September 22, 2025 • 44 mins
The focus of this podcast episode is a critical examination of the film "A River Runs Through It," directed by Robert Redford and featuring Brad Pitt. We delve into the intricate dynamics between the two brothers portrayed in the film, exploring how their distinct personalities and life choices reflect broader themes of familial expectation and personal rebellion. Throughout our discussion, we express varying opinions on the film's pacing and the effectiveness of its narrative structure, particularly the use of voiceovers, which some of us find superfluous. Additionally, we share our sentiment regarding the performances of the cast, particularly noting the contrasting presence of Brad Pitt against his co-stars. Ultimately, this episode serves as an analysis of the film's storytelling and character development, alongside our personal reflections on its impact and resonance.
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Yeah, here's the thing.
You take me to sushi, I'llfind something to eat.
I'm sure they all have stuff.
Man, that's so.
I'll go fish.
I don't like fish.
That's just.
You're dead wrong.
We'll end it at that.
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Welcome to the what's a BirdiePodcast where we fashion ourselves
cinematic judge and jury.
My name is JJ cr I'm here withmy co host Matz and Heiner.
Better Red than Dead.
And Alec Burgess.
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We're week four, week four of September.
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I always forget there's fiveweeks this.
This time around.
Week four, September in BradPitt month, if you will.
And we're hitting it up with ARiver Runs through it.
It's released October 30, 1992.
It was written by NormanMcLean and Richard Friedenberg, star
or directed by Robert Redford.
RIP and then it stars BradPitt, Craig Schaefer, Tom Skerrett,
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Brenda Blethen, Emily Lloyd,Edie McClurg, Stephen Shellin, Michael
Cudlitz, Susan Traylor and Rob Cox.
It is about two sons of astern minister, one reserved, one
rebellious, who grew up in arural 1920s Montana.
All devoted to fly fishing man.
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Very different Montana moviethan last time.
But we're here.
This was my movie, so I'll goahead and pick it.
There was some duality to this.
Pick one because I knew Matsonwould go absolutely nuts watching
this movie because of thepacing of it.
He's not.
He's not very good withcharacter driven only movies.
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But I also picked it becauseit's a sneaky.
It's one of those movies thatlike divides me quite a bit.
There are parts of this moviethat I absolutely love and there
are parts of this movie that Ican't stand.
And I'm sure we'll talk aboutall of them.
But it is one that I everyonce in a while get a hankering to
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sit down and watch.
And I think, listen, Schaeferand Pitt do very well playing against
each other.
And I love Tom's Garrett.
So like the Acting in this isvery good, and I think it's a very
interesting story.
I loved the book Long.
I read this book as a youngerperson before this movie actually
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came out.
So it's one of the very firstadult books I ever read, if you will,
as a kid.
So very, very good book.
Very more information anddetail than the movie, as usually
that is.
But it is something thattranslates pretty well, and I enjoy
it, so that's why I picked it.
But there's always the addedbenefit to.
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With Matson here and there.
I didn't think it would withAlec too much.
Whether or not he likes themovie, I don't know, but I don't
think it would with himbecause he's like me.
He can deal with it.
Well, here's the thing.
Like, I. I want to hear whatyou liked and disliked about it,
because this movie, I texted,you guys like it.
You kind of know how it's mostlikely going to end.
But you want to see the endingand you want to get it there.
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But, yeah, at times you'rejust like, dude, can we just speed
up life a little bit here?
Like, come on, we all knowwhere this is going.
But the life lessons of thismovie are things that I do enjoy
about storytelling.
And I think this movie does anincredible job of setting the scene
for that and should be trulycommended for it.
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Yeah, but it's just.
You knew it, right?
And he suggests it's like, oh,my goodness.
Like, this movie just feltlike it was lugging along at some
spots, but then other spots, Iwas pretty entertained.
Yeah.
I. I think for me, what Ireally like is the dichotomy of these
two brothers.
I think it's so common that wejust don't pay attention to it unless
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it's right in our face.
But most of the time withsiblings, and look, there's only
two.
I only have a little sister.
But we could not be moredifferent than two siblings could
be.
I mean, obviously we have somesimilarities and we have some things
because that's just the waythat it works.
But my sister and I are sovery different, so I can honestly
relate in a lot of ways.
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Now, that's not to say that Ihave a gambling problem or I'm a
drunkard, but I'm certainlyrebellious in the ways of my typical
family dynamic, if you will.
So, like, okay, I was.
I am a drunkard.
Off.
That's.
I know that's what you're laughing.
This could have been you backin those.
You love to fish, you like to drink.
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For a long time.
And I mean you're not agambling addict, but I mean, I think
you would like to tables back then.
Yeah, I do like to gamble, butI, I don't like feeling like I'm
in fear of it when I do it.
That's my only problem.
Like I would never do it in aback room of some weird ass janky
lodge in the middle ofnowhere, Montana.
Maybe in the 1920s I wouldhave, but not since I've been alive.
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But yeah, so I really likethe, the pacing around or not the
pacing, but the, the storyaround these two kids that, and as
they grow up into adults andhow each one is trying to please
their father in their own way.
And one does it throughfishing and the other does it just
in general in life.
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Right.
And then like.
But they lean on those coupleof things and I, I just really like.
And to your point, Matson,like when they do build the character
development.
Strong, it's really strong.
And they play those dynamicsvery well.
And there's a lot of lifelessons in the movie.
What I don't like and thefirst thing that drives me crazy
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is the goddamn voiceover fromfucking Robert Redford.
Like I think it's so overkill.
And this is where I getfrustrated with a lot of movies that
come from books, right?
Because they feel like there'sso much good content in the book
and that's not untrue thatthey have to plug that shit into
the movie somehow.
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And I'm like, it's twodifferent mediums, Knuckles.
And you guys know it becauseyou take a bunch of shit out of the
book and you put it into themovie or you put that isn't in the
book into the movie to make itmore set, make more sense visually.
So why do we have to readentire sections of the book as voiceover
for the movie?
And I'll be honest, part of meit like secretly deep down, like
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voiceovers, especially likethis one are like, you think I'm
stupid and that I don'tunderstand what's happening in this
movie.
And so I get really frustratedby that, that.
And I'm like, come on, I wantto listen to Robert Redford and if
Robert Redford's gonna dothis, do the voiceover.
Make him the old man in theriver at the end of the goddamn movie.
Like, come on, I know who'stalking this whole time.
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And then I see some random assdude that looks like the guy at the
end of Saving Private Ryan.
Get the out of here.
Do it right.
If you're gonna do it.
So anyway, I do get frustratedby that.
I don't have the same.
This is one place where Matsand I usually agree on pacing issues
of a movie.
This one, I don't have pacingissues because I get so caught up
in the characters and what'sgoing on.
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And even though I.
You can see from a mile awayhow this is going to end, it just
doesn't like.
I just enjoy it.
I enjoy the storytelling of itand the acting against each other.
So anyway, there's a very longdiatribe about why I like and don't
like this movie.
Who wants to say next?
Alec, have you seen this before?
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No.
This is the first timer for you.
And I think this was myfavorite movie we watched so far
this month.
Really, really good for you, buddy.
I loved it.
Nice.
It was just a nice.
It made me want to go camping.
I haven't been camping in 20 years.
And like the last time that Iactually did a rough camp, you know,
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I was in high school.
Yeah.
Like, I. I don't camp anymore.
I was like, I want to gocamping in Montana.
It's beautiful.
Not.
Not fly fishing, because fly fishing.
Fly fishermen.
I and me don't get along at all.
But this, like.
I'm pretty sure there's somesort of cult involved with fly fishing.
But I, I just sat down and wasmesmerized the entire time.
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I will say I. I didn't likeBrad Pitt very much in the care in
the role that he played.
Yeah.
Going through it, he felt outof place compared to everybody else.
It was.
It almost.
It felt like he was theoddball out where they're kind of
going through it.
Like, hey, what about this kid?
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Let's throw him in there.
He's done a couple of thingsup and coming.
Let's see what he can really do.
And he must have been livingin Montana from 89 to 94.
With how many movies he's inthat are based in Montana.
Yeah.
No.
God.
But yeah, it was.
It was my favorite movie thismonth that we've watched so far.
But I was almost like I couldhave done without Brad Pitt.
Yeah.
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A little bit.
Where I was like, just didn't.
Don't make any sense.
Yeah, he was a little wideeyed, bushy tail in this one, like,
kind of happy.
Go lucky.
Which I know is part of his character.
But I, I do with Alchemistwhen it's hard because we also had
Legend of the Fall where Ithink Brad Pitt's character was very
strong and emotional and Iconnected and like felt what he was
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portraying.
I never, I felt, got therewith Paul's character, his brother
though, Norman.
Like, I felt like, I mean, itwas a little bit more centralized
on him and Paul was in and outquite a bit in the story.
But I just, I don't know,like, Paul didn't land for me as
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much as I wanted it to.
And I found myself gravitatingmore towards Norman.
And I personally, I think Iwanted them to show me a little bit
more of why Paul wasstruggling because they alluded to
it and showed some things.
But I think they.
I wanted more there because Ithink where we talk about pacing
for me was the Norman stuffthat at times that felt like a slog
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a little bit.
And I wanted more of the.
Paul was more interesting to me.
I just don't think I gotenough of screen time to maybe connect
in that way.
And I struggle with that alittle bit.
It's fair, I think.
Excuse me.
Almost choked right there.
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I think Craig Schaefer's likea seriously underrated actor.
Like, I'm sure you've seen it,Matt, but the movie, the program,
like, I love him in that.
Like he does a night breed.
I always go back to these oldmovies because that's what he was
in a lot of older movies.
But I really like him.
So yeah, I do agree that Ilike, I like how he plays the character,
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but he also doesn't carry thesame weight as a Brad Pitt.
