March 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Alec, Mattson and JJ center on the film "Bull Durham," a notable work within the realm of sports cinema featuring Kevin Costner. Throughout our discourse, we collectively express our dissatisfaction with the film, emphasizing its perceived lack of coherence and depth. As we delve into various aspects of the narrative, we critique the film's reliance on romantic entanglements rather than a substantive exploration of baseball itself. The dialogue reveals a general consensus that the comedic elements fall flat, failing to elicit the intended humor. Ultimately, we invite our audience to engage with our reflections and share their perspectives on this polarizing classic, questioning its esteemed status among baseball films.
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They make a mess with like thecereal and milk and they leave her
for three days.
Like that really pissed me off.
I'm not going to lie.
It bothered me too.
When he knocked it over andjust let it keep spilling.
I was like, that's going to smell.
I welcome to the what's Everypodcast We fashion ourselves cinematic
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Judge and Jerry.
My name is JJ Carter.
I'm here with my co hosts Matt.
Siner, Better Red Than Deadand Alec Burgess.
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Or I won't go there.
But yeah, and you know, if Iwon't go there, it's really bad.
It's more that I just couldn'tfind a way to say it that may not
make me feel like sound likean more than I already do.
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But yeah.
We are in week four of ourKevin Costner sports film marathon
for the month of March.
Week four, we're jumping intoan interesting one.
We're back in baseball forKevin Costner sports movies.
So let's do this.
It's Bull Durham.
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It was released June 15, 1988.
It was written and directed byRon Shelton.
Stars Kevin Costner, SusanSarandon, Tim Robbins, Trey Wilson,
Robert Wool, William O'Leary,David Niedorf, Danny Gans and Robert
Dickman.
It is about a fan who has anaffair with one minor league baseball
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player.
Each season meets up an up andcoming pitcher and the experienced
catcher assigned to him.
That's a terrible synopsis.
I mean, all of those thingsare true, but it doesn't really describe
the movie very well.
No.
All right, Alec, this turd wasyours, right?
Yes, sir, it was.
All right, well, let's hearwhy you picked it.
Well, here's the problem thatI'm having, right?
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So I'm coming to anuncomfortable realization about Kevin
Costner sports movies.
And it's that I don't actuallylike Kevin Costner sports movies.
I like the supporting cast inKevin Costner.
Support the sport moviesbecause 100% this came on list because
it's Tim Robbins.
Because it's, it's shocking tome that Tim Robbins can go from,
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you know, playing this dudeand then just a few years later,
he's a Shawshank.
Yeah, I think he's like fiveyears later, he's playing Shashi.
Yeah.
The Jump from that is crazy.
The range that he has and thenthe entire story.
I could actually care less ifKevin Costner's in it, and I just
want more.
What's his bucket, Ebby?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Abby throwing wild.
Like, more montage of that.
Because it cracks me upbecause you have this, you know,
which is a pretty commontheme, right.
If you were able to throw 95plus, like, the thing that's gonna
be an issue for you is makingsure you get it to go where you want
it to go.
And even though they play intoit and make it really just terrible
control, like, not even closeto being accurate, I'm cracking up
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the entire time becausethey're reading off the stats.
You know, hit the bull fourtimes this game or all this stuff.
So I'm cracking up at the.
The ridiculousness of that.
And honestly, I could actuallydo without Kevin Costner in the movie
at all.
But I picked it because it's a.
Wow.
It's almost the antithesis ofField of Dreams.
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Antithesis.
Antithesis of Field of Dreams.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's fair.
And I want to torture you guysa little bit.
Why not?
Yeah, you know, Bull Durham.
Some movie I want to like.
But every time I watch it, Iremember why I don't like it.
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Yeah, I guess I can.
I can really leave it at that.
Like, at everything that youjust said, while wildly true for
yourself, Like, I just don't.
I find this movie, and this isfunny, having come off of, you know,
earlier recording Tin cup,which also is very ridiculous from
the perspective of when you'rethinking about a sports movie and
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things like that.
Like, this one is soridiculous to me.
Like, I can't even get behind.
Like, I don't.
There's rarely movies that Icome away with that are especially
comedies, because I give a lotof leeway to comedies about, like,
you can be ridiculous andstill be funny, which makes the movie
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entertaining, which means thatI probably will like it on some level.
I don't find this movie entertaining.
I barely find it funny.
And I don't understand the point.
And I realize it's becausethere isn't one, really.
But most comedies, I can go,okay, I.
I'll give you some leewayaround not having a point.
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This one I can't.
Like, I just.
I want to.
By the time I'm done, I feel,like, so unsatisfied.
Like, it's just, like, I hate it.
I hate it.
Not a big fan of this movie,so thanks for that, buddy.
You're welcome.
And this is Even, like, theone Kevin Costner sports movie that
Casey doesn't like.
Like, she was like, alec, itwas great.
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Matt, what about you, buddy?
Yeah, like, Bull Durham.
I.
This is another.
It's funny, some of theseolder sports movies, like, this movie
was on tv, like, I would say adecent amount growing up.
So I'd never.
I don't think I'd seen thismovie all the way through, but I
definitely seen pieces of this movie.
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But having to watch it end toend, I don't.
I don't know why so manypeople like, like this movie.
They come back to this movie.
As far as baseball movies go,this is, like, my least favorite
baseball movie.
Like, I.
I think you just said it best, Jay.
I was trying to search for,like, why I don't like this movie.
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Like, when I think about whatthis movie was, like, what was the
point?
Like, what did I take awayfrom it was.
Is it.
I played baseball for a longtime, and I finally settled down
and left the game.
And his girlfriend is donefinding a new boyfriend every season
for the past, like, 25 seasons.
Like, okay, I just don't,like, if that's what I'm taking away
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from it.
Like, did I need to watch it?
And I didn't really care for,like, the antics of the young pitcher
and, like, when they went on,like, their kind of montage or they
were winning games.
Don't end the streak and all that.
I don't know.
Like, it just didn't.
If it was supposed to be moreabout baseball and, like, wanting
me to, like, the action didn'thave enough of that.
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Like, the Rookie or, like,Moneyball or some other baseball
movie I should be able to name.
But if it was more about thestory and the character progression
and, like, baseball as abackdrop, which this movie, it probably
was.
I just didn't resonate withwhat was on screen.
And the pace of it just.
It just kept kind of like,man, like.
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Like, I just was like, allright, we get it.
Is something more excitinggonna happen?
You're always waiting forsomething more.
It never really happened.
I'm like, oh, this is it.
All right.
Like, okay.
Like, at least it was.
It was, like, true to form.
Like, he didn't have some.
Like, oh, he's an old.
Like, the Rookie, forinstance, where it's cheesy.
Where he's like, but cheesy.
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And it was true.
So it's like, like, so I can't.
I can't.
Like, in fact, I should redactthat statement.
It did happen.
So, like, at least it wasn'tHollywood eyes where this old catcher
was good, but he got hot.
He went to the majors foranother short stint.
At least they didn't do that.
They stayed true to form the show.
The game is hard.
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Like you're slogging through it.
Like you can appreciate it for that.
But like, there's just otherbaseball movies that do all of that
better.
And the story behind it Ithink is more compelling in other
movies.
I just don't get what thewhole it factor is with this movie.
Yeah, I've never understoodthe infatuation with this movie.
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Like, there's a lot of peoplethat say it's one of the best baseball
movies ever made.
And I'm like, you fell in it?
Because no, this movie sucks.
It's not even about baseball.
Like, it's just, it's about.
And I will say the one linethat gets me, and I'm trying to remember
exactly how she says it, butit's something about the world was
made for people that have noself awareness.
