April 28, 2025 • 59 mins
Satan's first deception wasn't a blatant lie but a subtle distortion. "Did God really say...?" With these words, he planted seeds of doubt about God's goodness that continue to sprout in our lives today. In Genesis 3, we witness humanity's catastrophic fall from perfect fellowship with God into sin and separation – a moment that fundamentally altered every relationship we experience.
What makes this chapter so powerful is seeing how quickly Eve's perception changed after that initial seed of doubt. The forbidden fruit suddenly appeared "good for food," "pleasing to the eye," and "desirable for gaining wisdom." This progression from temptation to justification to action mirrors our own struggles with sin so closely it's almost uncomfortable to read. And when Adam accepts the fruit without question, we're confronted with how profoundly our choices affect those around us.
The aftermath reveals another timeless pattern: instead of owning their actions, Adam and Eve hide in shame and shift blame. Adam points fingers at both Eve and God himself, while Eve blames the serpent. Yet despite their rebellion, God responds with a remarkable blend of justice and mercy. While pronouncing consequences for their actions, He also makes the first sacrifice—clothing them with animal skins—and delivers the first gospel promise that one day, the offspring of woman would crush the serpent's head.
This isn't just ancient history; it's the story playing out in our lives whenever we question God's goodness, follow our own wisdom, or try to cover our shame with inadequate solutions of our own making. But it also contains the incredible hope that God's redemptive plan began unfolding the very moment we needed it most. The same God who walked in Eden seeking His rebellious children continues to seek relationship with us today, having made a way back through Jesus Christ.
How does understanding the original fall change your perspective on temptation and God's redemptive plan? We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments or through a review!
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's up everybody and welcome to what in the Bible
?
We are two sisters readingthrough Genesis to Revelation
for the very first time andasking the question every new
believer is thinking what in theactual Bible?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I am one of your hosts, Jenna, and hello everyone
.
I am Audrey.
We want to welcome you to ourpodcast.
Thank you for tuning in.
In this episode we areattacking Genesis, chapter three
, which covers the fall.
Lots of fun stuff to talk about, Absolutely.
You know we're recording theday after Resurrection.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Sunday so.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I think that's fun too, especially as we get into
chapter three, because I meanthat's essentially like what
Jesus did, that resurrection.
It all started from the fallright, I mean that whole plan
started from the fall, so I'mreally excited to get into it
and start talking about thesignificance.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, me too.
It couldn't have been bettertiming.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Amen.
So before we do that, we'regoing to attempt to say our
scripture that we memorized yesyou are going first this week,
okay, I kind of knew that wascoming.
Okay, oh, man, all right.
So my scripture was Genesis 2,23 through 25.
The man said this is now boneof my bones and flesh of my
(01:41):
flesh.
She shall be called womanbecause she came out of man.
No, she was taken out of man.
This is why a man leaves hisfather and mother and is united
to his wife and the two becomeone flesh.
Adam and his wife were bothnaked and they did not feel
(02:03):
shame yeah, I think, yeah, thatwas a long one yeah, shoot, I
stumbled super impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
was it.
No, you did great on that sheshall be called woman, for she
was taken out of man yeah, Ithink you said that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, that's good.
Thank you, I'm sweating, I know, I know I almost wore a sweater
today, but I I'm like man, itis like 89 today.
It is no longer sweater weather, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, the mornings have been cool.
Yeah, it was 60 this morningwhen I woke up.
Yeah, and that is your weatherreport.
For what?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, it's hot already.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's April and it's hot.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, okay, mine was Genesis 2-3.
Okay, mine was Genesis 2-3.
A quick glance at the text.
A quick glance, okay.
Then God blessed the seventhday and made it holy, because on
it he rested from all the workof creating that he had done.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Woo oh leg drop.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, that was harder than I thought it would be.
I am not good at this.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You're over there quick, just in the zone, and I'm
like I did look at it a littlebit more than the previous verse
, so I think you know it wasn'tjust like.
Oh, let me just memorize thisin two minutes, because that's
not how.
No, I have to have repetitionfor sure.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, Well, you did what we were supposed to do and
actually you know, read it,digest it, look into it,
research it, figure out thecontext, what it really means.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah Well, I mean I wouldn't go that far.
Yeah well, I mean I want to gothat far.
Think about it a couple oftimes.
Yeah yeah, good job, that wasreally good.
Oh well, thanks, okay, so thefall, the fall.
We need to get like one ofthose boards we do.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh my gosh, our whole podcast would just be filled
with noises we'd be fightingover.
Yeah, do-do-do-ch, we needthose.
I love it.
Oh my gosh, Our whole podcastwould just be filled with noises
.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
We'd be fighting over the little keyboard.
Yes, you guys would probably beannoyed, yeah.
Like if you get through oneepisode without me like oh my
gosh, make it stop For sure.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
All right, okay.
So what were some of your bigones, sister?
Oh gosh, all 14 of your verses,pages.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Over there.
It's like, yeah, not like eightverses that I'll talk about.
I'm like, oh okay, I have likeeight pages, let's see what can
we dive into first.
I kind of went about it in likea systematic, just like from
the beginning to the end kind ofway.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, I did that too.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, cool, yeah, so okay, In the first few verses we
see Satan tempting Eve for thefirst time.
I highlighted three, I guessit's the first one, no, yes,
first one.
At the end when he says he saidto the woman did God really say
you must not eat from any treein the garden?
(05:10):
So right there, it's like thatone little statement that you
could gloss over and think okay,yeah, he asked her a question,
but what he does with it is he'sinserting that that toe right,
he's, he's getting the foot inthe door to cause eve to
question the goodness of god,yep, to question the command
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that he had given exactly.
And that is essentially thatlittle seed that was planted you
know, we talk about seeds beingplanted a lot in in our faith
and that that little foot thathe got in the door with Eve in
her mind caused her to turnaround and then change her
perception of the goodness ofGod and also her perception of
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the tree itself and the fruit ofthe tree.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, absolutely, I wrote that down as well as, just
right out the gate, satandistorts God's word in our
brains and, like you said, heplants that question of well, is
this really what he meant?
I mean, let's dissect that alittle bit, let's just bend that
boundary line just a tad, justto make sure that that's what he
(06:18):
really meant.
So, and I mean it just, youknow, as we know, he does that
today.
He's very good at distortingwhat God said and trying to kind
of counterfeit, like we'vealways talked about, the words
of God, the commands that he'sgiven us.
Yeah, like you said, he justinserts it, just enough to make
us, hmm, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And I think you know kind of going along that point,
just getting the foot in.
I think you know kind of goingalong that point when we talk
about counterfeit it's like itlooks very similar to the real
(07:13):
deal but it's false.
Yeah, it's a fraud, it's afraud.
So then he says in 3.4, youwill not certainly die, the
serpent said to the woman.
For God knows that when you eatfrom it, your eyes will be
opened and you will be like God,knowing good and evil it, your
eyes will be opened and you willbe like God, knowing good and
evil.
So he's using truth, Right, buthe's twisting it to cause Eve
again to question oh, you won'tdie, and while you know, as we
(07:36):
see, after she ate the fruit shedidn't drop dead, Right?
So some truth there, right,Right, Exactly.
And then also, when you look atwhich this is another verse I
want to get to eventually, buttowards the end of the chapter,
when God is speaking and he saysthe man has now become like one
of us, knowing good and evil,Confirmation that that statement
(07:59):
was true.
Like, yes, eating that fruitdid make them like God, Right,
Like yes, eating that fruit didmake them like God.
But when Satan, you know again,when he gives you that well,
you'll not certainly die.
Well, no, they don't physicallydie right away, but that does
open the door for physical deathand, more importantly,
spiritual death.
Right, Right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Exactly that separation from God.
Yeah, I wrote that all downalmost verbatim for what you
said.
Yeah, I think that's just sorelevant to the battles that we
face, even with Satan you know,in our own spiritual battle and
knowing that he likes to takeour truths and he likes to take
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things that are true and justtwist and distort and use it to
ultimately separate us from God,which is what he did right here
, right in the very beginning.
And that's why I think it's soimportant, that's why we're
doing this, guys, so that weknow what God's truth is.
Back to, you know, youreferenced when Jesus was in the
desert being tempted by thedevil, and the devil would do
this exact thing where he tookGod's word and tried to distort
(09:06):
it and apply it, and Jesusalways came back with yes, but
the word also says this, andthat's why what you're saying is
not true.
So that's why it's so importantto be in God's word, so
important to understand thecontext, so that when the devil
comes at you with these falsetruths or these true distortions
, you can be like, yeah, but youknow what Kick rocks, because
(09:27):
this is what my God actuallysays.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, I love that.
Kick rocks Satan.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Kick rocks.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Satan Put that on a t-shirt.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Bumper sticker.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, my first merch Kick rocks Satan.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
When I start rambling , you never know what you're
gonna get.
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, that's awesome.
I love that so kind of.
In addition, like, since we'retalking about this little chunk
of scripture here, I alsothought it was interesting that
and I think our study bibleprobably even acknowledges it,
but this got brought up in aconversation with one of my
friends it's like thisprogression of being tempted to
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actually committing sin, and Ifound it very interesting to
have this kind of visual pictureand how that can be applied to
our everyday lives and when wedo get tempted, what that looks
like and then these thingshappen that can lead to you
actually sinning.
So Eve, when she was asked bythe devil about the fruit, she
(10:32):
confirmed that God said thatthey may eat fruit from the
trees in the garden.
But then she goes on to addsomething.
She doesn't just stick to thefacts of what God did say, but
she then says and you must nottouch it or you will die.
So she added her own littlepiece in there.
So she's already starting tolike change her perception,
(10:54):
right, she's already starting tolike interpret things on her
own and not relying on God,right?
So then in verse six it says sofirst she saw the fruit, that it
was good for food.
So again changing, like addingher own interpretation to it,
like, oh well, that tree is goodfor food.
(11:17):
Right, but, as you mentioned,god had already provided for
them plentifully.
It's not like they werestarving in this destitute
desert with nothing.
It happened upon this tree andit was like I need food.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm salivating.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Exactly Like.
No, it was like you know, shesaw it and she's like oh well,
yeah, it's food, like it's goodfor food Right.
So you're like justifying yourthoughts already.
Yes, so, then she goes onno-transcript why I want to take
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this piece of fruit right now.
I like it, it's attractive,it's pleasing to the eye, it
looks delicious and I'm going togain from it.
So all of these things, it'slike selfishness, right?
It's this self-servingmotivation for and justification
to take this thing that youwere commanded not to like.
You knew you weren't supposedto have, but you're like.
(12:34):
But X, Y, Z reasons like thisis.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It must be good because of all this.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So then it goes from that all of these like thoughts
about why it's okay to actuallytaking it, and I really like how
it says she took some and ateit.
Like that taking.
To me it just sounds so likewrong.
I don't know Like I don't knowhow else to say, but just the
fact that almost like stealingkind of like you took something
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that was not intended for you.
So you know, from all of thatit's, you know, taking what's
not for us, what God doesn'thave for us, because of our
fleshly desires, because oftemptation, because we started
to serve ourselves and our ownfleshly desires, for us to turn
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around and then take what wasnot ours, to have, what God had
told us not.
So, essentially going our ownway, you know, yeah, and as we
all know, then comes all theconsequences of that decision
yeah, oh, that's so good.
Yeah, and then she doesn't stopthere, right, she keeps going
Wait, there's more.
She then encourages her husbandto eat it, and I mean that for
(13:48):
me is so profound, and I thinkI'd talk about this later on,
also during the curse.
