Maebashi Witches Review | Anime Watch Club

Watch Club, a bi-weekly group discussion and review where the hosts of the what do you say anime podcast, nominate and vote on shows either that we haven't seen or shows that will hopefully lead to a great discussion. On todays episode we will be reviewing the 2025 anime, Maebashi Witches!

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0:00 Intro

2:14 First Impressions

8:30 Azu's journey

17:13 Eiko's story

20:49 Miles on Choco's and the other witches storylines

28:00 Power of Friendship vs Power of Help FROM Friends

40:02 Production quality of Maebashi Witches

46:34 Keroppe... what he do?

50:17 Theories and ideas about the ending

58:24 Closing thoughts & scores

1:10:19 What we're watching next

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
Home me now. I'm finally fulfilled.
This is what my heart's been waiting for.
Home me now. I'm.
Finally fulfilled pick. Me.
Up to dance and pick me up again.
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to anime watch club, a
biweekly group discussion and review.
We're the host of the way you see anime podcast nominate and

(00:30):
vote on shows either we haven't seen our shows are hopefully
into a great discussion. Today's episode, it's just the
big three. It's going to be myself, miles
and Pat. So today we will be your which
is that's we are discussing and reviewing the 2025 anime
Mebashi, which is So let's kick it over the Pat get the flower
in our hearts blooming. That was a very good transition.

(00:54):
Which of the big three are each of us?
I mean, I feel like I have. You're Naruto.
Right. You're 100% Naruto.
It's. Just big me.
Yeah, true. I think Miles is one piece and I
think I'm bleach. Sure all.
Right. Do with, do with that.
What do you want? Listeners is what I would rather
drink than watch any of those. You are big.

(01:16):
Agreed. Now our toes are all right, but
yeah, I love your shirt. By the way, Pete, I just noticed
that's that's an awesome. Like, can you wear that to work?
Have you worn that to work? Well, I'm remote, so yes, I
have. Fair enough.
Fair enough. I I love it though.
That that's great. With a collar.
Yeah, I love my shirt too. See it?

(01:36):
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to come see, come see our beautiful faces on the YouTube.
And yeah, subscribe there. By the way, sick plug.
All right, Yeah. We're talking about Maebashi,
which is a Studio Sunrise show from the spring 2025 anime

(01:57):
season. So a pretty recent one, right?
That's the what, like four or five months ago or so?
Yeah. There are genres of drama and
fantasy, no themes listed, but Iwould say little bit magical
girl, little bit idol, youth coming of age, all that good
stuff that usually comes with shows like that.
And yeah, let's just get right into it with our first
impressions, so first few episodes and whether we'd

(02:18):
recommend it or not. Miles, Are you ready?
Sure. Since I finished the show, I've
been thinking a lot about what Ithought about this show.
It's a hard one for me. There are things that I like
about it. There are things I don't like
about it and I I don't know I asto not do the thing I always do.

(02:41):
I'm about to do it. The fence sitting, Yeah.
Yeah, kinda. I mean, it's more like if this
is up your alley, this is a showthat I think you should include
in your alley. But like, if this isn't up your
alley, it's not something I would say you should divert for
like something I would say like girls band cry or whatever would
be right. Like there are shows where I

(03:02):
think this is so good if you youjust watch it because it's like
it is just good, whether it's your favorite subject matter or
genre or not. And I, I don't necessarily think
this is one of those. I think that this is for people
who sort of really like this, you know, girlfriend group with
some singing and the happy friendship times sort of shows.

(03:26):
And I say happy friendship. There's like drama and stuff
that they go through, but like, you know, that sort of deal.
I I think it's probably in that repertoire, but I don't
necessarily think that it is, you know, like the must watch
top cream of the crop in that genre is my thought.
So all this to say is that it depends.

(03:48):
Excellently done, Miles, that was.
That was really good. All right, Pete, what about you?
I remember when the show was about to come out and looking at
the picture of what Mei Bachi wishes is being directed by
Sunrise, I'm like, all right, this is somehow going to turn to
a Mecca, right? Like this is somehow going to be
Sinful Gear. Like that's kind of like my line
of thinking was. And then I didn't watch it when

(04:10):
it was airing because of the uncertainty of like what the
show was going to be. And what's we kind of got like
involved with some people on ourDiscord and heard some more
rumblings about it. I thought that this would be a
great show to discuss and I, I think whether you like this show
or not, I think it's like the perfect show for like a podcast
because there's so many different talking points from

(04:31):
different like scenarios that happened within the show.
Just within the first couple episodes.
A lot of people, from what I read online that people liked
the end more than the beginning.A lot of people thought like the
first couple episodes was kind of stagnant and we kind of saw
that within our Discord too. Like we have a couple people
that drop the show on like episode 4 or 5.

(04:52):
I was the exact opposite. I thought how the show set
itself up was done really well and episode 3 is my favorite
episode of the entire series. So I was fully invested in this
show really early and it's kind of like the exact opposite.
My issues of this show are actually towards the the back
end, which what seems to be likewhat everybody else likes,
though I'm interested to be talking about those viewpoints.

(05:13):
What I recommend this show, I think it can get kind of real at
some point. I think if you're going through
some shit, I would say skip this.
But if you are a fan of like we'll talk about later, Miles is
giving me like the side eye and there are two scenarios that
like legit hit me really hard and what I cried to.
So the fact that like, it hit meat a personal level, I would

(05:35):
personally recommend it just because I think it does a great
job at showcasing some of these like real moments.
But I, I don't know, like I, I feel like if you haven't like
necessarily like experienced some of this stuff, it may just
be like a stereotypical believe in yourself, do a good job.
This is like a pre cure episode type of thing.
And I can, I can get that from other people's perspectives, but

(05:58):
this show hit me like a ton of brick.
Like I loved it. I'm really intrigued to start
talking about with you guys. But yeah, I would absolutely
recommend the show. I thought it was really, really
well done. All right, And I voted for the
show mainly because I heard witches.
And as we know, you know, I got to lean further into the bit.
I love witches, love them, thinkthey're awesome.

(06:22):
I was disappointed that they weren't really actual witches.
They're like the fake witches, magical girl witches instead of
like, real witches. But you know, we make it work.
The real witches. The real witches.
Thank you for catching the joke there.
I Yeah, I don't know what other perspective to have other than
the fence sitter one that we joked about with Miles, where

(06:43):
it's like, yeah, if you like this kind of a show, like a
girl's girl's idol show or or whatever, I I think this show
fits that perfectly and you would really like it For others,
I don't know if it's necessarilyworth going out of your genre to
seek it. So like for me, I there are
moments of the show that I did enjoy, but it's not it really
wasn't enough for me to want to recommend it to like the

(07:05):
majority of people. I would say so.
And I think yeah, we'll we'll we'll probably touch on all the
things I really liked. I guess the big thing I noticed
was the art throughout the show outside of their actual idol
performances where they're like,and speaking about that
specifically them, not their notlike the background art, but

(07:27):
their movement still looked likeclassic dumb 3D anime moments.
But like the 2D art in the background and the storytelling
throughout their idol performances was really, really
good. Even more so compared to like
other idol shows. Otherwise, I don't really think
there's much that stands out about the show.
It it feels like something, every single thing that happened
on the screen felt like something I had seen before done

(07:49):
by something else that I enjoyedmore.
So yeah, let's get right into it.
Spoilers now going forward, I guess it's kind of spoiler
heavy. Oh yeah, things of consequence
do happen, so be warned before you continue from here.
But yeah, Pete, I mean at this, just from the first impressions
and pre show discussion, it seems like Miles and I are not
sold on the show versus you are.So please, what?

