February 17, 2025 • 56 mins
Mattson, Alec and JJ delve into the cinematic showdown between the canine-centric films "K9" and "Turner and Hooch," both released in 1989. The primary focus of our discussion revolves around the nuanced performances of the titular dogs and the emotional resonance inherent in their respective narratives. We explore the overtly comical antics of Jerry Lee in "K9," contrasted with the heartfelt journey of Turner and Hooch as they navigate the complexities of human-animal relationships. Our dialogue is enriched by personal anecdotes and a critical examination of comedic elements, leading us to assess the films' merits and shortcomings in terms of humor, action, and emotional depth. Ultimately, we arrive at a consensus on the enduring appeal of these films, each contributing uniquely to the landscape of canine cinema.
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No, yeah, obviously, like, ifI look over and I see my dog licking
their ass, I'm not like,immediately like, hey, when you're
done over there, come on over.
You like, it's not like, Imean, I let her cool off a little
bit, but.
(00:23):
Welcome to the what's up?
Every podcast we fashionourselves cinematic judge and jury.
My name is J.J.
crowder.
I'm here with my co host Matzenheimer.
Better Red than Dead, and Alec Burgess.
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Wow, my brain just stopped.
What's the word I'm looking for?
What kind of episode is this?
Arbitration.
Arbitration series.
(01:27):
There you go.
Me?
Man.
It just was like, nope, you're done.
Go away.
Watched it fly out of my brain.
Fly away.
Yeah, we're doing ArbitrationWeek 3.
So this week, here's whatwe're doing.
Plug your ears if you don'tlike loud music.
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Yeah, so we're watching.
We're doing K9 versus Turnerand Hooch.
1989 twin films.
The first one, Canine, wasreleased April 28, 1989.
It was written by StevenSiegel and Scott Myers.
It was directed by Rod Daniel.
Stars Jim Belushi, Mel Harris,Kevin Tig, Ed O'Neill, the dog rando,
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James Handy and Daniel Davis.
It is about to stop an elusive criminal.
A maverick detective enliststhe aid of a police dog who's an
unusually intelligent smart alec.
That's an interestingsynopsis, but that one will be going
up against Turner and Hooch,which is released July 28, 1989.
It's was written by DennisShirak, Michael Blodgett and Daniel
(02:36):
Petri Jr.
It's directed by Roger Spottiswood.
It stars Tom Hanks, MayorWinningham, Craig T.
Nelson, Reginald Vel Johnson,Scott Pollen.
Where's the dog at anyway?
Don't have him.
Yeah, David Nell, KevinScando, and a very young Eldon Hansen.
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And so we will jump into thismovie that's about a detective that
must adopt a rambunctious dogin order to help him find a killer.
So this was my pick.
This pick was easy for me.
Like, I was really excited todo it because these are two of my
favorite, like, movies as akid, like, when I was young, like
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I was 7 years old when thesemovies came out.
And I've always been a hugedog lover.
And so for me, these were hilarious.
They were heartwarming, theywere funny, they were entertaining.
And, you know, it's just.
I was, like, really excitedwhen we decided to do the arbitration
series again.
I was like, this one's been onmy list to add to it since we started
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doing these five years ago.
So, yeah, I was really excited.
I watched both of them intheater when I was a kid.
My mom and dad took me.
We had a lot of fun.
Yeah, I have a lot to talkabout with these two, but because
they were like, staples of my childhood.
But, yeah, good times.
I was 8 years old when thesecame out.
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What'd you guys think?
Here's the question.
Turner and Hooch is usuallythe bigger one because it's got Tom
Hanks in it, obviously.
And I know Matt said you hadseen it because we talked about this
before, but I.
You hadn't seen canine, right?
Had.
I'd seen Turner and Hooch onlylike two to one or two years ago
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because of Tay.
She loves Turner and Hooch.
I mean, Tay's a huge dog lover.
I love my dog Ko with all my heart.
Mr.
Him, Bubba, Kins, Chubbuckins, Mr.
Ham, Hubbies, Dabra, Wubber, Bubbers.
I could go on.
He's.
He's all kinds of things.
He's not here right now.
Otherw have, he's gettinggroomed right now.
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So, I mean, I love you guys.
Those that listen to us, AKAI'm the man of the people.
So you should know this.
I love Tom Hanks and Tom Hanksand a dog.
It's a pretty great combination.
Like, it's not.
Not a.
Not much to dislike there.
Never had seen K9 and I havetold JJ on numerous occasions when
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we're playing video games.
This is.
I mean, I'm so happy.
I'm so happy.
So happy to have had watchedthat movie.
As we'll talk about, don'tthink it's the greatest acted movie,
but oh, man, it's funny.
And I was just tickled pink tobe able to have watched it.
I love it.
Alec, had you seen either ofthese movies?
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I mean, I was negative fourwhen these movies came out, and negative
four, like the first time Isaw them both was Carry the one Tuesday.
Tuesday.
Yeah, I'VE never seen eitherone of these movies before.
I wondered.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, not even close.
Never was this anywhere near.
(05:50):
Movies to go watch.
Love it.
So, I mean, thank you, I guess.
You're welcome.
Movies to watch.
I appreciate it.
Some sarcasm in your voicethere, my friend.
(06:10):
No, I liked them there.
They were good.
They were good.
They were funny.
There's not necessarily awhole lot of bad about either one.
I will say, though, somethinglike was that I had a problem with
Problem.
We'll say problem was with K9.
The fact that they.
I don't know if they added allthe dog sounds in or if the dog was
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just making sounds the entiretime, but having the dog act like
it's conversing back and forthwith Jim Bellus Sushi.
I was like, I've owned a lotof dogs.
Very vocal dogs as well.
And not a single one is that vocal.
All right.
And that's just where we needto stop listening to your opinion.
Because that's one of myfavorite things about the movies.
Because they dehumanize theout of that dog.
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And oh, he's so dumb.
I loved it.
I love.
Because if you didn't likethat, then you hated the hospital
scene when the dog's alive andis clearly listening to my man.
What's the main character'sname in canine?
Man of the people.
Yeah, whatever his name is.
When he's just going off and apologizing.
(07:16):
Yeah, dually.
And saying how sad he is.
And when the dog, like, looksat him and then goes back, like,
looks at him and then goeslike, like.
Because it's supposed hethinks he's dead, but the dog's very
much alive.
I love those sounds becausethat endeared me to that dog so dang
much.
Jerry Lee had my heart fromthe beginning.
So we're going to get intowhat we'll get into our topics.
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And that's why people listento me and not you.
Nobody listens to you.
I love it when you two get going.
Shit's great.
Enough is enough with the dog.
Like, have it a little bit.
But every sing, dude, the doghad half the dialogue in this dude.
I will say this like, you're right.
(07:59):
Most dogs aren't going tocommunicate that way.
But I have Daisy, my littlehound dog that just laid down behind
me a few minutes ago.
She and I getting full onconversations now.
I don't know what the she'ssaying, but I sure know she's boss.
She's just as bossy as Casey.
So, like, it is like she'lltell me, she'll sit down and we'll
have a full out conversation.
(08:20):
It's quite funny, but.
Yeah, but it's not constant.
Well, sure, if you're gonna.
Are you gonna.
If you're gonna start ratingthese movies off of that one.
These movies would never existlike this in these.
They're not realistic.
Like, come on.
Jeez, Alex.
She.
She heard you talk us talkingabout her.
(08:41):
So now.
Yeah, she felt some type of way.
Yeah, no, I.
Look, yeah, it's not.
It's every day of our co hosts.
How many of us own dogs?
I own three.
Yeah.
Who doesn't own a dog?
Little old man Alec over there.
Shut your trap hole.
We love those.
No, we love those noises whenthat dog talking every time I felt
(09:05):
like.
My point is they're notconstant and it drove me nuts.
It's fair.
She and I communicate on adaily basis, but not all day long.
Have you ever yelled at yourdog because they're making too much
noise?
Matson?
Sure.
Actually him.
Barbara.
Yes, exactly.
I haven't.
That dude.
That dude does not mean if they.
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Go and they go and they go andthey go.
And most dogs aren't vocal allthe time.
They'll have their momentswhen they want to communicate something
to you.
And they have moments whereit's endearing and it's fun.
Yeah, but Jerry Lee's notsitting there barking at the door
for 30 seconds.
He's going like when Dooleysays something smart.
And Jerry's like.
I was like, dang.
That's so freaking funny.
(09:53):
So great.
You know what, Jay?
You can just minimize Alex.
There you go.
Rectangle.
And just mute him all tiny.
I will say German shepherdstend to be very more vocal than most.
Huskies are the most vocal, inmy opinion, which I've had two of
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the silent.
Most silent huskies on the planet.
My.
My hound dog's more talkativethan my husky right now, which is
odd.
But I love watching YouTubevideos with the huskies that just
start screaming.
Or there's one that wherethey're like, okay, it's time to
go.
And he's like, literally no.
And like he's a.
And then turns away andeverybody starts laughing.
(10:34):
Like I love.
Which I think is why thismovie, like those.
Those videos on YouTube, ticktock, wherever you're watching them
get some of like, they getbillion, millions of hits.
And that's why canine and evenTurner and Hertz to a certain degree
are so popular.
Like, when people watch them,you can't help but come away.
And I don't care how DebbieDowner you are.
(10:55):
Like you, there's moments thatyou cannot help but smile at both
movies.
And so, yeah, I.
I agree with both of you.
It's one of the most endearing parts.
But.
All right, let's get intothis, because Alex's gonna piss me
out.
Let's get.
Let's get to these.
I'm ready for these topics.
What topics you got for us?
All right.
All right.
(11:15):
Well, you know, we're gonnastart off real strong here, because
Alex being a freaking weasel.
Let's start off with top.
We'll give you all five topics.
Yeah, yeah.
And then we'll get into them.
Dog character and performance.
Human dog relationship comedyand situational humor.
Action and adventure elements,Emotional resonance and heartwarming
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moments.
So far of our versus movies,these topics are banging.
Like, how do we get this deepof topics with these two movies?
I'm getting better at myprompts, and I should have done that
for the others, but it was alot easier for me to be like, I know
what I want out of.
I specifically said.
Because it gave me the boringtopics before.
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And I was like, no, can wegive me at least one where I want
to rate dog versus dog?
And then Chatgpt got smarterwas like, oh, I think he wants more
of these things.
I'm learning the work with AIInstead of fighting it like Alec
is.
Anyways, so we digress.
Let's start with, you know,and we're going to give the floor
to Alec so we get his opinionout of the way.
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Dog character and performance.
Who did it?
Canine.
The dog was way better incanine because this thing was a genius
dog.
True.
It's true.
There's.
There's no comparison in dog performance.
The dog at canine, Rando orwhatever his name was.
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Yeah.
Way better, hands down.
Was it Rando?
No, Jerry Lee.
Yeah.
Jerry Lee's the dog.
The actual.
Actual dog named Rando.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you're lookingat two different types of performances,
though, aren't you?
Because Hooch, like, that'swhat I'm taking into the account.
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Like, Hooch is playing morelike my Mr.
Him, Bubba, and Dubricans.
Like, he's definitely more ofa Hooch than he is a Jerry Lee.
Like, I and Jay having three dogs.
He's got three very, verydifferent dogs in three very different
dog parks.
He's where he's probably gothis one that's close to Jerry Lee,
and we'll let you say who that is.
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And then he's probably got hisHooch and my dog Koa is.
He's.
He's not naughty like Hooch,but he's definitely on the dumber
side, like, just to say that.
And I appreciated bothperformances, but, man, I, I.
In terms of the endearment andthe dog that played the role that
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they were asked to playbetter, I mean, I got to give it
the canine.
Canine just.
He was a scene stealer for me,just because.
