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Channel 3. Is the future
welcome crew to one of your 3A Channel 3 podcast that's not

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going to bother with the introduction.
This is our last recording of the year and Ray is Wheeling
over the soapbox now, so I'm just going to step aside.
This is our last recording of the year.
I've I'm learning this on the spot right now.
Yeah, we're, we're, we're not releasing episodes Christmas Day
and New Year's Day. This is not going to.
Happen, I guess. I guess that is true.
This is the last one I I would choose to guess because he he

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can be part of this conversationas well.
Yeah. Showtime, he's here.
What's going on? Showtime.
What's going on? I'm glad to be here, especially
for the last podcast. Last podcast of 2025 can we say
of? 2025 Jesus, what does?
Does it really of 20? Does it release 25 Dan?

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Does it? Does it release in 2020?
5 Dan. It will, it will release.
It will release, yes, the week of the week of recording.
And then we'll, then we'll be, we'll be tapping out.
That's it. We're not.
It will release. We're not releasing.
It's Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.
We're not doing that, no. Yeah, I know the the this this
year these landed around on Wednesdays.
That's why our last party night's coming up too.
Before we get into games. I only bring this up because Dan

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brought up to Showtime that at times I will do the podcast with
a giant 2 liter bottle of Pepsi because that's what they they
sell that with a pie at my at the main pizza place I go to.
But we've been trying out different pizza places because
we have a bunch of popping up all over here and one after
another, you know, New York style, New York style, authentic

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New York. One of them, you know, put
Authentico, they put an L at theend of it and all of a sudden
they think they're doing something special.
And it has been. We went to one yesterday or two
days ago. I mean, God awful tear.
Like not just like, eh, whatever, just eat it kind of
pizza. No, actively bad.

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Are we talking like? Dough consistency Are we
talking? The sauce?
Are we talking? The cheese.
Plan, is it not? The cheese plan, it's always,
it's always the sauce that's theproblem.
And and like, you know, again, there's a lot of whatever pizza
and whatever pizza is just fine.But this is like actively trying
to be bad. And to my wife, we need to have,

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listen, I'm not trying to get political.
We need to have a governing bodythat decides whether or not you
can use the phrase New York style pizza at your restaurant.
I want there to be like AI want there to be a panel.
You have to, you know, you have to go through a a set of courses
and and prove before you're allowed to write those words on

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your window advertised 'cause I can't keep doing.
This Are they doing it New York style pizza though?
Like is, is it a? Thing Yes, yes, yes.
It's New York style. It's legally terrible.
It just so it is New York style.It just sucks at it, that's all.
It just does not execute. There needs to be a level
though. There has to be a bar set if you
and it's like, and it doesn't have to be a high bar.

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It just doesn't can't taste likecrap.
It that's all you have to do. And but you can't, we can't just
let you can't just let everyone write New York style.
It's just it's not, it's not OK all the the amount of suffering
I'm doing eating this garbage pizza.
Well, just listen, your, your your issue has to just be with
the the you got to have whateveryour equivalent of a Michelin

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star rating system is like you need to.
You need to. Lock down the Zagat's system.
You need to lock down the Michelin system like you are the
pizza authority in the greater South Carolina region, like just
across the state. That's what you have to do.
Put out, you know, Ray's pizzas already taken.
I'm sorry that that's not an option to say Ray's Pizza, but

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some sort of like the the pizza.We need some quality control.
We need some quality control. I think I could start it.
I think I could like, you know, like a blue ribbon thing.
I would, I would go to the main place already.
I already know the place that would be like you get one by
default 'cause I know you're good and and just start hyping
it up, throw some ads out and can make people think this is a
real thing. Like I this is.

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I wonder how like. Ray's New York Style Quality
Control Commission. Something like that because the.
Except you're spelling ray differently, so that's good,
right? Because that Ray's pizzas RAY,
right? Yeah, yeah.
But you're not. You're not.
Here to sell pizza? You're here to judge quality.
I was. It's quality control.
I can't I can't see a trademark or a copyright issue with with

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Yeah, we're. Talking about low bar, too.
I'm not, we're not. You know I'm gonna let Dave
Portnoy go around and and judge.People, I'm talking about just
low. No, just.
That he picks the first one. He picks good pizza places.
Raritan, New Jersey. Best pizza ever rated, that's
what. It's really good too.
He's terrible. He, you know, he's, he's
bordering on criminal. He's the reason why you're

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dealing with the garbage. You are down there.
You know that, right? No, no, no, no.
Yes. He is.
He's inspiring these morons. Oh, if I put a little char on
it, I'm gonna make the pizza go.Down.
I wish. First of all, I I wish somebody
in South China will put just theslightest amount of char in
their pizza. He's just these.
Garbage adjectives. Stop it.
No, do not ever. Do you know the reference

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barstool? Do not ever reference Poor his
ratings again. His he's the ratings.
He's. A garbage human and his pizza
ratings are garbage. No, no, I agree with his pizza
ratings. I have.
I've eaten at a bunch of. That broken clock is right twice
a day, Ray. No, the ratings are pretty
decent. I've got, I've got a he's rated
a couple around me. I you know, the good ratings.

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I we went Bamchu and I went to one that was rated.
I'm sorry, he went to a good pizza place and said a good
pizza place is good. That's great.
Make him the authority for it. No, no.
He could be the authority. I'm going to be the low, I'm
going to be the low bar with thebar setter.
I listened to three of his reviews and I want to throw a
brick through my monitor trying to hear.
This as I talk. I just need the numbers.

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It was re. Rained.
The explanations on matter just give me the numbers.
So, you know, it's like, like when I check Metacritic, I just,
you know, give me a quick look at the numbers.
That's all. That's all.
I've I know I've I've I've derailed.
Like a a seal, a seal of just like ray approval I'm.
Telling. You the Nintendo seal instead of
like what a like for that British.

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Listen. And again, it's just, and again,
it's just the sauce. It's like, it's, it's amazing.
I tell you might as well just go, go to Walmart and buy a jar
of Rayo sauce and put that on your pizza.
It'll be better than the nonsense they're coming up with
here. We got we got sticker people all
ready to take care of. Well, we get we could get the
seals to happen right? The the sticker, the sticker can
happen easily. I could make we talk to Joel.

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We can lock the domain up. Here Channel 3 proved.
Just separate, separate, separate entity.
We don't want that heat coming down here.
Sponsored by Channel 3. You don't want that.
You don't want that Channel three sauce, pizza sauce.
Just like sending them out trying.
To no, I don't. I don't want to be equated to
that garbage organization at Barstool.
So no, that's, that's I don't want, I don't want that.

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You don't make it a privilege like you don't get the sauce.
I'm going to call, I'm going to call Dave up.
The New York Style Quality Control Commission.
It's it's, it's desperately needed it.
Five years ago it wasn't, but it's happening more and more.
Like 5 years ago it was just whatever places that sell pizza

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and it's like whatever you eat it, whatever we're here.
But we're these claims, the claims are going too far.
Showtime You want to watch me break Ray?
That's it. What do you?
What do you have right? Now, Ray, you, you're aware I
live in western Pennsylvania. Do you know an Ohio style Ohio
Valley style pizza is Ray? That's not a real thing.
Stop. Now do you know what that is?

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No, I don't know what that is. What is that?
Any any knowledge? Ohio balance.
I don't know really much about Ohio other than like, I guess
the kids use the word Ohio to kind of say it's bad these.
Days I I have I've heard that that I have.
Heard that's fair. So they take the pizza, they
bring it out hot, and they throwcold cheese and cold toppings on
top right. Oh, that nonsense.

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That's Ohio that does that. Yeah, and then Altoona is 2
hours, 2 1/2 hours away where they put American slices and and
slices of green pepper on top ofa some sort of Sicilian
monstrosity brick and they call that pizza.
I'm dealing with actual war crimes around me.
I'm sorry people are missing on the sauce and like you're trying

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to aim for New York style. And listen, to be fair,
sometimes I'm home and we have naan.
I'll I'll take naan, throw some sauce in it, and if I already
have sliced cheese, I'll throw some sliced cheese on it and
I'll eat it. Well, you're not selling.
You're not advertising this as God's gift pizza.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm like,I'm not picking.
You're making glorified lunchable in your case.

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Yes, it's good too. I heat it up, but my gosh.
And Dan straight up said you should be happy with the pizza
around you. He did.
My pizza's around me. And I listen, I've got one
place. I've got one place that would be
that would be like average. It would be like A5 in Jersey,

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maybe a 4.8 cause the LA is not doesn't have enough crunch.
That's like the biggest issue here.
But like, so I got a place, right.
But they get the cheese. They get the cheese.
Blend right 'cause there's places you don't understand.
Like what I'm finding. Well, there's a couple problems.
One, these amateur places, just try and put mozzarella on it and
that's it. Like no, you can't just go

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straight motz, that's not how you do it.
The second problem is pizza ovenaging.
Pizza oven aging is an art and you get these places that are
coming in and trying to use a new pizza oven that like just
their it. It's not their fault they need
40 years of garbage baked onto the oven.