(08:10):
What's the first talking point that you'd really like to
highlight and something about the show that you really liked?
Sure, yeah, I I and I just want to say like I totally get why
like this show has like a Sebaton now.
Like I totally understand. Like it makes perfect sense.
I actually think it's spoiler myrings will be higher than A7 but
I can see why. I actually think it's pretty
properly rated. But sort of like what drew me

(08:32):
into something like wondering priority was these girls each
getting their own individual like story.
But it ties together with like the main group and Mei Bashi
sort of did the same thing whereeach girl had their own
individual storylines. I thought some stuck out to me
more than others, some were morerealistic and hard hitting than

(08:52):
others. And so that's kind of where I
wanted to start with my, my talking first talking point was
just the individual storylines. And if anyone stuck out to you,
I don't know if you guys want meto start since I might be the
highest, but I can start. You start?
Yeah. I was just saying you start with
your favorite and then we'll we'll each chime in with ours.
Yeah. So this is like part of it where

(09:13):
it was like it was hitting me harder than I thought it was
going to be. So starting this year, I decided
that I was like going to be verystrict on my diet, very strict
on being healthier. I didn't like where I was at
physically and mentally, that type of thing.
And it's really hard work. And then so we had Ozu and her
storyline of using magic to sortof portray herself in a light

(09:38):
that is more what people think about her rather than what she
thinks about herself. And I kind of went through
something similar to where I wasthinking in my head, well, it's
like, OK, well, I'll be happier if I weigh less or whatever, if
I'm better looking, if I feel better like, then other people
are going to like, you know, I, I would feel more attractive

(10:00):
just in general, not just to like girls or whatever, but just
like overall, like I wanted to have that experience, but like,
it was doing it for like the wrong reasons.
The reasons why I should be likewanting to lose weight is
because like, I want to be healthy for myself.
I want this to be the better myself.
And Azu's like storyline was sort of very similar where I

(10:20):
felt like that she was always doing it for somebody else other
than herself. And just how they portray that
with the model where she was a plus size model.
She was bullied her entire life.People are always talking behind
her back about her weight and stuff like that.
But she came to accept who she was as a person.

(10:41):
There's sometimes where you justtry and try and try and it just
doesn't work out but it but you're still happy with where
you're at because you like you gave it your all.
And then it got to the point with the model where she got a
job offer where she needed to bedressed as a pig and she's only
casted because she's overweight.And it, I don't know, it's just

(11:04):
something about that like reallyhit me.
And then what hit me even more with that was the fact that the
person that accepted her was like her partner was a girl.
And I just felt like that was like also a great message of
just seeing like the acceptance of somebody's love on the other
end of a phone of who you are. And that kind of caught me a

(11:24):
little off guard because I wasn't expecting it to be like a
romantic partner on the other side.
And just that whole storyline with how Azu saw her, reflecting
her problems onto her and sort of how everything got handled
was just, I thought flowed really well with the entire
episode. I mentioned it earlier, I did
cry during this episode. I thought it was just

(11:45):
beautifully well done. And it was I'll I'll talk about
my other favorite one later, which also hit me like a ton of
bricks, but I just thought how it was played out set it like a
really good tone for the other girl's story going forward.
So I just want to share my thoughts on that.
I don't know if you guys had an individual arc that was your
favorite I. Want to talk about that one for
a little bit because I I liked that arc.

(12:08):
I thought that that storyline was good.
I thought it was a good one to start the girls off on, though
it's technically the second one.Yeah, there's a yeah, and we'll
talk about it later. But I guess the continuation of
this with Azu I ended up not liking and that's sort of like,

(12:32):
I don't know, we'll have we'll have to talk about it because I
think like Rinko, who's the woman who came in like I think
her little story was was good, right?
Like she decided that she didn'twant to use herself as a
punching bag, you know, for these these bits, you know, and
that she should respect herself and figure out how to, you know,

(12:52):
be happy with who she is, whether that be, you know, by
losing weight or or not and justenjoying her, you know,
whatever, you know, I thought that was good.
I thought that, you know, the tension that they played with as
you and stuff was good. And then we'll talk about it as
we go further on. But I did like that.
I thought that that story was was really good.
So, you know, I get that. I think I, I think it does a

(13:14):
really good job there of sort ofsetting the, the tone and
showing what the the group is about there.
I think it's a good one to startwith too, 'cause it's a
relatable struggle. You know, it's, I think for most
people having to watch what? Well, you know, having to be
aware of what you're eating. Like, I know you related
directly to your life experience.

(13:35):
It's something that like, yeah, whenever I was in preseason or
whatever, getting ready for my sports, it was like, oh God,
what, what am I doing? What, what am I eating?
I'm even doing it now where I still intermittent fast and I'm
still so conscious of it. But then and, and it doesn't
always, it's not always a lineartrajectory of like getting
better or seeing that progress and that that's what makes it so

(13:56):
difficult. So I think that that's a, it's a
pretty good one to start on versus some of the other arcs
that were a little bit harder for most people, I would think
to relate to. At least you know that that were
a bit more targeted. Miles, do you have anything else
on this specific arc or, or wereyou about to bring up your own?
No, I mean, you know, that was Iguess what I I wanted to talk

(14:17):
to. I mean, if I had trying to
decide if it's this was my my favorite one or not.
And I don't know might have beenChoco's, but I thought I thought
this one was was good. I thought it was.
Solid and I, you know it, it's agood relatable thing and it it
has like, you know, a good message of having self respect

(14:37):
and all of that. And I kind of just touch on it a
little bit more like with Ozu, just like one thing.
Well, I think I also did set something else up with like the
overall arching themes of the show is just like social
pressures of being a girl in Japan.
I think that like relates to a lot of these girls and maybe not
just being a girl, but like justthe societal pressures in Japan

(15:00):
with like how they dealt with it.
But just sort of her attitude towards seeing Rinco in the
beginning being like, oh, you'rehere to grant A wish.
It's obviously to lose weight because you're fat.
Like, why wouldn't it be to loseweight?
Like sort of like that mindset of Ozu's that early into the the

(15:21):
episode I thought did like a great job of showcasing how Ozu
was struggling with it, with herself, with her weight, and
sort of deflecting that onto somebody else.
Because people do that all the time where you see it with
people with like anger issues. And it's like, I'm mad because
you're making me upset and that type of thing.
But it's like, actually, it's like, no, you're mad because

(15:43):
something's wrong going on with you type of thing.
And so I just thought that was agreat way to accept Ozu's
character where she's battling these struggles.
I mean, outside, you see, like her friends are talking shit
behind her back. Like they they talk shit to her
in the wrong group chat and she doesn't leave the group chat
until, was it episode 11 or 12? It's just like she's fighting

(16:04):
these struggles because she wants to fit in.
She wants to have friends and she's struggling with it because
she thinks it's because of her weight.
And later on we find out like her friends within the witches
just accept her for who she is. It doesn't matter.
Like you, we see it when we go back in episode, is it the end
of 10 into 11 where like they'rein the real life, they see her

(16:27):
and they don't even mention likeher weight.
And then she's like, why aren't you guys like look, why aren't
you looking at me differently? It's like you're still the same
person. Like sure, you might be a little
over like bigger than your witchpersona, but you're still the
same person. We're still going to treat you
the same way. So I just love stories like
that. Like I love that in my media.

(16:48):
I love how they when when the episode is set out to portray a
certain message, it's like, OK, I understand what this episode
is going to be about. How are we going to get from
point A to point B? And I just thought they executed
it so well and it was so realistic and they hit me like a
ton of brick. So I loved episode.

