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vongein joined C3 recently after the Pittsburgh Gaming Expo in October of 2025 and hit the ground running sharing their gaming history. They join the show today to talk three of their favorites in Super Metroid, Pokemon Red, and Red Dead Redemption. Stick around for three very unique honorable mentions as well.

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Episode Transcript

(00:09):
Channel 3 is the future. Welcome crew to one of your 3A

(00:30):
Channel 3 podcast where we take a member of the Channel 3
community, discuss three games of their choosing, go through
some honorable mentions and someother odds and ends for a nice
little video game discussion. I'm Dan with me as always, Ray.
What's going on, people? It's Dan, it's earlier it's
earlier today. I don't, I don't, I don't know
what I'm going to do with all, with all the extra time I'm

(00:50):
going to have tonight after this.
But our guest tonight, Mr. Von Gehen himself, AKA Batman AKA
Batman Von Gehen, AKA Batman AKAday one Pokémon fan, AKA
Metalhead nerd, AKA #1 Hypno fan.
We're going to get into all of it.
Von Gehen, how you doing tonight?

(01:11):
Good man, how you doing? I'm good.
I'm excited to talk about some video games here before we jump
into video games. So I need to ask about this
'cause I was I was looking through it and I was trying to
I'm trying to understand. I want to know what this all
about What's what's this cryptedcamp about?
I saw your. So it's a new TCG?

(01:33):
Yeah. So it's a a new TCG that is done
by some of the artists that did Metazoo and I met them at
Squonkapalooza and I'm a counselor so I'm like to promote
the channel, promote the card game and you know, have fun.
It's fun. If you like Krypton's, like
Bigfoot and stuff, it's really cool.
Yeah, so I was looking, I was looking through it and just
seeing kind of like all the all the messaging about it or like

(01:54):
we're not going to have any AI do this.
This is all like kind of independent artists putting
together these things. It just seems like really it
just looked really cool. So I wanted to ask Bud and give
you a little bit just a chat about.
Yeah, if you're into like PC GS,this game, I haven't even
learned how to play it. It's weird.
It's completely different to Pokémon, Magic, Yu-gi-oh, all

(02:15):
that. So you're looking for something
different. But they have a lot of cool
chase cards. I've pulled a 40 out of 50 card
and I've pulled a something out of 100 card.
So there's a lot of stuff for collectors that get to.
We're sending Cerro Mike in. He's gonna, he's gonna our our
card game experts coming in to evaluate.
That's what we'll have to have. We'll get a report out from him.

(02:40):
All right, well, I'll tell you what, it's game time.
Let's talk. Let's talk your three.
You start off with game one, Super, Super Metroid.
I I have to question, first of all, probably the best of the
Metroids. Is that is that fair or is this
a different thought? No, definitely best.
It's my favorite game of all time, probably.
Nice, That's a great place for us to start.

(03:01):
So how so? So you and I are I'm, I'm
slightly older than you were chatting before the show, so
you're you're not far off from me.
So where did how did Super Metroid find its way into your
life? So I was never a Zelda kid.
I was playing Metroid. I was horrible at it.
It's a really hard game. So when I got my Super Nintendo,
you know, I picked up Super Metroid and I just fell in love

(03:22):
with the graphics, gameplay, youknow, seeing Ridley and and like
Craig just, Oh my God, Craig, when he pops out, it's amazing.
So it was just a complete upgrade from the original game
and I loved it. My, my son was going through he,
he skipped the original Metroid and played the 0 mission remake

(03:43):
for the advance and they used the upgraded Craig Ridley
designs. So like I'm sitting or watching
and he's asking and I'm like this, some of this stuff's
different than the original Metroid.
The he's asking me stuff and like nothing.
I have like Metroid memorized byany stretch, like the original.
But like, again, I was young. I just like played it a lot.

(04:03):
Like I, I didn't keep very detailed maps or anything that's
kind of kind of worked my way through the game.
But but he gets to crate and I'mlike, whoa, wait, why is this?
And I had to pull up a video of the original, like crate is the
same size as you in the originalNES Metroid, but then you get
the Super Metroid and he has thesize of like a two-story tall
room that you're battling with, which is becomes the like

(04:26):
definitive creed design from that point forward too.
And not, and that's not a bad thing either.
So just funny. Like I can't, I I can't
understate to people who weren'tthere where you're like, OK,
everything now Creed is this giant, you know, BLOB of a beast
spitting spikes out of his bellyand like disgusting.

(04:46):
And like, no, it was, he was like a it it ain't bit little
monster the same size as you just firing spikes out that you
could dodge easily. So like Super Metroid comes
along and you're seeing these like, OK, we're we're getting
crate again. Like, no, we're not just getting
crate again. It is on.
This is an entirely different monster that we're we're dealing
with here. Yeah, that was whatever and it

(05:10):
blew my mind when the first timeyou seen him and Ridley, like
Ridley, you see right off the bat.
And like you said, he was like alittle purple alien looking dude
with wings. He was horrible looking.
It was. Like a little gargoyle looking
thing, like it was getting your size.
Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, you know, then
you're like, my God, this thing's awesome.

(05:31):
So. Well, that, that just like it
just played so much cleaner to like Metrade was the early end
of the NES 2. So like it was it, it's it's
rough around the edges there. There's a reason I told myself,
like I, I, I gave them my blessing to skip the 0 mission.
Like they made quality of life upgrades to this thing.
You will just get frustrated by the original Metroid.

(05:53):
Go go ahead, go, go play zero mission.
That's fine. You have my blessings.
Like, but I guess you think likeit's one of those things like
you're playing Metroid just to to goof around, have fun.
And now you're at a point where like, OK, I'm going to play this
thing. So did you?
Did you feel? Like.
You accomplished something with this one.
Yeah, I mean, I played Metroid my whole childhood.
I got, you know, Nintendo when Iwas 5 and Metroid was probably

(06:14):
about 6 or 7 and I'd never saw aboss.
I've never made it that far to find a boss.
Like that game, you know, when you're a kid, that game is
insane. And yeah, putting Super Metroid
in like seeing Ridley right off the bat and, and just fighting
the bosses and working your way through it, it's amazing
feeling. And, you know, you just learn as
you go. Can can I step on your?

(06:35):
And then like you said, zero missions and fusion.
Yeah, no good. Please, please, please continue.
You know, and like you said, 0 emissions and fusion, they just
took what Super Metroid did and and really defined the 2D genre
of Metroid. Can I, can I step on yours and
just tell you a story about likewhat happened to me with the
original Metroid? So I finally, I finally decided

(06:58):
much like you, as like I always went and I got, I got the bomb
and I just kind of screwed around in the game and I was
like, I like when I was younger.And then finally, I'm like, I'm
going to play this thing. And Metroid was pre battery pack
era, like, you know, Zelda was your Zelda was your battery
backup save on the on the cartridge.

(07:18):
Metroid was password oriented. And again, one of those things
you spoiled rotten kids. Now when Nintendo puts out
passwords or Nintendo puts out like your, your eShop gift
cards, they got rid of the letter O they got rid of the
stuff that can be mistaken for zeros or ones.

(07:39):
I had a Metroid password that had, I could not figure out
whether it was zeros or OS. And like I, I was, I probably
got about halfway through the game and I password locked
myself of like, what? What am I supposed to do?
Wait, no, I can't. I don't know what password was,
I don't know. And like it was one of those
things like I couldn't find an old sheet like I, I'd like turn

(08:01):
to a fresh page. It was like a terrible timing
because I like, I threw away theloose leaf sheet or whatever I
had it on. I and I, I, I'm just filled with
dread still thinking about everytime I go on, I'm like, Oh,
thank God they got rid of the, they got rid of the letter O
because I'm still, and I still to this day, like if you get, I
will tell anybody who gets mail from Channel 3.

