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Episode Transcript

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Channel 3 is the future Welcome crew to What are your 3A

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Channel 3 podcast, which is a podcast that will be having fun
with its two hosts struggling with their voices and will sound
very weird. But that's not all weird.
We're here to talk with a memberof the Channel 3 community about
3 games that they're choosing. Go through some honourable
mentions, some other ads and ends, have a nice little video
game discussion. I'm Dan with me.

(00:49):
Still with me, right, Ray? Ray, you still there?
I am. I'm still.
Here. Ray's here, he's with me.
Cool. We're good.
It feels like it's been a while.It's been a while since we've
all been together. But tonight's guest, he running
with depends on the night, but runs with the Splatoon crew on
Channel 3 and runs runs with thewith all the card stuff going
on, it is in fact rad Dad rad. How you doing tonight?

(01:12):
I am doing good. It's been a eventful weekend
with back to Barksdale Air ForceBase.
To me being military, we just had a tournament yesterday, May
3rd on that and oh, it's been just a lot.
Just a hectic day I saw. I I saw the tournament run third

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place with Piranha Plant, prettyimpressive because I would, I
would argue and say that to playPiranha Plant you have to
basically play the opposite of how you play with Ness.
Why? Why did you do that?
He had a he had a bet for that one to try and win so.
I did had a bet. My boss told me, 'cause I

(01:52):
apparently in my unit I'm known to be very good at smash.
So they made a bet with me. They made a bet with me like
hey, play this play plant, whichI guess he Google said it was
the worst character in the game.If you can, if you could win,
I'll give you a day off. So I accepted that bet.
I tried, didn't got third overall.

(02:14):
Like I said, yeah, it's I'd. I'd say you have to literally do
everything the opposite of nest as nest floats around the
screen. Brought A plant wants to stay
tethered to the ground. As much as possible.
Oh, definitely. That's that had to be a whole
experience. Oh, it was rough, but I I mean,
I made it work. I got as far as I can get so.

(02:36):
All right, well, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna get back into
that. Then we're gonna start off.
We're gonna start off with the actual character I would have
thought you were gonna play. We're going to start off in the
world of Earthbound Mother 2. Whatever you want to, however
you want to address this. I'm going to.
Go ahead. Oh yeah.
I mean, I call it earthbound. That's pretty much how I call.

(02:57):
I know some people prefer it Mother 2, but for me I call it
Earthbound. I'm, I'm going to start off with
a simple and obvious question because I will, I will jokingly
give the preamble that this is aI, I jokingly make the mother
two comment because this is a sequel to a game that was
shelved. They, they had a localization
like partially cooked and said, Nah, we're not going to do it.

(03:19):
And we can, we can probably discuss that at some point
through the course of this. But rather than localize it and
go with mother for the first one, they just said, Nah, we're
just going to go with Earthboundhere and, and make it the the
second game. But it's really the first game.
So nobody asks why it's the second game and they and they
can't find the first one. But how did you end up playing
this game? Because this is not, you know,

(03:39):
in in the pantheon of Star Fox F0, Super Mario World.
Earthbound is a game. People are like, oh, I've heard
of that, but not a lot of peoplenecessarily know what it is.
So I have to ask, how did you wander into Earthbound?
So it is infamous known as the game with the big box it was.
It was be compared to all the other game.

(04:00):
It was include the strategy guide, the game itself, and I
think they had a few scratch andsniff cards.
So I think back then I think it was like, I think like 80 or
$90.00 compared to like what allgames used to be back then.
So I grew up with it because my dad, he was, he was a, he played

(04:21):
a little bit of games. He was the one who actually got
me into games Now he was big in the RPG games.
He did the Final Fantasy for PlayStation, Super Mario RPG and
then obviously Earthbound King. And that was one of the games
where it felt, how do I put it? It was a fun game.

(04:42):
Like that's it was, you know, distance from all the other
games like Dragon Quest, Like, you know, it was all the fantasy
magic swords, all that this one,it was just today's America with
bats. Yo, Yos, slingshots, guns.
Well, yeah, laser guns, and that's how I came to love of it

(05:06):
was a simple it The game was funny, silly, but in the end,
like midway to the end, that's when the game actually started
picking up its seriousness. Yeah, it was.
It was a game that wasn't popular either.
So was so your dad. So prior to Earthbound was your
dad into like you said, like theDragon Quest was the end of the
RPGs? He, I don't think he ever taken

(05:29):
quest, but I know he was big on the Final Fantasy.
Like the old school turn base. That's where I kind of got my
love for the RPG series was fromhim.
Yeah, I know you'd mentioned thePlayStation.
I know if he had run into a run into those beforehand or not.
So. So how old are you when you're
playing this one? Oh, I think I was 7 or 8.

(05:52):
I, I was, I was, I was young. And so we'll, we'll go with
that. Yeah, there's so there's, that's
the funny part. Like you got the humor of it.
Yeah. I mean like they're, they're
making fun of the, you know, youhave poke, poke a little fun at
the American, at the Western culture with a lot of things.
But you know, there's a lot of reading involved.
There's a lot of patience involved and not a lot of
seven-year olds can necessarily follow along with when you're

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dealing with turn based games too.
Well, like I said, I mean I was young.
I mean I didn't exactly read, but I mean there was a monster
like spoilers for 30 plus year old game.
There's an enemy that like everytime it talks it burps.
I mean, obviously I'm a kid. We all I'm going to laugh about
like, you know, a burping pile of barf after that what he was

(06:35):
called Master belt. Yeah, I was.
I was more thinking like, OK, when we get to the time travel,
the transference of the of theirtheir souls or personas to robot
bodies and all the things go. I didn't know if that lost you
at all at that point or not. That's what I was trying to
figure. Out No, it like said it was it

