November 10, 2025 • 38 mins
The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the cinematic exploration of the film "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves," a motion picture released in 1991 that has garnered a significant amount of both admiration and criticism over the years. We delve into the juxtaposition of the film's intended dramatic narrative against the unintentional comedic elements that have emerged, particularly through the performance of Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham, whose portrayal has become a focal point of enjoyment amidst the film's shortcomings. The discourse further examines the peculiarities of Kevin Costner's performance, his lack of an English accent, and how these aspects contribute to the overall reception of the film. Additionally, we contemplate the film's historical context, character dynamics, and the nostalgic value it holds for audiences, despite its apparent flaws. Ultimately, we arrive at a consensus that, while the film may not align with conventional standards of cinematic excellence, it remains a source of entertainment and laughter, particularly when viewed through the lens of its unintended humor.
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Especially at the ending sceneright where you have that he confronts
like the bishop or whoever itis and the final 30 pieces of silver
to pay the devil, you know,stops him out the window.
I was like, I could see J.J.doing that.
I don't know what your missionpresident was like, but I could see
that happening.
If JJ didn't agree with ohyeah, here you go.
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So there it is.
But let's get into this week.
It's Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.
It was released June 14, 1991.
It was written by Pan BenDensham and John Watson.
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It was directed by Kevin Reynolds.
We have a theme, stars Kevin Costner.
Also a theme.
Morgan Freeman, Mary ElizabethMonstronio, Christian Slater, Alan
Rickman, Geraldine McEwen,Brian Blessed, Michael McShane, Nick
Brimble and Michael Wincott.
It is about Robin Hood whodecides to fight back as an outlaw
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and face with the tyranny ofthe Sheriff of Nottingham.
Somebody was really lazy onthat one.
They were just like, it's a Robin.
Robin Hood.
This is like 53rd Robin Hoodmovie ever.
Yeah.
All by 1991, you know, andit's funny because before I turn
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it over to you, I have tolaugh because we talked about Waterworld
last week and the fact that in1995, Kevin Costner had carte launched
to make whatever movie.
And this was part of theproblem was in 1991, this was a very
successful movie, though we'lltalk about how well it holds up here.
So, Alec, this is again, your pick.
Can't wait to hear what drovethis one.
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So I didn't actually realizethat I picked the same movie for
as Water World.
Just different backdrop andeverything like that.
But, yeah, and I'll say thisone's better, but we have a.
We have the same start, right,where you got like 10, 15 minutes
to kick it off.
Pretty good, right?
You set the scene, you set the story.
You realize what's happeningboth in Jerusalem and back in England.
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And you get this idea thatit's going to be a dark, menacing
kind of drama undertone.
And then Kevin Costner getsinvolved and it shifts and then from
there.
I mean, once again, the mostcompelling performance to me is the
villain, Alan Rickman as thesheriff of Nottingham, Gold.
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And it's.
It's widely known, I guess, orat least widely talked about how
much he went off scriptbecause he knew how bad it was gonna
be and he saved the movie.
But it's.
It's one of those sceneswhere, like, it's.
It's.
I enjoy it.
And it's got a.
It's got a killer song.
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Like, when that epic songcomes on in the credits, you're like.
You're like, let's go.
And then you start off, youget to see, you know, the part of
the Crusades that's talkedabout but never mentioned where,
you know, he's captured.
He's in the holding cell below Jerusalem.
Got all these things, and yousee, you know, his family home getting
taken away.
And you.
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You get to see that aspect of it.
And it.
It looks like this is going tobe that blockbuster generational
hit based on the first, like,10, 15 minutes of it.
And then it just.
It just goes down and it justgets worse and worse.
And there's.
There's a few moments in therethat are pretty cool, and they're
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pretty much tied to wheneverthat song is playing or Alan Rickman
is on screen.
Like, that's cool.
But the.
The.
The most egregious sin wherewe'll just get this out of the way
first is Kevin Costner noteven trying for an English accent
with a rock and hood.
Yeah.
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So much so that they.
They made an entire parody ofthis film.
And that was pretty much thetagline or what it was built around
is speaking with an English accent.
Oh, yeah.
Or at least trying to.
And so it's.
It's.
Again, it was around the sametime that I saw Waterworld, so around
that, like, age of Adventure,spirit of adventure type thing.
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And so I enjoy it, but there'sso many problems with this.
And it turns into like, youknow, the Robin Hood story is supposed
to be funny, right?
It's Robin Hood and his merry men.
You're supposed to have funnymoments in there.
But I should not be gigglinguncontrollably throughout Robin Hood's
film and story because again, the.
The.
The story itself is not afunny story.
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Yeah.
You know, this.
This coup that's happening atthe same time that you're taxing
the poor and, you know allthis stuff and it's.
It's not a very enjoyablestory or a funny story to begin with,
but it.
I just cackle the entire time.
Oh, yeah.
And even your menacing Guy ofGisborne character, who I like the
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casting form.
Yeah, Right.
Voice and everything is.
He's a sideshow kind of character.
And it's just funny.
Funny.
Like it's not supposed to be.
He's supposed to be thismenacing and they got the right guy
for it.
But he doesn't get to showthis kind of very menacing factor.
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Instead, he's talking about nowhen he's when.
Because even the intro whereyou see him and he's chasing Wolf
down, like menacing dude.
And then he makes that commentabout, like being stuck in a tree
or deer can't climb trees, Ithink is what it is.
You're just like, dude, whowrote this?
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Yeah, it's terrible.
It's terrible.
And it just gets worse andworse and worse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This one's a tricky one for mebecause much like Waterworld for
you, had some nostalgia.
This one has nostalgia becauseI was young.
I was younger.
How about that?
So when this one came out, Iwas 10 years old.
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And it's amazing thedifference that four years can make
in your perception of a movie.
And.
And so funny story on this onethat has very little to do with the
movie, but it's very funny.
So when I was 10 years old, Iwas living in Ohio and my family,
as you know, grew up very lds.
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Okay.
I've not been since Mo I wasyoung, but my family was right.
And there was a.
And I'm not gonna say theirname, but there was a family that
grew up with my dad, one of mydad's best friends growing up.
And they were.
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When I think of the signatureor like the, you know, the, the tent
pole LDS family, this is thefamily I think of.
And not in a bad way.
Right.
Like, right.
I. I poo poo the church allthe time.
I poo poo religion in general.
Let's not say I poo poo at the.
Just the LDS church.
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I poo poo ld religion in general.
We both do.
Yeah.
But when I think of like the,the staple LDS family in the best
possible way, meaning theylive the values of this church.
They believe in it.
They're not pompous about it.
Like, they're not shitty human beings.
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They're still very good people.
They're trying to.
And they do try to educate youabout the church, but they just are
very good kind in family.
Large family.
This family, their goal wasalways to have 12 kids minimum.
And they were close when evenI was a kid.
I think they had like five orsix at the time when I was 10.
And they ended up, I think,having a full dozen kids anyway,
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they.
And.
And they were all.
And so.
And then their oldest daughterwas my age.
And so these families grew up together.
So it was always like thisrunning joke that we were going to
connect these families.
Right.
This girl and me.
Right.
And listen, she was wonderfuland I had a crush on her when I was
a little kid.
And as we grew up, like, Ithink the worst thing that they ever
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did was push that narrative somuch that I was just like, there's
no way I could ever even if Iwanted to.
And then we moved away.
So it didn't matter.
But it was very interesting.
So I was over at this family's house.
My parents were off doing something.
So we.
I stayed with this family.
Okay, well back then, when Iwas 10, like it was a big deal.
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We'll go rent a movie and comeback and watch it as a family.
So I had seen.
My family had rented thismovie when I was.