And I think the other reasonbeing is because the acting in canine,
like, from a humanperspective, was subpar at best at
times.
Where in Turner and Hooch,like, young Tom Hanks isn't always
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my favorite, but he's a farbetter actor than anyone in canine.
Like, by, like a countrybible, for instance.
And so I think without Jerry.
Whatever the real dog's nameis, again, Jerry Lee and K9 and what
they did to humanize it, Ireally think this movie would have
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just sucked completely.
Where, like, Turner and Hooch,I think it had a lot more going for
it.
And the dog was more of acomplimentary piece there.
Where in K9, like, withoutJerry Lee and that dog acting like,
I just don't think the moviewould have done anything for me.
Yeah, I think.
I agree.
I think Jerry Lee, K9, is thebetter dog performance.
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You're not wrong.
I have a Jerry Lee and I havea Hooch.
And Daisy, my little hounddog, is all Hooch.
I cannot tell you.
For example, there's been acouple mornings.
So she.
She's a chewer, as most ofthem are.
And we.
But the difference is, is shehas an immense amount of toys.
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Like, it's disgusting how manytoys the dogs have.
We have over 100 toys in thishouse alone.
And he has another 50 in her office.
Dude, I'm telling you, like,toys everywhere.
But guess what I wake up to?
I have a bookshelf that sitsright here next to me, okay?
And the door will be open orwhatever, and she'll come in and
out and move around.
And I wake up to, oh, she hasa million toys.
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They're all laying in thefloor in this room.
You know, it's all chewed up.
My books from my books shelf.
Like, she'll pull that.
She loves books.
So now I've had to rearrangeand move my.
Because that's what she does.
But I also have Jerry Lee, andthat's Zoe, my husky.
That dog is just too smart,too manipulative.
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Like, she'll use her sisters.
She's like, she wants to be.
I can't even say the wordbecause they'll lose their minds.
But I.
They want to be outconstantly, her and the baby.
Right.
Sasha's old enough.
She doesn't.
She's like, whatever.
I don't just lay around and be lazy.
But Zoe wants to always beout, and so does Daisy.
Well, Zoe will literally,she'll come and ask.
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Like, she'll sit in front ofme and huff at me, and she'll want
to go out, and then I'll sayno, and then she'll go and trigger
Daisy, who's my hooch.
So Zoe doesn't want to be abad dog.
So she does a lot of what,like Jerry Lee, where, like, if you
say something, she'll be likeand, like, hide or whatever.
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Daisy doesn't give a.
So what Zoe will do is go getDaisy worked up.
Daisy then will come in frontof me and start yakking at me like
Jerry Lee.
But, like, she'll knit, she'llyip, and she'll moan and groan and
whine and boss, we call it.
She's doing her bossy.
So she'll sit in front of me,and it's so annoying that I have
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to get up and let her outbecause she won't quit no matter
what.
So I bark back at her andwhine bad at earlier.
But, yeah, I love.
So, yes, canine has by far the better.
But I have a problem because Ilove that droopy face dog.
Like, I love the hound dog.
Like, Mastiff, which Hooch isa French mastiff or a dog Du Bordeaux
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is what they actually theiractual name, but French Mastiff.
I love that floppy jowl look.
And so from a perspective of,like, seeing Hooch, Like, I just
love looking at Hooch.
Like, I'd love to just grab ahold of Hooch's cheeks.
And that dog's name's Beasley,by the way, in that movie.
Yeah.
So I give it to K9 in that onefrom the dog performance, but it's
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a close one.
I love Hooch.
All right, now let's jump intothe human dog relationship Alex started.
We'll go, J.J.
oh, man, this one's tough.
And I think it relates.
If I were to look at it fromthe relationship of what the dog
performance, then I would giveit to canine, but I'm giving this
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one to Turner and Hooch.
And I think that's because, tome, that one plays more realistically
the relationship between themthan canine does.
K9 is always over the top.
That movie, like, it wasgeared to just be in your face, over
the top, make you Laugh, havea good time, find it cute.
Whereas Turner Hooch does tryto find some realistic places where,
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even though it has some comedic.
So I think that relationshipbetween the two of them.
One of my favorite moments ofboth of these movies is when they're
walking through the house andhe's like, given the rules, there's
the rules.
No barking, no sniffing crotches.
This is not your room.
But he's showing him, nodrooling, no chewing.
This is not your room.
And then he.
So he's like, I love that moment.
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And I think it's partlybecause I've never had that conversation,
Right?
But I've had conversationswith my dog or dogs that, like, in
my head, I'm like, I am aridiculous human being right now
because they don't understanda word I'm saying.
But I'm still having this conversation.
And so I really like thatrelationship between Tom Hanks's
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character between Turner andHooch, because it feels more real
to me.
Whereas with Canine and JerryLee and Dooley, like, it's played
to be in a movie.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's over the top, it'ssilly, it's weird, it's goofy.
And while I love it, I leanmore towards Tuner and Hooch, their
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relationship, because it feelsmore real to me than played.
So.
But both are just entertainingas hell and fun and cute, and I like
them.
I like.
Go for it.
I'm gonna agree with JJ TurnedHooch is a better portrayed relationship,
I think, between dog and Human.
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You have almost like the Turner.
Turner Hooch could be a moviewhere there is no Hooch, and it still
plays out pretty much the same.
And so Hooch is thatsupporting kind of character that
you have this relationship.
The same thing you would withany side character.
Canine rando Jerry Lee is themain character.
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And so it's a little bittricky because now you have Jim Belushi
playing almost the Hooch roll.
That makes any sense.
And Jerry Lee's Scott Turner.
And so it just.
It's a little bit weird.
But at the same time, I mean, I.
It kind of works for Canine, sorta.
But, yeah, I'm gonna give itTurner and Hooch.
(20:55):
Look, if you had asked me thisat the very beginning of starting
K9, I mean, it would have beenan easy turn on Hooch.
Like, I love Tom Hanks, like,kind of.
No question.
But I hearing both you talkabout it, I think the way it's split
out makes a lot of sense to me.
If you're looking for What arealistic human to dog relationship
would look like, especially inthe way that it's introduced in Turner
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and Hooch.
For someone that's not reallya dog person doesn't really care
and actually grows to lovethat dog.
In time, it's probably goingto be Turner and Hooch just because
of the way they portray.
Like, the.
Jay talked about the sceneabout, don't do that, don't do that,
to do that.
And the dog breaks all that.
You get pissed, but you gothrough it.
Canine is more over the top, ahundred percent.
It's played up.
(21:38):
It's.
It's certainly less realistic.
But man, like, I just love it.
Like, I just think it's so great.
I love the ridiculousness of it.
Like a dog in a hospital.
He forces his way like, you'regonna fix his dog.
You're gonna.
You're gonna help.
He's like, no, they wouldn't,but they do.
And.
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Hard to turn my boy Hanks.
But I'm gonna give it the canine.
Like, I just love themonologue that Jim Bellucci gets
in this movie.
Just.
Just ration Jerry Lee, like,the rash of her broke his mirror.
He pooped in his closet.
He smells like.
And he just goes after him.
And I remember texting JJ Ididn't like the acting in K9, especially
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the opening scene where he'sin the other car and then his car
gets shot up and he's like sodeadpan about it.
I was like, dude, like, youbasically just died.
Like, you should have died.
Like, let's have some more inflection.
Like, it's.
But then I really feel likethe chemistry between him and the
dog developed a lot wherethose monologues, we just rip it
into him.
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I was like, this actuallyworks and works quite well when he's
like, they're going at it.
He's just not so good whenhe's having to do it with other human
beings so much.
I just really like their chemistry.
I thought it was great.
And not that Turner and Hooch wasn't.
But I just think the over thetop nature, like.
Like, you guys always get onme for not laughing.
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Like, man.
And as we'll get to the nexttopic, like, canine just had me going.
And I think it's just becauseI could.
I could think of a lot ofdifferent dogs and you just would
love to see.
So you're always like, whatwould my dog say?
What would my dog do?
And we don't really want to know.
Because if they were talking,especially Jay's situation, the Three
dogs.
He would be going crazy.
(23:21):
I'm sure he's thought about,like, man, it'd be kind of cool.
Like, what if they talk to memore canine?
Really got that going for me.
Yeah.
I will say some of thedialogue, like, I love the moment
where they.
They have the warehouse, I think.
I don't know.
And he's like, man, you reallylost it in there.
We could have been killed.
He's like, I needed you, like,that caught, like, where he's.
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I will give you that.
I do love, like, the actualnormal conversations that they have.
But again, it goes back toAlex point of Jerry Lee being, like,
really the lead character,because he's, like, ripping him,
but he, like, hides.
Then he looks up, like, sohe's got his own personality.
So freaking cute.
Oh, dude, it's.
It's adorable, and I love it.
(24:02):
But, yeah, no, I.
It's.
I.
I hear what you're saying, for sure.
All right, so number three,comedy and situational humor.
I just.
I'm just gonna.
Again, actually, I don't knowif I can say.
Can I say the r word on YouTube?
Like, Rando, that's fine.
Than a word to say.
I mean, look, say it.
(24:22):
The worst thing they're gonna do.
We're not monetized.
So, yeah, just.
Yeah, the.
The line when Dooley's tellinghis girlfriend Tracy about, like,
the.
The dog and, like, hisbehavior and his intelligence, and
she's like, he doesn't seemvery smart.
Then he responds, he's not retarded.
He's just shy, dude.
I mean, Tay and I always die.
(24:44):
Like, I've quoted thatmultiple times since I've seen the
movie.
It just makes me laugh.
So funny.
I was like.
Because, you know, I mean,when you own dogs, like, like, my.
My Mr.
Him Bubba kins.
He.
Bless his heart, he's a well demeanored.
One of the.
I mean, everyone says how wellbehaved he is.
He's a service dog.
(25:04):
He goes to Tay's work.
He's.
He gets professional pets.
He takes on people's emotions.
Very emotionally intelligent,but, man, he is not a smart guy.
Like, if he just.
There's not a lot going on upstairs.
And that line, I think, justhit me to the core.
And I was like, yep.
I mean, I might be saying thesame thing about my dog.
(25:27):
That line right there, dude,that freaking killed me.
And I think that's just a further.
If you zoom out from that.
As we talked about themonologues, like, the monologues
just with Dooley, Jerry Lee,like, they just make me laugh, dude.
And the mannerisms of the dog,Jerry Lee, just the humanizing of
it.
Like, you knew when he put himin the car in the.
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The bar scene, or maybe it wasthe different scene, but he tied
him to the.
The.
The little rear view mirror,the side view mirror, you knew it
was coming off.
You're like, dude, you.
You need.
You need to know your dog.
And he comes up in the countryclub and he's there.
You're like, oh, he did that.
Or when he chews him out afterthe bar scene, as Jay talked about.
Or that was a warehouse sceneat the bar scene, when he saves his
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life, basically, and he'spissed off, but he's also, like,
really thankful.
There's just so many.
I just love all those interactions.
It makes me.
Makes me laugh.
Or the hospital scene, as I'vetalked about.
Like, I love all of it.
But then there's the TurnerHoot side of it.
I think it's funnier becauseof Tom Hanks, and I think he does
a good job making those scenesmemorable in reacting to what the
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dog has done.
But it's more about Hanks thanit is about the dog.
And to an extent, both arereally funny.
But no, man, like, the humorin canine.
It got me.
Like, it.
I was.
There's multiple points.
I mean, I.
I really laughed during that movie.
But that, that line, he's notretarded, he's just shy.
It just kills me.
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It just.
It's so funny.
I want to go back and watchthat scene today because I just died.
Yeah.
No, it's.
It's funny.
This one's tough for mebecause I laugh equally at both of
these movies, I think.
