Diaphragm Strength, Breath and Beyond: A Life of Adventure and Resilience with William Comer

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Hey, welcome back.
In today's conversation.
I get to share a person withyou, who I am just getting to
meet as well.
We began talking because we werejust talking about the breather
apparatus and that's somethingyou'll hear more about in this
conversation.
If you remember Dr.
Tom Michaud, on a previousepisode, he was talking about
how we can increase ourdiaphragm strength and what that

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can do in our bodies.
It's a really great way to helplow back pain, to help
resiliency, to help your vagaltone, to help your nervous
system regulate.
And it caught my attention whenDr.
Tom talked about it because.
Dr.
Tom is brilliant.
So I want to know what he knows.
As I looked more into thebreather apparatus and got my

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own.
It really caught my attentionbecause I could feel the
difference that it was making inmy own body.
So being of curious mind, Icalled the people at breather
and I got hooked up with.
And I ended up talking to theaccounts manager.
Who's named William Comber thatstarted a journey of getting to
know each other and having aperspective.

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That he shares that I am findinga welcome addition to my life.
So today's episode is with Mr.
William Komar and we'll get toknow him together.
We have a lot to say aboutdiaphragm strengths, about
breathing and about health ingeneral.
He's a very physically activeperson and mentally active
person as well.
So it's a perspective that Ithink you will find really

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valuable.
To get to know him a little bitmore.
I would explain him the way hewould explain himself, which is
a fifth generation, Florida.
Boy.
He describes growing up inFlorida as pre Disney, rural
landscape.
He grew up in the woods and theorange groves in the sandpits,
dealing with snakes and huntingalligators and doing

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skateboarding and motorcross.
He's done triathlons.
Duathlons road bikes, mountainbike races.
He does running.
He still does riding and racingmotocross.
And he went to the university ofcentral Florida.
He got his BA in business.
He was a teacher of teenagersfor many years in the public
school system.
He became a real estate broker,had a successful business there

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and then gave it up when he got.
A really great job offer.
To work with the breather andthe people that are innovating
that device and putting itforward P and medical has the
name.
He doesn't watch TV.
He does read books.
He basically grabs life withboth hands and breeds all the
life that he can into hisexperience.

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I think you'll enjoy ourconversation and I'm excited to
share it with you withoutfurther ado.
I give you Mr.
William calmer.

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Hey, I am so excited to be in conversation, finally!
We're gonna be in real time,real computer time at least,
with William Comer.
So we have had many discussionsvia email.
We've had some conversations onthe phone, and I'm just grateful
for each one.
I end up smiling, I end uplaughing, I end up learning
something, and I'm just reallygrateful to actually see your
face today, Will.

william--will--comer_2_03-1 (04:12):
I'm glad to see you too.
I'm glad to be here.

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If you, dear listener, want to see his face, just look
at the episode graphic, andwe'll see it for the first time
together.

william--will--comer_2_03-12- (04:20):
a face made for radio.

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Face made for radio, that's great.
So, The reason that I have Willon today is because not only the
conversations have been so goodevery time we have spoken, but
because he has some reallyinteresting and grounded things
to say.
Both about spending quality timein life, about what creates more

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vitality in life that he's seenin his own, and, and from my
perspective, that holds true toso many other lives.
people as well, but also somemore information about
specifically breathing,diaphragm strength, and how that
relates to many other areas ofour life.
And if you've listened to verymany podcasts of mine, you know
that I think breath ties to somany things, so it'll be a good

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one.
So Will, I know you work for TheBreather which we'll talk about
later, but can you tell me howyou came to Be working for the
breather and why, and why it hasturned into such a big part of
your life and is turning into abig part of mine as well.
Can you tell me your story?

william--will--come (05:26):
absolutely.
So, in 2019 the winter, becauseI'm a fifth generation Florida
boy.
I'm used to the heat and warmthall through the winter.
So I said, I'm going to go to myplace up in West North Carolina,
outside of Asheville.
I'm going to spend the winter,and I'm having this beautiful,
Oh, yeah.
Yeah,

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Most people go the opposite way, Will.

to go against the time.
You know what I mean?
So I'm up there.
I'm having this beautiful run onon a November morning and I'm
running on a park.
Funny.
I'm on this real technical partover in Bent Creek.
And then when I come on the mostsmooth part of the mountain I
pick it up and I'm running allof a sudden I'm flat on my face
on the ground.
My foot had caught a rootbecause all the leaves had
fallen and dislocated my leftshoulder broke my ring finger on

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my right hand, dislocated andbroke two ribs.
Had a golly, it was all cut upand everything'cause of the
rocks.
And I was about 45 minutes intoan hour and 45 minute run like a
typical bone head.
I went and finish the run andI'm, I'm bleeding and stuff like
that.
All gets even better.
So I, I, I run in into parkinglot and the, the cars are, and,

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and the guy's talking.
This woman, I run between'emgoing back to my truck and the
guy goes.
You know, I say hi to everybody.
I'm Southern boy.
I say hi to y'all and the guygoes, Hey man, you need, you
need help.
And I'm like, I'm good.
I didn't, I didn't know whathe's talking about.
So I stopped where my truck islooked down and Both my ultra
run running shoes are just fullof blood down from my legs and
all the cuts and stuff.

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So we, we, he helped me, wefixed myself up there at the
truck and, but I'm in a lot ofpain at this point, you know, so
I'm driving.
So I get in the truck, I'mdriving back to my place and
that guy, my possum was in theroad dead, so I couldn't leave
him.
So I stopped and got out withone arm, put the possum over on
the side of the road.
Dignity, you know what I mean?
For the, for the little fella.
And I drive on, it gets, it getsridiculous here a second.

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But so I get

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oh, in a second.

william--will--comer_2_03 (07:18):
Yeah, and a nurse lives next door to
me, so I told her and she said,man, you need to go to the
hospital.
I said, well, I haven't eatenyet.
And she says, well, you need toget there.
But I said, I'll call theemergency room and let them know
you're, you're coming.
Sisters of mercy up there.
I said, okay, but I'm gonna getsomething to eat first.
So I go around the corner,there's an egg and I like a
cafe.
So I go there and of course, ithas to be the most crowded day

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of the year.
I have to wait an hour for atable.
Finally, I hobbled to a table.
I'm there and a manager comes upand goes, You alright man?
I said, Yeah, honey.
Cause he said, you're bleedingpretty bad on your leg and
everything.
And while you're holding yourarm, I said, Yeah, I just had a
little accident on the mountain.
I'm fixing to go to theemergency room.
So he got my breakfast out therereal quick.
I ate it and I paid.
And it's like, you're gonna lovethis.
I get in my truck.

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I drive there I get out and Iforgot my wallet back at my
place I declined back in mytruck use my other arm drive
back home get and come back inand so I get in there

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are a country boy.
I know a lot of country boys.
You come from good stock.

william--will--comer (08:18):
ridiculous I go in and So I walk in they
take me right in because I toldhim I want to pay cash on this I
don't want to do insurance.
I just want to pay cash And alsothey take me right back which
was nice and and plus the ladyshe called in advance when I was
coming So I get back there andMy one finger was, it was, I
kind of fixed it myself on thetrail, you know, and then the
lady said the nurse, she goes,my God, you It's crooked.

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That's what I said.
The should have three crookedfingers.
I said, well, I fix those othersmyself, too.
And she said, well, this one isfresh.
So she redid it and set itstraight.
It hurt, but she did it.
But they, you know, they treatedme and stuff.
I end up getting out of there.
And so there was this SLP I knewup there.
And, you know, I don't know ifyou ever had dislocated and

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cracked ribs.
I've had 11 of them over theyears.
First of all, you're guaranteedto sneeze that first night.
You may not sneeze in eightyears, but you're going to
sneeze that night no matterwhat.
It doesn't matter.
You're going to be on theceiling.
It hurts so bad.
And I don't take anything.
That's another thing I want topreface there.
I don't do pharmaceutical stuff.
I don't do it.
I just suffer through it.
And so I, I, this, this guy, hetells me about you know, because

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I'm having difficulty breathingand stuff, you know, obviously
for obvious reasons.
And so he told me about breatherfit.
They just come out and stuff.
And I'm like, yeah, whatever I'mlooking at.
And I said, you know, and it's,it's no pharmaceutical and stuff
like that.
And he said, no, really, youshould do it.
And he said, you know, you'rethe kind of guy, you have the
discipline that you'll actuallydo it.
So, so I, I Bought it from him,went and I started using it and

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This was in the emergency room or this was later

Now this is a couple days later
within SLP that I knew throughrunning up there and some
different stuff and all and hehad some, he'd had some regular
briefs.
He also, he bought a couple offits for his practice.
So I just bought it from him,started using it and that was in
November and then I was, I washome back in Florida in February

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of 2020 and I was out riding inthe Claremont area.
Claremont's the world's theworld's largest destination for
triathletes, especially in thewinter.
You know, from all moretriathlons there, there used to
be the National Training Centerand all.
It's real hilly aroundClaremont.
And I was climbing this hill outthere.
Grass on grassy Lake Road.
I got the top and everybody elseabout the, you know, leave

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everything on the ground there,you know, because everybody's
breathing hard and stuff likethat.
And I was actually controllingmy breath.
That's when it hit me.
The one thing I'm doingdifferent For my running and
cycling and swimming, everythingelse is this breathe or fit
thing.
And that's when I said, I guessit's working.
You know, the light went off.
And I really started payingattention to my breath then.
Then I, you know, from that dayon with my running, I started

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doing negative splits bycontrolling my breath.
You know, so doing my secondhalf of my run faster than my
first half.
And just, like this morning Iwas doing like fart lick
running, you know, where youpick up the pace for a while.
You drop it down and I would getmy heart rate from 1 66 down to
1 0 3 to 99, and just about aminute just by, you know, nasal
breathing as, as I was runningalong very slow there.

