Kamisama Kiss Discussion & Review | Anime Watch Club

Welcome to Watch Club, a bi-weekly group discussion and review where the hosts of the what do you say anime podcast, nominate and vote on shows either that we haven't seen or shows that will hopefully lead to a great discussion. On todays episode we will reviewing the first season of Kamisama Kiss.

Spoiler warning ahead for Fruits Basket as well

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0:00 Intro2:12 First Impressions10:07 Synopsis11:44 Beginnings and Building Plot20:50 Supporting Cast27:36 Handling the Romance37:02 Theming, Messaging and Characterization 50:30 Misc. Things We Liked56:47 Final Thoughts and Rating1:05:46 What We're Watching Next

Episode Transcript

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Home me now I'm finally fulfilled.
This is what my heart's been waiting for.
Home me, now I'm finally fulfilled.
Pick me up to dance and pick me up.
And gentlemen, welcome to Anime watch club, a bi weekly group
discussion and review. We're the host of the way you
see anime podcast. Nominate involved shows either

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we haven't seen our shows are hopefully to a great discussion
on today's episode, the familiars of the way you see
anime podcast. We'll be reviewing the first
season of the 2012 anime comedy Sama kiss.
Let's meet today's shrine goers.First up, claims this to be a
God tier romance. Literally, we got Jolene.
Jolene, how's it going? That gave me flashbacks from

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like five years ago. Don't do that.
Also, I got a cat. Hey, welcome to the gang.
What's the cat's name? General Jameson, Jimothy Junior.
All right, Triple J up in this bitch.
Normally this is where I introduce Miles with sadly he's
out six, so shout out to Miles. Hope he feels better.

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What is? I mean, we still got pat, so
toss it over the pat. You do still have me.
You're stuck with me. I'm not going anywhere sadly, or
I don't know. I'm not going to be so mean to
myself. I'm going to be nice to myself
right here. Yeah.
Welcome back. Welcome to back to watch club,
everybody. And yes, we do miss Miles
dearly. I have some talking points and a

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show to nominate for him though,so we'll we'll get there
eventually. But yeah, as as Pete said, we're
talking about Kami Sama Kiss, the Fall 2012 anime from Studio
TMS Entertainment source from a manga, genres of comedy,
romance, supernatural and themesof mythology.
And it is a show, Joe. So yeah, let's get right into

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it. Normally we start with Miles,
but instead we're going to startwith Cat.
Cat. What are your first impressions
and would you recommend the showor not?
So my first, my first impressions of comments I'm a
kiss were I watched it with my wife because we were planning a
book and then I was like, OK, ifI like this, I'll nominate it

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for watch club. I got through like 3 episodes
with watching with her the firsttime and then I ended up liking
it. So like I promised her, I
nominated for watch club and I continued to like it.
So yeah, I I would definitely recommend it.

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What I recommended as yeah, I'd probably recommend it as
somebody's first show Joe. Also I've never seen Fruits
Basket so the comparisons I willnot get.
Fair enough. Yeah.
You're, you're going to be in for one for this episode, it
sounds like then. But hey, we'll, we'll we'll work
through it together. We'll we'll get there.

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All right. Next up, Pete, what about you?
Yeah, so Kabhi Sama Kiss has been on my to watch list
forever. It is a show where I've seen it
in bits and pieces. I've seen like YouTube clips,
stuff like that, but I've never consumed it.
And I don't know why because this is the type of show that's
like literally for me. Like I love this type of stuff.

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But Kabhi Sama Kiss is a little different than what I thought it
was going to be and is actually going to be our first talking
point. So I will I'll go put this with
a grain of salt. If you're like the average 34
year old man like I am, probablynot the show for you.
If you do like the shows that I enjoy, I think you will enjoy

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Kami Sama kiss to an extent. But first impressions a little
disappointed at what we got in the beginning.
I do think later on it picked up, but I would still I would
say recommend it for the most part.
I don't think this is inherentlybad, but I think sort of my
thought of what the show was going to be about and versus

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what I got were two different things.
So maybe it's just like a like my mindset of coming into this
type of show. So it could be a good or bad
thing, but for me it was bad. But I would still recommend it.
That makes sense. I, I think I, I feel pretty
similarly to where I didn't, I expected it to be something a
little different as well. We can talk about that later.
Next up, Jolene, what about you?I knew a little bit about this

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show because we have a a discordmember who doesn't come around
quite as often who who liked this quite a bit.
Shout out Mako. I remember Mako always talking
about this and specifically how much she wanted to fuck the shit
out of Tom away. Like, I mean, Mako, if you're

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listening to this right now, particularly if if you're with
your husband, I just want him and you to both remember like
you were really talking about jumping this guy's bones.
Like I'm talking about some realdeath by snusunu pounding ass
sweaty ball slapping shit. Anyway.
I mean, we made it for far enough to get past the YouTube

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algorithm. Yeah, so this isn't a kids
podcast. You're fine.
What? Was I talking about again?
A banging tomboy. Oh, yeah.
If I would recommend this sort of thing, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
I would recommend this if only because like I think that we
don't have a ton of silly shojo anymore.

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It feels like like it that was Ithink it feels like we're kind
of out of that era as far as like silly shojo being super
popular. Like how we had Obviously Fruits
Basket will be the thing people compare it to, but also stuff
like, you know, Kimini Tidoke, which Peta's always
recommending, you know, just that sort of thing.

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I feel like we used to get a lotmore of it and nowadays it's
more focused on serious drama a lot of the time with very little
comedy apart from some ROM com elements.
And honestly, I think that we just need more stuff like this
in the world nowadays. Just like silly shit that also
is just nice and has like good romance elements to it and

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stuff. Because I love drama, don't get
me wrong, but this just felt like a good like palate cleanser
as someone who just finished watching like 86 Part 2
basically yeah. So I would recommend this if
you're somebody who likes like ROM coms and like just classic

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comic like just classic ROM com shit basically even if you
haven't seen a lot of shojo, I think that this is a recommend
for me. I think that my only thing that
I would say is temper your expectations because like it's
not like this show has a ton of like amazing graphical fidelity
or art style or anything like that, but it's still a treat.

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I liked it. 86 Part 2 Really good show, right?
I like comedy sama kiss more. Great answer.
Great answer. Yeah, fair enough.
All right. Yeah.
And finally, I, I think like what others have said, I came in

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expecting it to be Fruits Basketlevel of quality and I guess a
depth or emotional ties. I guess I, I, maybe I, maybe I'm
not phrasing that perfectly. So I think that that hurt my
viewing at first. At least with the show, my first
impressions were not very high at all.

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I feel like it has some glaring weaknesses that we'll talk
about. However, I do think if you enjoy
it at all, when you try those first few episodes, it does only
just get better and better as the show goes on.
So I wouldn't just flat out not recommend this.
But with that same caveat, it itwas not a show meant for me.

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It was not a show meant to be marketed to me or sold to me in
any way, but I had enough fun. And I think we'll I think I will
have fun talking about it too, because there are a lot of cool
things that it did and that thatreflect on the genre itself or
demographic, however you'd want to refer to that.
And yeah, I'm looking forward totalking about it, but I, yeah.
So I wouldn't recommend it to most people.

