December 4, 2025 • 45 mins
How hot is the water around us—and have we noticed? We explore the slow drift from holiness through the “boiling frog” lens, then anchor the conversation in Isaiah: our righteousness is from God, not from good vibes, partisan platforms, or polite silence. That single truth reframes everything from church culture to our daily choices, revealing how small, “reasonable” compromises grow into heavy ropes that pull us off course.
We get honest about the difference between Jesus eating with sinners and the modern habit of affirming what he never affirmed. Fear often dresses up as kindness. Tradition poses as wisdom. But when we replace courage with niceness, the gospel loses its edge. We challenge the church-as-business trend—when parishioners become customers and Sunday becomes a product, discipleship takes a back seat. Metrics and branding can’t do what repentance and mutual correction were designed to do.
The heart of our call is intimacy. “I never knew you” isn’t a line for someone else; it’s a warning for anyone content with a surface relationship with Christ. Real fruit only grows from union with the Vine (Jesus Christ). That intimacy fuels discernment in the last days, helps us test fruit rather than hype, and turns fear into bold, tender love. We finish with a practical charge: take inventory, ask where a thread became a rope, and invite the Spirit to cut it. Wake up, stay alert, and let holiness look like daily, Spirit-led obedience that loves people without affirming sin.
If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help others find the show. Your support helps us keep these conversations honest, hopeful, and rooted in the Word of God.
Feel free to check us out over on YouTube!! Be sure to subscribe to stay in the loop!
What Then Say You - YouTube
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Keith (00:21):
Good morning, good evening, good afternoon,
whatever time it is that you aretuning into the podcast.
Today is a wonderful day thatthe Lord has made.
Let us be glad and rejoice init.
Um, hope y'all had uh goodholidays.
If you celebrate the holidaysor whatever, had a good time to
meet with your families andfriends and all that jazz.
And um today, um, yeah, let'sget back to the to the real meat
(00:43):
of things.
Um, and so we can extend extendthat holiday meat into some
word and uh let it let it digestand hit our everything that it
needs to hit.
I know that was lame, right?
Super lame.
Anyway, um, but no, seriouslythough.
I wanted to talk about what?
Yeah, I can say that with aclean, straight face and just
keep it pushing because youknow, if you caught it, you
(01:05):
caught it.
If you didn't, you didn't.
But anyway, no, I wanted totalk about um there's this old
anecdotal statement, right?
And it's it's like when you howto cook a frog, you know, you
put a boiling, you don't put afrog in boiling water because it
will just jump straight out,right?
And the premise behind that um,you know, antidote or recipe.
Tunisha (01:26):
You're gonna slowly turn up the temperature to
convince the frog to staying in.
Keith (01:30):
Right.
Yeah, you can put it in thereand it can be cold, and it's
just like it's chilling, and asit gets hotter and hotter and
hotter, eventually, you know,you got frog leaks, which by the
hate, by the way, I do not likefrog licks, but to the point of
the analogy, the the idea isthat it does not realize that
it's boiling until it's toolate.
And I feel like um, you know,in our modern culture, right,
(01:54):
we've gotten to this place towhere the water is is the
temperature is rising, right?
And believe it or not, wealready might be at the point
prior to boiling.
Just some of us are asleep inthe in the hot water right now.
But um, but no, seriously, Ifeel like in our culture we've
we've gone so far from the wordand kind of what it talks about,
(02:19):
and even you know, havingconversation with random people
about God and Israel and justbasic concepts, you know, the
the opinions vary so wide on thespectrum.
Like, even if we pick a topiclike righteousness or holiness
or you know Jesus Christ andYeshua and what it all means,
(02:39):
the church and itsestablishment.
And and what I think ishappening, right, is that over
time we've allowed small sin toenter into the body, small
concepts, right, under thepremise, under the guise of it
being good, right?
Under the guise of it being agood idea, and you know, like if
(03:00):
you go back to the 90s, thewhat would Jesus do, you know,
wristband that you would have.
And it was just like, yeah,Jesus, he would do that, you
know, and that sounds good.
And so we allow it in, and thennext thing you know, you know,
we're we're in this space towhere the church literally looks
like any other business in theworld.
(03:21):
You know, um, the message is ismore of a motivational life
coaching methodology than it isabout holiness and righteousness
and and like being heldaccountable, you know, the basic
things that are in the word.
And I wanted to start off inIsaiah.
Tunisha (03:38):
Can I just I know I don't even know where you're
going yet.
I just fine.
You said something about peopledoing things because it was
good.
Yeah, right?
And the verse that came to me,because I heard it a few days
ago when I was listening tosomething, but the verse that
came to me was Isaiah 54, 17,and everybody knows the verse,
right?
Keith (03:55):
This is about to get real like.
Tunisha (03:57):
And it says, because y'all know it because y'all use
it for a whole bunch of reasons,and you know, and obviously we
use it because we should beusing it, but I want to read
this verse, but I want to honein on something that it says.
It says, No what weapon formedagainst you shall prosper, and
every tongue which rises againstyou in judgment you shall
condemn.
This is the heritage of theservants of the Lord, and their
(04:19):
righteousness is from me, saysthe Lord.
The the part that is verypowerful, and I like to use
verses that we often use all thetime.
Yeah, that most of the time youdon't have to say, Where'd you
find that at?
You've heard it so many times.
Keith (04:33):
T-shirts everywhere.
Yeah, right?
Tunisha (04:35):
You've heard it so many times, or people are quoting it
all the time.
And I'm the one who likes tosay a verse, like I'll quote
John 3.16.
I say, Did you read the nextpart?
Yeah.
Um, I like to quote the verse,but then say, Did you really
listen to what it said?
The very end of it says thatthe heritage of the servants of
the Lord and their righteousnessis from who?
Me.
That was God.
Their righteousness is from me.
(04:55):
We can't compare ourrighteousness to the world's
righteousness.
We can't say what I'm doing isis in right standing with what
the world says.
Yeah.
No, we have to say what I'mdoing is in right standing with
what God says.
Keith (05:06):
Yes.
Tunisha (05:07):
And I think when you said that, because I know we're
about to go wherever we'regoing, but I was like, let's
just make sure that this isclear before we go forward.
Keith (05:14):
I love that you bring that up because you know, if if
y'all don't know this about us,um, there's no pregame, there's
no like this is what we're gonnatalk about, and we're gonna do
this thing.
I was about to go somewhere atleast.
No, it's beautiful becauseguess where I'm at?
I'm in Isaiah chapter 5.
All right, and we're gonna gothrough verse 18 down into 20.
(05:35):
It says, Woe to those who beginby pulling a tra at
transgression with a thread, butend by dragging sin along as if
with a cart rope.
They say we want God to speedup his work, to hurry it along
so we can see it.
We want the Holy One ofIsrael's plan to come true right
now so we can be sure of it.
(05:55):
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil, who change
darkness into light and lightinto darkness, who change bitter
into sweet and sweet intobitter.
Woe to those seeing themselvesas wise, esteeming themselves as
clever.
I didn't I didn't tell you Iwas in Isaiah first.
Tunisha (06:14):
I don't know why, but that slip brought tears to my
eyes hearing it.
Um we're seeing in the worldtoday is that is that like it's
y'all don't know how many peoplewe have spoken to over the
months, and I wouldn't want tosay years, but I'm gonna just
use months because recent ismore important, right, than the
(06:35):
years, because then we say,well, in years we can grow.
But over the months, over themost recent times, that are
being taken away from theauthenticity of this word, from
the truth of this word, andliterally doing just this,
literally like it's alreadyhere, you know, it's already
happened.
We're ready, it's it's this isexactly what we're supposed to
(06:57):
be doing.
This is exactly what this isabout, or it's not about that,
it's about this, you know, anddon't get me started on
replacement theology, but it'sjust like it's it's so
concerning for me because Ithink if you don't, if you don't
truly love God, you don't lovepeople.
Keith (07:17):
Right, that's true.
Tunisha (07:18):
And I think a lot of people say, well, I love, you
know, and it's just like goingback to his righteousness is
his, so is his love.
And it's like a lot of a lot ofus are walking around like, oh,
I love him, I love this person,I love this person.
This is why I'm here, you know,literally calling evil good,
literally saying it's okay thatyou sin like that.
Jesus did not compromise withsin.
Keith (07:37):
Yeah, that is true.
Tunisha (07:38):
Like Yeshua had no place for sin.
Well, Nisha, he sat with thesinners.
You you hear that?
He did.
But did he sin?
Keith (07:47):
Yeah, did he agree with what we're doing is is great and
fine and dead.
Tunisha (07:52):
That that is not we see Jesus coming to a dark world
and go into the per the placesthat people had need of him,
which are people gonna usuallybe in their sin.
Yeah, you know, but you neversaw him say, Oh, well, it's
okay.
I got it's all right.
He if that were the case, hesaid, if I did not speak, then
they would not have sinned.
Keith (08:13):
Yeah.
Tunisha (08:14):
But because I speak, they have sinned.
Okay, if if that's the sameYeshua that said that in the
word, then that's the sameYeshua that's saying that today
there was no compromise.
Yeah, it was because he spoke.
It is it's the same reason whywe're supposed to give the
gospel, it's the same reason whywe're supposed to tell the
truth about God's love and hissalvation.
(08:34):
It's because of those thingsthat now they are clearly
evident that they have sinned.
Yeah, and they have need ofhim.
Keith (08:41):
Yeah.
And and this is what the mainpoint of the conversation today
is all about, right?
Like pointing it out, right?
Because if if nobody's sayingit and everybody's just going
with the motions, then you know,that's that's on me.
That's on you.
That's on every believer thatis accepted Yeshua the Messiah
(09:02):
as Lord and Savior over theirlife.
If they're not going and beingobedient to the Holy Spirit and
calling things out and saying itlike it is by way of the Holy
Spirit, the blood is on ourhands too.
We're guilty of seeing but notcorrecting, seeing but not
holding accountable, and justyou know, and so in verse 18,
(09:24):
again, it just says, Woe tothose who begin by pulling at
transgression with a thread.
I just want to pause therebecause it ties into that the
the frog in the water conceptagain.
You know, when we when we lookout amongst our own lives, um
amongst the the church, amongstum our country, the
(09:45):
transgression at a at a thread.
It's it's interesting to me thethings that we fight for and
the things that we don't asbelievers, right?
Like, and and I'm gonna go, I'mgonna start here, but then I'm
gonna work our way all the wayfrom you know out to in.
Tunisha (10:00):
Don't hit them too hard though, because we don't need
to explain why you hit hard.
Keith (10:03):
So Okay.
So I'll use a topic like, youknow, um, we have this base
called evangelicals, right?
Every time there's an electoralelectoral time in our country,
it's you have this base ofevangelicals.
Evangelicals means those thatbelieve in Jesus Christ and and
they're voting based off ofhaving that voice heard.
Tunisha (10:26):
I just said don't hit them hard, and you went right to
the heart.
Keith (10:28):
Because you got to.
Like I'm I just said literally.
Tunisha (10:32):
I already knew you were gonna say it.
I knew you were gonna hear it.
Go ahead.
