Lazarus Review | Anime Watch Club - What Do You Say Anime!?

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Either we haven't seen our show,so hopefully to a great
discussion. Today's episode, it's going to
be spicy. So no individual intros for this
one, but the gang is all here. But we are going to be talking
about one of the most anticipated and one of the most
divisive animes of 2025 and thatshouldn't share a Watanabe's
original Lazarus. Pat, why don't you tell the
people a little bit about Lazarus before we jump into our

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conversation? Absolutely.
So yeah, this Emmy nominated, Emmy nominated show for the for
the show was produced and made by Studio Moppa and premiered in
spring of 2025. SA relatively recent show.
Also adults swim had a lot to dowith it.

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There's a definitely a connection there.
Don't know if they paid for it or just bought the rights and
then claimed it. I, I don't know the full details
behind that, but I'm sure there's some story involved in
there, genres of action and suspense.
I'd say heisty slash, a little bit of mystery as well, and
rated R. So no kids allowed.

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But yeah, let's get right away, right off with our first
impressions and whether we'd recommend the show or not.
Miles, why don't you start us off?
Sure, going into Lazarus I had heard bad things about it.
People generally don't like the show though.
They said there there was good parkour and that that was
certainly right. The first 4 episodes of the show

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I think are mostly fine. It is nothing to write home
about, but I I really hadn't made-up my mind one way or the
other. There were some issues I had but
also there were some good moments and I think that it's
just sort of an open book by thetime 4 episodes roll around.
Spoiler alert though, I mostly didn't like the show.
I just sort of think it doesn't do anything.

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It's sort of like empty caloriesor something like that is how I
would describe it. What I recommend it not not
particularly to to anyone. I think that there's things that
do what it's doing better and there's like a good number of
them. And you can, you can go and
watch all of that. I I think even if you're like a
big WADA nabe guy, that this isn't something you would.

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I mean, you maybe just watch it to be completionist, but it's
not needed honestly. So I would say no.
All righty Cat, what about you? Yeah, so first impressions of
the show were that it looks really good.

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And it falls into the same, the same issue that I have with like
the same stumbling blocks that Ihave with some, with some anime
like this, where the starting ofthe start of the storytelling
feels like there's a lot of like, feels like a teenager is

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making their first OC in a, in a, in a story like dude serving
888 years or so on and so on andso forth.
That's not a spoiler. That's just that just is.
And it that's where I'm just kind of.
So I was kind of feeling like itwas going to be one of those
shows that that I was going to have to spend my disbelief and I

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was very much right. And I, I don't hate it, I don't
like it, it is mediocre, it's all hell.
So with that being said, I don'tthink I'd recommend it because a
lot of times when I'm recommending a show to somebody,

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I want them to, I want them to enjoy the the show more.
Either more than I did or as much as I did.
This show feels like it's not enough action for like some of
my shonen bro friends to really enjoy and it feels like it's not
enough. It's not enough story for my

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story based friends to enjoy. So I would say no I wouldn't.
I wouldn't recommend it. All righty, Jolene, how about
you? OK, so I think that I would
recommend this show to like a very specific subset of person
who sort of has a nostalgia for Tsunami, Adult Swim, anime

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block, that sort of thing. Because just watching the show,
you get the feeling that like it, it feels like somebody's
Cowboy Bebop or Mirror's Edge fan fiction, which is weird
because it's the same guy basically.
You know, there's been other shows I've watched on Adult
Swimmer Toonami, like Utrecas 7,where that feels like Evangelion

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fiction and fiction. And it makes sense because like
it's a different person that wasjust obviously inspired for it
from it. It's so weird that it's Watson
Abe. And this just feels like it's
such a retreading of his other works, namely a mixture of of
Cowboy Bebop and Terror and Resonance, which Terror and
Resonance before, if you guys haven't seen that was also known

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as his worst work before this. But spoiler alert, I think
Lazarus kind of takes the cake on that this time, even though I
maybe not as low on it as other people.
The first thing that really stood out to me as something I
enjoyed in this was the soundtrack.
I think Commissai Washington, I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing
that necessarily correctly, and Bonobo do a fantastic job on the

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soundtrack. The OP is phenomenal.
Just like the kind of like stuffgoing on inside of the show as
well. Like the the soundtrack always
matches whatever's going on on screen and enhances it in a way
that I think is really needed inthis show because a lot of the
time what they're doing is not actually going to lead to
anything or advance the plot in any meaningful way apart from

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looking like a cool set piece. Even in the first 3 episodes.
I think that everything in this show can kind of be boiled down
to they had the idea of oh we should have Axel dodge a rocket
launcher here or something like that, and then they found a way
to work that into the plot without actually considering if
it worked. I think that everything that
they do in this show is in service, a rule of cool and sort

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of these like set pieces. It feels almost like a it feels
like a Call of Duty game or likea TNT action show.
And I think I saw a comment on Reddit actually that was like
this feels like Watson Abe felt went to America and fell asleep
in a hotel room with TNT playingon in the background and he
dreamt the most perfect kind of thriller action movie of all

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time but forgot all the details.And that is exactly how I feel
about this. But Despite that, I was so take
a minute because I think if you kind of just don't think about
it too hard, there's still a lotof fun.
And this is just map of flexing how good their fucking animators
are a lot of the time. So it is still enjoyable from
like a technical perspective, but plot wise the the plot holes

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start showing pretty early and Ithink that they only widen as it
goes on. Fair enough.
All right. And Pete, how about you?
Now I was trying to think of a way how I can compare this to
like other shows that I've watched.
And the best thing that I can think of is when people say like
when you watch slice of life, like nothing happens.
But yet I love the shit out of slice of life stories.

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That's kind of how I felt what Lazarus is.
It's like the shown inversion ofa slice of life where things are
happening but nothing really happened.
Because for the first 3 episodes, I was blown away by
the production value. I don't think anybody can say
that this this story, this show had bad production because the
choreography, the direction, themusic was outstanding.

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It it there's a reason why it was nominated for an Emmy, but
there's also a reason why it wasn't nominated for anything
else. And I don't think it's going to
be dominated for anything else going forward.
It miss a giant part of a fundamental part of a story,
which is the story itself for the first 3 episodes.
And this is a story that I dropped midway when it was
releasing. I was hoping that I can maybe

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pick up on something that I missed the first time I watched
it and I realized I didn't and dropping it the first time was
the correct play. So I would not recommend this to
anybody. I did not like it one bit and it
it, I don't even know who I would recommend this to, to be
honest. I guess if you like like I, I
think Jolene mentioned like Mirror's Edge.
If you like people who stream Mirror's Edge, you might like

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this show. I don't know what else because.
Do you like watching a mirror's edge speed?
Row, yeah, exactly like ice cream.
It's like I just like, there's so many elements to this there
where I was just like, I can't recommend it to so many
different people because there'sso many components of it
missing. So yeah, hard not recommend for
me. All right, tough to follow all

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of that, but yeah, so I, I love Lazarus.
I can't lie. I, I got in, came in expecting
for something. I kept watching, knowing what
everyone has been saying about the show and all the flaws or or
whatever else. I, I, I avoided spoilers for the
most part and I just kept watching and really had fun.
And that's to be very clear thatthat is not saying that the show

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is perfect or without its weaknesses or problems.
I there, there are plenty of them, but a lot of the
complaints that not only my my Co host have have mentioned, but
that I've seen online. I, I can't really relate to
myself. I, I had an absolute blast with
this show. I think it was really fun.

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And I, I guess, like if you're expecting Casablanca or, or
something really plot, not, not,and I say plot driven, but just
like something that is so I guess perfectly thought out.
But I again, I, I, I think Lazarus made sense.

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I, I maybe that's like the hottest take, but like I didn't
find it to drag. I didn't find it to have no plot
or, or completely missing of a devoid of a story.
I found it to be quite the opposite.
I, I really enjoyed how it went.So I think I think people over

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hated the show. And I think a big part of that
is how much they expected comingfrom this director, coming from
seeing that the character and the OP and and the futuristic
setting made it all seem like, oh, it's going to be Cowboy
Bebop. It's going to be Bebop.
And and I think that that comparison makes the show look a
lot worse because it is a lot worse than Cowboy Bebop.

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But I, I, you know that that's a, that's a hard show to compare
to by most people's opinions. So yeah, I'm, I'm looking
forward to talking about this show, but I would absolutely
recommend this show. Like others have said, from the
production side alone. It's it's beautiful.
I thought the voice acting was really good too.

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I and like, I watched it subbed to be clear to, I don't know if
everyone else did sub or dub. I thought the sub was hilarious
because there's a lot of momentswhere they're speaking other
languages and to me it seemed very like tongue in cheek making
fun of like other action movies or other movies of that style
that where it was a little monotone or, you know, thug one

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says thug things or whatever. Like it felt very aware in the
moment to me at least. So yeah, I would recommend this
to most people. I'm I'm.
I don't know if I've ever been so surprised when I finished the
show that there weren't at leastsome people that were like,
yeah, that was fun. Everyone just was on the This

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stinks train and I and I expected to be there too myself,
but I just, I couldn't get there.
I I really had a lot of fun withthe show.
So yeah. Miles, do you want to do a quick
plot synopsis before we get started and then about?
Your personal bias Miles, please.
Yeah, I, I look, I just read, I just read Mao.
That's here's a, here's a spoiler alert.