And I think that's one thingthat distracts me during the movie
is like, I see Craig Schaeferand I like, I love this guy.
But then Brad Pitt comes onand to Alex point, like, he's weird
in the, like he's out of placein this movie.
What he reminds me of is theMeet Joe Black character before he
dies.
Like, he's just like bubblyand weird, but there's some weird
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going on in his life.
And so you're like, what the hell?
So I.
It is a weird play for him.
Like, but when they'retogether, Brad Pitt just has that
presence, right?
Like, even when he's playing aweird character that may not fit,
like, you can't help but lookat Brad Pitt and go, that's Brad
Pitt.
And God damn, is he a goodlooking dude.
And he can act.
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And so Craig Schaefer, I thinktakes a little bit of like an under,
which is weird because he'sthe main narrator, storyteller of
this story.
And so I think they could havemaybe flip flopped the two and that
might have worked, but I don'tknow that Craig Schaer could play
that brother as well.
I, I don't know.
So it's just interesting.
But yeah, I, I definitely hear you.
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I think I can see both sidesof that to where it's.
There's some confusion betweenthe two and, and I don't know, Brad
Pitt was an odd choice forthis, but I think you're right.
I think Pretty Face,interesting character.
So he was grabbing movie rolesearly and quick at that point.
And this one was before.
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Legend of the Fall.
Legends of the Fall.
And I also, I, in this, I, Iwould wonder if Robert Redford was
trying to channel himself.
Brad Pitt, because it's verysimilar to Sundance Kid.
That's fair.
That's fair type of a look and.
A feel and a vibe.
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And so wouldn't surprise me ifRobert Redford was trying to live
vicariously by finding someonewho, you know, relatable look and
feel to his acting style.
That's true.
I will say, I do love.
One of the things I love aboutthis film is when the brothers are
together.
Like, especially when they gofishing and they're like, I really
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like the one dude when theytake the girl's brother out his dip,
shows up ripped out of hisgourd, gets all naked and gets his
nasty ass on his back.
I love it.
Makes me so happy.
Like, I laugh my ass off atthat entire sequence.
And them arguing together,like they have their own language,
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which I really love.
Like, they'll have thisconversation and people will be like,
the.
Are you talking about?
You know what I mean?
Because you can see thatconnection that they have from the
beginning of the movie throughout.
And I, I really like thatpiece of this film and watching those
two that no matter how longthey've been been separated or the
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differences in theircharacter, when they're by themselves,
right when they come together,they form this unit and they're.
They're with each other.
They'll drive each other to dodumb, like go down the dangerous
part of the river in a woodenboat or, you know, go.
They try to help each other.
I just really like thatrelationship and how it plays out
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on screen between the two of them.
And that's the one place whereI think Brad Pitt does shine because
you can see that he's hidingstuff from his brother because he
doesn't want to damage that relationship.
And that's what he lives foris those moments where he's out fishing
with his brother and his dador one or the other.
And like, spending that time.
And I really appreciate that.
That that is the focus of themovie and there's a lot of things
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going on, but those momentsare the ones that really hit home
for me is, like, thosetogetherness between those two and
how they move through thestory in that way.
I'd agree with that.
But where I struggled is,like, at the end with the.
When they really pull in thegambling scene.
Like, even the drunkardness,like, the way Brad Pitt portrayed
it, just never felt like itwas, like, truly a problem.
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Like, I just didn't see enoughof how it debilitated him and making
poor decisions.
Even when they were in that,like, sketchy club at the end or
whatever it was, he goes tothe table and they, like, kind of
push him away.
And you're like.
And then he's like, ah, it's fine.
Like, you're like, bro.
Like, are you, like, not allthere in the head?
Why?
And then he's like, I'm gonnago back right now.
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He's smiling about it.
And I know that's his demeanor.
I just.
I don't know, I felt like Ineeded a little bit more, like, emotional
depth from him to understandthe gravity of the situation, maybe
a little bit more.
But I think it was just more abrupt.
And I was like, oh, okay, Iknow this isn't going to end well,
but it's ending right now.
And I just.
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I wanted more of what that was.
And I. I think to your point,I liked how his brother was starting
the piece and discover that together.
I just felt like the way ithappened at the end was a little
more abrupt than I wasprepared for.
Granted.
I mean, this is a long movie,so, like, things.
I'm glad it ended, but I thinkthey could have woven a few of those
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things more together and cohesively.
Yeah.
I do think that they couldhave had at least one scene with
Brad Pitt's character, like,by himself, having, like, a down
moment where he's not.
Because it's obvious he putson a show whenever he's in front
of people.
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Like, he has that face andthat wall.
Even.
Even his family.
I think the closest he gets tothat when that comes down is when
he's fishing.
Right.
Is like, he doesn't.
There's nothing else he'sthinking about.
But, like, the.
I do agree that it would be.
I think it would have beenhelpful in the movie.
Now in the book, you don't get it.
And I think that's where themistake was made again is they.
They leaned heavily into thenarrator part of the book.
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And we're like, well, we'regoing to show it all from Craig Schaefer's
characters perspective, if you will.
Because that's what the book does.
It's more or less written in the.
It's just a first personaccounting of this from that character.
So leaning into that part ofit in the movie, I think is actually
a mistake.
I think they should have shownto your point, Matson, some things
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with that, with Brad Pittsaying, you know, showing that when
he's alone, maybe he'sstressed out or he's struggling or
he's having that internalbattle with those vices that he has
because we don't get to see that.
So we don't understand outsideof that one scene how deep and big
in trouble he actually is.
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And then you have to reallyquickly get to that point and you're
like, oh, he's gonna not showup to the fishing the next morning,
right?
And then they juke you on thatdeal and they have the great day
fishing.
And then it's later that he dies.
But it's like if they couldhave shown that, I think it would
have carried more weight andseriousness going into that final
scene.
And all we need is one.
I think just one scene showing him.
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And I think they try to do iton the one fishing trip with the.
The future brother in law,like where he goes off on his own
and then he's kind of likepensive and a couple.
But it doesn't do it.
It's not heavy enough.
There's not enough weight toit to really carry through the rest
of it.
And I think I'm kind of skewedbecause I did read the book and so
I, I caught.
There are pieces from the maincharacter where he catches.
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He picks up on the issues thathis brother has that hot.
That he hides long before weget to this point and he starts making.
So I piece those thingstogether because I have more information.
Right.
You brought up a part of thismovie that I'm like.
They could have omitted, butit was kind of funny was that whole
the.
The brother scene with thebrother in law and that whole like.
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I get part of what they weretrying to do.
I was like, man, this didn'tneed to go on as long as it did.
Like that's a part I could have.
I could have chopped most ofthat out.
The sunburn.
So funny though.
I know, but like, I don't.
Like I didn't.
I. I would have taken more of Paul.
Like, show me some More ofthat and I would have been here for
it.
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I think.
To me, it was a distractionthat didn't really play to the overall
ending of what they werereally trying to get at, which is
these two brothers.
I just didn't really care for it.
Sure get that.
What about you, Alex?
You gotta be something elsebrewing in that brain of yours.
Oh, something else brewing.
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The brain.
No.
I don't have many problemswith the movie, but I think it's
probably because I didn't readthe book.
I don't have anything tocompare it to.
Sure.
And so I was watching this andit Just the feeling I got from it
when everything just tiedtogether so well.
So you have, you know, this.
You know, the.
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The idea of this nice littleMontana family, church going.
All that good stuff.
And, you know, you think about the.
It took a kind of the.
The right spin on everything, Right.
So you have like a.
A church family.
That is a family goes to church.
There's nothing else.
No ulterior motive there oranything like that.
Then you have the.
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The homeschooling part, Right.
Where they didn't go to a school.
All he learned was how to readand write from his dad, essentially,
growing up.
And it spun it into.
Then once that was done, theyget to go hang out and be brothers.
And so you don't have theulterior motive or the bad part of
that either.
And so throughout this wholething, it was just super fun to watch.
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And then you get the ideathat, you know, dad is the disciplinarian,
Right.
When they go down the boat andthe river and everything like that,
and you get the feeling like,okay, maybe we're gonna see Dad's
True Colors.
Right.
But no, you fast forward nearthe end and Dad's still going out
fishing with them.
But he's not.
He's not taking joy in fishingso much anymore, more as just watching
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them fish and enjoy the, youknow, hit what his life has been
type of a thing, and enjoy thethings that he's taught him.
And so everywhere where thismovie could have taken, or the book,
really, whatever, the storycould have taken a turn, that would
make it less enjoyable, less wholesome.
It didn't.
It went ahead and even in somecases, pulled out of one word, it's
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like, oh, that's.
That's cool that they didthere, that they had that in there.
And so throughout the wholeentire movie, I just enjoyed it.
And even down to, you know,when we start to see Paul unravel,
like there's a little.
Little hint That I. I don'tknow if it was.
Can't remember exactly whereit happened, but it was when he makes
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up the story about thepresident and it's that, you know,
you can tell from there thatPaul really is a pleaser, right at
his core, he's going to be apeople pleaser.
So he will tell you exactlywhat he thinks you want to hear,
regardless of what it is.
And so, you know, he's got to.
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He's got to compete with hisbig brother type of a story thing.
And then we get to the pointwhere he can't think of a story.
And he gets to that pointwhere now all of a sudden the gu.
Who's the.
You know, you go anywhere inthis area, Montana, it's the newspaper
fisherman.
And, you know, it's, oh,you're the newspaper fisherman's
brother or this or that.
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And then all of a sudden wekind of see him lose that charisma
just for an instance.
And like, that's the.
That's the true.
Tell that, oh, there's somemore going on here because all of
a sudden he's.
He's off his game.
Can't think of a story, youknow, or he's told his last story,
he's got no more left.
