A Rib, A River, and Really Bad Directions to Eden

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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, hello everyone , Welcome to what in the Bible.
We are two sisters readingthrough Genesis to Revelation
for the first time and askingthe question that every new
believer is thinking what in theBible?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
What's up everybody.
My name is Jenna.
In this week's episode we aregoing to be discussing our
reading of Genesis, chapter 2.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Woohoo, and for those of you that don't know me, I'm
Audrey.
Welcome to our next episode.
We just want to take a momentto thank everyone who has
listened to our episode so far.
The outpouring of love that youguys have sent us has meant the
world to us.
I really, I don't think eitherone of us have really.

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I mean, we, we planned on doingthis podcast, but I think we
were kind of like oh yeah, sure,we'll do a podcast, you know,
but to actually do it and tohave it out there and to have
the response that we've had fromour friends and family, it
really truly does mean the world.
So thank you guys for taking thetime to listen and to give us
your feedback.
Yeah, speaking of had some.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, we definitely had some.
Probably the most loving andhonest feedback that we've
received was from my 10-year-oldWell, nine, I keep saying 10
because he's so close to turning10 and he keeps saying that
he's 10.
So, anyways, my nine-year-oldson has been our biggest support
and fan.

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To be totally honest, he isjust the sweetest kid he has.
I have a picture of him thathe's on our couch and he's got
his laptop on his lap and he'sgot his headphones on, he's got
his bible out with his penciland his highlighter and he's got
the biggest smile on his face.
He's giggling at something thatwe said, because, of course, he
understands our humor becausehe's around us a lot.

(02:05):
But anyways, yeah, he sat thereand just dutifully listened to
the entire thing, followed along, came afterwards and was like
mom, I just loved your podcast.
You and auntie Audrey are soawesome.
You guys did such a good joband you answered so many
questions that I had, and andthen he kind of was quiet, you
know, and just kind of smiled atme and I'm like, okay, that's

(02:29):
all really sweet.
So like, let's get down to it,because I know that you'll be
honest, he really just impressedme because he has such an
awareness of other people'sfeelings and he knew that he
wanted to give some constructivecriticism, but he wanted to do
it in a very loving way, so hewas careful with his words.
But he was like so really great,lots, lots of info in there,

(02:54):
maybe too much.
He's like because you know, mom, you got to think like there
could be people listening thathaven't read the Bible and
that's kind of a big part ofwhat you guys want to do it's
for new believers or firsttimers reading the Bible.
And he was like I could seewhere there are moments where
it's overwhelming becausethere's so much this and there's

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so much that, and he's like Mom, they might not even know who
Moses is yet.
And I'm like you know whatthat's such great advice,
because I think that we maybetend to get a little bit carried
away with.
This happened.
And then you know, over in here, this happened and even though
we're new at it, we do havesomewhat of a knowledge.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
And we've heard lots of sermons, so that helps.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I think it was great feedbackand reflecting back.
We were like you know what?
Yeah, that's a great point,yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, I love everything about that because he
I mean I just when you weretalking right now, I thought
about that scripture where Jesusis basically thanking that God
has revealed things to littlechildren.
You know when he's I think it'swhen he's talking to the right
before he feeds the 5,000, whichI'm taking from the scene in

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the Chosen and what I have readin the gospel.
But I think that God says to bea believer, like a child.
I mean I just love that, I lovethat.
He's just so into it.
And that picture I mean I wishwe could show you guys that
picture because it's thesweetest thing.
He is diving headfirst in, hasall of his stuff out and it's
just, it's the sweetest thinghe's.
He is diving headfirst in, like, has all of his stuff out and

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he's just smiling, this smile ofjust pure joy and just like
really I mean enjoying it.
But then also for him to comewith that considerate, you know,
feedback in a loving way, thatwas just that meant the world.
But on that note, yeah, I thinkyou know, after that we were
kind of like okay, you know,while we still, I think, want to
dive deep into a lot of thesechapters, I think it would be

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helpful to mention you guysdon't have to like, just read,
you know what we're reading.
In fact, I think and I don'tknow how you know you're reading
, as Vince says, but for me Iusually try and jump around a
little bit I think it really isimportant, if you haven't read
the Gospels, to maybe startthere and you can read the
Gospels, you know, while you'realso listening to this podcast

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and then reading each chapter aswe go along, and luckily we are
, for now, taking this onechapter at a time about biweekly
.
So all of that to say, I thinkthat you can take your time,
read the Gospels while you'realso, you know, reading one
chapter at a time with us in thebook that we're in, and that
may help clarify a lot of thingsand help build your knowledge.

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If you haven't read it, or youknow, when we start talking
about some of these people thatwe haven't actually gotten to
yet, that will hopefully maybehelp clear some things up.
Absolutely cool, all right, sowe were going to try and
memorize scripture.
Oh no, what's laughing is Idon't know that either one of us

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has it like nailed down.
But that's okay, that's thepoint, right, I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Do you want to go first?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Sure.
Okay, I'm not going to look atyou because I've okay, I know we
sat down and Audrey asked aboutour memorizing and I just
looked at her kind of like I'llattempt it.
She's over there like trying tomemorize it again.

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Yeah, I'm like okay, how Godcreated mankind in his own image
.
In the image of God he createdmale and female.
He created them.
I think I'm off a few words butit just repeats itself kind of.
So I just have to like say thefirst part and then kind of you
know reword it, but yeah verygood job.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, don't get on me , I tried.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's close, yeah, you know it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I listened to a local radio station here, 91.1 KLB, I
think, KNLB.
Sorry, it's basically like thelocal Christian radio station
and they have in the afternoonsthey have Treehouse One, which
is like a kids-based ministrywith Miss Debbie and those kids
yeah, they call in and it's sucha blessing to hear them.

