Anime Shark Tank Payoff (Utena, Dororo, Yatagarasu, Sarazanmai, Berserk, Durarara, Evangelion)

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Home me now. I'm.
Finally fulfilled. This is what my heart's been
waiting for. Home me now.
I'm finally fulfilled. Pick me.
Up to dance and pick me. Up, ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to what you say anime. I'm your host, Peter.
Several months ago, we did an episode based off the popular TV

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show Shark Tank where we negotiated, swindled and dealed
each other some anime and some manga to consume.
And on today's episode, we're here to report back on those
stories. This is going to be a very, very
spoiler heavy episode on a bunchof different properties.
So in the description below, there will be time stamps for
each property that we're talkingabout so you can get your matrix

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on and dodge every bullet that you need to join me today is the
OG cast from our Shark Tank episode, Miles, Pat, Jolene and
Cat. We got a lot and I mean a lot to
get to. So let's dive into our first
show that we were all technically assigned to watch,
and that was a revolutionary girl, Utna, who would like to
start. Yeah, So I have been dictated to

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start a little behind the scenespeek.
I still think it's a bit weird, but we'll go with it.
I I like it happens. I don't know what to say.
I can't It's OK. Look, no one else said yes and
you were like miles do it. And I am nothing if not a
doormat, as my mom likes to tellme during paternity leave and I

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fell in love with it. It definitely shows his age in a
few different ways, but ultimately I think it's like a
very solid story with interesting characters and it's
a lot of fun and also has some sort of like heavy hitting
moments. And you can see a lot of the
influence it's had throughout anime, especially if you've

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watched Witch for Mercury where it's secretly just the same
thing. So and but Choo Choo has Afro
bombs instead of mouse ears and Witch for Mercury.
So I guess my thought would be like, does anybody want to start

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off on what they thought about this?
Was it what they expected? You know, I talked to Pete a
little bit as he was watching it, So I have a little idea
there, but. Yeah.
I I can, I can start us off. Yeah.
Because I agree with some of what you've said.

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Like I, I really did think it was, I think they did the
character development really well.
And I think that even though it does show its age in terms of
its animation and repeating things multiple times, I don't
think it, I think it was, still is really cool.
And there are so many iconic shots and things from it that

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like directing, like directorially, it's, it's really
beautifully done. What frustrated me was this
didn't feel like it needed to be39 episodes.
I felt like I was watching the same 4 episodes in a cycle over
and over again with I mean, I, Ithink I commented to you right
that oh, it's like a, this is like Pokémon but for girls or

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whatever, right? And it's like, like the the
store, like it's repetitive. Just defend, oh, beating the gym
leader or in this case, she's defending her crown from the OR
not her crown, her, her title from all these different
challengers coming in like it. It just felt very like monster

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of the week, but and, and over and over and over again with the
same like 3 lessons being learned by the different
characters, which is where I wasgetting very frustrated with it
because like, yeah. And then by the end of it, it
pulls it all the way back aroundto like it was a really, I think
an interesting story, but I was just took a lot for me to finish
this. I think I I don't know how if

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anyone else feels the same way. Yeah.
So like, I guess to answer that really quickly, I, I would
agree. I think a lot of things from the
time period sort of have that monster of the week category
sort of thing like I I've watched, you know, like Sailor
Moon, for example, and you can kind of cut out a lot of the
middling episodes. You know, so it'll start off,

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you'll get the plot established,then it will monster of the week
for a while and then it will tieeverything up and like actually
have plot and it'll probably be like, you know, half and half,
but the middle half tends to be a little whatever.
Now, I do agree Udina has that, but they do I think towards the
latter half sort of go away fromthat.

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And you do have things like the Nana Me episodes, which.
Add some. Spice to them.
Amazing. Pure art.
Yeah, I, I they were funny. I will give a credit to show
credit too. It was a lot funnier than I
expected it to be. The elephants falling off the
Alps or whatever when she was like climbing a mountain.

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I thought that was like the funniest thing.
And then it'll occasionally hit you with like the feels on them
and stuff too, which I thought was fun.
Does anyone else have thoughts on that?
Does Jolene or Pete have thoughts on either Pat's
thoughts or my thoughts or the show your own thoughts?
Yeah, I I enjoyed it quite a bithonestly.

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Like I also had to watch Sarah Zonmi for this if I recall
correctly and I did. And seeing the DNA of Utna is
just clear as day and that sort of thing in terms of just like
how open-ended everything feels and like how out there the
themes are presented like in a very, you know, artsy fartsy

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sort of way. But Utina is just iconic.
Like, as you watch it, you can really see its influence in so
many different things from, you know, outright things like you
said, like, which from Mercury to things that are a little bit
more subtle, like kill the kill or, I don't know, just think of

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literally anything with, like, an overbearing student council
with more power than God. Yeah.
You know, yeah. Literally the more gotten power
than DIOS, yeah. I think that overall my favorite
part of this show was definitelythe sound design in terms of
just like how things sounded in general, as well as the OST.

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There was a lot of great stuff there, a lot of just outright
bangers. Like the theme whenever Utun is
going to duel somebody is something I basically never
skip. I liked the OP and the EDI, Love
that at points it just devolves into like a 10 minute long AMV.
That's basically my favorite sort of thing.

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So I enjoyed this quite a bit. I do agree that like 39 episodes
feels drawn out even for like a good show a lot of the time.
And this is a good show, don't get me wrong, but it's kind of
similar to how I felt when I waswatching Part 3 of Jojos, which
is like 36 episodes. I want to say I was past a

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certain point. You're just kind of like, Oh my
God. I would love to see like the
plot move a little bit faster orsomething like that.
But this is a very character based show, rather than like,
there's definitely a plot, but the plot is just there to propel
our characters into conflict with each other.
I know that sounds like a very basic, you know, like
explanation of storytelling, butthis show is like, very much so

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that yeah, it was good. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
I must say something but you guys have to wait for me to
finish before this show to me isthe exact same feeling I felt
when I watched Ava. It was a show where there's so
many different, each episode hadso many different like themes

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and messaging where they all sort of related to just being
the age of a girl, I feel like. But how they broke it up into
like episodic formats remind me a lot of dissecting Ava
episodes. And something that I really
found incredible about Ava was it's a show where if you want to
deep dive into it, you can. And I think you get more out of

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it if you do, but if you don't, it's still an enjoyable show.
I think Una had the same thing where I was thoroughly
entertained the entire time. And there are a couple different
like conflicts that they had that I want to go into more.
Like I want to understand the messaging and the theme more.
And maybe some Easter eggs throughout the show that were
maybe hidden that I missed the first time around that I could

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catch the second time or something in like a video essay
of some sorts. It was a show that just
captivated me throughout. I do think it was a little long,
but by the end of it, I kind of it's it's weird because like in
the middle, I do feel like it was kind of dragging a little
bit and then by the end of it I was like, I want more like I I
don't care. So it was it was a it was a fun

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mix of feeling a little draggy to me wanting more content.
I thought this show was absolutely incredible.
I think it holds up even now. There was some really repetitive
moments, but like the song, likethe apocalypse song was like
such a good song of like I don'tcare.
Also, this 30 times. This is a banger.
This is, I mean, thank you, Miles, for finally getting us to

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watch this because this was an incredible show.
Incredible. I guess it like you, you you
mentioned the middle parts thereand that's where I'm I'm hung up
on where it's like they do. She beats everybody and then she
has to beat everybody again in adifferent order basically
because they keep coming back tochallenge her.
And, and I did like the way thatthey were pushed to that by the

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Black Rose stuff. But it's just like at the same
time, I almost just wish that's all that happened in the 1st
place rather than the initial. Like I, that's where I, I was so
frustrated because like you said, the, there were a lot of
really cool things. And it's like, I feel like this
could have been 27 episodes or 20 even or something like that.
And it would have been more condensed and it would have

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probably hit the same for me, ifnot better for me.
I think like for me, I I wanted,I guess I I just kept expecting,
oh, this will be the episode where it we really keep moving
forward. We really keep moving forward.
And then even that doesn't really happen until the final
like 5. So it it was a grind and I'm
glad I am still glad I watched it.

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So yes, thank you Miles, but I. Yeah, I think you could cut some
of like, I don't think like Mickey and Jury necessarily need
to. Yeah, that's exactly where my
mind was going to. Or like maybe just them or
something like it's just sort oflike, I don't think you need to
rehash the entire student council during the Black Rose

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art. You know, I, I, I think like, I,
I don't hate that they did, but in a world where it's like the
early 90s and you have to like reuse X amount of animation and
you have to, you know, like it'sepisodic in like such a way.
I think that maybe there's like some rewriting you can do where

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you do do that, but you also move forward sort of like the
anti Akio plot and stuff. At the same time, it's been a
little while since I watched it,so I don't I don't, I do
remember thinking at times that it was going like a little long,
but ultimately, but you know, I just, I just enjoyed the entire

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thing. And they I think they did get
good character arcs and like explored all of these
characters, even ones who don't necessarily develop because
they're just kind of shitty people.
They they, they, they explore them in a in a good way.
Also, one thing I wanted to clarify because Pete was a

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little confused by this. Achio is like 30 something.
Yeah, I thought he was a teenager the whole time.
Just just a grown ass man. Yeah, which?
We're that that really? That changed a lot when you told
me that. I'm like, oh, this is really
bad, isn't it? He changes appearance a couple

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times too. Does he not, though?
Like, like throughout the story,he kind of ages up and down
depending on what scene he's in It, it looked like.
And that it was intentional. Not in a like, oh, badly drawn
way, like I thought it was intentional, but maybe I, yeah,
I think a lot of things. Oh yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I was just going to say I agree with a lot of what Pete

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said about it being you could godeeper if you wanted to with a
lot of these things. I and I almost caught it felt
like I was catching myself doingthat in the moment, trying to
like read into things too, too much and then doing that so many
times over and over again over the course of 39 episodes.
I think that almost like wore medown rather than I should have
just waited till the end and andthen gone back and gone digging

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for stuff, you know, on my own essentially.
Are you saying you could deeper,go deeper and get on an elevator
that has a changing picture of aCaterpillar?
Yeah, as you go down. That was that was cooler.