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So I just.
It was a hidden gem for me.
I just sat there and I was.
I didn't have any problem with pacing.
I wasn't treat.
The entire, you know, four anda half hours or whatever.
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, the other part I don'tcare for is the fishing stuff.
I'm like, oh, see, I don't.
I don't.
I don't care for fishing.
Deep sea fishing, sure.
But I thought of JJ Like, I'msure you.
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It resonated in your soul.
Do you have.
You fly fish, Jay?
You know, I've tried, and Idon't have that skill set.
Yeah, I can't.
That's.
You know, that's another thingthat I love because I love to fish.
And I wish I could fly fish.
That's like, I've tried.
I've never been able to get it.
And it's probably because I'venever actually.
When I tried to learn, I wasvery young and so I'd never really
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fully committed to it.
I was like, this is just weird.
I don't get the.
The mechanics.
I think now I could probablyfigure it out.
But I love the way that theyuse fishing, too, to show the different
personalities of these two guys.
Because, like, you have, like, he.
He's Very adamant about thefact that his dad.
Their dad taught him to the metronome.
Like, this is the.
The key to fly fishing is that timing.
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And then the first time theygo as adults, you get to see Brad
Pitt's character.
That's like, he doesn't followthat he's made up his own rules and
he's gone.
So like, you see that he livesthat way his whole life.
Like, he does his own thing,makes up his own rules, finds way
to do things the way he wantsto do them regardless of anything
else.
And then you have his brother who's.
Who follows the rules, right.
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Like, he's like, I'm gonnafish this way.
And he still catches fish it.
And you know his dad, like, it's.
And I love the end too, wherehe tell.
His dad, tells Brad Pitt.
He's like, you are a fine fisherman.
Right.
Like, and it's not that hisbrother's not.
It's just like that'ssomething that his dad would never
do.
Something that his brotherwould never do.
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And so you get to see thatstark difference between Brad Pitt
and the rest of the family andhow he's gone off on his own.
And it's been.
It's led to his downfall ultimately.
Right.
But it also created someridiculously beautiful moments and
some things that make him wellknown across the state.
You know, all these different things.
So it's just an interesting.
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Like, I love that part howthey use the fishing so subtly to
show really quick how thedifference between these two brothers
and even the dad and.
Yeah, I just.
But I love the fishing mates.
Like, I get what it showedtoo, but I just.
I don't like.
Sure.
No, I.
It's just nice.
Did it enough times like you're.
You beat the point home likefour times.
Like I get it.
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Like I. I can see thedifferences in.
And how they fish.
And I did the fishing scene.
I did like they definitelyneeded one at the beginning that
the metronome and set the stage.
Like I get all that.
And then showing when Normancomes back and they go fishing and
he sees his brother and theshadow casting as his dad calls and
how different it is.
Like those two.
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100%.
I do they need to be.
As long as they were.
I don't know.
But I don't think I have aproblem with those.
So it just goes back to that.
The.
The trip with the.
The brother.
With the brother in law.
Just like that whole thing.
Like, maybe not, but yeah, I'm.
I'm not.
I've never resonated withfishing, don't have the patience
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for it.
And I don't even understand,like, fly fishing.
What's.
It's a much more active typeof fishing, as I assume.
Why do people pick fly fishingover normal fishing or vice versa?
Because they're fishing snobs.
The real reason is, like, your location.
So because they're fishing ona river, fly fishing tends to be
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more effective for a couple of reasons.
One, there's a ton of bugs.
And two, if, like, if you dolower fishing on a river, it can
be, especially a shallow riverlike that with rocks and stuff, you're
gonna get hung up every timeyou cast, and so it's pointless.
But with a fly fishing, theysit on the top.
Once they hit the water, theysit up there like a bug and like
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that.
Like, that's what the fishjump out.
And every time you hear, like,yeah, when you hear a fish jump in
the water, you're like, hey,was that a fish?
They're snagging a bug somewhere.
Like, that's just how that works.
So it's really location and,like, how you're fishing.
And then there is a certain.
Again, to your point, like,you talked about the patience with
it.
There's.
So fishing for me most of thetime is I cast a line in, I have
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my little goddamn floater onthere, or I'm fishing the bottom,
so it sits at the bottom, andI put the.
My fishing pole in my littlelawn chair holder, and I sit there
and I drink a beer while Iwatch my pole.
And the instant it starts tobounce or takes a yank, I pull that
out, set the hook, and reel myfish in.
That's a lot of patientfishing, right?
Like, you have to be willingto just sit there and do nothing.
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I think I could.
Like, if I was raised, flyfishing would be the fishing I would
do because it's active.
Like, you got to be involved.
You're.
Well, you have to think.
Like, you can't just flip the thing.
Like, you have to.
It's like they.
They show in that scene.
What are they biting on, right?
Like, you have to pick theright bug.
You have to move into theright areas.
Like, that's why he's alwayslooking at the shoreline.
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Or you got to know how thefish move, like, how they swim, how
they track, how they.
They feed.
And so there's a lot more tofly fishing.
There's a lot more strategy toit, a lot more thought process.
And like you said, it's very active.
Whereas catching dumbass troutin a lake I just put that in the
water and let them do.
Let it do the work.
Right.
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So it's like.
Or you hook it to a boat andtroll the out of it, and all you're
doing is driving.
Yeah.
Deep sea, you just troll.
That's something.
But then it gets exciting.
Once you got a big marlin onthe line and they got flexes muscles,
but.
Or you don't catch anything.
I like, I'll never forget whenI first met Tay.
We went to Hawaii and we knewthis local and he took us out on
the boat and we were justdragging line and just for whatever
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reason, like four hours ofjust nothing, Just straight nothing.
I was like, this is.
I'm just baking in this boat.
Horrible experience.
Got a little, like, seasick too.
I was like, yep, this is why Idon't fish.
But the opposite of that.
My best fishing experience wasdeep sea fishing on a bigger boat,
like out in the.
It was up in Boston off the harbor.
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Like, we went off of that andmade some really good fish.
We caught it, cooked it.
It was great.
But yeah, I just like, ah, yeah.
I love fishing, but I alsohave no problem just sitting there
like.
And not.
I don't even care.
Most time when I go fishing,I'm so happy when I catch fish.
If I don't catch fish, I don't care.
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That's not me.
Yeah, I'm good.
You want to go catch some fish?
Go up to Alaska during salmon season.
You don't even have to.
You just.
You can just reach in and scoop.
There's that fattest sea lionsI've ever seen.
Like, literally crazy.
They don't.
They don't do anything.
They're like, I don't evenhave to move.
They'll just come to me.
They.
It was the phrase fish.
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Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Literally.
Like, you just point, like,all right, I'll just kill like 40
of them right there.
Oh, yeah.
Crazy.
I love it.
Can't wait.
I love to fish.
I haven't fished that.
That I would go do againbecause it was like, you're gonna
catch delicious fish.
Like, I like food.
I like salmon.
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I'll do that again.
Yeah, I don't know.
I love fishing up where you'reat too.
We went out on the Puget,like, caught those freaking Lynn
cut lingcod.
That was fun.
We had a good time.
Those fish were ugly.
Big old ugly.
But boy, they were fun to catch.
And apparently they're good.
I don't eat fish, but my fish.
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Nope, you won't eat.
You Won't eat salmon.
No, it's gross.
I hate fish.
It's gross.
Yeah, I don't like al.
Yeah back.
Alex.
Do you not.
I never know.
I. I could eat fish everysingle meal for the rest of my life.
It'd be gross.
Salmon is delicious.
Nope.
Yeah, you're missing out there.
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You're wrong on this one.
It's so gross.
It's oily.
Tastes gross.
I don't like.
When's the last time you had,like, Alaskan king salmon?
Like, have you actually.
Have you ever even had it?
Dude, I've had.
Fresh out of the water an hourago, Alaskan king salmon.
Like, I've.
I.
What's wrong with you?
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I don't like fish.
I don't like fish.
I don't like the smell of it.
Seafood or just fish.
Or.
Not particularly.
So I can eat crab legs ifthey're, like, bathed in butter.
Like, and when I say bathed, Imean, like, I go to the steak and
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lobster.
Like, I'll go to steak andcrab legs, and I got a bowl of butter
and I break my crab legs, andI take my chunks of crab meat too
much and I set it in there,and then I eat some steak while it
soaks up all the butter, andthen I eat the crab legs.
Dude, I cannot believe youdon't like fresh salmon.
Like, I just salivate thinkingof that.
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Oh, nope.
Salmon is.
You barely have to season that thing.
And it's just perfect.
You cook it just right.
I perfected my dad's eat.
You two, like, a minute and ahalf for each side.
That's the secret to get it to the.
Where you touch it with yourfork and it just goes.
Drops off.
Oh, gross.
I gotta go.
I'm eating salmon tomorrow.
Alec.
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I just bought a whole sidefrom the grocery store that's on
sale.
So, so good.
Or make, like, chipotle.
Chipotle salmon bites.
Little.
Like little.
Little Hawaiian style with alittle coleslaw and.
And pineapple and a littlespice to it.
I should send you the recipe, Alec.
It's delicious.
Easy to make.
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Very good.
I don't like this.
You two getting long.
This is the one time you'rewrong, jj.
I don't like this wholedynamic we got going on right now.
No, man, I don't like fish.
Never have.
I. I have never liked fish.
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My.
And I don't know if it'sbecause when I was a little kid,
like, we were super poor whenI was growing up, and so we had fish
sticks, like, frozen fish sticks.
Was like, oh, I Don't like those.
That was the.
That I ate.
You know what I mean?
And so it's like, I. I justdon't like fish.
I mean, my mom doesn't like it either.
Like, the two of us.
Everybody else in my familyloves fit.
