March 10, 2025 • 42 mins
JJ, Mattson and Alec jump into a comprehensive analysis of the film "Draft Day," a cinematic exploration of the intricate dynamics surrounding the NFL draft process. We delve into the multifaceted pressures faced by general managers as they navigate critical decisions that can alter the trajectory of their franchises. We engage in a discourse that juxtaposes personal experiences as fans of our respective teams with the film's portrayal of the often tumultuous atmosphere within a professional sports organization. The discussion further extends to the film's narrative techniques and character arcs, as we scrutinize the effectiveness of its storytelling. Ultimately, we reflect on how "Draft Day" resonates with both avid sports enthusiasts and casual viewers, prompting a broader contemplation of the intersection between sports and cinema.
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Well, and there's a lot ofparallels too because as a Cleveland
Browns fan.
If you can call it JJ's not anNFL fan, let's just let people.
Know because I'm a ClevelandBrowns fan.
Like listen, it's not a way to live.
I.
Hey, I'm a, I'm a.
I was a Redskins now commander.
So I feel you, my friend.
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Welcome to the what's UpVerdict podcast.
We fashion ourselves cinematicjudge and Jerry.
My name is JJ Crider.
I'm here with my co host Matz.
Better Red Than Dead and Alec Burgess.
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But yeah.
Welcome to week two of ourKevin Costner Sports Film Month.
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We are kicking into week two with.
It's probably one of the more,the less famous ones of this, but
I think it's a sleeper, whichwe'll talk about.
But yeah, we're doing Draft Day.
It was released April 11, 2014.
It was written by ScottRothman and Raheem Joseph.
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It was directed by Ivan Reitman.
Stars Kevin Costner, ChadwickBoseman, Jennifer Garner, Frank Langella,
Chris Berman, Dave Donaldson,Patrick Saint Esprit, Chai McBride,
John Gruden and Mike Mayock.
We throw in a couple othersbut you know, we'll keep going.
But anyway, this movie is about.
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At the NFL draft, generalmanager Sonny Weaver has the opportunity
to rebuild his team when hetrades for the number one pick.
Must decide what he's willingto sacrifice on a life changing day
for a few hundred young menwith NFL dreams.
That's.
There's some, some interestingsynopses for these Kevin Costner's
films so far.
Matson, this was your pick, man.
Kick us off.
Tell us why you picked this one.
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Yeah, I mean we don't talkabout sports a ton on here because
we talk about movies, but I'man avid sports fan.
I, I mean as we just talkedabout in our last podcast, JJ loves
baseball and sports.
I love sports.
The sport I love the most forsure is football.
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I prefer college over the NFL.
I mean, that's probably like,literally splitting hair.
Like, I just love football.
It's a sad day now.
There is no football.
I, it's, it's sad.
So I love sports.
And specifically, if you wereto ask me, like, what job I would
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love to have if I wasn't,like, recruited, I could do it all
over again.
One, I love to love work for asports organization, but being like
a general manager, I thinkwould be amazing.
That being said, that job,while it can be extremely rewarding,
is exceptionally difficult,full of pressure, and many times
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doesn't always go well.
And if it doesn't go well,you're not going to have a job.
So lots of pressure.
But I, I, I think it's anamazing position.
I really think when you lookat this movie, it really shows, like,
the inner workings of how anorganization makes decisions on one
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of the most impactful andimportant days of a franchise being
the draft, because you got toget new players, you got to make
moves.
And I, as, as I've gottenolder, I've become more fascinated
in how teams grade players,why they draft, why they make trades,
how they value their picks.
And I think this is just agreat experience in peeling back
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the onion on if I was to stepinto a role like this, like, what
were those days leading up andwhat would the day of that look like?
And I think they do a prettygood job.
And so, for that matter, thismovie feels like something that I've
seen through the lens of espn,but then Hollywood decided to do
a deeper dive.
And it's intriguing to me.
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It's got everything that I love.
And again, this movie is aboutfootball, but it's not really, like,
about football football.
It's about the behind thescenes of it and the really important
decisions that are madebecause there's not really much on
the field action.
In fact, there's, like, very little.
But then I think the more youbecome a fan of, like, Jay with the
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Buckeyes or me with thecommanders at byu, the more you understand
about your team.
You understand most of thereason your team is good is because
you have to make thosedecisions on which players to put
in the right positions.
And if you don't have that,then don't matter what you do on
Sunday or Saturday, it's notgoing to work.
So I really like this moviebecause it's, it's all things that
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I like.
It just gets into more the,the finite details.
Fair enough.
Alec, I'm very curious.
Had you seen this movie before?
No.
No surprise.
J.J.
no, absolutely not.
Why would I have seen thismovie before?
Yeah, for sure.
And I was.
I was hating it at firstbecause I saw the clock tick down
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and that's a type of movie Idon't appreciate.
Is like.
Like I can't watch this TVseries 24 because of the clock.
Oh, 24 is like the.
The countdown.
I hate it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I just don't get thatpoint or that purpose.
But I enjoyed this and it.
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The not understanding.
Right.
A lot of the mechanics that gointo draft day or the draft rules
or whatever it is.
I was kind of sitting theregoing, wouldn't it be better just
to, you know, take the numberone pick, pick the guy that everybody
says is going to go, and thentrade him later?
And so I was sitting therethinking this as it's going through,
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but that obviously doesn'tbuild suspense.
And so, you know, building upto the climax, everything's going.
I was like, okay, like, Ienjoyed it.
It was a good movie.
I liked it.
Nice.
In the sports world, why theydidn't do that is because if they
drafted Bo Callahan and he waswhat they found out two years later,
he would have sucked.
He would have been a completefailure, and no one would have given
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him the compensation that theylost for drafting him.
That does happen a lot in sports.
Quite a bit.
And I think that's.
I know you're about Cleveland Browns.
Yeah.
The funny part about this isthe team that was.
They worried about thishappening to.
They would have actuallydrafted Bocalhan Alec and messed
up and would have had acomplete dumpster fire.
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Which was funny becausewhoever decided to pick the Browns,
they were probably trying todo a nice dose of karma to say, you
know what?
It's going to change our fortunes.
It's going to.
It didn't work.
They're still terrible this year.
They usually did around.
Isn't that when the movie cameout, the year that they drafted Manziel?
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Yes, I think.
And that, I mean, it's funnybecause Bo Callahan, like a lot of
what they were like, I waslike, oh, they made a drone or drew
some inspiration from like thequarterback who was going to go with
the first pick.
Yeah, well, and there's a lotof parallels, too, because as a Cleveland
Browns fan, if you can call it jj.
Is not an NFL fan.
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Just let people know.
Because I'm a Cleveland Browns fan.
Like, listen, it's not a wayto live.
I'm a.
I'm a.
I was a Redskins nowcommander, so I feel you, my friend.
Sure.
But Being a Browns, we have life.
We have life now, I should say.
Yeah, we don't.
We won't ever.
Like, the Browns are terrible.
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It's.
It's.
Yeah, they're.
They.
They suck.
And they have broken my heartmany years.
For 40 years, I gave up on them.
Still don't.
I don't watch pro footballbecause it hurts my soul.
Anyway.
No, look, I watched.
I did not go see this in theaters.
And it's funny because I wasliving in Ohio when this came out,
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and I was like, I can't.
Why do I want to go watch amovie about one of the most painful
things that I live throughevery year?
Because I watch the draft andtry to keep up with who the Browns
pick.
Every time those clowns pick aquarterback, I go, well, there's
another one that's gonna.
The bed just because they'regoing to Cleveland.
And so it's.
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For me, I didn't want to watchthis movie, but Casey has an obsession
with Kevin Costner.
And so we were home one dayand we were streaming and it was.
It popped up somewhere and sowe watched it.
And it's now become a staplein our house.
Like, we watch it quite oftenbecause at the end of the day, it's
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a pretty fun movie.
Like, it's.
It's entertaining.
There's some interestingthings that you learn.
Like, if you don't knowanything about the draft, you get
to see some interestingconcepts around, like player choice
and the stress of what itwould be like to make that.
And then there's some reallygreat dialogue in this movie that's
just makes me laugh.
And it's so ridiculous.
Like, you'll hear in my housebetween Casey and I.
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And I'm sure Matson, I'm sureyou both have heard me say it.
Like, show Johnny over here.
Like, that's one of my.
Like when he's yelling at thatkid about the tapes for Bo Callahead,
and he's like, show Johnnyover here.
Doesn't know what the hellhe's doing.
Like, we use that line all the time.
Then there's the one wherethey're in the closet for the second
time, and he's like.
And Ralph the security guycomes in.
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He's like, everybody cozy?
I can't even.
So there's just so many, like,great one liners and, like, little
pieces of dialogue.
But there's also some prettyserious conversations that happen.
Right?
Like, I can't imagine, toMax's point, like, the one job that
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I look at from an NFLPerspective or sports in general.
Not just NFL, but pro sports.
As much as it might be cool tobe a gm, like, I don't know if I
could handle that kind of.
Because it falls all.
It's all on you.
Like there's no backstopsafety net.
Like you it up, you it up.
And there's a lot ofopportunity to mess up.
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Especially like on a draft daywhere you're trying to get cute.
And he's not wrong.
Like that line where he'stalking to the young, the Jeff guy,
Jeff Carson on theJacksonville Jaguars, the end.
And he's like, you know, everyyear somebody comes out of this looking
like a donkey.
