Anime Gremlins and Their Final Forms

A mythical little creature, a short acne faced child, and those scary ass things from the movie gremlins. All phrases all used to describe the slang term gremlin according to urban dictionary, but what the hell does that mean for anime characters? A rowdy tsundere? A loveable yandere? On todays episode, we discuss the groundwork in what we think makes a gremlin, along with the subgenres that go into being a menace.

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0:00 Intro

4:35 Origins of the term "Gremlin"

6:37: What is a gremlin?

15:11 Haruhi Suzumiya

17:05 Goblin energy

18:47 Kyubey

22:43 Types of chaos and Pete's other examples of goblins

28:25 Hobgoblins

32:04 Tanya Degurechaff

34:17 Miles on gremlins and Plato's Theory of Forms

43:33 Anya Forger: gremlin, kid, or both?

45:10 Discord submitted gremlins

1:01:31 Mount Rushmore of Gremlins

1:10:42 Final thoughts

Episode Transcript

(00:24):
A mythical little creature, a short acne faced child and those
scary ass things from the movie Gremlins.
These phrases are all used to describe the slang term gremlin
from Urban Dictionary. Well, what the hell does that
mean for anime character? A rowdy Sundere?
A lovable Yonder, a even? I don't know.
And that's what we're here to find out to discuss the ground

(00:46):
works of an anime gremlin. Joining me today is the
inspiration of this episode, thepodcast Gremlin himself.
We got Miles Miles. So you sparked this idea in my
head, but how did you get the idea of discussing anime
gremlins in your head? So can you refresh my memory

(01:07):
really quick because I forget what we were discussing which,
but I think it might have just been a couple of seasons ago.
Last year maybe. We had a lot of characters that
fit the vague idea of a gremlin.And I started to want to think
about like the origin of these characters and like a family

(01:30):
tree sort of thing. You could do that sort of with
soon to raise relatively easily where you have like Oscar being
like a a boom of life to that. And then you have other ones in
the past you can think of. And there's other renditions of
that that continue like Taiga, you know, you could trace these
inspirational characters. I wanted to see if that was

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possible with Gremlins. And so, you know, I, I like
being, I like doing the researchon this, you know, I, I wanted
to try to figure this out. And I gotta say, the gremlins
got to me. As we'll find out in this.
I I don't we'll figure it out aswe go, but you know, what are

(02:12):
you thinking about first year? No, no, for sure.
And sort of we came, I think we kind of collectively came to
this idea last year specificallywhere we had all these
characters that we were categorizing as gremlins.
We even created our own categoryfor end of the year awards as
best Gremlin. We always like to add some like
fun categories in there and that's one of them.

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But then we got to discussing like is this character a
gremlin? Like it doesn't really fit the
bold of what we think of gremlinis.
And then you go online and it's like, what is an anime gremlin?
How do you would you describe gremlins?
And there's like 40 different definitions.
People were throwing out answersto their favorite gremlins.
And I was like, I don't know if that is a gremlin.
And that got me thinking even further.

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I was like, what if there's something more than gremlins?
So that's something that we are going to discuss in this
episode. But I just love the idea of sort
of like this new, I don't know if it's like a wave of character
because they've been around forever.
However, I feel like the recent surge of gremlins sparked this
for both of us. And maybe it's going to be a

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character trop that we're going to be seeing more and more of
going forward. Because I think it's a great
tool and a great character to sort of cut tension with and
have like comedic effect. And we've got a lot of really
good gremlins in the last coupleof years.
So I, I, when Miles pitched thisidea to me, I said, Yo, let's do
this in nine months because I'm going to forget.
And then we can research it a little bit and then come on and

(03:36):
we'll talk about it. So that's what we're sort of
going to be doing today is we each brought our own definitions
of what we think a gremlin is orgremlin adjacent.
And we're going to give our definitions and sort of what we
think is those characters are categorized as along with shout

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to our Discord, giving us a hugelist of characters that they
want to hear us discuss whether and where we would like put them
into our own category. We are also at the end going to
do our Mount Rushmore of gremlins.
And I will say this is our personal Mount Rushmore and not
what we think like the overall sphere for anime because I'm

(04:17):
sure there are some gremlins from the 70s and 80s and 90s
that are great. Neither of us have seen it.
So that's sort of like what sparked me to kind of like want
to do this. Once you gave me the idea, I was
like, there is an untapped market for Gremlin content.
Let's get to it, Mile. Yes, absolutely.
Really quick, Pete. Yeah.
Do you know where the term gremlin first came from?

(04:40):
If I'm going to take a guess, it's from the movie Gremlins.
OK, so we're off by. I'm off by about 1000 years.
Few decades. So it was used by the Royal Air
Force, like the British Royal Air Force.
It's like an imaginary mysterious creature that would

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cause issues with their planes and just sort of cause chaos.
And part of it was that it allowed them to defer blame and
keep morale high. You know, it's like, oh, this
issue was just gremlins. Let's all work together, you
know? But also, you know, it, it's

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sort of when you're doing all this stuff, you don't always
know the cause of things. And so the these mysterious
creatures, you know, were causing that.
So I don't know if you have seenthe classic Twilight Zone
episode where the man is on the plane and sees the creature like
Messing. With the on the wing and nobody
believes them correct? Yes, I have.
Yes. OK, See, Yeah.

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You thought you weren't going tohave seen that when I started
talking about this, but you had.And that came out before the
movie Gremlin, so yes. And that.
Is a gremlin. There's a book by the author of
like his name is Roald Dahl. He did like James of the Giant
Peach, the BFG. And one of his first books was

(06:04):
called the Gremlins. And it was about these creatures
and them sabotaging planes during the war.
But then eventually they they get put to like making stuff or
whatever. And I guess Disney almost made
it into a plane that's crazy or into a movie.
But that's sort of like the origin of of the term.

(06:24):
And then obviously the the 1980smovie is massively impactful
since it's called Gremlins. Yes, and it's a great movie too.
Don't watch Gremlins too though,that movie is trash.
OK, so do you want to dive into what we think is a gremlin?
Yeah, let's, let's hear what we think a gremlin is OK, do you?
Want to go first or do you want me to go first?

(06:46):
Because mine is going to be a kind of long.
I'm not super long, but I don't know how long your definition
is. Well, I so my definition itself
is going to be I've got like a sentence or two.
The thought process for getting there is a bit lengthy.
OK, how about I go and then maybe you can do yours and
bounce off of me. Great, sounds cool.