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But if you're trying to try showJoe out, I do think it's a
little bit easier of a first step in kind of like what Cat
said versus like Fruits Basket or something heavier.
Would would you call Review Starlight heavier?
I don't know, 'cause like we just did a bunch of these shows.
I think it's yeah. Yeah, also review Starlight, not
a shojo. No.

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No, I know it has shojo in the name.
It's not a shojo. Interesting.
I I thought it was it was it a, a Joe say?
I think it's probably a sign in.I was going to say if you see
cute girls doing performing artsit's probably a sign in.
Unless it's Kagiki show show. That's a show, Joe.

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Kagiki show Joe is a show Joe, yes.
OK, All right, Glad we're clarifying because I thought it
was too OK All right, well, either way, I guess that's my
point. Like I was I I think I just came
in with the the wrong expectations and we'll talk
about that. But yeah, let's get into our
spoiler section of this, which Ithink does matter a little bit.
There's a little bit of consequence to the things that

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happened in the show, so if you haven't watched it yet, give us
a pause. But yeah, just a quick synopsis
that I totally forgot to preparefor, even though I knew Miles
wasn't going to be here hours ago.
Basically, this high school girl, she drops out of her dad's
a gambling addict, and she losesher house.
He runs away and she stumbles upon the shrine.

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There's a a fox God or deity there who takes an interest in
her and they start living together.
And that's the basic premise. It's enough to at least get us
started here. So Pete, I know you had a first
talking point that you wanted totalk about that I think is a
very good like beginner place for us to start with this show.

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Yeah, So I wanted to talk about sort of the progression and more
focus on the beginning episodes of the show.
And this ties into just being predisposed of watching so much
anime. I think we've all been in the
same boat where we watch the first, you know, 15 minutes of a
show and it's like, I think we all kind of know where this is
going. And when shows deviate from that

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path, I think it's both good andbad.
Like, I like being shocked. I like not knowing what the next
episode is going to be. So when Commie Sama sets up the
first episode, we see a girl lose her home, taken in by a
spiritual landlord and high school girl going through all
this family drama. It's like, OK, this is reminded

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me a lot of Fruits Basket and it's going to be brought up a
lot. And then the show sort of
doesn't really go into these matters like where I thought it
was going to. I think Jolene mentioned it a
lot. I think the show was like
extremely goofy and very funny at moments, but sort of how they
set up some of these situations,especially early, kind of like

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pulled me back a little bit. So I want to know if you guys
had any thoughts of like when you were watching the show and
sort of where it went from the beat first episode to whatever
episode you want to talk to. But like the how they expand on
these characters and problems was done in such a different way
that I haven't really seen an anime where they took a much

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light hearted and sillier approach to addressing these
situations than something like Fruits Basket where we have like
trauma and all these other things that like tie into drama
and not comedy. So again, I've never seen fruits
Basket. So it's never been a so I don't

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have that predisposal to I don'tthink I've ever seen anything
that does the start of this the same like because I know that
fruits basket and this have havesimilar starts as you said, but
I I don't think I've seen a showthat actually has that set up.

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So I didn't, I just kind of cameinto it with like fresh eyes and
I didn't have any expectations for it.
So I personally, I felt like it was like the goofiness was just
perfectly fine with me because it was just, I, I don't know, I,
I preferred the goofiness. It felt right with the art style

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to me. And it was just really fun to to
kind of be on the ride throughout the throughout the
show, so. That's fair.
I, I guess it's I'll be the contrast to that.
I, I found it so goofy that I, and maybe it just cause some of
the humor didn't land for me in particular in the first few

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episodes. I was, I was kind of frustrated.
Again, I think the the contrast of me having seen Fruit's basket
and loving it. I was expecting to get right
into the nitty gritty or at least see signs of the trauma
and the things where at least itdidn't feel like it to me.
Like is a good example of her trauma would be the abandonment
right, of her father literally abandoning her, leaving her in

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debt or without a home or anything like that.
And it didn't feel like in thosefirst few episodes, we really
got a lot of expansion upon that.
It almost seems like the problemgot solved immediately by her
finding a place to live. And it didn't get until the
later episodes when she when theromance started to kick up a
little bit between her and Tomoewhere you know, and she was like

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starting to be get jealous or beworried about their connections.
Like it didn't feel like it was really hammering that home for
me, at least at first. I, I don't know if that's a a
similar feeling that you guys might have, but but yeah.
I don't know, like I think that it's tough.

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It's it's really tough. I think a lot of it depends on
if you're comparing like, are you looking at this series as
what part of where it's at in history, or are you comparing it
to like the greater scope of your anime knowledge?
I guess is the question for me. Because if you put it to its

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point in history, this is like pretty typical for a lot of the
stuff for the time, right? I mean, the anime or the manga
for this started, oh, it startedin 2008 actually.
Jesus Christ, nevermind, huh? It doesn't have to just be like
wrong, like this type of show oranything.
It could be like any type of genre where they're setting up.

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Think of this season and it's the show Turkey.
It's a show about bowling. And then the first spoiler alert
for Turkey, by the way, and thenthe first episode they get
transported into like Meiji era Japan or whatever.
Like to some people that's goingto be super stupid and you're
going to drop it. And this is obviously an extreme

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example, but it's like one of those things where it's like
you're going into it thinking it's a bowling anime and now
you're in medieval Japan. Is that good or bad to you?
And I think to me when it you have something like Kami Sama
kiss where especially down the road when we find out that Tomoy
also has like this abandonment issue, like it the person that

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saved him just dipped. So like they have like the same
sort of, I don't know, I want tosay trauma is like the right
word, but they're both dealing with something where like
they're having a figure in theirlife just leave.
And like, I feel like that connection is what should bring
the two together. And it's really not that.
It's more of like the hijinks and stuff that go in between

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each episode that sort of was like, man, there's something
there where you can connect the 2 characters like really well.
But instead they went with this comedic route.
You know, like the first rival is all of a sudden that this
mega pop star in her in her class.
Like that in itself is kind of silly.
Like there's no build up to likethis pop star in our class.

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It's just he's there. Episode 2.
It's like, OK, this is where we're going with the show.
And it's one of those things where like it pulled me back
early, but I like the quality ofthe show enough where later on
it didn't bother me as much. I just thought like how the
setup was seemed a little off. I see.
I see what you're saying for sure with the like the setup.