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Easy from the harder part.
So I really learned to controlmy breath and I, I attribute
that a lot to, to breather fit.
So now I'll jump ahead to twoyears ago, it's gonna even get,
it gets even more weird.
So my, my ex-wife is recruited.
By peeing, a guy hiring forpeeing medical.
And she's a librarian, so she'slike, Ah, it's not really sales

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and stuff like that's not reallyfor me.
And she goes, my ex husband usesthat thing, you know?
And they said, really?
And what's he do?
And they said, well, he owns hisown real estate company, he's
had other companies, you know,owned a retail bike shop, and
just different businesses allthrough his adult life.
But he uses it, so they asked,so they called and asked if I'd
come in for an interview.
And I thought, yeah, I'll comein, whatever, you know what I

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mean?
It'll be something fun to atleast do.
You know, I haven't sat for aninterview because usually I just
hire myself.
And if I'm bad, I fire myself.
I'm such a great guy.
I rehire myself the next day.
but so So I go in and we talkedand you know They they like the
fact that I use the breather fitalready and I I was well aware
of it and the differentProtocols and everything and
then they a few weeks later.

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They they offer me a job and andI turned it down Nothing against
the company and I think it's agreat company the adult thing
But I you know, I'd work formyself and I had little you know
When you work for yourself for30 or something years and you're
gonna go work for somebody elseI thought, you know what?
I'm good.
I'm good.
And and then they came back acouple months later, and made me

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another offer.
And I talked to lady that workedfor me for twenty something
years in a real estate broker.
So I just turned everything overto her, and I came to work at PN
Medical, and I love it.
I mean, I've got Mark Carboni'sthe owner Peggy Nichols, and
she's the one that invented thebreather right down the road
here in Orlando, Florida.
43 years ago, Peggy's the onethat invented it.
And then I've got, I work withShandy and Jen, they're on the

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sales side and stuff.
And Jen's my clinician that's alot of support, and there's
Betsy's support.
So it's a great company with alot, you know, it's just, I love
the people here.
It's actually been, I've reallyenjoyed it.
Kind of a side note, it's thefirst time in my adult life I've
had weekends off.
You know, it's kind of cool towork Monday through Friday.
I will take that back.

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There was it, but I had my otherbusiness, too.
But I taught school for a fewyears.
I taught middle school andjunior high school and many
years ago and also so it's nicehaving weekends off again.
That's kind of how I got here toPN Medical and I enjoy it.
Every day is a lot of fun,

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I love that.
You know what?
So when I was talking to you,you sent a couple generously, a
couple breathers over for myfamily to try because we have
such a diverse micropod ofexperimentation.
So so much.

william--will--comer_ (13:55):
different models to you,

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Yes, yes.
So I have had trouble with mydiaphragm and my breathing
control since I got really sick.
So climbing stairs, awful.
Trying to figure out how to singagain with any sort of support
under me, awful.
So when, when Dr.
Tom Michaud, you know, in aprevious episode, he's the one
that introduced me to thebreather.

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And I trust him so much that he,when he talked in that episode
about what increasing yourdiaphragm strength can do for
your low back, I was also havinglow back pain.
So I decided to, you know, checkout the breather online.
I reached out to you to seeabout, you know, different
options because I got one totry.
And I'm into trying to figureout what I can do that has the

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most benefit with the leastcost.
Like the breather is small,right?
I can shove it in my purse.
I have one in the sort ofconsole of my car.
And then I have one that's justlike on my bedside table.
And so when I'm waiting forcarpool or whatever, I do that.
I have noticed, wow, my breathcontrol for singing.
In fact, I was just practicinglast night.

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We're.
Preparing a Latin requiem, whichis high and ridiculously hard.
And I noticed my breathingcontrol is getting better, but
my daughters, two of them playwater polo.
And one of them does mountainbiking and the girl that does
mountain biking, she also is incivil air patrol and she does a

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lot of breathing commands.
She's high in leadership.
She does color guard.
She has to like be the personthat's calling out.
All of the commands for thewhole squadron to fit to here.
And she has basically had tolearn how to use her diaphragm.
But when I said, Hey, this thinghelps diaphragm control, helps
you have more power in it.
It helps you, whatever.

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She just like unwrapped it,shoved it right in her mouth,
turned it way up.
I was like, let's do this thing.
And my daughter that plays waterpolo, just the other day, she
was saying, you know what, I'vedecided to give this breather a
try.
And she said that she will bedoing her breathing stuff while
she's practicing tossing theball.
So it's not just breathing.
It's also, can I do breathingcontrol while I am throwing and

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catching a ball?
And she said, you know what Irealized, I wasn't really paying
attention.
I just kept turning up the thetension on it, the resistance
tension.
She said, I noticed that I'mdoing it at full tension, the
breather fit, while I amthrowing the ball back and
forth.
And she said, I mean, I didn'tstart like that.
It got better and better andbetter, but they just started

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water polo season.
And when she jumped in the waterthis time and is trying to tread
water and catch and throw andbreathe and be splashed in the
face.
She's like, man, this isdifferent.
She noticed She noticed quicklyand it doesn't take much.
It

Oh, absolutely.

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of a few breaths a few times a day, like while I'm
waiting for carpool or whileshe's just hanging out tossing
her ball anyway.
It's pretty amazing.

I actually, I use it on my endo
board sometimes too, you know,an endo board is a balance
board.

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Oh, perfect.

Yeah, because I mean, I'm getting old.
I mean, look, I'm, I'm 63 yearsold.
So I stay pretty active, but youknow, balance is a lot of thing
when people get older, they loseand stuff like that.
But, and also, I never get lowerback pain, anything like that,
you know, my strongdiaphragmatic muscles and stuff,
and I'm on a bike, you know, Irode over four hours on Saturday
on my, on my gravel bike, and Irode my mountain bike for two

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hours Sunday morning.
No, no lower back pain, any ofthat stuff, you know, you know,
not now I know I've ridden abike, you know, I mean, I got
into cycling in 1983.
So, you know, but, but, youknow, it's still low.
I mean, Just the fact that Iattribute part of that to my
diaphragmatic muscles beingstronger, you know, than, than
the average person.
Well, I say the average person,I don't know.

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So tell me about the breather.
For those who haven't seen it,haven't checked it out on any
kind of website, tell me what itlooks like, what it does what it
does on the inhale, exhale.

Right.
Okay, so we have the differentmodels.
The original breather, which iswhy I referenced Peggy earlier,
she invented it at FloridaHospital in 1983.
1980, I'm sorry, so 43, 44 yearsago.
And.
From there, we, so that, that's,that's our bread and butter.

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I mean, that's what I sell themajority of during the day to
clinicians across, you know, andit's just about everybody can
use it.
It doesn't have to be just, youknow, do the medical part.
And then from there.
We developed a breather recover,which has about 30 percent less
resistance than the breather,the original breather.
We do include in that box, thestandard mouthpiece So that once

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a person gets stronger, they canjust put the, and then they had
a regular breather at thatpoint.
Okay.
So that would

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would use the breather recover and what, what was it
even invented for?
Just diaphragm strength or

It was, it's been a kind of out of
a study with Mayo Clinic forlong COVID patients, but we've
also found severe Parkinson'ssevere COPD.
They use it as well.
I will say that there is abreathing reset protocol that
goes along with it, but becausethey found that people with long
COVID and so forth could not dothe RMT, the respiratory muscle

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training initially.
So there's a, about a two weekbreathing protocol where the,
the, the patient inhales.
Diaphragmatically, so, you know,not using their chest or
shoulder, you know, but as theyinhale, when they pause, they
don't exhale.
They let the diaphragmaticmuscles recoil naturally.
Then they do their next inhaleagain.

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And that's, and they do that fortwo weeks, twice a day.
Then they transfer into usingthe that they would use the
breather recover on the lowestsettings and that's where they
had the less resistance and thenthey would go up and then
eventually move into the, the,the regular mouthpiece which
would then convert it to aregular breather at that point.

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that.
So I have known patients withlong COVID.
We thought long COVID might bepart of what's going on with me.
And I know there's lots of otherpeople that struggle with
breath, like after stroke, afterall kinds of things like that.
So I love that there's a dialthat you can set in
independently the resistance onyour

Right, so yeah, so you have, right, you
have six, six numbers on theinspiratory, five on expiratory,
which is Interesting.
because I will even, now and ofcourse as you go up each dial it
gets, you know, you get moreresistance.
So if you're on six and five,you're on the highest resistance
on the breather, you know, oneand one would be the lowest.
But if, if you ever read thebook which I've read Breath, the

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one that Tom Nestero, and hetalks about the guy, Is it Stowe
or Stroh in there?
Stowe believed, even though hewasn't a clinician, he believed
in putting more pressure on theexpiratory.
So sometimes I'll turn myinspiratory down and turn my
expiratory up.
I'll play with it.
You know, I like, I've gotbreather fits.
Man, it's in my bathroom, insidethe bed.

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In the living room.
One day Huckleberry, my

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you have time.

william--will--comer_2_03- (20:45):
Yeah Huckleberry, my chocolate lab's
running round one, you know whatI mean?
But even though, even though formy regular protocols that I'm on
between, and we'll get to thatin my Breeder Fit if I have my
three protocols.
There are times that I'll, I'lljust mess with it and play with
it to kind of see the, theeffects and stuff and, and,
what, to see if I want to changethe protocol going through it.
So, So, that's something,

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Yeah, if you're not feeling very well, you can do
the breather recover to getbetter.
Then there's the breather, whichis, you know, the average.
And then what other groups ofpeople can use diaphragmatic
strengthening?
When would you

Well, I'll tell you one thing, even if
somebody were weaker withParkinson's, even with long
COVID, they can use the breatherblue, the original one.
And just do the reset protocolprior to, I actually, I think we
had a meeting Friday where we'regoing to include that protocol
in the next insert we haveinside the box with the
directions.
So people can do that too withthe regular breather.
So once you go to the regularbreather, then you have breather

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fit and breather voice.
Breather Fit, when you're on thehighest levels, is a 100 percent
more resistance than the BlueBreather, the original.
Which, so you're pushing someair to get through there, okay?
Now, the interesting thing is,if you're on Breather Blue, the
original breather, and you're on6 and 5, you're on 3 on Breather

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Fit.

