September 1, 2025 • 41 mins
This podcast episode delves into the cinematic masterpiece "Seven," directed by David Fincher and featuring notable performances from Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman. Throughout our discourse, we explore the intricate narrative that revolves around two detectives as they pursue a serial killer who employs the seven deadly sins as his modus operandi. The episode highlights the profound psychological implications of the film, particularly the moral dilemmas faced by the characters, culminating in a deeply unsettling conclusion. Our analysis also touches upon the film's stylistic elements, including its haunting imagery and sound design, which significantly enhance the viewer's experience. We invite you to join us in dissecting this iconic film, reflecting on its themes, character dynamics, and the lasting impact it has left on the genre.
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Mr. Mayor of the People, I am.
Just gonna say that ourlistening numbers have gone up since
you left, so.
Oh, man.
Early, early retirement.
I think it's all coincidental,but of course, yeah.
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Welcome to the what's up earlyPodcast where we fashion ourselves
cinematic judge and Jerry.
My name is J.J. crowder.
I'm here with my co host, Matt Sinergia.
Better red than dead.
I'm back.
We excited and we're gonna bemore fun again.
These two clowns born without me.
Alec Burgess.
Let's get it.
You're the boring out of thethree, Mr. Man of the People.
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I'm just gonna say that ourlistening numbers have gone up since
you left, so.
Oh, man.
Early, early retirement.
I think it's all coincidental,but of course, yeah.
Anyway, we appreciate youtuning in.
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Tell a friend about us.
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Please don't tell anybodyrelated to this movie that we're
talking about.
We got one of those in Alec.
I don't need anybody else.
We just, you know, tell peoplethat are the exact opposite of this
movie.
Yeah.
And then we can move forward.
But yeah, we gotta welcomeMatson back and I think this should
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be an interesting one becauseI. I think we got him on a first
time watch here.
So this is kind of exciting,but we're kicking off September,
which is insane to me, butyeah, we're kicking off September
with a Brad Pitt month.
It doesn't rhyme quite as wellas Amy Adams.
There's no alliteration here.
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But that's okay.
We're kicking it off with abanger, in my opinion, with seven.
It was released September 22, 1995.
It was written by Andrew KevinWalker, it was directed by David
Fincher.
It stars Morgan Freeman, BradPitt, Kevin Spacey.
Andrew Kevin Walker,hilariously enough.
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Had to throw him in there,even though he's in there for a minute.
Daniel Zakapa, GwynethPaltrow, John Cassini, Bob Mack,
and yeah, that's about it, everybody.
Well, we'll call Arley Ermeyjust because him in there.
Anyway, this movie is abouttwo detectives, a rookie and a veteran
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hunt who hunt a serial killerwho uses the seven deadly sins as
his motives.
I think motives is the right.
Maybe MO is more like modusoperandi is more the proper term
there, not motive.
But his reasoning is a littledifferent than the seven deadly sins.
But that's okay, Alec.
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This was your movie, your pick.
It would have gone on the listfrom me if you hadn't chosen it,
so this was coming on the listone way or another.
But what made you choose thisone, my friend?
Oh, easy.
I never seen it all the waythrough before.
Oh, really?
Shocker.
Yeah.
Wow.
So the reason behind that,because I'd seen all the parts, knew
everything.
Yeah.
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Going into it.
But when Oshi first pitched itto me as, oh, it's a scary movie.
So immediately I was like,cool, we're never watching it.
But I'd seen parts, bits,pizzas throughout time.
I just never sat down andactually watched.
Was never really on my radar,as far as that goes.
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And so when I had anopportunity to watch all the way
through, I put on the podcast.
And you know how they alwaysask, like, where did.
Where did he go wrong?
And people like, we never sawit coming.
I'll tell you right now,August 26, 2025, is where you can
say, I know exactly when Alecwent wrong.
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When you watch this movie,August 26, 2025, you can write that
down penciled in, because Ilove it.
This was such a great watch,being able to sit down and watch
it all the way through, watchit unfold, watch the little teeny,
tiny bits.
And I think that was probablythe best part for me on this watch
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because I'd seen enough of itor pretty much all of it in different
pieces.
I could focus on the littlethings, and they do a really good
job in the little mannerisms,Even something that I'm not too,
you know, keen on or pick upon frequently.
But the use of sound andeverything is just.
It's.
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It's bone chilling in a good way.
So I was.
I was thoroughly enjoyed.
Nice.
All right, Matson, first timewatcher, period.
Right.
Did you know much about thismovie other than it existed?
I knew literally nothing about this.
I mean, I saw the actors, Iwas like, okay.
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And then we started watching.
It's like, got shades ofhorror vibes.
I was like, this can't be that.
These actors don't do stufflike that.
And I obviously started watching.
It's like, oh, okay, this islike a serial killer movie.
And I texted the.
The guys.
I was like, this feels likeGotham without Batman, basically.
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Because, man, it was adepressingly real movie in that sense
that it just hits you hard,keeps hitting you in real bleak,
real grungy.
I mean, gut reaction.
I like the movie.
I especially enjoyed theending, as you guys know me.
I love.
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Like, it was real.
Like, probably how it could go down.
Like, really real and just.
Just a heavy movie pacing atTimes was a little like.
Yeah, but pretty nitpicky.
I mean, overall, like, not amovie I certainly was expecting to
watch.
Had no idea Brad Pitt was inthis or why am I forgetting the voice
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of God?
Morgan Freeman.
Morgan Freeman.
I mean, it was a really good movie.
Like, I really, I really liked it.
It's just heavy, mentallyexhausting and depressing and just
reminded me like Dark side oflife and Kevin Spacey, like, I heard
his.
He talked for like one second.
Oh, I know who this is gonna be.
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And what a weird, perfectperson to put in for the villain.
And yeah, I thought it was awesome.
I just, I'm used to seeingBrad Pitt eat food in every scene
and he didn't do that.
So he got close.
It was close to every.
Yeah, there's, there's several times.
But no, like one of those movies.
Like, I didn't expect this tobe bad when I saw those two actors,
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but definitely wasn't what Iwas expecting.
Expected, sure.
Yeah.
This is, it's one of myfavorite, like, guilty pleasure movies,
I think because like, I enjoythe hell out of this movie for so
many reasons.
But it's weird.
So I, I, it's also verynostalgic for me too.
Like, here we go with myobligatory age drop.
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But when I was 14 years old iswhen this came out.
Oh my gosh.
You were like blinks or likelittle aliens that were just learning
to talk maybe.
But it's so like, I saw thismovie in the theater.
We snuck into it and it.
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Yeah, I was still living inKentucky at this time.
Me and my buddy Lamar, like,we bought a movie for some PG13 or
PG movie and snuck into thisone in our little four screen theater
in the mall.
And I left like completely disturbed.
Like, I was like, so up.
This is one of those momentswhere I was like, this is why there's
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a rating system because nowI'm gonna have a hard time.
And I was always even that age.
Like a fan of horror.
Horror doesn't do to me what amovie like this does to me because
to Mattson's point, like, itfeels very grounded in reality.
Like when you talk about likeour, like the serial killers that
we're all obsessed with or somany people are obsessed with now.
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And like, we watch thesemovies and shows about them, we see
it all aggrandized in aHollywood way in most of the time.
This is like the underbellyof, of New York City, right?
And the gritty, dark, gross,disgusting part of New York City
that people still live in andthrive in.
And then here's where someonethat can become a serial killer that's
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this dastardly just what inthe actual fucking is going on with
this person type thing.
And so that reality, to me isfar more disturbing and scary than
a horror movie that I'm like,jason's dead, or, you know what I
mean?
Or, like, that's not this.
I'm like, well, now I'm afraidto, like, go eat too much or be a
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lazy son of a.
Or, you know what I mean?
Like, so it makes you think.
And so that's why I really,like this movie has stuck with me
my whole life.
And it's funny, too, becauseit's also, like, a joke that we do.
Like, anybody says somethingabout, like, man, what's in the bar?
I'm like, what's in the box?
Because, like, I can't.
And that becomes a joke to me.
But when I watch the movie andthat part's on, that is so hard to
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watch.
And Brad Pitt just absolutelykills that moment where he's just,
like, trying to talk, tryingto reason through it, and he can't
do it.
Like, yeah, the facialexpressions and the emotion that
goes through those moments.
But, yeah, that's like a running.
What's in the box?
Horrible.
Horrible.
But, yeah, I love this movie.
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So when.
When you picked it out, like,I saw it on the list, I was like,
yep, this was going on one wayor another because I think it's.