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And then I also agree that the the way that they got connected,
I wanted it to be a bit more in depth and less less on the silly
side or the calm side of ROM com, right?
Like I wanted it to be a little bit more of an emotional bond.
And again, like, especially in those earlier episodes, I think
that that's where for me, it mattered so much where, you

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know, you could let's be real, there was never any other
chance. No one else ever had a chance
with her with not on me. It's just not not what's
happening in the show. And if it pretends it is, it
isn't. Yeah, there's no way I think
that the Yeah, like you said, ifthey went and mourn into the
nitty gritty with their abandonment issues, I mean, they

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don't even really talk about it to each other, right?
I don't think other than. They did a decent job of it in
like episode 7. Yeah, yeah, later on, right.
Like, and I don't expect it to like like them to end up
together or like exploring theirfeelings in the first like half

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of the series because like Tomoiis fucking hundreds of years old
and you need time for him for Nanomi to break his like
barriers a bit and that sort of thing.
And I think that the supporting cast of gods is actual
specifically, you know, Karama and Mizuki are pretty important
to that because they offer insight into how supernatural

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beings look, while not quite being nearly as hostile as Tomo
in Kurama's case, or more willing to help in Mizuki's
case. And As for like the others not
really ever being an option, I think.
Yeah, I mean, sure, but that's fine to me.
Like, they're not. The whole point of like,

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shipping and stuff like that isn't necessarily that it's
going to happen in the story. Like it's for shippers.
It's cool if it does happen and there are ship wars about that
sort of thing. But something like this, I think
it's just like, oh, you get to have some fan service moments
with like Mizuki or Kurama or whatever.
And like that's like just the kind of crumbs you get.

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Like obvious like it. I think it's just so obvious
she's going to end up with tomboy that like I don't even
see how shippers could be mad about it, you know?
Like they it's probably not evensomething that enters their mind
more or less. That's how I felt in Fruits
Basket too. Like past the first season Yuki
is a non factor in trying to getwith Toru.

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Yeah, like it's very obviously going to be Keo the whole time.
I mean, there's another person that gets introduced but it's
like you are but a small child and honestly you should be gay.
So I don't even know why Bonigi is chasing after Toru, but here
we are. I guess I had that dismantles my
argument, but I was going to saythat fruits basket at least I I
I see what you're saying after the first season, but I felt

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like it was at least a little bit more murky or there was like
an argument to be made for any of those characters that you
just mentioned versus in this show.
I like I I agree with you. Like again I like the shipping
and it is a harem or pseudo harem.
Maybe is a better way to put it in this context like the not

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there was. Maybe this this gets into or
transitions the topic into what My biggest frustration with the
show was that I think we're going to disagree on from the
discussion points I saw, but I felt the supporting cast was
extremely weak for me. I I had no interest in Mizuki or

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Kurama or any of the other. The little chibi characters were
really fun. I thought that their hijinks
were cool but which is such a contrast from Tomoe who I very
much enjoyed his back story as we got more and more of it and
not on me. I enjoyed her I guess
disposition and how she interacted in her her mentality

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towards the whole situation she was in.
I really did enjoy her as well. I just felt a lot more connected
or interested in in the the main2 that than the rest of the cast
and I'm curious how everyone else feels about that.
I liked the supporting. I thought the supporting cast
was pretty decent honestly. Like I think Karama stole the
show a lot of the time for me just because like he's funny as

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hell and the English dub he doesa an amazing cover of the Ed
that was like an actual in my opinion.
He he wears so much drip. And I honestly like Mizuki quite
a bit too. I thought that his episode
introducing him was really interesting and he had a a solid
back story that I think helps you kind of inform a bit more

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about Tomoe later to show that Oh yeah.
Like gods are fully caped or supernatural beings are fully
capable of falling in love, thatsort of thing.
So obviously Tomoe has somethinggoing on for him to act like
this instead of, you know, like kind of showing any sort of

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emotion towards not of me. So the rest of the cast, like
the spirits or whatever, I mean,they're just cute little
mascots, mascot characters. It's really just those two.
But I think that they do like a pretty solid job as fulfilling
the supporting cast role. Oh, and Mikage watching from
like the background was interesting too.

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Like he seems like a interestingenough character even though
he's a fucking deadbeat. Yes, he is.
More than a deadbeat, Yeah. Jesus, this guy, he.
Literally said he was going to town for some cigarettes.
Yeah, or milk or something. Yeah, that is funny.
In terms of like dad abandonment, like that's the
that's the thing that they chose.

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I'm going to agree. Karamo is my goat.
He was, I, I like like just likethe role he played.
Like, yeah, he was the cocky popstar, but he never like pushed
the limits of that. Like he was cool with the fame,
but he didn't really like, he wasn't like a womanizer.
He wasn't like he like tried to help Nanami, like out of the

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goodness of his heart, like not just doing it to like try to
sleep with her. It's it seemed like he was like
actively just trying to help outpeople.
Mizuki to me was a little too clingy, a little too creepy for
my liking. Like the first time he meets
Nanami, he's like, OK, you're marked as my bride now.
And then he's like, and then shehad that the whole thing and

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then Nanomi's like, OK, I'll go after that whole thing was
finished and they become friends.
Whatever. Nanomi's like, OK, I'll come
visit your shrine some other time.
She never goes and visits his shrine.
He comes to their shrine like yo, Bizuki get the hit bro, like
she's not coming for a reason. So and then the the end with or

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not the end, but with the thing with Isohime where like he takes
he gets back. Like not to me is 30 years that
she agreed to or whatever, but it's like he does it by or he
like does the deal and then likewakes her up by kissing her.
It's like, dude, get the hit. It ain't going to work.
He's just a little too creepy for me.

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But outside of like musicy, I really did enjoy the cast.
There's a character that comes up in Season 2 that's more of
like a antagonist threat that I feel like should have been
introduced in Season 1 at least a little bit more, because I
think that element of having like a true antagonist could
help a lot in this show. But I would agree, I would say

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the supporting cast, outside of music, he was really good.
To me, a lot of the, the supporting cast was part of the
reason why I enjoyed the show somuch, because they were
especially in the first few episodes, because I, I enjoy gag
comedies a lot. So watching like all the gags

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going on with Visakhi and Karma and, and the TV's like
everything that was going on. That was one of the main reasons
why I why I really enjoyed the show.
So I couldn't really like I, I kind of heavily disagree with

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you. They're like, I just enjoyed
them way too much to. No, that's fair.
I mean, I again, I I thought it was going to be an unpopular
opinion, but I guess it makes sense why I, I think you guys
all enjoyed the show a lot more than I did.
I guess I like I did not enjoy Karama at all really.
I I didn't like when they were on screen musicy like I think

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you touched on Pete like his creepy and not.
I didn't love the the vibe I wasgetting from him for most of the
show and I felt like the the thedeadbeat dad.
That's a pretty funny comparisonor joke to make, but he vanishes
for most of the show and then kind of slips in at the end.
And same with Otohiko is barely involved in the show as well.

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Like I I wanted more from them if they were going to be such a
pivotal or important characters.I guess, you know, versus like,
but again, the the highlight, I really did like Tomoe and Nana
me and their relationship, especially as the show went on.
I liked how that they were able to bond, get more out of each
other row as people, well, people, but you know, I mean

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like grow their characters and and develop further.
So and I think it like like you said, cat, the gag comedy, a lot
of it just wasn't landing for me, which is probably why I
didn't enjoy music here Karma asmuch specifically because there
is a lot of gag comedy involvingthem.
And then also the other random demons that are the demons or

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gods or whatever they the the. Yokai.
Yokai, whatever. Yeah, like, whatever that
terminology or correct terminology in that situation
would be. Yeah, like those characters,
too. I was just kind of like, all
right, little monster of the wiki, which isn't a bad thing
necessarily, but some of it was,some of it wasn't, you know, not
my favorite trope, though, you know?