(08:21):
It's me. And you know, if you get a 0 on
your letter, I put the dash through the zero so you will
know it is me. I draw my ones out with the,
the, with the hat and with the base on it.
I with my sevenths, I put a linethrough the middle of the seven.
So you can, you can. I want you all to understand
when you get a, when you get a piece of mail from me that is a

(08:44):
Channel 3 sticker, you're seeingthe results of my personal
trauma directly related to Metroid and how I rate all of my
numbers to this day. So I apologize for stepping on
your game discussion. I do the same but it it but I I
want everyone to understand why specifically it is because of
Metroid that I do this. Yeah, I do the same thing

(09:05):
because of Metroid and I have stories like you, Castlevania 3I
borrowed from my uncle and I gotabout, I don't know, I got
through it. I had like some other people and
my mom threw away my sheet with all my passwords.
There's no worse feeling than losing the password to your game
mom. You may as well just come stand
in front of the screen the entire time I'm playing.
Just go. Just just.

(09:26):
On me. While you're doing it.
I flipped I I was pissed. I sent the game back to my uncle
and I'm done. I'm not playing it anymore.
So back, back to Super Metroid. I apologize for derailing that
in password discussion hour. Again, you people don't
understand. That was a beauty.
Again, my son, he's just his safe state.
He was fine. Whatever, you kids don't get it
these days. But so they they took everything

(09:50):
about Metroid and much like a lot of the Super Nintendo,
they're just like, no, we're just going to perfect this
thing. And like you said, it defined
2DS. And even still, like even with
Dread, I guess you still get a feeling of I could see some of
the things they did with Dreadline, because I played that
right after my son played 0 mission.
It it finally made me go back and like, I'm going to go play

(10:10):
dread now. I'd I'd like delayed and put
that off, but it was definitive because everything they did up
until I didn't, I didn't play. He just got the 3DS remake of
Metroid 2. I don't, I don't know how that
one plays by comparison, but everything they did up through
the Game Boy Advance and all that, this was all based on like

(10:30):
like that. We we nailed it much like
everybody says Mario Kart 8, they nailed it and we don't have
to do better than Mario Kart 8. And there's people who are like
going to forever be there. They kind of perfected this
game. Like all the the powers are all
just kind of derivative from this.
The gameplay feels like they locked it in the character
models, like everything just feels like they they nailed it
and they know they nailed it andthey're just kind of like we're

(10:52):
going to we're going to hold course here.
I don't know. Do you feel that making that
jump? Yeah, and I I did play the
Return of Samus game and yeah, it feels about the same as Super
Metroid. They added some new, you know,
they upgraded and gave me some new mechanics and stuff to make
it fresh. But for the most part it's it's
Metro 2 and so is Dread, which side note, I hate Dread.

(11:12):
I think it's a horrible game. I don't like that game.
But we'll talk about Yeah and. Then some other point in the
course of this podcast there I, I, I should've, I kept the
questions aside. I didn't want this to become an
attack concern here, but. Yeah, I'm a I'm a weird one, but
yeah. And then super Metro, the
community, the the hacks and ROMhacks are amazing.
Like I have like 5 of them and they're just expanding and give

(11:35):
you more reason to play the gameover again.
What are what are they adding? Is it like quality of life stuff
or is it just we were we are show and tell?
Show and tell like Super Metroidredesign they kind of just fixed
some of the stuff in the original that they needed fixed
and like pacing, maps, stuff like that just there's.
Gaps in time where you're like, not fighting something, it's

(11:55):
just like filling in those spaces to keep you a little
busier rather than just like running across the entire.
Map. And.
Just and then like phase on, they added a little bit of the
the Metroid, you know, the 3D Metroid into it.
I haven't played much of that one.
But then you have like Justin Bailey where you're just Samus
in her bikini, like a one piece bikini with a gun.

(12:17):
Same game, just, you know, they hacked it.
The Internet means from the 2025, That's right, 0 mission,
which is kind of like a retelling of the first one
through Super Metro gameplay andthen Hyper, which I have no
idea. I get stuck in this game.
It's super. I have no idea where to go.
That's the fun part about some of these like ROM hacks and home

(12:38):
brews. Like I I've played some Mario
ones that like they basically just took the, the the build for
Mario 3 and just like made more good Mario 3.
But also like you'll hit a pointwhere the game just breaks and
you can't do anything with it either.
It's like that's what happens. You have somebody just jailbreak
a game. Yeah.

(12:59):
Yeah, it works. If people would beat like,
Metroid, Super Metroid a milliontimes and they're like, hey,
let's make this harder. And then, you know, if you don't
know what you're doing, you're like, I'm stuck.
I don't know what to do. Yeah, it's like there's Mario
Maker levels where like, if you don't, if you don't hit
something perfectly exactly to the 8th of a second, you're
toast. Forget it.
And speed run guys. Yeah, those that's it's a
different breed. It's a different breed.

(13:20):
Yeah. Any favorite powers?
Like anything you got in this one, you're like, oh, this is
this, the game is mine now. I mean, the screw attack,
obviously the screw attack is like game breaking, but I've
always been partial. You know you're in the end.
Game, you know you're in the endgame.
I think it's going to stop you now.
Yeah, but I've always been postal to the freeze ray because
I think that was one of the few power ups I used to get in

(13:42):
Metroid. I used to be able to find the
freeze ray. Yes, that was that's an early
one in Metroid. So you can jump on those, those
little hot dog guys. I always call them that when I
was a kid, the little hot dogs and you can jump on and use the
freeze ray to to move. Did you as far as speed goes,
how many times have you like beaten this thing?
Have you done the the speed runs?
Have you been able to to accomplish this thing?

(14:07):
No, my channel, my show's called.
I suck at games. I suck at games.
I beat Super Metro and I can beat it, but I I just get the
helmet. I I can't beat it quick.
Yeah, it's it's it's like a a changing time over the amount of
time you're you're able to do itwith it.
So yeah, as as far as I. Think it's under 3 hours.
I'll I'll never, I'll never, I'll never forget it.

(14:29):
It's just not going to happen. No, I get too funny and I I want
to explore that game. So you said this is your
favorite of all? Like this is number one with the
bullet. No, there was no hesitation in
your voice. Nothing, nothing stopping you.
Why is this #1? I think it's just a time frame.
Like back in the day it was the game that hit me, you know, it
was like 101112 whenever this came out or whenever I got it

(14:52):
and you know, the, the visuals and stuff just stuck with me.
The gameplay. And for some reason I always
loved Metroid. Like I said on the Nintendo, I
was horrible at it, but I just played it for hours.
You know, what happened to I, I,when I got to the Metroids and
Nintendo, they were like, horrifying because they're so
they're so tough to deal with. They're not, They're not fun.
Yeah. And I felt like I could beat

(15:14):
them better in the Super. That was Nintendo.
Yeah. Nintendo was just hard all
around. Everything was difficult with
Nintendo, but still fun. They, they, they, they still
made it fun. It's OK.
I hate Ninja Turtles but I played that game my whole
childhood. It's a horrible game, but.