In fact, we had a barbecue onLabor Day and I had hamburgers and
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hot dogs for me and my sister.
Everybody else ate lingcodthat we caught in Seattle a month
and a half or whatever, twomonths ago or whatever it was because
we still had some from.
That was frozen from there.
And they love it.
They eat.
Like, Casey loves fish.
She loves sushi.
She loves all the seafood.
Not me, not this guy.
I can't even handle when shecooks it, dude.
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Like, I smell it and just.
I'm like, ugh, I forgot.
Like, when you told me aboutsushi stuff, I thought Casey was
the problem.
You're the problem.
No, it's me.
100.
No, Casey loves.
She'd eat sushi every day if I.
If I could handle it.
But I can't do a sushi jointand just tell you to off.
That's fine.
I.
And I'm okay, I'll go find afat ass burger somewhere.
Like, I'll find some red meat.
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No, she'd love it.
Here's the thing.
You take me to sushi, I'llfind something to eat.
I'm sure they all have stuff,so I'll go fish.
I don't like fish.
That's just.
You're dead wrong.
We'll end it at that, youknow, and then.
It's just.
I've solidified it.
The more I deal with fishlonger, like.
Like, I remember watchingCasey, we caught a bunch of.
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Of rainbow trout and cutthroattrout up in strawberry.
It was.
We kept two cutthroat troutbecause they were massive and they
were fit within the guidelines.
But we had a bunch of rainbowtrout, and she made them.
And then, like, watching herpull the pin bones like I was looking
and like, she had a deworm, acouple of them.
And I'm like, see?
No, I'm out.
That's gross.
Like, any animal that justbuy, like, naturally, an hour later
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you're cutting into it andcleaning it and you got to pull a
worm out of it.
I'm out.
That's gross.
I'm out.
I don't like it.
So I just added to my dislikeof fish.
But yeah, and there's adebate, my ongoing debate in my head,
like, pizza, burger, Mexican sushi.
Like, dude, there's so manygood Types of sushi I could just.
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Man, it's hard.
I'm just like, there's so manydifferent styles.
I can crush sushi.
The problem is it's damn expensive.
But we.
It's one of those things likeI rarely, Jay, at this point go out
and get a burger because Iwish you won't be able to have one
of my homemade burgers becausejust the way the time works out.
But I'm.
I make a burger as good as I think.
Any restaurant I go to nowbecause it's the secret of preparation
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or like pizza is one of thosethings I'll go out and get because
I barely eat gluten at homeanymore because of tay.
But like sushi, I don't carewhat you're doing.
You could, you can't makehomemade sushi.
Like you can get out of wellplaced restaurant.
Like that's one thing I'm bigon that when I go out to eat, I'm
like, I want something that I like.
I can't make almost as good Iwant if I'm gonna spend my money
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on it.
You're missing out, man, somuch good sushi.
Hey, I tell Casey all the timeI wish I liked fish.
I do.
But yeah, I'm back in JJ'scamp when it comes to sushi.
I don't do sushi.
Yeah.
If I can't eat, if I can't eatother animals raw, why the would
I eat a fish raw?
This doesn't make sense to me.
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Alec, you wouldn't have like.
I'm trying to think of the,the sushi one that had.
There's a bunch of it havesalmon on top.
You wouldn't eat one of those.
I don't touch sushi.
I got really, really sick fromit once and I won't go back.
And they have worms.
I've eaten a lot of sushi.
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But I mean I've gotten sickfrom other places like Taco Bell
back in the day.
And I still ate it like.
But I don't really eat TacoBell anymore.
Like never.
But I would bet like you livelong enough, you get food poisoning
from.
Yeah, anything stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
I. Anyways.
Anyway.
Yeah, that's.
We.
I digress.
I can't believe you don't like fish.
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Yep.
Don't like it.
Never have.
All right, let's rate this some.
We thought we got off topic.
Although it kind of fit the topic.
But anyway, I'm gonna givethis movie a three and a half.
And I say that because I thinkit, I think it's a great movie.
I love it.
I'll watch it pretty much anytime.
It's not even one of thoseheavy movies to me that I can't watch
repetitively.
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But I do really hate the voiceover.
Like the, the narration drivesme nuts because there's so much.
And I think it's lazy whenthe, the content that they had in
this book, if they had justbeen a little creative with, could
have been an even better moviein my opinion, because you could
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have cut back a bunch of thenarration that tells the story and
let the story tell itself.
Now you run the risk of thatbeing a very long movie, even long,
because it's about two hours long.
You're probably looking atmore like a two hour and 20 minute
movie at that point if you'renot having the narration tell a lot
of the story.
So it's kind of a give and take.
But I would rather watch theemotional pieces of it and take it
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out of just one viewpoint.
So because of that, that's whyI give it the three and a half.
It probably.
I probably could give ithigher and feel okay about it.
But I do have enough issuewith the voiceover and, and the fact
that there's a lot of missingpieces that I think would have added
value to the movie that I. Ijust can't give it any higher.
So three and a half for me, Iwill definitely watch this movie
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again because even though I'mgiving it three and a half, I still
like it and I still think it's.
I like it more than what thethree and a half rating says because
of the story of the movie.
I do think I'm a little biasedbecause I have read the book.
So from my perspective, thatadds some value because I know the
subtle that they're nottalking about in the movie or they
don't show it.
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But yeah, I think therecertainly could have been a better
version of this movie thaneven what we got, which is great.
Matson.
Well, that was a confusingrating from jj.
Let me just break it down foryou people.
As a man of the people, thismovie, look, it's a little long,
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but the storytelling and thecompelling nature of the brothers
and their development andtheir diverging and converging paths
and how they were raised andhow it ends up.
I think it's a good story.
Is it like the best Brad Pittthing I've seen?
No.
Would I rather, rather watchLegend of the Fall over this movie?
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Yes.
I'm trying to think.
Do we remember what I gaveLegend of the Fall I can't even remember.
It was pretty high.
I gave it a five.
I think.
You gave it a four and a half.
I think like a four and a. Yeah.
I'm gonna give this movie a three.
Like it's not a bad movie.
It's definitely not like forthe storytelling alone, I think it's,
it's worth a watch.
I just, I, it just wasn't BradPitt's finest performance.
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I didn't connect as much as I want.
I want a little bit more.
Everything that I've saidbefore, one little bit more screen
time.
Want a little bit more of the downfall.
Like the, there's that onekind of long scene with the, the
brother of Norman's soon to bewife in the future.
I just didn't care for it,just detracted from it.
I didn't resonate with thefishing, but the life lesson was
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there.
I understood why it was there.
But things just took a littlebit longer in some areas than I would
have liked.
But for people that are verystory and character driven, it's
a great movie.
It's a three.
It's not, it's a three.
It's a three.
It'S not a three.
That's supposed to be in afour and a half like JJ said.
So just, just let the recordshow like what I give is what it
is.
Don't worry, I'll kick him inthe shins when I'm up in Seattle
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next weekend.
Alec.
Since I don't have anypredetermined bias, it's a four,
I think, I think if you takeBrad Pitt out, it is a five.
And that's nothing againstBrad Pitt as an actor.
Just wrong character for him.
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He did not fit in with theentire rest of the cast.
He's the, you know, outball.
And even though Paul's kindof, that kind of character doesn't
fit Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt justdoes not fit in this movie.
And I, I, I don't know whoelse would could replace him, but
I feel like you could probablyput anybody in there because the
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story is really Norman's pointof view and having, you know, pretty
boy Brad Pitt in there kindais jarring detracts from it.
And then not having him meshso well with the cast just throws,
throws me for the biggest loop.
But I will watch this again.
I've already watched it since,you know, between now and when I
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first watched it.
So it's, it's now added to theregulars and I enjoyed it.
It was great movie.
So yeah, four for me, Mission Accomplished.
I drove Madsen crazy and Ishared a movie, new movie with Alec
that he's added to the list.
Speaking of Alec, telleverybody where they can find us,
my friend.
Happy to.
Like JJ said, this is week four.
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Yeah, four of Brad Pitt September.
Still mad that that doesn'thave the same ring as Amy Adams.
So I guess I'm gonna be madvery long time.
Like JJ said, best place tofind us is on Patreon.
You can get our content onYouTube where you see our smiling
faces or grouchy faces or justplain bored faces if you ever look
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But Patreon's the best placeto get involved with content.
We have our votes up there formovies and for monthly topics.
I think we just recentlyclosed out the topics for October,
which is gonna be John Cusack.
Little spoiler alert there.
John Cusack movies.
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It means a lot to us to getour movies that we select picked.
It's major bragging rights.
I only had one this month andI'm still pissed.
But with that, I'll kick itback to the Wazir of wap The Colossus
of Clout.
A jj.
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That's right.
I've been on a streak lately.
You really have?
Yeah, I have been.
I don't remember.
I was trying to think of whenthe last time it was that I only
had like one movie picked ornobody picked.
I remember being pissed aboutit, but been a while.
What I picked for these movies.
All right.
Ocean's Thirteen and then nextweek's movie.
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All right, Alec.
I did remember.
I just wanted to hear you say it.
Oh, hey, what's that, Alec?
World's smallest violin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you pick weird to withMatson every single time.
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Sometimes it works.
That's fair.
That's fair.
All right, well, I think ourtopic next month.
I probably don't even have apick because I threw a dart at a
board.
I knew nothing about JohnCusack at all.
Yeah, I don't think I got one.
We'll see.
I'm pretty sure you got two.
Did I really?
Yeah, I think you just picked,like, two of his most popular movies.
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We'll talk about it.
But I think.
Yeah, that's funny.
I didn't even know what I was.
Because there was only, like,one or two that was, like, outside.
I was like, I don't even knowwhat I'm doing here.
Anyways, we'll get there.