Keith (10:36):
So you have evangelicals, right?
And ultimately, the the wholepurpose, right?
We're in a petri dish ofpeople.
Everybody got their differentbeliefs, but the Christians have
a voice, and it's representedby believers when they when they
vote, right?
And and they have differentagendas and so on and so forth,
right?
And so uh one of the big ones,obviously, is like abortion.
(10:58):
Like, hey, God hates abortion,you know, and so we want to vote
for a president that is goingto ban abortion, right?
And it and it stops there.
Like I've never seen a platformthat we want to ban
pornography, that we want to banum sex trafficking, like it's
(11:20):
you know, because we say it'sfree speech.
Well, it think about thatthough, like it's free speech.
Tunisha (11:25):
It goes back to what I said earlier.
Why do Yeshua sit with sinners?
Right?
And then why then did he alsosay correct sin?
So here's here's what I like tosay.
We have to bring be the lightto a dark world, right?
That's that's inevitable.
We have to be the light, right?
But that doesn't mean the darkworld has already received and
accepted the light.
Truth.
Okay.
So then I had to sit with thesinner, right?
(11:47):
I have to be able to be amongstthe sinners in this world.
Paul says we don't deal withthe matters outside the church,
right?
And we deal so when I'm talkingabout calling evil, you know,
good, evil, and evil good, orwhen I'm talking about what's
happening here, woe to thesepeople who are doing these
things, I am talking about thepeople who say they are a part
of this body, same way he wasdealing with people who are part
(12:07):
of this body when he dealt withsin.
So what you're talking about,you know, and you're like, man,
we're not even hitting the levelof the other sin.
Well, that's that's becauseit's a pick-choose society,
right?
It's like we're not gonna hitthe level of those things
because those things aren't asimportant.
It's not until something elsegets important enough that we
say, okay, now that.
See, here's the fun the funfact: nobody likes woke, right?
(12:31):
But then we get woke about thethings that we say are unblick
unbiblical and political.
Keith (12:37):
Yeah.
Tunisha (12:38):
It's it it doesn't make sense because you're being just
as woke as the people you sayare woke.
But just on the other end ofthe spectrum.
Just on the other end of thespectrum.
It's always existed.
Keith (12:47):
Yeah.
Tunisha (12:48):
Okay?
Now, the thing is, because weget the platform to say because
it exists, we want to eliminateit, then we're all concerned
about it.
My question is, where were youwhen you didn't have the
platform?
When you when you when you didnot have that place, were you
going into the dark places?
Yeah.
Were you going into those areaswhere these people are and
(13:09):
dealing with those things?
Truth.
You know, are you dealing withyour children when they watch
what they watch on TV?
Are you dealing like, don't tryto sit there and say, oh, this
is bad, this is bad, and thenmiss the thing that is bad
because one of two things ishappening.
It could be hypocritical, youcould just be doing the thing.
Why would we want to out that?
Because if we out that, then wecan't have that, you know.
Keith (13:30):
And that's and that's where I was tying into, right?
So the evangelicals that I'mcalling out, right?
Meaning voting believers.
We have to then ask ourselvesthose questions, right?
But then what do we say when itcomes to free speech?
We want to protect the abilityto say what we want and do what
we want, but then, like again,beginning by pulling at
(13:54):
transgression with a thread.
Because in free speech, I'msaying I can say whatever I want
and ain't nothing you can doabout it.
That had no role.
Tunisha (14:03):
I got other people who are gonna support me during this
time because the platform isthe party for the platform.
Keith (14:09):
Right.
And so what ends up happeningis the hypocrisy comes out.
Because in in the duality,right, of free speech flesh,
Holy Spirit have your way, youmight get Holy Spirit one day
and Keith the next day.
And that go that's that canlook real messed up real quick.
(14:30):
Because what ends up happeningis, right, I can say, you know,
I'm I'm anti-this, but whilelistening to, you know, some
gangster rap.
Or I believe.
You're epileptic then.
Yeah, like I have this thing.
Tunisha (14:44):
You the one that Jesus had to cast out because the
disciples couldn't cast out.
And then they say, Why youcouldn't cast that person out?
And then he says, They thattype go out by prayer and
fasting.
Yes.
Oh, you that person.
Keith (14:55):
Yes.
Tunisha (14:56):
Okay.
Keith (14:56):
And that's what happens when I start off with the
thread.
Because then that same threadby the end, right?
He says, by the end, you'redragging sin along as if it was
with a cart rope.
A cart versus so a rope and athread, we can already do the
parallel between what one lookslike and the other.
But the cart thread, the cartrope is much thicker and able to
(15:20):
pull thousands and thousands ofpounds, so that that allegory,
right, of that, you know,imagery that he paints in this
word is showing you that itstarts as small as just things
like freedom of speech, thefreedom to be an American
citizen, but while alsomaintaining kingdomship in the
Lord, as being an ambassador inChrist while also, you know,
(15:44):
having that duality.
And and I think to your point,being in this world, because we
have to we have to live here,right?
Tunisha (15:52):
Because he continued to say, I basically he said, Paul
said, I'd be a hermit if Iwasn't in the world.
Like I'd literally, to avoidthe world outside of the church,
I'd had to become a hermit.
I would literally have to shutmyself off from all things that
were sinful.
Keith (16:07):
And that wouldn't be beneficial either, right?
Tunisha (16:09):
Because then you can't be the light.
Keith (16:10):
So you have the dilemma of being in this world, but not
of it, but having to deal withit without having a dualistic
nature of being flesh and spiritand having contradictions in
your life and your speech andhow you do things.
And so, yeah, that's thereality.
So when I start at the top fromthe macro, evangelical voters,
(16:32):
believers who are putting peoplein office, it should be spirit
all the time.
Even when you're voting, evenwhen you're saying, you know,
when you're judging thecharacter of a man and you know
that they're just trying to viefor your vote, is just like, no,
is this individual really aboutthat?
Tunisha (16:48):
They're just human too.
I think that's the our per ourtrust is in the Lord, it's not
in the person in front of me.
That person in front of me mayserve me good, may serve me a
great place.
Like, and I think that's whatwe need to see it as.
Like if if if the if thepolitician is like, hey, I'm pro
something that's biblical,right?
Then we see it as anopportunity.
We don't see it as, oh yes,they support everything about
(17:11):
me.
You know, and I think that isbecause I always tell Keith, I
said, you know, when when wealways say, oh, you know, you
missionaries that go spread thegospel all the time, like, oh,
they go to places that spreadthe gospel all the time.
And this and I say to myself,why is it so much different
here?
And then somebody will say,Well, you have assigned people
for that.
Maybe that evangelical nation,or you know, you have, you know,
(17:31):
but then it's just like, nah, Idon't think that's it.
I don't think that's it.
I think the same fear that's inthe other side of the world is
the same fear that's on thisside of the world.
But because we compromise andbecause we do have these feels,
we're just like, well, because Idon't want them to be upset
with me.
I'm afraid to tell that personwho he is because they might
respond a certain way becauseyou know, the the law is for
(17:54):
them right now.
Yeah, you know, or the law isso against them right now that
they're gonna think that I'mhating, you know, and it's just
like that is a fear.
Yeah, it it is.
Keith (18:02):
It's um and you don't want to you don't want to be a
uh social outcast, yeah.
Tunisha (18:06):
And or you don't want to stir somebody up, right?
Like even like if you look atsomeone and and the first thing
you notice about that person isokay, they're this, right?
Because you're judging theiroutside appearance for whatever
reason you're doing that.
More than likely, unless you'relike a bigot, like you're just
trying to be a type of person,you're not gonna say anything.
Yeah, you know, you're notgonna even, you know, deal with
that person, right?
And you're just gonna say,well, that's because I just know
(18:29):
they the type.
They're the type that's gonnaget upset.
You is the type.
At one point, you too were thetype.
At one point, you were theperson that somebody looked at
and said you might just getupset if they tell you about
him.
You know, and whether that'sbecause your parents put you in
the system or church, or whetherthat's because somewhere by the
line, they either way, somehowGod reached your type.
(18:49):
Just gonna say that.
All of us were that at onepoint, right?
That's true.
But somewhere along the line,we don't realize why there was
so much scripture about fear, somuch scripture about why we
should not fear, so muchscripture about why we need to
be courageous, so much scriptureabout scripture about like all
the things that we had toperfect love cast out here.
(19:10):
Like the Lord had told me thatso many times today.
Like, all those things that wehad to understand that we cannot
comprehend why we were toldthat so many times.
And I'm not gonna be the personthat's gonna go through the
Bible and tell you how manytimes that word was spoken, um,
because that's irrelevant.
You've heard it enough.
Um, the point I'm making is whydid we hear it so much?
Maybe because there was gonnabe a place where we were so
(19:32):
delusional that we thought thatwe weren't afraid, we were just
being nice, we were just beingkind.
Keith (19:36):
There it is, you know, and that and that right there, I
mean, it's I want to talk aboutthe fear aspect, but I want to
talk about that latter portionbecause it ties into to this
whole the the piece, right?
Because not to not tosidetrack, going into Mark
chapter 7, verse 8, it says, Youdepart from God's command and
(19:59):
hold on to human tradition.
Indeed, he said to them, Youhave made a fine art of
departing from God's command inorder to keep your tradition.
Now, granted, sort of out ofcontext, but to this point, this
is one of those that is this isthat thread again, right?
(20:21):
Like we replace fear with beingnice, being politically
correct, being kosher amongstpeople.
And so we've redefined it.
And so that way fear doesn'thave an effect in us, that word,
we don't we no longer assumethat it's fear.
And so now I'm just keepingwith the tradition being
politically correct.
I can't say stuff like that toto somebody.
(20:43):
I can't call out because thenwhat about me?
Because you know, the word alsosays that if I judge, then if
if I judge you, then I'm gonnabe judged by the same measure,
and then that means I need topraise God if you're in the
spirit, right?
And so at the end of the day,though, we this is that
lukewarmness that's talked aboutin Revelations, but more
(21:03):
importantly, we're allowing itbecause it sounds okay.
Like to say, if you seesomebody in the LGBT community
that you know personally andthey know you're a Christian,
you know they're LGBTQ, y'allnever had a conversation about
Jesus, I said, right?
Like ever.
And so what ends up happeningis because it's I don't want you
(21:24):
to feel like I'm judging you.
Tunisha (21:26):
Or agree to disagree.
Keith (21:28):
Yeah, and and it's like, well, I don't know how to
promote, I don't know how to sayit without love.
And but if y'all are friends,if you're close and if you know
that person, then in love, itcan come out without being
judged.
But the offense taken byYahshua's name is gonna be
there.
Now, can you still be friendsand know someone and be
(21:48):
acquaintance with someone who isin that community?
Absolutely, right?
Because your life is stilllived out.
You can sit with, not can notuh uh condone.
Tunisha (21:58):
You know, and there's a there's a wisdom about it too.
Like I'm not telling y'all gosit down and say Yeshua finally,
right now.
You know, there is a wisdomthat has to be taken lightly.
Like is it's a prayer, it's awisdom.
You might have to sit with thisperson for years and never
speak the name of Yeshua a dayin your life.