And I'm like, that's a great line.
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And it's so true because mostpeople that love all of our listeners,
but most people that live inthis world are kind of dumb and have
very little self awareness,myself included.
So I love that line, but it'snot about baseball.
I don't even know what theit's about.
Like that.
I think that's the problem.
Is this about baseball groupies?
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Is it about minor leaguebaseball players?
Is.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
And so I can't follow anything.
Like there's no through linefor me to get attached to and enjoy.
And so I just have like, Ijust find myself going, what the
am I watching?
More often than I find myselflaughing, which is a problem.
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Like this is a movie I shouldbe giggling at.
And like the only thing thatmakes me laugh is when I think the,
the hardest I laugh is in thegame where he's doing exactly what
the character she tells him.
You have to do exactly what hesays to do.
And so he's going through.
And he's telling him to dodumbass, right?
And then he's like, throw itat the bull.
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He's like, what?
And I love that part.
Like when he actually throwsit in the bowl.
Well, like that's the onlypart that really, really gets me
is that.
And I do laugh at some of thescenes that you're talking about,
Alec, where like they read offstats that are like so fucking ridiculous.
But it's baseball.
So you know they're keepingtrack of stupid shit like that.
So I don't know.
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But yeah, like, for the mostpart, I was like, God damn it, Alec.
I think they should haveleaned more into the fact that Crash
Davis is this, you know, likethis ultimate catcher, right?
The general, the person who'scalling everything.
Because you have two greatmoments and they're the same moment
where throws down a pitch,gets shook off, and then he just
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tells the batter what's coming.
Yeah.
And like it's the ultimatearound and find out.
True.
And so it comes down and itshowcases that Crash knows what he's
talking about.
Right.
Because if you listen to whathe's saying, you know, guys putting
up great numbers and it'seventually what gets him into the
majors is by, you know, hedoesn't know how to call his own
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game.
Right.
He's got to rely on hiscatcher and he's got a great one
in Crash.
And I wish they would haveleaned into that a little bit more
because then you could getinto, you know, the strategic or
the mind game that is baseball.
Right?
You know, hey, this guy, thisguy got pegged real bad.
Throw it behind him and he'sgonna, you know, pull John crook
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from the 1997 All Star Game orwhatever it was like, you know, have
this kind of strategy, go intoit to where you realize that, oh,
this dude is only good, youknow, he's got all the talent, but
he can only throw a gamebecause what Crash Davis is doing
behind the plate and make thatmore of the, you know, quote unquote
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package deal.
Because they have a couplemoments in there where it's like,
hey, you told him a deuce.
Was.
You told my story on thedeuce, right?
Yep.
Like, you just knew it afterthe second one.
And so that's the stuff thatgets me.
Because he knew, he knew hefucked up as soon as he threw the
pitch.
There goes his, you know, twohit shutout or whatever it was.
Yeah.
All because Crash Davis has ahuge ego, but he's right when he's
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doing it.
Yeah.
This guy's pitching a two.
No, do it shut out.
And he doesn't want to listento me.
Exactly.
So he just tells him, hey,this is what's coming.
Yeah, get ready for the heat.
Yeah.
Or gets himself beat up in abar to show what they got to protect
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your pitch in hand.
And all this stuff, I'm like,dude, these, these life lessons,
man, these are a hard way tolearn them.
It's true.
I do love.
I do not Love.
But I appreciate the payofftoo at the end where they're doing
the interview with him nowthat he's in the bigs and he says
the exact.
That Crash told him to sayduring the interviews.
Like, I do appreciate that thelife lessons were learned.
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No matter how moronic this kid is.
Like, he picked up those life lessons.
And I will say that I didchuckle too.
Like, when he like goescelibate because he's winning.
And like Crash, like, irked islike, he teased his way into that.
Like, I did find that.
I was like, that's clever.
He knows, you know he's gonnalisten to you, so you keep him from
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sleeping with the girl thatyou want to sleep with.
But like, I.
I don't know.
I guess here's another problemand this one's all me.
And it's unfair.
But I'm.
I've also never found SusanSarandon that attractive.
So like all the hub hubbub about.
I'm with you with that.
Yeah, I'm with you there.
I was like, the wrong actresswas this, like, if you're gonna do
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this, like, this has got to be.
And I look, Susan Strandon'sattractive just in a different way.
She's an on.
What's the word I'm looking for?
An abnormal attractive.
Right.
She's not that normal.
Whatever you want to call it.
Not saying she's an ugly woman.
She's just not your typical.
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And it's funny because thelittle blonde sidekick that she has
is more what I would havepictured as like, needed to be this.
This holy grail of fans that'ssleeping with the baseball players.
And that's another storylinethat actually ruins this movie for
me because it takes out areally funny character.
That girl, the blonde girlmakes me laugh.
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Like some of her and like howshe's throwing herself at these ball
players and enjoy.
Like, I like that.
And it made me laug.
So when she ends up with theBible thumper and they take her out
of that, I'm like, God damn it.
Now it's not funny.
Like she.
So they.
You lose a funny character forthe last 20, 30 minutes of the movie
or whatever it is that onceshe meets him.
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And I was just like, God damn it.
So I just think there was somebad casting choices, probably including
Kevin Costner.
I don't know that KevinCostner was the right.
I just don't know that thismovie was written to be entertaining,
at least not for me.
Like, I just find it confusing.
And I.
There's not even A lot ofquotable things.
Like, I can forgive Tink up alot because I can quote that movie
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all day long.
This one, I'm like, there'snot much that.
That.
That's really funny.
I said a hard day.
If you're trying to make it atrue to form baseball, you're telling
me that this pitcher who couldthrow fast but has no control and
is like wildly out of control,gets called up in the majors after
he goes like, on a winning streak.
I'm like, I don't know, I just didn't.
It seems so far fetched to me.
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Just didn't and he didn't.
Never had the Persona beingSona's like, are they really gonna
call this guy up to the big leagues?
Like, he's ready to go to the big.
It never even felt like thatwas a possibility.
Yeah, I didn't have too much aproblem with that because I grew
up watching Randy Johnson andhe is almost the same type of picture,
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minus all the, you know, crazy.
Like the control and everything.
Like, they called him up andhe couldn't hit the backstop.
Nobody never threw one intothe press box either.
Like, I mean, well, that's thething between hitting the dirt a
lot, which Randy Johnson didearly on in his career, and then
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like throwing one to WestTexas from Carolina, you know what
I mean?
Like, that.
I think they could have justlike, they did it for the movie's
sake.
But it's like, all right,like, dial it back a little bit.
Like, make it a little bitmore believable.
Like, come on.
It.
It just.
It was.
It was a little bit much there.
Like, again, there's a lot inthis movie that they were trying
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to show.
Like, there's a loo kid.
That one.
He also looked too old forwhat they were portraying.
Like, I think that got me too,where it's just the, the age dynamics.
I was like, if they're tryingto make this guy seem really young,
like, he doesn't look youngenough to be the way he's acting.
Like that also tripped me upat times of like, what the.
What's the actor's name?
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I should know his name.
Tim Robbins.
Yeah.
So you talking about Nuke?
Because that's Tim Robbins.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, he just looked too oldto be like the young guy.
And it threw me off sometimes.
Like.
Like some of the other peoplethey were playing with, they looked
far younger, but I know somebaseball people can be a lot older,
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but it just.
That threw me for a loop alittle bit because I Liked a lot
of the interactions betweenNuke and Crash.
Especially, like, as we talkedabout, like, new calling the shots
on the mound and them like,figuring it out.
And like, they did a good jobwith that.
But the things outside of it,I didn't quite care about.