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I I summarized the Mao paragraph.
It's a good way to do it. It is my emergent has been
ruined. So in the year 2048, Doctor
Skinner, a scientific genius dubbed second only to Einstein,
developed. Sorry.
Wow, I see. I laugh.
Without your personal bias files.

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Objectively, though, that's a funny sentence, because do
scientists really believe that Einstein is the most brilliant
scientific mind? I don't think they do that.
I mean, he's. For sure up there, right.
But I don't know. He's a chemist.
Why didn't they pick a chemist? It doesn't matter.
Types of audience it's a good. Question, this isn't the shows
fault. This is just, that's fair,
right? Obviously just in the show, but

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yeah, yes. Developed.
There is a thing in this that isn't the shows fault though.
It developed the revolutionary painkiller Hopna.
Being cheap with no reported side effects, the drug gained
widespread acceptance, even though Skinner himself silently
vanished. One year after launching the
drug. Everyone revelled in the heaven
of relief and ecstasy provided by Hobna, but they would

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suddenly come crashing down. It is now 2052, which is 4 years
later and Skinner reappears giving the shocking announcement
that Hobna was designed. Oh, they fixed it.
Oh, I'm so proud of them when wedid this for the the preview,
they a lot of sorry, and this isjust in here, but like a lot of
the way that they like describe this made no sense.

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And I was expecting that in the show.
And it it made more sense in theshow.
And so it was like I was actually relieved a little bit
when we first got through that shit.
ANYWAYS, was designed into A to mutate into a lethal toxin,
killing anyone who had consumed it.
While he claims to have a cure, he will only hand it over if he
is physically found within 30 days.

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And then we have a group led by Axel, who was sentenced to 888
years in prison. They're a group called Lazarus.
We see the him get recruited to that.
It's a group of misfits and theytry to find Skinner.
And it's sort of like a Suicide Squad situation where for
multiple reasons, I guess, if they decide not to do this, they

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will be killed. But also if they don't do this,
everyone dies. So I don't know how good the
Suicide Squad thing was, but what do you do anyways that?
It was a vibe though. It was the vibe, right?
Like they were held against their will to do it.
That's a good description I think.
I guess their will initially I should say right it.
Depends person to person right? Like some of them wanted to be

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there and some of the. NSA so heavily.
But shout out to the Mao people for fixing what was terrible in
the synopsis and making it better and more.
Accurate. Shout them out six months later
at least. Who knows when they fixed it but
yeah I love it when they they finally go back and fix their AI
writing work and turn it into translation work at.

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BT is second. Yeah, it was like, Oh no, Hapna
has a short half life of three years, which is an absurdly long
half life for a drug like borderline impossible.
It's the wrong way to phrase it,and they don't say that in the
show. Yeah, they don't meant say it.
The show would have been cooler if you.
Yeah, no, I've no. Idea Miles, this show would have
been cooler if you were like a gym teacher or something.

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I'm just saying. It's it's true, you're a
barista. This show might have gone hard,
huh? I, I I.
It's only two I know. I will say I was expecting all
of the science to be complete garbage in this, but like only

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half of the science was completegarbage in this, which honestly
makes a big deal because when you have like a sci-fi thing,
you you have to suspend your disability for like some amount
of it, right? Because it's like technology.
He's so smart. He invented a thing that can
exist. Whatever.
Like I can allow that. So especially since, you know,
it's in the future, right? And like, look at how much
medical science has evolved in the last 20 years for us, let

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alone 30 years in the future from now, right?
Yeah. So like I don't, I don't have a
problem with the general premiseof this.
Like I thought I was going to based off of how the synopsis
was initially written, but I was, I was surprised pleasantly
with the show that they did sortof cover that that sort of base.

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Anyways. We do have some talking points
though. OK, so the first talking point
we're gonna do is just the storygenerally.
It's sort of interesting becausethere is a central story, but
then we also have these episodicepisodes.
So let's start on positive Pat. You can tell us what drew you
into the story, what you liked about it, and then the rest of
us can give some stuff about maybe what took us out and also
maybe what brought us in if there were, you know, things

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that hit for us. So.
Yeah, absolutely. So right off the bat, I almost
wasn't that high on the show thefirst episode just because I I
almost had my suspension disbelief as we were talking
about a little bit with the medicine about how ridiculous
this guy's parkour running was in the first episode.
It was, it was so, but, but at the same time, I, I guess it

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probably helped me in the long run, but but at the my first
initial reaction was I did not love the stuff he was doing.
It was like, this isn't human. Like even if you have like a
painkiller, drug or whatever running through your system,
this, this is so ridiculous. It's so over the top.
But I guess that that just set my brain to, Oh, he's James Bond
or oh, it's, it's an action movie setting.

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He's he's running around like that.
So I, I think the cast did interest me right off the bat.
I think that speaking specifically about Axel in that
moment, but all the cast had like their quirks or their
things about them that they introduced in those first few
episodes that I really liked. I thought the setting was really
cool. Some of the biblical and
historical or mythological references were very cool as

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well. Drew me and made me wonder what
they were going to do. Obviously with Lazarus being the
name of a man who was resurrected by Jesus there.
So I knew that that was going tocome in at some point.
It's, you know, the good old NewTestament stuff, Babylonia, the
first civilization, your recorded human civilization.
That was I, I was curious what that tie in was going to be.

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And we eventually got there as well by the end of the story.
So I, I don't know, I don't knowthe hypercube train that was
sick. So I don't know.
I thought the world building wasreally good.
I think that that is something that drew me in.
That's, you know, that aspect, like that aspect drew me in.
I thought it was a very interesting take on what the
future of the world would look like with 30 years of technology

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improvement, which I thought especially comparing it to
another show that I think has insanely good world building by
the same director and Cowboy Bebop.
His vision of what was it, I guess 2070 from the 90s versus
2050 now from the 2000 twenties,I think was a really cool thing

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to see. Like what technology like, oh,
smartphones are a thing now rather than just like radios
that work, you know, like that was their vision back then.
Beforehand, I thought it was really cool to see all the
technology that they came up with.
And you know, I guess that that's where I would start with
it. I was completely intrigued by
the world building. Air on Tuesday is also 10 years

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before Cowboy Bebop, so it's in between these two.
That's cool. That's cool.
Yeah. And I know it's technically the
same universe or whatever. I I don't.
I don't pay attention to that though, unless there's a direct
reference I suppose. Walt and I may just be saying
shit. Yeah, like that's like.
All right, let's you know, cuz like, oh, wouldn't that have
been covered in Carol on Tuesday, like.

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Wouldn't have anyone mentioned this whole event?
Yeah. In Cowboy Bebop, leave me a lot,
leave me a lot, they go to Earth.
On They Go to Earth in Cowboy Bebop and it never gets
mentioned. Like I yeah, I get it.
This came after that. Yep.
Yeah, it came. And wasn't the Earth accident
like 2020 something as well? So it would have happened like

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20 years this show happened. So yeah, again, we're we're
going off track. But I think it's funny.
It is a funny thing though that like this director had said so
much stuff that's just not they,they just yap, you know.
So but this is yeah, that's, that's so that's my take on it.
At least that's what drew me in right away because again, the
the parkour was cool, but it wasalso like, whoa, I don't know if

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I like this. But then it kept going and kept
the same tone throughout, which is what really held me in.
And Pete, let's hear, let's hearthe opposite side of that coin.
Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, it's funny that Pat
brought world building because Ididn't see any in this show like
anywhere ever type of thing. I know if I was AI don't know,
run of the milk Starbucks employee, if the world was

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ending, I know I would be going to work like everybody else
having a peaceful day. I guess to me, like the biggest
thing that detracted from the show to begin with was the lack
of world building. The fact that the everybody
essentially in the world knows that their time is coming to an
expiration and society just seems like it's moving at a
steady pace. Like the concern of the public

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is like not even recognized until something like episode 9
where we see like an active shooter situation where somebody
like finally snaps. And to me, like that was like a
huge detriment to like what we're trying to describe this
world as because it's a world that doesn't have fear.
It's not it's, it's a fear or it's a world that has logic and

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it's a world that has thinking and it's a world that has all
these things outside of losing the concept of fear.
And it's just nothing is happening in this world.
Like it's just like a day-to-daysituation.
And so I thought right away how they built up the world was bad.
But like the thing that drew me away the biggest from the first
time that I watched this was howmany like character driven

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episodes that there were for me to not give a single shit about
any of these characters. Like the chemistry of the team
itself is negative. Like, like we have minimal back
story of almost every single character and no explanation to
why we should be cheering for them outside of them maybe
saving the world. But if you look at something

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like Liquorice Recoil, which haslike a similar scenario with
like the hacker team and all these other stuff, they do
things to make us so we care about the characters and have
fun with the characters. With this.
It's just like Axel is a what dowe know about Axel?
He's a felon, he does parkour and he's here against his will.
But like we don't have like any inner monologuing of Axel of who

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he is as a person. And we don't have that with any
of the characters of the story. So to me, these all just feel
like insert NPCS that are there to play a role in the story.
And so when you have something with like for me, I've only seen
a handful of Watanabe, but like Carolyn Tuesday, when we have a
larger cast, they show us ways for us to care about the

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characters in the story, even when it is a larger cast.
And this it's they're giving time for the characters, but
never a reason to why we should care about them.
And so to me, when I have these,you know, episode 6, for
example, with Elena, where the outcome of her like situation
doesn't really affect anything at a whole.