I mean, I had to have been 11at the time when it.
We rented it.
Well.
And I didn't know any better.
Right.
Like, so you brought the devilinto the household, dude.
So we, we go.
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I had watched this movie and Ididn't remember the fact that mean
your memory as a kid isn'tthat strong that my parents had covered
my eyes or they had distractedme during certain parts.
And I didn't know what thehell they were saying when I was.
You know what I'm saying?
So anyway, I didn't get the.
The.
The innuendo jokes.
So we go to the.
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The, you know, theBlockbuster, I think it was, or the
local rental joint, and we'rewalking around and I was like, oh,
this movie was really funny.
And they're like, oh, did youwatch that with your parents?
I'm like, yeah.
So they immediately thought,clear, safe, right?
Well, they had.
We were the oldest.
Me and.
Me and this.
And their daughter were theoldest of the kids at 11 years old,
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right?
So the rest were younger.
And we all sit around as afamily and start watching this movie,
and all of a sudden I start.
And again, I'm too young toeven really understand that I should
be embarrassed by the factthat this really strong LDS faithful
family is now watching handsget chopped off and like, yeah, Kevin
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Costner's ass, like 10fthalfway through the movie.
And yeah.
By the end of it, like, and then.
So I didn't know, but I couldtell it was really weird because,
like, the.
The patriarch of this family,he asked me at one point, you watch
this with your parents?
And I was like, yeah, yeah, 100.
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And I could see this, like,look on him and his wife's face,
like, okay.
You know, and I mean, there's a.
There's an attempted SA inthis, you know, I mean, there's just
so many things that don't fitthe narrative of this really strong
LDS family.
Right?
But it was PG 13, so we didn't.
Or it was PG even, I think.
I don't know.
I don't know, because it's the80s or 90s.
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Yeah, it was early 90s, so Idon't even know that, like, PG13
was such a rarity anyway.
So it was just like, really,It's a funny story.
Like, this is part of, like,why I remember this movie fondly,
because looking back on itnow, I'm like, they had to have been
so uncomfortable.
Oh, 100.
And their kids are.
We.
We didn't know what the hellwe were watching.
So, like, it was funny to usbecause all we got was the surface
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level jokes, right?
Like, we didn't understand thesexual innuendo and the violence
and the cursing.
And we didn't know so.
Because we were raised in thissheltered little community at the
time in this backwater city,you know, town in Ohio.
So anyway, it was funny.
I always think about this.
And then the other Thing Ithink about is that that Brian Adams
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song dominated the airwavesfor at least a year, if not long.
I mean it's still played in atweddings and dances and you know,
it's this long ass song.
Really great song, but yeah,like it.
Yeah.
That's where my memory goes.
But this, I have a very fondmemory of this film versus Waterworld
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where I was like, this movie sucks.
Well, it's, it's interestingtoo because like the, it's a tough
one because there's so manylike really funny moments.
Like the one that cracks me upis the two reoccurring outlaws that
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are just dumb.
As dumb as a stump.
Right.
And you know, they're sittingthere and how many are there?
There's five.
Right.
You can't count them anyway.
Yeah.
Or you take the one on the left.
Which one's the left, and heholds up his right hand and then
it's like it just continues on.
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So there's plenty of momentswhere I'm laughing.
Right.
That I know were intended.
Right.
Like these jokes are intended.
This is the, the part of theRobin Hood story is supposed to be
funny.
Mary man.
Outlaws and stuff like that.
Yeah.
But then it's the, the onethat's, the ones that get me are,
is Alan Rickman.
Oh yeah, right.
Like e. Like just the, justevery single time he's on the screen.
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Right.
The cancel Christmas line.
Oh yeah.
And he can't do it.
Or the, he's walking by and hesees the stitch marks drawn on his.
You and he, he stops to scrubhim off.
And then even like youmentioned, like there is an essay,
attempted essay in this.
But even that is kind of funnyin a way because he grabs a pillow
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to like put behind her headand so it's like it's, it's not funny.
But at the same time thecircumstances and the situation and
the way that he does it, likeyou're sitting there going, oh, that
was kind of nice of him.
Right?
Yeah, attempting.
And so that's the, that's thething where it comes at like where
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it's not supposed to be funny.
Yeah.
Like Alan Rickman takes overand he kills it.
Oh yeah.
It just, it becomes nowinstead of being like this drama
with funny bits in interlacedin it, it becomes a comedy surrounding
Alan Rickman.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's, it's notsupposed to happen.
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But I, I cackle every singletime he's on the screen.
Yeah.
Because he's so good.
And he just decided, you know,I. I can write lines better than
this.
I know what I'm doing.
I'm.
You know, I'm.
I'm amazing, pretty much.
And I'm gonna fix this movie.
And by fixing it, he.
He did well for himself, buthe almost ruins the movie.
Yeah.
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No, now, once again, it's.
I don't want Robin Hood to win.
I want the Sheriff to win.
Because he's funny.
Yeah, yeah.
Like that same.
I was thinking the same thing.
Like the line where he's like,yeah, the attempted essay is happening.
And he's like, how am Isupposed to concentrate with all
that racket going on?
And I'm just like, what the.
Is happening right now?
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Because as an adult, I now understand.
I'm like, this is morbid, but,like, you can't help but kind of
giggle a little bit.
And it's a movie that would.
In the way it's made now,could never get made today.
No.
But it's, like, so interestingand at the time, like, it was a very
successful movie financiallyand continued to push, you know,
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Kevin Costner's career.
And I'm sorry, but.
And I've said this before,Kevin Costner in this time frame,
outside of comedy was terrible.
Like, I hated Kevin Costnerback then.
Be accepting comedies like Tincup or, you know, things where he
was being like, his silly,weird awkwardness works.
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Whereas in this, when he'strying to be this charismatic thief
that everybody loves, I'mlike, you're dull and bland.
And the more most interestingpart of your crew is Little John
and Aim, who I.
How they got freaking.
It just blows my mind that thecast around.
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And this is a typical.
I've said this before aboutCostner, though, is that Costner
films.
The funny part about him islike, the surrounding cast, the thing,
the people he brings in aroundhim are way better at acting.
Oh, he is.
And they make films now as anolder man.
Like, he did the show Yellowstone.
He's great in that.
But that plays to hisstrengths as an older man.
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This movie does not play tohis strengths.
Like, it.
At least the character that heplays in it.
Right.
So it's like, I don't know,it's a struggle.
But yeah, like, man.
Aim's a great character too.
Like, I love, like, yeah.
Christian.
Like, it's just like, get up.
Yeah.
Be faster.
It's amazing.
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And I think of all, like, theadaptations of Robin Hood and that
involve Aim or the characterlikeness of Azim.
He.
This is by far the best.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You know, portrayal of thatand how that, you know, he learned
from him.
But it's also just, like, so bad.
But I mean, it also has greatlines, too.
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Like, there's lines in thismovie that I still use today.
Like, if someone's pissing meoff, I'll cut your heart out with
a spoon.
Yeah.
And then I can't, and I can'thelp myself but finish the line and
go, why a spoon, cousin?
What, on a knife or an ax?
Because it's dull, you twit.
It'll hurt more.
I've been saying that my wholelife, dude.
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Because that line sticks with me.
That combination of lines, right?
Like where he's chasing him,he gets his face.
I cut your heart, dude.
It's great.
But then you're like, but doesit really fit the film and what we're
trying to do here?
Not even a little bit.
No.
But it's what makes this moviesuccessful in spite of itself.
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Right?
So it's just.
It's such a conundrum filmthat you're like, it's so bad.
But at the same time.
And I always put this in thecategory of movies that are so bad,
they're good.
Yeah.