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I mean anywhere from like fiveto like 12 to 15, like they span
all sorts of ages, and that'swonderful.
Yeah, they call in and MissDebbie's always, like you know,
asking them to.
You know read a scripture oryou know a scripture that
they've memorized.
And, oh my gosh, some of themand some of them get to choose,
and a lot of them actually shegives them a scripture and they

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have to recite it.
They're not like in thebeginning God created the
heavens and the earth.
It's like Paul.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it's like you know, line by line by line, and
they nail it almost every singletime and I'm just, I'm super
impressed.
I love that.
Yeah, again, gotta have thingslike a child, all right.
So with that I think I'm goingto try and attempt mine.
Mine was Genesis 1, 1 through 2.
In the beginning, god createdthe heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless andempty and darkness was covering

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the surface of the deep and theHoly Spirit was hovering over
the waters.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Bravo.
I was forgetting like thedarkness part of it, but I don't
know.
I almost feel like this is agood point to say, like we
should be memorizing scripture,but not just to memorize it, you
know, to be able to recite itback.
I think it really should beagain to like have it as tools
in our armor right to be able tobe used, but I mean obviously

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in chapter one one.
It was kind of like oh, whichone can we?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
pick.
Yes, how can we apply this toour daily lives and remember it
for our armor?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
yeah, yeah.
So I think for me, I think,just remembering that you know
again in the beginning how westarted, and that formlessness,
that void, and the holy spirithovering I just again love that
hovering concept.
So, yeah, anywho, okay Gettinginto chapter two.
So, sis, did you have any majorwhat in the Bible moments?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
There is a pretty big topic in here that I'm that I
had questions with at first andI think a lot of people are
going to, and it's the wholethat I had questions with at
first and I think a lot ofpeople are going to, and it's
the whole why did God create thetree of knowledge of good and

(09:36):
evil, you know?
Like why even make it if,ultimately, he knew that
humankind was going to fallshort and sin?
So I did look into that quite alot.
But I think that's a goodquestion that a lot of people
have, especially new believers,where you're wondering, you know
, it almost makes it seem alittle bit cruel in a way, like
why would God set us up to fail,so to speak?
It can be perceived that way.

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So that's kind of my big one.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That is hilarious, because I wrote down the exact
same thing.
You did, I was like why did Godplace a tree of life and the
tree of knowledge of good andevil?
Yeah, because I was right therewith you, like why would God
even give man the opportunity tofall like that?
So I don't know what were yourthoughts going through that
question.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, my first thought was it was kind of a
test of obedience and kind ofall wrapped into our free will,
so to speak.
You know, God doesn't want usto be robots.
He wants us to choose himwillingly.
Otherwise, you know, what kindof relationship is it if you
don't actually have to choose it?
It's just kind of there chooseit.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's just kind of there.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
So then, when I kind of looked into it more and again
like I'm not saying that I knowthat this is the truth or this
is exactly why this happened.
I don't think anybody can sithere and say they know the
reasonings behind what God does.
But I think maybe it was God'sredemption plan.
His whole plan was to sendJesus as our Savior and for us

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to need our Savior.
So I really think that that waspart of it.
He wanted our obedience, hewanted us to have free will to
choose him and then, because Godalways works multiple angles at
a time, you know he's alwaysgot multiple things in motion.
So I think it was all part ofhis redemption plan, because if
we didn't know that we neededhim to be saved, why would we do

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it?
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Absolutely.
I love that.
That's exactly what I wasthinking, because the free will
especially.
I found it interesting that hementioned two trees the tree of
life and then the tree ofknowledge, of good and evil, and
when I dug a little deeper, youknow I like to look at the root
words and all of that.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yes, I love that.
I actually took one.
I'm going to attempt thatmyself this episode, so you're
inspiring me.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh good, yeah, I mean it's important, right?
So when you look up knowledge,it actually interprets as
cunning, unintentionalinterprets as cunning,
unintentional awareness.
What, yeah?
And then I also, for somereason, I felt the need to break

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it down.
So it's not only knowledge ofgood and evil, because I just
think, okay, good and evil, likeyou know, it always goes hand
in hand.
But it's knowledge of good andit's knowledge of evil, it's
both right.
And I found it interesting alsothat there's not really much
more mention of the tree of life.
Scripture mentions both treesbeing planted in the middle.
So they're, like I imagine them, side by side, in the middle,

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but God only commands Adam tonot eat of the tree of knowledge
.
So I don't know why, like in mymind, I was like why that's an
interesting distinction betweenthe two, like both are in the
same place.
But this knowledge of good andevil was the only one that he
commanded not to eat.
And then, of course, he goes onto say because you'll surely die

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, which I also thought wasinteresting, because this tree
equates, almost equates, death.
And then it's sitting or it'splanted right next to or in the
same area as the tree of life.
So I thought that was kind ofinteresting to have that balance
there.
Yeah, but again to your point,I completely agree, like I think
God definitely gave us from thevery beginning, gave man free

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will and commanded us not to dosomething, commanded Adam not to
do something, you know, andthereby set up the choice to
either listen or to disobey.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think it's so interesting too, where God is
saying you know, you can't eatfrom that.
He was providing in full toAdam and Eve that entire time.
It's not like, oh, you can'teat from that.
He was providing in full toAdam and Eve that entire time.
It's not like, oh, you can'teat from that, but I know that
you're hungry, kind of thing,like they were provided for in
every sense of the word, likeplentifully, and they had

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everything they needed.
It was just they weren'tallowed to do that thing, and
then they still chose it.
And I think you can reallyapply that to life.
Even today.
It might not be so cut andclear or so black and white, but
God provides for us always inevery aspect, and we still don't
see it.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Right, the word that comes to my mind is contentment.
Yeah, anytime that you're askingfor more, anytime you're
ungrateful for what you do have,for what you have been provided
for, that's almost like sayingthat you're not content with
what God has already given you.
So, yeah, I love that.
That's a really good point and,for sure, definitely something
that I think a lot of people do,and maybe they don't

