A Tale of Two Lines

The story of Cain and Abel reveals how quickly sin progressed from disobedience to murder in just one generation. Sisters Audrey and Jenna explore Genesis 4, discovering profound insights about heart posture, worship, and the consequences of unchecked jealousy.

When Eve gives birth to Cain, she immediately acknowledges God's role in creating new life—a stark contrast to her previous self-reliance in the Garden. This spiritual growth sets the stage for a chapter full of revelations about humanity's relationship with God. We discover that Abel's offering pleased God not because of what he gave, but because of his faithful heart behind the gift. Meanwhile, Cain's casual approach to worship leads to rejection and anger.

God's warning to Cain contains one of scripture's most powerful images: "Sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it." This language reveals both the predatory nature of temptation and humanity's God-given authority to overcome it—a spiritual principle that remains profoundly relevant today.

The sisters trace the development of two distinct family lines: Cain's descendants who introduce polygamy, boastful violence, and the first musical instruments, versus Seth's godly lineage who "began to call on the name of the Lord." Through careful examination of biblical names and their meanings, Audrey and Jenna uncover how these parallel genealogies establish a pattern of spiritual warfare that continues throughout history.

Whether you're new to Bible study or a seasoned reader, this episode offers fresh perspectives on worship, sin, mercy, and the subtle ways our choices echo through generations. Listen in as these two sisters bring warmth, humor, and thoughtful analysis to one of Genesis's most pivotal chapters.

Episode Extras:

Does Frequency matter? Worship, Sound, and Spiritual Warfare with Laura Sanger (Link below)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey everyone, it's Audrey from what in the Bible.
We want to thank you forlistening to another episode and
give you a quick update.
Unfortunately, we ran into sometechnical difficulties with our
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(00:24):
episode six.
We hope you still enjoy thisepisode and thank you again for
listening.
Hello everyone, welcome to whatin the Bible.

(00:55):
We are two sisters readingthrough Genesis to Revelation
for the first time and askingthe question that every new
believer is thinking what in theBible?
I'm one of your hosts, audrey.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
And hello, hello everybody.
On this week's episode we aregoing to be going over our
reading of Genesis, chapter four.
This was a pretty big chapter.
Both of us ended up being, youknow, pretty surprised at
everything that we got out ofthis chapter.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, I thought I was going to like blow through this
like Cain and Abel.
Yeah, okay, cain kills Abel,like you know, onto the flood,
right, right.
But yeah, it turned out to belike, oh Lord, oh you cooking
today.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, oh, okay, I see you Cooking today.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Lord yeah, that's one of our favorite sayings.
One of our friends likes to saythat, and he's sprinkling
paprika on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Shout out to you, girl, he does, spicing it up.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It has been a couple weeks, though I think we can say
for both of us, it's you know.
I think just life does not stop, despite all the things you
know and gosh, I would love forthis podcast to just be our one
and only project.
You know work.
I would love to do this fulltime, but you know there's other
obligations or responsibilities.

(02:11):
But we're here, we're doing it.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, yeah, we're here.
Well, on that note, justbecause you know, talking about
our schedules and and how it canbe very challenging and how our
lives don't stop, just becausewe are doing this podcast, to be
very challenging, and how ourlives don't stop just because we
are doing this podcast.
It has been quite challengingto be able to work around each
other's schedules.
You know, we were just talkingabout how everybody's super busy

(02:35):
and how everyone is just asbusy as the next person, you
know, in their own way, and doyou have kind of a little praise
report to mention about thatAre?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
you holding this back A little bit, yeah, well, now
I'm like it comes up and we'relike hashing out all the stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
There are slates before we start, yeah, but you
know we like to keep a fewthings just so that we can talk
about them on the podcast.
And earlier this week, audreyand I were trying to figure out
when we could record and italmost seemed impossible, like
it was just flat out not goingto happen for a few weeks.
And you know, god made a way.
But on the day that we weretrying to talk about it and

(03:07):
figure it out, it was just, itwas very stressful trying to to
work it in and you know I waspraying on it like just God,
like we want to do it, we wantto help people.
I'm feeling like I don't knowhow at this point, I don't know
how to fit it in, I don't knowhow we can make it happen.
And, kid you not, like a halfhour later I got a text from a
family member that my husbandand I had just recently visited

(03:30):
and somehow we started talkingabout the podcast.
And I don't even remember howit came up.
It was just a kind of organicconversation and it went in
there and she's like oh my gosh,what are you and your sister
doing a podcast about?
And I was like, well, I was alittle bit nervous to tell her,
just because I I I've neverreally talked with her about God
or or religion or church oranything like that.

(03:51):
And I told her, you know, mysister and I started a podcast
about reading the Bible becausewe, you know, struggled and we
needed help and we thought it'dbe useful for others to to talk
about it and listen.
And she was like, oh my gosh,she took it so wonderfully.
She's like that is so amazingand I would love to listen to
that, because I've been, youknow, kind of trying to maybe go

(04:14):
back to church and you know, Igrew up going to church and all
these things that like I'venever even spoken with her about
, didn't even know.
So I sent her the link to thepodcast and so, anyways, earlier
this week she texted me.
I was like, hey, jenna, like Ijust finished listening to your
first episode and, oh, mygoodness, I love it.

(04:35):
I went to church on Sunday afterlistening and I can't wait to
catch up to the other episodesand honestly, it was just kind
of one of those moments where Ifeel like God was like you're
like you're going to do what youguys are setting out to do.
I'm going to make it happen foryou guys.
You know, and it reallyrejuvenated me of like we have
to find a way to keep going,because we're not you know, guys

(04:57):
, we're not worried about howmany followers we have or how
many listeners we have, or youknow, we're just trying to reach
one person, help one person,encourage one person.
Our whole goal is, likeAudrey's hat says right now,
like our church's motto,connecting people to Jesus, and
that's really what we're doing.
So, whether that's our kids oranother family member or friend
or somebody that we don't evenknow, it just it means the world

(05:19):
to us to encourage anyone.
So I thought that that wasreally neat, because I was over
there like self-spiraling, I'mlike I don't know how we're
going to make this work, I don'tknow how we're going to fit
into these schedules.
It's just so tasking and allthe things.
And then God was like look whatyou're doing, look what I'm
doing through you, it's not us,it's Him.

(05:40):
So I wanted to definitelymention that and just really
gives us some encouragement.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Absolutely.
That's so encouraging because,yeah, you can start to get that
spiral like how are we going tomake this happen on top of
everything else?
And for the Lord to so quicklyanswer you know, you're praying
on it.
30 minutes later, boom.
You know, like it's just.
Thank you, lord, that you're sogood that you answer prayers.
Thank you that you're alwayswith us.
You know, I'm like it's justthank you, lord, that you're so
good that you answer prayers.