But the fact that she not onlydisobeyed, but then she turned
around and encouraged herhusband to disobey.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yep, yep, I wrote that down too and definitely
wanted to talk about that, justbecause I know that it's not on
us to save others.
You know, like it's not our jobto save others, it's solely God
and what he can do to saveothers.
We can't save people.
Such a blatant reminder of whoyou have around you and who is
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in your life is so importantbecause we could cause others to
stumble.
Others could cause us tostumble.
It is so important that we areinfluencing those around us our
partners, our spouses, ourfriends in a positive way, that
we're not causing them tostumble in this way and vice
versa.
Where we're choosing ourpartners, our spouses, our
friends in a positive way, thatwe're not causing them to
stumble in this way, and viceversa.
Where we're choosing ourpartners, our spouses, our
friends, knowing that our groupmatters, who we surround
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ourselves with matters.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Who you fellowship with.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, yeah, because it's like Adam didn't even blink
an eye.
He was just like cool, doesn'tsay a whole lot, just she gave
it to him and he ate it it'sjust like thanks, girl.
So it's like it's just soimportant who you have in your
circle absolutely amen to that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I also found it very interesting verse 3 7, when it
talks about then.
Their eyes were open and theyrealized they were naked and
they sewed fig leaves togetherand made coverings for
themselves.
So I found it very interestingthat, and the minute that sin
entered so this you know.
(15:39):
Again, I feel like these areverses where you can gloss over
it because it's like, okay, theyate a piece of fruit, then they
knew they were naked and theydecided to make clothes for
themselves.
But when you understand whatthat action did, that's we're
literally reading sin enteringinto the world, right there.
(15:59):
And what is the first thingthey feel?
Shame, Right, Yep.
Like wow, Not so again, thistree, this knowledge of good and
evil, but yet the first thingthat they experience after
eating it is evil, is shame,Right, yeah, no good came of
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that.
No, no good whatsoever.
And then the fact that theysewed fig leaves together and
made coverings for themselves.
So that when I was reading thisI was like typical, Like we try
and hide our sin from God, fromothers around us, from those we
love, from the church, fromeach other.
(16:44):
We want to cover it up, but I'msorry, fig leaves in the middle
of winter ain't going to doanything for the rest of the
year, Just in the same way thatthe way that we try and cover up
our sin.
It doesn't do anything, it'sineffective.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, only God.
And, as we'll see, you know,once he discovers what they've
done, how you know his responseyeah, Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Oh, I love when we're on point together.
So, I have literally all thishiding from the Lord in shame,
same thing we do today when wesin.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, yes, thank you, lord.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yes, our sister brains are working.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yes, the Holy Spirit in us.
Thank you, Lord.
So I have another one at 3.8.
I feel like the character ofGod is starting to come out here
.
Yeah, you know.
Yes, Adam and Eve hide becausethey?
Know, they're like oh, wemessed up, we got messed up and
(17:45):
they're feeling shame and againthey're trying to cover it and
hide it to keep it out of thelight, right?
So God knows, they're hidinglike he knows everything, you
know.
He's just like strollingthrough the garden like, hmm,
where's Adam and Eve?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
He knows.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, he knows they're hiding, but he's like he
calls out anyway, he's not likeget out here, get out here
exactly.
Yeah, you are in trouble,exactly, you're in trouble.
Come answer to me right whatyou've done wrong.
What did you do?
No, it's I know what you didright.
Yes, so he's like where are you?
(18:17):
You know, he gives them theopportunity to come to him.
He doesn't command that theycome to him and face him and
face the consequences.
What a loving, awesome father.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, they just ruined everything that he did.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
He just literally like shut Well, he didn't, they
didn't flush the plan becauseGod they didn't ruin it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It was part of it, yeah, but still.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But they rejected it, right, right.
I think our Bible actually says, yeah, rejection of the
creator's plan.
Yeah, they listen to a createdthing over their creator, but in
his loving, merciful, awesomegoodness, he does not force
himself on them.
Yeah, he allows them to come tohim.
He's you know, and I can't.
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I look back at times when I'veparented and been like, get over
here.
You know right, and it's just.
God is so good Again.
I just think that his charactercoming through in these verses
is so beautiful.
You know the way that hedisciplines them.
He's not like oh it's okay,we'll clean, I'll clean up your
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mess, we'll figure it out.
Yeah, this was wrong, but Ilove you and I have a plan to
make it right.
And not only that, but againwhat he does later when he
covers them with actual animalskin.
Yeah, you know, he continues totake care of them, he continues
to provide for their needs.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Even after their fall .
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So this next chunk, I think, is going to be quite the
conversation.
So basically like 310 through,I mean pretty much until God
curses them all.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, god's like I've been kind.
Okay, now for now for thepunishment.
All yeah, god's like I've beenkind.
Okay, now for the punishment.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, so just to discuss it, because obviously
the act of Adam or Eve beingable to say I messed up, lord, I
messed up, it happened, Imessed up, help me through it.
Neither one is able to do that.
I wrote simply again for thefact of just wanting to talk
about this entire section.
I just wrote Adam throwing Eveunder the bus.
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Adam's like I don't know, Lord,it was that woman you put with
me.
It just kind of made me giggle.
I mean, obviously this isextremely serious and we're not
making fun of it, but it justmade me laugh because I'm like
man.
And then, of course, you know,Eve turns around and just blames
the devil.
And honestly, I can sit hereand say very confidently that I
do that all the time.
I'm like, oh, it's the enemy.
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Oh, the enemy made me react inthat way.
The enemy caused me to be madabout this or hold a grudge
against this person, or or saythis word because this went
wrong.
And I think that's easy to do.
And of course, yeah, a lot ofit is the enemy.
But to a certain extent we needto be able to say that is on me
.
I let that happen, I yelled outof anger, I hurt this person,
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so, and clearly it's, I mean,from the very beginning.
That's very hard to do.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes, what I love most about this is there's what's
called, I think, inherited sinor something like that, where we
will have natural tendencies tosin in a certain way, and this
is essentially what we're seeinghere Adam not being able to
hold himself accountable to hisown actions, putting the blame
off.
I find it pretty profound thathe's like well, it's that woman,
(21:43):
you put in here Like he blamesGod.
Like the first person he blamesis God, and then yeah, and then
Eve is the one that made me takeand eat it.
But I really, like our Biblepoints out, god didn't.
He didn't give that command toEve, right?
I mean, yes, she was, you know,Underneath, her husband
Underneath, and required tofollow that command.
(22:05):
Right, you know it wasn't like,well, I only gave that command
to Adam and Eve, you're exempt.
No, like she had to follow it,just like Adam.
But God spoke it directly toAdam, which I think is why Adam
gets not harsher punishment.
But I feel like he's like, youknow, I think our Bible points
out, when he's talking to thewoman, he doesn't actually say
curse.
Right you know he doesn'treference that word curse, but
(22:27):
he does use it when he's talkingto the serpent and to Adam,
mm-hmm.
But then, like you said, forthen Eve to turn around and then
be like, well, it was Satan.
Right, you know, and I lovethat you bring that up in terms
of us putting blame on Satan,right, because it is so easy to
just be like, well, that was theenemy.
(22:48):
You know, maybe we're like,yeah, forgive me, lord, but it
was the enemy kind of thing,no-transcript, sinning in your
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anger by allowing it to controlyou.
You know, maybe it's a fleshlydesire, whatever the case may be
, but, yeah, I think that'sreally dangerous for Christians.
You know, we do need to beaccountable to God, to each
other, when we mess up and, yeah, acknowledge and know when
we're being tempted, but not forthe point of being able to be
like, well, that was, you know,to put off blame onto Satan, but
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to be able to recognize it whenit does happen, so that we can
submit to God, we can resist thedevil and he will flee and we
can get through that temptationwith God's help, without falling
into sin.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
There's no way for us to growand change unless we, like you
said, take accountability andsay, yes, this devil might have
started it, but I finished itand I went along with it.
And you, just, you cannotchange unless you can sit here
and admit that you yourself madethat decision.
Absolutely Hard pill to swallowsometimes, absolutely,
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especially when it's somethingthat you're working on a lot and
you keep fumbling and you'relike man, why do I keep doing
that?
Why do I keep yelling in myanger?
Why do I keep doing this whenI'm upset?
Why does this keep happening?
And it's like man, the enemy isjust on me, the enemy is just
(24:44):
on me and that's like, and thatcan absolutely be the case, but
I think that's where you justtake from Adam and Eve and go to
God instead, don't take fromthem and don't do what they did
and rely on their ownunderstanding.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Go to God.
I think it's very interestingbecause what just popped into my
mind right now is some of thosetimes may not be the enemy.
It may actually be God offeringyou opportunities to grow and
to respond in the way thatyou've been praying him, you
know, in the way you've beenasking him to help you through.
Because God's not going to justsnap his fingers and boom.
(25:09):
You're the most calm, patientparent or, you know, have these
things that you're asking for hedoes in some circumstances.
I think I've heard of peoplewho had these addictions prior
to coming to the faith and thenthey say yes to Jesus and he
just takes that desire away andwe don't know why.
I think that was in one of oursermons recently.
(25:32):
But I think in these areas ofgrowth like this, I think it's
not always the enemy tempting us.
I definitely think he uses thatas an opportunity to be like
pointing a finger and be likesee, like again instilling that
shame, see, you can't change,you're always going to be the
same.
You keep responding in the waythat you do.
Why even try?
You know all these negativethings like he can use that.
(25:53):
But I think a lot of times whenwe ask for something, god
answers, but he answers in a waythat's oh, you want to be more
patient?
Okay, here's an opportunity foryou to practice being patient.
Yeah, yeah, that's when growthhappens.
Absolutely the more of thoseopportunities we get.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, for sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So just to kind of piggyback onto what you had
already initiated with theselovely verses here, to kind of
piggyback onto what you hadalready initiated with these
lovely verses here Again, thefact that Adam, like you said,
like he doesn't respond in a waythat's like, yeah, lord, I
messed up, I'm here.
He doesn't say I'm hidingbecause I did what you told me
not to do.
He's literally like I'm hidingbecause I was naked and I didn't
(26:36):
want you to see me, so I hid.
Like he's still trying to hidewhat he did, right, and not fess
up to it, right.
So just to kind of dive a littlebit deeper in this, the husband
setting an example for his wifebecause he blames God and Eve
first, she sees that and shebasically replicates the
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behavior.
She turns around and puts theblame on Satan.
So, husbands, as the headshipof your family, setting that
example for your family of thosegood choices and those bad
choices, holding yourselfaccountable, admitting when you
messed up, submitting to God,that to me was like very black
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and white.
A husband setting that examplefor his wife In turn, the
scriptures prior, when Eveessentially was the door for him
to sin.
Wives, mothers, your choices,what you allow, what you, the
temptations that you do giveinto, can affect your whole
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family and can cause them tofollow suit and to sin.
Your husbands, your children, Imean, I'm that's like whoa, like
Lord, help me.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Absolutely.
I think that that kind ofrevolves back to even what we
were talking about before, whereit's like who is in your life,
who is in your family, and thenwhat you let in.
I mean, it can cause you tostumble if you're surrounding
yourself, if the people closestto you are people that are going
to drag you down, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, that's good, no pressure.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No pressure.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No pressure, yeah, to make the right decisions.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, thankfully we don't have to do it without God.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, exactly Because we can't, we cannot.
I mean, this is proof righthere on paper saying you cannot
do it by yourself, right?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I love that.
God curses the serpent first.
You know, right, he gives eachperson the opportunity to be
like yeah, I messed up, what didyou do?
What happened?
Explain it to me.
They decide to put the blame onothers.
He deals with Satan first.
I love that.
Yeah, so God curses the serpent.