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Nukes, like, love story.
Not love story and Crash, likefiguring out at the end.
Like, it.
I don't know, it just didn'tland for me.
Yeah.
And that's what a lot of thismovie's about.
So if I didn't like that,then, like, what am I watching?
Yeah, it's a good point.
Like that is.
I don't enjoy the.
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The main aspect of this story.
Like, I could have donewithout, to your point, as I could
have done without SusanSarandon's character altogether.
Like, I didn't need that.
The dynamic of these playersis what I really.
The only part that I wanted toreally enjoy.
Like, I just don't care aboutthis whole love story.
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Slash, her sleeping with aplayer and they becoming awesome
because of it.
I'm like, sex is cool, butit's never made anybody better at
baseball.
I hate to break it to you.
It just didn't happen.
And Matt, you're not wrong.
The 80s were tough like we have.
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There's been a dynamic shiftwhere now you can have like 30 year
olds playing 18 year olds.
Back in the day, you had 20year olds that were playing 20 year
olds, but they look like theywere 35.
So about the 70s and 80s, theymade them different.
Back then it might have beenall the cigarettes, but yeah, they.
It was different.
They did have a problem.
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Now we're like, that person's30 and they're playing an 18 year
old, but they look okay at itmost of the time.
Now it's different.
But back then, yeah, he lookedold as.
Doesn't help that Tim Robbinsis like 8ft tall too.
Like, makes him look humongous.
Yeah, I think the height also had.
So he just.
It just didn't.
It didn't work.
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Yeah, it was weird.
Very Randy.
I would have been funny.
Obviously this is before RandyJohnson's time, but, like, having
him hit a bird would have been hilarious.
Poor Randy Johnson.
That him up for like a longtime after he killed that bird.
To me, this movie is, I think,ripe for like a remake.
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I think you could put in likea baseball star or two that has enough
acting chops and make them theNuke and then have like a really
good actor be Crash and thenlike, you're talking about Jay, like,
make I Don't pick.
I'm with you on the season thing.
Like, pick something that'smore like generic hotness or something.
Just.
I'm with you on that.
I think you could remake thisand make it focus even more on the
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humor aspect of it.
I think it could be pretty funny.
Oh, I agree.
I think if you, if you tonedown some of the ridiculousness and
then, yeah, get the rightpeople in it, I think you could remake
this and have it be good.
You'd have a fit for all thepeople that think this movie's great.
Just let him die first andthen remake it.
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Well, tell me how it is whenyou see me next time because I'll
probably be toast if that'sthe case.
Case post.
Those are my age for some reason.
Yeah, no, this, this is.
I'm with you.
I could see that.
Like, it could be good for a remake.
Like, if you remade it andthen you had like, like the.
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I think if you did it morelike, you'd have to do major league
style.
Like, make it put in the majors.
Put it like what they've donewith some of these movies where they,
like, they're good atincorporating like current NBA stars
or MLB stars and like,surrounded by the ecosystem, like,
live within the reality of it,but then, like, try to perform a
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satire within it.
I.
I feel like that format could work.
I agree.
I think it could also be.
And this is probably a hottake, but I think you could make
like a TV series out of this.
Yeah, something like this.
You know what I mean?
Like, where it's a long termkind of thing and I think it would
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be entertaining for like acouple of seasons.
Then you'd have to let it go.
But like, or you could do itlike, what are they doing?
What do they call them now?
Like, where they have these different.
Like American Horror Storywhere they have different seasons,
but they're like standalone seasons.
Even though it takes place inthe same universe and it's usually
the same actors.
Like, I'm not saying do thesame actors, but like, you could
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do different positions orsomething each season or they're
like a new rookie every yearor something like that.
Like in each season's different.
I think there's some options.
I like that idea.
I never really considered it a remake.
Bring Kevin Costner back asthe coach.
Crash.
Yeah, there was.
Oh God, there was.
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I can't remember the name of it.
There was a movie that would.
That I think had the DurhamBulls in it.
Like, trying to remember.
Freddie Prinze Jr.
Was in it, which didn't helpits case, but, God, what was it called?
Because it was.
But it.
I think it.
Ironically enough, it wasbetter than this, in my opinion.
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And it's one of the Summer Catch.
It's called Summer Catch.
It had Freddie Prinze Jr.
And Jessica Beal, MatthewLillard, Wilmer Valderrama.
Terrible movie, but it wasbetter than this.
But it.
Like, he was a picture kind of thing.
It was.
It was interesting.
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When you talk about thatpremise, like, you think of Karate
Kid and what they've done withCobra Kai.
I just finished it.
And, like, they took movie andmade it a TV show and built upon
that and, like, lean into it.
I'm like, that format couldwork for some stuff you want.
If that's the way you want toreboot something.
Because I even appreciated,especially at the end, they brought
in almost every character andthey had them come back at some point
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and, like, played their littlepart in.
I was like, wow, this actually worked.
How did they do that?
Because you don't see that.
I was like, how did they.
And 1.
I'm like, how do they get someof these people to come back and
act for that one moment?
They're probably not evenacting anymore, but they got them
to do it well.
They even got the one guy thatwas, like, terminally ill in real
life come back in right beforehe actually passed away, I think,
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and, like, play.
He was.
I didn't know that he was one of.
What's his face.
His friends from the original movie.
Like, the.
Not Daniel, but what's Johnnylike, one of the Cobra Kai guys?
Like, he was one of those guys.
Could be.
I.
It was one of the four ofthem, like, when they were all kids
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and he was hanging out andthey had, like, season one or season
two where they went to, like,camping or whatever and they were
out drinking, like, by a fire.
One of those guys in real lifehad cancer.
Played like that in that thingin the show.
And then they used it.
Clever.
I know you're talking about.
They just.
They got.
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They got so many people.
Like, they had one dude thathe was in the original as one of
the Karate Kids in thetournament that got, like, third
place and he was the judgefor, like, the last match.
I was like.
I was like, how did they getthis guy?
Like, that's so crazy.
All that to be said.
And we're really getting offof the tangent, but I think Cobra,
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like, they found somethingwith that where, like, some of these
other.
It's not just do a full rebootlike, shoot, dude.
Like reopen your ecosystem andbring some people back and tell the
story in a different way.
And Kevin Costner's stillacting like crazy.
Like, could work.
Yeah.
And he's a much better actor now.
I'd be like, shoot, dude.
I probably watch it.
It's fair.
And he's.
Yeah, I could see him being anold gruff like.
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Dick out there.
Oh, yeah.
Well, it would be funnier isif he's like the.
Consider him the manager.
And he goes out and tells a batter.
Like what is.
Like that would be great.
Or like he goes out and tellsyou get.
Maybe you get some KennyLofton remake, you know, like some
dude that's just fast asstealing bases.
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And like he tells the picture,the catcher, he's gonna steal second
because he's being.
He tells him not to her.
So he tells him.
He's still saying, that'd befunny as that would be.
All right, Hollywood, we'recoming for you.
Get it done.
I don't know if you getCostner in it, though.
He's so busy making more ofhis, like bloated western.
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He's all right.
He's all about the western life.
I can't say I hate it.
Love a good Western.
Yeah, well, he's.
He loves Utah.
He makes it his.
He's been pushing hard.
But between Utah and.
I think he does a lot inArizona too now.
But yeah, Kevin Costner, good old.
The way he is now.
That dude needed to be bornlike the 19th century.
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Like the wild, wild west times.
Like, he plays it well.
I'm like, shoot, dude, youprobably could have been it.
Yeah.
And it's such a weird swingtoo, because he's either like full
on western, hard ass guy.
Well, a lot of times.