It's peak A.
Early Brad Pitt.
Right?
Like, Brad Pitt's shifted alittle, and as he's gotten older,
which is good.
But this is peak, early, youngBrad Pitt for me.
Like, this is what I think ofwhen someone says Brad Pitt movies
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is.
Seven's the first thing thatpops into my head.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I would not have guessed that.
I know.
I mean, there's some great ones.
Don't get me wrong.
He has some phenomenal movies,but this was the first one that I
saw that, like, stuck with you.
Yeah, like, because I. I mean,he got his.
He got his start with Thelmaand Louise.
Right.
And then he had some.
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Really stick with you.
Yeah, I know.
Great movie.
But that's not a Brad Piggly.
But, yeah, so, like, he's gotsome weird ones.
But, like, this is the first one.
I think that I remember him going.
I was like, oh, Brad Pitt's no joke.
Like, this is a really good actor.
And when you pair him withMorgan Freeman, who plays this, like,
old, just crotchety, like,hardened, but wants, like, truly
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has a Heart of gold.
And he says it in the scene.
He's like, you want to believethat because you're done.
Right.
Like, this is your justification.
But at the end of the day,you're a good man and you want to
help solve these things andyou don't believe that the world's
a shitty place the way youthink it is in general.
You just can't do it anymore.
Which is also I. I respect it.
And I think that's the otherpiece that I love about this movie,
is the dichotomy of we'refollowing a serial killer who obviously
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is up and does some really nasty.
But you also have these twoguys that are starting to figure
it out and want to save theworld through any means necessary
and then has tried to andcannot break, make a dent and realizes
it, and it's just done.
And so they're workingtogether to try.
I just love, like, the wholestory is so connected and so good
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and the dialogues there.
I just think it's a great movie.
That makes you think.
Scares the piss out of meevery time I watch it.
I will say I did enjoy the.
How they kept the differing ofstyles so very distinct between Morgan
Freeman.
Bad pit.
Yeah.
Like, I would.
I was just giggling kind ofnear the beginning after.
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Morgan Freeman's beendropping, you know, hints about where
to look.
You know, the CanterburyTales, Dante's Inferno.
And Brad Pitt has that.
The patrol guy pick him up.
Like the dummy versions.
Yeah.
So good.
Fourth grade reading versions.
I was cackling because everysingle book that is, you know, they're
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looking at.
They're pulling from those.
Those are slogs to get through.
And I think Brad Pitt evensays a line, something about Dante
and poetry or.
Yeah.
It keeps it to both the pointsyou guys made.
Very relatable, even from a,you know, point of view.
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Or a scene where you don'treally need it to be.
Yeah.
But it still keeps it groundedenough to be like anybody who's read
Dante's Inferno knows exactly,exactly what's going on and why it's
such a pain to get through.
Yeah.
And so I. I enjoyed that.
And they kept it with thestyles of, you know, Morgan Freeman's
the guy who's gonna go sit upall night in the library because
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he's got a problem to figure out.
And Brad Pitt's like, give methe spark notes.
Yeah, yeah.
What do I need to know?
I love what I need to know.
Yeah.
I think some of the imagery, too.
Like, this is a very DavidFincher thing.
And, like, this is whatlaunched him.
Before this, he was known formusic videos.
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And then all of a sudden hemade this.
And I think there was onebefore this, but this one just, like,
catapulted him.
We wouldn't have Fight Club ifit weren't for Seven.
And so it's one of thosethings where everybody says, seven's
the super, Fight Club's thesuperior movie.
I don't agree.
And I think.
I mean, don't get me wrong, ILove Fight Club 2, but I think if
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it weren't for this movie.
I know, right?
If it weren't for this movie,Fight Club I don't think would have
gotten made.
And so.
But, like, the visual, theimagery in this film, to your point,
Alec, and I love that youbrought up the sound and the music
and, like, the use of silence,like, the lack of music and background
in sometimes, in some cases aswell, like, is really haunting and
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uncomfortable.
But, like, the imagery, andit's a very David Fincher thing,
like, where it'll flash, like,quick images and you only see enough
to go, wait, what the hell was that?
And then you move forward.
Like, he does things visually that.
That subconsciously stimulateyou to drive you to get into the
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moment in these films.
And I think this one's a greatexample of that.
Like, right before.
Again, I go back to this end,but right before he.
Spoiler.
If you.
God, if you haven't seen this,I guess you're like Matson and the
person of the people.
Maybe.
But, yeah, like, man of the people.
There you go.
Well, I'm not just talking toyou this time, so I gotta.
I gotta spread the love.
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Persons of the people, anyway.
People.
Yeah, at the end, like, whereyou have that flash of Gwyneth Paltrow's
face and you don't know, it'sfast enough that you're like, wait,
was that her in bed with himor was that her head in a box?
Because you don't know.
And so you're just, like, uncomfortable.
And then you start to think,oh, what image is he?
Because I wonder if he'sflashing both images as in head.
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Like, he knows it's her headin a box.
Is he seeing that in hisimagination or is he remembering
these great moments in bed orin the past?
And I'm like, David Fincher,there's something wrong with you,
dude.
Because, like, this is likethat imagery.
And then, like, the dark, the.
You know, the over saturationof the dark coloring and the.
It's just.
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It's a work of Art, this film,in my opinion.
And it drags you into thatdiscomfort and that creepiness, and
you're like, what is going on?
So it's a really good film asfar as a lot of that stuff goes,
too.
That's a good point, becausesomething that got me, because up
until the point where you haveBrad Pitt and Morgan Freeman actually
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find about John Doe and theyfind his address, right.
It's.
It's very much, you know,three, three and a half steps behind,
essentially what you'redealing with.
And you don't have that reallyuncomfortable feeling or, you know,
it's.
It's too far away almost.
You're too separated from it.
But when you get Kevin Spacey,like, at the top of the stairs and
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he stops and kind of does thatthing where he stops and looks and
realizes, shoot, like, I can't.
Can't go forward, can't go backwards.
And it's, it's just verysimply, like, you know, it's him,
but at the same time, it couldnot be.
And it just makes youuncomfortable from that point.
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That's when I really kind of,you know, get to the.
The teeth, the spine tinglingand just kind of shifting awkwardly
and like, shoot, what is gonnahappen next?
Because that's also about thetime where, you know, you even get
the phone call, like, I'mchanging my timeline.
And the movie itself picks up.
Yeah.
And it starts going much faster.
The pacing picks up and it's, it's.
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It's like putting you intothe, you know, second person almost
viewing of this film, which isstupidly good.
Yeah.
I've often wondered, too, ifthey hadn't gone to his house in
that moment, would he havebecome Wrath?
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the otherquestion is, it's like he's pushing
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real hard to solve this caseand find this guy, but if he had
not figured it out, and thenyou have to think about that from.
What's his phase, like, MorganFreeman's character's perspective
too, because, you know, he'sthe kind of guy that's going to sit
and stew on this shit for therest of his life and he's going to
have to ask that question,like, if I hadn't asked my guy to
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get me that list.
And then we go to his placeand we run into him.
Does.
Does Wrath happen?
Right?
Does, like.
So it's just at least in theway that it ends up happening.
And we, you know, we don'tknow because he doesn't hint that,
like, that was always the plan.
But yeah, and the fact thatthe timelines moved up, like, those
questions, like, are just ashaunting as what we actually see
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on the screen is like, whatwould have happened or what could
have changed that?
Or, man, at that moment too,you're like, does Brad Pitt wish
he would have popped him inthe alley?
Right.
Like, there's so many thingsthat you're like, oh, this poor bastard's
gonna go live in a jail celland have to think about this for
the rest of his life.
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And just.
And you know he's gonna blamehimself and it's just like, oh, there's
no winning in this movie.
Like, the only person thatwins is John Doe.
Like, which is horrid to thinkabout, but yeah, it's the only person
that wins.
It's crazy.
But yeah, I was, I wasthinking this a similar thing, and
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it almost felt like John Doepicked him to be wrath in the alley.
Right after you realize that,hey, this, this motherfucker just
chased me through buildings,over buildings, under buildings,
cross traffic, just everywhere.
It's like this, this could be it.
But it does beg the question,at least for me, like, what was the
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timeline or the plan if thatdidn't happen?
Yeah, they're like, did hehave backups?
Is there one of.
In those 47,000 notebooks hehad that?
You know, he's just gotcontingency plan upon contingency
plan because that's very much a.
How do you stop the guy who'sbeen planning this for, you know,
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this point, like 10, 15, 20 years.