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Okay.

how it correlates.
Okay.
So, you know, and then and thenyou have the protocols Right now
i'm doing a strength protocol onmy breather fit and and so I do
three sets of 10 in the morningAnd three sets of 10 in the
evening six days a week I dotake one day off like anything
from running cycling because youare exercising those muscles I
do take a day off and let themheal and get stronger Because

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that's when you get a lot that'swhen you know your strength
comes on when you're resting andthen and then we have a So if
I'm going to go do, let's saysix gap up in Georgia in
September, it's 105 miles oversix mountain passes on my bike
six or eight weeks out, I willchange to an endurance, which,
and instead of doing a threesets of 10, I'll do one set of

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40 or 50, but I'll turn it downa little bit.
I won't be on the highersettings for strength.
I may do four and four, four andthree, but I'll do, I'll do 40
or 50 of them.
And then, you know, with theinhale, once you'll hear the
valve catch, and then once thevalve catches, I do three
seconds up, I pause, threeseconds down, I pause, and I
start again.

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So, in the strength, I would do10 of those three times.
In the endurance, I'll do thesame thing, but 40 or 50 of them
at a time.
And then I'll do the same thingin the evening.
And I do it I know that the app,we do have the app, Breather
Coach.
You know, this is like 7 and 7p.
m.
I do it after I run or cycle inthe mornings, and I do it not

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before.
I do it when I do my sit ups andpush ups and stuff.
That's when I do it.
And then at night, I do it abouta half hour before I go to bed.
I kind of have a hard timeturning my mind off.

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Yeah.

And so that breathe, so I kind of
use it, that breathing, and kindof, okay, I'm also breathing,
I'm settling down.
Okay, I, I need that.
And so if I do it earlier, evenat night, I'll just do it again.
I'll just turn it to a lower,and just kind of just ease up
myself.
Because like I said, I just havea hard time turning everything
off, you know.

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so, I'm so glad you mentioned that.
So first of all, I love that youtalk about making sure you're
breathing down in yourdiaphragm.
So this whole conversation ismaking me really, really want to
grab my breather.
I can tell if, if we arelistening to this in the car, we
will be using the breather.
But but if you don't have that,right just making sure that when
you're breathing, you arebreathing down lower.

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So.
You should

Like a baby.

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ribs expand.
It should be like a literal bodysensation thing.
Keep your shoulders down.
Don't raise your collarbones.
Don't tense your neck.
Don't breathe by trying to flexyour jaw muscles.
It's so weird.
All the different ways that wetry to breathe.
Lots of that has to do withsafety.
Lots of that has to do with thestate of your nervous system.
But one thing that's interestingis your body can cue you into

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The state of your nervoussystem, the state of your
safety, how overwhelmed you areby how you're breathing, but you
can also cue it back.
I have learned by either pullingbreath into your diaphragm or
pulling it deeply into like yourpelvic floor when like just low,
low, low, almost like you'relike blowing up a balloon.
When I use the breather, I useit, you know, for strengthening,

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but I often.
use it to help calm myself down.
It's like an immediatebiofeedback, but remembering to
turn down the resistance.
That's a very good tip because Idon't usually remember that.
And sometimes that can make my,my, sense of overwhelm a little
more if it's then even harder toget air in.
But if I am focusing on mybreath and I turn the resistance
way down, it is a way to get mysort of monkey mind back to just

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listening to the sound of theair going through the valves to
just feel my ribs expanding,feel the muscles.
It's like, okay, I got this.
Like I've got this.
I am not like spinning out orcoming outside of myself.
I'm actually in, I'm in, in, inmyself.
It's a huge

Yeah.
And then, and then, then I can,I can read and by then I'm ready
to finally doze off and stufflike that, you know, it just
settles me down.
And then I will go into so, solike about a week out from an
event, like, like let's say sixgaps since I use that already,
about a week out I'll go down tomaintenance and I'll turn it
down to maybe two and two.
And I'll see, then I'll just dotwo sets of ten twice a day,

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kind of like tapering.
You know, so I cut my runningback, cut my cycling back,
everything.
And I cut that back as well.
And then after the event for afew days, I'll leave it on
maintenance and I'll take itback.
I'll go back into strength.
Let's say, and I'll go back on astrength protocol.
And then, then eventuallyanother event's coming up.
Oh yeah.
Endurance baby.
I'm there.
And, you know, I like thatstuff, you know, it's

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like, you'd have to like that stuff.
If you're cycling that longthrough the mountains, it's the

I didn't say I was the smartest
fellow.
Okay.
But, and then, and then BreatherVoice, so, so we were
encouraging vocalists know brassplayers, you know, woodwind
players to use and also publicspeakers to start using Breather
Fit as well, and they kind ofwanted their own device.
So, it's basically the same.

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dial pressures, but, but, but weuse, but there are different
protocols.
you know, for it.
And, you know, I, I don't, Imean, I sing maybe out there
with my heifers or something,but I don't sing, you know, you
know, I, you know, just likedancing.
I'm a wedding living roomdancer.
You don't know there's won't bea dance anywhere else or,

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I don't think there's nowhere not to dance.
Like, yes, dance in your livingroom.
Yes.

Oh, absolutely.
I mean, hey, we don't have TV.
You got to do something for funat night.

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Oh, we will talk about that.
I'm going

Okay.

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But so I don't get distracted.
I will say as I have thoughtabout the diaphragm and I've
thought about breath, I justthink about how much breath
spirals into the rest of ourlife.
So I mentioned my daughter,she's just a bad ass type of
girl.
She just is.
But it was interesting when wewent to her civil air patrol
meetings at first, I wasimpressed because there was

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quite a few girls there.
But I come from a lot offirearms training background.
I come from a lot of stuff likethat, where it's mostly males.
And I honestly appreciate itwhen the males are giving the,
like, like the.
the.
group commands to the groupbecause I can hear them, Right.
Sometimes it bugs me when womencome in and they're like, okay,

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I'm like, ah, like you've got tolearn how to have some grit in
your voice.

Well, ponation.

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for me, it's frustrating as a woman when I am
trying to like get the attentionof someone.
In fact, in my house, the phraseis I, my son now that he has man
voice and my husband who has manvoice, I'm like, okay.
Use man voice, get herattention, right?
But what I've learned with mydaughter is that was a thing
that I don't need to sayanymore.
It's more like use yourdiaphragm because no one can out

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volume my daughter now.
But what I learned was that'snot just a getting people's
attention thing.
That's more of a being able tohave a presence on the field.
If you're in a place that, youknow, where, where you need to
have some presence, her being.
able to dictate the commandsmeans that she is able to step
more into leadership and she's afantastic leader.

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So really the, the, what you cando to help your voice be heard.
I mean, it's your voice on ametaphysical level, on a
physical level, on a, how can I,you know, help people move with
me?
How can I lead better?
Such a

Well think confidence.
I mean, what do you do beforeYou have to go face people, you
have to go do something.
You take a deep breath,

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Yeah.

you know, confidence, man.
You just feel, okay, I, I've gotthis and stuff, and, you know,
and I, I'm, look, so, so realquick, there's one more thing
about the breeder too.
So, last summer I called asummer cold.
Summer Colds in Florida are theworst.
You know, it's 98 degrees, 100percent humidity, you, you know,
just, you just want to crawlaway and die somewhere.

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And, so then I,

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cold.
I live in the high mountaindesert.
It is dry here.
Dry,

oh yeah, but when you get a cold
here in the summer, it'smiserable, you know, and stuff
like that.
So what I do but then you, I,what I do is I turn the, the
dials down and instead of usingmy regular protocol, I go off of
it, I use it as a PEP device.

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Okay.

exploratory device, and it keeps my airways
clear because I don't want thecold going down into my chest,
so I use this PEP device, and Ilove it, man.
I just so, because I don't, Idon't, I don't, once I set it,
it gets in my chest, and Igotta, you know, then it's even
longer if I get to go back anddo all the fun stuff I like to
do, and at my age, I have feweryears of doing that, fun stuff.

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Oh, I'm so sorry.
I interrupted you.
I just fully did.
I didn't I apologize.
The, when you're using it asthat, so if you're typically
quite healthy, but then you'vegot something going on with your
immune system, what do yourecommend doing?

I turn it down to two.

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okay.

I turn it down to two, both of
them, expiratory andinspiratory.
And then I just like five timesa day, I'll do 10, 15 breaths.
You know, it's hard.
Hard as I can.
So I'm almost like, almost likethe huff cough.
You know, just so I get that,that out and I'm keeping my
airways clear and stuff.
And that's what, that's how Iuse it for that.
And then once it's over, then Igo back into a maintenance and

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up into my regular protocols atthat point, once my cold's over
or whatever.

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Okay.
And that hard expiration, theend though that you were just
doing, that's when your publicfloor comes online too.
So for anybody who's alsowanting to strengthen pelvic
floor.
Basically, if you're like over30, strengthen your pelvic floor
is just what I'm going to say isa cliff notes

I don't care what age you are.
I mean, I had a, I had a crackedcoccyx years ago.
So it's like, man, that's, Oh, Iwas, that was one of the worst
things.
I,

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I,

I walked like John Wayne for like
two months, man.
It's like,

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had a bruise coccyx.
Bruce Kotz in fifth grade and Istill remember it.
I still like flinch.