Or you see him in sportsmovies where it's just like.
Because he does have anobsession with baseball.
Like, he's done quite a few.
Like if you think about actorsthat have gotten pigeonholed, like,
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he's done For Love of theGame, Field of Dreams, Bull Durham.
Trying to think if there wasanother one.
But those three for sure.
Baseball.
And then the fact that likeyou can IMDb this dude.
And we found, what was it,nine different sports movies that
the guy's done in his career.
Like, that's crazy.
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I don't think there's anotheractor I can think of that's done
that many like a sports movie or.
You know what I mean?
It's crazy what he.
He's a weird dude.
But then he does like Mr.
Brooks and that's a great one.
But yeah, the better, theolder he's got, the better he is.
And this is a movie that hisgoofiness doesn't come out.
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Like, is that weird?
So to me, like, I just don't,I don't know.
He's not, he's hit and miss in this.
But I also just think themovie isn't my favorite thing in
the world, period.
There's a lot of things that Ican't, that I can forgive in this
movie, but there's two that Iwill not.
And the first is you got aswitch hitting catcher who can call
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a game like nobody's business.
And he spent 21 days in the majors.
Yeah, like, that doesn't make sense.
Make it make him not be ableto hit a curve or, you know, you
know, slider blind.
Can't.
Can't do it.
Give him some sort of hiccup.
But on, on screen and like, onpaper, he's the perfect, perfect
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person that you want catchinga major league ball game.
And so that was one where Iwas like, give, give him a crutch.
Anything that would keep himout because it, the talent is there,
right?
You're showing that me thatthe talent is there and they're just
not recognizing it forwhatever reason.
So he could be in thisposition to help a young guy out.
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And the second one is near theend where they're having that montage
scene of all the, you know,lovey dovey Kevin Costner, Sarah
Saran and stuff.
And they leave.
They make a mess with like thecereal and milk and they leave her
for three days.
Like, that really pissed me off.
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I'm not gonna lie.
It bothered me too.
When he knocked it over andjust let it keep spilling.
I was like, that's gonna smell.
I.
I was sitting there going, why?
I mean, I'm fine if you leavethe mess, but like, at least pick
up the carton so it doesn'tkeep pouring out.
Like, but then also like thesex in the bathtub scene.
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I'm like, oh, look, man, ifyou know you're gonna have sex in
the bathtub and I'm game.
Like, if you got one of thosecool bear claw soaking tubs and you
can make that work and you'reokay with the logistics of it.
Good on you.
But don't fill it full.
Like, when that startssplashing onto the floor, my head
goes, oh, you just ruined your floor.
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Like, I just, like, that'sexpensive to replace either that
wood.
The only thing you're doingsafe is if there's tile on there.
But even then, the amount ofwater that they were spilling out
in two seconds, and thatwasn't even the height of what they
were doing.
Like, dude, you just up a lot of.
Right there.
Your base whale moves in there.
I was like, so I'm with you.
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I was like, no, don't.
Don't.
Don't do that.
Like, I love sex, but none ofit's worth ruining my baseboards
for.
Well, as we wrap things up, Iasked Chat GPT.
It's basically Kevin Costnerin Sylvester Stallone tied for the
most.
Oh, really?
Well, you got to think abouthow many Rockies.
Sure.
He's done Rocky movies.
I guess technically, those.
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I don't know.
I look at those as all one, though.
But I get where it.
Yeah, I mean.
I mean, yeah, they're movies.
Yeah.
Definitely wins for the mostdiverse type of one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then a close second, like,third, fourth.
Like, Adam Sandler's up there.
And surprisingly, Will Ferrellas well.
You think about all the.
He's an Ice skating tobasketball to soccer to some other
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things.
I should probably nascar.
He's been a lot of different ones.
All hyped up on Mountain Dew.
Sorry.
Last.
It's the only line in thatwhole movie that I actually, like,
hate that movie.
Anyway.
Should we rate this thing?
Let's rate it.
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All right.
Alec.
My movie.
I get to go first.
Yes, you do.
I'm G.
Give bulldormer 3W.
Yeah, shut up.
It's.
It's enough for me to enjoy,and I get what they're trying to
do.
I don't like a lot of how theydid it, but aside from the unforgivable
scenes, like, I'm cracking upfor a lot of this movie because I'm
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like, that was stupid, but itwas funny.
Like, I get the joke, and soI'm gonna give it a three.
I will watch it again.
100.
Let me go.
Yeah, this movie's like.
It's a two.
Will not watch it again.
I did not like what they weretrying to do as much.
If you're trying to watch thisfor baseball, go watch a different
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movie.
If you're watching thisbecause you want to watch good acting
and character progression andbeautiful people on screen, go watch
something else.
And, yeah, like, I wish Ididn't have to see this, but, you
know, it's classic.
Not all classics are made the same.
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Fair.
Yeah.
I'm gonna give it a 2 as well.
I don't understand it.
Like, I don't even see whatthey're trying to do other than have
sex, baseball.
And a little bit of comedy.
Goofy comedy.
Like, I don't.
But as far as, like thethrough line and the point of the
movie, I don't see it.
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I never have.
It has some funny moments,kind of, but then it's got a lot
of moments where I'm just bothered.
Then there's moments where I'mjust like, I don't want to watch
this anymore.
Got them kid noises, them babies.
I like it.
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So, yeah, like, I just don't.
It's just.
It's.
It's not my favorite movie andit is a classic.
It's hard to argue with thefact that a lot of people do like
it, but I just don'tunderstand why they like it because
it's just not my favorite.
And if Casey looks at.
And I.
I think what my selling pointis, if Casey, who is an absolute
Kevin Costner fan girl,doesn't like it, this movie sucks
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because she loves KevinCostner regardless, so.
And she doesn't like that shewas cursing your ass left and right,
Alec, when we're watching it.
So it was pretty funny.
But, yeah, I mean, two for me.
I will try to not ever watchthis movie, but I can't guarantee
that I won't.
Like.
It's a lot easier now than itused to be when, you know, because
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I can more or less never watchanything I don't want to watch typically.
But I don't see why I would.
Unless one of you put it onand made me watch it hanging out,
which I don't see happening.
Except maybe Alec, because he's.
I.
There's a long list of moviesI'd put on before this one.
Sure.
That makes sense.
I believe that.
I believe that.
So, yeah, there it is.
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Two for me.
Yeah.
It's not our.
If Alex is going to take thatopportunity, he's going to pick something
else first for you, you and heto watch, I'm sure.
Super Baby Geniuses 2 justmeans I'll.
Fall asleep on your ass.
That's.
That's all that means.
All right, so, Alec, telleverybody where they can find us.
Happy to.
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So this is week four.
Thank you for tuning into weekfour of our Kevin Costner sports
movies.
And let us know in the comments.
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Because the people seem tolike Bull Durham and Madsen did not
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Crash A.
JJ I gotta step in here.
Jay.
I'm sorry.
I'm gonna silence you people.
You listen.
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And sometimes we have to saveourselves from ourselves.
And sometimes we have to havea voice of reason, an anchor amongst
the storm.
I'm not sure man, the peoplewould disagree with the people so
much is all I'm saying.
Sometimes the people need tosee the error of their ways and they
need to be enlightened.
We really disagree.
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This movie gets a 97 fresh wowwow from from critics.
And it's an 82% fresh from the people.
You better take off thatpeople crown, Matson.
You'd have lost your touch.
And even on IMDb it's a 7 outof 10.
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I don't understand it.
I, I.
Please somebody tell me in thecomments why this movie is as popular
and as famous and what it is.
I just don't get it.
I don't get the movie.