I think to your point, whatyou were talking about there at the
ms, and it's.
The dynamic is a littledifferent and why I'm laughing is
a little different.
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And I think canine.
I'm laughing because thecomedy's well written and the conversations
between the two are well written.
And so I giggle, like, andthen there's.
There's lines where it playsoff the dog that have nothing to
do with the dog, really.
Like, we're.
He's like, do you have asearch warrant?
He's like, the dog ate it.
You can hang out by his tailif you want.
Like, that kind of dialogue.
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And then the one you'retalking about, like, that involves
Jerry Lee and whatnot.
Like, it makes me laugh andit's endearing.
I will say this about Jim Belushi.
He's only famous because hisbrother was Hilarious.
And so it's like.
And in my opinion, he's not agreat actor, but for some reason,
his over the topridiculousness works really well
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in this movie.
It did.
And so I.
I do laugh a lot.
I think with Turner and Hooch.
I laugh because it's sorelatable to me.
And to your point, you're not wrong.
Like, Tom Hanks is funny.
And the.
In his reactions to Hooch are funny.
Like, one of the greatestscenes in that movie to me when it
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comes to comedy is when he.
He thinks he's smart and heputs him outside and the dog's losing
his the whole time.
And the neighbor startsyelling like, get him a Valium.
In fact, you take one too.
Do you want your car towed?
I'm a cop.
Like, and then the dog runs inand locks him out.
Like, hilarious.
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But it's Tom Hanks that makeshim funny.
Re.
You know, reacting to Hoochand even the rules thing.
Or when he comes home and thedog has just destroyed the house
and he's holding up the brokenrecord and dripping slobber off of
everything.
His reactions are great.
I'm gonna give the comedy.
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Oh, I'm gonna give the Comedyto K9 because it's designed to be
in your face funny and like,just laugh out loud.
But it's.
That's a really hard one forme to choose.
I'm only choosing because Ihear Alec in my head.
Pick a side.
But, like, like, that's what I can't.
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I want to say Turner and Hoochbecause I think I laugh harder at
Turner and Hooch, but I laughmore at canine.
Like, more laughs.
Just Turner, Hooch.
I laugh harder because of therelatability for it.
To me, jj, he's not retarded.
He's just shy.
Dog ate it.
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Freaking love it.
Internet Hooch.
For me, it's the.
The car scene.
You're eating the car.
Oh, yeah.
Like that.
That part.
That part gets me.
But again, it's because of Tom Hanks.
The reactions are great, but Iknow it's Alex turn.
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna give itTurner and Hooch.
I like the way they set up the film.
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So in the first 30 seconds,right after you've seen the.
The title image or whatever,they let you know how much of a clean
freak Tom Hanks is withoutsaying it.
Yeah.
Steam pressing his pants, he'swiping everything down.
Everything's got its place.
And Hooch is one of thosedroopy face dogs that just slobber.
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Yep.
And so you Know exactly wherethis is going, and it doesn't disappoint.
So then you get theserelatable moments where, like, the
outside scene, he gets locked out.
Hilarious.
But even before that, when hefirst goes to, like, say bye to Amos,
and he's got the muffin, andhe's just trying.
He's doing that thing where.
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Take the muffin, Hooch.
Take the muffin.
Hooch, Hooch.
And you know what's coming.
You can see coming from a mile away.
And it's.
It's the comedy from canine.
I laughed, but at a certainpoint, I got worn out with the whole.
The dog is responding to everysingle thing that said to it.
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And I.
It wore me out to the pointwhere, like, near the middle.
Middle end of the movie, I waslike, I don't care anymore.
Like, shut up.
And so I'm giving it Turner huge.
It's fair.
It was a tough choice for me.
It was.
It was.
Yeah.
All right.
Action and adventure elements.
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Who's up?
Is it me to go first?
Now you can.
Let's do it.
All right.
I think it's canine, if youthink about.
I think there's more scenes.
You got more scenes of tension.
You've got the warehouse,you've got the bar.
I mean, you had.
The movie started with themain character almost dying, getting
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shot up.
There's the.
I mean, the.
The main shootout at the.
At the end, the protagonistgetting right.
Did I say there isprotagonist, the bad guy?
I always confuse that.
Or is that the attack?
Yeah, antagonist getting shot up.
I just think there's morescenes of.
Of action, intention in canineto an extent.
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I know there's definitely somein Turner and Hooch, but I think
it's portrayed in more of asatirical nature.
And canine definitely leansinto more of the serious nature a
little bit.
I don't mind either of them.
They're not the reasons I'mwatching the movie.
Like, even rating which onehad more did it better?
Like, it's not the reason Iwould go back and watch either of
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these things, but I think it'sa little bit more of canine story.
I.
I appreciate the.
The antagonist and canine alittle bit more than I do in Turner
and Hooch.
For me, personally, I reallylike the scene of Dually going into
that dinner and just doing histhing with the intact.
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And I like their scenes ofcoming at each other.
So for that, I mean, I.
For me, I think it's canine.
Go ahead, Alec.
It's tricky because, like, Imean, it's canine, but something
that I hated about both.
And this is a total 80s, like,90s trope is the bad guys always
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ex Special Forces.
Why.
Why is this the case?
But it's, it's.
It's almost like Turner andHooch is straight comedy with a little
bit of added drama thrown in.
And canine is like both inequal parts in a way.
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And so there's far more actionor adventure coming out of canine
to the point where you havethose serious moments, I'll say.
Or a little bit more dramafilled, a little bit more, you know,
there's actual consequences onthe line.
Whereas Turner and Hooch, itplays like it's the.
The first 90s movie, eventhough it came out in 89.
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Right.
Right at the point where it'sthe, oh, big shocker, the small town
police chief is the bad guy.
You know, like, oh, thank youvery much type of a thing.
So, I mean, it goes to canine.
An adventure.
Yeah, I agree.
I think as much as I want itto be a tough Choice, it's not K9
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for action.
And I think kind of whatyou're hinting there toward Alec,
is the same as what I'm thinking.
Like K9 to me, is a buddy copmovie just with a dog instead of.
That's not a bad way.
I mean, and, and, and so it'sdesigned to be action filled and
the comedy around, like, it'slike, what am I trying to.
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Which movie am I?
It's like Bad Boys with a cop,with a dog.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's designed to havethis action and how they react with
each other in between theaction scenes.
And so by nature, I think itwas designed to win.
Whereas Turner and Hooch ismore of like a character development
of this cop that like you saywe see right out the gate, that he's
OCD as hell and wants his lifea certain way.
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And this dog comes in andcompletely changes it, right down
to the fact that he meets thisvet who he falls for.
And so it's more of acharacter development type story
that involves this dog and hasa couple action scenes, whereas canine
is just.
Let's play this to the.
The Nines about.
We're gonna have explosionsand gunfights and.
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Explosions.
Explosions, yeah.
So when you're gonna get allthose cool things.
So, yeah, for me, canineaction adventure takes it for sure.
All right, Alec, bring us homewith emotional resonance and heartwarming
moments.
Can't say.
Neither can I.
I was gonna.
I was gonna say the coldblooded Alec over here.
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Emotional moments.
I don't know.
You know what?
I think I'll just give it toTurner and Hooch, because I think
it went 2K9, 1 Turner and huge.
So let's even it up.
Go.
No reason why, except for twosies.
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There was.
There was actually fivetopics, so you.
Could have done that, but,well, two and a half.
We'll split right down the road.
They both.
All right, jj, some of that ona dog.
Let's.
Let's talk, man.
This one's tough because Ithink they both have some really
good emotional moments.
And especially from.
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And again, I'm speaking from aperspective of a dog owner.
Like, my dogs are my kids.
Like, I.
I love my dogs.
And so I think both have somereally strong moments.
I think I'm gonna let Turnerand Hooch edges this one out for
me again, because I think fortwo reasons.
One, the relationship feels alittle more realistic to me because.
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And.
And some of that comes from.
Because of how over the topactiony K9 is.
Like, there is a certain level of.
Of suspension of disbeliefthat you have to have that these
two survive some of this stuffand that this dog is disciplined
enough to run into theseexplosions and gunfights and state.
And I know, look, canine copsare bitching and cool, and they're
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awesome dogs, but they'restill dogs and animals.
With Turner and Hooch, Ithink, again, that relationships
is.
Is much more realistic to mefrom a human and dog.
And then the second piece is.
And spoilers.
If you haven't seen these andyou're listening to us, don't.
I'm about to spoil the ending.
Like, the fact that you havethat emotional weight at the end.
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Like, I love that Jerry Lee lives.
And that moment is hilarious.
Like, where he's.
Where Dooley's pouring hisheart out to him and he opens his
eyes.
Did you just open your eye?
Like, sitting here, pouring my heart.
Great scene.
Very emotional.
You're planning on it, butwith Turner and Hooch, the fact that
Hooch doesn't come out of thisright, like.
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And that's heartbreaking, andit's difficult, especially based
on the relationship that they built.
And so, for me, I like.
As much as I hate it, I alsolike it because, again, it has that
weight and that emotional drawof having to now deal with the fact
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that this dog has.
Has saved Turner's life, butpaid the ultimate price for it, right?
And they.
Then they soften it up byhaving the puppy come in and being
an absolute terror and beingjust like Hooch again.
But I like that so I'm gonnagive it to Turner, Turner and Hooch
on this one.
That emotional just hasdifferent beats, and to me, much
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more weighty beats on both sides.
Yeah, I think if you wouldhave asked me at the beginning, I
would have given it easily toTurner and Hooch.
It still does win out.
I think the movie was designedto be more heartwarming and have
that emotional connection.
I think, like Jay said, beinga dog owner and it has more that
authentic feel.
That being said, if when I hadstarted canine, I would have just
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said it's more over the topand fun.
But when you get towards theend of it, the reason that scene
in the hospital is so funnywith the monologue and Jerry Lee,
like, peeking out, not peekingout, is because you've come to love,
like, the relationship betweenthe two.
And you're like, oh, yeah,he's just razzing him again, like,
on death's doorstep, and he'sstill just poking one at Dooley.
And.
Well, that's also.
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While it's funny, it's alsolike, you see the progression of
the, like, warmth and theconnection between the two, just
like in Turner and Hooch.
But I think I came toappreciating K9, and in Turner and
Hooch, I think it was always there.
And for that reason, I.
I think Turner Hooch wins outon that.
Yeah, I will say that.
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K9, like, one.
One of my favorite things iswhen a dog does put the paws over
their snap thing.
Because, like, my dogs do itall the time.
Especially the one sittingbehind me right here, Zoe.
She'll.
She'd lay down and put herpaws over top, and it's the cutest
thing.
And canine, I think started medown that.
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Because Jerry Lee does that sooften when he's hiding or when he's.
So.
Yeah, anyway, I.
Yeah, both these movies arejust so freaking nostalgic for me.
But, yeah, all right, Jay,they're your movies, so rate them.
Okay.
God, this is so hard for me.
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I'm gonna give canine a fourand a half, and I'm gonna give Turner
and Hooch a five.
You see Ali's face?
Yeah, I know.
That's.
That's because Alec, in thissituation, five, though.
These.
That's a five to me, it's a five.
Look, and I.
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There's a level of nostalgiathat goes with that for me, but,
like, five I could watch justlike with the others.
And normally I call Matson theheartless bastard in this podcast,
but because he's a redheaded.
But Alex, like, really Hurtingmy soul right now with the anger
level that he's got for this,the disdain I see in his eyes.
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No, look, Turner and Hooch tome, like, I could watch it any day.
Like, it's heartwarming.
It crushes my soul.
But I have this just absolutelove of that relationship.
And to me, like, Tom Hanks and.
And this just is funny.
It's heartwarming.
Like, I can relate to therelationship that these two have
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outside.