Like, we're not always, we'renot, what does the Paul say?
Some plant, some water, that ison the government.
(22:20):
We're not always in the seasonof where growth is.
Yeah.
And I think sometimes we'relike, well, well, Tanisha said
that I got everybody I talk to,I gotta say, Jesus.
I gotta correct it, you know,and I gotta fix them.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, man, draw close tothe spirit and he'll let you
know what to do.
But don't be afraid to drawclose to the spirit and find out
what you're gonna do.
Like, that's the fear we have.
Yeah, we don't wake up in themorning and say, Lord, I'm up
(22:43):
today.
Where do I, what do I need togo and how are you gonna show up
in my day?
Like I was telling Keith, we goto the grocery store looking
for the groceries.
You know, we go, we go to thebookstore looking for books.
Like we're we are not evenaware that God literally being
sovereign was like, I need youto go to the grocery store for
this purpose.
You know, we're so focused onthat one list.
I have a whole list I take withme to the grocery store.
(23:04):
We're so focused on fulfillingthat list.
And there are times where whenI'm noticing something, that
list is very hard to fulfill.
Like, and I guess I'll have tochange the recipe when I get
home.
But either way, I'll miss a fewthings because I'm I'm aware of
someone, you know, and it's notalways because I got to say
Jesus to this person, but thereis a reason why God has us
notice people.
(23:24):
There's a reason why we have tounderstand is it prayer, is it
a word, is it what is it?
Draw on the spirit of God inthat moment.
Like, because if you don't, youwill miss the opportunity to
share in the glory of hiskingdom.
And I think we think that's thefear I say we have.
It's not so much as saying hisname to somebody.
I'm not saying you shouldn't dothat either.
Get again, like it's God's way.
(23:45):
Okay, we had to be obedient,regardless of that.
But the fear we have is to eventest him and taste to see if
he's good.
Because it's like, what if hetells me to say something?
Yeah.
What if he has me pray for thisperson?
What if he he tells me to spendtime with them and and and show
hospitality and bring themhere?
(24:05):
And you know, and it's what ifhe makes me have to be friends
with that person for goodnesssake?
What if I have to dwell withthem?
And we're in this place wherewe're doing all these what is
and our fears are overtaking us.
We're like, no, that's just mebeing wise, and that's just me
trying to make sure I don't addextra stuff to my equation, and
I got so much stuff to do, andthat's not God, you know, like
(24:26):
I'll invite them to church.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And um, yeah, and not sayingyou should not do that, by the
way, but I wouldn't inviteanybody to a church if I don't
believe the pastor is righteither.
Because, you know, there's athere's a testing of the fruit
in everyone.
Yeah.
Um either way, but yes, thething is the we we have a fear.
Keith (24:52):
Yeah, no, and we do.
And it's again, it's it's umyou've been groomed to be this
way since the beginning, right?
Like you were born into sin,you were raised by the world.
Yeah, I mean, it it's it's mything for the season that we're
in because people don't needpeople need to understand, we
all need to get a good grasp onthe fact of how much effort
(25:14):
society has taken in us.
Does that make sense?
Like how much effort the worldhas put into us to being good
citizens in the country or goodcitizens in the world, right?
And it's a lot of effort that'sbeen done to teach us the ways
of manners and good manners andbeing polite and being
politically correct and sayingthe right things at the right
(25:35):
time and all these things, andthen at some point in your life
you come to know Christ, andhe's like, No, I need full
control, and it goes against thevery nature of all the things
you've you have been taught todo your entire life, and so I
just don't want us to to get offtrack and and and and start
(25:56):
missing the facts, like startmissing the fact that the
temperature's cutting up, right?
Like, you could probably lookwithin your church, and and
that's where I'm gonnatransition to next, but you you
can look into your church, youcan look into your life, you can
look into your environmentaround you, and and it's it's a
good time to take stock of thecompromises that we've allowed
(26:19):
in our lives, right?
And start cutting at that rope.
Because I I guarantee you,we're not pulling the thread
anymore.
It's it's a rope now, right?
And so there's a lot of fibersthat need to be cut, and they
can easily be identified and cutoff by the spirit of the Lord.
And that's that's the goalhere.
Tunisha (26:37):
And it begins with the body, it begins with the body.
I think that's the you know,love your neighbor as you love
yourself, right?
Like, okay, great.
What was the first powerfulthing?
Love God with all of my heart,mind, soul, and spirit, right?
Second one's just like what?
Like, my my love of God willpour out to me for the love of
my neighbor.
And he literally said, and evenmore love goes in the body.
(26:58):
Like, where we correct sin,where we edify and encourage and
all these things is in thebody.
Keith (27:03):
Yeah.
Tunisha (27:04):
And I think the reason why we don't even do that,
because now we got, you know,generals in the body who are
like, you can't tell me what todo.
You know, like I mean, I somehere, somehow along the way,
we've forgotten that we are allon the same level.
Like, y'all, y'all, I don'tcare what nobody says.
You are not above nobody in thekingdom of God.
Jesus literally told us thathe's like, we aren't like that.
(27:27):
He said, Gentiles have that,but we're not like that.
And he was talking about Jewsin the moment.
He was talking to the Jews.
Like, like that's not whathappens when you come into the
kingdom, right?
Like, there's an order for howthings have to operate, but it
doesn't mean you takeprecedence.
Right.
Right?
Like the the when Paul talksabout the gifts, and then he
talks about the body, and thenhe talks about the body parts,
(27:48):
and he says, How much moreimportant is this one?
And we need to dress that oneup.
Like, you know, if you're upthere, then humble yourself,
Low, because that's where youneed to be.
You know, and I think the hardpart is we got so many people
say you can't tell me what todo.
You don't know any better.
No, but I know the Lord and Ihave the spirit.
And if the spirit is telling meto tell you something, then you
(28:08):
and you have the same head andthe same spirit is in you, then
you should be able to hear.
It's not always that somebodyis correcting you in the way
that you need the correction,you might just need to hear what
the spirit of the Lord issaying, and you need to take
that to God and fix it.
And you can't tell nobodynothing anymore in the body.
Keith (28:25):
Like you don't let I want to say, because that that
perfect segue, that ties intothe to the church establishment,
right?
Because you got to understand,once it went from you know,
fellowship and family tobusiness and corporation, it has
to follow the corporation rulesin order to make sense.
I'm just saying, like, if ifyou work at a plant, if you work
(28:48):
at a restaurant, if you workedanywhere outside of a church,
you got a boss, you gotmanagers, you got supervisors,
you got employees, and then youhave the customer.
Okay, and and sadly, a lot ofthe churches, the parishioner is
the customer.
And we've come to purchasegrace, and we've come to have a
great experience in thisestablishment called Chuck E.
(29:11):
Cheese.
Okay.
No, it's it is what it is.
And so the customer is now theparishioner because you gotta
think about it.
They're coming to buy a coupleof things from this church
building.
They're coming to buy a checkoff the block that I was att I
attended, that I'm a faithful uhmember of Costco, and that I've
used my little membership cardtoday, and I might get a
(29:32):
discount, uh i.e.
a blessing that might comedown.
I might win a raffle prizetoday at Costco if I show up on
Sunday.
That's the first thing thecustomer is doing.
The second thing the customeris doing is they might need to
purchase individual things forthemselves by way of attendance,
by way of tithe, by way of anextra giving, by way of whatever
(29:52):
the thing might be that thething is offering, right?
But then on the opposite end,because moving beyond the
customer.
Right.
Tunisha (30:00):
And we need to know how many customers we have and how
many customers we're losing.
Keith (30:03):
Oh, we yes.
We got direct.
That's why we're moving intothe to the manager.
Tunisha (30:07):
Disciples.
How many disciples do you haveand how many are you moving?
Keith (30:11):
That's that we're moving, we're transitioning now to the
to the staff, to the managementof Chuck E.
Cheese.
Because that manager has acorporate manager, a district
manager, a national manager,right?
And we need to make sure thatthis Chuck E.
Cheese is doing well, otherwisewe might need to shut it down.
Okay.
But anyway, they have to ensurethat the customer is being met.
(30:33):
And so if I'm the supervisor orthe boss or whatever the case
may be, I need to see how manyloyalty members I got under my
name, right?
And it and it's sad, but if itdoesn't work that way, I
guarantee you you would feelreal uncomfortable at your
church.
If you went to your normalchurch tomorrow on Sunday and
literally pulled in there and itwas just like one big family
(30:54):
experience, there was not thishuge like entertainment setup
and so on and so on, it wouldfeel different to you.
But it's by design, right?
And and the thread that thebody pulled was the 501c.
The thread that we pulled wassaying this is tax deductible.
This is a nonprofitorganization.
(31:16):
You kill me, you hear me?
And then it turns into a ropebecause now you have staff
members, now you have multiplepastors, and they all have
positions.
The customer doesn't go andtalk to the manager, to the
district manager of Chuck E.
Cheese.
The customer can't go to Costcotoday and say, Let me speak to
the general manager of thisestablishment.
Tunisha (31:37):
You gotta see him in passing when he's checking on
his store.
Yeah, maybe no, I'm saying,like, that's kind of how you
encounter that when he might bein there just checking on his
store today and greet you, andyou're like, Oh, who is you?
Oh, you up, okay.
Keith (31:49):
And even then I got some problems.
Tunisha (31:51):
Well, that's let me hear.
Okay, I don't'm gonna deal withthem.
Keith (31:53):
Yes, that's exactly where I was about to go.
It's like you you address a GMat Costco, Walmart, wherever,
pick a store, and you and you'retelling them, like, hey, you
know, these aisles are kind ofdirty, and y'all never have milk
for real.
He's gonna say, All right,thank you.
Tunisha (32:07):
And if it's not a pressing matter, he may never
get to the people who need todeal with it either.
And that's the focum of theproblem.
So we're not against the churchbuilding.
I I hate for people to thinkthat.
Um, we are not against thechurch building.
What we are against is the factthat you guys do know, and I'm
gonna just go ahead and say thisbecause I need to say this.
This is why I okay, this is Ithink this is why I got tearied
(32:31):
earlier because it is botheringme.
You do know we are in the last,right?
Like, if y'all aren't hearingthat, if y'all aren't saying
that, and not for fun and funeither, like, because I know
we've been, oh, we've beensaying that for years, you know,
not for play play, like, forreal.
And we have a lot of lot ofsheep in wolves' clothing in
those pool pits today.
We got many of them who areabout to come in, who are
(32:54):
getting ready to be to to getwhat's the word when you come, I
don't know.
That is like these littleordination things.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, you know, we got me stillcoming who are coming in, um
probably as innocent as all getout about it, right?
But about to quickly be takenover because you got that that
thing that's above them that'salready gonna take over how they
(33:14):
operate.
Yeah, you know, and the issuethat we have is seeing it.
It's seeing it.
Like, and I think that'ssomething that you have to
understand.
Yeshua saw it.
Yeah like when he was dealingwith the Pharisees, he saw it.
Like when Paul saw it, Petersaw it.
Yeah, I'm I could kiss.
John was talking about thedaggone anti-Christ spirit, the
(33:36):
anti-Messiah spirit alreadythere.