I don't get why people like it.
But whatever, who am I?
I'm certainly not a man of the people.
But with that, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
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Bye.
Hasta la vista, baby.
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They make a mess with like thecereal and milk and they leave her
for three days.
Like that really pissed me off.
I'm not going to lie.
It bothered me too.
When he knocked it over andjust let it keep spilling.
I was like, that's going to smell.
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But yeah.
We are in week four of ourKevin Costner sports film marathon
for the month of March.
Week four, we're jumping intoan interesting one.
We're back in baseball forKevin Costner sports movies.
So let's do this.
It's Bull Durham.
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It was released June 15, 1988.
It was written and directed byRon Shelton.
Stars Kevin Costner, SusanSarandon, Tim Robbins, Trey Wilson,
Robert Wool, William O'Leary,David Niedorf, Danny Gans and Robert
Dickman.
It is about a fan who has anaffair with one minor league baseball
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player.
Each season meets up an up andcoming pitcher and the experienced
catcher assigned to him.
That's a terrible synopsis.
I mean, all of those thingsare true, but it doesn't really describe
the movie very well.
No.
All right, Alec, this turd wasyours, right?
Yes, sir, it was.
All right, well, let's hearwhy you picked it.
Well, here's the problem thatI'm having, right?
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So I'm coming to anuncomfortable realization about Kevin
Costner sports movies.
And it's that I don't actuallylike Kevin Costner sports movies.
I like the supporting cast inKevin Costner.
Support the sport moviesbecause 100% this came on list because
it's Tim Robbins.
Because it's, it's shocking tome that Tim Robbins can go from,
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you know, playing this dudeand then just a few years later,
he's a Shawshank.
Yeah, I think he's like fiveyears later, he's playing Shashi.
Yeah.
The Jump from that is crazy.
The range that he has and thenthe entire story.
I could actually care less ifKevin Costner's in it, and I just
want more.
What's his bucket, Ebby?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Abby throwing wild.
Like, more montage of that.
Because it cracks me upbecause you have this, you know,
which is a pretty commontheme, right.
If you were able to throw 95plus, like, the thing that's gonna
be an issue for you is makingsure you get it to go where you want
it to go.
And even though they play intoit and make it really just terrible
control, like, not even closeto being accurate, I'm cracking up
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the entire time becausethey're reading off the stats.
You know, hit the bull fourtimes this game or all this stuff.
So I'm cracking up at the.
The ridiculousness of that.
And honestly, I could actuallydo without Kevin Costner in the movie
at all.
But I picked it because it's a.
Wow.
It's almost the antithesis ofField of Dreams.
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Antithesis.
Antithesis of Field of Dreams.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's fair.
And I want to torture you guysa little bit.
Why not?
Yeah, you know, Bull Durham.
Some movie I want to like.
But every time I watch it, Iremember why I don't like it.
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Yeah, I guess I can.
I can really leave it at that.
Like, at everything that youjust said, while wildly true for
yourself, Like, I just don't.
I find this movie, and this isfunny, having come off of, you know,
earlier recording Tin cup,which also is very ridiculous from
the perspective of when you'rethinking about a sports movie and
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things like that.
Like, this one is soridiculous to me.
Like, I can't even get behind.
Like, I don't.
There's rarely movies that Icome away with that are especially
comedies, because I give a lotof leeway to comedies about, like,
you can be ridiculous andstill be funny, which makes the movie
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entertaining, which means thatI probably will like it on some level.
I don't find this movie entertaining.
I barely find it funny.
And I don't understand the point.
And I realize it's becausethere isn't one, really.
But most comedies, I can go,okay, I.
I'll give you some leewayaround not having a point.
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This one I can't.
Like, I just.
I want to.
By the time I'm done, I feel,like, so unsatisfied.
Like, it's just, like, I hate it.
I hate it.
Not a big fan of this movie,so thanks for that, buddy.
You're welcome.
And this is Even, like, theone Kevin Costner sports movie that
Casey doesn't like.
Like, she was like, alec, itwas great.
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Matt, what about you, buddy?
Yeah, like, Bull Durham.
I.
This is another.
It's funny, some of theseolder sports movies, like, this movie
was on tv, like, I would say adecent amount growing up.
So I'd never.
I don't think I'd seen thismovie all the way through, but I
definitely seen pieces of this movie.
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But having to watch it end toend, I don't.
I don't know why so manypeople like, like this movie.
They come back to this movie.
As far as baseball movies go,this is, like, my least favorite
baseball movie.
Like, I.
I think you just said it best, Jay.
I was trying to search for,like, why I don't like this movie.
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Like, when I think about whatthis movie was, like, what was the
point?
Like, what did I take awayfrom it was.
Is it.
I played baseball for a longtime, and I finally settled down
and left the game.
And his girlfriend is donefinding a new boyfriend every season
for the past, like, 25 seasons.
Like, okay, I just don't,like, if that's what I'm taking away
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from it.
Like, did I need to watch it?
And I didn't really care for,like, the antics of the young pitcher
and, like, when they went on,like, their kind of montage or they
were winning games.
Don't end the streak and all that.
I don't know.
Like, it just didn't.
If it was supposed to be moreabout baseball and, like, wanting
me to, like, the action didn'thave enough of that.
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Like, the Rookie or, like,Moneyball or some other baseball
movie I should be able to name.
But if it was more about thestory and the character progression
and, like, baseball as abackdrop, which this movie, it probably
was.
I just didn't resonate withwhat was on screen.
And the pace of it just.
It just kept kind of like,man, like.
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Like, I just was like, allright, we get it.
Is something more excitinggonna happen?
You're always waiting forsomething more.
It never really happened.
I'm like, oh, this is it.
All right.
Like, okay.
Like, at least it was.
It was, like, true to form.
Like, he didn't have some.
Like, oh, he's an old.
Like, the Rookie, forinstance, where it's cheesy.
Where he's like, but cheesy.
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And it was true.
So it's like, like, so I can't.
I can't.
Like, in fact, I should redactthat statement.
It did happen.
So, like, at least it wasn'tHollywood eyes where this old catcher
was good, but he got hot.
He went to the majors foranother short stint.
At least they didn't do that.
They stayed true to form the show.
The game is hard.
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Like you're slogging through it.
Like you can appreciate it for that.
But like, there's just otherbaseball movies that do all of that
better.
And the story behind it Ithink is more compelling in other
movies.
I just don't get what thewhole it factor is with this movie.
Yeah, I've never understoodthe infatuation with this movie.
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Like, there's a lot of peoplethat say it's one of the best baseball
movies ever made.
And I'm like, you fell in it?
Because no, this movie sucks.
It's not even about baseball.
Like, it's just, it's about.
And I will say the one linethat gets me, and I'm trying to remember
exactly how she says it, butit's something about the world was
made for people that have noself awareness.
And I'm like, that's a great line.
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And it's so true because mostpeople that love all of our listeners,
but most people that live inthis world are kind of dumb and have
very little self awareness,myself included.
So I love that line, but it'snot about baseball.
I don't even know what theit's about.
Like that.
I think that's the problem.
Is this about baseball groupies?
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Is it about minor leaguebaseball players?
Is.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
And so I can't follow anything.
Like there's no through linefor me to get attached to and enjoy.
And so I just have like, Ijust find myself going, what the
am I watching?
More often than I find myselflaughing, which is a problem.
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Like this is a movie I shouldbe giggling at.
And like the only thing thatmakes me laugh is when I think the,
the hardest I laugh is in thegame where he's doing exactly what
the character she tells him.
You have to do exactly what hesays to do.
And so he's going through.
And he's telling him to dodumbass, right?