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That word curses pronouncedR-R-R, r-r-r, r-r-r.
That word curse is pronouncedarar.
Sounds fitting, yeah, which I'mgoing to butcher this I'm sorry
to execrate, which means feelor express great loathing.
For to bitterly curse, we hearall the time like God hates sin.
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But when you break down thatcurse the curse, he's cursing
the serpent.
Great loathing, for I mean, godtruly does hate sin, um, and
satan yeah and then when he goeson in verse 15, putting that
enmity enmity which istranslated and pronounced a ball
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, which is translated andpronounced Abah, which is
hostility or hatred Again thathatred word and it's used five
times in five different versesand I actually did go to some of
these to kind of look up andsee, wow, like it's only used.
I find those words that areonly used a few times in the
Bible like those are prettysignificant words.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I think I don't want to go through each one and
I'll say them here so that youguys can look them up if you
want to.
I think and I got these fromour study Bible, so your study
Bible might have similar ordifferent but numbers 35, 21
through 22, I thought wasactually pretty interesting
because it's talking about theconsequences of murder.
But it distinguishes betweenmurder of like an intentional
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act of murder, like you straightup went out and like killed
this person, like you knew whatyou were doing and you did it on
purpose.
That deserves death.
Basically, when you look upnumbers, and then the other
situation is it was an accident,basically Like you did not have
hatred in your heart, you didnot have that intent to take
life, and in that case I thinkthe consequence was like
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banishment or something untilsome high priest dies or
something like that.
I'm sorry you guys, like I said, I'm paraphrasing, but, like
you know, there was asignificance there when hatred
is present, when it's notpresent, kind of thing.
Yeah, romans 8, 7 was anothergood one.
Romans 8, 7, the mind governedby the flesh is hostile.
So that same word to God.
It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so?
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So we're getting this pictureof you know, that enmity, that
opposition to God, not justseparation from God, but that
complete opposition to and hereit's pointing out, you know,
mind governed by the flesh.
So, like any of our fleshlydesires, anytime we give into
that temptation, we commit sin.
We are in direct opposition toGod and that he hates.
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He hates sin, you know, I thinkwe talked about when he
basically smites what's theirnames and acts, and like they
literally just dropped deadbecause they lied about the
money, and it's like whoa Lord,like Jesus just died for
everyone's sins, likeforgiveness, all that stuff, and
like here you are smiting twopeople, like literally like a
book after the gospels, you know.
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But I think you know, as ourpastor explained to us, this is
an example of how God feelsabout sin and he will not
tolerate it.
He's not going to tolerate sin.
Yeah, so James 4.4, that's theone I really want to get to,
because I thought that was likepretty cool.
All right, ready, yes, let'shear it.
You adulterous people.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right out the gate.
Right out the gate.
Dishonor on you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Dishonor on you, dishonor on your calf.
Yes, you, adulterous people,don't you know that friendship
with the world means enmityagainst god.
Therefore, anyone who choosesto be a friend of the world
becomes an enemy of god.
And I just felt so stronglylike that is still present today
(32:32):
.
Yeah, you know.
You, adulterous people like you, are cheating on god with the
world.
You're're allowing these,whatever it may be, it may be
your job, it may be materialthings riches, fame, your own
glorification, all of thosethings.
When you allow them to come inand take over priority in your
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life, you are essentiallycheating on God.
You know, committing adulteryon your faith with God.
When you choose the flesh,anytime you choose any of that,
you are putting yourself inenmity.
And again, that word hatred,hostility.
Like you are opposing God andeverything that he has done, his
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love for you, essentiallyrejecting him for created things
Right, Right.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, this world is all about self-satisfaction and
self-reliance, and I mean wejust we've talked about that
before of just how this worldjust is so self-centered.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So I mean self-centered?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yep, absolutely.
So I mean it makes sense.
Yeah, you can't be in the worldand with God you have to be.
Apart from that, that'ssomething that I'm trying really
hard to teach my oldest rightnow.
I mean you can even teach it toyour younger kids, but
obviously, when they startgetting older, it's something
that you know.
Sometimes he's like mom, youknow, like sometimes I feel like
I'm kind of like I don't fit in.
Or you know, if a bunch of kidsthink that I'm weird or
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whatever the case, and I'm like,if you are not like the rest,
then you are doing somethingright Like we.
God, his word, says that wewere created apart for his glory
, for his purpose, not for ourown.
So if you don't feel like youfit in with the other 30 kids in
your class, glory to God.
I don't want that, god doesn'twant that.
(34:24):
I know that that's hard, I knowthat there's struggles, and
that's another whole other topicthat we could have.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Second Corinthians 12,.
Paul talks about the thorn inhis side, and we don't know what
the thorn is.
It could be spiritualoppression, could be a physical
ailment, but he talks about, youknow, his weaknesses.
God's powers made perfect inour weaknesses, and so he
rejoices in his weaknesses.
And he goes on to describe notjust physical ailments or
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spiritual attack, but alsopersecution from others.
And as Christians, we knowthat's part of it.
Yeah, you know.
And the Beatitudes Matthew 5,you know Jesus talks about
blessed are those who, basically, are persecuted.
When people throw insults atyou on account of me, I think
it's, for yours is the kingdom,or you will inherit the kingdom,
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or you know one of those.
I'm sorry, I don't know it aswell, but it's unfortunate.
That is part of it.
But you know, in our weaknessesGod makes us strong, his power
is made perfect.
In our weaknesses we're able toendure through those.
Knowing that, you know what anhonor, what an honor to suffer
as Christ suffered.
You know to be aligned with Him, to be not be in opposition to
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Him, but to be united with Him,to have relationship with Him
again.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Thank you, lord, to be united with him, to have
relationship with him again.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Thank you, lord, I'll take it and I used to struggle
with that too.
Like social media, I havefriends on there that are
completely opposed to God andanything.
When you start to try and havethose conversations and they
respond in such an aggressiveway, like people that you
thought were your friends andyou're reaching out and all of
branch and love, but theyrespond and again, like that I
do think is definitely spiritual.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, you know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
So just maybe not feelings like you're missing out
, more as like what an honor andblessing to suffer for Christ,
you know, because we will berewarded in heaven.
So I hope that's encouraging.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, absolutely Okay .
So verse 15, you know, I willput like you were just talking
about M and T, between you andthe woman and between your
offspring and hers he will crushyour head and you will strike
his heel.
So I'm trying really hard toread in a way of actually trying
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to understand it.
You know, like in our veryfirst episode we talked about
things that you know we strugglewith, and that's something that
I struggle with, where I justread it and it doesn't stick and
I don't really go into thecontext of it.
So I'm like, okay, he willcrush your head and you will
strike his heel.
What in the actual Bible?
I'm like, what does this mean?
And you know, becauseeverything is relevant in some
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form.
And I'm like, well, you willstrike his heel.
What does that mean?
Yeah, so I just I wrote heroffspring, descendants equals
Jesus, the Messiah.
Equals crushed devil's head,slash plans, devil's strike of
his heel, which is, you know,ultimately Jesus is suffering on
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the cross for our sins.
So he's literally saying like,yeah, you're going to strike his
heel.
All in my plan, god can use anyof Satan's manipulations or
causing someone else to stumblefor his glory, which he's
already doing right here andit's just, it's all set up for
his ultimate triumph.
But again, it's one of thosethings where you might just read
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it and gloss over it or evenjust be like I'm sorry, I can
feel, okay, what does that mean?
But that's literally justsaying, like her offspring is
going to be the Messiah andwhile you may think that you've
won because you're going tocause him to suffer on the cross
, it's going to be my doing thatcauses that, and then he's
going to come back and crushyour head.
(38:10):
I didn't deliver that, like Iwas hoping to.
But it's just, you know, it isso significant where it's like
in this cursing, in this falloutfrom Adam and Eve, like you so
graciously put, they choosethemselves over God, and God
already like doesn't even miss abeat and he's like well, plan B
(38:33):
and this is what it's going tobe.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So, as you were reading that out, I'm thinking
to myself how come Satan didn'tknow any better?
Like I'm just kind of like hethought he won.
You know when Jesus goes to thecross and he dies and
everything since then you knowagain.
Like we talked about the seedwar I think we'll get more into
that as chapters continue.
But like everything that Satandoes, you know, it stems from
this.
This prophecy right here, thiswas like the first.
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What does it say?
In our book, the first prophecyof the coming of the Messiah is
known as the Protoevangelium inLatin, which basically
interprets the first preachingof the gospel.
Like God is prophesying righthere, right now Christ will come
through Eve's line and he willbe victorious.
He's going to suffer some things, but he's going to be
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victorious over you.
And I like how our bookdescribes the difference between
the striking of the heel versusthe crushing of the head.
Right, you know, the strikingof the heel is not a mortal
wound like our Bible describes,you know, but the crushing of
the head, like that, would thatwould kill a snake, right, right
.
So, yeah, I love that.
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God's like this ain't this isjust a bump in the road, not
even that, because I have a planand this is going to be the
plan and we will.
He's going to be victorious.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, yeah, I like how he says it kind of is like
an afterthought, almost like hewill crush your head and you
will strike his heel.
That will also happen.
But it's irrelevant, it'scoming first, because I think I
where was it?
Was it during a sermon?
I forgot where I heard this orread it or what it was, but it
was like things are not alwaysin chronological order, clearly,
because we know that jesuscrushing his head is after the
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fact of the devil striking hisheel, but it's of importance.
Right, like a lot of times,it's not chronological order,
but it's of order of importance.
Oh, I think it was in a case forchrist nice when we were
reading that with book club,because I think that he says
that when they're talking aboutother things where they're like
no, you don't understand, likeback when they wrote things, it
was kind of of order ofimportance.
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So I just thought that that waskind of funny.
It's like, oh yeah, like thatwill also happen, but it's all
part of it and the main thing isyou lose and the devil it's
just it's.
He has stamina.
I guess, like you said, hesomehow thinks that he has any
sort of a chance, where he justloses time and time again.
Right, and it's just kind ofironic.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I mean, he tried to tempt Jesus for crying out loud
first attempt was to prevent himfrom being born and then trying
to kill him, as a baby has toflee to egypt, okay.
Well, if I can't kill the man,I'm gonna have to like like.
You can't be a perfect,spotless lamb if you've
committed sin, so let me tempthim then yeah can't do that.
(41:25):
so then you know, going to thecross, okay, well, he's finally
dead, kind of thing.
But again it's like you know,he was the perfect, spotless
lamb, he was the perfect, he wasthe man that had no sin, that
bore sin for the world and diedas that sacrifice, as that
justification.
I love it when our pastorexplains that, because we are
justified.
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It's not just like, oh yeah,your sins are forgiven, the debt
is paid, you are in a court oflaw and you are not guilty
because of the blood of Jesus.
You know that was shed.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I love that it's coming up in chapter three of
the whole Bible.
I said boom a lot to thisepisode.
That's all right, yeah, okay so.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, what do you got next?
Where are you?
Where are you going after that?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
well, kind of wrapping it all up, I guess,
with like how the fall changedeverything um, you know, in 3,
16 through 19 god is basicallysaying he's cursing the ground,
not just you know the result ofadam's sin's cursing the ground,
not just you know the result ofAdam's sin is cursing the
ground.
So it's like, wow, that's.
It changes the relationshipbetween God and man, it changes
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the relationship between man andwomen, it changed the
relationship between man andnature.
Yeah, I mean, holy moly, mm.
Hmm, impactful, impactful.
The original design is thus notwiped out, altered for a time
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until Jesus returns.
But now man has to work hardand like I did, I highlighted
that these verses by the sweatof your brow you will eat your
food until you return to theground, since from it you were
taken.