God, it was horrible.

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but shoot, what was I going to say?
Oh, so if you don't have adevice, this is how the
progression kind of went in myfamily is we just did, you know,
normal breathing, likebreathing, stress breathing, not
really actually breathing.
Then we read James Nestor's bookand start to breathe through our
noses.
Now I, I literally am the personat sport events when the kids

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are starting to, like, losetheir say lose their wind, but I
mean like, you know, whenthey're starting to flag, I'm
like, BREATHE THROUGH YOUR NOSE!That's like what I'm screaming
as they're riding on theirbikes.
YOUR NOSE! YOUR NOSE! Becauseyou really can see the people
who are breathing through theirmouth and huffing.
They just, I get why you do it.
Your nose gets all blocked.
It's really frickin hard tobreathe through your nose when

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you have that much resistance.
But the more you can do it, oh,the better you last.

Well, that's why I kind of,

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oh

kind of leave that earlier on my run.
When I bring my, like, liketoday when I did, it's kind of
that, that, that Bartlettinterval kind of training when I
was running.
And when I brought it downbefore I, you know, for the few
minutes before I started itagain, I wanted to get my heart
rate way down.
And immediately I'm justfocusing on, on nasal breathing,
you know, as I'm running.
And now I've got slowed way downnow.
But I'm focusing, and I, youknow, I've got, you know, I'm on

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my Garmin, I can see my heartrate.
My heart rate's dropping down,stuff like that.
I had it down from 166 to 99 ina minute.

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Mm.

and, and, and then I just did two
more minutes like that and tookoff again.
So, you know, the nasalbreathing is, is amazing and I
wish I had known that in the1980s and 90s and 2000s and,

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Yeah.

you know, I found out later in life.

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we did nasal breathing.
I think that's all of this, man.
We just progress and science isgetting better and writing is
coming forward and I just amgrateful.
I'm grateful to be in a placewhere we can hear all this stuff
and get it.
But we did nasal breathing.
Then we got into some breathwork and started to learn,
really physically embody what itfelt like to breathe in a way
that.

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Those different things in yourbody, in a way that either helps
you go into trauma, come out oftrauma, calm down, wake up, like
the breath is just such a cue.
And then my husband does a lotof surivalist type things he's
in the mountains a lot and justkind of he likes to do
backpacking and he was noticingthat he was really flagging.

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So he started to look atresistance devices to see if he
could mimic what it was likewhen you have to breathe when
there's not as much air.
I mean, we live at 6, 000 feetelevation, but he'll easily hike
up and be in 10 foot elevationin the backwoods when he's
hunting for elk or, Stuff likethat.
So he looked at resistancedevices.
He's had a big full mask.

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He's had a mask that goes overnose and mouth.
He's had this like binky lookingthing

Yeah.

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and, and we've tried all those things.
What we're really liking aboutthe breather.
So I'm just telling people theprogression because you don't
have to have a breather device.
You can do other things.
But what we've learned by goingthrough all those stages is that
man, if you haven't boughtanything to help you kind of
level up your breathing, ifyou're ready to put more
resistance on it and you wantto.
Yeah.

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you know, help your back or helpyour whatever.
I would just go to either thebreather or the breather fit
depending on what your needs arebecause of that ability to
change the dial.
And because it's like, it'sease, I, I can just keep it in
the carpool and it's not likeI'm like, you know, putting a
full mask on my face while I'mwaiting.
I think my

Absolutely.
And that's kind of what,

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that.

that's what the SLPF and of an astral
area.
He was telling me, Hey, man, youknow, this thing is, you know,
and he knew I would, he knew Ihad the discipline cause I'll go
David Goggins on myself everyday.
You know, if I'm laying in bedand I don't, Oh yeah, I love
David Goggins.
I'll be laying in bed somemornings, you know, and it's
like, Maybe I'll run today andthen all of a sudden David
Goggins gets in my ear and justchews and tells me what What a

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horrible person I am andeverything.
I'm not I'm not getting dressed.
I'm out of here Dave.
I'm going man,

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I know.
Okay.
Okay.

i'm afraid of David Goggins enough
that I make sure I use it But Ijust a real tip a little a will
will tip on it, too because it'sgoing to website to show the
ladies sitting down and stuffusing using the breather.
I never sit and use it I alwaysstand.
And even though I've had yearsof using it now, to this day,
you know, hold it my left handand I put my right hand on my

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diaphragm, my belly asaccountability measure as an
accountability measure.
And I do it standing up.
I've done it before laying onthe ground.
But, you know, prone, which isfine too, but I prefer to stand
up, you know, put my hand on mybelly because I want to, I want
to keep myself accountable whileI'm doing it.
I don't want to take anyshortcuts or get lazy or
anything like that, so I want tokeep myself accountable.

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That's a little tip there.

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Yeah, laying down on your back I have found to be a
really great way to do some ofthe pelvic floor engagement.
Just laying and taking deep,deep breaths way down deep in
your hips is one of the verybest ways that you can re sync
your Respiratory diaphragm andyour pelvic diaphragm together,
and it does amazing things foryour body.

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So when I lay down, my cue isI'm actually feeling down, kind
of just lower than my bellybutton, taking those deep, deep,
deep, deep breaths and lettingthem out.
And then I'm doing kind of boththings at once, but you can do
that standing also.
It's just,

hmm.
Right, you can, but

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Yeah.

a trauma, so we had this lady that
worked here.
Very nice lady.
Very smart.
And I miss her.
She's not here anymore, but sheshe had a lot of trauma in her
life.
So when, when she was doing thebreather, you know, I would come
in and do it again here.
And she was more comfortablelaying on the floor doing it.
So I got down on the floor withher.
That's how I started using thefloor.

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You know, it's kind of comical.
Somebody walks in the office.
He's got people laying on thefloor doing a breather.
You know, like, yeah, I know.
It's like, what are y'all doing?
Hey, man, come on down, youknow.
But but for her, that was, andshe'd had a lot of trauma in her
life.
And, and to her standing up orsitting down and just for her to
breathe and do that, she neededto be on the laying down and all
like, I'll be up for anything.

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I'm like, let's go.

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to your body, listen to your, there's usually a reason
you're more comfortable in onethan the other.
Yep.

absolutely, you know, we all, we've all had
trauma.
We handle it differently, youknow, like, like growing up, you
know, out, thus, you know, mydad's like, yeah, Put that bone
back in.
Let's get back over here, youknow.
Okay, dad.
Yeah, that's right.

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was just downstairs.
Oh, I hope so much she becomes astand up comedian because when
she starts to talk about storiesthat she's seen dads do or what
it's like to be raised doingthis or that or this or that, I
just laugh, man, I laugh.

Oh, yeah.

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know, I'm like, you got, I'm so glad you're telling
them this way.
Cause when you used to tell thestories, I'm like, I was like, I
mean, if you say that a littledifferent, we're going to have
Child Protective Services hereand it wasn't that bad.

Oh,

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know.
stuff happens.

say.
Oh, it's not stuff I did or mydad did.
It'd be like, if you said thattoday, people would be freaking
out, you know.
Oh, my God.
I can't believe you did that.
What?
I free ranged my kids.
They were like, I free rangedthem.
Y'all get out there and play,man.

Track 1 (38:30):
so let's move on to, to this.
Basically, your grandkids arestill free ranged.
I, I think a huge piece ofvitality.
Vitality and health are doingthe things that bring us
vitality and health right now.
Like not, not waiting for later.

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Not trying to fight for later.
aging by doing anti aging creamsor whatever.
Like, we are all gonna age.
And what has proven out inculture, in science, in just
good old fashioned observationis that the people that tend to
age the best are the people thatare trying to live with the most

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vitality.
Now, like now moreconversations, more movement,
more creation, morecollaboration, more real food,
more open air, more free time,more all the things that we
want.
That is our anti aging, likesave your freaking money for all
of the stuff you have to do totry to repair it and put it into

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now and a free range is kind oflike a new, a title that we use
for it that describes.
so much, but I know that's kindof how you have worked with your
children, with yourself, and nowwith your grandchildren.
Can you tell me what, whatdrives that philosophy or what
you've noticed or why you'redoing it different?
Cause you're a, you're aninformation gatherer.

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If it wasn't making sense toyou, if it wasn't giving you
results that you liked, I knowyou wouldn't be doing that So

No, absolutely not.

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like about being free

Okay.
Well, let me preface it withthis.
I've earned every wrinkle, andI've earned, I've, I've earned
every bit of this antique blondehair,

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Antique blonde.

That's what, that's what, that's what
the grandkids, the grandkidscall me Grand Dude.

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Grand

still, yeah, because I'll still go out
and skate on our ramp.
We have a quarter pile stillskateboard on that.
I can wheelie my bicep, mymountain bike.
I can, you know, I ride my dirtbike, I do.
All the stuff, you know, I stilldo everything that I did before,
not that level.
Obviously I'm 63.
I can't do quite what I couldthen it's really, it's like
crashing.
It's not the crashing thathurts.
It's a sudden stop at the end,you know?

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And, and at my age that's,that's what, what hurts even
more.
But no, be honest with you, Isaw no, no daddy issues or
anything like that, but I, I sawa dad who ran a big company,
grew up with him and, and gaveus a great life.
So I, but.
He missed a lot.
Like he never saw me playbaseball, you know saw me write

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race motocross a little bit hereand there, but a lot of things
the old man missed out on.
And he passed away three years.
He was in his nineties, youknow, smart guy went to his
office six days a week till hewas 86.
But you know, he, he, he didn'tmove as much as he got older and
every one of his health problemswere because, you know, he just
wasn't moving and stuff.
And I was never gonna let thathappen.