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We don't know why she escaped from her her compound.
We don't know how she became a hacker.
All we know is she came from a society that had no technology
and now is the world biggest hacker.
I would really like to know how she got to that point and that's
never explored in the show. So just sort of like a lack of,

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I guess, interest in these characters really killed the
story for me. Yeah, I think, I think that
makes sense. We'll probably touch upon those
episodes, the little deep dive episodes later, and we can get
into details there about if or why we cared about those.
But Kat, you had some stuff to say.
Yeah. So for me, one of the things
that that actually drew me into the story, because I want to

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start with positives, is that I actually enjoyed some of the
some of the honestly, I'm not even going to try and sugarcoat
it. The, the main thing that drew me
into this story at the beginningwas when Doug said there's going
to be no black Einstein. And he was like, so I punched

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that dude in the face and I was like, hell yeah, brother.
Honestly, I was like, all right,I'm in it for the long haul.
I want to see the black dude do black things.
Lo and behold, one of the thingsthat brought me out of the story
was he did not do black things for most of the story.
So that that's that's a minor one.

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One of the main things that drewme out of the story, and this is
this is odd because I did like some of the action when I could
suspend my my disbelief. I really didn't like how
invincible Axel was like the himlike during the during episode

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10 and 11 when he was like jumping around doing a bunch of
parkour but he was doing parkourand actively like just jumping
from heights. Because that specifically a
different example. I think it was like episode 5 or
episode 8, somewhere around there he jumps from 1 from 1
ledge to the next and I I remember slowing the showdown

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and he dropped four stories and grabbed onto a ledge that would
break his hands. Did we see the last episode?
Yeah, I watched. Him get stabbed in the gut and
be able to run around and do parkour 2 episodes later.
Yeah, it was. Yeah, really it was.
It was a really ridiculous. Thing I fucking loved the

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Kingdom Hearts fight. Like that was some shit you'd be
you'd be mashing triangle in Kingdom Hearts 2 to do the
fucking shit he was doing in that Scott falling skyscraper.
It was absolutely ridiculous. But at that point, I'd already
given up on like, oh, these. His name's Even Axle.
Like these characters are invincible, you know?

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Like that's how I felt about it at least.
That's the other thing. In episode.
In episode 11, we see that Doug gets hit by a truck, he gets hit
in the back of the head, he getshit by a truck, and then he's
down. So we have this one dude who can
literally take getting stabbed through the fucking spinal

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column and another dude who can't get hit by a truck.
Are you fucking kidding? Brazilians are built different.
Brazilians are built different. But Cat, Cat, he's wearing the
necklace that keeps them protected.
They show that in the story. The necklace.
That's the Hondan Wing. I'll now believe you.
The the animal that or the the the mythical beast that does get

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stabbed multiple times and then continue on even full of holes.
Yes, that's a very good. Slater, though.
Well, so we'll see in Season 2 if that happens.
We're going to have seven seasons of leisure, yeah.
I know Cat, I agree. Counterpoint, he somehow did all
that post going to like some super fancy rich doctor versus

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being in a hospital in Pakistan would be my only counter.
But I do think it was. If he used the tunnel effect, it
was fine. No, no, I agree that the
invincibility of the characters.No, no, it's it's extremely
ridiculous. But again, it's, I don't know,
James Bond gets shot in the neckand falls into a waterfall.
And that's the start of like oneof the best movies of the the

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James Bond series. You know, like he he, the fact
that he survives anything is is it it's like it's just an action
thing that you and again, I I'm not blaming you if you can't
suspend your disbelief for that either.
And that's why you didn't like it.
I just think that that's what this was either.
That's the way I I took it and Ijust rode with it.
Going, going, because that wasn't my only thing that that

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made me like get out of it. Some of the things that
happened, like specifically, honestly, one of the things that
actually drew me in, and I mean,I'm going to use this as a
juxtaposition. One of the things that actually
drew me in was when we were seeing some of like some of the
when we went to the to the nightclub where where there were

(28:53):
dudes that were just being awfulto women because, you know, of
course they are like that threw me in.
Not in like a oh, that drews me in because I want to see this it
draw me. It drew me in because it was
like there's some tension here. There's something here.
There's going to be something that like there is actual stakes
in the situation because it doesn't feel like there's stakes

(29:16):
outside of it. So I was like, OK, let's see
what happens. And of course it ends.
Like yes, it is interesting, butthat versus the stakes outside
of that, like we have all these people like just the the only
stake. And I get that this is the same

(29:37):
thing that Drew peed out. But like one of the one of the
things that that genuinely drew me out of it was like the only
six that we saw outside of the active shooter situation was the
Dow Jones crash. That was it.
Like that was the only other like consequence of this until
we saw the president just be like I have.
Started and we don't even see the repercussions of these

(29:58):
actions it's just like the stocks are down and then that's
it yeah like the world seems perfectly fine I.
Feel like when the intro to HQ or whatever, when the people are
all running around and getting shot and shit, I think I feel
like that low key is meant to besomething like that, but they
just do such a bad job of explaining the context of that

(30:18):
that it doesn't matter, Yeah. Because it could just be a day
in LA. I'm telling you like I've.
Been to I've been to LA before. They need losing their fucking
minds. Yeah, I I but like they do show
the hospitals are getting over overdone.
I like that scene. Like, like they're getting
overwhelmed and it's talked about.
See, you're making money off of it.

(30:40):
Fucking fuck yeah. And my, my thought is I, I, I
agree that it seems like, oh, there would be complete anarchy.
Like, why are these soldiers still showing up to work?
Why are these people, you know, whatever.
But at the same time, the world,like we, we 10 years ago, I
would have been like that since the pandemic, similar to like

(31:00):
with Shiki. I totally buy it.
Like people believes the threat.And don't get me wrong, they
thought it was like in this case, like Hapna was bad and
that there was a real possibility of it happening.
But when half of our country doesn't literally now believes
autism is caused by Tylenol, like that's, you know, it's
tough to it's believable. I think to me that some people

(31:25):
would just keep living life or and and I think that that's also
an examination of humanity and something that the show was
trying to do is. They didn't show people buying
out toilet paper. Yeah, exactly.
Because of hop. No, like we did have things that
like they didn't show the streets that I mean, I guess
it's different when it's not like a contagious thing.
Like they wouldn't have like a quarantine where the streets

(31:46):
will be empty or anything. But like I guess that if the
church, if the cult would have been like a mega church or
something like that instead thathad just popped up rather than a
background thing for a characterwho had that point basically had
no character apart from giving them WS via hacking.
Like that would have been more believable to me.

(32:07):
But like, I just think that theydidn't show like besides like
this, the Dow Jones thing, I don't think it was really shown
like the effects of something like this.
Yeah, I think the best. I think the best world building
that they showed was that everybody had done Hopna and
that is something that I think is so believable because it

(32:27):
actually existed. Instantaneously.
People will be like, it would beso hard to get because it would
just be bought out every single time.
Like look at Olympic or something like that, you know?
It's yeah, it would be hard to make enough part of the issue,
like talking more into this was that like, OK, so we explore
that homeless camp, right? Which is pretty interesting.

(32:49):
But like when we go back there at the end, I, I guess I would
like some like middle stages, right?
So we know the economy is crashing and people are losing
their jobs and there's a bunch of crime and stuff where you're
like told these things. But I feel like that would be a
great place to to show it as well.
You know, where you maybe see that camp growing in size or you
see people who you saw with jobsand stuff in the background of

(33:12):
that camp or whatever as the world slowly goes to hell for
the last several days or whatever.
I guess I would have just like more sort of subtle background
storytelling in it and part of it I, I don't know what really
took me out is that like this group of people is, are just all
sort of like FF tier detectives.That was, that was the hardest

(33:36):
part for me. Like the, the heart medication
thing sort of drives me insane the way that they did that.
There's no reason they couldn't have found that like episode of
instead of being like, oh, what's this thing that, you
know, we need to know anything we can about this man.
Here's some medication he was on.
I forgot about it. Good thing it fell out of my

(33:56):
pocket so that I can say what itis and everyone else can be
like, oh, we should actually just do that.
We should look into this becausethat's what leads them to
finding him eventually. And you know, there's that.
There's the fact that, you know,Doug sees him in the homeless

(34:16):
camp and is like, like, I reallylooks like Skinner.
And then just goes on and it, it's like, I don't know, be
like, hey, are you Skinner? Yes.
Oh, I did it. And then the show was 2 episodes
long. It just, I know I get what they
were trying to do, right? Like I, I just, I, I just think

(34:40):
they did it in a way that makes our, our heroes look kind of
stupid. It, it, it's, it's just a bit
bizarre to me. Another thing too on this thing
is, as you were saying, Pat, like something with like the
shiki or like a real life experience with COVID or
something. I, I would have thought it would
have been interesting to see a faction of people, a group of

(35:00):
people they just didn't think this was going to happen because
there's no proof that it's goingto happen, right?
Everyone just sort of believes it.
And I would have liked to see some sort of like turmoil
between characters that like, thought this was going to
happen, characters who didn't think it was going to happen,

(35:20):
people who took Hapna, people who didn't take Hapna, Like, I
would love to see that because surely everyone didn't take it
like. There was a faction though.
I would argue no. Isn't that the whole point of
Schneider and his character? Like he's trying to cover up?
Why would you bother covering something up like the the Hapna
terrorist situation if the worldis just going to end in 30?

