November 1, 2023 • 49 mins
How far would you go to feel comfortable in your own skin? Join us for an incredibly personal and profound discussion with our guest Tiffany, who shares her story of body transformation and self-perception. Navigating us through her journey, Tiffany opens up about her decisions to undergo a breast reduction, get implants, and later, opt to remove those implants. This episode is heavy with emotion as we dive into the deep waters of self-care, self-love, and the pivotal role they play in our decisions about our body image.
Tiffany's narrative takes a compelling turn when she recalls her decision to have the implants removed. What sparked this choice? A combination of intense research, spiritual guidance and a life-altering motorcycle accident. We also touch on the often neglected topic of detoxification post-implant removal. Tiffany shares her detox experiences and provides valuable insights on reducing toxicity in our bodies, starting with small, manageable changes in our daily habits.
In the final act of this riveting conversation, we discuss the power of language and its impact on self-perception and body image. Tiffany's revelation about rewiring her brain to form a more positive self-image is an incredible testament to the transformative power of language. The episode concludes with reflections on Tiffany's journey with implants and their removal and a surprising discussion on fat transfer as a potential alternative to implants. This is a soul-stirring conversation that teaches us about resilience, self-love, and the power of positivity. Join us for this enlightening journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Join hosts Terry Cullums andAmanda Keeper each week, as they
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(00:23):
well-being.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Tiffany, my friend, thank you so much for joining me
today.
Yes, you're welcome.
So good to be back with you.
It's been a while, but you andI did an Instagram Live.
I think you said it's been liketwo years ago now.
Right, as you said it was, yeah.
So just let's give ourlisteners just a little bit of
background.
(00:50):
We talked on the Instagram Liveabout how do we get to the place
where, as women, I want to talkin general a little bit, but I
also want to talk both you and Ilike our individual feelings.
Like society puts a lot ofpressure on women, and even more
so as we age in some ways, thatwe feel like we need to make
decisions about our body,whether it's Botox or Implants
(01:14):
or Tummy Tux or whatever theyare facelifts, you name it.
So many things we can do toourselves to keep up this
feeling Like I don't know.
How are we still valuable?
Do we still look attractive?
What is our place in this worldand how does our looks fit into
(01:34):
that?
So can we just visit a littlefor a few minutes about where
you were when you made thedecision to get your implants in
the first place?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, that's a really great question, because as I
was thinking about thisconversation, I had to think
back to that, because it wouldhave been 13 or 14 years ago
that I had them put in.
So there was kind of tworeasons for that.
One was 15 years prior to thatI had had a reduction, because
(02:06):
growing up I was so large and soI had a reduction.
When I had the reduction therewas too much taken out and so I
was left with really nothing.
So for me, part of it was well,I'm supposed I'm a woman, I'm
supposed to have something, so Ijust want something little so
that I can have something.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Part of it was that so I think you said you're about
20-ish when you had thereduction.
Uh-huh yeah, what does thatfeel like at the 20-year-old to
see your body change sodrastically?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, it was so emotional Because that's all I
knew.
I mean, I think I had largebreasts from like 12 years old
or something.
So it was what I knew growingup.
But yeah, it was such anemotional experience.
And every time we change ourbodies or alter our bodies in
(02:57):
any way, shape or form, it is anemotional experience because
there's so many emotions tied tothings with it.
So, yeah, when I had thereduction, it was such.
I just remember feeling suchjoy Because to me it was so
painful for so long and I gotmade fun of and just all the
things that brought a lot ofsadness and anger.
(03:19):
So when I had the reduction andI was just so full of joy, I
just remember looking in themirror for the first time and
falling because I was just sohappy that I wasn't going to be
teased anymore, I wasn't goingto be in pain anymore, all the
things.
So it was a good experience forme then.
(03:39):
Good.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So then fast forward.
How many years was it laterthat now you're in this mindset
where I need some breasts, Ineed some bigger boobs.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
here it was about probably 12 or no, probably
about 11 or 12,.
Yeah, because I had thereduction and they did a good
job, but I continued to loseweight, which was another part
of my history.
I was very overweight Mom grewup very overweight, kid, all
that so I continued to loseweight and that's when just all
(04:11):
disappeared.
Then I had nothing, yeah,nothing.
So, yeah, I was about 10 or 11or 12 years later, probably.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So, okay, so you haven't removed, you lose a
bunch of weight.
Now you're dissatisfied withyour body for a totally
different reason and yeah, I'mnot laughing at you, believe me,
I just left me, oh, I know.
And so then you decide I'm nothappy with my body again.
So now I'm going to make thisreally life-altering decision to
(04:40):
get implants put in, and wediscussed this on the Instagram
Live that you and I did a coupleyears ago, which I'm going to
link in the show notes so thatthe listeners can go back and
listen to the entire history,because we're just kind of
glossing over some of it here.
So you said in that InstagramLive that part of the reason
that you did it was because youwere kind of seeking outer
(05:03):
approval.
You weren't at the place, youweren't the Tiffany yet that I
knew when I first met you, whereyou had so much confidence.
So at the time when you gotthem put in, I think I remember
you saying like you just wereseeking some outside validation
and that came through.
My body is rocking and allother aspects, but I just really
feel like I need some boobs.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, you know, when you go through that, when you go
through quite a significantchange especially when someone's
on a weight loss journey youknow and you go through that.
You know I used to be over 200pounds and on a 5-2 frame for me
that was extremely overweight,and so you go through this, you
go through this journey and whenyou finally hit a point where
(05:46):
you're like I'm satisfied withwhere I'm at, then you're like
wait a second, what else is whatelse?
Wait, this is now, this is outof proportion, or this is, oh,
I'm not satisfied with this.
So now I need to do this.
So, yeah, you know I had doneso much work on myself and that
was the one thing that was leftand I was like, well, just not
comfortable with this.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, when you say you did the work on yourself
, do you mean your physical body, or do you also were you also
starting to get introspective atthat point about the inside?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
not yet, oh no, none of that.
No, it was all my physical bodyworking on my physical body.
I had no idea, Like when yousaid, you know, 10 years ago,
when you had those put in, wherewas your?
You know, what was yourreasoning?
Like I mean, I had no mentalstate of being secure in any way
.
My identity was found in beingaccepted by others.
(06:37):
My identity was found in, youknow, looking good and feeling
like I needed to be loved bypeople and all that stuff, which
is not that today, but that'swhat it was then.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And I remember from our live interview on Instagram
that you said you never feltlike you needed to hide that you
had it done.
So what was that like to like?
Go back into the workplaceafter?
And I'm sure yours was obvious,right, Wasn't it obvious?
Because you were thin?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So small.
The implants were small C's.
It's not like they were big,but I'm sure people noticed but
I wasn't like you know like.
But if people would ask, Iwould just be honest and say,
yeah, this is why this is myjourney.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, my experience is different.
So, like you, I had, you knowI'd had four children.
And well, you didn't have fourchildren.
I had four children and youknow, had gone through the whole
weight gain, weight loss,weight gain, weight loss, the
whole thing and then breastfedmy younger child and when she
was about 10, I think it waswhen I got divorced and I did
(07:45):
the divorce diet and lost a tonof weight, about 55 pounds, and
you know, looking at myself inthe mirror was kind of painful,
like just the way they look, myway my breasts looked.
I was just just.
I didn't even want to look atmyself in the mirror and I never
felt like and I was with Brian,my husband now I was with him
(08:06):
at this point.
I never felt like he made mefeel any less desirable, but I
had these feelings of if I couldjust gain a little more
confidence there and look at me.
Even now I'm like wanting tolearn.
If you're watching this onYouTube, I'm like trying to
cover up my.
It was never about anybody else, it was always about me and how
(08:27):
I felt about myself.
So I think you know in someways we're the same and in some
ways you know we're different,and we acknowledge this on our
live talk, where every womanarrives at this point in the
journey for very, very differentreasons.
And oh, absolutely.
You and I are not here to judgeanybody or convince anybody
(08:49):
that the way we feel about it isthe way they should feel about
it.
I just believe that when we haveinformation, as people, we are
empowered then to make our owndecisions, and so I had you on
the live because I was shocked,first of all because I guess I
didn't know that you hadimplants at the time to begin
with Not any reason you wouldhave ever told me, but that you
(09:11):
were so brave to go public andkind of talk about this.
And you know, since our talk twoyears ago, I feel like it's
becoming more and more prevalentthat people are talking about
this.
Before we start recording today, I told you that I had this
list of symptoms for breastplant illness and I just quickly
(09:33):
went through it just to kind ofsee like could these be easily
missed in comes by most women,and 19 of the symptoms on this
list are things that I thinkwomen heading into midlife, in
perimenopause or menopause, theycould very well be experiencing
some of these symptoms, and sothey might be missing, that
(09:54):
they're related to breastimplant illness.
Breast implant illness thoseare three hard words to say
together for some reason, rightimplant yeah yeah, yeah, but I
mean, look at where.
I'm not going to read all ofthem, I'm going to gloss over
them real quick.
But like that, like whatmiddle-aged woman do you know?
That's not to hear.
Let's see, I got to put myglasses on.
(10:16):
Let's see what else.