(17:09):
I could talk about my favorite arc if you'd like.
Yeah, I actually liked the arc. That God, what was their name?
I'm sorry there's so many similar names here.
Eco Eco Zen or whoever the the Iguess the final bad big bad
boss. At the end.
Evil at the end, whatever. I really liked that even though

(17:31):
she's the first like character, they help in the show, they are
like, she wasn't perfectly fixed, I guess, or she Gee, I, I
liked that it felt like a subversion of expectations, at
least for me, that she didn't just go on to Med school or
didn't just have like all these things fixed in her life and,
and go on to succeed. And that she did feel jaded by

(17:55):
the person that had given her that advice.
You know, and sometimes it's it,it's hard to accept that you,
you failed or you're, you know, like I'm not playing for the US
men's national soccer team. I'm mad at my, you know, like
it's I, I felt that that one wasa little bit more relatable, but
you know, you have to come to terms with what, what you're
capable of doing. And then, but the same time,

(18:15):
they also didn't just tell her like, all right, fuck off,
whatever, you're, you're not going to do this.
She was just reinforced in, in terms of just being told, Oh, we
do still believe in you. Just because you hit a set back
or just because you you didn't achieve it perfectly on your
first try, doesn't mean that youcan't still do it.
Yeah, I guess we're kind of skipping ahead all the way to

(18:36):
the end of the show. We're here with this one.
But like I I really did like that it wasn't just a open and
shut case with her as the first arc.
And and also it's it shows how hard it is to to fight that self
doubt, even though she overcame it with that initial like, oh,
well, you'll never know if you don't do it.
And then she actually did it. And then she does know quote, UN

(18:58):
quote that she can't do it. She really doesn't know that
either. You know, like I, I, I think
that that was a, a really well done way to approach that topic.
And again, I, I, I feel like I haven't seen that in many of the
other, cause the other, there are a lot of tropes in this that
are played or a lot of characterarchetypes that are repetitive
compared to other shows about, you know, girls coming of age

(19:20):
or, or just, you know, high schoolers coming of age.
Really, you know, it's, it's allvery relatable issues and things
that they all struggle with. And it felt like this one was a
little bit more on the unique side, which is why I enjoyed it
so much. And I, I, I guess with that one
thing that I liked about it was the last interaction with her

(19:41):
mom that like, she found that she like her whole dream is to
be a doctor. She goes and takes this test and
she gets AD and like, like she did really, really bad on this
pretest. And I I kind of like just how
that whole ending scenario with their mom sort of happened where
they they apologize to each other for blowing up.

(20:02):
But also I go like, yeah, I failed this test, but that
doesn't mean I'm going to stop being like trying to be a
doctor. Like this is part of like life,
I guess. Like, not everyone's going to be
a super genius that not everyone's on pass with flying
colors. So I like to see that aspect of
her character sort of, you know,understand the struggle of the

(20:24):
dream that she's wanting to takeis going to be tough.
So I just really like that scene.
Exactly, exactly what I was thinking too.
Yeah, the mother being supportive at the end too was
was good or seeing her come around rather than just like the
the usual why, why don't you have an A, you know, like he was
like, oh, dumb parent stereotypeor archetype, whatever we want

(20:47):
to say. Maza, do you have a favorite
like individual storyline you mentioned?
I like that. Yeah, I liked part of hers where
like I liked the like you, you mean like getting to live her
life sort of aspect of that. I thought that was fun and just

(21:07):
sort of seeing the the amount ofeffort that she has to like put
in home and everything as a thing.
And then, you know, but there God, I don't know with all of
these things, it's so interesting to me because
there's so I'm going to use Choco's as an example where her
her mom has a leg injury and grandma has a leg injury.

(21:31):
Yes. OK so her mom is a like a night.
Shift nurse or something? Yes, OK, so she has to sleep
during the day because she's outmaking money of the night and
her grandma has a leg injury. And that makes it so that Choco
has to do a lot of the houseworkand care and also has a part
time job and presumably has to go to school and is also
secretly a florist slash which Choco's got a very busy life.

(21:56):
But they mentioned that her grandma refuses to go to
physical. Therapy.
Yeah. So to me, and I think this is
almost kind of a theme in this and I don't know if it's like
intentional or not, but a lot ofthese times there are people in

(22:16):
these arcs, in these things thatare that are at fault for a lot
of these scenarios. And it's just sort of like.
Yep. Deal with it.
It's like, I don't know how muchI like that, you know what I
mean? Like like I don't know if

(22:37):
forgiving echo is good. I think that's bad actually.
It's like, you know, I, I like, and I, I kind of get what
they're going for. But OK, here's the thing that I
have struggled with when I was younger, even some as an adult,
and it's saying no to people about things and it's not being

(23:00):
a doormat, you know, So I, I tend to be, because it's a flaw
that I have had right? Where I'll, I'll just bear all
responsibility to like avoid conflict or my default will be
assuming that I've messed up or whatever.
And therefore I, you know, I'll take blame for things that might
not necessarily be my fault if Iwere to think more critically

(23:22):
about it or whatever. You know, it seeing some of
these scenarios where the, those, these people sort of
like, like your grandma has to go to physical therapy.
I'm sorry, like, why is she not going to PT?
Ever go to PT? You know what makes me think of

(23:43):
sorry, sorry, I just the tweets.I don't know if you guys have
seen them where they're like that moment when you realize the
person venting to you is the problem or whatever.
It's just like of like those tweets.
It's like, oh, uh oh, the victimexplaining the story isn't
actually the victim here, you know, like, or that like that
moment when it clicks in your head as they're telling the

(24:04):
story. Like that's that is, I do see
what you're saying, like with the specific like the grandma is
a great example. It's like you just have to make
them and right, you can't actually make them go.
But it's like, I don't know, like it's, it's life.
It's a hard part of life, but you got to do it, you know?
Yeah, and it's like it, like it's great that Choco is willing
to pick up that slack, but like,I also think that maybe having

(24:24):
some animosity towards that is good or natural at the very
least. And like you got to deal with
that. But like, it, it's it, it's
tough. They do an OK job with with
Aiko, like Uena says, like, you know, I can't take
responsibility for your failures.
Like you're trying to like put on me or whatever.

(24:45):
But like, and, and I don't know,I get it's, it's like a show and
it's not like real. But she did sort of just like
hijack their entire business andmake them all forget each other.
And like, it was just a bit disproportional to like giving
her some advice that made her fail.
That wasn't even bad advice. And there's a there's sort of a

(25:08):
few things with this too, like like you and my right?
So like my is secretly really big on social media.
This is another arc and she has a friend named UA who's like
obsessed with social media and she has some like fucking low 4
figure count of social media followers and is.

(25:29):
Bragging about what a loser I. I just, I mean like, don't brag
about it. It's like Jesus Christ, you
know? But Maya has like, I don't know,
like 6 figures or something silly and some sort of secret
persona. And this sort of comes out.
Inua is like so embarrassed about having less social media

(25:50):
followers that she, you know, she can't handle it.
They try to sing her a song and she's like, fuck it, I'm out,
Which I did like, I like that she was like, fuck it, I'm out.
Because I thought that it showedthat the people making the wish
still bear some responsibility for their self improvement,
right? It's just not magic.
They have to want to do it. They have to want to make this

(26:10):
sort of effort to make things work.
And she didn't. But then like, I don't know,
it's still sort of it comes together and it sort of comes
together because maybe I like this one more, even though I
didn't think I would. Because at the end it's you who
is like, hey, like my bad. I sucked.