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intentionally like I'm not goingto intentionally go out and sin
, right, but and I think that'sagain that knowledge word, that
cunning, because we describe thedevil all the time he's cunning
, right, he's tricky, I mean, hedoesn't.
It's not like in your face, I'mgoing to make you sin in this
way.
He goes about in a way that youdon't even recognize.
So I think, to understand thatknowledge piece as cunning, it's

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like wow, it's literally likeopening a door for the devil to
come in.
Yes, you know, and it may seemlike you're just eating a piece
of fruit, you know, but it'sthat act and what that does, the
door that that opens for sin tocome in.
Yeah, that's really good, allright, anything, any other big

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what in the Bible?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I did become somewhat fascinated with Genesis 2, 22
through 24.
This might not be how this issupposed to be interpreted.
This is just another thing thatI kind of looked into because
it was very intriguing to me.
Okay, so where in Genesis 2.21,and it says so the Lord God
caused the man to fall into adeep sleep and while he was
sleeping he took one of theman's ribs and then closed up
the place with flesh.
Then the Lord God made a womanfrom the rib.

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So, me being not superknowledgeable of what exactly
I'm reading, I looked into thatbecause I'm like, well, my
sister's a nurse, my husband's afirefighter, so obviously I
know that the anatomy of a manand woman's ribs is the same.

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Because I'm like, well, okay,if I was reading this for the
first time, or if I'm justputting myself in the place of
somebody who was reading it forthe first time, just reading
that, so literally like one ribwas taken, kind of thing, that's
where my brain would go.
So I started looking into that.
I'm going to botch this, sodon't judge me no judgment.

(16:44):
The Hebrew translation for ribis okay.
Selah saying that wrong whichcan actually mean side.
So God potentially took a sideof Adam and created Eve and you

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can look at this in kind of theway of like one half of Adam.
Again, this is kind of where Iwent with it.
If this is wrong, I apologize,look into it yourselves, don't
take my word for it.
Yeah, do your own due diligence.
But this kind of goes on inGenesis.
Let's see here 2.24, when itsays this is why a man leaves

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his father and mother and isunited to his wife and they
become one flesh.
So I really took that like godtook half of adam, created eve,
and that was not only in kind ofa symbolic gesture, for when we
come together as one fleshbefore god, I was like whoa,
that's kind of like an ahamoment.
That makes a lot more sense andmaybe also possibly a little

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symbolic because and this kindof trails into another part that
I got out of the reading butside maybe is also representing
how females come from a male'sside, not from like below his
feet or not from here.
So it's kind of like ourpartnership being represented in

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a way where we are equal toeach other, we compliment each
other, we help one another.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
That is awesome.
That's what I got out of it.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm kind of rambling because I can't quite get it all
out.
I have it all written down inlike sections and I'm like, okay
, I gotta.
I'm like that picture where theguy's at the board, you know,
and his eyes look crazy, andhe's got all these.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
All the strings attaching to everything else.
Yeah, exactly.
No, that's so good.
You worded it so perfectly.
I'm so proud.
I don't know that I could dothat any any more.
Justice, honestly, oh.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm sure you could.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, no, I, I agree wholeheartedly.
And I think you know our Bible,we have the study Bible and I
think it does talk about thatand I absolutely think that this
is pointing to the covenantmarriage, right?
So God fully intended for manto have partner, to, you know,
for marriage.
From the very beginning, herein Genesis, chapter two, he's

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creating marriage.
Yeah, I mean, I think that'spretty profound, the fact that
marriage is right up there withcreation.
You know what I mean?
He creates Adam first andbasically assigns him dominion
over the earth.
Has Adam assigned names to allthe animals?
And then God created Adam withcharacteristics of needing a

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partner.
He created Adam with this needto have a partner and so,
knowing that, he, you know,placed him in the garden meeting
, brought him all these animalsand he's like it's not good for
a man to be alone, let me createa helper for him.
I think he did that first andthen he brought in the animals.
But then, yeah, he createswomen, like you said, from his
side, because I am a nurse, soI'm like, okay, rib, Do men have

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one less rib than women?
Right, exactly, that definitelypops in your brain, yeah, but I
mean then it says, you know Godclosed up the place with flesh.
So I think that closed up, likein my mind, I'm thinking, okay,
he just like covered it, rightand he left it as is.
But God restores, like he's notgoing to leave anything
unhealed.
You know he's going to providecomplete restoration.

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So I fully believe that hereplaced.
Well, I don't know, maybe inAdam's case because he did, you
know, create Eve from the rib,maybe he didn't replace the rib,
I don't know.
But I really do think that Adamwas, you know, left whole, in a
sense that physically he waswhole.
But Eve woman was created to,like you said, join together,
unite.
I looked up unite and I thinkthere's a whole nother

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conversation that we could haveabout the women being the helper
.
But the word unite is alsotranslated as cleave or cling,
or adhere, follow close Hardafter Pursue hard.
To me that just sounds like avery permanent thing.
Adhere, like you know, when youthink of adhesive, it's like a

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bond, it's not something thatcan easily be broken.
The use of the word hard, theseare all terms to me that is
saying this is something we dobecome one flesh in marriage and
it's not something that shouldever be separated.
And that's how God intendedmarriage between one man and one
woman.
And so, reading through theBible and all the study notes,

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it was saying how women, likeyou said, were made alongside
men, out of their side, to beequal to them, differing in
roles and function, but equal.
And then I don't know, I didn'treally dig much more into
marriage because I get a little,admittedly, I'm sorry, lord, I

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need more, more of your wisdomin this.
But that representation betweenman and woman, that marriage
covenant, but it's also meant toreflect the relationship
between God and His people andJesus and His church.
So I think a lot of us in modernday times we're thinking
marriage that's man and woman,and then, you know, we become

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one flesh which you know canrepresent many things, like one
household, but also like anintimate way, right, and I mean
clearly, like when we think ofmarriage in terms of the, you
know, between God and hiscreation, we don't think about
it in like that, like physically, like intimate way, like we do
between husband and wife, butthat intimacy, that relationship