Like, and we're talking aboutthis was 2,000 plus years ago.
Yeah, if it was already there2,000 plus years ago, why do you
not notice that it's already inyour churches?
Okay, and so here we are, we'relike, oh that that can't be us.
We're protected.
(33:57):
Okay, you're protected, okay?
I understand what you'resaying, but you know, you're
only protected by the the by therelationship relationship you
have with Christ.
And I and I don't get whypeople are like, well, the
protection is the fact that Isaid I believe in him.
Keith (34:12):
That's the protection, you know, and so then you didn't
get the favorite verse, youknow, the the the Satan, the
demons believe and they tremble,they they acknowledge.
Tunisha (34:23):
I mean, we go clearly to the part when Jesus is
talking about the end days, andhe clearly says, to the place
that even the elect could bedeceived, you know, but we'll
shorten those days so that don'thappen.
So if if he's saying even theelect can be deceived, and this
is not them, well, this isn'tonce saved, always saved
preaching.
That's the Calvinist thing.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
(34:44):
You need to understand what theelect is.
You go to your Bible, read it,pay attention, read it again.
Even they will be deceived.
And if they're deceived, or ifthey can be deceived, why do you
not think the delusion isstrong?
Yeah, why do you not think thedelusion is strong?
And for those of you who arecalling on the God of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob and saying thathe is not the father of Israel,
y'all are deluded.
(35:05):
Yes.
Is that the word?
Deluded?
I'm saying it wrong.
I don't care.
Y'all know what I mean.
Keith (35:10):
I say confused.
Tunisha (35:11):
Yeah, y'all, y'all like y'all are taking over.
See, I can't even say the rightword for the hypocrisy.
Like, it's like it's bad.
Because y'all are like, no,that don't even matter no more.
Okay, see, that's what we callthe anti-Messiah spirit.
Keith (35:22):
Like, because you better be gone into anti-Semitism, now
you're going into replacement.
Tunisha (35:27):
And someone said it, Messiah came from a Jewish womb.
Keith (35:32):
Yeah.
Tunisha (35:33):
Like that, you gotta pay attention to what you're
saying.
Now, am I telling you to beJewish?
Gosh, no.
But I am telling you that youare grafted into a Jewish
society of people, okay?
And I'm not talking about theway you say it, okay?
You are grafted into an olivetree, okay?
You're grafted into a vine.
Okay, and so the root thatsupports you is that.
And so when we get into thatplace of like, what are you
(35:55):
talking about?
That's done, that's over.
You know, I got I got somethings to say about that, but I
won't put that here because thatwould take too long.
You know, it's it's it's aboutunderstanding where it came from
and literally appreciating it.
Yeah, okay, literallyappreciating it, and then it
might take you away from some ofthe stuff you do because you
realize it don't fit into themode of what you do.
Keith (36:16):
Yeah, that tradition.
Yeah, right.
And so transitioning into theparishioner.
I won't call you a customer,I'll call you a believer to the
believer.
So, you know, when you go macroall the way down, because I can
spend hours on evangelicals atthe church, but this is just now
us.
(36:36):
And what you just said was wasvery, very powerful because it
it ties back into the personalrelationship that we had with
the Messiah.
Like, forget the rest.
Forget the the the Chuck E.
Cheese church that you orCostco church that you had.
Forget who's in office, mayorall the way up to presidency.
Let's talk about our owninternal belief, our own
(37:00):
internal um time that we spendreading the word, our own
internal time that we spend inprayer, combating the fear that
we have to be obedient to God.
Forget all of that.
The rope we have to now cut isbecoming complacent, right?
Becoming complacent in our walkfor the sake of just pure
(37:23):
belief, for the sake of the factthat we go to the Costco on
Sunday, for the sake of for thesake of the fact that we have
somebody in office that you knowis pro-Christian to a point.
Um at the end of the day, we'regonna be held accountable for
our own actions, right?
Like me and you used to talkabout this many years ago, um,
(37:45):
back when I was a super dirtbag, but it's just like I can't
go to heaven and say, Jesus, Icheated on my wife because you
know she didn't do X, Y, and Z,and I I did this and I did that,
and I killed this person, and Istole this, and I was addicted
to these things because of mylife circumstances, and so
that's why I had he's gonnanobody, I'm not gonna be able to
(38:08):
pull anybody up there and say,This is why I did it.
It's just gonna be me and him.
And then at the end of the day,he gets to say to me, either
depart because I never knew you,and he might go down the litany
of the reasons how that doesn'tmake sense, or maybe I will be
spending eternity in hell comingto a realization of how none of
(38:29):
that stuff made sense.
I thought I was gonna get awaywith that.
Tunisha (38:32):
This might not even tie in, but I had to cut in because
I had a Bible study with thekids this morning, and this was
you were talking about, youknow, you're gonna be judged for
your own thing.
And we were in uh Matthew 7today, and Jesus was talking
about uh, you're gonna say, youcast this out of my name, you
prophesied in my name, you know,you did miracles in my name.
And I'm gonna say, Depart fromme, I never knew you.
(38:53):
And so me and my daughter werejust joking back and forth, back
and forth, you know, and I waslike, Well, you know,
interesting enough, and I'm I'mnot really good with words when
I'm talking in the middle oftalking.
So I was like, you know, youcan't have like that
relationship with God thatsurface, right?
And then I go, you can't have aplatonic relationship with God.
And she goes, and she goes,Mom, platonic relationship means
(39:14):
like you're this, but you'renot having and I was like, Oh
yeah, I knew that.
And then I was like, I didn'tmean to say that.
No, wait, I didn't mean to saythis.
I said, But you have to beintimate with God.
Yeah, I said, because if you'renot, you won't be at the fruit
of the spirit.
Keith (39:30):
Yes.
Tunisha (39:31):
And I was like, that was the right word.
I just thought it was wrongbecause of what I said, and I
was like, oh, you're right.
And then when she said it, Isaid it, and I was like, and she
just she laughs, she givesthem, and then I'm laughing, oh
man, that was wrong.
I was like, no, it was right.
Like you have to, because whathe was saying was, depart from
me, I never knew.
And this is when we startedgoing.
I said it said, knew you.
(39:52):
I said, but I said, what doesit say in Genesis when Adam and
Eve knew each other knew eachother?
I said, you have to be intimateto bear the fruit.
Jesus says literally in John15, you know, like I am divine,
you are the branch.
Apart from me, you can bear nofruits.
You can do nothing.
Okay, you can't you have to beintimate, you have to have this
(40:14):
close relationship with himoutside of someone over you
telling him, telling you abouthim.
Keith (40:18):
Yeah.
Tunisha (40:19):
That I mean, that's good and all.
It's nice to have teachers, butwe don't know if they're
teaching truth.
Right.
You know, like Paul said, it'llall be tested.
Keith (40:26):
Yeah.
Tunisha (40:26):
You know, and we have it's nice to have, you know,
people who can share theirknowledge.
But let me tell you something,people got lots of knowledge, no
wisdom now.
Like, if you don't have wisdomwith the knowledge, you might
just be very intellectual.
And so the thing is, it's likewe don't get the understanding
of God without being intimatewith God.
Keith (40:46):
Yeah.
Tunisha (40:46):
You know, I don't know.
Sorry, you said that and Ididn't wait.
Keith (40:49):
No, I'm glad, I'm glad because as you were saying it,
because I I think I asked youabout Bible study, but you
didn't go there with it today.
So I'm not sure.
Tunisha (40:56):
Because I was gonna break it.
I didn't know it.
But if you said, well, we had afunny today.
Keith (41:02):
No, but that was that's so accurate, right?
And I think to you all, thelistener, right, because that
hit, do you have a Bhutanicrelationship with the Lord
expecting, you know, inheritancelike a wife or or a husband?
Do you do you have afriendship?
Are you in the friend zone withJesus?
(41:22):
You know, and forever friendzone, because you never want to
cross that that gap, right?
And like you put yourselfthere.
Jesus is not the one, you puthim in the friend zone by the
way of your actions and by theway of of of assuming the
tradition of man and taking thatmore importantly than you did
(41:44):
God's promise.
You know, and so it's not Ithink the hardest, the hardest
reality that we have to face,right?
And this is just a hundred nofluff.
If you're not reading, ifyou're not praying, if you're
not doing this by yourself ofyour own fruition, but that's
outside of the church, outsideof a friend, then you are
lacking in your relationshipwith the Lord.
Tunisha (42:05):
And then you are over the person who's not reading and
not praying, and you're nottelling them they should be
doing other things, and you'renot telling them they should be
repenting, you're not tellingthem they should be changing
their life and doing the rightthing to show that the holiness
is in them and not calling themto a place of holiness, you too
are doing your wrong.
Keith (42:20):
Yes.
You too.
And so wake up, be woke for theLord for real, for real, in the
in the right way, I guess.
I don't know.
I I'm I'm not good with thewoke.
Tunisha (42:30):
I don't even know what it means for real.
Keith (42:31):
But either way, no, we need to we do really do need to
to get it together because asyou mentioned earlier, we're in
a season right now towards theend, and it is easy to be
deceived, it's easy to becomfortable with the traditions
that we have because it feelsgood, because it sounds good, it
(42:52):
sounds nice, it sounds likesomething Jesus would do, but
it's just that 99% is importantbecause like I tell my children
all the time, I I teach youthese things, I tell you to do
these things because you need tobe aware.
Tunisha (43:06):
Like you need to be aware of false teachers, you
need to be aware of falseprophets, you need to be aware
of false anything that's outthere.
Um, in their time, there werefalse apostles.
I won't give you the rest ofwhy I say it like that.
The point I make it is you needto be aware and know it for
yourself because even Yeshuasaid, know them by their fruits,
know them by their love.
You ain't testing miracles,doc.
No, yeah, you're not texting,you're not testing miracles.
(43:28):
I it's so many people, well,this is what they're doing, and
this is what they do, and thenlook at their life.
They have this.
It's like you're testing thesetangible things, these miracles,
and my like my daughter saidthis morning when we were
talking about, you know, justhaving things and just like you
know, having and she was like,Well, she I can't even remember
how she said it, but she waslike, They're making people
underneath them want the things,and I was like, See, how are
(43:50):
you so young and so wise?
Like, not that she is, it wasjust she was saying some great
stuff this morning, and I waslike, Yes, yeah, yes, like you
you're getting to these placeswhere you see these people over
you, and they have no problemyoking you back into bondage.
Keith (44:04):
Yeah, I was gonna go on first Corinthians or Galatians
5, but go explore the word foryourself because that was the
cheat code.
Go look in 1 Corinthians andGalatians 5 and and see kind of
what we're talking about in thisin this thought process.
But we've given you ablueprint, things to start
looking for.
If anything, if you made itthis far in the video, uh as
(44:26):
we're about to conclude, youknow, like, share, subscribe,
whatever the thing might be.
But in this blueprint, startbeing on the lookout, right?
And maybe that's the thing,right?
Because when you get socomplacent with your
surroundings, you no longerstart to like realize things are
off.
Ask the Lord to literally openyour eyes so that you can see
the you said woke, but let's useit properly, the way Jesus uses
(44:49):
it.