(06:55):
was it was it's a silly game. I I enjoyed it for when I was a
kid and then, you know, I came to appreciate like as I get
older. I mean, this is one of the games
that I can come back to and justplay on a whim.
Seeing it, you know, 'cause I was part of like the
starman.net, I saw the little website grew, I've seen I even

(07:16):
signed the petition for Mother Three.
I what wish for it that came to the Wii U of everything.
How many times have you played it on that note?
Oh, I usually play it. I usually try to play it like
once a year, just like, you know, just come back to it just

(07:36):
to play for funsies. I try to play a little bit on
the online 'cause I know God forbid there is mods or ROM hex
of the game which I'm actually waiting for the new one to come,
a new one to be released. All right, so I, so I have to
ask because you, you more on more than one occasion until I
got it done. You, you have requested some

(07:58):
very niche made some very niche requests for this game as far as
quests are concerned. For instance, the the King of
Dalam quest that you got me to get in there in the tagline of
can can you explain that to everybody?
Because I want everyone to understand the odds, the
statistics, and the specifics ofwhat is required for this

(08:19):
specific challenge you have put forth to to conquer in the game.
OK, so just like in the RPG games, there's always you know,
you got your very rare items, weapons that's only acquire from
enemies or just just have to look what's special about it.
This is it's known as the one out of 128 challenge.

(08:41):
A lot of enemies hold different items, but the infamous one, the
Sword of kings, it is known to be only founded 1 by 1 enemy.
That's only in one part of the stage where if you beat the boss
of that stage, it will never appear and the game does not
tell you nothing about it. The only way you would know if

(09:03):
you read the guide or you just get instantly lucky.
Yeah, or you had the one in 128 or whatever it is to to pop in
there. Yeah, and there was a moment, I
think I did one time, I think I was grinding out one area all
the way to I think I was like level 98 and usually the bare

(09:25):
minimum, like to beat the game. It's like maybe 6 level 60 or
65. So you need to have so.
So in order to get the complete set you have to have the the
sword, the bracer, the diadem and the the cloak and all this
assembled including the sword that has a 128 chance from one
enemy. Yep, one spot yes.

(09:45):
All the other items you can justfind around the world you well
find. Like from where you get poo to
the end is when you can find hisstuff.
But the sword you have to just get lucky or no?
So I just want everyone to understand my, my hesitance.
As Rad Dad continued, he continued to to request this
particular particular one. And and as he says this now, I'm

(10:06):
changing it to a gold. That's that's, that's changing
to a legendary. If somebody can make that one
happen, then I'm just waiting tosee if Torinopan or or Rad Dad's
the first one to do it. I actually have it, I'm just too
lazy to screenshot it and post it.
Well, you see, he sold me on it before because I've had it in
there for for months now and nobody has.

(10:28):
Nobody's doing. You listen, you make a request
for a special tagline like that.You got to get on that, man.
Don't, Don't get. In here you gotta get the guy,
grab and be the be the solo, be the solo with the tagline.
Yeah, I probably will. You know what?
I'll do that after the end of this recording session.
It's funny, I got a bunch of I got a bunch of games of quests
just bookmarked and almost all of them are go screenshot

(10:50):
something you did already so youcan go and just post it.
They have like 5 right now that I have.
Most of them switch stuff that Ihave to like, take pictures of
it and post up, but it just stares at me every day.
I can't wait till my DMS blow upon Wednesday after this drops
and people are making strange specific requests about obscure
things in the game that they want they may or may not do.

(11:16):
You got to find someone that haslike the one in a million, like,
hey, I'm the only one who's going to get this quest line or
this quest. And that's usually what I'm
going to say no to. That's something somebody's
like. I'm not giving you A tag line
just for yourself. There's enough people for this
one. I was like, you know, I'm kind
of intrigued to see this one. I'm going to, I'm going to see
this. Doris Spiegel, I'm talking to
you. I know you're listening to me
right now. I'm talking to you.

(11:36):
This is exactly where we we can't have that.
We can't have that, bud. Quick, dumb question for you.
What is the yo? We had a quest one time that
asked what's the most useless video game fact that you know
what? What is it for Earthbound 'cause
I think Earthbound was your answer.
The weirdest fact? Or useless.

(11:57):
I don't know really weird or useless.
Oh useless. I'm trying to think of a useless
fact in the game. There is there is an item in the
game where you have to pay someone like 50, I think 50 or
$100, which it's not much it andwhat it does in the game, it

(12:18):
just plays a useless melody. That's not the, IT just wastes
your turn. That would definitely qualify.
Mission accomplished. Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of
random stuff like you can use a toothbrush, a protractor, a
ruler. It does.
It essentially just wastes a turn.
So you mentioned, you know, you,you've gotten yourself early on

(12:38):
in this one. This was an early, an early
Internet, late 90s, not earliestdays of the Internet, but, but
certainly as the Internet was starting to catch on, this was a
lot of chat rooms, a lot of people trying to track down the
fabled localization of, of Earthbound Beginnings, AKA
Mother. And eventually, I think it was

(12:59):
1998 where copies finally started circulate because you
couldn't just, you know, by the time the 2000s come along, you
just emulated an NES or Super Nintendo game on your computer
and called it even. But that wasn't even really an
option with the computers you'redealing with at the end of the
90s. When, when did you go back and
play the first one? And I like you, not that there's

(13:20):
certain lawyers or police listening or anything, but I
believe you have a copy of some sort of version of Mother Three.
I think you've played, right? Like you've done everything at
this point, right? Yes, I do or did obtain a copy
of English version of Mother three.
I'll let the Nintendo please come after me.