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is still there and is stillwhat God intended.
So, again, I'm not like I still, I still have questions
surrounding that, because I'mlike I'm trying to picture the
church as the bride and likeJesus is the bridegroom.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So you know, yeah, I like that.
I did have some notes as wellabout female being the helper,
just because I feel like even intoday's world that can be
interpreted to use kind of fordominancy from the husband to

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the wife.
I'm not saying that I know whatit really means.
I'm just saying from what we'velearned in sermons from our
pastor and what we've read andresearched and whatnot, I came
across something that was reallyinteresting that God describes
himself using the same word forhelper throughout the Old

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Testament, so saying that, oh,you know, god needed to create a
helper for Adam again thepartnership like you talked
about.
But also because the word helpercan also mean to nourish or
sustain, and God used it forhimself through the Old
Testament.
The woman was created in theimage of God and her creation as

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a helper to the man actuallyreflects aspects of the
character of God, especially,you know, just the nourishing,
sustaining and protecting careof his children.
So as helpers, or as Eve was ahelper for Adam, it's literally
attributes of God, like you said, how we're both equal but we

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have different attributes.
So I just thought that wasreally neat, that we have our
own strong role to play and it'sside by side, right.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And again planned from the beginning.
It wasn't like an afterthought.
Women were not an afterthoughtto God, I think our Bible
actually says.
I thought it was superinteresting because it said God
created the man and the woman inhis image with physical and
emotional needs that onlyanother human being could meet.
So like that right there, likeGod created Adam with these
needs that only another humancould meet, so knowing that he

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was going to create this helperfor man, yeah, and yeah, like
you said, I love that.
But the attributes of God, toknow that women were made with
this helping attribute and thathe refers to that, you know that
description of himself as thehelper.
And then, I don't know if youprobably looked up, you

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mentioned it a couple ofdifferent times.
And then you know I went to theroot word of, I think, helper,
and it's azar to surround,protect or aid, which you
mentioned.
And then sakur, sakaur, sakaur,sakur.
I don't know, I'm not veryliterate, sorry, your best guess
is better than mine.

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But that and I had to Googlethat because I'm like what does
that mean?
But it means to assist andsupport in times of hardship and
distress and not to say thatmen aren't tough because they
are.
But you know, when I think ofthat emotional toughness and
that supportive, that helping,especially when times get hard.

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And you know, when kids gethurt, who do they run to like?
you know that again, that holyspirit hovering over the earth
like that mother hen, likecovering over and protecting her
children, her chicks, you knowwhat I mean like I just love
that and I've never been morehappy to be a woman.
Yeah, you know, and this is byno means like a Go Women podcast

(26:14):
, but we could talk about thatthough, right, because I think
these days, you know this wholefeminism movement and we don't
need no man Right.
Exactly this strive forindependence, like I feel like
that almost takes us fartheraway from who we actually are
and like who god intended us tobe.
You know who?
He created us to be.

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You know the role, the functionthat he gave us, and I am just
so blessed to be a mom.
I really like looking at it inthis way and just knowing like,
yeah, god created us, knowingthat we were going to be needed
to help, support and protect andto help through hard times.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah.
Yeah, we weren't anafterthought, we were needed
from the beginning.
Yeah, I also think that's alittle bit like the enemy at
work too the whole feminismmovement and again, like there
is nothing wrong with not beingmarried, being a woman and not
being married, there's nothingwrong with that at all.
But I think it's almost to thepoint now where it's looked down
upon.
If you're a little moretraditional, if you're married,
if you're home with the kids, ifyou're working and have kids, I

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mean it's a little bit likefrowned upon almost in today's
society, where I think thatthat's kind of like the enemy at
hand, where it pulls us further, like you said, from God's
overall plan.
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Right, absolutely and well.
And that's what the enemy does,right.
He distorts.
You know what God does?
It's always this, likecounterfeit right.
So Ephesians chapter five,talks a lot about the roles in
the household, including parents, including children, including
husband, including wife.
Like you mentioned, our pastorhas sorry, I almost name dropped

(27:48):
there Like you mentioned ourpastor has.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Sorry, I almost name dropped there.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Sure, you know he has talked about that.
And I think the differentiationthere.
Genesis, chapter 2, it refersto women as the helper right.
It doesn't explicitly saysubmit, which I think in

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Ephesians, chapter 5 is maybenot the first time we hear that
word introduced in terms of theroles between husband and wife,
but I think that's the piecethat's hard to swallow for a lot
of women because you know, wedon't want to submit Again.
We have been reared in thisculture where it's like if you
are submissive it's frowned upon, it's distasteful.
You know it's this drive to beour own powerful, independent
woman.
But when you break down again,you have to break down that word

(28:38):
.
And it's not submissive in apoint to assign lordship to the
husband.
Right, it's not.
Wives must do everything yourhusbands tell you kind of thing.
And also important to know thisis in terms of believers right,

(29:00):
it's not your unbelievinghusband and you're maybe a
believer, but you have to.
And I'm sorry, guys, we don'tfully intend to like make this
about.
You know, women, and maybe weshould be talking a little bit
more about the male side ofthings here, because I don't
want this to be just, like youknow, a podcast geared towards
women but all of this is acohesive working together

(29:23):
relationship.
Men, out of love for their wives, honor them and protect them
and acknowledge their needs andfulfill their needs.
Yeah, I think Ephesians 5 saysChrist did Right, christ loved
the church Right.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
And that servant leadership, right, it's so funny
that came up with my daughter.
She was playing queen and kings.
Her brother was coming over.
She chose to make her brotherthe king for some reason and she
was a queen.
I'm just going to say it's likeChronicles of Narnia and
they're, you know, siblingrulers, anyway.
There you go, yeah, and so shewas like the way that she was

(30:02):
playing, though she was verydictative and was like I am the
queen, so you have to do what Isay, and I'm like I'm over here.
Yeah, she's very bold.
I will just say that she's abold child.
She's very outgoing,extroverted, like I'm a little
bit extroverted, but themajority of my personality is
very much an introvert.
So she gets me a littleuncomfortable sometimes she puts

(30:24):
me in an uncomfortablesituation.
So, yes, anyway, I'm mopping inthe kitchen and over here
playing like commanding peopleto do things for her and just
like in a very authoritative way, and I'm like, hey, babe, you
know Jesus had a lot to sayabout people who are in a
position to lead and in aposition of power and I was like
you know what he said.