(26:31):
Like, let's let's meet up. I'm happy that you're doing so
well. Like, you know, and that's,
that's good. And that's what she needed to do
the entire time. And she she sort of got there,
though it did sort of happen offscreen, which is another thing
we can talk about the ending where everything just sort of
gets solved at the end. But like, I don't know, a lot of
these things were tough for me because I I felt like what they

(26:53):
were going for. And I did liking that because
the Choco episode is called likeit's hard.
Like it when things suck, it's like it sucks to say that they
suck or whatever. And that's super true.
It's hard to acknowledge and talk about like hardships that
you're going through. I guess just from my
perspective, I always get worried that the message is sort

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of accidentally like, put up with everyone's bullshit, you
know, I don't know, Like even Koropi at the end, he's like a
Dick the entire series. And then they're like, if you
apologize to us, we'll still be your wage slaves.
It's, you know, I don't know it,it, it was a little too leaning

(27:41):
on the forgiveness for me, I guess, like the power of
friendship, forgiving everyone. And I that's, that's good,
right? That's like strictly good.
But I don't know, I I just thought it was a, from my
perspective, it was just a bit over the top I guess on that
sort of deal. So what exactly was over the
top? Because I feel like we touched
on like 4 different arcs and that's.
Yeah. So I guess what I generally mean

(28:02):
is that like I feel like people they like they did, there was
too much forgiveness and power of friendship.
And this to the point where I think it was to the detriment of
the people who were were doing as such in some cases, like or
they didn't acknowledge sources of issues necessarily and have

(28:27):
like there wasn't a lot of problem solving in this.
It was a lot of coming to terms with the problems, which I don't
hate, but I also don't love. I don't it's weird.
I just think it's weird. Oh.
Can I, can I piggyback off that Because I think it was like, I
think it was to me, it was like the biggest message of the
entire show was your problems aren't just going to be solved

(28:49):
with magic. Like you need to like recognize
your problems and do something. A lot of the, a lot of the, the
wishes that they grant aren't byusing magic.
It's by like, I mean like the whole, the whole awakening the
flower within your or blossomingyour flower within within you is
more of just like advice and more of like, Hey, you actually

(29:12):
need to go out and do this for yourself.
But I thought like instead of like the power of friendship, it
was more of like the power of your friends telling you what
you need to hear. And so I kind of like that
little switch up where it wasn'tjust like, hey, we're going to
beat the bad guy because there'sfive of us now type of thing.
It's more of like, you're going to solve the problem because

(29:34):
we're here to help you. Like we're here as like a
guidance counselors, We're here as friends.
We're here as somebody who knowshas been through this.
And so I just thought like how they incorporated that
throughout the entire show was awesome because they lost the
majority of their MOPO points bylike materialistic things and

(29:55):
doing things for themselves or doing things for others without
like solving the problem. You saw them bankrupt their MOPO
because they were trying to solve the wish of Yua when all
of these things that they were giving to her isn't solving the
problem, it's adding band aids to the wound.
And so I kind of like how they explored this throughout the

(30:17):
show, that essentially every problem is solved by the actions
of the events rather than the events solving the problem.
OK, so I I agree for the people who come into the shop and I
disagree for the girls. And I think this is where sort
of my things come in because like, we don't really see the

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girls do anything to fix any of their problems.
Or change in any way? I agree with you.
Which girl, which girl are all of them?
Because. Kinda.
OK, 'cause like something like like Ozu and her weight problem
that isn't just salt like to me that isn't just solved by I, I.

(31:02):
Understand it's not just magic we solved.
But what did she do though? I think she changed.
I mean, she's still her persona,but I think that she's starting
to get comfortable in her skin throughout the show.
I think like that was the point of her character was being
comfortable being herself withinthe skin that she's in.
See, I so I think like, OK, so she at the end she she goes back

(31:24):
and OK, here's the thing. So, and this is so silly, but
like, to me, the impact of her weight issue is a little
dampened when she can magically look really hot whenever she so
desires. Well, even at the end though,
they're are they in the witch? World.

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The last, the last. Are they in a mall?
That was a dream, I guess. Yeah, or.
Was it not to get better at? I don't know.
That was. That was a weird ending.
It was. It was a very weird ending that
confused me quite a bit too. I had to like rewatch it like
twice to make sure I didn't. Yeah, I, I.
Misjudge. Cause like, cause like for OK to

(32:08):
get personal again for a second Choco who I relate to a lot as
somebody who is a primary caretaker for somebody who is
physically disabled, like I, I found how she struggled with her
family situation was like spot on.
Like I deal with it the same way.
It's hard to say no. It's hard to say like you need
to go to your doctor's appointment, you need to go to

(32:29):
your physical therapy when the person on the receiving end is
non like, like they're not wanting to do that, like for
various reasons. And like as somebody who is
still dealing with that now, like I totally get like what
Shoko's doing. It's so hard to say like no to

(32:50):
your family when you have situations like that.
And it it it does, it does take time to come to the realization
to ask for help, to ask for, youknow, just assistance in
anything, even if it's somethinglittle.
And so to me, like that's why I love Choko's like whole story
and wanting to escape that as this Choko character where she

(33:13):
want, she needed to like have fun and let go and have like her
just like let everything go and have fun.
Like that's what her Choko character was and so like.
Does she act on the issues that she's having in work actively to
improve her home situation? Yes, yeah.
We see it with her mom. Like, there's a scene where her
mom is like, thank you for, like, talking to me and relying

(33:36):
on me for more help. And they're like outside eating
an ice cream bar. Yeah, OK.
I mean that's, that's it. Like that's she asked her she
was having issues at home with the workload.
She asked for help and it was solved.
Like it is the the situation seems easy on paper, but until
you actually experience it I feel like it's like completely

(33:59):
different. I OK, I guess I would rather the
burden that the family member was putting on Choco would be
something that wasn't in theory solvable if it wasn't for them
being stubborn, because to me it's just sort of like.
Stubborn. I don't know that I think that's
like a really. Big Grandma's just being.
Stuck. No.
I, I, I I've. I see it first hand with these,

(34:21):
with the person I'm talking about where you know, they're
afraid of like they have a phobia of doctor's offices, they
have a phobia of hospitals. Like it, it's stuff like that
where it's like, I can absolutely relate to why or it's
just like I'm getting old. Like what does going to physical
therapy do for me? Like I'm old.
Like I like I can understand that mindset as well.

(34:44):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I I get it.
I just think it's not a great one to have and puts a burden on
your family like. Yeah, but that's like a thing
people do to their families. Like people put burdens on their
families. But so do we see choco though?
Like specifically call that out to in this case.

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That's what I think has to happen.
I think that's like. Yeah, say, like, do you realize
what kind of stress you're putting me through?
This is so like, and to tie Miles this point together, I
think. And please tell me if I'm not.
But like his point is, sure, we see Choco's mom and things sort
of start to seem like they're getting fixed, but it's not

(35:26):
because Choco went and said, Hey, I need this to change.
It's kind of just it, it just happened, you know, like it,
it's. Shifting to her mom.
Whatever this burden is, you know.
Rather than attacking the actualproblem.
And you don't even need to attack.
But I, I think, I don't know, itlook as someone who has a whole

(35:47):
bunch of of mental health problems, right?
Like it's, it's not your fault these phobias and stuff, but
like it is your responsibility to, to deal with them.
And you know, it's, it's hard. It is very hard.
You know, there were periods in my life where I couldn't leave
my house for weeks because I wasjust so afraid of everything,

(36:08):
right? And it was helpful to have
support of my, I would, you know, my, both my parents, you
know, and I, I'd like to shout out, especially my father, who
did a very good job of like noticing these issues with me.
But what they also did was say, look, I, you know, I get all of
this stuff, but we need to work on this.

(36:30):
And like, I, if I'm choco, right?
And I can't speak for everyone, of course, this is just me based
on my experiences. You know, if the grandma is
afraid of the hospital, you takecare of her while she works on
that or you, you know, but the goal should always be, in my
opinion, to like, if you're 99 or 100, whatever, you know, just

(36:52):
to work through these things. I suppose you know it.
I guess it's a little different if it's like someone needs to go
through like very tough treatment, like, you know, some
sort of chemotherapy and they'realready, you know, where it's
going to really ruin their quality of life for a period of
time. You know, I don't know, it's a
complicated issue and I completely understand where

(37:14):
you're coming from. But I guess for me, you know
what, I'm going to be perfectly honest about this.
It's a fear I have. I have a fear of becoming like
Choco's grandmother in a way where my obsessions and
compulsions and phobias and everything hurt my family in
some way. And I am unable to deal with

(37:37):
them right? So I sorry.
It's it's scary to think about because I have periods of time
where I am insanely irrational. I have thought Kayla was trying
to poison me before he was you. Guys watch Apothecary Diary and
she got a little too into it. Yeah, this is fair enough.