(13:40):
And so I so yes, you are right. It was so Mother A or AKA
Earthbound 0 AKA Earthbound beginning that there's different
versions of it. So yes, you're right, it was
never released to America. It there was a prototype which I

(14:01):
guess if I remember it got auction on eBay.
Someone grabbed it, upload all the schematics to the Internet,
polished it up a little bit, andthen released it out into the
wild. So for context for everybody, so
you know, we talked about thingswhere like names have changed
and all sorts of stuff has changed between the Japanese

(14:22):
release and the American release.
This one I I believe the list ofthe list of requirements for
Nintendo of America that this violated included blood body
will say I will say anatomical parts, cigarettes, alcohol,
religious symbols and notably peanuts esque NP CS non playable

(14:44):
characters that Nintendo of America wanted removed from the
course of this like this game literally changed like they they
spent a lot of money on it. They shelved it anyway.
This changed the way that Nintendo went about producing
their games. So that way they got Nintendo of
America involved more early, so they weren't spending a bunch of
money like you can see before and after shots of Mother and

(15:06):
then Earthbound Beginnings or whatever you want to call it,
where like they've changed various things that have
occurred in it. So yeah, you got to, you got to
see the change of history with this debacle of the game.
Oh yeah, like I said, seeing thedifferent like seeing like the
Japanese version and then seeingAmerica just seeing like because
you know, I was young, I didn't understand all the copyright

(15:27):
stuff. Like you know, you can't have
the Red Cross, the music copyrights that's in the game.
Like I think one of the most famous songs was actually they
say it was a direct reference toChuck musician Chuck Berry or
Chuck Berry. I think, I don't remember which
one there. There's like a lot of even the

(15:49):
infamous like the yellow, The Beatles yellow submarine, cause
in the game there is legit a yellow submarine and even at NPC
even tells you what was the nameof The Beatles song.
It was like yesterday. But it's, it's crazy to see like
all the copyright how they managed, you know, all these
years 'cause that's the reason why Earthbound never really did
good 'cause you know, it was like copyright back then.

(16:12):
It was you know not it was small.
Now, because technologies grow in industries, all that they
they gotta be more careful of what they publish.
Itohi was one for dropping Easter eggs in the game and
specifically calling out the gamer as well, telling them to
keep quiet about it. Any did you happen to find your

(16:34):
way into any of those? Oh like you mean like the Easter
eggs in it or something like that?
Yeah, yeah, Like I, you know, there's like the I'll just say
the desert. Mine were just step on one
specific block and it comes up and tells you like you found
this Easter egg and this is thisis a toy and don't tell anybody

(16:55):
about this. You can just do stuff like that
peppered throughout or or has Torinopan referenced before
that? Like you can find the dog who
tells you to write the letter toToy.
Oh, oh, yes, I remember. Yeah, I think I seen, I seen
that. I think those, I think the dog
appears like later in the game or like very at the very end of
the game, I think. But it's a, like I said, there's

(17:18):
a lot of good Easter eggs in thegame if you got it, if you got
to hunt for a little bit. Well again, if you can find it,
you can just do like Tory date and and make a Nintendo intern
have to respond to you in 2019 and beyond.
They're still responding to those letters today, for better
or for worse. Oh, I I believe it.
Any other any other thoughts on Earthbound about like what's

(17:40):
captured you for all these yearsand what's made this such a such
a fun series? It is a weird, wild, it's own
little corner of Nintendo world.I would say like if you were a
big fan of RPGSI try to tell a lot of people give it a try.
The beginning is usually rough until you have your second
teammate and then it kind of gets, it gets a little smoother.

(18:03):
But it's it's definitely like ifI change the pace from like the
fantasy to a more modern, I wantto say Persona ish.
But it's definitely a good pace if you like the more text based
reading. Yeah, you're not dealing with
random encounters either, which I know some is a hang up for a
lot of people. For those 90s RPGs, you see the

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enemies and can approach them and bypass them as you see fit.
So you don't have to like try and run to a town and not die
'cause you're out of supplies. It's it's a little easier in
that regard. Oh definitely, I didn't think.
I think if I recall it was one of the first few games that
actually did the overworld Sprite encounter.
I think if I recall, and I know a lot of people love that.

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I'm surprised not many RPGs do something like that to where you
can do like the instant win. Like if you have 100% chance of
winning the game, just like Yep you win.
You're out. I'm out Yep.
On on to your second game, The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask, a
game that I will say Link had a pattern.
Part 1, you know, kind of gearing up and you're doing this

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and then Part 2 is like going toThe Dark World or the future.
You had a couple games in a row here.
We're like, okay, that's the pattern.
And I said, Nope, we're done. No pattern here.
It's going to be wild. You're living the same three
days over and over again in a very full in a very full world.
So that's the second game you picked?
It's it is indeed. I mean, I will, it was a tough

(19:30):
one because I was like, OK, whatdo I want to do?
Which Zelda game did I want to pull out?
I know, I know a lot of people say our creative time, our
creative time. I'm like, I love our creative
time. I won't, not saying it's bad,
but I feel Majora's Mask is a little, it's a little, it's a,
it's a step up for me do of 'cause I feel 'cause I'm looking

(19:54):
like at the overall like like most of the stuff, like I
awkward time. It feels a lot a little bland in
some areas. Like like outside of a Kakarico
village, Hyrule Castle was busy,but outside of like Hyrule
Castle, there wasn't really muchgoing on.
Then you look at Majora's Mask, where there was a lot more like

(20:15):
there's a lot more like stuff was going on.
I will say like the only disadvantage or the only thing I
don't like about Matura's Mask is, and I know a lot of people
will say this is there's only four main dungeons versus Aukria
time. I think 3, about eight, I think
8 or 9 dungeons you said. Like 7 in the second part or and

(20:36):
like 3 in the first, Whatever. There's a lot more than just
eight, I thought. Yeah, like, so, I mean, there's
a there's a little bunch of minidungeons in Matura's Mask, but
like for as the main ones, like that was the only downside for
me was just the four big dungeons, Yeah.
But you needed to do all the side quests in this game to be
powered up enough to be able to take on the game.