No, it fits perfectly intothere as well.
Yeah.
And the funny part is, is wehave the better Robin Hood in this
movie.
Christian Slater.
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Oh, yeah.
Way better Robin Hood.
He would fit the role perfectly.
He.
Yeah.
Would be phenomenal in it.
And we get him as Will Scarlet in.
In the movie.
So we get some of it.
But I can't help but watchthis and go, you know what would
be really cool is if ChristianSlater was Robin Hood.
Yeah.
And then the interactions withthe sheriff, you get to have a little
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bit more of, I think, back andforth dialogue where you have this
banter versus with Costner andRickman, you get kind of like the.
The sheriff setting up allthese things, and Costner comes back
with his melodramatic, youknow, like, do Gooder kind of for
the people vibe.
And it's like, dude, no, giveme some back and forth, some banter,
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because I. I enjoy Robin Hood stories.
And one of my favorite moviesof all time is the Errol Flynn one
way back in the 1930s.
And you have this banter thatgoes back and forth, and it makes
for a better movie because,you know, it's.
It's not like the, you know, the.
The perfect person.
Right.
It's not the perfect goodversus the perfect evil, which is
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what Costa tries to do with this.
Like, I'm.
I'm so shiny and perfect andrighteous in a way.
And no, it's like Robin Hoodwas still an outlaw, but it was what
he did as an outlaw that.
So he still has thisdisrespect for authority, this kind
of outlaw Persona and everything.
It just so happens that whathe was doing was good for the people.
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And the only reason why he wasdoing it was because it was bad for
the sheriff and everybody else.
Yeah.
And so, like, it's not this,you know, perfect good versus perfect
evil, but that's what, youknow, Costner's almost trying to
do with this.
And it doesn't work as well ashaving this kind of back and forth
going at, you know, you know,give Robin Hood a little more of
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a devil may care attitude.
Yeah.
And that's why I was like,when every single time I watch this,
I'm like, shoot, I would haveloved to see Christian Slater in
Rob and in the role of Robin Hood.
Yeah.
Because then you add in theside characters like you were talking
about Azeem, Little John, andthen you can even throw fire tuck
in there.
Which, watching this for thefirst time after knowing you, I'm
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like, J.J. but you throw allthese other characters into.
And now you actually have yourband of merry men versus what we
get with this is the band ofMary men.
But they're all very properwhen, you know, Robin's around and,
you know, it's.
Yeah.
This kind of thing.
And so that's the.
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That's something that I gethung up quite a bit is like, what.
What could have been and what.
The kind of.
The same theme that happenedwith last week on Water Rules.
Just take Kevin Costner out of it.
Yeah.
Like, I know he's a big name,he's got the headlines, everything
like that, but just, Just takehim out.
Yep.
And we.
We could have incredible movies.
Oh, yeah, it's.
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It's a wild.
Yeah, it's a wild situationwith Costner because he makes all
these popular, like, famous films.
But it's almost again, inspite of him early on anyway.
Right.
Like again later in life, Ithink he figured it out and he kind
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of realized, I need to be inthis role, in that role.
And I fit here and I fitthere, and I can sub circumvent that
a little bit or, you know, goagainst the grain in some cases,
like a.
Like a Mr. What was that movie called?
Where he was the Serial Killer.
Anyway, that's a great one.
And he played that reallywell, but goes against expectations
(22:58):
for him.
But as a younger guy, like, he got.
He got famous and then he wasLike, I can do whatever.
And it didn't work at least 50of the time.
Right.
She wanted to target.
She's telling us, too.
So.
Yeah, it's just.
Yeah, it's.
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It's interesting to bring thatup because that's the.
That's almost perfect.
Is that kind of thing with Costner's.
He's.
He's bad for his.
His own self because he's Mrs.
So frequently.
Yeah.
But I. Yeah.
Me, Fryer Tuck, for sure.
Oh, I was I.
That one.
Oh, yeah.
Clean.
Because he just shows up, bigdude, big beer drinking and singing
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on the wagon.
And especially, you know, yougot the.
Even the disrespect forauthority as well, because you got
guy just horns.
Like, shut up.
Like, we're in Sherwood.
Yeah.
And kind of like, you know,just grumble.
And then, you know, you caneven throw in there at one point
in life at least, you know, religious.
But at the same time.
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Yeah.
Sees the hypocrisy of it allat the same time.
Like.
Yeah.
So I was.
And so especially at theending scene, right, where you have
that he confronts, like, thebishop or whoever it is and the final
30 pieces of silver to pay thedevil, you know.
Yeah.
Toss him out the window.
I was like, I could see J.J.doing that.
I don't know what your missionpresident was like, but I could see
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that happening.
If J.J. didn't agree with.
Oh, yeah, here you go.
Out.
Out the window for sure.
You know, I'll help you pack.
It's one of my favorite scenesin the movie is the.
The back and forth between thetwo of them that you get to see this
one that looks like theperfect representation of, you know,
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the.
The church.
And then you have Tuck, who'sthis, by all intents and purposes,
like, the worst representationand yet does the most good.
Right.
He's the better version.
And watching.
Yeah.
When he's.
I'll help you pack and burn in hell.
And he shoves him out the window.
I'm like, that's a righteouskill right there.
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And so, like, there's momentsin this movie that got really.
Right.
That's one of them.
And then another one is the.
Like when he first shows up tothe Sherwood Floor Forest game.
And it's like, hey, you know,we need.
We need a fryer pretty much.
Or we need.
It's like, okay, you know,like, I got this type of thing.
This is what I was meant for.
These are my people type of a thing.
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Because, you know, he was onhis way or from the Priory or whatever.
And they gave him the job oftransporting stuff because they didn't
want him around.
Yep.
Because he's not the hoitytoity fancy types that would go to
church at this time.
And so you give him the congregation.
That's right up his alley.
And it's like, like, okay.
And then, you know, you canthrow in there.
Another great scene that Ithink they did is actually between.
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What is it?
It's between a zim.
It's when Azeem.
And the whole, like, back andforth about when the guy turned the
baby around.
Yeah.
And, you know, Friar Tuck'scoming in kind of fire, brimstone
type of a thing.
And then afterwards, he's gotthat kind of moment where he's like,
okay, you did know what youwere doing.
(26:13):
That's.
That's my bad.
Yeah.
Type thing.
So there's several scenes withFriar Tuck that they did so well,
and it's unfortunate that theywere just in this movie because.
Yeah, it's.
It's.
It's not the greatest backdropfor some of these amazing scenes.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
There are some really goodcharacters and really good moments
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in this movie.
And I think that's the onlyreason that it didn't get the same,
you know, stigma thatWaterworld did.
Right.
Like, there was enoughunderstanding because, listen, I
saw this movie.
I was excited for this moviebecause Robin Hood's one of my favorite
stories of all time.
Like, and it, ironically, itcomes from as a little kid watching
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the Disney version.
You know what I mean?
The little cartoon.
Like, I still could sing allthe songs.
Like, I love that version.
But then it grew with me.
And even as an adult, like, ifsomebody makes a Robin Hood movie,
I'm gonna watch it, because Ilove that idea and that story.
And.
And so I watched this movieand I enjoyed it because of what
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it was.
And then there was the momentsand, like, I love the interaction.
I'm with you.
Like, I think Will Scarlett isthe most charismatic guy in this
whole thing, other than maybeLittle John.
I love him, too.
Like, I always look because healso played Sir Ector in A Knight's
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Tale.
So I'm always like, oh, let'scheck it out.
But anyway, I. Yeah, I mean,there's just so much that is good
about it that it does haveredeeming qualities to it, no matter
how bad the actual movie isfrom a filmmaking or.
You know, but it's.