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Actually, before he died, a fewdays before he died, he told me,
he said.
Keep doing everything you do,man.
Just keep doing every bit of it,you know?
And, and you know, I'm not gonnastop.
I may as well die if I'm gonnastop doing that.
So, one of my kids, you know, soone thing I noticed about TV
years ago, TV shows, and I'mnot, look, I'm not anti TV, I,
I, just cause I don't have oneand don't watch it, but I

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noticed something.
These sitcoms and these TVshows, They're never watching
TV.
They're always living theirlife.
So I said to myself, well, ifthey ain't watching TV, I'm not
going to either.
I'm living my life.
And so I got rid of it and, youknow, and that was part of the
reason my kids were going toprep school.
I've spent a lot of money onthat.
I'm going to watch TV.
They're going to study and playtheir sports and be free range.

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So I just made a decision withthat.
After two weeks, no TV, the kidsdidn't even think about it
anymore.
You know, they're like, oh, theydon't even care and stuff and
all.
And it was pretty funny though.
It's just like a, like a littlesidebar.
So they went to this reallynice, probably the best prep
school in the state of Floridacalled Lake Highland Prep.
And one day we were in ourkitchen.

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Yeah, hang on, and this kid, Ijust got an axi back from Utah
to be and I've been mountainbiking out there at Moab and
stuff, and I'd flown in, and mymountain bike was in the
kitchen, and this guy, this kidcomes in our house, and he's
with, he's with Lance, my son,and the kid's like, Hey Lance,
are y'all like really poor?
And Lance is like, I don't knowwhy, the guy goes, y'all don't
have a TV anywhere.

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And Lance, then it hit Lance,and then the kid, then he goes,
and there's a mountain bike inyour kitchen.
And Lance goes, Lance goes,that's a real expensive mountain
bike.
You know, it's just like, justperspective.
You know, the kid thought wewere poor because we didn't have
a TV.
Whereas I thought we werewealthier because we didn't have
one.
You know?

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My daughter, one of my other daughters.
She she came up to me the otherday when we were talking about
How easy it was to getdistracted on tech.
I have tried and tried to makeit so there is less tech and
more conversation, but I feellike it was like a fight of a
sweeping tide and just my voicegoing, no, please, let's do

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something else.
Right.
But so, so what I have decidedis we just talk about it more,
right.
About you know, Learning,especially, yeah, L shy is a
woman I had on a previousepisode and we talked about
mindfulness and tech and aboutnoticing when you're going to
reach for tech and why and whatyou're trying to accomplish or
set or how to monitor yourself.

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So it becomes something that canhelp you instead of distracting
you from your life.
It's like something that canhelp you be more in your life.
And so Jade and I were havingthis conversation and she said
she had watched something onlinewhere the guy said, When you are
choosing how to spend your time,I want you to imagine if you
were to go with your childrenand grandchildren to the theater

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at the end of your life andwatch a movie of your life, and
they could see what you reallydid.
Like, how much of that time isyou watching somebody else live
their life?
Instead of getting up.
Like, if they were to watch youevery day, and you're sitting at
a desk at school, and thenyou're sitting hunched over your
iPad, is that something that isvery, like, that you would want

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to be showing them.
And if not, do what you want todo.

hmm.
Absolutely.

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of that, I just think of it all the time.
It doesn't mean that likeresting and chilling your mind,
watching a little something isbad.
It's just, let's take a momentto pause and think about what
we're actually doing with thetime that's given

Yeah.

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Because

And I'd have,

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they don't, that doesn't happen while you're
sitting on the couch.
That happens

no, absolutely not, because I get
out and engage with them, and Itake them, like, even my own
kids, you know, when they wereyoung, you know, I had them out
riding bikes after school.
And I had them, you know,playing.
And they did sports and, and,and you know, Lance did every,
Lance did everything frombaseball, football, basketball,
skateboard, surfed roadmotocross raced, BMX, my

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daughter Erica.
She did you know, she, sheplayed softball and, and, did
some track and Julia did crosscountry and cheerleading and on
horseback riding.
She did the hunter jumper stuffAnd you know, so I always kept
them, you know moving and doingstuff and then you know And then
I don't do some I love poetryLike, you know, I, I, so I'd

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have them, we, we read poetryand, and I still like the
classics and you know, we, wewent through Old Yeller and you
know, all the Huckle, I mean TomSawyer, Huckleberry Finn, I got
Chocolate Lab named Huckleberrynow after Huckleberry Finn.
I mean, you know, we just,

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a country boy, Will.
Ha ha

we did, and I have an affinity for
Labrador Retrievers.
I mean, I've had all colors andmy last three have been
chocolates and, and, you know,and so we had, we had Labrador
Retrievers in the house, whichis complete comedy at all times
anyway, you know.
I had that, that kind ofhousehold where, you know, I
wanted the kids to expressthemselves.
And I love music.
There's always music playingtoo.
So we had the music, the poetry,the books, the kids playing

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sports.
They're getting a goodeducation.
They're learning Latin.
They're, you know, I'm preparingthese kids.
And at a very young age, theywere all learned, they all
learned how, they, they learnedgun safety.
I didn't want my kids walkinginto somebody else's home and
some kid pulls out a gun becausethey think it's cool.
Hey, my parents had, I wanted mykids to know, hey man, That's

(46:37):
not a toy, okay?
You get out of there immediatelyand get away from that because
you know how dangerous it is.
But, because it's not the gunthat's dangerous.
It's the person holding it.
You know,

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things.
Yep.
As with all things.
It's

so my kids

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not even the Bible.
It's the person holding it.
Yeah.

my, my kids knew from experience and
being trained properly from ayoung age at, at, hey man, these
things, you know, guns are greatin the right hands and used
properly with safety measuresput in.
They're great.
But you know, some dad leavingthem, you know, in my real
estate business, one day I walkin a house in downtown and a

(47:18):
guy, we walk in and a guy's gota loaded AR up on his wall.
Where a kid could reach it, andI couldn't help myself.
I'm like, hey man, that's notthe smartest decision to make
right there, you know what Imean?
You know, and I lectured him on,you know, gun safety, and
because I, because thensomething goes wrong and

(47:39):
everybody says, get rid of theguns.
I'm like, I ain't the gun.
It's, it's, it's the, we'venever had an accident in my
home.
We don't, we, you know, we don'twant to shoot anybody or
anything like that.
But, but,

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what's so funny?
The people that I know that arethe most pro gun rights.
are not the, like, crazies,really.
It's the ones that want to havethe right to defend themselves,
their family, their country, andalso are mad as hell at people

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who are not responsible about itbecause they don't

Oh,

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irresponsible to take away the rights.

william--will--comer_2_ (48:16):
because it makes us look bad.

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exactly, it's just, it's just like anything else.
It is the person, not theinanimate object.
Yep.

I was real strict with my kids on
that and stuff.
And then of course, You know,the whole thing, when they get
on to drive, you know, theylearn how to change a tire, jump
start it before they let themleave the house, and all that
with their car or jeep, truck orjeep, or whatever, you know, and
stuff like that.
And so I just raise them likethat.
Barefoot a lot, too.

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Mm hmm.

Just, you saw, I sent you that picture
of my granddaughter learning howto use a saw on a felled tree
with my son showing her.
Notice she's barefoot there.
The angle of the picture lookslike she could cut her foot, but
there was plenty of distancethere, but it was just But she
spends 80 80 to 90 percent ofher life barefoot running
around.
They're healthier.
The kids are healthier.

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They have better balance.
They don't have the foot Youknow issues that you get and
stuff and and my grandkids upand they're in virginia now
right now because my daughter Myoldest daughter works up there
in banking, you know, so sothey're up They have to live up
there in the cold, but hey, youknow what they come down we have
a blast and then mother mothergrandson he does, you know, he

(49:26):
skateboards in you know in poolsand skate parks and You know,
plays basketball and playsbaseball.
You know, he also does thatthing where the kids run around
and do flips off everything.
Like they run up the wall and doa back flip.
He's got a lot of balance likethat.
You know, we just turn themloose out there.
And of course in there aroundthe animals as well.

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And all of that is foot strength.
All of that is balance, footstrength, diaphragm, hips,
brain, all of it.
And man, when you're activelyusing it, and it's fun, that's
so great.
I mean, I had all these ideasabout what I wanted my children
to do.
I love how you trained them inautomotive, what they need to be
able to show you first.
I wanted them to be able to showme martial arts moves that they

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know before they date.

Mm hmm.
Yeah.

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but there really is, there really is.
only so many hours.
There really is only so muchtime, only so much energy, only
so much focus.
And I think that is part of the,the mindful decision making that
we need to do in our lives.
Because if we get too tight,man, it takes energy.

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It takes vitality to be presentin that.
But if you're trying to overworkand overschedule and then you're
exhausted, and so you over tech.
Then, then you don't have thetime and the energy to come
forward to do those otherthings, the meaningful things
that you'll remember.
Like at the end of the day, thethings that I'm writing, I have

(50:50):
a little thing I write in nearlyevery night.
That's the thing, the bestmoments of the day, the worst
moments of the day and thethings I'm grateful for.
And every time that I'm writingthat, I think.
Man, the things I am mostgrateful for or that came up or
that were the best, they are notthe things that I controlled and
put into the schedule, right?
They aren't the things I wouldhave planned when I woke up this

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morning.
They're the things that came upthat I had the presence of mind
to show up for and to engagewith or that other people did
that for me that showed up withpresence or with conversation or
a thing that they said wherethey, they paused.
It's like you wake up out of thedream and.
Connect.
And the more connection pointsthere are in a day, that is a

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life I want to live.
That is a life I want to live.

absolutely.
And I think I used the freeranging to pick up my slack
because they learned a lot fromfree ranging.
They, they had to make decisionsout there and sometimes their
decisions were good.
Sometimes they were bad and theywere bad.
They were consequences, youknow, and that's okay.
It was good.
And the other thing too is I,I've never, I never bought my

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kids a phone, a cell phone,their bottom cell phone.
They, I never bought them

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hard and then I did succumb.