For dust you are, and to dustyou will return.
This is like the death sentence.
Not just that, it's like,basically, you're going to spend
your days toiling for your ownfood and then you're going to
die.
Yep, so like you're going towork and then you're going to
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die, Like whoa.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
That is the world we live in.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
What In the Bible, lord, oh man, it's so much more
than that.
I mean, like, now that Jesushas come and you know we do have
a relationship with God, we canexperience heaven on earth
through relationship with him.
But I mean, you know this righthere, this curse, this death
sentence.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah, he wasn't messing around.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And then in 321, again, we kind of alluded to
this already.
Yeah, I like this one.
So God making garments of skinfor Adam and his wife and
clothes them.
Again, they tried covering uptheir sin with fig leaves and
that's a representation of us inour own mess, trying to get
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ourselves out of the mess.
Our pastor says that all thetime we can't get ourselves out
of our own mess, it makes itworse.
Yeah, we put ourselves there.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, we put ourselves in the mess.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, and then we make it worse by trying to get
ourselves out of the mess.
Right.
Only Jesus can, yep, which youknow obviously with here.
The imagery that we get is Godclothing them with actual, you
know, animal skin, which is, youknow, going to be more
protective of them in harshclimates, and again
foreshadowing Christ's sacrificeon the cross.
(44:44):
What I actually also thoughtabout here was like this is
actually the first time thatwe're seeing the death of a life
for someone else.
So, like the animal skin, Godhad to have taken that from an
animal.
So that animal had to die.
This innocent animal had to dieto cover up the sins of Adam
and Eve, that is good, I didn'tcatch that.
(45:08):
So the innocent animal used tocover and clothe Adam and Eve,
the guilty.
And again just referencing backto Jesus, the innocent man who
knew no sin.
Poor sin, poor the guilty.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, and even and even you know Old Testament you
had to sacrifice your best lambor your best livestock, and it's
kind of like setting up thepractice for that as well, which
, like you said, it all pointsback to Jesus and his sacrifice
for us.
But wow, that's really neatbecause it really starts what
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God requires in the OldTestament to atone for sin.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Absolutely.
And then 322.
So I mentioned this earlier.
It confirms, you know, says hemust not eat of the tree of life
.
So, like, prior to sin did notcommand Adam and Eve not to eat
of the tree of life.
After sin enters, the world canno longer eat.
At first I was like, oh okay,yeah, that's just interesting.
I kind of made note of it.
I'm like, why, like he doesn'twant him to live forever, which
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makes sense, I mean he is't wanthim to live forever, which
makes sense.
I mean he is in opposition toGod.
Now he's sinned.
But when I read it again, I sawJesus let's see, take also from
the tree of life and eat andlive forever.
Again, like that, taking takingwhat's not yours now, before it
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was, you had the tree of life.
You were in the garden of edenwith god and fellowship with him
, literally walking with him,right, I can't imagine that.
I'm trying to picture god likewalking in the garden.
Yeah, had fellowship with god.
Sin enters, you're no longerwith god, you are completely
separated.
And not only that now youcannot partake of the tree of
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life, you, like he said, eat ofthis tree and you will surely
die.
I mean, for all symbolicpurposes they had died.
Separation from god is death,yeah, and so not only that, but
we can live forever and we canpartake of life.
You know the tree of life, butJesus is that tree of life.
(47:37):
You know, he's the one that, asyou mentioned, with this first
picture of that sacrifice, he'sthe one that had to sacrifice.
I feel like I'm beating a deadhorse right now.
I'm sorry, you guys, but, likeif you haven't guessed, yeah,
jesus is the way.
I'm sorry you guys, but like,if you haven't guessed, yeah,
jesus is the way.
The truth and the life, anyways.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yes, no, I love that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, and then to just finish up the chapter like
again just that visual of thisangel now protecting the garden
and essentially, like the gardenrepresents presence with God.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
So now it's like you can't come in you, there's a
flaming sword.
You are presence with God,Right exactly.
So now it's like you can't comein there's a flaming sword.
You are separated from God, andit wasn't until Jesus came that
bridge has been made throughJesus for us to fellowship with
God again, to be with him, tohave relationship with him again
.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, what a God we serve.
Can you imagine?
God just created the and ofcourse, we don't know the exact
timeline of this entire thing,but God just created the whole
world, everything in hisperfection.
He created man in his image,woman in his image, and just the
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utmost perfection of it all.
And even though, again, not tosay that God was blindsided or
you know that this was asurprise to him, but for him to
you know, can you imagine thelevel of betrayal that that
would feel?
Like where you're?
Like, my goodness, you justwant to grab them and shake them
(49:08):
like you had it all.
It was right in front of you,god and God's sitting there like
I gave you everything, zeroreason for you to have done this
, like the amount I mean.
I just and of course that's mein my own human imperfection of
thinking this way of like.
Oh my gosh, the anger, thebetrayal.
You know God hates sin, all thethings, and what he must have
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felt in that, in this entiremoment of then cursing them and
having to separate them from himwhen he created them in his
image, to walk alongside him andhave a relationship with him.
And what a God that we serve tochoose to save us.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, yeah, he could have been like I'm done with
y'all, Right, it's like you guysokay, maybe free will wasn't a
great idea.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
No, I say that in all joking matter, but seriously
though, for God, and you know,we don't choose Him.
You know, and we can all sithere and say that we're
dedicated to God and we do ourbest every day, but we're always
going to fall short.
That's the whole purpose of allof this is that we will never
be good enough, no matter what,and God still choose to love us.
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He still chooses us.
He's still there always, nomatter what we put him through,
no matter what we do, he isthere patiently waiting for us
to come back.
So it's just just having thatmental image of the garden being
closed and the relationshipwith God being closed and how.
What a toll that must have liketaken on God to just know that
(50:37):
he had to do that and still tothis day.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Um, you know, I listened to this audiobook
called imagine the God of heavenand if anyone's seen after
death, it's one of thecommentators in in that movie.
But he wrote two books ImagineHeaven and then Imagine the God
of Heaven, and it's all based onwhat he calls NDEs, which is
near-death experiences.
And all of these people,regardless of where they live in
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the world, what culture they'refrom, what their religious
backgrounds are, they all havethe same exact well, not exact,
but the same experience in theirNDE, in their near-death
experience.
One of the things that I foundwas very interesting was when
God allows some of these peopleto feel His emotion.
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So they all describe thisbeautiful, bright, warm, loving
light.
It's not just oh, it's a bright, warm, loving light.
It's not just oh, it's a bright, warm light, it's loving, and
they feel completely acceptedand loved and just like they
don't want to leave it, likethey want to be with that.
That's God.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
And then some people also experience like they look,
they're able to see, they lookdown and they see the world and
all of a sudden they feel thisprofound sadness and they're
like, why am I feeling this,like mourning, this extreme sad
and grief, and they realize it'scoming from God and he's
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looking at all of his childrenwho are not saved, who don't
believe in him, despiteeverything that he's done,
despite the ways that he showsup every day in creation.
There's evidence for him increation the mountains, the
trees, the oceans, the birds,the flowers, like everything
sings holy, holy, holy, right,so that he is in mourning for
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those.
It's not His will that anyshould perish.
When I think about that, Istart praying Lord, help me to
see them the way that you seethem, because I'll be real
honest with you, it's reallyhard for me some days to love on
people.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
It's for all of us, yeah more often than not,
admittedly so.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
He didn't want to live without us.
That's why he sent Jesus.
You know, he did not want tolive without us, without his
children.
I mean that love.
I don't think that's somethingthat we'll ever understand until
we get to heaven and we arewith him.
Actually, you know we are withhim, but like with him, like his
that loving light, you know,right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
The perfect love.
Yes, Thank you Lord, Thank youLord, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Lord Loving us in our mess meeting us where we are.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I feel kind of like sad because I didn't, we didn't
really get to this and I didwant to bring this up and I
don't know if we have time, butyou know, in our study Bible it
has the effects of the fall,basically like the rejection of
the creator's plan.
And I found this really helpfulwhen I read this for the very
first time because it kind ofhelped me understand again some
of those inherited sinfultendencies and patterns to God,
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that separation.
It changed our relationship tonature.
We now have to work for foodand it's not only going to, it's
going to be hard work, it's notjust we're working for it.
Like God said, there's going tobe thorns and thistles, like
nobody wants to eat.
That that's going to be hardwork.
And then that that change inrelationship between man and
woman.
So, that tyranny to headship.
So the man again not being ableto hold like, be accountable to
his actions, but also abusingthat power of leadership Right.
(54:17):
And then, on the women's side,that rebellion to submission.
So, that's where that's like.
We want to be our own leader.
Whoa, like what God originallycreated intended for marriage,
those different roles betweenhusband and wife that were
supposed to fit together in thisbeautiful half, like you said,
(54:39):
like united one flesh, are nowin constant friction to one
another, causing problems.
And rest assured, there is hope, there's guidance on how to
serve in those roles that Godintended the way that God
intended.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I had that written down as well,
because that's another one whereyou just kind of read over it
and it kind of at first glanceit really doesn't make a whole
lot of sense in how it's worded.
You know, and it's.
I mean again, I kind of alwayshad a tendency to just read
things and gloss right over it.
But yeah, your desire will befor your husband and he will
(55:16):
rule over you.
When you read that, it's kindof it's either you just read
right over it because it justyou know you'll desire your
husband and he'll rule over you,ok, whatever.
But then when you really getinto it and where you see that
that's because it's like, well,women who want to be married are
(55:39):
going to desire to be married,but then you are going to be in
this sin tendency of wanting tonot let him have the leadership
role.
And then, as you said, thehusbands will have a sin
tendency, and not for everybodyand not all the time, but this
is just, it's one of thoseinherited sins, you know,
generational sins that have comedown the line of just husbands
will sometimes abuse that role.
And yeah, like you said, ourBible also says scripture where
(56:01):
it backs up the way that itshould be and the way that we
can still serve and fill thoseroles.
And you know kind of how tocounteract these effects of this
inherited sin.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yes, how to you know when you're living a life
righteously for God, when you'resubmitting to God as the
headship, right Jesus lordingover your life, and you're like,
okay, lord, not my will, butyour will, like acknowledging I
know I have a tendency to wantto do this or to rebel against
this and just submitting to himand asking him to come and
(56:37):
transform you and, like youmentioned, relying on the word.
You know, like going back tothose scriptures, with anything
that you're struggling with,it's all meant to be encouraging
and helpful and love.
So our pastor, I think,mentioned once if you're reading
the Word and you don't feelencouraged or hopeful, you need
(56:59):
to look at your heart.
Yeah, it's oppressive.
Then you need to look at yourheart, your submission to the
Lord, because I think that's agood indicator that maybe you're
not in alignment with God andHis will for your life.
(57:21):
Yeah, absolutely that's your ownself-serving nature coming out
kind of.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Right, yeah, if you're offended, you probably
should look at that a littlemore.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, so that's all Right.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, if you're offended, you probably should
look at that a little more.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's all I got.
Yeah, yeah Me too.
Eight pages flew right on by ohmy goodness, thank you Lord.
Yeah, I don't really have ascripture picked out.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
I know I was trying to look for one, but maybe we
can pick one and then just yeah,okay.
You know, say that we picked itnext time.
Yeah, we'll come back, we'llsurprise you.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, there you go you guys, you know, think of a
scripture too.
And again, thank you guys somuch for tuning in to our.
What is this?