Like, in any situation, takeaway the police and the investigation
and all that weird stuff.
Just this absolute hilariousrelationship that they have.
That, to me, is realisticbecause no matter how pissed at first,
it's.
He has to have this dog here.
But then by the end, it's justlike, man, he can't, like, live without
a stock.
And he's adapted his life tohis dogs.
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And I can relate to that on somany levels.
Like, I adapt my life.
We.
Casey and I adapt our lives toour dogs.
There are kids.
They're our family.
That's just how it is, I think.
The difference between me and.
As much as I love the moviefrom canine.
And it's funny, and I'mentertained by it.
There's.
It is a movie, and it feelslike a movie, and it feels fake,
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and I can't quite relate, eventhough there's a lot of things I
can relate to.
The unrealistic nature of theback and forth between Jerry Lee
and Dooley and then just thewild action scenes.
Like, it takes away from whatI love, which is the interaction
between the two of them.
That's the funny part and the.
The great parts.
So for me, it's one of thosethings where it's just like, let
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me just watch these two.
This dog and these humans hang out.
So.
Yeah.
But to me, Turner Hooch, like,it's one of my favorite movies of
all time.
Love it.
It's great.
It's funny.
It's cute.
It's got a great ale.
We're gonna.
We're gonna put you as the.
The white center of an Oreojust to.
We'll get through yours quick,because I.
I think they'll be fast.
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Oh, yeah, they will.
Canine gets a two.
And that two comes from thefact that this is one of the best
trained dogs, I think, thathas ever been on screen or just in
general.
This dog is brilliant.
Yeah.
Like, that's amazing.
With the amount of commandsthis dog has to recognize to do what
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he was able to do.
Insane.
The movie's trash.
But the dog was so good.
And Turner and Hooch is alittle bit better of a movie.
It's a three.
Heartless, soulless bastard.
All right.
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I mean, I have to be behonest, I'm quite shocked that Jay
gave Turner and Hooch a fiveand K nine a four and a half.
Like, I think I.
I'm a little perplexed by yourratings in conjuncture of, like,
what we give fives in this podcast.
Like, I.
Yeah, I'm going to give Caninea three and a half.
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I'm going to give Turner andHooch a three.
They're both.
I'm extremely entertained.
But I'm not here to say, like,when I.
As a man of the people, let mejust, like, lay this out again.
When I give a five, it's a five.
Like, let's not, let's not getit twisted here.
Neither of these movies areclose to a 5.
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But is canine entertaining.
And I'm happy to have watchedit, and I will now.
I have liked it so much, I'mprobably going to rewatch it again
in a few weeks.
I don't do that.
Like, I'm blown away.
I told Jay, I'm so happy.
If nothing else, this monthhas given me a new movie that I will
probably watch at least, like,once a year or something.
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Like, so thankful for that.
Turner and Hooch.
Like, I don't have a strongconnection to it.
Like, I like Tom Hanks, butcanine, I definitely do now.
Like, that movie struck achord with me, and I'm just so grateful
to have experienced it.
I just gave 0.5 more to Kane.
I just.
It made me laugh, dude.
Like, I.
I know I'll laugh again.
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I.
It's quotable.
It.
It's cute.
I love that dog.
And I love the monologue with Dooley.
I don't dislike Turner and Hooch.
I just think it's.
It's not as funny.
And for what I want, if I'mgonna watch these movies, I like
the over the top a little bit more.
I.
If I want heartwarming, Ithink I'll.
I don't know, I'll turn tosomething else.
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But I just.
Dude, give me more Jerry Lee.
But a five for Turner andHooch and a four and a half for Canaan.
Like, that just feels a little broken.
Jay.
Hey, look, man, I am usuallyvery objective.
Are you?
Usually?
You.
I.
I mean, usually.
But your credibility might bea little trash now.
I mean, we already, we alreadyknow that you got problems with comedy,
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so.
Like, your credibility is the worst.
You're the worst.
Look, I'm You.
I try very hard to beobjective, but I will freely admit
that my object.
Objectivity is out the windowwith these two movies.
This one is pure 8 year old JJ.
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I mean, you do really.
You love.
I love my dog.
But I know if we had a lovemeter of dogs, you would be higher
than me.
Oh, yeah, we've had this conversation.
I think I thoroughly offendedyou because I told you I'd try to
save my dogs before I tried tosave you in a fire, but.
You got offended by that.
That's an easy answer.
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I mean, save truth.
It holds true for you too, Alex.
Sorry.
I'm picking my dog.
Oh.
But 100.
I try to save Jay first, but Ithink I told him that it would be
a little difficult.
I would say.
Jj, I appreciate that.
So, yeah, no, I mean this.
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I am completely unadulterated.
Undeniably.
All right.
It makes me feel a little bit better.
I'm surprised that you wentthat high.
Yeah, no, because I.
And it's purely from anentertainment perspective for me.
Like, I could watch either ofthese movies anytime because I.
They to me, make me feel real good.
Like, I just like these moviesa lot.
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Like, and I.
I really want a Frenchfreaking mastiff.
I'll never own one, but I want one.
Every time I see kids that much.
Slobber, it's too much.
Ah, yeah, the slobber's alittle rough.
And they're that look.
Because they're really smart.
Like, that's.
I.
I would never own a Germanshepherd either.
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I would love to, but they're.
They're super smart.
My house isn't entertainingenough for a German shepherd.
That's the problem.
We like to lays around andhang out.
It's hard enough keeping myhusky entertained.
But the problem with yeah, mastiffs.
One, I love a big dog, butthat's a big ass dog.
This movie doesn't do any justice.
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Yeah.
I met him in person.
I was blown away.
I was like, yeah, no, not siton my lap.
He passed that stage manymoons ago, my friend.
Their heads are like as big asboth of all my dogs right now.
But like, yeah, mastiffs are huge.
But I love all that droopyface, slobbery.
Like, I just want to just.
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You make out with your dogs, Jay?
No, I don't make out with my dogs.
I do let my dogs give mekisses on the face, but I don't.
Make out on, like, willingly.
Lots of kisses.
Like, on the mouth area, noton the mouth.
Like, I'm not like, I'm notlike, if they go to kiss my mouth,
they get away with it.
And I'm like, stop it.
But, like, cheeks, forehead, face.
Yeah, I let that happen allday long.
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Except for my old one right now.
Her breath is really, really,really, really bad.
Like, because she's old.
How.
Basically give me kisses.
Because I give him kisses allthe time.
But if.
If I have seen him recentlylick his.
His butt region, then I'mlike, you know what?
We're gonna wait a little bit.
We're gonna push that away fora second.
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Yeah, no, yeah, obviously,like, if I look over and I see my
dog licking their ass, I'm notlike, immediately like, hey, when
you're done over there, comeon over.
You know, like, it's not like,yeah, I mean, I let her cool off
a little bit, but.
I'm so happy to have done that.
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This has been one of my favorites.
That is a great episode in along time.
All I can think about now,Jay, is, I want to watch canine with
you very high.
That sounds like a good time.
It would be a great timebecause I laugh my ass off.
We'll have to do it.
I would.
Dude, I'd get tickled pinkduring that scene where he says he's
shy, that I.
I'd be on the ground.
I might be.
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Oh, dude.
Yeah, I'd laugh a lot.
Easy.
Good stuff.
Oh, my gosh.
Such a funny.
I love.
Yeah.
There's so many quotes in bothof these movies that are just great.
But anyway, I love the rules.
In turn, hoots, this is notyour room.
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This is not your room.
This is your room.
And then he butt head, buttshis way out of it.
Oh, so good.
Oh, the last thing I wanted tosay is the.
The lovemaking scene withJerry Lee.
That part makes me gigglebecause we've never had.
Never experienced a dogpointing in the bed as you're trying
to do the dirty.
But, like, sometimes they'rein there and, like, you make eye
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contact, you're like, no,gotta stop.
Gotta pause.
You gotta eat.
We just.
You gotta.
You gotta be out.
Like, I don't.
One, don't need that pressure.
Two, I don't want to be seeingyou right now.
Like, no, that.
That scene makes me laugh.
I should not tell this story,but I'm going to anyway.
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When Casey and I used to livein South Weber, we had a townhouse.
And at the time we owned twodogs, not three.
We had a little beagle,miniature beagle, Claire, who was
Casey's first dog.
Just sweet little dog, littletiny thing and then we had.
Yeah, miss her.
And then we had Maya, who wasa husky.
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And Maya, when.
When adult activities weretaking place in our house, Maya left
like she didn't want anything.
She was.
But Claire had this unnaturalattachment to Casey.
Like, would try to fight my55, 60 pound husky.
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When Maya would come up to tryto say hi to Claire, Casey, Claire
would lose her.
Like, she was that jealousabout Casey.
So happy adult time in ourhouse was very awkward with clothes
Claire, because she would getvery jealous of me spending time
with Casey.
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And so there was a happy time happening.
One time we used to have aChase Lounge.
Chase lounge.
That was really big and nice.
And we were on the Chase Lounge.
And the next thing I know,like, what the.
I got a slobbery beagle kisson my left ass cheek.
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Ruined the mood just like that.
So from then on, bully sticks.
We had to.
For like six years, Casey andI had to plan adult time because.
Or we had to buy a bunch ofbully sticks.
We had bully sticks in adrawer in our house because it was
the only thing that keptClaire distracted.
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JJ walks in with the voice.
He's like, hey, baby, you have no.
Idea the running jokes in our house.
Because we would also, like,you know, spontaneously things would
happen.
And so we'd be in the midst oflike a hot, heavy makeout session,
knowing where things aregoing, and then it's like, pause.
And we'd have to run and get abully stick because otherwise.
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So it was a constant joke inour house.
That's great.
But yeah, no, I had my asscheek licked in the middle of the
deed.
Stop the deed real quick.
I promise.
I never thought anything wouldstop the deed.
But that did.
Mood was ruined.
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And of course, Casey justlaughed because that's her style.
She just will still make ajoke about that nowadays.
But anyway, probably shouldn'thave told that story for Arthur 5
listeners.
But you know.
All right, Alec, telleverybody where they can find us
when they're not hearing aboutmy unfortunate stories.
I was gonna say this used tobe a reputable podcast, but this
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episode has really turned left.
So that's week three ofarbitration month.
And today, you know, today'sepisode is all about showdowns between
dog's best friend.
So it really comes down towhich you like better.
Go ahead and leave us acomment if you agree with our verdict.
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I think it was Turner andHooch for me and JJ and K9 for Matson.
So let's see if Matson'sreally a man of the people.
Put down in the comments ifit's Turner and Hooch or canine special.
Thanks.
People don't know what isright, and I have to say.
Okay, well, then you're notreally a man of the people people
then.
So.
Last time I checked, thepeople like to see things in color
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if they could willingly vote.
Do you want to see black andwhite or color?
They're gonna pick color every time.
Okay, whatever you say, Matson.
I just.
I just love Alex Tonethroughout this whole freaking.
Because he's just like, we'retalking about dog.
Yeah, Alex has been.
I don't think I've ever seenhim more annoyed about two movies
than what we've done.
Right.
It's been a rough hour.
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Anyway, thanks to our patrons,CB and Rich for so no, you know,
screw both of you.
Thank you for supporting thepodcast of being patrons.
Patreon's place to find us at.
What's our verdict?
Reviews.
So you can join in and pickall the dog movies you want, everybody.
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Anyways, with that, let's kickit back to the Wazir of WAP, the
Maharaja of Mash a JJ.
Thanks, buddy.
Almost 400 episodes in in this one.
Ranks up.
There is a great one.
Poor, poor Will Al.
Don't want to do a movie.
Don't like the doggy.
Oh, I'm just channeling myinner Matson.