Like everybody.
Every year without fail,there's a team that someone's like,
well, that GM up.
Like it just.
And so I really like how theyreally used kind of what it feels
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like.
But then the build up and Ijust really enjoy this movie more,
more than I care to admit.
Like, it's a movie I'll tellpeople about.
And I'm like, you should watch it.
It's really.
And I'm all sheepish about itbecause it's like I shouldn't like
this movie this much, but Ido, I like it quite a bit.
What about you, Alex?
So you knew?
Not a huge sports guy.
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Don't love.
Like, what made you enjoy this movie?
It was the two things, really.
One was the wrap up, right?
Where he kind of gets in thewar room and he's got.
And he's in his element now.
Yeah.
And like, and then the reasonthat he got to that point, right?
Because he has zero peace theentire day.
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Like everything oreverybody's, you know, shit's burning
down, house is on fire andhe's going around, dude, it's draft
day.
Like, there's 364 othergoddamn days where you can bring
this up, but on this one dayis where it's all just piling on.
Like his mom showing up.
We're gonna read your dad'sashes with the Celtic prayer on the
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fifth year.
And he's like, do you not knowwhat today is?
And so like this whole processof him getting to this position where
by the time it's draft time,he just does not care because it's
almost like he's getting inhis own head the entire time, right?
He's listening to the radioand start talking about him.
That's like the one thingyou're not supposed to do, right?
You post a video, don't readthe comments or, you know, you're,
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you're in that position.
Don't listen to what they'resaying about you on the radio.
Just don't pay attention to it.
And that's what you tell proathletes all the time as well.
It's like, hey, don't post.
Don't do nothing.
And this is just gearing himup so it gets him out of his own
head.
And now he's able to kind ofgo in there and he just says it,
and then he makes his move.
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And then he, you know, almostverbatim goes back on the Seahawks
from the beginning of themovie where he gets the one pick
and he just hits him back withthe zingers.
And, you know, by the time youget to pancake eating, I'm like,
dude, let's go.
Browns are gonna win it allthis year.
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It f me.
Yeah.
And so it's.
It's that kind of buildup inthe process that they get to, you
know, to the end.
And in my opinion, you know,that's something that this movie
earns, that ending.
Whereas if you did it adifferent way, it would almost feel
like, oh, this is Hollywood,you know, kind of show garbage.
But they earned the payoff byhaving this build up.
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Get there.
I like it.
I love that scene at the endwhen he uses all the callbacks from
the previous conversations.
He's like, we live in adifferent world.
We did just 30 seconds ago.
Like, I can give you the.
I've got the golden ticket, Tom.
Yeah, you can say football in Seattle.
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That's right.
You get your boy Wonder.
And then.
But I think one of my favoriteparts in that is the.
The.
The realization when he says,and you get your boy wonder for $7
million less.
And you watch that owner onthe other side go, oh, good point.
Which can then convinces Tomto say, okay, we'll figure it out.
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The other part that I love is the.
When he puts him on hold,like, he gets the, okay, we'll do
it.
The whole.
What else do we need?
Like, I'm gonna leverage theout of this guy.
He's like, and I want DavidPutney just because I goddamn feel
like it.
Like, I just like that whole.
You're right.
That whole sequence right downto I call my father in law.
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And I told my father in lawabout this movie Casey and I did.
And so they watch it all thetime too now.
But, like, we call it, youpancake eating.
Like, we do that all the timejust because it's such a great line.
But there's a lot of thatthroughout the movie.
And Some interesting bits, Ithink, for me, one of the things
that I like the most about thestory, but it's usually something
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that I hate about movies is,like, when it's a bunch of scenes,
right?
Like.
But this movie's full of those.
Like, I also laugh when he'smeeting with Ralph and he's like,
how'd you know there's a butt?
Because you're an unoriginalbastard, Ralph.
Like, it's just these wholelittle individual conversations that
he has throughout the movieare so good.
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And his delivery is great.
Like, it's so not my normalKevin Costner experience that this
movie.
And then I love the visualsof, like, the almost comic book,
like, where you get to seehim, like, when he's looking in the
mirror having a panic attack.
Because, like, Brian Drew'sdoing great, and he's got this quarterback
that he now should draft, sohe's putting the water on his face.
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But you also get to seeJennifer Carter's character basically
doing the same thing.
Like those subtle littlecamera angles and split shots.
I love that.
It's quirky and weird and it'snot something I usually like, but
it works in this movie for me.
There's a lot of weird thingsabout this movie that I'm like.
I don't want to like this, butI do.
Well, you, Matthew, what getsyou going on this movie, besides
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the GM and football?
I mean, I think that one ofthe things that sticks out to me
that I like is the.
What happens a lot in thedraft process is the.
The arc of someone's like, thebona fide number one, like the Bo
Callahan, but then there's,like, kind of an underdog that starts
to get picked up.
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Like the.
The linebacker in this movie,his name Ray or Ray Jennings or something,
or not.
So running back, but then theother guy who.
And if you have off the fieldstuff, like, teams are looking at
character, they're looking atiq, they're looking at injury history.
They're doing all these things.
And it's part of.
It's how well can you sell yourself?
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How well can your agent putyou out there?
Can they drum up the buzz?
Like, there's a player rightnow in this year's draft, Jackson
Dart from the Ole Miss sec,who wasn't on the first round radar,
but he had a great Senior bowl day.
And you can see all this stufflike that.
They're saying he could go inthe first round.
And, like, it wasn't a firstround, if you asked anyone, like,
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a month ago.
But now he might be and he's aplayer that if you insert him into
the draft day process, hischaracter is good.
But a lot of GMs, if they werein this movie, would be leery of
like, I don't know, does hehave the town?
Like, am I gonna be the donkeyin this situation or did I find the
diamond in the rough?
And I like that.
This movie shows.
They simplify it obviously,but they show some of the dynamics
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of having the interviews,asking the tough questions, doing
like the private investigatorwork to be like, well, what really
happened at this party?
Like, what, do his teammatesreally like him?
His teammates don't like him.
He's probably not a goodcharacter guy.
That may sound simple in the movie.
That is real.
Like they'll if tell you rightnow one of JJ's favorite players
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on the buckets, it was a goodquarterback, but his team didn't
like him.
It's a lot that you need toknow about the character, the kid,
if he's going to come play foryou because his team probably wouldn't
like him and maybe he willflame out, maybe he won't get the
support.
And they simplify that.
But that stuff is a hugedecision factor because in these
sports, like you have thetalent, but like the Johnny Manziel,
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for instance, if you don'thave the character, you are going
to get eaten alive and you'regoing to make your organization look
absolutely laughable.
Like he did to the Browns ifthey had drafted like Bo Callahan
in this example.
And so I thought that was.
It was less about like, can this.
Is this guy good on the field?
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Is this person good off the field?
Is.
And we.
You always hear the word intangibles.
They didn't really use that inthis movie, but that's like the bit,
the big thing.
And I think they did a reallygood job of that.
I liked how they also wovenlike real life ESPN into this.
Like it felt authentic.
I think that's what this moviereally delivered on is it felt very
real in that sense.
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And I appreciated the realismabove all things.
I think what's hard about thismovie is just by the makeup of it
is you're trying to condensesomething that's so big and fast
paced into a movie that you'regoing to be cutting corners.
And if there are fans that aremore difficult than Star wars fans,
it's sports fans.
And if you don't like holdeverything to the letter of the law,
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they're going to call you outon it.
And there's Definitely somepitfalls in this movie in terms of
the over dramatization of allthe decisions being.
Being made in such a shortspan of time and.
And the.
The evaluations and howthey're glossing things.
They can't do everythingperfect in like an hour and a half
movie.
But I appreciate this movie.
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Tried really hard to paint thepicture of something that I really
enjoy.
Yeah, well, I like how theydid take it to the extreme.
Like, there's the conversationwith the guys that he tells to look
at Beau Callahan.
They're all sitting aroundlooking at that computer, at how
many chicks he's sleeping with.
But when he gets all serious,like, he's like, guys.
And they're like, what, man?
He doesn't speak French real good.
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You know?
And they're down to thatpoint, and it sounds ridiculous,
but that's the shit that theylook at, like, to the level of they
can tell you what this guy'sgrades were, where he struggled,
they're finding out what histeammates thought about him.
Does he have bad habits?
Does like.
And I.
Some of these speeches that weget throughout the film, I love the
moments that we get theexplainer parts, like, because this
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movie is obviously built forsports fans and for those of us that
haven't understood, even on asmall level of understanding of what
the draft is and how seriousit is, like, we look at this and
go, this is great.
But they also make theexplainers interesting for those
of us that already understand it.
Like in that moment when heexplains, like, look, everybody's
got something.
They didn't think PeytonManning had an arm, and they thought
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Joe Montana was too small, butit didn't matter, and we need to
figure out what his thing isand does it matter?
And that little explanationfor two and a half minutes, like,
for me and talking to Casey,who's not a football fan, like, outside
of she watches it because I'mwatching it.
Like, that kind of helps itmake enough sense for her as to what
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the important part is.
And then we're talking aboutthose to match, support the intangibles.
There's things that you can'tmeasure but need to be measured in
some way, shape or form or atleast discussed.
So I love those explainers.
And then you also have, like,the one where Ali's talking about.
She's having this dilemmabetween what he should do, and he's
like, he's a winner.
Talking about Bo Callahan.