Speaker 1 (58:04):
our fourth episode already yes, yes, our fourth
episode I get so confusedbecause we're going over chapter
three, but it's episode fourright yeah, yeah, anyways, thank
you guys.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Um, please continue to, you know, tune in, give us
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Um, if you feel inclined, leaveus a review or a comment, give
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Speaker 1 (58:26):
you struggled with, yeah, what you got out of it
yeah, otherwise we will catchyou next time.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
We're going to be going over chapter four, cain
and Abel.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Should be good, should be interesting.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, that's a big one too.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yes, all right, guys.
Well, until then, what's mysaying?
Keep praying and stay fed bythe word of God.
All right, amen.
See ya, bye, everyone.
What's up everybody and welcome to what in the Bible
?
We are two sisters readingthrough Genesis to Revelation
for the very first time andasking the question every new
believer is thinking what in theactual Bible?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I am one of your hosts, Jenna, and hello everyone
.
I am Audrey.
We want to welcome you to ourpodcast.
Thank you for tuning in.
In this episode we areattacking Genesis, chapter three
, which covers the fall.
Lots of fun stuff to talk about, Absolutely.
You know we're recording theday after Resurrection.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Sunday so.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I think that's fun too, especially as we get into
chapter three, because I meanthat's essentially like what
Jesus did, that resurrection.
It all started from the fallright, I mean that whole plan
started from the fall, so I'mreally excited to get into it
and start talking about thesignificance.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, me too.
It couldn't have been bettertiming.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Amen.
So before we do that, we'regoing to attempt to say our
scripture that we memorized yesyou are going first this week,
okay, I kind of knew that wascoming.
Okay, oh, man, all right.
So my scripture was Genesis 2,23 through 25.
The man said this is now boneof my bones and flesh of my
(01:41):
flesh.
She shall be called womanbecause she came out of man.
No, she was taken out of man.
This is why a man leaves hisfather and mother and is united
to his wife and the two becomeone flesh.
Adam and his wife were bothnaked and they did not feel
(02:03):
shame yeah, I think, yeah, thatwas a long one yeah, shoot, I
stumbled super impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
was it.
No, you did great on that sheshall be called woman, for she
was taken out of man yeah, Ithink you said that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, that's good.
Thank you, I'm sweating, I know, I know I almost wore a sweater
today, but I I'm like man, itis like 89 today.
It is no longer sweater weather, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, the mornings have been cool.
Yeah, it was 60 this morningwhen I woke up.
Yeah, and that is your weatherreport.
For what?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, it's hot already.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's April and it's hot.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, okay, mine was Genesis 2-3.
Okay, mine was Genesis 2-3.
A quick glance at the text.
A quick glance, okay.
Then God blessed the seventhday and made it holy, because on
it he rested from all the workof creating that he had done.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Woo oh leg drop.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, that was harder than I thought it would be.
I am not good at this.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You're over there quick, just in the zone, and I'm
like I did look at it a littlebit more than the previous verse
, so I think you know it wasn'tjust like.
Oh, let me just memorize thisin two minutes, because that's
not how.
No, I have to have repetitionfor sure.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, Well, you did what we were supposed to do and
actually you know, read it,digest it, look into it,
research it, figure out thecontext, what it really means.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah Well, I mean I wouldn't go that far.
Yeah well, I mean I want to gothat far.
Think about it a couple oftimes.
Yeah yeah, good job, that wasreally good.
Oh well, thanks, okay, so thefall, the fall.
We need to get like one ofthose boards we do.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh my gosh, our whole podcast would just be filled
with noises we'd be fightingover.
Yeah, do-do-do-ch, we needthose.
I love it.
Oh my gosh, Our whole podcastwould just be filled with noises
.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
We'd be fighting over the little keyboard.
Yes, you guys would probably beannoyed, yeah.
Like if you get through oneepisode without me like oh my
gosh, make it stop For sure.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
All right, okay.
So what were some of your bigones, sister?
Oh gosh, all 14 of your verses,pages.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Over there.
It's like, yeah, not like eightverses that I'll talk about.
I'm like, oh okay, I have likeeight pages, let's see what can
we dive into first.
I kind of went about it in likea systematic, just like from
the beginning to the end kind ofway.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, I did that too.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, cool, yeah, so okay, In the first few verses we
see Satan tempting Eve for thefirst time.
I highlighted three, I guessit's the first one, no, yes,
first one.
At the end when he says he saidto the woman did God really say
you must not eat from any treein the garden?
(05:10):
So right there, it's like thatone little statement that you
could gloss over and think okay,yeah, he asked her a question,
but what he does with it is he'sinserting that that toe right,
he's, he's getting the foot inthe door to cause eve to
question the goodness of god,yep, to question the command
(05:32):
that he had given exactly.
And that is essentially thatlittle seed that was planted you
know, we talk about seeds beingplanted a lot in in our faith
and that that little foot thathe got in the door with Eve in
her mind caused her to turnaround and then change her
perception of the goodness ofGod and also her perception of
(05:55):
the tree itself and the fruit ofthe tree.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, absolutely, I wrote that down as well as, just
right out the gate, satandistorts God's word in our
brains and, like you said, heplants that question of well, is
this really what he meant?
I mean, let's dissect that alittle bit, let's just bend that
boundary line just a tad, justto make sure that that's what he
(06:18):
really meant.
So, and I mean it just, youknow, as we know, he does that
today.
He's very good at distortingwhat God said and trying to kind
of counterfeit, like we'vealways talked about, the words
of God, the commands that he'sgiven us.
Yeah, like you said, he justinserts it, just enough to make
us, hmm, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And I think you know kind of going along that point,
just getting the foot in.
I think you know kind of goingalong that point when we talk
about counterfeit it's like itlooks very similar to the real
(07:13):
deal but it's false.
Yeah, it's a fraud, it's afraud.
So then he says in 3.4, youwill not certainly die, the
serpent said to the woman.
For God knows that when you eatfrom it, your eyes will be
opened and you will be like God,knowing good and evil it, your
eyes will be opened and you willbe like God, knowing good and
evil.
So he's using truth, Right, buthe's twisting it to cause Eve
again to question oh, you won'tdie, and while you know, as we
(07:36):
see, after she ate the fruit shedidn't drop dead, Right?
So some truth there, right,Right, Exactly.
And then also, when you look atwhich this is another verse I
want to get to eventually, buttowards the end of the chapter,
when God is speaking and he saysthe man has now become like one
of us, knowing good and evil,Confirmation that that statement
(07:59):
was true.
Like, yes, eating that fruitdid make them like God, Right,
Like yes, eating that fruit didmake them like God.
But when Satan, you know again,when he gives you that well,
you'll not certainly die.
Well, no, they don't physicallydie right away, but that does
open the door for physical deathand, more importantly,
spiritual death.
Right, Right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Exactly that separation from God.
Yeah, I wrote that all downalmost verbatim for what you
said.
Yeah, I think that's just sorelevant to the battles that we
face, even with Satan you know,in our own spiritual battle and
knowing that he likes to takeour truths and he likes to take
(08:41):
things that are true and justtwist and distort and use it to
ultimately separate us from God,which is what he did right here
, right in the very beginning.
And that's why I think it's soimportant, that's why we're
doing this, guys, so that weknow what God's truth is.
Back to, you know, youreferenced when Jesus was in the
desert being tempted by thedevil, and the devil would do
this exact thing where he tookGod's word and tried to distort
(09:06):
it and apply it, and Jesusalways came back with yes, but
the word also says this, andthat's why what you're saying is
not true.
So that's why it's so importantto be in God's word, so
important to understand thecontext, so that when the devil
comes at you with these falsetruths or these true distortions
, you can be like, yeah, but youknow what Kick rocks, because
(09:27):
this is what my God actuallysays.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, I love that.
Kick rocks Satan.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Kick rocks.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Satan Put that on a t-shirt.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Bumper sticker.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, my first merch Kick rocks Satan.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
When I start rambling , you never know what you're
gonna get.
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, that's awesome.
I love that so kind of.
In addition, like, since we'retalking about this little chunk
of scripture here, I alsothought it was interesting that
and I think our study bibleprobably even acknowledges it,
but this got brought up in aconversation with one of my
friends it's like thisprogression of being tempted to
(10:08):
actually committing sin, and Ifound it very interesting to
have this kind of visual pictureand how that can be applied to
our everyday lives and when wedo get tempted, what that looks
like and then these thingshappen that can lead to you
actually sinning.
So Eve, when she was asked bythe devil about the fruit, she
(10:32):
confirmed that God said thatthey may eat fruit from the
trees in the garden.
But then she goes on to addsomething.
She doesn't just stick to thefacts of what God did say, but
she then says and you must nottouch it or you will die.
So she added her own littlepiece in there.
So she's already starting tolike change her perception,
(10:54):
right, she's already starting tolike interpret things on her
own and not relying on God,right?
So then in verse six it says sofirst she saw the fruit, that it
was good for food.
So again changing, like addingher own interpretation to it,
like, oh well, that tree is goodfor food.
(11:17):
Right, but, as you mentioned,god had already provided for
them plentifully.
It's not like they werestarving in this destitute
desert with nothing.
It happened upon this tree andit was like I need food.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm salivating.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Exactly Like.
No, it was like you know, shesaw it and she's like oh well,
yeah, it's food, like it's goodfor food Right.
So you're like justifying yourthoughts already.
Yes, so, then she goes onno-transcript why I want to take
(12:13):
this piece of fruit right now.
I like it, it's attractive,it's pleasing to the eye, it
looks delicious and I'm going togain from it.
So all of these things, it'slike selfishness, right?
It's this self-servingmotivation for and justification
to take this thing that youwere commanded not to like.
You knew you weren't supposedto have, but you're like.
(12:34):
But X, Y, Z reasons like thisis.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It must be good because of all this.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So then it goes from that all of these like thoughts
about why it's okay to actuallytaking it, and I really like how
it says she took some and ateit.
Like that taking.
To me it just sounds so likewrong.
I don't know Like I don't knowhow else to say, but just the
fact that almost like stealingkind of like you took something
(13:01):
that was not intended for you.
So you know, from all of thatit's, you know, taking what's
not for us, what God doesn'thave for us, because of our
fleshly desires, because oftemptation, because we started
to serve ourselves and our ownfleshly desires, for us to turn
(13:21):
around and then take what wasnot ours, to have, what God had
told us not.
So, essentially going our ownway, you know, yeah, and as we
all know, then comes all theconsequences of that decision
yeah, oh, that's so good.
Yeah, and then she doesn't stopthere, right, she keeps going
Wait, there's more.
She then encourages her husbandto eat it, and I mean that for
(13:48):
me is so profound, and I thinkI'd talk about this later on,
also during the curse.
But the fact that she not onlydisobeyed, but then she turned
around and encouraged herhusband to disobey.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yep, yep, I wrote that down too and definitely
wanted to talk about that, justbecause I know that it's not on
us to save others.
You know, like it's not our jobto save others, it's solely God
and what he can do to saveothers.
We can't save people.
Such a blatant reminder of whoyou have around you and who is
(14:30):
in your life is so importantbecause we could cause others to
stumble.
Others could cause us tostumble.
It is so important that we areinfluencing those around us our
partners, our spouses, ourfriends in a positive way, that
we're not causing them tostumble in this way and vice
versa.
Where we're choosing ourpartners, our spouses, our
friends in a positive way, thatwe're not causing them to
stumble in this way, and viceversa.
Where we're choosing ourpartners, our spouses, our
friends, knowing that our groupmatters, who we surround
(14:54):
ourselves with matters.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Who you fellowship with.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, yeah, because it's like Adam didn't even blink
an eye.
He was just like cool, doesn'tsay a whole lot, just she gave
it to him and he ate it it'sjust like thanks, girl.