(06:06):
Thank you that you're alwayswith us.
You know, we, we pray beforeevery podcast and the Lord was
just putting on my heart like Iam here.
I am here with you, I do notleave you.
You may go through low times,you know it may seem like
everything is pressing in aroundyou, but put your trust in me,

(06:27):
surrender to me.
I am here, I'm working and youknow, I think this podcast has
been particularly challenging.
I think for me, because I tendto like overanalyze a lot of
things.
I overthink.
It's become very apparent.
I mean I always knew this, butit's become very apparent in the

(06:47):
last couple of weeks and sobecause of that, you know, I I
have had to step back andliterally surrender every
episode, every single like preptime, reading you know the
chapters and making sure that,like my heart stays in the right
place and you know the chaptersand making sure that, like my
heart stays in the right placeand you know what we're speaking

(07:07):
about in this podcast is notfor our glorification or so that
we get followers, like youmentioned, or you know it blows
up or whatever the case may be.
Like that does not, that cannotbe the motivating factor.
And I start to get like overanalytical about, like how many
downloads we've had, or you know, like all those things, and

(07:29):
like I think my heart's in theright place, like, oh, that's
more people, like right, it'sbeing exposed, and like
potentially hearing the gospel,hearing our podcast getting
connected.
But I just, you know it's hardto sometimes walk that fine line
of making sure it doesn't dipover into you.
You know, being more concernedabout the following and like us,

(07:50):
you know, judging our successbased on that.
Right yeah, right, but gosh.
I love that story.
That's so amazing.
Thank you, lord.
I love it.
Keep doing it.
Keep working, lord, keepcooking, keep cooking, keep rock
saying, keep rock saying.
Keep working, lord, keepcooking, keep cooking.
Kick rocks Satan, kick rocks,satan.
That is going to be our firstmerch.
It is solidified.
So I want to start looking att-shirts and if you're

(08:12):
interested, please send us amessage or leave a comment, or
yeah, let us know so we can getthose going if you really want
it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Can't wait to wear that around yes, we have memory
verses as well from last weekthat we kind of were in the
scramble and you know that wewould just keep it a surprise
until this week audrey and Iactually picked the same one
which is kind of not surprising,I guess, considering how close

(08:44):
we are and our brains dosometimes think a lot alike
absolutely oftentimes yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, do you want?
to do it.
I think you should.
Oh, I should definitely lead usbeing the older sister.
Yeah, but you know I wantpersonal advocacy.
Maybe we should.
Should we try to go at the sametime?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
oh no, okay, wait, wait, I don't even review it
again.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, I'm gonna try it, whatever, it's gonna be
awful no, you're so good at itit's gonna be fine, okay, okay.
So it's genesis 3, 3, 21 thelord god made Governs Garments.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Garments Of skin for Adam and his wife and clothe
them.
Good job.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, and clothe them.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I always forgot the last part yes, and clothe them
All right.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, that was significant to the both of us,
just because I think that wassuch a big Takeaway yes, a big
takeaway from the last chapterof we can't fix our own sin.
We can't fix our own mess.
God is always there to help usclean it up and to protect us
always.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Thank you, lauren.
Yeah, yeah, because I startedto.
I think I kind of told youearlier, I started to memorize
the part where Adam and Eve weretrying to cover up their sin,
because in my mind I wasthinking, well, that's a good
reminder that I shouldn't bedoing that, and if I recognize
my, you know, recognize that I'mdoing that to turn to God.
But then I was like, eh, Idon't know that I want to like

(10:16):
memorize what I should not bedoing.
Memorizing.
You know what the Lord is andwhat he does for us.
Yeah, absolutely cool.
All right, so you guys, I'mactually really excited talking
about cain and abel.
There was so much that came outof this for me and I don't know
if that's like a personal thingor or if it was just yeah, I

(10:41):
don't know.
There's a lot more.
I did a lot.
There's a lot of names in thischapter.
Yes, so I did go down a rabbithole with a lot of the names.
Thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean you would.
I started reading the names atthe end and I'm like Audrey's
going to cover this.
I'm like Matthew.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I'm like the Matthew and Bucker yeah.
I would, I would like, I'm noteven going to say who I think I
am Peter.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yes, I know You're totally Simon Peter, oh goodness
.
Yeah, yes, you are, that's okay, that's alright.
He was a solid disciple, therock on which his faith was the
rock that the church was built,that foundation.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
His faith.
Yes, so we shall definitelylook at all of peter's good
qualities.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
She's like imaginary flipping her hair.
It's a peter definitely not.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay, we're all a work in progress, absolutely all
right, so, yeah, so I have togive a shout out to our aunt and
that's probably why I dove asdeeply as I did into these names
, which it's going to come up, Ithink, in the next chapter.
No, no, no, yeah, next chapteryes, yes, yes, it does.
You know she's been one of ourbiggest fans from the beginning

(11:56):
of this.
She's been reaching out andjust you know, sharing her love
and just how much she enjoys thepodcast, and just you know,
again, that has meant so much tous to have that feedback and
that love and that support.
But then you know she's alsobeen sharing some conversations,
some videos, some you knowother people that have shows,

(12:18):
that kind of break down theBible as well and their thoughts
on certain things, and some ofwhat she shared has been pretty
profound.
And so I would actually like tostart sharing some of these like
outside kind of videos andresources and like the show
notes, so that you guys can goback if you want to and watch,
because it really is fascinatingto see the connection,
especially early on in the Bible, like the first few chapters in

(12:43):
Genesis, and like we readthrough all the, all these names
and think, like, like the firstfew chapters of Genesis and
like we read through all thesenames and think like okay, and
this is like a line, and likewhy does this matter?
But names in the Bible aresignificant.
So all that to say thank you toour hand for sharing, and yeah,
anyway.
So where do you?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
want to start.
Yeah, oh goodness.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Should we kind of go through it systematically, like
we did last time?
Yeah, I feel like it's, I don'tknow.
I feel like it's kind ofimportant here to kind of go
through it, because it's like asequence of events now that has
happened, that has led, so it'skind of like yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, no, I think that's a good idea.
Okay, All right.
What's your first note then?
4-1.
4-1.
Of course.
Why did I even ask?
Why am I not surprised?
Oh goodness.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, I just love how she basically says with the
help of the Lord, I have broughtforth a man, so she is like
instantly recognizing God's partand creating new life.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, so I really liked that.
Yeah, I love that, especiallyfrom relying on herself
previously.
Right, she's really learningfrom that Right.
Right, she was like God givesme everything.
Yeah, relying on the Lord.
You know, it's a beautifulmiracle that God's given us to
bring forth life.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, well, and you know God doesn't change, that
doesn't change.
So, like here in 4.1, eve, themother of what was her title
from 3.20?
The mother of all the living,eve, the mother of all the
living, is in her first, youknow, giving birth to her first
child.

(14:27):
She's acknowledging with thehelp of the Lord, I have brought
forth a man.
So this is like the firstchildbearing example instance.
Right, this is the firstinstance of giving birth to
another person ever in creation.
Yeah, and the first thing shesays is with the help of the
lord, and that has been, that'scontinued throughout time.

(14:49):
So anytime a child is conceived, that is with the help of the
lord.
I didn't look at king's, hisname, oh, the meaning of his
name.
So translates to K'in the nameof the first child, and then
from its root word, a lance, asin striking fast or spear, and

(15:12):
then, if you go further down tothe actual root, I think it's
pronounced K'un, to strike amusical note, that is, a chant
or wail at a funeral.
Oh my goodness.
Lament mourning women.
So then I think about like howthey used to mourn, like the
mourning wailers or whatever ata funeral and someone died.

