July 7, 2025 • 36 mins
The focus for JJ, Alec and Mattson for this podcast episode revolves around the cinematic exploration of the film "National Treasure," a narrative that intertwines adventure with historical intrigue. We engage in a profound analysis of the film's themes, particularly its depiction of patriotic fervor and the allure of hidden treasures rooted in American history. Throughout the discourse, we reflect upon the film's characters, notably the charismatic portrayal by Nicolas Cage, and the dynamic interplay between humor and tension that enriches the viewing experience. As we delve deeper, we also scrutinize the plausibility of the film's plot devices, acknowledging the necessity of suspension of disbelief within such an adventurous context. Ultimately, our conversation encapsulates a shared appreciation for the film's ability to entertain while simultaneously provoking thoughtful engagement with history and conspiracy theories.
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I just love that Matson wentfrom singing the national anthem
to calling the Declaration apiece of in like 35 seconds.
That was beautiful.
Welcome to what's EverybodyPodcast, where we fashion ourselves
cinematic judge and jury.
My name is J.J.
crowder.
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I'm here with my co hosts Matt.
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Any one of those will do about us.
That'd be very interesting.
I'd be interested to sit andtalk and get to know some things
make me feel stupid, which ispar for the course.
But yeah, we're here, boy.
It's July and we're kickingoff July with a month of patriotic
movies.
I don't know if that's an appro.
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That's what we were aiming forand I think they all worked out pretty
well.
But yeah, we're kicking it offwith a good one.
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to watch once a quarter.
So that's fun.
With that, we're jumping intoJuly with National Treasure.
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It was released November 19, 2004.
It was written by a lot of people.
Jim Koof, Cormac Wibberley andMarianne Wibberley.
Great names across the board.
It's directed by John TurtleTaub because why wouldn't we have
another great name?
It stars.
Say that again.
John Turtle Taub.
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Turtle Tub.
Have you never heard, you knowJohn Turtle Top?
Come on now.
No, he's kind of aninteresting looking dude and he's
done.
With a name like Turtle Top, I.
Would expect cool runningswhile you were sleeping Phenomenon.
Say that five times.
That's fun.
Yeah, Friends.
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Yeah, he's done a lot of like,movies that are similar to this and,
and tv things like that.
But yeah, that's who directed it.
It stars Nicholas Cage, DianeKrueger, Justin Bartha, Sean Bean,
John Voight, Harvey Keitel,Christopher Plummer, David Diane
Fisher, and Eric King.
I had to put Eric King inthere because every time I see him
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in this, I just want to belike, surprise.
Those of you that watch Dexterknow that joke.
But the movie is about ahistorian who races to find the legendary
Templar treasure before a teamof mercenaries.
That is the shortest synopsisfor this movie I think you could
write.
But, I mean, it's functional.
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Yeah.
Whose movie was this?
This was yours, right?
Matson.
It was Matson's.
This was mine.
I was recommending we do thistopic for the month of July.
This was the movie that I hadin mind because it embodies all of
it.
But let me, let me, let mewarm up the vocal cords here.
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I just feel like we need alittle patriotism.
Oh, he.
Can you see by the D.
Stop there.
Maybe if I do another podcastagain, y' all listen to me sing very
terribly, but America, baby.
I mean, this movie.
Jj, remind me, what year didthis movie come out again?
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I know you just said it.
Oh, four.
So I'd have been 13.
And for our listeners, I don'tknow if I've ever said where I grew
up.
I probably have on some random podcast.
I grew up a little bit southof Washington, D.C.
i was like 20 minutes away.
I've on the east coast forthose that live there.
I'm now in the Seattle area,but cities are a lot closer.
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They can go from D.C.
to Baltimore to New York andall within a four hour drive.
You want to make it up to Boston.
From where I lived, it waseight hours.
And obviously Philly is alongthe way as well.
Been all those places.
Have been to many, most ofthose places many times to the point
where I got tired of going toWashington D.C.
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because, like, you know, whenpeople come there, like, let's go
to D.C.
and just like, oh my gosh,like, why?
Why do we want to go now Ifeel dumb because it's great.
And I tell everybody to gothere because most people, like,
west on the west coast, like,people either go once when they were
like a kid or they like never go.
And I'm like, what are youlike, there's so much to do there.
All that to be said.
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I love revolutionary historywhere I grew up, because it was like
in your backyard.
When we were taught Americanhistory, we didn't just read about
it, you visited it and you didso quite often.
And so, I mean, I Love.
George Washington's one of mymost respected and revered characters
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in American history.
Read a lot about him.
I just think this movie, like,I love history.
I love, like, thearchitecture, I love, like an adventure.
And when you package all thattogether in a movie, in lore that
I find extremely fascinatingand like, terribly believable to
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a 13 year old.
And even when I just watch it,I'm like, shit, dude.
Like, it's.
The treasure's there.
I'm about to call JJ and Iwould be like, guys, we gotta go
over there right now.
It's on the back of the deck.
Like, fascinating what onepiece of paper is gonna make it from
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then till now.
That piece of.
Right there.
And then you're gonna put thebifocals multicolored in a building
with the symbol next to the liberty.
Like, yes, let's go.
Like, while we were fightingthe British, we were protecting the
gold.
Like, we were fighting twowars, espionage and war on the streets.
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And, you know, we still bootysmack the British.
Y' all suck.
I love this, but, like, it'sjust, it's.
It's funny.
It's Nicholas Cage, as we knowin many of his movies.
Is he the reason we watch this movie?
Hell no.
Like, he's.
He's kind of like a warm bodythat passed through.
I could not watch this movie.
Why am I forgetting?
His name's already escapingme, the main villain.
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I'm.
Yeah.
I think he's.
He's.
He's awesome.
I just.
I mean, they go all over.
They go from like theAntarctic to all these.
The different cities that I visited.
They throw in a heist.
They throw in somewhat of aforced love scene that kind of works
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at the same time.
And you just like, if you loveshiny things like JJ does, you're
just like shinies left and right.
Let me collect, like, let me do.
Then he.
You got like a full blown,like, spy heist, treasure heist,
like national security heist.
He's put all in a movie.
I could keep going.
I'm gonna stop because it's a lot.
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This is a great watch.
I just watched it.
The other great movie I hadn'tseen a little while, like, damn,
dude, make me a number three.
And you shoot, dude.
They could do a lot now.
It'd be kind of scary, thestuff they could do, but awesome
premise, man.
I love it.
All right.
I love this movie too.
I.
Here's the funny part.
So in 2004, I was old already.
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JJ, tell us your age.
I was 13.
I was.
Well, if you're 13?
I was 23.
Yeah, some days.
But yeah, like, I.
When this movie was beingadvertised and I was like, oh, my
God, this movie's gonna be horrible.
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And.
But I was at the time, like,all I did, I saw a lot of movies
in the theater back then and Iwas like, I'm gonna go watch it just
because I can.
And I fell in love with that.
I thought it was fun.
I thought it was entertaining.
It's very similar into what wetalked about, the end of June, where
it's like, it's a movie that Ilook at and on the surface it shouldn't
be as fun and entertaining andenjoyable to me, but it is.
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And I like, I can get past somany things that I'm like, this is
goofy and this doesn't makemuch sense, but I love it.
And so it's like, yeah, Ireally enjoy it.
I was glad that you picked it.
I think if you hadn't, I would have.
Just because it's.
It's one of the things that Ithink of from like a silly, like.
Like you said, go America.
Like, you know, like thispatriotic thing.
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Because he's so in love withthe history.
All of them are in this movie.
They're so in love with thehistory of the country.
And there's some weird thathappened and some timings are weird
and.
Yeah, but it's.