(37:58):
And you know, so like for a, youknow, and So what?
My, my just personal miles hour,what my psychiatrist says about
these things that you basically have to take them head on.
So there are periods of time where like, like for example, I
thought she had, she had poisoned a pie that she had made
me because this is different than not getting your leg fixed

(38:21):
enough because she cleaned the pie pan before.
I don't know. It was insane.
I was, I'm crazy. And so I was really convinced of
this. So I had to sit there and eat a
piece of pie because you have, you have to make yourself do
these things you're afraid of toprove that they're irrational in
your head. And it took me like 2 hours of

(38:43):
sitting in the kitchen to eat a very good piece of apple pie.
I, I don't know. So I guess for me, I, I would
never, ever, ever want someone to act like Choco did in this
situation. And I would want to be informed
and it helped, however I needed to be helped, but I would want

(39:05):
to deal with, you know what I mean?
It's just that's, that's me. No, I get it.
And then I just want to make it clear where I'm coming from on
this because I get it's a, it's a complicated thing, but it, it
genuinely that is a, a fear of mine.
So. Well said.
OK. Thank you.
I I get what you're saying that too, Miles, Because yeah, it is.

(39:26):
It's not an actual solution to the problem at hand, which is
too bad because you know that that problem is now just passed
off to someone else instead. So it it makes sense.
And your personal affrotation towards it or affrontation.
Affrontation I English is hard man, and I'm pretty good at it,

(39:51):
but it's not easy. But either way, your personal
connection to it definitely can see where that's coming from for
sure. What are we thinking on other
aspects of the show? Maybe less about themes and
stuff like I thought the production quality of the show
again, I like I I said in the intro, outside of the idols
moving and looking like computers because they are

(40:12):
everything is I guess. But outside of that, I thought
the show was beautiful. The color palette was awesome,
character designs were great. The music, the words are so
cheesy but. They, they do their job, you
know the, the idol performances,they do their job and they tell
the story they're trying to tell.
The background art and the background like scene cuts
behind them as well. The setting all looked really

(40:34):
good in my opinion. I thought, I thought that that
was really good. Anything else that you guys
caught or any specific moments that really stood out to you?
I would say in theory how they set up like I think I, I think
I, I don't know if you guys agree.
I think the closest comparison to this show is wondering and,
and what and wondering, you know, their problems are solved

(40:56):
by normally like a fight of somesort.
And then Meibashi, it's solved by like a song.
So in theory I think that's cool.
But what the show has to do if they want that to be successful
is that essentially every song needs to be an absolute banger
or it like kind of doesn't work in my eyes.

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And I thought for the most part the music was kind of whatever
that my favorite one was the song that they sang to Aiko in
episode 11. I really like that song, but I
just think like like I will giveit points in theory for the
power of music solving the problem type of thing.
But like it it wasn't that good.So that I will take that point

(41:39):
back type of type of deal. But the thing that's out to me
and you mentioned about the background art of this show is
just like incredible, like the scenes where they're like
opening, like the the framing where like the doors are up and
someone's walking into the shop.And sometimes it's just like a
vast white openness of nothing in the beginning episodes.

(42:00):
And then later on in the series,more gets added to the scene.
And then something like episode 1011 and 12 with Aiko, it's more
of like a, a Madoka witch battle.
I feel like that's happening in the background where it's like
darker themed, like the the the ticking clocks moving backwards
and forwards and stuff like that.
I thought that stood out to me the most.

(42:20):
And also just sort of like the portrait.
Actually, it's more of like the just the designs, like the
wardrobe insane. Like the outfits were so good.
I loved like everything about like the character designs.
The the tropiness of the characters is a little bit like
whatever but like the actual physical designs of these
characters were as a huge stand out to me.

(42:44):
Yeah, I I agree. I think my favorite song was
Aiko's like sort of villain songwhere she was like just don't
have feelings. Dumb fuck to that girl.
That was very homeroy that whole100% Yeah, right.
Like the whole the whole vibe there felt like a little jacked

(43:05):
with the like, but like, I don'tknow, I'm about it, so go ahead.
Yeah, Homero kicks ass. I.
Love it. Yeah, that was sort of my my
thought there, but I I I liked that.
The rest of the songs I don't I don't know, maybe it's just
because I just watched K pop Demon hunters where every song
is like a fucking like I still you know.

(43:28):
I listened to soda pop three times yesterday like.
I'm skilled, I rewatched the movie like 3 days ago.
It's so good. It's it's good, but like, I
don't think I'm ever going to listen to a Maibashi which song
ever again. Yeah, I might listen to no one.
OK, No, I like the OP. The OP was really fun.

(43:48):
We are Meyer Bashi, which is. I kept on, Yeah.
I, I had whiplash with it. I was like, I like this.
And then like halfway through, I'd be like, actually, I fucking
don't skip. Yeah.
And then it would it would startagain and I'd be like, yeah,
wait, no, actually, I don't like, I like the first half of
the OP Yeah, I don't. I thought the I thought the

(44:09):
music was neat. I don't know.
So here's another thing that it's not it's not the same thing
as but like, I don't know, it's it's in the the same maybe not
like the maybe like the the family from like a biological
standpoint, right. Like, it's not the same genus
even, but like, review Starlightdoes the whole like singing and
fighting thing. Yeah.
Especially the movie, yeah. Well, OK, I mean, the movie,

(44:32):
it's like, I don't, I don't evenreally know what happened to the
movie. And I was like, I don't like
dare. What's awesome?
Yeah. This shit's.
Like it's like, I'm sure there was a plot point here.
Whatever fight on subway that's.Actually a good.
So this is actually kind of likereview, so yeah, OK.
Yeah, there's some similarities there.
It's sort of like a hybrid between Wonder Egg and this.

(44:54):
Like if Wonder Egg and this had a baby it would be review
Starlight, at least as far as the conflict resolution.
Goes it's a little bit pre cure mixed in there.
Probably I haven't watched any pre cure so.
Neither have I, I just know who has I.
I have technically seen some pre.
There is, well I think the most recent pre cure is an idol pre

(45:16):
cure though isn't it? There's always so each pre cure
like season is centered around like a like a theme or something
like that. Like, I think the one before
this was centered around like, animals, those like.
Yeah, but like and the. Current one is you and idol pre
cure. Which is smiles if you let me
get to that point. I wasn't done with my sentence.

(45:36):
God. It's called a setup.
Podcasting one-on-one. Just for clarification, what I
said was I think the theme of this current iteration of pre
cure is idols and then you said each.
You said a pre cure has a theme.I I was getting, I was getting
to something. We're spending way too much time

(45:58):
talking about pre cure anyways. I think the theme of the next
pre cure is redundancy. He's such an asshole.
You. Are what you eat.
Who invited Miles anyway? Himself, Yeah, right.
I just got like really personal and vulnerable and I need to I

(46:20):
need to cover for that right? Like, I need to like, go on the
offensive so that people don't think that I'm, I'm too.
Soft miles, I need you to look in the mirror and under.
I'm scared. Let's talk about Karopi real
quick. I want to talk about Karopi Frog
guy Froggy. What'd he do?

(46:42):
I made a joke that he was supposed to, like, represent
capitalism, and I'm just gonna go with that because I don't
really understand his purpose. Like, he he just like, you know,
uses these girls. He refers to them as like
hamsters in a cage. Doesn't like it kind of seemed
like he was doing like a QB thing but also not doing a QB

(47:04):
thing. It was kind of a mixed bag of
sort of what I thought he was going to be like.
He was funny, but I liked them. But like, what was the point
really? Oh, there was, but the point.
Was for the post credits scene where they pretend that they're
about to give us the answer and then they don't give us the
answer. It's my favorite kind of ending,
one that's like so open-ended that just doesn't give us an

(47:27):
end. Resolution Don't believe, don't
believe with Pat when he does this, I'm like, you know, Pat,
you just like some people actually agree with Pat, like I
totally get it. Like this one.
Well, yeah, 'cause there's no clarity at all on whether he's
evil or not. I mean, maybe, OK, if you want
me to slow down 3 frames per second or something, the, the 10

(47:47):
different episodes that he's in and then analyze each frame, you
know what I mean? Like, oh, if I, if I really went
deep into it, maybe you'd see like the answers right there in
front of you. It's like, no, I don't.
Is he evil or not? You know, is he Koromi or is he
or? I have the answer.
Koromi who? Curlbian Melody, Yeah.