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OK, so this is my personal definition of what I think and
what I categorize as characters as gremlins.
At a core, the gremlin must havechaos on their minds at all
time. Whether it's acting or planning,
the day of the life of a gremlincan never be the white picket

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fence and freshly cut lawn fantasy that we perceive in our
minds. We need clothes on the floor and
we need a dirty welcome mat. That being said, the chaos
doesn't necessarily mean it's a negative.
It is a real life equivalent of adding spices to a meal.
Where a person's tolerance of a gremlin may vary, gremlins add a

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level of entertainment to the world while normally
inconveniencing but not harming an individual or group of
people. On AD and D alignment chart, I
commonly align this to chaotic good.
Common physical attributes of gremlins may include, but are
not limited to being small. Emphasis on the smol, small

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shark teeth and the look of terror when confronted with
responsibilities. General traits of a gremlin.
They need at least a small amount of chaos happening at all
time, and they need to be a little selfish.
Their repercussions for their actions needs to be something
minor. It can't be significant, it

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can't be getting put into prison, it can't be something
along those lines. It needs to be something where
it's like a slap on the wrist oftalking to something along those
lines with these gremlins. Common traits of a gremlin.
Poor timing, overly outgoing or emotional, clingy, and a lot of
times they're pretty damn smug. I will say gremlins are normally

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girl characters, however they are for everybody.
Just right now I think the mat the market is saturated with
girl gremlins, but we're going to get to some examples later on
of some male counterparts. Some examples of gremlins that I
picked are Nina from Girls Band Cry, Clara from Welcome to Demon

(09:17):
School, Earmakun, Anya from Spy Family, and Yuki from Alya
sometimes hides her feelings in Russian.
So that is my essential breakdown of like what a gremlin
is the at its core, I think it'snormally a genuinely good
person, but however they need tohave something going on that can
cause a little mischief. OK.

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What's your thoughts on that Miles?
So we agree on some parts and then we are polar opposites on
one key aspect. OK so I have defined a gremlin
in my head as it must be a person that has a form of feral
energy. They have to enjoy chaos and
cause chaos for the sake of chaos.

(10:01):
Oh, I like that. And they must be at least a
little malicious in it. OK.
Right. So when I think about my
gremlins, I think about the 1980s gremlins, I think about
the gremlins on the plains. They are always sabotaging
something or wrecking things, and it's various levels of

(10:24):
threatening. Sometimes it's just kind of
silly hijinks, sometimes it's maybe a little dangerous, but
it's never completely above the board.
So to me, there has to be some edge to a gremlin.
They have to be at least a little bit willing to mess
things up, even if it's not for the greater good, because it is

(10:46):
fun to do so. That is my thought process
there. I, I think so too, but I, I
think one thing that I think gremlins need to have is with
the chaos that what they're trying to do isn't going to harm
others. And I think that's the
difference between what we have where you are, you're thinking

(11:06):
guy on the, on the plane rippingout some tiles or whatever, and
that could harm a lot of people.I think at its core, a Gremlin
is more of like a group. Like it's like our discord.
I would never be a gremlin. I mean, I probably would, but
like my gremlin energy towards our group is within our group.
I'm not radiating that Gremlin energy to other people.

(11:30):
And so I, I think it's more of like a, a focused energy of
Gremlin towards a specific groupand not like its entirety.
I think that's where we differ. Yeah, I think so.
That's, and I think you had recently called me the gremlin
of the podcast, correct? The the moment I, I think that
would exemplify that by my definition is what is now

(11:53):
immortalized is an emote, which is the the demon miles or
whatever, which is from a periodof time where I realized people
didn't like a show cat really liked and then just smiled as I
asked questions to highlight that fact in a seemingly
innocent manner. And like, that was fun and

(12:14):
chaotic. It was also a little mean.
I was being a little mean there,you know?
And so that's, that's where I how I think of it.
In your defense sort of thing, the show did suck.
It did. Were you being mean?
Yes. But were you also correct?
Also yes. You know, but I know you're

(12:36):
you're going to go into like like divergent species of
gremlin esque things and I him doing a more lateral
segregation. So do you want to start with
your like evolutions? Or let me ask you a question
first. Do you think gremlins can be
good? Because I feel like in your

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definition, it's more focused onlike when you say chaotic, when
you say malicious. To me, that brings to me like a
little bit on the bad side, but I feel like there's also good
Gremlin. So I think you can be friends or
like a gremlin can maybe help you out, but they're always
gonna be a little bit of a wild card.
I would think of someone like Rebecca from.

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I'm glad you brought that up. Okay, because to me, like she's
a good ally and everything, but also maybe she starts shooting
too quickly and like that's always gonna be like a little
like, maybe that's not the rightthing to do, but I love shooting
people, you know, it's like thatsort of thing, You know, if
there was someone in their main quirk was like, oh, I randomly

(13:42):
donate money to the poor. That's not a gremlin to me.
There has to be a little bit of an edge to that, you know, in my
opinion. OK, no, I get.
I get that it's cool that we have different.
If we had we both have the same different definition.
Yeah, we just named the same characters.
It's boring, yeah, but it's funny that you brought up
Rebecca because I'm going to be bringing her up down the road.

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I'm going to be bringing up a lot of characters you're going
to be bringing up in your further iteration sort of
things, I believe. So because I guess the reason
why I did this was there are some characters that I just
can't lump in as the same group.You know, like you have Tyga
from Toradora or something like that.
Can I really lump her in as the same person as Tanya the Evil?

(14:31):
Like I personally can't do that.I think they are too.
Oh no. If someone else wants to go for
it, I think it's super fun. But do you want an example I
have of a gremlin who is like the not shooting like it's more
like calm Comparatively. They're not as violent or evil,

(14:52):
but I still think they have thatmalicious tent to.
Them Oh I have one later on thatI think is OK.
People off guard, but I'd love to hear yours.
OK so my my thought would be like Haruhi.
Right, well, I'm so glad you brought that up.
Guess what I'm going to bring uplater down the road?
Actually, let's just talk about it now.
Sure. Tell me what Haruhi?
Yeah, so I I have picked Haruhi because one, she loves chaos.

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She's always bored. She's just trying to do things,
entertain herself. And sometimes that comes at the
cost of her friends. You can see that in like the
film making arc or whatever where she's like really kind of
messing with Asahana and like the just a few different things

(15:38):
like that where it's it's chaotic energy.
It's can be fun to go with, but sometimes if it's pointed in the
wrong direction, it's gonna hurtpeople.
And So what I think is interesting about the Harohee
dynamic is you have this group of people channeling the gremlin
energy. That's the entire plot of the

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show basically, is to channel this chaotic creature in a
positive direction. And they know that they're gonna
get burnt a little bit, but overall they can, you know, send
it where it needs to go. So to me, that sort of feedback
you get when you try to control a gremlin, you are going to get

(16:23):
hurt a little bit. But you can in some cases IE
Harley. That is my thought on on her and
her gremlin hood. That that's we, we're having
some pre, some behind the scenes, some behind the scenes,
baseball, having some conversations before recording
about certain characters that are really hard to place.

(16:44):
And Haruhi was one, because there's so many different
dynamics to her that depending on which lens you view it from,
I think could be expanded on. Because if you view it from her
perspective, I think she's a gremlin.
I think if you view it from other people's perspective,
she's more than that, which is going to lead me into my next
definition, which is what I think is one step away from

(17:08):
gremlin. This and that is a goblin.
So a goblin is similar to a gremlin in every sense except
their actions are more harmful to their party or another party
and more beneficial to themselves.
I think this is where charactersthat are more violent and action

(17:30):
oriented fall in line. I also think that their
vocabulary you can also be more aggressive while still having
that silly and quirkiness that you want in a gremlin on ADND
alignment chart. I think this could be a huge
range. I label it anywhere from like
chaotic good all the way to likechaotic neutral neutral.