Once

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There's definitely pros and cons, but yes, tell me your

well, absolutely.
And look, I recognize that.
I do.
I just have my way of doingthings, you know, and I figured
that, hey, man, my, my answer tomy kids.
Of course, at school, everybodyhad like an iPhone or when they
first came out or the otherphones and stuff like that, I
was telling my kids, Hey, man,are you making a living with
your phone?
Do you need it for work?

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No, I said, Okay, you're good.
You know, I just stopped rightthere, you know, and and then
one day when Lance did get aphone when he was older, I
remember we're driving down theroad.
He first gotten a phone.
His mom actually bought it forhim.
We've been divorced and so shesent him home with a phone.
And we're driving down the roadand I'm talking to him.
We're having an importantconversation about something.
Phone rings, Lance answers it.
I looked over at him, I reachedover, I pulled the phone out off

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his ear, held my hand, rolled mywindow down, I threw it out on
the highway and broke the phone.
It's just like, and I told him,I said, when I'm talking to you,
you don't ever again you don'ttake, you don't, that's rude and
it's disrespectful, you don't dothat.
He learned a lesson that day.
You know, what's a phone call?
Who cares?
He learned it.
That, what, what that phonecall's meant nothing.
Another thing too, like takingcare of equipment.

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You know, we grew up ridingmotorcycles, motocross, have to
take care of a tractor, all thatstuff.
You'd have to take care of yourequipment, your truck.
And, and when the kids were 16,I got them a vehicle, and Lance
got a pickup, and Julia got aJeep, and Eric got a Honda,
something like that, becausethat's what they wanted.
But there is responsibility thatgoes with that as well.
And I'll never forget one timein February, on a Friday

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afternoon, Lance come home, thetruck was all dirty.
And I'm like, hey man, you gonnaclean the truck?
Yes sir, I'm gonna do it.
Okay.
Next morning I get up, I go fora long run, I come back, you
know.
You gonna clean the truck,Lance?
I'm gonna get it done today.
Okay, alright.
Sunday morning I go bike ridewith my friends, I come back,
truck's still dirty.
You gonna clean it?
I'm gonna take care of it, Dad.
Sunday night he goes to bed.
And we had a cold front comingin February.

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And the cold front came throughthat early evening and then the
rains and all came through,thunderstorms and all that.
Then it just really cold after,especially for Florida.
He had school the next morning,had to be up at five for
baseball practice.
At one o'clock in the morning, Iwent there and turned his light
on in his room.
I said, okay, man, let's go washthe truck.
I'll get it.
I said, no, you're doing it.
I gave you all weekend.

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So I sat there.
I dropped the tailgate.
I sat there with my lab doorretriever, Reagan.
We sat on the tailgate together.
We watched him wash the truck atone o'clock in the morning.
And he'd gripe and complain andeverything else.
I tell you what, next time he'stold to what, he didn't have a
dirty truck after that, youknow.
Just learn the lesson, man.
You're gonna do it.
You're gonna do it your way ormy way.
But, but the way I looked at it,I paid the bill, so, you know.

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So you're gonna take care of it.

Absolutely.
And plus, I was trying to teachhim lessons in life, you know
what I mean?
Everything I did, I tried toteach him, hey man, you know,
one day you're gonna be on yourown.
And I do feel good that if IfI'm walking out of here today,
and I go for a bike ride thisevening, and somebody plows me,
and, and I'm done, I, I feelgood that I, I, my kids I know
can all take care of themselves.

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You know, and they can take careof their families.
That's a good feeling to have,to be honest with you.
It really is.
And I'm sure people, youngerpeople are going, that guy, I
don't know what he's talkingabout.
But as you get older, youreflect on that.
And you do, you do want that,you know, that calmness that,
okay, hey man, you know, my,that part's done.
Okay, they can take, my son,kind of hard to talk about what

(55:25):
he did, but, you know, he wasin, he did combat tours in the
military stuff and and he's abad dude.
I mean, he can take care ofwhatever he needs to.
Okay.
And I know that his family issafe with him and, you know, his
daughter and son and his wife,the property, his animals,
they're all, they're all safewhen, when he's there.
and and I like that.

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I like my daughters know how totake care of themselves, can
protect themselves.
You know, Julia and Erica bothcan take care of themselves as
well.
And, and Erica's husband, youknow, Aaron, he can take care of
himself.
You know, he's a man.
He's not, he's not, he's not afluffy guy.
He's, he can, he can take careof himself.
And, and that, that's important,you know, without a doubt.

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one of the best compliments I've been given and
I, I giggle about it becauseit's not a compliment I would
have thought was a compliment atone point.
I would have thought it waslike, you know, a commentary on
my parenting and saying we'redoing something wild or
something, but my brother inlaw, who's a very analytical
very successful, but a very,like to the point, let's just
speak how to, how I see it.

(56:24):
Right.
We were talking about.
survival, I think, or there'sjust in Utah, there's one big
freeway that goes up the middle,right?
And if, if crap were to ever hitthe fan, right?
Zombie apocalypse,

Right.

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massive nation invading us, whatever.
And people were trying to getfrom one place to the other in
the state.
Most, most roads lead to thatone interstate, right?
It would be huge jams unless youknow your way around.
And as we were talking about,you know, navigating different
situations, how would you dothis?
Where would we meet?
How could we keep this together?
You know, he was like, all Iknow is this.

(56:59):
I hope my kids find your kidsbecause wherever the Whitaker
kids are, they're going tofigure it out.
They're just going to figure itout.
And I thought, Hey, like, thankyou.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for that.

are great life skills to have, those
are great life skills to have,you know, and we've always had a
plan, you know, we all, youknow, hey, we're gonna meet
here, we'll do this, you know,we'll take care of that, and,
you know, I mean, we'refortunate that we have, you
know, we have food supply, wehave heifers, you know, we have
chickens, and you know, we'renot gonna eat our dogs, but, but
we have dogs, you know, forprotection and stuff like that,

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but, but, you know, we, we knowhow to hunt.
You know, we know how to fish wecan, we can work, I mean, I'm
not a master mechanic, but I canget things done, you know, we
can get things done and keepthings running and stuff like
that, and we have water, and weknow how to grow things, and we
don't till the soil.
Remember,

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Thank you!

we don't, yeah,

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episode, thank you!

william--will--comer_2_ (57:53):
that's, that's right, and that's mostly,
I think, mostly commercial farmsthat do that kind of stuff, the
big commercial farms and allthat, that ruin everything.
You know, we don't, we don't dothat stuff, you know, we, we, we
grow and grow really well.
So, so, you know, these are allskills, you know, to have and,
but the thing is, you don't haveto be out on a big property like
that.
My house here in town, you canget a, you'd be surprised on a
small little patch in your yardwhat you can grow.

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Yeah.
And how fun it is, truthfully.
Yep.

or, or a little you know, you can or
if you're in an apartment youcan get one of the the The wood
Planter boxes, Yeah.
thank you.
I'm drawing a blank on it.
Yeah.
well, those engross some fruitsand vegetables in that and it's,
it's, it's not that difficult todo, you know, to take care of
yourself and, and have, have abackup for anything.
And, or if not even if and hopeyou never use it like that.
Hope you just get to use it forfun, eating the good stuff and,

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and, you know, when, when we eatbeef, you know, our, our, our,
our heifers, they're never, theyeat grass.
They eat locally grown coastalhay.
And we throw some whole corn andsome little pellets out there
for a treat for them.
We don't inoculate them.
We do all these differentthings.
And when, when people eat themeat, it's like, they're like,
wow, man, this tastes different.

(59:01):
Yeah, it's called fresh, youknow, and it's completely
different.
And our, our, our,

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stressed, completely different hormones running
through their body.
I mean, they are living beings,same as us, and their
surroundings and their food andtheir sense of fear or safety,
it all

Oh, and we do keep them safe.
We keep donkeys out there too.
Donkeys are your security, youknow, it's kind of funny, but
they are, you know, donkeys.
Oh, yeah, donkeys are?
great security for the animals.

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What do they do?
How do they

kick, you know what, if you get
coyotes out there, wild hogs,donkeys will kick them,
everything, donkeys are a greatsecurity on a, on a property
with, with a heifers, yeah, andthey're, and they're, and you
know, they, they befriend themtoo, they're out there like, you
know, being friends, hanging outand stuff, and especially if one
calves or something, you know,the donkeys are really good to
have out there as well, because,you know, you get the calf out
there, so it's, it's, no, it's,it's great to have donkeys on

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the property and, you know,They're fun, too, you know, I
mean, they're, you know,listening to them out there, you
know, you know, all and all thatstuff.
And then all the chickens, andour chickens are actually truly
free range.
We're not the U.
S.
government, or was it three bythree they consider free range,
which is ridiculous, you know.
I mean, we turn them out allday, and they run all over the
property.
They know to come back in atnight, though.