And Nicholas Cage is NicholasCage, like, as much as he's in so
many things.
Like, his charisma is good andin this movie it plays through like
that kind of goofy, nerdy.
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Like him.
He was not.
You're not going to be likethis savant and like this.
Yeah, you got to have a.
You gotta be a little weird.
Gotta be a little weird.
Yeah, yeah.
So it works out.
I am interested, though, and Ican't wait to turn it over to Alec
because our local conspiracytheorist, like, we start talking
about governmental withTemplars and Masons and secret treasures
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and hidden caves and I, youknow, I just can't wait to hear what
Alec thinks.
Go ahead, buddy.
I just love that Matson wentfrom singing the national anthem
to calling the Declaration apiece of.
In like 35 seconds.
That was beautiful.
For this.
Yeah.
No conspiracy theorists,Freemasons, Templars, government.
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That's why I love this movie.
And watch it is for that.
That is what I mean.
You know, we all know I'm alittle bit broken.
A little bit broken.
But you guys like the GoAmerica stuff.
I'm like those.
Why is.
Why is inflation so bad?
Because they Found thetreasure and they said, we're gonna
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share it with us.
Yeah, that's funny.
I like to think from thismovie, like, a couple of weeks after
it was in theaters, the people.
And I forget the museum wherethey actually house the Declaration.
This is sad.
I should know that.
But they.
The people down in thepreparation room, they're like, dude,
think.
Like, you think we should.
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Should we flip it over?
Like, lemon juice?
If we get some lemon juice ina blow dryer, can we find a map?
Should we check?
Like, maybe, maybe.
But then later on in themovie, this is where I'm like, when
they get dumber, they're inwhere they sign in the Continental
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Congress in Philadelphia,where they sign, but they pull it
out without.
They show them pulling outwith their bare hands.
And then later they're holdingthe plastic like, no, you're not
doing that because you justdestroyed it.
Because, like, five years fromnow, your little human oil is just
like, that.
Part of the page is gone.
Like, ain't no way.
Always makes me laugh.
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Oh, man.
I think they.
I mean, they had to been like,we should probably just check the
document.
We should just probably do it.
Like, just check.
Yeah.
I would have wanted to.
I would have wanted to.
I would have done it.
Yes.
And then be somewhere fired.
I mean, the funny part isprobably you could be calm this whole
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time.
It could be.
I mean, I'm sure we aren'teven looking at the real one in there
most of the time.
Who's to say that thing didn'tget lost, like 150 years ago with
Abe Lincoln blowing and hisnose on like a tissue?
Oh, frick.
That was the Declaration.
My bad.
Like, could have been.
Dude, honest ape, he lied.
Yeah, I don't know.
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Like, I still struggle withsome of the documents that they're
like, yeah, this is real.
And I'm like, is it though?
Is it?
I do think one of the funniestparts of this movie, though, is like
the whole him trying to sneakout and, like, having to buy the
souvenir version.
Like, that whole scene justmakes me laugh the whole time.
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And he's trying to pay cashand not use a card.
And then the way that Rileyfreaks the out when he finds out
he had to use his card.
We're on the grid.
I love it.
I'm glad you brought up Rileybecause I wanted to post check with
you guys.
Like, to me, because NicolasCage's character is predominantly
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so, like, aloof and serious.
Like, whoever was like, weneed a Riley.
They most.
I would Say almost all the time.
Like, his jokes and his humorthat they inserted was, to me, very
well timed and absolutelynecessary for this movie because
otherwise, I think it would have.
It still would have been agood movie, but it would have felt
a little, like, overbearingand taxing at times.
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I like.
I'm trying.
Like, one of my favorite parts is.
They're in the.
The daylight savings part.
When he's like, wait, I knowsomething you don't.
He takes.
He's like.
He takes his time.
I'm like, oh, man.
Like, I love.
Like, there's.
There's multiple.
There's other things he's.
And I'm sure we'll say most of them.
But, like, I like those monthsbecause you needed that.
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That breather and be like, oh, yeah.
Like, where it's great whenit's just.
I don't think it would haveworked for the movie to be overtly
serious and you needed someonelike him.
And I thought they did a greatjob with Riley's character.
Agreed.
I love all the humor.
Is really well placed.
Yeah.
There's just enough of it thatit doesn't.
What's another funny thingthat he said?
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And there's more.
I should.
I just.
I need to come to me.
There's a giant bluish greenman with the strange goatee.
He's so good.
I.
I like it.
But I like Justin Bartha too,so I think he does a great job.
We're at the end when he'stalking about, like, sitting on half
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a percent or whatever it is,1%, trying to drive his Ferrari away,
and you're just like, oh,like, screwing that one up.
I like with Justin Bartha,like the Library Congress scene where
he's explaining how you can'tsteal the Declaration to Nicolas
Cage.
Like, I find that funnybecause he's like, I brought you
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here for a reason.
Listen.
Listen to Riley, right?
This is what it's going on.
This is a story.
We can't do it.
And so that kind of humor.
That's not humor, really.
It's fun for me.
Yeah, I.
Yeah, I think.
I think.
I don't know.
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There's so many things that hedoes that I will say too, that.
So the flip side to Rileybecause, like, one of the things
I always think of too is whenthey say, what's her face?
And, like, he's asking her,are you okay?
Are you hungry?
Whatever?
And he's like, I'm fine too,thanks for asking.
Just recover from being shot at.
But I'm fine too.
Thanks for yeah.
And then.
But on the flip side, like, Ilove Harvey Keitel's character, like,
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Agent Sadusky.
Like, oh, yeah, that littlenugget that pops in every once in
a while and has that momentof, like, seriousness, but is just
connected enough that he wantshim to succeed and wants to help
and.
But has to be very carefulabout how he goes about it once he
figures out and he wants to believe.
Like, I like that.
And then you find out at theend that he's a Mason.
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And so it's interesting, butto me, like, I like the way that
they.
They weave the story, becauseyou have to.
And I remember watching it thefirst time thinking, oh, is he just
crazy?
Like, is this whole thing justgonna turn out to be nut?
Like, he's nuts.
Because, like, there has to bethat level of he cannot be correct.
Right.
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But then you start rooting for him.
And so, like, the way thatthey weave the different clues and.
And I love the fact that hisdad comes in is like, yeah, and you'll
just find another clue, andthen you'll just find another clue.
And.
And, like, that, to me, is theepitome of you have to wonder if
you're a treasure hunter andyou're someone that's like.
Because there are people likethis out there for real.
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For real.
And like, oh, yeah.
How often do they actuallyfind something?
Or do they just spend theirwhole life, like, chasing clues or.
Or do they see clues wherethere are none?
Right.
Like, I don't know that Icould live that life as adventurous
and as cool as it may seem.
I think I'd be so frustratedat some point that I'd just be like,
it, I'm out.
Because, like, man, where'syour gratification come from?
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Like, because it can't just befinding clues.
And so I'm glad that we get tosee that payoff of, like, there is
a real treasure.
And he turns it over at theend, and, like, I think that's cool.
Look, stairs.
Yeah, look, stairs.
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He's so funny.
Justin.
Martha's delivery is genius.
I was gonna say with John Voight.
Nicholas Cagel's the Moment inTheir House set the scene for what?
The ending where JJ is talkingabout where they didn't find it,
but obviously they did.
But there was real emotion there.
You felt like a father and sonmoment where they were kind of having
this kind of come to Jesusmoment finally.
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And his dad was like, wow,like, my son did all this.
And it seems very tangible,like, maybe we can do this.
And kind of that pep talk andthat, like, having watched this movie
multiple times, like, you feel it.
You're like, okay, this.
This had real payoff becauseof that scene that set it up earlier.