(15:35):
All right, game #2 we're headingPokémon Red, the original game,
the game decided that poison should be the most prominent
trait as a, as a bunch of peoplelearned a few days ago on
trivia. I don't, I don't, I don't know,
I don't know why I knew that. And then I and I just like,
'cause I don't know why I knew that.
But when I saw the question I was like, yeah, I know it's
poison. It's we have a lot of poisonous

(15:57):
Pokémon because you know we and then they'll be all they'll be
basically useless, but we're going to have a whole lot of
them Well, because. They're secondary, I guess,
right? You get like the poisonous grass
types and things like that. Yeah, it's like, it's like
everything else. And poison.
There was a lot of bugs. Lot of bugs.
In Gen. 1. Lot of heading through the
forest all right, poking. Normal.

(16:19):
I thought there was a lot of normal Pokémon.
I mean that was. It would.
Make sense it? Would feel like it made sense.
So Pokémon, you start, you play this game and it's is it
immediate? You play like this is amazing.
Yeah, like I remember the cartoon coming on and my buddy,

(16:40):
we had Game Boy, so he went and bought blue, I bought red.
And you know, it was like a battle.
We were trying to like, hey, I got this far, I got this far.
We start trading and yeah, it's addictive.
Like once you get into Pokémon it it was very addictive and
I've skipped a couple generations, but I usually did
always was playing a Pokémon game at some point in time in my
life. But yeah, Red Steel I think is
one of the best ones. So you were you watching the

(17:04):
show before you played the game?Yeah, it came on one afternoon
or I don't remember. I was trying to watch something
and it came on and yeah, I kind of just started watching it and
then I realized what it was and I think I went and got a Game
Boy just for this game. Like, I didn't even own a Game
Boy, I owned a Game Gear. So I went.
One of my buddies sold me a GameBoy for like 20 bucks.

(17:27):
Nah, one bought Pokémon. So you start the game and and
which which Pokémon do you choose?
So I always thought I picked Bulbasaur, but I recently went
back onto my red card and I picked Squirtle and so my whole
like childhood is a lie. I always thought it was
Bulbasaur and I know my buddy picked Charizard, he picks

(17:50):
Charmander. Wait, why did you lie to
yourself? Like is there some is there
something like why? Why did you lie to yourself?
That's why I need I. I need a psychologist breakdown
of this. I don't know, like I always
thought Bulbasaur, Bulbasaur, like that's my favorite starter.
I picked Bulbasaur. And yeah, the video's on my
YouTube channel. I popped it in and I was just so
confused and like, why do I havea Blastoise?

(18:11):
Like I couldn't figure out what was going on.
And I know I transferred Pokémonoff of that, but yeah, no, the
blast twist is like my OG one. I was, I was I I have no idea
what happened. I've been living.
Alive for 28 years, I just figured it out now.
Tell everybody how fun this work.
If you watch the video, you can see like the distrust, like the

(18:32):
Mandela effect in my brain. Like I don't know what's going
on. I'm very confused.
I, I, I really don't know what happened to my game.
So how? How how'd you go about playing
Pokémon? Cause your your friend played
blue and you had red. Would you would you have one
Pokémon just powered up? Did you go exploring searching
to collect all the Pokémon? Like, how'd you play the game?

(18:57):
I tried to collect them all and I always tried to make myself
like a gym leader, like what would be my Pokémon and I know
Red. I was a psychic type Pokémon
trainer and made the game very easy.
Yes, yes, that I do know it was.It made the game very easy.
So yeah, yeah, it's, it's amazing how those first games,

(19:19):
they, they, they had psychic andthey decided, you know what,
there's nothing. It's like if you have psychic
you win like. Psychic's weakness was psychic
and it's like OK, like this is stupid but we'll go with it.
Not going to bump in any other ones of those, you'll be fine.
There's nothing else. Yeah, you're not going to see
any of this, any, any level 100 Pokémon.

(19:41):
Yes I did do do the rare candy trick the missing though and my
whole team was like 100. I I went maxed out everyone I
could. Any so?
What was #1 I do know that. Number one hypno any any link
cable battles did you get them to do?
Did you connect a little? Link cable, we did, yes, we did

(20:03):
have the Lincoln able and we did.
We did battles, we did trades, you know all that, all that fun
stuff from Gen. 1. Hey, you still playing now?
What's the yes? What's the latest Pokémon game?
Now you're anyone that you're playing and enjoying.
Legend ZAI bought but I'm playing the Suean 1 legends

(20:25):
Arceus 'cause I I kind of skipped it and after completing
skull and Violet I figure I'll go back and play Arceus and then
as soon as I complete it I'll jump into ZA hopefully.
How's Arceus going? I'm not, I don't know, I don't
like that much. I don't, I don't dig that game.
Like everyone else said how great it was and I I'd rather
just have my normal Pokémon game.

(20:45):
I got a bad I got bad news for you about ZA then before you
get. To it.
I've heard but I figured I'm going to buy it.
I pre-order it so I can get a mat and I'm like a sucker for
free stuff. How, how's the how's the Pokémon

(21:06):
card collection 'cause I think that's something you you do a
bit too, right? I thought I saw.
My my son appreciates the the cards that Van Geen gave him,
even he was, he was giving out with his his cards at the
Pittsburgh Gaming Expo, Pokémon cards.
So yes, he's got plenty. I know that much.
Yeah, I I give out Pokémon stuffall the time.
Yeah, it's going good. It's a little hard to find

(21:26):
stuff, but thankfully my wife works from home on Friday so she
can go stand in line at GameStopand pick us up some stuff to
open and we're collecting. I've one master set in Crown
Zenith, which is the first set Istarted two years ago for the
YouTube channel, and I think we have like 4 or five sets we're
trying to complete right now. And yeah, so we're just trying

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to get as much as we can open and pray that we hit some big
hits. All right, let's go game #3 we
got Red Dead Redemption, the original.
I'm. I'm just amazed, Dan, this is
the second time in a month that we're talking about Red Dead
Redemption one. I'm just waiting for the day we
hit Red Dead Revolver, but yes. They so so, so how does this
game fit in? Could that be Super?

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You got Super Metroid, you know,on the, on the Super Nintendo,
you got Pokémon Red 90s. We're playing games and now #3
is Red Dead Redemption. How do we jump over here?
So I second games and I actually100% of this game and it was
brutal to do some of the stupid stuff that they make you do.
But my sister-in-law was actually living with us and my

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wife and her would sit there andwatch me play this for hours.
And I, they would just, I don't know why they would watch me,
but they would, they'd get sucked into the storyline and
laugh at me whenever I was trying to knife bears to death.
But yeah, it's the only game I ever 100 percented.
Was that one of the? Was that one of the achievements
you had to hit was knifing a bear?

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So there's like Marksman Hunter,there's different stuff that you
have to unlock, like outfits andyou have to like level 4, you
have to kill a cougar with dynamite and then you have to
knife a cougar and then you haveto knife two bears and skin them
without dying. And it took me about 3-4 hours
to do. There's a glitch, you can make

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it work. So you said your your wife and
sister-in-law kind of into the story.
Were you into the story too? Is that it's like so like why?
Why is this the game that you 100% of of all the games?
Because like you said, it's not in high.
School, like, no, in high school, like, you know, Grand
Theft Auto 3 came out and we'd be partying, we'd be playing

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that in Vice City and stuff. But I never played the game.
Someone else always owned them. We just, you know, put the codes
in, got our high score, jumped stuff, you know, fought cops and
stuff like that. And I don't know, it dropped
down like 20 or 30 bucks for thethe Game of the year edition.
I bought it and I like Cowboys, I like Western.
So it sucked me in. And yeah, I just went down on
that game and it's it's a fun game.