(17:53):
Possibly like lawful evil. Haven't really looked too much
in the DND alignment charts, but.
You know, not lawful Evil, I promise.
What's that? You said?
You don't mean lawful evil? I promise, Lawful evil are going
to be people. They're a little quick D&D
alignment chart. They'll be they're like evil
politicians who use the structures of society to, like,

(18:14):
commit evil. It's not like any less evil than
chaotic evil. It's just a more structured,
more systematic evil. Than that, let me ask you a
question. Especially since you brought
like a politician. What would it be then if you had
a character who did something evil that would benefit a larger
majority? Is that still lawful evil?

(18:34):
That, yeah, I could be. Because that's why I want to
keep lawful evil in this. Yeah, because it gets a little,
I mean, OK, like you're trying to count by.
Example then that would make thelet's.
Go. QB from Madoka Magica.
OK so this is interesting to me because I think QB is the
complete opposite of anything gremlin related.

(18:57):
And what do you do? You think he's a goblin or?
Goblin, yes, I think he's I think he's a step above a
gremlin because of his the nature and his business is I
would say more. This is where it's like, oh, I
wanted to bring up like the he'strying to save his race of
people or whatever that he is. In order to do so, people need

(19:18):
to be sacrificed. OK, that's not what he's doing
specifically and This is why I don't think he belongs.
Cubase specific goal is to reverse entropy right?
Entropy of course being the decay of order like amongst the
universe as a whole overtime leading to the heat death of the

(19:39):
universe. To me a gremlin has to have
positive entropy. They have to add to the chaos.
They cannot take away from the chaos like QBE does because QBE
does a terrible thing, which is like torture these poor little
girls and you know, basically like sell them to a soul pyramid

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scheme type of deal. But there is one, a plan he has.
It is a greater good that he is working for.
Two, that is strictly in the order.
It is like a hierarchical desirefor order and structure, and to
make sure that the universe doesn't.
You know, fizzle out because like, I don't think he does

(20:21):
anything chaotic. I think everything he does is
meticulously planned. It is also kind of emotionless,
which leads to, you know, because I thought, didn't you
say he needed you? Didn't have to be.
It's not limited, but these are qualities are found in most
gremlins. But it doesn't have to.
They don't have to have every quality to be categorized as.

(20:43):
I will say he looks like a gremlin.
Because like, he's small, he's cute, yes, he's evil.
Those are those are three alignments for Gremlin Energy.
That's that's true. Would you consider Griffith to
be a gremlin? No, he.
Type of thing. He's small, he's cute, he's and
he is evil. He's small, but like he's still

(21:03):
like. Yeah, he's still I usually see
compared to Guts. He's still like an adult man by
a gremlin standing next to Shaq.Like maybe?
It's like how Kelly Olynyk called me Frodo.
Like yeah, fair enough. Man, fuck Maple Dick.

(21:24):
I love that guy. OK, but let let me hear your pro
argument for Q Bay because I I am interested because to me it's
just he's very anti the. The way you break it down, I
think that you could probably throw him in my next definition.
I just I guess my perceived thoughts of QB is what he is

(21:46):
trying to accomplish will benefit the greater good like
overall in the universe if he does what he's doing.
But what he is doing is harming and hurting people.
But he is still cute and small. OK.
Yeah. So.
You can disagree. Yeah, I, I mean, I, I just

(22:08):
explained why. You know, I'm just trying to
understand your thought process here because I guess to me, the
most important axis on the gremlin thing is like the order
versus chaos type of deal where they need to be chaotic.
That is, to me, that is the mostimportant attribute to a

(22:28):
gremlin. And then the other things like I
sort of, you know, filter that through and and go yes or no,
right? I mean, it's like a litmus test
after that point. But like my one hard cut off is,
they must be chaotic. Yeah, I think that the chaos can
be defined differently because Ithink when we think of like,

(22:49):
light and bubbly chaos like theydo with like other gremlins,
it's not as like crazy. But when we start talking war
crimes, like maybe that diverts a little bit from chaotic
energy, but I still think in some way it is chaotic.
And that's why I wanted to include characters like them
because they have physical attributes that I, I see a lot

(23:09):
in or, and just personality traits of these characters,
while not really, I would say necessarily fitting the mold of
a standard gremlin. So that's what that's kind of
like why? And maybe he'll fall into the
other. Maybe you'll agree that he'll
fall into my other category. But I want to get some other
examples that I thought were goblins.
Mikey from Tokyo Revengers, one that you know, Hebana from the

(23:34):
evil Lieutenant. OK, the one that says fuck.
I would consider her. I would consider her.
She's my gremlin. I.
I to me like the difference between her and say, another
Gremlin is the violent nature ofher character and her
vocabulary. See.
I rather acquire that this is that's a prerequisite to my

(23:55):
crippling. OK.
Yes, OK. So.
My, my, I guess for me it's like, I guess I'm more like my
gremlins, pure, like more on thegood side.
And if you have like even like ahint of evil or aggregation,
aggregation aggressiveness, someviolence, that stuff, then you

(24:17):
start getting into like a different territory.
Yeah, I mean, I'm the, it's so funny that we we split on this,
especially with like how we likelike happy things versus like
tragic things too, where I'm just like be evil, do it.
And then my other big one that Iwas having a hard time placing
somebody is Yuki from the Shoshaman series.
I think I, I think I agree that she belongs in Goblin just

(24:41):
because of her mental state, I would say.
And I think sort of her actions are more aligned with her
selfishness than the benefit good of other people.
I would for your definition, I would definitely agree with
that. For mine, I don't think she ends
up in either any of my well, I have one category and it's

(25:03):
gremlin. I don't think she I don't think
she ends up in that for me because she is again a
mastermind and gremlins in my head cannot be masterminds.
They were just like, yeah, 'cause it's, it's not like to
me, even if someone is causing chaos in some way, if the idea

(25:23):
in their head is let me 'cause chaos because I can take
advantage of this and do XY. And you know, that is not
chaotic in and of itself. What it is, is like a plan.
It is ordered. It is, you know, an attempt to
do something. Yuki seems chaotic until you
learn her thought process and what is happening.

(25:45):
To me, it's like the difference between have you watched Game of
Thrones, like Peter Baelish, right, versus the Joker from
Batman. Like it's, you know, Peter
Baelish is like doing all this stuff, throwing stuff in the
wall to see what sticks. But there is an order to that.
He wants to cause chaos so that he can gain things.

(26:06):
Whereas people who just want to do chaos because they enjoy
seeing other people's reactions and seeing what happens when
they light a bunch of money on fire or whatever, you know, it's
that sort of thing. They're the, they don't think
before they do things a gremlin in my, in my head.
They they have, they don't have plans.
They are spontaneous. They are, you know, good.

(26:30):
I think this will be fun, and I will do this.
And sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad to different
degrees depending on what the character is.
But they don't think ahead. And that's why in my head, they
need a little bit of that malicious because when you don't
plan your thoughts from words and actions, sometimes you do
accidentally hurt people. 100%. Yeah.