And how many movies we've seenwhere they want you to, like, feel
something.
We bought in and just doesn't.
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Doesn't work.
But they did a great job.
Like that.
That scene at the end beforethey actually go into the treasure
room, like, you feel it likeit's palpable.
Yeah.
And I like the payoff, too,where at the end they're arguing.
Like, to your point, like, they're.
And they trick Ian.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?
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Like, they use that.
That understanding of eachother and that understanding of the
process and that.
And then the fact that theycan it up and knowing that Ian's
not gonna get.
They can screw up the saying.
And I love that.
That's like, even.
Even Riley sit there going,that doesn't feel right.
But he doesn't say anything.
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So they all figured the wholeteam figures it out at the end.
But.
And.
But they become cohesiveenough, if you will, to realize that
while they don't know whathe's doing, they know that Ben's
up to something.
Right.
And so they're, like, goingwith it.
And then they leave him there,and they're all like, no, don't leave
us.
And the only one that'sfreaking the out is actually Riley.
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It's like, how are we gonnaget out of here?
Wait, you're okay?
Yeah.
I love it.
He's like, well, I'm glad youguys are, like, on the same page
now, but we're still stuckdown here.
Well, they did a really goodjob of setting that scene up by having
the dialogue between NicolasCage and John Floyd where it's like,
hey, you change the status quo.
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Like, you keep the status quothe same, so they do the proper setup
to where you get to that point.
Everybody realized what'shappening to Matson's point, except
for Justin Bartha, but hisacting in that scene is what probably
seals the deal.
Yeah.
And so it's.
It's a.
It's a wonder.
It's a really good sequencemovie that they do with that.
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Jj, I'm curious, and I mean,Al, can you chime in too?
Like, you.
You talked about discrepanciesin this movie or jumps or things
the other side of this wherethey made some poorly timely decisions
or things that they set up inthe movie.
I'm curious what things alwayscome to.
Mind for you Well, I think forme, like, 1.
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1.
The ease in which they pulloff stealing the Declaration of Independence.
And I realize they have theirhiccups and it's a little weird,
but, like, the.
I think what makes me laugh.
And I realize it's for thesake of timing.
And it works because you want to.
You're rooting for it, andyou're like this.
All that matters is they'restealing the Declaration of Independence.
And that's wild and crazy andwhat the hell?
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But the fact that they go fromthe conversation with Riley where
he's like, I'm gonna steal it.
And then he starts walkingaway and he's like, wait, what?
I'm gonna steal theDeclaration of Independence.
And he's like, ben, that moment.
And then we jump right toalmost them stealing it.
And you're like.
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And then they rolled through,like, what you have to do in order
to steal it as they're gettingthe information.
And I'm like, man, you just gothrough that and it just works out.
And the only hiccup is thatyou have to buy a freaking cert.
Like, you know, souvenirversion of it.
I think, to me, I'm like, Iwould have liked to seen maybe a
little more planning on thefront end of that than just, like,
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getting the knowledge and thengoing, we're going to do it, right?
Like, I.
That's one of the things.
And then the other piece islike, the old things, like the glasses
holding up for 200 years in abrick wall, and all he has to do
is.
And he finds it and justscrapes away.
And that's the other piece again.
You got to let go of your.
The suspension of disbelief inthis is.
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You have to have it.
Because just the fact that heran also randomly ends up there just
in time.
The joke's great.
Best joke in the movie, Ithink, with the whole daylight savings
saving time thing.
But, yeah, the.
The timing is just too perfectthat I'm like, it would have been
almost.
The joke could have been justas funny as.
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As, well, we got to wait till tomorrow.
Or.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.
But those are just the littlethings that.
That.
But that's going to be true nomatter what when you're doing this
kind of, like, intricate.
Oh, yeah.
It's the same thing with,like, Indiana Jones, right?
Like, the timing has to beperfect and everything has to fall
into place for this to work.
And so therefore, I have to bebought in.
And I think that's where itcomes back to that, I give kudos
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to Turtle Top and.
And the writers and everythingelse to say.
They knew that we had to havecharismatic characters, actors that
made you go all in on wantingthem to succeed.
And then on the flip side, youhave to have a compelling villain
that you're a little bitscared of, but you also kind of like.
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And then.
But you don't quite know howfar he's willing to go, but you know
it's far enough to be scared of.
And then you have that perfectmiddleman in Harvey Keitel's character.
And all of that makes you go,it's okay that none of this is actually
believable because I careenough about these characters and
what's happening that I wantthem to succeed.
And so you just let it go.
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But when you think about itfrom a realistic perspective, like,
it's all just too perfect.
The glasses in the brick forme actually works because I'm like,
they probably would have been preserved.
They would have held itbecause it's glass, it's metal, it's
brick, and brick can last that long.
But the one that kills me iswhen they're going down into.
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From the church into where theactual treasure.
Like, okay, yes, boards are breaking.
There's probably termin.
I'm like, no, no chance.
Like, that rope's probably gone.
You're telling me I'm goingall the way down there.
I'm pretty sure we all die andwe die like four times.
Like, no, no.
And they jump onto.
That basically looks like aloading crate, the.
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The dolly, something.
No, you tell me that that'ssurviving after all these years.
Like, get out of here.
But that's what it would havelooked like.
And then I always have trouble.
And the same thing withIndiana Jones.
These movies were.
They have like these stonepressure plates or you like he puts
in the charlotte thing.
You press them like, sorry,come again?
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How does that work?
Like, tell me how that.
Like, how did you make thatcontraption work?
And it still works now.
I'm like, pretty sure.
Probably wouldn't work anyway,but always gets me every time.
Like, same thing with Indiana Jones.
There's so many of them.
Like, no, not a chance.
I just watched Indiana Jones.
I just playing the video game.
And they have the entry sceneto the last crusader.
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And like he's telling the guyat the beginning, don't.
Don't go into the light or those.
The spikes.
I'm like, they have photosensitive like stones.
I'm like, how did the hell didthat even work?
That doesn't make any sense.
Like, there's no way that that worked.
And having just watchedNational Treasure to the.
Some of those ones, I waslike, it's fine, like, not going
to change my rating of the movie.
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But it's those little thingsthat happens all the time in movies
all the time.
And he's look past them.
Oh, yeah.
But, yeah, you're right withthe timing thing.
Every, like, yeah, that scenewith the daylight savings, it's really
funny.
So I think we all just give ita pass.
But I always tell Tam, like,oh, that's convenient, Hollywood,
because otherwise it'd belike, you'd have to put in a little
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text that says two days later,one week later.
That's why people like the 24TV show.
I.
I was like, this is.
This is not someone's day.
This is, like, someone's,like, worst month of their life.
And you just condense it to 24 hours.
Like, so help me, people wouldbe dying of heart attacks if this
was their day.
Like, no chance.
(25:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well.
And the fact that, like, theystole the Declaration of Independence,
like, and I get.
You can't have it last toomuch longer because they're going
to find them.
You have almighty heat on you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, you're.
You're like, they're gonna getyour ass.
(25:41):
And they.
You are enemy number one right now.
And I, you know, they hintedthat, too, but, like.
And I don't know, maybe youwant to argue that there's some ineptitude
there that you can count onwithin law enforcement and things
like that, but I just thinkeven in 2004, there was just too
many ways to, like, trackpeople and find people to be able
to just say, they just stolethe Declaration of Independence.
(26:04):
We know they're staying in thearea of certain places.
Like, where are you gonna go?
So I get it.
But, yeah, like, again, hugerequirement for suspension of disbelief.
But it's fun enough andenjoyable enough that I let it go.
And I don't even care.
Like, I just have a good time.
(26:25):
I could.