(35:43):
That's a good question that I I would have for him because like
maybe he just assumed it would get sorted out, but he should he
out of all people should know that it is happening because he
he helped develop the, the thingit's based on.
He helped run tests on prisonersin a prison for a pharmaceutical

(36:07):
company. They died with the prototype of
it. Yes, yes.
It was, I guess what I'm saying is like out of all people, he
has maybe the most direct evidence that it, it will in
fact kill you. But he he's going along trying
to cover up the fact that he wasbuilding a biological weapon or.

(36:27):
Whatever, I guess it would just be like, to me, it would be
like, yeah, he is trying to build a biological weapon for
future wars that wouldn't happenif they didn't figure out the
vaccine. So like, I, I guess my my
thought is that like people justwant to like, I wanted to ask
this question to you guys too. But like, what would you do if
you were just a random person inthis world?

(36:49):
Like would you like start looting stores or would you kind
of just, I mean, I probably wouldn't, I don't work right
now, but like I wouldn't show upto work, I guess.
But like at the same time, like,what else would I do?
You know, like, what am I going to like just go out on the
streets and and fuck shit up forlike 30 days straight?
Probably not Like I, I guess that that's where I, I didn't

(37:10):
feel like there was an, A need to show that outside of the
little bit of exposition we get from the news or from the, you
know, you need to. Need to show looting or anything
I just want to see because it would have an effect on society
if all of a sudden the majority of everyone believed we had one
month to to live right and I think some people would go about

(37:32):
their daily lives. I think that is absolutely true,
but I also think that I don't know, I think there's a lot of
interesting sociopolitical stuffthey could have shown or like
just sociological that is like, you know, do what happens to
people who like, if you can confirm somehow that you've
never taken Hapna and you get tolive, like, can you leverage

(37:55):
that somehow? Like, you know what I mean?
It's just sort of like all of this stuff that that could be.
And then another interesting thing would be like the general
slow, like someone definitely just took Hapna one day before
that, right? Like they, they were like, you
know what they. Broke one day before.

(38:15):
Like, I don't get a lot of headaches in my life.
Like I'd be fucked, right? Like I'm taking Advil at least
10 * a month, right? And so if there was better
Advil, I'd be taking that. But you know, there are people
out there that probably go a whole year and don't take any
painkillers, you know, And so, but I guess I would like to have
seen that sort of stuff too. It's, it's hard to fit it all

(38:39):
in. They have 12 episodes, 13
episodes to do all of this. And, and maybe it's just sort of
the scope of this being a littlebit beyond what they they could
do and they had to pick and choose.
And it just didn't work for me because of that.
But I don't know it, it was sortof like the lack of that
information and then getting back to it, like the amount of
contrivances that like, I never got the feeling that this group

(39:00):
was really good at anything except for I knew Elena was good
at hacking and Axel's good at parkour, but that ended up never
really mattering. I thought they would like have
to chase Skinner or something, but he ended up fighting someone
completely unrelated to the entire thing.
So, you know, I don't know that that was just sort of it for me.
Like it there's the where Chris gets kidnapped and they're like,

(39:27):
look, I know there's five days left before everyone dies, but
she's our partner and we're gonna go save her.
If I knew that these people who are supposed to like save me
were doing this, I'd I'd be upset.
She does get. Upset at them.
For trying. To save her.
Yes, I agree they would have never found them had they not

(39:50):
because she would have never gotten to drop the pill she
should have told them about in episode 2 out of her pocket.
So wow. Immediately, by the way.
Yeah, honestly, I was. Going to ask you guys, by the
way, if you would do Hopna, but it's a moot question because a
fucking course you. Would of course.
You'd be stupid not to. There's no downsides allegedly

(40:14):
and it just stops pain, OK? I literally like how they
describe weed and walk hard the Dewey Cox story.
You want none of this shit man. You don't want none of this,
Axel. I have brand loyalty to
something that isn't happening anyway.
Miles, one of the things that that you were talking about,

(40:35):
honestly, one of the things theythey could have probably done
instead of having like in the first, I think it was like 6
episodes because I watched the dub where they had like
different the each character like giving like a monologue
instead of doing that take like 5 to 10 seconds in the beginning
or 20 seconds in the beginning. Well, however long that
monologue was, and make it a montage of what's going on in

(40:57):
the world, how are things changing?
How are things looking? And that wouldn't take a lot of
stuff. Like it would just be a
PowerPoint of, hey, this is all the stuff that's happening.
They wouldn't have to say a thing.
And then they would start with an intro and then move on.
That would be great. You can even do the monologue
over it honestly. Exactly.
Can I give you a counterpoint though that like those

(41:18):
monologues were really importantto showing like the way that the
characters? Like the monologues?
A lot, actually. That's why I they suggested they
stay. In no, I know, I'm just saying
like I think I disagreed heavily.
I don't know, probably 20 minutes ago at this point when
like I thought the characters, we had plenty of depth to to
look into them and like we didn't get too many specifics on

(41:40):
their backstories. Yes, but like, I think it was
more there were hints to it or things that were done throughout
those middle episodes as well toshow us who their character was
before team Lazarus and what their character was becoming
after being part of Lazarus. You know, a rebirth almost, you
know, by the end of the show, a Lazarus of, of some kind, you
know, so that that's the way I looked at it.

(42:04):
And I think that a, those monologues were a way for them
to show that in the at the beginning of the show.
I thought I I really enjoyed themonologues as well too, being my
my broader point in that moment.But yeah, I guess go ahead,
Miles, Sorry. Didn't the only thing that, and
this isn't necessarily I think this is more less on monologues
are more on the overall direction of the show.
But what was y'all's impression about the effect of of Hapna on

(42:28):
people? Because I got sort of mixed
messages between it's this miracle drug that that just like
works very well and then like also, but like, why weren't kids
allowed to use, you know what I mean?
It's like. I think nobody really seemed to
like. Like you don't really see how it
affects like it just felt like everybody was normal more or

(42:54):
less and it didn't really changehow they viewed shit or or
anything like apart the Islanders that they introduced
were the basis for the drug. Like they at least have the guy
getting like cut by the fish andpopcorn wizard.
My wife kicking her thing on theon the car and being like, see,
I don't feel shit. Like, I guess it kind of

(43:16):
explains why, you know, the Lazarus unit are able to like
get impaled by a harpoon or hit by a car or, you know, tortured
or whatever and or, you know, like almost burned to death,
that sort of thing. And they don't really complain
all that much and are able to like, keep going.
But like has not, you have to take it more than once.

(43:39):
I assume so, yeah, but they havethe special immunity.
They have the gene where they pretty much, I assume the gene
thing was then basically saying that they have it at all times.
And before we move on to that silly plot point, I, I, I saw
Miles's heart rate go up there like through the screen.
Yeah. The I, I just wanted to

(44:03):
highlight. I think that it's part of the
the overarching plot or point that Skinner was trying to make
about how I literally gave the world this miracle drug that
removes pain. And we still don't give a shit
about the fact that the that where the world is about to end
and we're not doing things. We're not using it for good.
We're using it for, well, I mean, I guess somewhat good, but

(44:26):
like for partying for and potentially then of course, from
the military's perspective for chemical warfare or biowarfare,
however you'd want to phrase it in this case like that.
That was, I think that that was kind of the point of them not
showing I but also like I, I, I'm kind of glad that it was
focused more on the main cast and then the, the, the tertiary

(44:47):
characters that would be impacted during those episodes.
Like you said, Jolene with like the, the fisherman or other, you
know, the, the other hackers being involved like that.
I thought that that was more where I wanted the character
focus rather than on, you know, just seeing like some random kid
fall over in the background and then get up and act like nothing
happened. You know, I know that's like a

(45:09):
dumb example, I guess, but that's like what I would think
of as like visual storytelling happening around the Hapna.
Yeah, I wonder if this is like agenuine effect because like I, I
always viewed it as like, OK, soI wake up with a migraine and I
take some Excedrin, right? Which is just like 3 painkillers
mixed together and then but but like it seems like some of you

(45:33):
Pat specifically, maybe other people like view it as more of
like a preventative thing. Like people were waking up and
being like time to not feel paintoday and then like taking the
Hapner. And so I guess I just wish a
little bit we had seen people how it was used more concretely.
You saw the guy in the second episode.
It's like an SSRI too, right? Because it makes you it's also

(45:56):
like an antidepressant. We.
Thought yeah, yeah, it's it, it we saw.
It in the second a lot of peopleprobably would.
Sorry to interrupt, Pat. I'm sorry.
No, it's OK. We.
Would take it daily, right? Yeah, like, we saw the guy in
the second episode literally abusing it, right?
Like still taking it. We see in the first few episodes
too, we see that people are still popping it because they're
trying to, I guess, deal with the pain of knowing they're

(46:18):
going to die in 30 days. And then in the third episode,
Right, exactly. And then which is again, I guess
like the helplessness feeling. That was something else I meant
to mention when I was talking about like why I think people
just kept going on because like,what am I literally what am I
myself going to do in that situation to help in this
scenario? There's nothing I can do.
I might as well just I guess live my life.