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I liked those scenes more than alot of the rest of the show.
I thought that those were reallygood because it was exploring
those characters and I really, I, I think the show nails the
ending by the way, too. Not to not to get.
I mean, I know where we clarified spoilers already, but
we don't want to like just say it outright.
But like that, I thought the ending and the way it got there,

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one of the better ones I've seenout of any.
What is this director's name? Ikahara Ikahara, like any out of
any of his shows and anime in general, even I think that this
nails the ending. It's really good, like, like
compared to, you know, other stuff that you see, I don't
know. Yeah, so there isn't a movie

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called The Adolescence Futina, which does some recapy stuff but
has like a different ending thatis, I believe, more explicitly
queer. Like it was shown at a bunch of
LGBT film festivals and stuff. You know, if you know, you know.
But I can't. I don't want to.

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I want to say something because it's insane is the thing.
The ending of that movie is insane is what it is.
Yeah, it really, you know, much like someone compared it to
Evangelion, there's a a retelling of the ending that's
insane, is a similar thing. What did everyone think?
Episode. I think it's 30.

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The recap. Well, OK, 33 is the recap one,
which I I absolutely love, but Iwas going to say when Anthony
like did people see Anthony literally stabbing Utina in the
back coming? I didn't trust her from the
beginning. OK, yeah, which why would you?
I didn't like her character, so I guess I probably didn't trust
her. But I did catch me surprised by

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surprise in the moment. And then I thought about it.
I'm like, oh, no, duds. A euphemism or it's, you know,
it's meant to be like someone inan abusive relationship, like,
like word for word. She's too scared.
She's too scared. She's fighting the people that
are trying to help her out. So that's why she bat literally
stabs her in the back like, you know, like again.
But I liked that. I thought that that was really

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clever and really well done. It was part of a beautiful
ending. I I was, yeah, I, I did like
that because, you know, it's, it's very hard and like even
Utna, we can talk about this now.
Episode 33 doesn't even she is susceptible to Akio's
abusiveness manipulation, like all of that, and she's able to

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get out of it and break free of it and everything.
But you know, even someone as strong as her.
I I like seeing that someone whois is, you know, as great as
Utna is, is, you know, able to stand on her own and do the
right thing, can still be manipulated by someone like Akio
and you know, she gets there at the end.

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But you know, I it I did a really good job of like, I think
showing her strength and resolveand also the fact that in some
ways she's still like a vulnerable person, like, you
know, the rest of the cast and like fuck, fuck Akio.
So that's I don't know. I really like I thought the
recap episodes in the show, which is a weird thing to say,

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are just unlike very, very well,like I none, you know, more
credit to the team because it's hard to do that well.
But when you have one in the reveal is that, you know, Akio
sort of manipulated sleeping with him, like as it's recaps
are told from her perspective asshe's digesting everything

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that's just happened. It's very I don't know.
I did that episode hit me very hard.
So. Yeah, no, that episode was
great, but we can get to our final thoughts.
Yeah. Una itself, I thought this was
an incredible show. I gave it a nine.
I think that's a possibility of A10 if once I dive more into it,
it's kind of like what I do withAva.
I originally gave Ava 9 and onceI got more and more into it, I

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realized like how much of A masterpiece it is.
And I feel like that's the same for Una.
So I'm really looking forward todiving into like video essays
and other things like detailing Una because I thought the show
was is is exactly what I'm looking for, for like this style
of like messaging and theming and all this stuff.
And if like a realistic fantasy world, I would say so.

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Big fan. Thank you, Miles.
I, I have an 8. I did bump it up a point from
already from our discussion. I, I, I knew I was somewhere in
between there. I wanted to finally get to talk
to someone about it because I did only finish it a few hours
ago too. So I like Pete will go back and
do some more reading as well. I don't know if it's ever going

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to get to A10 for me because I, I'm, I, I didn't enjoy it that
that much, but I, I think it is probably where it's going to
stay for me, But I'm very glad Iwatched it and it's good to
knock it off the list. I, I think also just the weight
of expectation like this is considered like one of the
regarded by critics is like one of the best anime ever.
And I just did not feel that at all.

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Maybe influential is a better word for it.
But then when you read the articles, they say it, you know
what I mean? Like it's, it's framed that way
or it was to me at least in the articles I was reading.
And every time it's on the top of everyone's like older shows
you have to watch, it's like number one or two.
So it's other than even it without Evangelion in there.
So I, I was kind of maybe going and expecting to be too blown

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away. So that's part partly my fault.
But I still think I, I'm really glad I watched it.
And eight out of 10 is a very good score.
So I'm very good. That because it's got some stuff
in it that you're you could can bounce off of sometimes and it
seems like you like. Oh, I did.
I bounced off of them. I bounced off of the incest
constantly. That was pretty weird.

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That was pretty gross, but it ithappens in Sarah's on my 2:00.
But I think it this guy Ikahara seems to handle it pretty well
where it's like he doesn't he doesn't frame it as positive or
as like something that's desirable.
It's kind of more just. Let's manipulate.
Character is. Yes, right.
Like, at first it seems like it's played like a joke with

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Nanami, right? And then as Nanami's little
character art goes on, you sort of realize how much she's been
groomed by her older brother andthat it's like bad.
So it is sort of like a deconstruction of that, like
broke on concept. It's like, OK, what produces

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this kind of person? And it's like not a very stable
life and being a little off kilter and also older brother
who's manipulating you. Yeah, so I also enjoyed this
show quite a bit. Like I said, I think that the
high points for me were definitely the sound design.
I think that the English dub, which I personally watched was

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done really well and had a lot of familiar voices, specifically
from the English dubs for Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh.
Quite a bit of a voice actors incommon there.
The like Pat said, the directionof this was done super well like
there were. There was basically, apart from
the reused animation, there was not really any shots that I

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thought and went this is kind ofboring.
Like I think that everything wasdone with quite a bit of purpose
and I can't really fault them onreusing the animation because it
was 1997 and this was 39 episodes long.
The transformation sequence is so funny.
It's and just walking. I can't.

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I can't. I was just say it's funny to
think about. I I skipped it every time.
I can't lie. Yeah.
No, that's fair. It's it.
Seems to be like 3 episodes of anime watching in theory right?
Like over 39 episodes? It was like 30 minutes of it,
probably, yeah. And all she gets is little
pauldrons. It's, I think it's so funny.

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Like as far as like the redoing the duels and stuff goes, I
think that I kind of agree with that, but I also really enjoyed
jury's like arc in general because I feel like her arc is
just so connected to like the womanhood of like the other two
major female characters, Nana meand Utina.

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Like she literally gives Utina the sword that she uses at the
end. Like I I don't know, like what
else is there to even say? Like it's like a very like
solidarity. She's a very solidarity based
girls girl and you see that throughout the entire time.
So I don't know, I think that like the cast was a bit bloated,
but they were all used to like pretty good, like close to

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perfection in my opinion. So I gave this like an 8 1/2.
It's probably closer to a nine for me, though.
I know we don't do like numeric or half.
This isn't watch club so. Yeah, you do 8 1/2.
Yeah, it's fine. You know, who cares?
By the way, Choo Choo. Best mascot character I've ever

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seen in any anime. I think I like that.
One of the only ones I've ever liked on screen before.
It'd be like, Choo Choo was so funny, like so, so good.
So I really hope. Yeah, I I guess.
Is that really who the G Witch character is supposed to be?
Is that. Is that really?
Yeah. Well, where is the?

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Choo Choo, and then she has likethe mouse, the mouse ears.
So like Gul is the green haired guy, obviously, like I mean
Suleida is Uthna and Minery is Anthony, you know, and it's not
completely one for one because it's also based off of The
Tempest and then like it has itsown stuff going on.
But yeah, it's it's. Hilarious that I I watched both

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of them. Like, like within two weeks I've
watched both of these. Yeah, I guess there is that
connection or I'm seeing it. I've just got I'm only halfway
done with you, which so I will. Yeah, but even from the you
know, she so let her do people at the beginning, she she gets
to be engaged. She.
I I even think about, I even think of that part of the

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connection. Mary is a gardener.
Who is? Yeah, yeah.
All right, we got a lot. We all got a lot of time, so we
need to move on to the next. Show yeah sorry there there
we'll talk about it later back because there's a lot to.
I, I will say this, if anybody'sinterested in anybody's thoughts
on shows that we can go more in depth, leave a comment on

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YouTube or Spotify or coming into Discord and we can talk
about it there. But we have to make this a
hopefully 90 minute episode. We'll move on to a show, a next
show that multiple of people here had and that was Geraro
Raw. I could start with this one and
I'm going to be quick just because I don't really like
talking about shows I didn't like.
I I was not a fan of Derara. This was a show to me that felt

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like there was a lot of things going on but nothing was
happening. I did not like the main
character at all. The characters that I thought
were fantastic were in the show,not as much as I would like.
I watched his dubbed. They have a character named
Andri who is always like sexually objectified the entire

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time. Even towards the end when we had
like an arc of hers, she's stilllike objectified as like the
girl who has big boobs. I think they call her like titsy
once in the dub and like they they call her like crazy names
about how big her tits are. And it was like way too much.
One thing that I really liked about the show was the colors

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until we got the reveal of who the colors were and then there
were a bunch of Redditors. I thought that was kind of like,
boring, but yeah, I this just not my show.
I really like Bacano. I had high hopes coming in this
hoping it'd be Bacano with Jasonand it just wasn't for me.
So that's all I got to say aboutDora.
I watched 3 episodes and said I'm good.

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I'm going to watch Red Line which I'm not sure if I'm happy
I did that or not. Could you explain that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I got Dora Rah with a
three episode buyout clause where if I didn't want to watch
the rest of it, I could go and watch redline the movie instead.
After three episodes, I exercisethat right because I didn't know

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what was going on into Rah Rah. I really, I couldn't really like
pizza sink my teeth into anything that was happening.
I did some reading before I I eventually decided to exercise
that option and the Celt is a cool looking character and
there's a lot of aura there. And I did get to listen to the
OP three times, which is pretty cool, but not not enough for me

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to stay. So I, I essentially I dropped it
in in exchange then for watchingRed Line, which I'm we'll touch
on later. So I am slightly more positive
on it, though it did have its issues for me there.
I'm going to I'm going to do thethings that I liked really
first. I really like the world that
it's in. I like this like gritty

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Ikibukuro with various supernatural elements that are
in it. I think that the the general
mystery of the world that it like presents is is pretty
interesting. And if I liked those answers or
not, it's sort of depended like like Pete.

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I didn't really like what they did with the gangs and that is
something that I just think theysort of tied everything into the
characters a little bit too much.
There was like, everything was like a little too wrapped up in
a bow for me, you know, where every character was secretly
like a gang leader or important to it in every way.

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And like in these more gritty settings, I kind of like having
at least a couple characters whoare out of their depth a little
bit. Not necessarily in like a
negative way, but they're tryingto navigate this and they're not
secretly in charge or whatever. I probably like Celtie the most.
I I have a question for Jolene. Who gave this to us?