It's all on Costner at that point.
Right.
It's not everything else.
You're like, man, this is Agreat movie if it to your point,
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didn't have Kevin Costner init, so.
But yeah, it's.
I don't know.
It's a tricky one.
It's a tricky one, but it hassome great moments.
And I do laugh my ass off whenthey catapult them over the wall.
Oh, yeah.
It's hilarious.
Me.
They cleared it.
It's just some great lines.
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I also enjoy the moment too,when Will Scarlet re reveals himself,
you know, to Rob, like, I'myour brother, dude.
Like.
And it has that moment of verypoignancy that's like, why didn't
you tell me?
Like, this could have been awhole lot different.
Yeah.
We could have just let me know.
Skip this whole process.
Yeah.
And not had this whole thingbe a mess.
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But.
And then, you know, Marion.
Oh, what's the actress thatplays Marion?
She's amazing.
Mary Elizabeth.
Master Antonio.
I love her in the.
The Abyss later on, but, like,she's great.
Alan Rickman just chews upevery scene he's in.
It's phenomenal.
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Yeah.
Like, Morgan Freeman is amazing.
It's.
Yeah.
Everything's so good exceptfor some of the dialogue and then
everything that has to do withCostner for the most part, so.
And like, the.
Even the story's a littledisjointed, like, sure.
Again, scene that's notsupposed to be funny, but I die laughing
every time is when the.
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They bring in the Celts toattack the.
The forest.
Yeah.
And it's like Stone Age Celts, right?
Yeah.
It's like 12, 1300 A.D. yeah.
They're not wearing animalskins anymore.
No.
I don't think they're evenreally using woad anymore, but.
Stupid.
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They bring them in and I'mjust laughing.
Especially the guy on thehorse who's just walking around with
like, you know, helm hammerhands, hammer bopping people.
Seriously.
This is so funny.
And then to like, piggybackoff it, right?
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Where they.
The scene where they're nowgoing to rescue everybody.
Right.
And they give the shortest guythere, like the kelp outfit.
Yeah.
He's.
Dude's like 410.
And the sea of people ispartying because he's just like.
Like, you put little John inthere, big guy.
Right.
You might have a better chanceof it.
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But I'm dying because he'sjust standing by the gate and dude
can.
Has to like, reach up to getthe rope.
He just looked like a littledwarf out there.
And they're all.
They're all scared becausehe's dressed like a Kelp.
Yeah, I was.
So it's.
It's little things like thatthat almost ruin the great character
(30:53):
performances.
Yeah.
Because we miss out on so muchor it just, it's just so disjointing
that, you know, by the time weget to this, you know, kind of breakout
scene and we got the fireexplosions like that, like, as cool
as that is, I'm also just kindof giggling.
Oh, yeah.
Because right before that, youknow, it's Friar Tucking the leprosy
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comment.
Right.
Is this your finger?
And so it almost suffers from,you know, what is this exactly supposed
to be?
Because I think if they pickeddrama, it would have been really
good.
I think if they picked comedy,it'd be really good.
But it started out as a dramathat, you know, is almost found out
the comedy was more successfulor it's going to be more or easier
(31:38):
to do.
And so it flip flopped in the middle.
Yeah.
So it's.
But it's still something thatI sit down, I.
And I just enjoy.
And I swear, hearing that songcome on when the credits start to
go through, I'm like, yeah,let's go.
Yeah.
It's weird how a love song,like, get y' all pumped up in this
movie.
Yeah, he does.
Well.
And they got some huge names.
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I mean, I wonder how much theypaid Sean connery for his 30 seconds
freaking lion Richard theLionheart cameo.
Like, and then I also wonder too.
I've always been like, where'sPrince John in this whole.
Because, like, in the actualstory, like, that's.
That's where the coup's coming from.
Like, yeah, he's just, he'sutilizing the sheriff, but where's
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Prince John in all this?
But.
And maybe it was just like, wedon't have the budget space for one
more character to be in hereand convolute this story any further.
But yeah, it's a tricky onefor me because like I said, there's
a ton of nostalgia for thisone for me.
And then there's some reallygreat, genuinely good stuff that
happens in this movie.
It's mixed in with the, like,what the is going on.
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And there is some funny actionto, like that.
That iconic scene where it'son the screen right there below us
to a degree, like where he.
That explosion happens as hefires into the guy that's about to
kill Will Scarlett.
You're like, okay, that wasdope looking.
Yeah.
And they, But.
(33:08):
And then they, they launchedhim over the wall and you're like,
that looked like it would kill you.
Yeah.
Especially because I thinkthey opened the gate like a grand
total of 10 seconds later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like one.
I'm like, the trajectory of that.
They went pretty high.
Pretty sure that catapultlooked like I would have thrown them
right into the wall.
But yeah, you know, whatever.
(33:30):
It is what it is.
Yeah.
All right, should we rate it?
Let's do it.
All right, guy, you're up again.
My movie.
I think I'm gonna go three.
So it is a better movie than Waterworld.
It still is funny when it'snot supposed to be.
And I, I blame.
Right in air quotes.
Blame Alan Rickman for thatbecause everything he does is funny.
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I honestly could do withoutthe witch portion.
Yeah, like that.
That was weird to me.
Aside from whenever she'sinteracting with Alan Rickman.
And so three, I will watch it again.
It's an enjoyable watch.
I'll sit down and I'll watchthis pretty much anytime.
But I do so knowing that I'm gonna.
I'm gonna laugh hilariously ata Robin Hood movie.
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And then there are parts whereI'm gonna tune out and not care,
care because it just.
It doesn't help.
The storyline doesn't fit it.
It's not as enjoyable.
And so it's one again, one ofthose movies where I sit down thinking,
man, I wish the sheriff winsthis Robin Hood fight.
Like, you're never supposed tothink that.
But he.
Alan Rickman does such agreat, you know, job at being a likable
(34:40):
villain and being funny and,you know, moving the story along
that you're like, dude, Ireally wish she, you know, I really
wish he wins because that's cool.
The sarcasm, the one linersand everything just boils it down.
But I. I'm gonna give it a 3.
I will watch it again.
But it's.
It's definitely funny when itshouldn't be.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm gonna be right therewith you.
I'm gonna give it a three.
Two.
And I think it's one of thosethings where I've said this a million
times about a bunch of movies,but when it's really good, it's really
good.
But when it's bad, Jesus, isit bad?
And it's kind of got a weirdbalance of good and bad, but it.
So it works in a lot of wayswhere it doesn't work in just as
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many.
And so it's tricky.
But there is a level ofnostalgia for me for the time frame
and when I saw it first andthe fact that it's a Robin Hood film
in general and that there aresome, like I said, some very entertaining
parts.
And to your point, it wasnever, I don't think meant to be
a comedy, but God, it workedout as a really good one in a lot
of ways.
And Alan Rickman, as he hashis whole, he, how he, as he did
(35:45):
his whole career, just stealsscenes and becomes a major focal
point of this movie.
To your point that you'relike, I.
This might be the one time Iwant Robin Hood to lose.
Like, yeah, because I kind ofwant to see this guy run the country
of England because what acountry it would be like, you know
what I mean?
So it's.
Yeah, but I mean, it, it fitsthe theme perfectly of a movie that
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was not intended to be funny,that turns out to be quite hilarious
in a lot of ways and endingsome really good moments.
And there's a lot to loveabout the movie and a lot to hate,
but I will definitely watch it again.
But yeah, a solid three for me.
Like, it's, it has, it'sentertaining in, in all the right
ways.
And so, yeah, good stuff.
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It's Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.
It was released June 14, 1991.
It was written by Pan BenDensham and John Watson.
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It was directed by Kevin Reynolds.