(46:39):
But but circling back to then, it is the third episode where
the 3rd or 4th episode where they go to the club.
Either way, the that I feel likethat episode shows people using
it recreationally as well, like how it was used recreationally
at the club and as a, you know, part of it.
That's. Yeah, well, I'm going to let Cat
get in. I guess I meant more what it

(47:01):
what it does specifically, I don't know.
It's vague. It's a little vague exactly how
it works, which is maybe intentional, but I wish it
wasn't. Cat, you had some points here.
Yeah, so the thing about the thing about this is it and it
reminds me of I'm Miles. I'm I'm pretty sure that you
know about this because you probably learned about it when

(47:22):
you were when you were in university.
But like the radium, I forget what his name was, but like the
snake salesman who was selling radium as like a miracle drug.
And like the radium drugs that we're putting it on there like
that were painting it on the nails and like putting it on
like watch faces and stuff like that.
Like how it it like kind of helpthem, but it made them feel a

(47:48):
lot better until it literally started eating their bones,
like, or like eating into their bone marrow like that.
That kind of reminded me of thisalmost immediately.
Or was like, OK, well, yeah. I mean, the dude who literally
lost his jaw that because he wastaking radium every day or

(48:10):
ratathor the the medicine that was being that had radium in it,
he was taking radium every single day and then he lost his
jaw and died. I think it was a year later so.
It'll be pretty quick if you're taking radium every day.
I, I just, I don't remember how how how quickly it was, but him

(48:33):
and the, the dude that was running that was running the
snake oil company ended up dyingand being buried in lead caskets
because of it. Because radiums is radioactive
anyway. William Bailey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Died of bladder cancer, oddly
enough. I wonder how that happened.

(48:58):
Apparently, according to this, they exhumed him and he was
ravaged by radiation. I wonder.
Thought man. Yeah.
Why? I don't know when.
When were the Radium girls? There's this 2000 twenties.
I've seen that movie. It's a great film. 1920s.
Would you say it's better than Lazarus?

(49:18):
Yes. Yes.
Yeah, I didn't know. Is there like a documentary on
it? Or yeah, they're like.
Yeah, they're like they deal with like paint.
Yes, they painted on the wallpaper, Yeah.
And then? Because at night it would glow,
it would glow green on them so that so that soldiers would be
able to check the time at night.Yeah, they used it for like, as

(49:41):
you were saying, like nail Polish and other body paint
things and stuff. So.
Pretty much all of them died andthe people that were running the
factory knew the risks of radium.
They ended up some of them endedup getting like getting cancer
as well, but not as quickly and not as devastatingly as the
Radium girls. People do a bad job with

(50:03):
radioactive stuff. Oh yeah.
Just historically nuclear. Nuclear I I say it like that.
By the way, probably anyways notYeah, no, it's George, George
Bush, but. It's like a it's pronounced
nuclear. Only once.

(50:24):
Shame on. Shame on you.
For me, once. Can't be.
Can't. Get.
Nope. Okay, good luck.
Miles, I said we'd come back to your point that you were going
to make when you're when your heart rate picked up.
So would you like to move on to there?

(50:44):
I'd suppose because I think. I guess I would like to talk
about this because at the end welearned that all of these people
were there during what is calledthe airport incident, which is
when Skinner was trying to smuggle out a biological weapon
so that he could like whistleblow about it.
And then the US military shoots up his backpack that has the
biological weapon in it. And like a bunch of people die.

(51:06):
And we learned that their genes mutate what whatever these five
people were like immune to it. And there's like there's a few
issues here. One, we explicitly learned that
Axel, like previously, Axel doesn't is not affected by the
drug, right? He it didn't work on him and his
clinical trials. He didn't die like everyone

(51:27):
else. So, you know, good foreshadowing
there. Unfortunately, we know the drug
works on at least Elena and other people.
So like, why, why that? And then also how did Skinner
live is a question I have, because we know he's not immune
because that's what kills him. But he was in hospital gas sarin

(51:48):
land and sort of lives out of the whole thing is a little
hokey. They also, again, they try tying
it to Lazarus being raised from the dead, but they they never
died. They were just in a situation
that would kill people, but theydidn't die.
Is that not metaphor? Like that's a metaphor for.

(52:10):
I don't know, like I don't I don't get Poison Ivy when I I
don't either. That's.
Two out of five in the podcast. It's a lot of Lazarus.
I guess my counterpoint to or like, like I, I get what you're
saying about Skinner surviving. I think it was ridiculous.
He didn't get shot more than anything.
But him surviving the the chemical thing is because he
gets a new heart. That's the whole point of the

(52:30):
whole new heart part. He gets a new heart and and
that's what the that that's why he survives.
Elena survives because the wholepoint is that the fever was a
red herring or like they realized afterwards like, oh, we
are immune to the drug. We didn't realize it because she
didn't know what the time. So she thought she was actually.
And you know how your brain can,I guess the way I interpreted it

(52:50):
as well was like the brain perseverates and makes you know,
if you think that you're going to get sick, you often do get
sick or whatever. What's that called?
But I forget what the phenomenonis called, but there's a medical
term for it. But yeah, like, I guess that
that's the way I interpreted it with her being sick and then
just getting magically better. I so that's where I, I thought
the, my biggest problem with theairport incident is the idea

(53:13):
that something like that could be covered up.
I think that is such a that is the biggest crap shoot,
especially in modern. Yeah, I guess it's semi modern
because it happened in 2020, 2025 or something like that in
this timeline 3. Years before.
So it happened the same year Hobna was really, which is a

(53:34):
whole other issue, but that's neither here nor there.
But it happened three years ago,yes.
I don't. No, I promise you.
Yes, I know it doesn't make sense.
Yeah. It was actually four years, but
yeah. OK.

(53:56):
Are we sure? Yeah, it's 20. 48 Yep.
And now Axel's just a 23 year old guy.
Yep. Yeah, there's some issues around
the airport and like even the fact that this is what caused
Skinner to snap and make the evil drug, but the drug came out
later that calendar year for thegeneral public is like,

(54:19):
literally impossible. Well.
I I interpreted as that that wasthe prototype as well.
Like what happens the prototype is what gets blown up and what
he. Was.
Blow about so then he goes on tothen do the of the drug later.
But the the drug Hapna, the Hapna we all know and love,
right, comes out the same year as the airport incident.

(54:46):
OK, wait, but that doesn't. Make any sense?
OK, but no, that no, that's not messing with my timeline about
when he. So he says that the airpoint
incident made him lose faith in humanity, right?
And so he developed Hapna to like show us to give us all
something to worry about in likean Aussie Mandias from Watchmen

(55:07):
sort of fashion, right? Similar plot.
This one works better, I guess. But like, I don't know, maybe
this is only a plot hole becauseI know how long it takes to make
medications and like get the FDAto approve it and all of that.
But like, if it released that year, they had to have been
working on Hapna for the last decade, like in clinical trials

(55:31):
and stuff. And so I just don't know how he
would have like he couldn't havealtered it at all.
But I don't know that's that. What do we all think about that?
The ending? Let's talk about the ending.
What do we? Because there's a lot of things
to go over in the ending. There's the the demon thing.
There's the actual end. I don't know who who's got

(55:53):
thoughts on the ending. I thought it was.
I think you go ahead. Sorry, I liked the ending in a
way because I felt like you could watch just like the first,
like I, I don't know if I mentioned this earlier, I forget
you can watch like the first 4 episodes of this and then
episode 13 and you're basically good on the plot.

(56:15):
So like seeing episode 13 was fine, but I think that it was
definitely like a huge let down in a lot of way and that it felt
like things despite like the kind of like timer and tension
they tried to put on it, it feltlike everything got resolved
really easily. And with the way that they went
about things, it wasn't really satisfying.
It just made the team feel incompetent that they didn't

(56:37):
know that that was Skinner rightat the beginning in the 1st
place they visited. You were going to say stuff?
Yeah, I thought it was pretty bullshit just in general, the
fact that it felt like everything got wrapped up in
like 90 seconds in that last episode, that the whole it was
right underneath our nose thing,like wasn't clever at all
because like, there really wasn't like, I mean, there was

(56:59):
like clues, but like, I just felt like it was like kind of
just this is how we're going to write it.
We don't know really how we're going to figure this out.
It felt really cheap. Another thing that for me, if
you've if if you have a madman, because let's call it as it is,

(57:25):
if you have a madman that has actively created a drug that
that is going to kill you and hesays come find me because he's
basically just the Riddler. Like, why are you not like
getting everyone on board and saying, Hey, look for this man

(57:46):
everywhere? Like that's a, that's a pretty,
you know, that's, that's a pretty, pretty baseline thing
because nobody wants to die and it sounds like pretty much
everybody's taking this drug so.I thought they did personally
and the whole point of the homeless community, they they

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mention it no way talks about anyone's past.
They don't, you know, they don'tperseverate on that.
They they're just, they know you're just trying to survive
and they build a community around who you are in that
moment rather than who you were in the past.
I guess that's that's the way I.You recognize this MFS Skinner
then, that it goes against just trying to survive because he is

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going to kill humanity? Yeah, if Hitler was at the camp,
I think so. It would be like, yo, that's
Hitler like. Yo, look at his little mustache.
Look, if you even dye his hair, he looks the exact same he's.
Just wearing a beanie and sunglass.
That's literally it's like there's no brotherhood of these
homeless people. Like they don't have a sworn
oath that they're going to all like die by the sword or some

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shit. They would rat in a second
because any logical human being would.
They don't want to die. He's making mustard gas in the
metal barrel, what are you talking?
About. I I guess I.
They don't know him. Why would why did?
It's like it's not a sworn brotherhood.
No, it's but it's the whole theythey talked about it during the

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episode like and and during boththe episode where they.
One person mentioned it. The whole community is not.
The community leader mentioned it.
Yeah, like. You'll think.
You'll think a single person would rat them out.
You think like, everybody in that community is serving by an
oath to whatever the. Forgot her name, but like, Jill.