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You get around and shoot, shoot stuff and hunt.
And I think I haunted the most. So you wrote when you were
telling us this list, you said you had tattoos all this game,
you have a Red Dead Redemption tattoo.
Is that? Is that part of the?
Is that part of it here? Yeah, so yeah.
So me and my wife got tattoos for our 10 year anniversary and

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I picked my favorite hats so I have Red Dead Redemption hat
right there. Samus, Pokémon, shy guy and Halo
2 or Halo? So.
What What are the flowers? What what is the flower?
Significance tight in there. So my favorite color is teal and
her favorite color is purple because I'm a Jaguars fan and it

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says I've lived 1000 lives the JRR Martin quote so hers has
books in it. She reads a lot.
Oh, that's the perfect relationship, right?
That's what that's what every video always says.
You have the one person play video games and the person
reading right next to them. Yeah.
Ever get, ever get lost just just riding a horse and enjoying

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the scenery as you're playing the game.
Kind of like, kind of like goingback to it like the Grand Theft
Auto stuff, but just, you know, out West now.
No, no, I love, I love just riding the horse around.
And you, you mentioned 22, definitely when you would hit
the semantics scene and the horse would just go, that was
amazing. Like, you know, they really

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captured the Western field in these games.
Robin Banks, Robin Banks, Robin trains.
It was fun to do. We didn't always try to be the
good guy, though. That's not easy to do.
Let's let's move to your honorable mansions, a list that
I'm going to jokingly say again,you and I were talking before
the record that yeah, you listento the Square Pegs episode right

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before this and felt challenged,I assume, to try to find games
that we had never discussed before.
I'm I'm I, I can't. I can't.
I know there's more to it than that, but we've got we got 3.
Games that. Ray didn't believe existed
again. Yeah, I picked the games before
I listened to Square pegs, so I was like, I'm good.
I picked games that they're going to be excited about.

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That that's even better. Now I I had to update your title
because your first game you did not give me the complete title
for and I had to I had to make sure I put in here the kiss kiss
Psycho circus, the nightmare child, a first person shooter
for the second Dreamcast. That was that was my first
question. Was this APC or was this a
Dreamcast? But for those go ahead, go

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ahead. Please, please take this, take
this. I can't.
I can't do this, just as you're going to do.
So. So if you want a spawn game
that's not spawn and actually better than that, Todd McFarlane
in nine kiss did psycho circus. They got back together, released
their new first new album with the original members.
And for some reason Todd Mcfarlane's like, I'm going to

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make a comic book that is insanewhere kiss are like these God
type creatures that are here to protect the world and all this
stuff. And they made a game and I don't
know why, but so you're you're just some random guy and you
basically get the power of the Starchild in the 1st part and

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you've slowly become the membersof KISS and you fight.
The most memorable one for me isa giant clown with tarantula
feet, kind of like Pennywise andjust the craziest stuff you can
think of it in Tom McFarland world.
Sports to play Todd Befrozz, they were taking a Kiss tribute
band and give them superpowers out of nowhere.
That's that was just like obviously the way this is going

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to play out. Yeah, what?
I mean, if you watch Scooby-doo meets Kiss, they also use that
we're like the elder or the godsthat they work for, and they can
travel through space and time ontheir guitar.
And yeah, a lot of that started with Todd McFarlane.
And why I don't know. I I apologize, I should have

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declared a kiss psycho circus when I introduced it to I really
dropped the ball and the proper instruction.
OK, so so how, how, how, what, how Now I know the Dreamcast
wasn't with us long and there weren't that many games, but
like, how, what what happened here?
Were you were you familiar with the comics or was it just in

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the? KISS.
I actually bought a Dreamcast somy dad's a huge KISS Army fan.
I'm a KISS army fan. It was my first concert.
I've tons of KISS tattoos. So whenever I was, I walked into
an EB Games and saw the big box for the PC for like 5 bucks and
I had to snag it and I played iton my old Windows Emmy.

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And you know, I did go to Internet, played it and then and
probably about 10-12 years ago, I was like, you know what, I'm
buying a Dreamcast and I'm buying Kissego Circus.
It's the only game I'm buying. That's literally what I did.
I got on eBay, bought a Dreamcast, bought this game, and
just so I could play it at home,see what it's like.
All right, now this had to either be $5 or $500 to get a

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copy of this game used. Which was it it?
Was about 20 bucks. Oh wow.
OK. So it was on, it was on the low
side. Yeah, it it's gone up in price,
but it's only like 40 or $50 now.
It's not outrageously expensive quite yet.
I, I keep trying to explain to my son, he's like, why is what
as he's, he's going through his retro gaming phase now and he's

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like, why is this game $5 and this game's like 200 to get a
hold of all the, you could trip over copies of the Super Mario
Galaxy, but no, you're not finding this other game.
They only made probably like 500of them.
You're not going to find this sowasn't sure where Kiss Psycho
Circus the nightmare child fell into fell into this one.

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The the PCs even worse 'cause like I have one of the big boxes
sitting over there, it's Peter Chris, but they did one for each
member plus I think like a normal 1.
That is the most kissed thing they could have done.
That is, that is the most. I'll go grab it.
That that is absolutely the mostkissed thing of like no, you
can't buy one copy of this game.You're Are the Kiss Army will

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buy 4 copies of this game. So there's the Peter Chris 1 and
it opens up and there's the other covers that you can get
and yeah, so you got to have allfour.
I only bought 10. I'm sorry.
It was pre owned for $1.99 EB Games $5.
That's awesome. Yeah, it was towards the end

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when they were going out of. Business there.
Oh my God, so so nice you boughtYou bought it twice in the end.
They may not have gotten you with A4 alternating covers, but
they at least got you to get theDreamcast version.
Is that really the only Dreamcast game you have?
No, no, I got more now, but it it was the only one.

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I had it was priority number one.
Is there any special feature with the memory card on that?
Not that I've ever known. I said the memory card did some
weird stuff with the Dreamcast. I figured there might be
something they they hid in there.
I'm sorry I'm still hung up whenthey made on the four copies of
on the four different covers of that thing that they they that

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is so aggressively kiss. Yeah, there's two KISS games on
home console. There's Psycho Circus and
there's a KISS Pinball for the PlayStation one, which I also
have the big box for the computer for that also.
So some some great. So I mean, again, like you said,
Todd McFarlane was the the mind behind the comic book and
therefore, like just the of course you're going to get the

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most warped visuals possible in this thing.
Was that just what stuck out to you at this game or like what?
What was it just like the whole experience tied together?
The whole experience, like, I mean, I was always a Spawn fan.
Like, you know, growing up in that era, Spawn was like the
thing to be cool and like, and for Todd to make these figures

(31:44):
and make the games, and it was just a weird time.
OK, I I should have some kind ofjoke about this transition that
we're gonna go through here. I unfortunately tweaked my neck
getting whiplashed trying to figure out how to transition
from the elder God Todd McFarlane driven kiss psycho

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circus game to the Muppet monster adventure featuring
primarily starring Robin and Kermit's nephew.
Also the the same year, so 2000 on the PlayStation.
Same era. What happened?
Huh? So I have I have tattoos of

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Muppets too. I love Muppets and I found this
game before the pandemic so I paid $20.00 for it.
It's not like an over $100 game and it's basically Zelda.
It's Zelda with The Muppets. It's.
Amazing. It it it's it's the most it it
is. It is the epitome of APS one
aesthetic 3D platformer. Like probably if you were to

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take that era of games be like, OK, tell me what system this is.
You could just nail PS1 PS1, PS I'm sorry, PlayStation playstate
Ray's going to get mad at me forsaying PS1, but whatever, I
don't it's OK. He's he's not in a fight at me.
He's in good mood. PS1's that PS1 was that remake.
They made the secondary console.They made PS2.
Yeah, I made that skinnier version that was that was PS1.