We have a theme, stars Kevin Costner.
Also a theme.
Morgan Freeman, Mary ElizabethMonstronio, Christian Slater, Alan
Rickman, Geraldine McEwen,Brian Blessed, Michael McShane, Nick
Brimble and Michael Wincott.
It is about Robin Hood whodecides to fight back as an outlaw
(02:30):
and face with the tyranny ofthe Sheriff of Nottingham.
Somebody was really lazy onthat one.
They were just like, it's a Robin.
Robin Hood.
This is like 53rd Robin Hoodmovie ever.
Yeah.
All by 1991, you know, andit's funny because before I turn
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it over to you, I have tolaugh because we talked about Waterworld
last week and the fact that in1995, Kevin Costner had carte launched
to make whatever movie.
And this was part of theproblem was in 1991, this was a very
successful movie, though we'lltalk about how well it holds up here.
So, Alec, this is again, your pick.
Can't wait to hear what drovethis one.
(03:14):
So I didn't actually realizethat I picked the same movie for
as Water World.
Just different backdrop andeverything like that.
But, yeah, and I'll say thisone's better, but we have a.
We have the same start, right,where you got like 10, 15 minutes
to kick it off.
Pretty good, right?
You set the scene, you set the story.
You realize what's happeningboth in Jerusalem and back in England.
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And you get this idea thatit's going to be a dark, menacing
kind of drama undertone.
And then Kevin Costner getsinvolved and it shifts and then from
there.
I mean, once again, the mostcompelling performance to me is the
villain, Alan Rickman as thesheriff of Nottingham, Gold.
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And it's.
It's widely known, I guess, orat least widely talked about how
much he went off scriptbecause he knew how bad it was gonna
be and he saved the movie.
But it's.
It's one of those sceneswhere, like, it's.
It's.
I enjoy it.
And it's got a.
It's got a killer song.
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Like, when that epic songcomes on in the credits, you're like.
You're like, let's go.
And then you start off, youget to see, you know, the part of
the Crusades that's talkedabout but never mentioned where,
you know, he's captured.
He's in the holding cell below Jerusalem.
Got all these things, and yousee, you know, his family home getting
taken away.
And you.
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You get to see that aspect of it.
And it.
It looks like this is going tobe that blockbuster generational
hit based on the first, like,10, 15 minutes of it.
And then it just.
It just goes down and it justgets worse and worse.
And there's.
There's a few moments in therethat are pretty cool, and they're
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pretty much tied to wheneverthat song is playing or Alan Rickman
is on screen.
Like, that's cool.
But the.
The.
The most egregious sin wherewe'll just get this out of the way
first is Kevin Costner noteven trying for an English accent
with a rock and hood.
Yeah.
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So much so that they.
They made an entire parody ofthis film.
And that was pretty much thetagline or what it was built around
is speaking with an English accent.
Oh, yeah.
Or at least trying to.
And so it's.
It's.
Again, it was around the sametime that I saw Waterworld, so around
that, like, age of Adventure,spirit of adventure type thing.
(05:46):
And so I enjoy it, but there'sso many problems with this.
And it turns into like, youknow, the Robin Hood story is supposed
to be funny, right?
It's Robin Hood and his merry men.
You're supposed to have funnymoments in there.
But I should not be gigglinguncontrollably throughout Robin Hood's
film and story because again, the.
The.
The story itself is not afunny story.
(06:10):
Yeah.
You know, this.
This coup that's happening atthe same time that you're taxing
the poor and, you know allthis stuff and it's.
It's not a very enjoyablestory or a funny story to begin with,
but it.
I just cackle the entire time.
Oh, yeah.
And even your menacing Guy ofGisborne character, who I like the
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casting form.
Yeah, Right.
Voice and everything is.
He's a sideshow kind of character.
And it's just funny.
Funny.
Like it's not supposed to be.
He's supposed to be thismenacing and they got the right guy
for it.
But he doesn't get to showthis kind of very menacing factor.
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Instead, he's talking about nowhen he's when.
Because even the intro whereyou see him and he's chasing Wolf
down, like menacing dude.
And then he makes that commentabout, like being stuck in a tree
or deer can't climb trees, Ithink is what it is.
You're just like, dude, whowrote this?
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Yeah, it's terrible.
It's terrible.
And it just gets worse andworse and worse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This one's a tricky one for mebecause much like Waterworld for
you, had some nostalgia.
This one has nostalgia becauseI was young.
I was younger.
How about that?
So when this one came out, Iwas 10 years old.
(07:35):
And it's amazing thedifference that four years can make
in your perception of a movie.
And.
And so funny story on this onethat has very little to do with the
movie, but it's very funny.
So when I was 10 years old, Iwas living in Ohio and my family,
as you know, grew up very lds.
(07:55):
Okay.
I've not been since Mo I wasyoung, but my family was right.
And there was a.
And I'm not gonna say theirname, but there was a family that
grew up with my dad, one of mydad's best friends growing up.
And they were.
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When I think of the signatureor like the, you know, the, the tent
pole LDS family, this is thefamily I think of.
And not in a bad way.
Right.
Like, right.
I. I poo poo the church allthe time.
I poo poo religion in general.
Let's not say I poo poo at the.
Just the LDS church.
(08:37):
I poo poo ld religion in general.
We both do.
Yeah.
But when I think of like the,the staple LDS family in the best
possible way, meaning theylive the values of this church.
They believe in it.
They're not pompous about it.
Like, they're not shitty human beings.
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They're still very good people.
They're trying to.
And they do try to educate youabout the church, but they just are
very good kind in family.
Large family.
This family, their goal wasalways to have 12 kids minimum.
And they were close when evenI was a kid.
I think they had like five orsix at the time when I was 10.
And they ended up, I think,having a full dozen kids anyway,
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they.
And.
And they were all.
And so.
And then their oldest daughterwas my age.
And so these families grew up together.
So it was always like thisrunning joke that we were going to
connect these families.
Right.
This girl and me.
Right.
And listen, she was wonderfuland I had a crush on her when I was
a little kid.
And as we grew up, like, Ithink the worst thing that they ever
(09:43):
did was push that narrative somuch that I was just like, there's
no way I could ever even if Iwanted to.
And then we moved away.
So it didn't matter.
But it was very interesting.
So I was over at this family's house.
My parents were off doing something.
So we.
I stayed with this family.
Okay, well back then, when Iwas 10, like it was a big deal.
(10:03):
We'll go rent a movie and comeback and watch it as a family.
So I had seen.
My family had rented thismovie when I was.
I mean, I had to have been 11at the time when it.
We rented it.
Well.
And I didn't know any better.
Right.
Like, so you brought the devilinto the household, dude.
So we, we go.
(10:24):
I had watched this movie and Ididn't remember the fact that mean
your memory as a kid isn'tthat strong that my parents had covered
my eyes or they had distractedme during certain parts.
And I didn't know what thehell they were saying when I was.
You know what I'm saying?
So anyway, I didn't get the.
The.
The innuendo jokes.
So we go to the.
(10:45):
The, you know, theBlockbuster, I think it was, or the
local rental joint, and we'rewalking around and I was like, oh,
this movie was really funny.
And they're like, oh, did youwatch that with your parents?
I'm like, yeah.
So they immediately thought,clear, safe, right?
Well, they had.
We were the oldest.
Me and.
Me and this.
And their daughter were theoldest of the kids at 11 years old,
(11:07):
right?
So the rest were younger.
And we all sit around as afamily and start watching this movie,
and all of a sudden I start.
And again, I'm too young toeven really understand that I should
be embarrassed by the factthat this really strong LDS faithful
family is now watching handsget chopped off and like, yeah, Kevin
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Costner's ass, like 10fthalfway through the movie.