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Yeah. Like, would you do you honestly?
Would you expect that from like a community of people like that
one person would snitch? I took I took him still looking
somewhat like himself to be a little clue for us to
potentially find more than that's like actually how they
the characters around him him see him because like again, he

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he kept to himself was going blind.
Was, you know, relatively isolated in in.
Their scenario and I don't know,I think people in situations
like that are more like just focused on trying to survive
day-to-day than the bigger picture.
Do you do you know that? I also see.

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What do you think a good way to get out of that situation would
be? You think I don't know, ratting
on the most terroristic person in the world maybe would help
them? Yeah, probably.
Yeah, that, that again, that's but we don't they don't know
that they know. I guess it's my point.
Like I don't know we're we're projecting.
I also I feel like they're before.

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You, Pat. So The thing is like, yes,
they're sworn by they're sworn by an oath to not talk about
their past. In they are not, by the way.
They aren't by the way, they aren't by the way they are not.
The whole point is though, they just they.
I didn't say it to the. Garbage.
I know you did it. I was talking to Kat.
Here's the thing. In that same scene or in that

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same like area, like in that same situation, at the same
time, we see that Axel is playing basketball.
The dude that is trying to swindle him out of his money.
Like that is kind of like, yes, there's this whole thing where
they're trying to like you don'ttalk about anybody's past, but

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you've also got a dude that's trying to steal from someone
else, like steal from somebody else that may not be from the
same like, you know, homeless camp, but he's actively trying
to swindle people out of money. And I'm pretty sure, I don't
doubt that he might have like hemight have tried to steal from

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other people in the camp. Like, I don't, I, I think that's
AI think that's actively showingagainst the like the we don't
talk about other people's past because obviously he's obviously
trying to show off something like he's obviously being shown

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as untrustworthy. So why wouldn't he?
If he knows that it's Skinner, why wouldn't he rat him out?
He was doing it to outsiders, not to the people in the campus
would be my response to that. But like, and that's because
otherwise I don't know. But we aren't showing him doing

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it to people in the camp. We're showing to him in the same
way that like, I don't know, I think.
We chalked up this really bad world building.
Mini personal story, but when I would walk home drunk from
college parties, there was a homeless guy in Harvard Square
who would play chess with you and he'd pretend that he for 10
bucks and you if you win, you get all his money.

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He was really good at chess. So he would pretend to be on the
ropes, whatever, like kind of just taking advantage of drunk
people, but like and then take your money and you know, it was
fun. It was a cool story.
I had a lot of fun, but like I and my, I guess my point being,
I don't think he was doing that to other homeless people.
And I think that there's a lot of or people within that
community because he wouldn't betrusted to then stay in that

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community, which they showed howto bond and a level of taking
care of each other to some, to some extent.
But yeah, I guess let's move on.We have some more positives that
we want to talk about. Yeah.
I want to talk about the production just overall because
with Watanabe, I think we all expect like a certain level of

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of quality coming into this. And to me with Lazarus, this
sort of felt like in terms of writing, this is like Scorsese
going from the Departed to the Irishman.
However, what Nabi still absolutely killed it in the
production side. And so I want to give credit
where credit's due. The direction in the show was
phenomenal. I think how they handled the
parkour scenes and sort of just the movement and just how

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everything flowed was honestly top notch.
If this was somebody's like animation of the year, I would
get it. I don't think it is.
But like it was way above average.
And sort of like there's like a scene in particular where he did
like a first person parkour scene and like landed and like
their role. And I just thought how that

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scene was shot in particular wasfantastic, along with like
Watanabe films or shows, the OSTis always a killer.
This one was really good. I don't think it was as good as
Carolyn Tuesday, which is one ofmy favorite OS TS just in
general. But a lot.
Jolene mentioned that there was a lot of scenes that stuck out
because of the music more than what was actually happening on

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screen. So while I did have my issues
mostly with how the show was written, I will not docket
points in terms of production. So if anybody else had anything
that they want to talk about on that side, go ahead.
Yeah, I, I think of note they got the choreographer from John
Wick to come in and do some stuff.
And I think that shows because like, again, the action scenes

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and stuff are good. I read some Wantsonabe articles
on this and like on the reception of it and stuff and I
just thought they would be interesting to to pass along.
Like one thing he said that he struggled with was how big his
budget was on this because he felt like he could do everything
and it was like hard to cut because they had so many
resources that there wasn't likea constraint that helped him

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focus on what he was doing. Another thing is that he had a
writer who helped him with pretty much everything and she
sadly passed away like pretty early on into the production for
this. Like she helped design Axle and
come up with like a general plotand then had to retire because
of an illness and then passed away.
And he had mentioned that, like the loss of her, who he sort of

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leaned on for like the more intricate writing parts of
things was was pretty bad for the show in general, though.
You know, he he he likes the show and he's he's more than
allowed to. But you know, that just sound
like there were some issues withthe with the whole thing that
sort of the scope might have gotten a little out of engine
and you know, there were some shake UPS there.

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The soundtrack I thought was great.
I thought it looked very pretty,like it did a very good job of
making a grungy world look interesting.
They made hacking scenes fun forme, which is always rare.
I don't like hacking scenes are mine, my hats, psychic powers
where they're just sort of like I'm typing at a computer.
But like the the hand motions and stuff in like the 360 chairs

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made it made it a good time. You know, I don't know.
I, I think, I wish we just had like more time to discuss this
because I think we have to talk about the problems primarily,
but they're, there are fun moments and stuff in this like
that. I, I can see, you know, like
there is joy to be had in here. And I think that the, the more
microscopic you look at it, likethe more, if you watch one or

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two scenes, you're going to enjoy them.
But it's sort of like as the bigger picture unfolds, it's
sort of falls, falls apart. But like each of the individual
components that needed to be tied together, that weren't
necessarily tied together through like story and world
building and all that stuff are very well crafted that, you
know, I don't know, that's my thought there.

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OK, so one of the things that annoyed me production wise was
specifically, and this is this is kind of a nitpick, but it the
thing about because I watched the dub, one of the things about
it is that the the voice actors talked fairly slowly for me in

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the dub and it it kind of made it kind of made my brain hurt
because they were talking so slowly, weirdly enough, and the
music kind of helped alleviate that for me.
So this is a very odd thing thatsometimes happens when I'm
watching dubbed anime, like the like the the, the voice actors

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speak very slowly. It makes my brain hurt.
And then if the music is good, it keeps me going.
This music was amazing, which alleviated the brain hurt.
But when there were like momentswhere the music cut out, it made
my brain hurt more. So yeah, the music was great,

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but I, I genuinely hated how slow some of the some of the
some of the some of us actors talked in throughout the
throughout the show. Yeah, not much more to say.
The music was awesome. I really liked every episode,
song, title. And if you go back and listen to
the songs that the titles are referencing, there's a lot of

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storytelling involved in that aswell.
In my opinion, from my listeningat least, I, I thought that
they, whether they set the tone for the episode or the greater
message or commented on something that had happened in
the show during that episode. I, I thought it was really well
done. Not to mention them, the music
itself in the episodes of the, the song that starts and ends

(01:09:09):
the show. So sick.
So, so sick. I can't, I can't remember the
name of it off the top of my head, but I thought that was,
that was really fun. Not to mention the OP and Ed as
well were like the, the, when I say starts and ends the show, I
mean the, I guess the credit sequences versus the actual OPS
and EDS, which were both bangers, absolute bangers.

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So, yeah, that's, that's all I got on that.
I guess we'll get to closing thoughts then, just because
we're running out of time. All right, yeah, If anything
wasn't touched on, feel free to bring it in here.
But yeah, Miles, what are your closing thoughts and your final
score for Lazarus? Yeah, this is an interesting one
for me because as we've mentioned, there's a lot of like
good technical things, so I sortof really have to come to the

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reckoning of like, how much do Ivalue those, right?
Like out of a 10, I don't know, there, there's some stuff we
didn't get to talk about, like that whole assassin plot that
didn't do it. I don't know, that just sort of
happened for some reason. There was like an MK Ultra plot
that sort of popped out out of nowhere, didn't really touch the
main plot and it's just sort of things like that.