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So there we go. Yeah, Pete, you had another
talking point. I know you wanted to highlight
as well. Why don't we move on to that?
I guess do we want to save the like the the romance to later or
can we do you want to add that with this?
Let's just dive right into it. Yeah, 'cause like, you know, I,
I kind of highlighted with my point that I really like Tomoy
Anatomy. Like what did, what specifically

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did you like? OK.
Especially pertaining to the romance then?
I, I gotta get this is another frustration that I had with this
show is I love the chase when itbuilds up to the finale, like it
when it gets to the climax or whatever.
And that the, the, the series essentially ends with Tomoy sort
of lying to Nanomi that he like wants to like reseal their

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contract and they have to do that with a kiss.
But the contract was never broken.
So he's actually just sort of wanting to kiss Nanomi and he
knows that Nanomi likes her and everything like that.
But the thing was like, when is Tomoy's wall going to break?
When is he going to get over thehump of like, I I don't know if

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it's like the sooner a type of character where he's like hiding
the feelings, but I never felt that Tomoy liked Nana me like
romantically, like they did a really good job at Tomoy sort of
stating that's like, I'm not interested in not just you, but
like all girls, like I'm not interested.
And when they got to that point in the end and they sealed it

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with a kiss, to me, it kind of felt out of nowhere.
Like it felt like it was way toofast for this wall that Tomoy
was building up the entire season.
It's one of those things where Iwas predisposed to something
like Fruits Basket, where a lot of the time it's identifying why
these characters are having a hard time expressing their

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feelings. There's a lot of trauma and
Tomoy has a ton of trauma. Most of it he can't remember,
but it's still like lingering inhis soul, I feel like.
And it to me, it wasn't expressed as much as I wanted it
to be to finally like move on past his previous relationship

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because like his last person that he was romantically
involved with died with his baby.
So it's like that's that's huge.Like that is a huge thing for
your character to get over with and like Nana me is like a great
person to be like your next likemate.

(29:50):
But just like how they built up Tomoy's wall and how fast it
crumbled to me was a major issuewith their relationship.
But Pat, it sounds like you might have a different opinion,
so I'd like to hear it. Yeah, and like, I'm not going to
sit here and pretend that this is like the best romance ever
either. Like I I just, I did enjoy the
parts of it. Like I I think one thing that

(30:10):
helps me get over that wall thatyou talked about a little bit
quicker is the fact that is it not, unless I misread the
subtitles, is it not discovered that Natami was in control of
his previous love interest's body during the time that Tomoe
fell in love with her? Yeah, I think it's like she's
like a descendant of that character, I feel like.

(30:33):
Well, she she like time travels back.
That's like a vision though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's not like I thought it was.
Cuz she's like in a coma when that's happening.
But like, it's her soul or whatever is, is the idea that
that's how I interpreted it. So that would make sense, I
think, for Tom away to like, tear that wall down.

(30:53):
Tear that wall down, Mr. Korbuche, a little bit faster
than a than you otherwise would expect to.
That's the way I interpreted that that interaction, which is
why it didn't bother me as much.But I do get what you're saying
that. Yeah, like 500 years of laying
that trauma build up or however long it is.
I I forget what the exact time it's?
A long time. It's a long time and and so that

(31:17):
part of the romance felt rushed,but I do see them working
together, I guess, as a pair andthe way and their personalities
do well together. They're they banter off each
other. Well.
That's the stuff that I liked and that I was more focused on.
But I do agree with you. It's nowhere near like Fruit.
Again, I, I, we, we're, no, we're just going to, I'm not
going to caveat what I say anymore.
We are to get, I'm going to keepcomparing it to Fruit's basket

(31:38):
in my head at least because of what we're doing.
Like it doesn't compare to Fruit's basket in terms of that
development. But that's also a very high hill
to climb because Fruit's basket's like one of the best
shows of the past years ever. So right.
So it's a, it's a, it's a hard comparison, I think to make or,
or an unfair comparison, but I do see it leaving wanting more.

(31:58):
What do you guys think? This also reminded me a lot of
Inuyasha. I don't know if any of y'all
ever seen that, but I think thatInuyasha really obviously that's
a shonen where and done by the GOAT Rumiko Takahashi.
So there's like a bit of a difference there.
But I think that does like the slow burn human yokai angle like

(32:23):
a bit better. But that just might be because
like it's Rumiko Takawa. She and her character writing is
insane. But like I think that it's a
good example of like showing like how you can show that these
characters care about each otherwhile also having a little bit
of will they won't they. But it doesn't ever feel like

(32:43):
it's forced or aggressive or like either character as being
like a nuisance to the other one.
Where in this it does kind of feel sometimes like Tomoy is
such a fucking Dick anatomy about it.
That is, he is being like that she is being a nuisance to.
Him that's so fun. Just Pats like I love the back

(33:05):
and forth between that was like,Tomoy is a Dick all the time.
Yeah. Well, there's different kinds of
flirting. There's different kinds of
flirting and there's there the Edoesn't go too far too.
I will agree with you 100%. But I think the banter back and
forth is kind of like she says stuff under her breath sometimes
too, that it's like she said that to him or does say stuff to
him sometimes that is rude too. I think it goes back and forth

(33:26):
and I think I, I do agree with your point though, Jolene.
I think Inuyasha does slow burn better but it also has 167
episodes versus this house. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
You know, like does that. Difference in time scale
obviously. I see your point though, I do I
agree with it too. Has any I loved Inuyasha
watching that girl like Toonami man so good.

(33:49):
And it's a good comparison with the yokai as well.
That's a good point. I didn't even like make that
connection in my head. I you know, I wonder if as grow
like to slightly sidebar before we get back to you cat like did
you ever mix this show in Inuyasha up when you were first
getting into anime? Because I feel like I had two of
them. I did.
Not know about this show when I first got into anime.
Well I guess I got into anime before this manga even existed.

(34:13):
I was watching Uniosher like four or five years before this.
That's I guess I was too. That's fair as but I guess I
just maybe I saw pictures of this anime and thought that it
was this or thought it was Inuyasha or something like GIFs
or whatever. For sure heard people talking
about it when I first got back into anime.
Yeah, that's a fairpoint. But yeah, anyway, sorry Cat.

(34:34):
What do you think about the romance and or specifically more
Tomoy and Anatomy's relationship?
Yeah, I don't know, Like, I don't know, this is, this feels
a lot more. I guess it's an odd comparison,
but it felt more like, and maybethis is just because I'm playing

(34:57):
the game again, but it felt weirdly like the relationship
between Johnny Silverhand and V and Cyberpunk.
If you've ever played it, I don't know, Pete, you never
played it. But like, yeah, like they're
kind of stuck together and it's Johnny Silver Hand's a Dick the

(35:19):
entire time. But it becomes, it goes from
being an insufferable Dick to being the Dick that you can't
live without. So it's it's one of those things
like it's. It's.
I don't know, I I. Really enjoyed their their

(35:41):
banter as well. And I felt like, yes, it felt a
lot more like, wow, tomboy is a Dick.
Wow, you know, anatomy's actually said that to him.
But I feel like that's closer, that felt a little bit closer to
reality to me than it did to then it would be to just be like

(36:01):
good at banter back and forth, you know, like, like these
people are stuck together and now they have to like, and yes,
they're not, they're both not great with each other all the
time. But I feel like that's something
that they just kind of, I just felt more normal to me, I guess.