Wake up.
Tunisha (44:50):
He says, Stay awake, be alert, be mindful.
Keith (44:55):
Arise, old sleeper in the old testament.
Tunisha (44:57):
Lest you be deceived, is what he says.
Yes, lest you be deceived.
That's the type of wake youneed to be.
Keith (45:03):
Yes.
Tunisha (45:03):
Like that let's wake up like day, okay?
That's the wake.
Let's that's woke for us.
Keith (45:08):
Yes, there we go.
Tunisha (45:09):
Okay.
Keith (45:09):
All right.
Well, until next time, y'all beblessed.
Y'all have a great andwonderful week, and we love
y'all.
See ya.
Good morning, good evening, good afternoon,
whatever time it is that you aretuning into the podcast.
Today is a wonderful day thatthe Lord has made.
Let us be glad and rejoice init.
Um, hope y'all had uh goodholidays.
If you celebrate the holidaysor whatever, had a good time to
meet with your families andfriends and all that jazz.
And um today, um, yeah, let'sget back to the to the real meat
(00:43):
of things.
Um, and so we can extend extendthat holiday meat into some
word and uh let it let it digestand hit our everything that it
needs to hit.
I know that was lame, right?
Super lame.
Anyway, um, but no, seriouslythough.
I wanted to talk about what?
Yeah, I can say that with aclean, straight face and just
keep it pushing because youknow, if you caught it, you
(01:05):
caught it.
If you didn't, you didn't.
But anyway, no, I wanted totalk about um there's this old
anecdotal statement, right?
And it's it's like when you howto cook a frog, you know, you
put a boiling, you don't put afrog in boiling water because it
will just jump straight out,right?
And the premise behind that um,you know, antidote or recipe.
Tunisha (01:26):
You're gonna slowly turn up the temperature to
convince the frog to staying in.
Keith (01:30):
Right.
Yeah, you can put it in thereand it can be cold, and it's
just like it's chilling, and asit gets hotter and hotter and
hotter, eventually, you know,you got frog leaks, which by the
hate, by the way, I do not likefrog licks, but to the point of
the analogy, the the idea isthat it does not realize that
it's boiling until it's toolate.
And I feel like um, you know,in our modern culture, right,
(01:54):
we've gotten to this place towhere the water is is the
temperature is rising, right?
And believe it or not, wealready might be at the point
prior to boiling.
Just some of us are asleep inthe in the hot water right now.
But um, but no, seriously, Ifeel like in our culture we've
we've gone so far from the wordand kind of what it talks about,
(02:19):
and even you know, havingconversation with random people
about God and Israel and justbasic concepts, you know, the
the opinions vary so wide on thespectrum.
Like, even if we pick a topiclike righteousness or holiness
or you know Jesus Christ andYeshua and what it all means,
(02:39):
the church and itsestablishment.
And and what I think ishappening, right, is that over
time we've allowed small sin toenter into the body, small
concepts, right, under thepremise, under the guise of it
being good, right?
Under the guise of it being agood idea, and you know, like if
(03:00):
you go back to the 90s, thewhat would Jesus do, you know,
wristband that you would have.
And it was just like, yeah,Jesus, he would do that, you
know, and that sounds good.
And so we allow it in, and thennext thing you know, you know,
we're we're in this space towhere the church literally looks
like any other business in theworld.
(03:21):
You know, um, the message is ismore of a motivational life
coaching methodology than it isabout holiness and righteousness
and and like being heldaccountable, you know, the basic
things that are in the word.
And I wanted to start off inIsaiah.
Tunisha (03:38):
Can I just I know I don't even know where you're
going yet.
I just fine.
You said something about peopledoing things because it was
good.
Yeah, right?
And the verse that came to me,because I heard it a few days
ago when I was listening tosomething, but the verse that
came to me was Isaiah 54, 17,and everybody knows the verse,
right?
Keith (03:55):
This is about to get real like.
Tunisha (03:57):
And it says, because y'all know it because y'all use
it for a whole bunch of reasons,and you know, and obviously we
use it because we should beusing it, but I want to read
this verse, but I want to honein on something that it says.
It says, No what weapon formedagainst you shall prosper, and
every tongue which rises againstyou in judgment you shall
condemn.
This is the heritage of theservants of the Lord, and their
(04:19):
righteousness is from me, saysthe Lord.
The the part that is verypowerful, and I like to use
verses that we often use all thetime.
Yeah, that most of the time youdon't have to say, Where'd you
find that at?
You've heard it so many times.
Keith (04:33):
T-shirts everywhere.
Yeah, right?
Tunisha (04:35):
You've heard it so many times, or people are quoting it
all the time.
And I'm the one who likes tosay a verse, like I'll quote
John 3.16.
I say, Did you read the nextpart?
Yeah.
Um, I like to quote the verse,but then say, Did you really
listen to what it said?
The very end of it says thatthe heritage of the servants of
the Lord and their righteousnessis from who?
Me.
That was God.
Their righteousness is from me.
(04:55):
We can't compare ourrighteousness to the world's
righteousness.
We can't say what I'm doing isis in right standing with what
the world says.
Yeah.
No, we have to say what I'mdoing is in right standing with
what God says.
Keith (05:06):
Yes.
Tunisha (05:07):
And I think when you said that, because I know we're
about to go wherever we'regoing, but I was like, let's
just make sure that this isclear before we go forward.
Keith (05:14):
I love that you bring that up because you know, if if
y'all don't know this about us,um, there's no pregame, there's
no like this is what we're gonnatalk about, and we're gonna do
this thing.
I was about to go somewhere atleast.
No, it's beautiful becauseguess where I'm at?
I'm in Isaiah chapter 5.
All right, and we're gonna gothrough verse 18 down into 20.
(05:35):
It says, Woe to those who beginby pulling a tra at
transgression with a thread, butend by dragging sin along as if
with a cart rope.
They say we want God to speedup his work, to hurry it along
so we can see it.
We want the Holy One ofIsrael's plan to come true right
now so we can be sure of it.
(05:55):
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil, who change
darkness into light and lightinto darkness, who change bitter
into sweet and sweet intobitter.
Woe to those seeing themselvesas wise, esteeming themselves as
clever.
I didn't I didn't tell you Iwas in Isaiah first.
Tunisha (06:14):
I don't know why, but that slip brought tears to my
eyes hearing it.
Um we're seeing in the worldtoday is that is that like it's
y'all don't know how many peoplewe have spoken to over the
months, and I wouldn't want tosay years, but I'm gonna just
use months because recent ismore important, right, than the
(06:35):
years, because then we say,well, in years we can grow.
But over the months, over themost recent times, that are
being taken away from theauthenticity of this word, from
the truth of this word, andliterally doing just this,
literally like it's alreadyhere, you know, it's already
happened.
We're ready, it's it's this isexactly what we're supposed to
(06:57):
be doing.
This is exactly what this isabout, or it's not about that,
it's about this, you know, anddon't get me started on
replacement theology, but it'sjust like it's it's so
concerning for me because Ithink if you don't, if you don't
truly love God, you don't lovepeople.
Keith (07:17):
Right, that's true.
Tunisha (07:18):
And I think a lot of people say, well, I love, you
know, and it's just like goingback to his righteousness is
his, so is his love.
And it's like a lot of a lot ofus are walking around like, oh,
I love him, I love this person,I love this person.
This is why I'm here, you know,literally calling evil good,
literally saying it's okay thatyou sin like that.
Jesus did not compromise withsin.
Keith (07:37):
Yeah, that is true.
Tunisha (07:38):
Like Yeshua had no place for sin.
Well, Nisha, he sat with thesinners.
You you hear that?
He did.
But did he sin?
Keith (07:47):
Yeah, did he agree with what we're doing is is great and
fine and dead.
Tunisha (07:52):
That that is not we see Jesus coming to a dark world
and go into the per the placesthat people had need of him,
which are people gonna usuallybe in their sin.
Yeah, you know, but you neversaw him say, Oh, well, it's
okay.
I got it's all right.
He if that were the case, hesaid, if I did not speak, then
they would not have sinned.
Keith (08:13):
Yeah.
Tunisha (08:14):
But because I speak, they have sinned.
Okay, if if that's the sameYeshua that said that in the
word, then that's the sameYeshua that's saying that today
there was no compromise.
Yeah, it was because he spoke.
It is it's the same reason whywe're supposed to give the
gospel, it's the same reason whywe're supposed to tell the
truth about God's love and hissalvation.
(08:34):
It's because of those thingsthat now they are clearly
evident that they have sinned.
Yeah, and they have need ofhim.
Keith (08:41):
Yeah.
And and this is what the mainpoint of the conversation today
is all about, right?
Like pointing it out, right?
Because if if nobody's sayingit and everybody's just going
with the motions, then you know,that's that's on me.
That's on you.
That's on every believer thatis accepted Yeshua the Messiah
(09:02):
as Lord and Savior over theirlife.
If they're not going and beingobedient to the Holy Spirit and
calling things out and saying itlike it is by way of the Holy
Spirit, the blood is on ourhands too.
We're guilty of seeing but notcorrecting, seeing but not
holding accountable, and justyou know, and so in verse 18,
(09:24):
again, it just says, Woe tothose who begin by pulling at
transgression with a thread.
I just want to pause therebecause it ties into that the
the frog in the water conceptagain.
You know, when we when we lookout amongst our own lives, um
amongst the the church, amongstum our country, the
(09:45):
transgression at a at a thread.
It's it's interesting to me thethings that we fight for and
the things that we don't asbelievers, right?
Like, and and I'm gonna go, I'mgonna start here, but then I'm
gonna work our way all the wayfrom you know out to in.
Tunisha (10:00):
Don't hit them too hard though, because we don't need
to explain why you hit hard.
Keith (10:03):
So Okay.
So I'll use a topic like, youknow, um, we have this base
called evangelicals, right?
Every time there's an electoralelectoral time in our country,
it's you have this base ofevangelicals.
Evangelicals means those thatbelieve in Jesus Christ and and
they're voting based off ofhaving that voice heard.
Tunisha (10:26):
I just said don't hit them hard, and you went right to
the heart.
Keith (10:28):
Because you got to.
Like I'm I just said literally.
Tunisha (10:32):
I already knew you were gonna say it.
I knew you were gonna hear it.
Go ahead.
Keith (10:36):
So you have evangelicals, right?
And ultimately, the the wholepurpose, right?
We're in a petri dish ofpeople.
Everybody got their differentbeliefs, but the Christians have
a voice, and it's representedby believers when they when they
vote, right?
And and they have differentagendas and so on and so forth,
right?
And so uh one of the big ones,obviously, is like abortion.
(10:58):
Like, hey, God hates abortion,you know, and so we want to vote
for a president that is goingto ban abortion, right?
And it and it stops there.
Like I've never seen a platformthat we want to ban
pornography, that we want to banum sex trafficking, like it's
(11:20):
you know, because we say it'sfree speech.
Well, it think about thatthough, like it's free speech.
Tunisha (11:25):
It goes back to what I said earlier.
Why do Yeshua sit with sinners?
Right?
And then why then did he alsosay correct sin?