Brain fog, muscle pain andweakness, joint pain and
soreness, weight gain, lowlibido, estrogen imbalance, body
odor, which you know.
Your pH level changes as you gothrough perimenopause and
menopause, so I could see thatfor sure.
What else?
(10:36):
Premature aging, decline invision you and I were talking
about before we recorded, I wastelling you my, I need my
glasses more now than everDigestic issues, depression,
mood swings, anxiety.
I mean I think allperimenopausal and menopausal
women are talking about thisshit.
You know this is what we're allgoing through.
(10:57):
So it is.
Let's go back to when you youhad married Billy by this point,
and you had, you know, startedseeking out a relationship with
Jesus Christ.
You shared, and so your mind isnow starting to catch up with
where your body was.
And how did that lead you todiscover that you potentially
(11:22):
had breast implant illness?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I don't know that that part led me to discover
that.
I think that's kind of aseparate entity, you know.
As to the decision to actuallyexplain them, okay, but just
like you said, we are just in aday and age where everything is
so easily accessible to us now,mm-hmm, everything, every topic
(11:48):
in the world.
Where it used to be, we onlyknew one side of it.
Now we can know 12 angles of it, right, easily easily.
And so, as stuff just kind ofstarted to pop up on social
media, I wouldn't even have evensaid, oh, I have symptoms, I
(12:08):
mean, because it was just mynormal life, it's just what I
knew it to be.
Right, as you said, I wasgetting older as well, I had had
kids, you know it's, and so allthose hormonal changes and
things like that.
So I would have never said, oh,it's breast implant illness.
But as things started popping up, I started reading, you know,
and seeing more things.
(12:29):
And you know, at the time Istarted, this is when we started
going more of a natural routein our life, in our lifestyle,
you know, more holistic naturalroute.
And so my functional medicinedoctor was like bringing things
to my attention and just youknow, just you know how you like
.
You see a red car, you buy ared car and you see that same
car everywhere, like yes, that'skind of what started happening
(12:51):
and I was like okay, wait asecond.
And it wasn't big brother on myphone Now I'm going to get all
these messages now about allthis but it wasn't that you know
so well.
So I think I was just gettingmore educated.
I was getting more educatedabout things that were possible
symptoms and signs that werepossible from breast implants
(13:13):
and what breast implant illnessreally was.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So I remember you mentioned and I was going to
write it down, so why don't yougive it to me now?
What is that website that youtalked about where people can go
and start digging into it?
I can go back and listen to ourepisode again and make sure
yeah, let's play.
I remember you saying that wasa great resource for women.
It's a really great resource.
Yeah, listening, staying.
(13:37):
You're like, oh geez well,symptoms, terry said you know
like what else is on that list.
So I'll post both the symptomslist and the website that you
mentioned and there's.
I know you mentioned a coupleof doctors.
I'll make sure everybody hasthat information very readily
accessible.
But how did you, what did thatconversation sound like when you
(13:58):
started saying, hey, I thinkI'm going to, I think I'm going
to have my implants taken out?
Do you remember theconversation?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, I think the conversations were these are the
things that I'm finding, here'swhat I'm reading, here's where
and again, we can call thingswhatever you want to call them.
For me you can.
You know, somebody can call itgut instinct.
For me, I was like here's wherethe spirit is nudging me,
(14:26):
showing me things that I feel Ineed to know, and so all of that
, for me, was enough to say tomy husband or to you know,
whoever I was talking to, I havedone enough research, I have
asked enough questions.
The Holy Spirit has moved meenough that I'm ready to make
this leap and make this decisionfor myself, because I want to
(14:48):
live longer.
I want to live longer, yeah,and any form of toxicity that I
can work on removing, this is abig one, this is a big toxic
form, so I want it out.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I kind of watched the evolution for you happen on
Facebook a little bit, where youwere talking about, you know,
the more holistic things thatyou and your family were doing,
and I don't I mean as much as Irespected what you were saying I
don't think I was ready toreceive that message yet because
you know, I love perfume, Ilove my house to smell pretty, I
(15:23):
love scented body lotion, youknow like the whole thing.
So I mean I think I just kindof like stuck it over here on a
shelf and it was like gosh youknow Tiffany is, she's so smart,
like this is so interesting,but I didn't take any action on
it and I think what is like beenon my mind for the last couple
of months and the reason Ireached out to you again to
bring this back up was because Idon't know if you saw on
(15:44):
Facebook that Brian and I werein a pretty serious motorcycle
accident back in May and I'msorry, I yeah, yeah, rough time.
But one of the things thathappened as a result of the
accident was I had a very soreleft breast and that's where all
my injuries were on my leftside.
They also found like a noduleon my thyroid during my CAT scan
(16:07):
in the emergency room, and soI've had this host of things
going on.
You know, for several monthsnow that I've kind of just been
dealing with one by one.
My husband had a cancer scare,you know we just kind of been
going through the gamut and soit's been, and this is an excuse
, just so you all know it's beenan excuse for me to kind of
ignore the fact that I couldhave ruptured my implant in that
(16:30):
fall.
I mean, I had a prettysignificant swollen red area on
my left breast for a while and Iremember I kind of been keeping
an eye on it.
But I kind of remember yousaying and I was definitely
there when I listened to ourlive episode this morning it's
(16:50):
really hard to detect if youeven have a small tiny little
tear.
So I haven't, you would neverknow yeah, I haven't taken any
action, but I have started doingmy research.
In addition, that informationthat you talked about so many
years ago, with the toxicity youknow, has been taken off my
shelf and planted right in frontof my face in many different
ways and I am really starting tolook at things like external
(17:16):
things that you can control,like not storing your food in
plastic, not wearing toxictheodorants and all these things
right, you know that can leadto so many health problems.
For us, what you mentioned, youknow, being in an inflammatory
state leads to all these disease, and so I've been kind of
facing this decision myselfwhether or not I'm going to have
(17:40):
these implants taken out, andit's not an easy decision.
No, it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I made it sound easy when I just said those things,
but it took me.
It was about a three yearprocess for me to make the
decision.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, and then yeah, and decide where you were going
to go.
I know you went to California,right?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I did, yeah, and I don't regret it.
I have, since then, coachedmany women through this who have
chosen to take pieces of myadvice and not others, and one
of the pieces of advice is thedoctors yeah, taking one that we
know has ultimate success.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And when they had chosen to go a cheaper route or,
unfortunately, you know thecircumstances present themselves
to be, not so great, right,because you said if they don't
get the well, I forgot what youcalled it, the capsule Capsule,
yeah, and you're still left withthe all the chemicals,
obstecity, okay, gotcha, yeah,absolutely.
(18:45):
So you made this decision, youwent to California, you know you
had some support of a closegirlfriend, which was awesome,
yeah, what was it likeafterwards?
Like, is it the same kind ofpain you go through when you
have your implants put in thefirst place, or is it different?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Way harder, oh, geez, Way harder.
Yeah, but I already knew thepain because of breast reduction
is the same exact surgery as antransplant.
Same exact surgery.
So it was with the implantsthat I remember correctly.
It was like it felt like acouple of weeks and I was like
golden, something I mean.
I didn't.
I don't remember it being badat all for the implants, the X
(19:24):
plans.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Mine might have been more, a little more painful,
because I had a lift andimplants.
Okay, because, okay, like, ifyou just lift, then you end up
with this concave area, yeah, soyou know, I never had any
intention of getting implants, Ijust wanted them to be back up
where they were supposed to be.
And once he told me about theconcave, look, I was like, okay,
I guess I'm getting implants,but I think those muscles that
(19:47):
are involved with the liftprobably made it just a little
bit more painful.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
But yeah, I also had a lift with my ex-parent.
Oh, okay, yeah, they prettymuch tell you that you're going
to have to when you take out twobig bags.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay.
So this is kind of like theelephant in the room and it's a
tough question for me to askbecause I feel like it's really
nosy.
But so what options are yougiven?
Post-explet Like I mean, what'sit going to look like?
Because my mind is going backto avoiding myself in the mirror
because I didn't like the waythey looked when they were just
(20:23):
saggy.
So you know, then, when I thinkof like looking at something
that probably looks worse thansaggy, like how do you prepare
mentally for that?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And the thing is is they can't tell you what it's
going to look like.
But a good surgeon can do apretty dang good job.
But you know he I remember himsaying to me we need to really
consider if you're going to needa lift or not need a lift, and
so I need to do a little bitmore further examination to
really think do we need this ordoing that?
(20:55):
And he said absolutely you needit and here's why.
And I don't remember all themedical reasons and how, but
basically, if I didn't get that,there would be a significant
you know, not good lookingchester.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right, because yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So, but you know I I was at a point, though, terri,
where I I didn't really carethat much.
I was so ready to have them out, and my mindset, from the time
I had them in, has completelyshifted.
And I know every woman's on ajourney and I do not judge any
(21:37):
woman where they are.
But at this point I, of course,as a human woman, I have some
level of vanity.
You know, I like to wear makeup, I like to do my hair, I like
to wear, you know, clothes thatlook good on me, but I will not
make any decisions to doanything other than that, like
to tailor my body, anymore Forme.
(21:59):
My mindset is so different fromwhen I was there 10, 11, 12
years ago, and I play such a bigpart in all of it, you know.