(36:24):
Yeah. And they are sort of stuck
together, right, because of their oaths or whatever you
would want to call the, the, theway things get set up.
I think that that is a good point to, to throw out there
that they aren't, although they don't really hammer that home
that they don't like each other at first because I think they do
very clearly at least have like some interest right off the bat
rather than being completely combative.
But I, I, I see what you're saying that they are, you know,

(36:46):
by circumstance, kind of stuck together and then they, they
grow from there. So definitely some progress
there. Yeah.
And so, Pete, what have you got for us next?
Yeah. So I want to talk about theming
and messaging in the story that there was definitely some in
this and how it was handled. I think a couple ones that stuck

(37:06):
out to me like redemption and forgiveness through Tomboy.
I think that's a huge part of his character and finding like
self worth with anatomy, experiencing like what she went
through and sort of take making the best out of a bad situation
I thought was actually done really well.
I did kind of like how she sort of just gravitated.

(37:26):
Also this is just like a maybe adub thing.
Did you guys thought it was the lamb God or the land God?
Land. OK, maybe it's just because I
have terrible hearing. I thought it was the lamb God
forever. I was like, what the hell is a
lamb God? I was like, OK, I'll just go
with it. Then I realized like episode 10
it was land God. I was like, oh, that makes way

(37:48):
more sense. So I was a little confused with
the early episodes, but I guess if there's any theming or
messaging that stuck out to you in this story and like expand on
it if you'd like. I.
Was going to say like on the contrast, I felt very, I wanted
to hear what you guys had to saybecause I nothing in particular
like stood out to me as like exceptional or like really,

(38:10):
really like catching me, which Ithink is part of the reason why
I especially at the beginning, wasn't enjoying the show as much
I think. That I can dive in the mind
then. Yeah, because like the themes of
abandonment, I I think that thatis something that they get to
especially later on in the series when they start to
realize that they miss each other or interest in each other.
I think that they do a really good job with that.
But I figured you were going to talk about that one, so I wanted

(38:31):
to. Yeah.
Why don't you start to fail? None of us have something all.
Right, So it's going to be no spoiler, but Nana, me is my
favorite character in the entirestory.
I really enjoyed her and sort oflike what she did.
And the biggest thing that stoodout to me with her character was
sort of she's getting handed allof these things that she's
unfamiliar with and it's something that she never signed

(38:53):
up for. It really like the whole
circumstance of like getting a housing and becoming the God was
out of pure whatever. Like if if her dad never left,
this never happens. But her character gets involved
with all these different situations.
And I think a lot of times people would get in like
mindsets of like, I didn't sign up for this shit.

(39:14):
I'm getting too old for this shit, that type of thing.
But Nami handles it with grace, she handles it with class, with
heart and stuff like that. When you when it's showcasing
characters really sticks out to me because those are the type of
characters that I really gravitate towards, especially in
these types of shows, which is why you see someone like Toru
Honda, who is beloved by anybodywho has seen the Fruits Basket.

(39:37):
You see a lot of that in this character.
And so while I do think it's Toru Light, it's still good.
Like it's still like a really quality character.
So just like her trials and tribulations that she goes
through with the story I thoughtwere handled really well.
And it was done in a manner thatfit the the tone of the show
that they were going for. Where this is a huge deal to her

(40:02):
and like losing the life that she has and handling it the way
she does, I think is a is a great way to write a character
and a great way for people to connect to a character.
So I just think the character work of anatomy really stood out
to me. I I think the way that you just
described it is perfectly encapsulating why I liked her.
She is essentially based on everything you just said,

(40:23):
reverse Shinji, like almost to AT right, like handles with this
adversity with grace, takes it on head on.
Likes is learning from it, struggles with it still, but is
like taking it head on rather than, you know, kind of just I
won't do too much with Evangelion.
You know, whatever we disagree on it.

(40:44):
No, no, no, of course not. Then I wasn't going to, you know
what I mean? Like like that's how I why I
probably like her a lot as a character too.
I agree she's probably my favorite or her.
Her and tomboy are hard to separate in my head.
But like those two I like the most because I felt like she
tried and wanted to make her situation work and was not

(41:08):
having an easy time with it but never gave up and kept kept the
right attitude towards it I guess and that's why I really
liked her a lot. I guess, baby, is there a theme
or message that in the show you didn't like how it was handled?
Or maybe you didn't get what they were trying to do with it.
And I OK, so I've really like one of my one of my biggest, one

(41:31):
of my favorite tropes in any type of media is found family.
And as much as I liked the as much as I really enjoy the the
side characters and like, like seeing them on screen, it felt
like it was trying to have a bitof that found family like vibe.

(41:52):
And I don't I couldn't really get much into it.
And that that was one of the things that I that I was really
critical about when I was watching this show because I
wanted there, I wanted there to be a little bit more of a
connective tissue between everyone rather than just being,
you know, it just being a gag. And yes, I do like gag comedies,

(42:15):
but they're I would like to see,you know, I would like to see
Karama and Mizuki be a little bit closer towards closer to
anatomy and Tom away in a more like tight knit thing.
But, and I get one that can't bethe case, but it's, it's just, I

(42:43):
don't know, like it, it was touching on it and when it's
touching on it, I need it to finish.
And that, that's my, that's my biggest issue with the with the
found family aspect of it. We're just not doing phrasing
anymore. It was touching on it and when
it touches on it I need to finish.
There's been a lot of that todayso far in this hour that we.

(43:05):
See. See you.
You expect me to have tact, and I don't get why.
I don't get where that came fromat all.
It's a fairpoint, Cat. It is a very fairpoint.
You got. Me.
There's a reason I'm on this podcast.
You show up every Monday. Yeah.