So here's here's what I like tosay.
We have to bring be the lightto a dark world, right?
That's that's inevitable.
We have to be the light, right?
But that doesn't mean the darkworld has already received and
accepted the light.
Truth.
Okay.
So then I had to sit with thesinner, right?
(11:47):
I have to be able to be amongstthe sinners in this world.
Paul says we don't deal withthe matters outside the church,
right?
And we deal so when I'm talkingabout calling evil, you know,
good, evil, and evil good, orwhen I'm talking about what's
happening here, woe to thesepeople who are doing these
things, I am talking about thepeople who say they are a part
of this body, same way he wasdealing with people who are part
(12:07):
of this body when he dealt withsin.
So what you're talking about,you know, and you're like, man,
we're not even hitting the levelof the other sin.
Well, that's that's becauseit's a pick-choose society,
right?
It's like we're not gonna hitthe level of those things
because those things aren't asimportant.
It's not until something elsegets important enough that we
say, okay, now that.
See, here's the fun the funfact: nobody likes woke, right?
(12:31):
But then we get woke about thethings that we say are unblick
unbiblical and political.
Keith (12:37):
Yeah.
Tunisha (12:38):
It's it it doesn't make sense because you're being just
as woke as the people you sayare woke.
But just on the other end ofthe spectrum.
Just on the other end of thespectrum.
It's always existed.
Keith (12:47):
Yeah.
Tunisha (12:48):
Okay?
Now, the thing is, because weget the platform to say because
it exists, we want to eliminateit, then we're all concerned
about it.
My question is, where were youwhen you didn't have the
platform?
When you when you when you didnot have that place, were you
going into the dark places?
Yeah.
Were you going into those areaswhere these people are and
(13:09):
dealing with those things?
Truth.
You know, are you dealing withyour children when they watch
what they watch on TV?
Are you dealing like, don't tryto sit there and say, oh, this
is bad, this is bad, and thenmiss the thing that is bad
because one of two things ishappening.
It could be hypocritical, youcould just be doing the thing.
Why would we want to out that?
Because if we out that, then wecan't have that, you know.
Keith (13:30):
And that's and that's where I was tying into, right?
So the evangelicals that I'mcalling out, right?
Meaning voting believers.
We have to then ask ourselvesthose questions, right?
But then what do we say when itcomes to free speech?
We want to protect the abilityto say what we want and do what
we want, but then, like again,beginning by pulling at
(13:54):
transgression with a thread.
Because in free speech, I'msaying I can say whatever I want
and ain't nothing you can doabout it.
That had no role.
Tunisha (14:03):
I got other people who are gonna support me during this
time because the platform isthe party for the platform.
Keith (14:09):
Right.
And so what ends up happeningis the hypocrisy comes out.
Because in in the duality,right, of free speech flesh,
Holy Spirit have your way, youmight get Holy Spirit one day
and Keith the next day.
And that go that's that canlook real messed up real quick.
(14:30):
Because what ends up happeningis, right, I can say, you know,
I'm I'm anti-this, but whilelistening to, you know, some
gangster rap.
Or I believe.
You're epileptic then.
Yeah, like I have this thing.
Tunisha (14:44):
You the one that Jesus had to cast out because the
disciples couldn't cast out.
And then they say, Why youcouldn't cast that person out?
And then he says, They thattype go out by prayer and
fasting.
Yes.
Oh, you that person.
Keith (14:55):
Yes.
Tunisha (14:56):
Okay.
Keith (14:56):
And that's what happens when I start off with the
thread.
Because then that same threadby the end, right?
He says, by the end, you'redragging sin along as if it was
with a cart rope.
A cart versus so a rope and athread, we can already do the
parallel between what one lookslike and the other.
But the cart thread, the cartrope is much thicker and able to
(15:20):
pull thousands and thousands ofpounds, so that that allegory,
right, of that, you know,imagery that he paints in this
word is showing you that itstarts as small as just things
like freedom of speech, thefreedom to be an American
citizen, but while alsomaintaining kingdomship in the
Lord, as being an ambassador inChrist while also, you know,
(15:44):
having that duality.
And and I think to your point,being in this world, because we
have to we have to live here,right?
Tunisha (15:52):
Because he continued to say, I basically he said, Paul
said, I'd be a hermit if Iwasn't in the world.
Like I'd literally, to avoidthe world outside of the church,
I'd had to become a hermit.
I would literally have to shutmyself off from all things that
were sinful.
Keith (16:07):
And that wouldn't be beneficial either, right?
Tunisha (16:09):
Because then you can't be the light.
Keith (16:10):
So you have the dilemma of being in this world, but not
of it, but having to deal withit without having a dualistic
nature of being flesh and spiritand having contradictions in
your life and your speech andhow you do things.
And so, yeah, that's thereality.
So when I start at the top fromthe macro, evangelical voters,
(16:32):
believers who are putting peoplein office, it should be spirit
all the time.
Even when you're voting, evenwhen you're saying, you know,
when you're judging thecharacter of a man and you know
that they're just trying to viefor your vote, is just like, no,
is this individual really aboutthat?
Tunisha (16:48):
They're just human too.
I think that's the our per ourtrust is in the Lord, it's not
in the person in front of me.
That person in front of me mayserve me good, may serve me a
great place.
Like, and I think that's whatwe need to see it as.
Like if if if the if thepolitician is like, hey, I'm pro
something that's biblical,right?
Then we see it as anopportunity.
We don't see it as, oh yes,they support everything about
(17:11):
me.
You know, and I think that isbecause I always tell Keith, I
said, you know, when when wealways say, oh, you know, you
missionaries that go spread thegospel all the time, like, oh,
they go to places that spreadthe gospel all the time.
And this and I say to myself,why is it so much different
here?
And then somebody will say,Well, you have assigned people
for that.
Maybe that evangelical nation,or you know, you have, you know,
(17:31):
but then it's just like, nah, Idon't think that's it.
I don't think that's it.
I think the same fear that's inthe other side of the world is
the same fear that's on thisside of the world.
But because we compromise andbecause we do have these feels,
we're just like, well, because Idon't want them to be upset
with me.
I'm afraid to tell that personwho he is because they might
respond a certain way becauseyou know, the the law is for
(17:54):
them right now.
Yeah, you know, or the law isso against them right now that
they're gonna think that I'mhating, you know, and it's just
like that is a fear.
Yeah, it it is.
Keith (18:02):
It's um and you don't want to you don't want to be a
uh social outcast, yeah.
Tunisha (18:06):
And or you don't want to stir somebody up, right?
Like even like if you look atsomeone and and the first thing
you notice about that person isokay, they're this, right?
Because you're judging theiroutside appearance for whatever
reason you're doing that.
More than likely, unless you'relike a bigot, like you're just
trying to be a type of person,you're not gonna say anything.
Yeah, you know, you're notgonna even, you know, deal with
that person, right?
And you're just gonna say,well, that's because I just know
(18:29):
they the type.
They're the type that's gonnaget upset.
You is the type.
At one point, you too were thetype.
At one point, you were theperson that somebody looked at
and said you might just getupset if they tell you about
him.
You know, and whether that'sbecause your parents put you in
the system or church, or whetherthat's because somewhere by the
line, they either way, somehowGod reached your type.
(18:49):
Just gonna say that.
All of us were that at onepoint, right?
That's true.
But somewhere along the line,we don't realize why there was
so much scripture about fear, somuch scripture about why we
should not fear, so muchscripture about why we need to
be courageous, so much scriptureabout scripture about like all
the things that we had toperfect love cast out here.
(19:10):
Like the Lord had told me thatso many times today.
Like, all those things that wehad to understand that we cannot
comprehend why we were toldthat so many times.
And I'm not gonna be the personthat's gonna go through the
Bible and tell you how manytimes that word was spoken, um,
because that's irrelevant.
You've heard it enough.
Um, the point I'm making is whydid we hear it so much?
Maybe because there was gonnabe a place where we were so
(19:32):
delusional that we thought thatwe weren't afraid, we were just
being nice, we were just beingkind.
Keith (19:36):
There it is, you know, and that and that right there, I
mean, it's I want to talk aboutthe fear aspect, but I want to
talk about that latter portionbecause it ties into to this
whole the the piece, right?
Because not to not tosidetrack, going into Mark
chapter 7, verse 8, it says, Youdepart from God's command and
(19:59):
hold on to human tradition.
Indeed, he said to them, Youhave made a fine art of
departing from God's command inorder to keep your tradition.
Now, granted, sort of out ofcontext, but to this point, this
is one of those that is this isthat thread again, right?
(20:21):
Like we replace fear with beingnice, being politically
correct, being kosher amongstpeople.
And so we've redefined it.
And so that way fear doesn'thave an effect in us, that word,
we don't we no longer assumethat it's fear.
And so now I'm just keepingwith the tradition being
politically correct.
I can't say stuff like that toto somebody.
(20:43):
I can't call out because thenwhat about me?
Because you know, the word alsosays that if I judge, then if
if I judge you, then I'm gonnabe judged by the same measure,
and then that means I need topraise God if you're in the
spirit, right?
And so at the end of the day,though, we this is that
lukewarmness that's talked aboutin Revelations, but more
(21:03):
importantly, we're allowing itbecause it sounds okay.
Like to say, if you seesomebody in the LGBT community
that you know personally andthey know you're a Christian,
you know they're LGBTQ, y'allnever had a conversation about
Jesus, I said, right?
Like ever.
And so what ends up happeningis because it's I don't want you
(21:24):
to feel like I'm judging you.
Tunisha (21:26):
Or agree to disagree.
Keith (21:28):
Yeah, and and it's like, well, I don't know how to
promote, I don't know how to sayit without love.
And but if y'all are friends,if you're close and if you know
that person, then in love, itcan come out without being
judged.
But the offense taken byYahshua's name is gonna be
there.
Now, can you still be friendsand know someone and be
(21:48):
acquaintance with someone who isin that community?
Absolutely, right?
Because your life is stilllived out.
You can sit with, not can notuh uh condone.
Tunisha (21:58):
You know, and there's a there's a wisdom about it too.
Like I'm not telling y'all gosit down and say Yeshua finally,
right now.
You know, there is a wisdomthat has to be taken lightly.
Like is it's a prayer, it's awisdom.
You might have to sit with thisperson for years and never
speak the name of Yeshua a dayin your life.
Like, we're not always, we'renot, what does the Paul say?
Some plant, some water, that ison the government.
(22:20):
We're not always in the seasonof where growth is.
Yeah.
And I think sometimes we'relike, well, well, Tanisha said
that I got everybody I talk to,I gotta say, Jesus.
I gotta correct it, you know,and I gotta fix them.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, man, draw close tothe spirit and he'll let you
know what to do.
But don't be afraid to drawclose to the spirit and find out
what you're gonna do.
Like, that's the fear we have.
Yeah, we don't wake up in themorning and say, Lord, I'm up
(22:43):
today.
Where do I, what do I need togo and how are you gonna show up
in my day?
Like I was telling Keith, we goto the grocery store looking
for the groceries.
You know, we go, we go to thebookstore looking for books.