And yeah.
By the end of it, like, and then.
So I didn't know, but I couldtell it was really weird because,
like, the.
The patriarch of this family,he asked me at one point, you watch
this with your parents?
And I was like, yeah, yeah, 100.
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And I could see this, like,look on him and his wife's face,
like, okay.
You know, and I mean, there's a.
There's an attempted SA inthis, you know, I mean, there's just
so many things that don't fitthe narrative of this really strong
LDS family.
Right?
But it was PG 13, so we didn't.
Or it was PG even, I think.
I don't know.
I don't know, because it's the80s or 90s.
(12:14):
Yeah, it was early 90s, so Idon't even know that, like, PG13
was such a rarity anyway.
So it was just like, really,It's a funny story.
Like, this is part of, like,why I remember this movie fondly,
because looking back on itnow, I'm like, they had to have been
so uncomfortable.
Oh, 100.
And their kids are.
We.
We didn't know what the hellwe were watching.
So, like, it was funny to usbecause all we got was the surface
(12:37):
level jokes, right?
Like, we didn't understand thesexual innuendo and the violence
and the cursing.
And we didn't know so.
Because we were raised in thissheltered little community at the
time in this backwater city,you know, town in Ohio.
So anyway, it was funny.
I always think about this.
And then the other Thing Ithink about is that that Brian Adams
(12:57):
song dominated the airwavesfor at least a year, if not long.
I mean it's still played in atweddings and dances and you know,
it's this long ass song.
Really great song, but yeah,like it.
Yeah.
That's where my memory goes.
But this, I have a very fondmemory of this film versus Waterworld
(13:19):
where I was like, this movie sucks.
Well, it's, it's interestingtoo because like the, it's a tough
one because there's so manylike really funny moments.
Like the one that cracks me upis the two reoccurring outlaws that
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are just dumb.
As dumb as a stump.
Right.
And you know, they're sittingthere and how many are there?
There's five.
Right.
You can't count them anyway.
Yeah.
Or you take the one on the left.
Which one's the left, and heholds up his right hand and then
it's like it just continues on.
(14:01):
So there's plenty of momentswhere I'm laughing.
Right.
That I know were intended.
Right.
Like these jokes are intended.
This is the, the part of theRobin Hood story is supposed to be
funny.
Mary man.
Outlaws and stuff like that.
Yeah.
But then it's the, the onethat's, the ones that get me are,
is Alan Rickman.
Oh yeah, right.
Like e. Like just the, justevery single time he's on the screen.
(14:23):
Right.
The cancel Christmas line.
Oh yeah.
And he can't do it.
Or the, he's walking by and hesees the stitch marks drawn on his.
You and he, he stops to scrubhim off.
And then even like youmentioned, like there is an essay,
attempted essay in this.
But even that is kind of funnyin a way because he grabs a pillow
(14:45):
to like put behind her headand so it's like it's, it's not funny.
But at the same time thecircumstances and the situation and
the way that he does it, likeyou're sitting there going, oh, that
was kind of nice of him.
Right?
Yeah, attempting.
And so that's the, that's thething where it comes at like where
(15:07):
it's not supposed to be funny.
Yeah.
Like Alan Rickman takes overand he kills it.
Oh yeah.
It just, it becomes nowinstead of being like this drama
with funny bits in interlacedin it, it becomes a comedy surrounding
Alan Rickman.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's, it's notsupposed to happen.
(15:29):
But I, I cackle every singletime he's on the screen.
Yeah.
Because he's so good.
And he just decided, you know,I. I can write lines better than
this.
I know what I'm doing.
I'm.
You know, I'm.
I'm amazing, pretty much.
And I'm gonna fix this movie.
And by fixing it, he.
He did well for himself, buthe almost ruins the movie.
Yeah.
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No, now, once again, it's.
I don't want Robin Hood to win.
I want the Sheriff to win.
Because he's funny.
Yeah, yeah.
Like that same.
I was thinking the same thing.
Like the line where he's like,yeah, the attempted essay is happening.
And he's like, how am Isupposed to concentrate with all
that racket going on?
And I'm just like, what the.
Is happening right now?
(16:10):
Because as an adult, I now understand.
I'm like, this is morbid, but,like, you can't help but kind of
giggle a little bit.
And it's a movie that would.
In the way it's made now,could never get made today.
No.
But it's, like, so interestingand at the time, like, it was a very
successful movie financiallyand continued to push, you know,
(16:32):
Kevin Costner's career.
And I'm sorry, but.
And I've said this before,Kevin Costner in this time frame,
outside of comedy was terrible.
Like, I hated Kevin Costnerback then.
Be accepting comedies like Tincup or, you know, things where he
was being like, his silly,weird awkwardness works.
(16:53):
Whereas in this, when he'strying to be this charismatic thief
that everybody loves, I'mlike, you're dull and bland.
And the more most interestingpart of your crew is Little John
and Aim, who I.
How they got freaking.
It just blows my mind that thecast around.
(17:16):
And this is a typical.
I've said this before aboutCostner, though, is that Costner
films.
The funny part about him islike, the surrounding cast, the thing,
the people he brings in aroundhim are way better at acting.
Oh, he is.
And they make films now as anolder man.
Like, he did the show Yellowstone.
He's great in that.
But that plays to hisstrengths as an older man.
(17:37):
This movie does not play tohis strengths.
Like, it.
At least the character that heplays in it.
Right.
So it's like, I don't know,it's a struggle.
But yeah, like, man.
Aim's a great character too.
Like, I love, like, yeah.
Christian.
Like, it's just like, get up.
Yeah.
Be faster.
It's amazing.
(17:58):
And I think of all, like, theadaptations of Robin Hood and that
involve Aim or the characterlikeness of Azim.
He.
This is by far the best.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You know, portrayal of thatand how that, you know, he learned
from him.
But it's also just, like, so bad.
But I mean, it also has greatlines, too.
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Like, there's lines in thismovie that I still use today.
Like, if someone's pissing meoff, I'll cut your heart out with
a spoon.
Yeah.
And then I can't, and I can'thelp myself but finish the line and
go, why a spoon, cousin?
What, on a knife or an ax?
Because it's dull, you twit.
It'll hurt more.
I've been saying that my wholelife, dude.
(18:40):
Because that line sticks with me.
That combination of lines, right?
Like where he's chasing him,he gets his face.
I cut your heart, dude.
It's great.
But then you're like, but doesit really fit the film and what we're
trying to do here?
Not even a little bit.
No.
But it's what makes this moviesuccessful in spite of itself.
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Right?
So it's just.
It's such a conundrum filmthat you're like, it's so bad.
But at the same time.
And I always put this in thecategory of movies that are so bad,
they're good.
Yeah.
No, it fits perfectly intothere as well.
Yeah.
And the funny part is, is wehave the better Robin Hood in this
movie.
Christian Slater.
(19:22):
Oh, yeah.
Way better Robin Hood.
He would fit the role perfectly.
He.
Yeah.
Would be phenomenal in it.
And we get him as Will Scarlet in.
In the movie.
So we get some of it.
But I can't help but watchthis and go, you know what would
be really cool is if ChristianSlater was Robin Hood.
Yeah.
And then the interactions withthe sheriff, you get to have a little
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bit more of, I think, back andforth dialogue where you have this
banter versus with Costner andRickman, you get kind of like the.
The sheriff setting up allthese things, and Costner comes back
with his melodramatic, youknow, like, do Gooder kind of for
the people vibe.
And it's like, dude, no, giveme some back and forth, some banter,
(20:07):
because I. I enjoy Robin Hood stories.
And one of my favorite moviesof all time is the Errol Flynn one
way back in the 1930s.