So, hey, I can't tell you thatI really was like that worried
about it, okay, but one of thethings he said was, because of
your history reduction in plantsX plant you have a 50% chance
(22:23):
of your nipple turning black andfalling off.
Now, now that here's a livingdaylights out of me, okay, let's
, let's draw a line of vanityLike I don't know that I really
care about my boobs look likeyou know, when I have a hole
there, you know, or whenever Idon't want that, you know.
So that's the part that freakedme out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But here's a little TMI for you in the audience.
And so after I had my implants,one breast sort of went back to
normal as far as sensation, andmy left one.
I've never been able to reallyfeel anything there and what I
can feel doesn't feel so great.
So it's kind of like just leavethat one alone, let's just
(23:04):
pretend that one's not there.
You know, I had the same Yep.
So after, after X plant, didthey go back to where they were
before?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
or yeah, I mean they're pretty, they're pretty,
I like them, they did.
And if he did a great job,great job, I'm satisfied with
them.
The scarring's minimal.
You know I followed hisdirections for that and I
already had scarring from thereduction same scar, the anchor,
(23:35):
same thing may open up and thenaround the nipple, around the
nipple.
So I already had those scars.
But yeah, no more.
I mean, it's they, just they're.
They look fantastic, theyreally do, and I'm very pleased
with them.
The physical part of it, youknow I would give women some
(23:58):
advice when they're coming outof surgery.
That I did not do.
And so I have pain in both ofmy breasts and I had some nerve
issues and stuff like that, butnothing I can't deal with, it's
just I wish I would have donesome different things after the
surgery.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So three years post-X plant surgery.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Where do you think you've been on the emotional
scale of it, Like has it been alittle bit up and down or like
yeah, I like the right thing totell you would be to say yeah,
like, oh, I have my momentswhere I, I, oh, this dress that
I used to wear looks horrible.
I have not had that at.
(24:38):
I love the look of my breasts,the way that I the clothing and
how it falls, bathing suits andwhat they look like.
Like I have fully accepted Ijust I know I have not Now,
within the first, like you know,three, four months after, girl,
it is such an emotional journey, from the moment you make the
(25:02):
decision, have the surgeryscheduled, up to the days to
going through it, and then,months after it, it is I can't.
It's just so emotional.
There was so much, but onceit's kind of all done and you're
like you, you're like okay, nowthey, this is what they're
supposed to look like.
You know, if I had no, I had no, I wish I went back.
(25:24):
No, nothing regrets, I mean no,absolutely no regrets.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I remember you saying that it takes like one to I
think you said one to two yearsfor like a detox kind of thing.
So would you go into that justa little bit more?
Like what does that mean, likethe detox period?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, and you know, that's kind of what what is
being said in these rest andplant illness circles.
I guess I don't know that Inecessarily believe that fully,
but I think that you know, whenyou have a foreign object in
your body, your, your bodydoesn't want it there, it
(26:05):
doesn't want it there, and soit's going to do all these
things to try to push it out,but it can't push it out right.
And so, as that state happensover one year, 10 years,
whatever many years, as yourbody is in that constant state,
it's like it's doing otherthings right, like it's you have
(26:28):
chronic inflammation, it's youknow you have immune disorders,
you know all these other things,because it really wants to get
rid of that.
But you're not doing that.
And so I, when they say likeone to two years of detox, I
think what they're reallymeaning is like if you had any
remnants or if there was anyleakage or if there was anything
that had gotten out into yoursystem, that it would take that
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long for that to kind of detox.
But as far as our bodies areconcerned, girl, we are in a
constant state of detox and weshould be, yeah, hence I am so
like strong about limitingtoxicity in our bodies.
We're already getting toxicity,Even if I like, did everything
I could do, like I'm sitting outhere breathing in pollution.
I mean, you know that that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I feel like what you just said is so powerful because
I feel like, even when you'reintentional about it, like it
can overwhelm you.
Like it can overwhelm you whenyou think about all of the
toxicity.
And I listen to things and Iread things and I end up getting
so pissed off because you know,like the new spray that they're
(27:35):
putting on our fruits andvegetables, that can't be, can't
be taken on, you know, likethat pisses me off.
I should have a choice, youknow.
Yeah, so like you can get veryoverwhelmed, why don't you?
This is a great, this is agreat opportunity for you,
because I know you're soknowledgeable about it.
Like, what would you say to theperson who is just taking that
information they heard a coupleof years ago from their very
(27:56):
smart, beautiful friend and kindof put it on a shelf and now is
taking it back up like where itstarts?
And I mean, what kind of advicedo you have?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, that's my, my two words of advice baby steps,
yeah, that's it.
I love that.
I mean because you cannot like,if I look back at the last 12
years, however long we've beenin this lifestyle, you cannot do
all the things we've done in ayear to like you like.
Oh my gosh, you would be sooverwhelmed, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, you have a background in fitness, so you
know what it's like when youvery first start out a new
program.
If you think you're going toshow up at the gym five days a
week and work out for two hours,you're bound to fail.
You're going to fail becauseyou're going to get the answer
or you're not going to see theresults you really want to get,
and you're going to be like thisdoesn't work.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So yeah, I think baby steps and I think, like, if you
were like, okay, if there's, ifthere's 100 baby steps, where
do I start?
So the most important place tostart in priority is the things
you're putting in your mouth.
Okay, so that's medicationsover the counter, prescription
drugs.
That's why I started out withessential oils.
(29:07):
That was where my journeystarted, right there.
Essential oils, because I wason like six medications, okay,
and so that's where it started.
So you know, medications, food,right, food kind of go organic
as much as possible,specifically in meats that are
pumped full of.
I know it's more expensive andthat's what people say, but,
(29:28):
like, at the end of the day,meat is pumped full of steroids
and antibiotics and chemicalsand just, yeah, toxic, toxic
stuff.
So you know that first babystep is what you're sticking
right here in your mouth.
Yeah, I love it.
And then the second baby step isafter that is, the largest
organ in your body is your skin.
So it's what you're putting onyour body, in your skin, Our
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pores will literally take everychemical in Yep.
So those are the first two babystep priorities that I would
always kind of coach peoplethrough, and then from there,
man, you could just go down somerabbit holes for days.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So true.
I got down to rabbit hole oneday about I had read something
that nut milks like I have allthese additives and chemicals
and stuff in them, and so I kindof like I became a little
obsessed about it for a littlewhile.
But I just bought one of thosemachines that you can do at home
where you just put your ownnuts in there and you make your
(30:28):
own.
I use cashews, Like I have donealmonds too, but my preference
is cashews.
It is so darn delicious, Isn'tit?
Yeah, we used to have that.
It was not a sacrifice at all,no, and price-wise I think it's
a wash, I don't think.
I don't think it's any moreexpensive, or really probably
not that much less expensive.
It's definitely more convenientbecause I've run out of cashew
(30:53):
milk and had to run to the storeto get some, whereas now I can
just Absolutely.
I think it may get in fiveminutes, but I love that advice.
I love that advice.
I'm going to ask you to givethe listeners one more piece of
advice and then I have twoquestions to kind of throw at
you.
And so if you're listeningtoday and you are thinking about
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getting implants or you havethem and you're thinking, some
of this information is startingto settle into my spear a little
bit.
What advice do you give thoseladies?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Number one just do your research.
And I think it's easy to say,well, I did.
I would always say do yourresearch on both sides of the
opinion polls Right, like a lotof people are like well, I'm so
bent on this decision.
(31:52):
I've done my research on whyit's okay.
My recommendation is always digon the other side too, why it's
not okay.
Because sometimes we just start, we don't want to.
It's a fear, we don't want toknow what we're going to find.
I just want to stay with what Iknow I'm going to do and I feel
good about the research I'vedone on this side.
So always do two sides of theresearch.
(32:15):
And I think the other thing istoo Terri.
Like we're sitting here talkingabout medical this and whether
or not to do it.
I think it all starts with andI have a book here in my hand
that I think that every womanshould have in their portal.
It's called you Can Heal yourLife by Louise Hayes.
(32:36):
And I think it all starts Terri,with how we talk to ourselves
and what we believe aboutourselves, because at the end of
the day, I'm not going to judgeany woman for making a choice
for vanity, and I would alwayscaution us to question what's
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the thing behind the thing?
What is the thing behind thething?
Why are we doing what we'redoing?
Because I think a lot of it islike the universe totally
supports us in every thought wechoose to think and believe.
Our subconscious mind acceptswhatever we choose to believe.
So if we believe that we're notgood enough, if we believe we
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need bigger boobs to secure adate, if we believe we need
bigger boobs to feel good aboutourselves, and then our
subconscious mind is going tosupport that, and so part of it
(33:42):
is just rewiring our brain,rewiring our neural pathways, to
believe that we are enough, weare loved, we are wanted, we're
seen, we're enough, we're lovedand all those things like and
the only way to do that is tocontinuously, day in and day out
, have a practice in place whereyou are telling yourself a new
story, telling yourself a newstory, and that's what this book
(34:07):
is about.
It's incredible and I have beenon this journey for a couple of
years now and really beingpurposeful about I've got
stickies on my mirror all thethings about just positive
affirmations and what I need tospeak to myself because we can
rewire our brains and what wethink about ourselves, and so
(34:27):
that's kind of the second partof the coin.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Absolutely agree with that, 100%, absolutely.