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Yeah.

william--will--comer_2 (01:00:14):
Chickens aren't the smartest thing, but
they know in the evening, ifthey don't get back in that
coop, that they're gonna have arough night.
You know, and the roosters runaround and help, you know, help
us to, you know, gather them upand stuff like that.
We get them in the, in the coopsat night and stuff, and it's all
good.
Then, you know, collect all theeggs and get, get, collect the
eggs twice a day and sell themand sell, sell a lot of them,

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keep some of them, you know,they're all fresh.
And we only use locally localfeed mill.
That's where we get the feed forthe chickens from local feed
mill and of course where theylike whatever poor insects
running around the ground orwhatever out there, they get,
you know, it's like I saw'em onetime, like eight of'em, you
know, like chasing after the onehen and she had a, that hand
cockroach in her mouth.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, come on.
You know, I'm thinking I ain'teating eggs.
like

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no thanks.
Not thinking about it.
Not thinking about it.
You know, I think about thatsometimes with us.
I was in with us as in with usas human beings.
I was in my graduate school.
I remember my nutritionprofessor one time No, it was a
guest lecture that was like the,I think, assistant.
president of the school.

(01:01:23):
He came in and he was talkingabout the wonder that it is to
have a human body.
And he said, you think you knowwhat you're doing?
Like, you think you know whatyou're doing in this body?
You, you, take this Twinkie,make an eyeball out of it.
And I thought,

william--will--comer_2_03 (01:01:39):
Yeah.

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man, it is amazing what we are making our bodies out of.
I mean, but when we give it goodquality nutrients and the
minerals we need and blah, blah,blah, it's better.
But yeah, I think about that.
You talk about the chicken withthe cockroach and like, Oh, I'm
not eating your eggs.
And I think of a teenager with aSlurpee and a candy bar.

(01:02:01):
And I don't know, something madeof like textured soy protein
taco.
And I think, how are you even,how are you even functioning?
Our bodies are insane.
I mean, it has a cost, but it'samazing that we can do

william--will--comer_2_03-12 (01:02:14):
it doesn't, and, and, and the sad
thing is if more people just payattention, like, is, the body's
an amazing thing.
And look, I've had a lot ofinjuries, I mean, you know, with
all the stuff I've done.
Four dislocated shoulders,eleven broken ribs, two
dislocated broken elbow, brokenfingers, broken feet, two
bruised kidneys, a crackedcoccyx teeth broken, seven
concussions, and I'd do everybit of it again.

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I wouldn't give any of it up.
Because I was using my body inways that were so much fun and
so cool.
You know, there's just, I, youknow, I mean, I've been to the,
all of the United States and,and, and parts of Canada,
Mexico, and Iceland.
I've been to all these coolplaces and I've, I've gotten to
experience and I've gotten toclimb Mount Rainier over at 12,
000 feet.
And I've, I've been, you know,up on, you know, seeing glaciers

(01:03:00):
up there.
I'm a Florida boy, you know whatI mean?
Yeah.
And the mountain bikes on these.
Snoqualmie Pass in 1996.
I had a Bigfoot sighting thatday.
I didn't get to see it, but Iwas like Like, hey cool, you
know, but but you know, i'm alli'm good with it But but you
know, there's so many thingsthat you know People just get

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look our body was designed tomove what is designed to walk 19
miles a day or something likethat Our bodies were designed to
move not sit around and evenhere in my office I have my desk
and I have a stand up desk Ihave them both.
You know, I walk around theoffice.
A lot of times I walk around theoffice here barefoot, you know,

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presentation that was talking about current research a
couple of years ago, and theywere saying just be Paper after
paper has showed that sitting isactually worse, worse overall
for your body than smoking,which is

william--will--comer_2_03-12- (01:03:52):
I I I I don't doubt that, you
know, and what's it do to thepeople get complacent If you sit
the longer you sit the easier isto sit,

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Yeah.

you know No, I want to be I want to
I want to do some David Goggin.
I want to be uncomfortable attimes every day you know because
you know you're living in andyou're feeling stuff and You
know, you do it's it's like Likerunning, I've run since I was 15
or 16 to stay in shape formotocross.
I've run all these years, andthe last few years I've had a

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little bit of trouble withplantar fasciitis, but overall
I've been pretty good.
injury free for the most part,you know, except for like
accidents where I got hurt doingsomething, you know, but from
running itself repetition andinjuries, I've been relatively
injury free, but man, I justlove to run, you know, there's
something about, you know,you're clearing your mind out,
you know, your body, how youfeel, there's something, Really

(01:04:42):
cool about it.
I, I don't even, you know,primal, I guess.
I don't even, even, but it'sjust really cool to go out and
go for a run.
Same with a bike.
I mean, look, I, I spent overfour hours on a bike last
Saturday morning.
You don't do that if you don'tlike it.
Okay.
And, you know, and I enjoy it.
And then I came home, I hung outwith Huckleberry a little bit.
I read a little bit.
And I jumped on my motorcycleand went riding it for a couple

(01:05:03):
hours.
That was fun, you know.
So, just want to have some, youknow, I just want to enjoy
myself.
And Sunday was my birthday, sowe all went out and had a big
breakfast at a place and, youknow, hung out.
It was all goofy and stuff, youknow.

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Happy birthday.

You get, yeah, you get a bunch of
rednecks together.
It's just, it's just, it's justridiculous.
It's

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a lot, that's what happened.

Stuff like that.
You know, just like it's justthe You know,

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to wrap it up,

you what, the,

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Oh, sorry, you go.

I was gonna say there, there's
some, some really, some, theybreathe really well for
rednecks, because I've got themall like using the breather, and
I'm on them all the time, likey'all need to use this, and, and
I make sure I hold themaccountable, you know,

Track 1 (01:05:43):
Well, breathing really well makes it so you can laugh
longer, so that helps you andeveryone else.

william--will--come (01:05:49):
Absolutely, it does, you know, and the thing
is, I mean, If you've ever hadyour breath knocked out of you
or something, or, or been in astress, you know, grow up in
Florida, you know, you grow, youlive in the water.
I mean, luckily we don't havefins instead of fingers and
feet, you know, and we spend somuch time in the water.
But when you, but I've been insituations, you know, through

(01:06:10):
surfing or through other stuffin the water.
In a triathlon, the beginning ofthe swim of a triathlon can be
very chaotic and, and, and notviolent like people hit you,
but, but you do get hit a lotand get pushed under and stuff
like that in the beginning, thevery beginning.
Yeah.
When breath is held from you oryou have a difficulty breathing
because the breath has beenknocked out of you.
It's not a, it's not a good,good feeling.

(01:06:31):
And look, if we can helpsomebody with the breather with
COPD or Parkinson's or whatever,not breathing well, we can help
them breathe.
Well, man, I think that's anamazing thing.
And, you know, and even athletesor singers to breathe well, I
mean, you know, when you'regasping for air, you know, at
the top of the hill orsomething, it helps if, you
know, if you can get breathcontrol and get your breath back
quicker and, you know, yourheart rate variability.

(01:06:53):
I think you said you've got aguy coming on soon.
You're discussing that.

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Yep.

I can't wait to hear that one.
I am enjoying your podcast, bythe way.

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I'm so happy to hear that.

Yeah, I think seven of them I've
listened to so far, seven oreight.
I'm getting them.
I'm getting them down.

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So just to, I know we need to wind this down, and I
think that's perfect.
A perfect segue back into anencapsulation is just, whatever
your in your life.
I mean, whether that sounds likethe life that William leads,
which sounds ideal to me, whoa,free range, lots of fun, lots of

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activity, lots of all of that.
That sounds amazing to me.
But even if that isn't, youknow, someone in the audience's
dream, if it's something else,it's just, what do you want to
do with your life?
What makes it good now?
And how can you breathe in andmove more and engage in what it
is that you love to do.
Even if what you love to dogives you the litany list of

(01:07:52):
injuries that you just listed orhas other effects, that's still
alive.
It's alive.
That is our anti aging.
That is our vitality, isactually being engaged in what
you want to do.
Now, mindfully, with your time,with your energy, with your
resources, and with your breath.
I am just so grateful for youcoming in today and for sharing

(01:08:14):
your stories and your wisdom andfrom in the trenches from like
somebody who's been doing thisfor decades and will continue to
do it for as long as you get theopportunity to.
I'm so grateful to rub shoulderswith you and to be reminded of
how we make a life with vitalityis, you know, putting our
vitality into it.

yeah, I appreciate, I do.
I, I, yeah, I enjoy it.
We got one, one shot here.
I want to make the best of asmuch as I can, you know, and I
make mistakes like everybodyelse and mess up.
It's like, Hey man, you know,and then that thing just went
real quick.
I have a lot of friends thatdon't do all the athletic stuff,
you know, but we talked aboutbooks, music, whatever, you
know, I mean, it's like, Youknow, I, I don't tell everybody

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how to live their life.
Y you know what I mean?
You know, I mean, I, I just, Ilive the way I, I, I live, I
choose to live.
And, and, and I'm fortunatethat, that I'll stand up for
myself, you know, if I don'twant to eat something, I'm in a
place I go, Hey man, I'm, Idon't want to eat that.
You know?
And I just don't do it.
You know, sometimes people, Hey,that's kind of not cool, but I'm
not putting some of that stuffin my, in my body.

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And

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hmm.

I'm good,

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Well, I like what you said, like, eat or do what feels
good to you.

Right.

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Read or watch or engage with or support what feels good
to you.
I mean, we all have a note toplay, and when we all play our
notes, it makes a beautifulsymphony.
Like, just because you want todo motocross doesn't mean
somebody else wants

Or run like I don't I don't push
running on people, you know, yougot you got to love that stuff
at all You know, but what whatand then

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live, live.