So it's like it's just soimportant who you have in your
circle absolutely amen to that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I also found it very interesting verse 3 7, when it
talks about then.
Their eyes were open and theyrealized they were naked and
they sewed fig leaves togetherand made coverings for
themselves.
So I found it very interestingthat, and the minute that sin
entered so this you know.
(15:39):
Again, I feel like these areverses where you can gloss over
it because it's like, okay, theyate a piece of fruit, then they
knew they were naked and theydecided to make clothes for
themselves.
But when you understand whatthat action did, that's we're
literally reading sin enteringinto the world, right there.
(15:59):
And what is the first thingthey feel?
Shame, Right, Yep.
Like wow, Not so again, thistree, this knowledge of good and
evil, but yet the first thingthat they experience after
eating it is evil, is shame,Right, yeah, no good came of
(16:22):
that.
No, no good whatsoever.
And then the fact that theysewed fig leaves together and
made coverings for themselves.
So that when I was reading thisI was like typical, Like we try
and hide our sin from God, fromothers around us, from those we
love, from the church, fromeach other.
(16:44):
We want to cover it up, but I'msorry, fig leaves in the middle
of winter ain't going to doanything for the rest of the
year, Just in the same way thatthe way that we try and cover up
our sin.
It doesn't do anything, it'sineffective.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, only God.
And, as we'll see, you know,once he discovers what they've
done, how you know his responseyeah, Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Oh, I love when we're on point together.
So, I have literally all thishiding from the Lord in shame,
same thing we do today when wesin.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, yes, thank you, lord.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yes, our sister brains are working.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yes, the Holy Spirit in us.
Thank you, Lord.
So I have another one at 3.8.
I feel like the character ofGod is starting to come out here
.
Yeah, you know.
Yes, Adam and Eve hide becausethey?
Know, they're like oh, wemessed up, we got messed up and
(17:45):
they're feeling shame and againthey're trying to cover it and
hide it to keep it out of thelight, right?
So God knows, they're hidinglike he knows everything, you
know.
He's just like strollingthrough the garden like, hmm,
where's Adam and Eve?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
He knows.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, he knows they're hiding, but he's like he
calls out anyway, he's not likeget out here, get out here
exactly.
Yeah, you are in trouble,exactly, you're in trouble.
Come answer to me right whatyou've done wrong.
What did you do?
No, it's I know what you didright.
Yes, so he's like where are you?
(18:17):
You know, he gives them theopportunity to come to him.
He doesn't command that theycome to him and face him and
face the consequences.
What a loving, awesome father.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, they just ruined everything that he did.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
He just literally like shut Well, he didn't, they
didn't flush the plan becauseGod they didn't ruin it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It was part of it, yeah, but still.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But they rejected it, right, right.
I think our Bible actually says, yeah, rejection of the
creator's plan.
Yeah, they listen to a createdthing over their creator, but in
his loving, merciful, awesomegoodness, he does not force
himself on them.
Yeah, he allows them to come tohim.
He's you know, and I can't.
(19:01):
I look back at times when I'veparented and been like, get over
here.
You know right, and it's just.
God is so good Again.
I just think that his charactercoming through in these verses
is so beautiful.
You know the way that hedisciplines them.
He's not like oh it's okay,we'll clean, I'll clean up your
(19:22):
mess, we'll figure it out.
Yeah, this was wrong, but Ilove you and I have a plan to
make it right.
And not only that, but againwhat he does later when he
covers them with actual animalskin.
Yeah, you know, he continues totake care of them, he continues
to provide for their needs.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Even after their fall .
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So this next chunk, I think, is going to be quite the
conversation.
So basically like 310 through,I mean pretty much until God
curses them all.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, god's like I've been kind.
Okay, now for now for thepunishment.
All yeah, god's like I've beenkind.
Okay, now for the punishment.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, so just to discuss it, because obviously
the act of Adam or Eve beingable to say I messed up, lord, I
messed up, it happened, Imessed up, help me through it.
Neither one is able to do that.
I wrote simply again for thefact of just wanting to talk
about this entire section.
I just wrote Adam throwing Eveunder the bus.
(20:26):
Adam's like I don't know, Lord,it was that woman you put with
me.
It just kind of made me giggle.
I mean, obviously this isextremely serious and we're not
making fun of it, but it justmade me laugh because I'm like
man.
And then, of course, you know,Eve turns around and just blames
the devil.
And honestly, I can sit hereand say very confidently that I
do that all the time.
I'm like, oh, it's the enemy.
(20:48):
Oh, the enemy made me react inthat way.
The enemy caused me to be madabout this or hold a grudge
against this person, or or saythis word because this went
wrong.
And I think that's easy to do.
And of course, yeah, a lot ofit is the enemy.
But to a certain extent we needto be able to say that is on me
.
I let that happen, I yelled outof anger, I hurt this person,
(21:13):
so, and clearly it's, I mean,from the very beginning.
That's very hard to do.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes, what I love most about this is there's what's
called, I think, inherited sinor something like that, where we
will have natural tendencies tosin in a certain way, and this
is essentially what we're seeinghere Adam not being able to
hold himself accountable to hisown actions, putting the blame
off.
I find it pretty profound thathe's like well, it's that woman,
(21:43):
you put in here Like he blamesGod.
Like the first person he blamesis God, and then yeah, and then
Eve is the one that made me takeand eat it.
But I really, like our Biblepoints out, god didn't.
He didn't give that command toEve, right?
I mean, yes, she was, you know,Underneath, her husband
Underneath, and required tofollow that command.
(22:05):
Right, you know it wasn't like,well, I only gave that command
to Adam and Eve, you're exempt.
No, like she had to follow it,just like Adam.
But God spoke it directly toAdam, which I think is why Adam
gets not harsher punishment.
But I feel like he's like, youknow, I think our Bible points
out, when he's talking to thewoman, he doesn't actually say
curse.
Right you know he doesn'treference that word curse, but
(22:27):
he does use it when he's talkingto the serpent and to Adam,
mm-hmm.
But then, like you said, forthen Eve to turn around and then
be like, well, it was Satan.
Right, you know, and I lovethat you bring that up in terms
of us putting blame on Satan,right, because it is so easy to
just be like, well, that was theenemy.
(22:48):
You know, maybe we're like,yeah, forgive me, lord, but it
was the enemy kind of thing,no-transcript, sinning in your
(23:26):
anger by allowing it to controlyou.
You know, maybe it's a fleshlydesire, whatever the case may be
, but, yeah, I think that'sreally dangerous for Christians.
You know, we do need to beaccountable to God, to each
other, when we mess up and, yeah, acknowledge and know when
we're being tempted, but not forthe point of being able to be
like, well, that was, you know,to put off blame onto Satan, but
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to be able to recognize it whenit does happen, so that we can
submit to God, we can resist thedevil and he will flee and we
can get through that temptationwith God's help, without falling
into sin.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
There's no way for us to growand change unless we, like you
said, take accountability andsay, yes, this devil might have
started it, but I finished itand I went along with it.
And you, just, you cannotchange unless you can sit here
and admit that you yourself madethat decision.
Absolutely Hard pill to swallowsometimes, absolutely,
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especially when it's somethingthat you're working on a lot and
you keep fumbling and you'relike man, why do I keep doing
that?
Why do I keep yelling in myanger?
Why do I keep doing this whenI'm upset?
Why does this keep happening?
And it's like man, the enemy isjust on me, the enemy is just
(24:44):
on me and that's like, and thatcan absolutely be the case, but
I think that's where you justtake from Adam and Eve and go to
God instead, don't take fromthem and don't do what they did
and rely on their ownunderstanding.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Go to God.
I think it's very interestingbecause what just popped into my
mind right now is some of thosetimes may not be the enemy.
It may actually be God offeringyou opportunities to grow and
to respond in the way thatyou've been praying him, you
know, in the way you've beenasking him to help you through.
Because God's not going to justsnap his fingers and boom.
(25:09):
You're the most calm, patientparent or, you know, have these
things that you're asking for hedoes in some circumstances.
I think I've heard of peoplewho had these addictions prior
to coming to the faith and thenthey say yes to Jesus and he
just takes that desire away andwe don't know why.
I think that was in one of oursermons recently.
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But I think in these areas ofgrowth like this, I think it's
not always the enemy tempting us.
I definitely think he uses thatas an opportunity to be like
pointing a finger and be likesee, like again instilling that
shame, see, you can't change,you're always going to be the
same.
You keep responding in the waythat you do.
Why even try?
You know all these negativethings like he can use that.
(25:53):
But I think a lot of times whenwe ask for something, god
answers, but he answers in a waythat's oh, you want to be more
patient?
Okay, here's an opportunity foryou to practice being patient.
Yeah, yeah, that's when growthhappens.
Absolutely the more of thoseopportunities we get.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, for sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So just to kind of piggyback onto what you had
already initiated with theselovely verses here, to kind of
piggyback onto what you hadalready initiated with these
lovely verses here Again, thefact that Adam, like you said,
like he doesn't respond in a waythat's like, yeah, lord, I
messed up, I'm here.
He doesn't say I'm hidingbecause I did what you told me
not to do.
He's literally like I'm hidingbecause I was naked and I didn't
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want you to see me, so I hid.
Like he's still trying to hidewhat he did, right, and not fess
up to it, right.
So just to kind of dive a littlebit deeper in this, the husband
setting an example for his wifebecause he blames God and Eve
first, she sees that and shebasically replicates the
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behavior.
She turns around and puts theblame on Satan.
So, husbands, as the headshipof your family, setting that
example for your family of thosegood choices and those bad
choices, holding yourselfaccountable, admitting when you
messed up, submitting to God,that to me was like very black
(27:23):
and white.
A husband setting that examplefor his wife In turn, the
scriptures prior, when Eveessentially was the door for him
to sin.
Wives, mothers, your choices,what you allow, what you, the
temptations that you do giveinto, can affect your whole
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family and can cause them tofollow suit and to sin.
Your husbands, your children, Imean, I'm that's like whoa, like
Lord, help me.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Absolutely.
I think that that kind ofrevolves back to even what we
were talking about before, whereit's like who is in your life,
who is in your family, and thenwhat you let in.
I mean, it can cause you tostumble if you're surrounding
yourself, if the people closestto you are people that are going
to drag you down, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, that's good, no pressure.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No pressure.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No pressure, yeah, to make the right decisions.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, thankfully we don't have to do it without God.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, exactly Because we can't, we cannot.
I mean, this is proof righthere on paper saying you cannot
do it by yourself, right?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I love that.
God curses the serpent first.
You know, right, he gives eachperson the opportunity to be
like yeah, I messed up, what didyou do?
What happened?
Explain it to me.
They decide to put the blame onothers.
He deals with Satan first.
I love that.
Yeah, so God curses the serpent.
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That word curses pronouncedR-R-R, r-r-r, r-r-r.
That word curse is pronouncedarar.
Sounds fitting, yeah, which I'mgoing to butcher this I'm sorry
to execrate, which means feelor express great loathing.
For to bitterly curse, we hearall the time like God hates sin.
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But when you break down thatcurse the curse, he's cursing
the serpent.
Great loathing, for I mean, godtruly does hate sin, um, and
satan yeah and then when he goeson in verse 15, putting that
enmity enmity which istranslated and pronounced a ball
(29:37):
, which is translated andpronounced Abah, which is
hostility or hatred Again thathatred word and it's used five
times in five different versesand I actually did go to some of
these to kind of look up andsee, wow, like it's only used.
I find those words that areonly used a few times in the
Bible like those are prettysignificant words.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I think I don't want to go through each one and
I'll say them here so that youguys can look them up if you
want to.