(15:32):
But I think it's, you know,interesting to understand, like
this is the first male that wasborn after creation and his name
is.
It's almost like it's kind ofeerie you know, like knowing
what happens and what he does,like to be kind of connected to

(15:52):
this, and then this will come uplater, but the reference here
to the striking of a musicalnote, so note.
So our aunt shared a video ofthis podcast or this show that
talks about music and sound andhow it relates and how it

(16:15):
affects spiritual, like thespiritual realm and the
spiritual battles and how Satanhas used it to influence people
in a negative way.
And I'm not going to get somuch more into that right now.
I think it comes up later, butI will include that link to that
video because it is sointeresting to see that

(16:36):
connection, how sound vibrationsand sound waves and how that
affects things.
When God created the universe,what did he do?
He spoke Like he actually usedhis voice to create.
So that's sound, that'svibration.
Again, it's just it's you lookat it that way and how

(16:56):
significant it is.
It's kind of crazy, and thenagain like the fact that it's
related to Cain and like, like Isaid, that will come up later,
I think.
Think just to kind of see howmusic has been distorted across
the centuries and millennia tonegatively affect people.
Um, all from, you know saint's,saint's plans anyway, oh I

(17:17):
believe it.
I can't wait to hear more aboutthat all right, obviously from
there, or?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
when it goes downhill pretty quickly from there.
I think the main thing that Igot out of this whole section
was obviously your heart posture, church or tithing or whatever
the case may be, but or evenjust submitting things to God.
You know it really, god doesn'tcare about that as as a whole.

(17:49):
He cares about your heartbehind it and it's just so
clearly right here where it justsays Cain brought in you know
some of the fruits just becausehe just had to, or just because
that's just what they did, orwhatever the case, and he just
okay, well, I'm just going togive them this because I need to
.
I did my job from checking thatoff the list.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Cool, yeah, I like how the Bible our Bible said
Cain brought some Right, like ifthey didn't specify what kind
of Right His.
What was it For fruits of thesoil or whatnot?
You know?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
you didn't, just said some.
It didn't say kind right, thelargest the best, the sweetest,
exactly, you know, the firstfruit that he pulled, kind of
right, yeah, whatever's nearestor whatever like you could have
collected the fruit off theground right right, they're like
okay, well, here you go,because I don't really need this
, right, you can have that, youknow.
And then you know, of course, itsays that abel gave his, his
best, his best of his flock.
He gave the.
What does it say?

(18:50):
He ate the fat portions fromthe first born, from his flock.
So, whatever he the first born,the first almost harvest that
he actually reaped from being aI'm probably not saying that,
right, this is not a farm, youknow, he's a shepherd.
But his first um accomplishment, almost you know, his first

(19:12):
reward from being a shepherd, heimmediately gave to God.
No question about it, dear Lord, I just worked hard thinking of
all these sheep and finallyproduced a lamb and it's yours.
So I think, and I just think,that that's so important when
we're giving, when we'resurrendering, when, whatever the

(19:32):
case may be like, it's notabout the thing, god really
could care less if you give him,if you give the church your
money.
He could really care less ifyou do a good deed or whatever
the case may be.
He really just cares about yourheart, posture and as long as
you're right in your part, yes,you're wide behind it, right?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
So like if you're gone and doing good things
because you want to look good,you know, like the whole
Pharisee thing, like the heartbehind the Pharisees Anytime
they did something it was sothat they could be recognized
for their generosity or yeah,yeah, absolutely so much going

(20:12):
on in this one verse.
Honestly, like again we'vealready kind of mentioned like
Cain bringing some, not reallyputting much thought into it
into it.
I think what's really reallyamazing about this description
is this is all happened beforeGod gave any commands.
Like he didn't command Cain andAbel to offer up anything to

(20:37):
him.
Like there was no like give meyour first fruits.
It was.
They did it out of well, abeldid it out of faith and you know
our pastor gave a sermon onthis not too long ago and
referenced Hebrews 11, 4, whichtalks about Abel's faith and how
his faith impacted his actionsand his choices.
So his faith in God, his heartposture, as you said, was to

(21:03):
honor God.
He put some thought into it.
I want to honor the Lord, Iwant to please Him.
How can I do that?
The fat was the choicest, thebest, the most flavor, and then,
yeah, that firstborn, the firstfruits.
So God enables faithfulness inhis actions.

(21:25):
It pleased God so much.
It says the Lord looked on himwith favor, and that word favor
essentially translates torespect.
Like God respected his heart,respected the offering that he
brought to him.
It moved him in such a way thathe then did make it a

(21:45):
commandment you will give meyour first fruit, or you know
you should give me your firstfruits as an offering.
And I just find that thatwasn't like wow.
You know your actions, yourchoice to bring God your first
fruits, like to honor him andagain, it's not be like so that
I can get the honor, but I wantto honor you, lord, and

(22:06):
everything that I do here it isand how he reciprocates that,
how he looks upon you with favorand blesses you, like you took
Abel's actions and turned aroundand made it.
This is what I want, this isthe standard that's been set,
this is what honors me, this iswhat brings me joy, this is what

(22:27):
pleases me.
Please continue to do this,yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh man, that's so good.
Oh, and then, of course, caingets bitter.
Oh, my goodness, cain.
Cain, tell us.
Is it not crazy, though, tothink that, I mean God just
created humankind not too longago?
I mean, I think it sayssomewhere in here oh, they were.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think Adam was 30 when Seth was born, so Cain
would have already been likegrown up, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
So probably within like 100 years of creation,
right, or creation of man, rightyeah of creation right, or
creation of man right, yeah, andlook how quickly sin has, has
grown or transformed intosomething more.
You know it started with justdisobeying and then blaming,

(23:19):
lying, shame, guilt, and thennow it's full-fledged jealousy,
hatred, anger, murder.
You know all in such a shortspan.
And this is second generationfrom the people that god first
created, right.
So that's quite scary when youreally think about it, like wow,
what a profound effect that sinhad to where the second

(23:42):
generation, the first peopleborn ever on this earth, one of
them kills the other.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah I mean.
So I love that you bring thatup, because this was a.
I'm getting goosebumps thinkingabout it so it goes back to that
curse, right, that prophecythat god gave the serpent, that
whole the seed war.
We're already seeing it unfoldin the very first, like you said
, that second generation yeah, Iwill put enmity between you and

(24:12):
the woman and between youroffspring and hers.
So, like I actually highlightedmost of verse six because Cain
had a choice right here, hisresponse was to instant, like
instead of learning from Abeland seeing how much Abel's
actions pleased the Lord, andthen being like, oh, I should

(24:32):
have done that, like okay, I'msorry, lord, like let me go get
my best crops and bring them toyou as an offering, he totally
could have done that and guesswhat?
The Lord would have beenpleased.
He would have favored Cain aswell.
He would have given him thesame response that he gave Abel.
He told him that.
He told him that in six he didExactly.
Yes, he's like why are you soangry?

(24:54):
Right, if you know, if you justdo, you know what's pleasing to
me, you will be accepted, right, yeah.
And then he even warns him.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes, exactly to me.
You will be accepted right,yeah, and then he even warns him
yes, exactly, hovering overyour shoulder, like you must
rule it or it will rule you.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Exactly literally, black and white, plain as day
that was so like that hit me inthe face like whoa.
Because, yes, he literally istelling king what he can do,
like.
I see that you're, I see thatyou didn't like this, but when
you do what is what does he say?
When you do what is right,you'll be accepted, but when you

(25:33):
do what is wrong, sin isliterally creeping at your door.
And I actually went a littlebit farther and looked at that
word desire.
Well, also.
So the word sin in our book, Ithink it says it desires to have
you.
But when you look at the KJV,it actually says he in reference

(25:57):
to sin, gotcha.
So it's like he sin Satan.
And then that word desire, soit's only used three times in
the Bible, in that translation,genesis 3.16, when it was
talking about when God wastelling Eve you will desire your
husband and he will rule overyou.
So there's that desire betweenthat longing, that outstretched

(26:22):
longing for your husband, thatkind of desire.
Then here in Genesis 4, 7, sinis literally like desiring you.
It has its arm stretched out.
Sin, if you think about it interms of he, like the KJV says
that's Satan, right and sin isfrom Satan.