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But I, I. Yeah.
So I got one place that I I go to, we eat.
I think it's amazing because I can golf cart there, so it's
wonderful. We enjoy it now.
We got real bougie. Never you just lost all your
credibility. You had, you just.
Lost. That's correct.
It was all. Lost in one freeze.
It's true when things warm up with golf cart all over the
place but that it's nice. I enjoy it but we just trying

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other places because they keep popping up.
Suck it for annoying your fanboys, I don't care.
One disappointment after another.
We're not we're not here to to go barstool again.
Suck at Portland, suck at your stupid little fanboy cult,
Right. We're going to talk games.
Oh, wait, that's my job now I got to jump in here.
Did you you actually introduced yes, Showtime and all that.

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And I said yes, GGS Showtime show.
OK. Not yes, not yes, Showtime, but
yes, Showtime, Showtime. I haven't asked you because I
was busy talking about pizza andmy and my really niche issues.
How'd we come up with the gamertag?
Yeah, Showtime. Oh man, so well, I'm old enough

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to I mean, I know you guys are old enough to, but in on the
Internet or just joining get stuff, signing up for things.
I I come from a time where you would just pick random and
different names. You wouldn't stick with a name
throughout your entire career ofjust the one single name.
I was never one of those guys and my gamertag in its current

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form for Yeah short time comes from an intro from a dead or
alive character that I played, which is Tina.
Tina has when she comes out, shesays yeah, Showtime and Dead or
Alive Five. I was a Tina Mane and that's
when I changed the character or my name too.
That character, just the intro. That's that's it.

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That's nothing. There's nothing more complicated
about that. I mean, I go by many other
names, but that's that's it. Once I rolled with that for for
a while, that was it. So there's nothing more special
about that. And then the the picture that I
use is a little icon. It's one of those original Xbox
360 dead or alive icons that can't default with the game.
It's just that because that's when I want to say when

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Microsoft was serious about the better alive and kind of other.
I don't know who knows what my son does.
Now. But shout out to the Get Played
podcast for having their immemorial segment today and
announcing the death of the XboxSeries S and Series X as a part
of their immemorial section for the year.
Gunned down in his prime. Calling it already.

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Damn, this gun. Gun's down in his prime.
That's early. It's over.
It's a comedy podcast. What are you going to do
Showtime We're we've done, we'vedone the pizza bit.
I, I look forward to Ray's New York style quality control seal
of approval. I fully support, I fully support
this endeavour. I would like to represent your

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wing in Western Pennsylvania. I have one location called
Goodfellas in Zelienople that that gets that seal.
I'm not sure anyone else will out here, but that's my that's
my 1 and I hope they never closeRay.
We're not here to talk that though.
I wish you well in that endeavour and I support you
here. For you I I I wish your
satellite. I'll let you know how it goes.

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But we're here to talk 3 game, Showtime picked, and we pick a
Totemic game to start off with Final Fantasy 7.
Not Rebirth, not Remake, not Integrate, not whatever they're
going to call Part 3 or disc. Maybe they just call it disc
three, maybe they just call it disc three.
I don't know. Integrate is the Switch 2
version right well. Integrate is like the.

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They got their own name. It's like the game of the year.
It's like for Mansion Pack to remake, it's like what they I
guess the remake vanilla had itsown iteration and then when the
PS-5 hit, they're like, well, let's put it on the PS-5, update
the graphics and give you integrate and.
A little bit of slight, some some slight extra content.
Content. That's it.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake integrateofficially releasing January

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22nd. But we're not here to talk.
We're not here to talk those though.
Showtime. You're here to talk.
Yours. Your version.
Yeah, which I now have to call. I have to say like Final Fantasy
7 OG. Yeah.
No, no, just. Final Fantasy 7, Yeah, I like to
say Final Fantasy 7. And when I write it, I still
like to write the seven because when I first got into Final

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Fantasy 7, my first iterate, I didn't even know Roman numerals.
I didn't. I couldn't even tell you that I
was about like 9 or 10 I think. I didn't play it at launch.
I didn't know what it was. I wasn't there asking my mom or
anything in 1997 for it. I didn't own a PlayStation.
So how did I get the game? Well, it was one of those things

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where I have a cousin, he has a PlayStation and before this just
to kind of, I have, I feel like you can't just jump in.
It's like the first game I ever played was Final Fantasy 7.
I had to do kind of like a brief.
I started playing games you. Just like went raw into Final
Fantasy. Yeah, that first video game.
I ask people this, these questions all the time.

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I'm obsessed with the, the orderin which people play like what
Final Fantasy they, they played first 'cause I wanted, I feel
like that's the biggest impact on them.
And that's no surprise. It's, it's my first, but I
played games on the nest. I didn't play Final Fantasy 1 on
the nest. I didn't have that.
I, I kind of inherited a bunch of nest games.
I had about 40 nest games from afamily member I played.

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I played a lot of games I play like the Super Mario brothers
with the duck hunt combination game.
I had battle toads. I put hair in your chest early
night. I had a lot of games I had.
Ninja guy that answers that question for me now.
I had, I had, I had Legend of Zelda, I had Adventure to Link,
which I definitely, by the way, when I was a kid playing these

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games, I'm like about 5 years old.
Like, I'm not beating any of these games.
These games are not hard, OK? They're really hard.
I'm not beating them, as I said.Before Zelda 2's like nightmare
fuel if you're 5. Like you're going to just die
and get anger. Game over screen.
Which I will say the first game I remember beating was Kirby's
Adventure on the Nest. That was the first game I ever
beaten in my life so and I was still little when that happened.

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And it was a surprise to me thatI even saw credits.
I didn't know games could be beaten really when that.
That's impressive for the end ofthat game.
That's not an easy end of the game.
I mean, dude, if you beat any nest game back then when you
were a kid, I like what what is that like?
I, I didn't like what? I don't know what that is.
I feel like now I look back, I'mlike, yeah, no wonder I passed
it. It was like one of the easier
ones but. Kirby's like no you didn't.

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Nightmare unleash. Yeah, so after that I'm still
really little. It's not like I have enough
knowledge in my brain to even ask my parents about what's
relevant or what's later on or what, what, what else I could
get or anything like that. My dad bought a, a Genesis so
and I don't, I didn't ask for it.

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It was a Christmas one year. It was great.
I had AI had like a handful of games, but I, I didn't own a
Super Nintendo, so I didn't miss.
I didn't get to play Final Fantasy 3 or 6 or 4.
You know which has been 2 and 3.Whatever.
Yeah, whatever you want to call them for us, yes. 3/62 slash.
Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

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Yeah, I, I didn't get to play those.
I had a cousin that did have them, a Super Nintendo and I got
to play like Donkey Kong Countryone and two, I got to play a lot
of good Super Nintendo games, not like you would if you owned
the console. But I was just like, man, I'm
really digging these Super Nintendo games more than these
Genesis games. But he had a lot more games.
I only had the the handful of Genesis games that I had and

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which were great. Don't get me wrong.
I did like whatever I had. I had like basically like like
Sonic 2. I had Sonic Knuckles.
I love that game. I had vector man.
I had echo the dolphin and I hadlike that power Ranger build up
game. So but by the time time goes on,
time goes on, time goes on, the N64 rolls out.

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I'm all in the N64. I haven't.
I think I'm around, man. I'm like 8.
I think when this console comes out maybe, and it's basically at
launch, for the most part, I getthe console.
It's the first console I could kind of have the memory of
asking for and dreaming about and all this sort of stuff.
And I got to play all of the game.
The great kind of staples of theN64.

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I played Super, Super Super Mario 64.
I I'm beating these games out now too.
I I may be awkward of time I beat Banjo Kazooie.
I'm playing like obscure weird games that I have a Goldeneye
Star Fox 64. I played the Cayman and Conquer
game which. Running down hits right here,
Ray. This is like terrible in

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retrospect, but like at this point in time, like when I look
back in retrospect, I'm like, wow, I, I played a lot of stuff
like, but then here comes I'm just at my cousin's house.
He has the PlayStation. I'm here to just play games.
I'm like, whatever games were. I just, I always loved games
like wherever it was. And he had a stack, he had a
stack of like 5 games and we're,we wanted to play two player

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games 'cause it's like we, you have a friend over.
It's like one of the rare times we can actually kind of hang out
and. Where's that battle arena
tosched in at Showtime? Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, that's, I feel like, what is that Japanese
import or something? I'm not.
I don't know if I. Just remember from the demo
dish, that's all I remember. Something like that.
Yeah, like so we were playing Twisted Metal, I think if my my

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correct, and he has that that stack of games and on it I see
the coveted just the cover of Final Fantasy 7 and instantly
when I see that I'm like, what is that game?
What is that the? Beatles White Album on video
games. Basically, yeah, I don't, I
have, no, I, I don't know anything.
I just see that cover with clouds staring up at Midgard

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with like holding the the hilt with the the sword.
And I'm like, which I don't knownothing about.
And he's just like, Hey, I, I just my mom gave me this game.
I tried it. It's not very good.
And it's a one player game. And like, I just believed my
cousin. I'm like, well, obviously we
want to have a good time together and we don't, we don't
really, we kind of had this kindof mutual like, OK, we want to

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play two player games together. And he said the single player
game, I'm not going to argue with it.
Boom, done. And that was it.
I didn't need to hear anything about it afterwards and it
probably took a couple months later until we had the next get
together. The same thing kind of happens
and but this time things changed.
He's like, I played the game, I played it a lot and this game's