(30:44):
She's like what?
Like he said, you know thefirst should be last and the
last should be first.
You should actually lead with aheart for your people and out
of love.
And you know the first shouldbe last and the last should be
first.
You should actually lead with aheart for your people and out
of love and, you know, actuallyserve them.
And from there, when they seeyou serving them as their leader
, they in turn turn around andthey want to serve you because

(31:06):
they love you.
And they see that.
You know you're humble and Idon't know.
I said it a lot less like interms that a five-year-old,
almost six-year-old, canunderstand.
Oh my gosh, Thursday she'll besix.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I know A six-year-old .

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I know, but then she was just like yeah, okay, so you
have to do what I say she'slike okay, irrelevant, mom, yeah
, but I mean I think that's, youknow you can apply that to the
marriage.
You know it's that out of lovefor each other, you know we're
serving in our role that Godintended for each other and that
in turn causes each partner towant to reciprocate and serve

(31:44):
each other.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, absolutely, and I think the healthiest
marriages are the ones that tryto do what the Bible says.
You know it's not like, okay,we have these very strict rules
that you have to follow.
It's more so like a lovingguide for what is going to help
you achieve the bestrelationship that you can have.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
So yeah, absolutely Love that.
I'm sorry, guys, I reallydidn't highlight a whole lot on
the men's side.
Our bible says it's titled thewomen's, so it is very much
geared towards women.
So that's probably why we're alittle lopsided right now.
But well, we're also our women.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
We are women, you know it's hard to speak on
behalf of the men when we're notmen.
I think we need to have a guest.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I was just gonna say that we need some male input
probably can we get the man'sperspective here?
But it does say a lot about, youknow, the nature of a man in
our Bible and it talks aboutmasculinity.
And again, it's not, you know,men to lord over and command
that you know, like my daughter,command that you do stuff for
them or that you listen to them,because this is what God

(32:51):
intended.
But it's that leadership role,right, and I'm single and you
know I've been again back in thefaith for two years.
As a non-believer I don't thinkyou really think about I mean
you have these what I would likein a man kind of thing.
But as a believer, when youstart considering dating and who

(33:12):
you could potentially beattracted to and who you want,
who you're praying for, like youstart praying for this person,
right, and that was somethinglike I, you know, read Genesis,
read this chapter, and I waslike you know God's plan for
marriage and the creation ofwoman and what he intended that
to be, and I very much startedto pray for a man that pursued

(33:33):
God you know as much, if notmore so, than I did you know and
someone that could be theheadship, the leader of my
family, not just, you know,protection, wise and supportive,
like maybe monetarily, but alsoin a spiritual sense, like

(33:53):
being a spiritual leader.
And I started praying for thatand that is very much something
that you know, as a Christianwoman that I am looking for.
I just think that it'simportant to have that
discernment also because I thinkthat we could meet Christian
men, but I think that for meit's funny, I think for me, a

(34:15):
man having that discernment andthat's something that's ever
evolving, right Like anythingelse.
And as you grow, what did ourpastor say the other night?
That progressive sanctificationyeah, so you know that.
And sanctification fancy wordfor set apart for God's purposes
.
That happens the minute youbecome a believer and you put
your faith in Jesus.
He comes and sanctifies yousets, set apart for God's
purposes.
And it happens when you, theminute you become a believer and
you put your faith in Jesus, hecomes and sanctifies you, sets

(34:35):
you apart for his purposes ashis people.
But then there's thisprogressive sanctification where
it's like ongoing as you'regrowing in the faith, you're
growing closer to Jesus, anddiscernment, I think, is part of
that.
But for me, if you have, like,no discernment at all, I'm kind
of like thanks, no, thank you.
You know, yeah, so it's funny.

(34:57):
It's funny how, like you know,you start looking at dating
differently and partnersdifferently.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
But well, I think that's part of your own
progressive sanctification.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Because you've learned discernment, so you're
also looking for someone who'sgonna be equally yoked.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So I don't think there's anything wrong with that
.
I think that that shows yourgrowth in your own faith.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
And I hope this isn't my pride but I'm also thinking
like if I'm going to submit tosomeone, it better be someone
that's stronger in the faiththan I am I was going to say I
can see your growth literallyfrom here, just because for you
to say that you're at that placein your life, that's what
you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
It's very different from, you know, pre-faith Audrey
, we're in pre-faith me and youknow we're strong women and
we're strong headed women, so itshows growth all the way around
.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Really, yeah, and hopefully like new knowledge and
insight and wisdom into againwhat that word surrender means.
Because I think when you breakit down and you realize it's not
, we think of surrender as thisbelow under, not slave, but we
think of it in a derogatory wayand not in the way that brings

(36:11):
fulfillment and not in the waythat brings fulfillment.
And when we do it out of aplace of love, you know what
that can do for a relationshipand how that does bring you
closer to God.
And I have Christian friendsthat are, you know, women that
are like I don't want to submit,like I just I have such a hard
time with that idea, with thatword, and I think honestly, at
the end of the day you just gotto.