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Oh, boy, it's been a fun one.
What a good way to kick.
Well, week three, it's not akickoff or an ending.
We still.
We've had a couple before itand we got one later, so.
And I'm getting a hello frommy little husky here, so with that,
as always, we appreciate youtuning in.
We'll catch you on the nextbaby cinematic.
No, yeah, obviously, like, ifI look over and I see my dog licking
their ass, I'm not like,immediately like, hey, when you're
done over there, come on over.
You like, it's not like, Imean, I let her cool off a little
bit, but.
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Welcome to the what's up?
Every podcast we fashionourselves cinematic judge and jury.
My name is J.J.
crowder.
I'm here with my co host Matzenheimer.
Better Red than Dead, and Alec Burgess.
Let's get it.
Porky Pig on crack.
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We appreciate you tuning in.
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Minor laying around here somewhere.
But yeah, we're here in weekthree of our resurgence of our.
Wow, my brain just stopped.
What's the word I'm looking for?
What kind of episode is this?
Arbitration.
Arbitration series.
(01:27):
There you go.
Me?
Man.
It just was like, nope, you're done.
Go away.
Watched it fly out of my brain.
Fly away.
Yeah, we're doing ArbitrationWeek 3.
So this week, here's whatwe're doing.
Plug your ears if you don'tlike loud music.
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Yeah, so we're watching.
We're doing K9 versus Turnerand Hooch.
1989 twin films.
The first one, Canine, wasreleased April 28, 1989.
It was written by StevenSiegel and Scott Myers.
It was directed by Rod Daniel.
Stars Jim Belushi, Mel Harris,Kevin Tig, Ed O'Neill, the dog rando,
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James Handy and Daniel Davis.
It is about to stop an elusive criminal.
A maverick detective enliststhe aid of a police dog who's an
unusually intelligent smart alec.
That's an interestingsynopsis, but that one will be going
up against Turner and Hooch,which is released July 28, 1989.
It's was written by DennisShirak, Michael Blodgett and Daniel
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Petri Jr.
It's directed by Roger Spottiswood.
It stars Tom Hanks, MayorWinningham, Craig T.
Nelson, Reginald Vel Johnson,Scott Pollen.
Where's the dog at anyway?
Don't have him.
Yeah, David Nell, KevinScando, and a very young Eldon Hansen.
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And so we will jump into thismovie that's about a detective that
must adopt a rambunctious dogin order to help him find a killer.
So this was my pick.
This pick was easy for me.
Like, I was really excited todo it because these are two of my
favorite, like, movies as akid, like, when I was young, like
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I was 7 years old when thesemovies came out.
And I've always been a hugedog lover.
And so for me, these were hilarious.
They were heartwarming, theywere funny, they were entertaining.
And, you know, it's just.
I was, like, really excitedwhen we decided to do the arbitration
series again.
I was like, this one's been onmy list to add to it since we started
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doing these five years ago.
So, yeah, I was really excited.
I watched both of them intheater when I was a kid.
My mom and dad took me.
We had a lot of fun.
Yeah, I have a lot to talkabout with these two, but because
they were like, staples of my childhood.
But, yeah, good times.
I was 8 years old when thesecame out.
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What'd you guys think?
Here's the question.
Turner and Hooch is usuallythe bigger one because it's got Tom
Hanks in it, obviously.
And I know Matt said you hadseen it because we talked about this
before, but I.
You hadn't seen canine, right?
Had.
I'd seen Turner and Hooch onlylike two to one or two years ago
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because of Tay.
She loves Turner and Hooch.
I mean, Tay's a huge dog lover.
I love my dog Ko with all my heart.
Mr.
Him, Bubba, Kins, Chubbuckins, Mr.
Ham, Hubbies, Dabra, Wubber, Bubbers.
I could go on.
He's.
He's all kinds of things.
He's not here right now.
Otherw have, he's gettinggroomed right now.
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So, I mean, I love you guys.
Those that listen to us, AKAI'm the man of the people.
So you should know this.
I love Tom Hanks and Tom Hanksand a dog.
It's a pretty great combination.
Like, it's not.
Not a.
Not much to dislike there.
Never had seen K9 and I havetold JJ on numerous occasions when
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we're playing video games.
This is.
I mean, I'm so happy.
I'm so happy.
So happy to have had watchedthat movie.
As we'll talk about, don'tthink it's the greatest acted movie,
but oh, man, it's funny.
And I was just tickled pink tobe able to have watched it.
I love it.
Alec, had you seen either ofthese movies?
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I mean, I was negative fourwhen these movies came out, and negative
four, like the first time Isaw them both was Carry the one Tuesday.
Tuesday.
Yeah, I'VE never seen eitherone of these movies before.
I wondered.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, not even close.
Never was this anywhere near.
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Movies to go watch.
Love it.
So, I mean, thank you, I guess.
You're welcome.
Movies to watch.
I appreciate it.
Some sarcasm in your voicethere, my friend.
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No, I liked them there.
They were good.
They were good.
They were funny.
There's not necessarily awhole lot of bad about either one.
I will say, though, somethinglike was that I had a problem with
Problem.
We'll say problem was with K9.
The fact that they.
I don't know if they added allthe dog sounds in or if the dog was
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just making sounds the entiretime, but having the dog act like
it's conversing back and forthwith Jim Bellus Sushi.
I was like, I've owned a lotof dogs.
Very vocal dogs as well.
And not a single one is that vocal.
All right.
And that's just where we needto stop listening to your opinion.
Because that's one of myfavorite things about the movies.
Because they dehumanize theout of that dog.
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And oh, he's so dumb.
I loved it.
I love.
Because if you didn't likethat, then you hated the hospital
scene when the dog's alive andis clearly listening to my man.
What's the main character'sname in canine?
Man of the people.
Yeah, whatever his name is.
When he's just going off and apologizing.
(07:16):
Yeah, dually.
And saying how sad he is.
And when the dog, like, looksat him and then goes back, like,
looks at him and then goeslike, like.
Because it's supposed hethinks he's dead, but the dog's very
much alive.
I love those sounds becausethat endeared me to that dog so dang
much.
Jerry Lee had my heart fromthe beginning.
So we're going to get intowhat we'll get into our topics.
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And that's why people listento me and not you.
Nobody listens to you.
I love it when you two get going.
Shit's great.
Enough is enough with the dog.
Like, have it a little bit.
But every sing, dude, the doghad half the dialogue in this dude.
I will say this like, you're right.
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Most dogs aren't going tocommunicate that way.
But I have Daisy, my littlehound dog that just laid down behind
me a few minutes ago.
She and I getting full onconversations now.
I don't know what the she'ssaying, but I sure know she's boss.
She's just as bossy as Casey.
So, like, it is like she'lltell me, she'll sit down and we'll
have a full out conversation.
(08:20):
It's quite funny, but.
Yeah, but it's not constant.
Well, sure, if you're gonna.
Are you gonna.
If you're gonna start ratingthese movies off of that one.
These movies would never existlike this in these.
They're not realistic.
Like, come on.
Jeez, Alex.
She.
She heard you talk us talkingabout her.
(08:41):
So now.
Yeah, she felt some type of way.
Yeah, no, I.
Look, yeah, it's not.
It's every day of our co hosts.
How many of us own dogs?
I own three.
Yeah.
Who doesn't own a dog?
Little old man Alec over there.
Shut your trap hole.
We love those.
No, we love those noises whenthat dog talking every time I felt
(09:05):
like.
My point is they're notconstant and it drove me nuts.
It's fair.
She and I communicate on adaily basis, but not all day long.
Have you ever yelled at yourdog because they're making too much
noise?
Matson?
Sure.
Actually him.
Barbara.
Yes, exactly.
I haven't.
That dude.
That dude does not mean if they.
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Go and they go and they go andthey go.
And most dogs aren't vocal allthe time.
They'll have their momentswhen they want to communicate something
to you.
And they have moments whereit's endearing and it's fun.
Yeah, but Jerry Lee's notsitting there barking at the door
for 30 seconds.
He's going like when Dooleysays something smart.
And Jerry's like.
I was like, dang.
That's so freaking funny.
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So great.
You know what, Jay?
You can just minimize Alex.
There you go.
Rectangle.
And just mute him all tiny.
I will say German shepherdstend to be very more vocal than most.
Huskies are the most vocal, inmy opinion, which I've had two of
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the silent.
Most silent huskies on the planet.
My.
My hound dog's more talkativethan my husky right now, which is
odd.
But I love watching YouTubevideos with the huskies that just
start screaming.
Or there's one that wherethey're like, okay, it's time to
go.
And he's like, literally no.
And like he's a.
And then turns away andeverybody starts laughing.
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Like I love.
Which I think is why thismovie, like those.
Those videos on YouTube, ticktock, wherever you're watching them
get some of like, they getbillion, millions of hits.
And that's why canine and evenTurner and Hertz to a certain degree
are so popular.
Like, when people watch them,you can't help but come away.
And I don't care how DebbieDowner you are.
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Like you, there's moments thatyou cannot help but smile at both
movies.
And so, yeah, I.
I agree with both of you.
It's one of the most endearing parts.
But.
All right, let's get intothis, because Alex's gonna piss me
out.
Let's get.
Let's get to these.
I'm ready for these topics.
What topics you got for us?
All right.
All right.
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Well, you know, we're gonnastart off real strong here, because
Alex being a freaking weasel.
Let's start off with top.
We'll give you all five topics.
Yeah, yeah.
And then we'll get into them.
Dog character and performance.
Human dog relationship comedyand situational humor.
Action and adventure elements,Emotional resonance and heartwarming
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moments.
So far of our versus movies,these topics are banging.
Like, how do we get this deepof topics with these two movies?
I'm getting better at myprompts, and I should have done that
for the others, but it was alot easier for me to be like, I know
what I want out of.
I specifically said.
Because it gave me the boringtopics before.
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And I was like, no, can wegive me at least one where I want
to rate dog versus dog?
And then Chatgpt got smarterwas like, oh, I think he wants more
of these things.
I'm learning the work with AIInstead of fighting it like Alec
is.
Anyways, so we digress.
Let's start with, you know,and we're going to give the floor
to Alec so we get his opinionout of the way.
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Dog character and performance.
Who did it?
Canine.
The dog was way better incanine because this thing was a genius
dog.
True.
It's true.
There's.
There's no comparison in dog performance.
The dog at canine, Rando orwhatever his name was.
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Yeah.
Way better, hands down.
Was it Rando?
No, Jerry Lee.
Yeah.
Jerry Lee's the dog.
The actual.
Actual dog named Rando.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you're lookingat two different types of performances,
though, aren't you?
Because Hooch, like, that'swhat I'm taking into the account.
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Like, Hooch is playing morelike my Mr.
Him, Bubba, and Dubricans.
Like, he's definitely more ofa Hooch than he is a Jerry Lee.
Like, I and Jay having three dogs.
He's got three very, verydifferent dogs in three very different
dog parks.
He's where he's probably gothis one that's close to Jerry Lee,
and we'll let you say who that is.
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And then he's probably got hisHooch and my dog Koa is.
He's.
He's not naughty like Hooch,but he's definitely on the dumber
side, like, just to say that.
And I appreciated bothperformances, but, man, I, I.
In terms of the endearment andthe dog that played the role that
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they were asked to playbetter, I mean, I got to give it
the canine.
Canine just.
He was a scene stealer for me,just because.
And I think the other reasonbeing is because the acting in canine,
like, from a humanperspective, was subpar at best at
times.
Where in Turner and Hooch,like, young Tom Hanks isn't always
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my favorite, but he's a farbetter actor than anyone in canine.
Like, by, like a countrybible, for instance.
And so I think without Jerry.
Whatever the real dog's nameis, again, Jerry Lee and K9 and what
they did to humanize it, Ireally think this movie would have
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just sucked completely.