(48:08):
Yeah, it's just whatever. I there's just so many of these
shows out there, I just mix themall up.
Guys. I can't do it.
I don't know. Oh my God.
But is he? Evil or not?
Miles I do I know the answer to this and he is evil.
You can tell because the entire he's not like Cube, a evil where
you have like a Machiavellian plan to like stop Anthropy from

(48:30):
eventually destroying the world and you torment young women to
get that done right. An arc we haven't touched upon
because frankly, it kind of sucks is the Kyoka arc.
And in this, and This is why Kirby is evil.
He goes to her and he's like, oh, you're not spending this
currency. Oh, you know, your friends are

(48:51):
you should do it. And he basically just fucking
bullies her into like spending their moppo and that never
really comes up again. That never really gets addressed
ever. But whatever the point being, he
wants to. He doesn't want these girls to
succeed. He has no desire for them to
succeed. He wants to use them as some
sort of, you know, I don't know,I don't, I don't know, guys.

(49:16):
I genuinely don't know what he gets out of it.
What does he get out of this? I know he's evil in so far as
he's a Dick though. He's skimming off the top and
he's using these magical points for something.
He has a zipper on his back and that's never addressed.
Except in the post credits scene.
Is it? Well, they know they start to

(49:37):
open it and that. Yeah.
OK so I didn't realize episode is that 12?
12, yeah. I did not see the post credit.
Oh, you didn't? No.
Oh my God, I just like. Yeah, you go watch it.
Rolled it up. OK, it's not very long.
It's. Like 15 seconds.
Yeah, it's like a it's. That's what we're talking about

(49:59):
here, by the way, Miles, this whole time I've been talking
about this post credits scene. Yeah, No, it's.
I knew there were some of them. I just, I didn't realize that
the like cause like I where was I?
I was getting my cat spayed and.What are Bob Barker?
Credits rolled them that I I went to do stuff.
Because this this sort of ties into my biggest complaint with

(50:21):
the show itself. And it's one of those things
where I don't like it when people like twist the ending to
like their preference, where it's like, oh, this is not where
I thought it was going. I try to do the approach of why
did the director, why did the writer sort of handle it in this
way? And I can't think of a reason.
Like I just personally did not like the dream part of the end

(50:46):
of episode 12. To me, it's sort of like why?
To me, it's sort of like took away some of the emotion that I
felt from some of the the other arcs because then it made me
it's like, well, did that actually happen?
Because the only one that we knew that got like for sure
happened was the mole guy got arrested.
And so I was like, OK, what elsewas real and what else was fake?

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I didn't really like that approach that they took.
I think that they could have just left it open-ended without
saying it was a dream and it would have been a much more like
better ending in my eyes becausethe girls pretty much solved all
their problems and they're moving on.
I don't understand sort of why they went that approach.

(51:31):
I don't know if you guys had anylike theories or anything of
like why they think they went that way, but to me it was just
something I was just like, Nah. It didn't.
Yeah. What's weird is like, OK, so I,
I I hate you know, it's always adream things, right?
You know, see, see her Bunny girl review for my thoughts on
that. But but this was almost

(51:53):
inoffensive to me because it didn't matter at all.
It didn't affect because like she was dreaming and then they
were like, oh, you were asleep and then they were like,
everything gets the thing. That's your dream.
Yeah, right. Except for the part where we
flew across the sky and giant bean paste bun and landed in a

(52:14):
crowd of our adoring. Yeah, but like the character,
they're like, you know, like thedude got arrested then like, you
know, that they had the all the things that mattered in so far
as like character progression and their friendships and all of
it. Like they they hadn't finished
their witch training yet, but like, it just didn't seem to do

(52:36):
anything other than be weird. It was just weird.
Like, I don't get it. I just don't understand what it
added or did like, at all because it wasn't even like,
shock value, you know, like, oh,actually all of these events
didn't happen because it was like one thing that didn't
happen that didn't matter. I I don't know, I'm with Pete

(53:02):
and you. Yeah, the whole thing was weird.
I mean, so these people must be assuming they're getting a
season 2, right? Like watch the post cred scene.
Yeah, that's what I I did. Because it says series finale in
the post cred scene. Oh, does it?
Yeah, OK, OK, but also OK. But Karo P says foreshadowing.
Yeah, right. That generally implies

(53:23):
something. 'S to come later OK if.
They do, unless they're taking the piss, yeah.
Yeah, I have a feeling. That they're not.
Going to do anything. OK, look.
And not that, you know, I'll change my score if there's a
Season 2. Like straight up I won't.
No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Yeah, we'll see. I don't know.
I mean, we'll give us some detail on Karopi like at least

(53:45):
with like he UB, right? That's the the.
Stupid old guy. From Madoka, like, OK, yeah,
there was some logic to what he was doing, or there was some
explain his reason, yeah. For his existence like what is?
I I also don't think he like, I see what you're saying, whether
where he's evil because he doesn't do anything or because

(54:06):
he like kind of just sits back and and is is mean to them, but
he does. There's no like he's not like
chaotic good neutrally. Like there's nothing there at
all for us to do with anything other than the fact that he's
comedic relief, which is, yeah, that he, he just sort of is
like. He'll set them back sometimes,
but I don't know why. Is he meant to be like a

(54:28):
substitution for entropy or the?You know, like life how life
goes on and and keeps keeps moving.
Like I don't really know. Maybe there's because they gave
him a zipper like you don't do. That without an idea like you
don't that why that that's. Where I'm running into my
problem with the ending. Like there there's reasons for
everything in the show but I'm having such a hard time piercing

(54:52):
it at the end. I'm like, I need to know why if
somebody like if somebody knows in the comments, like I finished
the show a couple hours before recording and I went online to
see if anybody had information. What I don't, there's probably
some out there, but it's not easily accessible.
And I could not find other people's like perspectives on

(55:12):
this. Like I tried for an hour to find
articles or blogs or Youtubes onthis and it's like it's just not
covered in. It's like, I, I don't want to be
dumb and like, say my interpretation of it and
everyone's like, it actually means this.
I'm like, Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense.
And I look like an idiot. No, no, honestly, who?
You can't be dumb, genuinely. No, the clues are not there.

(55:33):
It's impossible. There's no, there's three of us
here that are not. Dumb.
And collectively, if one of the three of us didn't catch it, I
feel like that's usually a good safety net for us not getting,
you know what I mean? Like, if it was just you, I'd
understand. I understand.
Oh, OK, wait. That came out if it was just.
If it was but no, why? Don't you be, but I was.

(55:55):
Funny as hell. That was really funny.
Yeah. Sorry.
No, if it was just you like. What you literally did before we
recorded where you went and and looked, I'd understand why you
went and looked and like what? Because I do that all the time
too. That's why I go to miles half
the time too, where I'm like, man, I really didn't vibe with
the show. Did I just totally miss this
obvious like euphemism or or replacement or or whatever?