(26:50):
So that's my thought on her. I like that.
I do like that. I like that.
That's like very 'cause I think for me, it's like when I think
of a gremlin in her actions, if she's not currently doing
something, it's thinking about sort of what the next thing that
she's going to do is. And so I, for me, my gremlins

(27:12):
need some planning when the action isn't happening.
But I do like that. I like that approach.
That's fun. Yeah, I, I like it.
And to me, it's actually, you know, we're going to go through
a list of people and it's probably what's going to keep me
the most off of like saying, yes, this character is a
gremlin. Like I think there's a lot of
like gremlin adjacent gremlin characteristic characters, but

(27:34):
to be like a purebred gremlin, it's tough because like even you
had mentioned Yuki from Alya, right?
Yuki #2 that we're bringing up here.
Like to me, she actually has some sort of master plan.
It's some phases. And then she has some actions
that are just chaotic because she's like doing her chaos thing

(27:57):
and they're not always related. And that made her very hard for
me to categorize because she seems to have two wolves inside
of herself and one of them is a gremlin who wants to fuck her
brother and the other one is just a normal person.
I don't know, it's just a normalass wolf.
Yeah. OK.

(28:17):
So then that I guess that's all lead me into sort of my last.
Maybe I'll come up with more later, but I wanted to get like
these, by the way. But the last one is a hobgoblin.
So this is like a step above a goblin.
Yeah, I know you're thinking, what the hell?
I'm like, Yep, this is where I'mgoing with it.
So a hobgoblin is a gremlin in every sense, but their end
result of their shenanigans endswith either destruction and

(28:41):
mayhem that can lead to the public being affected in a
larger scale, whether it's intentionally or
unintentionally. It's so interesting.
OK, so intent doesn't matter to you.
I, I don't think, I think so. It's sort of like this.
It's say you say your dad is in charge of the launch codes and

(29:02):
there's a big red button that says if you press this it, it
shoots off a nuke and you're throwing a football to your dad
and you're terrible at football and that football hits the red
button and it launches the nuke.My dad and I in the watch
center. Yep, tossing the big skin.
You know, he's busy with work, he's trying to make time for his
kid and that's the only time that he can do it.

(29:23):
I. Don't want to end up like the
cats in the cradle. Dad, you're playing catch with
me in the reactor. Yes, this is a very bad example,
but somebody came up with, no, Ialready recorded.
So the football, you know, Bing Bong bong, bong bong hits eight
different things and hits the red button and you shoot off a
nuke that that nuke is that nuke's gone.

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So whether you had meant to do that or didn't mean to do that,
your actions have a consequence.Miles, congratulations, you are
now a hobgoblin. OK, well this is interesting to
me then, because this is so curious because like, I need to
think of an example of this thatisn't you.

(30:05):
Want me to give you my examples of what I think hobgoblins are?
OK, so you brought up Rebecca from Cyberpunk.
And so there she had like, actions before joining the team
and after that I think would qualify her in this.
Same with someone like power from Chainsaw Man or, you know,
at almost any character from Chainsaw Man.

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But I'm gonna say power specifically where, you know,
she's killing the big monster inthe city, but at the same time
she's destroying like 40 buildings or something along
those lines. You know, it's like you, you
saved the day, but like you did it in a manner that was poor.
And this is my hot take Gojo from Jiu Jitsu Kaizen.

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I could see it. Yeah, I, I think just based off
what we've gotten so far in the anime that it just always is
lingering around him. And then, you know, I even
though he was kind of involved with Shibuya, like these events
are leading to like mass casualties and stuff like that
in this year. So it's like, and he's goofy
silly fun when he's out outside of like fighting.

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So like he's still, these characters still have like
qualities and characteristics I think that gremlins have, but
it's just it's more long, I guess along the lines of their
actions or their consequences totheir action.
Is Aaron Yeager A gremlin or a hobgoblin?
No he's a bitch. He doesn't have any other

(31:33):
qualities of a gremlin. He's just evil.
I guess from my what I'm seeing he is overly emotional and
clingy, so yeah. Yeah, and his actions lead to
mascot. What I'm saying Aaron Yeager for
Hobgoblin. He's not small.
I guess it is human form. He's probably smaller.
I guess at the end he's not, butlike he's a Titan, so he's not

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small. Like he's a he's a big boy.
I I feel like this is where I would also put like, you know, I
haven't seen Tanya, but I like Iwould assume Tanya would also
fall under this category. It's usually has.
I wouldn't say it necessarily always has, like if we're using

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the DND alignment chart. Doesn't necessarily have to be
evil, but I feel like a lot of times these characters fall
under an evil tag. Yes, I mean OK that that would
make sense for me in Hobgob or Hobgobins I believe are always
chaotic evil in DND at least 5 Ebefore the revision.
But see to me someone like Tanyawouldn't count because again,

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she's like a military mastermind.
It is all planned. She also wants to kill God and
like she's doing things to get to an end.
And that is to me, that just sort of cancels cancels you out.
You can't be smart, you can't beplanning.
It's pure goblin. You can.
You can be smart. You cannot be wise.

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OK, OK. I like that because this is
because my because we're going to do the Mount Rushmore later
and I have a character that I think is going to be on a lot of
people's list that I'm assuming is not going to be on yours
because of your definition. So I'd be intrigued to see what
that. Is I?
I just thought of a which is crazy because she's a pretty
popular character, but she I think I'm putting her on the

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Mount Rushmore. Oh.
I think that's going to, that's going to have to happen.
OK, we'll we'll get that soon, but that that's sort of how I've
laid out my gremlins. Gremlin, Goblin Hobgoblin.
OK. Usually how it progresses is off
of like aggressiveness, evil, violence affected outside of

(33:50):
your friend group or core group or whatever.
The more that happens outside ofa group, the more goblin and
hobgoblin energy you. Radiate OK, so like the bigger
you know, you're like level or what like I don't know the.
You're gremlin if you're like. S class in One Punch Man versus

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like a whatever your threat level is.
OK, so and if you don't mind, I'm gonna give a quick overview
of of how I I approached this episode and where I ended up.
Sure, let's hear it. So one of the first things that
I tried to do is I looked up interviews of like the creator
of Haruhi where they got inspiration from Haruhi

(34:33):
characters that I don't considergremlins, but like interviews
with people who voiced Mao Mao or where various characters came
from. And I found some and it was
useful. But then I thought to myself,
oh, it would be really nice if Icould just like ask these people
things. But it turns out talking to a
Japanese author for a light novel or a manga is like, as far

(34:56):
as I know. Please let me know if you know
how to impossible because like they don't a lot of people you
could like reach out to their publicist or whatever and be
like, hey, I have these questions like if they don't
mind answering and like maybe you get something maybe you
don't like. For example, it's like I Google
e-mail Brandon Sanderson, who's like the biggest author in the

(35:18):
world right now, and they just tells me how to do it.
I just. Use e-mail.
It's like a. Form to ask him questions and
he'll try to text you back or whatever you know so but I
couldn't find any event. So I had to take a different
approach because I, I did want to see like what inspired these
characters that I know we're going to consider gremlin or

(35:39):
gremlin adjacent and see if thatcould find like a common
ancestor and I couldn't so I hadto leave biology behind me
right? Like this evolutionary thing I
had to go into philosophy. So Plato had an idea about how
things exist and it is this theory of forms.