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The NSA plot didn't super mattereither.
I don't, I don't know, it was weird.
I think it got a little busy andconfused at the end.
I think that it spent a lot of time and during, at the
beginning, I we should have explored more things more in
depth. So we didn't really get to talk
about the cult too much, but they were a cult that didn't use
technology that worships an AI. I would love to see how that
happened. I would love to see how someone

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who came from a cult that didn'tuse technology at all ended up
becoming a hacker and one of thebest hackers in like a short
period of time after she left that cult.
You know, the the characters backstories and stuff are things
that I wish were were more flushed out.
I guess. You know, they did set it up for
the season 2. So maybe we will get that.

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I did not like the show, but it is a weird show that like I
might end up watching a season 2because I do think it's sort of
like eating all the raw pieces to a cake.
Like there is a way to mix them up and make something delicious.
But like you don't want to just eat flour.
That's, that's awful, which is sort of like what, you know, I
think we got here sort of like half baked For me.

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This is a it was a 5 out of 10, but I, I, yeah, I was not a not
a big fan of it. All righty, Kat, what about you?
So I liked the music from the show.
I really like the music from theshow.
It was very enjoyable. I very much like how much jazz

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they use, especially now that I'm getting back into getting
back into more drum grooves and and stuff like that.
Anyway, outside of that, really like the choreography, loved
some of the impacts of the action.
Animation was great. Other than that, not much.

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I mean, like, I I liked the quote of there will never be a
black Einstein and I'll punch that dude in the face.
That's fun. I like that.
That's the black in me. And then there was no more
blackness to be seen. So I was like, I cool,
wonderful. I get that you're from Japan and

(01:12:23):
you don't get it, but come on, bro.
Anyway, Yeah, I just this show was disappointing.
Like it's it's mediocre, but it's the type of it's the type

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of bad that's interesting. It's the type of bad that I
would equate to like a lesser high speed actually, where like
it's just like high speed actually is bad in such an
interesting way. It's super fun.
This show is bad in an interesting way where it's
mediocre because I don't get a lot of enjoyment out of it

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except for the music. The music is going to be
something I listen to when I'm at work just because I'm
chilling like, but like outside of that, like it's going to be a
show where I talk about it to myfriends and they're like, oh, I
really like Lazarus. Oh, you don't like stories?
OK, great. Like that's the thing that I'm
going to say just to rage made them.
Anyway, this show to me is a four out of 10.

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I liked a lot of I liked a lot of the good things, but there
weren't enough of those good things to make them above
average. And there was a lot of the bad
things, and the bad things made it below average.
Fair enough. All right, Jolene, how about
you? All right, so I think that this

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show had a lot of potential, butit was just wasted, honestly.
I think that this show also doesn't help being by Watanabe.
I think it's going to get so many comparisons to Cowboy Bebop
and since that is like a lot of people's number one of all time
and has such a gigantic place inspecifically the Western anime

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conscience that people just and and it's an Adult Swim show and
they just don't have a great track record at the moment.
I don't think there's there's maybe 2 Adult Swim anime that
are considered any decent. So it just has a lot going
against it. I think that the positives for

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this is that it's another feather and Moppas cap for just
beautiful animation. Like obviously they have nothing
to do with the riding or whatever, but the actual like
technical side of it was very well done.
I think that the last fight where like they're like running
through a skyscraper as it's collapsing is like some truly

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incredible spectacle. But I think that like that's
kind of all it has going for it is the incredible spectacle and
an amazing soundtrack. I love the soundtrack so much.
Like I said earlier, Kamasi Washington, again, don't know if
I'm pronouncing that all right, sorry guys.
And Bonobo just do a fantastic job for that.
I love the OP and Ed both. The Ed just gave me huge vibes.

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Like it was a never skip for me,which is rare for E DS.
But I also think that the the cast was super half baked.
Like Doug was basically a non character at all apart from a
couple cool quips. Leland, his only real character
trait was being rich. Like yeah he had the drones or

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whatever, but basically anybody could probably do that sort of
thing. It's not like he was like super
skilled at that. And then the other like 3
characters are fine. I guess I just want a lot more
from this show as someone who loves like I love basically all
the Watch and Abe stuff I've watched which is more or less

(01:16:04):
everything he's done at this point besides for terror and
residents. So I don't know I just want him
more out of this. At first I had scored this like
a 7 but like the more and more Ithought about it and thought
about the plot the lower I got on this.
This is I gave it a 5.5. I'll be generous and round up to

(01:16:25):
A6 for the purposes. By the way, his name is
pronounced Kumasi Washington. Kumasi, thank you.
Sorry. Sweet.
All right, Pete, what about you?I was.
Trying to think of a nice way onhow I was going to do this
because I don't really like shitting on shows, especially

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when it has really good things going for it.
Like mentioned earlier, I think the production value in this
show is top tier and one of the best of the entire year.
But it's like for wrestling fansout there, this is like Logan
Paul. It's like it looks it looks
good. It looks good.
He does things in the ring, but like Logan Paul sucks like he

(01:17:09):
like just overall sucks. And so that's kind of like how I
was feeling about Lazarus. It's like you can make the most
animation and the biggest explosions and the coolest
fights but they only go so far if everything else is working
with it. And that's where I lost it.
The the entire cast can get shotin the head in the show and I

(01:17:30):
wouldn't care about any of them.You could cut episode 3 and 4
from the show when it does nothing to the plot.
I don't want a season 2. If anything, I wanted less
episodes from the show because if anyone's seen Mission
Impossible 2, I got heavy Mission Impossible 2 vibes from
this. I feel like it should have been
7 episodes or a movie because you we even though we had time

(01:17:52):
to explore characters, we never explored them.
I don't know who these people are.
And in a character driven show where you have a cast like this,
where you have a Suicide Squad, you have like this Ocean's 11
shit going on. You want to find out who these
people are and like I like DannyOcean from oceans 11.
I like the shark dude from Suicide Squad because those

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movies made those characters funto me.
They they provided context to make me like character and this
I don't why should I like these characters?
Because he can do parkour. OK.
They're like it doesn't make a good character.
Makes a character cool looking, but doesn't make a good
character. I felt there was like there's
sometimes there's plot lines andplot holes that you can just

(01:18:35):
like avoid, but this one had waytoo many.
Like I don't know, I just, I just think overall this show
sucked. I know people like there's no
way that this could be like the worst anime of the year.
This is my front runner for anime of the OR worst anime of
the year. I think when you have something
like I, I mentioned it earlier, The Irish Man is a terrible,

(01:18:58):
terrible film and the fact that Martin Scorsese directed it adds
to that because Martin Scorsese is a goat.
He shouldn't be making the Irishman.
Watt Nabe should not be making Lazarus.
And if he should, if he is, he should make it the correct way
or a good way. Like it Just if you take him, if
you take Watt Nabe out of this story, Lazarus is a terrible

(01:19:20):
show. And I don't want like the Rose
tinted goggles of giving the benefit of the doubt to Watt
Nabe that I have seen with some people.
I think there's a show is just generally bad.
I'm going to give it a three. All righty, yeah, I really like
this show. I'm again, I get apparently a

(01:19:43):
huge minority here, but I I think that going in expecting
worse probably helped me like itmore.
And I guess going in knowing that it isn't Cowboy Bebopper
isn't some like, perfect masterpiece.
Of. Storytelling probably helped me

(01:20:03):
out, but I, I again, I'm, I, I could not disagree more with
most of you guys about the characters.
I feel like it gave us more thanenough to chew on.
And then we learn about their past or about who they are
through their actions and how they interact with people, how
they treat other characters in the in the show, which I thought
was like how I interpreted it. And and of course, I think we're

(01:20:27):
we're the plot. Like, I disagree that the middle
episodes that aren't relevant tothe plotter aren't actually
helping them figure out the the cure, because the whole point is
they're chasing leads that they are desperate for because they
have so little time left. And those leads aren't all going
to pan out into the next step. And that that's the way I viewed

(01:20:48):
it, at least until they eventually do find figure it
out. There's so many dumb things that
happened in the show too, as I sit here defending it.
Like, yeah, the, the fact that she doesn't bring up the pill
right away, that's really fucking dumb.
I don't know. I like that that there's so many
little, like tiny things like that that are really dumb and
definitely hold the show back. But I just, I guess I, I, I, it

(01:21:10):
was enjoying it enough that I tuned it out or didn't let it
bother me because I just, it felt I, I guess to use another
again, to use the same movie comparison, like a James Bond
movie, or I was going to use Ocean's 11 as a comparison to or
another heist movie or things like that where, oh, all these
or I don't know, I guess like now you see me or something like

(01:21:30):
that, like a movie like that where it's like, oh, all these
pot contrivances are ridiculous.Like that scene and I'm throwing
the card around like that's sucha ridiculous thing.
But it was also a cool scene. So I kind of like, Oh my God,
that's a fun scene. Just for the record, I also
think those movies are stupid. Fair enough.
Like I think they're dumb, but like the the that's the type of
movie it was. It was a ridiculous scenario.

(01:21:53):
It's A and in westerns people survive.
Have you seen movie? Breakdowns of how do you see me
by any chance? No.
Because there are scenarios where they legit need wormholes
for things to happen in that story, yeah.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's absolutely absurd.
And it's, it's magic, you know, like it's.
That's not that wasn't the prestige.

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Movie's so good. So good, so good.
Never seen. Oh, you should.
It's incredible. It's a white person movie cat,
but it is good. That'll that'll immediately drop
it down to points. I mean, I'm sorry that's I don't
make the rules. That's right.
Oh, is that the movie about the about?
Magic. May I?