Yeah.
Like there's.
You got no shot.
Yeah.
And especially with targetswhere your only correlation is the
seven deadly sins, everybodyhas multiples.
Everybody.
There is no linkage.
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There's no trend to follow.
And so it was, it was very interesting.
I had a similar train of thought.
Mine was, I wonder if hepicked him after he realized, like,
oh, dude, this.
This guy's chasing me pastwhat is normal.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Crazy town.
Well, and then like some ofthe kills too.
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Like the opening kill, likethe dude, like, and I love like the
build up to it too.
Like, that's one of my otherthings is like, they don't just drop
you in this disturbing scene.
They like set the stage forthis fat ass is buried and he's got
his face down in the spaghetti.
And like.
Yeah, but did you check his.
As he still breathe?
The only way he's breathing isif he learned to breathe.
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Spaghetti sock.
Like, you're just like, whatthe hell?
And then you walk in and it'sjust dark.
That all you can see is thesilhouette with the flashlight of
this very large person.
And you're just like, this is wild.
And then the intricacy of thescenes, like, where you use the grease
to spell out, you know what?
I'm just like, this is nuts.
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And then you get into, like,the guy that's been alive for a year
strapped to the bed, like, getout of here.
Like, dedication disturbing, man.
Wild.
Cut.
Not like the.
The one that.
Yeah, the one I got with thedude that I thought was dead.
That was, like, ghostly white.
And then.
Is it.
They're just like, dude, for,like, you're saying to.
For a year, man.
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The dedication and the amountof air fresheners, and I just love
that the tenant was, like,best tenant I ever had.
Paid on tie.
Like, you're like, dude.
Like.
And it was funny.
It was that scene, like,leading into that when they were
getting to the apartment, Iwas like, man, this feels like Gotham.
Like, this is just home.
Sorry for sneezing.
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I just feel like we were inthe drugs, the drudges of, like,
society, right?
Then you're like, yeah, ofcourse no one's gonna care notice,
because ain't nobody trying togo to the next door.
It's the place you'd wantnothing to do with your neighbor.
And then the juxtaposition of that.
The.
The pride lady that wouldrather die than look ugly on the
outside, and she obviouslylived a very nice place and everything,
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and it just.
It was pretty crazy.
But I think going back to whatI loved, Kevin Spacey's character,
just the.
I like when Dave Mills wasasking, like, he was like, can I
call you insane?
Or whatever.
And he's like, if that makesyou feel.
What do you say?
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If that makes you feel comfortable.
And he's like, it makes mefeel whatever.
I think that's what he said,makes me feel really comfortable.
Like, there was just such goodback and forth there.
Then you got Morgan for tryingto be, like, the calm, kind of depressing
presence.
And the real kicker for me,though, is at the end when the serial
killer John Doe realizes thathe didn't know that David didn't
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know they was pregnant.
He's like.
And he's like, oh.
It's like, oh, man.
I was telling Tay.
I was like, man, I like that movie.
Because most people to say,you probably wouldn't kill him.
Like, yeah, certainly it'speople that wouldn't.
But at the same time, like,man, there's a lot of people that
Went.
I was like, I'm sure Iprobably would, like, just ruined
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his future life.
And current, like, just.
It's all gone.
Yeah.
My only question is, because Iwas watching that I had.
I determined.
I don't know how the last,like, 15 seconds ended because I.
He killed him.
Started walking away.
Did he.
Did they just have to put himin custody or did he kill himself?
I literally missed that lastteeny part.
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Oh, yeah, no, they show it.
They cut to back by the policestation and they're putting him in
a squad car.
And the part.
Morgan Freeman stand theretalking to.
Arlie.
Ermie.
Arley.
Ermie.
Yeah.
He's talking to him, saying,you know, if he needs anything.
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And the guy says, where areyou gonna.
You're gonna.
Where are you gonna be?
He says, around, I'll be around.
And, like, then it cuts.
That's it.
That's the end of it.
And so you don't actually knowwhat happens, how it goes.
You mean, you obviously knowto a.
Certain degree, but, yeah,he's not getting.
He killed the dude.
They.
They can't.
Yeah, but every.
That's one of those.
Be interesting because you,like, everyone is like, dude needed
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to die.
Like, yeah, good on you, man.
And I know what he did to him.
You're like, yeah, well, that's.
I love the moment in that samescene at the end when John Doe realizes
that he's gonna do it.
You know what I mean?
Because it, like, there's thistension where Brad Pitt's characters.
Mills is, like, thinking about it.
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Pulls the gun out, puts it down.
He's crying, he's yelling,he's hollering, he's asking questions.
And then all of a sudden,like, there's this moment where it's
like he picks the gun up andyou see Kevin space.
You just go.
And like, that moment, to meis one of the greatest moments in
cinema history.
Because it's just like thetension of will.
He won't.
He should, he shouldn't.
He.
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Like, for like a minute and ahalf, you're just sitting there going,
what's he gonna do?
Right?
And then that he just thissigh of relief and, like, victory
right before he goes.
And you're.
And it's like, sounsatisfyingly satisfying because
you're like, he needs to die.
I'm glad he did it.
I probably wouldn't have takenthat long to do it.
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But at the same time, you'relike, oh, how interesting would it
have been too, if he hadn'tdone it?
And then you have to realizelike now John Doe's got to live with
the fact that he couldn'tcomplete his great mission story,
whatever.
So I think either way they gohas an interesting ending, right?
Like, because, you know,nobody ends up in a good spot regardless
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of how any of this goes.
Which there's no.
There's no good guys.
There's no happy endings inthis movie.
Like, this is just a dark,twisty, hurt your soul kind of.
And it's.
And I think it gets down tounfortunately the root of.
In a bind, in a crazy ass situation.
Human nature.
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Like, we don't know how we'llreact in certain situations and what
we'll do in certain areas.
But I know what I think Iwould do, right?
Like.
And like I said, I. I alwaysgo, man, what took you so long?
Like, I.
The instant he said, oh, youdidn't know that dude would have
been done.
You know what I mean?
Like, maybe even before thathe might not even have gotten the
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chance to.
The instant I realized that mywife's head's in a box.
Oh, like they couldn't havecasted Alec in this.
He would.
He would have just heard thefirst like three words, man.
Yeah.
He walked away and then like,how do you feel?
He's like, felt great.
Through the chest.
One of the dome.
Exactly.
We always talked about one ofthe other.
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See the dude that had.
They put on a murderous strapon and had to.
And he like you said he.
He.
Her and.
Yeah, I. I mean, you ever havesex again?
No.
No.
Not even.
Could you imagine the trauma?
Quite sure about that because.
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Yeah.
The PTSD alone, dude.
Oh, you're done.
Dude.
I don't even think you get aheart on ever again.
Like, are you me like, oh, we.
Dude, that would.
Oh, and.
And I.
That's another for another bitcharacter like actor that you see
a lot that doesn't do anything.
He played that so perfectly.
Like just thoroughly distraught.
Like, oh, yeah, you.
I was watching when his scenewas like, any.
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I was like, I don't think anyamount of therapy is bringing that
guy back.
No.
Even when they were asking thequestions, he kept saying, I don't
know.
And they're like, press them on.
Like, how could you.
Because you know, they'rethinking, how could you do this?
When like he didn't.
He didn't kill you.
Like, you could have stopped.
And he's like, dude, he'slike, the gun was in my mouth.
You're like.
And you know in the backgroundthey're like, whoa.
Yeah, whoa.
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It.
Yeah.
Horrid.
He's gotta stop and think.
If you were.
You rolled up on that crimescene and you.
Then you really realize, like,what went down, and you're just.
And the guy's like, get it up.
You see the picture of it.
And that's one of the thingsthat you have to commend this movie
because they could have.
They could have showed a wholelot more.
Like, really lean into thegruesome side of it.
Like, a lot of There's.
I mean, we know some of thesemovies today that they literally
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don't shy away from anything.
Like, any amount of sickly gore.
And I'm all for, like,especially war movies.
I want to see it.
I want to feel the action.
I want to be a part of it.
But, like, some things I'm like.
There's definitely a line whenit comes to, like, true, like, saw,
like, gore that I, like,really want to be about.
But I actually like that inthis movie because it left your.
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Your imagination kind of wondering.
Like, you could, like, theprostitutes on the bed.
Like, you never actually,like, really saw it, but you saw
the thing that he used.
You're like, I mean, I did.
I was like, how'd that really look?
Like, okay.
But you.
It gets you thinking.
And I think that's what thedirector is really going for.
And I like that because itkind of.