And then he's like, throw itat the bull.
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He's like, what?
And I love that part.
Like when he actually throwsit in the bowl.
Well, like that's the onlypart that really, really gets me
is that.
And I do laugh at some of thescenes that you're talking about,
Alec, where like they read offstats that are like so fucking ridiculous.
But it's baseball.
So you know they're keepingtrack of stupid shit like that.
So I don't know.
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But yeah, like, for the mostpart, I was like, God damn it, Alec.
I think they should haveleaned more into the fact that Crash
Davis is this, you know, likethis ultimate catcher, right?
The general, the person who'scalling everything.
Because you have two greatmoments and they're the same moment
where throws down a pitch,gets shook off, and then he just
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tells the batter what's coming.
Yeah.
And like it's the ultimatearound and find out.
True.
And so it comes down and itshowcases that Crash knows what he's
talking about.
Right.
Because if you listen to whathe's saying, you know, guys putting
up great numbers and it'seventually what gets him into the
majors is by, you know, hedoesn't know how to call his own
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game.
Right.
He's got to rely on hiscatcher and he's got a great one
in Crash.
And I wish they would haveleaned into that a little bit more
because then you could getinto, you know, the strategic or
the mind game that is baseball.
Right?
You know, hey, this guy, thisguy got pegged real bad.
Throw it behind him and he'sgonna, you know, pull John crook
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from the 1997 All Star Game orwhatever it was like, you know, have
this kind of strategy, go intoit to where you realize that, oh,
this dude is only good, youknow, he's got all the talent, but
he can only throw a gamebecause what Crash Davis is doing
behind the plate and make thatmore of the, you know, quote unquote
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package deal.
Because they have a couplemoments in there where it's like,
hey, you told him a deuce.
Was.
You told my story on thedeuce, right?
Yep.
Like, you just knew it afterthe second one.
And so that's the stuff thatgets me.
Because he knew, he knew hefucked up as soon as he threw the
pitch.
There goes his, you know, twohit shutout or whatever it was.
Yeah.
All because Crash Davis has ahuge ego, but he's right when he's
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doing it.
Yeah.
This guy's pitching a two.
No, do it shut out.
And he doesn't want to listento me.
Exactly.
So he just tells him, hey,this is what's coming.
Yeah, get ready for the heat.
Yeah.
Or gets himself beat up in abar to show what they got to protect
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your pitch in hand.
And all this stuff, I'm like,dude, these, these life lessons,
man, these are a hard way tolearn them.
It's true.
I do love.
I do not Love.
But I appreciate the payofftoo at the end where they're doing
the interview with him nowthat he's in the bigs and he says
the exact.
That Crash told him to sayduring the interviews.
Like, I do appreciate that thelife lessons were learned.
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No matter how moronic this kid is.
Like, he picked up those life lessons.
And I will say that I didchuckle too.
Like, when he like goescelibate because he's winning.
And like Crash, like, irked islike, he teased his way into that.
Like, I did find that.
I was like, that's clever.
He knows, you know he's gonnalisten to you, so you keep him from
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sleeping with the girl thatyou want to sleep with.
But like, I.
I don't know.
I guess here's another problemand this one's all me.
And it's unfair.
But I'm.
I've also never found SusanSarandon that attractive.
So like all the hub hubbub about.
I'm with you with that.
Yeah, I'm with you there.
I was like, the wrong actresswas this, like, if you're gonna do
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this, like, this has got to be.
And I look, Susan Strandon'sattractive just in a different way.
She's an on.
What's the word I'm looking for?
An abnormal attractive.
Right.
She's not that normal.
Whatever you want to call it.
Not saying she's an ugly woman.
She's just not your typical.
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And it's funny because thelittle blonde sidekick that she has
is more what I would havepictured as like, needed to be this.
This holy grail of fans that'ssleeping with the baseball players.
And that's another storylinethat actually ruins this movie for
me because it takes out areally funny character.
That girl, the blonde girlmakes me laugh.
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Like some of her and like howshe's throwing herself at these ball
players and enjoy.
Like, I like that.
And it made me laug.
So when she ends up with theBible thumper and they take her out
of that, I'm like, God damn it.
Now it's not funny.
Like she.
So they.
You lose a funny character forthe last 20, 30 minutes of the movie
or whatever it is that onceshe meets him.
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And I was just like, God damn it.
So I just think there was somebad casting choices, probably including
Kevin Costner.
I don't know that KevinCostner was the right.
I just don't know that thismovie was written to be entertaining,
at least not for me.
Like, I just find it confusing.
And I.
There's not even A lot ofquotable things.
Like, I can forgive Tink up alot because I can quote that movie
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all day long.
This one, I'm like, there'snot much that.
That.
That's really funny.
I said a hard day.
If you're trying to make it atrue to form baseball, you're telling
me that this pitcher who couldthrow fast but has no control and
is like wildly out of control,gets called up in the majors after
he goes like, on a winning streak.
I'm like, I don't know, I just didn't.
It seems so far fetched to me.
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Just didn't and he didn't.
Never had the Persona beingSona's like, are they really gonna
call this guy up to the big leagues?
Like, he's ready to go to the big.
It never even felt like thatwas a possibility.
Yeah, I didn't have too much aproblem with that because I grew
up watching Randy Johnson andhe is almost the same type of picture,
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minus all the, you know, crazy.
Like the control and everything.
Like, they called him up andhe couldn't hit the backstop.
Nobody never threw one intothe press box either.
Like, I mean, well, that's thething between hitting the dirt a
lot, which Randy Johnson didearly on in his career, and then
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like throwing one to WestTexas from Carolina, you know what
I mean?
Like, that.
I think they could have justlike, they did it for the movie's
sake.
But it's like, all right,like, dial it back a little bit.
Like, make it a little bitmore believable.
Like, come on.
It.
It just.
It was.
It was a little bit much there.
Like, again, there's a lot inthis movie that they were trying
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to show.
Like, there's a loo kid.
That one.
He also looked too old forwhat they were portraying.
Like, I think that got me too,where it's just the, the age dynamics.
I was like, if they're tryingto make this guy seem really young,
like, he doesn't look youngenough to be the way he's acting.
Like that also tripped me upat times of like, what the.
What's the actor's name?
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I should know his name.
Tim Robbins.
Yeah.
So you talking about Nuke?
Because that's Tim Robbins.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, he just looked too oldto be like the young guy.
And it threw me off sometimes.
Like.
Like some of the other peoplethey were playing with, they looked
far younger, but I know somebaseball people can be a lot older,
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but it just.
That threw me for a loop alittle bit because I Liked a lot
of the interactions betweenNuke and Crash.
Especially, like, as we talkedabout, like, new calling the shots
on the mound and them like,figuring it out.
And like, they did a good jobwith that.
But the things outside of it,I didn't quite care about.
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Nukes, like, love story.
Not love story and Crash, likefiguring out at the end.
Like, it.
I don't know, it just didn'tland for me.
Yeah.
And that's what a lot of thismovie's about.
So if I didn't like that,then, like, what am I watching?
Yeah, it's a good point.
Like that is.
I don't enjoy the.
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The main aspect of this story.
Like, I could have donewithout, to your point, as I could
have done without SusanSarandon's character altogether.
Like, I didn't need that.
The dynamic of these playersis what I really.
The only part that I wanted toreally enjoy.
Like, I just don't care aboutthis whole love story.
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Slash, her sleeping with aplayer and they becoming awesome
because of it.
I'm like, sex is cool, butit's never made anybody better at
baseball.
I hate to break it to you.
It just didn't happen.
And Matt, you're not wrong.
The 80s were tough like we have.