(21:00):
Yes. I mean, if you want to do like
the 100% full mask and get everything, yeah.
I mean, that's the only thing that kind of disappointed the
work. Oh yeah, I know.
I think this is one of the firstfew games that I actually 100%
everything. Got all the hearts, all the
masks, everything. Yeah.
And like, The thing is, you haveto time out where like this one

(21:22):
guy is running through higher or, you know, whatever.
What is it? Terminus.
Terminus. Yeah, terminus field.
Yeah, so you got to time out where this guy is based on the
three day cycle. Get him at a specific time, a
specific place. If you blow it, you got to start
over again. I think I know obscure.
Things like that throughout too.It's funny like that.

(21:44):
Oh, yeah, but like I said, I mean, but I mean, if you look at
like argument times, Hyrule feels OK.
I mean, it's just a big open world.
Like nothing really happens unless like, you know, you're
doing the PO hunting versus, youknow, more George Mass terminal.
Like, you know, you got to find the one guy that said I think
from like midnight, the two that's dancing on one of the

(22:04):
mushroom rocks. Or it was like there was more
overruled enemies like the, whatare they called the QQS?
Yeah, or like there. Are more of those things
running? Around or like the, I think what
the blue bubbles like there was more, there was more going on in
Termina in the Majora's Mask overworld versus the Ocarina
Time overworld. Was there a favorite mask or

(22:26):
power that stuck out to you? Oh.
The the well for me, the Bunny hood and the Thoris mask, those
were the only those were the twogood ones.
You just wanted the speed of theswimming.
Because the swimming was definitely a new, it's like it
brings like a new dimension, especially when like think the

(22:46):
third, no, third, yeah, third area was like 99% was pretty
much incorporate the water mechanics.
What was the biggest frustrationfor this game?
For me, I think it was like trying to over get adjusted to
the three day cycle because I will admit I was never good at

(23:07):
time management games. That's why you'll never see me
play like pick men or like a real time strategy watch.
Your you watch your mouth right now.
You don't. You pick man's name out of your
mouth. That's all I'm.
Going not saying it's a bad game, I just said I just have
bad management time. Watch your tone.
It's. Amazing the amount of love you
have for a game that you did notplay until like like two years

(23:29):
ago. I love it.
I love it. And you're right, I didn't play
it until like two or three yearsago.
I played the third one first. What do you want from me?
And I, I send my apologies to Miyamoto every time I think
about it. Then I, I, I laughed at it for
20 years. I thought this is dumb looking.
Did you play anywhere you got you got that one two bundle
right when they. Did not.

(23:50):
I did. Not until that package was
released. No, that's not what we're here
about. We're here for a contained
project and experiment that a one of the broken off Zelda
teams had to put together using assets from Ocarina of Time and
decided that we're just going tomake 3 days over and over and
over again. Is there anything that sticks
out for you for this one? Like any particular memories or

(24:11):
any particular like one of the weird weirdnesses, boss fights,
anything like that. Oh, the weirdness.
There's a lot of weirdness in this.
One, yeah, there's, there's I will admit that, you know, when
I was younger, I always feared, oh, what are they called?
The reededs, the the mummy look,the Gibdos, the yeah, the

(24:33):
zombies, the mum. I mean, I was a kid, I I would
mash, I would try to purposely avoid as much as I can.
Unfortunately, there was that one segment where you actually
are forced to talk to them to dothe true little trading game and
the what was it? The Icona that that just the
Icona area was just it was it that's what it was.

(24:58):
It was very interesting because they don't really explain much
of the lore of like, you know, the war, the blood war, like a
bunch of like the different tribes fighting with each other.
It was like that era was just emphasis on death.
And I think it was like the music house, like you had to go

(25:18):
in there and you see the the father, like all wrapped in
mummy, just bars busting out thecloset, like just going after
you. It's like, OK, what do you do?
It's like that whole area was just just spooky for me.
Switch to our game 3 is we, I mean, this is, I feel like this

(25:40):
is such a jump, but but the goodit's you know, it's a weird
game, the Team Fortress 2 and I say weird in a good way, 'cause
I love Team Fortress 2. This game was so early with
everything it's I feel like it was so ahead of what games do
now that everyone played it likeit it it didn't just hold on to

(26:02):
one group of gamers. It felt like everyone at some
point at least experienced team fortress 2.
How'd you how'd you end up playing this one?
Also, they played on any computer regardless of specs.
It worked. So how'd you get into this?
Oh so. I want to say I and I I'm going
to shock a lot of people. I only play this when it became

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free to play and I have unfortunately have the badge to
prove of my free to play status.Unfortunately, I put way too
much money into this game to where people would think I
actually paid at the beginning. So I think I want to yeah 'cause
I want to say this was the second PC game I played.

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My first one was Halo Combat Evolve.
I found that 20 bucks out of Best Buy, but outside of.
But besides that, this was the second and probably one of the
first few first person shooter games I played that I enjoy.
Like I put like this is the gamewhere I put the most amount of
hours in. I think clearly over 1000 hours.