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Easier character. Are we supposed to like him?
Not really. OK, that's yeah, I couldn't, I
could never get a good read on that because it it sort of
seemed like it wanted me to think he was the coolest guy
ever. But then also he's just a
massive piece of shit. And so I kind of wish they had

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like, leaned into that a little more.
In the second season, he gets like stabbed by like, oh,
somebody passing by as part of like a assassination thing.
And when he's in the hospital, he's like, yeah, now everybody's
going to come and visit me, especially Shizuo.
And then nobody comes and visitshim.
He's like, damn, I'm a fucking loser.

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OK, good. OK, OK.
I'm glad it gets there because, you know, it starts off and this
was like an argument Pete and I had about like how it was
portraying certain things he wasdoing.
And, you know, I was pretty sure.
I'm like, no, it's definitely going to shine him in a negative
light. And then it like kept going and
it never, I never like really did.

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Now it sounds like it does eventually, which is, which is
nice, but I guess I just sort ofkept expecting that shoe to drop
a little bit. I I didn't like Anri, but like,
not because like the only personwho really makes fun of her
boobs is Masa Moe or whatever. And he's just sort of like a
Cosmo kind of guy. Like that's his vibe and you

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know, like it's not my favorite thing in the world, but like
that's what his character does. So, so be it.
But like her being a a literal serial killer was who who like
was possessed by an ancient sword.
I thought was that was sort of the the thing for me where it's
like, OK, you have this like 3, this cast of like 3 or 4 high

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schoolers. And then like all of them are
like secretly the most importantpeople in this world, like the
head of the dollars or the head of the colors or like a secret
day. And I just sort of wished maybe
they had like had to build themselves up a little bit more.
But I did like the world building.

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This also has some of that incesty stuff we were talking
about from Utna, but I kind of liked it because that doctor.
Lady. Is is crazy and I I like crazy
people. I liked the there was like A
twist about if someone had murdered someone or not and I, I

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liked that. I thought that was pretty good.
Kat, did you watch this? Yes, I did.
I I had agreed to watch the entire thing.
So here's the thing I, I so whenI first started watching anime,
the first thing that I did was Iwanted to watch all the anime
that had all the memes in it. So I watched Matagatri, I

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watched Anita Joe and I wanted to watch this because it had the
this is the anime where the dudepunches somebody so hard he
flies off, all his clothes fly off and he's down out of his
underwear. I was really, really happy with
that scene cable and because it felt like hitting a bucket list
for me. But honestly, this show was just

(30:43):
really fun for me, mainly because it felt like I was
watching and this is going to sound weird, it's just vibes,
but it felt like I was wanting to meet you Joe again.
I would not beat you Joe, not Baca again, because it's just
it's just so I've looked at everything.
It was like balls to the wall and I was having so much fun

(31:06):
that I didn't really care about the the things that were
happening. It was just like, hell yeah,
dude gets knocked across the screen.
Let's go. Like it was.
So it was so much fun for me. Like it, honestly, I, I, I, I, I
don't think I could watch this critically because it's just too

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much fun for me because I, I just really enjoyed, I just
really enjoyed the bobs of it. Jolene, did you have anything
that you wanted to say about Dora?
Yeah, I don't know, I enjoy thisshow bit I think that most of
y'all's complaints are like valid enough for the sort of
stuff that y'all normally like. So like, I can't really like

(31:54):
fault you on them. They're mostly like opinion
based obviously. I don't know, I just really like
the cast of characters in this. I'm big on shows that have like,
you know, colorful cast of characters where it feels like
everybody is doing something to move the plot.
Like, I like shows that have a wide variety of characters and

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they all feel relevant, which it's something I like about a
show that we'll talk about later.
Yata Garasu. I think that a lot of the
intrigue in this show is pretty interesting.
But yeah, the main character is definitely one of the weaker
points and that limits it quite a bit.
And I don't know, like, I'm gladthat everybody got a chance to

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watch it 'cause there's no chance it would ever win, like
R2 Core or something like that, you know?
So it was AW for me, even if, you know, we're kind of like
whatever on it. Yeah, there were fun parts.
Yeah, those are for sure fun part.
And I, I don't know, I really like the vibe of it.
I think as Kat had mentioned, like the the grungy Igibukuro,

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like I really liked that aspect of it.
And I don't think it was always executed perfectly, but I think
there's a world where it, I don't know, like there's a lot
of like structuring of it that I, that I did enjoy, you know,
and then it's sort of like when that structure gets filled in,
it's not my favorite thing, but I, I, I, I don't know, I see the

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vision memoro. Miyanu on the Ankita as well.
Was fun to hear his voice and belike oh I know that guy, you
know. He's the goat that's draw.
Another show that a couple of ushad to watch was Draw Row Row.
Not to be mistaken with Derrara RA RA.

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I only got 6 episodes. I'm gonna go first cuz I
probably have the least context or whatever to put into this.
I thought through 6 episodes this show was a 10 out of 10.
I have literally nothing bad to say.
I was blown away by everything that the show did.
I hope somebody nominates this for two core because through 6
episodes it was perfect. I loved everything about Derrara

(34:11):
Rao, like the openings, the sound design, the character
design, the animation, the ending.
Like it was all on point. Like this show was fantastic.
I can't wait to finish it. Yeah, I really enjoyed this show
quite a bit. I do agree that I don't know if
I would say it's a 10 out of 10,but it's definitely like a nine

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or above for me. I think that the main point that
I take off for it as the two core show is that they do change
the OP at one point and changingfrom a.
Changing. From a queen BOP is minus a like
half a point. For me at the very.
Least, unfortunately, because that the way they do it is just
so perfect is the thing. I think that it's a, this is a

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show that has a lot of like deeper meaning to it as you like
look into like the folklore that's involved with it.
It's a very important like show as well.
Whenever you look into the history of Dororo itself, like
the original manga back in like the 50s and stuff like that, in
the context of when and why it was created, I love it.

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I think that this show is just fantastic.
I think I got like 15 episodes on because I watched a bit more,
but I'm going to finish it at some point for sure.
And I would also love to have itnominated for the 2 core.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Miles, how many episodes did youhave?
Are you? Not I did 12.

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You did 12 all right. Why don't you go first?
Because I I did the whole show so.
OK cool, I'm a mute on cat box. I had a great.
Time. Oh no, I can't because I'm
recording. Just take the heads.
Off. I'll give you that.
I yeah, I thought this was really good for me.
It's like a it's a nine with like 10 potential, like

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depending on how everything wraps up and every, you know,
all of that. I really liked the dynamic of
Deraro is the kid and I always it's yes, sorry, we were just
talking about Derararah and Deraro, and we've previously
watched Doro Hedero and yeah, Dawn to Dawn.

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But yeah, Yakimaru and his brother I think is interesting.
And I really liked, at least so far, the characterization,
characterization of his brother where it seems to be really
humanizing of him, which is awesome.
I was a giant fan of that because like, yeah, their dad

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sucks and they set him up to be sort of like a spoiled nepo baby
type. But like, from what I've seen so
far, he's just a chill. Well, that's the wrong word.
He's a good guy trying his best not.
Honorable and venerable. Exactly.
Yes, and he cares about like righteousness and doing right by

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the people that he is sworn to protect.
And so, you know, I really like that.
I think the whole story is good.If there is any minus now is the
Deroro themselves doesn't reallydo a ton except for hang around.

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And if the series is named afteryou, I want you to be spunky and
do stuff so. That's all for the audience, but
they also do get involved in thesecond-half of the show in a in
a different way. Like there's, there's, there's.
I'm interested to see where theygo because there's a lot of

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potential there for going a couple of different ways.
So you know, we will see. But I was a big fan of it.
I'm glad to watch it. I'm definitely going to finish
it up. I guess I'd be fine with it
being in the 2 Core 2 that's coming up soon.
I guess in the grand scheme of everything, so.
February. Six months.
Yeah, I was gonna say that's notsuit at all.

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That's about as far away as it could be.
Well, eleven months. Well, I meant like if you're if
we were going around the world, it would be the furthest point
from us. Correct if time was a circle.
So there we go. A flat 1.
Yep. And so those are my thoughts and

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I will deafen so Pat can spoil things.
Yeah, please do. Cat did.
Did you? You gave this to all of us,
right? I did.
I love this show. Oh, it was so much fun.
Well, everyone else is deaf and other than Pete, but you know,
it's OK. I'm I'll talk to the audience
then. You know, it's fun.
Hey, guys, don't forget to vote for Lazarus in in watch club.

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No, but to to to focus more backin on this.
I loved this show. I had so, so much.
It was probably my favorite showthat I got given as well.
Yep, yeah, I got you, Pete. Easily my favorite show that I
got given. I think there's just no doubt in
my mind. I love this setting.
I love the story. I don't have it at a perfect 10

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out of 10 for me, but I'm thinking about it.
It's really that close. Like I I had so, so much fun
with it. I, I thought I didn't, it was a
little monster of the weekie like what we were talking about
with with Utna a little bit earlier, but it wasn't that bad.
It wasn't noticeably bad. I agree with what Miles was

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saying about his brother character.
He is so, so well done and I think that the show nails his
character and most of the characters in the show
extremely, extremely well. So thank you so so much for
giving this to us. I'm really glad it made me sad
as people kept dying the the theflaming horse coming into out of
nowhere. Like I thought, I wish that

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there was more development on that.
Like the the final arc was a little thrown together, but it
was good enough. It was still, but like the
resolution in the story buildingup to it was so, so good that I,
you know, I wasn't going to knock it more than at at most a
point at this point. You know, it's not going to sink
below a nine for me. This show was awesome.
Probably one of my favorite shows I've watched in the last
like two or three years. So thank you so much for giving

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it to us. And yeah, do you have anything
that you want to add to it before or will yours be spoiler
free so maybe we can invite the others?
Oh yeah. Mine will be.
Spoiler free. All right, you're good.
You're good. Put your headphones back on.
We're back. We're good now.
Sorry, I was really going to message you, but there we go.
OK, so no cats going to go spoiler free now, so keep that,
yeah. So I watched Joro, the season

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that was coming out, and I was really surprised that nobody
else was watching it. And one of the things that was
really, really good that I really, really liked was how
like at during the time where wewere watching, we were playing
anime, music quiz and all that stuff together.
When we would get Duro and we would get the first OPI was

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like, why is this not pulling you guys to it?
But like I, I love this show. The funny thing is that yeah,
the Mango, the manga. Sorry, the manga Mango.
Put out mangoes are delicious. Mangoes are delicious.
Actually I have a yellow mango. Anyway, so the the manga was

(41:26):
written in the 50s and then the first anime for it Dora wrote to
Hiyakimaru was done in 69. So this is actually.
A retelling of it and the. And I actually, I surfed the web

(41:46):
to get the to watch the first, the first rendition of it.
And it like, this is the better version of it, let's put it that
way. Like it it.
Yeah. It's, oh, I mean, no, no, yeah.
No shit show animated now or like five years ago is better

(42:07):
than something from 1969. Like that's you know, like I, I
think that the the standards have got changed a little bit.
You know, I did. I did look up some clips from it
though. It was really cool.
I I watched a couple clips from the original.
It was very cool to see a lot ofthe the OG stuff around this
manga like what Jolene was saying earlier too.