I could care less.
In fact, it's to the pointwhere when they get to the.
The wood scene and all that atthe end, it just.
It's another thing that justmakes me chuckle because I'm like,
they're all dead.
Yeah.
Well, doesn't Riley saysomething about it's been a couple
days?
Yeah, he says, like, somethingabout termites or whatever.
It's just.
It's good stuff.
(26:45):
Always the timely joke called Riley.
Yeah, I'd have been like,you're trying to put yourself in
real.
Like, if you were an actualtreasure person, you found that shaft,
you would want to go down immediately.
But you'd be like, okay, let'sget some gear and we will return.
Because otherwise we will all die.
(27:05):
Yeah.
You know what other joke Ilove that wasn't necessarily a joke,
but it was funny.
Is when he drops the girl.
Like, they go back.
I'm so sorry I dropped you,but I had to save the Declaration.
She goes, no, no, it's fine.
I would have done the same thing.
Like, that's.
Yeah, I always find that onepretty funny.
(27:27):
Or like, at the very end, whenRiley's bitching about his 1% as
he gets in this Ferrari or hisLamborghini or whatever drive it.
Could have had Ted.
Yeah.
But you got the girl.
At least you got the girl.
Yeah.
I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering.
Right.
That was a dope house, too.
Oh, yeah.
(27:48):
I want that kind of property.
Yeah.
Plantation home.
Where is that house?
And they go find that now.
Like, dang.
But I bet it's worth more thaneven the three of us combined could
figure out.
Oh, you can count on that.
Love it.
Love, Alec.
Would you go on a treasure hunt?
Like, oh, dude, tomorrow.
(28:10):
Dude, I want to go on atreasure hunt with Alec.
Because I feel like we might die.
But it'd be for.
Oh, no.
100.
Because I am going down the staircase.
Yeah.
Because in my mind.
Right again, we all know I'm alittle bit broken.
Sure.
I'm like, for everythingthat's lasted this long, I don't
care.
They built this.
It's probably gonna last.
(28:30):
Yeah.
Like, I've gone through Crips.
Stuff that should have neverlasted as long as it has.
And these are.
These are the Masons.
What do Masons do?
They build.
So we really need to reviewnumber two.
Maybe this time next year sometime.
Because that's the real.
Gets into much more than realconspiracy stuff.
(28:51):
Yeah.
Where Alex pride and joy wouldcome to light much more than this
one does.
Yeah.
That's true.
Like, it has like, the littleBook of the President or whatever.
With all those secrets.
If that Alec would just.
He.
He'd be having a tick tockevery day.
Be like, you want to know this?
You want to know this?
Number three.
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And there'd be chaos in the streets.
All of a sudden it'd be like,what happened to Alec?
Shoot.
It's good stuff.
Good stuff.
All right, should we rate it?
Let's do it.
All right, Matson, you're up.
This Movie's a five.
(29:32):
Like, it's a five.
I.
I haven't seen.
I hadn't seen this movie for afew years.
Like, this movie made me laugh.
This movie made me want to goon a treasure hunt.
This movie has already made mewant to go re read and watch some
stuff on American history that just.
It's just fun.
(29:53):
It has such rewatch ability.
Like, even I know what's gonnahappen, but I still like how it's
happening.
And it just.
Yeah, I.
I wish the second one.
It's not terrible, but I wishthe second one was better.
But I almost want them toreboot and make a third one with
all the crazy stuff that'sgoing on now.
Like, man, shoot, they coulddo so many crazy things.
(30:13):
But I just.
This movie's fun.
It's not like the longestmovie out there.
I just.
I get sucked into it and Ireally enjoy it and has a ton of
re.
Watchability and go, America.
So, yeah, it's a five.
Love it.
All right.
Alec, man of the people's broken.
This movie is a four for me.
(30:37):
I really enjoyed theconspiracy aspect of it, but if we're
talking about.
I.
I feel like there's a lot ofcheap tricks that they throw in there
to get it through.
Not a full action, it's not afull comedy.
It's, you know, they.
They kind of.
It's a product of its era, right?
(30:57):
That early 2000s is.
Hey, we stumbled upon aformula that works, and we're gonna
keep making every single movielike that.
Now, it does have its gems, right?
Like, my favorite quote isactually when Nicholas Cage and Riley
are looking at the Declarationright before he's like, I'm gonna
steal it.
And he talks about, you know,if there's something wrong, the people
(31:18):
who have the ability to takeaction have the responsibility to
take action.
And like, that, to me, shouldbe plastered up everywhere.
That's a brilliant quote.
And so it's.
But it gets passed over byalmost the sentence before and the
sentence after where they comeback in.
So I'm giving it a four.
I will watch it again.
But it's not something thatI'm like, super excited.
(31:40):
Like, oh, I gotta watch this now.
Fair enough.
I'm gonna meet you in the middle.
I'm gonna give it a four and a half.
I think watching it againrekindled it.
It had been a long time sinceI watched it, but there was a time
early on when it came out thatI watched it quite a few times when
it was like, hitting, youknow, Streaming stuff like that.
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Just because I think it's afun movie.
It's interesting.
I like the idea of historyriddled in there and learning a little
bit and making jokes and the,the dry humor and then the over the
top humor, but then allwrapped in this very serious action
adventure, thriller, sometimemovie that loves to piece together
(32:23):
some crazy conspiracy theoriesabout American history.
And you know, you have a, Agroup of the founding fathers who
are obviously extremelyintelligent men and there had to
have been some crazy they gotup to.
And so it's believable, youknow what I mean, that there could
be some Templar treasure lyingaround somewhere that was hidden
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that nobody's been able to find.
Or, you know, there's certainsecrets that we just don't know about
that have been secret sincethe time of George Washington and
Benjamin Franklin and all this stuff.
So I, it's, it's enoughbelievability to make me excited
and to learn and it's a goodway to learn and yet have a good
time and not.
(33:06):
But it.
And not take itself tooseriously, but have enough seriousness.
So I, I really like it.
I think the acting is good enough.
I think the only one thatbothers me is Abigail.
Sometimes, like, sometimes thecharacter just annoys me.
Sometimes she's really funny,but it's usually when someone's poking
at her, right like the momentwhen the dad's like, is she pregnant?
(33:27):
He's like, would you leave your.
The mother of your grandchildout in the cold?
I look pregnant.
Or like the joke where shewon't stop asking questions.
And he's like, here, if I letyou hold this, will you please shut
up like that.
It just, there's parts, butit's never heard that I find entertaining.
It's what happens around her.
(33:47):
So there's just little thingsthat get on my nerves about the movie,
but there's never enough forme to think it's a bad movie.
So four and a half for me.
I'll definitely watch it again.
Question before we finish this.
Have either of you watched theTV show on Disney plus?
No, I haven't either.
But now I think I don't watch.
Disney plus TV shows.
That's fair.
I might have to.
(34:08):
Well, I was gonna say I wasn't.
I never had any intention to,but then watching this movie again
was like, now I think I gottawatch it just to see how good it
is.
I'm sure it's terrible, but Imay give it a try.
So give it a spin.
Yep, there it is.
First movie of Our Julypatriotic films is a good way to
start.
Alec, tell everybody wherethey can find us.
(34:30):
Happy to like JJ said week oneJuly in the books and unfortunately
week one of July.
Matson's got one point.
Patreon is a place to getinvolved with the podcast closely.
We have votes that go up everymonth for movies topics and the voting
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So hop on there, join up.
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You two guys together there.
I'm sorry about that.
Hope you can forgive me.
But those two guys are theones who are, you know, they're our
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Other than that, find us on YouTube.
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With that I will kick it backto the wazir of wap, the Mauling
(35:37):
Monarch.