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really good. Basically, I don't know,
whatever. I don't think our language was
like that back then, but he basically conveyed to me this
game's amazing and you should play it.
And my cousin's a couple years older than me.
I think he was like 3 years older than me and I start to
play the game with him a little bit, but he's he wants to watch
me play it and I'm playing it and we don't get to play for

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very long. We get to just like kind of hang
out for the day. But he does this amazing thing
that I can't believe he would have done because it would have
been bonkers in my mind to do because I was really like
selfish, I guess with my games and I wasn't letting kids borrow
my game systems. Whatever he gives, he let, he
said take my PlayStation, take the games and go home and play
it and like by the next couple three months or whatever, tell
me how it is. And I, I'm at this point I'm

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like, you can't take this back. I I want to do this and he lets
me do that. So then I get to play Final
Fantasy 7 as someone who can only have one console like cuz
you know, you can't just ask parents for multiple consoles
back there. That's like, no that.
You got a sense of military campif you even considered asking
for a second console, yeah. Yeah, just begging your parents

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for systems are crazy because then they're like, what do you
mean? I bought you the last system.
Why do you need this one like orthis new one?
So it was already you basically were secluded from birthdays and
Christmas and you're only going to get a couple games for
whatever you're going to get. So I get to play Final Fantasy 7
and it is, man, I look back at it just, oh, by the way, I had a

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Game Boy Color, so I had played Pokémon Red and blue.
These, these, those games kind of taught me how to read.
I remember the first kind of consciousness I had where I'm
like actively reading the game and and going, wow, I'm reading
and I'm and it was a conscious moment.
So you had your first turn basedgame too, so you knew you had
the idea of how turn based stuff's going to look.
Yeah, I guess so, though I guessI didn't know it was a turn

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based game at the time because Iwas going to say when we first
played seven, I had that that moment where I'm like, yeah, why
can't we move around when we fight?
Why what is this? The cycling through the menus is
something I hadn't really, I didn't understand that was going
to be like that because like it's Pokémon is just.
A You and my dad, he's. A Game Boy game.

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Yeah, like I didn't know how this was going to be at all.
And then also like all the othersettings that you could kind of
go in there and and change the speed of the active battle and
all that sort of stuff. I didn't know about any of
those. So it's like I'm playing like
the normal stock way possible. And so I play through the game
and then there's when I, this is, what's the craziest thing

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about it is that it's like, so Ican, it's like I just came
online as a human being and now I'm tackling this story and I
have enough comprehension to do it.
And there's nothing else like itthat I, that I experienced like
not like a movie, nothing like this where I'm getting bombarded

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with like these type of heavy concepts because I'm, because
I'm comprehending what's going on.
And what's crazy to me now is like, I could not go to, I had
no adults in my life that reallyplayed video games.
They had no interest in video games.
Mom and dad, No, not at all. I couldn't go to them and be
like, Oh yeah, look at the crazybombing mission.
I just did. I couldn't explain anything to

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them. They had no interest.
So it's like I was like isolatedwith this game and having to
tackle it with the, the comprehension of a 910 year old
that I had or like whatever, like whatever mental capacity
that I had. So this was like wild.
And then I didn't have, it's wild to me now, at least looking
back on it. And I don't, I didn't have like
the Internet. I wasn't using the Internet to

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look up games. It wasn't, we had like, you
know, AOL 56 Ki was using it. But even then it wasn't like,
oh, you know what? I'm stuck on this part.
You know, the first thing I'm going to do is look this up
online. That was not a thing that
occurred to me as a kid. Well, there there was.
You had 175 page guide. You had to buy for it and there
and like Google wasn't a thing. Yahoo wasn't there.

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You couldn't just type I'm stuckat this part of Final Fantasy 7
either. Like there was you could do that
now might like my kid will ask me.
He's like, what do I do from here?
Like he was stuck in Minish cap earlier and I'm like, OK, he's
here in Minish cap and boom, here come the results from
Google. Like no, you couldn't do that.
Yeah, and that's the other thingtoo, that like the, the amount
of time I I played the game, like it wasn't like, yeah, I, I

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felt like this went on forever. Like this was the longest like
form of media I had ever even tried to like go through.
So like towards the tail end of the game, like when I like
basically finished with her beating it at that point.
Then me and my cousin, we were like looking stuff up and trying
to beat the, the Super weapons and everything, like the, the

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Super bosses of the game becausewe couldn't beat them.
But there's, there was a lot of points in the game eventually.
Like I, I wasn't able to beat that game like vanilla with my 9
year old braid. Like there was like that one
part where you're trying to get past the Midgard Zola and the
snake into The Cave. I didn't know what to do.
Like I'm fighting this thing, just getting crushed and not
knowing I'm like, should I trainsome more?

(25:46):
And I'm like trying to level up getting crushed still.
And like my cousin too, when this happened, I called him on
the phone. He's like, you're not going to
be able to beat that guy. You can't beat him.
So he he, he, he gave me those tips like to on the on like that
part specifically, I remember. But yeah, like this kind of time
where I, I wonder often like manis, is 7 really so great?

(26:09):
Or was it this kind of struggle,this memorable struggle with the
medium that was kind of up and coming where you're I was,
you're like forced to to to go into it like head on is, is that
also key to the memorable experience or whatever?
Because like not a day goes by where I'm, I just don't think
about this game. Somehow, someway, it just just
happens. I could talk about it forever,
but. Yeah.

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It was it was literally a religious experience for you.
He had your cousin came and and made sure that you were
converted and that was that was it.
Did you end up did you end up buying it yourself?
Was it? It was purely just you had the
three months where this thing was somehow yours from your
cousin. And when you sat there staring.
At walls I guess like. What?

(26:53):
Well, I, I had plenty of time. That was the thing.
We didn't get to see each other very often.
So I had it for like 3 months and I gave it back to him,
whatever. And it's like that was, I knew I
had a time slot. I knew also somehow I'm like,
man, that's like, there's no game that I know that can last
three months. Like, what is this?
And so when I finished it, it was like, I got to do everything

(27:15):
I can try to do because I got togive the, the game back.
And then once I did, I was stilllike thinking about the game.
And I found out later. I, I so like the, the, the nest
that I inherited as a kid. There, there was two family
members that got into the Legendof Zelda on the nest and they
passed it. They kind of had, I don't know,

(27:36):
they were collaborating with each other when they played the
game, but one of those family members, they continued playing,
they got a PlayStation and they also got Final Fantasy 7.
And I, when this, I didn't know,I, I said for the first time
when I had consciousness of, of the game, when I looked at it,
I, I actually do have the memoryof like walking in when she's

(27:57):
playing the game and she was at the, the Don Canaro part of the
game. So I, I didn't know though, and
I didn't know what a PlayStationwas when this happened.
So I had a family member that did play it.
But she like the, the switch to 3D, like really just like could,
she was like a, she played Link to the past, like up and down

(28:19):
forever. And when she got to 3D games
with Ocarina of Time and like 7,she had the game guides.
She just couldn't, couldn't handle it.
I guess she just kind of quit the game and stopped playing it.
But I did have, I forgot about that.
I did have a glimpse of that. And it was, I bring it up
because my, my aunt, she, she was very confused by the

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Japanese. She was a older lady.
We're thinking like Boomer. Why is there an anime boy with a
big sword on that TV? It was worse than that.
It was worse than that. She, she, she had a mouth on
her. She swore like a sailor.
I remember her saying disparaging mean things about
the Japanese and why Cloud was dressed as a woman.
I do remember this. They, they were, they were

(29:01):
things. I can't say during that scene
'cause they're also like, that'sthe brothel weird scene.
She was upset. I remember she was upset and I
did not know why. I did not know.
Why, of course, that's when youraunt walks in too.
That's perfect. No no no that was her
experience. I was a kid that just looked
what was happening. I was like why is my aunt
cussing at the screen when she played?
I I didn't know, but then I I later on I found out.

(29:25):
Moving on, she. Had guide she she tried to play
so I basically inherited game guides after from her before
when it was when it was all saidand done when I already
basically experienced it. So but yeah, like the man I
could I could literally talk about it forever.
There's so many things unique toto seven that that were kind of

(29:47):
like those. What do you call it?
It's like the the weird personalexperiences that it's like.
It's those core memories to borrow from inside out, where
you're just like forming, forming memories that impact
everything from here forward. Yeah, I remember the first
experience that I had. I named the character, so I
named Cloud myself and then every other character I came

(30:11):
across like I named him like a friend that I knew.
So when people would ask me about the game, I actually
didn't know the real characters names.
I named him I'm. Sorry, Laura.
I'm sorry I got you killed. Like I knew who I knew who Cloud
was. I knew who, but that was
basically it. When I remember like in the room
and my cousin, we would just we would call the characters, the
people we named. And it was a little confusing

(30:33):
because we named them different people.
Well, we kind of knew how who else we named them.
But that was another weird funnypart where only like maybe later
on and I'm like, OK, I got to match up the real names for
these characters because I namedthem.
We didn't. We just that was it.
You saw their name one time and then you deleted their name and
then put in your name. So that was like another funny
experience. What else to go on?