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May I? All right, I'm not going to.
Spoil it if Ken hasn't seen it because it's legit as the
entire. Of the.
Podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, but if it is the spoiler I'mthinking of, then yes.
OK. All right.
Yeah, that movie. Thank you.
Yes. Yeah.
Good movie, good movie. I feel like there is anyways to
I guess to get back to it, I feel like there is a lot of
storytelling done throughout those episodes and world
building done throughout those episodes.

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And I think one thing we didn't touch on is Skinner's broader
mental state and what happened or, or why he, he is so I guess
deluded with the world. And I, and I just, I take it as
like he's, he's a mad scientist,he's lost his mind, he's
frustrated. But he also still, if he was
truly mad and didn't believe in humanity, he would have just

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killed himself or would have just never made it so that they
could find him and get the cure.So I think that the the whole
point of that he was trying to make was that there is enough
good in the world to save the world or to, or if there is
still enough good in the world, then we can pull together and
fix this or find the solution. We can figure out this problem.

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And he's still trying to get that point across about global
warming in this action where either they solve it and then
hopefully that wakes people up to the problems and the things
he was whistle blowing about in the and other problems in the
world, or everyone dies and thensuddenly global warming is fixed

(01:24:04):
because the planet lives on. So I, I thought, I thought he
was a very interesting character.
I thought Skinner was really cool.
I really in like a Joker kind ofway, you know, like the
analyzing his psyche kind of way.
So yeah, for me, I everyone already touched on all the

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production things and how awesome it was in that regard.
I agree entirely. I think I'm, I think I'm at a
nine. I was somewhere between an 8 and
a nine and I had no idea what I was going to rate coming into it
into this episode and I hadn't given it a rating yet.
So I think I'm, I think I am going to go with the nine
because I had so, so much fun with the show and I cannot

(01:24:52):
believe how far apart we are on it.
Honestly, I I'm still trying to figure that out, but we'll,
we'll get there someday. We'll all love Lazarus and.
We will not get there someday. We will not.
We will greater disagree and. That's exactly.
We'll get there someday, but yeah, that's brings our total

(01:25:12):
score to a 27 out of 15, which is pretty bad, but that averages
out to a 5.4 is about quite a bit below the mouse score. 1.79
as I've added a new column to the spreadsheet.
Nice. Oh that automatically does it
for me. Thank you.
Yes, I'm glad I can see the spreadsheet right in front of me
too, that really helps. Us that well, helps.

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Us a lot now yeah I I. OK, we added.
It last week, yeah, yeah. 7.19 for Lazarus.
So yeah, a little, a little. Lower in our group on it.
I'm surprised it's this high on Mal just because again, everyone
I've talked to about this, I am the first person I think that I
have seen like the show more than like thinking it's a like

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A5. Or if this was on Crunchyroll, I
bet it'd have a lower score. Fair enough.
So yeah, that that wraps up our discussion on Lazarus.
So Miles, take it away. What are we watching for next
club? OK, let's see if Watch Club did
the funniest thing possible. If your show won, this week

(01:26:21):
would be so funny. In 3rd place with 31 points is
The Portrait of Petit Cosette. In second place with 32 points
is the Uma Musa May movie The Road to the Top or something.
I'm sure you'll be nominating that for a horror show, Pete.
I'm actually going to nominate once we're done with our horror

(01:26:42):
show. I have a new one.
And in first with 33 points is Zombieland Saga, but this is
where we add in the legacy points where we now have a tie
with Cosette and Zombieland Saga, but because Cosette has
more legacy points, it wins. So despite it coming in last, it

(01:27:06):
will. Be punching.
The portrait of fatigue because that the I, I don't know if it
like has to work. It does.
It definitely doesn't have to work out this way.
We had three shows, so that probably like increases the odds
it will. But the fact that we had three
shows and it was 313233 kind of neat.
So that it's very funny because I was prepping that show
specifically to nominate this week and I can't do that now.

(01:27:34):
I guess there's no rule on re upping a.
We've never clarified that if you.
Could look, I don't even think it's going to be that good.
I just want to watch it. We're not re upping.
It fair enough. Yeah.
All right, so there we go. That's what we're watching a
little early for our Halloween episode, but now we're actually

(01:27:55):
nominating for our Halloween episode.
So we need some horror shows. Miles, you need a horror show to
nominate. You're going first.
Too bad, buddy. Go for it.
Let's hear it. What have you got?
OK, so I I guess I I have two thoughts that I would just like
to hear from the class on. One is something that is going
to finish airing next week, which is the summer that he grew
died. But I know lots of people are
watching that. So if we would rather watch
something slightly more classic for like anime horror, I would

(01:28:20):
like to nominate school live Gaku Karashi, which is sort of
like the zombie survival show that is famous horror anime.
I guess because all horror animeare so Jolene gave me the thumbs
down on summer. He grew, died, so I will.
I'll do school. All righty, Cap, what about you?

(01:28:46):
Yeah, so I I was thinking about what I should nominate before
the episode and I realized. Oh, you did it.
We. I thought I thought about what I
should nominate like 10 seconds before the episode, 10 seconds
before you said, hey, you need to find a new show to watch show

(01:29:09):
to nominate so it counts anyway.So I was thinking about
something that would be fun to watch and I was like, ha, I
really like comedy anime. Let me go ahead and find a
comedy anime that's really that is also a horror.

(01:29:29):
Sleeping Princess of the Demon Castle is really fun.
It's not a horror. It's not even close to being a
horror. Is the.
Sleep. Princess show a whore.
Sorry. Patrick I.
Didn't say it. I didn't mean to say horror.
I meant to say Halloween. Monsters, ghosts, all legend.

(01:29:52):
Do I have to do horror? I mean, that's what we've done
for years at least adjacent. I mean, it's dominated.
It's obviously on Saga before I was about to say.
It's kind of like, well, it's soit's involving demons.
I don't know, and the demon castle is adjacent.
No, it's not. Have you seen this show?
You would know it's not even remotely close to that.
Yes, I have but. It's not even remotely close to

(01:30:16):
that. OK then.
But then it's not then OK. Can I nominate a show for you
that's comedy and horror and it has a cat in it?
Sure. All right.
Cat nominates Night of the Living Cat.
Yes, we're. Obvious, I feel like.
I forgot about the show. If it was obvious, I think Cat

(01:30:37):
would have nominated. I've been watching seasonal
anime for like for like basically this past year.
Jolene, how about you? I'm going to nominate 1999's Pet
Shop of Horrors fun. All righty more.
Episodes by the way, guys. Like the musical?

(01:30:59):
No, that's. Little child.
Of wars. Try and keep up Miles.
Sorry. Fake musical fade over here.
You caught me. Even I do that and I don't go to
musicals. SMH my head.
Oh my goodness, Miles. Pete, what about you?
I mean, Miles is not very. I'm not very the summer Hukaru
died. The show kicks ass.

(01:31:23):
All righty, I I'm, I'm curious about that show.
I've heard a lot of people talking about it.
So all right. And I was worried I was going to
have Zombieland Saga sniped awayfrom me.
You'll I got the thumbnail made so you should nominate.
It Yeah, well, I thought I was going to get sniped, so I was
going to then nominate High RiseInvasion instead.

(01:31:44):
Oh my God. Please.
I thought it would be fun. I thought it'd be fun
automatically. Worse than Lazarus?
How? How could it be?
How could it be bad? I have so interesting.
That's what I want. To know, wait, how does it look
in? You know what I don't want Noah?
Actually, never. Mind.
Well, just like the the synopsis.

(01:32:04):
Makes it sound. Very cool like I and I'm sure
it's not and I've heard all the bad things about this show and I
believe it and like that clip that you showed Pete of it is
bad so. Production like my phone?
Yeah, the production value on itis probably what would kill it
for me. It's a 2021 anime too so that
was like Pete COVID like. It's not even like possible

(01:32:25):
deniability. What?
Oh, there would be I, I I just guess what you're going to say
incorrectly. I just went with the like, oh
it's not old, therefore there's no possible but.
No, it's like the peak of like shows that probably got totally
posed by being rushed post COVIDor during.
It makes a bunch of sense. I just guess what you were going

(01:32:47):
to say. Wrong.
No. It's OK, it's OK, but yeah, I
know. So maybe I I am going to
nominate Zombieland saga. We got there, but I just I
thought it was very it would I thought it would have been fun
and it apparently it's a horror.I I'm just I it piqued my
interest when it first got announced and I'm God damn it.
I just want a good zombie show, man, You know?

(01:33:08):
Like, it'd be cool. We get the movie this year,
hopefully. A Zombieland show?
A saga movie too? Yeah, we should watch the whole
show. We should watch the whole show
right before the movie. That'd be fun.
I've already seen it like. Four times.
Me too. Me too.
Yeah, Ashley and I watched it toget ready for the the movie when
it does come out this year. Right small.
Hell yeah, I hope so. Yeah, fingers crossed, but

(01:33:30):
alrighty, I think that wraps up Watch Club, so thank you so much
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(01:33:52):
interesting episode. I don't know how they'll
structure it because Cos that's good to Japan and Miles has seen
two shows, so we'll see how thatgoes.
Otherwise, if you're here for a watch club, we will see you in
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