(36:31):
You know pray Paul writes, youknow, if you can stay single,
it's good to be single becausethen you can focus on God and
like what his purpose is foryour life.
But I think again, like Godcreated marriage at the in the
beginning of creation.
So I'm I'm actually readingthis book right now
Christ-Centered Dating and thefirst chapter is really much
focusing on glorifying God andwhat that truly means and God

(36:54):
and our relationship with Godand glorifying God was not
created for marriage and I thinka lot of times people get that
mixed up Like they think, okay,if I glorify God and I'm
following his laws and I'm doingall these things, I'm going to
be rewarded by marriage becauseit's what I want, like I feel a
heart call to marriage, tomarriage, and I used to have a

(37:14):
lot of guilt about that becauseI used to think again, I kind of
come from this place of I haveto earn love and feeling like
unworthy and like I have to dolike works right, receiving love
through works.
And I actually I did write thatdown in the beginning of this
chapter because it talks aboutrest- and that rest, not just
meaning not abstaining from workright, but rest in a sense that
we do not have to work forsalvation.

(37:37):
Yeah, like it is not by ourworks that we are saved.
It is completely through Christand His sacrifice on the cross
that we are saved.
Nothing we could ever do isgoing to save us, so we don't
have to work for it.
We don't have to work forsalvation.
We don't have to work forsalvation.
We don't have to work for Hislove.
It is freely given and we canrest in that knowledge and that

(38:01):
awareness and knowing that weare saved.
Now, does that give us anexcuse to lie around all day and
not do what God's called us todo?
No, of course not.
So the author reverses it andhe's like the opposite is true.
Marriage was intended to glorifyGod.
So when you think about it interms of you're not glorifying

(38:25):
God to get marriage, you getmarried because it's what God
has put on your heart.
He created you and some peoplearen't created for marriage.
Some people are like I want tofocus on my faith and growing up
and that's what's important tome and that's okay and God
created them for that.
But for those who feel calledto marriage and want to be

(38:46):
married.
That's okay too, and that hecreated that for you.
And it's okay to date.
It's okay to pursue marriage,because I've heard a lot of
stories like when I was leastexpecting it, god blessed me
with it.
And when I focused on him andwhile I do agree you should be
focusing on God, you can also dothat while you're pursuing a

(39:09):
relationship, while you'redating, while you're I think he
calls it pursuing marriage,because out of that, out of that
relationship, you can glorifyGod as a couple.
And I really like the way thathe defined glorifying God.
It's actually making him knownin any way, that his character
comes through in anything thatyou do or say or how you live.

(39:32):
That is glorifying God.
Making him known to others iswhat glorifying God really means
, and I always thoughtglorifying God is, like you know
, praise and worship, woohoo,like yeah glory to God, but when
we really break it down andunderstand what that truly means
.
It's the way that we live.
It's, you know, visibleevidence of his existence in the
way that we live and talk andthe way that our relationships

(39:53):
are.
And again, like getting married.
That can, what results frommarriage can be glorifying God.
Yeah, yeah, oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I'm learning a lot, yeah for sure.
Well, and I mean even just youbeing single and kind of in this
season, where you're ready andyou're praying on it and you're
reading about it and you'reworking on it with God.
I think that that still caneven apply to somebody who is
married or who is alreadymarried, because my situation

(40:25):
was a little bit different.
But same thing where I stillhave to learn, and I'm still
currently learning how to be agodly wife and how to glorify
God through my marriage, andthat can be challenging to do
when you haven't done it before.
You know, not to say like we've.
You know my husband and I have agood marriage, but I will say

(40:47):
like within the last year and ahalf-ish I mean pretty much ever
since I got back into the faithlike our marriage has just been
so wonderful in so many ways.
I mean again, not withoutchallenges, but knowing that I'm
trying to fulfill my godly rolein my marriage.
It's just, it's a lot of workbut it is so rewarding.

(41:09):
So if any of you are marriedalready, you know, and you're
like, how do I, how do I applythis to my life now?
Like you, just I promise youjust start doing it, then you're
going to feel God in yourmarriage and there's just
nothing quite like it.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I love that.
That's so good, such greatadvice, you know, on both sides.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, different perspectives.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And yeah, so we kind of talked about rest a little
bit, so we'll go over that.
But so two, verse two, sorry,chapter two, verse five.
Okay, I kind of had a jaw dropmoment, you and the plants man.
Well, because remember, in inepisode two, two, one, two.

(41:52):
Anyway, chapter one, yeah, wewere talking about, like god,
separating the waters and rainand all that, right, yes, so I'm
reading this.
I'm like, okay, now no shrubhad yet appeared on the earth
and no plant had yet sprung.
The lord, god, had not sentrain on the earth, right, and
there was no one to work theground.
I was like, oh, how did I notremember that verse as we were

(42:12):
talking about you, you knowchapter one and the sequence of
events, but I love that.
I was kind of like, oh, oh,okay, all right.
But then, you know, it goes onto say, you know, talk about the
streams or whatnot.
So, first of all, I think it'sso like the two things needed
for vegetation, right, waterRight, and someone to work the

(42:34):
ground, man, right.
Yeah, I think that's prettycool that God used man to bring
about vegetation for creation,right, amazing.
So streams?
I had to look that up becauseyou know, of course, in my mind
I'm thinking streams, likerivers flowing through, but I'm
like how would that get out ofthe stream where it's at, onto
the land?
But it actually translates tomist or fog.

(42:57):
So I think about, you know, thedew in the early morning just
kind of settling on the ground.
Oh, my goodness.
So that was kind of a not a wetin the Bible moment, but a kind
of like, oh, okay, you knowthat first question we had in
one like what you know what camefirst?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
plants or rain, rain or plants, rain that's just wild
, though, when you look upstreams because, again, I just
read it so literally all thetime yeah, so for you to look
that up and then go, no, it'sactually like missed or like the
do.
Why doesn't it just say that?
Then I am sorry, lord, but why,right?