It's been a while so I usethat one.
Jj.
That's right.
Thanks Alec.
Yeah, go check us out on Patreon.
It's a good time over there.
And with that as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the nextbaby cinematic.
I just love that Matson wentfrom singing the national anthem
to calling the Declaration apiece of in like 35 seconds.
That was beautiful.
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to watch once a quarter.
So that's fun.
With that, we're jumping intoJuly with National Treasure.
(01:50):
It was released November 19, 2004.
It was written by a lot of people.
Jim Koof, Cormac Wibberley andMarianne Wibberley.
Great names across the board.
It's directed by John TurtleTaub because why wouldn't we have
another great name?
It stars.
Say that again.
John Turtle Taub.
(02:10):
Turtle Tub.
Have you never heard, you knowJohn Turtle Top?
Come on now.
No, he's kind of aninteresting looking dude and he's
done.
With a name like Turtle Top, I.
Would expect cool runningswhile you were sleeping Phenomenon.
Say that five times.
That's fun.
Yeah, Friends.
(02:30):
Yeah, he's done a lot of like,movies that are similar to this and,
and tv things like that.
But yeah, that's who directed it.
It stars Nicholas Cage, DianeKrueger, Justin Bartha, Sean Bean,
John Voight, Harvey Keitel,Christopher Plummer, David Diane
Fisher, and Eric King.
I had to put Eric King inthere because every time I see him
(02:51):
in this, I just want to belike, surprise.
Those of you that watch Dexterknow that joke.
But the movie is about ahistorian who races to find the legendary
Templar treasure before a teamof mercenaries.
That is the shortest synopsisfor this movie I think you could
write.
But, I mean, it's functional.
(03:12):
Yeah.
Whose movie was this?
This was yours, right?
Matson.
It was Matson's.
This was mine.
I was recommending we do thistopic for the month of July.
This was the movie that I hadin mind because it embodies all of
it.
But let me, let me, let mewarm up the vocal cords here.
(03:32):
I just feel like we need alittle patriotism.
Oh, he.
Can you see by the D.
Stop there.
Maybe if I do another podcastagain, y' all listen to me sing very
terribly, but America, baby.
I mean, this movie.
Jj, remind me, what year didthis movie come out again?
(03:53):
I know you just said it.
Oh, four.
So I'd have been 13.
And for our listeners, I don'tknow if I've ever said where I grew
up.
I probably have on some random podcast.
I grew up a little bit southof Washington, D.C.
i was like 20 minutes away.
I've on the east coast forthose that live there.
I'm now in the Seattle area,but cities are a lot closer.
(04:15):
They can go from D.C.
to Baltimore to New York andall within a four hour drive.
You want to make it up to Boston.
From where I lived, it waseight hours.
And obviously Philly is alongthe way as well.
Been all those places.
Have been to many, most ofthose places many times to the point
where I got tired of going toWashington D.C.
(04:36):
because, like, you know, whenpeople come there, like, let's go
to D.C.
and just like, oh my gosh,like, why?
Why do we want to go now Ifeel dumb because it's great.
And I tell everybody to gothere because most people, like,
west on the west coast, like,people either go once when they were
like a kid or they like never go.
And I'm like, what are youlike, there's so much to do there.
All that to be said.
(04:57):
I love revolutionary historywhere I grew up, because it was like
in your backyard.
When we were taught Americanhistory, we didn't just read about
it, you visited it and you didso quite often.
And so, I mean, I Love.
George Washington's one of mymost respected and revered characters
(05:19):
in American history.
Read a lot about him.
I just think this movie, like,I love history.
I love, like, thearchitecture, I love, like an adventure.
And when you package all thattogether in a movie, in lore that
I find extremely fascinatingand like, terribly believable to
(05:43):
a 13 year old.
And even when I just watch it,I'm like, shit, dude.
Like, it's.
The treasure's there.
I'm about to call JJ and Iwould be like, guys, we gotta go
over there right now.
It's on the back of the deck.
Like, fascinating what onepiece of paper is gonna make it from
(06:03):
then till now.
That piece of.
Right there.
And then you're gonna put thebifocals multicolored in a building
with the symbol next to the liberty.
Like, yes, let's go.
Like, while we were fightingthe British, we were protecting the
gold.
Like, we were fighting twowars, espionage and war on the streets.
(06:24):
And, you know, we still bootysmack the British.
Y' all suck.
I love this, but, like, it'sjust, it's.
It's funny.
It's Nicholas Cage, as we knowin many of his movies.
Is he the reason we watch this movie?
Hell no.
Like, he's.
He's kind of like a warm bodythat passed through.
I could not watch this movie.
Why am I forgetting?
His name's already escapingme, the main villain.
(06:46):
I'm.
Yeah.
I think he's.
He's.
He's awesome.
I just.
I mean, they go all over.
They go from like theAntarctic to all these.
The different cities that I visited.
They throw in a heist.
They throw in somewhat of aforced love scene that kind of works
(07:08):
at the same time.
And you just like, if you loveshiny things like JJ does, you're
just like shinies left and right.
Let me collect, like, let me do.
Then he.
You got like a full blown,like, spy heist, treasure heist,
like national security heist.
He's put all in a movie.
I could keep going.
I'm gonna stop because it's a lot.
(07:29):
This is a great watch.
I just watched it.
The other great movie I hadn'tseen a little while, like, damn,
dude, make me a number three.
And you shoot, dude.
They could do a lot now.
It'd be kind of scary, thestuff they could do, but awesome
premise, man.
I love it.
All right.
I love this movie too.
I.
Here's the funny part.
So in 2004, I was old already.
(07:52):
JJ, tell us your age.
I was 13.
I was.
Well, if you're 13?
I was 23.
Yeah, some days.
But yeah, like, I.
When this movie was beingadvertised and I was like, oh, my
God, this movie's gonna be horrible.
(08:13):
And.
But I was at the time, like,all I did, I saw a lot of movies
in the theater back then and Iwas like, I'm gonna go watch it just
because I can.
And I fell in love with that.
I thought it was fun.
I thought it was entertaining.
It's very similar into what wetalked about, the end of June, where
it's like, it's a movie that Ilook at and on the surface it shouldn't
be as fun and entertaining andenjoyable to me, but it is.
(08:34):
And I like, I can get past somany things that I'm like, this is
goofy and this doesn't makemuch sense, but I love it.
And so it's like, yeah, Ireally enjoy it.
I was glad that you picked it.
I think if you hadn't, I would have.
Just because it's.
It's one of the things that Ithink of from like a silly, like.
Like you said, go America.
Like, you know, like thispatriotic thing.
(08:56):
Because he's so in love withthe history.
All of them are in this movie.
They're so in love with thehistory of the country.
And there's some weird thathappened and some timings are weird
and.
Yeah, but it's.
And Nicholas Cage is NicholasCage, like, as much as he's in so
many things.
Like, his charisma is good andin this movie it plays through like
that kind of goofy, nerdy.
(09:19):
Like him.
He was not.
You're not going to be likethis savant and like this.
Yeah, you got to have a.
You gotta be a little weird.
Gotta be a little weird.
Yeah, yeah.
So it works out.
I am interested, though, and Ican't wait to turn it over to Alec
because our local conspiracytheorist, like, we start talking
about governmental withTemplars and Masons and secret treasures
(09:41):
and hidden caves and I, youknow, I just can't wait to hear what
Alec thinks.
Go ahead, buddy.
I just love that Matson wentfrom singing the national anthem
to calling the Declaration apiece of.
In like 35 seconds.
That was beautiful.
For this.
Yeah.
No conspiracy theorists,Freemasons, Templars, government.