Like we're we are not evenaware that God literally being
sovereign was like, I need youto go to the grocery store for
this purpose.
You know, we're so focused onthat one list.
I have a whole list I take withme to the grocery store.
(23:04):
We're so focused on fulfillingthat list.
And there are times where whenI'm noticing something, that
list is very hard to fulfill.
Like, and I guess I'll have tochange the recipe when I get
home.
But either way, I'll miss a fewthings because I'm I'm aware of
someone, you know, and it's notalways because I got to say
Jesus to this person, but thereis a reason why God has us
notice people.
(23:24):
There's a reason why we have tounderstand is it prayer, is it
a word, is it what is it?
Draw on the spirit of God inthat moment.
Like, because if you don't, youwill miss the opportunity to
share in the glory of hiskingdom.
And I think we think that's thefear I say we have.
It's not so much as saying hisname to somebody.
I'm not saying you shouldn't dothat either.
Get again, like it's God's way.
(23:45):
Okay, we had to be obedient,regardless of that.
But the fear we have is to eventest him and taste to see if
he's good.
Because it's like, what if hetells me to say something?
Yeah.
What if he has me pray for thisperson?
What if he he tells me to spendtime with them and and and show
hospitality and bring themhere?
(24:05):
And you know, and it's what ifhe makes me have to be friends
with that person for goodnesssake?
What if I have to dwell withthem?
And we're in this place wherewe're doing all these what is
and our fears are overtaking us.
We're like, no, that's just mebeing wise, and that's just me
trying to make sure I don't addextra stuff to my equation, and
I got so much stuff to do, andthat's not God, you know, like
(24:26):
I'll invite them to church.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And um, yeah, and not sayingyou should not do that, by the
way, but I wouldn't inviteanybody to a church if I don't
believe the pastor is righteither.
Because, you know, there's athere's a testing of the fruit
in everyone.
Yeah.
Um either way, but yes, thething is the we we have a fear.
Keith (24:52):
Yeah, no, and we do.
And it's again, it's it's umyou've been groomed to be this
way since the beginning, right?
Like you were born into sin,you were raised by the world.
Yeah, I mean, it it's it's mything for the season that we're
in because people don't needpeople need to understand, we
all need to get a good grasp onthe fact of how much effort
(25:14):
society has taken in us.
Does that make sense?
Like how much effort the worldhas put into us to being good
citizens in the country or goodcitizens in the world, right?
And it's a lot of effort that'sbeen done to teach us the ways
of manners and good manners andbeing polite and being
politically correct and sayingthe right things at the right
(25:35):
time and all these things, andthen at some point in your life
you come to know Christ, andhe's like, No, I need full
control, and it goes against thevery nature of all the things
you've you have been taught todo your entire life, and so I
just don't want us to to get offtrack and and and and start
(25:56):
missing the facts, like startmissing the fact that the
temperature's cutting up, right?
Like, you could probably lookwithin your church, and and
that's where I'm gonnatransition to next, but you you
can look into your church, youcan look into your life, you can
look into your environmentaround you, and and it's it's a
good time to take stock of thecompromises that we've allowed
(26:19):
in our lives, right?
And start cutting at that rope.
Because I I guarantee you,we're not pulling the thread
anymore.
It's it's a rope now, right?
And so there's a lot of fibersthat need to be cut, and they
can easily be identified and cutoff by the spirit of the Lord.
And that's that's the goalhere.
Tunisha (26:37):
And it begins with the body, it begins with the body.
I think that's the you know,love your neighbor as you love
yourself, right?
Like, okay, great.
What was the first powerfulthing?
Love God with all of my heart,mind, soul, and spirit, right?
Second one's just like what?
Like, my my love of God willpour out to me for the love of
my neighbor.
And he literally said, and evenmore love goes in the body.
(26:58):
Like, where we correct sin,where we edify and encourage and
all these things is in thebody.
Keith (27:03):
Yeah.
Tunisha (27:04):
And I think the reason why we don't even do that,
because now we got, you know,generals in the body who are
like, you can't tell me what todo.
You know, like I mean, I somehere, somehow along the way,
we've forgotten that we are allon the same level.
Like, y'all, y'all, I don'tcare what nobody says.
You are not above nobody in thekingdom of God.
Jesus literally told us thathe's like, we aren't like that.
(27:27):
He said, Gentiles have that,but we're not like that.
And he was talking about Jewsin the moment.
He was talking to the Jews.
Like, like that's not whathappens when you come into the
kingdom, right?
Like, there's an order for howthings have to operate, but it
doesn't mean you takeprecedence.
Right.
Right?
Like the the when Paul talksabout the gifts, and then he
talks about the body, and thenhe talks about the body parts,
(27:48):
and he says, How much moreimportant is this one?
And we need to dress that oneup.
Like, you know, if you're upthere, then humble yourself,
Low, because that's where youneed to be.
You know, and I think the hardpart is we got so many people
say you can't tell me what todo.
You don't know any better.
No, but I know the Lord and Ihave the spirit.
And if the spirit is telling meto tell you something, then you
(28:08):
and you have the same head andthe same spirit is in you, then
you should be able to hear.
It's not always that somebodyis correcting you in the way
that you need the correction,you might just need to hear what
the spirit of the Lord issaying, and you need to take
that to God and fix it.
And you can't tell nobodynothing anymore in the body.
Keith (28:25):
Like you don't let I want to say, because that that
perfect segue, that ties intothe to the church establishment,
right?
Because you got to understand,once it went from you know,
fellowship and family tobusiness and corporation, it has
to follow the corporation rulesin order to make sense.
I'm just saying, like, if ifyou work at a plant, if you work
(28:48):
at a restaurant, if you workedanywhere outside of a church,
you got a boss, you gotmanagers, you got supervisors,
you got employees, and then youhave the customer.
Okay, and and sadly, a lot ofthe churches, the parishioner is
the customer.
And we've come to purchasegrace, and we've come to have a
great experience in thisestablishment called Chuck E.
(29:11):
Cheese.
Okay.
No, it's it is what it is.
And so the customer is now theparishioner because you gotta
think about it.
They're coming to buy a coupleof things from this church
building.
They're coming to buy a checkoff the block that I was att I
attended, that I'm a faithful uhmember of Costco, and that I've
used my little membership cardtoday, and I might get a
(29:32):
discount, uh i.e.
a blessing that might comedown.
I might win a raffle prizetoday at Costco if I show up on
Sunday.
That's the first thing thecustomer is doing.
The second thing the customeris doing is they might need to
purchase individual things forthemselves by way of attendance,
by way of tithe, by way of anextra giving, by way of whatever
(29:52):
the thing might be that thething is offering, right?
But then on the opposite end,because moving beyond the
customer.
Right.
Tunisha (30:00):
And we need to know how many customers we have and how
many customers we're losing.
Keith (30:03):
Oh, we yes.
We got direct.
That's why we're moving intothe to the manager.
Tunisha (30:07):
Disciples.
How many disciples do you haveand how many are you moving?
Keith (30:11):
That's that we're moving, we're transitioning now to the
to the staff, to the managementof Chuck E.
Cheese.
Because that manager has acorporate manager, a district
manager, a national manager,right?
And we need to make sure thatthis Chuck E.
Cheese is doing well, otherwisewe might need to shut it down.
Okay.
But anyway, they have to ensurethat the customer is being met.
(30:33):
And so if I'm the supervisor orthe boss or whatever the case
may be, I need to see how manyloyalty members I got under my
name, right?
And it and it's sad, but if itdoesn't work that way, I
guarantee you you would feelreal uncomfortable at your
church.
If you went to your normalchurch tomorrow on Sunday and
literally pulled in there and itwas just like one big family
(30:54):
experience, there was not thishuge like entertainment setup
and so on and so on, it wouldfeel different to you.
But it's by design, right?
And and the thread that thebody pulled was the 501c.
The thread that we pulled wassaying this is tax deductible.
This is a nonprofitorganization.
(31:16):
You kill me, you hear me?
And then it turns into a ropebecause now you have staff
members, now you have multiplepastors, and they all have
positions.
The customer doesn't go andtalk to the manager, to the
district manager of Chuck E.
Cheese.
The customer can't go to Costcotoday and say, Let me speak to
the general manager of thisestablishment.
Tunisha (31:37):
You gotta see him in passing when he's checking on
his store.
Yeah, maybe no, I'm saying,like, that's kind of how you
encounter that when he might bein there just checking on his
store today and greet you, andyou're like, Oh, who is you?
Oh, you up, okay.
Keith (31:49):
And even then I got some problems.
Tunisha (31:51):
Well, that's let me hear.
Okay, I don't'm gonna deal withthem.
Keith (31:53):
Yes, that's exactly where I was about to go.
It's like you you address a GMat Costco, Walmart, wherever,
pick a store, and you and you'retelling them, like, hey, you
know, these aisles are kind ofdirty, and y'all never have milk
for real.
He's gonna say, All right,thank you.
Tunisha (32:07):
And if it's not a pressing matter, he may never
get to the people who need todeal with it either.
And that's the focum of theproblem.
So we're not against the churchbuilding.
I I hate for people to thinkthat.
Um, we are not against thechurch building.
What we are against is the factthat you guys do know, and I'm
gonna just go ahead and say thisbecause I need to say this.
This is why I okay, this is Ithink this is why I got tearied
(32:31):
earlier because it is botheringme.
You do know we are in the last,right?
Like, if y'all aren't hearingthat, if y'all aren't saying
that, and not for fun and funeither, like, because I know
we've been, oh, we've beensaying that for years, you know,
not for play play, like, forreal.
And we have a lot of lot ofsheep in wolves' clothing in
those pool pits today.
We got many of them who areabout to come in, who are
(32:54):
getting ready to be to to getwhat's the word when you come, I
don't know.
That is like these littleordination things.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, you know, we got me stillcoming who are coming in, um
probably as innocent as all getout about it, right?
But about to quickly be takenover because you got that that
thing that's above them that'salready gonna take over how they
(33:14):
operate.
Yeah, you know, and the issuethat we have is seeing it.
It's seeing it.
Like, and I think that'ssomething that you have to
understand.
Yeshua saw it.
Yeah like when he was dealingwith the Pharisees, he saw it.
Like when Paul saw it, Petersaw it.
Yeah, I'm I could kiss.
John was talking about thedaggone anti-Christ spirit, the
(33:36):
anti-Messiah spirit alreadythere.
Like, and we're talking aboutthis was 2,000 plus years ago.
Yeah, if it was already there2,000 plus years ago, why do you
not notice that it's already inyour churches?
Okay, and so here we are, we'relike, oh that that can't be us.
We're protected.
(33:57):
Okay, you're protected, okay?
I understand what you'resaying, but you know, you're
only protected by the the by therelationship relationship you
have with Christ.
And I and I don't get whypeople are like, well, the
protection is the fact that Isaid I believe in him.
Keith (34:12):
That's the protection, you know, and so then you didn't
get the favorite verse, youknow, the the the Satan, the
demons believe and they tremble,they they acknowledge.
Tunisha (34:23):
I mean, we go clearly to the part when Jesus is
talking about the end days, andhe clearly says, to the place
that even the elect could bedeceived, you know, but we'll
shorten those days so that don'thappen.