(43:36):
I'm like it's just, it's such adifferent perspective.
Yeah, in that sense I'mliterally as you were talking.
I was trying to pull out mybible app and read it in a
different translation to see ifit also says streams in every
other translation.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Look up strongs right now to make sure.
Like is it strings.
That's so funny.
What we're sorry in five yeahsix.
Yeah, it says mist kjv.
I think it says oh, it doesokay, yep, but there went up a
mist from the earth and wateredthe whole face of the okay yeah,
well, again, I mean, that'sjust goes to show that the bible

(44:12):
translation that you're usingcan matter.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
It does matter, like why doesn't it just say that?
Oh, it does.
Yeah, a different version right, okay, lovely.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
so, and then I think my other this is probably like
the biggest one which I mean, Idon't know, I really like I
probably went down a majorrabbit hole with this, but oh,
I'm excited.
So in verse eight it says thatgod created the garden of,
basically, and he says heplanted a garden in the east, in
Eden, and I'm like, in the east, relative to where?

(44:47):
Like where is Eden, lord?
And like is it just invisible?
But it's still there now, likewhere is Eden?
So then you know, a little bitlater on down it talks about all
these rivers.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I was going to ask you about the rivers.
Yeah, more water right.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
So, and I mean again, I'm not going to say that I
have this like huge epiphanykind of thing, but I did rabbit
hole a little bit.
So stay with me, right, okay,I'm ready.
Okay, so from this Garden ofEden there was a single river, a
river watering the gardenflowed from eden and from that
it basically branched out intofour heads.

(45:24):
So heads translates as chief ortop, so basically like the very
top of these rivers that thenflowed down through the
different lands.
Right, okay, all right.
The first river, oh gosh, pichon, pichon, pichon, pichon.
So it's when you look that upon strongs, it translates to a

(45:44):
river of eden, from the rootword push to spread, grow, fat,
spread or be scattered, and itdescribes like the land that it
goes through.
So in our bible it says thatit's.
This land is now what is knownas armenia and back in the, in
the day it was known asMesopotamia, which is modern day
Iraq, some parts of Iran, syriaand Turkey.

(46:08):
So our Bible has, at the veryback it has, maps, and I go back
all the time because I'm like Iwant to see these rivers, where
are these rivers at?
So it'll have a world of thepatriarchs and you can see there
.
It mentioned some of the rivers,but not all of them, but it
will show you the general region.
So it's what's known as, likemodern day, iran, turkey, like

(46:32):
all those countries.
So the number two, gihon.
But it's also, so when you lookup its literal translation, a
river of paradise with a capitalP, so probably referencing Eden
again, because capital P is aname right or a place.
And then number three is theTigris or Tigris River, which I

(46:54):
found very interesting.
It actually did not have a rootword attached to it, so when
you look it up on Strong's itsays probably a foreign origin,
so probably named later by, Idon't know a foreign language
other than, you know, hebrew.
Someone who speaks somethingother than Hebrew.
It's described as east of Asher, which when you look it up in

(47:16):
our Bible it actually says Asherwas probably a city, but KJV
actually doesn't say Asherah, itsays Assyria.
So then when you look at themap which I don't think it's on
that map it's basically rightthere around, like I think,
where the Babylonians were.
Okay, so right around there,right?
So we're getting a general ideaof where these rivers are.
Are you following?

Speaker 1 (47:38):
You're tracking where I'm going with this, okay where
these rivers are.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Are you following?
You're tracking where I'm goingwith this?
Okay, and then the riverEuphrates, right?
So my question was, okay, wheredo the rivers originate and
which direction do they flow?
Because I'm like where's theGarden of Eden, Lord?

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I don't want to know where this garden is at.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
So I'm looking at our map and if you look at the map
it's color coded right.
So there's like gray areas andthere's maybe some like beige
and maybe a little bit moredarker purple.
So every map should have alegend like this is how far this
distance is, but it also willgive you an elevation legend.
So in the bottom left cornerthere it has like different
color codes.
I actually don't judge me, butI did Google.

(48:17):
Do rivers flow east to west?
Don't judge me, but I didGoogle.
Do rivers flow east to west?
How do rivers flow?
And I'm like duh, like I amsmart, you guys.
I swear but again, this isprobably where that duh like
street smart I'm lacking in likecommon sense.
Gravity right, so riversactually flow from places of
higher elevation down to lower.
So when you look at the map, ifyou follow the river Euphrates

(48:38):
and Tigris, it actually theypretty much come together into a
single point river that flowsinto the Persian Gulf.
So I'm looking at this map andI'm like, okay, well, clearly it
comes from the Persian Gulf,like that's the source.
It's going to flow like up thisway.
But then I'm thinking, well,when you look at how rivers flow
and they go from high to low,so then you look again at the

(49:00):
legend.
And if you look at how riversflow and they go from high to
low, so then you look again atthe legend, and if you look over
here that the, the elevation islisted there with like the
purple, the purple beige color.
So where on that map is thepurple beige?
Like up in mesopotamia, wherewe talked about, where assyria
is.
So up at the higher part ofthat map, like where it says

(49:23):
Mount Ararat, which I think iswhere you were talking about
Noah landed.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yes, that was, that was it.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So when you follow those rivers up, they literally
start up in that region,literally start up in that
region.
So I looked at a modern dayarmenia and it's right between
russia and where's the other one, turkey and iran.
So I think the garden of edenwas somewhere around that

(49:54):
location and that's where thoserivers started from and then
they flowed down into thePersian Gulf Down into, yeah,
and terminate in the PersianGulf.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Oh, wow, yeah, you really went and got all straight
up book smart I know.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
So I'm like we're following maps Okay Well.
I was kind of like where?
Because they're not listed onevery map.
And then, like, I think there'sa river that that traverses, so
like the euphrates and thetigris, they run kind of
parallel to one another, butthen there's a river that
connects the two perpendicularlyand I can't remember if they