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I think I even put that on my quest.
I was, I was gonna say that where how did this like did you
play a lot of FPS games or was this like somewhat of an
introduction to it? It's a, It's a like, it's a
different kind of introduction. I say it was more of an
introduction. I mean I had a blink, I think
back then I had APS 3. So I was like in the Call of

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Duty war, that war. I played a little bit of that
black Modern Warfare 2, but obviously I was never being into
like the all the war games. And I think I saw this for
finally, if it came free to play, I was like, OK, I'll give
it a try. I mean, I had a little rinky
dinky Dell laptop. I played, I played a little bit

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of that and I was like, I instantly got into it.
Then over the years I joined themilitary.
I went to my like a like a tech school, kind of like a little
school for military. And funny enough, I was in went
to like a little hangout area and sure enough, I looked over

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as I heard, you know, some Team Fortress 2 gameplay here.
And I've looked over. I was like, hey, what are y'all
doing? And then somehow I met a group
of good group of military friends and it's like we were
friends for like maybe like friends for like 3-4, five
years. And we like play this game by
almost every other day. We gamble on like someday the

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boxes and I unfortunately spend way too much money on this game.
I. Was going to say this was that's
when I say early, this is early of a lot of things.
This was wild, Wild West, you know, pay, pay for loot box and
and and and quote UN quote. Don't gamble.
Just hope that you paid and something good comes out of that

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comes out of the bot. There was there was no rules
when this stuff was out. Oh yeah, no, you can just spend
like a hundred 200 bucks on likethe the keys to unlock
everything or to get to get lucky on what the equivalent was
like just fancy little hats. Yeah.
So what was the what? What was your go to class when
you were playing? So I was a soldier, mane.

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I was a pretty much the offense class with the with rocket
launcher splash damage because I've I was always a character
person that liked I just like splash damage as long as I can
make land my shots or I don't have to have near perfect
accuracy. As long as I can land somewhere
around you, I get the kills. Now, so that means no.

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So no laser rockets, right? We're going just something
that's about one of the exploding ones.
Yeah, I'm just simply I think, yeah, but I think soldiers like
abilities or his weapons are pretty much just all rocket
launchers. Some has like 3 rounds, some has
four rounds, but they pretty much all do the same amount of

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damage minus if you want healingor not.
So what, you have this as an unwritten rule?
You said that this was a game, that there's unwritten rules
that need to be followed. Do you remember what you wrote
for that? Oh, unwritten rules.
Well, there's a bunch of huntingrules.
Usually the best rule is you always let the melee fighter

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pull out a melee weapon. You have to honor the melee
weapon. You see, you know the what we
call the friendly heavy? You know, he always crouched.
He's always crouched down with his with his fists out.
He throws a sandwich at you. You have to honor him.
You just let him go. See, those I, I must have had, I
must have had a different experience with this game 'cause

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I played it when I was, I think it kind of like starting college
on some rinky dink laptop and itworked totally fine.
I, I have memories of this be the least amount of honor in any
game possible. And I think part of it was the
wacky sound effects. And I would just, you know, just
do whatever you feel like and just jump in and blow things up.

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I don't recall heavies going at it and everyone allowing it to
happen. Oh, yeah, like I said, it's, I
think that's why I like it because it's like there's no, no
one really. It's not like, you know, like
Overwatch, I don't know that like, you know, there you have
to have an exact team comp of like, you know, whatever the

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meta is now these days. This one is like it's literally
like 1212 versus 12 and there's no team cop.
You can just play like a team of10 snipers If you just want to
go at it, Just have fun. There was it wasn't serious.
People just be silly. You know, and it's and it's one
of those things too. It's a game where it getting

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kills alone didn't feel like thebe all end all like you could.
You actually had classes and youcan actually had some sort of
role in and feel like you were contributing to what was
happening in the game. Oh yeah, definitely.
I mean, you could like, there's not like there's no worse
character. Everyone, you know, everyone had
their roles. You you could just be like an

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engineer that just builds a turret.
You can just stay in that one spot.
Just sit there and hit your wrench all day as long as in
your turret would do all the work for you.
I, I, I did in fact sit and hit my wrench all day.
That was I, I, I thoroughly enjoyed doing that.
You ever turned this? You ever turned this game on?
They updated it recently after after decades.

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So I do keep up with the updateshere and there.
I did unfortunately stop when the big the bot rampage where it
was pretty much like it was the worst thing 'cause it was like a
snipe cause the sniper in the game, it can pretty much do an
instant headshot to do 150. And that was enough to at least

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one shot I think 4 of the 9 mercenaries.
And then you if you have just have like two or three and it's
like pretty much just instantly just deletes you.
So I heard they got they fixed that they got removed them.
So I've been mean to try to get back into it again.

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All right, so we move on to the honorable mentions now couple
extra games and the first one Super Smash Brothers Brawl.
Let me tell you, I don't I don'tknow if we've had somebody

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choose this one in particular, but it's definitely that this is
like my nostalgia game when it comes to the smash brothers, but
I I love this one. So you you tell us why.
Why is Smash Brothers Brawl? Oh, OK, so let's so I can
remember. I remember perfectly, perfectly.

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It was like, you know, when the first game came out, like run
the well, let's go with the backto the the trailers.
You know, we, you know, we saw them.
We know Melee. Melee was starting to slow down
the game. The GameCube era were starting
to worship the Wii era. And you know, we see the E3
trailer of Smash Bros brawl. You know, we see all the go from

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the GameCube graphics to the Wiigraphics.
We know we saw Twilight Princesslink.
You just see you just see all the fanciness and then, you
know, we sudden see, you know, pit zero suit Sam is Wario, who
was who was I know there was onemore surprise character.