So if if he's saying even theelect can be deceived, and this
is not them, well, this isn'tonce saved, always saved
preaching.
That's the Calvinist thing.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
(34:44):
You need to understand what theelect is.
You go to your Bible, read it,pay attention, read it again.
Even they will be deceived.
And if they're deceived, or ifthey can be deceived, why do you
not think the delusion isstrong?
Yeah, why do you not think thedelusion is strong?
And for those of you who arecalling on the God of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob and saying thathe is not the father of Israel,
y'all are deluded.
(35:05):
Yes.
Is that the word?
Deluded?
I'm saying it wrong.
I don't care.
Y'all know what I mean.
Keith (35:10):
I say confused.
Tunisha (35:11):
Yeah, y'all, y'all like y'all are taking over.
See, I can't even say the rightword for the hypocrisy.
Like, it's like it's bad.
Because y'all are like, no,that don't even matter no more.
Okay, see, that's what we callthe anti-Messiah spirit.
Keith (35:22):
Like, because you better be gone into anti-Semitism, now
you're going into replacement.
Tunisha (35:27):
And someone said it, Messiah came from a Jewish womb.
Keith (35:32):
Yeah.
Tunisha (35:33):
Like that, you gotta pay attention to what you're
saying.
Now, am I telling you to beJewish?
Gosh, no.
But I am telling you that youare grafted into a Jewish
society of people, okay?
And I'm not talking about theway you say it, okay?
You are grafted into an olivetree, okay?
You're grafted into a vine.
Okay, and so the root thatsupports you is that.
And so when we get into thatplace of like, what are you
(35:55):
talking about?
That's done, that's over.
You know, I got I got somethings to say about that, but I
won't put that here because thatwould take too long.
You know, it's it's it's aboutunderstanding where it came from
and literally appreciating it.
Yeah, okay, literallyappreciating it, and then it
might take you away from some ofthe stuff you do because you
realize it don't fit into themode of what you do.
Keith (36:16):
Yeah, that tradition.
Yeah, right.
And so transitioning into theparishioner.
I won't call you a customer,I'll call you a believer to the
believer.
So, you know, when you go macroall the way down, because I can
spend hours on evangelicals atthe church, but this is just now
us.
(36:36):
And what you just said was wasvery, very powerful because it
it ties back into the personalrelationship that we had with
the Messiah.
Like, forget the rest.
Forget the the the Chuck E.
Cheese church that you orCostco church that you had.
Forget who's in office, mayorall the way up to presidency.
Let's talk about our owninternal belief, our own
(37:00):
internal um time that we spendreading the word, our own
internal time that we spend inprayer, combating the fear that
we have to be obedient to God.
Forget all of that.
The rope we have to now cut isbecoming complacent, right?
Becoming complacent in our walkfor the sake of just pure
(37:23):
belief, for the sake of the factthat we go to the Costco on
Sunday, for the sake of for thesake of the fact that we have
somebody in office that you knowis pro-Christian to a point.
Um at the end of the day, we'regonna be held accountable for
our own actions, right?
Like me and you used to talkabout this many years ago, um,
(37:45):
back when I was a super dirtbag, but it's just like I can't
go to heaven and say, Jesus, Icheated on my wife because you
know she didn't do X, Y, and Z,and I I did this and I did that,
and I killed this person, and Istole this, and I was addicted
to these things because of mylife circumstances, and so
that's why I had he's gonnanobody, I'm not gonna be able to
(38:08):
pull anybody up there and say,This is why I did it.
It's just gonna be me and him.
And then at the end of the day,he gets to say to me, either
depart because I never knew you,and he might go down the litany
of the reasons how that doesn'tmake sense, or maybe I will be
spending eternity in hell comingto a realization of how none of
(38:29):
that stuff made sense.
I thought I was gonna get awaywith that.
Tunisha (38:32):
This might not even tie in, but I had to cut in because
I had a Bible study with thekids this morning, and this was
you were talking about, youknow, you're gonna be judged for
your own thing.
And we were in uh Matthew 7today, and Jesus was talking
about uh, you're gonna say, youcast this out of my name, you
prophesied in my name, you know,you did miracles in my name.
And I'm gonna say, Depart fromme, I never knew you.
(38:53):
And so me and my daughter werejust joking back and forth, back
and forth, you know, and I waslike, Well, you know,
interesting enough, and I'm I'mnot really good with words when
I'm talking in the middle oftalking.
So I was like, you know, youcan't have like that
relationship with God thatsurface, right?
And then I go, you can't have aplatonic relationship with God.
And she goes, and she goes,Mom, platonic relationship means
(39:14):
like you're this, but you'renot having and I was like, Oh
yeah, I knew that.
And then I was like, I didn'tmean to say that.
No, wait, I didn't mean to saythis.
I said, But you have to beintimate with God.
Yeah, I said, because if you'renot, you won't be at the fruit
of the spirit.
Keith (39:30):
Yes.
Tunisha (39:31):
And I was like, that was the right word.
I just thought it was wrongbecause of what I said, and I
was like, oh, you're right.
And then when she said it, Isaid it, and I was like, and she
just she laughs, she givesthem, and then I'm laughing, oh
man, that was wrong.
I was like, no, it was right.
Like you have to, because whathe was saying was, depart from
me, I never knew.
And this is when we startedgoing.
I said it said, knew you.
(39:52):
I said, but I said, what doesit say in Genesis when Adam and
Eve knew each other knew eachother?
I said, you have to be intimateto bear the fruit.
Jesus says literally in John15, you know, like I am divine,
you are the branch.
Apart from me, you can bear nofruits.
You can do nothing.
Okay, you can't you have to beintimate, you have to have this
(40:14):
close relationship with himoutside of someone over you
telling him, telling you abouthim.
Keith (40:18):
Yeah.
Tunisha (40:19):
That I mean, that's good and all.
It's nice to have teachers, butwe don't know if they're
teaching truth.
Right.
You know, like Paul said, it'llall be tested.
Keith (40:26):
Yeah.
Tunisha (40:26):
You know, and we have it's nice to have, you know,
people who can share theirknowledge.
But let me tell you something,people got lots of knowledge, no
wisdom now.
Like, if you don't have wisdomwith the knowledge, you might
just be very intellectual.
And so the thing is, it's likewe don't get the understanding
of God without being intimatewith God.
Keith (40:46):
Yeah.
Tunisha (40:46):
You know, I don't know.
Sorry, you said that and Ididn't wait.
Keith (40:49):
No, I'm glad, I'm glad because as you were saying it,
because I I think I asked youabout Bible study, but you
didn't go there with it today.
So I'm not sure.
Tunisha (40:56):
Because I was gonna break it.
I didn't know it.
But if you said, well, we had afunny today.
Keith (41:02):
No, but that was that's so accurate, right?
And I think to you all, thelistener, right, because that
hit, do you have a Bhutanicrelationship with the Lord
expecting, you know, inheritancelike a wife or or a husband?
Do you do you have afriendship?
Are you in the friend zone withJesus?
(41:22):
You know, and forever friendzone, because you never want to
cross that that gap, right?
And like you put yourselfthere.
Jesus is not the one, you puthim in the friend zone by the
way of your actions and by theway of of of assuming the
tradition of man and taking thatmore importantly than you did
(41:44):
God's promise.
You know, and so it's not Ithink the hardest, the hardest
reality that we have to face,right?
And this is just a hundred nofluff.
If you're not reading, ifyou're not praying, if you're
not doing this by yourself ofyour own fruition, but that's
outside of the church, outsideof a friend, then you are
lacking in your relationshipwith the Lord.
Tunisha (42:05):
And then you are over the person who's not reading and
not praying, and you're nottelling them they should be
doing other things, and you'renot telling them they should be
repenting, you're not tellingthem they should be changing
their life and doing the rightthing to show that the holiness
is in them and not calling themto a place of holiness, you too
are doing your wrong.
Keith (42:20):
Yes.
You too.
And so wake up, be woke for theLord for real, for real, in the
in the right way, I guess.
I don't know.
I I'm I'm not good with thewoke.
Tunisha (42:30):
I don't even know what it means for real.
Keith (42:31):
But either way, no, we need to we do really do need to
to get it together because asyou mentioned earlier, we're in
a season right now towards theend, and it is easy to be
deceived, it's easy to becomfortable with the traditions
that we have because it feelsgood, because it sounds good, it
(42:52):
sounds nice, it sounds likesomething Jesus would do, but
it's just that 99% is importantbecause like I tell my children
all the time, I I teach youthese things, I tell you to do
these things because you need tobe aware.
Tunisha (43:06):
Like you need to be aware of false teachers, you
need to be aware of falseprophets, you need to be aware
of false anything that's outthere.
Um, in their time, there werefalse apostles.
I won't give you the rest ofwhy I say it like that.
The point I make it is you needto be aware and know it for
yourself because even Yeshuasaid, know them by their fruits,
know them by their love.
You ain't testing miracles,doc.
No, yeah, you're not texting,you're not testing miracles.
(43:28):
I it's so many people, well,this is what they're doing, and
this is what they do, and thenlook at their life.
They have this.
It's like you're testing thesetangible things, these miracles,
and my like my daughter saidthis morning when we were
talking about, you know, justhaving things and just like you
know, having and she was like,Well, she I can't even remember
how she said it, but she waslike, They're making people
underneath them want the things,and I was like, See, how are
(43:50):
you so young and so wise?
Like, not that she is, it wasjust she was saying some great
stuff this morning, and I waslike, Yes, yeah, yes, like you
you're getting to these placeswhere you see these people over
you, and they have no problemyoking you back into bondage.
Keith (44:04):
Yeah, I was gonna go on first Corinthians or Galatians
5, but go explore the word foryourself because that was the
cheat code.
Go look in 1 Corinthians andGalatians 5 and and see kind of
what we're talking about in thisin this thought process.
But we've given you ablueprint, things to start
looking for.
If anything, if you made itthis far in the video, uh as
(44:26):
we're about to conclude, youknow, like, share, subscribe,
whatever the thing might be.
But in this blueprint, startbeing on the lookout, right?
And maybe that's the thing,right?
Because when you get socomplacent with your
surroundings, you no longerstart to like realize things are
off.
Ask the Lord to literally openyour eyes so that you can see
the you said woke, but let's useit properly, the way Jesus uses
(44:49):
it.
Wake up.
Tunisha (44:50):
He says, Stay awake, be alert, be mindful.
Keith (44:55):
Arise, old sleeper in the old testament.
Tunisha (44:57):
Lest you be deceived, is what he says.
Yes, lest you be deceived.
That's the type of wake youneed to be.
Keith (45:03):
Yes.
Tunisha (45:03):
Like that let's wake up like day, okay?
That's the wake.
Let's that's woke for us.
Keith (45:08):
Yes, there we go.
Tunisha (45:09):
Okay.
Keith (45:09):
All right.
Well, until next time, y'all beblessed.
Y'all have a great andwonderful week, and we love
y'all.
See ya.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Bobby Bones Show
Listen to 'The Bobby Bones Show' by downloading the daily full replay.