(43:28):
That is half the battle. It really is especially where
some of our members Miles. Yeah, dare he unbelievable.
How rude I'm trying. I know I'm trying to think of
like anything that stuck out to me again.
I, I think I already said it right with the themes of an
abandonment or trying to get over that grief that they have

(43:50):
had in the past. I think again, that's where
Naomi and Tomoi are more focusedon.
And who knows too. There's was there a whole other
season and a couple Ovas as wellfor the series that we didn't
watch that maybe approach that more with some of the side
characters a little deeper. But I felt like that was like

(44:10):
Tomoi and Naomi rightfully were the main focus being the main
characters. And and I thought they did a
good job of highlighting their grief that they that they've
experienced and their and their hardships, I guess in there and
what they've had to do and theirinteractions with the other
deities, whatever and their roles within their their lives,

(44:30):
I guess, you know, are within the the shrines and their
existence. I thought they did a pretty good
job with that. I do want to agree with Kat
though the the found family in this felt a little off with it
it it never felt like a family and it never felt like they were
getting to that. The only people that I felt like

(44:51):
were a family were Nanami and the two like gremlin kids,
Kotetsu and Onikiri. Like those like Nadami would
take a bullet for those two. Like Nadami loves those two
unconditionally. The the things that she said and
like how she acted towards like when they were getting like

(45:13):
attacked and harassed and stuff like that.
I was like that was those were her babies.
But like everybody else, like Tomoy didn't seem like he cared
about anybody at the shrine. Even like makage it to me.
It felt more like, I don't know,like losing like a boss at like

(45:35):
a boss at work that he liked or something.
Like it never felt like he missed.
I know like he searched for him and everything like that, but
like it didn't feel like he was searching for him because he
missed him. It felt like he was searching
for him because he needed him. Like it was like a necessity.
And to me, that's kind of like where the found family aspect

(45:57):
missed the mark. I think it could maybe with more
context, it can get a little bitbetter.
But just how it was built up in Season 1, I didn't think it did
that good of a job at sort of setting up because like, I don't
want Mizuki to be a part of thisgroup if he's going to be, you
know, creeping anatomy all the time.
I see. I see what you're saying for
sure. With the with that aspect of the

(46:19):
like Bikage feels almost like helike, yeah, you need him, but
you don't want him to be around or, or he doesn't feel like he
wants to be there either. So there's that, that whole
aspect of it too, for sure. And it's like I do yet and.
We're comparing it to like Fruits Basket a lot.
And it's like there's this pointin Fruits Basket where like Yuki
gets it, like he understands that this is not where we need

(46:44):
to go. And so I hope Mizuki has sort of
that light bulb moment in like Season 2 where he understands
that Tomoe is end game and not him and can change his character
a little bit. Because when we're doing like
when you have a chase scenario, but like the end game is already

(47:04):
like solidified, I kind of want the chase to be over with with
the other people. And Mizuki still sort of gives
me the vibes of like, he's not going to stop because that's the
type of person he is. And I hope he does.
Would you say that's more your feeling though for harems in
general, though, Because I wonder, because like when you
think about like I think of the other like harem and and again,
this is not a clearly defined like harem show, but like, yeah,

(47:28):
I was thinking of, well, domestic girlfriend's a good
example, I think. But I was more thinking even
along the lines of like Quince or Bokuben or or a guy Ru, you
know, where there's all the you know, there's it's like a clear
who's probably going to. Win.
Maybe not with Prince. As much but.
But like then those examples, like all those character like or

(47:51):
a guy who UE knows and she has amoment where she loses it
because she knows she's not end game like and and it it breaks
her like it's entire episode in season 3.
There are these moments where itit clicks with the character and
they're not maybe not like theirmindset, but like they get it.

(48:13):
They get that idea of like this is no longer the path I can
take, but then there's some characters that keep taking that
path and that's what I don't like.
But like Quints, we don't know until the last episode type of
thing. We're like, we don't know who
end game is in quints. We don't know who end game is in
Boku Band. But yeah, I gave my org I real

(48:34):
example so that that's the thingwith Mizuki.
It can change, don't get me wrong.
But like, and those other examples, we find out later down
the road who's like the winner. I feel like it's so clear as day
and this that it's like, I need you to get off the path sooner
rather than later. And I feel like he's still on
the path by the end of Season 1.I feel that.

(48:56):
I still feel that way about UE though, like you said in
Oragaru, I guess you know where even like you said with that
specific episode. I almost feel like Mizuki has
that too in this first season does he not?
Where he's like in his like dedicated episode to himself, he
kind of realizes, oh, I'd never had a shot in the 1st place.
Like he kind of has that moment and he keeps going down that
path. I guess I see them as like

(49:17):
parallel or more their stories or their, their involvements in
the stories as more parallel than you do.
But I I I see what you're sayingthough, like or or why the yeah,
like quince is a quince was probably a bad example or Boku
Ben. Boku Ben Each girl gets their
own ending. I was going to say like there's
like a clear 1 though, right? Like you would think that makes

(49:38):
the most sense, but I guess not technically the.
Visual Novel routed it. Yeah, that's.
Everyone's a winner. Cowards, that.
Was a That was a deep cut. I can't believe I remembered I
watched that show. That's crazy. 2018 was a wild
time, or whatever year that showcame.
Up it it was college so it had to be like 2018.
I have no idea. I'm just throwing out random

(50:00):
years, but that was early. That was early podcasting days
for me. That was early for us together
for sure, too. Yeah.
Oh, man. All right.
How about some more? I guess less unless you guys
have something else to add to that.
OK perfect transition. Maybe some more of the light

(50:21):
hearted stuff. I thought the the music was
awesome throughout the show. Like the OP is a bop.
I I've I've heard it before thisshow and I'm going to keep
hearing it after. It's so much fun.
Did you read? The lyrics, by the way.
I did I and and the E DS lyrics are interesting as well.
Especially like with the final episode, it makes a lot of
sense. It ties them together.

(50:41):
Thought that that was really well done.
I assume that that's like thumbsup or people agree.
Or. Anything more it?
Was so good both. Of them I didn't skip either of
them Angular time and I liked how they would mix the Ed and
when like dramatic shit was happening at the end of the
affair. I wish.

(51:02):
I wish. Yeah, that was, that was great.
So fucking good. Even if I wanted to to skip it,
I know my wife would make me rewind it so I'd have to watch
the rest of it, the whole thing,so.
Yeah, I thought the character designs were good, but I thought
the art was for 2012 was pretty like mid was that would would

(51:25):
you guys agree, like maybe the movement or the the the the the
way that the show worked together, because again, I think
the design wise they're sick, but I didn't love how it was
animated. How?
How about? You can I just call it one
thing. I I believe it's the last
episode when Nanami. I agree though, I think the
character designs are fantastic.But like overall the show was

(51:46):
just like fine, but they do this.
It's part of like the gay comedyof the whole thing.
But when Nanomi is like coming back to the shrine after leaving
and she's like running there, they do like the Looney Tunes.
The. That shoe is great.
That was fantastic dying. It was 'cause it came out

(52:07):
nowhere, 'cause like the visual comedy stuff was like the chibi
stuff, you know, those type of things.
And all of a sudden it's like, OK, I'm watching Looney Tunes
from the 70s again. So I just want to show out that
that that was the funniest thingin the entire show.
It cracked me the fuck up. That was so good.
Yeah, I love that bit. Honestly, that was suit like

(52:30):
this show, like it was like pretty like giggle funny
throughout the whole thing. But there were times whenever
they just like got like a real banger of a joke in there.
I was like, all right, like I didn't.
I misunderstood what you were like.
I was unfamiliar with your game,you know.

(52:50):
That's fair. Yeah.
I again, it wasn't. I didn't find it as funny, I
think as everyone else did. But like like Pete, that
specific gag was was very good, even if it might have been to
cover just not having to draw her running.
It worked. It worked.
No, exactly. It did work.
It was good. And and again, some of the IT

(53:11):
was it's just very hit or miss as comedy usually is in these
kind, especially in these kinds of shows.
Right. So.
In the words of Miles, you'll either like it or not like it.
Yeah, very, very wise words. Or Sage.
Miles. Yeah, that sucks that Miles
isn't going to be on the podcastanyway.
Poor guy. Poor guy.
I know. He's not dead, he's just, he's

(53:31):
just sick. Yeah.
Oh sorry, I I should say though sorry with with your actual
question. I think that the focal point of
the characters being like reallywell done was enough to handle
everything else that the show through at because it's not the
type of show that needs this type of thing.