Where, like, Turner and Hooch,I think it had a lot more going for
it.
And the dog was more of acomplimentary piece there.
Where in K9, like, withoutJerry Lee and that dog acting like,
I just don't think the moviewould have done anything for me.
Yeah, I think.
I agree.
I think Jerry Lee, K9, is thebetter dog performance.
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You're not wrong.
I have a Jerry Lee and I havea Hooch.
And Daisy, my little hounddog, is all Hooch.
I cannot tell you.
For example, there's been acouple mornings.
So she.
She's a chewer, as most ofthem are.
And we.
But the difference is, is shehas an immense amount of toys.
(15:20):
Like, it's disgusting how manytoys the dogs have.
We have over 100 toys in thishouse alone.
And he has another 50 in her office.
Dude, I'm telling you, like,toys everywhere.
But guess what I wake up to?
I have a bookshelf that sitsright here next to me, okay?
And the door will be open orwhatever, and she'll come in and
out and move around.
And I wake up to, oh, she hasa million toys.
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They're all laying in thefloor in this room.
You know, it's all chewed up.
My books from my books shelf.
Like, she'll pull that.
She loves books.
So now I've had to rearrangeand move my.
Because that's what she does.
But I also have Jerry Lee, andthat's Zoe, my husky.
That dog is just too smart,too manipulative.
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Like, she'll use her sisters.
She's like, she wants to be.
I can't even say the wordbecause they'll lose their minds.
But I.
They want to be outconstantly, her and the baby.
Right.
Sasha's old enough.
She doesn't.
She's like, whatever.
I don't just lay around and be lazy.
But Zoe wants to always beout, and so does Daisy.
Well, Zoe will literally,she'll come and ask.
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Like, she'll sit in front ofme and huff at me, and she'll want
to go out, and then I'll sayno, and then she'll go and trigger
Daisy, who's my hooch.
So Zoe doesn't want to be abad dog.
So she does a lot of what,like Jerry Lee, where, like, if you
say something, she'll be likeand, like, hide or whatever.
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Daisy doesn't give a.
So what Zoe will do is go getDaisy worked up.
Daisy then will come in frontof me and start yakking at me like
Jerry Lee.
But, like, she'll knit, she'llyip, and she'll moan and groan and
whine and boss, we call it.
She's doing her bossy.
So she'll sit in front of me,and it's so annoying that I have
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to get up and let her outbecause she won't quit no matter
what.
So I bark back at her andwhine bad at earlier.
But, yeah, I love.
So, yes, canine has by far the better.
But I have a problem because Ilove that droopy face dog.
Like, I love the hound dog.
Like, Mastiff, which Hooch isa French mastiff or a dog Du Bordeaux
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is what they actually theiractual name, but French Mastiff.
I love that floppy jowl look.
And so from a perspective of,like, seeing Hooch, Like, I just
love looking at Hooch.
Like, I'd love to just grab ahold of Hooch's cheeks.
And that dog's name's Beasley,by the way, in that movie.
Yeah.
So I give it to K9 in that onefrom the dog performance, but it's
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a close one.
I love Hooch.
All right, now let's jump intothe human dog relationship Alex started.
We'll go, J.J.
oh, man, this one's tough.
And I think it relates.
If I were to look at it fromthe relationship of what the dog
performance, then I would giveit to canine, but I'm giving this
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one to Turner and Hooch.
And I think that's because, tome, that one plays more realistically
the relationship between themthan canine does.
K9 is always over the top.
That movie, like, it wasgeared to just be in your face, over
the top, make you Laugh, havea good time, find it cute.
Whereas Turner Hooch does tryto find some realistic places where,
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even though it has some comedic.
So I think that relationshipbetween the two of them.
One of my favorite moments ofboth of these movies is when they're
walking through the house andhe's like, given the rules, there's
the rules.
No barking, no sniffing crotches.
This is not your room.
But he's showing him, nodrooling, no chewing.
This is not your room.
And then he.
So he's like, I love that moment.
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And I think it's partlybecause I've never had that conversation,
Right?
But I've had conversationswith my dog or dogs that, like, in
my head, I'm like, I am aridiculous human being right now
because they don't understanda word I'm saying.
But I'm still having this conversation.
And so I really like thatrelationship between Tom Hanks's
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character between Turner andHooch, because it feels more real
to me.
Whereas with Canine and JerryLee and Dooley, like, it's played
to be in a movie.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's over the top, it'ssilly, it's weird, it's goofy.
And while I love it, I leanmore towards Tuner and Hooch, their
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relationship, because it feelsmore real to me than played.
So.
But both are just entertainingas hell and fun and cute, and I like
them.
I like.
Go for it.
I'm gonna agree with JJ TurnedHooch is a better portrayed relationship,
I think, between dog and Human.
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You have almost like the Turner.
Turner Hooch could be a moviewhere there is no Hooch, and it still
plays out pretty much the same.
And so Hooch is thatsupporting kind of character that
you have this relationship.
The same thing you would withany side character.
Canine rando Jerry Lee is themain character.
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And so it's a little bittricky because now you have Jim Belushi
playing almost the Hooch roll.
That makes any sense.
And Jerry Lee's Scott Turner.
And so it just.
It's a little bit weird.
But at the same time, I mean, I.
It kind of works for Canine, sorta.
But, yeah, I'm gonna give itTurner and Hooch.
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Look, if you had asked me thisat the very beginning of starting
K9, I mean, it would have beenan easy turn on Hooch.
Like, I love Tom Hanks, like,kind of.
No question.
But I hearing both you talkabout it, I think the way it's split
out makes a lot of sense to me.
If you're looking for What arealistic human to dog relationship
would look like, especially inthe way that it's introduced in Turner
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and Hooch.
For someone that's not reallya dog person doesn't really care
and actually grows to lovethat dog.
In time, it's probably goingto be Turner and Hooch just because
of the way they portray.
Like, the.
Jay talked about the sceneabout, don't do that, don't do that,
to do that.
And the dog breaks all that.
You get pissed, but you gothrough it.
Canine is more over the top, ahundred percent.
It's played up.
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It's.
It's certainly less realistic.
But man, like, I just love it.
Like, I just think it's so great.
I love the ridiculousness of it.
Like a dog in a hospital.
He forces his way like, you'regonna fix his dog.
You're gonna.
You're gonna help.
He's like, no, they wouldn't,but they do.
And.
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Hard to turn my boy Hanks.
But I'm gonna give it the canine.
Like, I just love themonologue that Jim Bellucci gets
in this movie.
Just.
Just ration Jerry Lee, like,the rash of her broke his mirror.
He pooped in his closet.
He smells like.
And he just goes after him.
And I remember texting JJ Ididn't like the acting in K9, especially
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the opening scene where he'sin the other car and then his car
gets shot up and he's like sodeadpan about it.
I was like, dude, like, youbasically just died.
Like, you should have died.
Like, let's have some more inflection.
Like, it's.
But then I really feel likethe chemistry between him and the
dog developed a lot wherethose monologues, we just rip it
into him.
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I was like, this actuallyworks and works quite well when he's
like, they're going at it.
He's just not so good whenhe's having to do it with other human
beings so much.
I just really like their chemistry.
I thought it was great.
And not that Turner and Hooch wasn't.
But I just think the over thetop nature, like.
Like, you guys always get onme for not laughing.
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Like, man.
And as we'll get to the nexttopic, like, canine just had me going.
And I think it's just becauseI could.
I could think of a lot ofdifferent dogs and you just would
love to see.
So you're always like, whatwould my dog say?
What would my dog do?
And we don't really want to know.
Because if they were talking,especially Jay's situation, the Three
dogs.
He would be going crazy.
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I'm sure he's thought about,like, man, it'd be kind of cool.
Like, what if they talk to memore canine?
Really got that going for me.
Yeah.
I will say some of thedialogue, like, I love the moment
where they.
They have the warehouse, I think.
I don't know.
And he's like, man, you reallylost it in there.
We could have been killed.
He's like, I needed you, like,that caught, like, where he's.
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I will give you that.
I do love, like, the actualnormal conversations that they have.
But again, it goes back toAlex point of Jerry Lee being, like,
really the lead character,because he's, like, ripping him,
but he, like, hides.
Then he looks up, like, sohe's got his own personality.
So freaking cute.
Oh, dude, it's.
It's adorable, and I love it.
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But, yeah, no, I.
It's.
I.
I hear what you're saying, for sure.
All right, so number three,comedy and situational humor.
I just.
I'm just gonna.
Again, actually, I don't knowif I can say.
Can I say the r word on YouTube?
Like, Rando, that's fine.
Than a word to say.
I mean, look, say it.
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The worst thing they're gonna do.
We're not monetized.
So, yeah, just.
Yeah, the.
The line when Dooley's tellinghis girlfriend Tracy about, like,
the.
The dog and, like, hisbehavior and his intelligence, and
she's like, he doesn't seemvery smart.
Then he responds, he's not retarded.
He's just shy, dude.
I mean, Tay and I always die.
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Like, I've quoted thatmultiple times since I've seen the
movie.
It just makes me laugh.
So funny.
I was like.
Because, you know, I mean,when you own dogs, like, like, my.
My Mr.
Him Bubba kins.
He.
Bless his heart, he's a well demeanored.
One of the.
I mean, everyone says how wellbehaved he is.
He's a service dog.
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He goes to Tay's work.
He's.
He gets professional pets.
He takes on people's emotions.
Very emotionally intelligent,but, man, he is not a smart guy.
Like, if he just.
There's not a lot going on upstairs.
And that line, I think, justhit me to the core.
And I was like, yep.
I mean, I might be saying thesame thing about my dog.
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That line right there, dude,that freaking killed me.
And I think that's just a further.
If you zoom out from that.
As we talked about themonologues, like, the monologues
just with Dooley, Jerry Lee,like, they just make me laugh, dude.
And the mannerisms of the dog,Jerry Lee, just the humanizing of
it.
Like, you knew when he put himin the car in the.
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The bar scene, or maybe it wasthe different scene, but he tied
him to the.
The.
The little rear view mirror,the side view mirror, you knew it
was coming off.
You're like, dude, you.
You need.
You need to know your dog.
And he comes up in the countryclub and he's there.
You're like, oh, he did that.
Or when he chews him out afterthe bar scene, as Jay talked about.
Or that was a warehouse sceneat the bar scene, when he saves his
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life, basically, and he'spissed off, but he's also, like,
really thankful.
There's just so many.
I just love all those interactions.
It makes me.
Makes me laugh.
Or the hospital scene, as I'vetalked about.
Like, I love all of it.
But then there's the TurnerHoot side of it.
I think it's funnier becauseof Tom Hanks, and I think he does
a good job making those scenesmemorable in reacting to what the
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dog has done.
But it's more about Hanks thanit is about the dog.
And to an extent, both arereally funny.
But no, man, like, the humorin canine.
It got me.
Like, it.
I was.
There's multiple points.
I mean, I.
I really laughed during that movie.
But that, that line, he's notretarded, he's just shy.
It just kills me.
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It just.
It's so funny.
I want to go back and watchthat scene today because I just died.
Yeah.
No, it's.
It's funny.
This one's tough for mebecause I laugh equally at both of
these movies, I think.
I think to your point, whatyou were talking about there at the
ms, and it's.
The dynamic is a littledifferent and why I'm laughing is
a little different.
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And I think canine.
I'm laughing because thecomedy's well written and the conversations
between the two are well written.
And so I giggle, like, andthen there's.
There's lines where it playsoff the dog that have nothing to
do with the dog, really.
Like, we're.
He's like, do you have asearch warrant?
He's like, the dog ate it.
You can hang out by his tailif you want.
Like, that kind of dialogue.