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You took your imagination.
Imagination to those places,and it wasn't just thrust upon you.
And I appreciated that.
Yeah, I've often said that.
I think horror movies toooften show too much.
Like, our imagination is somuch worse than you could ever portray
on film.
Like, and don't get me wrong,there's some out there that, like,
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is disturbing as hell.
And there's some movies like that.
It really works.
Like Final Destination, theoriginal one.
Some of the gore.
And you're like, that worked.
But then in some movies, I'm like.
And I'm.
To your point, Matt.
It's a great call out, becausein this movie, like, not seeing the
actual murders, by the time weget to 90 of these people, they're
either dead or damn near there.
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And not seeing the actual actof the murder, to me is more disturbing
because I start going throughmy head, the torture, like, watching.
And the one.
The other genius moment theyhave is those Polaroids of the dude
that was in the bed for ayear, that he took a picture of him,
like, once a year or whateverit was.
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Or, like, once a month.
Yeah, every day for a year,like, while he just disintegrated
on a Camera like, that kind of like.
And they just give you enoughto see him at the beginning, then
when his lips are kind ofcoming off and then you're at the
end and you're like, oh, God,like, I want to see the rest, but
I don't.
I. I do, but I don't.
And then I start to thinkabout, like, what would he have looked
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like six months in?
What would he look like?
You know?
And I'm like, fuck.
So, yeah, I'm with you.
Like, I think that's one ofthose things that in a situ.
In a lot of situations, lessis more.
Get it Just enough to make yougo, oh.
And then you go, oh, God, whydid I think that?
Like, oh, no, get out of my head.
Like.
And, yeah, so it's just like.
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It's a great call out.
That's like, less is more.
Especially in this, like,brutal, brutal, brutal.
I love it.
Because you found yourself,like, with the.
The shaving of the nose orlike, the.
All the things you wanted to be.
I.
In my head, I was like, oh, what?
I wanted, like, see it alittle bit more.
Like, really?
Like, how bad was it all?
And then I'm thinking later,it just.
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Then I was the one thinking,like, oh, man, like, lost your nose?
Like, what is she really?
Like, it's probably that I hadan image in my head, and you're like,
could have been worse thanwhat it was, and.
Or they could have given ustheir interpretation of it.
And you're like, okay.
I don't know.
I just appreciated that.
I think, yeah.
Like you said, Jay, moremovies put the power back into the.
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The.
The viewer and maybe realize Idon't need all of it handed to me.
Yeah, well, and it's.
It's not shock and awe.
It's, like, disturbing.
Like, if we.
For example, like, I oftenthink about what the nose girl, like,
where he cuts her nose off.
I'm like, okay, that'sactually in the grand scheme of things,
the rest of the.
That he did to these otherpeople, like, that's not that bad.
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And then when you think about it.
But then you're like, okay, sohow did he do it?
Did he run a knife up her nose?
Did he do it slow?
Did he take some really sharpass scissors and cut it off?
Like, how.
Because that's mostly just cartilage.
And so you could get throughit in a number of ways to get her
nose off.
And then I'm like, okay,that's just horrifying to think about.
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Whereas if we had seen itlike, okay, so we walk.
We saw.
We see a hand with a knife,and he cuts off her nose.
We're all gonna go, oh, God,that sucks.
But then the shock of it,after the shock and all wears off.
You're like, okay, we're justmoving on with this.
That.
Like, I could sit here andwe're talking about it.
Like, I'll think about forthree days.
Like, what would that havebeen like?
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Like, how would that havelooked in the moment?
Did he again, did he go slow?
Did he just real fast do itand then her up.
Did he hold a mirror up to herface after she was.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's so many thingsthat I have to wonder about because
I'm a twisted son of a.
But it sets that tone for thedisturbing nature of what we're watching
versus we're just gonna shockand awe you and scare you into that
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moment, and then you'll movepast it because your fight or flight
kicks in and you're done.
Instead of like the, oh, what about.
And then, oh, what?
Yeah, okay, but what about this?
And what would that have been like?
Oh, no.
So it's just.
Yeah, it's just horrible.
Horrible.
Oh, this movie.
I love it.
Should we rate it?
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Let's do it.
Alec, check us off, buddy.
All right, I'm gonna give it afour and a half.
The only reason I'm docking itis it's a personal thing.
Mostly is the fact that it'svery Seven deadly sins, right?
Each one gets murdered andthen it almost like falls apart at
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the end because Brad Pittbecomes wrath and Rat doesn't get
murdered.
So the only thing I would havechanged is Brad Pitt turns the gun
on himself.
Yeah.
So you have it wrapped up towhere you have these murders for
each and every, you know,deadly sin.
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Because at this point, it's like.
It almost feels like theyforgot too, while making the movie.
But it's something that I. Iwas like, thinking, sitting there,
thinking.
I was like, wait a minute,wait a minute.
Like, you have this big kindof mantra like he's.
We get that sigh of relieflike you were talking about jj.
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It's done.
It's stuff is.
But not really.
Like, wrath is stilltechnically there and survived.
And so that would be the only thing.
But I'm glad I watched itthrough for the first time, all the
way through, one sitting.
And it was.
It was so good.
So I will be watching it again.
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Yeah.
Four and a half for me.
Nice.
Matson, first timer.
What are you giving it?
Oh, I'VE been mulling thisover for a good little bit.
I think I'm gonna give it afour and a half as well.
For me, I think it's just alittle bit of the pacing that just
eats at me a little bit.
But the acting, the storyline.
I think for me the kicker isjust how it ends.
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It didn't give me theHollywood ending and it made me think
of Perfect Storm.
Even though it's a true storybut just rare that you actually get.
I should like or like FridayNight Lights.
Another movie I love thatisn't fully true that I looked it
up later.
They actually didn't make itto the championship game.
They lost in the semis toDallas Carter.
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But I like the movie becausethey lost, they didn't win.
And more often than not wealways just see the cliches and this
movie was anything but thatand could have really been something
that happened in real life.
And just the actingperformances, man, we like that alone.
It's just some of the scenesin between and like the depressing
nature of the movie just whereit brags me a little bit.
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But it's by design.
I understand that, but I justthink a little bit of the pacing
just sounds like ah, like itbecause it is so heavy and so depressing.
I'm like, man, like maybespeed like one or two things up just
to get me there.
Because the ending, I meanyou're just like, what where we.
Where are we going?
Why are we doing this?
You know something, you knowsomething's coming.
You just don't know exactly.
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And I, I had shades in my head.
I knew was going to be hiswife, but like you didn't like.
It's just great.
So just because of that.
Otherwise, like what a greatmovie I've never seen before.
We've done this for a really,really long time and it's.
I'd have to go back.
I mean probably tens, if nothundred, like 100 episodes.
I can't think of a movie likethis that came out of left field
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for me.
And was this good?
It was really good.
Nice.
Come on.
Rubber didn't do it for you?
Oh my gosh.
I'm gonna give this a 5.
There's some nostalgia thereto it.
But I think in answer to yourthing, Alec, I. I used to have an
issue with that too.
Like wrath didn't.
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It wasn't done.
But then I started thinking asthis movie makes me think a few times
in.
And I'm like, isn't it though?
Because there's only a handfulof things that are going to happen
in this moment moving forward.
He's either going to offhimself at some point, whether it's
in prison, at home, whatever,or two, he's a cop going to prison.
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He's probably not going to dovery well in there.
And there's a good chance thathe may get offed while he's in there.
So in my head I'm like, thisis a guy that has the foresight to
do everything that he did,even on a rushed timeline, to create
this sequence of events.
And so I think in my head, andthat's not discrediting your feelings
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on it at all, because I'vebeen there.
I've reconciled the fact thatdead or not in the moment, on the
movie, in the movie, there'sgoing to come a moment where this
has.
He's won and this thing iscomplete fully.
Well, even if it takes till hedies of old age, at some point he's
completed his mission and he'smade this guy live in this most horrible
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state anyway.
For me, like, again and again,there's a little bit nostalgia to
it for me.
But I.
This movie gets me every timeI watch it and I see different things
and I realize thingsdifferently every time I watch it.
I get a different view ofcertain scenes every time I watch
it.
And that's like, if a moviecan keep me interested time after
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time after time without megoing, oh, I'm just watching this
for the part.
Or I'm like, I'm just gonnaYouTube this part because I love
it.
No, I want to watch this wholemovie because I'm gonna see something
different in minute 25 that Ididn't see the other 300 times I've
watched this movie, right?