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The PlayStation came out before the PlayStation 2.
But he so so the Pi can't do I just call it the PS to say how
do you say PlayStation? I just say PS1 it's.
Just it's the PlayStation. It is the most PlayStation
aesthetic game possible. It's right there with Spyro and
the other 3D platformers, but it's it's The Muppets.
I got a shout out by the way. I just I I need to give my

(33:38):
Michael G Aquino shout out here for this was it.
This was in the midst of his video game soundtrack run before
he moved into to movies and TV with like the Incredibles and
lost. This was he was in his bag
putting together these killer soundtracks.
He did just like a bunch of muppet muppet ass music in the
middle of this thing. I'm sorry that just and I had to

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I had to go through the long play just listening.
I'm like, yeah, OK, that tracks that.
That's definitely Giacchino workthere.
Did, did you did you read the names of what the monsters are
called? Well, I'm I'm.
Going to shout out Baron Petrie von Honeydew and just ask was he
wrong in this? No, that's that's one.
But the best ones are You got the Kerr monster, you got the

(34:23):
bride of the Kerr monster. You have the Muck monster, which
is what the heck? I can't remember what his name
is. Fozzie's.
No, it's Clifford. He's like this paint guy that no
one remembers. They went.
They went to the seats. Here the seats here Muppets, For
this game I. Didn't say Muppets is not
Muppets is not my area. I wouldn't know.

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The only one like no one understands why Clifford's in
this game. Fawzi though is the waka Waka
Ware bear of course, but Ponzo'sis the best.
It's nose Huratu. That's perfect.
You can't you can't beat that. I I have questions like why did

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they center this on? Was the was Kermit too busy?
Like how did Robin get called upfrom the from the V team for
this one? So you you go to the the Haunted
Mansion type thing and everyone disappears and Robin's left
alone and they're all turned into monsters.
And as you defeat them you get special ability.
So like when you defeat Nosferatu, you can now glide and

(35:26):
yeah. You get like greenback.
Wings on Robin. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, it's kind of
cool. So it's like Zelda, you as you
defeat each temple or, you know,each villain, you get new
abilities to go on to the next level.
And yeah, it's just a weird game, man.
I wanted to bring it up so people know.
OK, so this wasn't even something you I mean, you, you
probably were were mildly aged out of this when it when it came

(35:50):
out. But like you got this thing like
pre pandemic era. Why, why did you do that?
I didn't even know this game existed.
But like, why did you say like I'm getting, I'm getting me some
Muppet monster adventure. I think I was watching Aaron
plays. I think she's a YouTube and I
love The Muppets. So like the Nintendo game's
horrible and after that it's a lot of handhelds and there's not

(36:12):
a lot of Muppet games. Well, and and none.
Of them feel like Muppets, see, like none of them feel like
they're just like Muppets slapped onto another type of
game. Yeah, and poorly usually.
So there's two PlayStation One games.
There's Muppet Racing, which is amazing.
In the back of the book they give you a code to unlock
everything and you can be Fraggle Rock.
It kind of ties all the Jim Henson stuff into one racing

(36:33):
game. And then she played this month,
Muppet Monster game, man. And I was like, I have to own
this. I feel like this is going to be
worth money one day and I betterbuy it now before it jacks up in
price. And it definitely did.
That is astounding that I I again like it's just it's such a
weird fallow period for The Muppets too.

(36:54):
Like post it. It's like Muppets in space era
too. We're like, Oh no, The Muppets
are dead. Again, like it's just it's so
weird that it's in the middle oflike that era.
That's hilarious. I'm gonna say it was probably
right after Treasure Plant or Treasure Island.
Oh, the last, the last good one.Yeah.
Yeah. And so they started working on
this game, and then they died again and you know.

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And it took it to like 2011 for them to come back again, yeah.
Yeah, Muppets and Space is an amazing movie.
All token's in it. I managed to go back and check
that out again that that was tough.
And I, I think I went back with my kids and even my kids when
they were little were like, no, we're not.
We're not doing it. And there was something about
that one that was like, this just feels wrong.
This feels like it's criminal towatch this movie.

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I don't know. It it it tells you where Gonzo
came from. Hollywood Hogan shows up in the
height of like the NWO era like it's.
It's the funk soundtrack. It might have been Hogan showing
up with the funk soundtrack thatjust feel like this feels wrong
and like this is unnatural. I don't know.
Maybe. We got we have one more wild

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game on this honorable mention list, Crew ball.
So I mean I go and look up crew balls.
Like what? Well, he's not saying again.
He's not saying it right. He's not.
I don't hear a new one the way you're saying it, Ray.
I, I, I wouldn't, I honestly wouldn't even know how to
pronounce it like correctly, butI, I saw crew ball.
I was like, what is this? And I look it up, it's like,
it's a pin. There you go.

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And it's like, oh, it's a pinball game.
I was like, that's an interesting choice.
It's like, no, no, it's a pinball game from Mötley Crüe.
Not even that. It's a pinball game for three
songs by Mötley Crüe, because that's probably all they could
fit. It's.
Got an awesome cover though. That cover.
Great cover. After feel goods on it, yeah.
Clear clearly, clearly shows that it's a pinball game on that

(38:42):
cover right there for the. Flipper, right?
There's a Flipper ball right there in the middle, man.
Right, it's there for the for the Sega Genesis as Sega
continues their whole, hey, we're we're way cooler than
Nintendo. Look how cool we are with our
Mötley Crüe game here. How'd you come up?
How'd you find this? One so my one buddy had opened a

(39:06):
a gaming store and I went in to buy some stuff and I bought
rocket night adventure because Isold mine and dragon Slayer for
Sega CD and he had a box copy and I'm like what is this?
And it was like 8 box. So I snagged it because I'm a
huge Mötley Crüe fan, big metal head.
So I'm like, well, I have to game, I have to play it.
And it's not a bad game. It's a pretty good pinball game

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All in all. Sidebar, is your is your buddy's
shop still around and is it up in the greater area where
you're? It's too bad.
It was in Indiana. He was at PGX.
He was selling the canvases and that it's called Eternal
Designs. Yeah, yeah, he was.
But seller. I'll just shout it out again.

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I, I over, I spoke over that. I'm sorry.
Shout out again. Eternal Designs.
He sells all kinds of fun stuff.Too close to the nuclear plants.
That's why the store couldn't survive, that's all.
Probably. Sorry Ray, I.
Apologize. How's this?
So you got 3 songs? You got doctor feel good live
wire and home sweet home? Do you have a preference on

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which song you liked hearing themost when you played this?
Probably live wire Home sweet home.
It sounds OK and Doctor Feel Good's OK, but yeah, I think I
like the 8 bit, the 16 bit stylewith live wire.
Home Sweet Home does not feel like it should be a pinball
song. Yeah, that's a little.

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Weird, I could buy the other twoand like trying to get the
energy for like an an upbeat pinball game.
I OK I got nothing. It's not even upbeat.
This game is crazy. There's like skulls and aliens
and you keep working with levelsand I you bust through and
there's like this crazy thing throwing stuff at you and skulls
coming everywhere and it's, it'snuts.