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He's a winner.
He's won everywhere he's went.
And she goes, yeah, that's thesame thing they said about Ryan Leaf
when he went number two.
Ryan Leaf tanked.
Like, he was a terrible draftat number two, but he was great in
college.
And then you have where she.
On the flip side, she goes,tom Brady was like, 126th or whatever
it was that he went.
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Became arguably the greatestquarterback the NFL's had up to this
point.
So it's like, the draft is nota perfect science either.
Like, there's no one.
And I love that they talk.
There's no way.
There's no such thing, shesays, as a sure thing.
Like, you just have to parseit out and figure it out.
And I love to, as a Brownsfan, let me step in and say I get
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frustrated when everybody'safter the quarterback.
And I get that it's thelinchpin of a football team, at least
on the offensive side andarguably the most important position
that you can.
Phil.
But at the same time, like,it's one of the least consistent
when it comes to, like, thegreats and finding a great quarterback.
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So I always get superfrustrated because that's one of
the first things thatCleveland, in all of their real life
history, has always looked at.
And they always, like, there's.
There's a guy somewhere inCleveland fandom that has this vest
that he's taken and putpatches of every single quarterback's
name that they've had over,like, the last 10 years.
There's like 35 of them.
Because the Cleveland Browns cannot.
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It doesn't matter which oftheir three owners in the last 20
years they're talking about.
They all think that everythingrevolves completely around the quarterback.
And so they end up with theseshow quarterbacks or they get a good
one and they don't give them achance to develop or get them the
right tools.
And so watching this BakerMayfield, and he's not the only one.
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Like, there's been other onesthat I think would have been better
if they give him a chance andthey load it up around him.
But he's the most obviousrecent one.
Go somewhere where they givehim the support he needs and he shows
out.
And here I'm like, goddamn, Cleveland.
Then we.
Anyway, I'll stop.
But that's one of the thingsthat I love about this movie is,
like, it shows him going,quarterback can't be the only thing
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we're looking at.
And now he gets a runningback, this great linebacker.
And while it was the mostgoofy, roundabout way that I don't
think in any real GM wouldever do, especially a seasoned one
they're going to take whateverpick they're going to take at seven
and they're going to leave italone because there's too much risk
inherent in what he's doing.
And to be honest, if it hadn'tbeen that they.
He started dropping after hedidn't pick him number one and trading
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up to get him, and everybody'slike, oh, something's got to be wrong.
He would have never got thechance to do it.
He would have up and gottenshit canned for drafting Vonte Mack
at one.
So it's.
It's just the little nuanceand the interesting pieces of this
that I really.
They did a good job showing itand they made it fun to.
When's the last time alinebacker went number one, though?
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Like, never.
So that's.
That's where I was like, youcould at least put in like a.
A defensive end or likeanother quarterback or maybe a wide
receiver or something.
Linebackers tackle or something.
Like, something.
Linebackers never go one.
I was like, that's.
No.
Linebackers are lucky to go inthe first round.
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It's just like Ray.
They were talking to Ray Lewisin that, and he's like.
The owner's like, when did yougo again?
Second, third.
He's like, oh, 26th.
It still hurts.
That's a linebacker's number.
If you're going in the firstround, you're going 20th to 32 or
whatever, because you're not.
You're not a linchpin position.
You don't make.
You can bring change, right?
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Yeah.
You think about Ray Lewis.
He was one of the.
Maybe the greatest line, oneof the greatest linebackers.
Mike Singletary.
Those guys didn't go number one.
They didn't even go top 20.
So it's like, that was old football.
When you love the linebacker,like, it's spack.
A running back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the one thing in thismovie that when I look at that, I
was like, they did a lot interms of realism.
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Why didn't they just changethe position?
Like, why.
Why that position?
I was like, that doesn't lineup very well.
I'd be honest with you.
I don't have, like, a ton moreto say about the movie in the sense
that it's.
It's pretty straightforward interms of what it presents to me.
It's not like a lot of.
I think one of the things thatthis movie doesn't do as well is
I don't think there's a ton ofcharacter development in this movie.
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I think there's a lot of ithappened so fast and things are there
that it's telling the story itneeds to tell.
But I don't think, like, Idon't think that's really the main
message of this movie either.
For my opinion, I don't careso much about.
Why am I forgetting his name?
The.
What's Kevin Costner'scharacter's name?
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Sunny Weaver.
Sonny Weaver.
Oh yeah.
Sonny.
Sonny Weaver.
And Ally, like the whole likeshe's pregnant.
I don't.
I think that was dumb.
I don't need that.
I don't care so much about allthose ancillary things.
I just like what they show andwhat they tell me and the realism.
But I think they, they try tocreate some other storylines.
Most particularly that one.
I'm like, I didn't need it.
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Like, you could have justshowed me another part of the draft
process and I probably wouldhave liked that more.
And then I think the characterprogression, again, I don't think
it's super important for amovie like this because they're telling
the narrative of what a daylike this is.
And I don't think you're gonnahave some like massive character
arc.
And I don't think it's like ahuge hindrance, but it's kind of
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what you see is what you get.
Yeah.
And I think for a movie that'splaying a 24 hour time period, it's
hard to put too much character development.
Sure.
Because like you say, it'sunrealistic that they're going to
completely change theirstripes in 24 hours.
And I'm with you.
24.
Where they do get out of.
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Yeah.
It's a whole different discussion.
I hated that show too, anyway.
But I do think, and I'm withyou, like I don't need the whole
alley storyline.
I like the storyline moreabout his dad.
Like I would have liked tohave seen a little bit more about
that whole dynamic because theidea of like him firing his dad and
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then the struggles that hehad, like, so I think that's cool.
I don't.
But I know why they put in thealley story.
Like one you put in a JenniferGarner in 2014.
It's another draw.
Right.
The other pieces is you're.
You're playing to a.
Your non core audience forthis movie.
Like sports fans like you and I.
I don't give a about the lovestory aspect of it.
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I want to know the sports stuff.
Casey watches.
She cares a little bit moreabout how that impacts this guy in
his life.
And I Also understand to Alexpoint, we got to put this dude through
the ringer so that he gets hispayoff at the end.
I think my big issue is I wishthey would have ended it at the party
versus going up and having toresolve that storyline of Ali and
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him being public and his mom and.
And that whole she gets hername right.
While I don't hate that scene,like, it pulls me out of this wonderfully
successful winning moment thathe has where he goes through this
draft process, he knocks thesocks off this other gm that's him
over earlier in the day.
And then you see these draftpicks and how like the success and
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then we go up and it's like weend with this weird ass Kevin Costner
kiss with a woman that I'mlike, I doubt they're gonna actually
be together.
I.
You know what I mean?
So I have this hard.
So I'm with you.
I don't love that.
But I know why they did it.
It was to drag in the nontypical sports movie audience.
Like, if there's a love storyand an angle there, then maybe those
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that aren't just sports fanslatch onto that a little bit more.
And it does add the drama.
And I, you know, the fact thathe's chasing her ass the whole day
does make me laugh.
And like, where he's asked thekid Rick, the intern Rick may be
one of my favorite charactersin this movie because he's always
there and like, he's alwaysthe reason for some weird.
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Like they go in the closet, heknocks on the door, Brian Drew just
trashed your office.
What?
Well, he told me, I asked him,he asked me if you're there.
I said no.
He said, don't go in there.
He told me to have.
Go have intercourse with mymother, who she died.
But that doesn't matter.
Just like, what the hell?
And then when he goes to himand he's like, rick, did you hear
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me?
I heard you.
Do you think Ally heard me?
No.
Good answer.
Problem is, women are tricky.
They're smarter than us.
Like, there's some greatmoments that that relationship and
that storyline create.
But at the end of the day, Idon't love that it ends on that note
because I don't, I don't havethe buy into that, that I just watched
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him win.
And so I'm like, whatever.
I wish they'd have done thatscene earlier.
But I understand that theycouldn't because it's all wrapped
up in the success of the day.
And he started off and most ofthe day was A show.
But God bless America.
There's some great ass oneliners in this movie.
Like, just love.
And I love him getting caught too.
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Like the coach from Wisconsin.
And he's like, yeah, let'sthink this through for a second.
Could it be that, you know,you don't want to get jammed up so
they didn't tell anybody, butthen they keep playing it on, like
the kids, like, you know, Idon't remember anything from that
day.
I'm like, look, dude, I'vebeen blackout drunk quite a few times.
You remember getting there,like, it's not like you just don't
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remember anything at all.
Like you.
There's a point where it goes,whoop, I'm done.
And your brain went, nope.
Can't process the alcohol andthe memories.
But yeah, he'd have known ifhis teammates were there.
And so, I don't know.
Interesting concept, but I, Ireally, I love this movie more than
I should.
How about that?
More than I feel like I should.
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But I.
That's interesting.
There's also some terrible too.
Like, I don't love the one guyfrom the Texans when he's like, tell
me about Vonte Mack.
He was such a terrible delivery.
Somebody's gonna draft him.
You didn't think he was gonnafall to the second round, did you?
What are you talking about?
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But there's also some greatones, like the Buffalo thing where
he's like, you got half thathangs up because the owner's like
a dick.
Was great.
So it's just great moments.
Not a, I don't know,interesting movie.
Should we rate it?
The last thing I'll say, justin terms of portrayal is the tension
that is created between owner,coach and gm.