(26:43):
He's constantly trying to getyou to sin so literally, like I
just perceive this likeoutstretched, like crazy desire
to have you yeah and then insong of songs, or songs of
solomon, in verse 7, 10, andagain talking about a husband
and wife, and I think it's thehusband desiring the wife or the

(27:03):
wife desiring the husband, orsomething like that.
But that, so this word desireis not just like, oh, I want
that, no, it's like this longing, this yearning, this craving
for sin.
That's how sin is in your life,that's what.
That's how Satan pursues you inthat negative way, in that
sinful way.
Yeah, in that negative way, inthat sinful way.

(27:24):
But then I love that God saysit desires to have you, but you
must rule over it, like heliterally is, like you must rule
over it.
He's giving Cain thatpermission that you can overcome
it.
You must take control.

(27:44):
And I think that's where a lotof Christians, if we don't know
who we are in Christ, we canallow sin to rule over us, to
rule in our lives, or we canallow that spiritual oppression
or whatever the case may be.
But if we know who we are inChrist and the power that he has
given us and who we are asChristians, we have power to
rule over sin, to rule overspiritual attack.

(28:06):
We can make it go away and notin our strength and in God's
strength by submitting to himright and resisting the devil?
Yeah, oh man, yeah, so thatthat word rule mashal, to rule
over, have dominion, governor,reign or have power.

(28:27):
So it's like you know, again,just being able to have that
power over sin.
And it's almost sad that Cain itwas right there for him, you
know he was Lord was literallytelling him dude, you can turn
this around, yeah, this is whatyou need to do, but then Cain
decides not good around.
Yeah, this is what you need todo, but then Cain decides not
good enough, no, I just want toact on my anger and my jealousy.

(28:50):
So what does he do?
Get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
In God's favor, yes, and there's nothing in between.
Either it's just God saying dowhat is right, all will be good,
do what is wrong.
Sin's right there waiting foryou, kind of thing, or he is
right there waiting for you.
And then king's like, okay,abel, let's go to the field,
like yep, oh, yes.

(29:15):
And I think that the big thingthat stuck out to me about this
again is it kind of reverts backto what we talked about last
episode, where God went on tothe garden after Adam and Eve
were hiding, you know, and theywere shamed.
God was like where are you?
You know, where are you?
Why are you hiding?
Here I am, let's clean this up,kind of thing.

(29:36):
And when we talked about howimportant it is for us to lead
our families or, you know, notlead as the women, but I mean
make the right choices for ourkids, like, I mean, canes pretty
much did the exact kind ofresponse that adam and eve did
when they first sent, like godis like where is your brother?

(29:58):
And he's like I don't know, youknow, just immediately, I don't
know.
No, no, um, accountability forwhat he did.
He just kind of puts it off and, um, it just shows that, that
weight.
You know the effect of whatthey did, right right Back to
that generational thing that wewere talking about and just

(30:18):
obviously King wasn't therewatching them model the behavior
, but it trickled down to thenext line.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
And he did the same thing, alluded to this a little
bit with how sin progresses, howyou know that initial sin of
disobeying God and and then howthat kind of led to grew into
like anger and jealousy andbitterness and hatred and murder
.
Yeah, kind of similar here,like his response isn't just
like not taking accountability,it was straight up like almost

(30:49):
defiant and with an attitudelike what am I, my brother's
keeper?
Like right, you're talking tothe lord.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
It's not only, like you said,the act of sitting, it's the act
of being defined about it yeah,yep.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
so then, oh man the Lord, the Lord cursing Cain here
, you know, which totallydeserved, right?
Yeah, I think it's very likeCain's consequence was very
personal to him.

(31:32):
This was the first time that Iwas seeing those parallels.
So Cain worked the ground, abelraised livestock.
What does the Lord take awayfrom Cain?
He takes away his ability towork the ground.
He takes away what he knew,what he was good at, how he
provided for the family, what hewas good at, how he provided
for the family, his contribution, the things that he did every

(31:55):
day.
He was like all right, you areno longer.
If you work the ground, it'snot going to produce anything
for you.
And then he basically banisheshim and he curses him to be a
restless wanderer in our Bible.
But when you look at the KJV, itactually uses the words

(32:15):
fugitive and vagabond.
So when you look at those rootwords fugitive, nua, gone away,
removed, scatter to and fro,wander up and down, and then

(32:36):
vagabond is essentially verysimilar nude, we disappear,
wandering.
So not only is god taking awaycain's ability to produce food,
do what he knew and like wasgood at, you know, he's also
exiling him essentially.
But not just okay, leave here,it's no, you're gonna wander
right the earth.
You're never gonna have apermanent home.
Yeah, you're not gonna havethis.

(32:57):
You're gonna constantly besearching for the.
You know the place that feelslike home, but nothing is ever
gonna feel content.
You're gonna constantly be inthis wandering.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm sorry.
Okay, I'm getting proud of you.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm trying not to pointedlylook at you oh my god, it's
hilarious.
I'm trying not to point at thelady oh my gosh, it's hilarious.
I'm like Let the Lord cook.

(33:39):
Oh my goodness, a little lessspice.
Oh, more paprika.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Lord, less tapatio over here it burns.
Oh my goodness, that's so funny.
If you don't know what we'relaughing about, refer back to
episode one.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Pretty much oh my goodness.
Hey, we were just talking abouthow we're not worried about
followers, we're not worriedabout listeners, we just want to
help someone.
Yeah, that someone is one of usglory to god.
Thank you, lord.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh my gosh thank you for what you're doing yes, okay,
anyways so yeah, it's a canebeing the wanderer yep, okay, so
anyways, next we have.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
So next verse no, but that would be especially um
back then.
Because on that same token Idon't know, I'm jumping up just
a tiny bit, but not trying toget too far ahead, but on the
same token of that, you knowright away, cain's like oh my
gosh, you know, please don't dothat to me.
Anyone who finds me will killme.

(34:49):
So when I read that I was like,well, whoa, hang on, wait a
minute.
There really shouldn't beanyone else there right now.
Right, and I think we hadtalked about that in one of the
previous episodes where we werewondering if you know, God
created more people.
So then I did look into thatbecause I was like, okay, does

(35:10):
that mean that there's morepeople out there?
And everything that I foundpretty much shut that down and
was like the bible still likestates very clearly that
everyone is descended from Adamand Eve.
Um, and I could be wrong, Icould have maybe not looked in
the right places or whatever,but from what I found it was
very clear about that.
But that kind of threw me for aloop because I was like, wait a

(35:31):
minute, there should have onlybeen like that many, even like,
of course it does say in herethat they had other children.
But I'm like it shouldn't, Idon't know.
It brings you back to the whole.
Everybody lived a long time,you know, and obviously Kane
knew that there was going to beothers from his own family.
But I just wanted to touch onthat really quick because I was

(35:54):
like, wait a minute when hefinds me like there's nobody
else there.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well you, actually bring up a really good point,
and I didn't catch that, but I'mthinking because there was a
point when we get to Seth, Ithink the way that this chapter
reads it's like, because it iskind of in a sequence of events,
it's almost like you kind ofautomatically assume that Cain
was the first one, but itdoesn't actually say that.
In fact it says I have broughtforth a man.