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And then the one you'retalking about, like, that involves
Jerry Lee and whatnot.
Like, it makes me laugh andit's endearing.
I will say this about Jim Belushi.
He's only famous because hisbrother was Hilarious.
And so it's like.
And in my opinion, he's not agreat actor, but for some reason,
his over the topridiculousness works really well
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in this movie.
It did.
And so I.
I do laugh a lot.
I think with Turner and Hooch.
I laugh because it's sorelatable to me.
And to your point, you're not wrong.
Like, Tom Hanks is funny.
And the.
In his reactions to Hooch are funny.
Like, one of the greatestscenes in that movie to me when it
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comes to comedy is when he.
He thinks he's smart and heputs him outside and the dog's losing
his the whole time.
And the neighbor startsyelling like, get him a Valium.
In fact, you take one too.
Do you want your car towed?
I'm a cop.
Like, and then the dog runs inand locks him out.
Like, hilarious.
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But it's Tom Hanks that makeshim funny.
Re.
You know, reacting to Hoochand even the rules thing.
Or when he comes home and thedog has just destroyed the house
and he's holding up the brokenrecord and dripping slobber off of
everything.
His reactions are great.
I'm gonna give the comedy.
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Oh, I'm gonna give the Comedyto K9 because it's designed to be
in your face funny and like,just laugh out loud.
But it's.
That's a really hard one forme to choose.
I'm only choosing because Ihear Alec in my head.
Pick a side.
But, like, like, that's what I can't.
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I want to say Turner and Hoochbecause I think I laugh harder at
Turner and Hooch, but I laughmore at canine.
Like, more laughs.
Just Turner, Hooch.
I laugh harder because of therelatability for it.
To me, jj, he's not retarded.
He's just shy.
Dog ate it.
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Freaking love it.
Internet Hooch.
For me, it's the.
The car scene.
You're eating the car.
Oh, yeah.
Like that.
That part.
That part gets me.
But again, it's because of Tom Hanks.
The reactions are great, but Iknow it's Alex turn.
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna give itTurner and Hooch.
I like the way they set up the film.
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So in the first 30 seconds,right after you've seen the.
The title image or whatever,they let you know how much of a clean
freak Tom Hanks is withoutsaying it.
Yeah.
Steam pressing his pants, he'swiping everything down.
Everything's got its place.
And Hooch is one of thosedroopy face dogs that just slobber.
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Yep.
And so you Know exactly wherethis is going, and it doesn't disappoint.
So then you get theserelatable moments where, like, the
outside scene, he gets locked out.
Hilarious.
But even before that, when hefirst goes to, like, say bye to Amos,
and he's got the muffin, andhe's just trying.
He's doing that thing where.
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Take the muffin, Hooch.
Take the muffin.
Hooch, Hooch.
And you know what's coming.
You can see coming from a mile away.
And it's.
It's the comedy from canine.
I laughed, but at a certainpoint, I got worn out with the whole.
The dog is responding to everysingle thing that said to it.
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And I.
It wore me out to the pointwhere, like, near the middle.
Middle end of the movie, I waslike, I don't care anymore.
Like, shut up.
And so I'm giving it Turner huge.
It's fair.
It was a tough choice for me.
It was.
It was.
Yeah.
All right.
Action and adventure elements.
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Who's up?
Is it me to go first?
Now you can.
Let's do it.
All right.
I think it's canine, if youthink about.
I think there's more scenes.
You got more scenes of tension.
You've got the warehouse,you've got the bar.
I mean, you had.
The movie started with themain character almost dying, getting
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shot up.
There's the.
I mean, the.
The main shootout at the.
At the end, the protagonistgetting right.
Did I say there isprotagonist, the bad guy?
I always confuse that.
Or is that the attack?
Yeah, antagonist getting shot up.
I just think there's morescenes of.
Of action, intention in canineto an extent.
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I know there's definitely somein Turner and Hooch, but I think
it's portrayed in more of asatirical nature.
And canine definitely leansinto more of the serious nature a
little bit.
I don't mind either of them.
They're not the reasons I'mwatching the movie.
Like, even rating which onehad more did it better?
Like, it's not the reason Iwould go back and watch either of
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these things, but I think it'sa little bit more of canine story.
I.
I appreciate the.
The antagonist and canine alittle bit more than I do in Turner
and Hooch.
For me, personally, I reallylike the scene of Dually going into
that dinner and just doing histhing with the intact.
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And I like their scenes ofcoming at each other.
So for that, I mean, I.
For me, I think it's canine.
Go ahead, Alec.
It's tricky because, like, Imean, it's canine, but something
that I hated about both.
And this is a total 80s, like,90s trope is the bad guys always
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ex Special Forces.
Why.
Why is this the case?
But it's, it's.
It's almost like Turner andHooch is straight comedy with a little
bit of added drama thrown in.
And canine is like both inequal parts in a way.
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And so there's far more actionor adventure coming out of canine
to the point where you havethose serious moments, I'll say.
Or a little bit more dramafilled, a little bit more, you know,
there's actual consequences onthe line.
Whereas Turner and Hooch, itplays like it's the.
The first 90s movie, eventhough it came out in 89.
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Right.
Right at the point where it'sthe, oh, big shocker, the small town
police chief is the bad guy.
You know, like, oh, thank youvery much type of a thing.
So, I mean, it goes to canine.
An adventure.
Yeah, I agree.
I think as much as I want itto be a tough Choice, it's not K9
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for action.
And I think kind of whatyou're hinting there toward Alec,
is the same as what I'm thinking.
Like K9 to me, is a buddy copmovie just with a dog instead of.
That's not a bad way.
I mean, and, and, and so it'sdesigned to be action filled and
the comedy around, like, it'slike, what am I trying to.
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Which movie am I?
It's like Bad Boys with a cop,with a dog.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's designed to havethis action and how they react with
each other in between theaction scenes.
And so by nature, I think itwas designed to win.
Whereas Turner and Hooch ismore of like a character development
of this cop that like you saywe see right out the gate, that he's
OCD as hell and wants his lifea certain way.
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And this dog comes in andcompletely changes it, right down
to the fact that he meets thisvet who he falls for.
And so it's more of acharacter development type story
that involves this dog and hasa couple action scenes, whereas canine
is just.
Let's play this to the.
The Nines about.
We're gonna have explosionsand gunfights and.
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Explosions.
Explosions, yeah.
So when you're gonna get allthose cool things.
So, yeah, for me, canineaction adventure takes it for sure.
All right, Alec, bring us homewith emotional resonance and heartwarming
moments.
Can't say.
Neither can I.
I was gonna.
I was gonna say the coldblooded Alec over here.
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Emotional moments.
I don't know.
You know what?
I think I'll just give it toTurner and Hooch, because I think
it went 2K9, 1 Turner and huge.
So let's even it up.
Go.
No reason why, except for twosies.
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There was.
There was actually fivetopics, so you.
Could have done that, but,well, two and a half.
We'll split right down the road.
They both.
All right, jj, some of that ona dog.
Let's.
Let's talk, man.
This one's tough because Ithink they both have some really
good emotional moments.
And especially from.
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And again, I'm speaking from aperspective of a dog owner.
Like, my dogs are my kids.
Like, I.
I love my dogs.
And so I think both have somereally strong moments.
I think I'm gonna let Turnerand Hooch edges this one out for
me again, because I think fortwo reasons.
One, the relationship feels alittle more realistic to me because.
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And.
And some of that comes from.
Because of how over the topactiony K9 is.
Like, there is a certain level of.
Of suspension of disbeliefthat you have to have that these
two survive some of this stuffand that this dog is disciplined
enough to run into theseexplosions and gunfights and state.
And I know, look, canine copsare bitching and cool, and they're
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awesome dogs, but they'restill dogs and animals.
With Turner and Hooch, Ithink, again, that relationships
is.
Is much more realistic to mefrom a human and dog.
And then the second piece is.
And spoilers.
If you haven't seen these andyou're listening to us, don't.
I'm about to spoil the ending.
Like, the fact that you havethat emotional weight at the end.
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Like, I love that Jerry Lee lives.
And that moment is hilarious.
Like, where he's.
Where Dooley's pouring hisheart out to him and he opens his
eyes.
Did you just open your eye?
Like, sitting here, pouring my heart.
Great scene.
Very emotional.
You're planning on it, butwith Turner and Hooch, the fact that
Hooch doesn't come out of thisright, like.
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And that's heartbreaking, andit's difficult, especially based
on the relationship that they built.
And so, for me, I like.
As much as I hate it, I alsolike it because, again, it has that
weight and that emotional drawof having to now deal with the fact
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that this dog has.
Has saved Turner's life, butpaid the ultimate price for it, right?
And they.
Then they soften it up byhaving the puppy come in and being
an absolute terror and beingjust like Hooch again.
But I like that so I'm gonnagive it to Turner, Turner and Hooch
on this one.
That emotional just hasdifferent beats, and to me, much
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more weighty beats on both sides.
Yeah, I think if you wouldhave asked me at the beginning, I
would have given it easily toTurner and Hooch.
It still does win out.
I think the movie was designedto be more heartwarming and have
that emotional connection.
I think, like Jay said, beinga dog owner and it has more that
authentic feel.
That being said, if when I hadstarted canine, I would have just
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said it's more over the topand fun.
But when you get towards theend of it, the reason that scene
in the hospital is so funnywith the monologue and Jerry Lee,
like, peeking out, not peekingout, is because you've come to love,
like, the relationship betweenthe two.
And you're like, oh, yeah,he's just razzing him again, like,
on death's doorstep, and he'sstill just poking one at Dooley.
And.
Well, that's also.
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While it's funny, it's alsolike, you see the progression of
the, like, warmth and theconnection between the two, just
like in Turner and Hooch.
But I think I came toappreciating K9, and in Turner and
Hooch, I think it was always there.
And for that reason, I.
I think Turner Hooch wins outon that.
Yeah, I will say that.
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K9, like, one.
One of my favorite things iswhen a dog does put the paws over
their snap thing.
Because, like, my dogs do itall the time.
Especially the one sittingbehind me right here, Zoe.
She'll.
She'd lay down and put herpaws over top, and it's the cutest
thing.
And canine, I think started medown that.
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Because Jerry Lee does that sooften when he's hiding or when he's.
So.
Yeah, anyway, I.
Yeah, both these movies arejust so freaking nostalgic for me.
But, yeah, all right, Jay,they're your movies, so rate them.
Okay.
God, this is so hard for me.
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I'm gonna give canine a fourand a half, and I'm gonna give Turner
and Hooch a five.
You see Ali's face?
Yeah, I know.
That's.
That's because Alec, in thissituation, five, though.
These.
That's a five to me, it's a five.
Look, and I.
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There's a level of nostalgiathat goes with that for me, but,
like, five I could watch justlike with the others.
And normally I call Matson theheartless bastard in this podcast,
but because he's a redheaded.
But Alex, like, really Hurtingmy soul right now with the anger
level that he's got for this,the disdain I see in his eyes.
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No, look, Turner and Hooch tome, like, I could watch it any day.
Like, it's heartwarming.
It crushes my soul.
But I have this just absolutelove of that relationship.
And to me, like, Tom Hanks and.
And this just is funny.
It's heartwarming.
Like, I can relate to therelationship that these two have
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outside.
Like, in any situation, takeaway the police and the investigation
and all that weird stuff.
Just this absolute hilariousrelationship that they have.
That, to me, is realisticbecause no matter how pissed at first,
it's.
He has to have this dog here.
But then by the end, it's justlike, man, he can't, like, live without
a stock.
And he's adapted his life tohis dogs.
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And I can relate to that on somany levels.
Like, I adapt my life.
We.
Casey and I adapt our lives toour dogs.
There are kids.