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I think they, I mean, theyoverdramatize it for the sake of
the movie.
But some teams in the NFL willjust call it what it is.
I mean, you look at last year,we'll just say the Cowboys, Jerry
Jones and Mike McCarthy and,well, they don't even really have
a GM.
It's their owner basically intheir lives, their problem.
But you've got some otherorganizations like the Eagles with
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Nick Seri, who won the superbowl, ironically enough.
But the Howie Roseman, NickCeriani, and I, for the life of me,
cannot name their owner.
There's definitely tension.
They almost fired their coachafter they imploded and lost like
eight games in a row.
And they had a phenomenaldraft this year.
But I promise you, there wassome absolute tension between all
three of those individuals.
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Without a doubt, paid off.
And Won the Super Bowl.
But you're a GM in Philly ofprobably of almost all cities, man,
I can't think of maybe a morestressful job than being the general
manager of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Maybe the coach is the onlyother thing because, dude, all it
takes is like a game and ahalf and those fans will boo you
right out of your own building.
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You're like, you just lost one game.
And I did like that.
They showed a lot of thatbecause that stuff happens a lot.
We don't really get to see itbecause if you're a good organization,
you keep that stuff buttoned up.
Like Robert Kraft and BillBelichick and Tom Brady.
They didn't all.
Brady and Kraft liked eachother a lot.
Belichick and Tom Brady didn't.
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They never went to dinner once.
Bill Belichick and Kraft,towards the end, certainly weren't
buddy.
Buddy.
But they still won SuperBowls, but they kept it in house.
So I think it's a good examplein life that if drama is leaking
out to others, that's usuallya good indicator that a lot more
is happening internally.
Like, that's the old age thingof like, off.
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They're fighting in public.
What are they doing in private?
Like, yeah.
Usually rings pretty true.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's a.
It's a good point.
Like that.
Yeah, that level attention.
Good old Jimmy Haslam.
I can relate.
Jimmy Haslam and the last 19 coaches.
So at the Cleveland.
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But yeah, it just breaks myheart because every time I watch
this movie, I'm like, man, Iwish we could get a team that seems
this good in Cleveland.
Just funny because all theseowners, they're clearly very smart
individuals because most ofthem are self made billionaires.
And it's not like they're justtaking daddy's money.
Like most of them, they, theydid it.
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But when it comes to sports,they just make really poor decisions
because they cannot let go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the Raider, Al Davis,are you me right now?
Like, that's an owner that'sstepped in it many, many times.
He's paying four coaches currently.
Yeah, I know.
Or guys cuckoo for Cocoa Puff because.
He'S run three of them out of town.
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He, like, shouldn't have hireda few of them.
But yeah, yeah, they're alltrying to reinvent the wheel.
Like, Jimmy Haslam created thefootball something, something, something
position.
It's basically like the moneyball for football guy.
And it's.
I'm like, dude, you just.
You own the Browns.
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Get used to heartbreak.
Like guaranteed contract to Aplayer that good, but clearly not
good anymore and has just beenlaughed at by other teams and owners.
And that player has been horrific.
And just walking around withthe bag, having played barely any
football.
I was gonna say, I'm prettysure he was guaranteed right around
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$250 million and yeah, playedlike 12 snaps since he got that.
I'm like.
Or 12 games.
He's played more than that.
He's played like 12 games nowover like a span of three years,
which is nothing.
Yeah, but he's played like in 95.
He's been horrible.
When all of our backups,including a very old man in football
terms, comes in and shows yourass what's what.
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But they can't.
The Browns can't get away fromit because they spent $250 million
on this.
So it's about time to just getrid of his ass, eat your money and
go away.
Because now your other playersthat are actually good are wanting
to leave because you brought it.
This dipshit.
You could have picked anyquarterback in the country and paid
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him a fraction and been in abetter place than we anyway.
Sorry.
Imagine what Sonny.
Sonny Weaver would have said.
What one liner would he havefor that gm?
It would have been a good one.
Looks like Tarzan plays likeJane is what he was.
Would have said.
I love that line too.
I have 56 Janes in the locker room.
I could use it.
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Or Tarzan.
I could use a Jane.
Anyway, I don't think westarted on the coach bonehead move.
All right, I'll rate it.
I guess I'm first, right?
I'll give it a three and a half.
Like there's definitely.
For the average individualwatching, especially if you're not
a sports fan.
I'm surprised that Alec like it.
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I think they do enough toexplain the inner workings of it,
but it'll be a little bitforeign to you.
But I also know some sportsfans are really particular and it's
not going to cross every T anddot every I.
I think we talked about someof the things that it's a little
bit over dramatized.
It can feel a little bitjarring to move fast and then kind
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of move slower.
Some of the ancillary plotpoints some hit, many don't.
But I think if you likesports, you're gonna like.
Especially sports.
If you like football.
It's hard not to like likethis movie to an extent to kind of
see behind the scenes.
If you're not a sports fan andyou're married to one or you just.
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I don't know why, reallyrandomly, Because Alec never would
have watched this movie everin a million years, but he liked
it enough.
But if you like the NFL, gowatch this movie.
Like you should have seen it already.
Yeah, I'm gonna give it a four.
I think it was a surprise for me.
Like I went into it when wewatched it, like I had wanted nothing
to do with it.
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One, it dredges up old traumafor me with the Cleveland Browns
my whole life and.
But two, like, I just, I waslike, this just doesn't look like
a movie I'm interested in.
Even though I love footballand I, I actually enjoy the draft.
I don't watch pro footballhardly at all, but I watch a ton
of college and so I enjoywatching these guys get drafted as
I've been watching theircareers over two, three years, you
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know, and so it's likeinteresting to me, but I just had
no interest.
But when I watched it, like Ifell in love with it and I still
to this day just enjoy the.
Out of watching this.
We watched it.
Casey and I told we gottawatch Draft Day again for the podcast.
She's like, yes.
And so we turned it on.
I had a great time and she was watching.
I was out playing my Star warsgame a few weeks ago and she texted
(38:28):
me and she goes, you pancakey.
And I was like, oh, you'rewatching Draft Day, huh?
She's like, yeah.
So it's just like, it's one ofthose things.
And so for Casey to be able towatch a movie that's core built around
this sport, right?
And the, this one day in a, ina sport like, and enjoy it, to me
is a testament of the factthat it's actually a pretty good
(38:50):
movie regardless of what Iwant to say about it in my rational
brain.
But yeah, four for me.
I'll definitely watch it anytime.
I think it's funny, I thinkit's got great one liners, the acting
is really good, it's interesting.
There's some really strangestory lines that don't need to be
there, even though I get whythey are.
But overall, like, it's justentertaining, which I think is if
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you get away from trying tomake it a Oscar performance, which
it's not.
It's just fun and it'sentertaining and I like that.
So four for me.
I'll watch it anytime.
Alec, bring us home, buddy.
I'm also gonna give it a threeand a half.
I've never watched a draft.
I will never watch the draft.
I don't give a flying aboutwho gets drafted where, don't care.
And so for me, all the littleside stories that kind of hurt you
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guys actually made this moviebetter because I get that payoff.
I get the reason behind thesaddest dress to get him to the point.
And so it does a very good job.
My opinion of something that alot of movies don't, which is earning
the ending.
You get a lot of like, oh,this is.
This would be a great ending.
And they almost work backwardsand they don't care about any way
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to get there.
You get these jumps that are jarring.
It feels weird.
This I understand, like,immensely the amount of pressure
he's under, the stress.
And every single person inthe, you know, Cleveland Browns organization
could have made it easier on him.
They just didn't.
Like, even down to Ralph, youknow, do you want to know who sent
the money back?
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Every little bit of bodylanguage that Kevin Costner is putting
out is do not ask that question.
And here's Ralph security guy.
It's taken 45 minutes to tellhim anything.
And it's just the.
The fact that.
That all that stresses bottles up.
It's all these littlestorylines that happen on the side
I love.
And it makes it a better watch me.
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So I'll give it three and a half.
I don't know if I'll watch it again.
I mean, I won't have a problemwatching it again, but I don't think
I'll go seek it out.
Yeah, that's fair.
I love.
I love too.
In that moment at the end whenhe puts his little.
His finger up and he's like.
Gets a eating grin because heknows he's one comes back.
Love this job.
Like, it's.
It is a great ending to your point.
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All right, well, there it is.
Draft Day.
What a fun sleeper movie.
I highly recommend it.
If you haven't seen it, gowatch it once.
See what you think.
Because obviously it to get.
I'm shocked.
I love that Alec enjoyed itbecause I thought Alex was good.
That's shocking.
We're gonna fight later.
Don't worry.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
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That's fair.
We'll fight down the road andyou'll break my heart.
But this one made up for it alittle bit.
So tell everybody where theycan find us, Alec.
Happy to.
This is week two of our KevinCostner sports films kicking off.
March strong so far.
A couple great films.
Special thanks and shout outto our patrons, Rich and CB for selecting
the movies within this topic.
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Got a great lineup coming for you.
Guys the remainder of the month.
But yeah, what you guys thinkof drafting?
Do you guys agree with us?
Are you big sports fans likeJJ and Matson and really get into
it for the that experience?
Are you more like me and justkind of tuned in to go see a great
movie?
Let us know in the comments below.
And with that, I'll kick itback to our very own fearless leader,
the King of Crash, TheMaharaja of Mash.
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J.J.
yeah.
Thanks, Alec.