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I the the villain of Sephiroth. Man, this dude, this guy we, we
talked about this guy, we imagined Sephiroth like he was
like a murderous kind of like, Idon't know, I don't want to say
Freddy Krueger, but like maybe like just like a dude that could
just like walk. Into your room.
Almost kind of like almost like the Undertaker kind of like in

(31:17):
like WWE type stuff where like you could see every like he has
like a heavy set every boot. He kind of like clanks when he
walks in. And so it's like just just open
the door and he's going to murder everyone in the room.
Like we kind of thought like, dude, this guy is crazy.
And I just remember just thinking like now when I look
back in retrospect, what they'vedone to Sephiroth, I'm like,

(31:38):
bro, they turned him into like aweird like anime boy band dude.
I'm like, dude, this is not how we imagined him back then.
We thought he, this guy was like, like way more hardcore.
So I don't know, that's a weird thing.
To think about, did you go into the expanded Final Fantasy 7
like Advent Children and all that?
Yeah, that's I can go. I could do that forever, man.

(31:58):
Like, yeah, I, I, I was going tosay like, I was going to say
like, I. Could not, yeah.
So Advent Children, as soon as Iknew this was coming out or
whatever this is, I'm much more accustomed to the Internet.
Internet. I don't know how many years it
came out after that, but we werereally receptive of like, oh
man, like this is the CG is out of this world.

(32:20):
I was on the website, I was looking at everything and the
website was was dope. I remember being like, oh man,
it's all Japanese. And I remember it leaked online.
I downloaded this, I'm watching this and like I was smart enough
to get a hold of it, but I couldn't apply the subtitles.
So I watched it fully, not knowing anything, just listening
to it in Japanese and just beinglike damn, just like my mind's

(32:41):
blown. And then like afterwards I'm
like, I figured out how to watch, like apply the subtitles
to it. I think this was like Divvix or
something back then it was old then I watched.
Those up, but just be careful still.
Man, this was a million years ago, but yeah, sure, I watched
this. Yeah, I thought it was dope at
the time. I thought it was really cool.

(33:02):
Nothing like it. No, see, you know, we did have
that moment where Final Fantasy Spirits of the Within burned us.
We did go to theaters thinking because of our experience with
Seven, we thought that was goingto be somehow a good movie.
And we did get crushed by that. But I watched every promotional
item they had available for thatShowtime.
Everything I I digest as much asI could for that movie.

(33:25):
I was ready for it. Yes, we, we just like popped in
the theater. We're like, oh man, Final
Fantasy 7, this better be good. And we were like, what the hell
was that? What are these space ghosts?
What is this? Why are they in a space state?
Yeah, I don't know. I still want to go back again.
It's been it's been at least 10 years.
I think I wandered back in at some point when my kids were

(33:47):
young. I was in a like a fever dream.
I haven't watched it since I I want to.
I remember the CG being good andthat's the the only.
Thing for the time especially, it was great, yeah.
Yeah, I I don't think it would hold up, but I mean, that's
maybe something I have to go back to.
But yeah, like Advent Children, OK, Yeah, we liked it at the

(34:08):
time. The later games that would come
out. I I'm since I'm like a Final
Fantasy 7 fanboy when the, when like Crysis core was on the, the
PSPI was like I got to get APSP.I, I did, I did buy I did play.
I, I man, I, I think I, it was alittle bit later.

(34:30):
I played a lot of it, but like, I was like, man, this is not
good. Like I didn't I, it wasn't
vibing with it. I didn't like it.
And the I'm trying to think the order of what what happened
because I can't remember if Kingdom Hearts came out before
that because I played Kingdom Hearts.
Beforehand. I I thought Kingdom Hearts was
the bomb. I was like, oh man, because I
had played the Final Fantasy games at least 7-8.

(34:54):
I didn't play 9 at the time and I played 10.
So I was like, aw man, I'm rightat home and I so I played Crisis
Core a little bit. I didn't finish it.
And then after this I'm just like, man, things are just
getting. I didn't play dear to Cerberus
and at this point things just start like unraveling and like

(35:14):
man, I'm just like, I guess the type of fan that I guess I'm too
old school or whatever. I was just like, oh man, it's
just the OG for me. There's too many weird stuff
that seemed to bother me. And like Zach particularly, I
felt that him being a more enigmatic kind of barely don't
know anything about him. And the OG really emphasized it

(35:38):
really brought depth to the world that like, you know, the
seriousness that it had, Like hewas just a normal person, a
regular guy and he guys got caught up and he spoiler alert
or whatever. And it's been like 25 years or
whatever. But yeah, that guy just gets
like merked for no reason. Like barely just trying to
escape the. Reason he didn't see him in
seven, Yeah. Yeah, and then in crisis core,
he's like a weird shown in superover the top like hey, let's go

(36:00):
guys like I I just kidding. I was like, what is this man?
This is turning in. This is not.
I like the seriousness that the world kind of had that seven
that seven had initially at least.
But yeah, so but I'll, I still try it like that's the bad thing
about like the kind of fan. I even though I'm like, this
isn't that good, I'll still likebuy the stuff.
I'll still try to go through it to some degree and then I'll

(36:22):
fall off. I I did they they had like a
novel they released. I think there's like more than
one. There's like on the way to a
smile and there's like this new book that they kind of had.
I tried to read this and they they tried to tie this into
remake, but man, there's like too many weird.
They literally named Tifa's cat Fluffy.
I'm like, I got to put this bookdown.
No, I know it's official merchandise.

(36:43):
I'm done. Like it's over.
I was. I was.
So the first half of that first half of that sentence had me
concerned, and I'm glad it did not go where I was afraid.
Well, yeah. But anyway, I guess 7, so 7 like
had this crazy impact. I had that very common.
I I guess kind of, I guess impact or impression where it's

(37:06):
like, Oh, then you beat that game, you're like, this is the
best game ever. What?
There's a new game, There's Final Fantasy 8.
And then I had that experience of playing 8 and being like, Oh,
this isn't a continuation. This is a totally different
game, totally different vibe. And you're just like kind of
just have to, you have to wrestle with that.
And in retrospect, I kind of think like, man, how are you

(37:27):
going to follow up with like to seven with another game?
Like what were you supposed to do?
Like you had to make something distinct enough to do that.
It's like, I'll give the guy a gun blade.
Like that's why I think that's my theory as to why the gun
blade's so wacky and weird. It's like they're like, man, how
do we follow this up? So I played A2 and it was like,
Ah, man, this is this is definitely not the prior game.

(37:51):
But in retrospect, I like a, like as an adult, like I grew up
like a fine wine or whatever, but it wasn't like a, it
definitely was jarring. And also my, my little kid mind
my, my 10 year old, 11 year old or whatever.
And I played eight. Like I was like, man, the, the
percentages and just how, how the system is.
I thought the junction system and everything was too

(38:12):
complicated. I was like, aw, man, I guess I'm
not smart enough yet. I got to go back to seven so.
It was not. It was not a perfectly designed
system, to be clear for that. So you you were not wrong.
Yeah, and I think a lot of people had had similar things.
Now I look back and I'm like, man, 8's really good.
I I like 8 as an adult, but maybe it like, I think maybe the

(38:35):
fine wine analogy is the the apartment 1.
So I played, but yeah, I played seven.
There's so many things that thatthat seven had and laid the
groundwork. It really was that first RPG for
me and it and it spread the lovefor RPG.
So after that I'm, I'm looking to for anything where it just
has three guys in a battle system with with that take

(38:57):
turns. I'm like, is there anything like
this? Because I got to play it.
And what's weird is I got to play Super Mario RPG afterwards
and I thought that game was amazing as well, but I still
stayed I, I, I thought that Final Fantasy was like the cream
of the crop. So I tried to just stay within
that if I, if I had the chance. But yeah, I, I didn't dive into

(39:21):
super, super obscure like JRPGS afterwards.
I was still playing other games if possible, but yeah.
So we finished, we, we figured out RPGs and then we said, Hey,
let's, let's, let's handle another genre here.
And we got Halo 2. And I mean, I, I look at Halo 2

(39:46):
and I, and I think, I think of two things.
It's always the pop of my head. One is, you know, Xbox Live,
Xbox Live multiplayer, get, get yourself that $60.00 for gold
for a year. And I think of dual wield
needlers. It's just, it's just two things
that popped my head. Well, I think of Halo 2.
Man, dual wield leaders are trash.

(40:08):
They're not very good. I just can't be enter great.
Can't enter? Great.
But they look great. That's true, that's true just do
a wielding is like Oh man, but with Halo two since I started my
first real FPS since I since I didn't have I wasn't like old
school enough to have like APC like on my PC was family
computer. You know we're barely getting

(40:29):
online towards this time I'm I am playing computer games and
starting to play some of this stuff, but it start.
I played Goldeneye first. That was my first real FPS on
the N64. And like the, the amount like
the just being able to play for,for players and that, that that
was already amazing. And me as being a little kid,

(40:49):
I'm like village champ. You know, I'm like I'm beating
my dad, I'm beating anyone that comes over, I'm going to
someone's house, I'm beating them.
So just the idea of this multiplayer game of being
online, that's not PC 'cause like I know Counter Strike and
this that existed. No, this was console.
Console, PC. We're like, we're two different
worlds. Yeah, they were, they were.

(41:11):
And like my, my, the ones I because I we did get APC that
didn't ran that great, but I wasplaying like Diablo two.
I was playing like StarCraft andso like I still I wasn't going
to I wasn't playing FPS. And so when Halo 2 finally
arrived, I kind of skipped Halo one because I didn't have an
Xbox that you, that's kind of key.