(36:20):
And then when you look at,there's a little D next to it in
my Bible and it says or haveacquired.
So it makes you kind of wonderyou know, was Cain the firstborn
?
And if not, I mean maybe he wasthe firstborn male, right?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, because there's a reasonwhy we're talking about Cain and

(36:44):
we haven't quite gotten to thenames yet, and that will come up
, I think.
And we have to remember who theauthor of this book is.
So it's Moses, right, and whenhe talks about the names he's
describing a very particular setof people that to us kind of
seems like, okay, they lived intents, or okay, they made brass
and iron, or you know.
But to the Israelites who hewas writing this to, they likely

(37:07):
would have known who he wasreferring to Like, oh, this
group of people came from thisline and this group of people
came from this line, right, andthat would have been significant
, because you have to think, atthe time of this writing,
they're already in the desert,wandering around.
They were persecuted in Egyptand they faced, you know, other
trials and issues.

(37:27):
So, and you know theirpatriarchs, the 12 tribes of
Israel, like they had, all youknow, abraham had moved from
place to place and there wereother people, and you know all
of that to say, instead ofthinking of this as, like, cain
was the first, and then therewas Abel and then there was Seth

(37:49):
, maybe it was actually well, no, they weren't.
Maybe Cain was the firstbornman, because of what Eve says
here, but maybe there was a fewwomen that were born before him,
and then maybe there were a fewthat were born between Cain and
Abel, and then Abel just sohappened to be the, you know the
one that Cain killed because ofthis jealousy, this rivalry,

(38:11):
and then, later on, when ittalks about Seth, you know, and
Adam being 130 years old, itdoesn't actually say that they
didn't have children between,you know, cain, abel and Seth.
So, yeah, I think it morereflected his heart really
honestly when I think about it,because I did consider that
passage and I was like it'sinteresting that God called him

(38:34):
out on his killing his brotherand his first reaction was like
whoa, this I just don't thinkit's a little harsh.
God, like if I, you banish mewithout an ability to provide
for myself, other people aregoing to just kill me, like I'm
not going to be able to doanything for anyone because
you've taken away my ability todo what I knew how to do, and

(38:54):
they're going to kill me.
Like he's worried about himself.
That's selfishness, right, it'snot?
Oh, I messed up.
I killed my brother.
I should repent.
I should like yeah, no, it's ashard as like me, my life, I'm
going to be killed, kind ofthing.
Yeah, exactly.
And then I've had him on thatnote.

(39:15):
You know, when God is cursingCain, he says when you mark the
ground, it will no longer yieldits crops for you.
You will be a restless wandereron the earth.
And then when Cain responds,he's like not only are you
driving me from the land, and Iwill be hidden from your
presence, I will be a restlesswanderer on the earth.

(39:38):
So he adds that little piecethere.
I did highlight that because I'mlike, oh, because in my mind I
was like, okay, god's notwalking physically beside them
anymore, like in the garden, buthe's still communicating with
them, he still has relationshipwith them.
And when I thought aboutpresence, I was thinking okay,

(40:01):
what?
In what way does that mean?
Are they meaning that?
Cause I, you know?
Again, I'm thinking, though, wehad separation from God.
You know, we needed Jesus asthe bridge.
God still communicated with theprophets and with his people
throughout the Old Testament.
But that word presence, whenyou look it up, it's actually, I
think, face.

(40:21):
Where is it?
Yes, I will be filled with yourpresence.
In the KJV it says face.
So when you think about thatblessing that God gives, I think
it's in Deuteronomy.
I want to say it's you know it'sthe blessing that our pastor
always says over us.
So you know, turn your facetowards them.
So in my mind I'm thinking thatyou know God's face turned

(40:42):
towards you is a reference tolike his blessings in your life,
right?
So Cain very clearlyunderstands that like God is yes
, he's removing his blessingsfrom him.
What did you think about themark of Cain?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I don't know.
I know this matters.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Right.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know that it matters somuch, as it's more of an
example of God's mercy.
You know, even now, mercy, youknow even now, because Cain is
telling him I'm afraid I'm goingto be killed because of the
consequence that you're givingme.
And God is like all right, wellthen, I will make it so that no

(41:25):
one can kill you.
But yeah, that mark, and I'mlike is it a physical mark?
Where on him is it?
Is it you know?
Can people see it and just know.
Is it a physical mark?
Where on him is it?
Is it you know?
Can people see it and just know.
Is it more of a like, just lookabout cane, that people are
like I don't want nothing to dowith that.
Or, you know again, is itsomething like this physical?
So when I looked up the word,it's off a signal, literally or

(41:49):
figuratively, as a flag, beaconor omen, and then obviously like
the vengeance seven times.
So if anyone kills, were tokill him, then that vengeance
would be, and it's almost like Idon't know.
I feel like this is kind of godlike king was the first one to
introduce murder into the world.
So then you know that vengeance, it's almost like I mean, I

(42:14):
don't know.
I feel like if god wanted toprevent murder, he totally would
have and could have.
So I don't necessarily thinkthe mark was to prevent further
murder, but I think it reallywas more of a gracious, merciful
, yeah.
Response to king's fear.
Yeah, because at the end of theday, god still loved him, right
?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, it just shows that he again kind of what he
demonstrated with Adam and Eve,like he cursed them but still
showed them mercy, still wasgracious, yeah, and he's like
Cain.
I laid it out for you, I laidit out for you, dude.
Yeah, told Cain, I laid it outfor you, I laid it out for you,
dude.
Yeah, told you what to do.
You didn't listen, you killedyour brother.
But I still love you and I'mstill going to protect you.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, what a good God he's there.
You know, anytime we mess up,he's still there, being like hey
, yeah, you messed up, but thisis what you can do about it.
And then we get to choose.
We get to choose to listen,repent.
That word repent literallymeans to quite literally like
turn around, completely turnaround from what you were doing,

(43:19):
what you were thinking, whatroad you were on.
Whatever the case may be, Turnaround towards God and follow
Him and trust Him, and theneverything that happens
thereafter is a directconsequence of the choice that
we make.
You know whether it's good orbad, blessings or curses.
So, yeah, so then king gets togo live in nod, which is um

(43:44):
described as east of eden, whichwe kind of talked about in
episode two.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yes, yes, do you have a map?
I don't.
Well, I did look, I did look atmaps.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Actually I did, yes.
So I kind of went back and Iwas like, ok, we speculated, and
I want to emphasize that wordspeculate, because there's no
way confirmed.
You know, I haven't even doneresearch to see what the actual
scholars, what they think whereEden is, and that they probably
have their own hypothesis.
But from what we kind ofgathered, from what the bible
said and maps and all that, Ithink we came to the speculated

(44:17):
conclusion that e eden couldhave been somewhere around
modern day turkey or armenia, soeast of those two countries,
can you guess?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
it's eerily like coincidental oh, is it give me a
second?
Oh, I'm gonna get it wrong.
I'm gonna get it wrong.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I'm gonna say the wrong word because I tend to get
them confused, I put both ofthem down.
If you're thinking of what Ithink you're thinking of, are
you thinking what I'm thinkingof?
Are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
of the sermon I, yes, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I like to buy a vowel .
I would like to phone a friendplease, Is it okay?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
it's not Israel, because that was God's chosen
plan.
It's the other one, right?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Who's been like a constant player in the wars iraq
, yes, iraq and iran, iran,that's the one that I am right,
all right, very good that'samazing, yes, isn't that amazing
.
So, like here we have kane, whowe have pretty much through his

(45:35):
actions and his struggle withsin, basically direct the linked
him to your offspring will comeagainst her offspring, right,
um.
So he gets sent to the air, theland of nod.
He settles kind of in nod,which again linking that to iran
and iraq, which their religionis primarily muslim.