Sweet.
That was fun.
Good times.
Looking forward to the next few.
We got some interesting moviescoming up.
Should be some interestingdiscussions, but as always, we appreciate
you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the next one.
Wait.
Hasta la vista, baby.
Cinematic la.
Well, and there's a lot ofparallels too because as a Cleveland
Browns fan.
If you can call it JJ's not anNFL fan, let's just let people.
Know because I'm a ClevelandBrowns fan.
Like listen, it's not a way to live.
I.
Hey, I'm a, I'm a.
I was a Redskins now commander.
So I feel you, my friend.
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Welcome to the what's UpVerdict podcast.
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But yeah.
Welcome to week two of ourKevin Costner Sports Film Month.
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We are kicking into week two with.
It's probably one of the more,the less famous ones of this, but
I think it's a sleeper, whichwe'll talk about.
But yeah, we're doing Draft Day.
It was released April 11, 2014.
It was written by ScottRothman and Raheem Joseph.
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It was directed by Ivan Reitman.
Stars Kevin Costner, ChadwickBoseman, Jennifer Garner, Frank Langella,
Chris Berman, Dave Donaldson,Patrick Saint Esprit, Chai McBride,
John Gruden and Mike Mayock.
We throw in a couple othersbut you know, we'll keep going.
But anyway, this movie is about.
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At the NFL draft, generalmanager Sonny Weaver has the opportunity
to rebuild his team when hetrades for the number one pick.
Must decide what he's willingto sacrifice on a life changing day
for a few hundred young menwith NFL dreams.
That's.
There's some, some interestingsynopses for these Kevin Costner's
films so far.
Matson, this was your pick, man.
Kick us off.
Tell us why you picked this one.
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Yeah, I mean we don't talkabout sports a ton on here because
we talk about movies, but I'man avid sports fan.
I, I mean as we just talkedabout in our last podcast, JJ loves
baseball and sports.
I love sports.
The sport I love the most forsure is football.
(02:37):
I prefer college over the NFL.
I mean, that's probably like,literally splitting hair.
Like, I just love football.
It's a sad day now.
There is no football.
I, it's, it's sad.
So I love sports.
And specifically, if you wereto ask me, like, what job I would
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love to have if I wasn't,like, recruited, I could do it all
over again.
One, I love to love work for asports organization, but being like
a general manager, I thinkwould be amazing.
That being said, that job,while it can be extremely rewarding,
is exceptionally difficult,full of pressure, and many times
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doesn't always go well.
And if it doesn't go well,you're not going to have a job.
So lots of pressure.
But I, I, I think it's anamazing position.
I really think when you lookat this movie, it really shows, like,
the inner workings of how anorganization makes decisions on one
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of the most impactful andimportant days of a franchise being
the draft, because you got toget new players, you got to make
moves.
And I, as, as I've gottenolder, I've become more fascinated
in how teams grade players,why they draft, why they make trades,
how they value their picks.
And I think this is just agreat experience in peeling back
(04:03):
the onion on if I was to stepinto a role like this, like, what
were those days leading up andwhat would the day of that look like?
And I think they do a prettygood job.
And so, for that matter, thismovie feels like something that I've
seen through the lens of espn,but then Hollywood decided to do
a deeper dive.
And it's intriguing to me.
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It's got everything that I love.
And again, this movie is aboutfootball, but it's not really, like,
about football football.
It's about the behind thescenes of it and the really important
decisions that are madebecause there's not really much on
the field action.
In fact, there's, like, very little.
But then I think the more youbecome a fan of, like, Jay with the
(04:45):
Buckeyes or me with thecommanders at byu, the more you understand
about your team.
You understand most of thereason your team is good is because
you have to make thosedecisions on which players to put
in the right positions.
And if you don't have that,then don't matter what you do on
Sunday or Saturday, it's notgoing to work.
So I really like this moviebecause it's, it's all things that
(05:08):
I like.
It just gets into more the,the finite details.
Fair enough.
Alec, I'm very curious.
Had you seen this movie before?
No.
No surprise.
J.J.
no, absolutely not.
Why would I have seen thismovie before?
Yeah, for sure.
And I was.
I was hating it at firstbecause I saw the clock tick down
(05:30):
and that's a type of movie Idon't appreciate.
Is like.
Like I can't watch this TVseries 24 because of the clock.
Oh, 24 is like the.
The countdown.
I hate it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I just don't get thatpoint or that purpose.
But I enjoyed this and it.
(05:53):
The not understanding.
Right.
A lot of the mechanics that gointo draft day or the draft rules
or whatever it is.
I was kind of sitting theregoing, wouldn't it be better just
to, you know, take the numberone pick, pick the guy that everybody
says is going to go, and thentrade him later?
And so I was sitting therethinking this as it's going through,
(06:13):
but that obviously doesn'tbuild suspense.
And so, you know, building upto the climax, everything's going.
I was like, okay, like, Ienjoyed it.
It was a good movie.
I liked it.
Nice.
In the sports world, why theydidn't do that is because if they
drafted Bo Callahan and he waswhat they found out two years later,
he would have sucked.
He would have been a completefailure, and no one would have given
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him the compensation that theylost for drafting him.
That does happen a lot in sports.
Quite a bit.
And I think that's.
I know you're about Cleveland Browns.
Yeah.
The funny part about this isthe team that was.
They worried about thishappening to.
They would have actuallydrafted Bocalhan Alec and messed
up and would have had acomplete dumpster fire.
(06:55):
Which was funny becausewhoever decided to pick the Browns,
they were probably trying todo a nice dose of karma to say, you
know what?
It's going to change our fortunes.
It's going to.
It didn't work.
They're still terrible this year.
They usually did around.
Isn't that when the movie cameout, the year that they drafted Manziel?
(07:16):
Yes, I think.
And that, I mean, it's funnybecause Bo Callahan, like a lot of
what they were like, I waslike, oh, they made a drone or drew
some inspiration from like thequarterback who was going to go with
the first pick.
Yeah, well, and there's a lotof parallels, too, because as a Cleveland
Browns fan, if you can call it jj.
Is not an NFL fan.
(07:36):
Just let people know.
Because I'm a Cleveland Browns fan.
Like, listen, it's not a wayto live.
I'm a.
I'm a.
I was a Redskins nowcommander, so I feel you, my friend.
Sure.
But Being a Browns, we have life.
We have life now, I should say.
Yeah, we don't.
We won't ever.
Like, the Browns are terrible.
(07:59):
It's.
It's.
Yeah, they're.
They.
They suck.
And they have broken my heartmany years.
For 40 years, I gave up on them.
Still don't.
I don't watch pro footballbecause it hurts my soul.
Anyway.
No, look, I watched.
I did not go see this in theaters.
And it's funny because I wasliving in Ohio when this came out,
(08:20):
and I was like, I can't.
Why do I want to go watch amovie about one of the most painful
things that I live throughevery year?
Because I watch the draft andtry to keep up with who the Browns
pick.
Every time those clowns pick aquarterback, I go, well, there's
another one that's gonna.
The bed just because they'regoing to Cleveland.
And so it's.
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For me, I didn't want to watchthis movie, but Casey has an obsession
with Kevin Costner.
And so we were home one dayand we were streaming and it was.
It popped up somewhere and sowe watched it.
And it's now become a staplein our house.
Like, we watch it quite oftenbecause at the end of the day, it's
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a pretty fun movie.
Like, it's.
It's entertaining.
There's some interestingthings that you learn.
Like, if you don't knowanything about the draft, you get
to see some interestingconcepts around, like player choice
and the stress of what itwould be like to make that.
And then there's some reallygreat dialogue in this movie that's
just makes me laugh.
And it's so ridiculous.
Like, you'll hear in my housebetween Casey and I.
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And I'm sure Matson, I'm sureyou both have heard me say it.
Like, show Johnny over here.
Like, that's one of my.
Like when he's yelling at thatkid about the tapes for Bo Callahead,
and he's like, show Johnnyover here.
Doesn't know what the hellhe's doing.
Like, we use that line all the time.
Then there's the one wherethey're in the closet for the second
time, and he's like.
And Ralph the security guycomes in.
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He's like, everybody cozy?
I can't even.
So there's just so many, like,great one liners and, like, little
pieces of dialogue.
But there's also some prettyserious conversations that happen.
Right?
Like, I can't imagine, toMax's point, like, the one job that
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I look at from an NFLPerspective or sports in general.
Not just NFL, but pro sports.
As much as it might be cool tobe a gm, like, I don't know if I
could handle that kind of.
Because it falls all.
It's all on you.
Like there's no backstopsafety net.
Like you it up, you it up.
And there's a lot ofopportunity to mess up.
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Especially like on a draft daywhere you're trying to get cute.
And he's not wrong.
Like that line where he'stalking to the young, the Jeff guy,
Jeff Carson on theJacksonville Jaguars, the end.
And he's like, you know, everyyear somebody comes out of this looking
like a donkey.
Like everybody.
Every year without fail,there's a team that someone's like,
well, that GM up.
Like it just.
And so I really like how theyreally used kind of what it feels
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like.
But then the build up and Ijust really enjoy this movie more,
more than I care to admit.
Like, it's a movie I'll tellpeople about.
And I'm like, you should watch it.
It's really.
And I'm all sheepish about itbecause it's like I shouldn't like
this movie this much, but Ido, I like it quite a bit.
What about you, Alex?
So you knew?