(41:32):
And I had to wait kind of I at this point in time in this
generation, I broke the rule. I broke the one console rule,
'cause I, I had Game Cube 1st and then I got an Xbox.
And the reason why is 'cause my dad was really into this idea of
going online and he really likedHalo.

(41:53):
So he was kind of like a weird fudging of like, yeah, let's but
let's get the Xbox though. So we got the Xbox.
I, I played Halo one. This is like 2001 this.
So I kind of skipped out or wait, what I I can't I always
forget what the you know, it hasto be 2001, I believe for Halo,
Halo 2. So I I didn't play Halo one

(42:17):
really combat of all. I played it a little bit like
inside people's houses or whatever, but it's like get the
Xbox, get Halo 2. It comes out in November.
I get it for Christmas. I beat the game on legendary and
I'm online by January and I havelike that wireless.
I'm not even connected with the with with the actual Ethernet
cable. I'm bad.
I don't know anything about how the vadnais of wireless and I'm

(42:38):
playing online and I don't know if if you guys were there if you
experienced the the original Halo two days, but Halo 2 had a
1V1 mode range in the beginning.It was called head to head and I
was playing this and I was just destroying my my initial
experience is like I'm destroying everybody.
I'm the greatest gamer to ever live.
I'm so good. And then eventually you come

(43:01):
across the guy that's better. Than you the.
Guy that crushes you. I still remember his name to
this day and he was like a kid. He he popped into the mic and he
said to me when he crushed me too, he he it was like it was
like first to 10, I believe the head head head was and I
remember just like 2 to 10 or something like that get crushed
and he was on the mic and he wasjust like, you're just not that

(43:22):
good kid. And I just remember being like,
and he was another kid my age too.
It sounded like. And I just remember being like,
I just had like that moment of silence, like.
Yeah, maybe I'm not that good. Yeah, I'm not that.
Good and that. Yeah, exactly.
And then I'm like, I got to keepplaying.
So at that point I'm like playing more, I'm fighting more
people that are, that are just as good as me or better than me.

(43:43):
And at that point it was like onI was like, I this is like, man,
my next couple years has now been defined.
I I don't know how this happened, but this is now how
it's happening. I'm playing this game.
I'm I'm get like they adventure and like it's it's sort of
rudimentary. If you remember like it has the
people are standbying, they're cheating.

(44:03):
And so you can only get to a high enough rank in a skillful
way without someone abusing the host function or like standbying
or whatever it was back then. You could get, I feel like you
could get legit to like a like a38 back then.
If anyone remembers the ranks and you're really good.
I thought, I thought if you could get to that point.
So I'm playing Halo 2 like crazyand like a lot of people are

(44:27):
into the game. As far as I know.
And locally, I was the best person that I, I knew and none
of my friends, they loved the game, but they were, they didn't
take it as serious as I did. So, but I started to get really
frustrated at losing on a, on a team that seems sometimes I'd
carry the team. Or if you, if you, you can't win
and your team doesn't do good orsomeone feeds kind of or like

(44:49):
dies a lot. You look at their, their KD and
you're like, damn, like, what isthis?
Like, can you really just continue playing this game
without a team? I was like, maybe I can find a
team. I mean, I couldn't.
So I, I had this weird existential moment where I was
like, I'm tired of making excuses for the team.
What else can I do? And at this point I looked and I

(45:10):
I only knew about fighting gamesjust kind of as a kid in
arcades, like I knew about like I had interest in like and
Mortal Kombat 1 and 2 and just like Street Fighter.
But these were just like other games that you just popped in
and played in the CPUI had missed the golden arcade
experience of people just being able to go to arcades and

(45:31):
driving there and having real competition.
I didn't have that. It was it was kind of over at
that time. So I saw an I think some sort of
a show on G4 Tech TV. Do you do you remember this?
G4 yes. G-4G Four had something where
they talked about Dead or Alive and when this happened I looked

(45:53):
at what I was like, whoa, fighting games.
OK, what fighting games exists on the Xbox?
And I think at the time they hadStreet Fighter Anniversary, but
I didn't know it. So I found out Dead or Alive 2
Ultimate was online. It was the only fighting game
that I think it was online or the Xbox.

(46:16):
So I'm like, man, I'm going to play a game where it's A1B1 and
if I lose. It's on you.
It's my fault, it's on me 100%. If I win, I reap all the
rewards. I'm the best, I'm cool or
whatever. So I'm like, I'm going to play
this game. I I, so I don't know anything
about dead or alive and I think I, so I guess around the launch,

(46:37):
dead or alive 3 had come out. I don't know about dead or alive
3. Dead or alive Ultimate was a
combination of dead or alive 1 and dead or alive 2.
That was kind of a more advancedport that actually puts in some
characters. I put in Hitomi from Dead or
Alive 3 into the game. So it was like the best version
of Dead or Alive 2 and arguably more advanced than Dead or Alive
3, arguably, I guess. And it had online.

(47:00):
That was the key really important thing and I jump onto
this game and I have like, I think I'm really good at Halo 2
and I found out I can't press buttons.
I can't do combo, I can't do punch, punch, forward punch,
kick. I can't do that.
And when? I'm online.
Strings. Still, those are like.
Yeah, they got strings. Combo strings in Dead or Alive.

(47:23):
I had that those that, that kindof experience of I'm fighting
someone I don't know, like the mechanics of a by the way, it's
a 3D fighter. So there's, it's different than
the 2D kind of thing. And I I've struggled like
they're like, I'm not like, hey,you got to let's just for
example, just do that punch, punch forward punch, kick in the
in the scramble, don't forget about it.

(47:43):
I can't do it. And in training mode I'm like, I
realized like, yeah, I just kindof mash and go crazy and I can't
control myself. I just, I just hit all these
buttons and I had to count. Like I don't even know how.
I'm like there's three punches, there's a four punch, there's a
kick. I have to count.
I'm like punch, punch, punch, forward, punch, kick.
I had to mentally I'm like, I'm like, you don't know how to

(48:04):
press buttons. Well, because sometimes the
animations don't fit when you don't fight in those fighting
games, right? Like you, you have to push them,
and then you have to kind of wait for your character to do it
for the game to realize you've done it and then push the next
plan, right? Almost like you push it four
times. You see three hits have
happened. You've pushed it four times
because the game's like, sorry, no, you did four.
It was supposed to be 3. Now you start over again.

(48:27):
That's true. That's the whole getting used to
it too. Dead Alive has this, they call
it delayed strings too. So once you get really good and
someone kind of knows the stringyou're going to do, you do
punch, punch and you can, there's a buffer room.
You can you, you don't have to do it as fast as it comes out.
And that's so then you can bait out counters.
You can do stuff like that. But even then, if you sit in
training mode and you do punch, punch board, punch kick and you

(48:49):
look at the animations and you do it 10 times in a row or
whatever, you're like, OK, now I'm in a match.
All that went out the window. I cannot do it.
I still messed it up. Whatever.
It took lots of time and training where I actually felt
in my mind I can hit buttons now.
For real. I spent all this gaming time in
my life and I can't do punch punch Ford punch kick.
Are you kidding me? Like live in the match.

(49:11):
This is my moment where I was like I'm.
What have I been training for? Yeah, like what is this?
Like I was like and then I had like, 'cause I had AI was little
or actually at this point I'm like a teenager.
I'm like 15/16/2014 ego on me. I'm like, I'm like a I'm like
village champ. I beat all my friends.
Anytime they bring someone over,I beat them and like anything.

(49:32):
So I just I just think I'm good at stuff.
That's what Xbox Live made you think it's like, yeah, actually
there's people that are really good.
So dare live and then I don't know anything about fighting.
So I'm like, Dang, I can't I can't press buttons.
Aw man. So I spent you can kind of do
the math a little bit. The, the, the format that they
did was like it's like first to two each match, maybe at the

(49:53):
most. And they don't they can, you can
die really fast. That'd be like 30 seconds per
round. And it's first 2-3 rounds you
win the match. And by the end of Dead Air Live
Ultimate, I'd played probably around 2630 thousand matches and
I had like a 30% win rate. Like I'm just, I just lose like
this. That took so much losing to get

(50:14):
good at this game. And there's A and then this is
the weird kind of thing where you're introduced to a community
of some kind. I had at this point, you know,
I'm going on the Internet and whatever they had a forum, it
was called DOA Central. And all the best players and
people in the DOA community, they, they, they congregated
this forum and you find out who is the best at which character,

(50:35):
who was who, if there was any tournaments, which was pretty
local. And by the way, when it comes to
the fighting game community, Dead are Alive is not like the
most respected for a bunch of reasons, for whatever reason.
No, I guess a lot of it, I guess.
I guess some of it was because the girls, you know, and that
kind of marketing and whatever. And I guess the the volleyball
game and whatever I guess at thetime so.