That was awesome.
All right, so here's my twoquestions for you as we wrap up
today what's one thing thatmakes you feel most connected to
your own body, to your own self?
What's the one thing?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, no, that's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Um, I think you might have already said it in your
previous answer, buds.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
No, I mean yes, and I know this is going to sound
really strange Um, and maybe ahow-so, but one of the things
that makes me feel veryconnected to my body is music,
oh, how-so, Whether I'm playingit guitar, whether I'm singing,
whether I'm dancing, it is likethose moments are the moments
(35:24):
that I'm so in tune with my bodyand how comfortable I am.
How it moves, how it canproject, how it can share beauty
with so many people, like andwords in music and how they
affirm because I only really doChristian music mostly but how
they can affirm who you werecreated to be and how you're
(35:47):
good enough, where you are, Like, just all the things about
music that really, um, make mefeel like I am who I am supposed
to be in my body and it'sperfect.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I love that answer and this is one.
You're not my typical podcastguest, but I think you can
answer this question.
So who do you know that shouldbe a guest on our show, or what
topic would you like to see onour show, Mmm?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Um, I have someone, do you?
Yeah, oh yeah.
So the friend that went throughthis, all the surgery, with me.
She's been my best friend for15 years and she has been a
really pivotal part of my mentalgrowth.
I have seen her grow incredibly, like over 15 years, and so
(36:41):
she's also a certified well, Idon't know if she's practicing,
but she's a certified NLP coach,which is neurolinguistic, yeah,
and so she's so good at like,when you're going through
something or saying somethingabout yourself, she kind of
helps to coach you.
To bring that back full circle,and I just think that what she
(37:05):
has to say in a lot ofsituations is so wise and so
powerful, and so she'd be anincredible guest.
I have a little on my phone.
You know the notepad you knowyou have on your phone, yeah,
and it's called the ElizabethJournal, where you collect all
the little tidbits.
I'll be good things.
I'm like wait, hold on.
I got to put that there.
I mean like a book on my phoneabout it.
(37:26):
But yeah, I just think shewould be.
I wish more more women hadsomeone like her.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, I do too.
I do too, You'll have to.
You'll have to make thatconnection for sure, because she
sounds like she would be agreat guest.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, tiffany, I know you've got other things to do
today.
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your busy schedule
to be with me.
I appreciate your candor andyour braveness and your
authenticity every single timewe talk, and just thank you for
being here with me today.
Thank you, terri, I appreciateyou I mean, I so wish you could
(38:00):
have met my friend Tiffany.
It was such a great interview.
I wanted to have you just joinme for a few minutes and I
wanted to hear some of yourthoughts on the interview.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah, I loved listening to it.
I was getting my steps in andlistening to her story and one
of the things that I noticedright away is that she's gone
through this evolution where hervoice she refers to as her
spirit, like her spirit reallyled her and she kept listening
to her voice about the changesthat she wanted to make in her
body, and I know that that's oneof the things that we really
(38:32):
want women to recognize.
The best version of yourself isreally when you can listen and
pay attention and respond towhat your body is saying to you.
Yeah, I think that's struggle.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I think, it's a struggle for me, for sure, you
know, like I don't.
I can't sit here and tell ouraudience or tell you and feel
good about myself if I don'tadmit that some days I wake up
and I have no problems when Ilook in the mirror at my body,
and other days I'm just like, oh, I don't like how my body is
changing.
(39:04):
I feel like I'm so out ofcontrol.
And so I do sort of understandthat push and pull feeling that
we feel as women, you know,especially if you're in the
public eye or like you stand upin front of a classroom and
teach or whatever, and peopleare looking at you and you want
to be your best.
And you know, where do we sortof draw the line between what
(39:29):
makes us feel good aboutourselves and what is like too
much?
Speaker 4 (39:33):
you know, and I don't think Tiffany necessarily had
that struggle, but I think Iwould probably have that
struggle, yeah and I thinkthat's one of the things that I
learned from that episode isthat every woman is on her own
journey and the decisions thatshe made for herself.
She was in no way shape or formtrying to like push any of her
decisions on anyone else.
She was just saying this iswhat I experienced, and maybe
(39:55):
you have had a similarexperience and if you have here
some resources it was a lovelyconversation and I think you
know one way that we can know ifit's if it's maladaptive or
adaptive.
If it's adaptive, it means thatwe're making conscious choices
and that we really care about itand so we think about it.
If it's maladaptive, it's apreoccupation and we can't get
other things done because we'reso preoccupied by the subject.
(40:17):
So if you have this likepreoccupation with your body and
you can't get through your daybecause it's always in your mind
, then that's kind of anotherlevel that I would see
counseling for.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, I like that.
I don't think I've ever heardthose two terms before.
I think you're for sharing thatI think even you know, as I was
sharing with Tiffany, you knowthat I had that moment after my
accident that I wondered youknow, did I rupture my implant?
And I still don't have ananswer for that question.
But I think the bigger answeris you know, can I go have them
(40:50):
removed and be as happy as sheseemed to be with the final
outcome?
I hope I can, yeah, but youknow, I don't know if a lot of
women know that you're supposedto have your implants replaced
every 10 to 12 years.
So I'll be coming up on that 10to 12 years and just a couple
of years, and I really am, youknow, leaning towards just
(41:14):
getting them taken out.
You know you can do like fattransfer.
I follow a doctor on Instagramand he has great results with
fat transfer, even with womenwho don't have very much body
fat.
That that's a route that womencould consider.
But I mean, she just seems sohappy.
I'm just I'm trying to picturethat.
You know it was a decision forher to come to have a removed.
(41:39):
She said three years.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
And I was really listening to you listen to her,
because it was interesting forme to observe you listening to
her, because I know that that'sbeen something that really
helped you gain confidence whenyou were at a certain place in
your life and you felt like youneeded something that would, you
know, just be reflective of howyou want to feel, and I know
(42:03):
that you've been really happywith your decision for the most
part.
So you know.
That's why I really wantlisteners to know that every
woman has a different journey,and this was, this was her
journey.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
So now, before you listen tothis today, what was your level
of exposure to this kind ofinformation?
And you heard much about breastimplant illness.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yes, I had heard about it.
I think I've seen shows.
When I was younger, I was whatI call flat as a pancake, and so
I always dreamed about havingbreast implants.
And then over the years, Iwould say I'm going to do it and
I never did it.
And now I'm glad I didn't do it, which which is interesting,
because I think like if youthink back on all the things you
(42:44):
thought you wanted, if you justkind of wait and be patient and
just really make sure thatthat's really what you want,
your decision could be different.
If you had some patients.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
But then I know other women that, like I, have a
female right now in my mind andI'm like best decision ever, no
regrets, best choice of my life,love it, you know so yeah, I
have a friend who her breastswere very different sizes I mean
like extreme, and she she hadimplants and she's thrilled,
(43:19):
she's happy, like she doesn'thave to worry about when she
wears a swimsuit If she, youknow, puts something in the you
know in the one, you know partof the swimsuit and relieves it
out or you know whatever shejust she's so happy with it and
she's so, so much different fromme.
Again, talking about the wholejourney, like I have been told,
starting to talk about it on thepodcast, I really kind of kept
(43:40):
it a secret.
It wasn't something that I wentaround telling just anybody.
I shared with my friends.
I remember when we were at yourhouse for my bachelor or bridal
shower, I think it was.
You know I shared with thatgroup because that was our.
You know, that was our littlegroup for quite a while, but I
didn't go around sharing witheverybody.
And I remember when we were inCancun and you were posting some
(44:03):
pictures on Facebook orsomething, you asked me if it
was okay and I was like, justdon't show my boobs, like I
don't, I don't necessarilyreally want the whole world to
see them.
It was always more about how Ifelt about myself.
And you know what's interestingis, after I got done talking to
her, I started thinking aboutyou know how our values play
into it and I was thinking, gosh, this is where my values are
(44:25):
probably really like, like youknow, one of my terms say
colliding a little bit, becauseyou know, I have this value for
health and some of the thingsher and I were talking in there
about toxicity and stuff, andI've been really like
reevaluating some of the thingsthat I do.
I do Botox, you know, and so I'mlike, okay, really want to be
healthy, but I really still wantto look youthful and attractive
(44:49):
.
I mean she talked about thevanity thing.
I admit I have the vanity thing.
You know, beauty is somethingthat's very important to me.
I love flowers and beautifulthings and so, yeah, I think you
know, we probably need to admitto ourselves a little bit when
our values kind of collide, andthis is, this is tough, all
these decisions.
And I love how she said justtake small steps, because it can
(45:13):
be overwhelming to make big,huge decisions about your life,
whether it's whether you'regoing to stop Botox or you're
going to stop spraying perfumeon yourself all the time.
I like how she said just, youknow, take it, take it slow.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah, she does a lot of research.
I really liked that about her.
She said do research on bothsides, and even sides that you
haven't thought about yet,because you can pretty much find
things on either side.
So just keep digging until andthen she goes back to like that
inner voice Keep digging untilthat inner voice and your spirit
is telling you, like this isthe right choice.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, so I think the listeners will yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I think the listeners will enjoy the episode,
especially if they have implantsor they've been thinking about
getting implants.