(50:29):
think that one is pichon orgihon.
But if you look like, if youlook this up, there's a bunch of
different theories out thereabout which river is which.
And actually the pichon, Ithink the way that it describes
maybe it was Gihon.
Oh, the one that says from itwas gold pearl, onyx, I think
there's mention of Ethiopia.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I can't remember, if it was Gihon or Pishon.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Anyway, one of those rivers that's not explicitly
written out on the map, they sayflows all the way down through
egypt and actually, like is abranch of the nile or what is
that?
Yes, I saw that yeah, so kindof interesting to kind of have a
ballpark figure maybe in thatgeneral area, in the general

(51:15):
area.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, oh, that's so cool you always take it and run
with it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I don't know, I probably just confused a bunch
of people and it may becompletely off base, but I don't
know.
No, I think that's really neatand you know, of course, I'm
thinking like OK, so like whatwould Moses's reason for
including this be?
But I mean, maybe it's just toestablish, like geography, and

(51:44):
like this is how this, theserivers, came from, and because I
mean, they probably would haveused that a lot in those times
to navigate where they lived,where they were going, all that
fun stuff yeah, yeah, Idefinitely read that and was
kind of glossed over it a littlebit you know, I got like that
glossy look in my eye like I'mgetting lost.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Why is this relevant?
I mean, I feel like everysingle thing in the Bible is
relevant, but, again, hard forus to read it in our modern day
age where, like you said, theseplaces are not even on maps
really anymore and it can bechallenging to find.
I had the same question, so Iwas.
I had that written down likewhy rivers, why rivers?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Why more rivers?
Ask Audrey.
Why rivers?
Why rivers?
Why more rivers?
Ask Audrey.
Well, I doubt I answered yourquestion, but I think it's just
interesting to, like you said,why is it mentioned?
What's the significance?
And I mean it probably wasn'tlike a roadmap to this is where
Eden is, guys.
But I mean, I think it's funbecause things have changed

(52:38):
right, and I, of course, I thinkit's important to consider, you
know where, where did this takeplace in biblical times?
But where is that in modern dayterms?
You know.
So, and I mean again,especially like with everything
going on right now over inIsrael and Syria, I think it's
very interesting to see wherethings started and where things
are prophesied to end.

(52:58):
Right, you know, it's all inthe same place.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I know, yeah Ooh, revelation's a long way away.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Oh, thank goodness.
I don't think we'll ever beready for that.
One Revelation will probablyhappen before we get there.
Yeah, at this point, ohgoodness.
That's funny.
Well, thank you guys.
So much for joining us againfor this third episode of what
in the Bible.
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(53:27):
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(53:48):
just kind of do a Bible studywith us.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I didn't pick out a scriptureeither, did you I?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
completely forgot.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
No, ma'am man, we keep forgetting that.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
You know, I think I I'm gonna be brave here um
because you did mention the restsection.
I really loved what you got outof that.
As far as you know, not havingto work for our salvation, I
took it as we need to rememberto rest in God and make time to

(54:24):
rest.
That's something that Istruggle with immensely in my
life, so I'm going to memorizeGenesis 2, 3.
That's good.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, yeah, because I think you know God modeled what
he intended for us to do.
Yeah To him for sure.
Yes, I need the reminder, sothat's so good, um, but I really
want to memorize 23 through.
I don't know.
I almost want to go all the wayto 25, just because I think it

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so beautifully wraps up marriageand me being in the season that
I'm in and pursuing that.
I think it's a good reminder ofwhat God intended for marriage.
And I really like 25, which wedidn't really talk about, but it
says Adam and his wife wereboth naked and they felt no
shame that naked I mean.
To me, obviously, it could meanin a literal sense like not

(55:16):
having any clothes on and notbeing ashamed, but for me,
vulnerability being fullyexposed and allowing someone
else to see that, to see you inyour mess, like your flaws, the
good things about you, but theyou know the flaws too and the
things that you struggle with,and being open and honest with
someone about that and beingwilling to trust someone with

(55:36):
that, with your vulnerability,you know, but not having that
shame to be completelycomfortable with that other
person yeah, I think that'sreally beautiful and rare in
these days.
Yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Oh, I love that.
That was beautiful.
I loved how you got that.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Thanks, so okay, yeah , so I'm going to do, I think,
23 through 25.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Oh, you are much braver than I am, but 23 through
25.
Oh, you are much braver than Iam, but I love that Cool.
And I love how, even thoughwe're only in the second chapter
of the entire Bible, god'salready speaking to us through
it, Kind of just in a verysubtle way too, with this memory
verse thing, and I mean youjust talked about it in the

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beginning, where it was likewe're not, we kind of struggled
with the first chapter andfinding something that was super
relevant in our own lives, youknow, and not memorizing it,
just simply to memorize it.
But I think it's just sowonderful how God plants those
little things for usindividually, for what we can
focus on and remember and studyand memorize, so that it's in

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our brains when we need it.
Thank you, lord, thank you.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Lord, you're so good, all right.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Okay, Well, yeah Again.
We just thank you guys so muchfor tuning in and taking time
out of your day and your supportand your love as we tackle
those hard questions.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yes, so next episode we'll be talking about the fall
oh the real nitty gritty oh mygosh, you guys.
So much cool stuff coming outof this chapter, the fall.
I think this might be one of myfavorite chapters in Genesis,
just because I think it sets thestage for so much, so much,
yeah.

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So come back next episode as wetackle the fall.
In the meantime, keep prayingand stay fed by the word of God.
Bye, guys, bye, you guys.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Hey everyone, it's Jenna.
With what in the Bible we wantto start by emphasizing we are
by no means experts in Bibletheology or interpretation.

(57:56):
We highly encourage any newbeliever or anyone struggling
with understanding the Bible toget connected to your local
church and seek guidance fromyour pastor or other believers
that are more mature in thefaith.
Most importantly, we understandthat prayer is an integral part
of reading, learning andunderstanding scripture, and we
encourage you to spend some timewith the Lord in prayer before

(58:19):
diving into God's word.
The Holy Spirit is the bestteacher and counselor to provide
insight, wisdom and trueunderstanding of scripture.
Thank you for listening and wehope you join us for our next
episode.

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