(50:58):
Don't worry, don't worry, those those people are fine now.
Nothing is nothing is wrong withthat.
Order It's so weird in retrospect now that like, oh,
now every game has swimsuits forthe girls and I don't know why
Ivy and talkie got passed up during that times and they just
ignored that but OK, whatever, you know, we're we're past that
now. Everyone's happy with pretty

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girls and ladies in swimsuits now, but back then for some
reason, you know, they're like dead or alive.
That's a that's like a a porn game or something into this day
you come across someone that says that.
Marvel rivals exist right now. That's.
A. We have.
Not yeah, exactly. I mean, we have not.
Yet begun the goon, they said inthe DOA days, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, and that and it's weird too, 'cause you're like,
man, I played the game Is that is that is that AI don't What do

(51:43):
you. I don't know is that like a pro
or that that I played it earlierwhatever I I played the game
because it was the only game that I could play 1B1 on on Xbox
Live. But of course, you know, I can't
say that no one believes me whatever.
So I play it. But this goes on.
We we get to the 360. The 360 comes out around man, I

(52:03):
think 2004, five, maybe 5 and itbeats PS3 to the market by a
year, which many people forget. And they dead or Life 4 is like
a launch game. It's like a launch.
It's pretty much a launch game for the game.
And at this point in my kind of gaming life or whatever, I've

(52:24):
kind of stopped. I've kind of pushed Halo 2 back
and I'm just like now focusing more on dead or alive and
fighting games usually a lot like I saw a lot of the good
ones. They, they when a new game comes
out, they're like the legacy skill just carries over.
They, yeah, they make changes. There's there's there's updates
to moves and this and there, butyou the game's essentially the
same. And so I jump into new air 4.

(52:48):
The the experience carries over a lot of more more people are
playing the game and I'm like, man, I'm like, good now I'm I'm
I'm I'm at least I'm way better than I was before.
I don't have the 30% win rate anymore.
I have like a 67% win rate and man, I just play it.
Ton of these ton of these match in this game.
It's just a a great game and this was this was freaking

(53:10):
amazing and this never this stuff never happened back then.
If you don't know about dead or life 4, they put a Halo 2
Spartan as a hidden character inthat game.
They straight up put a Master Chief model character.
They called her Nicole Spartan 458.
Do you know how mind freaking blowing that was for me?

(53:32):
I saw this I could they they theSpartan is ADOA character that
grabs a dude, it sticks a it's aplasma grenade in and blows them
up as a as a powerful throw, like the most strongest throw in
the game. I couldn't believe this sort of
mix happened between like a western FPS game and a fighting
game made by a crazy Japanese dude that made Ninja Gaiden.

(53:54):
This blew my mind. And by the that's why, by the
way, as so so I'm told that whenHalo 3 came out, you have the
Hayabusa armor in the the helmetand stuff, because they made
this sort of deal with each other.
Like we'll go put the Spartan inthe game.
You get the Hayabusa armor. I don't know if people know
that. That was very common knowledge
to me back then. I was freaking living it up back
then because those were my two games.

(54:17):
But yeah, that was freaking amazing.
Obviously when Halo 3 came out, that was amazing.
I played that game. But I still played during this
time before Halo 3, Halo 2 and the Dead or Alive 4.
How much, how much 5 did you play?
Did you play a lot of five or was 4 or was four really like
where it all happens or did fivelast round?

(54:39):
Or a lot of stuff happened in four.
It it's in the if you if you notice too, or generations
lasted longer. I, I want to say yeah.
Oh yeah, for sure. I, if you, I forget the dates,
the date I think DOA5 vanilla comes out like 2012 or 13 or
something. So a lot of time passed.

(55:01):
So it's a lot of time passed. So.
Yeah, and then just to really just get it out there real
quickly, like DOA5 is like a vanilla game.
You have a little update after that called Ultimate, and then
last round's the last last one. So at this point, I'm getting
old. I'm graduating high school,
still playing DOA4, do it Halo 2.

(55:21):
And at this point, like in my conception of gaming, it's time,
it's grow up time. Like you can't just sit and play
video games forever. What are you going to do now
with your life? You going to college, whatever.
Can you just, I can't just sit and game out so hardcore like I
used to do. So at this point in time, I, you
know, I was weighing options. I did this, I think I did

(55:43):
Community College for like a year, but I ended up joining the
Air Force. I joined the Air Force and I had
in the back of my mind, I had like, I don't think anyone joins
the military for one reason. But I was like, man, maybe,
maybe I can go to Japan. That's what I want to do.
And things didn't pan out like with my initial job or whatever,

(56:04):
but I ended up after a couple years in the Air Force, I going
to Japan and DOA5 had come out while I was in.
I played it a little bit. And at this point, DOA5 is
hitting its strive. And at this point, it's the most
popular it's ever been. It's competitively that it's

(56:24):
ever been pretty much. And I'm I'm just playing this
game like crazy. And I think Ultimate is DA5
Ultimate is out around this time.
And what is also maybe not knownis Japan is like a a country
that really they especially fighting because they cared
about the arcade home consoles. They I don't know, it seems like

(56:45):
they didn't really play them as much.
I guess for some reason, like all the fighting games, they,
they, they go to the arcades, they play, they get off of work,
they're. Playing arcade, Big mobile game
culture, Yeah. Yeah, and like, it was crazy to
go and, and like the arcades there, like multiple, multiple
story buildings of just like games by John Rabbi floor.

(57:06):
And most of the gaming takes place like in the late evening
around like 8:00. They get off of work, they go
there and you'll you'll see likeguys in like businessmen in
suits like playing my favorite really fun.
It was like $0.10 Street Fightertwo like that was great.
I couldn't win. I think I won two.
I OK do the math You get you getto put $0.10 to play game of

(57:29):
Street Fighter two and it's like2 rounds.
I spent like $10 I think I won like 2 rounds because they're
all good they're like amazing like even like they're really
good. But all the other games you
spend a lot more money to play. But my whole point in saying
this is that the last time Japangot to play Dead or alive in
arcade was DOA2DOA3 was home console, DOA 4 was home console

(57:51):
and and they basically released DOA5 ultimate back in arcades
finally. So it's like they got finally
got to play it again, at least in that's, that's the way they
were, they were used to. And Japan got really good really
quickly because we, we thought as a community, for some weird
reason that Japan's just not that good at dead or alive for
some reason. I guess in DOA2U and DOA4, they

(58:14):
had like the World Cyber games back then.
And the every time they're kind of champion would, would kind of
show up, he would get beat by what I call it the four gods of
DOA. One of them was Canadian, the
rest were basically American, which is surprising.
Usually like in like these fighting games, especially the
2D, especially anime fighters, Japan just like destroys

(58:36):
everybody, but they're alive. No, that was like a straight up
Americans are the best basically.
And except for that one Canadianguy.
And so Japan gets good really quickly and I get to experience
arcade culture or a plane playing my game of choice in
Japan. I don't get to do it very much
because I was stationed at Kadena Air Force Base and I had

(58:57):
to go to mainland Tokyo. Kadena was on Okinawa, and
that's like a little island. It's not mainland Japan.
So anytime I had a leave or whatever, I'm flying to mainland
Japan to go to arcades just to, but they, they can smoke in
there by the way. So like you're in the arcade for
like 10 hours or like you're getting like second degree, like
lung kind of whatever, just being in there for a really long

(59:18):
time. But I, I'm just playing all I
can in there. And it was just a really great
experience to play the best Japanese players in that game.
And I got to go to, I got to go to a couple tournaments.
So I had like some tournaments experience that I got to do and
it was just really great that had a what was a really crazy
kind of experience that I had because of this game is back

(59:39):
when I was 16 playing Halo 2 andDead or Alive 2 Ultimate.
You pop open a game that any game that you kind of have, you
always get the logo of whatever it is, like the Microsoft, the
bungee logo, the Team Ninja logo, the the Tecmo logo.
And when I went to the tournament there in Japan, I had
to open the door of the buildingand then on the door like boom,

(01:00:00):
Tecmo, like it's there. Like I have to, I have to walk
into like the Mecca of who makesmy game.
That was a crazy moment for me. Well, let's move to your
honorable mentions. And originally, you know,
actually I'm kind of back to notknowing anymore.
So you wrote Ninja Gaiden 2 and of course this means one of two
things. Is this the Xbox 360 year or the

(01:00:21):
NES year? My original guess was NES, but
now I I don't know now. Yeah, it no, it I only had Ninja
Gaiden one on the nest and that.Yeah, you'd you'd when you when
you slip that in there. Because that's why I was kind of
curious. Like Ninja Gaiden was hard but
OK. So you're back.
You want. You have the sword wanting.
You're the sword. You want to quench blood.

(01:00:43):
You want. You want.
You're in this. It's been a couple times where
you where I was going to say going back to take the to take
the revenge in your childhood and go back and beat some old
games. I still haven't done even Ninja
Gaiden on the nest yet, but I think that's doable.
I think I could do it with some time, but Ninja Gaiden 2, no,
that's the 360 game. That game has a a stranglehold

(01:01:05):
on me that is like the other games are impactful on me.
They're really important to me, but I've I've loved games for
that had challenge. This is a single player game and
the the Master Ninja mode of Ninja Gaiden 2 is to me the if
the people who beat this game. By the way, when you beat it in
Master Ninja you get like a special little gamertag unlocked

(01:01:26):
picture of Ryu and people proudly post they they you
always use it. They if they beat Master Ninja
mode on this game, they always use it.
And to me, this is like the pantheon gods of gaming that
beat Master Ninja mode for this game.
And I have yet to do it. I feel like this is my my last
fighting final achievement as a gamer.
And when I finally do it, I'll keel over and die probably.