Anyway, we'll get there.
All right.
So with that, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the nextbaby cinematic.
Yeah, here's the thing.
You take me to sushi, I'llfind something to eat.
I'm sure they all have stuff.
Man, that's so.
I'll go fish.
I don't like fish.
That's just.
You're dead wrong.
We'll end it at that.
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We're week four, week four of September.
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I always forget there's fiveweeks this.
This time around.
Week four, September in BradPitt month, if you will.
And we're hitting it up with ARiver Runs through it.
It's released October 30, 1992.
It was written by NormanMcLean and Richard Friedenberg, star
or directed by Robert Redford.
RIP and then it stars BradPitt, Craig Schaefer, Tom Skerrett,
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Brenda Blethen, Emily Lloyd,Edie McClurg, Stephen Shellin, Michael
Cudlitz, Susan Traylor and Rob Cox.
It is about two sons of astern minister, one reserved, one
rebellious, who grew up in arural 1920s Montana.
All devoted to fly fishing man.
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Very different Montana moviethan last time.
But we're here.
This was my movie, so I'll goahead and pick it.
There was some duality to this.
Pick one because I knew Matsonwould go absolutely nuts watching
this movie because of thepacing of it.
He's not.
He's not very good withcharacter driven only movies.
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But I also picked it becauseit's a sneaky.
It's one of those movies thatlike divides me quite a bit.
There are parts of this moviethat I absolutely love and there
are parts of this movie that Ican't stand.
And I'm sure we'll talk aboutall of them.
But it is one that I everyonce in a while get a hankering to
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sit down and watch.
And I think, listen, Schaeferand Pitt do very well playing against
each other.
And I love Tom's Garrett.
So like the Acting in this isvery good, and I think it's a very
interesting story.
I loved the book Long.
I read this book as a youngerperson before this movie actually
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came out.
So it's one of the very firstadult books I ever read, if you will,
as a kid.
So very, very good book.
Very more information anddetail than the movie, as usually
that is.
But it is something thattranslates pretty well, and I enjoy
it, so that's why I picked it.
But there's always the addedbenefit to.
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With Matson here and there.
I didn't think it would withAlec too much.
Whether or not he likes themovie, I don't know, but I don't
think it would with himbecause he's like me.
He can deal with it.
Well, here's the thing.
Like, I. I want to hear whatyou liked and disliked about it,
because this movie, I texted,you guys like it.
You kind of know how it's mostlikely going to end.
But you want to see the endingand you want to get it there.
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But, yeah, at times you'rejust like, dude, can we just speed
up life a little bit here?
Like, come on, we all knowwhere this is going.
But the life lessons of thismovie are things that I do enjoy
about storytelling.
And I think this movie does anincredible job of setting the scene
for that and should be trulycommended for it.
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Yeah, but it's just.
You knew it, right?
And he suggests it's like, oh,my goodness.
Like, this movie just feltlike it was lugging along at some
spots, but then other spots, Iwas pretty entertained.
Yeah.
I. I think for me, what Ireally like is the dichotomy of these
two brothers.
I think it's so common that wejust don't pay attention to it unless
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it's right in our face.
But most of the time withsiblings, and look, there's only
two.
I only have a little sister.
But we could not be moredifferent than two siblings could
be.
I mean, obviously we have somesimilarities and we have some things
because that's just the waythat it works.
But my sister and I are sovery different, so I can honestly
relate in a lot of ways.
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Now, that's not to say that Ihave a gambling problem or I'm a
drunkard, but I'm certainlyrebellious in the ways of my typical
family dynamic, if you will.
So, like, okay, I was.
I am a drunkard.
Off.
That's.
I know that's what you're laughing.
This could have been you backin those.
You love to fish, you like to drink.
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For a long time.
And I mean you're not agambling addict, but I mean, I think
you would like to tables back then.
Yeah, I do like to gamble, butI, I don't like feeling like I'm
in fear of it when I do it.
That's my only problem.
Like I would never do it in aback room of some weird ass janky
lodge in the middle ofnowhere, Montana.
Maybe in the 1920s I wouldhave, but not since I've been alive.
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But yeah, so I really likethe, the pacing around or not the
pacing, but the, the storyaround these two kids that, and as
they grow up into adults andhow each one is trying to please
their father in their own way.
And one does it throughfishing and the other does it just
in general in life.
(05:46):
Right.
And then like.
But they lean on those coupleof things and I, I just really like.
And to your point, Matson,like when they do build the character
development.
Strong, it's really strong.
And they play those dynamicsvery well.
And there's a lot of lifelessons in the movie.
What I don't like and thefirst thing that drives me crazy
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is the goddamn voiceover fromfucking Robert Redford.
Like I think it's so overkill.
And this is where I getfrustrated with a lot of movies that
come from books, right?
Because they feel like there'sso much good content in the book
and that's not untrue thatthey have to plug that shit into
the movie somehow.
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And I'm like, it's twodifferent mediums, Knuckles.
And you guys know it becauseyou take a bunch of shit out of the
book and you put it into themovie or you put that isn't in the
book into the movie to make itmore set, make more sense visually.
So why do we have to readentire sections of the book as voiceover
for the movie?
And I'll be honest, part of meit like secretly deep down, like
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voiceovers, especially likethis one are like, you think I'm
stupid and that I don'tunderstand what's happening in this
movie.
And so I get really frustratedby that, that.
And I'm like, come on, I wantto listen to Robert Redford and if
Robert Redford's gonna dothis, do the voiceover.
Make him the old man in theriver at the end of the goddamn movie.
Like, come on, I know who'stalking this whole time.
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And then I see some random assdude that looks like the guy at the
end of Saving Private Ryan.
Get the out of here.
Do it right.
If you're gonna do it.
So anyway, I do get frustratedby that.
I don't have the same.
This is one place where Matsand I usually agree on pacing issues
of a movie.
This one, I don't have pacingissues because I get so caught up
in the characters and what'sgoing on.
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And even though I.
You can see from a mile awayhow this is going to end, it just
doesn't like.
I just enjoy it.
I enjoy the storytelling of itand the acting against each other.
So anyway, there's a very longdiatribe about why I like and don't
like this movie.
Who wants to say next?
Alec, have you seen this before?
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No.
This is the first timer for you.
And I think this was myfavorite movie we watched so far
this month.
Really, really good for you, buddy.
I loved it.
Nice.
It was just a nice.
It made me want to go camping.
I haven't been camping in 20 years.
And like the last time that Iactually did a rough camp, you know,
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I was in high school.
Yeah.
Like, I. I don't camp anymore.
I was like, I want to gocamping in Montana.
It's beautiful.
Not.
Not fly fishing, because fly fishing.
Fly fishermen.
I and me don't get along at all.
But this, like.
I'm pretty sure there's somesort of cult involved with fly fishing.
But I, I just sat down and wasmesmerized the entire time.
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I will say I. I didn't likeBrad Pitt very much in the care in
the role that he played.
Yeah.
Going through it, he felt outof place compared to everybody else.
It was.
It almost.
It felt like he was theoddball out where they're kind of
going through it.
Like, hey, what about this kid?
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Let's throw him in there.
He's done a couple of thingsup and coming.
Let's see what he can really do.
And he must have been livingin Montana from 89 to 94.
With how many movies he's inthat are based in Montana.
Yeah.
No.
God.
But yeah, it was.
It was my favorite movie thismonth that we've watched so far.
But I was almost like I couldhave done without Brad Pitt.
Yeah.
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A little bit.
Where I was like, just didn't.
Don't make any sense.
Yeah, he was a little wideeyed, bushy tail in this one, like,
kind of happy.
Go lucky.
Which I know is part of his character.
But I, I do with Alchemistwhen it's hard because we also had
Legend of the Fall where Ithink Brad Pitt's character was very
strong and emotional and Iconnected and like felt what he was
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portraying.
I never, I felt, got therewith Paul's character, his brother
though, Norman.
Like, I felt like, I mean, itwas a little bit more centralized
on him and Paul was in and outquite a bit in the story.
But I just, I don't know,like, Paul didn't land for me as
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much as I wanted it to.
And I found myself gravitatingmore towards Norman.
And I personally, I think Iwanted them to show me a little bit
more of why Paul wasstruggling because they alluded to
it and showed some things.
But I think they.
I wanted more there because Ithink where we talk about pacing
for me was the Norman stuffthat at times that felt like a slog
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a little bit.
And I wanted more of the.
Paul was more interesting to me.
I just don't think I gotenough of screen time to maybe connect
in that way.
And I struggle with that alittle bit.
It's fair, I think.
Excuse me.
Almost choked right there.
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I think Craig Schaefer's likea seriously underrated actor.
Like, I'm sure you've seen it,Matt, but the movie, the program,
like, I love him in that.
Like he does a night breed.
I always go back to these oldmovies because that's what he was
in a lot of older movies.
But I really like him.
So yeah, I do agree that Ilike, I like how he plays the character,
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but he also doesn't carry thesame weight as a Brad Pitt.
And I think that's one thingthat distracts me during the movie
is like, I see Craig Schaeferand I like, I love this guy.
But then Brad Pitt comes onand to Alex point, like, he's weird
in the, like he's out of placein this movie.
What he reminds me of is theMeet Joe Black character before he
dies.
Like, he's just like bubblyand weird, but there's some weird
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going on in his life.
And so you're like, what the hell?
So I.
It is a weird play for him.
Like, but when they'retogether, Brad Pitt just has that
presence, right?
Like, even when he's playing aweird character that may not fit,
like, you can't help but lookat Brad Pitt and go, that's Brad
Pitt.
And God damn, is he a goodlooking dude.
And he can act.
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And so Craig Schaefer, I thinktakes a little bit of like an under,
which is weird because he'sthe main narrator, storyteller of
this story.