(40:54):
This is a great snake. We'll never, we'll never see it
on the. Side of the year there, but I
was saying you got it. You you like battling stuff
while playing pinball. Yeah, that's that's that's the
best way I can describe here. It's it's like the most metal
pinball you can get. Yeah, it's this is this is, this
is as metal as a pinball game could get These.

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I have that and I, I just think of the there's gotta be like a
kiss pinball machine in the arcades back in the day.
No, there's yeah, PlayStation one and computer has a kiss
pinball so but it's awful. The screen scrolls so like when
you're playing only half the table shown.
So when you go up, the screen, OK, yeah, goes up.
It's horrible. But look, they even gave you

(41:37):
this cool sticker and someone put it on the inside for me like
this. This is the greatest pinball
game ever made. Yeah, I see.
You don't get books like that anymore either.
That's it's all they're like separate things.
There's like companies that thatlike now specialize in making
separate books that you buy to, to, to kind of feel like you're

(41:57):
getting those old books again. The the last one I bought was
Retromania. I bought a physical copy of it
just to get a case and a book. I didn't even get a game, I got
a digital code. But you got the, but you got the
book and the case. Book.
I got some cards. Yeah.
It was a nice little indie project.
People didn't know fun. All right, let's go to the

(42:17):
future now game. We're looking forward to hear
Project Medieval, which is supposedly Rockstar's next big,
next big's game. As I say, we've done westerns,
we've done GTA. What if we just do the same
thing but with with with medieval design?
Why not, right? That's right, and knowing

(42:40):
Rockstar, there has to be Monty Python and the Holy Grail Easter
eggs all through this thing do. You believe it's have they?
They haven't confirmed this evenexists, have they?
No, it's a rumor still. Yeah, I, it's, it's hopeful.
I, I really hope it comes out. I will play the crap out of that
game. It's not a boarding school, it's
not OK. It's it's it's a logical place

(43:02):
for them to go. I'm just kind of you think
there'd be something official they would have said by now,
Just like it could buy them likea month of time to get off their
backs about GTA6, you'd think they'd say.
Something I was going to say, they're so they're so bogged
down with GTA 6, I don't know what's.
I don't know. They'll announce it.

(43:23):
I'll announce it in 20 years, it'll come out.
So I mean, it doesn't matter when they announce it now.
No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't even a little
bit. I wonder if they learned their
lesson too though. They'll be like, they're going
to announce like it comes out in90 days.
That's what they they'll, they'll wait until like 2027,
then they're like. OK.
Oh, sure. I have I have some bad news.
Oh no, I got bad news for you. Rockstar Co founder says it was

(43:47):
a real thing, but they never gotthey never got far with it.
They had there was a concept andno, that's kind of it.
He he claims as it's not a thing.
Oh, it's an article from three weeks ago.
That's the new, brand new article that just popped.
Hey, PlayStation 8 will come out.
That game will be there for it. It it'll be there in like 20-30

(44:08):
years, it'll be out. Again, they like they they could
do it. I would.
I believe in Rockstar. We we were sort of trying to do
a version of a mythological gamethat could have been fun, said
Hauser. And you know, I still love that
idea, but I never went very far with it.
Knights would be going really far back in history.
It just never got to writing anyof it.

(44:29):
Just did some back story and played around with a few ideas
but it was always something I thought I would never do.
Kind of fell in love with a bit but he's gone from there now.
Maybe they did take it and run with it.
Maybe they did, maybe someone but the dream.
Don't don't kill the dream ray. Yeah, I tell you, that's a great
idea. Like, you know, Red Dead
Redemption two, you go and there's that one town that has

(44:50):
like a plague. You could have like plague
doctors walking around like it. It's great.
Instead of a waste of plagued take you take you to the the
medieval doctor for a bloodletting get the get walk
out. You're pulling Lee like, kind of
like Franklin walking out of theHodges walk out of the hospital,
pulling leeches off of your yourcorpse and shaving away

(45:13):
infection. Sweet.
Walk up to a gate and a bunch ofFrench guys start sob throwing
insults at you and stuff. Oh man, I shall touch you a
second time. You know, that was my biggest
thing. Like I know Rockstar loves
Easter eggs and man the the Monty Python stuff and that
would be amazing. The the British part of them

(45:33):
would really come out heavily atthat point, I think.
Oh yeah. Well, this is the point where we
this is the point where we take a quest, a question from the
Channel 3 history books that we pick for you to discuss and 5050
toss up here. I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go
with, with this one quest from this week, time to be a hero.

(45:56):
Donkey Kong Country had its had its anniversary this past week
and the the the long standing villain to Mario the the OG
Nintendo bad guy. Yeah, well, sure he was the he
was the good guy sort of in Donkey Kong or, you know, kind
of entrap the Donkey Kong to whatever.
Who cares? Not the point.
Point is though, Donkey Kong Country is finally like the out

(46:18):
and out good guy. Who, what, what?
What villain do you want to see get a turn to be the hero?
Ridley Let's give Ridley a nice redemption arc.
Was like the space pirate can have some brain damage and
decide suddenly going from the from the number one overarching
villain of the entire Metroid series.

(46:38):
Like now. Now the now the good guy.
Maybe Metroid can latch onto it,suck that bad part of his brain
out or something, you know, and then it wants to stop.
You know, someone else, Maybe Dark Samus comes back and really
wants to fight it. Who knows, They can make up
something. It maybe it maybe it's one to
see that maybe once it's a prequel from before the Space
pirate days when Ridley was on the up and up or two you go like

(47:02):
Godfather 3 and Ridley's trying to take the Space pirates legit
and trying to trying to make thebusiness clean.
Maybe that's it. Yeah.
Open up like a space cafe. Ridley just taking that scone
recipe. Right, I'm tired.
It's like I'm tired. Last question we asked, what's

(47:25):
been your favorite feature on Channel 3?
The community, man, it's been fun to interact with everyone.
And you know, I just joined whatlike we just said like a month
and a half two months ago. And yeah, it's just, it's a
really fun community. People post of and everyone's
interacting and the, the daily games is really fun.
I I play those every morning while I'm drinking my coffee.

(47:48):
Really bad at them though. Me too, me too.
And I make some of them and I and I and I make some of them on
a daily basis. Like today.
Even today, I finally did well on a Mario Kart target and
completely screwed up the like the Fortnite one, the one that I
put, I put those. Like I had a hundo on the

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Fortnite. Yeah, I know.
I put it I'm the. One, I don't set the.
I set the Fortnite target. It's.
Oh, that's horrible. There's my.
They're my pictures. It was in front of Mr. Burns.
It wasn't like it was an obscureone either, though.
It was the front of Mr. Burns's house, no.
No, I know. I took the picture.
I'm in the car that's in that picture today and the day, the

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day I finally do well on Mario Kart because I was so I was so
terrible at Mario Kart. The day I do well, Fortnite
brings down the score. That that Mario Kart talks.
It's so hard I don't understand.Every time I see like a desert,
I'm like, Yep, I know where thatis.
And I'm like, Nope, it's the other desert.
Yeah, there are three deserts onthe Mario Kart world map.
There are three deserts. I know.

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It's 3 deserts. And there's like what, 4
beaches? Like I'm like this is
ridiculous. They all look the same.
But at least the beaches have anaesthetic.
I can. I can get the beaches right.
I can get the shipwreck right? The deserts, I have not gotten a
single one right yet. It's a, it's always the third
one. Like I'm like, maybe it's this
desert or this desert. I'm like, oh wait, there's a
third desert I forgot about and it's always the third one.