(10:02):
That's why I love this movie.
And watch it is for that.
That is what I mean.
You know, we all know I'm alittle bit broken.
A little bit broken.
But you guys like the GoAmerica stuff.
I'm like those.
Why is.
Why is inflation so bad?
Because they Found thetreasure and they said, we're gonna
(10:22):
share it with us.
Yeah, that's funny.
I like to think from thismovie, like, a couple of weeks after
it was in theaters, the people.
And I forget the museum wherethey actually house the Declaration.
This is sad.
I should know that.
But they.
The people down in thepreparation room, they're like, dude,
think.
Like, you think we should.
(10:42):
Should we flip it over?
Like, lemon juice?
If we get some lemon juice ina blow dryer, can we find a map?
Should we check?
Like, maybe, maybe.
But then later on in themovie, this is where I'm like, when
they get dumber, they're inwhere they sign in the Continental
(11:03):
Congress in Philadelphia,where they sign, but they pull it
out without.
They show them pulling outwith their bare hands.
And then later they're holdingthe plastic like, no, you're not
doing that because you justdestroyed it.
Because, like, five years fromnow, your little human oil is just
like, that.
Part of the page is gone.
Like, ain't no way.
Always makes me laugh.
(11:24):
Oh, man.
I think they.
I mean, they had to been like,we should probably just check the
document.
We should just probably do it.
Like, just check.
Yeah.
I would have wanted to.
I would have wanted to.
I would have done it.
Yes.
And then be somewhere fired.
I mean, the funny part isprobably you could be calm this whole
(11:45):
time.
It could be.
I mean, I'm sure we aren'teven looking at the real one in there
most of the time.
Who's to say that thing didn'tget lost, like 150 years ago with
Abe Lincoln blowing and hisnose on like a tissue?
Oh, frick.
That was the Declaration.
My bad.
Like, could have been.
Dude, honest ape, he lied.
Yeah, I don't know.
(12:07):
Like, I still struggle withsome of the documents that they're
like, yeah, this is real.
And I'm like, is it though?
Is it?
I do think one of the funniestparts of this movie, though, is like
the whole him trying to sneakout and, like, having to buy the
souvenir version.
Like, that whole scene justmakes me laugh the whole time.
(12:31):
And he's trying to pay cashand not use a card.
And then the way that Rileyfreaks the out when he finds out
he had to use his card.
We're on the grid.
I love it.
I'm glad you brought up Rileybecause I wanted to post check with
you guys.
Like, to me, because NicolasCage's character is predominantly
(12:51):
so, like, aloof and serious.
Like, whoever was like, weneed a Riley.
They most.
I would Say almost all the time.
Like, his jokes and his humorthat they inserted was, to me, very
well timed and absolutelynecessary for this movie because
otherwise, I think it would have.
It still would have been agood movie, but it would have felt
a little, like, overbearingand taxing at times.
(13:13):
I like.
I'm trying.
Like, one of my favorite parts is.
They're in the.
The daylight savings part.
When he's like, wait, I knowsomething you don't.
He takes.
He's like.
He takes his time.
I'm like, oh, man.
Like, I love.
Like, there's.
There's multiple.
There's other things he's.
And I'm sure we'll say most of them.
But, like, I like those monthsbecause you needed that.
(13:35):
That breather and be like, oh, yeah.
Like, where it's great whenit's just.
I don't think it would haveworked for the movie to be overtly
serious and you needed someonelike him.
And I thought they did a greatjob with Riley's character.
Agreed.
I love all the humor.
Is really well placed.
Yeah.
There's just enough of it thatit doesn't.
What's another funny thingthat he said?
(13:56):
And there's more.
I should.
I just.
I need to come to me.
There's a giant bluish greenman with the strange goatee.
He's so good.
I.
I like it.
But I like Justin Bartha too,so I think he does a great job.
We're at the end when he'stalking about, like, sitting on half
(14:18):
a percent or whatever it is,1%, trying to drive his Ferrari away,
and you're just like, oh,like, screwing that one up.
I like with Justin Bartha,like the Library Congress scene where
he's explaining how you can'tsteal the Declaration to Nicolas
Cage.
Like, I find that funnybecause he's like, I brought you
(14:40):
here for a reason.
Listen.
Listen to Riley, right?
This is what it's going on.
This is a story.
We can't do it.
And so that kind of humor.
That's not humor, really.
It's fun for me.
Yeah, I.
Yeah, I think.
I think.
I don't know.
(15:01):
There's so many things that hedoes that I will say too, that.
So the flip side to Rileybecause, like, one of the things
I always think of too is whenthey say, what's her face?
And, like, he's asking her,are you okay?
Are you hungry?
Whatever?
And he's like, I'm fine too,thanks for asking.
Just recover from being shot at.
But I'm fine too.
Thanks for yeah.
And then.
But on the flip side, like, Ilove Harvey Keitel's character, like,
(15:23):
Agent Sadusky.
Like, oh, yeah, that littlenugget that pops in every once in
a while and has that momentof, like, seriousness, but is just
connected enough that he wantshim to succeed and wants to help
and.
But has to be very carefulabout how he goes about it once he
figures out and he wants to believe.
Like, I like that.
And then you find out at theend that he's a Mason.
(15:44):
And so it's interesting, butto me, like, I like the way that
they.
They weave the story, becauseyou have to.
And I remember watching it thefirst time thinking, oh, is he just
crazy?
Like, is this whole thing justgonna turn out to be nut?
Like, he's nuts.
Because, like, there has to bethat level of he cannot be correct.
Right.
(16:04):
But then you start rooting for him.
And so, like, the way thatthey weave the different clues and.
And I love the fact that hisdad comes in is like, yeah, and you'll
just find another clue, andthen you'll just find another clue.
And.
And, like, that, to me, is theepitome of you have to wonder if
you're a treasure hunter andyou're someone that's like.
Because there are people likethis out there for real.
(16:26):
For real.
And like, oh, yeah.
How often do they actuallyfind something?
Or do they just spend theirwhole life, like, chasing clues or.
Or do they see clues wherethere are none?
Right.
Like, I don't know that Icould live that life as adventurous
and as cool as it may seem.
I think I'd be so frustratedat some point that I'd just be like,
it, I'm out.
Because, like, man, where'syour gratification come from?
(16:49):
Like, because it can't just befinding clues.
And so I'm glad that we get tosee that payoff of, like, there is
a real treasure.
And he turns it over at theend, and, like, I think that's cool.
Look, stairs.
Yeah, look, stairs.
(17:10):
He's so funny.
Justin.
Martha's delivery is genius.
I was gonna say with John Voight.
Nicholas Cagel's the Moment inTheir House set the scene for what?
The ending where JJ is talkingabout where they didn't find it,
but obviously they did.
But there was real emotion there.
You felt like a father and sonmoment where they were kind of having
this kind of come to Jesusmoment finally.
(17:31):
And his dad was like, wow,like, my son did all this.
And it seems very tangible,like, maybe we can do this.
And kind of that pep talk andthat, like, having watched this movie
multiple times, like, you feel it.
You're like, okay, this.
This had real payoff becauseof that scene that set it up earlier.
And how many movies we've seenwhere they want you to, like, feel
something.
We bought in and just doesn't.
(17:52):
Doesn't work.
But they did a great job.
Like that.
That scene at the end beforethey actually go into the treasure
room, like, you feel it likeit's palpable.
Yeah.
And I like the payoff, too,where at the end they're arguing.
Like, to your point, like, they're.
And they trick Ian.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?
(18:13):
Like, they use that.
That understanding of eachother and that understanding of the
process and that.
And then the fact that theycan it up and knowing that Ian's
not gonna get.
They can screw up the saying.