So it's like that, to me, is amovie that I love to go back to because
it's not just about entertainment.
It's about what this moviedoes to me.
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It makes me think, it makes mewonder, it makes me sick to my stomach,
it makes me nervous at night.
Like, there's all thesedifferent things that it makes me
feel.
And so, like, that to me justgets me every time.
And.
And so, yeah, five for me.
I won't watch this movie anytime.
Like a lot of these moviesthat I love like this.
I'm like, I watch it anytime, anywhere.
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Oh, this one takes me a while.
Like, I watch it and then Ihave to like, oh, yeah, it's.
I gotta let it cool off for alittle bit.
It's like the dark.
It's like I talked about TheDark Knight way back when.
Like, I mean in my MountRushmore movies.
But yeah, this is gonna bebrought this up.
This is a movie I will watch again.
But you have to give it thetime and attention.
You can't.
It's not a pop in, pop out.
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It's.
It's a lot like.
And it's not something you'dbe like, oh yeah, like, whoa, let's
watch it again.
Like, maybe Alec, but not me.
I'm watching it again.
Yeah, I can't like it.
It, yeah, it messes with mefor a while.
So for like it's, it'll be awhile before I watch it again.
But it, it's on my L. Like Iwatch it consistently probably once
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every couple years.
But I gotta watch it when I'mhappy because yeah, I'm trying to
watch it when you're a littlelike you.
Watch when you're having somego down, you're like, ah, wait until
shit's doing.
Pretty good down like now.
Yeah.
And I usually, I.
What usually triggers me towatch this is like somebody will
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say something or like, likeyou got a box?
What's in the box?
Like, and then I'll go, now Iwant to watch seven.
So then I'll pull it out.
Yeah, great movie.
It's good.
Good way to kick off SeptemberBrad Pitt movies.
Alec, tell everybody whereelse they can find us whenever they're
not just sitting herelistening or watching us.
Happy to.
So like JJ said, week one ofSeptember, done in the books with
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Brad Pitt movies.
We got a pretty good lineupcoming for the rest of September.
So the best place to find USis on YouTube to watch all of our
episodes.
We release every Monday consistently.
For now, it's up to five years.
JJ and Matson have been doingthis every single Monday.
Aside from that, we do haveother votes going on.
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Unfortunately you're not goingto be able to get in.
But join us on Patreon atwhat's our verdict?
Reviews and you can startvoting or getting on the voting process
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October, November, December, etc.
Completely free to join in to vote.
We do have extra content onthere though and upwards of about
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Anything that you could everwant that is behind a little bit
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But toss this couple bucks in,you get access to pretty much double
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So those are two places tofind us with that I'll kick it back
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Oh, let's see.
Let's go.
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A. J.J. i appreciate that, sir.
Thanks.
Alec.
Yeah.
Go check us out.
Patreon's a lot of fun.
Some weird on there, but a lotof interesting stuff, too.
So with that, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the next one.
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Hasta la vista, baby.
Cinematic.
Mr. Mayor of the People, I am.
Just gonna say that ourlistening numbers have gone up since
you left, so.
Oh, man.
Early, early retirement.
I think it's all coincidental,but of course, yeah.
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Welcome to the what's up earlyPodcast where we fashion ourselves
cinematic judge and Jerry.
My name is J.J. crowder.
I'm here with my co host, Matt Sinergia.
Better red than dead.
I'm back.
We excited and we're gonna bemore fun again.
These two clowns born without me.
Alec Burgess.
Let's get it.
You're the boring out of thethree, Mr. Man of the People.
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I'm just gonna say that ourlistening numbers have gone up since
you left, so.
Oh, man.
Early, early retirement.
I think it's all coincidental,but of course, yeah.
Anyway, we appreciate youtuning in.
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Tell a friend about us.
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Please don't tell anybodyrelated to this movie that we're
talking about.
We got one of those in Alec.
I don't need anybody else.
We just, you know, tell peoplethat are the exact opposite of this
movie.
Yeah.
And then we can move forward.
But yeah, we gotta welcomeMatson back and I think this should
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be an interesting one becauseI. I think we got him on a first
time watch here.
So this is kind of exciting,but we're kicking off September,
which is insane to me, butyeah, we're kicking off September
with a Brad Pitt month.
It doesn't rhyme quite as wellas Amy Adams.
There's no alliteration here.
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But that's okay.
We're kicking it off with abanger, in my opinion, with seven.
It was released September 22, 1995.
It was written by Andrew KevinWalker, it was directed by David
Fincher.
It stars Morgan Freeman, BradPitt, Kevin Spacey.
Andrew Kevin Walker,hilariously enough.
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Had to throw him in there,even though he's in there for a minute.
Daniel Zakapa, GwynethPaltrow, John Cassini, Bob Mack,
and yeah, that's about it, everybody.
Well, we'll call Arley Ermeyjust because him in there.
Anyway, this movie is abouttwo detectives, a rookie and a veteran
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hunt who hunt a serial killerwho uses the seven deadly sins as
his motives.
I think motives is the right.
Maybe MO is more like modusoperandi is more the proper term
there, not motive.
But his reasoning is a littledifferent than the seven deadly sins.
But that's okay, Alec.
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This was your movie, your pick.
It would have gone on the listfrom me if you hadn't chosen it,
so this was coming on the listone way or another.
But what made you choose thisone, my friend?
Oh, easy.
I never seen it all the waythrough before.
Oh, really?
Shocker.
Yeah.
Wow.
So the reason behind that,because I'd seen all the parts, knew
everything.
Yeah.
(03:14):
Going into it.
But when Oshi first pitched itto me as, oh, it's a scary movie.
So immediately I was like,cool, we're never watching it.
But I'd seen parts, bits,pizzas throughout time.
I just never sat down andactually watched.
Was never really on my radar,as far as that goes.
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And so when I had anopportunity to watch all the way
through, I put on the podcast.
And you know how they alwaysask, like, where did.
Where did he go wrong?
And people like, we never sawit coming.
I'll tell you right now,August 26, 2025, is where you can
say, I know exactly when Alecwent wrong.
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When you watch this movie,August 26, 2025, you can write that
down penciled in, because Ilove it.
This was such a great watch,being able to sit down and watch
it all the way through, watchit unfold, watch the little teeny,
tiny bits.
And I think that was probablythe best part for me on this watch
(04:17):
because I'd seen enough of itor pretty much all of it in different
pieces.
I could focus on the littlethings, and they do a really good
job in the little mannerisms,Even something that I'm not too,
you know, keen on or pick upon frequently.
But the use of sound andeverything is just.
It's.
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It's bone chilling in a good way.
So I was.
I was thoroughly enjoyed.
Nice.
All right, Matson, first timewatcher, period.
Right.
Did you know much about thismovie other than it existed?
I knew literally nothing about this.
I mean, I saw the actors, Iwas like, okay.
(04:58):
And then we started watching.
It's like, got shades ofhorror vibes.
I was like, this can't be that.
These actors don't do stufflike that.
And I obviously started watching.
It's like, oh, okay, this islike a serial killer movie.
And I texted the.
The guys.
I was like, this feels likeGotham without Batman, basically.
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Because, man, it was adepressingly real movie in that sense
that it just hits you hard,keeps hitting you in real bleak,
real grungy.
I mean, gut reaction.
I like the movie.
I especially enjoyed theending, as you guys know me.
I love.
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Like, it was real.
Like, probably how it could go down.
Like, really real and just.
Just a heavy movie pacing atTimes was a little like.
Yeah, but pretty nitpicky.
I mean, overall, like, not amovie I certainly was expecting to
watch.
Had no idea Brad Pitt was inthis or why am I forgetting the voice
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of God?
Morgan Freeman.
Morgan Freeman.
I mean, it was a really good movie.
Like, I really, I really liked it.
It's just heavy, mentallyexhausting and depressing and just
reminded me like Dark side oflife and Kevin Spacey, like, I heard
his.
He talked for like one second.
Oh, I know who this is gonna be.
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And what a weird, perfectperson to put in for the villain.
And yeah, I thought it was awesome.
I just, I'm used to seeingBrad Pitt eat food in every scene
and he didn't do that.
So he got close.
It was close to every.
Yeah, there's, there's several times.
But no, like one of those movies.
Like, I didn't expect this tobe bad when I saw those two actors,
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but definitely wasn't what Iwas expecting.
Expected, sure.
Yeah.
This is, it's one of myfavorite, like, guilty pleasure movies,
I think because like, I enjoythe hell out of this movie for so
many reasons.
But it's weird.
So I, I, it's also verynostalgic for me too.