(45:58):
Right so, and that's gettingyou know, gosh, you could rabbit
hole down that, because youknow, when you trace down the
roots of, and we'll get there,probably later on in genesis,
but when you you dive down andyou follow the roots of how that
religion came to be fromMuhammad.
Muhammad was like their firstprophet, it is literally.

(46:20):
Their eschatology is oh no,that's the wrong word.
I think that's the study of endtimes, that's not the right
word.
But their faith is based on acounterfeit to literally our
Bible.
Like it is so similar.
It is again, just eerilycoincidental.
It's so similar.
They fight the way that theyfight because they believe that

(46:44):
their faith is the true faith.
Their religion is what's right.
Their God, their Allah, is theactual God of creation and their
prophets and Muhammad was, youknow.
They actually acknowledge Jesusas a prophet and he plays a
part in their end time story.
It's very profound and we'llhave to get into it, I think, a

(47:09):
little bit later, when it doescome up in further chapters.
But I just find it so likeSatan's working here.
It's so like Satan's workinghere.
It's connected.
It's connected through theentire Bible up until modern day
times and what's going on today.
Yeah, it's.
This is where I geek out Forsure.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I mean, this is the very first book in the Bible
about the very beginning of ourworld.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, well, and then if you do look at it in Old
Testament times because, I mean,a lot of things have happened,
it's.
You know, back then theyweren't really a nation I don't
remember the name, they became anation, but their religion,
muslim, their Muslim religion,didn't come until oh gosh, what
was it?
580?

(47:51):
I don't remember the exact time.
It was well after christ, likewell after.
So when you look at it from oldtestament times, but when you
look at the map at the back, thebabylonians that was kind of
their whole region, so likemodern day iran, iran and iraq,
like assyrians, babylonians,like all of those that, those

(48:13):
nations, those people that werein constant conflict with the
Israelites, they all lived inthat area.
And again you have to thinkthis is like pre-flood, right,
so God did come and or not come,but you know he flooded the
earth.
Essentially, we'll get intothat in the next chapter but.

(48:35):
I'm kind of trying to keep thatin mind too, because it's like,
okay, this is significant, butalso like we have to remember
the flood did come and then westarted from Noah and his family
, but it almost makes you wonderwhere he wound up and how.
That is just history repeatsitself, right, and how that is
just history repeats itself,Right.
I think I mentioned that in theintroduction to Genesis, where

(48:57):
we have patterns, right, it's aconstant pattern, both from the
Israelites' actions and what Goddoes to sanctify them, to keep
them from preventing thatcross-contamination with the
godly line and the sinful lineso that Jesus could come, and
then Satan's actions, againrepetitive, constantly, like

(49:21):
repeating things.
So I just find it veryinteresting that it's not only
in history, historical events,but geographically as well.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, oh man, oh, it's so interesting.
I know, wow, yeah, so, oh man,oh, it's so interesting.
I know it's hard to not diveinto all of it because I'm so
relevant in coming up here, butwe want to talk about when it
comes up, you know, for peopleright yet or it can get very
following along, but yeah, it'slike, oh, my goodness, when you,
when you read certain things oryou know certain things and you
start to pick up on, you know,um, the, the cross references in

(49:54):
the Bible and your connections,yeah, the connections,
cross-references.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
It's so I really enjoy going back and reading
this, like after.
So I do encourage that you guys, like you know, do your own
reading If you, if God isleading you down, you know a
pathway where you're uncoveringthings and you're wanting to go
back Like, please, it's fun.
The Bible is so interesting andit's so much more.
You know, I feel like peopleare out there searching for

(50:23):
adventure and they're searchingfor like excitement and a good
storyline.
And I'm sorry, I just feel likewhen you actually read the
Bible and you do these deepstudies and you understand
what's actually going down onnot just the physical level but
a spiritual level, like this isthe most amazing like good

(50:45):
versus evil story ever and it'snot, it's not boring, when you,
when you dive into it and youuncover, you know what's going
on in the background, under, inbetween these verses, and God is
putting on your heart liketruth and wisdom and insight and
giving you that it's it reallyis exciting and it's it almost

(51:06):
is also encouraging.
Especially in these times, Ithink it's easy to get defeated
and discouraged when you lookaround at the state of the world
and the people that are, youknow, rejecting God, rejecting
Christianity, rejecting Jesus.
As a Christian, I can get verydefeating, but when you think
about the awesome power of Godhere that we're seeing time and

(51:30):
time again and that we have hehas given us that power I feel
like a warrior.
Yeah you, thank you, lord.
Thank you lord.
And not by myself, like withgod, you know, living in the.
Anyway.
Yeah, yeah, total, huge segue.
Sorry, no, I like it.
So where are we at from there?
so yeah, oh the names to thenames, the names, all these

(51:53):
names are coming through now,not gonna lie, first couple
times I read.
Well, I say first couple timesprobably the second or third
time I've read this, but oh, thegenealogies man it's like why
does this matter?
well, they're so hard topronounce.
They are, yeah, you really haveto like, and we pronounce it
differently than they did backthen.

(52:14):
So it's fun to kind of look itup and attempt not to read off
something.
So, and they're also similar,yeah, so I'm gonna start with.
I think it's enosh, enoch,enosh.
No, because then I read enoch Idid too.
Maybe it is en Enoch.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's probably not.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
No, I think you're right, because Enoch, I think,
is actually spelled S-H, whichyou know, seth's child.
I think he names Enoch, whichagain, very interesting parallel
, but I'll get to that.
Yeah, so Enoch, of course.
I hear the word Enoch or thename Enoch and I think of Noah's
grandfather, great-grandfather,I think it was his grandfather.
Right, yeah, I think of him.

(52:56):
So I'm like, oh, enoch, is thatthe same guy?
It's not, this is a completelydifferent.
So we're talking about Cain'sline now, right, right, all
right.
So Enoch, from the root word,oh gosh, connect figuratively to
initiate or discipline, trainup, which I'm like oh, okay, so

(53:18):
like we're training up this,your child, to basically take on
the same sin patterns as you.
Right, right, like where I wentto, yes, edoc then has a son
named irad, which translates tofugitive, oh my goodness, from
the word Arad to sequesteritself, fugitive also of a

(53:39):
Canaanite and an Israelite, orEret.
So from there, I'm like oh,that was like a subgroup or
people, so this word used todescribe when a Canaanite and an
Israelite came together as afamily.
They created a subgroup ofpeople known as the Eretz.
So far, we've got nothing goodcoming from these names right,

(54:01):
we've got a fugitive we've gotan initiator discipline,
dedicate train up, which can begreat, but we know from Cain's
line it's not going to betrained up in the right way.
Right, it's going to be trainedup to basically be like you

(54:27):
know, kind of arrogant, sinfulperson.
So then he has a son namedmehujao.
Nice, thank you.
I'm pretty sure there's a lotof husks and husks in there, but
and it translates to smitten ofgod, and not in a good way,
smitten, I think oh, lovey,lovey the kissy, kissy, right,
no, it's like smiten, smoten,maybe it's smiten maybe I'm
supposed to say smiten notsmitten, oh wow smiten of god as
in strike, with a firm blowfrom the root, makah to erase,

(54:52):
abolish, blot out or destroy wow, right, I've been messing
aroundnaming these kids.
Oh yeah, no, that like this one, again, like this, is line
after line.
So like in, enoch was king'sson, irad was enoch's son, but,
like you can again, it's thatsnowball effect, right, it's
continuing this sinful line,this ungodly line is continuing

(55:17):
down each generation.
And then there's a little shredof hope Methuselah, which means
man of God, man who is of God,but I mean, I don't know, it
doesn't really say much moreabout him.
So I'm not going to makejudgments, like he was a bad guy
and, you know, maybe not theseother guys either, but anyway.