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And then, you know, at the end you had, you know, you saw the
Metal Gear Solid intercom and you know, people went, you know,
ballistic nuts, you know, oh, a Nintendo or at a third party
character finally entering the Nintendo's world like that.
I didn't know what Mino Gear sawit was until Snake came.

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And so it was like, and you know, I think a few would think
a few months later, you know, bam Sonic, you saw the Sonic
trailer and you know, everyone went nuts.
You know, the whole Mario versusSonic debate, everyone went
nuts. I think I've watched that
trailer like 5-6 times just to listen to live and learn.

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And you know, so think February,you know, when the tournament or
you know, when the game officially came out, I remember
I was shivering my butt off in Georgia.
Me, you know, me and my, my dad took me to the, to our local
GameStop and fighting up there was a, there was a little smash
tournament, like a day pre like day zero smash tournament.

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And I was like, OK, I'm gonna enter it.
And I didn't win 'cause I lost 2Yoshi's final Smash, which that
was mad if I played Link. And so it was, but you know, but
passing overtime, like I said, it was compared to like Smash 4
Ultimate Melee in 64. It had a lot more we I'm trying

(36:55):
to think of the right word content.
Like, you know, I, I mean, I could say easily the subspace
emissary, you know, the whole, you know, fully animated
cutscenes. That's an actual story that
actually revolve around like other Nintendo worlds, kind of
colliding original an original boss.

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Like how like it showed like howlike, you know, every Smash
character kind of interacts witheach other in their own unique
way. So what I want to know 'cause
every everything. Let me tell you, Smash Brother
commercials are some of the bestcommercials ever made and I
thought that one the E3 is the one that I I think about all the

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time when they when they switched when I show that
upgraded graphics. Also, the Mario's clothing is
actually made of like material. You can see the stitching on it.
Like you said, the link the Kirby's hilarious because they
switch Kirby, but Kirby's exactly the same.
Like there's there's no way to add detail to Kirby, but they
still give them the the the little motion that was just

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funny. Just gotta make a rounder they.
Make a rounder. They they they do the thing and
and I get everyone pretends thatit changed, but it didn't that
all Kirby Kirbys look the same forever.
It's just pink. It's just a pink circle for
those commercials. You're right.
The like the surprise was the snake is huge.
But what I want to know is how how many times did you trip?

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Oh man, how many times have I tripped?
I've you know what? I think there's a stat in the
game that tells you how many times you have tripped.
I don't. I have tripped so many times in
that game. But like I said, but out of
Smash, but out of Old Smash Brothers, Smash Brothers Brawl
always will be close to my heart'cause that's also, believe it

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or not, that's how I first knownLucas.
And, you know, that's how I kindof delved into like them more of
the like, I didn't know 'cause no one didn't know there was a
mother, Mother 3A mother one. They just knew.
Earthbound. You bring a person old that's
unknown in America into a game and all.

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That's where I kind of digged into, you know, the, the Mother
series. And that's how I came to enjoy
playing. Unfortunately, the PK kids in
all the future titles. Did you ever play any of the
modded versions of this game? I have indeed.
I actually played the the PM version.

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I actually went to a a little local tournament.
I played it, I did. I wasn't good at it, but I mean,
I was like one of the few like Ithink I was like the only nest
player there. I was like, OK, hey, I know how
to do a little a little bit of the funniness.
And so this was the game. So is this where the nests

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started? Were you, did you ever, were you
playing nests in you in the first two games at all?
Or is this where it kind of justwhere you finally like decide to
do it? I mean, I, I played him in like
the first two. I played him in the 1st 2
iterations. I mean, I think I, I was like, I
think I bounced between nests and why?
I think I bounced like with linkin both of those, but like I

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think brawl was actually the first game or first one.
I actually went to a a local a tournament at a anime
convention. You know, I saw, you know, went
to an anime convention. I saw like, oh, hey, they have
smash brothers. I jumped in and I played it.
Obviously I didn't, I didn't understand the meta, the tier
lift. I just played for just for funs

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and giggles. But yes, I would say Brawl was
the game that kind of sparked like, hey, you're gonna be a
Nesme, people are gonna hate you, people are gonna love the
PK fires, but they're gonna haveto learn to enjoy it.
I have I have one more question,but I'm gonna I have to save it
for the next game because it's just it's it's one entire

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question. So we're gonna I'm gonna jump to
the next game Mario Mario Kart Wii.
We got back-to-back Wii games here.
Just, you know, the resurgence of Nintendo for I mean, I I say
resurgence as if I didn't love the game.
Q and playing games on it. But you know, financially the
resurgent with the Wii is Mario Kart Wii.
Is this where all the inward Drifters were born?

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Is that is that why is that whatit is?
Is if you if you inward drift, you automatically choose Mario
Kart Wii as your game? I don't.
I don't know about that rumor, but yes, that's for a lot of.
Or at least that's where I came from with the infamous inward
drift drifting bikes 'cause unfortunately I was part of a

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Mario Kart Wii clan. Like we, it was essentially like
how we, I think what, what I think what y'all do like y'all
just pretty much like race like other teams.
We know we kind of scored. It was like a Mario Kart Wii
forums. We know we coordinate with the
teams and we just do like a goodI think like 6V6 racing and it

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was like pretty much accumulate whoever got the most points win.
Unfortunate the meta for the game was heavily dominated by
bikes because they had the ability to to do wheelies which
gave them a faster speed. Oh, go ahead.
I was going to say you're also, you know, this was you got into

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competitive racing pretty quickly with the marker.
We talk. Let let's talk about the let's
talk about the online Wii servers.
'Cause we. You know, we, we struggled with
the Switch servers, but the, theNintendo Wii was, I mean it, it
was fighting for dear life with even with, with Smash Brothers
too. I played that a bit online.
Smash Brothers online was tough.How was how was Mario Kart Wii?