(01:01:48):
But it's a game that I always goback to.
I always try to learn and do just continue.
But it's the it's basically the hardest gaming experience that I
have in isolation. That's not like a challenge.
It's like the real it's a real mode that's like the game.
It's not like where people try to do like one hit like on souls
games or something like that. But I play all of the souls

(01:02:08):
games, so they're they're great games.
I hope it's not controversial insaying it what it probably is to
someone. I don't think those.
Games it's not and we won't hearany controversy on saying Souls
games are good so you're fine. Carry on.
I mean, they're good. I just don't think they're hard.
And because you can level up anddo a, you're on your own.
But Master Ninja, yeah, I can't protect you.

(01:02:30):
But but Ninja got into man. This game is just it's just like
it it it's I think it's the embodiment of nest hard in a 3D
game. It has the jank where like it
doesn't like when you you're playing like a Mega Man game on
the Nez or something where like the the bullets go through the
walls and it seems really unfair.
Like it makes you question like,man, this is unfair.
It's like, well, yeah, this is agaming experience, man.

(01:02:52):
Is it meant to be fair? This isn't this is the
experience the man designed for you.
And he he designed it to be hard.
They're not trying. Some games are.
Just hard man. Anymore though, what are they
they're doing to me? Yeah, yeah, they're not trying
to. It's Inagaki.
Rest in rest in peace, rest in power.
Whatever said. I want this to be a badge of
hardcore gaming honor. So he made this game for those
special few and I'm trying to bethat person.

(01:03:15):
Eventually I'm I'm I will try tobeat that game.
I've tried many times. I'm I chip away at it here and
then and then I take a break andthen I forget how to play.
But that that game, that's a that's an honorable mention for
me. I will that that's still like a
first of all the first game too.The Ninja Guy in original Xbox
is a masterpiece too, but there's something about Ninja
Guy 2 for me. I feel like it was an inner
Phoenix when we were in college that was one of his.

(01:03:38):
Was that that ninja guy in the sword?
And the the insanity was like, Ihad no idea that was what we
were walking into as far as likethe game mode was concerned and
how you play it and like, no, you must feed the sword.
It must. To this day, I still don't think
the action game has surpassed the kind of things that are in
Ninja Gaiden 2. They just they'll over.

(01:04:00):
They were overwhelming the console.
The 360 could barely even hang on to some of the like the the
certain levels that are just stacked with enemies.
But they made Sigma, Ninja Gaiden Sigma versions of the
game and they take out all of the the enemies and it's just
like a nice easier time. But yeah.
So your second honorable mentionis also what made me question

(01:04:22):
everything because I went to gunneck and a game that I have to
first of all signify like the Japanese art.
Give us the giant mechanical space Bunny, American art.
No, no, don't bring that Bunny here.
No, no, no. But yeah, we'll take the carrot
missiles. That's fine.
Give us the carrot missiles. That's one of yeah, that's like
one of those games too, where like I, I mentioned to people
and just not knowing what other people's experiences are,

(01:04:44):
they're like, no one else has played this game.
I I guess some obviously some people have.
I got just murdered. I know that.
I, I, I just remember being likea little bit janky.
It's also like it's faster and more chaotic than the other
shooters as I recall, but I haven't played this one.
This was like a you, you give melike a rushing memory return.
When I saw this game I was like Oh my God I forgot this game

(01:05:07):
existed. Well, like what other nest games
were I don't I didn't have that was my only top top kind of
shoot em up game I had on the nest.
That's why it stuck out. And it was, it was one of those
games too, where I'm with my grandma and she's like, Hey, buy
two games and I just, I pick I for some reason I picked that
one. Give me the carrot missile art,
grandma. I picked yeah, I picked that.

(01:05:29):
I picked the carrot missile super airplane looking weird
thing and I picked Kirby's Adventure and those two.
That's just a core memory. It's a game I always go that's
one of those games I went back to my childhood and finally beat
because it's not that it's not super, super hard or anything,
but I didn't know what I shoot em up was until like later
emulation or ROM stuff or being arcades.

(01:05:51):
So that I don't know. It was just way different.
It has a little like at one point in the in between the
levels, there's like a kind of like an anime character shop
where you can buy bombs and whatever.
And I'm like, what is this? Like this seems just so
different and the the music was just this fire.
You, you're a kid who got to go in and buy 2 video games and one
trip. My mind is still blown.

(01:06:11):
It was my grandma. It was my grandmother spoiled
me. She spoiled me.
It was a one time thing. It was a one time thing.
It never happened again. Grandma bought my first sister
too. Grandma bought me a Nintendo.
I remember they were like, I, I dude, I remember they were like
$70 and I just remember being like, I'm getting away with
burger. Yeah, there's no other way to
go. They weren't.
They weren't cheap. So have you did did you in fact

(01:06:35):
beat this one? Because again, I got I have to
go back and find it now, like I'm going to go have to perhaps
maybe somewhere try to try this game again.
I have ideas of where that couldbe, but I I want to see how it
feels now. This this is an interesting.
One, that's the other thing too.I I never, I still own all my
games. I never gave them away.
I still have my gun neck, but when I was in the military, like

(01:06:58):
my, my, I had, I placed them in a box and sequestered a way that
nothing would happen to them. So I still have all my original
nest games and basically I neverreally, I never traded them into
GameStop or anything, but I never beat gun neck as a kid,
like I said, in the nest, the nest hard era, I'm getting
crushed. I'm playing the games.
You know, you play for 10 minutes, 5 minutes, you have a
great time. Whatever you go grab a juice

(01:07:19):
box, whatever you play outside. So I'm like, that was it.
But as an adult it went back beat gun neck was like wow this
is the the last boss or whateverwas that I I play it every once
in a while just cuz it's like it's just that type of game for
me. Last game you got here, we got
clear UPS here. Expedition 33 Game of the Year.

(01:07:39):
Man, it just happened or whatever.
I played that game at launch. When that game was revealed, I
thought like, man, this is the hope.
This is the hope that we're getting good Final Fantasy for
once like this was it and I but I was really skeptical.
I'm like they dropped the ball all the time.
How can this how can this be good?

(01:07:59):
This will this can't happen. It launched it.
I played it. It was it was God's gift to the
old school Final Fantasy of players in my.
Opinion It was automatic for youlike you started it.
Was automatic. I was like, they really did it.
They hit the core themes of narrative, music, and.

(01:08:20):
They out Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy doesn't remember
how to do any of that. Yeah.
Just like when Sea of Stars cameout in front of the fan and
squares like, you know, maybe weshould make a game like that.
They did it again. They show like, you morons
aren't going to do it. You're going to keep doing other
stuff like no, you can't. Keep you can't see your stars
gave you the 8. Bits coming out and saying like.
Oh the stars gave you the turn based 8 bit and then clear up

(01:08:43):
square gave you the 3D version of turn based again two years in
a rows. I was in the camp of like Square
Enix was like just gaslighting us for years, like, Oh yeah, now
we're going to do action. We can't do Turn Basin anymore.
Like that. All the excuses, you know, so
this game like really, really did it.
They, they really delivered. And it to me, it was like just

(01:09:04):
grabbing a guy off the street and just putting him in a boxing
ring and just, he just beats like Mike Tyson.
He beats like everyone. He beats everyone in the hole,
like base kind of. Two things I gotta say for first
of all, I gotta shout out gunk show dad because he was the
first one on this long before the game came out.
But the second they have to say,how much does it suck to be
Ubisoft right now? We're like, you're watching a

(01:09:25):
bunch of your ex. It's like watching all of your
ex's get married at once as these people are just cleaning
up there and. That's on them.
Yeah, I don't know how many. I think there was at least one.
I don't know how overrated like it's, I don't think it was a
whole team of. Nine of them, at least nine of.
Them what was there, 9/9? At least nine.
Of them are ex Ubisoft. Yeah, it's not.

(01:09:47):
This is not insignificant. It is a significant portion of
their leadership team comes fromfrom Ubisoft's ashes.
How the how the music devs feeling?
How do you like that being beingthe the one the one award they
didn't get the audio? Yeah, I, I kind of take that to
like gun noises and explosions and all that or whatever.

(01:10:10):
Like I do, That's why I'm with the horror game, because that's
what they went with last year too.
And I was like, maybe it'll get fine.
Maybe. We need to.
We need to see our new EA overlords.
That's all. I'm I'm sure the battlefield
audio is great too. I think I voted for like Black
Ops 6 audio the year before thatbecause I thought like oh, this
like sounds great, but but like I hear this.

(01:10:31):
I'm like I the audio cues to letme know when the Perrier I mean
are huge in this game. I'll I'll shout out battlefield.
So yeah, probably listen like the 360 surround of the the
battle. I'm sure they've got that all
locked. Up.
I'm sure it sounds really nice. They they really had to design
the sound for that. That's that's probably fair.
So you were, you were ready for you were ready for clear obscure

(01:10:52):
that you came in. I was there, I was downloading
it on game pass immediately playing it immediately.
I'm like, because they just theydo practically everything right
and anything that they don't do amazing, they do satisfactory.
They they still they deliver. So I don't get where any I get.

(01:11:16):
It's almost like any of the hatethat the game is getting is
like, and the Patriots winning too much in football, it's like,
OK, you're, you're hating on it winning too much.
OK, that's cool, whatever. And then there's like, like I
played JRP GS, you know, everywhere they're like, oh,
well, I get that. I get 'cause some of the hate,
the hate is like clear, obscure,like they, they, they revived

(01:11:37):
JRP GS. I'm like, that's what they,
that's what they hate. They're they're wishing that
like that wasn't the case or something like that.
It's not like JRP GS were dead. That's not the case, but really
there what there. Come on guys, we have to admit
that there was a void that FinalFantasy just wasn't doing this
sort of more mature, more, I don't know, serious.