And so I think they could havemaybe flip flopped the two and that
might have worked, but I don'tknow that Craig Schaer could play
that brother as well.
I, I don't know.
So it's just interesting.
But yeah, I, I definitely hear you.
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I think I can see both sidesof that to where it's.
There's some confusion betweenthe two and, and I don't know, Brad
Pitt was an odd choice forthis, but I think you're right.
I think Pretty Face,interesting character.
So he was grabbing movie rolesearly and quick at that point.
And this one was before.
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Legend of the Fall.
Legends of the Fall.
And I also, I, in this, I, Iwould wonder if Robert Redford was
trying to channel himself.
Brad Pitt, because it's verysimilar to Sundance Kid.
That's fair.
That's fair type of a look and.
A feel and a vibe.
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And so wouldn't surprise me ifRobert Redford was trying to live
vicariously by finding someonewho, you know, relatable look and
feel to his acting style.
That's true.
I will say, I do love.
One of the things I love aboutthis film is when the brothers are
together.
Like, especially when they gofishing and they're like, I really
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like the one dude when theytake the girl's brother out his dip,
shows up ripped out of hisgourd, gets all naked and gets his
nasty ass on his back.
I love it.
Makes me so happy.
Like, I laugh my ass off atthat entire sequence.
And them arguing together,like they have their own language,
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which I really love.
Like, they'll have thisconversation and people will be like,
the.
Are you talking about?
You know what I mean?
Because you can see thatconnection that they have from the
beginning of the movie throughout.
And I, I really like thatpiece of this film and watching those
two that no matter how longthey've been been separated or the
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differences in theircharacter, when they're by themselves,
right when they come together,they form this unit and they're.
They're with each other.
They'll drive each other to dodumb, like go down the dangerous
part of the river in a woodenboat or, you know, go.
They try to help each other.
I just really like thatrelationship and how it plays out
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on screen between the two of them.
And that's the one place whereI think Brad Pitt does shine because
you can see that he's hidingstuff from his brother because he
doesn't want to damage that relationship.
And that's what he lives foris those moments where he's out fishing
with his brother and his dador one or the other.
And like, spending that time.
And I really appreciate that.
That that is the focus of themovie and there's a lot of things
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going on, but those momentsare the ones that really hit home
for me is, like, thosetogetherness between those two and
how they move through thestory in that way.
I'd agree with that.
But where I struggled is,like, at the end with the.
When they really pull in thegambling scene.
Like, even the drunkardness,like, the way Brad Pitt portrayed
it, just never felt like itwas, like, truly a problem.
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Like, I just didn't see enoughof how it debilitated him and making
poor decisions.
Even when they were in that,like, sketchy club at the end or
whatever it was, he goes tothe table and they, like, kind of
push him away.
And you're like.
And then he's like, ah, it's fine.
Like, you're like, bro.
Like, are you, like, not allthere in the head?
Why?
And then he's like, I'm gonnago back right now.
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He's smiling about it.
And I know that's his demeanor.
I just.
I don't know, I felt like Ineeded a little bit more, like, emotional
depth from him to understandthe gravity of the situation, maybe
a little bit more.
But I think it was just more abrupt.
And I was like, oh, okay, Iknow this isn't going to end well,
but it's ending right now.
And I just.
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I wanted more of what that was.
And I. I think to your point,I liked how his brother was starting
the piece and discover that together.
I just felt like the way ithappened at the end was a little
more abrupt than I wasprepared for.
Granted.
I mean, this is a long movie,so, like, things.
I'm glad it ended, but I thinkthey could have woven a few of those
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things more together and cohesively.
Yeah.
I do think that they couldhave had at least one scene with
Brad Pitt's character, like,by himself, having, like, a down
moment where he's not.
Because it's obvious he putson a show whenever he's in front
of people.
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Like, he has that face andthat wall.
Even.
Even his family.
I think the closest he gets tothat when that comes down is when
he's fishing.
Right.
Is like, he doesn't.
There's nothing else he'sthinking about.
But, like, the.
I do agree that it would be.
I think it would have beenhelpful in the movie.
Now in the book, you don't get it.
And I think that's where themistake was made again is they.
They leaned heavily into thenarrator part of the book.
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And we're like, well, we'regoing to show it all from Craig Schaefer's
characters perspective, if you will.
Because that's what the book does.
It's more or less written in the.
It's just a first personaccounting of this from that character.
So leaning into that part ofit in the movie, I think is actually
a mistake.
I think they should have shownto your point, Matson, some things
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with that, with Brad Pittsaying, you know, showing that when
he's alone, maybe he'sstressed out or he's struggling or
he's having that internalbattle with those vices that he has
because we don't get to see that.
So we don't understand outsideof that one scene how deep and big
in trouble he actually is.
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And then you have to reallyquickly get to that point and you're
like, oh, he's gonna not showup to the fishing the next morning,
right?
And then they juke you on thatdeal and they have the great day
fishing.
And then it's later that he dies.
But it's like if they couldhave shown that, I think it would
have carried more weight andseriousness going into that final
scene.
And all we need is one.
I think just one scene showing him.
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And I think they try to do iton the one fishing trip with the.
The future brother in law,like where he goes off on his own
and then he's kind of likepensive and a couple.
But it doesn't do it.
It's not heavy enough.
There's not enough weight toit to really carry through the rest
of it.
And I think I'm kind of skewedbecause I did read the book and so
I, I caught.
There are pieces from the maincharacter where he catches.
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He picks up on the issues thathis brother has that hot.
That he hides long before weget to this point and he starts making.
So I piece those thingstogether because I have more information.
Right.
You brought up a part of thismovie that I'm like.
They could have omitted, butit was kind of funny was that whole
the.
The brother scene with thebrother in law and that whole like.
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I get part of what they weretrying to do.
I was like, man, this didn'tneed to go on as long as it did.
Like that's a part I could have.
I could have chopped most ofthat out.
The sunburn.
So funny though.
I know, but like, I don't.
Like I didn't.
I. I would have taken more of Paul.
Like, show me some More ofthat and I would have been here for
it.
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I think.
To me, it was a distractionthat didn't really play to the overall
ending of what they werereally trying to get at, which is
these two brothers.
I just didn't really care for it.
Sure get that.
What about you, Alex?
You gotta be something elsebrewing in that brain of yours.
Oh, something else brewing.
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The brain.
No.
I don't have many problemswith the movie, but I think it's
probably because I didn't readthe book.
I don't have anything tocompare it to.
Sure.
And so I was watching this andit Just the feeling I got from it
when everything just tiedtogether so well.
So you have, you know, this.
You know, the.
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The idea of this nice littleMontana family, church going.
All that good stuff.
And, you know, you think about the.
It took a kind of the.
The right spin on everything, Right.
So you have like a.
A church family.
That is a family goes to church.
There's nothing else.
No ulterior motive there oranything like that.
Then you have the.
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The homeschooling part, Right.
Where they didn't go to a school.
All he learned was how to readand write from his dad, essentially,
growing up.
And it spun it into.
Then once that was done, theyget to go hang out and be brothers.
And so you don't have theulterior motive or the bad part of
that either.
And so throughout this wholething, it was just super fun to watch.
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And then you get the ideathat, you know, dad is the disciplinarian,
Right.
When they go down the boat andthe river and everything like that,
and you get the feeling like,okay, maybe we're gonna see Dad's
True Colors.
Right.
But no, you fast forward nearthe end and Dad's still going out
fishing with them.
But he's not.
He's not taking joy in fishingso much anymore, more as just watching
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them fish and enjoy the, youknow, hit what his life has been
type of a thing, and enjoy thethings that he's taught him.
And so everywhere where thismovie could have taken, or the book,
really, whatever, the storycould have taken a turn, that would
make it less enjoyable, less wholesome.
It didn't.
It went ahead and even in somecases, pulled out of one word, it's
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like, oh, that's.
That's cool that they didthere, that they had that in there.
And so throughout the wholeentire movie, I just enjoyed it.
And even down to, you know,when we start to see Paul unravel,
like there's a little.
Little hint That I. I don'tknow if it was.
Can't remember exactly whereit happened, but it was when he makes
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up the story about thepresident and it's that, you know,
you can tell from there thatPaul really is a pleaser, right at
his core, he's going to be apeople pleaser.
So he will tell you exactlywhat he thinks you want to hear,
regardless of what it is.
And so, you know, he's got to.
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He's got to compete with hisbig brother type of a story thing.
And then we get to the pointwhere he can't think of a story.
And he gets to that pointwhere now all of a sudden the gu.
Who's the.
You know, you go anywhere inthis area, Montana, it's the newspaper
fisherman.
And, you know, it's, oh,you're the newspaper fisherman's
brother or this or that.
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And then all of a sudden wekind of see him lose that charisma
just for an instance.
And like, that's the.
That's the true.
Tell that, oh, there's somemore going on here because all of
a sudden he's.
He's off his game.
Can't think of a story, youknow, or he's told his last story,
he's got no more left.
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So I just.
It was a hidden gem for me.
I just sat there and I was.
I didn't have any problem with pacing.
I wasn't treat.
The entire, you know, four anda half hours or whatever.
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, the other part I don'tcare for is the fishing stuff.
I'm like, oh, see, I don't.
I don't.
I don't care for fishing.
Deep sea fishing, sure.
But I thought of JJ Like, I'msure you.
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It resonated in your soul.
Do you have.
You fly fish, Jay?
You know, I've tried, and Idon't have that skill set.
Yeah, I can't.
That's.
You know, that's another thingthat I love because I love to fish.
And I wish I could fly fish.
That's like, I've tried.
I've never been able to get it.
And it's probably because I'venever actually.
When I tried to learn, I wasvery young and so I'd never really
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fully committed to it.
I was like, this is just weird.