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I'm trying to think I mean it. It has its silliness.
It's like you can see a green show pass you like completely
faced to your body and it'll still register as its I think
you still have to like predict where they're going just a
little bit to get the good hits.The bumping was oh, the bumping
was unreal in that game 'cause like the filthy.

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Cheaters everywhere. Oh, I mean, between that there
was a lot of exploits that you could do in the game.
Like you can cheese oh so many tracks.
Like you can grumble Volcano waslike one of the worst tracks in
the game because you can as soonas you put, as soon as the race
starts, you can go left jump on a like like goal, like on a

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little mountain path. And if you do circles around it,
it consider it like a, a full lap in the game.
So like a like a 45 second full lap.
It's like 2, it's like 5 secondsright there and you have like
everybody like trying to do it all at once.
So you got like everyone bumpingeach other just off the bat.

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Do you ever you ever did you, did you practice this?
Was this did you do time trials to practice this game or was it
just just race in a bunch and getting better like that?
You just I mean I've now I'm gonna I'm gonna probably gonna
anger a few people. I don't I never never tried do
time trialling much because timetrialling would just by yourself

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with three mushrooms is different versus 11 other people
trying to target you, random items thrown everywhere.
So it's like you can't really it's it's a, it's a different
field of view mindset when like you're trying to do time
traverses, trying to just race for first or how some people
like to be sandbag. Did you now were you, did you

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give tilt controls a chance at all or was it just plug in a
GameCube controller? Let's let's get going.
Just well, I think I did GameCube and I also did the Wii
Remote nunchuck. I, I think I did a little bit of
those 'cause like I said, 'causeyou cause like for the to do the
wheelies for the Wii Remote, youhave to flick your Wii Remote up
or like on the GameCube, the press up on the D pad, which

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like I said, the bikes were superior in every way.
And when you have the best character in a game on a bike,
it was nearly unbeatable. So what character were you going
with and what which? Which inward bike do you
remember? Oh, it was always the flame.
The flame rider was 'cause therewas only, I want to say each

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character had about two. Well, there was only three
weight classes, light, medium, heavy and well, you count for
like the hidden stats of the characters.
Usually the Flame Rider was the best for the medium weight or
for the heavyweights. I think for me, I did, I mean, I
of course she joined the the Funky Kong clan and I did a

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little bit of the Rosa and a little bit of the Heavy me.
And give us give us the best course and the worst course.
Oh, the best course. Oh, Coconut Mall, you wouldn't.
I will never say no to Coconut Mall.
The worst track I want to say the GameCube D came out in.

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Were were OK One more on that. Were you happy or upset when
they updated the switch Coconut Mall to make sure that the the
shy guy cars moves back and forth?
Oh, I was angry. That was the thing that they
when they first, when they firstbrought it out, they, they left
the cars not moving and I think everyone freaked out and they

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switched it to have them move back and forth.
Well, in in the Wii version, they just go back and forth.
That was and they, I think funnyenough, I think it was driven by
like Meese. And yeah, obviously the new one,
they just do a little turnabout with a shy guy on it.
So yes, it was a little downgrade.
But overall, like I said, I I will never say no to some

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Coconut Mall. All right.
Well, on to your final honorablemention in Final Fantasy 9.
And I have to ask you, why this one of all of Final Fantasy?
So I think this like I'm going to go kind of like how I was
with Earth Battle. Like I said, this was one of my
this is also one of the first Final Fantasy games I played and

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beat on my own. So yeah, I'll be on that.
This is also one of my kind of like how I think I first saw
with my dad playing it. I mean he played I was like my
dad was a Final Fantasy. He played 786IN tactics and then
9th just somehow was the one that I I connected to.

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The best whiff in my opinion. You're going from like dark to
darker to like. This one's light and whimsical
compared to 7:00 and 8:00. It's a lot.
Oh, like I know 7's a lot. Like, you know, the whole, you
know, the futuristic of Midgar. I'm still working on Ace.

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I don't know too much, but I know it's a lot.
Kind of like the same thing, youknow, it's like all the
technology stuff. So it's just like.
Like aesthetically darker, like it's just like a lot of Browns
and Grays and aiders, like aiders remember being like, like
from a palette perspective, it'sjust so much darker and they

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found their colors. For nine yeah, the night like so
9 had a lot of good like a lot of the vibrant colors I got.
Well, usually the beginning like, you know, it's all darker
because I mean spoilers for for another spoiler for another 30
year old gang, you know, like you know, it's like the whole
the mist was covering the continent, so it's a little
darker Once you progress like part of the story, you know,

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everything starts lighting up. Got better.
But I say, but this is the one like it kind of broke a lot of
like the other rules of like theFinal Fantasy, because I this is
just my opinion. Like he's like all the main
protagonists was a was a sword, like a like a warrior knight
sword, like wherever you want tobe called soldier.

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And that's and then like, you know, he went to nine.
Hey, it's a thief. That's like, OK, that's actually
interesting. You know, he's not no OP
warrior, nothing gifted. Nah, he was just a thief, which
later in the game to figure out who he who he truly was, how he
was able to manipulate some trait like I guess the in game

(49:38):
forms. But yeah, it was a it was
definitely interesting to take. He wasn't like no silent.
I'm going to be always Moby maincharacter now.
This was like a fun, fun, flirtyfun flirty guy.
There was whimsy to this game. There was.
There was. Yeah.