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Like, like, did I just miss something?
No, OK. Or oh, I did, but I still don't
like it. OK, cool.
You know, like that's what we do.
And so I think the fact that allthree of us are sitting here
completely lost unless it's likean Akira type situation where we
just don't know the specific historical minor event.
That happened in Japan. In that specific year, in the

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specific time of this being made, then I don't think we're
wrong for that. You know, we're dumb for that,
you know, so I don't know, but we spent a lot of time.
I just do like an example because like.
Shout the Eagle, who is like thebiggest Maibashi wishes fan I
think I've ever seen. But like there's like I said,
episode one, they mentioned how like women were being rejected
from universities and Eagle found like a report about how

(57:02):
like medical universities were rejecting women in a accepting
men more. And like, that's what the tie in
to that statement was in Episode1.
So I was told to be like, hey, do you got anything for episode
12? It's like, we got nothing.
I was like, damn it, the shot ofthe eagle for everything.
That he'd like posted in like watch.
Club that was super sick and 100% it was.

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I don't. Know now you you just mentioned
that. I thought of that again.
Where it's like they bring up this real issue where women were
being discriminated against by all of these, like, medical
universities, like, systemically, but actually that
girl was just kind of dumb. Yeah.
Yeah, that's terrible. OK, All right, we should stop.
Before we get to yeah, it gets too deep again, though, but I do

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see that that that is a good point though, Pete and and
again, I do agree to shout out eagle all the wonderful things
that they put they put in our anime club channel, which by the
way, you can see if you join thediscord.
Yes, come plus come talk Meibachi witches with us.
Come talk future shows with us. We won't buy these except for
the shows. Yeah, and you can vote for the

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shows if. You join a discord.
Miles learned from the bats and.Learned to bite yeah there we go
wow that's a deep pull too wow I'm I'm 3 for three so far boys
let's go all right let's do our closing thoughts on our final
scores though 'cause we are going to run out of time here
soon so miles, what have you gotfor us in terms of closing
thoughts in your final score thething I just said and repeat it

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God I'm still you know I'm. I'm still not sure.
This is a really neat show from this perspective where I think
it it it takes these issues and it talks about them earnestly
and I think that I, I. Do have issues with the way?
That it it goes about some things, but it sounds like and

(58:54):
it's This is why we have these conversations, right?
For someone like like Pete, who isn't afraid of, you know, like,
like I was like of like causing my son or my wife to be like in
a choco situation, but is, has been in that situation.
It, it's different, right. So you have like this
perspective that you come from and it sounds like it's earnest

(59:16):
and everything. And so I, I think I can
appreciate about that it about that, even if I think from my
perspective, it handles some things incorrectly because the
world is complicated and kind ofmessy and nothing's perfect.
There are there are some things that I think you know, like some
of these arcs and stuff I thought were wrapped up pretty
well. I thought the the thing about I

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don't know, we didn't get to talk about Kyoka.
I thought the Kyoka arc was weird.
It was weird. I I thought it was.
And that's the thing. There are just.
Some things in this show that I think are just kind of weird,
like the Karopi one with him notbearing any brunt for what has
happened to the girls and the situations he puts them in and

(59:58):
convincing them to do things. At the end, they're just like be
nicer to us. And he's like sure thing like he
can't be capitalism because of the moral of this is ask
capitalism to be nicer to you. We know that's not going to
work. So like that's not the free
market. That's that sounds.

(01:00:19):
Like social opposite? Yeah, like the bad thing.
The bad Yeah, We don't like that.
We don't like being. Nice to people but, and that's
why I was mean to Pete earlier and not because I'm insecure.
Definitely just like Azu. Hey, I'm not trying to lose
weight. Because.
I'm insecure, Wink. We all have our own.

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Yeah, right. Who cares?
And. It's tough for me.
I think that thinking about it, I think everyone can pull
something from the show that they will like.
And I also think there will be aspects of the show that most
people, except for Eagle, don't like.
He gave the show an end, by the way.

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What? Yeah, that's insane.
That's in pot. Now he has to opt that because
I've never seen anyone put in. This was insane.
Massively crafted 8 out of 10. OK, 8 is a.
Super. OK score.
That's fine. I completely understand someone
giving this an 8. Yeah, that makes perfect sense

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to me. That's bizarre.
OK anyways. My own thoughts.
I wish we'd gotten to talk aboutthe Kyoko arc a little bit more,
but I think it's good that we talked about the stuff that we
sort of vibed with a little moreand got into like the different
perspectives and everything. I really like like Choko and
Ewan and as you and I actually really like Kyoko as a
character. I thought my was a bit of a
nothing burger. Do anything.

(01:01:46):
Until now, yeah. Like I I mentioned her to talk
about her friend. Who was mean to her?
But like, that's it. I don't know.
So I'm gonna give this A7, I'm gonna give it a seven.
I think to me it was like A6 or A7.
I think that though there, I think it was earnest.
I think that whoever made this really cared about what they
were trying to say. And they did it in a sort of

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unique way where they sort of try to take things maybe more
realistically and sort of show the, the goods and the bads of
life and sort of rolling with the punches in some ways, though
I don't necessarily agree with all of it.
I think that this was crafted tobe a piece of art.
And I, I can't, you know, as long as someone's earnestly

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creating. Something I can't fault them.
For what they're trying to express, really, as long as it's
like an earnest, heartful thing.So I I'm going to say 7.
There are parts of this show I really liked.
There are parts of the show I didn't like.
There are parts of the show they're weird.
They're just a weird show. We'll see if we ever get more.
I don't know, 7 out of 10. I have no idea this could be a.

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5 or A8 in two months. Cool, cool.
All right, Pete, What? About you.
Since we didn't touch on my I, the only thing.
That why like I didn't really like resonate with her is
because like I don't really givea shit about like social media
and like numbers and stuff. Like obviously you could tell
like our YouTube subscriber counts.
Like I'm not really creating content to, you know, fight the

(01:03:15):
algorithm type of thing. I'm just here to have fun.
So like, I think that's why I didn't really like connect with
my because it's like, sure, I have Twitter, but like I tweet
like twice a month or something.So don't really care about that.
I want to give a shout to the funniest scene all year in
episode 11 when Ozu tackles Yunaand it's like, and the tear

(01:03:36):
drops on her face and she like gets like the realization and
they're like, you remember? She's like, no, this is just
where I thought I would remembereverything.
Incredible. Literally the funniest thing
I've seen all year. I love that scene.
And also, I want to give Eagle give me a piece of fun trivia.
The person who voices the last person of like that's coming in
at the end of episode 12 is KanaHanazawa.

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That's kind of cool that they got her just like pinned for
like 12 seconds in the show. That was really fun, man.
This show is just it's exactly like one direct priority for me.
Like I love what they were presenting.
I love what they were building up to.
The cast was great. I love the the mix between of
like different personalities. I think Una is actually a
fantastic MCI. Love that character, that style

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of character. I've actually thought like her
arc was really good. Like I really liked, sort of
like. Talking about how she has a hard
time finding friends, keeping friends, that her grandpa was
her best friend and he's no longer alive and like she's
struggling to find like a new, you know, friendship in her

(01:04:45):
life. And I, I, I thought that it was
just handled like really well because she's like always true
to herself. Like she's weird.
Like, yeah, these are mad vibes.Like nobody says that.
Like nobody does that. But like she does because she
thinks it's fun. Like, and I, I, I just thought
like that type of character. I mean, I just love characters
out of themselves. That's me.

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Like I just do whatever I want, whenever I want.
And I wear free written T-shirtsat the grocery store.
Like I don't care. And so I like that character
with Una just like it, it was like it was touched in a manner
that was kind of heavy, but likebecause of her character, it
kind of cut the tension a lot. So like I kind of like that
balance between the two. So shout to her for being like

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the glue of everybody. I thought she was like a
fantastic, like, I don't think she's going to make our best
girl for anime of the year, but like if I had a top ten, like my
personal, like she's probably top ten this year.
I I really, really enjoyed her character a lot.
Sort of like Milo said, two of the two of the arcs hit way
harder than the other ones. Those are my focal points.