(01:11:57):
Not everything has to be like anime in high school.
Stuff like this stuff's not likethat's you could have a JRPG
like that, but man, where is themore mature stuff?
Did you see 16? They they, they tried and they
they whipped. No, well, like what it's like a
pandering thing with 16 because one I watch, I beat that game on
YouTube. You know, you just watch the

(01:12:18):
whole thing because otherwise it's a devil made my game.
I, I hope everyone beat that game with you.
It took about 22 hours to beat that game on YouTube, by the
way, So I watch I, I mean, I beat it.
I mean, I beat it on YouTube andyou know, you can there's no
difficulty whatsoever in that game, even though the, the, the
the action kind of system is well developed, but where's the
difficulty? There's no difficulty
achievement. You can just press X and just

(01:12:39):
beat the game. It's not going to challenge you.
And then two, by the way, cinematically, 16 boom, like
fire. I was like, this is the greatest
TV movie game I've ever beaten on YouTube before.
But what I didn't like is like there's like a little bit of you
could tell the weird kind of Game of Thrones influence 16 hat
where they're like, oh, we'll try to put like, we'll just kind

(01:13:02):
of curse to try to see mature and we'll try to like add sex
stuff. And it's it didn't seem
authentic. It just doesn't.
It's like they were trying to dosomething that was, to me, kind
of Game of Thrones inspired. They cooked in a lab the wrong
way. Yeah, man, and like I don't, I
don't know, like what do we do with Square Enix right now?
It's like, I don't know who's whispering their ear and what to

(01:13:24):
do because Rebirth was a like UBsaw a mess in my opinion.
The like the the open world stuff and just there's
everything's a weird task of andthen to go to all the towers in
the game and spend. I counted like literally 20
seconds to climb the tower, watch the cutscene beacon and to
slide down the pole and to collect the muggle points or
whatever. I beat rebirth, by the way, and

(01:13:45):
I had a terrible time doing it and I'm a huge fan of that of
modern IC 7. So there was just a bunch of
weird stuff. It's like, come on, guys, like
who was? Oh man, I could just go on about
that for a long time. One more, one more before I
before I before the rant is done.
But like the, the the get cloud to use the the vacuum.

(01:14:06):
Oh man, to to clean up the Mako on the floor, the the Mako
spillage. I better get cloud to clean it
up. I got a vacuum.
That's what I really screams Final Fantasy 7 to me.
Like, no, sorry, man, I'm not cleaning up the Mako stuff.
It's not. It's not a puzzle.
All right, we're Segling. Over that was that was some
spiciness. We're segueing to your future
game you're looking forward to, so hold on, wait.

(01:14:30):
So hold on, hold on OW. So you played Rebirth already,
but you your future game you're looking forward to is going back
and playing Remake. Is that am I reading that
correctly? I literally just went back and
pulled up our notes because I'm like wait wait wait wait wait
it. Is true.

(01:14:53):
OK, but please elaborate so. All the games I was looking
forward to have come out. I don't unless anything in the
future really is just way far way far out.
I by the remake is better than Rebirth.
That is straight up I think true.
It's not. It doesn't have the the this

(01:15:14):
huge open world Ubisoftness. It doesn't plague it.
It doesn't, I don't think. It's not bogged down by mini
games. Well, Final Fantasy 7 has mini
games. There's that's to me, there's a
spirit there that they tried to use there.
That's not the worst thing that doesn't remake does.
That's OK. We Final Fantasy 7 is the king
of mini games. So you know what you you tried.

(01:15:34):
That's cool. That's great.
I enjoyed remake. Remake is good.
Remake is good. Are you going back to play it
again after that? Like dunk a thon on rebirth?
Hang on, that's why I'm just confused.
But. Wait, why you?
Did. Play remake.
You did play remake though. I played Remake.
I thought remake was good. Obviously the weird story stuff

(01:15:55):
had me wanting to not have a great time, but I had to deal
with and kind of gone back and tried to see what what are they
doing here that sort of. Thing, I'm still curious what
they're doing there, yeah. Yeah, I'm, I guess we all are
curious about that, but I, I want to see what like it's going
to be on Xbox, man. You're going to play remake on
Xbox. I bought APS 5 to play that.

(01:16:16):
I'm like, man, let's see. I like to test versions of
games. So you know, I'll get the
achievements. I'll do it on the Xbox.
We'll see if there's like, I don't know it, it probably is
going to be play worse. But I I, I that's the only thing
that I think that's coming out that everything else came out.
Tactics remaster came out and asyou got in four came out.
I basically played like everything that was coming out

(01:16:38):
that it's it's came out already.Yeah, fortunately the the
release windows the exception oflike these a couple of 2027
games they dropped in the Game Awards like we're.
Mega Man 2027. We're, we're, I think might not,
might not be alive by then. Yeah.
Fortunately, I think. We're done with those.

(01:17:00):
When to to shout out to the the you know, the, the, the JRPG
haters, I guess of Claire obscure when when remake came
out, which was supposed to be like the biggest JRPG game
basically ever coming back, the OG coming back to to do
everything Yakuza like a dragon came out and that game was
better than remake. And I was like, and I say this

(01:17:21):
as a true FF7 fan, I was like damn this game has a lot to
learn from Yakuza but also greatJRPG.
OK, well on that note, then we go to a quest.
A question from the Channel 3 history books will be picked for
you to discuss. I'm just going to ask you, how
many games did you complete in 2025?

(01:17:42):
Oh man, complete. I guess you weren't, you weren't
here in the beginning of the year to really track it
necessarily with the rest of us.Yeah, because play and complete,
it's a separate question. Yeah, complete.
Oh. Yeah, it's explicitly complete,
not 100%, just like how many, how many do you roll credits on?
Yeah, that's why. I roll, yeah, that's why I put

(01:18:03):
it. I put complete in 100%.
Ah, man, I beat a lot of games. I don't know.
I went back and played a bunch of old games too.
I beat Tactics. I didn't finish Ninja Gaiden 4I
beat. I went back.
I beat Mass Effect 1 randomly. I don't know why I did that.

(01:18:25):
Did that, man. I got to like look up.
Well, I'll tell you what, let's let's do this because I, I had
not thought about. I usually try and go back
through the last week and like no that I shouldn't have though
because you weren't here in the beginning to to keep tabs
through the year. But instead I will ask you this.
What is the worst job to have ina video game?

(01:18:48):
Oh man, I don't like we're talking like you're in the video
game world. You're in the video game world.
I would I would think you're notthe the main character.
I think you're. You're off to the side of the
think. Of the main character, but
you're not. You must be the obscure
shopkeeper that has to deal withlike the, the guy that rolls up
with like a million items and potions and he's like, I'm going

(01:19:10):
to sell all this now. And you're like, oh man, the
economy's ruined and I have nothing, but somehow I'm going
to take all your potions and random stuff, that junk that you
have. I'm pretty sure this bro is just
pickpocketing me after he sold me this stuff too.
Why is he in my? Pocket depending on what I'm
saying. There's a pot on his head.
Yeah, that must be the worst job.

(01:19:31):
I don't know, like to to inventory all that and to just
like, I don't know how you stay in business, but maybe that's
your video game character. So you get to that must be one
of the worst jobs. I mean, you can really RIP
somebody off though if they're low on charisma, you can, your
margins are out of control. Like you may have bought a rusty
tin can, but you bought it for like 100 rusty tin cans for a
penny. So you could turn around and and

(01:19:53):
recycle those and make at least a dollar off it like those.
Those are good margins. That's not.
They're getting rid of a lot of junk.
They're like, and it's just random stuff.
It's like weird monster bits andjust weird old weapons like
wooden swords. This just junk that it's just
like, man, how many, how many cloth items do we early level?

(01:20:14):
What, what common, how much common loot do we need to really
parse through right now? I don't, I don't, I don't know
if I have that many employees tolike to handle that.
So I guess the the the random merchant must be the worst job.
And last question, favorite feature on Channel 3?
Man, initially I was thinking ofthe events to partake in off the

(01:20:39):
jump, but does the podcast count?
Because man, I've been churning through the history of these,
the podcasts and I've been getting a lot of value if if
that counts. So right now it's the podcast.
Pandering question allowed today.
I have been going through them, I have been going through them.
I still have a lots to go through and it's been great just

(01:21:00):
listening to everyone's experiences from whatever they
wherever they have. There's like I'm like, wow, like
I was able to search through andkind of like just pick games to
see like, oh, did anyone pick this game?
What's this guy's? So I've been going through that.
It's been pretty fun. Nice.
And on that note, we've made it to the end of another Warrior

(01:21:20):
Three. Yeah, Showtime.
Thanks for being with us. You can find a podcast at C3 dot
GG slash podcast dropping every Wednesday morning at 3:33 AM
Eastern on all the major platforms cooling Spotify,
YouTube Music and Apple Podcast.I'm Ray.
Dan puts this all together. Our theme song is by cast
recorded and for our executive producer, Joel Willis.

(01:21:41):
Have a good day everybody, Channel 3.

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