(53:54):
Though there were some parts where I felt like it.
It felt like a Photoshop layer type of deal a couple of times.
I don't what like that's the type of thing it was like, I
don't care. Like you could be you could be
stick figures and I'll still give it what I give it.
Like it doesn't matter. It's just funny when stuff like
that happens where it's like, man, like this one scene really

(54:17):
got you guys, huh? I wonder why?
I was trying to think of cause in in like the the final scene,
one of the more important sceneswhere she does the dance, her
Mikage kind of does like a blow or whatever.
He like kind of like influences her with butterflies.
And now that I speak this out loud, I'm thinking, oh, it's a
metamorphosis like ha ha, she's turning into like she's coming

(54:41):
out of her cocoon or whatever. So I guess that that's what the
metaphor was there, but I was just thinking like, why?
How are butterflies gonna help you against a giant spider?
Cause like, spiders eat butterflies, not the other way
around, you know? So my brain just immediately
went to that and it was like, that's terrible.
Like why is she like, why is herKomodo covered in butterflies
now? I don't know, but now I get it.
Spoiler also I'm not it's a hintit relates to makage.

(55:04):
It relates to makage. OK, that would make it make more
sense too. So maybe there's more more
details there. Makage and butterflies.
Yeah. Oh yeah, good to know.
So for if we ever do season 2, we'll know or we'll we'll hear
that going forward or I. Guess we ready for it by season
2. Is this Acura rating?

(55:24):
This Acura O character looks sinister.
Is that the guy who showed up atthe end for a second?
Yeah, yeah. He's like the antagonist of
season 2. That makes sense.
And he's got a vibe where I'm fucking with.
Sexy antagonist? Yeah.
I'm very curious too. I don't even remember this

(55:45):
Kirihito Mori character like thethe black haired guy, Was he
involved even in the season at all or is he just listed on the
character list because of the like maybe he's shown in a
flashback or something. Kirihito.
I don't. Yeah, yeah.
The end of season 1 and he's theantagonist of season 2.
Got it. OK.
Along with Akurao. OK.

(56:06):
They're the same person. They are.
Oh. Kirihito is.
Is that not a spoiler? No.
No. No, you click.
On. I must have missed it.
I must have missed it. That's weird.
I like. If you're on Mal, click his
name. Well, that's what I'm saying.
That's a it says spoiler. His name is not a spoiler.

(56:26):
OK, we'll we'll whatever. Let's do our closing thoughts
and final scores on on this showon Kami Sama kiss.
I almost forgot the name of it for a second there on Inuyasha
here. What are and we're not going to
start with miles like we normally do again, missing in
action cat. What have you got for us for

(56:48):
your final score and closing thoughts?
Oh. Yeah, so I was pleasantly
surprised by Kami Sama Kiss. I this is not a this when my
wife was trying to show me the show probably seven months ago,
She I just wrote it off because it's not a show that I thought I

(57:10):
would like. And then when we started running
look and she wanted to do she wanted to like do have me watch
this more for for research rather than just, oh, this is an
anime that I think go like. It turned out that it was an
anime that I liked and I really enjoyed it.
Like I as much as the the found family thing kind of messes with

(57:35):
me and there a lot of the thingsthat I would normally gripe on
when it comes to like animation.It's just not there for me
personally because like it doesn't really need animation in
my opinion. And it was funny.
So I really enjoyed it. So yeah, my my final score is an

(57:58):
8. 8 out of 10. All right, Pete, what about you?
I think I've voiced moist moist.Most of my concerns of this show
was not moist. I'll just put it out that way.
English is hard. It is hard.
I do just wish that the way thatthey handled the more serious

(58:19):
messagings and backstories of people was handled in a way
where I felt like I could connect to the characters a
little bit better. But because of the comedic
breakups, a lot with the within like the episodes themselves or
just like the episodes overall in general felt a little out of
place for me where I didn't knowif the episodes I was coming

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into, if I was going to laugh orhave more serious moments.
And then the next episode kind of like flip the script.
It was kind of like hard to judge engage where my emotional
investment was in the show because I just didn't I couldn't
get a good grasp on it. That was probably my biggest
concern. But towards the end, outside of
the the confession and how they get together, I really liked how

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they were putting the story together.
I like the interweaving of the monster of the week to get a
better idea of like the yokai's in the world.
It remind me a lot of like Noragami where you got to see
interactions with other yokai soyou have like a better
understanding of like what thesecharacters, these yokai's are
doing in their life. So I appreciate stuff like that.

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I'm just glad like the show ended stronger than it started
because I feel like if it was the opposite, I wouldn't want to
watch season 2. But it did a good enough job for
me to want to watch more of this.
I'm going to give this A7. I wasn't the biggest fan of this
show. I still think it's good, but it
missed the mark and sort of thisshojo ROM com stylish show that

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I look for in my video. So it's still a good show, just
not what I thought it was going to be here.
All right, Jolene, what about you?
Yeah, I like this show well enough.
I thought that the two main likethe two leads were pretty solid,
only written with the, you know,few amount of episodes that they

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had. I think that this is another
case of a show where, you know, it's something we come back to
kind of often when we're reviewing like our usual 1 core
shows where there's a lot of shows where it feels like, oh
man, this might have went like crazy with another, you know, 12
episodes or whatever in this core to build up for the next
season. And I think that this in this

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sort of like shojo young adult romance, I think that, you know,
it usually depends on slow burn quite a bit, as we mentioned
with Inuyasha, which obviously is a shown in but written by a
shojo author primarily. So it has elements of that in
the romance. So I think that suffers for the

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suffers for that. I also think that for a lot of
people that are going to see this and go, oh man, there's
just nothing like really catching me here.
As far as animation goes, there's nothing really special
going on with it at all, apart from like the character designs
being really nice and the being on model, you know, that sort of
thing. Like Pat said, I did enjoy the

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music quite a bit. You know, it's a show I
personally enjoyed watching, butthere's kind of a ceiling on how
I feel about this because like, I just think it's not really
offering a ton compared to some of the sort of like juggernauts
of the genre like Fruits Basket.I mean, really, Fruits Basket is

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like the primary one this is going to be compared to.
And that is not an admirable position to be in for any show,
let alone one that's not hittingabove.
It's like weight class like thisone.
So on Mao, I gave this like an 8, but I think for the purpose,
not Mao any list. I gave this an 8, but I think

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for the purpose of our ratings this is closer to like a 7 1/2
rounded down to A7 for me. I completely agree as well that
like it pales in comparison in every single thing that this
show tries to do compared to Fruits Basket.
I think it pales in like the comedy is better.
I think in Fruits Basket, I think the the writing, the

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direction, the art, the music isreally good in this show, but
the music in fruits baskets better.
It's so, so hard for it to be compared to such a giant as any
show would, like you said, wouldstruggle to.
I just and these first few episodes we we were kind of able
to dance around it, but I reallystruggled at the start of this.