It's another piece of thepuzzle that would be great for
every woman to listen to.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I think so too.
Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yeah, absolutely have a great day.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You too, talk soon.
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Does that ever happen to you?
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Yeah, I call it brain .
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Speaker 2 (49:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Tiffany, my friend, thank you so much for joining me
today.
Yes, you're welcome.
So good to be back with you.
It's been a while, but you andI did an Instagram Live.
I think you said it's been liketwo years ago now.
Right, as you said it was, yeah.
So just let's give ourlisteners just a little bit of
background.
(00:50):
We talked on the Instagram Liveabout how do we get to the place
where, as women, I want to talkin general a little bit, but I
also want to talk both you and Ilike our individual feelings.
Like society puts a lot ofpressure on women, and even more
so as we age in some ways, thatwe feel like we need to make
decisions about our body,whether it's Botox or Implants
(01:14):
or Tummy Tux or whatever theyare facelifts, you name it.
So many things we can do toourselves to keep up this
feeling Like I don't know.
How are we still valuable?
Do we still look attractive?
What is our place in this worldand how does our looks fit into
(01:34):
that?
So can we just visit a littlefor a few minutes about where
you were when you made thedecision to get your implants in
the first place?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, that's a really great question, because as I
was thinking about thisconversation, I had to think
back to that, because it wouldhave been 13 or 14 years ago
that I had them put in.
So there was kind of tworeasons for that.
One was 15 years prior to thatI had had a reduction, because
(02:06):
growing up I was so large and soI had a reduction.
When I had the reduction therewas too much taken out and so I
was left with really nothing.
So for me, part of it was well,I'm supposed I'm a woman, I'm
supposed to have something, so Ijust want something little so
that I can have something.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Part of it was that so I think you said you're about
20-ish when you had thereduction.
Uh-huh yeah, what does thatfeel like at the 20-year-old to
see your body change sodrastically?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, it was so emotional Because that's all I
knew.
I mean, I think I had largebreasts from like 12 years old
or something.
So it was what I knew growingup.
But yeah, it was such anemotional experience.
And every time we change ourbodies or alter our bodies in
(02:57):
any way, shape or form, it is anemotional experience because
there's so many emotions tied tothings with it.
So, yeah, when I had thereduction, it was such.
I just remember feeling suchjoy Because to me it was so
painful for so long and I gotmade fun of and just all the
things that brought a lot ofsadness and anger.
(03:19):
So when I had the reduction andI was just so full of joy, I
just remember looking in themirror for the first time and
falling because I was just sohappy that I wasn't going to be
teased anymore, I wasn't goingto be in pain anymore, all the
things.
So it was a good experience forme then.
(03:39):
Good.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So then fast forward.
How many years was it laterthat now you're in this mindset
where I need some breasts, Ineed some bigger boobs.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
here it was about probably 12 or no, probably
about 11 or 12,.
Yeah, because I had thereduction and they did a good
job, but I continued to loseweight, which was another part
of my history.
I was very overweight Mom grewup very overweight, kid, all
that so I continued to loseweight and that's when just all
(04:11):
disappeared.
Then I had nothing, yeah,nothing.
So, yeah, I was about 10 or 11or 12 years later, probably.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So, okay, so you haven't removed, you lose a
bunch of weight.
Now you're dissatisfied withyour body for a totally
different reason and yeah, I'mnot laughing at you, believe me,
I just left me, oh, I know.
And so then you decide I'm nothappy with my body again.
So now I'm going to make thisreally life-altering decision to
(04:40):
get implants put in, and wediscussed this on the Instagram
Live that you and I did a coupleyears ago, which I'm going to
link in the show notes so thatthe listeners can go back and
listen to the entire history,because we're just kind of
glossing over some of it here.
So you said in that InstagramLive that part of the reason
that you did it was because youwere kind of seeking outer
(05:03):
approval.
You weren't at the place, youweren't the Tiffany yet that I
knew when I first met you, whereyou had so much confidence.
So at the time when you gotthem put in, I think I remember
you saying like you just wereseeking some outside validation
and that came through.
My body is rocking and allother aspects, but I just really
feel like I need some boobs.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, you know, when you go through that, when you go
through quite a significantchange especially when someone's
on a weight loss journey youknow and you go through that.
You know I used to be over 200pounds and on a 5-2 frame for me
that was extremely overweight,and so you go through this, you
go through this journey and whenyou finally hit a point where
(05:46):
you're like I'm satisfied withwhere I'm at, then you're like
wait a second, what else is whatelse?
Wait, this is now, this is outof proportion, or this is, oh,
I'm not satisfied with this.
So now I need to do this.
So, yeah, you know I had doneso much work on myself and that
was the one thing that was leftand I was like, well, just not
comfortable with this.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, when you say you did the work on yourself
, do you mean your physical body, or do you also were you also
starting to get introspective atthat point about the inside?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
not yet, oh no, none of that.
No, it was all my physical bodyworking on my physical body.
I had no idea, Like when yousaid, you know, 10 years ago,
when you had those put in, wherewas your?
You know, what was yourreasoning?
Like I mean, I had no mentalstate of being secure in any way
.
My identity was found in beingaccepted by others.
(06:37):
My identity was found in, youknow, looking good and feeling
like I needed to be loved bypeople and all that stuff, which
is not that today, but that'swhat it was then.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And I remember from our live interview on Instagram
that you said you never feltlike you needed to hide that you
had it done.
So what was that like to like?
Go back into the workplaceafter?
And I'm sure yours was obvious,right, Wasn't it obvious?
Because you were thin?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So small.
The implants were small C's.
It's not like they were big,but I'm sure people noticed but
I wasn't like you know like.
But if people would ask, Iwould just be honest and say,
yeah, this is why this is myjourney.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, my experience is different.
So, like you, I had, you knowI'd had four children.
And well, you didn't have fourchildren.
I had four children and youknow, had gone through the whole
weight gain, weight loss,weight gain, weight loss, the
whole thing and then breastfedmy younger child and when she
was about 10, I think it waswhen I got divorced and I did
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the divorce diet and lost a tonof weight, about 55 pounds, and
you know, looking at myself inthe mirror was kind of painful,
like just the way they look, myway my breasts looked.
I was just just.
I didn't even want to look atmyself in the mirror and I never
felt like and I was with Brian,my husband now I was with him
(08:06):
at this point.
I never felt like he made mefeel any less desirable, but I
had these feelings of if I couldjust gain a little more
confidence there and look at me.
Even now I'm like wanting tolearn.
If you're watching this onYouTube, I'm like trying to
cover up my.
It was never about anybody else, it was always about me and how
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I felt about myself.
So I think you know in someways we're the same and in some
ways you know we're different,and we acknowledge this on our
live talk, where every womanarrives at this point in the
journey for very, very differentreasons.
And oh, absolutely.
You and I are not here to judgeanybody or convince anybody
(08:49):
that the way we feel about it isthe way they should feel about
it.
I just believe that when we haveinformation, as people, we are
empowered then to make our owndecisions, and so I had you on
the live because I was shocked,first of all because I guess I
didn't know that you hadimplants at the time to begin
with Not any reason you wouldhave ever told me, but that you
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were so brave to go public andkind of talk about this.
And you know, since our talk twoyears ago, I feel like it's
becoming more and more prevalentthat people are talking about
this.
Before we start recording today, I told you that I had this
list of symptoms for breastplant illness and I just quickly
(09:33):
went through it just to kind ofsee like could these be easily
missed in comes by most women,and 19 of the symptoms on this
list are things that I thinkwomen heading into midlife, in
perimenopause or menopause, theycould very well be experiencing
some of these symptoms, and sothey might be missing, that
(09:54):
they're related to breastimplant illness.
Breast implant illness thoseare three hard words to say
together for some reason, rightimplant yeah yeah, yeah, but I
mean, look at where.
I'm not going to read all ofthem, I'm going to gloss over
them real quick.
But like that, like whatmiddle-aged woman do you know?
That's not to hear.
Let's see, I got to put myglasses on.
(10:16):
Let's see what else.
Brain fog, muscle pain andweakness, joint pain and
soreness, weight gain, lowlibido, estrogen imbalance, body
odor, which you know.
Your pH level changes as you gothrough perimenopause and
menopause, so I could see thatfor sure.
What else?
(10:36):
Premature aging, decline invision you and I were talking
about before we recorded, I wastelling you my, I need my
glasses more now than everDigestic issues, depression,
mood swings, anxiety.
I mean I think allperimenopausal and menopausal
women are talking about thisshit.
You know this is what we're allgoing through.
(10:57):
So it is.
Let's go back to when you youhad married Billy by this point,
and you had, you know, startedseeking out a relationship with
Jesus Christ.
You shared, and so your mind isnow starting to catch up with
where your body was.
And how did that lead you todiscover that you potentially
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had breast implant illness?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I don't know that that part led me to discover
that.
I think that's kind of aseparate entity, you know.
As to the decision to actuallyexplain them, okay, but just
like you said, we are just in aday and age where everything is
so easily accessible to us now,mm-hmm, everything, every topic
(11:48):
in the world.