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There's a lot of cool stuff if you dig into it so but sorry
can't continue. What were you saying about the
1969 one? Yeah, the 1969 version is, it
definitely has some interesting,some interesting like tone
shifts, like it's not, it's not the same because it feels a lot
more black and white. And this just feels like a much

(42:49):
more more emboldened and more nuanced story versus the versus
the 69 rendition of it. So, so an example of that with
the 69 one, at least from the the reading I did about it, you
guys are all how many episodes in minimum 6 was it?
So you guys have already seen what Neo and what happens to

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her? Yes, that's where.
It the kids and the orphan kids yeah, perfect example of that in
the original in the 1969 anime in the manga, of course, this
happens and it's very explicitlyshown in the way that it happens
in in the current one. But in the 1969 one, they
similar to like how old movies and westerns didn't like show
women getting kids getting shot on screen or whatever.

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It does not go that way at all in the original in the original
anime from 1969. So it's very, very different in
that regard. But they but then Cat, like Cat
said, there's still a lot of thetone shifts too versus in this
it's a lot smoother and you know, the Gray areas explored a
little bit more as well, which Ireally liked.
I, I know you guys definitely for it, but no, I, I had this at
a nine out of 10, if not higher.So like one of my favorite shows

(43:57):
that I've watched in the last five years.
So so I would highly advise you guys watch it on your own.
But if you nominated for watch club, I will gladly talk about
it again because the show was so, so, so, so, so, so good.
Oh my God. Oh yeah, alright.
And we're moving on to our last show that people, more than one
person, watch, and that is Yata,Garasu, Jolene and Kat watched

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this. So which one of you 2 would like
to start? I'll go first since that was the
one that since that was the one that.
OK, you watched more episodes than Jolene did, so maybe Jolene
goes first. OK, that's true.
OK. Oh, I'll make it relatively
quick because I want to watch a little bit more of this before I
form like a fully made opinion. But I enjoy this show quite a

(44:44):
bit. I've always loved like Game of
Thrones and House of the Dragon and stuff with like palace
intrigue and I think like, you know, Apothecary Diaries as
well. I think that this scratches that
itch in like a really grounded fantasy world.
There's a lot of stuff in the like world building that is
shown at the beginning and they don't tell you anything about it

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because why would these characters ask anything about
it? This is their life.
But then there's, like, it makesyou ask questions.
You're like, OK, well, why? Like, they use, like, big Ravens
as like, horses. What's going on?
There are those people. And the answer is like, Oh yeah.
Those are people. Why yes.
Why I think that it's it's done super well.

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The characterization of the maincharacter and as well as like
the 2 royal brothers, that sort of thing is done incredibly.
I loved like seeing the different like concubines from
each house and seeing how they differ from each other and their
interpersonal relationships as well.

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Overall, I think that this is a show that has a ton of potential
for me and I honestly just need to like sit down and binge it
all in one sitting and maybe even take some like notes and
stuff like that. Because there is.
I feel like I'm missing out on alot of stuff actually every time
I watch it. Not gonna lie.
It's one of those shows that just makes me feel a little bit

(46:11):
dumb with how well written it is.
I I'd I made a mistake because Ithink we did 10 episodes and
you're about to get like the first big what the fuck moment
the next episode. So I'll be really intrigued.
Be really intrigued to see how you like the show, even I bet
even more after you watch the next episode.

(46:32):
Yeah. I remember you guys when this
show first this was on it came out last year, right?
Like very recently. I remember when you guys were
talking about it. I was very curious about it and
I was reading all the spoilers. Not that I've retained any of
it, but I do remember like enjoying the discourse around
it. There was a lot of discussion in
our Discord about it, which you should join, by the way.

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Thanks, Pat. But Kat, sorry, I jumped in
there too. So I think you're what did you
think about Yatsagaratsu? Oh man, so when I got this, I
was fresh out of the first season of Apothecary Diary.
So I was like, I need something else to watch.

(47:16):
And I first started this one like after, after after Shark
Tank. And then I was just like, oh
God, this is going to be that show.
And I, I think I remember watching this in like in the
span of like 3 days. So I just binge the hell out of
this. This show was so much It was so

(47:41):
much fun with how well the worldbuilding is done and going
through towards the end and why certain things are are the way
they are. And like especially the the
raisins, which funnily enough not really a spoiler, but like

(48:01):
the the Ravens. Spoilers, it's OK.
I think I understood that even. Well no, you didn't say that
they they strap the third leg. Oh true.
Yeah, always keep the third leg strapped, fellas.
Yeah. They strap the third leg.
That's how they become Ravens the entire time, which is

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honestly one of the one of the worst ways to make somebody a
slave anyway. Yeah, I, I completely, I am
enthralled with this show. I, I, I need a second season if
they're going to give us one. Yeah, the Cliff, if you like
cliffhangers and you like plot twists, like this is the show

(48:45):
for you. Because how the show ends is
like, what the fuck? Like I need Season 2 right now
because it's I'm not going to say anything because Jolene
doesn't watch it, but it's it's like that good of a cliffhanger.
Fucking hate cliffhangers but that cliffhanger was like.
I'm crossing my fingers that Writer Sharp just reads it and

(49:08):
just tells me what happens because I think it's based off
of a novel and not a light novelso.
It it says in the at least on Mal because I see that it's
there's a manga as well or two of them technically, but there's
also a regular novel in the source that for the anime is
specifically the novel, not the manga.

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That's. What I thought, OK, well that is
for all the things that we consumed as like multiple
people. Oh, if you guys had any final
thoughts before we move on. Love the show.
It's not an attempt for me. Oh yeah.
You guys are different quickly. I thought you guys were done and
then like I saw I undef and and Pete's like and the way it ended

(49:50):
was the big and I was like, oh. That's not really like a
spoiler. A show ends on a clip.
I don't know. I I just didn't know what was
coming. Sure you were going to I, I
didn't know what was going to happen.
Like what happened? All right, well, everything else
we had was either like individual, maybe one or other

(50:13):
person did it, but I'll run through what I started with and
then we can just go in order. Should we do the should we start
with good or bad? Bad.
OK, Cat said bad and this is directed at bad.
I directed that cat cat I had toread the manga that you
recommended to me Black Tour, which which for people this this

(50:33):
is a manga that got axed throughout its serialization and
then like 12 years later it has been announced it's getting an
anime for some reason. I don't understand why Cat I
know that you really enjoyed this story and it seems like you
had a lot of fun and you like recommending it to people.
This shows this this story sucksass, man, I'm sorry.

(50:55):
It is it is so basic. Like the main character fighter
dude merges with a cat spirit, becomes cat spirit fighter dude.
They're just fighting because it's it's like not even like
meathead shown in because I feellike meathead shown in has like
silly characters and interactions where it's a lot of

(51:17):
fun. This was like a meathead shown
in trying to be something serious, like they were trying
to like present a story. I felt like that was deeper than
what it actually was. I was only like 40 chapters, so
that's a huge plus because if this was any longer I probably
would have like burned my computer.

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I don't know, I give it like a three.
I thought it was like, I'm sorryCat.
It's probably the worst Finnish manga I've ever read.
Moving on to the good, though, is what is what Jolene Reckoned.
To be the bugle. Call when this anime drops,
whenever it drops, this is goingto be like monumental bugle Call

(51:59):
is Next up. This this story is so fucking
good. It's it's also just so unique.
It's like the main character of the story is like a musician.
I'm just gonna say musician. I'm being broad, but like in the
military, but when he plays his instrument, shit happens and
other people have other really cool things where shit happens

(52:22):
and a bunch of shit happens. Like outside of like what I
normally read, you know, like byskip and loafers and my
insomniacs after school, that type of stuff.
I think this is like, it's maybenot my favorite manga ongoing,
but I think it is the best ongoing manga in all of manga.

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I think it's that good. I think the storytelling is
elite. I think how they proceed or how
they like flush out the character is is elite.
When this anime drops, it's going to be massive.
I want WIT Studio to do this. Whoever did Ranking of Kings is
who I want to create Bugle Call.But yeah, Jolene, this was Bugle

(53:04):
Call. Is is it?
It is it and that is all I had. So I'm gonna toss over the miles
and he can go whatever he had. And if he talks shit about
Berserk Amo, I'm I'm gonna fly over there.
Miles brings up a great point that I actually did give all of
these. Before I talk shit about.
Oh my God. Yeah, You know, it's OK.

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It's OK. It's one of the ones that all of
us have watched, actually. Oh.
My God, any of the. Others that we did beforehand.
It's OK, it's funny too, 'cause that shit, we literally brought
up the show during the show, butnone of us had flagged to us.
None of us had flagged in our heads like, oh, that's not on
our. Itinerary.
I forgot. My bad.
Yeah, I have the itinerary rightin front of.
Me and I didn't. I did.

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But it wasn't on. That's on me.
It did flag for me after Pete started talking about.
I don't think it was on the itinerary.
No it. Wasn't.
No, that's the point. It wasn't, and none of us caught
that either, which I thought wasfunny.
OK, well, I just talked so you guys talk about Star Wars on
just that. I I could, well, I could start
it off and just like talk about why I recommended it in the

(54:06):
first place. So I give Sarah's on my out.
I don't even remember if we talked about why we gave it out
when we did this episode like 10months ago, but basically I, I
really had been nominating it for watch club a lot.
I think the music and it's a banger.
It's Ikohara. So the guy again that we just
talked about him for a while with Revolution girl Utna and a
lot of other iconic anime. We've I I thought that that was

(54:28):
a really fun tie in and I thought it would be a good watch
club show and it just never seemed to get any legs.
It seems like it's not under theradar too, which is weird
because I watched it while it aired and that that's not very
normal for me with the show. That's so not my like, it
doesn't seem like it would fit my vibe, I don't think generally

(54:48):
speaking, but I really liked it.I thought it was a it was just
chaos, but like in a fun, somewhat controlled way at
least. And and that's where it
connected with me a lot. That first episode, the first
dance sequence and or, or whatever synchronized moment
that they have is so funny to me, gets me every time.