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The idea behind this Pete, if you are not aware, is that
everything has like it's conceptual pure form that exists
might not be the right word. It exists out of like space and
time. It cannot be affected.
It is is pure. So like, it's sort of like when

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you draw a triangle on a board that's not a perfect triangle,
but you know, it's a triangle and you you can conceptualize
the idea of a perfect triangle, but like, where are you getting
that idea from? It must exist somewhere.
So it exists in this like metaphysical world beyond our
own. We're like pure concepts of

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things lest live. And as I thought more about
these gremlins and had a hard time thinking like, is this
person a gremlin? Yes.
No. Sometimes on some episodes, I
was really it was driving me insinct because there's a period
of time where I was just like, maybe there are no gremlins,
maybe it's a lie, Maybe no characters are a gremlin.
I came to this concept. We cannot know the perfect

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gremlin on this earth, Pete, because we are not out of The
Cave yet. We are still seeing the shadows
on the wall. So what you have is the concept
of a gremlin, and then you have the actual gremlins themselves,
and then you have like artistic depictions of gremlins, which is

(37:29):
where we are at, right? That is actually all that can
exist because gremlins aren't real, so.
Damn it. I know, but look, Plato ain't
alive. I can't e-mail him about this
either. However, he's what I'm going.
For. Yeah, please.

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Aristotle did a lot for that, I think.
Sure. He's still kicking.
So in my head, what I have for gremlins is just a scale of how
much they reflect the pure concept of a gremlin.
I like that that is what it is. It's like someone like Mao Mao

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might be like 20% gremlin, but to me that's not enough to
categorize her as a gremlin. But she has gremlin influence,
but she's not immediately, if you just see her, she's not like
immediately recognizable as a gremlin.
The same way that like, you can make a square out of two
triangles, you know, that sort of thing where it's everything

(38:33):
can be like broken down into pieces, but isn't necessarily
the pure form. And so this is how I've started
to think about it. I've been trying to think of the
characters that I think best reflect the world.
And this is very gatekeepy, but this also doesn't matter, so I
don't care. Best reflect the pure concept of

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gremlinness. And to me, that is like the
fucking second law of physics, expanding entropy through
actions without intent, even just naturally.
And that is, that is how I'm looking at them.
So we have a list of characters we're gonna go through and a lot

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of people, I'm gonna say, no, your character's not a gremlin.
And I'm sorry, but I'm gonna be pretty strict with this, I think
to the point where I it's drivenme a little insane 'cause I
needed to, I needed to pick someone has to be a gremlin.
Someone has to be. There has to be some, because I
can think of the idea and Plato would never lie to me.

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I was going to say I like your, I like your scale.
I was just picturing like like avideo game and being like, yeah,
I'm a level 6 gremlin. It's like, oh, you're only level
4 gremlin. I'm a level 6.
Yeah, this is this sort of like,you know that that idea or where
you like you can level up skillsor something, right?
Let me ask you, let me ask you aquestion.
So like in your brain you have like a mental check box of

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characteristics or traits. Of a gremlin that has it, and
then depending on how many things that they check, that's
like what percentage of gremlin they are.
Yeah. So the basically the way it
would work is that like I, I canthink of the concept of a
gremlin and even my concept of it, it isn't 100% correct,

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right? But it is the closest depiction
because I cannot perfectly depict my concept onto paper,
right? Because every time you translate
from the original metaphysical concept, you lose some data and
it becomes a little less pure. You know, understanding what
beauty is versus seeing something that is beautiful

(40:47):
versus trying to recreate something that is beautiful.
You know, all of these things could be beautiful, but each
time they maybe get a little like re xeroxing.
Let me give an acknowledge for the kids for saving that JPEG
too many times. You know, now it's photocopied
or whatever. Martin's compressed.
I went back to xeroxing. It is sort of my thought.

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So what I need to do is I need to I want to see a character.
I need to think of their actionsholistically because there could
be bias here because a lot of characters have amazing gremliny
moments but that's not who they are.
Holy like Mao Mao is an example of this I would give where she's
literally just Sherlock Holmes but also kind of gremliny

(41:31):
sometimes. But holistically I don't think
she's a gremlin when I view her entirety right and so the the
line is technically arbitrary but I I need it when I see
everyone's actions, how they speak, what they do.
Do they have an off gremlin modeand is that too anti gremlin for

(41:55):
me to consider? Not like honestly Umaru Chan was
someone I was considering here because when you see her on
screen she's just a gremlin. Gremlin mode for sure.
But the entire concept is she can pretend not to be a gremlin,
and I think a gremlin couldn't do that.
Oh. That's, that's interesting.
You don't think you don't think gremlins can evolve?

(42:17):
Oh. I think if you evolve from being
a gremlin, you stop being a gremlin.
Ah, you, you be OK. OK.
I want to. I'm trying to think of like a
word because like in my definition, I went like away
from Gremlin when they got more aggressive and evil.
Well, what if they do? Mine is order.
Yeah, yours is order. Oh, yeah.

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I'm trying to think of like, what would be somebody who's
like too pure to be a gremlin, but still has like all the
characteristics and like qualities of a Gremlin.
I'm not have to think about thatone.
There's a few like someone that like oh God I don't know.
How about this? I think they definitely guru

(43:00):
camp type characters I think canfit that mold pretty well like
pink hair girl. Disco.
Yeah, someone brought up. Yeah.
I like that a lot. Let me ask you this question
though, can non humans be gremlins?

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Yes. OK, cool.
Just checking. I have one on my list, maybe in
my OH Mount Rushmore. OK.
I thought you're going to say something completely different.
OK, cool. All right.
You think? I was going to say, I thought
you're going to call your son a a gremlin.
My son is a gremlin and not a human.
That's what I said I. Have a gremlin these two.

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That that that also brings up another question.
That was because someone like Anya, is she a gremlin or is she
just a kid? Right like I.
Think she's yeah See to me Anya is a kid and she has some of
these gremlin Y moments, I will say, especially when she's at
the school and she you know, buta lot of what she does again is
preventing chaos using the extraknowledge she has to fill in her

(44:06):
parents blind spots and make sure the mission goes smoothly.
To me, gremlins don't do that. So.
See, and that's where we differ because I while I think she
tries to stop that, a lot of times she screws up and
unintentionally causes chaos. And this is what I asked you
about intent, because to me intent is what is key.
Sure, if you are trying to bringorder about, you know, like I, I

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guess I wouldn't call, I don't know, some Phil in tragic hero
who accidentally destroys the world, you know, because they
were trying to do the right thing and just went terribly.
Like I want to consider them in that because the intent to do
the right thing, the intent to bring order to me.
Sure. Yeah.
So I, I, I was thinking of like,you know, like athletes who get

(44:54):
hurt a lot, like are they injuryprone or are they just like
unlucky sometimes? And I think yeah, it depends.
Yeah, it depends. Right.
So I, I, because it's going to come down because there's, I
have Anya as a gremlin and there's another child on our
list that I don't think is a gremlin.
So we're going to get into our Discord submitted.

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Is it a gremlin? Is it not a gremlin?
Where would we categorize it? If you want to help us out in
episodes like this, feel free tojoin our Discord.
I have a channel called Podcast Discussions that I will at
sometimes ask questions and stuff to people and get their
feedback. So this is where we're all start
and I'm going to start with you because I've never seen this
show. Miles, where is Ed from?