Where it used to be, we onlyknew one side of it.
Now we can know 12 angles of it, right, easily easily.
And so, as stuff just kind ofstarted to pop up on social
media, I wouldn't even have evensaid, oh, I have symptoms, I
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mean, because it was just mynormal life, it's just what I
knew it to be.
Right, as you said, I wasgetting older as well, I had had
kids, you know it's, and so allthose hormonal changes and
things like that.
So I would have never said, oh,it's breast implant illness.
But as things started popping up, I started reading, you know,
and seeing more things.
(12:29):
And you know, at the time Istarted, this is when we started
going more of a natural routein our life, in our lifestyle,
you know, more holistic naturalroute.
And so my functional medicinedoctor was like bringing things
to my attention and just youknow, just you know how you like
.
You see a red car, you buy ared car and you see that same
car everywhere, like yes, that'skind of what started happening
(12:51):
and I was like okay, wait asecond.
And it wasn't big brother on myphone Now I'm going to get all
these messages now about allthis but it wasn't that you know
so well.
So I think I was just gettingmore educated.
I was getting more educatedabout things that were possible
symptoms and signs that werepossible from breast implants
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and what breast implant illnessreally was.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So I remember you mentioned and I was going to
write it down, so why don't yougive it to me now?
What is that website that youtalked about where people can go
and start digging into it?
I can go back and listen to ourepisode again and make sure
yeah, let's play.
I remember you saying that wasa great resource for women.
It's a really great resource.
Yeah, listening, staying.
(13:37):
You're like, oh geez well,symptoms, terry said you know
like what else is on that list.
So I'll post both the symptomslist and the website that you
mentioned and there's.
I know you mentioned a coupleof doctors.
I'll make sure everybody hasthat information very readily
accessible.
But how did you, what did thatconversation sound like when you
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started saying, hey, I thinkI'm going to, I think I'm going
to have my implants taken out?
Do you remember theconversation?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, I think the conversations were these are the
things that I'm finding, here'swhat I'm reading, here's where
and again, we can call thingswhatever you want to call them.
For me you can.
You know, somebody can call itgut instinct.
For me, I was like here's wherethe spirit is nudging me,
(14:26):
showing me things that I feel Ineed to know, and so all of that
, for me, was enough to say tomy husband or to you know,
whoever I was talking to, I havedone enough research, I have
asked enough questions.
The Holy Spirit has moved meenough that I'm ready to make
this leap and make this decisionfor myself, because I want to
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live longer.
I want to live longer, yeah,and any form of toxicity that I
can work on removing, this is abig one, this is a big toxic
form, so I want it out.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I kind of watched the evolution for you happen on
Facebook a little bit, where youwere talking about, you know,
the more holistic things thatyou and your family were doing,
and I don't I mean as much as Irespected what you were saying I
don't think I was ready toreceive that message yet because
you know, I love perfume, Ilove my house to smell pretty, I
(15:23):
love scented body lotion, youknow like the whole thing.
So I mean I think I just kindof like stuck it over here on a
shelf and it was like gosh youknow Tiffany is, she's so smart,
like this is so interesting,but I didn't take any action on
it and I think what is like beenon my mind for the last couple
of months and the reason Ireached out to you again to
bring this back up was because Idon't know if you saw on
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Facebook that Brian and I werein a pretty serious motorcycle
accident back in May and I'msorry, I yeah, yeah, rough time.
But one of the things thathappened as a result of the
accident was I had a very soreleft breast and that's where all
my injuries were on my leftside.
They also found like a noduleon my thyroid during my CAT scan
(16:07):
in the emergency room, and soI've had this host of things
going on.
You know, for several monthsnow that I've kind of just been
dealing with one by one.
My husband had a cancer scare,you know we just kind of been
going through the gamut and soit's been, and this is an excuse
, just so you all know it's beenan excuse for me to kind of
ignore the fact that I couldhave ruptured my implant in that
(16:30):
fall.
I mean, I had a prettysignificant swollen red area on
my left breast for a while and Iremember I kind of been keeping
an eye on it.
But I kind of remember yousaying and I was definitely
there when I listened to ourlive episode this morning it's
(16:50):
really hard to detect if youeven have a small tiny little
tear.
So I haven't, you would neverknow yeah, I haven't taken any
action, but I have started doingmy research.
In addition, that informationthat you talked about so many
years ago, with the toxicity youknow, has been taken off my
shelf and planted right in frontof my face in many different
ways and I am really starting tolook at things like external
(17:16):
things that you can control,like not storing your food in
plastic, not wearing toxictheodorants and all these things
right, you know that can leadto so many health problems.
For us, what you mentioned, youknow, being in an inflammatory
state leads to all these disease, and so I've been kind of
facing this decision myselfwhether or not I'm going to have
(17:40):
these implants taken out, andit's not an easy decision.
No, it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I made it sound easy when I just said those things,
but it took me.
It was about a three yearprocess for me to make the
decision.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, and then yeah, and decide where you were going
to go.
I know you went to California,right?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I did, yeah, and I don't regret it.
I have, since then, coachedmany women through this who have
chosen to take pieces of myadvice and not others, and one
of the pieces of advice is thedoctors yeah, taking one that we
know has ultimate success.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And when they had chosen to go a cheaper route or,
unfortunately, you know thecircumstances present themselves
to be, not so great, right,because you said if they don't
get the well, I forgot what youcalled it, the capsule Capsule,
yeah, and you're still left withthe all the chemicals,
obstecity, okay, gotcha, yeah,absolutely.
(18:45):
So you made this decision, youwent to California, you know you
had some support of a closegirlfriend, which was awesome,
yeah, what was it likeafterwards?
Like, is it the same kind ofpain you go through when you
have your implants put in thefirst place, or is it different?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Way harder, oh, geez, Way harder.
Yeah, but I already knew thepain because of breast reduction
is the same exact surgery as antransplant.
Same exact surgery.
So it was with the implantsthat I remember correctly.
It was like it felt like acouple of weeks and I was like
golden, something I mean.
I didn't.
I don't remember it being badat all for the implants, the X
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plans.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Mine might have been more, a little more painful,
because I had a lift andimplants.
Okay, because, okay, like, ifyou just lift, then you end up
with this concave area, yeah, soyou know, I never had any
intention of getting implants, Ijust wanted them to be back up
where they were supposed to be.
And once he told me about theconcave, look, I was like, okay,
I guess I'm getting implants,but I think those muscles that
(19:47):
are involved with the liftprobably made it just a little
bit more painful.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
But yeah, I also had a lift with my ex-parent.
Oh, okay, yeah, they prettymuch tell you that you're going
to have to when you take out twobig bags.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay.
So this is kind of like theelephant in the room and it's a
tough question for me to askbecause I feel like it's really
nosy.
But so what options are yougiven?
Post-explet Like I mean, what'sit going to look like?
Because my mind is going backto avoiding myself in the mirror
because I didn't like the waythey looked when they were just
(20:23):
saggy.
So you know, then, when I thinkof like looking at something
that probably looks worse thansaggy, like how do you prepare
mentally for that?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And the thing is is they can't tell you what it's
going to look like.
But a good surgeon can do apretty dang good job.
But you know he I remember himsaying to me we need to really
consider if you're going to needa lift or not need a lift, and
so I need to do a little bitmore further examination to
really think do we need this ordoing that?
(20:55):
And he said absolutely you needit and here's why.
And I don't remember all themedical reasons and how, but
basically, if I didn't get that,there would be a significant
you know, not good lookingchester.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right, because yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So, but you know I I was at a point, though, terri,
where I I didn't really carethat much.
I was so ready to have them out, and my mindset, from the time
I had them in, has completelyshifted.
And I know every woman's on ajourney and I do not judge any
(21:37):
woman where they are.
But at this point I, of course,as a human woman, I have some
level of vanity.
You know, I like to wear makeup, I like to do my hair, I like
to wear, you know, clothes thatlook good on me, but I will not
make any decisions to doanything other than that, like
to tailor my body, anymore Forme.
(21:59):
My mindset is so different fromwhen I was there 10, 11, 12
years ago, and I play such a bigpart in all of it, you know.
So, hey, I can't tell you thatI really was like that worried
about it, okay, but one of thethings he said was, because of
your history reduction in plantsX plant you have a 50% chance
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of your nipple turning black andfalling off.
Now, now that here's a livingdaylights out of me, okay, let's
, let's draw a line of vanityLike I don't know that I really
care about my boobs look likeyou know, when I have a hole
there, you know, or whenever Idon't want that, you know.
So that's the part that freakedme out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But here's a little TMI for you in the audience.
And so after I had my implants,one breast sort of went back to
normal as far as sensation, andmy left one.
I've never been able to reallyfeel anything there and what I
can feel doesn't feel so great.
So it's kind of like just leavethat one alone, let's just
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pretend that one's not there.
You know, I had the same Yep.
So after, after X plant, didthey go back to where they were
before?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
or yeah, I mean they're pretty, they're pretty,
I like them, they did.
And if he did a great job,great job, I'm satisfied with
them.
The scarring's minimal.
You know I followed hisdirections for that and I
already had scarring from thereduction same scar, the anchor,
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same thing may open up and thenaround the nipple, around the
nipple.
So I already had those scars.