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So so me like it it. It had a charm.
It was silly. It wasn't the charm yes, it I
mean it it mean it it was a silly game like you said, I mean
even began the game. Hey, it's you go to a play you,
you you got your your like your little black mage VV, which you
know, thank. You for getting, thank you.

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For getting to VV. Thank you.
Oh yeah, you know the best, the best Black mage in in all the
series would final. Fantasy 16 Shove Final Fantasy 9
in a locker. Oh, probably.
Oh. Probably not.
I'm going to go with that. Would just mope in that?

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Would 16 just mope in the corner?
Is that never mind? I'm sorry.
Let's bring the. Whimsy back Square bring the
whimsy back. Oh yeah, like I said, I mean,
just a little bit of silliness in the game is always it's
always nice to have especially like in the even in Final
Fantasy 9, you have like the what I forgot what they called

(51:03):
it in the game. But like, you know, you certain
progress you can go like you cansee a cutscene of like other
characters. That's always something silly or
you know, you get to the more dig into their character.
Charm and Whimsy's OK Square Charm and whimsy.
Oh definitely, even though I have yet not to beat the Super

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boss yet. All right, let's move to the
future. One game you are looking forward
to, Mario Party Jamboree. A lot of people are looking
forward to this one, myself included.
Are you you a big Mario Party fan in general or is it just
something about this one? I played a lot of I played a few
of the Mario Parties, like I said, I mean back when I was

(51:45):
before I lived on my own, like with my family, Like I said, we
play like Mario Party like maybelike once a week.
And you know, we I think I forgot which one we played.
It was the Wii 1. So I think that was eight or
nine. And like I said, it was it was
one of those games I can always come back to to play.

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I haven't played any of the newer ones with the online.
I should. I don't.
I think some of the dads played online as well.
We we've played a little bit, but this one, this one's gonna
be different. Oh yeah, that's and that's what
I'm saying. I, I know this is probably and
like I said, I have my wife and my, my 6 year old son.
Maybe I can always definitely try to play with them.

(52:30):
See, see See Who is the better Mario Party player?
Here we're gonna have lots of characters, lots of a bunch of
different modes. Watch the watch the video of
like of, of gameplay. It was, it was in Spanish for
whatever reason, they had somewhere, I think like South
America, they they had, they got, they got like gameplay

(52:50):
footage and and they were showing all the different, all
of the so many versions. Some of them looked like you
were playing as a team against the computer, some against each
other. It seems like there's a lot
going on in this game. Yeah, I would say like, I mean,
I think the previous Mario Partywas like Mario Party Superstars
one, the one that kind of brought like the older courses.

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I think. I mean, I, I would be one of
the, I'll probably be like one of the many people that said
like if that game just had DLCS or just expanded on it more, I
think it would they it would been good.
But I mean, but if the Mario Party Champrey's gonna, you
know, bring something new, as long as it keeps it, you know,
traditional Mario Party, no little car going together as

(53:35):
one. Because I think that was the
one, that was the one Mario Party I did not like.
On that note, we had to a quest the question from the Channel 3
history books and we pick for you to discuss here with us
today. We're going to tell you that one
of these franchises has to go The Legend of Zelda, Donkey
Kong, Kirby, or Metroid. Who's got to go and why?

(53:58):
Oh, I think I said Donkey Kong. You did.
Which I'm going to, I'm going toI invoke so Ray could get smug
here, but go on. OK, so obviously I, I was a big,
I mean, I'm a big Zelda fan, so I'm obviously that's out of the
picture. Kirby I, I, it was harder when I

(54:21):
made my top three. I was almost tempting to put
Kirby Superstar Ultra. Amazing, absolutely amazing
game. Yes.
So it was a big toss up between Donkey Kong and Metroid.
I did play more of the Metroid games, Metro Fusion, I actually
have the collection of the Metroid Prime Trilogy

(54:43):
collection. But Donkey Kong I was like, I
didn't. I don't think I ever truly be in
a Donkey Kong game outside of like the Mario VS Don Kong on
the Game Boy. I'm almost finished with Mario
VS Donkey Kong on the Switch. Very slowly playing with my son.

(55:04):
I think we're we're going to start world 8 because we just
beat 7 today. Yeah, I think I saw the I saw
the game playoffs like, oh, look, that actually looks
similar to the one on the Game Boy, so I may have to give that
one a try. It's it is very OK.
It is a it is a game. It is a game of the year.

(55:25):
It's a Game Boy Advance game that's been brought into the
with minimal changes 20 years inthe future it.
Is in fact one of the games. Yeah, but unfortunately, like I
said, not not gonna throw no hate to dunk Kong, but
unfortunately the monkeys got togo.
This is. This is this is as clear, as
clear as it comes, as far as I'mconcerned, a wonderful

(55:48):
character. It's a wonderful series.
There's nothing wrong with it. Oh yeah, there's no flaws.
It's just just. Think the other three are
better? All right, What's been your
favorite feature on Channel 3 Red Dead?
Oh, the feature. I always love the maps.
Well, that and Joel finally fixing the landscape mode so I

(56:09):
don't have to have my phone automatically viewed in
landscape when I'm trying to watch look at Channel 3 from the
side. But definitely the maps.
Cool, that's a big update. A lot, a lot of people were very
happy with the. When the apps.
Yeah, recent update when the appstopped turning sideways, that
was that was huge. Yeah, I've been trying to.
I've been thinking of throwing some maps around for my set for

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the donut. I just have to not be lazy and
actually do it. We'll take them.
We'll take as many different maps.
I've got a couple maps I have todo, but we'll we'll take them.
I'm I may throw an earthbound map or two since there's already
overworlds in the game, so maybeI can try to sneak one in.
And on that note, we've made it to the end of another.

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