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So then he has Lamech, andLamech, literally there's not
really a translation for hisword, there was.
So all of these names, they'realso described as antedilurian
patriarchs, which basically,when you look up that word
antedilurian, I think, is howyou say, that it's before the
flood.
So these were all likeancestors of people that lived

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before the flood.
Okay, and they're referred toin that way.
I mean, in a nutshell, each oneof those names, with the
exception of, you know, man whois of God, most of them are not
really rooted in good things.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
So, again, just emphasizing that sin pattern
that ungodly line that just runsbasically in rebellion to God
and in rebellion to Jesus' lineit's not the line you know like

(56:41):
you said, that counterfeit.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah, it's interesting to see the parallel.
I love how Moses lists Cain'sline and then he turns around
and lists well, I think, yeah,from Noah to from Adam to Noah.
So then he'll list the line,you know, the actual godly line,
and again it's.
We read it as like, oh, therewas Cain, then there was Abel,
cain killed Abel, so then theyhad Seth, like there's three,

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that's all there is.
But again, remembering thatthis is it references, by the
time he had Seth he was 130, sothere could have been other
people.
But the emphasis is on the twodifferent lines.
Why does Caneline matter?
That's the offspring of Satan,basically, like that sin, that
breeding of that sin, tendency,that rebellion to God, like you
said.
And then obviously, the godlyline that God chose as the line

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to bring forth the Messiah.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's one of those sections thatI mean myself as a new reader
and I'm sure other readers.
They gloss over it because it'soverwhelming.
You don't know how to say thenames.
It's especially in the nextchapter.
There is quite a long line.
Yeah, I may not be able to gothrough each one of those.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Although our aunt sent us a really good video on
that, which I may.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I may just kind of briefly go over because it
really was like whoa lord yeahyeah, yeah, and I'll include
that video.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
So you know we don't want to like copyright anything
like.
You know, right, claimsomething as our own.
So definitely going to givecredit where credit's due.
But yeah, we'll talk.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Well, maybe we can talk about that on the next one
yeah, oh man I'm excited, butyeah, just every, every single
thing in the bible issignificant oh my gosh you don't
know why it really is.
Something that I used to glossover is now so relevant and,
like you said, even to this day,so it's really neat.
But yes, can you say it lamek?

(58:30):
I think it's lamek.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
But I I'm taking that from the chosen because I think
that guy's name was lameck.
They named the guy that theybuilt the field for his name was
lameck, so I'm pronouncing itthat way, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
So again here we see, and and it's it's mentioned,
not really in a way that wouldstand out a whole lot, but, okay
, I already forgot how we'resaying it Lamech, yeah, lamech
married two women Right off thegate, like going against God's
original design, and it actuallysays in our Bible that this is

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the first time that anyone hadopposed or rebelled against
God's original plan for marriagebetween a husband and a wife.
So here it is again, just thatbred into sin tendency or you
know, sin in general, and it'sgrown even further.
You know, at Bruticane when hemurdered and as far as we know

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that was the first murder for amankind to another mankind and
then now we have Lamech doingthe same thing and distorting
God's plan for marriage.
So I thought that was justagain, like you said, it just
kind of repeats itself in a way,and the sin is just ever

(59:50):
evolving and growing into moreareas of God's plan.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yes, I think emphasizing here exactly this is
the first instance of polygamythat we see right, and I think
it's really just to emphasizeagain how distorted that each
generation is getting, howfarther and farther and farther
away from God and and arighteous life.

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You know that that society isgrowing towards Cause.
At this point.
I mean we have many, manypeople, you know.
I mean this is one line.
And if we assume that Adam andEve had other children, you know
, there we don't know how manypeople were here.
But I mean again, it just putsthat emphasis on that ungodly

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line and how far each generationwas getting, and then his
children.
So then I don't know.
So this is kind of what Ireferenced before.
When Moses is describing fatherof those who live in Tansy
Marie's livestock, to us thatdoesn't tell us much about who
he's talking about, but to theIsraelites they would have known

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who he was referring to and whotheir patriarch, who he's
attributing their patriarch to.
It's this Jabal.
And then same thing with theJubal, and then same thing with
the Jubal.
The video that our aunt sent usabout the music.

(01:01:22):
She brings this up because wesee here Jubal is the father of
all who played stringedinstruments and pipes.
So this line music and I'mparaphrasing from what I saw in
the video which I will includeAgain, this is not my idea, is
that my idea?
She is saying that music,musical instruments, came from
Cain's line, because this Jubalis the one, his, he's the father
of all who created instrumentsand started making music.
Basically, right, yeah, yeah.

(01:01:45):
And then you keep going.
Then you have two ball cane,which basically is just it
translates as son of cane orsomething like that Something
related to like I'm related tocane like, so proud we're proud
to be of cane's line right.
And then when he create, heforged all kinds of tools out of
bronze and iron.

(01:02:06):
First thing that comes to mymind is weapons.
I mean, we know that this is anaggressive, sinful line.
You know bread and anger andjealousy and bitterness and rage
and how they respond toconflict, as we probably see I
don't know if he you know, withlannik and his right his comment

(01:02:28):
right, yeah, yeah, clearly heum also kills a man and it's
it's interesting how hejustifies it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
You know, it's not just I am, and as far as we know
, king didn't do that.
He didn't sit there and say, ohgod, you bestowed favor on him
and that made me upset.
So I did.
I mean god was like, hey, whyare you doing this?
Just stay on the righteous path.
But he's literally justifyingwhy he killed the man.
I have killed a man forwounding me, a young man for

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injuring me.
It says it twice, why this waswell-deserved, you know why it
was okay, why he was going to doit.
And then he goes on to and Ikind of looked into this could
either be like a he has a verycorrupt understanding of god,

(01:03:33):
you know, and and he'sproclaiming that he is respect
you're not respecting.
But he's acknowledging thatthere is a god and he kind of
has this distorted view of himclaiming this, this protection
that god put on cain, saying, ohwell, you know, if cain bought
it like, I'm gonna get it andbuy a bunch more you know god's

(01:03:56):
protection.
And then b he's just flat outbeing defiant in this statement
and basically celebrating hisown evil of like.
Well, he's being like boastfulabout what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Yes, I think that's probably his heart right there.
Yeah, and I do think that youcan read this a couple of
different ways like that, buthe's bragging about it.
Essentially, you know, he'slike hey, wives, listen, listen
to me, listen to what I did.
I killed this guy.
Just for what was it?
Wounding me, a young man, forinjuring me, you know?

(01:04:35):
And then turning around andsaying if Cain is avenged seven
times, then Lamech like refersto himself in the third person
Right Lamech 77 times, lamex 77times.
The number's significant andit's different from 70 times 7,
which is so 7 is like in theBible.