But yeah, no more.
I mean, it's they, just they're.
They look fantastic, theyreally do, and I'm very pleased
with them.
The physical part of it, youknow I would give women some
(23:58):
advice when they're coming outof surgery.
That I did not do.
And so I have pain in both ofmy breasts and I had some nerve
issues and stuff like that, butnothing I can't deal with, it's
just I wish I would have donesome different things after the
surgery.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So three years post-X plant surgery.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Where do you think you've been on the emotional
scale of it, Like has it been alittle bit up and down or like
yeah, I like the right thing totell you would be to say yeah,
like, oh, I have my momentswhere I, I, oh, this dress that
I used to wear looks horrible.
I have not had that at.
(24:38):
I love the look of my breasts,the way that I the clothing and
how it falls, bathing suits andwhat they look like.
Like I have fully accepted Ijust I know I have not Now,
within the first, like you know,three, four months after, girl,
it is such an emotional journey, from the moment you make the
(25:02):
decision, have the surgeryscheduled, up to the days to
going through it, and then,months after it, it is I can't.
It's just so emotional.
There was so much, but onceit's kind of all done and you're
like you, you're like okay, nowthey, this is what they're
supposed to look like.
You know, if I had no, I had no, I wish I went back.
(25:24):
No, nothing regrets, I mean no,absolutely no regrets.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I remember you saying that it takes like one to I
think you said one to two yearsfor like a detox kind of thing.
So would you go into that justa little bit more?
Like what does that mean, likethe detox period?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, and you know, that's kind of what what is
being said in these rest andplant illness circles.
I guess I don't know that Inecessarily believe that fully,
but I think that you know, whenyou have a foreign object in
your body, your, your bodydoesn't want it there, it
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doesn't want it there, and soit's going to do all these
things to try to push it out,but it can't push it out right.
And so, as that state happensover one year, 10 years,
whatever many years, as yourbody is in that constant state,
it's like it's doing otherthings right, like it's you have
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chronic inflammation, it's youknow you have immune disorders,
you know all these other things,because it really wants to get
rid of that.
But you're not doing that.
And so I, when they say likeone to two years of detox, I
think what they're reallymeaning is like if you had any
remnants or if there was anyleakage or if there was anything
that had gotten out into yoursystem, that it would take that
(26:50):
long for that to kind of detox.
But as far as our bodies areconcerned, girl, we are in a
constant state of detox and weshould be, yeah, hence I am so
like strong about limitingtoxicity in our bodies.
We're already getting toxicity,Even if I like, did everything
I could do, like I'm sitting outhere breathing in pollution.
I mean, you know that that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I feel like what you just said is so powerful because
I feel like, even when you'reintentional about it, like it
can overwhelm you.
Like it can overwhelm you whenyou think about all of the
toxicity.
And I listen to things and Iread things and I end up getting
so pissed off because you know,like the new spray that they're
(27:35):
putting on our fruits andvegetables, that can't be, can't
be taken on, you know, likethat pisses me off.
I should have a choice, youknow.
Yeah, so like you can get veryoverwhelmed, why don't you?
This is a great, this is agreat opportunity for you,
because I know you're soknowledgeable about it.
Like, what would you say to theperson who is just taking that
information they heard a coupleof years ago from their very
(27:56):
smart, beautiful friend and kindof put it on a shelf and now is
taking it back up like where itstarts?
And I mean, what kind of advicedo you have?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, that's my, my two words of advice baby steps,
yeah, that's it.
I love that.
I mean because you cannot like,if I look back at the last 12
years, however long we've beenin this lifestyle, you cannot do
all the things we've done in ayear to like you like.
Oh my gosh, you would be sooverwhelmed, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, you have a background in fitness, so you
know what it's like when youvery first start out a new
program.
If you think you're going toshow up at the gym five days a
week and work out for two hours,you're bound to fail.
You're going to fail becauseyou're going to get the answer
or you're not going to see theresults you really want to get,
and you're going to be like thisdoesn't work.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So yeah, I think baby steps and I think, like, if you
were like, okay, if there's, ifthere's 100 baby steps, where
do I start?
So the most important place tostart in priority is the things
you're putting in your mouth.
Okay, so that's medicationsover the counter, prescription
drugs.
That's why I started out withessential oils.
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That was where my journeystarted, right there.
Essential oils, because I wason like six medications, okay,
and so that's where it started.
So you know, medications, food,right, food kind of go organic
as much as possible,specifically in meats that are
pumped full of.
I know it's more expensive andthat's what people say, but,
(29:28):
like, at the end of the day,meat is pumped full of steroids
and antibiotics and chemicalsand just, yeah, toxic, toxic
stuff.
So you know that first babystep is what you're sticking
right here in your mouth.
Yeah, I love it.
And then the second baby step isafter that is, the largest
organ in your body is your skin.
So it's what you're putting onyour body, in your skin, Our
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pores will literally take everychemical in Yep.
So those are the first two babystep priorities that I would
always kind of coach peoplethrough, and then from there,
man, you could just go down somerabbit holes for days.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So true.
I got down to rabbit hole oneday about I had read something
that nut milks like I have allthese additives and chemicals
and stuff in them, and so I kindof like I became a little
obsessed about it for a littlewhile.
But I just bought one of thosemachines that you can do at home
where you just put your ownnuts in there and you make your
(30:28):
own.
I use cashews, Like I have donealmonds too, but my preference
is cashews.
It is so darn delicious, Isn'tit?
Yeah, we used to have that.
It was not a sacrifice at all,no, and price-wise I think it's
a wash, I don't think.
I don't think it's any moreexpensive, or really probably
not that much less expensive.
It's definitely more convenientbecause I've run out of cashew
(30:53):
milk and had to run to the storeto get some, whereas now I can
just Absolutely.
I think it may get in fiveminutes, but I love that advice.
I love that advice.
I'm going to ask you to givethe listeners one more piece of
advice and then I have twoquestions to kind of throw at
you.
And so if you're listeningtoday and you are thinking about
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getting implants or you havethem and you're thinking, some
of this information is startingto settle into my spear a little
bit.
What advice do you give thoseladies?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Number one just do your research.
And I think it's easy to say,well, I did.
I would always say do yourresearch on both sides of the
opinion polls Right, like a lotof people are like well, I'm so
bent on this decision.
(31:52):
I've done my research on whyit's okay.
My recommendation is always digon the other side too, why it's
not okay.
Because sometimes we just start, we don't want to.
It's a fear, we don't want toknow what we're going to find.
I just want to stay with what Iknow I'm going to do and I feel
good about the research I'vedone on this side.
So always do two sides of theresearch.
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And I think the other thing istoo Terri.
Like we're sitting here talkingabout medical this and whether
or not to do it.
I think it all starts with andI have a book here in my hand
that I think that every womanshould have in their portal.
It's called you Can Heal yourLife by Louise Hayes.
(32:36):
And I think it all starts Terri,with how we talk to ourselves
and what we believe aboutourselves, because at the end of
the day, I'm not going to judgeany woman for making a choice
for vanity, and I would alwayscaution us to question what's
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the thing behind the thing?
What is the thing behind thething?
Why are we doing what we'redoing?
Because I think a lot of it islike the universe totally
supports us in every thought wechoose to think and believe.
Our subconscious mind acceptswhatever we choose to believe.
So if we believe that we're notgood enough, if we believe we
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need bigger boobs to secure adate, if we believe we need
bigger boobs to feel good aboutourselves, and then our
subconscious mind is going tosupport that, and so part of it
(33:42):
is just rewiring our brain,rewiring our neural pathways, to
believe that we are enough, weare loved, we are wanted, we're
seen, we're enough, we're lovedand all those things like and
the only way to do that is tocontinuously, day in and day out
, have a practice in place whereyou are telling yourself a new
story, telling yourself a newstory, and that's what this book
(34:07):
is about.
It's incredible and I have beenon this journey for a couple of
years now and really beingpurposeful about I've got
stickies on my mirror all thethings about just positive
affirmations and what I need tospeak to myself because we can
rewire our brains and what wethink about ourselves, and so
(34:27):
that's kind of the second partof the coin.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Absolutely agree with that, 100%, absolutely.
That was awesome.
All right, so here's my twoquestions for you as we wrap up
today what's one thing thatmakes you feel most connected to
your own body, to your own self?
What's the one thing?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, no, that's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Um, I think you might have already said it in your
previous answer, buds.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
No, I mean yes, and I know this is going to sound
really strange Um, and maybe ahow-so, but one of the things
that makes me feel veryconnected to my body is music,
oh, how-so, Whether I'm playingit guitar, whether I'm singing,
whether I'm dancing, it is likethose moments are the moments
(35:24):
that I'm so in tune with my bodyand how comfortable I am.
How it moves, how it canproject, how it can share beauty
with so many people, like andwords in music and how they
affirm because I only really doChristian music mostly but how
they can affirm who you werecreated to be and how you're
(35:47):
good enough, where you are, Like, just all the things about
music that really, um, make mefeel like I am who I am supposed
to be in my body and it'sperfect.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I love that answer and this is one.
You're not my typical podcastguest, but I think you can
answer this question.
So who do you know that shouldbe a guest on our show, or what
topic would you like to see onour show, Mmm?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Um, I have someone, do you?