Not a huge sports guy.
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Don't love.
Like, what made you enjoy this movie?
It was the two things, really.
One was the wrap up, right?
Where he kind of gets in thewar room and he's got.
And he's in his element now.
Yeah.
And like, and then the reasonthat he got to that point, right?
Because he has zero peace theentire day.
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Like everything oreverybody's, you know, shit's burning
down, house is on fire andhe's going around, dude, it's draft
day.
Like, there's 364 othergoddamn days where you can bring
this up, but on this one dayis where it's all just piling on.
Like his mom showing up.
We're gonna read your dad'sashes with the Celtic prayer on the
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fifth year.
And he's like, do you not knowwhat today is?
And so like this whole processof him getting to this position where
by the time it's draft time,he just does not care because it's
almost like he's getting inhis own head the entire time, right?
He's listening to the radioand start talking about him.
That's like the one thingyou're not supposed to do, right?
You post a video, don't readthe comments or, you know, you're,
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you're in that position.
Don't listen to what they'resaying about you on the radio.
Just don't pay attention to it.
And that's what you tell proathletes all the time as well.
It's like, hey, don't post.
Don't do nothing.
And this is just gearing himup so it gets him out of his own
head.
And now he's able to kind ofgo in there and he just says it,
and then he makes his move.
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And then he, you know, almostverbatim goes back on the Seahawks
from the beginning of themovie where he gets the one pick
and he just hits him back withthe zingers.
And, you know, by the time youget to pancake eating, I'm like,
dude, let's go.
Browns are gonna win it allthis year.
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It f me.
Yeah.
And so it's.
It's that kind of buildup inthe process that they get to, you
know, to the end.
And in my opinion, you know,that's something that this movie
earns, that ending.
Whereas if you did it adifferent way, it would almost feel
like, oh, this is Hollywood,you know, kind of show garbage.
But they earned the payoff byhaving this build up.
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Get there.
I like it.
I love that scene at the endwhen he uses all the callbacks from
the previous conversations.
He's like, we live in adifferent world.
We did just 30 seconds ago.
Like, I can give you the.
I've got the golden ticket, Tom.
Yeah, you can say football in Seattle.
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That's right.
You get your boy Wonder.
And then.
But I think one of my favoriteparts in that is the.
The.
The realization when he says,and you get your boy wonder for $7
million less.
And you watch that owner onthe other side go, oh, good point.
Which can then convinces Tomto say, okay, we'll figure it out.
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The other part that I love is the.
When he puts him on hold,like, he gets the, okay, we'll do
it.
The whole.
What else do we need?
Like, I'm gonna leverage theout of this guy.
He's like, and I want DavidPutney just because I goddamn feel
like it.
Like, I just like that whole.
You're right.
That whole sequence right downto I call my father in law.
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And I told my father in lawabout this movie Casey and I did.
And so they watch it all thetime too now.
But, like, we call it, youpancake eating.
Like, we do that all the timejust because it's such a great line.
But there's a lot of thatthroughout the movie.
And Some interesting bits, Ithink, for me, one of the things
that I like the most about thestory, but it's usually something
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that I hate about movies is,like, when it's a bunch of scenes,
right?
Like.
But this movie's full of those.
Like, I also laugh when he'smeeting with Ralph and he's like,
how'd you know there's a butt?
Because you're an unoriginalbastard, Ralph.
Like, it's just these wholelittle individual conversations that
he has throughout the movieare so good.
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And his delivery is great.
Like, it's so not my normalKevin Costner experience that this
movie.
And then I love the visualsof, like, the almost comic book,
like, where you get to seehim, like, when he's looking in the
mirror having a panic attack.
Because, like, Brian Drew'sdoing great, and he's got this quarterback
that he now should draft, sohe's putting the water on his face.
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But you also get to seeJennifer Carter's character basically
doing the same thing.
Like those subtle littlecamera angles and split shots.
I love that.
It's quirky and weird and it'snot something I usually like, but
it works in this movie for me.
There's a lot of weird thingsabout this movie that I'm like.
I don't want to like this, butI do.
Well, you, Matthew, what getsyou going on this movie, besides
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the GM and football?
I mean, I think that one ofthe things that sticks out to me
that I like is the.
What happens a lot in thedraft process is the.
The arc of someone's like, thebona fide number one, like the Bo
Callahan, but then there's,like, kind of an underdog that starts
to get picked up.
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Like the.
The linebacker in this movie,his name Ray or Ray Jennings or something,
or not.
So running back, but then theother guy who.
And if you have off the fieldstuff, like, teams are looking at
character, they're looking atiq, they're looking at injury history.
They're doing all these things.
And it's part of.
It's how well can you sell yourself?
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How well can your agent putyou out there?
Can they drum up the buzz?
Like, there's a player rightnow in this year's draft, Jackson
Dart from the Ole Miss sec,who wasn't on the first round radar,
but he had a great Senior bowl day.
And you can see all this stufflike that.
They're saying he could go inthe first round.
And, like, it wasn't a firstround, if you asked anyone, like,
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a month ago.
But now he might be and he's aplayer that if you insert him into
the draft day process, hischaracter is good.
But a lot of GMs, if they werein this movie, would be leery of
like, I don't know, does hehave the town?
Like, am I gonna be the donkeyin this situation or did I find the
diamond in the rough?
And I like that.
This movie shows.
They simplify it obviously,but they show some of the dynamics
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of having the interviews,asking the tough questions, doing
like the private investigatorwork to be like, well, what really
happened at this party?
Like, what, do his teammatesreally like him?
His teammates don't like him.
He's probably not a goodcharacter guy.
That may sound simple in the movie.
That is real.
Like they'll if tell you rightnow one of JJ's favorite players
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on the buckets, it was a goodquarterback, but his team didn't
like him.
It's a lot that you need toknow about the character, the kid,
if he's going to come play foryou because his team probably wouldn't
like him and maybe he willflame out, maybe he won't get the
support.
And they simplify that.
But that stuff is a hugedecision factor because in these
sports, like you have thetalent, but like the Johnny Manziel,
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for instance, if you don'thave the character, you are going
to get eaten alive and you'regoing to make your organization look
absolutely laughable.
Like he did to the Browns ifthey had drafted like Bo Callahan
in this example.
And so I thought that was.
It was less about like, can this.
Is this guy good on the field?
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Is this person good off the field?
Is.
And we.
You always hear the word intangibles.
They didn't really use that inthis movie, but that's like the bit,
the big thing.
And I think they did a reallygood job of that.
I liked how they also wovenlike real life ESPN into this.
Like it felt authentic.
I think that's what this moviereally delivered on is it felt very
real in that sense.
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And I appreciated the realismabove all things.
I think what's hard about thismovie is just by the makeup of it
is you're trying to condensesomething that's so big and fast
paced into a movie that you'regoing to be cutting corners.
And if there are fans that aremore difficult than Star wars fans,
it's sports fans.
And if you don't like holdeverything to the letter of the law,
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they're going to call you outon it.
And there's Definitely somepitfalls in this movie in terms of
the over dramatization of allthe decisions being.
Being made in such a shortspan of time and.
And the.
The evaluations and howthey're glossing things.
They can't do everythingperfect in like an hour and a half
movie.
But I appreciate this movie.
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Tried really hard to paint thepicture of something that I really
enjoy.
Yeah, well, I like how theydid take it to the extreme.
Like, there's the conversationwith the guys that he tells to look
at Beau Callahan.
They're all sitting aroundlooking at that computer, at how
many chicks he's sleeping with.
But when he gets all serious,like, he's like, guys.
And they're like, what, man?
He doesn't speak French real good.
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You know?
And they're down to thatpoint, and it sounds ridiculous,
but that's the shit that theylook at, like, to the level of they
can tell you what this guy'sgrades were, where he struggled,
they're finding out what histeammates thought about him.
Does he have bad habits?
Does like.
And I.
Some of these speeches that weget throughout the film, I love the
moments that we get theexplainer parts, like, because this
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movie is obviously built forsports fans and for those of us that
haven't understood, even on asmall level of understanding of what
the draft is and how seriousit is, like, we look at this and
go, this is great.
But they also make theexplainers interesting for those
of us that already understand it.
Like in that moment when heexplains, like, look, everybody's
got something.
They didn't think PeytonManning had an arm, and they thought
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Joe Montana was too small, butit didn't matter, and we need to
figure out what his thing isand does it matter?
And that little explanationfor two and a half minutes, like,
for me and talking to Casey,who's not a football fan, like, outside
of she watches it because I'mwatching it.
Like, that kind of helps itmake enough sense for her as to what
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the important part is.
And then we're talking aboutthose to match, support the intangibles.
There's things that you can'tmeasure but need to be measured in
some way, shape or form or atleast discussed.
So I love those explainers.
And then you also have, like,the one where Ali's talking about.
She's having this dilemmabetween what he should do, and he's
like, he's a winner.
Talking about Bo Callahan.
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He's a winner.
He's won everywhere he's went.
And she goes, yeah, that's thesame thing they said about Ryan Leaf
when he went number two.
Ryan Leaf tanked.
Like, he was a terrible draftat number two, but he was great in
college.
And then you have where she.
On the flip side, she goes,tom Brady was like, 126th or whatever
it was that he went.
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Became arguably the greatestquarterback the NFL's had up to this
point.
So it's like, the draft is nota perfect science either.
Like, there's no one.
And I love that they talk.