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There's been a dynamic shiftwhere now you can have like 30 year
olds playing 18 year olds.
Back in the day, you had 20year olds that were playing 20 year
olds, but they look like theywere 35.
So about the 70s and 80s, theymade them different.
Back then it might have beenall the cigarettes, but yeah, they.
It was different.
They did have a problem.
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Now we're like, that person's30 and they're playing an 18 year
old, but they look okay at itmost of the time.
Now it's different.
But back then, yeah, he lookedold as.
Doesn't help that Tim Robbinsis like 8ft tall too.
Like, makes him look humongous.
Yeah, I think the height also had.
So he just.
It just didn't.
It didn't work.
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Yeah, it was weird.
Very Randy.
I would have been funny.
Obviously this is before RandyJohnson's time, but, like, having
him hit a bird would have been hilarious.
Poor Randy Johnson.
That him up for like a longtime after he killed that bird.
To me, this movie is, I think,ripe for like a remake.
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I think you could put in likea baseball star or two that has enough
acting chops and make them theNuke and then have like a really
good actor be Crash and thenlike, you're talking about Jay, like,
make I Don't pick.
I'm with you on the season thing.
Like, pick something that'smore like generic hotness or something.
Just.
I'm with you on that.
I think you could remake thisand make it focus even more on the
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humor aspect of it.
I think it could be pretty funny.
Oh, I agree.
I think if you, if you tonedown some of the ridiculousness and
then, yeah, get the rightpeople in it, I think you could remake
this and have it be good.
You'd have a fit for all thepeople that think this movie's great.
Just let him die first andthen remake it.
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Well, tell me how it is whenyou see me next time because I'll
probably be toast if that'sthe case.
Case post.
Those are my age for some reason.
Yeah, no, this, this is.
I'm with you.
I could see that.
Like, it could be good for a remake.
Like, if you remade it andthen you had like, like the.
(20:32):
I think if you did it morelike, you'd have to do major league
style.
Like, make it put in the majors.
Put it like what they've donewith some of these movies where they,
like, they're good atincorporating like current NBA stars
or MLB stars and like,surrounded by the ecosystem, like,
live within the reality of it,but then, like, try to perform a
(20:53):
satire within it.
I.
I feel like that format could work.
I agree.
I think it could also be.
And this is probably a hottake, but I think you could make
like a TV series out of this.
Yeah, something like this.
You know what I mean?
Like, where it's a long termkind of thing and I think it would
(21:15):
be entertaining for like acouple of seasons.
Then you'd have to let it go.
But like, or you could do itlike, what are they doing?
What do they call them now?
Like, where they have these different.
Like American Horror Storywhere they have different seasons,
but they're like standalone seasons.
Even though it takes place inthe same universe and it's usually
the same actors.
Like, I'm not saying do thesame actors, but like, you could
(21:37):
do different positions orsomething each season or they're
like a new rookie every yearor something like that.
Like in each season's different.
I think there's some options.
I like that idea.
I never really considered it a remake.
Bring Kevin Costner back asthe coach.
Crash.
Yeah, there was.
Oh God, there was.
(21:57):
I can't remember the name of it.
There was a movie that would.
That I think had the DurhamBulls in it.
Like, trying to remember.
Freddie Prinze Jr.
Was in it, which didn't helpits case, but, God, what was it called?
Because it was.
But it.
I think it.
Ironically enough, it wasbetter than this, in my opinion.
(22:19):
And it's one of the Summer Catch.
It's called Summer Catch.
It had Freddie Prinze Jr.
And Jessica Beal, MatthewLillard, Wilmer Valderrama.
Terrible movie, but it wasbetter than this.
But it.
Like, he was a picture kind of thing.
It was.
It was interesting.
(22:39):
When you talk about thatpremise, like, you think of Karate
Kid and what they've done withCobra Kai.
I just finished it.
And, like, they took movie andmade it a TV show and built upon
that and, like, lean into it.
I'm like, that format couldwork for some stuff you want.
If that's the way you want toreboot something.
Because I even appreciated,especially at the end, they brought
in almost every character andthey had them come back at some point
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and, like, played their littlepart in.
I was like, wow, this actually worked.
How did they do that?
Because you don't see that.
I was like, how did they.
And 1.
I'm like, how do they get someof these people to come back and
act for that one moment?
They're probably not evenacting anymore, but they got them
to do it well.
They even got the one guy thatwas, like, terminally ill in real
life come back in right beforehe actually passed away, I think,
(23:25):
and, like, play.
He was.
I didn't know that he was one of.
What's his face.
His friends from the original movie.
Like, the.
Not Daniel, but what's Johnnylike, one of the Cobra Kai guys?
Like, he was one of those guys.
Could be.
I.
It was one of the four ofthem, like, when they were all kids
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and he was hanging out andthey had, like, season one or season
two where they went to, like,camping or whatever and they were
out drinking, like, by a fire.
One of those guys in real lifehad cancer.
Played like that in that thingin the show.
And then they used it.
Clever.
I know you're talking about.
They just.
They got.
(24:06):
They got so many people.
Like, they had one dude thathe was in the original as one of
the Karate Kids in thetournament that got, like, third
place and he was the judgefor, like, the last match.
I was like.
I was like, how did they getthis guy?
Like, that's so crazy.
All that to be said.
And we're really getting offof the tangent, but I think Cobra,
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like, they found somethingwith that where, like, some of these
other.
It's not just do a full rebootlike, shoot, dude.
Like reopen your ecosystem andbring some people back and tell the
story in a different way.
And Kevin Costner's stillacting like crazy.
Like, could work.
Yeah.
And he's a much better actor now.
I'd be like, shoot, dude.
I probably watch it.
It's fair.
And he's.
Yeah, I could see him being anold gruff like.
(24:53):
Dick out there.
Oh, yeah.
Well, it would be funnier isif he's like the.
Consider him the manager.
And he goes out and tells a batter.
Like what is.
Like that would be great.
Or like he goes out and tellsyou get.
Maybe you get some KennyLofton remake, you know, like some
dude that's just fast asstealing bases.
(25:14):
And like he tells the picture,the catcher, he's gonna steal second
because he's being.
He tells him not to her.
So he tells him.
He's still saying, that'd befunny as that would be.
All right, Hollywood, we'recoming for you.
Get it done.
I don't know if you getCostner in it, though.
He's so busy making more ofhis, like bloated western.
(25:35):
He's all right.
He's all about the western life.
I can't say I hate it.
Love a good Western.
Yeah, well, he's.
He loves Utah.
He makes it his.
He's been pushing hard.
But between Utah and.
I think he does a lot inArizona too now.
But yeah, Kevin Costner, good old.
The way he is now.
That dude needed to be bornlike the 19th century.
(25:55):
Like the wild, wild west times.
Like, he plays it well.
I'm like, shoot, dude, youprobably could have been it.
Yeah.
And it's such a weird swingtoo, because he's either like full
on western, hard ass guy.
Well, a lot of times.
Or you see him in sportsmovies where it's just like.
Because he does have anobsession with baseball.
Like, he's done quite a few.
Like if you think about actorsthat have gotten pigeonholed, like,
(26:17):
he's done For Love of theGame, Field of Dreams, Bull Durham.
Trying to think if there wasanother one.
But those three for sure.
Baseball.
And then the fact that likeyou can IMDb this dude.
And we found, what was it,nine different sports movies that
the guy's done in his career.
Like, that's crazy.
(26:38):
I don't think there's anotheractor I can think of that's done
that many like a sports movie or.
You know what I mean?
It's crazy what he.
He's a weird dude.
But then he does like Mr.
Brooks and that's a great one.