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I think it grew immensely my enjoyment by the end of this
show. However, those first few
episodes were really, really tough to get through.
I was very bored by the side characters and again, I don't
think that that really improved very much for me specifically
throughout the show. Anatomy and Tomoe are definitely

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the saving grace of this show. They they are much more
interesting to me and I I'd be curious to read more about them
going forward. But for me, I felt that this
show just clearly wasn't really made for me either.
So I, I, I think like Julian said, like there was a cap on
how much I could enjoy it just knowing how like how good the

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other shows in this genre are orthis demographic are.
So for me, this is a six out of 10.
I thought it was fine. I don't think it was like
offensive in any way either. I just thought it was fine.
So 6 out of 10 for me, which brings our total score including
miles is 7 out of 10. It was mid whatever.
Thoughts. That's not what he said.

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Let. Me clarify, let me see.
I think it's very fine. Some funny moments for me.
The harem moments got a little much for me.
I didn't really consider it similar to fruits basket, even
though I get the comparison in retrospect.
I don't have a lot to add is what he said to me.
So those are those are his thoughts and it's that's how he

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ended up at a 7 out of 10. But that does bring us to a
total score averaged out between5 people of drum roll a perfect
seven out of 10. So good for us for making my
math very easy there. Pat on the back compared to on
Mal Kami Sama kiss has an 8.12, so a little lower on it.

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But maybe given our demographicsof the podcast, it's not as
surprising, you know? If I was a 14 year old girl,
this would be the best thing I've ever read in my entire
life. Well I just like I need the
preference. 34 year old man, this show is not made for me.
At all yeah not not at all and Ithat's that's how I felt too

(01:05:00):
watching this exactly like you said it perfectly for me I think
that that's it's about where we're at but yeah so this is
where I normally kick it to miles to tell us what show won
but again as we keep saying he'sjust not here right now when we
need it him most so instead. I have the results like Mikage,
yes. He Mikage does.
That's so rude of him. He said Pat, hold down the Fort.

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He said he was sick when you really he's just, he's playing
Magic the Gathering or something.
I'm running out of milk, guys. I just said cigarettes.
I'm going to have to leave soon too.
Yeah, no, but yeah. So in 3rd place we had a tie
between in each earning their own legacy point, the portrait
of Cosette and Mononoke earning both legacy points.

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In 3rd place. In second place we had Lazarus
earning its third legacy point. And in first we will be watching
Mei Bachi Wishes. Yeah, let's go.
Yes, so that will be what we'll be watching two weeks from now
for Watch Club. I'm looking forward to it.
It's just from the secret sanitydiscussion we had.

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I'm a little scared now because people have told me to temper my
expectations. Maybe because I don't like idle
stuff as much, but who's who knows?
We'll see if it's witches. I like witches.
Witches are cool. We'll see.
We'll see. We'll get there.
Witches are cool. Witches are cool.
Witches are badass. You know witches.
Yeah, which is non derogatory. There you go yeah exactly all

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right let's talk about what we're nominating too for watch
club two weeks from now or what to vote on.
So Miles is going to re up Cosette with his usual strategy
of earning legacy points until Halloween.
So that's that's up there tread.You could add that in I'm.
Trying to think if Miles has ever screwed me over on this

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because then I want to nominate it type of thing.
No, he is not OK. He is tried.
You're safe. Have.
He's safe for now, but yeah, Cat, what are you nominating for
Watch Club? I am.
Not used to be at first, are you?

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No, I'm not. He's also used to not bringing a
show. I have two shows right now which
is the what I'm trying to decidebetween.
Wink. I can re up season 2 or I can do
or I can do my dress up darling.Pick one, it's up to.
You. Fucking.

(01:07:42):
It it My dress up Darling. OK, that was a great reference.
By the way, Jolene, I heard it. I don't know if anyone else did,
but I think, alright, My Dress Up Darling is one of the other
shows being nominated. Seems like we're we're moving
closer and closer towards havingthe same shows nominated.
That would be very interesting. Pete, what are you?
Bringing I'll switch it out. I I can't believe how busy I am

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lately. So I'm gonna pick a movie I want
to Mal and the most the top rated non gitama movie that I
haven't seen. I'm going to nominate Nasuka,
The Valley of the Wind. Nasuka, the Valley of the Wind.
Ghibli baby. Oh no, it's not Ghibli.
It's the he worked on it before starting Ghibli.

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This is the last film he worked on.
Nah. That's what I'm talking about,
in case you didn't get who I wastalking about.
I was kind of like I it has to be.
He directed Nasuka and then wentand started Ghibli after NASA.
Valley of the Wind, maybe that'll find it for me.
Nausica has the. NAUSICAA we.

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Could do it after as well. It doesn't have to be right now.
That's. True.
Well, we can also edit this out.Except wink wink, we won't.
Because I have to edit it so. No, I know.
I know. No, we're.
I found it. I found it.
And Trent did too. Or you did too In the future,
Mr. Editor. All right, Jolene, what about
you? I decided that I'm gonna

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nominate something that has sometrans representation.
I'm gonna nominate Zombieland Saga.
Oh. Yeah, hey.
Hell yeah, love that show. I could talk about that show all
the time. We get a refresher before the
movie. No, we haven't done Zombies.
You've nominated it before, but it's never won.
Yeah. I was genuinely surprised it

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hasn't won. Yeah, well, it's one because I
was nominating. It it's like, no, no, it's like
Konosuba. We've all seen it.
So it's like, yeah. Well, I haven't seen it so.
Oh shit. Yeah, it's really good.
I will be voting for that first myself, but yeah, sweet.
All right. And I'll be re upping Lazarus.
I feel like we've lost some steam.

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We did just get second place again, you know, always
bridesmaid. Let's become the bride, guys.
Let's do some Lazarus. Let's watch some shitty shows
because people want it. Seems like people want us to
watch some shitty shows. Apparently Lazarus is one of
them. Let's do it.
Let's do it, guys. Brother, we're watching.
I am people, witches. Hey, I'm curious, I've heard,

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I've heard people like it a lot.I'm curious.
I'm very excited to watch Mabachi Witches and whether I
should be or not. We'll find out in two weeks when
we come back for a watch club. But that wraps us up.
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I'm going to give myself a selfish plug.

(01:10:38):
On September 6th, I will be presenting at Lockdown Con.
It is a online anime convention,7:30 central.
On Saturday, I'm going to be going over all the details of
how Uma Musa May translates reallife horses into the anime end
of the game. You don't have to see the show
to know about this panel. It's going to be really fun.

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I really hope people enjoy it. So if you got nothing to do
September 6, come check out Lockdown Con next week.
Even though Monoke Lost and Watch Club, we're going to
review it anyway. So we'll be reviewing the second
Monoke movie next Monday. Otherwise, if you're here for
Watch Club, we will see you in two weeks for Maebachi, which is
thanks. So we'll see you next time.