There's no way.
There's no such thing, shesays, as a sure thing.
Like, you just have to parseit out and figure it out.
And I love to, as a Brownsfan, let me step in and say I get
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frustrated when everybody'safter the quarterback.
And I get that it's thelinchpin of a football team, at least
on the offensive side andarguably the most important position
that you can.
Phil.
But at the same time, like,it's one of the least consistent
when it comes to, like, thegreats and finding a great quarterback.
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So I always get superfrustrated because that's one of
the first things thatCleveland, in all of their real life
history, has always looked at.
And they always, like, there's.
There's a guy somewhere inCleveland fandom that has this vest
that he's taken and putpatches of every single quarterback's
name that they've had over,like, the last 10 years.
There's like 35 of them.
Because the Cleveland Browns cannot.
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It doesn't matter which oftheir three owners in the last 20
years they're talking about.
They all think that everythingrevolves completely around the quarterback.
And so they end up with theseshow quarterbacks or they get a good
one and they don't give them achance to develop or get them the
right tools.
And so watching this BakerMayfield, and he's not the only one.
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Like, there's been other onesthat I think would have been better
if they give him a chance andthey load it up around him.
But he's the most obviousrecent one.
Go somewhere where they givehim the support he needs and he shows
out.
And here I'm like, goddamn, Cleveland.
Then we.
Anyway, I'll stop.
But that's one of the thingsthat I love about this movie is,
like, it shows him going,quarterback can't be the only thing
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we're looking at.
And now he gets a runningback, this great linebacker.
And while it was the mostgoofy, roundabout way that I don't
think in any real GM wouldever do, especially a seasoned one
they're going to take whateverpick they're going to take at seven
and they're going to leave italone because there's too much risk
inherent in what he's doing.
And to be honest, if it hadn'tbeen that they.
He started dropping after hedidn't pick him number one and trading
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up to get him, and everybody'slike, oh, something's got to be wrong.
He would have never got thechance to do it.
He would have up and gottenshit canned for drafting Vonte Mack
at one.
So it's.
It's just the little nuanceand the interesting pieces of this
that I really.
They did a good job showing itand they made it fun to.
When's the last time alinebacker went number one, though?
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Like, never.
So that's.
That's where I was like, youcould at least put in like a.
A defensive end or likeanother quarterback or maybe a wide
receiver or something.
Linebackers tackle or something.
Like, something.
Linebackers never go one.
I was like, that's.
No.
Linebackers are lucky to go inthe first round.
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It's just like Ray.
They were talking to Ray Lewisin that, and he's like.
The owner's like, when did yougo again?
Second, third.
He's like, oh, 26th.
It still hurts.
That's a linebacker's number.
If you're going in the firstround, you're going 20th to 32 or
whatever, because you're not.
You're not a linchpin position.
You don't make.
You can bring change, right?
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Yeah.
You think about Ray Lewis.
He was one of the.
Maybe the greatest line, oneof the greatest linebackers.
Mike Singletary.
Those guys didn't go number one.
They didn't even go top 20.
So it's like, that was old football.
When you love the linebacker,like, it's spack.
A running back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the one thing in thismovie that when I look at that, I
was like, they did a lot interms of realism.
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Why didn't they just changethe position?
Like, why.
Why that position?
I was like, that doesn't lineup very well.
I'd be honest with you.
I don't have, like, a ton moreto say about the movie in the sense
that it's.
It's pretty straightforward interms of what it presents to me.
It's not like a lot of.
I think one of the things thatthis movie doesn't do as well is
I don't think there's a ton ofcharacter development in this movie.
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I think there's a lot of ithappened so fast and things are there
that it's telling the story itneeds to tell.
But I don't think, like, Idon't think that's really the main
message of this movie either.
For my opinion, I don't careso much about.
Why am I forgetting his name?
The.
What's Kevin Costner'scharacter's name?
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Sunny Weaver.
Sonny Weaver.
Oh yeah.
Sonny.
Sonny Weaver.
And Ally, like the whole likeshe's pregnant.
I don't.
I think that was dumb.
I don't need that.
I don't care so much about allthose ancillary things.
I just like what they show andwhat they tell me and the realism.
But I think they, they try tocreate some other storylines.
Most particularly that one.
I'm like, I didn't need it.
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Like, you could have justshowed me another part of the draft
process and I probably wouldhave liked that more.
And then I think the characterprogression, again, I don't think
it's super important for amovie like this because they're telling
the narrative of what a daylike this is.
And I don't think you're gonnahave some like massive character
arc.
And I don't think it's like ahuge hindrance, but it's kind of
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what you see is what you get.
Yeah.
And I think for a movie that'splaying a 24 hour time period, it's
hard to put too much character development.
Sure.
Because like you say, it'sunrealistic that they're going to
completely change theirstripes in 24 hours.
And I'm with you.
24.
Where they do get out of.
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Yeah.
It's a whole different discussion.
I hated that show too, anyway.
But I do think, and I'm withyou, like I don't need the whole
alley storyline.
I like the storyline moreabout his dad.
Like I would have liked tohave seen a little bit more about
that whole dynamic because theidea of like him firing his dad and
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then the struggles that hehad, like, so I think that's cool.
I don't.
But I know why they put in thealley story.
Like one you put in a JenniferGarner in 2014.
It's another draw.
Right.
The other pieces is you're.
You're playing to a.
Your non core audience forthis movie.
Like sports fans like you and I.
I don't give a about the lovestory aspect of it.
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I want to know the sports stuff.
Casey watches.
She cares a little bit moreabout how that impacts this guy in
his life.
And I Also understand to Alexpoint, we got to put this dude through
the ringer so that he gets hispayoff at the end.
I think my big issue is I wishthey would have ended it at the party
versus going up and having toresolve that storyline of Ali and
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him being public and his mom and.
And that whole she gets hername right.
While I don't hate that scene,like, it pulls me out of this wonderfully
successful winning moment thathe has where he goes through this
draft process, he knocks thesocks off this other gm that's him
over earlier in the day.
And then you see these draftpicks and how like the success and
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then we go up and it's like weend with this weird ass Kevin Costner
kiss with a woman that I'mlike, I doubt they're gonna actually
be together.
I.
You know what I mean?
So I have this hard.
So I'm with you.
I don't love that.
But I know why they did it.
It was to drag in the nontypical sports movie audience.
Like, if there's a love storyand an angle there, then maybe those
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that aren't just sports fanslatch onto that a little bit more.
And it does add the drama.
And I, you know, the fact thathe's chasing her ass the whole day
does make me laugh.
And like, where he's asked thekid Rick, the intern Rick may be
one of my favorite charactersin this movie because he's always
there and like, he's alwaysthe reason for some weird.
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Like they go in the closet, heknocks on the door, Brian Drew just
trashed your office.
What?
Well, he told me, I asked him,he asked me if you're there.
I said no.
He said, don't go in there.
He told me to have.
Go have intercourse with mymother, who she died.
But that doesn't matter.
Just like, what the hell?
And then when he goes to himand he's like, rick, did you hear
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me?
I heard you.
Do you think Ally heard me?
No.
Good answer.
Problem is, women are tricky.
They're smarter than us.
Like, there's some greatmoments that that relationship and
that storyline create.
But at the end of the day, Idon't love that it ends on that note
because I don't, I don't havethe buy into that, that I just watched
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him win.
And so I'm like, whatever.
I wish they'd have done thatscene earlier.
But I understand that theycouldn't because it's all wrapped
up in the success of the day.
And he started off and most ofthe day was A show.
But God bless America.
There's some great ass oneliners in this movie.
Like, just love.
And I love him getting caught too.
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Like the coach from Wisconsin.
And he's like, yeah, let'sthink this through for a second.
Could it be that, you know,you don't want to get jammed up so
they didn't tell anybody, butthen they keep playing it on, like
the kids, like, you know, Idon't remember anything from that
day.
I'm like, look, dude, I'vebeen blackout drunk quite a few times.
You remember getting there,like, it's not like you just don't
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remember anything at all.
Like you.
There's a point where it goes,whoop, I'm done.
And your brain went, nope.
Can't process the alcohol andthe memories.
But yeah, he'd have known ifhis teammates were there.
And so, I don't know.
Interesting concept, but I, Ireally, I love this movie more than
I should.
How about that?
More than I feel like I should.
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But I.
That's interesting.
There's also some terrible too.
Like, I don't love the one guyfrom the Texans when he's like, tell
me about Vonte Mack.
He was such a terrible delivery.
Somebody's gonna draft him.
You didn't think he was gonnafall to the second round, did you?
What are you talking about?
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But there's also some greatones, like the Buffalo thing where
he's like, you got half thathangs up because the owner's like
a dick.
Was great.
So it's just great moments.
Not a, I don't know,interesting movie.
Should we rate it?
The last thing I'll say, justin terms of portrayal is the tension
that is created between owner,coach and gm.
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I think they, I mean, theyoverdramatize it for the sake of
the movie.
But some teams in the NFL willjust call it what it is.
I mean, you look at last year,we'll just say the Cowboys, Jerry
Jones and Mike McCarthy and,well, they don't even really have
a GM.
It's their owner basically intheir lives, their problem.
But you've got some otherorganizations like the Eagles with
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Nick Seri, who won the superbowl, ironically enough.
But the Howie Roseman, NickCeriani, and I, for the life of me,
cannot name their owner.
There's definitely tension.