And you have this banter thatgoes back and forth, and it makes
for a better movie because,you know, it's.
It's not like the, you know, the.
The perfect person.
Right.
It's not the perfect goodversus the perfect evil, which is
(20:29):
what Costa tries to do with this.
Like, I'm.
I'm so shiny and perfect andrighteous in a way.
And no, it's like Robin Hoodwas still an outlaw, but it was what
he did as an outlaw that.
So he still has thisdisrespect for authority, this kind
of outlaw Persona and everything.
It just so happens that whathe was doing was good for the people.
(20:50):
And the only reason why he wasdoing it was because it was bad for
the sheriff and everybody else.
Yeah.
And so, like, it's not this,you know, perfect good versus perfect
evil, but that's what, youknow, Costner's almost trying to
do with this.
And it doesn't work as well ashaving this kind of back and forth
going at, you know, you know,give Robin Hood a little more of
(21:13):
a devil may care attitude.
Yeah.
And that's why I was like,when every single time I watch this,
I'm like, shoot, I would haveloved to see Christian Slater in
Rob and in the role of Robin Hood.
Yeah.
Because then you add in theside characters like you were talking
about Azeem, Little John, andthen you can even throw fire tuck
in there.
Which, watching this for thefirst time after knowing you, I'm
(21:34):
like, J.J. but you throw allthese other characters into.
And now you actually have yourband of merry men versus what we
get with this is the band ofMary men.
But they're all very properwhen, you know, Robin's around and,
you know, it's.
Yeah.
This kind of thing.
And so that's the.
(21:55):
That's something that I gethung up quite a bit is like, what.
What could have been and what.
The kind of.
The same theme that happenedwith last week on Water Rules.
Just take Kevin Costner out of it.
Yeah.
Like, I know he's a big name,he's got the headlines, everything
like that, but just, Just takehim out.
Yep.
And we.
We could have incredible movies.
Oh, yeah, it's.
(22:17):
It's a wild.
Yeah, it's a wild situationwith Costner because he makes all
these popular, like, famous films.
But it's almost again, inspite of him early on anyway.
Right.
Like again later in life, Ithink he figured it out and he kind
(22:37):
of realized, I need to be inthis role, in that role.
And I fit here and I fitthere, and I can sub circumvent that
a little bit or, you know, goagainst the grain in some cases,
like a.
Like a Mr. What was that movie called?
Where he was the Serial Killer.
Anyway, that's a great one.
And he played that reallywell, but goes against expectations
(22:58):
for him.
But as a younger guy, like, he got.
He got famous and then he wasLike, I can do whatever.
And it didn't work at least 50of the time.
Right.
She wanted to target.
She's telling us, too.
So.
Yeah, it's just.
Yeah, it's.
(23:18):
It's interesting to bring thatup because that's the.
That's almost perfect.
Is that kind of thing with Costner's.
He's.
He's bad for his.
His own self because he's Mrs.
So frequently.
Yeah.
But I. Yeah.
Me, Fryer Tuck, for sure.
Oh, I was I.
That one.
Oh, yeah.
Clean.
Because he just shows up, bigdude, big beer drinking and singing
(23:44):
on the wagon.
And especially, you know, yougot the.
Even the disrespect forauthority as well, because you got
guy just horns.
Like, shut up.
Like, we're in Sherwood.
Yeah.
And kind of like, you know,just grumble.
And then, you know, you caneven throw in there at one point
in life at least, you know, religious.
But at the same time.
(24:05):
Yeah.
Sees the hypocrisy of it allat the same time.
Like.
Yeah.
So I was.
And so especially at theending scene, right, where you have
that he confronts, like, thebishop or whoever it is and the final
30 pieces of silver to pay thedevil, you know.
Yeah.
Toss him out the window.
I was like, I could see J.J.doing that.
I don't know what your missionpresident was like, but I could see
(24:26):
that happening.
If J.J. didn't agree with.
Oh, yeah, here you go.
Out.
Out the window for sure.
You know, I'll help you pack.
It's one of my favorite scenesin the movie is the.
The back and forth between thetwo of them that you get to see this
one that looks like theperfect representation of, you know,
(24:46):
the.
The church.
And then you have Tuck, who'sthis, by all intents and purposes,
like, the worst representationand yet does the most good.
Right.
He's the better version.
And watching.
Yeah.
When he's.
I'll help you pack and burn in hell.
And he shoves him out the window.
I'm like, that's a righteouskill right there.
(25:08):
And so, like, there's momentsin this movie that got really.
Right.
That's one of them.
And then another one is the.
Like when he first shows up tothe Sherwood Floor Forest game.
And it's like, hey, you know,we need.
We need a fryer pretty much.
Or we need.
It's like, okay, you know,like, I got this type of thing.
This is what I was meant for.
These are my people type of a thing.
(25:28):
Because, you know, he was onhis way or from the Priory or whatever.
And they gave him the job oftransporting stuff because they didn't
want him around.
Yep.
Because he's not the hoitytoity fancy types that would go to
church at this time.
And so you give him the congregation.
That's right up his alley.
And it's like, like, okay.
And then, you know, you canthrow in there.
Another great scene that Ithink they did is actually between.
(25:53):
What is it?
It's between a zim.
It's when Azeem.
And the whole, like, back andforth about when the guy turned the
baby around.
Yeah.
And, you know, Friar Tuck'scoming in kind of fire, brimstone
type of a thing.
And then afterwards, he's gotthat kind of moment where he's like,
okay, you did know what youwere doing.
(26:13):
That's.
That's my bad.
Yeah.
Type thing.
So there's several scenes withFriar Tuck that they did so well,
and it's unfortunate that theywere just in this movie because.
Yeah, it's.
It's.
It's not the greatest backdropfor some of these amazing scenes.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
There are some really goodcharacters and really good moments
(26:36):
in this movie.
And I think that's the onlyreason that it didn't get the same,
you know, stigma thatWaterworld did.
Right.
Like, there was enoughunderstanding because, listen, I
saw this movie.
I was excited for this moviebecause Robin Hood's one of my favorite
stories of all time.
Like, and it, ironically, itcomes from as a little kid watching
(26:58):
the Disney version.
You know what I mean?
The little cartoon.
Like, I still could sing allthe songs.
Like, I love that version.
But then it grew with me.
And even as an adult, like, ifsomebody makes a Robin Hood movie,
I'm gonna watch it, because Ilove that idea and that story.
And.
And so I watched this movieand I enjoyed it because of what
(27:20):
it was.
And then there was the momentsand, like, I love the interaction.
I'm with you.
Like, I think Will Scarlett isthe most charismatic guy in this
whole thing, other than maybeLittle John.
I love him, too.
Like, I always look because healso played Sir Ector in A Knight's
(27:40):
Tale.
So I'm always like, oh, let'scheck it out.
But anyway, I. Yeah, I mean,there's just so much that is good
about it that it does haveredeeming qualities to it, no matter
how bad the actual movie isfrom a filmmaking or.
You know, but it's.
It's all on Costner at that point.
Right.
It's not everything else.
You're like, man, this is Agreat movie if it to your point,
(28:02):
didn't have Kevin Costner init, so.
But yeah, it's.
I don't know.
It's a tricky one.
It's a tricky one, but it hassome great moments.
And I do laugh my ass off whenthey catapult them over the wall.
Oh, yeah.
It's hilarious.
Me.
They cleared it.
It's just some great lines.
(28:24):
I also enjoy the moment too,when Will Scarlet re reveals himself,
you know, to Rob, like, I'myour brother, dude.
Like.
And it has that moment of verypoignancy that's like, why didn't
you tell me?
Like, this could have been awhole lot different.
Yeah.