And I love that.
That's like, even.
Even Riley sit there going,that doesn't feel right.
But he doesn't say anything.
(18:33):
So they all figured the wholeteam figures it out at the end.
But.
And.
But they become cohesiveenough, if you will, to realize that
while they don't know whathe's doing, they know that Ben's
up to something.
Right.
And so they're, like, goingwith it.
And then they leave him there,and they're all like, no, don't leave
us.
And the only one that'sfreaking the out is actually Riley.
(18:56):
It's like, how are we gonnaget out of here?
Wait, you're okay?
Yeah.
I love it.
He's like, well, I'm glad youguys are, like, on the same page
now, but we're still stuckdown here.
Well, they did a really goodjob of setting that scene up by having
the dialogue between NicolasCage and John Floyd where it's like,
hey, you change the status quo.
(19:18):
Like, you keep the status quothe same, so they do the proper setup
to where you get to that point.
Everybody realized what'shappening to Matson's point, except
for Justin Bartha, but hisacting in that scene is what probably
seals the deal.
Yeah.
And so it's.
It's a.
It's a wonder.
It's a really good sequencemovie that they do with that.
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Jj, I'm curious, and I mean,Al, can you chime in too?
Like, you.
You talked about discrepanciesin this movie or jumps or things
the other side of this wherethey made some poorly timely decisions
or things that they set up inthe movie.
I'm curious what things alwayscome to.
Mind for you Well, I think forme, like, 1.
(20:00):
1.
The ease in which they pulloff stealing the Declaration of Independence.
And I realize they have theirhiccups and it's a little weird,
but, like, the.
I think what makes me laugh.
And I realize it's for thesake of timing.
And it works because you want to.
You're rooting for it, andyou're like this.
All that matters is they'restealing the Declaration of Independence.
And that's wild and crazy andwhat the hell?
(20:22):
But the fact that they go fromthe conversation with Riley where
he's like, I'm gonna steal it.
And then he starts walkingaway and he's like, wait, what?
I'm gonna steal theDeclaration of Independence.
And he's like, ben, that moment.
And then we jump right toalmost them stealing it.
And you're like.
(20:44):
And then they rolled through,like, what you have to do in order
to steal it as they're gettingthe information.
And I'm like, man, you just gothrough that and it just works out.
And the only hiccup is thatyou have to buy a freaking cert.
Like, you know, souvenirversion of it.
I think, to me, I'm like, Iwould have liked to seen maybe a
little more planning on thefront end of that than just, like,
(21:06):
getting the knowledge and thengoing, we're going to do it, right?
Like, I.
That's one of the things.
And then the other piece islike, the old things, like the glasses
holding up for 200 years in abrick wall, and all he has to do
is.
And he finds it and justscrapes away.
And that's the other piece again.
You got to let go of your.
The suspension of disbelief inthis is.
(21:27):
You have to have it.
Because just the fact that heran also randomly ends up there just
in time.
The joke's great.
Best joke in the movie, Ithink, with the whole daylight savings
saving time thing.
But, yeah, the.
The timing is just too perfectthat I'm like, it would have been
almost.
The joke could have been justas funny as.
(21:48):
As, well, we got to wait till tomorrow.
Or.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.
But those are just the littlethings that.
That.
But that's going to be true nomatter what when you're doing this
kind of, like, intricate.
Oh, yeah.
It's the same thing with,like, Indiana Jones, right?
Like, the timing has to beperfect and everything has to fall
into place for this to work.
And so therefore, I have to bebought in.
And I think that's where itcomes back to that, I give kudos
(22:12):
to Turtle Top and.
And the writers and everythingelse to say.
They knew that we had to havecharismatic characters, actors that
made you go all in on wantingthem to succeed.
And then on the flip side, youhave to have a compelling villain
that you're a little bitscared of, but you also kind of like.
(22:34):
And then.
But you don't quite know howfar he's willing to go, but you know
it's far enough to be scared of.
And then you have that perfectmiddleman in Harvey Keitel's character.
And all of that makes you go,it's okay that none of this is actually
believable because I careenough about these characters and
what's happening that I wantthem to succeed.
And so you just let it go.
(22:55):
But when you think about itfrom a realistic perspective, like,
it's all just too perfect.
The glasses in the brick forme actually works because I'm like,
they probably would have been preserved.
They would have held itbecause it's glass, it's metal, it's
brick, and brick can last that long.
But the one that kills me iswhen they're going down into.
(23:17):
From the church into where theactual treasure.
Like, okay, yes, boards are breaking.
There's probably termin.
I'm like, no, no chance.
Like, that rope's probably gone.
You're telling me I'm goingall the way down there.
I'm pretty sure we all die andwe die like four times.
Like, no, no.
And they jump onto.
That basically looks like aloading crate, the.
(23:37):
The dolly, something.
No, you tell me that that'ssurviving after all these years.
Like, get out of here.
But that's what it would havelooked like.
And then I always have trouble.
And the same thing withIndiana Jones.
These movies were.
They have like these stonepressure plates or you like he puts
in the charlotte thing.
You press them like, sorry,come again?
(23:58):
How does that work?
Like, tell me how that.
Like, how did you make thatcontraption work?
And it still works now.
I'm like, pretty sure.
Probably wouldn't work anyway,but always gets me every time.
Like, same thing with Indiana Jones.
There's so many of them.
Like, no, not a chance.
I just watched Indiana Jones.
I just playing the video game.
And they have the entry sceneto the last crusader.
(24:19):
And like he's telling the guyat the beginning, don't.
Don't go into the light or those.
The spikes.
I'm like, they have photosensitive like stones.
I'm like, how did the hell didthat even work?
That doesn't make any sense.
Like, there's no way that that worked.
And having just watchedNational Treasure to the.
Some of those ones, I waslike, it's fine, like, not going
to change my rating of the movie.
(24:40):
But it's those little thingsthat happens all the time in movies
all the time.
And he's look past them.
Oh, yeah.
But, yeah, you're right withthe timing thing.
Every, like, yeah, that scenewith the daylight savings, it's really
funny.
So I think we all just give ita pass.
But I always tell Tam, like,oh, that's convenient, Hollywood,
because otherwise it'd belike, you'd have to put in a little
(25:01):
text that says two days later,one week later.
That's why people like the 24TV show.
I.
I was like, this is.
This is not someone's day.
This is, like, someone's,like, worst month of their life.
And you just condense it to 24 hours.
Like, so help me, people wouldbe dying of heart attacks if this
was their day.
Like, no chance.
(25:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well.
And the fact that, like, theystole the Declaration of Independence,
like, and I get.
You can't have it last toomuch longer because they're going
to find them.
You have almighty heat on you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, you're.
You're like, they're gonna getyour ass.
(25:41):
And they.
You are enemy number one right now.
And I, you know, they hintedthat, too, but, like.
And I don't know, maybe youwant to argue that there's some ineptitude
there that you can count onwithin law enforcement and things
like that, but I just thinkeven in 2004, there was just too
many ways to, like, trackpeople and find people to be able
to just say, they just stolethe Declaration of Independence.
(26:04):
We know they're staying in thearea of certain places.
Like, where are you gonna go?
So I get it.
But, yeah, like, again, hugerequirement for suspension of disbelief.
But it's fun enough andenjoyable enough that I let it go.
And I don't even care.
Like, I just have a good time.
(26:25):
I could.
I could care less.
In fact, it's to the pointwhere when they get to the.
The wood scene and all that atthe end, it just.
It's another thing that justmakes me chuckle because I'm like,
they're all dead.
Yeah.
Well, doesn't Riley saysomething about it's been a couple
days?
Yeah, he says, like, somethingabout termites or whatever.