Like, here we go with myobligatory age drop.
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But when I was 14 years old iswhen this came out.
Oh my gosh.
You were like blinks or likelittle aliens that were just learning
to talk maybe.
But it's so like, I saw thismovie in the theater.
We snuck into it and it.
(07:29):
Yeah, I was still living inKentucky at this time.
Me and my buddy Lamar, like,we bought a movie for some PG13 or
PG movie and snuck into thisone in our little four screen theater
in the mall.
And I left like completely disturbed.
Like, I was like, so up.
This is one of those momentswhere I was like, this is why there's
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a rating system because nowI'm gonna have a hard time.
And I was always even that age.
Like a fan of horror.
Horror doesn't do to me what amovie like this does to me because
to Mattson's point, like, itfeels very grounded in reality.
Like when you talk about likeour, like the serial killers that
we're all obsessed with or somany people are obsessed with now.
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And like, we watch thesemovies and shows about them, we see
it all aggrandized in aHollywood way in most of the time.
This is like the underbellyof, of New York City, right?
And the gritty, dark, gross,disgusting part of New York City
that people still live in andthrive in.
And then here's where someonethat can become a serial killer that's
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this dastardly just what inthe actual fucking is going on with
this person type thing.
And so that reality, to me isfar more disturbing and scary than
a horror movie that I'm like,jason's dead, or, you know what I
mean?
Or, like, that's not this.
I'm like, well, now I'm afraidto, like, go eat too much or be a
(08:59):
lazy son of a.
Or, you know what I mean?
Like, so it makes you think.
And so that's why I really,like this movie has stuck with me
my whole life.
And it's funny, too, becauseit's also, like, a joke that we do.
Like, anybody says somethingabout, like, man, what's in the bar?
I'm like, what's in the box?
Because, like, I can't.
And that becomes a joke to me.
But when I watch the movie andthat part's on, that is so hard to
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watch.
And Brad Pitt just absolutelykills that moment where he's just,
like, trying to talk, tryingto reason through it, and he can't
do it.
Like, yeah, the facialexpressions and the emotion that
goes through those moments.
But, yeah, that's like a running.
What's in the box?
Horrible.
Horrible.
But, yeah, I love this movie.
(09:39):
So when.
When you picked it out, like,I saw it on the list, I was like,
yep, this was going on one wayor another because I think it's.
It's peak A.
Early Brad Pitt.
Right?
Like, Brad Pitt's shifted alittle, and as he's gotten older,
which is good.
But this is peak, early, youngBrad Pitt for me.
Like, this is what I think ofwhen someone says Brad Pitt movies
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is.
Seven's the first thing thatpops into my head.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I would not have guessed that.
I know.
I mean, there's some great ones.
Don't get me wrong.
He has some phenomenal movies,but this was the first one that I
saw that, like, stuck with you.
Yeah, like, because I. I mean,he got his.
He got his start with Thelmaand Louise.
Right.
And then he had some.
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Really stick with you.
Yeah, I know.
Great movie.
But that's not a Brad Piggly.
But, yeah, so, like, he's gotsome weird ones.
But, like, this is the first one.
I think that I remember him going.
I was like, oh, Brad Pitt's no joke.
Like, this is a really good actor.
And when you pair him withMorgan Freeman, who plays this, like,
old, just crotchety, like,hardened, but wants, like, truly
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has a Heart of gold.
And he says it in the scene.
He's like, you want to believethat because you're done.
Right.
Like, this is your justification.
But at the end of the day,you're a good man and you want to
help solve these things andyou don't believe that the world's
a shitty place the way youthink it is in general.
You just can't do it anymore.
Which is also I. I respect it.
And I think that's the otherpiece that I love about this movie,
is the dichotomy of we'refollowing a serial killer who obviously
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is up and does some really nasty.
But you also have these twoguys that are starting to figure
it out and want to save theworld through any means necessary
and then has tried to andcannot break, make a dent and realizes
it, and it's just done.
And so they're workingtogether to try.
I just love, like, the wholestory is so connected and so good
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and the dialogues there.
I just think it's a great movie.
That makes you think.
Scares the piss out of meevery time I watch it.
I will say I did enjoy the.
How they kept the differing ofstyles so very distinct between Morgan
Freeman.
Bad pit.
Yeah.
Like, I would.
I was just giggling kind ofnear the beginning after.
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Morgan Freeman's beendropping, you know, hints about where
to look.
You know, the CanterburyTales, Dante's Inferno.
And Brad Pitt has that.
The patrol guy pick him up.
Like the dummy versions.
Yeah.
So good.
Fourth grade reading versions.
I was cackling because everysingle book that is, you know, they're
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looking at.
They're pulling from those.
Those are slogs to get through.
And I think Brad Pitt evensays a line, something about Dante
and poetry or.
Yeah.
It keeps it to both the pointsyou guys made.
Very relatable, even from a,you know, point of view.
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Or a scene where you don'treally need it to be.
Yeah.
But it still keeps it groundedenough to be like anybody who's read
Dante's Inferno knows exactly,exactly what's going on and why it's
such a pain to get through.
Yeah.
And so I. I enjoyed that.
And they kept it with thestyles of, you know, Morgan Freeman's
the guy who's gonna go sit upall night in the library because
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he's got a problem to figure out.
And Brad Pitt's like, give methe spark notes.
Yeah, yeah.
What do I need to know?
I love what I need to know.
Yeah.
I think some of the imagery, too.
Like, this is a very DavidFincher thing.
And, like, this is whatlaunched him.
Before this, he was known formusic videos.
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And then all of a sudden hemade this.
And I think there was onebefore this, but this one just, like,
catapulted him.
We wouldn't have Fight Club ifit weren't for Seven.
And so it's one of thosethings where everybody says, seven's
the super, Fight Club's thesuperior movie.
I don't agree.
And I think.
I mean, don't get me wrong, ILove Fight Club 2, but I think if
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it weren't for this movie.
I know, right?
If it weren't for this movie,Fight Club I don't think would have
gotten made.
And so.
But, like, the visual, theimagery in this film, to your point,
Alec, and I love that youbrought up the sound and the music
and, like, the use of silence,like, the lack of music and background
in sometimes, in some cases aswell, like, is really haunting and
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uncomfortable.
But, like, the imagery, andit's a very David Fincher thing,
like, where it'll flash, like,quick images and you only see enough
to go, wait, what the hell was that?
And then you move forward.
Like, he does things visually that.
That subconsciously stimulateyou to drive you to get into the
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moment in these films.
And I think this one's a greatexample of that.
Like, right before.
Again, I go back to this end,but right before he.
Spoiler.
If you.
God, if you haven't seen this,I guess you're like Matson and the
person of the people.
Maybe.
But, yeah, like, man of the people.
There you go.
Well, I'm not just talking toyou this time, so I gotta.
I gotta spread the love.
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Persons of the people, anyway.
People.
Yeah, at the end, like, whereyou have that flash of Gwyneth Paltrow's
face and you don't know, it'sfast enough that you're like, wait,
was that her in bed with himor was that her head in a box?
Because you don't know.
And so you're just, like, uncomfortable.
And then you start to think,oh, what image is he?
Because I wonder if he'sflashing both images as in head.
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Like, he knows it's her headin a box.
Is he seeing that in hisimagination or is he remembering
these great moments in bed orin the past?
And I'm like, David Fincher,there's something wrong with you,
dude.
Because, like, this is likethat imagery.
And then, like, the dark, the.
You know, the over saturationof the dark coloring and the.
It's just.
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It's a work of Art, this film,in my opinion.
And it drags you into thatdiscomfort and that creepiness, and
you're like, what is going on?
So it's a really good film asfar as a lot of that stuff goes,
too.
That's a good point, becausesomething that got me, because up
until the point where you haveBrad Pitt and Morgan Freeman actually
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find about John Doe and theyfind his address, right.
It's.
It's very much, you know,three, three and a half steps behind,
essentially what you'redealing with.
And you don't have that reallyuncomfortable feeling or, you know,
it's.
It's too far away almost.
You're too separated from it.
But when you get Kevin Spacey,like, at the top of the stairs and
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he stops and kind of does thatthing where he stops and looks and
realizes, shoot, like, I can't.
Can't go forward, can't go backwards.
And it's, it's just verysimply, like, you know, it's him,
but at the same time, it couldnot be.
And it just makes youuncomfortable from that point.
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That's when I really kind of,you know, get to the.
The teeth, the spine tinglingand just kind of shifting awkwardly
and like, shoot, what is gonnahappen next?