I don't get the.
The mechanics.
I think now I could probablyfigure it out.
But I love the way that theyuse fishing, too, to show the different
personalities of these two guys.
Because, like, you have, like, he.
He's Very adamant about thefact that his dad.
Their dad taught him to the metronome.
Like, this is the.
The key to fly fishing is that timing.
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And then the first time theygo as adults, you get to see Brad
Pitt's character.
That's like, he doesn't followthat he's made up his own rules and
he's gone.
So like, you see that he livesthat way his whole life.
Like, he does his own thing,makes up his own rules, finds way
to do things the way he wantsto do them regardless of anything
else.
And then you have his brother who's.
Who follows the rules, right.
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Like, he's like, I'm gonnafish this way.
And he still catches fish it.
And you know his dad, like, it's.
And I love the end too, wherehe tell.
His dad, tells Brad Pitt.
He's like, you are a fine fisherman.
Right.
Like, and it's not that hisbrother's not.
It's just like that'ssomething that his dad would never
do.
Something that his brotherwould never do.
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And so you get to see thatstark difference between Brad Pitt
and the rest of the family andhow he's gone off on his own.
And it's been.
It's led to his downfall ultimately.
Right.
But it also created someridiculously beautiful moments and
some things that make him wellknown across the state.
You know, all these different things.
So it's just an interesting.
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Like, I love that part howthey use the fishing so subtly to
show really quick how thedifference between these two brothers
and even the dad and.
Yeah, I just.
But I love the fishing mates.
Like, I get what it showedtoo, but I just.
I don't like.
Sure.
No, I.
It's just nice.
Did it enough times like you're.
You beat the point home likefour times.
Like I get it.
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Like I. I can see thedifferences in.
And how they fish.
And I did the fishing scene.
I did like they definitelyneeded one at the beginning that
the metronome and set the stage.
Like I get all that.
And then showing when Normancomes back and they go fishing and
he sees his brother and theshadow casting as his dad calls and
how different it is.
Like those two.
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100%.
I do they need to be.
As long as they were.
I don't know.
But I don't think I have aproblem with those.
So it just goes back to that.
The.
The trip with the.
The brother.
With the brother in law.
Just like that whole thing.
Like, maybe not, but yeah, I'm.
I'm not.
I've never resonated withfishing, don't have the patience
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for it.
And I don't even understand,like, fly fishing.
What's.
It's a much more active typeof fishing, as I assume.
Why do people pick fly fishingover normal fishing or vice versa?
Because they're fishing snobs.
The real reason is, like, your location.
So because they're fishing ona river, fly fishing tends to be
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more effective for a couple of reasons.
One, there's a ton of bugs.
And two, if, like, if you dolower fishing on a river, it can
be, especially a shallow riverlike that with rocks and stuff, you're
gonna get hung up every timeyou cast, and so it's pointless.
But with a fly fishing, theysit on the top.
Once they hit the water, theysit up there like a bug and like
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that.
Like, that's what the fishjump out.
And every time you hear, like,yeah, when you hear a fish jump in
the water, you're like, hey,was that a fish?
They're snagging a bug somewhere.
Like, that's just how that works.
So it's really location and,like, how you're fishing.
And then there is a certain.
Again, to your point, like,you talked about the patience with
it.
There's.
So fishing for me most of thetime is I cast a line in, I have
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my little goddamn floater onthere, or I'm fishing the bottom,
so it sits at the bottom, andI put the.
My fishing pole in my littlelawn chair holder, and I sit there
and I drink a beer while Iwatch my pole.
And the instant it starts tobounce or takes a yank, I pull that
out, set the hook, and reel myfish in.
That's a lot of patientfishing, right?
Like, you have to be willingto just sit there and do nothing.
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I think I could.
Like, if I was raised, flyfishing would be the fishing I would
do because it's active.
Like, you got to be involved.
You're.
Well, you have to think.
Like, you can't just flip the thing.
Like, you have to.
It's like they.
They show in that scene.
What are they biting on, right?
Like, you have to pick theright bug.
You have to move into theright areas.
Like, that's why he's alwayslooking at the shoreline.
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Or you got to know how thefish move, like, how they swim, how
they track, how they.
They feed.
And so there's a lot more tofly fishing.
There's a lot more strategy toit, a lot more thought process.
And like you said, it's very active.
Whereas catching dumbass troutin a lake I just put that in the
water and let them do.
Let it do the work.
Right.
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So it's like.
Or you hook it to a boat andtroll the out of it, and all you're
doing is driving.
Yeah.
Deep sea, you just troll.
That's something.
But then it gets exciting.
Once you got a big marlin onthe line and they got flexes muscles,
but.
Or you don't catch anything.
I like, I'll never forget whenI first met Tay.
We went to Hawaii and we knewthis local and he took us out on
the boat and we were justdragging line and just for whatever
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reason, like four hours ofjust nothing, Just straight nothing.
I was like, this is.
I'm just baking in this boat.
Horrible experience.
Got a little, like, seasick too.
I was like, yep, this is why Idon't fish.
But the opposite of that.
My best fishing experience wasdeep sea fishing on a bigger boat,
like out in the.
It was up in Boston off the harbor.
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Like, we went off of that andmade some really good fish.
We caught it, cooked it.
It was great.
But yeah, I just like, ah, yeah.
I love fishing, but I alsohave no problem just sitting there
like.
And not.
I don't even care.
Most time when I go fishing,I'm so happy when I catch fish.
If I don't catch fish, I don't care.
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That's not me.
Yeah, I'm good.
You want to go catch some fish?
Go up to Alaska during salmon season.
You don't even have to.
You just.
You can just reach in and scoop.
There's that fattest sea lionsI've ever seen.
Like, literally crazy.
They don't.
They don't do anything.
They're like, I don't evenhave to move.
They'll just come to me.
They.
It was the phrase fish.
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Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Literally.
Like, you just point, like,all right, I'll just kill like 40
of them right there.
Oh, yeah.
Crazy.
I love it.
Can't wait.
I love to fish.
I haven't fished that.
That I would go do againbecause it was like, you're gonna
catch delicious fish.
Like, I like food.
I like salmon.
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I'll do that again.
Yeah, I don't know.
I love fishing up where you'reat too.
We went out on the Puget,like, caught those freaking Lynn
cut lingcod.
That was fun.
We had a good time.
Those fish were ugly.
Big old ugly.
But boy, they were fun to catch.
And apparently they're good.
I don't eat fish, but my fish.
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Nope, you won't eat.
You Won't eat salmon.
No, it's gross.
I hate fish.
It's gross.
Yeah, I don't like al.
Yeah back.
Alex.
Do you not.
I never know.
I. I could eat fish everysingle meal for the rest of my life.
It'd be gross.
Salmon is delicious.
Nope.
Yeah, you're missing out there.
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You're wrong on this one.
It's so gross.
It's oily.
Tastes gross.
I don't like.
When's the last time you had,like, Alaskan king salmon?
Like, have you actually.
Have you ever even had it?
Dude, I've had.
Fresh out of the water an hourago, Alaskan king salmon.
Like, I've.
I.
What's wrong with you?
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I don't like fish.
I don't like fish.
I don't like the smell of it.
Seafood or just fish.
Or.
Not particularly.
So I can eat crab legs ifthey're, like, bathed in butter.
Like, and when I say bathed, Imean, like, I go to the steak and
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lobster.
Like, I'll go to steak andcrab legs, and I got a bowl of butter
and I break my crab legs, andI take my chunks of crab meat too
much and I set it in there,and then I eat some steak while it
soaks up all the butter, andthen I eat the crab legs.
Dude, I cannot believe youdon't like fresh salmon.
Like, I just salivate thinkingof that.
(31:27):
Oh, nope.
Salmon is.
You barely have to season that thing.
And it's just perfect.
You cook it just right.
I perfected my dad's eat.
You two, like, a minute and ahalf for each side.
That's the secret to get it to the.
Where you touch it with yourfork and it just goes.
Drops off.
Oh, gross.
I gotta go.
I'm eating salmon tomorrow.
Alec.
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I just bought a whole sidefrom the grocery store that's on
sale.
So, so good.
Or make, like, chipotle.
Chipotle salmon bites.
Little.
Like little.
Little Hawaiian style with alittle coleslaw and.
And pineapple and a littlespice to it.
I should send you the recipe, Alec.
It's delicious.
Easy to make.
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Very good.
I don't like this.
You two getting long.
This is the one time you'rewrong, jj.
I don't like this wholedynamic we got going on right now.
No, man, I don't like fish.
Never have.
I. I have never liked fish.
(32:31):
My.
And I don't know if it'sbecause when I was a little kid,
like, we were super poor whenI was growing up, and so we had fish
sticks, like, frozen fish sticks.
Was like, oh, I Don't like those.
That was the.
That I ate.
You know what I mean?
And so it's like, I. I justdon't like fish.
I mean, my mom doesn't like it either.
Like, the two of us.
Everybody else in my familyloves fit.
In fact, we had a barbecue onLabor Day and I had hamburgers and
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hot dogs for me and my sister.
Everybody else ate lingcodthat we caught in Seattle a month
and a half or whatever, twomonths ago or whatever it was because
we still had some from.
That was frozen from there.
And they love it.
They eat.
Like, Casey loves fish.
She loves sushi.
She loves all the seafood.
Not me, not this guy.
I can't even handle when shecooks it, dude.
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Like, I smell it and just.
I'm like, ugh, I forgot.
Like, when you told me aboutsushi stuff, I thought Casey was
the problem.
You're the problem.
No, it's me.
100.
No, Casey loves.
She'd eat sushi every day if I.
If I could handle it.
But I can't do a sushi jointand just tell you to off.
That's fine.
I.
And I'm okay, I'll go find afat ass burger somewhere.