(01:04:56):
The number 7 is significantbecause it's representative of
completeness.
70 times 7 is like perfectcompleteness, so like infinite,
limitless right.
So I'm not quite sure if thisis referenced in the same way.
Jesus says 70 times seven whenreferring to forgiving someone.

(01:05:19):
He's saying here's 77.
But I think it's close enoughthat I think the heart is clear.
Here he is boasting aboutkilling another man, he's
arrogant, he's proud of hisactions and now he's also
essentially kind of blaspheming.
You have to remember the markthat God gave.

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Cain was done out of mercy andin response to Cain's expression
of the fear of his life.
God put the mark to make surethat Cain would not be killed
and that was a loving, graciousgesture out of response to
Cain's admitted fear.

(01:06:01):
This is quite clearly like, well, I killed a man, so I did it
just because he hurt me, and ifCain was avenged seven times,
I'm going to be even better kindof thing, you know, and again
distorting what God had intendedfor, an act of great Like.
Again, this line could havelooked back and been like but

(01:06:23):
God was still good, god stillput this mark so that he
wouldn't be killed, that he, youknow, he, we would have a
chance.
But they squash it Like theyjust they take it for granted
and they take it as far asblaspheming, it almost like
throwing it back in God's face,like what are you going to do
now, god?
Right, kind of.

(01:06:43):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, surely I am even betterthan Cain.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
So, I'm going to be avenged more.
I wonder too, if that number 77is kind of, you know, like you
said, the whole counterfeit line.
So it's not 70 times 7.
It's 77.
Right, so it's still.
It's so similar, so similar,but does not have the same
significance, doesn't have thesame importance that God puts on

(01:07:08):
it.
It's their own spin, right,exactly, yeah oh man so good so
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
so then I mean basically the you know, we get
to the end of this descriptionof cain's line, and I really
think moses was trying toemphasize how evil things were
getting in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, you know and how worse yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
And then he kind of ends with setting up chapter
five, or it's not, he didn'twrite it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
It's like oh chapter five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
You know he's transitioning from OK, here's
the ungodly line.
Now we're going to move towardsGod's line, the one that he
chose.
So, yeah, the inner Seth.
Yeah, so 425, eve gives birthto a son and named him Seth.
Again, she says God has grantedme another child in place of

(01:08:05):
Abel, since Cain killed him, inplace of Abel, since Cain killed
him, she is again giving Godacknowledgement, acknowledging
his work, that God has giftedher with Seth.
The name Seth, sheath, whichmeans substituted, oh, wow,

(01:08:27):
uh-huh, from the root sheath,which had a lot of meanings, but
basically set, made, lay, put,appoint or regard.
Clearly, god has appointed theMessiah to come through Seth and
Eve knew it.

(01:08:47):
And it makes me wonder if Abel,so Seth, was a replacement to
Abel.
So I'm almost.
I think this is speculation,but I think had Cain not killed
Abel, christ would have comethrough Abel's line.
Yeah, there is a reason whySatan wanted Cain to kill Abel.

(01:09:07):
There is a reason why Satanwanted Cain to kill Abel.
There was a reason why Seth wasappointed as the substitute,
quite literally in his name, toreplace Abel Dang.
Yeah, wow, that's speculation.
Again, that's just my thoughts.
Couldn't be completely honest,but anyway.
Well, I mean, it almost says itright there God has granted me
another child in place of abelsince cain killed him right, so

(01:09:32):
it just gives me the like I justget so giddy because I'm like
hey, satan, you just died andgod's like shah right here's, so
here's seth, like my will, willbe done right.
Nothing is going to comeagainst what I want done and
this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
this is just.
It's something that continues.
It's a pattern throughout theBible.
Like you said, satan alwaysthinks that he's going to thwart
God's plans and finally dig thehammer in the nail, and God is
always a million steps ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Yeah, so Seth has a son, names him Enosh, which,
when you look at the parallelEnoch, Enosh Very confusing
right out the gate.
Yep.
So again, just kind of like aparallel, and we'll get into his
genealogy in the next chapterand his name just means son of

(01:10:29):
seth, and then that, that lastsection of this verse.
At that time people began tocall on the name of the lord.
I was like, okay, people, whichpeople are we talking about?
Because I thought, oh, that's agood thing, maybe even like
some of the family members inKing's line were like it's
getting nuts in here.
We need God, let's return toGod.

(01:10:51):
But no, I truly think that thisis Seth's line, this is the
godly line, who are being loyalto God, who are depending on him
, who are calling on the name ofthe Lord.
And sets the stage essentiallyfor Noah, yeah, lord.

(01:11:12):
And sets the stage essentiallyfor noah, yeah, the righteous
man that god decides to savebecause of, because of his
faithfulness.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's all I got, man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I don't even know.
We're probably pushing twohours are we really?
But what are we at?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I don't know.
I always feel like it's longerthan it is and I hit stop and a
lot to unpack all right.
Yeah, I know, I was trying tokind of look for one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Maybe I mean it's kind of cool to surprise the ice
with them.
Yeah, that was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah, especially when we we felt the same one right,
okay, yeah, no, we don't have,we don't have to rush through it
yeah, yeah, I think that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I somewhat have one in mind, but which one are you
thinking you're gonna?
Okay, let's go back.
I just said, uh, I'm kind ofthinking about um four, six, of
course, but that is a long one.
I don't know if I can pull itoff.
Oh, you can do.
Can do it.
Oh wait, well, actually, wellfour six and four seven, oh yeah
, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Well, maybe four seven, maybe seven, because it's
kind of like, if you do what isright, right, yeah, yeah and
then the sin crouching at yourdoor Like that's just so big.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I just imagine this awful ugly Satan.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Creature like creature like working in the
darkness, you know, by the doorand how you can.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Then he says but you must go over it, yeah, and so I
like that one.
I think I'm gonna do that.
That's good.
Sorry, I know I totally changedwhat I just said.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Oh, I'm good um, I'm trying to think about that one.
I don't know I like that.
You know I might just do thesame one.
Yeah, memorize the samescripture yeah, yeah, and that's
really profound, yeah, becauseI mean I think out of all of
this, like there's a bunch ofgood stuff in here, but I think,
when it comes down to the tools, you know pulling scripture out

(01:13:00):
as a sword against the enemy,knowing that, you know having a
visual of sin's desire for us,but God quite literally saying
you must rule over it.
You have, I have given you thetools that you need.
I've done it already.
Jesus has done it already.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
He's come, he's defeated, death in the grave.
We have power in him to ruleover it.
Yeah, literally.
So.
Yeah, great, cool, awesome,well, thank you guys.
Yay, another episode down.
I cannot believe.
What is this five?
I think we see that in episode.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
What episode is this, yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
episode five.
So we're doing our best to getthese kind of down to a routine
right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Right, as we said before, the scheduling can be a
challenge.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Yeah, but they're with us.
Yes, yeah, well, you know, atthe very minimum, hopefully at
least once a month, but we aretrying to dial it in and get it
at least every two weeks.
But thank you guys for tuningin.
Please feel free to check outthe videos that I'm going to
include in this episode.
If you have any questions oranything, your thoughts, reviews

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, we'll take it all.
Yeah, bring it on.
Yeah, let us know.
If you want a t-shirt says kick, rap, sing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
yeah, we should take a poll and see how many people
would.
Um would want that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yes, awesome okay, so shoot next.
Next episode, chapter five, allabout Adam to Noah.
All right, you guys.
Thank you.
We'll see you next time.
Until then, keep praying andstay fed by the word of God.
Bye guys, bye everyone.