(55:09):
So yeah, I would love to hear your guys's thoughts on it.
I know I've, I think I've eithertalked or seen you guys talk
about it a little bit at least, but I would love to hear your
more detailed thoughts on it as we get started here.
I really enjoyed this show quitea bit.
I think that the themes of this one were a bit easier to digest
than Utana, probably because of the guy had like 20 years more

(55:30):
experience in directing and writing and and such after that.
But the DNA of Utana is like very clearly in there like after
you watch both of them. I think that the dub for this
was pretty fun as well and one of the few things where they had
like dubbed music as well. And the only downside is that

(55:54):
out of like the three main guys,only one of them could really
sing super well. So like for some of the other
ones, it was just kind of like, but that one guy, he was singing
though, like you could tell he was really into it.
The show's like super fucking gay.
My God, is it gay. Some of the gay shit I've ever
watched and I watched like givenin the given movies recently.

(56:18):
So yeah, I I enjoyed this quite a bit.
Overall though, I think I gave I.
Mean there were literal otters in this like the symbolism is.
True. I think I gave this like an 8 or
something like that. So yeah.
Hell yeah. I, I had a good time with this,

(56:40):
as I do with everything by this guy, but it, it was really I, I
don't know. Oh God.
OK, part of this is that I finished almost everything
except for Berserk, which I'm about to talk about before
December. So I'm, I'm pulling here.
We have to, we have to think. But I thought the, the dynamic

(57:05):
between the characters was interesting.
I liked the general way that they dealt with like the
conflicts that they were like going between and everything and
it and sometimes like you got tojust sing it out.
I like the singing. I've always stated anime needs

(57:26):
more spontaneous singing that's choreographed and though it is
pretty uniform throughout this, like there's a bit they do in
order to like forgive each otherand use the power of friendship
to poop out turtles or something.
I I had a good time with it. I I thought it was fun.

(57:46):
I liked like the sort of the zany aspects of it, which you
can also, you know, see the the Yuri Kuma stuff in this as well
with like, you know, like the talking animals that are evil.
And there's just a lot of similar themes that we see here

(58:08):
throughout his his works as we as we go through them.
But I I definitely a good time. I believe I gave this an 8 as
well. I'd actually just score it.
I'm given an 8 right now, but. I I liked it more than Yurikuma
urashi, which I did not like famously in our in our club.

(58:29):
And I think it was mainly because it was so chaotic that
it was more, I had more fun withit than I did Yurikuma.
And I I think I also just felt Icould connect to the characters
a little bit more. Soccer.
I mean, sure, I didn't even remember that.
Yeah, that's no it. Was more just soccer soccer.

(58:51):
Yep. But no, it's more just like the
three of them, they all the three leads, maybe it's just
they're guys so I could connect to their problems better.
I don't know. But I do remember in the moment
being like, Oh yeah, I can see where his perspective.
Except for Cuji, the one with the older brother, that one was
like, I think keep him in arms like no matter what.
I don't know, your devotion runsthat like, you know, but I

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really liked the lead. I really think the first
episode's cool too, because it'slike he Yaska or Kazuki, however
he goes by in the show, he's doing something for his younger
sibling, you know, and is, is trying to fulfill their dream
or, or, or make them happy, I guess, or, or distract them from
some of the other things going on in their lives.

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And and I really liked the way that he went about handling
that. I thought that that was really
clever and it was so batshit insane as well at the same time,
but in like a fun, a more fun way for me than Yuri Kumarashi
was. But sorry, was it Cat who's
going to go next? Or was it Pete?
Yeah, so I'm pulling Band-Aid. I didn't really like Sarah

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Zenbaya that much. Like I so.
And it feels weird to say this, but like, I don't, I don't know,
like it felt like there was way too much going on.
Like it felt like it was over stimulated the entire show.
And that that was like, and that's coming from somebody who

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like loves who loves like reallyover stimulating things.
Like this was just like, I thinkmy issue was that like, and I, I
kind of compare it to Nietzsche Joe in a way where like
Nietzsche Joe is like a lot of stuff kind of going on at the
same time. But where Nietzsche Joe, a lot

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of the stuff that's going on doesn't necessarily need to have
substance. This one feels like it does.
And I need to weed everything that's going on at the same
time. And like my brain is going, OK,
what does that mean? What does that mean?
What does that mean? And I just can't like it.
It makes me super overstimulatedand for, and that kind of
dilutes the, the meaning behind everything that's going on.

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And I am just somebody who like,I can't focus on one thing in a
show like this because it's trying to get me to is trying to
have so many things pulling my attention away.
So like, I, I, I think that that's probably the reason why I

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like this more than I liked, or I liked Yuri Kumarashi more than
I liked this. And it was just because it had a
little bit more, it let other things breathe, which was my
biggest issue with this show. The show does have a handy again
musical section where they tell you the theme of the episode

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which. Is.
Nice. Right, here's the thing.
I hated those. Why you so funny like?
I. Like you're wrong, but that
would crush any enjoyment of theshow.
Like I can, I can admit when I'mwrong.
Like I get that there's like like that is meant to be like

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kind of like a musical set. It meant to feel like a variety
show type of thing, kind of likea tongue in cheek thing.
But like, I hated that so much. Like it got to the point where I
just couldn't watch those parts of the show where I just had to
skip it because it would make medread the rest of the show.

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Like I just couldn't. Dang, so.
Yeah. Sorry.
No, it's fine. Yeah, I, I yeah, I didn't think
I, I've already gotten two hits.That was more than I expected to
get. So Pete did.
Do you have any thoughts as well?
I like this show. I didn't love it, I didn't hate
it. I think my biggest issues with

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this show and it just goes for all anime when like the side
characters are like so much cooler than the main cast.
It's like I really want the attention on like the side cast
AKA the police officers. They were so much cooler than
the main dudes. Didn't really like I don't know
like some of the characters. For as wacky and crazy and wild

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this show is, I didn't find likethe main cast fun.
They were when they were in liketheir copper form, But I, I
think the show was missing an element for me that was in
something like Yurikumarashi that I enjoyed more or I just
think I just like like the cast overall more of that show
because they are very similar insort of how they're laying out

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their shows and their dynamics and stuff like that.
But I did enjoy it. I gave it A7, but like it's one
of those things that's just like, I just preferred Yurukumi
Yurukuma. So I was always going to compare
it to that and it just had some things that I liked.
Yurikumi, I did it again, Yuri Yuri Kuma more than Tarazama,
but it was an enjoyable show. I did like what I watched.

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And how about the music in the show too?
Like. Yeah, that's fun.
It's. The OP and the Ed are like some
of my favorite songs ever. I think.
I don't know. I really especially the EDI mean
they got Peggies and Kanabun on both of those too.
That's that's a pretty it's pretty crazy.
It was really, really I loved them and the animation on the Ed

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is really cool too. It's like a mix of like 3D
rotoscoping and and 2D as well, like art.
It was really, really cool. I highly recommend you check it
out if you are listening and areinterested.
But yeah, all right, I guess it's ours on my thank you guys.
I'm glad you got most of you enjoyed it, at least enough to
read it somewhat well and remember to talk about it, you

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know, wink wink. No, I'm kidding.
It did. It took me.
A minute, but I did remember. You did remember.
That's all that matters. Yeah.
Yeah. All right, so you, Pete, you
went. Do we want to just go in a
circle? Yeah, we'll.
Talk about let's go, Miles. Yeah, let's do that.
So, Miles, what was one of the shows that you had to watch that
was not universal? OK, I I guess I'll at risk of,

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of Pete literally murdering me. Talk about Berserk.
Yeah, I've. Been I've been waiting because
we we've, we've had like bits and pieces of conversations, but
we've never had like a conversation.
Yeah, so I got to like a little bit after it, I guess.
Major Berserk spoilers for people who have not wherever,

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plan on whatever. So Koska has just come to.
So I I'm somewhere in the middleof Fantasia currently.
I know I said I'd be current. We're close.
We are almost there. Yeah, he's got one full arc and
then half of the next one. I told Miles it was cool to stop
at Lenny and Falcon because I feel like.

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Fantasia, not the the last arc. Fantasia goes into the next arc,
but like they they kind of like mesh, but they are technically
two different arcs but like they're essentially the same.
Yeah, OK, Berserk is like, it's very interesting to me for a few
reasons. One, as known, not a big fight

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guy and a lot of Berserk is people fighting.
So that that kind of got dull for me in some point.
I'm going to start with the negatives, right.
So in in the in Millennium Falcon, they're fighting the the
Kushites or whatever their name is, the Kushians.
And there is, I mean, when I saylike probably 2 volumes, like 20

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chapters that are just, it's just one fight and like it's a
cool fight. But in my my opinion, and this
is wrong, but in my opinion, no fight should ever last more than
4 pages. It's like one page is rock, the
next page is paper, the third page is scissors, the 4th and.

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Then you see what everyone picks, which is is good.
Yeah. I don't know what this is a take
is. For me, the peak of Berserk is
Golden Age. That is where I had the most fun
with it. That is the biggest enjoyment I
had with all of that. Everything post Eclipse is is

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good, but I just don't think it ever quite gets to that peak
again, which is a little unfortunate because there's some
really cool stuff there. I think as much as I like
everything, it's a little drawn out.
And I don't know if this is likea yeah, I don't know what the
community thinks. Right?
Like, I wish Koska didn't take so long to come around.

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I wish she had been able to do that a little bit more on
herself as opposed to, like, magic helping her.
Now, of course, to give this credit, like, there's still
stuff there, right? She's going to work through this
and she she'll have to and everything.
You know, there are some characters I really, really

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like. Yeah.
Who's your favorite character? OK so my ready for an opinion
USA. Serpico.
Aren't you? I actually really do like
Serpico, but Serpico is not my my favorite character.
It's Oh my God, what is her name?
It's Griffith. It's not Griffith people.
No, I hate farnice. Sharif.