I think and I got these fromour study Bible, so your study
Bible might have similar ordifferent but numbers 35, 21
through 22, I thought wasactually pretty interesting
because it's talking about theconsequences of murder.
But it distinguishes betweenmurder of like an intentional
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act of murder, like you straightup went out and like killed
this person, like you knew whatyou were doing and you did it on
purpose.
That deserves death.
Basically, when you look upnumbers, and then the other
situation is it was an accident,basically Like you did not have
hatred in your heart, you didnot have that intent to take
life, and in that case I thinkthe consequence was like
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banishment or something untilsome high priest dies or
something like that.
I'm sorry you guys, like I said, I'm paraphrasing, but, like
you know, there was asignificance there when hatred
is present, when it's notpresent, kind of thing.
Yeah, romans 8, 7 was anothergood one.
Romans 8, 7, the mind governedby the flesh is hostile.
So that same word to God.
It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so?
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So we're getting this pictureof you know, that enmity, that
opposition to God, not justseparation from God, but that
complete opposition to and hereit's pointing out, you know,
mind governed by the flesh.
So, like any of our fleshlydesires, anytime we give into
that temptation, we commit sin.
We are in direct opposition toGod and that he hates.
(31:25):
He hates sin, you know, I thinkwe talked about when he
basically smites what's theirnames and acts, and like they
literally just dropped deadbecause they lied about the
money, and it's like whoa Lord,like Jesus just died for
everyone's sins, likeforgiveness, all that stuff, and
like here you are smiting twopeople, like literally like a
book after the gospels, you know.
(31:47):
But I think you know, as ourpastor explained to us, this is
an example of how God feelsabout sin and he will not
tolerate it.
He's not going to tolerate sin.
Yeah, so James 4.4, that's theone I really want to get to,
because I thought that was likepretty cool.
All right, ready, yes, let'shear it.
You adulterous people.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right out the gate.
Right out the gate.
Dishonor on you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Dishonor on you, dishonor on your calf.
Yes, you, adulterous people,don't you know that friendship
with the world means enmityagainst god.
Therefore, anyone who choosesto be a friend of the world
becomes an enemy of god.
And I just felt so stronglylike that is still present today
(32:32):
.
Yeah, you know.
You, adulterous people like you, are cheating on god with the
world.
You're're allowing these,whatever it may be, it may be
your job, it may be materialthings riches, fame, your own
glorification, all of thosethings.
When you allow them to come inand take over priority in your
(32:54):
life, you are essentiallycheating on God.
You know, committing adulteryon your faith with God.
When you choose the flesh,anytime you choose any of that,
you are putting yourself inenmity.
And again, that word hatred,hostility.
Like you are opposing God andeverything that he has done, his
(33:17):
love for you, essentiallyrejecting him for created things
Right, Right.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, this world is all about self-satisfaction and
self-reliance, and I mean wejust we've talked about that
before of just how this worldjust is so self-centered.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So I mean self-centered?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yep, absolutely.
So I mean it makes sense.
Yeah, you can't be in the worldand with God you have to be.
Apart from that, that'ssomething that I'm trying really
hard to teach my oldest rightnow.
I mean you can even teach it toyour younger kids, but
obviously, when they startgetting older, it's something
that you know.
Sometimes he's like mom, youknow, like sometimes I feel like
I'm kind of like I don't fit in.
Or you know, if a bunch of kidsthink that I'm weird or
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whatever the case, and I'm like,if you are not like the rest,
then you are doing somethingright Like we.
God, his word, says that wewere created apart for his glory
, for his purpose, not for ourown.
So if you don't feel like youfit in with the other 30 kids in
your class, glory to God.
I don't want that, god doesn'twant that.
(34:24):
I know that that's hard, I knowthat there's struggles, and
that's another whole other topicthat we could have.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Second Corinthians 12,.
Paul talks about the thorn inhis side, and we don't know what
the thorn is.
It could be spiritualoppression, could be a physical
ailment, but he talks about, youknow, his weaknesses.
God's powers made perfect inour weaknesses, and so he
rejoices in his weaknesses.
And he goes on to describe notjust physical ailments or
(34:53):
spiritual attack, but alsopersecution from others.
And as Christians, we knowthat's part of it.
Yeah, you know.
And the Beatitudes Matthew 5,you know Jesus talks about
blessed are those who, basically, are persecuted.
When people throw insults atyou on account of me, I think
it's, for yours is the kingdom,or you will inherit the kingdom,
(35:13):
or you know one of those.
I'm sorry, I don't know it aswell, but it's unfortunate.
That is part of it.
But you know, in our weaknessesGod makes us strong, his power
is made perfect.
In our weaknesses we're able toendure through those.
Knowing that, you know what anhonor, what an honor to suffer
as Christ suffered.
You know to be aligned with Him, to be not be in opposition to
(35:34):
Him, but to be united with Him,to have relationship with Him
again.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Thank you, lord, to be united with him, to have
relationship with him again.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Thank you, lord, I'll take it and I used to struggle
with that too.
Like social media, I havefriends on there that are
completely opposed to God andanything.
When you start to try and havethose conversations and they
respond in such an aggressiveway, like people that you
thought were your friends andyou're reaching out and all of
branch and love, but theyrespond and again, like that I
do think is definitely spiritual.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, you know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
So just maybe not feelings like you're missing out
, more as like what an honor andblessing to suffer for Christ,
you know, because we will berewarded in heaven.
So I hope that's encouraging.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, absolutely Okay .
So verse 15, you know, I willput like you were just talking
about M and T, between you andthe woman and between your
offspring and hers he will crushyour head and you will strike
his heel.
So I'm trying really hard toread in a way of actually trying
(36:40):
to understand it.
You know, like in our veryfirst episode we talked about
things that you know we strugglewith, and that's something that
I struggle with, where I justread it and it doesn't stick and
I don't really go into thecontext of it.
So I'm like, okay, he willcrush your head and you will
strike his heel.
What in the actual Bible?
I'm like, what does this mean?
And you know, becauseeverything is relevant in some
(37:02):
form.
And I'm like, well, you willstrike his heel.
What does that mean?
Yeah, so I just I wrote heroffspring, descendants equals
Jesus, the Messiah.
Equals crushed devil's head,slash plans, devil's strike of
his heel, which is, you know,ultimately Jesus is suffering on
(37:23):
the cross for our sins.
So he's literally saying like,yeah, you're going to strike his
heel.
All in my plan, god can use anyof Satan's manipulations or
causing someone else to stumblefor his glory, which he's
already doing right here andit's just, it's all set up for
his ultimate triumph.
But again, it's one of thosethings where you might just read
(37:44):
it and gloss over it or evenjust be like I'm sorry, I can
feel, okay, what does that mean?
But that's literally justsaying, like her offspring is
going to be the Messiah andwhile you may think that you've
won because you're going tocause him to suffer on the cross
, it's going to be my doing thatcauses that, and then he's
going to come back and crushyour head.
(38:10):
I didn't deliver that, like Iwas hoping to.
But it's just, you know, it isso significant where it's like
in this cursing, in this falloutfrom Adam and Eve, like you so
graciously put, they choosethemselves over God, and God
already like doesn't even miss abeat and he's like well, plan B
(38:33):
and this is what it's going tobe.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So, as you were reading that out, I'm thinking
to myself how come Satan didn'tknow any better?
Like I'm just kind of like hethought he won.
You know when Jesus goes to thecross and he dies and
everything since then you knowagain.
Like we talked about the seedwar I think we'll get more into
that as chapters continue.
But like everything that Satandoes, you know, it stems from
this.
This prophecy right here, thiswas like the first.
(39:01):
What does it say?
In our book, the first prophecyof the coming of the Messiah is
known as the Protoevangelium inLatin, which basically
interprets the first preachingof the gospel.
Like God is prophesying righthere, right now Christ will come
through Eve's line and he willbe victorious.
He's going to suffer some things, but he's going to be
(39:21):
victorious over you.
And I like how our bookdescribes the difference between
the striking of the heel versusthe crushing of the head.
Right, you know, the strikingof the heel is not a mortal
wound like our Bible describes,you know, but the crushing of
the head, like that, would thatwould kill a snake, right, right
.
So, yeah, I love that.
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God's like this ain't this isjust a bump in the road, not
even that, because I have a planand this is going to be the
plan and we will.
He's going to be victorious.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, yeah, I like how he says it kind of is like
an afterthought, almost like hewill crush your head and you
will strike his heel.
That will also happen.
But it's irrelevant, it'scoming first, because I think I
where was it?
Was it during a sermon?
I forgot where I heard this orread it or what it was, but it
was like things are not alwaysin chronological order, clearly,
because we know that jesuscrushing his head is after the
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fact of the devil striking hisheel, but it's of importance.
Right, like a lot of times,it's not chronological order,
but it's of order of importance.
Oh, I think it was in a case forchrist nice when we were
reading that with book club,because I think that he says
that when they're talking aboutother things where they're like
no, you don't understand, likeback when they wrote things, it
was kind of of order ofimportance.
(40:40):
So I just thought that that waskind of funny.
It's like, oh yeah, like thatwill also happen, but it's all
part of it and the main thing isyou lose and the devil it's
just it's.
He has stamina.
I guess, like you said, hesomehow thinks that he has any
sort of a chance, where he justloses time and time again.
Right, and it's just kind ofironic.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I mean, he tried to tempt Jesus for crying out loud
first attempt was to prevent himfrom being born and then trying
to kill him, as a baby has toflee to egypt, okay.
Well, if I can't kill the man,I'm gonna have to like like.
You can't be a perfect,spotless lamb if you've
committed sin, so let me tempthim then yeah can't do that.
(41:25):
so then you know, going to thecross, okay, well, he's finally
dead, kind of thing.
But again it's like you know,he was the perfect, spotless
lamb, he was the perfect, he wasthe man that had no sin, that
bore sin for the world and diedas that sacrifice, as that
justification.
I love it when our pastorexplains that, because we are
justified.
(41:46):
It's not just like, oh yeah,your sins are forgiven, the debt
is paid, you are in a court oflaw and you are not guilty
because of the blood of Jesus.
You know that was shed.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I love that it's coming up in chapter three of
the whole Bible.
I said boom a lot to thisepisode.
That's all right, yeah, okay so.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, what do you got next?
Where are you?
Where are you going after that?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
well, kind of wrapping it all up, I guess,
with like how the fall changedeverything um, you know, in 3,
16 through 19 god is basicallysaying he's cursing the ground,
not just you know the result ofadam's sin's cursing the ground,
not just you know the result ofAdam's sin is cursing the
ground.
So it's like, wow, that's.
It changes the relationshipbetween God and man, it changes
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the relationship between man andwomen, it changed the
relationship between man andnature.
Yeah, I mean, holy moly, mm.
Hmm, impactful, impactful.
The original design is thus notwiped out, altered for a time
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until Jesus returns.
But now man has to work hardand like I did, I highlighted
that these verses by the sweatof your brow you will eat your
food until you return to theground, since from it you were
taken.
For dust you are, and to dustyou will return.
This is like the death sentence.
Not just that, it's like,basically, you're going to spend
your days toiling for your ownfood and then you're going to
die.
Yep, so like you're going towork and then you're going to
(43:24):
die, Like whoa.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
That is the world we live in.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
What In the Bible, lord, oh man, it's so much more
than that.
I mean, like, now that Jesushas come and you know we do have
a relationship with God, we canexperience heaven on earth
through relationship with him.
But I mean, you know this righthere, this curse, this death
sentence.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah, he wasn't messing around.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And then in 321, again, we kind of alluded to
this already.
Yeah, I like this one.