Like, I'll find some red meat.
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No, she'd love it.
Here's the thing.
You take me to sushi, I'llfind something to eat.
I'm sure they all have stuff,so I'll go fish.
I don't like fish.
That's just.
You're dead wrong.
We'll end it at that, youknow, and then.
It's just.
I've solidified it.
The more I deal with fishlonger, like.
Like, I remember watchingCasey, we caught a bunch of.
(33:59):
Of rainbow trout and cutthroattrout up in strawberry.
It was.
We kept two cutthroat troutbecause they were massive and they
were fit within the guidelines.
But we had a bunch of rainbowtrout, and she made them.
And then, like, watching herpull the pin bones like I was looking
and like, she had a deworm, acouple of them.
And I'm like, see?
No, I'm out.
That's gross.
Like, any animal that justbuy, like, naturally, an hour later
(34:23):
you're cutting into it andcleaning it and you got to pull a
worm out of it.
I'm out.
That's gross.
I'm out.
I don't like it.
So I just added to my dislikeof fish.
But yeah, and there's adebate, my ongoing debate in my head,
like, pizza, burger, Mexican sushi.
Like, dude, there's so manygood Types of sushi I could just.
(34:46):
Man, it's hard.
I'm just like, there's so manydifferent styles.
I can crush sushi.
The problem is it's damn expensive.
But we.
It's one of those things likeI rarely, Jay, at this point go out
and get a burger because Iwish you won't be able to have one
of my homemade burgers becausejust the way the time works out.
But I'm.
I make a burger as good as I think.
Any restaurant I go to nowbecause it's the secret of preparation
(35:09):
or like pizza is one of thosethings I'll go out and get because
I barely eat gluten at homeanymore because of tay.
But like sushi, I don't carewhat you're doing.
You could, you can't makehomemade sushi.
Like you can get out of wellplaced restaurant.
Like that's one thing I'm bigon that when I go out to eat, I'm
like, I want something that I like.
I can't make almost as good Iwant if I'm gonna spend my money
(35:29):
on it.
You're missing out, man, somuch good sushi.
Hey, I tell Casey all the timeI wish I liked fish.
I do.
But yeah, I'm back in JJ'scamp when it comes to sushi.
I don't do sushi.
Yeah.
If I can't eat, if I can't eatother animals raw, why the would
I eat a fish raw?
This doesn't make sense to me.
(35:50):
Alec, you wouldn't have like.
I'm trying to think of the,the sushi one that had.
There's a bunch of it havesalmon on top.
You wouldn't eat one of those.
I don't touch sushi.
I got really, really sick fromit once and I won't go back.
And they have worms.
I've eaten a lot of sushi.
(36:11):
But I mean I've gotten sickfrom other places like Taco Bell
back in the day.
And I still ate it like.
But I don't really eat TacoBell anymore.
Like never.
But I would bet like you livelong enough, you get food poisoning
from.
Yeah, anything stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
I. Anyways.
Anyway.
Yeah, that's.
We.
I digress.
I can't believe you don't like fish.
(36:32):
Yep.
Don't like it.
Never have.
All right, let's rate this some.
We thought we got off topic.
Although it kind of fit the topic.
But anyway, I'm gonna givethis movie a three and a half.
And I say that because I thinkit, I think it's a great movie.
I love it.
I'll watch it pretty much anytime.
It's not even one of thoseheavy movies to me that I can't watch
repetitively.
(36:54):
But I do really hate the voiceover.
Like the, the narration drivesme nuts because there's so much.
And I think it's lazy whenthe, the content that they had in
this book, if they had justbeen a little creative with, could
have been an even better moviein my opinion, because you could
(37:15):
have cut back a bunch of thenarration that tells the story and
let the story tell itself.
Now you run the risk of thatbeing a very long movie, even long,
because it's about two hours long.
You're probably looking atmore like a two hour and 20 minute
movie at that point if you'renot having the narration tell a lot
of the story.
So it's kind of a give and take.
But I would rather watch theemotional pieces of it and take it
(37:37):
out of just one viewpoint.
So because of that, that's whyI give it the three and a half.
It probably.
I probably could give ithigher and feel okay about it.
But I do have enough issuewith the voiceover and, and the fact
that there's a lot of missingpieces that I think would have added
value to the movie that I. Ijust can't give it any higher.
So three and a half for me, Iwill definitely watch this movie
(37:58):
again because even though I'mgiving it three and a half, I still
like it and I still think it's.
I like it more than what thethree and a half rating says because
of the story of the movie.
I do think I'm a little biasedbecause I have read the book.
So from my perspective, thatadds some value because I know the
subtle that they're nottalking about in the movie or they
don't show it.
(38:18):
But yeah, I think therecertainly could have been a better
version of this movie thaneven what we got, which is great.
Matson.
Well, that was a confusingrating from jj.
Let me just break it down foryou people.
As a man of the people, thismovie, look, it's a little long,
(38:39):
but the storytelling and thecompelling nature of the brothers
and their development andtheir diverging and converging paths
and how they were raised andhow it ends up.
I think it's a good story.
Is it like the best Brad Pittthing I've seen?
No.
Would I rather, rather watchLegend of the Fall over this movie?
(39:00):
Yes.
I'm trying to think.
Do we remember what I gaveLegend of the Fall I can't even remember.
It was pretty high.
I gave it a five.
I think.
You gave it a four and a half.
I think like a four and a. Yeah.
I'm gonna give this movie a three.
Like it's not a bad movie.
It's definitely not like forthe storytelling alone, I think it's,
it's worth a watch.
I just, I, it just wasn't BradPitt's finest performance.
(39:23):
I didn't connect as much as I want.
I want a little bit more.
Everything that I've saidbefore, one little bit more screen
time.
Want a little bit more of the downfall.
Like the, there's that onekind of long scene with the, the
brother of Norman's soon to bewife in the future.
I just didn't care for it,just detracted from it.
I didn't resonate with thefishing, but the life lesson was
(39:45):
there.
I understood why it was there.
But things just took a littlebit longer in some areas than I would
have liked.
But for people that are verystory and character driven, it's
a great movie.
It's a three.
It's not, it's a three.
It's a three.
It'S not a three.
That's supposed to be in afour and a half like JJ said.
So just, just let the recordshow like what I give is what it
is.
Don't worry, I'll kick him inthe shins when I'm up in Seattle
(40:06):
next weekend.
Alec.
Since I don't have anypredetermined bias, it's a four,
I think, I think if you takeBrad Pitt out, it is a five.
And that's nothing againstBrad Pitt as an actor.
Just wrong character for him.
(40:27):
He did not fit in with theentire rest of the cast.
He's the, you know, outball.
And even though Paul's kindof, that kind of character doesn't
fit Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt justdoes not fit in this movie.
And I, I, I don't know whoelse would could replace him, but
I feel like you could probablyput anybody in there because the
(40:50):
story is really Norman's pointof view and having, you know, pretty
boy Brad Pitt in there kindais jarring detracts from it.
And then not having him meshso well with the cast just throws,
throws me for the biggest loop.
But I will watch this again.
I've already watched it since,you know, between now and when I
(41:10):
first watched it.
So it's, it's now added to theregulars and I enjoyed it.
It was great movie.
So yeah, four for me, Mission Accomplished.
I drove Madsen crazy and Ishared a movie, new movie with Alec
that he's added to the list.
Speaking of Alec, telleverybody where they can find us,
my friend.
Happy to.
Like JJ said, this is week four.
(41:32):
Yeah, four of Brad Pitt September.
Still mad that that doesn'thave the same ring as Amy Adams.
So I guess I'm gonna be madvery long time.
Like JJ said, best place tofind us is on Patreon.
You can get our content onYouTube where you see our smiling
faces or grouchy faces or justplain bored faces if you ever look
(41:52):
at Matt's window.
But Patreon's the best placeto get involved with content.
We have our votes up there formovies and for monthly topics.
I think we just recentlyclosed out the topics for October,
which is gonna be John Cusack.
Little spoiler alert there.
John Cusack movies.
(42:13):
But on the Patreon as well,behind a little bit of paywall is
close to now 600 episodes orextra bonus videos of content that
range from bloopers andouttakes all the way up to full length
videos and episodes of moviesnobody should ever watch.
But the voting process to getinvolved with the content that we
(42:35):
create is absolutely free.
So just go over to Patreon atwhat's our verte reviews?
Put in your vote.
It means a lot to us to getour movies that we select picked.
It's major bragging rights.
I only had one this month andI'm still pissed.
But with that, I'll kick itback to the Wazir of wap The Colossus
of Clout.
A jj.
(42:56):
That's right.
I've been on a streak lately.
You really have?
Yeah, I have been.
I don't remember.
I was trying to think of whenthe last time it was that I only
had like one movie picked ornobody picked.
I remember being pissed aboutit, but been a while.
What I picked for these movies.
All right.
Ocean's Thirteen and then nextweek's movie.
(43:18):
All right, Alec.
I did remember.
I just wanted to hear you say it.
Oh, hey, what's that, Alec?
World's smallest violin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you pick weird to withMatson every single time.
(43:39):
Sometimes it works.
That's fair.
That's fair.
All right, well, I think ourtopic next month.
I probably don't even have apick because I threw a dart at a
board.
I knew nothing about JohnCusack at all.
Yeah, I don't think I got one.
We'll see.
I'm pretty sure you got two.
Did I really?
Yeah, I think you just picked,like, two of his most popular movies.
(44:01):
We'll talk about it.
But I think.
Yeah, that's funny.
I didn't even know what I was.
Because there was only, like,one or two that was, like, outside.
I was like, I don't even knowwhat I'm doing here.
Anyways, we'll get there.
Anyway, we'll get there.
All right.
So with that, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the nextbaby cinematic.
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