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I I really like Sharik but no it's she's on Griffith's side.
She's a medium. Oh, the girl.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The girl who plays.
She's not. She's not an apostle, but she
hangs with the apostles. Yeah, she's just like, yeah,
she's like Sonia, Sonia, Sonia. And I really like Sonia because

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she, she is crazy. And I, I'm like a big, like,
honestly, I think she might fight Griffith at some point.
Like it, it seems crazy 'cause she's like so enamored with him.
But like every time Charlotte ison screen, right, you just see

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Sonia just go a little closer tosnapping.
And you know, Griffith of course, wants to marry Charlotte
because of the whole royal lineage thing.
Anyways, unfortunately, I can't talk about this for too long, so
I'm just going to say the thingsthat I like about it.
The world is pretty cool. At first I thought this might be

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a weak point of it, but as it goes on, you learn more about
the magic system. You more learn more about like
the further away continents in the political situation that's
going on. And they do a good job of
exploring that. I thought that's really neat.
The cast of characters and especially the extended cast of
characters is great. Serpico really fucking cool.
I understand why people might like fart furnace.

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I don't, however. That's not really a hot take it
She's probably of the main cast.She's probably the least
favorite. OK good cuz honestly once they
showed the flashback of her as achild murdering kittens or
whatever I was like not forgiving her and I haven't.
How do you say the witch's name?Because I've never had to say it

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and it's. Sure.
I think it's probably Shirike, but shirike, Yeah, the E is
pronounced and. OK, I really like Shirike.
I think she is cool. I like that they were toying
with having her be like romantically in love with Guts.
And then they cooled it and thenthey were like, you know what
she's happy with? Like the bond they do have.

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Because there was like 4 or fivechapters there where I was going
to type, oh, Berserk is a harem.But we, we did escape.
It was really close, but we got there.
Roderick, I think, is an absolute Chad.
Yeah, he's a Chad. He is for sure a fucking Chad.
His name's Roderick. Yeah, and yeah, I so I think
he's really cool. I really like the Midland like

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political intrigue, which unfortunately we don't get like
a ton of, but we do get it sometimes.
Like Fornice's mom I think is very interesting, though.
We've seen her sparingly. The stuff with like the ritual
and everything is interesting. And I like how there's a lot of
things where you're not sure if it's real or not.

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Like the dark beast that takes over Guts, is that real?
Is that just that Guts is haunted and it's like a symbolic
thing that he imagines, you know, Like, what is that?
Will we find out? Who knows?
Because now that I'm more or less caught up and will be
caught up soon, by the time I'm 80, maybe this will be done.

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An unfortunate thing about, you know, I started and I had almost
400 chapters and now I don't have that many.
And I don't think they come out very often, do they?
Three, the four year right now is the.
Oh, dear God. OK, so I'll be waiting with the
rest of you. I really liked this.
I'm definitely not as enamored with it as Pete is.

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To me, this is gonna be like an 8 or 9 depending on different
things that happen. And that's just because a lot of
the stuff isn't isn't for me, asin like the fights and stuff.
But there's a lot of really coolstuff there.
I can't get into everything because there's a lot.
I don't even talk about Guts andthe Koska dynamic and the Guts
Griffith dynamic. Can you answer me just one

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question though? Yes.
Is Berserk a romance? So here's here.
OK, here's my actual hot take. Tower of Conviction.
Is that what it was called? Oh, the the conviction arc.
Yeah, yeah, right after Golden Age.
Yeah, there. So there's a scene where where
guts it does some stuff to A to Koska and I I don't want them to

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get together. I don't want it to happen.
I don't want it to happen because I want them to be OK by
themselves. And and I just feel like if you
force yourself on someone and bite their breasts to the point
that it bleeds, you shouldn't date them.
That's my take. So is it a romance?

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He. Sounds like an NFL player.
Guts would be 1 fuck of a linebacker.
Yeah, he's one. Guts is a.
Cannon arm allowed. In the NFL, I think Canon.
I think Canon. He's 68280.
Yep, OK he would did Brian Urlacher.

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Is it a romance? I I will need to read further
before I can fully answer this because Koska has not been a
person for the last 300 chaptersI've read.
That's true. So she's just coming to.
So hopefully they, they work their stuff out because there's
a lot of things going on there. And honestly, I hope Koska gets

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to call Griffith because as I think about it, as awful as
Griffith was to Guts, he was worse to Koska, it turns out.
So maybe they get to do it together.
I, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see
because like I'm really rooting for Guts to take his revenge,
but also a large theme of this seems to be revenge is bad.

(01:14:35):
Is bad, yeah. Yeah, So, like, how do you marry
those two things? I don't know.
Killing Griffith would be a goodthing.
So, like, maybe it won't be for revenge.
Maybe it'll just be for, like, doing the right thing.
But we'll we'll see. All right.
You. Read or watch.
Yeah, OK. So really I'll go through the
things that Jolene gave me really quick because Jolene knew

(01:14:59):
how to strike a bargain and where Kat wanted me to watch 6
episodes of high speed Atalay, Jolene gave me 3 different shows
that were bad. I watched the Rick and Morty
anime. Honestly kind of enjoyed it.
If you like the show Rick and Morty, you'll like the Rick and
Morty anime. Checks out.
Then there was a show called Ayaka.

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This somehow wasn't the worst thing that I watched because of
the next show, but it wasn't. I think Julian described it to
me as like if if the Sonic the Hedgehog characters were like in
an an there's a, there's an island.

(01:15:44):
I don't know what happens. No one knows what happens.
It doesn't make a lot of sense. At the end the characters
comment how the decisions peopleare making don't make a lot of
sense. And hell if I didn't agree this
show wasn't good. Then I watched delusional
monthly magazine. This this show wasn't good.
This show was about a twink and a furry and they I think they

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technically were supposed to runa magazine together and there
was a third guy and I don't remember what he did, but they
they don't do that. Instead what they do is like
learn how to unlock their personas and use that power to
fight people who also have personas.
Also, there's a magazine that again, the show was named after

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and really doesn't play into it.And there's a leprechaun.
I watched high speed Atole. The show was better than I
thought. The show was very bad.
It was better than. It was better than Delusional
Monthly Magazine. The premise of of High Speed

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Atole is that if you're good at Mario Kart, you'll be good at
NASCAR. This premise is is proven wrong
demonstrably by the show itself as our main character, at least
through three, six episodes, sucks at driving.
But as she was getting lapped bythe high speed out to lay Jeff

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Gordon, she passed him illegallyand was disqualified.
And everyone was very impressed that she passed him even though
he wasn't expecting to be passedbecause that was illegal and she
was multiple laps behind. She used to do ballet and that
made people think she would be good at race car driving.
It didn't make her good at that.I watched the Violet Evergarden

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movie. This was a continuation of the
Violet Evergarden show and therewere good parts of it and parts
of it I didn't like. I also had to sit down and have
a conversation about Pat to Pat with it.
As part of the. Deal about Pat with Violet and I

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you know if you like Violet Evergarden, you will like the
movie. It's true and you're.
Just you're just doing the bit for the third time already so
far I. Like it?
Yeah. And look, no one likes
Delusional Monthly magazine, Pat.
It's there's not a group of people I would put that on.

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And like, I don't even think thefurries would like it.
Surely there is better furry media out there.
Uma Moose maybe? Yeah, it.
Probably and the Violet ever garden movie, very gorgeous,
very pretty. I think it does a pretty good
job with Violet and the the whatever his fucking role was.

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Major. Thank you.
I kept wanting to say Sergeant and I was like, that's not
right. That's in the in the major.
There's some stuff that I don't like about that, but you can
that doesn't matter if if you like what happened in the
original 1, you'll you'll like this.
The only the only thing about the movie that I wasn't
expecting to dislike that I didn't like and like I thought

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was a little silly was there is this mini arc where the these
letter writers are dealing with the fact that telephones have
been invented and therefore letters will be less important.
And there's this other auto memory doll who is sort of not
feeling herself. She doesn't feel like she's
great at it. And there's an opportunity for

(01:19:31):
her to do it. But what she does is then accept
the fact that the telephone has been invented and call Violet to
write the letter. And I was like, Oh well, OK,
using the. Telephone to do what to Violet?
She calls Violet so she can write the letter over the phone.
And it was like, it was just notthe way I was expecting that arc

(01:19:53):
to. I thought she would learn to
believe in herself or something,and she sure didn't.
And honestly, that's kind of funny.
But it's a good show. It's a it's a good movie.
I gave it a two or something, but that's because.
It's never. It it's not a 2.
It's like an 8-9 maybe. Probably.

(01:20:16):
I would say the average person is probably giving this an 8 or
a nine yes, probably like at a nine is what I would say like
your average viewer would do it did Kayla really liked it so
they. Didn't kiss.
I it doesn't matter. That's the implication.
And so I think that's everythingI did.

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Did I miss anything that I did? I think you got it all according
to your spreadsheet. Great.
OK, good. That's me.
All right, Pat, you're up. Oh, I'm up next.
All right, let's do it. Let's run through some stuff.
So I about an hour and a half ago alluded to the fact that I
dropped the Rah Rah instead of continuing it after three

(01:21:00):
episodes, and I had to watch Redline instead.
The movie from Studio Madhouse. If you like the art style, then
good for you. Was not for me.
Was not for me at all. I thought it was pretty.
It like assaulted all of my senses, even though the only
ones that it could were two of them, you know, like like I I

(01:21:23):
felt uncomfortable in that world.
And I guess it's supposed to be all grungy, a little cyberpunky
or like neo capital or post capital, whatever the right word
is for that. Like cyberpunk worldly didn't
care for the setting it it triesto make it a romance to kinda

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and I'm like OK tits on the screen just randomly out of
nowhere to in that like the mainfemale lead for no reason
whatsoever. Just, you know, she.
Was chesting out. Yeah, there you go.
Tits out for Harambe, baby. There we go.

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Yeah, I don't know. I don't care about racing very
much either. I I, I can't.
So maybe that's why I had this movie.
Didn't connect for me, but I wasnot feeling it whatsoever the
leads kind of funny and has a few lines and I like that the
female leads name last name is McLaren that's very clever, but
then no one else is named after famous classic cars.

(01:22:29):
Weird lot of fanservice and a lot of chaos not not a somehow
an hour and 45 minute movie By the way, I don't know how it was
I did not care for it at all I think I gave it a five yeah, I
give it a 5. So I'm, I'm glad I watched that
rather than watching the rest ofDeraro from what I saw at least.

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But at the same time, I probablywould have enjoyed the story of
Deraro more because it would have been coherent and easy to
follow or, or, or nuanced in anyway.
This was just, I want to drive fast, so I'm going to drive
faster and I want to win the race, so I'm going to win the
race. There was no.
Like that cake song? It's literally that cake song.