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Cowboy and Bebop. Is he a gremlin or no?
I think Ed is a woman. Did I say he was a man?
Did I? I think you did, yeah.
If I did, my apologies. I saw in my brain I did say that
but if I did my bad. Yeah, well, her, her name is
Edward. Like honestly, you're allowed

(45:57):
to. But I haven't seen the show.
Yeah, yeah. So I would say Ed has a lot of
gremlin characteristics. I definitely can agree with
that. I think that the impulsivity is
there. You know, she's sort of like a
master hacker type of character,if I remember quick correctly,
who just sort of does stuff because she can't like very like

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to me like doing things because you can hacking things because
you can is very gremlin. Like there is, you know, there,
there are goals and stuff, but this is like an example of me
with being willing to like give that like a pass because like
it's hard to have a character that has literally no, no goals,

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but it did. I think it's more like Ed does
these tasks because it lets her be on the ship and fuck around
in her free time, you know, so. All right.
That's the that's the thought. Very like giggly, eccentric.
You would think she's a gremlin like 100.
Percent. All right.
Right on. OK, Oscar from Evangelion.

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I I say no. OK, I put her yes in Gremlin.
OK. I, I, I think barely, but I, I
do think that she has enough of the qualities to, to, to
solidify yourself as a gremlin. Maybe that's like the best
gremlin, but I think that she does qualify.
We did. Harrowy, have you seen Doctor?
Have you seen Doctor Stone? I have.

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OK, Suika the the watermelon girl.
Oh, Suika's so cute. Yeah, no.
Yeah, I also put her as no. And this is where I was having
the the Anya. Yeah, I mean, she's funny and,
like, cute and like, I like her character a lot, but not

(47:47):
particularly mischievous. She does some like spying and
stuff, which could be consideredas such, but she is, I don't
know, like I don't see a world where, you know, Senku is like
Suika. I need you to like not be
chaotic. And she like is instead like she
feels like she could like listenand take orders and critically

(48:11):
think a little bit too much for me to consider her a gremlin.
I mean, I don't know, it's like,I guess I would get it.
But to me this would be like a very soft gremlin like where you
know the definition just sort ofmeans any character that is kind
of fun. Sure.
Honestly, no. For sure.

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And, and for me, I was thinking like, I think she's just more of
a kid in a sense than someone like Anya who has these powers
to like, get herself into situations that can be a little
bit more gremlinly, gremlinly. I think I require malicious
intent at least. Not even intent.
Just like malicious thing. And like, Suika is the sweetest

(48:54):
person. Yeah, she's.
She's super nice and I I think it's just more of her being a
kid than being something more than that.
OK Nikko from love life. No, I also say no, I I think her
I can, I can, I can see why people would think that she is,
but I think her appeal actually is beneficial and not like

(49:18):
negative. So to me, I think.
She wouldn't fall. Yeah.
Why I like Nico from love life so much is why she is not a
gremlin. It's because once she has her
shit together 2 she's basically hurting all of these unorganized
wannabe idols. You know she sort of brings like
a try hard thing because like the big clip of her being like

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Nick Cooney Cooney right? Like the whole the whole bit
there is that is not her personality.
She is nothing like that. And she does have some gremliny
things and she physically fits the gremlin thing.
But I think you can't be someonewho I think like you can't get
an MBA and be a be a gremlin. If you're considering the

(50:05):
business side of your idol group, you are not a gremlin.
That is in my opinion. I, I, I think that's fair.
Auron from Dead Dead Demons. I think this is a slam dunk.
I think she's a staple as a gremlin.
Yeah, here is going to be one ofmy top hot takes.
Not at all 0% Gremlin, but we don't know that until like

(50:26):
episode 20 or whatever. Yeah, I don't want to spoil the
show. I, I know what you're saying, I
to me it's like 90% of the show she is.
I I understand, but to me, again, I'm looking at these
characters holistically, right? Like I'm cutting out Umaru's
Chan for stuff that literally only happens off screen.
And so this is like, you know, if but really quick if if you

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skip 20 seconds, if you don't want this amazing show spot for
you, if your entire reason for acting like a gremlin is to like
cheer up your friend and so thatyou can like make them happy and
everything. And that's not like exactly who
you truly are. And it's all like an intent
can't be a gremlin. I'm sorry, not for me.
I like I would have said absolutely 100% slam dunk until

(51:14):
episode whatever so. Fair enough.
Fair enough. OK, I.
Still love her, she's an amazingcharacter.
I I mentioned her in my goblins,but Hibana from the evil
Lieutenant. I would have her as a Grim 1.
Hey, we got one. She just like bites people and
stuff. It's great.
A lot Yuri from girls last tour.The blonde hair girl.

(51:38):
I think the show's too calm. Yeah, I think I would agree too.
There's not enough. She doesn't what?
She brings chaos to the one person left in the world.
But I think it's just they're bored.
I like, OK, I'm going to do likea weird caveat for this one.
Like in universe when there's like 6 people left, sure.
Like you know, like in, in the context of this show, if there

(52:03):
was a Gremlin, it would be her. And like I, I think she does
sort of fit it, but the show is relatively muted because of its
genre and style and everything. So she doesn't quite get there
for me. But I think in that if you if
you wanted a healing show Gremlin, she's a very good show

(52:23):
in my opinion. I would agree.
I like that. I like that answer 1.
I think we can both agree on twin turbo from Uma Museme.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, she has Shark T 100% and
she has he has a fun personality.
Yeah, yeah. And this is, this is actually a
good point I want to bring up. To me it's easier for side and

(52:44):
tertiary characters to be gremlins for sure because we
don't know what ton about twin turbo and she comes up and all
of her bits are her being a gremlin and we don't really ever
learn about her hopes or dreams or anything and how she was
secretly this way because someone bullied her when she was
a little hoarse and like you know, so it makes it easier to

(53:08):
fit my like can't be that complex criteria because they
didn't give her any structure. Sure.
Which is exactly what I want. She is a gremlin.
Love it. OK this one I'm I have very
limited knowledge on and I'm notsure what you have but Neko arc
from the Fate series. Oh, Gremlin.
Yeah, see, this is what I thought was a gremlin.

(53:30):
And then I saw some clips and like Neko Arc runs like a
restaurant in some Fate universeand it's like.
Neko, it doesn't matter. OK, but then it's like, also,
does they do the the cat dance? Yeah.
What does the cat? The literal Canon of Nekuwark
does not matter. OK.

(53:51):
Also, I think she sort of has like 4th wall breaking Deadpool
powers, which is like, I don't know, I haven't seen enough of
Nekuwark to know. But I I'm fine compromising my
ideals to just like look at thisthing and say, yeah, 100% no
doubt like that. That's my view.
OK, have you seen Inspector? No.

(54:14):
OK, then I will just touch on Kotoko Iwanega.
I've already seen the first episode or the first season.
It's like the main character with the fake eye and the fake
leg. I think she's I think she's a
great gremlin. I I think.
Is she a gremlin? Oh my God.
Yeah, because a lot of her, OK, a lot of her chaos is like
bringing that guy character intolike her shenanigans and doing

(54:38):
stuff with him for like, becauseshe has like a crush on him and
stuff like that. And then they do fun mystery
stuff. I thought the show was OK.
I liked her character a lot, butI think that she would qualify
in my book. I think in my book she's a
gremlin. In your book, she's not.
OK, her her character design is age 20.