We could have just let me know.
Skip this whole process.
Yeah.
And not had this whole thingbe a mess.
(28:46):
But.
And then, you know, Marion.
Oh, what's the actress thatplays Marion?
She's amazing.
Mary Elizabeth.
Master Antonio.
I love her in the.
The Abyss later on, but, like,she's great.
Alan Rickman just chews upevery scene he's in.
It's phenomenal.
(29:06):
Yeah.
Like, Morgan Freeman is amazing.
It's.
Yeah.
Everything's so good exceptfor some of the dialogue and then
everything that has to do withCostner for the most part, so.
And like, the.
Even the story's a littledisjointed, like, sure.
Again, scene that's notsupposed to be funny, but I die laughing
every time is when the.
(29:27):
They bring in the Celts toattack the.
The forest.
Yeah.
And it's like Stone Age Celts, right?
Yeah.
It's like 12, 1300 A.D. yeah.
They're not wearing animalskins anymore.
No.
I don't think they're evenreally using woad anymore, but.
Stupid.
(29:47):
They bring them in and I'mjust laughing.
Especially the guy on thehorse who's just walking around with
like, you know, helm hammerhands, hammer bopping people.
Seriously.
This is so funny.
And then to like, piggybackoff it, right?
(30:08):
Where they.
The scene where they're nowgoing to rescue everybody.
Right.
And they give the shortest guythere, like the kelp outfit.
Yeah.
He's.
Dude's like 410.
And the sea of people ispartying because he's just like.
Like, you put little John inthere, big guy.
Right.
You might have a better chanceof it.
(30:30):
But I'm dying because he'sjust standing by the gate and dude
can.
Has to like, reach up to getthe rope.
He just looked like a littledwarf out there.
And they're all.
They're all scared becausehe's dressed like a Kelp.
Yeah, I was.
So it's.
It's little things like thatthat almost ruin the great character
(30:53):
performances.
Yeah.
Because we miss out on so muchor it just, it's just so disjointing
that, you know, by the time weget to this, you know, kind of breakout
scene and we got the fireexplosions like that, like, as cool
as that is, I'm also just kindof giggling.
Oh, yeah.
Because right before that, youknow, it's Friar Tucking the leprosy
(31:14):
comment.
Right.
Is this your finger?
And so it almost suffers from,you know, what is this exactly supposed
to be?
Because I think if they pickeddrama, it would have been really
good.
I think if they picked comedy,it'd be really good.
But it started out as a dramathat, you know, is almost found out
the comedy was more successfulor it's going to be more or easier
(31:38):
to do.
And so it flip flopped in the middle.
Yeah.
So it's.
But it's still something thatI sit down, I.
And I just enjoy.
And I swear, hearing that songcome on when the credits start to
go through, I'm like, yeah,let's go.
Yeah.
It's weird how a love song,like, get y' all pumped up in this
movie.
Yeah, he does.
Well.
And they got some huge names.
(31:59):
I mean, I wonder how much theypaid Sean connery for his 30 seconds
freaking lion Richard theLionheart cameo.
Like, and then I also wonder too.
I've always been like, where'sPrince John in this whole.
Because, like, in the actualstory, like, that's.
That's where the coup's coming from.
Like, yeah, he's just, he'sutilizing the sheriff, but where's
(32:24):
Prince John in all this?
But.
And maybe it was just like, wedon't have the budget space for one
more character to be in hereand convolute this story any further.
But yeah, it's a tricky onefor me because like I said, there's
a ton of nostalgia for thisone for me.
And then there's some reallygreat, genuinely good stuff that
happens in this movie.
It's mixed in with the, like,what the is going on.
(32:48):
And there is some funny actionto, like that.
That iconic scene where it'son the screen right there below us
to a degree, like where he.
That explosion happens as hefires into the guy that's about to
kill Will Scarlett.
You're like, okay, that wasdope looking.
Yeah.
And they, But.
(33:08):
And then they, they launchedhim over the wall and you're like,
that looked like it would kill you.
Yeah.
Especially because I thinkthey opened the gate like a grand
total of 10 seconds later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like one.
I'm like, the trajectory of that.
They went pretty high.
Pretty sure that catapultlooked like I would have thrown them
right into the wall.
But yeah, you know, whatever.
(33:30):
It is what it is.
Yeah.
All right, should we rate it?
Let's do it.
All right, guy, you're up again.
My movie.
I think I'm gonna go three.
So it is a better movie than Waterworld.
It still is funny when it'snot supposed to be.
And I, I blame.
Right in air quotes.
Blame Alan Rickman for thatbecause everything he does is funny.
(33:54):
I honestly could do withoutthe witch portion.
Yeah, like that.
That was weird to me.
Aside from whenever she'sinteracting with Alan Rickman.
And so three, I will watch it again.
It's an enjoyable watch.
I'll sit down and I'll watchthis pretty much anytime.
But I do so knowing that I'm gonna.
I'm gonna laugh hilariously ata Robin Hood movie.
(34:16):
And then there are parts whereI'm gonna tune out and not care,
care because it just.
It doesn't help.
The storyline doesn't fit it.
It's not as enjoyable.
And so it's one again, one ofthose movies where I sit down thinking,
man, I wish the sheriff winsthis Robin Hood fight.
Like, you're never supposed tothink that.
But he.
Alan Rickman does such agreat, you know, job at being a likable
(34:40):
villain and being funny and,you know, moving the story along
that you're like, dude, Ireally wish she, you know, I really
wish he wins because that's cool.
The sarcasm, the one linersand everything just boils it down.
But I. I'm gonna give it a 3.
I will watch it again.
But it's.
It's definitely funny when itshouldn't be.
Yeah.
(35:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna be right therewith you.
I'm gonna give it a three.
Two.
And I think it's one of thosethings where I've said this a million
times about a bunch of movies,but when it's really good, it's really
good.
But when it's bad, Jesus, isit bad?
And it's kind of got a weirdbalance of good and bad, but it.
So it works in a lot of wayswhere it doesn't work in just as
(35:22):
many.
And so it's tricky.
But there is a level ofnostalgia for me for the time frame
and when I saw it first andthe fact that it's a Robin Hood film
in general and that there aresome, like I said, some very entertaining
parts.
And to your point, it wasnever, I don't think meant to be
a comedy, but God, it workedout as a really good one in a lot
of ways.
And Alan Rickman, as he hashis whole, he, how he, as he did
(35:45):
his whole career, just stealsscenes and becomes a major focal
point of this movie.
To your point that you'relike, I.
This might be the one time Iwant Robin Hood to lose.
Like, yeah, because I kind ofwant to see this guy run the country
of England because what acountry it would be like, you know
what I mean?
So it's.
Yeah, but I mean, it, it fitsthe theme perfectly of a movie that
(36:09):
was not intended to be funny,that turns out to be quite hilarious
in a lot of ways and endingsome really good moments.
And there's a lot to loveabout the movie and a lot to hate,
but I will definitely watch it again.
But yeah, a solid three for me.
Like, it's, it has, it'sentertaining in, in all the right
ways.
And so, yeah, good stuff.
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Alec, tell me where they canfind us.
Happy to.
So this is week two of moviesthat are funny and they weren't intended
to be, never were supposed tobe or shouldn't have been.
And this is, this is RobinHood, the Prince of Thieves.
Best place to find us if youwant to see our smiling faces or,
you know, interaction withJJ's dogs is YouTube.
(36:52):
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It is completely free to getinvolved in the voting process.
So the way that we kind of, orthe way the podcast has kind of evolved
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I will pick movies that gointo those categories and the final
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Cool.
Let's see.
Colossus of clout.
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Jj.
I like it.
Thanks, buddy.
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