They almost fired their coachafter they imploded and lost like
eight games in a row.
And they had a phenomenaldraft this year.
But I promise you, there wassome absolute tension between all
three of those individuals.
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Without a doubt, paid off.
And Won the Super Bowl.
But you're a GM in Philly ofprobably of almost all cities, man,
I can't think of maybe a morestressful job than being the general
manager of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Maybe the coach is the onlyother thing because, dude, all it
takes is like a game and ahalf and those fans will boo you
right out of your own building.
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You're like, you just lost one game.
And I did like that.
They showed a lot of thatbecause that stuff happens a lot.
We don't really get to see itbecause if you're a good organization,
you keep that stuff buttoned up.
Like Robert Kraft and BillBelichick and Tom Brady.
They didn't all.
Brady and Kraft liked eachother a lot.
Belichick and Tom Brady didn't.
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They never went to dinner once.
Bill Belichick and Kraft,towards the end, certainly weren't
buddy.
Buddy.
But they still won SuperBowls, but they kept it in house.
So I think it's a good examplein life that if drama is leaking
out to others, that's usuallya good indicator that a lot more
is happening internally.
Like, that's the old age thingof like, off.
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They're fighting in public.
What are they doing in private?
Like, yeah.
Usually rings pretty true.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's a.
It's a good point.
Like that.
Yeah, that level attention.
Good old Jimmy Haslam.
I can relate.
Jimmy Haslam and the last 19 coaches.
So at the Cleveland.
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But yeah, it just breaks myheart because every time I watch
this movie, I'm like, man, Iwish we could get a team that seems
this good in Cleveland.
Just funny because all theseowners, they're clearly very smart
individuals because most ofthem are self made billionaires.
And it's not like they're justtaking daddy's money.
Like most of them, they, theydid it.
(34:18):
But when it comes to sports,they just make really poor decisions
because they cannot let go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the Raider, Al Davis,are you me right now?
Like, that's an owner that'sstepped in it many, many times.
He's paying four coaches currently.
Yeah, I know.
Or guys cuckoo for Cocoa Puff because.
He'S run three of them out of town.
(34:39):
He, like, shouldn't have hireda few of them.
But yeah, yeah, they're alltrying to reinvent the wheel.
Like, Jimmy Haslam created thefootball something, something, something
position.
It's basically like the moneyball for football guy.
And it's.
I'm like, dude, you just.
You own the Browns.
(35:00):
Get used to heartbreak.
Like guaranteed contract to Aplayer that good, but clearly not
good anymore and has just beenlaughed at by other teams and owners.
And that player has been horrific.
And just walking around withthe bag, having played barely any
football.
I was gonna say, I'm prettysure he was guaranteed right around
(35:20):
$250 million and yeah, playedlike 12 snaps since he got that.
I'm like.
Or 12 games.
He's played more than that.
He's played like 12 games nowover like a span of three years,
which is nothing.
Yeah, but he's played like in 95.
He's been horrible.
When all of our backups,including a very old man in football
terms, comes in and shows yourass what's what.
(35:42):
But they can't.
The Browns can't get away fromit because they spent $250 million
on this.
So it's about time to just getrid of his ass, eat your money and
go away.
Because now your other playersthat are actually good are wanting
to leave because you brought it.
This dipshit.
You could have picked anyquarterback in the country and paid
(36:02):
him a fraction and been in abetter place than we anyway.
Sorry.
Imagine what Sonny.
Sonny Weaver would have said.
What one liner would he havefor that gm?
It would have been a good one.
Looks like Tarzan plays likeJane is what he was.
Would have said.
I love that line too.
I have 56 Janes in the locker room.
I could use it.
(36:23):
Or Tarzan.
I could use a Jane.
Anyway, I don't think westarted on the coach bonehead move.
All right, I'll rate it.
I guess I'm first, right?
I'll give it a three and a half.
Like there's definitely.
For the average individualwatching, especially if you're not
a sports fan.
I'm surprised that Alec like it.
(36:44):
I think they do enough toexplain the inner workings of it,
but it'll be a little bitforeign to you.
But I also know some sportsfans are really particular and it's
not going to cross every T anddot every I.
I think we talked about someof the things that it's a little
bit over dramatized.
It can feel a little bitjarring to move fast and then kind
(37:04):
of move slower.
Some of the ancillary plotpoints some hit, many don't.
But I think if you likesports, you're gonna like.
Especially sports.
If you like football.
It's hard not to like likethis movie to an extent to kind of
see behind the scenes.
If you're not a sports fan andyou're married to one or you just.
(37:25):
I don't know why, reallyrandomly, Because Alec never would
have watched this movie everin a million years, but he liked
it enough.
But if you like the NFL, gowatch this movie.
Like you should have seen it already.
Yeah, I'm gonna give it a four.
I think it was a surprise for me.
Like I went into it when wewatched it, like I had wanted nothing
to do with it.
(37:45):
One, it dredges up old traumafor me with the Cleveland Browns
my whole life and.
But two, like, I just, I waslike, this just doesn't look like
a movie I'm interested in.
Even though I love footballand I, I actually enjoy the draft.
I don't watch pro footballhardly at all, but I watch a ton
of college and so I enjoywatching these guys get drafted as
I've been watching theircareers over two, three years, you
(38:07):
know, and so it's likeinteresting to me, but I just had
no interest.
But when I watched it, like Ifell in love with it and I still
to this day just enjoy the.
Out of watching this.
We watched it.
Casey and I told we gottawatch Draft Day again for the podcast.
She's like, yes.
And so we turned it on.
I had a great time and she was watching.
I was out playing my Star warsgame a few weeks ago and she texted
(38:28):
me and she goes, you pancakey.
And I was like, oh, you'rewatching Draft Day, huh?
She's like, yeah.
So it's just like, it's one ofthose things.
And so for Casey to be able towatch a movie that's core built around
this sport, right?
And the, this one day in a, ina sport like, and enjoy it, to me
is a testament of the factthat it's actually a pretty good
(38:50):
movie regardless of what Iwant to say about it in my rational
brain.
But yeah, four for me.
I'll definitely watch it anytime.
I think it's funny, I thinkit's got great one liners, the acting
is really good, it's interesting.
There's some really strangestory lines that don't need to be
there, even though I get whythey are.
But overall, like, it's justentertaining, which I think is if
(39:10):
you get away from trying tomake it a Oscar performance, which
it's not.
It's just fun and it'sentertaining and I like that.
So four for me.
I'll watch it anytime.
Alec, bring us home, buddy.
I'm also gonna give it a threeand a half.
I've never watched a draft.
I will never watch the draft.
I don't give a flying aboutwho gets drafted where, don't care.
And so for me, all the littleside stories that kind of hurt you
(39:33):
guys actually made this moviebetter because I get that payoff.
I get the reason behind thesaddest dress to get him to the point.
And so it does a very good job.
My opinion of something that alot of movies don't, which is earning
the ending.
You get a lot of like, oh,this is.
This would be a great ending.
And they almost work backwardsand they don't care about any way
(39:54):
to get there.
You get these jumps that are jarring.
It feels weird.
This I understand, like,immensely the amount of pressure
he's under, the stress.
And every single person inthe, you know, Cleveland Browns organization
could have made it easier on him.
They just didn't.
Like, even down to Ralph, youknow, do you want to know who sent
the money back?
(40:17):
Every little bit of bodylanguage that Kevin Costner is putting
out is do not ask that question.
And here's Ralph security guy.
It's taken 45 minutes to tellhim anything.
And it's just the.
The fact that.
That all that stresses bottles up.
It's all these littlestorylines that happen on the side
I love.
And it makes it a better watch me.
(40:37):
So I'll give it three and a half.
I don't know if I'll watch it again.
I mean, I won't have a problemwatching it again, but I don't think
I'll go seek it out.
Yeah, that's fair.
I love.
I love too.
In that moment at the end whenhe puts his little.
His finger up and he's like.
Gets a eating grin because heknows he's one comes back.
Love this job.
Like, it's.
It is a great ending to your point.
(40:59):
All right, well, there it is.
Draft Day.
What a fun sleeper movie.
I highly recommend it.
If you haven't seen it, gowatch it once.
See what you think.
Because obviously it to get.
I'm shocked.
I love that Alec enjoyed itbecause I thought Alex was good.
That's shocking.
We're gonna fight later.
Don't worry.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
(41:20):
That's fair.
We'll fight down the road andyou'll break my heart.
But this one made up for it alittle bit.
So tell everybody where theycan find us, Alec.
Happy to.
This is week two of our KevinCostner sports films kicking off.
March strong so far.
A couple great films.
Special thanks and shout outto our patrons, Rich and CB for selecting
the movies within this topic.
(41:41):
Got a great lineup coming for you.
Guys the remainder of the month.
But yeah, what you guys thinkof drafting?
Do you guys agree with us?
Are you big sports fans likeJJ and Matson and really get into
it for the that experience?
Are you more like me and justkind of tuned in to go see a great
movie?
Let us know in the comments below.
And with that, I'll kick itback to our very own fearless leader,
the King of Crash, TheMaharaja of Mash.
(42:04):
J.J.
yeah.
Thanks, Alec.
Sweet.
That was fun.
Good times.
Looking forward to the next few.
We got some interesting moviescoming up.
Should be some interestingdiscussions, but as always, we appreciate
you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the next one.
Wait.
Hasta la vista, baby.
Cinematic la.
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