But yeah, the better, theolder he's got, the better he is.
And this is a movie that hisgoofiness doesn't come out.
(26:58):
Like, is that weird?
So to me, like, I just don't,I don't know.
He's not, he's hit and miss in this.
But I also just think themovie isn't my favorite thing in
the world, period.
There's a lot of things that Ican't, that I can forgive in this
movie, but there's two that Iwill not.
And the first is you got aswitch hitting catcher who can call
(27:20):
a game like nobody's business.
And he spent 21 days in the majors.
Yeah, like, that doesn't make sense.
Make it make him not be ableto hit a curve or, you know, you
know, slider blind.
Can't.
Can't do it.
Give him some sort of hiccup.
But on, on screen and like, onpaper, he's the perfect, perfect
(27:41):
person that you want catchinga major league ball game.
And so that was one where Iwas like, give, give him a crutch.
Anything that would keep himout because it, the talent is there,
right?
You're showing that me thatthe talent is there and they're just
not recognizing it forwhatever reason.
So he could be in thisposition to help a young guy out.
(28:03):
And the second one is near theend where they're having that montage
scene of all the, you know,lovey dovey Kevin Costner, Sarah
Saran and stuff.
And they leave.
They make a mess with like thecereal and milk and they leave her
for three days.
Like, that really pissed me off.
(28:23):
I'm not gonna lie.
It bothered me too.
When he knocked it over andjust let it keep spilling.
I was like, that's gonna smell.
I.
I was sitting there going, why?
I mean, I'm fine if you leavethe mess, but like, at least pick
up the carton so it doesn'tkeep pouring out.
Like, but then also like thesex in the bathtub scene.
(28:45):
I'm like, oh, look, man, ifyou know you're gonna have sex in
the bathtub and I'm game.
Like, if you got one of thosecool bear claw soaking tubs and you
can make that work and you'reokay with the logistics of it.
Good on you.
But don't fill it full.
Like, when that startssplashing onto the floor, my head
goes, oh, you just ruined your floor.
(29:06):
Like, I just, like, that'sexpensive to replace either that
wood.
The only thing you're doingsafe is if there's tile on there.
But even then, the amount ofwater that they were spilling out
in two seconds, and thatwasn't even the height of what they
were doing.
Like, dude, you just up a lot of.
Right there.
Your base whale moves in there.
I was like, so I'm with you.
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I was like, no, don't.
Don't.
Don't do that.
Like, I love sex, but none ofit's worth ruining my baseboards
for.
Well, as we wrap things up, Iasked Chat GPT.
It's basically Kevin Costnerin Sylvester Stallone tied for the
most.
Oh, really?
Well, you got to think abouthow many Rockies.
Sure.
He's done Rocky movies.
I guess technically, those.
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I don't know.
I look at those as all one, though.
But I get where it.
Yeah, I mean.
I mean, yeah, they're movies.
Yeah.
Definitely wins for the mostdiverse type of one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then a close second, like,third, fourth.
Like, Adam Sandler's up there.
And surprisingly, Will Ferrellas well.
You think about all the.
He's an Ice skating tobasketball to soccer to some other
(30:12):
things.
I should probably nascar.
He's been a lot of different ones.
All hyped up on Mountain Dew.
Sorry.
Last.
It's the only line in thatwhole movie that I actually, like,
hate that movie.
Anyway.
Should we rate this thing?
Let's rate it.
(30:32):
All right.
Alec.
My movie.
I get to go first.
Yes, you do.
I'm G.
Give bulldormer 3W.
Yeah, shut up.
It's.
It's enough for me to enjoy,and I get what they're trying to
do.
I don't like a lot of how theydid it, but aside from the unforgivable
scenes, like, I'm cracking upfor a lot of this movie because I'm
(30:54):
like, that was stupid, but itwas funny.
Like, I get the joke, and soI'm gonna give it a three.
I will watch it again.
100.
Let me go.
Yeah, this movie's like.
It's a two.
Will not watch it again.
I did not like what they weretrying to do as much.
If you're trying to watch thisfor baseball, go watch a different
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movie.
If you're watching thisbecause you want to watch good acting
and character progression andbeautiful people on screen, go watch
something else.
And, yeah, like, I wish Ididn't have to see this, but, you
know, it's classic.
Not all classics are made the same.
(31:37):
Fair.
Yeah.
I'm gonna give it a 2 as well.
I don't understand it.
Like, I don't even see whatthey're trying to do other than have
sex, baseball.
And a little bit of comedy.
Goofy comedy.
Like, I don't.
But as far as, like thethrough line and the point of the
movie, I don't see it.
(31:59):
I never have.
It has some funny moments,kind of, but then it's got a lot
of moments where I'm just bothered.
Then there's moments where I'mjust like, I don't want to watch
this anymore.
Got them kid noises, them babies.
I like it.
(32:19):
So, yeah, like, I just don't.
It's just.
It's.
It's not my favorite movie andit is a classic.
It's hard to argue with thefact that a lot of people do like
it, but I just don'tunderstand why they like it because
it's just not my favorite.
And if Casey looks at.
And I.
I think what my selling pointis, if Casey, who is an absolute
Kevin Costner fan girl,doesn't like it, this movie sucks
(32:42):
because she loves KevinCostner regardless, so.
And she doesn't like that shewas cursing your ass left and right,
Alec, when we're watching it.
So it was pretty funny.
But, yeah, I mean, two for me.
I will try to not ever watchthis movie, but I can't guarantee
that I won't.
Like.
It's a lot easier now than itused to be when, you know, because
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I can more or less never watchanything I don't want to watch typically.
But I don't see why I would.
Unless one of you put it onand made me watch it hanging out,
which I don't see happening.
Except maybe Alec, because he's.
I.
There's a long list of moviesI'd put on before this one.
Sure.
That makes sense.
I believe that.
I believe that.
So, yeah, there it is.
(33:24):
Two for me.
Yeah.
It's not our.
If Alex is going to take thatopportunity, he's going to pick something
else first for you, you and heto watch, I'm sure.
Super Baby Geniuses 2 justmeans I'll.
Fall asleep on your ass.
That's.
That's all that means.
All right, so, Alec, telleverybody where they can find us.
Happy to.
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So this is week four.
Thank you for tuning into weekfour of our Kevin Costner sports
movies.
And let us know in the comments.
Has Matson officially lost hisman of the People title?
Because the people seem tolike Bull Durham and Madsen did not
let us know.
I'm eager to hear from the people.
Find us on Patreon.
(34:05):
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I love that you guys put BullDurham in here to torture these two
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That's the place to find us.
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With that I'll kick it back tothe Titan of terror, the king of.
Crash A.
JJ I gotta step in here.
Jay.
I'm sorry.
I'm gonna silence you people.
You listen.
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And sometimes we have to saveourselves from ourselves.
And sometimes we have to havea voice of reason, an anchor amongst
the storm.
I'm not sure man, the peoplewould disagree with the people so
much is all I'm saying.
Sometimes the people need tosee the error of their ways and they
need to be enlightened.
We really disagree.
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This movie gets a 97 fresh wowwow from from critics.
And it's an 82% fresh from the people.
You better take off thatpeople crown, Matson.
You'd have lost your touch.
And even on IMDb it's a 7 outof 10.
(35:28):
I don't understand it.
I, I.
Please somebody tell me in thecomments why this movie is as popular
and as famous and what it is.
I just don't get it.
I don't get the movie.
I don't get why people like it.
But whatever, who am I?
I'm certainly not a man of the people.
But with that, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
(35:49):
We'll catch you on the next one.
Bye.
Hasta la vista, baby.
Cinematic out.
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