(54:58):
Amazing. Very.
Yeah, it does something to me. Yeah, and then you find out that
like, her eye, one of her eyes are fake, one of her legs are
fake, one of her she's he's got missing body part.
So OK, it's part of her character.
It's cool. Kind of like that a detective is
already dead. Yeah, but it's better than that
show. Wow, what a bar.
It's like 3 times better than that show.

(55:21):
I think I gave that show A5 so honestly I should watch this
better. There's two series I.
Think so? Check that out.
Oh, OK, OK, there's I just put turbo granny in both forms, cat
form and granny form. Yeah, I yeah, I can see it.
I don't. I haven't seen Season 2 yet.
She's not even, at least not really, a part of Season 2.

(55:45):
OK, great. Yeah, I guess that's never mind.
You know what, what is cause andeffect.
But yeah, I would say for me at least, you have malicious,
seemingly random, sometimes helpful, like just very chaotic
and very impulsive. I would say yes.

(56:05):
OK, the granny form I think I would put in like Goblin, and
then the cat form I would put inGremlin.
Miles. Yeah.
I think it's funny that you're like goblins and hobgoblins are
much more likely to fall into mygremlins than your gremlins.
Yeah, that's, that's the beauty of it.
I, it was funny because the whole point of when I was
brainstorming this idea was like, we need to get a unified

(56:26):
definition of this. And it's like, no, we're not.
We are not aligning on this at all.
Miles Tyga from Toradora. No, wow.
No, no. She's a Sundere.
She's just a Sundere. Oh, you know what?
Maybe. I'm trying to think you all
think about it. I OK, I'm gonna say that.

(56:47):
I'm still gonna say no. I'm gonna say I can see it more
than I initially did because I remembered beginning of the
series Taiga of her just breaking into his house and
hitting him with the sword stuff.
And like I was sort of thinking of like later Taiga where you
like learn about all of her trauma and like why, you know,
it's like more like a cry for help than anything else.

(57:07):
But like, I think there's definitely a view where you you
could say yes, though. I think no, it is the same
reason I would say Oscar is no, I just don't view sunder rays as
gremlins. I think they sort of put on the
mask of being gremlin Y, but really they're the dare part,
right? They they have the soft part to
them, you know, so that's it's ait's a mask for them.

(57:30):
It's not real gremlin Ness. Gotcha, I would put her as a
gremlin, but we'll get to that later.
I touched on Yuki. Did you label her as a gremlin
from Shoshman? Shoshman No, she's not.
I would say not a gremlin. We talked about this because I
she's like a mastermind, like incredibly good at manipulation.

(57:52):
It's just, you know, again, you can't secretly be a mafia Lord
or whatever and also a gremlin in my.
Fair enough, fair enough. One that you haven't seen it's
from mono character name Anne Kiriana.
I think she's a gremlin. I think like Miles said before
where I think I would push her towards the opposite side of
goblin and more towards the goodside of gremlin.

(58:14):
Those were like I like your likethe mono and lay back characters
can go to. But yeah, I wouldn't consider
anyone in Mono a gremlin becauseeveryone in Mono just takes
pictures and has fun and they'relike, let's be in a club with
each other. If you watch the show, you
realize how little pictures theytake in that show.

(58:34):
I yeah, look, look, I've watcheda large part of the show.
I'm not done with it yet, but I've watched several episodes
and I but they, they, they like,I don't know, they flew a kite
and tried to take a video and then they like went on a road
trip to try to take some pictures and like they attempt
to take pictures. Yeah, they attempt.
This is the attempt to there forsure.
OK. Have you seen Railgun?

(58:55):
MM? Hmm OK, this one you'll need.
I believe it's the main character Sister Kuroko Shirai.
I believe it's the little sister.
If I'm not so not actually her little sister.
Oh. She's acts like it.
She yeah, don't watch rail. Gun OK, I won't.

(59:15):
Especially don't watch the dub, OK?
She says she says Onaison like that's how she refers to her and
the the English translation in the dub is Sissy.
Nice. So is it Kuroko they're talking

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about? Yes.
If anyone Railgun was a gremlin it would be her.
It's been a while. My heart says no.
There's too much attempting to do certain things and like her
personality is a bit of an act in some ways.

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And again, to me, you have to naturally, it's not behaving
like a gremlin, it's being a gremlin.
And that is I, I think she's a little off, but I definitely see
the vision there. I I just need I need your input
for that. And then the last one is ASA
KUSA. I believe it from keep your

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hands off eyes Oaken the the best way to describe it is the
small gremlin girl. Yeah, the one that looks like a
gremlin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is another one where I'm just willing to be like, yeah,
sure, like 100% like, you know, I I'd have to remember Izokin a
little bit better than I do to like give my my pure like

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platonic definition. Yes or no.
But sometimes someone just again, the ideas that you if you
look at the object and you know what it is.
And when I look at her, I know she's a gremlin.
I know it's a it's the twin turbo thing.
Oh, sure. Yeah, like for me, yes, 100%.

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Like OK, OK, wait, I'm going to post a picture and thing I'm
going to send it to Trent to puton the screen.
But like as you can see on this picture, you can't not be a
gremlin. Like it is just impossible.
And if you're showing me, I can't see it so.
I just put it on anime recording.
Oh, OK, still can't see it. OK, so that was all of our

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Discord submissions and now we're all wrap up the episode
with our personal Mount Rushmore.
I went first for the definition.So, Miles, I want to give you
give your Mount Rushmore. OK, I'm I'm going to, I wonder
if we're going to have any overlap because of our our

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slightly, I'm guessing no. OK, so I'm going to pick someone
we haven't mentioned from a showwe both very much loved from
last season. OK, I'm going to pick Ponco from
Apocalypse Hotel. Ponco as yeah, because see this

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is this is like the the Oron foryou where it's like at the at
points she was absolutely a gremlin and then afterwards
significantly less a gremlin. I would still qualify as a
gremlin, but. So for me, here's a few things.
One, she does become a little more ordered, right?
She likes working for the hotel and stuff.

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And ultimately none of that fucking matters because she
still has giant Mecca fights with what's her name.
You know, she's a Tanooki. They're they're living in shit.
They're throwing shit around. Will they clean up later?
She yeah, there's a there's a weapon of mass destruction that
she reads about. And she's like, we need to build
this. We absolutely have to.

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It doesn't matter if it serves no purpose.
Like we have to do it because ofwhat you know.
And she like riles everyone up and she's purely chaotic.
And there's no point in that. There's no reason she does that.
And there's just so many momentslike that where she just does
these absolutely off the wall chaotic things.
She has this very close demeanorthat she puts on sometimes.