It's just.
It's good stuff.
(26:45):
Always the timely joke called Riley.
Yeah, I'd have been like,you're trying to put yourself in
real.
Like, if you were an actualtreasure person, you found that shaft,
you would want to go down immediately.
But you'd be like, okay, let'sget some gear and we will return.
Because otherwise we will all die.
(27:05):
Yeah.
You know what other joke Ilove that wasn't necessarily a joke,
but it was funny.
Is when he drops the girl.
Like, they go back.
I'm so sorry I dropped you,but I had to save the Declaration.
She goes, no, no, it's fine.
I would have done the same thing.
Like, that's.
Yeah, I always find that onepretty funny.
(27:27):
Or like, at the very end, whenRiley's bitching about his 1% as
he gets in this Ferrari or hisLamborghini or whatever drive it.
Could have had Ted.
Yeah.
But you got the girl.
At least you got the girl.
Yeah.
I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering.
Right.
That was a dope house, too.
Oh, yeah.
(27:48):
I want that kind of property.
Yeah.
Plantation home.
Where is that house?
And they go find that now.
Like, dang.
But I bet it's worth more thaneven the three of us combined could
figure out.
Oh, you can count on that.
Love it.
Love, Alec.
Would you go on a treasure hunt?
Like, oh, dude, tomorrow.
(28:10):
Dude, I want to go on atreasure hunt with Alec.
Because I feel like we might die.
But it'd be for.
Oh, no.
100.
Because I am going down the staircase.
Yeah.
Because in my mind.
Right again, we all know I'm alittle bit broken.
Sure.
I'm like, for everythingthat's lasted this long, I don't
care.
They built this.
It's probably gonna last.
(28:30):
Yeah.
Like, I've gone through Crips.
Stuff that should have neverlasted as long as it has.
And these are.
These are the Masons.
What do Masons do?
They build.
So we really need to reviewnumber two.
Maybe this time next year sometime.
Because that's the real.
Gets into much more than realconspiracy stuff.
(28:51):
Yeah.
Where Alex pride and joy wouldcome to light much more than this
one does.
Yeah.
That's true.
Like, it has like, the littleBook of the President or whatever.
With all those secrets.
If that Alec would just.
He.
He'd be having a tick tockevery day.
Be like, you want to know this?
You want to know this?
Number three.
(29:12):
And there'd be chaos in the streets.
All of a sudden it'd be like,what happened to Alec?
Shoot.
It's good stuff.
Good stuff.
All right, should we rate it?
Let's do it.
All right, Matson, you're up.
This Movie's a five.
(29:32):
Like, it's a five.
I.
I haven't seen.
I hadn't seen this movie for afew years.
Like, this movie made me laugh.
This movie made me want to goon a treasure hunt.
This movie has already made mewant to go re read and watch some
stuff on American history that just.
It's just fun.
(29:53):
It has such rewatch ability.
Like, even I know what's gonnahappen, but I still like how it's
happening.
And it just.
Yeah, I.
I wish the second one.
It's not terrible, but I wishthe second one was better.
But I almost want them toreboot and make a third one with
all the crazy stuff that'sgoing on now.
Like, man, shoot, they coulddo so many crazy things.
(30:13):
But I just.
This movie's fun.
It's not like the longestmovie out there.
I just.
I get sucked into it and Ireally enjoy it and has a ton of
re.
Watchability and go, America.
So, yeah, it's a five.
Love it.
All right.
Alec, man of the people's broken.
This movie is a four for me.
(30:37):
I really enjoyed theconspiracy aspect of it, but if we're
talking about.
I.
I feel like there's a lot ofcheap tricks that they throw in there
to get it through.
Not a full action, it's not afull comedy.
It's, you know, they.
They kind of.
It's a product of its era, right?
(30:57):
That early 2000s is.
Hey, we stumbled upon aformula that works, and we're gonna
keep making every single movielike that.
Now, it does have its gems, right?
Like, my favorite quote isactually when Nicholas Cage and Riley
are looking at the Declarationright before he's like, I'm gonna
steal it.
And he talks about, you know,if there's something wrong, the people
(31:18):
who have the ability to takeaction have the responsibility to
take action.
And like, that, to me, shouldbe plastered up everywhere.
That's a brilliant quote.
And so it's.
But it gets passed over byalmost the sentence before and the
sentence after where they comeback in.
So I'm giving it a four.
I will watch it again.
But it's not something thatI'm like, super excited.
(31:40):
Like, oh, I gotta watch this now.
Fair enough.
I'm gonna meet you in the middle.
I'm gonna give it a four and a half.
I think watching it againrekindled it.
It had been a long time sinceI watched it, but there was a time
early on when it came out thatI watched it quite a few times when
it was like, hitting, youknow, Streaming stuff like that.
(32:01):
Just because I think it's afun movie.
It's interesting.
I like the idea of historyriddled in there and learning a little
bit and making jokes and the,the dry humor and then the over the
top humor, but then allwrapped in this very serious action
adventure, thriller, sometimemovie that loves to piece together
(32:23):
some crazy conspiracy theoriesabout American history.
And you know, you have a, Agroup of the founding fathers who
are obviously extremelyintelligent men and there had to
have been some crazy they gotup to.
And so it's believable, youknow what I mean, that there could
be some Templar treasure lyingaround somewhere that was hidden
(32:46):
that nobody's been able to find.
Or, you know, there's certainsecrets that we just don't know about
that have been secret sincethe time of George Washington and
Benjamin Franklin and all this stuff.
So I, it's, it's enoughbelievability to make me excited
and to learn and it's a goodway to learn and yet have a good
time and not.
(33:06):
But it.
And not take itself tooseriously, but have enough seriousness.
So I, I really like it.
I think the acting is good enough.
I think the only one thatbothers me is Abigail.
Sometimes, like, sometimes thecharacter just annoys me.
Sometimes she's really funny,but it's usually when someone's poking
at her, right like the momentwhen the dad's like, is she pregnant?
(33:27):
He's like, would you leave your.
The mother of your grandchildout in the cold?
I look pregnant.
Or like the joke where shewon't stop asking questions.
And he's like, here, if I letyou hold this, will you please shut
up like that.
It just, there's parts, butit's never heard that I find entertaining.
It's what happens around her.
(33:47):
So there's just little thingsthat get on my nerves about the movie,
but there's never enough forme to think it's a bad movie.
So four and a half for me.
I'll definitely watch it again.
Question before we finish this.
Have either of you watched theTV show on Disney plus?
No, I haven't either.
But now I think I don't watch.
Disney plus TV shows.
That's fair.
I might have to.
(34:08):
Well, I was gonna say I wasn't.
I never had any intention to,but then watching this movie again
was like, now I think I gottawatch it just to see how good it
is.
I'm sure it's terrible, but Imay give it a try.
So give it a spin.
Yep, there it is.
First movie of Our Julypatriotic films is a good way to
start.
Alec, tell everybody wherethey can find us.
(34:30):
Happy to like JJ said week oneJuly in the books and unfortunately
week one of July.
Matson's got one point.
Patreon is a place to getinvolved with the podcast closely.
We have votes that go up everymonth for movies topics and the voting
is absolutely free.
So hop on there, join up.
(34:50):
You guys can vote and be apart of the the podcast content creating
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You know, special shout out toour patrons, Chris or not Chris Rich
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You two guys together there.
I'm sorry about that.
Hope you can forgive me.
But those two guys are theones who are, you know, they're our
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(35:15):
and a bit for a little bit there.
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With that I will kick it backto the wazir of wap, the Mauling
(35:37):
Monarch.
It's been a while so I usethat one.
Jj.
That's right.
Thanks Alec.
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