(01:23:11):
I am not familiar which song is it.
The distance. The distance.
Oh, he's going the distance. I saw them live in concert like
a month ago. That's crazy.
It is that it is that song, which is probably why I.
You know, I, I had someone who, who like legitimately thought
that the song was about someone bringing a horse to like a car

(01:23:33):
race because it says like ridingon his horse in it as opposed to
like just staying on it. They were like, the song is so
stupid because why would why would he expect to win if he's
riding a horse in a in a car race?
And I was just like. They have a point.
Fair enough. The, the lead singer made some

(01:23:53):
of the weirdest political comments I've ever heard, like
on a stage, and not in like a bad way.
It was just like, you know, the entire day, everyone's come out
and been like, hell yeah, you know, human rights, trans
rights, everything, you know, because it was a music festival.
And then he just comes out and it's like, you know, there's a
lot of weird political people in, you know, there's a lot of

(01:24:17):
this. Like, it wasn't a right wing
grift in any way, but it also very clearly wasn't a left wing,
like a lesion. It was the weirdest thing ever.
The singer of this song. It's a white pile thrift.
Yeah, I guess so it was. It was just a very weird vibe
shift. And then they played the song
and everything better. Yeah.

(01:24:38):
No, exactly. Like, why would he do that?
It was very bizarre. But yeah.
So that's that's my analysis of Red Line is that Cake is a weird
band and they weren't nearly as good as they weren't nearly as
good as Jackie Antonoff, I thinkhis name was.
Bleachers performed that night and were better.
Who else? Whatever they were, they were

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fun Festival, though. All right.
That's Red Line Jolene, who gaveit to me, I believe.
Yeah, because of the Dora. It was the Dora.
I must have been smoking crack or something because why would I
ever do? That I also was we'll.
Have to go back. It was a long episode.
We were all trying to get deals done, but we all, if we ever do

(01:25:21):
this again, God forbid, we will structure it differently.
Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, no, I think so.
So on to something that is slightly better than Red Line.
Don't worry guys, we have Neon Jesus Evangelion, The End of
Evangelion. So.
Oh yeah, have you not seen it yet?
Nope. Oh wow, OK fair enough.

(01:25:45):
I I am one of the only. I thought I was one of the only
ones that hadn't seen it yet. How was that for you?
I need to talk to some more people about it because that and
that's maybe we can do that hereor since we're running short on
time, we can do it another time.I'm fine with that too because I
I don't think we're going to come out with any new
breathtaking analysis of Neon Genesis.

(01:26:05):
Even Galleon, having not watchedit since the original, when I
first watched the original like 3 years ago at this point, it
was a little jarring, but I did do some reading beforehand to
like remind myself of what had happened in the previous
episodes. I don't know, it was weird.

(01:26:26):
It was thought provoking and dark and grim, but I didn't
really think it was, I don't know, I, I didn't really, I, I,
maybe I just didn't get it. And it's like, I, I hate movies
that I watch. And it's like there's no clarity
on what's going on or you're notmeant to be able to understand

(01:26:48):
it on your first watch through at least.
And and that's not to say that there shouldn't be little Easter
eggs or little things that you can't get every time or, or the
first time you watch it. But like this movie felt like it
was just like, well, ha, ha, go read the what my interviews or
go read my this or go watch it back again and click frame by
frame to see that. Like I, I was very frustrated

(01:27:10):
watching this by what message itwas trying to go for and I would
be very curious to and I maybe that's on purpose, but if it is
that. Yeah.
Do you want me to tell you what my first thought was?
Because my my friend Sarah had me watch this and she was like,
what did you think? And I was like, I think I hated
this. I I didn't.
Like it very much at all. Was that because, So what I

(01:27:31):
eventually came to was I didn't like it because it made me feel
very gross. It's like, as you've mentioned,
it's, it's not particularly clear what's going.
It's just a lot of emotion and like angst and depression and
sadness and hatred thrown at thescreen, right.
And so to me, I sort of thought like, one, you're not really

(01:27:54):
supposed to get this. You're supposed to feel this,
right? Like you're supposed to feel
certain ways when things happen.And then two, like it is
supposed to, it's like, you know, Guernica or whatever, like
it's supposed to. And you're not supposed to feel
good. It's not supposed to be

(01:28:16):
something where you're like, oh boy, I, I'm glad I did this, you
know. So I ultimately took it as it
is, the film being very good, because it elicited what I
assumed was the correct feeling in me, which was feeling gross
and not happy about being human and confused.
And like, this dude was in a very dark fucking place when he

(01:28:38):
wrote this. So my counter points to that
would be I, I got that feeling, but it didn't make me feel that
way myself personally. Like I, I got I, maybe it's
because I can't, I can't relate to Shinji at all and I still
can't. I, I, we've talked about this at
nauseam at this point, I, I don't want to rehash that whole

(01:28:59):
argument from our pandemic days,but I, I find him to be one of
the most frustrating characters that I've ever watched or seen
in a medium and he does not change in this movie.
Spoiler alert. It's the same thing as the IT
It's so it takes place concurrently with like the last
two to three episodes of Evangelion.

(01:29:20):
So it's a rewrite of those. It's not a sequel, it's a
rewrite of those. So like while the
congratulations stuff is happening, like this is what is
physically happening on the planet basically.
OK, Yeah. So he doesn't change because
it's the same thing you want to see one where you know, not that

(01:29:42):
you're not going to ever make you consume more Evangelion, but
the Rebuilds are are literally. So, so here's here's what I was
going to follow this up with. With all this negativity about,
I am now more interested in the Rebuilds because I'm curious to
see, for one, what I would thinkof them.
And two, I'm not going to make Ashley sit through the entire

(01:30:03):
Evangelion and then this, but I could make her sit through 4
movies pretty easily. I think, you know, over time.
So I think that. And so seeing what she thinks
from a completely UN, maybe slightly biased in the sense
I've described the show to her before.
Yeah, I'm talking about you. She's sitting over there, her
unbiased perspective and then mybiased perspective.

(01:30:25):
I'm very curious to see what we would think about those, about
the rebuilds, because I've heardnothing but good things about
them. So again, I'm glad I did watch
this. I had it at A7.
I'm I could probably be talked up to an 8 just because like you
said, it does seem to do what it's trying to do, but I don't
like what it's trying to do and I don't agree with it and I
think it's dumb. So there we go.

(01:30:46):
Boom. Roast.
I think I gave it an 8 for like the same reason.
I think I was just like, this made me feel really gross and I
don't like it, but like it did avery good job so.
Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, like.
I don't know if he loves this though, so let's let Pete.
Talk about it bro, because I don't.
Know if I felt. No, OK, we're just going.

(01:31:07):
We can talk about it later. All right, let's continue what
is next. Next up is Josie the tiger and
the fish. I watched this with Ashley and I
thought it was a very cute movie, very fun movie.
It's funny that I got this givento me because within the last
couple months it had popped up on like a on Twitter and there

(01:31:30):
was a lot of discussion around it.
Like someone tweeted like this is all a man wants.
And it was like the highlight reel of them going on little
cutesy dates or like little activities together.
And that turned into a whole ableist discussion and a lot of
just like, oh, men want like a pet, men want this, blah, blah,
blah. Like a whole lot of discourse,
like going both ways with just shit getting thrown.

(01:31:53):
And so I had no idea what to expect going into this.
So I went in kind of worried that it was going to be an
ablest movie. And I don't think it was in the
slightest. I think that this movie does an
incredible job of showing their relationship and how it
blossoms. I don't know if I would say I

(01:32:14):
loved the movie itself, but I really did enjoy the 2
characters. I thought they were pretty well
fleshed out, well on the nose for him to end up in a
wheelchair himself. I thought like the the IT I
don't know. It wasn't my it wasn't the way I

(01:32:34):
would have told the story or related their them to each other
in the end, but I I did end up liking it enough.
I think I gave I gave it a 7 outof 10 solid watch.
They are cute. I love to the side characters.
That was the the big take away from this.
His bro is sick. You know the the 2GO Co workers,

(01:32:54):
the guy Co workers hilarious. And the female Co worker is a
total bitch at one point. But like it's intentional, like
she's doing it on purpose to help both both of them.
And I really appreciated that. I thought that they were handled
really, really well, almost better than the main characters
too. It almost felt Yamada like to me

(01:33:15):
where I'm like, I don't care about the main guy at all.
I care about the other characters involved.
So so yeah, that's Josie the tiger and the fish.
And then my last one, my favorite one that I had to watch
gushing over magical girls. I had a three episodes of that
that I had to watch. This show is everything I hate
about anime and I cannot stress enough how awful it is.

(01:33:42):
I am so thankful I have not had to watch the rest of this
because I think if it got any worse I, I don't know.
I don't know what I'd do. There's a lot of things I
probably shouldn't say on air that I would do.
It's just despicable. It's disgusting.
It's basically hentai, but it's not too because it's very

(01:34:04):
intentionally not like this is the ultimate Booner show is what
it really is, right. Like it and and it tries to
pretend that it's being what's where I'm looking for like not
parody, but you know, yeah, a little bit a deconstruction.

(01:34:25):
I think it's trying to deconstruct the magical girl
trope, but it's it doesn't at all.
It's still or or to ever be like, oh, this is how look at
how other shows will make you look at them there and transform
and look at look at them in fights and everything, and then
it just does it anyways though, too, and it's not it.

(01:34:45):
It's just a fetish. The show's AII did not like the
show at all. I can talk about it another time
be. Anything but a fetish to be.
Yeah, well, I don't know was it or not though.
Then why do people like it otherthan?
Because it makes them horny. I think, I think people try to
like do it. It's like, it's like kill a kill
for Yuri, but like, I don't, yeah.
Not even close. OK, I'm glad you're on my side

(01:35:08):
'cause I was worried. That I I haven't even seen a
second of the show. I talked to that, OK.
I've seen. Zero, but like and also by the
way, seeing who likes it on Twitter, not wink wink nudge
nudge kind of his name rhymes with.
Ebi. EBI News, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that guy, he gushes over this show all the time.

(01:35:30):
Good one. Thanks.
Yeah, I I have no interest in thinking that this is good and I
hope you're taking the piss if you ever talk about it
positively other than being ableto say I guess like if you like
fetish content and you like hentai, then great.
This is this is for you. Do not watch the show.
I can't believe it's getting a second season.
Oh my God, it is awful. It's awful.