Yeah, that's what I'd say to
everybody.
Just live, go out and live yourlife and enjoy yourself and, you
know, and, and, and, and it'sall, and the thing is, most
people are pretty good.
I think there's a country songabout that actually, but, but
they really are.
Most people are, most peopleyou'll meet are, are, are pretty
good people overall.
I've traveled all over and metpeople all over and.
You know, I've mountain bikedpeople I've never met until that

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morning, you know what I mean?
Or run with people I've nevermet.
I was up in Virginia recently,and I went to run Manassas on a
Sunday morning.
I couldn't remember the trail,and there was a group of people
right there, and they enjoyedit.
I never met these people in theday of my life, and I went
running with them on the wholetrail system.
They're on the battlefield ofManassas, beautiful, running in
the morning.
You know, most people, like Isaid, if you just say hi, Put

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the phone down, you know, I cansee people walking their dog,
pushing their stroller, andthey're looking at their phone.
I'm like, man, put your phonedown, pay attention to your
baby, point things out, love onyour dog.
You're good.

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I was actually in Vegas.
We were at the biggestchiropractic conference in the
world.
That's where I saw Goggins andSimon Sinek and Just a bunch of
really really neat people.
But during a little break, wewent out to find somewhere in
Vegas that we could eat quickly.
And there's this sort ofalleyway with cool shops on it
and an In N Out burger.
There's a big old fountain and Isat on the edge of the fountain

(01:10:59):
and instead of pulling out myphone, I just enjoyed the sun
right here.
It's winter where I live and inVegas, it's still warm.
So just, Oh, I just, yeah.
breathe that sun in.
And there was a lady sittingnext to me that I started
talking to.
She was from Canada.
And then the next day we went tothe same place and I spoke to a
woman who was from Costa Ricaand one from Guatemala.

(01:11:20):
And we just sort of peoplewatched and talked.
And I actually was thinking,wow, I'm grateful for the
presence here, who you can meetand who you can talk to in 15
minutes with presence isamazing.
And PS sleep and meeting newpeople are some of the very best
things you can do for yourbrain.
Some of the

Oh, absolutely.

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you can do.
So, pros

william--will--comer_2_ (01:11:41):
mention just one more thing, too, before
we go?
I appreciate chiropractors.

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Me too.

I chiropractor's offices over the
years, okay?
And the one thing I'll say that,I mean, anymore you go to a
doctor, First thing you want todo is put some drug in you from
Big Pharma, okay?

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Yeah.

I don't do that.
Like, when my son racedMotocross, I said, Hey dude,
it's not when, it's not if youget hurt, it's when you get
hurt.
I said, you're not taking thepain pills they're going to give
you.
I've had friends that have goneto prison and are not here now
because they did, they got, theywere regular people and they got
hooked on opioids and it ruinedtheir life, okay?

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And I told Lance, I said, ifthey're giving you a pill and
they're giving you a laxativewith said pill, It can't be all
that good for your system,alright?
So, we're not doing that.
If you, you know, and when hebroke his wrist, and he broke
his tip, he went through a lotof pain and stuff.
And but, I mean, they put himunder for surgery and stuff, and
the hospital, once he got outthere, they sent you home with
opioids and all, and that wentright, that got flushed

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immediately, okay?
And I said, you know, pain'sweakness leaving the body.
All right, buddy, we're going toget used to this here.
And if you're going to pay, butyou're not going to, you're not
going to be doped up and stuff.
And I went, wow.
So the chiropractors have alwaysbeen more open minded.
I started going to chiropractorsback when I was I discovered one
in, in the late 80s when I wasdoing triathlons a lot and
rates.
I had some sciatic issues, youknow, and I go to the doctor and

(01:13:07):
they're like, Oh, just takethis.
I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
I'm out of here.
So I go and, you know, I found achiropractor and man, I wish I
could remember the lady's name,but.
Man, it was, it was, it wasamazing.
I mean, the, the sciatica was sobad, I was having, I was having
dreams at night that I had a leglength discrepancy.
That's how bad the pain was.
But she was, she was amazing.
and and, and the adjustmentsI've had, you know, with the

(01:13:28):
plantar here and there, youknow, I, I just, I, I, I,
They're, they're more open.
Chiropractors, what I've found,have been more open minded.
And, and kind of look at thewhole situation instead of just
wanting to reach for somethingand give you, Hey, take this,
call me in two weeks.
You know?

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that is a part of the basic chiropractic philosophy is
to try to look at the whole bodyand look at it as though your
body is making an intelligentchoice.
when something hurts or whensomething doesn't feel right.
Like we are a system that is socomplex and so interconnected
that if something is getting ourattention, we look at, all

(01:14:04):
right, well, what could becausing that and what causes
that up the chain and up furtherup the chain and further up the
chain and how can we help it?
So how I look at my job as achiropractor is helping the body
be more and more free.
It's like, to me, a series ofpulleys and gears that fit
together as if we're like that,that biomechanical part is our

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biomechanical sort of machine.
And I look at it as if, man, ifthese gears are jammed just like
in any other kind of machine,it's not going to work well.
And that's just at the basics.
Add in your nervous system, addin your energetic system, add in
all of those other things and itgets so complicated.
But if we can just make the bodymore and more.
free by getting to some of theroot causes in whatever way we

(01:14:51):
can, through chiropractic,through therapy, through
nutrition, through whatever,then we just have more and more
life.
There's just more and morecapability.
Oh, the opiate crisis is insane.
At

Yeah.
I don't, I don't participate.

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about it now that people will say that the opiate
crisis, and we know, but thereare just so many other options
for pain.
There's so many other optionsfor health and there's so many
other options for vitality.
And I am grateful that I am in aprofession and was trained that
way to be some of the people onthe forefront of standing for
the

Well, and And like you say, the gears
and those things, I mean, ifyour mountain bike, your road
bike, or your tractor, you know,you get adjustments on, keep
running smooth, you know what Imean?
Same with the body and stufflike that.
Instead, you know, I don't goand throw a, you know, some
opioid at my mountain bike ortractor, you get adjustments on
it, you put good fuel in it, youknow what I mean?
And,

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it putting a smiley face sticker over a dash light.
If you're like, needs attention,needs attention.
I don't have time Let's justcover up that dash light and
it'll be fine.
I'm sure it'll be

One final thing I'll say about
chiropractors too, I found theytend to listen more, like when
you go in, My experience is, is,you know, because I think they
want to make the properadjustment or whatever, and they
want to listen to actually whatyou, what you went through and
what you're going through andlike what you're doing, you
know, they've always been morespecific about, okay, are you
running on road?

(01:16:12):
You're running on brick roadsbecause a lot of brick streets,
right?
Or are you running on dirt roadsand stuff too?
Like, where are you running?
What, you know, what shoes areyou wearing?
You know, they tend to beusually in better shape, too.
than a typical M.
D.
That I found.
The chiropractors do probablymore active.
And so they maybe that's whythey maybe it's maybe that's

(01:16:34):
what draws them to it, too.
You know, maybe there's thattype of person is drawn to that.
But that's my experiences withchiropractors over the years and
all.
So that's why I've alwaysenjoyed talking to you or other
chiropractors.
I talked to the business here.
It's fun.

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well, thank you and as far as that goes the I think
Going to a chiropractor versusgoing to like a pain clinic.
I think you ask questionsaccording to the answers that
you have if If you only have theanswer of referring for surgery
or of giving a pill to block thepain, then you don't really need
to know a lot of information.
But if the answers that you haveare are going into the causes of

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problems and how do I tape?
How do I support?
How do I adjust?
What exercise do I need?
Then you need more questions.
And

Oh, absolutely.
And look, when I'm,

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a lot more questions too.

I ask a ton of questions, they're
like, my gosh, this guy don'tshut up, man.
I

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up so people can go on with their days.
Thank you so much for joiningus, Will.
And for everybody else, I surelook forward to seeing you next
time.

All right.
We'll see you.
Keep up the shows, too.
I like them.
Such a fun conversation.
My takeaways from that would benumber one.
Breathe breathe right now.
Breathe through your nose.
Breathe into your lower ribs orinto your deep pelvic floor.

(01:17:57):
Just breathe intentionally.
And if you want to step up yourgame, breathe against
resistance.
It helps decrease your low backpain, increase your stamina,
speed, your illness, recovery,and helps your voice be heard.
The best device that I havefound for breathing against
resistance is the breather.
And I talk about it so much.
They gave me a coupon code.

(01:18:17):
So if you go to P N medical.comor just look up the breather
device and you put in the code,Dr.
Becca, all caps.
Then you can get 20% off.
And I put a link for both ofthose things in the show notes,
with a reminder of the code.
Number two, what helps us agewell is also what helps us live?
Well now we have so much morevitality in our lives by showing

(01:18:40):
up for our lives.
In a way that we like.
Be that TV or no TV.
Free range, grandparenting orsuper-structured grandparenting,
which leads me to number three.
Our way doesn't have to beanyone else's way.
Play your note in the symphonyof life and we'll all be better

(01:19:01):
for it.
Links for all those things arein the show notes.
And I'm super excited to tellyou about next week's guest.
His name is Dr.
Aaron blight and he's thefounder of caregiving kinetics.
He's been named one of the top100 health care leaders by the
international forum onadvancements in healthcare.
And he's an internationalspeaker and a consultant about

(01:19:22):
caregiving, aging andhealthcare.
He's also a personal friend ofmine and just a really standup
guy.
He shares vulnerably about whathappened in his personal life
that showed him how important itwas to learn about caregiving.
And he points out that most ofus will be a caregiver at one
point in our life.

(01:19:43):
Or we'll be receivingcaregiving.
And wouldn't it be amazing if weknew how to take care of
ourselves better.
And the people that werecaregiving for, we go over a
five ways to support a familycaregiver.
We go over the changes in rolesthat it takes when you begin
caregiving for people that maybeare in your family or that are
friends and those dynamicchanges.

(01:20:05):
And he talks about how we cansupport each other as we do it,
no matter what role we're in.
So please tune in.
It's so beneficial in helpingyour family dynamic
relationships and also therelationships of those you're
caregiving with tune in nextweek.
And I will meet you here.

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