So God making garments of skinfor Adam and his wife and
clothes them.
Again, they tried covering uptheir sin with fig leaves and
that's a representation of us inour own mess, trying to get
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ourselves out of the mess.
Our pastor says that all thetime we can't get ourselves out
of our own mess, it makes itworse.
Yeah, we put ourselves there.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, we put ourselves in the mess.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, and then we make it worse by trying to get
ourselves out of the mess.
Right.
Only Jesus can, yep, which youknow obviously with here.
The imagery that we get is Godclothing them with actual, you
know, animal skin, which is, youknow, going to be more
protective of them in harshclimates, and again
foreshadowing Christ's sacrificeon the cross.
(44:44):
What I actually also thoughtabout here was like this is
actually the first time thatwe're seeing the death of a life
for someone else.
So, like the animal skin, Godhad to have taken that from an
animal.
So that animal had to die.
This innocent animal had to dieto cover up the sins of Adam
and Eve, that is good, I didn'tcatch that.
(45:08):
So the innocent animal used tocover and clothe Adam and Eve,
the guilty.
And again just referencing backto Jesus, the innocent man who
knew no sin.
Poor sin, poor the guilty.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, and even and even you know Old Testament you
had to sacrifice your best lambor your best livestock, and it's
kind of like setting up thepractice for that as well, which
, like you said, it all pointsback to Jesus and his sacrifice
for us.
But wow, that's really neatbecause it really starts what
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God requires in the OldTestament to atone for sin.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Absolutely.
And then 322.
So I mentioned this earlier.
It confirms, you know, says hemust not eat of the tree of life
.
So, like, prior to sin did notcommand Adam and Eve not to eat
of the tree of life.
After sin enters, the world canno longer eat.
At first I was like, oh okay,yeah, that's just interesting.
I kind of made note of it.
I'm like, why, like he doesn'twant him to live forever, which
(46:30):
makes sense, I mean he is't wanthim to live forever, which
makes sense.
I mean he is in opposition toGod.
Now he's sinned.
But when I read it again, I sawJesus let's see, take also from
the tree of life and eat andlive forever.
Again, like that, taking takingwhat's not yours now, before it
(46:55):
was, you had the tree of life.
You were in the garden of edenwith god and fellowship with him
, literally walking with him,right, I can't imagine that.
I'm trying to picture god likewalking in the garden.
Yeah, had fellowship with god.
Sin enters, you're no longerwith god, you are completely
separated.
And not only that now youcannot partake of the tree of
(47:16):
life, you, like he said, eat ofthis tree and you will surely
die.
I mean, for all symbolicpurposes they had died.
Separation from god is death,yeah, and so not only that, but
we can live forever and we canpartake of life.
You know the tree of life, butJesus is that tree of life.
(47:37):
You know, he's the one that, asyou mentioned, with this first
picture of that sacrifice, he'sthe one that had to sacrifice.
I feel like I'm beating a deadhorse right now.
I'm sorry, you guys, but, likeif you haven't guessed, yeah,
jesus is the way.
I'm sorry you guys, but like,if you haven't guessed, yeah,
jesus is the way.
The truth and the life, anyways.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yes, no, I love that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, and then to just finish up the chapter like
again just that visual of thisangel now protecting the garden
and essentially, like the gardenrepresents presence with God.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
So now it's like you can't come in you, there's a
flaming sword.
You are presence with God,Right exactly.
So now it's like you can't comein there's a flaming sword.
You are separated from God, andit wasn't until Jesus came that
bridge has been made throughJesus for us to fellowship with
God again, to be with him, tohave relationship with him again
.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, what a God we serve.
Can you imagine?
God just created the and ofcourse, we don't know the exact
timeline of this entire thing,but God just created the whole
world, everything in hisperfection.
He created man in his image,woman in his image, and just the
(48:48):
utmost perfection of it all.
And even though, again, not tosay that God was blindsided or
you know that this was asurprise to him, but for him to
you know, can you imagine thelevel of betrayal that that
would feel?
Like where you're?
Like, my goodness, you justwant to grab them and shake them
(49:08):
like you had it all.
It was right in front of you,god and God's sitting there like
I gave you everything, zeroreason for you to have done this
, like the amount I mean.
I just and of course that's mein my own human imperfection of
thinking this way of like.
Oh my gosh, the anger, thebetrayal.
You know God hates sin, all thethings, and what he must have
(49:28):
felt in that, in this entiremoment of then cursing them and
having to separate them from himwhen he created them in his
image, to walk alongside him andhave a relationship with him.
And what a God that we serve tochoose to save us.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, yeah, he could have been like I'm done with
y'all, Right, it's like you guysokay, maybe free will wasn't a
great idea.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
No, I say that in all joking matter, but seriously
though, for God, and you know,we don't choose Him.
You know, and we can all sithere and say that we're
dedicated to God and we do ourbest every day, but we're always
going to fall short.
That's the whole purpose of allof this is that we will never
be good enough, no matter what,and God still choose to love us.
(50:15):
He still chooses us.
He's still there always, nomatter what we put him through,
no matter what we do, he isthere patiently waiting for us
to come back.
So it's just just having thatmental image of the garden being
closed and the relationshipwith God being closed and how.
What a toll that must have liketaken on God to just know that
(50:37):
he had to do that and still tothis day.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Um, you know, I listened to this audiobook
called imagine the God of heavenand if anyone's seen after
death, it's one of thecommentators in in that movie.
But he wrote two books ImagineHeaven and then Imagine the God
of Heaven, and it's all based onwhat he calls NDEs, which is
near-death experiences.
And all of these people,regardless of where they live in
(51:04):
the world, what culture they'refrom, what their religious
backgrounds are, they all havethe same exact well, not exact,
but the same experience in theirNDE, in their near-death
experience.
One of the things that I foundwas very interesting was when
God allows some of these peopleto feel His emotion.
(51:28):
So they all describe thisbeautiful, bright, warm, loving
light.
It's not just oh, it's a bright, warm, loving light.
It's not just oh, it's a bright, warm light, it's loving, and
they feel completely acceptedand loved and just like they
don't want to leave it, likethey want to be with that.
That's God.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
And then some people also experience like they look,
they're able to see, they lookdown and they see the world and
all of a sudden they feel thisprofound sadness and they're
like, why am I feeling this,like mourning, this extreme sad
and grief, and they realize it'scoming from God and he's
(52:06):
looking at all of his childrenwho are not saved, who don't
believe in him, despiteeverything that he's done,
despite the ways that he showsup every day in creation.
There's evidence for him increation the mountains, the
trees, the oceans, the birds,the flowers, like everything
sings holy, holy, holy, right,so that he is in mourning for
(52:31):
those.
It's not His will that anyshould perish.
When I think about that, Istart praying Lord, help me to
see them the way that you seethem, because I'll be real
honest with you, it's reallyhard for me some days to love on
people.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
It's for all of us, yeah more often than not,
admittedly so.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
He didn't want to live without us.
That's why he sent Jesus.
You know, he did not want tolive without us, without his
children.
I mean that love.
I don't think that's somethingthat we'll ever understand until
we get to heaven and we arewith him.
Actually, you know we are withhim, but like with him, like his
that loving light, you know,right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
The perfect love.
Yes, Thank you Lord, Thank youLord, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Lord Loving us in our mess meeting us where we are.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I feel kind of like sad because I didn't, we didn't
really get to this and I didwant to bring this up and I
don't know if we have time, butyou know, in our study Bible it
has the effects of the fall,basically like the rejection of
the creator's plan.
And I found this really helpfulwhen I read this for the very
first time because it kind ofhelped me understand again some
of those inherited sinfultendencies and patterns to God,
(53:52):
that separation.
It changed our relationship tonature.
We now have to work for foodand it's not only going to, it's
going to be hard work, it's notjust we're working for it.
Like God said, there's going tobe thorns and thistles, like
nobody wants to eat.
That that's going to be hardwork.
And then that that change inrelationship between man and
woman.
So, that tyranny to headship.
So the man again not being ableto hold like, be accountable to
his actions, but also abusingthat power of leadership Right.
(54:17):
And then, on the women's side,that rebellion to submission.
So, that's where that's like.
We want to be our own leader.
Whoa, like what God originallycreated intended for marriage,
those different roles betweenhusband and wife that were
supposed to fit together in thisbeautiful half, like you said,
(54:39):
like united one flesh, are nowin constant friction to one
another, causing problems.
And rest assured, there is hope, there's guidance on how to
serve in those roles that Godintended the way that God
intended.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I had that written down as well,
because that's another one whereyou just kind of read over it
and it kind of at first glanceit really doesn't make a whole
lot of sense in how it's worded.
You know, and it's.
I mean again, I kind of alwayshad a tendency to just read
things and gloss right over it.
But yeah, your desire will befor your husband and he will
(55:16):
rule over you.
When you read that, it's kindof it's either you just read
right over it because it justyou know you'll desire your
husband and he'll rule over you,ok, whatever.
But then when you really getinto it and where you see that
that's because it's like, well,women who want to be married are
(55:39):
going to desire to be married,but then you are going to be in
this sin tendency of wanting tonot let him have the leadership
role.
And then, as you said, thehusbands will have a sin
tendency, and not for everybodyand not all the time, but this
is just, it's one of thoseinherited sins, you know,
generational sins that have comedown the line of just husbands
will sometimes abuse that role.
And yeah, like you said, ourBible also says scripture where
(56:01):
it backs up the way that itshould be and the way that we
can still serve and fill thoseroles.
And you know kind of how tocounteract these effects of this
inherited sin.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yes, how to you know when you're living a life
righteously for God, when you'resubmitting to God as the
headship, right Jesus lordingover your life, and you're like,
okay, lord, not my will, butyour will, like acknowledging I
know I have a tendency to wantto do this or to rebel against
this and just submitting to himand asking him to come and
(56:37):
transform you and, like youmentioned, relying on the word.
You know, like going back tothose scriptures, with anything
that you're struggling with,it's all meant to be encouraging
and helpful and love.
So our pastor, I think,mentioned once if you're reading
the Word and you don't feelencouraged or hopeful, you need
(56:59):
to look at your heart.
Yeah, it's oppressive.
Then you need to look at yourheart, your submission to the
Lord, because I think that's agood indicator that maybe you're
not in alignment with God andHis will for your life.
(57:21):
Yeah, absolutely that's your ownself-serving nature coming out
kind of.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Right, yeah, if you're offended, you probably
should look at that a littlemore.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, so that's all Right.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, if you're offended, you probably should
look at that a little more.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's all I got.
Yeah, yeah Me too.
Eight pages flew right on by ohmy goodness, thank you Lord.
Yeah, I don't really have ascripture picked out.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
I know I was trying to look for one, but maybe we
can pick one and then just yeah,okay.
You know, say that we picked itnext time.
Yeah, we'll come back, we'llsurprise you.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, there you go you guys, you know, think of a
scripture too.
And again, thank you guys somuch for tuning in to our.
What is this?
Speaker 1 (58:04):
our fourth episode already yes, yes, our fourth
episode I get so confusedbecause we're going over chapter
three, but it's episode fourright yeah, yeah, anyways, thank
you guys.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Um, please continue to, you know, tune in, give us
your feedback.
Um, if you feel inclined, leaveus a review or a comment, give
us your thoughts, what?
Speaker 1 (58:26):
you struggled with, yeah, what you got out of it
yeah, otherwise we will catchyou next time.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
We're going to be going over chapter four, cain
and Abel.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Should be good, should be interesting.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, that's a big one too.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yes, all right, guys.
Well, until then, what's mysaying?
Keep praying and stay fed bythe word of God.
All right, amen.
See ya, bye, everyone.
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