(01:35:51):
It is not like kill a kill in any way, I don't think.
But yeah, that's those are the ones that I had.
Cat, you had a few left yourself.
What did you have? I did.
So I guess we'll start with something to heal your soul,
Pat. So my so the show that I had to

(01:36:16):
watch most that I just finished today was Roni Kunjin, right?
You'll be happy to know that I really did enjoy it.
I really, it scratched an itch that I didn't really, I didn't
realize that I was having again because like some of my first

(01:36:38):
day, like one Piece, Naruto, Bleach, like all those stuff
like it's, it's very similar to a battle shown and, and I just,
I just really was able to get into it.
The 2023 version did have some really good choreography and it
helped me and I actually startedgoing back like a couple of days

(01:37:02):
ago when I was when I first started watching it.
I was actually going back through the 1st like big fight
during like episode 7. I started going back and
actually looking at each like ateach cut and just kind of like
trying to figure out how to likedescribe it just to kind of like
give myself a little bit more leverage about the but anyway,
yeah, I really, really loved it.I love the the art style.

(01:37:25):
I love the I I really liked how I I really got into the end of
it, but I think I rated it a nine out of 10, so there.
You go, it's a really good show.I think the modern art versus
the classic there's you could goeither direction.

(01:37:45):
And I think that what's cool about the the newer version is
it's a little more polished, which some people may like,
others don't, but also it kind of lets him retcon or let's the
the people working on the show retcon just slight changes into
the story that have all been pretty beneficial so far.
And you don't notice them in thein the in the first season, like

(01:38:08):
what you watched. But there is one specific
episode, the episode with the where they were where he's where
catching is off on his own. And there's the the medicine
person that's not in the original show or the manga at
all. It's a completely new thing that
was added to give a little bit more layer to his character, and
I thought that was really cool. Second season does even more of

(01:38:30):
that, so I think you'll enjoy itif you ever get to it.
But I'm glad you watched it and glad you enjoyed it.
I'm glad you gave it to me. All right, Pluto.
So, OK, so I watched Pluto. I watched Pluto closer to the
beginning of like after we got this I so I have a huge fear of

(01:38:57):
AI like the whole AI like doing like becoming actually like a
semblance of sentience and like coming to the conclusion that
humans are the worst plague to humanity because they are
because computers are in essencebinary and they would view
humans as an overall evil ratherthan a good.

(01:39:19):
So this I only had the 1st 2 episodes but this show
definitely gave me a healthy fear again and I I I loved how
beautiful the show was though. Like looking at the background
art and the like, having the music paired along with it, it

(01:39:42):
just felt really, really nice. That paired with the, with the
fact that AI can kill people in this world is not fun.
Like that's just really scary tome.
But I, I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed the first two
episodes of Pluto. I don't know if I'm going to

(01:40:04):
actually go back and actually finish it.
You should. You really should.
It's being really well re rated by almost everybody that watches
it. And somebody on this podcast
gave it their anime of the year.You should I.
I might give it a shot. Thanks, man.
Yeah, OK. That's like this thing is about

(01:40:29):
my one primordial fear and Pete's like, too bad is pretty
fucking good. You watch.
It now now we're. Well, there's like, there's
that, like address the fear in away that I think he'll really
like. Yeah, here's the thing.
To be fair with that idea, with more and more humans kind of
classifying billionaires as a different species, as subhuman,

(01:40:51):
I think that if AI starts killing people, it's probably
going to kill the billionaires first, which I'm cool with, you
know, fuck them anyway. So anyway, birdie wing.
Birdie wing, the opposite of golf.
It's actually fun. Like I got him.

(01:41:15):
No. Got his ass.
Bernie cannot be. True, so much fun.
Like, Oh my God, this, this showwas so I, I loved like sitting
down with my wife and just going, hey, really, I'm going to
watch the girls golf show. And she's like, OK.
And then she just sits there andshe's like, I don't know what

(01:41:36):
the fuck fuck is going on. And I'm like, I don't fucking
know why there is. So I just fucking this show was
very, very fun for me. And yeah, oh, vampire 100 B
vampire to. Go get my birdie wing golf ball

(01:41:57):
that I had. Oh nice help making.
Yeah, it's my lucky ball. I keep it in my back pocket and
haven't lost it yet somehow whenI'm playing.
OK so my notes that I wrote for Vampire Hunter D are like 6
months ago. Mostly are hey, I really like

(01:42:21):
this show. I really like this movie and it
was a lot of action and shit like that.
And then it was just like connections between vampire
hunter D and one piece and why the DS and one piece have DS in
their name and why they're so powerful.

(01:42:43):
I I gave the I gave the movie a nine out of 10.
I really enjoyed it or QJ but I I don't remember much about it
because all I could, all the notes that I wrote down were
connections of the DS in one piece because I got on a on a

(01:43:06):
hyper focus rampage. But but yes, I really did.
I really did enjoy the movie. Jolene, why don't you wrap
things up for us? Sure, I'll make it quick.
So the main thing that I enjoyedthat I watched was I finished
out Mobile SU Gundam. Man, that show goes places.

(01:43:28):
It's really interesting for a fucking Saturday morning cartoon
that's meant to sell toys. Like they were definitely really
trying to get really like deep and spiritual with it in a lot
of ways, especially towards the end when like Lala soon gets
introduced. I think that it's just really
well done for 1979. Holy shit.
The music's awesome. The animation is definitely like

(01:43:52):
age, but they're still really trying to do a lot of
interesting stuff with what they've got.
I started listening to a podcastas a companion for this called
Mobile Suit Breakdown, where they go into each episode and
talk about it in depth, as well as like the designs of the
mobile suits and what they're based on.
Hint. A lot of stuff based on Japanese
pro wrestling by the way, because the animators were just

(01:44:14):
the right age to be children when pro wrestling got to Japan.
I enjoyed it quite a bit. Char is still awesome.
At one point somebody says where's Char and I was just
agreeing with that because everytime Char wasn't on screen I'm
like what the fuck is Char doing?
There's an episode called Char Returns where that's literally
the only thing he does is returnat the end of the episode for

(01:44:35):
like 30 seconds. And it's also funny that they
have the most spoilery previews of the episodes at the end of
every episode because at one point they'll literally tell you
that a character dies in the next episode at the end of the
previous episode and then it goes who will survive?
Not them obviously. I also watched 6 episodes of

(01:44:59):
Trigun 98. It was all right.
I like the new stuff better personally.
Like Stampede just seems a little bit better for me I
guess. It definitely shows its age
quite a bit. Pluto really fucking good.
Pluto was a slapper. The only thing about Pluto is,
is I literally do have to take some points off because there is
very obvious AI generation used in the backgrounds in several

(01:45:23):
episodes. If you like kind of like watch
it and you're watching the backgrounds, the cityscapes are
all basically AI generated, which is fucked, really.
Yeah, Yeah. That's.
So weird. Yeah, yeah, it was.
The director of Pluto has some very interesting opinions about
the usage of AI and art is what I will say.

(01:45:45):
Which is very funny since he fucking directed.
Pluto. Yeah, right.
I think that the characters in Pluto are really fucking
interesting. It's similar to Doro where we
obviously because it's based on a story by the same author,
where there's a lot of like history of anime and manga
that's involved with it because it's like based off of an old

(01:46:05):
Astro Boy story but from a different perspective.
Seeing how they translated the designs of the characters in
that old like, you know, really old school cartoon style to the
modern day was really interesting.
Although I think a lot of them were kind of downgrades, I'm not
going to lie. And I I enjoyed it quite a bit

(01:46:25):
despite like, you know, the kindof clearing flaw with the AI
stuff. And then I also watched 2
episodes of Princess of Snow andBlood because that's all you're
getting out of me. That show, Pat.
This show I, if I had to I, you know, I love food and I often
compare like art that I eat to meals and stuff like that.

(01:46:47):
This was like just eating fondant like I wanted there to
be some cake underneath, but no,it was just like plastic that
was kind of like spray painted bright neon colors.
I'm not going to watch anymore, I'm sorry.
I mean, the time period is really interesting.
I love that. Sort of like golden Kamui Demon
Slayer time period but. The Meiji era, yeah.

(01:47:09):
Yeah, yeah, like I would just watch Golden Kamui or Demon
Slayer instead, honestly, I don't know.
Especially like, I feel like it's pretty close to like Demon
Slayer in a lot of ways in termsof like the fights and like the
whole like demonic aspect of it.Yeah, what I liked was the brush
stroke stuff and the just the art.

(01:47:31):
But then yeah, like I like you said though, there's the
character exactly. Like there's a lot of cool stuff
going on, but there's just no, like you said, there's no layers
at all with it, which is why I thought a couple episodes would
be at least fun to see. So I'm glad you enjoyed, didn't
enjoy them enough to want to continue maybe.
I also had to watch a bit. I had to watch all of you boy

(01:47:52):
cock Ming. I regret to say that I did not
finish that, but I am in the process of watching it.
I didn't realize how much grass I was going to be touching this
summer. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
It's just a fun premise. The OP is an Omega banger for
sure. And I think it's just yeah, it's
a good time. It's a it's going to be one of

(01:48:14):
those like, oh, it's a rainy day, I can't go outside.
Let's turn your boy Kong Ming onand get in a good mood.
It's just a fun time. That's it for me.
Hell yeah. Well, that I think we got
everything from everybody that we all consume.
So we did it, guys. We go.
Did you not have any that weren't consumed by the group?

(01:48:36):
He did them before. Yeah, remember I fucked up,
which is why you. I thought you only did one of
them before, sorry. I only had two others.
No, he. Did Oh, you only had two other?
OK, never mind. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I had. I had to.
Make sure. Yeah, I had a lighter palette
that I would say than most people because I didn't think I
would be able to watch everything and I did.
So it worked out. But OK, we are hot, we're

(01:48:56):
sweaty, we're tired. Let's let's wrap this up.
If you've made this far and you want to support us, the best way
to do so like comment, subscribe, leave a review on
whatever platform you are watching or listening to us on.
Next week for watch club we're doing K pop demon hunters, which
I just saw that their their hit song is the number one song on
billboard. It overtook Morgan Wallin.
So that's kind of fucking crazy.I can't wait to like consume it

(01:49:17):
and see what the hype is all about because I've always seen
funny GIFs. Other than that in two weeks for
outside of watch club, we are doing our anime gremlin episode.
So we're going to be breaking down the gremlins and getting a
some definitions made because I think it's a little scary out
there and there's not like real definition.
So me and Miles are going to create definitions for the

(01:49:38):
entire anime sphere to use. And what we say is bonds though
that should be a fun episode. So I want to say thanks to
everybody out there who's listening and we will see you
next time. Bye bye.
Bye, bye, bye. Bye.

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