Because that's also about thetime where, you know, you even get
the phone call, like, I'mchanging my timeline.
And the movie itself picks up.
Yeah.
And it starts going much faster.
The pacing picks up and it's, it's.
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It's like putting you intothe, you know, second person almost
viewing of this film, which isstupidly good.
Yeah.
I've often wondered, too, ifthey hadn't gone to his house in
that moment, would he havebecome Wrath?
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the otherquestion is, it's like he's pushing
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real hard to solve this caseand find this guy, but if he had
not figured it out, and thenyou have to think about that from.
What's his phase, like, MorganFreeman's character's perspective
too, because, you know, he'sthe kind of guy that's going to sit
and stew on this shit for therest of his life and he's going to
have to ask that question,like, if I hadn't asked my guy to
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get me that list.
And then we go to his placeand we run into him.
Does.
Does Wrath happen?
Right?
Does, like.
So it's just at least in theway that it ends up happening.
And we, you know, we don'tknow because he doesn't hint that,
like, that was always the plan.
But yeah, and the fact thatthe timelines moved up, like, those
questions, like, are just ashaunting as what we actually see
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on the screen is like, whatwould have happened or what could
have changed that?
Or, man, at that moment too,you're like, does Brad Pitt wish
he would have popped him inthe alley?
Right.
Like, there's so many thingsthat you're like, oh, this poor bastard's
gonna go live in a jail celland have to think about this for
the rest of his life.
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And just.
And you know he's gonna blamehimself and it's just like, oh, there's
no winning in this movie.
Like, the only person thatwins is John Doe.
Like, which is horrid to thinkabout, but yeah, it's the only person
that wins.
It's crazy.
But yeah, I was, I wasthinking this a similar thing, and
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it almost felt like John Doepicked him to be wrath in the alley.
Right after you realize that,hey, this, this motherfucker just
chased me through buildings,over buildings, under buildings,
cross traffic, just everywhere.
It's like this, this could be it.
But it does beg the question,at least for me, like, what was the
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timeline or the plan if thatdidn't happen?
Yeah, they're like, did hehave backups?
Is there one of.
In those 47,000 notebooks hehad that?
You know, he's just gotcontingency plan upon contingency
plan because that's very much a.
How do you stop the guy who'sbeen planning this for, you know,
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this point, like 10, 15, 20 years.
Yeah.
Like there's.
You got no shot.
Yeah.
And especially with targetswhere your only correlation is the
seven deadly sins, everybodyhas multiples.
Everybody.
There is no linkage.
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There's no trend to follow.
And so it was, it was very interesting.
I had a similar train of thought.
Mine was, I wonder if hepicked him after he realized, like,
oh, dude, this.
This guy's chasing me pastwhat is normal.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Crazy town.
Well, and then like some ofthe kills too.
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Like the opening kill, likethe dude, like, and I love like the
build up to it too.
Like, that's one of my otherthings is like, they don't just drop
you in this disturbing scene.
They like set the stage forthis fat ass is buried and he's got
his face down in the spaghetti.
And like.
Yeah, but did you check his.
As he still breathe?
The only way he's breathing isif he learned to breathe.
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Spaghetti sock.
Like, you're just like, whatthe hell?
And then you walk in and it'sjust dark.
That all you can see is thesilhouette with the flashlight of
this very large person.
And you're just like, this is wild.
And then the intricacy of thescenes, like, where you use the grease
to spell out, you know what?
I'm just like, this is nuts.
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And then you get into, like,the guy that's been alive for a year
strapped to the bed, like, getout of here.
Like, dedication disturbing, man.
Wild.
Cut.
Not like the.
The one that.
Yeah, the one I got with thedude that I thought was dead.
That was, like, ghostly white.
And then.
Is it.
They're just like, dude, for,like, you're saying to.
For a year, man.
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The dedication and the amountof air fresheners, and I just love
that the tenant was, like,best tenant I ever had.
Paid on tie.
Like, you're like, dude.
Like.
And it was funny.
It was that scene, like,leading into that when they were
getting to the apartment, Iwas like, man, this feels like Gotham.
Like, this is just home.
Sorry for sneezing.
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I just feel like we were inthe drugs, the drudges of, like,
society, right?
Then you're like, yeah, ofcourse no one's gonna care notice,
because ain't nobody trying togo to the next door.
It's the place you'd wantnothing to do with your neighbor.
And then the juxtaposition of that.
The.
The pride lady that wouldrather die than look ugly on the
outside, and she obviouslylived a very nice place and everything,
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and it just.
It was pretty crazy.
But I think going back to whatI loved, Kevin Spacey's character,
just the.
I like when Dave Mills wasasking, like, he was like, can I
call you insane?
Or whatever.
And he's like, if that makesyou feel.
What do you say?
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If that makes you feel comfortable.
And he's like, it makes mefeel whatever.
I think that's what he said,makes me feel really comfortable.
Like, there was just such goodback and forth there.
Then you got Morgan for tryingto be, like, the calm, kind of depressing
presence.
And the real kicker for me,though, is at the end when the serial
killer John Doe realizes thathe didn't know that David didn't
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know they was pregnant.
He's like.
And he's like, oh.
It's like, oh, man.
I was telling Tay.
I was like, man, I like that movie.
Because most people to say,you probably wouldn't kill him.
Like, yeah, certainly it'speople that wouldn't.
But at the same time, like,man, there's a lot of people that
Went.
I was like, I'm sure Iprobably would, like, just ruined
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his future life.
And current, like, just.
It's all gone.
Yeah.
My only question is, because Iwas watching that I had.
I determined.
I don't know how the last,like, 15 seconds ended because I.
He killed him.
Started walking away.
Did he.
Did they just have to put himin custody or did he kill himself?
I literally missed that lastteeny part.
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Oh, yeah, no, they show it.
They cut to back by the policestation and they're putting him in
a squad car.
And the part.
Morgan Freeman stand theretalking to.
Arlie.
Ermie.
Arley.
Ermie.
Yeah.
He's talking to him, saying,you know, if he needs anything.
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And the guy says, where areyou gonna.
You're gonna.
Where are you gonna be?
He says, around, I'll be around.
And, like, then it cuts.
That's it.
That's the end of it.
And so you don't actually knowwhat happens, how it goes.
You mean, you obviously knowto a.
Certain degree, but, yeah,he's not getting.
He killed the dude.
They.
They can't.
Yeah, but every.
That's one of those.
Be interesting because you,like, everyone is like, dude needed
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to die.
Like, yeah, good on you, man.
And I know what he did to him.
You're like, yeah, well, that's.
I love the moment in that samescene at the end when John Doe realizes
that he's gonna do it.
You know what I mean?
Because it, like, there's thistension where Brad Pitt's characters.
Mills is, like, thinking about it.
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Pulls the gun out, puts it down.
He's crying, he's yelling,he's hollering, he's asking questions.
And then all of a sudden,like, there's this moment where it's
like he picks the gun up andyou see Kevin space.
You just go.
And like, that moment, to meis one of the greatest moments in
cinema history.
Because it's just like thetension of will.
He won't.
He should, he shouldn't.
He.
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Like, for like a minute and ahalf, you're just sitting there going,
what's he gonna do?
Right?
And then that he just thissigh of relief and, like, victory
right before he goes.
And you're.
And it's like, sounsatisfyingly satisfying because
you're like, he needs to die.
I'm glad he did it.
I probably wouldn't have takenthat long to do it.
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But at the same time, you'relike, oh, how interesting would it
have been too, if he hadn'tdone it?
And then you have to realizelike now John Doe's got to live with
the fact that he couldn'tcomplete his great mission story,
whatever.
So I think either way they gohas an interesting ending, right?
Like, because, you know,nobody ends up in a good spot regardless
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of how any of this goes.
Which there's no.
There's no good guys.
There's no happy endings inthis movie.
Like, this is just a dark,twisty, hurt your soul kind of.
And it's.
And I think it gets down tounfortunately the root of.
In a bind, in a crazy ass situation.
Human nature.
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Like, we don't know how we'llreact in certain situations and what
we'll do in certain areas.
But I know what I think Iwould do, right?
Like.
And like I said, I. I alwaysgo, man, what took you so long?
Like, I.
The instant he said, oh, youdidn't know that dude would have
been done.
You know what I mean?
Like, maybe even before thathe might not even have gotten the
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chance to.
The instant I realized that mywife's head's in a box.
Oh, like they couldn't havecasted Alec in this.
He would.
He would have just heard thefirst like three words, man.
Yeah.