They're our family.
That's just how it is, I think.
The difference between me and.
As much as I love the moviefrom canine.
And it's funny, and I'mentertained by it.
There's.
It is a movie, and it feelslike a movie, and it feels fake,
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and I can't quite relate, eventhough there's a lot of things I
can relate to.
The unrealistic nature of theback and forth between Jerry Lee
and Dooley and then just thewild action scenes.
Like, it takes away from whatI love, which is the interaction
between the two of them.
That's the funny part and the.
The great parts.
So for me, it's one of thosethings where it's just like, let
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me just watch these two.
This dog and these humans hang out.
So.
Yeah.
But to me, Turner Hooch, like,it's one of my favorite movies of
all time.
Love it.
It's great.
It's funny.
It's cute.
It's got a great ale.
We're gonna.
We're gonna put you as the.
The white center of an Oreojust to.
We'll get through yours quick,because I.
I think they'll be fast.
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Oh, yeah, they will.
Canine gets a two.
And that two comes from thefact that this is one of the best
trained dogs, I think, thathas ever been on screen or just in
general.
This dog is brilliant.
Yeah.
Like, that's amazing.
With the amount of commandsthis dog has to recognize to do what
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he was able to do.
Insane.
The movie's trash.
But the dog was so good.
And Turner and Hooch is alittle bit better of a movie.
It's a three.
Heartless, soulless bastard.
All right.
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I mean, I have to be behonest, I'm quite shocked that Jay
gave Turner and Hooch a fiveand K nine a four and a half.
Like, I think I.
I'm a little perplexed by yourratings in conjuncture of, like,
what we give fives in this podcast.
Like, I.
Yeah, I'm going to give Caninea three and a half.
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I'm going to give Turner andHooch a three.
They're both.
I'm extremely entertained.
But I'm not here to say, like,when I.
As a man of the people, let mejust, like, lay this out again.
When I give a five, it's a five.
Like, let's not, let's not getit twisted here.
Neither of these movies areclose to a 5.
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But is canine entertaining.
And I'm happy to have watchedit, and I will now.
I have liked it so much, I'mprobably going to rewatch it again
in a few weeks.
I don't do that.
Like, I'm blown away.
I told Jay, I'm so happy.
If nothing else, this monthhas given me a new movie that I will
probably watch at least, like,once a year or something.
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Like, so thankful for that.
Turner and Hooch.
Like, I don't have a strongconnection to it.
Like, I like Tom Hanks, butcanine, I definitely do now.
Like, that movie struck achord with me, and I'm just so grateful
to have experienced it.
I just gave 0.5 more to Kane.
I just.
It made me laugh, dude.
Like, I.
I know I'll laugh again.
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I.
It's quotable.
It.
It's cute.
I love that dog.
And I love the monologue with Dooley.
I don't dislike Turner and Hooch.
I just think it's.
It's not as funny.
And for what I want, if I'mgonna watch these movies, I like
the over the top a little bit more.
I.
If I want heartwarming, Ithink I'll.
I don't know, I'll turn tosomething else.
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But I just.
Dude, give me more Jerry Lee.
But a five for Turner andHooch and a four and a half for Canaan.
Like, that just feels a little broken.
Jay.
Hey, look, man, I am usuallyvery objective.
Are you?
Usually?
You.
I.
I mean, usually.
But your credibility might bea little trash now.
I mean, we already, we alreadyknow that you got problems with comedy,
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so.
Like, your credibility is the worst.
You're the worst.
Look, I'm You.
I try very hard to beobjective, but I will freely admit
that my object.
Objectivity is out the windowwith these two movies.
This one is pure 8 year old JJ.
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I mean, you do really.
You love.
I love my dog.
But I know if we had a lovemeter of dogs, you would be higher
than me.
Oh, yeah, we've had this conversation.
I think I thoroughly offendedyou because I told you I'd try to
save my dogs before I tried tosave you in a fire, but.
You got offended by that.
That's an easy answer.
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I mean, save truth.
It holds true for you too, Alex.
Sorry.
I'm picking my dog.
Oh.
But 100.
I try to save Jay first, but Ithink I told him that it would be
a little difficult.
I would say.
Jj, I appreciate that.
So, yeah, no, I mean this.
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I am completely unadulterated.
Undeniably.
All right.
It makes me feel a little bit better.
I'm surprised that you wentthat high.
Yeah, no, because I.
And it's purely from anentertainment perspective for me.
Like, I could watch either ofthese movies anytime because I.
They to me, make me feel real good.
Like, I just like these moviesa lot.
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Like, and I.
I really want a Frenchfreaking mastiff.
I'll never own one, but I want one.
Every time I see kids that much.
Slobber, it's too much.
Ah, yeah, the slobber's alittle rough.
And they're that look.
Because they're really smart.
Like, that's.
I.
I would never own a Germanshepherd either.
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I would love to, but they're.
They're super smart.
My house isn't entertainingenough for a German shepherd.
That's the problem.
We like to lays around andhang out.
It's hard enough keeping myhusky entertained.
But the problem with yeah, mastiffs.
One, I love a big dog, butthat's a big ass dog.
This movie doesn't do any justice.
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Yeah.
I met him in person.
I was blown away.
I was like, yeah, no, not siton my lap.
He passed that stage manymoons ago, my friend.
Their heads are like as big asboth of all my dogs right now.
But like, yeah, mastiffs are huge.
But I love all that droopyface, slobbery.
Like, I just want to just.
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You make out with your dogs, Jay?
No, I don't make out with my dogs.
I do let my dogs give mekisses on the face, but I don't.
Make out on, like, willingly.
Lots of kisses.
Like, on the mouth area, noton the mouth.
Like, I'm not like, I'm notlike, if they go to kiss my mouth,
they get away with it.
And I'm like, stop it.
But, like, cheeks, forehead, face.
Yeah, I let that happen allday long.
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Except for my old one right now.
Her breath is really, really,really, really bad.
Like, because she's old.
How.
Basically give me kisses.
Because I give him kisses allthe time.
But if.
If I have seen him recentlylick his.
His butt region, then I'mlike, you know what?
We're gonna wait a little bit.
We're gonna push that away fora second.
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Yeah, no, yeah, obviously,like, if I look over and I see my
dog licking their ass, I'm notlike, immediately like, hey, when
you're done over there, comeon over.
You know, like, it's not like,yeah, I mean, I let her cool off
a little bit, but.
I'm so happy to have done that.
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This has been one of my favorites.
That is a great episode in along time.
All I can think about now,Jay, is, I want to watch canine with
you very high.
That sounds like a good time.
It would be a great timebecause I laugh my ass off.
We'll have to do it.
I would.
Dude, I'd get tickled pinkduring that scene where he says he's
shy, that I.
I'd be on the ground.
I might be.
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Oh, dude.
Yeah, I'd laugh a lot.
Easy.
Good stuff.
Oh, my gosh.
Such a funny.
I love.
Yeah.
There's so many quotes in bothof these movies that are just great.
But anyway, I love the rules.
In turn, hoots, this is notyour room.
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This is not your room.
This is your room.
And then he butt head, buttshis way out of it.
Oh, so good.
Oh, the last thing I wanted tosay is the.
The lovemaking scene withJerry Lee.
That part makes me gigglebecause we've never had.
Never experienced a dogpointing in the bed as you're trying
to do the dirty.
But, like, sometimes they'rein there and, like, you make eye
(50:33):
contact, you're like, no,gotta stop.
Gotta pause.
You gotta eat.
We just.
You gotta.
You gotta be out.
Like, I don't.
One, don't need that pressure.
Two, I don't want to be seeingyou right now.
Like, no, that.
That scene makes me laugh.
I should not tell this story,but I'm going to anyway.
(50:53):
When Casey and I used to livein South Weber, we had a townhouse.
And at the time we owned twodogs, not three.
We had a little beagle,miniature beagle, Claire, who was
Casey's first dog.
Just sweet little dog, littletiny thing and then we had.
Yeah, miss her.
And then we had Maya, who wasa husky.
(51:14):
And Maya, when.
When adult activities weretaking place in our house, Maya left
like she didn't want anything.
She was.
But Claire had this unnaturalattachment to Casey.
Like, would try to fight my55, 60 pound husky.
(51:35):
When Maya would come up to tryto say hi to Claire, Casey, Claire
would lose her.
Like, she was that jealousabout Casey.
So happy adult time in ourhouse was very awkward with clothes
Claire, because she would getvery jealous of me spending time
with Casey.
(51:55):
And so there was a happy time happening.
One time we used to have aChase Lounge.
Chase lounge.
That was really big and nice.
And we were on the Chase Lounge.
And the next thing I know,like, what the.
I got a slobbery beagle kisson my left ass cheek.
(52:19):
Ruined the mood just like that.
So from then on, bully sticks.
We had to.
For like six years, Casey andI had to plan adult time because.
Or we had to buy a bunch ofbully sticks.
We had bully sticks in adrawer in our house because it was
the only thing that keptClaire distracted.
(52:40):
JJ walks in with the voice.
He's like, hey, baby, you have no.
Idea the running jokes in our house.
Because we would also, like,you know, spontaneously things would
happen.
And so we'd be in the midst oflike a hot, heavy makeout session,
knowing where things aregoing, and then it's like, pause.
And we'd have to run and get abully stick because otherwise.
(53:01):
So it was a constant joke inour house.
That's great.
But yeah, no, I had my asscheek licked in the middle of the
deed.
Stop the deed real quick.
I promise.
I never thought anything wouldstop the deed.
But that did.
Mood was ruined.
(53:22):
And of course, Casey justlaughed because that's her style.
She just will still make ajoke about that nowadays.
But anyway, probably shouldn'thave told that story for Arthur 5
listeners.
But you know.
All right, Alec, telleverybody where they can find us
when they're not hearing aboutmy unfortunate stories.
I was gonna say this used tobe a reputable podcast, but this
(53:44):
episode has really turned left.
So that's week three ofarbitration month.
And today, you know, today'sepisode is all about showdowns between
dog's best friend.
So it really comes down towhich you like better.
Go ahead and leave us acomment if you agree with our verdict.
(54:08):
I think it was Turner andHooch for me and JJ and K9 for Matson.
So let's see if Matson'sreally a man of the people.
Put down in the comments ifit's Turner and Hooch or canine special.
Thanks.
People don't know what isright, and I have to say.
Okay, well, then you're notreally a man of the people people
then.
So.
Last time I checked, thepeople like to see things in color
(54:30):
if they could willingly vote.
Do you want to see black andwhite or color?
They're gonna pick color every time.
Okay, whatever you say, Matson.
I just.
I just love Alex Tonethroughout this whole freaking.
Because he's just like, we'retalking about dog.
Yeah, Alex has been.
I don't think I've ever seenhim more annoyed about two movies
than what we've done.
Right.
It's been a rough hour.
(54:52):
Anyway, thanks to our patrons,CB and Rich for so no, you know,
screw both of you.
Thank you for supporting thepodcast of being patrons.
Patreon's place to find us at.
What's our verdict?
Reviews.
So you can join in and pickall the dog movies you want, everybody.
(55:13):
Anyways, with that, let's kickit back to the Wazir of WAP, the
Maharaja of Mash a JJ.
Thanks, buddy.
Almost 400 episodes in in this one.
Ranks up.
There is a great one.
Poor, poor Will Al.
Don't want to do a movie.
Don't like the doggy.
Oh, I'm just channeling myinner Matson.
(55:38):
Oh, boy, it's been a fun one.
What a good way to kick.
Well, week three, it's not akickoff or an ending.
We still.
We've had a couple before itand we got one later, so.
And I'm getting a hello frommy little husky here, so with that,
as always, we appreciate youtuning in.
We'll catch you on the nextbaby cinematic.
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