(49:16):
I'll say which desert? I think I put a desert today,
didn't I? I did put a desert one, yeah.
It's a. Western.
Redemption. Yeah.
Red Dead Redemption's hard, too,man.
Like, it just shows a picture ofthe woods and you're like,
there's woods everywhere. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, there, there are, there are, Yeah, there are.
There are some background thingsin that way.
I just don't know that map as well.
There are always add. Marks on the.

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Background that I got to look for that I just don't know this
map. Your time.
So it's like you don't have timeto look at the whole picture.
You gotta, you gotta go as quickas you can, yeah.
Go for it. That's been there.
There's been a little more gracegiven to that.
You've got like what, 3 or 6 seconds now before it really
starts to impact you? I'm still I'm still panicking
as. I I think, I think it's 6

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seconds. You get 6 seconds now before it
starts to goes negative and three three pixels.
I screwed up eldering. I screwed up eldering today too.
I should have known today as it was not, was just not close.
It was bad. It was a bad day.
Never played elder ring either. Rough day today, bomb shoes.
Bomb shoes in the right 92 1/2 today.

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These people getting 90s consistently or like I don't I I
can't do it. I had one day I got kind of
lucky that I'm like, oh I I got 2 like really high maps that
carried me and I got lucky on Red Dead that day that not not
Red Dead I got like I got Red dead on the dot like pretty much
and Doom I got lucky with. I got.

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I have no chance of two. I was 2 pixels on one of the red
deads one day. It was a really good pick.
If you ever get a 0, you get a tagline for it.
Really I'll. Try it.
It does. It can happen.
I have it. I did it once.
Dan, do you have that one? It's the other one you don't
have, right? Dan, you have you have the goose
egg tag tagline. I I I have the goose egg at.

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Least can't. Get lucky.
I can't. You just can't get lucky on the
hand. I can't get lucky and.
This is a wild. I I have the I also have the
mini game Spartan, the OG one that I got the I got the hundo
on target. I got the hundo on you know, I
got 97 on target, hundo on enhanced and one O 3 on trivia.

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That's how I did it. Yeah.
All right. And with that, we made it to the
end of another one of your three, Von Keen.
Thanks for being with us. You can find a podcast.
Absolutely. You can find the podcast at C3
dot GG slash podcast dropping every Wednesday morning at 3:33
AM Eastern on all the major platforms, including Spotify,

(51:45):
YouTube Music and Apple Podcasts.
I'm Ray Dan puts us all together.
Our theme song is by Caster Garden and for our executive
producer, Joel Willis. Have a good day everybody,
Channel 3. Is the future.

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We'll do something with them. Yeah, fair enough man cool.
Well welcome long time no see all the two months or whatever
it's been a month, a night two months Jesus time time has
somehow accelerated and slowed down in the last two months.
I don't know, but anyway it's. Been weird actually.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I don't know what's going on. I blame time changes.

(02:06:28):
But anyway, Ray, Ray will be in in a few minutes.
He's wrapping some stuff up and he'll jump in.
He's he's the Co host on here, he's the other admin on Channel
3 and, and Joel Ray and I kind of kind of hold the Fort down
with everything there. But I want to give you a rundown
on a couple of things just so you know kind of how this works.
We we just record this in advance.

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That way. You know what I tell people we,
we, you are episode #141 we havedone everything from NFL players
to professional stand up comedians to a literal 7th
grader. So we are prepared for any
eventuality for how this can go is we have not been, we have not
been burned in 141 episodes. So things are.

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Yeah, I think, I think we, we mostly have.
That's why I was trying to say like, you don't have anything to
worry about because that's why we structured this show the way
we did. Outside of you telling us what
games you want to talk about. That's the end of your, that's
the end of your commitment to have to, to have to prepare.
It's, it's easy for you from there, 'cause you know, like

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that's why we do it this way 'cause you're just talking games
you picked, you know, a lot of people pick like their favorites
or things and things like that. Some do some themes and
whatever. Like about like games of like
childhood or whatever, like don't care, whatever, whatever
you're good with. That's what that's kind of what
makes it work is like it's pain painless for the guests to just
like you're talking games like you do YouTube and stuff.

(02:07:52):
So, you know, you used to talk into a microphone and camera.
You can handle that just fine. It's other people who have like
never done anything recorded before.
Like you'll be fine. We're just talking games.
Raise it, raise a teacher. I am AI, am historically a
professional investigator and interrogator.
So I can we're prepared for whatever.
So anyway, I just, I just jokingly say that to say, you

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know, we, you saw the rundown ofthe show, kind of how the thing
flows and the bullet points for it.
Ray and I divvy up the games. You know, we, we keep a Google
doc up and, and keep that running live on our end.
And I bring it up for you just because they're going to be
points where like we're transitioning and usually we put
a note in just so it's one less thing I have to edit on the

(02:08:37):
Google Docs. You're like, OK, your turn
ready. Like so I don't have to cut that
out. You know, the only thing is I, I
cut are I, yeah, I try inevitably just with these
weather changes that we're goingthrough right now is, you know,
I'm eventually going to go like at at some point clearing my
throat and hopefully I have mutemuted.
But if not, we're all tracked separately.
So I can just make that disappear anyway.

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So I don't, I don't worry about that.
But that's the kind of stuff I, I disappear or if there's some
dead air, I get rid of that. I only bring it up because, you
know, if we're transitioning andyou hear some dead air, if you
have something you want to say, by all means, please do.
Also, though, at the same time, if you're like, I don't have
anything to say. Are they waiting for me?
No, we're probably not. So, you know, don't ever feel

(02:09:22):
pressured like I have to say something senseless or like
they'll be like I got a force saying something and no, you
don't. You're fine.
Either way. We'll be we'll be all good on
that front there. And that's the stuff I, I just
tighten up. I don't reorganize anything,
make you sound like a Nazi or anything like that.
I just stick to Oh yeah, I I just stick to square pegs, yeah.

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I did check out one of the episodes just to see kind of how
the flow was and I was like all.Right.
Which one did you pick to see ifit was a good?
One square pegs. Oh yeah, that was yeah, that
he's the same thing. He's just professional video
man. So that was just, that was just
keeping the beast moving in One Direction.
That that was easy. That was.
Then you guys were making fun ofall the like normal games and

(02:10:05):
I'm like crap did I pick 2? Normal games you're good no,
it's funny like though it's onlybecause like I said, literally
he was episode 140 and there areyou're I mean I I hope you did
not feel challenged by that. I guess Pokémon Red falls into
the like, OK, that's one of the ones that we will hit
periodically be like, no, you'vegot some unique ones on here and
we'll get to that. Save it for the podcast.

(02:10:26):
Don't bring it up now. Save it for the podcast so.
You do this like video wise 'cause like I legit got copies
of everything. The like I don't know if.
You actually videoed it or not? So I record the video.
I have not had a lot of time like 'cause like I, I want to
like extract some promos and things like that.

(02:10:46):
It's OK to have visual aids for for us chatting anyway. 99.9% of
this is just eye contact for thethree of us here.
If I were any better and and made better use of my time, I
would because this will be another rush edit job.
So I don't know of all the time.Like I usually like extracting
like a 30 or 62nd clip of something.

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But I would send you for permission to say like, hey, can
I can I use the video from this for something?
Otherwise the video just rots onmy hard drive or this is also
the place where I farm the most gifts from for the site with
like the reactions that we we use again, same thing.
I will send you for permission and and the fun part about those
is always I release them to the people who either provide them

(02:11:29):
or, or I, I get permission from and you get to use it before
anybody else can get access to it anyway.
So it's always more fun that way.
Wait, how do I get that one? Like you don't, you don't get
that one. You're stuck.
So, but feel free to drop it. I'm doing my part on video here
right now because I'm trying to assemble, trying trying to put

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together the what's God, Why am I picturing the logo of the oh,
Starship Troopers? I'm doing my part.
I'm doing my part We're doing we're working on one of those.
It's just like a bunch of clips of people doing I'm doing my
part. So feel free if you'd like drop
ears now and it will be a part of that collection.