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But I actually think that sometimes that's in like a, in
the vein of a of a more chaotic energy.
But what I remember her taking the chainsaw out, I remember
like it's just a bunch of impulsive chaotic decisions.
Sometimes they hurt people, likewhen she made them build a
satellite for no reason. And you know, but like, that's
sort of what I mean. It doesn't need to be like an

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evil action. It just needs to be something
that's a little careless at the least.
And for me, she sort of sums that all up, at least the
different parts in the show. But I love her character so much
that I'm putting her right on onmy list.
Love it. And oh, do you want to go back

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and forth or you want to do bam,bam, bam, bam, bam.
What do you want to do? You want me to go?
You want to. Do so.
Let's go back and forth. Let's do that.
OK, so we mentioned her earlier.I think she's gremlin adjacent,
but she falls under my goblin category.
She was the winner of my best girl of the year last year.
I just adore her character and sort of the whatever, all the

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things that she brings to the table and that's Yuki from
Shoshamin series. I just I love her.
I love her demeanor. I love her presence that she
brings and sort of like this psychopathic character on the
inside but you know, cute littlegirl on the outside and I think
that sort of reflects her character a lot and it drives me

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towards that show and makes me really fall in love with that
character. I adore Yuki and I think she is
a top tier gremlin and goblin. OK, my next pick is a character
that I kind of can't believe hasnot come up.
It's from a show we both love. I'm gonna pick Aqua from Konosu

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so. That's a good one.
Right I and I thought of this story.
I just completely she left my mind.
But all of the impulsive drinking and money spending and
everything she does is a spur ofthe moment decision.
She has the cute little small faces she does sometimes.
She is pure chaos and is just. I think she is great at it.

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Like the scene of her just vomiting and then drinking again
the next day. That is a gremlin good.
Answer. Good answer, I like that I I
didn't consider Aqua as a gremlin but like everything that
she does is like gremlin energy for sure.
That's a great pick. Love that my number 2 is Anya

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Forger from Spy Family. I I think she's just a bundle of
fun when it comes to being a rambunctious child gremlin.
The the situations that she getsput into or puts herself into
and just the outcomes of these actions that she has are silly
and fun and normally not very consequential.

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And I think that's a very important part of being a
gremlin itself, especially someone of her age where it's
sometimes it's like jokingly like the fate of the world is at
stake, but like, it's more of just like the her normal days
going along at school and being like a wild child at some point.
So I put her as my second spot of my Mount Rushmore.

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And I would say some of the bestGremlin faces in the business
come from. Smog.
Yeah, her smog faces. Are just the machine like the
little giggle thing is absolutely important.
OK, for three, you know her, youprobably don't love her, but I
do. And I'm going to pick Haruhi
Sousamiya, who I just think is 1A classic gremlin and

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inspirational for a lot of gremlins that came after.
And then two, really just does exemplify to me what the concept
of a gremlin is. And it's just this chaotic,
bored, doing whatever they can to entertain themselves without
necessarily thinking about others person.
Oh great answer love that one. My number 3 is Taiga from

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Toradora. I I love the just everything
that she brought, like antagonistically, I would say
into Toradora sort of like whilebeing cute and fun in a lot of
instances that she did bring a different level of chaos.
I would say it's not like like this one, like involved like her

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family and stuff like that, likea personal stuff that kind of
was like a a realer moment that I would say than most gremlins.
And I I appreciate that. I like her character a lot and
she's a lot of she's a bundle offun.
It wouldn't qualify for you since she's a Sundere, but I
think that she does a lot of gremlin things that would
qualify her for me. And I mean Tora Dora's one of my

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favorite shows of all time, so Ihad to include.
Tiger yeah, my last pick is gonna be a character from a
thing that I I don't really likethat much as far as its media
is. But I think she is just a
gremlin and it's just sort of undeniable, you know, and I
don't like all the presidents onMount Rushmore, but there they
are. Yep.
And so I'm gonna put power from Chainsaw Man up there.

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I think she absolutely has that gremlin energy.
Things like not flushing the toilet, amongst other things.
The sort of slop she lives in, how she doesn't really plan
ahead too much. She just does things
impulsively. Sometimes it goes good for her
and sometimes it goes bad for her, and sometimes it hurts
people and sometimes it helps people.

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For me that is. And she has that feral energy I
talked about, like very much. So at the beginning, I think
Power is just such a gremlin. And she has her place on my
Mount Rushmore. Hell yeah.
OK. And my last one, you mentioned
it with Harwie. This is who I think of when I
think of Gremlin. I think she is the staple.

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I think she is the prototype. I think this is what people look
at for Gremlins. She is the Caitlin Clark of
Gremlins. And that's Clara from Welcome to
Demon School, Earmakun. She's like Anya but on, I don't
know, large amounts of cocaine. Everything that she brings is

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just hilarious and fun. Like the fact that her she.
Looks like 1. Her, her flip flops are like
crocodile teeth and stuff like that.
She's always out of control and wild.
She I think would fit perfectly in her miles where she is not
thinking past five seconds from now.
She is pure just go go go go go whatever happens happens type of

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thing. And every character, every
physical characteristic and non physical characteristic.
I feel like she fits the mold perfectly.
Or a gremlin. And when I think Gremlin, I
think Clara from Welcome to Demon School.
I've never heard of this character before.
I Googled her and yes, 100% one of those characters that you
just look at and you go, Yep, that's you don't need to break

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it down. You don't need to think about
it, you know, and 100% great, great answer there.
If you see like GIFs of her, it will even cement that even more.
She is a bundle of fun. If you like Gremlins and you
haven't seen Welcome to Demon School Earmakun.
Even if you don't like Gremlins,if you haven't seen Welcome to
Demon School Earmakun. Fantastic show.

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We're getting a fourth season soon.
So Miles, we've reached the end of the gremlin episode.
How do you think it came upon? Like?
How do you how do you feel aboutthis episode?
You got any parting words? Any final thoughts on gremlins
that you forgot but now you remember?
Yeah, I, I think it went well. I was nervous going into it
because, you know, I don't know,it's just sort of, it's a hard

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thing to define, as you can tellfrom Pete and I doing it.
Some of the answers we got from our our discord.
It's definitely more of a vibe than a strict definition.
And you know, vibes are going tovary from person to person.
But I think we had a fun conversation.
I think we had a good conversation about exploring the
differences in our choices and everything.
I liked your little hierarchy of, you know, mischievous

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creatures and I'm glad we did it.
I think it was fun. Yeah, me too.
It was fun to break this down, especially if it's like a new,
especially if we see more and more of these type of characters
in our media going forward. It'll be fun to compare and
contrast and see where we land going forward.
But out there, anybody who's listening, if you want to let us
know what you think of Gremlin is, what your Mount Rushmore of

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Gremlins are, let me know. Let us know whether it's in our
Discord, whether it's in our YouTube comments, whether it's
in our Spotify comments. I read every single one of them,
so I will see them. And yeah, it would be fun to
just, you know, get different people's opinions and sort of
see what people are thinking. And if you don't know what a
Gremlin is, hopefully we did a somewhat decent job at
explaining what these charactersare.

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So Miles, thank you for joining.It was a lot of fun.
This actually went longer than Ithought it was going to.
It actually is going longer thanour K pop demon hearts episode,
which is surprising. So that was a lot of fun too.
But thank you everybody. If you have made this far and
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(01:12:29):
doing coming some a kiss so looking forward to that.
Otherwise in two weeks I'm doingsomething, don't know yet but
something will come out in two weeks though I've done this 100
times. I'll figure something out by
then but on behalf of Miles and myself I want to say thank you
and we will see you next time. Bye.
Bye bye, bye bye bye bye, bye, bye, bye, bye bye.