Yeah, oh yeah.
So the friend that went throughthis, all the surgery, with me.
She's been my best friend for15 years and she has been a
really pivotal part of my mentalgrowth.
I have seen her grow incredibly, like over 15 years, and so
(36:41):
she's also a certified well, Idon't know if she's practicing,
but she's a certified NLP coach,which is neurolinguistic, yeah,
and so she's so good at like,when you're going through
something or saying somethingabout yourself, she kind of
helps to coach you.
To bring that back full circle,and I just think that what she
(37:05):
has to say in a lot ofsituations is so wise and so
powerful, and so she'd be anincredible guest.
I have a little on my phone.
You know the notepad you knowyou have on your phone, yeah,
and it's called the ElizabethJournal, where you collect all
the little tidbits.
I'll be good things.
I'm like wait, hold on.
I got to put that there.
I mean like a book on my phoneabout it.
(37:26):
But yeah, I just think shewould be.
I wish more more women hadsomeone like her.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, I do too.
I do too, You'll have to.
You'll have to make thatconnection for sure, because she
sounds like she would be agreat guest.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, tiffany, I know you've got other things to do
today.
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your busy schedule
to be with me.
I appreciate your candor andyour braveness and your
authenticity every single timewe talk, and just thank you for
being here with me today.
Thank you, terri, I appreciateyou I mean, I so wish you could
(38:00):
have met my friend Tiffany.
It was such a great interview.
I wanted to have you just joinme for a few minutes and I
wanted to hear some of yourthoughts on the interview.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah, I loved listening to it.
I was getting my steps in andlistening to her story and one
of the things that I noticedright away is that she's gone
through this evolution where hervoice she refers to as her
spirit, like her spirit reallyled her and she kept listening
to her voice about the changesthat she wanted to make in her
body, and I know that that's oneof the things that we really
(38:32):
want women to recognize.
The best version of yourself isreally when you can listen and
pay attention and respond towhat your body is saying to you.
Yeah, I think that's struggle.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I think, it's a struggle for me, for sure, you
know, like I don't.
I can't sit here and tell ouraudience or tell you and feel
good about myself if I don'tadmit that some days I wake up
and I have no problems when Ilook in the mirror at my body,
and other days I'm just like, oh, I don't like how my body is
changing.
(39:04):
I feel like I'm so out ofcontrol.
And so I do sort of understandthat push and pull feeling that
we feel as women, you know,especially if you're in the
public eye or like you stand upin front of a classroom and
teach or whatever, and peopleare looking at you and you want
to be your best.
And you know, where do we sortof draw the line between what
(39:29):
makes us feel good aboutourselves and what is like too
much?
Speaker 4 (39:33):
you know, and I don't think Tiffany necessarily had
that struggle, but I think Iwould probably have that
struggle, yeah and I thinkthat's one of the things that I
learned from that episode isthat every woman is on her own
journey and the decisions thatshe made for herself.
She was in no way shape or formtrying to like push any of her
decisions on anyone else.
She was just saying this iswhat I experienced, and maybe
(39:55):
you have had a similarexperience and if you have here
some resources it was a lovelyconversation and I think you
know one way that we can know ifit's if it's maladaptive or
adaptive.
If it's adaptive, it means thatwe're making conscious choices
and that we really care about itand so we think about it.
If it's maladaptive, it's apreoccupation and we can't get
other things done because we'reso preoccupied by the subject.
(40:17):
So if you have this likepreoccupation with your body and
you can't get through your daybecause it's always in your mind
, then that's kind of anotherlevel that I would see
counseling for.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, I like that.
I don't think I've ever heardthose two terms before.
I think you're for sharing thatI think even you know, as I was
sharing with Tiffany, you knowthat I had that moment after my
accident that I wondered youknow, did I rupture my implant?
And I still don't have ananswer for that question.
But I think the bigger answeris you know, can I go have them
(40:50):
removed and be as happy as sheseemed to be with the final
outcome?
I hope I can, yeah, but youknow, I don't know if a lot of
women know that you're supposedto have your implants replaced
every 10 to 12 years.
So I'll be coming up on that 10to 12 years and just a couple
of years, and I really am, youknow, leaning towards just
(41:14):
getting them taken out.
You know you can do like fattransfer.
I follow a doctor on Instagramand he has great results with
fat transfer, even with womenwho don't have very much body
fat.
That that's a route that womencould consider.
But I mean, she just seems sohappy.
I'm just I'm trying to picturethat.
You know it was a decision forher to come to have a removed.
(41:39):
She said three years.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
And I was really listening to you listen to her,
because it was interesting forme to observe you listening to
her, because I know that that'sbeen something that really
helped you gain confidence whenyou were at a certain place in
your life and you felt like youneeded something that would, you
know, just be reflective of howyou want to feel, and I know
(42:03):
that you've been really happywith your decision for the most
part.
So you know.
That's why I really wantlisteners to know that every
woman has a different journey,and this was, this was her
journey.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
So now, before you listen tothis today, what was your level
of exposure to this kind ofinformation?
And you heard much about breastimplant illness.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yes, I had heard about it.
I think I've seen shows.
When I was younger, I was whatI call flat as a pancake, and so
I always dreamed about havingbreast implants.
And then over the years, Iwould say I'm going to do it and
I never did it.
And now I'm glad I didn't do it, which which is interesting,
because I think like if youthink back on all the things you
(42:44):
thought you wanted, if you justkind of wait and be patient and
just really make sure thatthat's really what you want,
your decision could be different.
If you had some patients.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
But then I know other women that, like I, have a
female right now in my mind andI'm like best decision ever, no
regrets, best choice of my life,love it, you know so yeah, I
have a friend who her breastswere very different sizes I mean
like extreme, and she she hadimplants and she's thrilled,
(43:19):
she's happy, like she doesn'thave to worry about when she
wears a swimsuit If she, youknow, puts something in the you
know in the one, you know partof the swimsuit and relieves it
out or you know whatever shejust she's so happy with it and
she's so, so much different fromme.
Again, talking about the wholejourney, like I have been told,
starting to talk about it on thepodcast, I really kind of kept
(43:40):
it a secret.
It wasn't something that I wentaround telling just anybody.
I shared with my friends.
I remember when we were at yourhouse for my bachelor or bridal
shower, I think it was.
You know I shared with thatgroup because that was our.
You know, that was our littlegroup for quite a while, but I
didn't go around sharing witheverybody.
And I remember when we were inCancun and you were posting some
(44:03):
pictures on Facebook orsomething, you asked me if it
was okay and I was like, justdon't show my boobs, like I
don't, I don't necessarilyreally want the whole world to
see them.
It was always more about how Ifelt about myself.
And you know what's interestingis, after I got done talking to
her, I started thinking aboutyou know how our values play
into it and I was thinking, gosh, this is where my values are
(44:25):
probably really like, like youknow, one of my terms say
colliding a little bit, becauseyou know, I have this value for
health and some of the thingsher and I were talking in there
about toxicity and stuff, andI've been really like
reevaluating some of the thingsthat I do.
I do Botox, you know, and so I'mlike, okay, really want to be
healthy, but I really still wantto look youthful and attractive
(44:49):
.
I mean she talked about thevanity thing.
I admit I have the vanity thing.
You know, beauty is somethingthat's very important to me.
I love flowers and beautifulthings and so, yeah, I think you
know, we probably need to admitto ourselves a little bit when
our values kind of collide, andthis is, this is tough, all
these decisions.
And I love how she said justtake small steps, because it can
(45:13):
be overwhelming to make big,huge decisions about your life,
whether it's whether you'regoing to stop Botox or you're
going to stop spraying perfumeon yourself all the time.
I like how she said just, youknow, take it, take it slow.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah, she does a lot of research.
I really liked that about her.
She said do research on bothsides, and even sides that you
haven't thought about yet,because you can pretty much find
things on either side.
So just keep digging until andthen she goes back to like that
inner voice Keep digging untilthat inner voice and your spirit
is telling you, like this isthe right choice.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, so I think the listeners will yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I think the listeners will enjoy the episode,
especially if they have implantsor they've been thinking about
getting implants.
It's another piece of thepuzzle that would be great for
every woman to listen to.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I think so too.
Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yeah, absolutely have a great day.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You too, talk soon.
I mean, I don't know if thisever happens to you, but I
(48:48):
sometimes will learn somethingreally cool on a podcast, on a
YouTube video, audio book,whatever, I think.
I'm going to remember it andthen I forget.
Does that ever happen to you?
Speaker 4 (48:57):
Yeah, I call it brain .
After 40 all the time Lookthat's what we'll officially
call it.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
When we come up with something, do you want to
introduce it?
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Sure, it's from an app called Quick Jim Quick and
it's an acronym called FAST.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, in the F it stands for Facebook.
So we're inviting youofficially right now to come
over and join us on Facebook.
Get involved with the community, Share your favorite episodes
with your friends on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Yeah, the A is go ahead and take an action, so you
can't remember anything if youdon't act.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
And S is for subscribe.
Make sure you're subscribed toour YouTube channel.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And then T is teach.
Teach what you've learned tosomebody else.
Share the love.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
All right, we hope that works for you.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Bye-bye.
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