(02:12:12):
I'm doing my part. There you go.
Perfect. Nailed it. 11 take 1 take Yes,
it's it is a it is a special movie.
And yeah, yes, in that Paul Verhoeven Uevra that none can
replicate. I was like I don't know, 12 when
that movie came out I think. And fish tits when she takes off

(02:12:32):
her shirt and her face goes backlike a fish as hell.
Yeah, yeah. When you're 12, it's a special
moment when you're 12, I think it was.
What was that, 97? I was probably 14, I guess
somewhere 1314, somewhere aroundthere.
Yeah, pretty close to that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, 97. I would have been 12 or 13. 9798
somewhere in there. I remember.
I remember vaguely. I did not see it until college,

(02:12:53):
that I know that. Was Oh no, my very religious
aunt bought my cousin a copy on VHS or rented it and we were
watching it. She didn't know.
I don't know if she still knows.Like she was in the kitchen
cooking or something. Oh my God, that's hilarious.
No, that was my I graduated College in 3 1/2 years.
I had I had like AP and, and overloaded courses, so I just

(02:13:16):
wanted to get out early. And even my senior year I still
had like, I was like, oh, I got a cinematic studies class I
could take. So I just looked like a movie
watching class once a week for three hours.
And Starship Troopers was one ofour assignments for, from that
teacher, for that professor. Yeah, it was.
It was a special class. Yeah, I, I have a movie room in

(02:13:36):
my basement actually. Like videos and stuff.
I I collect too much stuff actually.
Hey, as long as you have space for it, it's fine.
As long as that was that, that was that whole, What was that?
That woman's name who was like, it must spark joy.
I'm like, yeah, it sparks joy. Don't worry about it.
Like, yeah, I got, I got plenty of that Lee that Lee
disappeared. Like you can't question sparking
joy for the stuff that I collect.

(02:13:57):
Like, oh, wait, does this spark joy?
Yes, I can tell you the exact memory and the reason why I have
that exact item. None of nothing is here by
accident. Yeah, that's I have a Virgil
head. I was at his funeral.
Oh my God. So like, I've met a lot of
wrestlers because of people connections.
I don't know if you know Mark Charles the Third or any
wrestling at all. Just just general cursory my my

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my knowledge is skipping a stone.
I'm out of time. Ray's.
Ray's the one who will be able to keep up better with that
part. Yeah, so Mark Charles drove
Virgil around and took care of him, and Tito Coco, all these
guys talked to him. So like, yeah, we went to his
funeral. That was weird.
Makes sense. Are are you always western PA or

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you? Yeah, yeah, I'm in katanning
like, which is like. 40 Oh yeah,you're you're half an hour 40
minutes from me yeah I'm in Cranberry Township so it's.
Just yeah, yeah, I go to Cranberry.
Yeah, I just came. I just came down from I was up
in Butler at your parents basement for twice today, oddly
enough with my son. So he, he, they do a I've never.

(02:15:03):
Been there. Oh, so it's a, it's a cool
little place. They do, they do a kids Dungeons
and Dragons game every other week that my son partakes in.
So he was there for that. Then I'd take him down to my
daughter's birthday party because like, so we, we ran him
back for that and he's like, I still want to play games and
stuff. I was like, fine, I'll take you
back up. No problem.
So we ran, ran back up in the guys areas.
I was like, I didn't know you were still running the same

(02:15:23):
shift on Sunday. But he's like, why are you back?
I was like, this is my life, man.
I don't know what to tell you, but that was it.
It is a cool place. If you ever, if you ever you're
not, you're what, only like 15 minutes from Butler proper,
right if it take. 3 minutes, something like that.
Oh, is it, is it that far? I didn't think it was that far.
It's, you know, it's always far.I realized we just drove to

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Altoona like an hour and a half away to go shopping Saturday,
yesterday. So oh God, hit up some carbs.
That's a painful ride from Was that like three, 22422,
something like that the whole way from from here?
Yeah, straight down towards Greensburg and then, yeah, you
get past Monroeville. I don't know if the roads are
called. Yeah, whatever.

(02:16:05):
I go through Apollo and then, yeah, hit the highway, go
straight down through Greensburgand.
I don't. I only know Apollo for one
reason. I knew somebody who lived there
and he told me their their claimto fame is that they are the
last Dairy Queen that uses that uses proper vanilla in their ice
cream, not. Probably.
Not artificial, they. Have historical nasers and it

(02:16:30):
has an awesome like beef sticks and stuff upstairs.
Sorry about that, Ray. I apologize.
I had muted, I muted the screen.I'm I'm here, I guess.
Cool. So anyway, so we're just
chatting Western PA in the the greater Butler County area and

(02:16:52):
the big Tuna over in Altoona. Let me hit that button here as I
do this still. I'm trying to think if there's
anything else while I while I hit a button here to make sure
that it doesn't get screwed up. I I just need to try not to.
Pronounce a language like. You do whatever.

(02:17:13):
I censor it, it's fine. OK.
Yeah, I just, it's I. Try to cut back on the square.
How do I pronounce your gamertag?
Oh, von Deen. Von Keen please.
That would have been like my 4thguess.
I'm glad I asked. Yeah, like Baron von Ratsky.
So I took the Von and Ed Gein. I took the last name for him.

(02:17:35):
There we go. That makes way more sense now.
Yeah. My actual gamertag's Batman von
Gein, but I cut Batman out so it, you know, copyright stuff,
yeah. Keep you out of trouble that
way. Yeah, Hell, I even got a
tattooed. I got Batman von Gein right
there. One moment.

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We talk about Red. We talk about Red Dead
Redemption. Original, right?
Yes. That's what I'm list.
All right, so I was making. I haven't played it in yeah, I
haven't played it in a long time, but I mean.
No, no typo from either of us, Ray.
That's the important part. That's that's making sure.
I'll just make it sure. Yeah, so I told them I brought,

(02:18:27):
I brought references like all the legit copies are beside me.
Oh, there. We go, all right, I think so.
I kind of ran down everything just about, you know, swapping
off and whatnot. I don't think there's anything

(02:18:49):
else as far as like prep or overview or anything good.
Do you have any questions for usabout anything else?
How this works like? Not really.
Like I said, the whole idea is to, to be painless for you.
So nothing, nothing. I think you can't handle doing
YouTube videos. So and if not, we have 7th grade
again, I, I jokingly say we have7th graders.

(02:19:10):
She did it, so it's it's perfectly fine.
Sorry, I should all right. I think I can do is go to 7th
grader. That one required a lot more
editing. I'm not going to sugarcoat it,
but we made an episode out of it.
So yeah, that's where that's where my my problem comes in,
not yours. So, yeah, I think that's that.
Ray, you good? You warned me, Warm man.

(02:19:32):
You. You ready to go?
I'm ready to go. Cool.
Well, Vanguin, if you're good, we'll leave a slight break in
here so I have a clean edit point.
Let me just double check everything and make sure say
hello again for me one more time.
Hello. Cool, Ray, you are.
You're there. Cool.
I'm here and we are all tracked.Tracked.

(02:19:58):
Tracked. Yeah.
OK, cool. I got nothing else.
So.