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I loved how that was handled, but I hate how it ended to make
me kind of question if what we saw was real, If the emotions I
felt were sort of what they werelike representing in the show.
Like I understand the the message, but like it maybe not
being real kind of like left me in a funk.
Like I was like, maybe I didn't like this.

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Show as much as I. Did if what I saw wasn't the
same, though, because of that, I'm going to docking a few
points, but I do think this is like a really good show, but it
did the wonder egg. I just loved what set up and but
I hated the ending. I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10, eight out of. 10 I'm ready. I'll be quick.
Just cuz yeah, we are running pretty long here just doing the

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math off to the side because that's what I do.
I think one under the thing I wish we talked more about was
how funny Ewina is as a character.
I think like Pete mentioned the joke in episode 11 was very
funny. She's charming and I think that
I really liked to show starts off and it's a me like, Oh yeah,
she's this is like crope appearsand it's like, oh, you're in

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this magical place and doing this, whatever, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she just takes it and runs
with it, which I appreciate rather than the classic like, Oh
my God, I don't know what I'm doing.
Why am I here? You know, like freak out that
witch. Granted, totally realistic, but
it's just to be very. Clear it's 2.
I I just. Thought it was a fun subversion

(01:07:19):
of expectations, I guess that she's just like immediately,
like, oh hell yeah, let's do it.Let's lock in.
I'm a witch now, you know, like we're doing this thing.
I I really enjoyed that and I enjoyed her character
throughout. So I didn't really care for many
of the other members, to be honest.
I kind of was all in on the, the, the, the lead in Una, but
everyone else was solid other than yeah, my or whatever.

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I don't even really I could not remember a single thing about
her other than the fact that shehad the social media account.
But yes, I think I am kind of mid on this genre as a whole.
So I'm I am not the perfect frame of reference.
I think we got a good balance ofgood things I liked about the
show that we talked about. And things I didn't.

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So I think I am somewhere in thesix range for now.
If we do get more and it turns out that Karopi has more going
on behind the scenes or something along those lines, I
could definitely see myself bumping it up.
But I think a lot of the flaws that we talked about with the
show are pretty pertinent to my enjoyment of it.
Absolutely beautiful though there.
There's got to be some awesome screen grabs and again, Eagle

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did a great job of doing those already.
But the background art in the show is something to behold.
And if they really held nothing back with it, so good on them
for that with the show. But yeah, so that brings our
total score averaging out to a very nice and easy round Number
for me to a 7.00, which is pointO1 below what it is on Mao.

(01:08:45):
So that's a pretty, pretty good job, guys.
Well done. We did a very, very good job of
balancing our scores and doing what our Mao overlords tell us
to do. But yeah, that wraps up.
That's got to be the closest right that we've ever been.
I think so, just because it's often there's.
Not often a round. Number, you know, because with
with our numbers, with our size of our group, it's hard for us.

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The only way for us to get the exact number would for the be
for the decimal to end in 0 mostoften.
Let me tell you guys I could do this.
Math very quickly. OK, so there's another one
that's .0. One off I can tell you.
Which is summer ghost. We were .01 off 00 completely
flat, 100% even sound euphonium.Oh right on.

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Oh, that could like an eighth orsomething.
Yep, that makes sense. Oh, here's another 0.1.
For funsies, Mononoke. We are. .01 off, we had 8.43 and
it has an 8.42 all right. Other way around.
It has an 8.43, we give it 8.42.But yeah, so I mean, it's about

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as close as you can get except for sound euphonium apparently,
and maybe sound euphonium's mouse score has changed, I don't
know. True.
Who? Yeah.
That's a very good. Point too about what's changed,
or has it? I'd be very curious to see what
that was like. But that would mean going back
and listening to every single one of our episodes.
So I think I'm good on that for now.
Some detective out there wants to do it.
They're welcome to. But yeah, I guess we stalled

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long enough miles. We had some very exciting voting
going on as our final hour was counted down.
We were in the witching hour where losses became wins and
wins became losses. So please take it away.
What won for our voting. Yes.
So we had. We had a.
Very tight race. And so in 3rd place we.

(01:10:38):
Had and. This is how we'll do it.
In 3rd place we had Lazarus with19 points, in second place we
had Nazuka and in first place wehad Zombieland Saga at 21
points, so 19/20/21. Now per our rules Lazarus has
four legacy points so it goes to21 and tie breaks with
Zombieland Saga. So we will be watching Lazarus.

(01:11:02):
Wow. Zombieland doesn't have a single
legacy point. I think we only have recorded
OK. I think.
I think. Because if it got nominated it
was like 4. Years ago when?
I took worse notes. Makes sense.
Yeah. And I think of the only time
I've nominated it, I do feel. Like I have was like for like a
Halloween episode because I didn't know what else to do.
Because that, again, most of us have already seen it, right?

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Like pretty much everyone in ourour group has.
And it's we all love it and we've all said a lot of great
things. So I think that that's probably
why it happened. But again, if there is supposed
to have been a legacy point, then oopsies.
And that's our fault for having bad notes.
So it's specifically my fault, Iwill say.
Oh, I should remember too though, because I I do think I

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am the. One who originally nominated it
way back in the day. So either way, yeah, we are
watching Lazarus, so we can thatthat should be a spicy episode,
I think, where we're going to find out if it was worth
dropping or not. It's just crazy that of
everybody in our. Discord I think two people
finished it like I I'm not even exaggerating why I think it's 2.

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I want to give a shout out to our discord then.
Because all of you hypocrites voted for it.
Yeah, because you'll be a fucking mess.
I'm excited. For a mess I'm actually excited
for though. For for once, I'm excited.
But yeah, I guess that means we have to nominate shows now.
This is for our October 6th episode, so Full Metal Alchemist

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episode representatives are the only ones that are allowed.
That's as close as we'll get to it.
I I'm off by a few days. No mean.
We're Mean Girls. You can nominate Mean Girls too.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, Miles, what are you nominating for our October?
Yeah. So we're going to keep up.
Our portrait of Petite Gazette, because I think we have one more
voting cycle before we vote for horror shows.

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So I would love to get an extra legacy point in there before
that happens. And so we're we're just going to
do that. That's what we're going for.
Nice. All right, Pete, what about you?
Yeah, so last Saturday I did. A panel on Uma museme and I
spent like 20 hours doing a bunch of research and I did a

(01:13:09):
bunch of research on part of a new museme that I haven't
watched it. So I said fuck it, there's only
three of us. It's getting a legacy point.
I'm dominating Uma museme. Pretty Derby.
Beginning of a new era. It's gonna win.
It's a movie. And Pat, I don't.
Think there's any idle scene in this movie?
You. You had me.
I you know what? I'm gonna give it my. 3rd place

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vote. Just let's go you.
Actually will. Give it my second place vote
even. I guess or not even of well, how
do Yeah, we'll figure this out another we can vote for our own
show. Third, it all cancels out.
Yeah, we did it. Yeah, that's what we did.
We did it guys. Nice job.
Alrighty, yeah, and I guess I will keep the train rolling on

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this show because I do love it and I would love to talk about
it and we're getting a movie much very soon, so maybe we can
do watch clubs all the way building up to it.
Who knows? I'm gonna nominate Zombieland
saga. I'm like, was it Jolene who
nominated it last time? I think I'll keep the train
rolling. I cannot wait to talk.
I love talking about that show. I've watched it two or three
Times Now. It's so good, So, so good.

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So, yeah. But I think that that wraps up
our watch club. So thank you guys so much for
listening. And Pete, take it away.
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into the last season of the year, or we'll be doing a fall
preview going over all the new properties and some sequels.

(01:14:38):
It looks like to be a pretty whatever season, which is going
to be kind of nice since summer was insane.
So I get a nice break hopefully next season, but we shall see.
So we'll be doing our preview with that next week.
Otherwise, if you are here for Watch Club, we will see you in
two weeks for possibly the worstanime of 2025, Lazarus.

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Thanks and we'll see you next time.
Bye, bye, bye bye.