He walked away and then like,how do you feel?
He's like, felt great.
Through the chest.
One of the dome.
Exactly.
We always talked about one ofthe other.
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See the dude that had.
They put on a murderous strapon and had to.
And he like you said he.
He.
Her and.
Yeah, I. I mean, you ever havesex again?
No.
No.
Not even.
Could you imagine the trauma?
Quite sure about that because.
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Yeah.
The PTSD alone, dude.
Oh, you're done.
Dude.
I don't even think you get aheart on ever again.
Like, are you me like, oh, we.
Dude, that would.
Oh, and.
And I.
That's another for another bitcharacter like actor that you see
a lot that doesn't do anything.
He played that so perfectly.
Like just thoroughly distraught.
Like, oh, yeah, you.
I was watching when his scenewas like, any.
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I was like, I don't think anyamount of therapy is bringing that
guy back.
No.
Even when they were asking thequestions, he kept saying, I don't
know.
And they're like, press them on.
Like, how could you.
Because you know, they'rethinking, how could you do this?
When like he didn't.
He didn't kill you.
Like, you could have stopped.
And he's like, dude, he'slike, the gun was in my mouth.
You're like.
And you know in the backgroundthey're like, whoa.
Yeah, whoa.
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It.
Yeah.
Horrid.
He's gotta stop and think.
If you were.
You rolled up on that crimescene and you.
Then you really realize, like,what went down, and you're just.
And the guy's like, get it up.
You see the picture of it.
And that's one of the thingsthat you have to commend this movie
because they could have.
They could have showed a wholelot more.
Like, really lean into thegruesome side of it.
Like, a lot of There's.
I mean, we know some of thesemovies today that they literally
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don't shy away from anything.
Like, any amount of sickly gore.
And I'm all for, like,especially war movies.
I want to see it.
I want to feel the action.
I want to be a part of it.
But, like, some things I'm like.
There's definitely a line whenit comes to, like, true, like, saw,
like, gore that I, like,really want to be about.
But I actually like that inthis movie because it left your.
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Your imagination kind of wondering.
Like, you could, like, theprostitutes on the bed.
Like, you never actually,like, really saw it, but you saw
the thing that he used.
You're like, I mean, I did.
I was like, how'd that really look?
Like, okay.
But you.
It gets you thinking.
And I think that's what thedirector is really going for.
And I like that because itkind of.
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You took your imagination.
Imagination to those places,and it wasn't just thrust upon you.
And I appreciated that.
Yeah, I've often said that.
I think horror movies toooften show too much.
Like, our imagination is somuch worse than you could ever portray
on film.
Like, and don't get me wrong,there's some out there that, like,
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is disturbing as hell.
And there's some movies like that.
It really works.
Like Final Destination, theoriginal one.
Some of the gore.
And you're like, that worked.
But then in some movies, I'm like.
And I'm.
To your point, Matt.
It's a great call out, becausein this movie, like, not seeing the
actual murders, by the time weget to 90 of these people, they're
either dead or damn near there.
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And not seeing the actual actof the murder, to me is more disturbing
because I start going throughmy head, the torture, like, watching.
And the one.
The other genius moment theyhave is those Polaroids of the dude
that was in the bed for ayear, that he took a picture of him,
like, once a year or whateverit was.
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Or, like, once a month.
Yeah, every day for a year,like, while he just disintegrated
on a Camera like, that kind of like.
And they just give you enoughto see him at the beginning, then
when his lips are kind ofcoming off and then you're at the
end and you're like, oh, God,like, I want to see the rest, but
I don't.
I. I do, but I don't.
And then I start to thinkabout, like, what would he have looked
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like six months in?
What would he look like?
You know?
And I'm like, fuck.
So, yeah, I'm with you.
Like, I think that's one ofthose things that in a situ.
In a lot of situations, lessis more.
Get it Just enough to make yougo, oh.
And then you go, oh, God, whydid I think that?
Like, oh, no, get out of my head.
Like.
And, yeah, so it's just like.
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It's a great call out.
That's like, less is more.
Especially in this, like,brutal, brutal, brutal.
I love it.
Because you found yourself,like, with the.
The shaving of the nose orlike, the.
All the things you wanted to be.
I.
In my head, I was like, oh, what?
I wanted, like, see it alittle bit more.
Like, really?
Like, how bad was it all?
And then I'm thinking later,it just.
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Then I was the one thinking,like, oh, man, like, lost your nose?
Like, what is she really?
Like, it's probably that I hadan image in my head, and you're like,
could have been worse thanwhat it was, and.
Or they could have given ustheir interpretation of it.
And you're like, okay.
I don't know.
I just appreciated that.
I think, yeah.
Like you said, Jay, moremovies put the power back into the.
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The.
The viewer and maybe realize Idon't need all of it handed to me.
Yeah, well, and it's.
It's not shock and awe.
It's, like, disturbing.
Like, if we.
For example, like, I oftenthink about what the nose girl, like,
where he cuts her nose off.
I'm like, okay, that'sactually in the grand scheme of things,
the rest of the.
That he did to these otherpeople, like, that's not that bad.
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And then when you think about it.
But then you're like, okay, sohow did he do it?
Did he run a knife up her nose?
Did he do it slow?
Did he take some really sharpass scissors and cut it off?
Like, how.
Because that's mostly just cartilage.
And so you could get throughit in a number of ways to get her
nose off.
And then I'm like, okay,that's just horrifying to think about.
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Whereas if we had seen itlike, okay, so we walk.
We saw.
We see a hand with a knife,and he cuts off her nose.
We're all gonna go, oh, God,that sucks.
But then the shock of it,after the shock and all wears off.
You're like, okay, we're justmoving on with this.
That.
Like, I could sit here andwe're talking about it.
Like, I'll think about forthree days.
Like, what would that havebeen like?
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Like, how would that havelooked in the moment?
Did he again, did he go slow?
Did he just real fast do itand then her up.
Did he hold a mirror up to herface after she was.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's so many thingsthat I have to wonder about because
I'm a twisted son of a.
But it sets that tone for thedisturbing nature of what we're watching
versus we're just gonna shockand awe you and scare you into that
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moment, and then you'll movepast it because your fight or flight
kicks in and you're done.
Instead of like the, oh, what about.
And then, oh, what?
Yeah, okay, but what about this?
And what would that have been like?
Oh, no.
So it's just.
Yeah, it's just horrible.
Horrible.
Oh, this movie.
I love it.
Should we rate it?
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Let's do it.
Alec, check us off, buddy.
All right, I'm gonna give it afour and a half.
The only reason I'm docking itis it's a personal thing.
Mostly is the fact that it'svery Seven deadly sins, right?
Each one gets murdered andthen it almost like falls apart at
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the end because Brad Pittbecomes wrath and Rat doesn't get
murdered.
So the only thing I would havechanged is Brad Pitt turns the gun
on himself.
Yeah.
So you have it wrapped up towhere you have these murders for
each and every, you know,deadly sin.
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Because at this point, it's like.
It almost feels like theyforgot too, while making the movie.
But it's something that I. Iwas like, thinking, sitting there,
thinking.
I was like, wait a minute,wait a minute.
Like, you have this big kindof mantra like he's.
We get that sigh of relieflike you were talking about jj.
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It's done.
It's stuff is.
But not really.
Like, wrath is stilltechnically there and survived.
And so that would be the only thing.
But I'm glad I watched itthrough for the first time, all the
way through, one sitting.
And it was.
It was so good.
So I will be watching it again.
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Yeah.
Four and a half for me.
Nice.
Matson, first timer.
What are you giving it?
Oh, I'VE been mulling thisover for a good little bit.
I think I'm gonna give it afour and a half as well.
For me, I think it's just alittle bit of the pacing that just
eats at me a little bit.
But the acting, the storyline.
I think for me the kicker isjust how it ends.
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It didn't give me theHollywood ending and it made me think
of Perfect Storm.
Even though it's a true storybut just rare that you actually get.
I should like or like FridayNight Lights.
Another movie I love thatisn't fully true that I looked it
up later.
They actually didn't make itto the championship game.
They lost in the semis toDallas Carter.
(35:03):
But I like the movie becausethey lost, they didn't win.
And more often than not wealways just see the cliches and this
movie was anything but thatand could have really been something
that happened in real life.
And just the actingperformances, man, we like that alone.
It's just some of the scenesin between and like the depressing
nature of the movie just whereit brags me a little bit.
(35:25):
But it's by design.
I understand that, but I justthink a little bit of the pacing
just sounds like ah, like itbecause it is so heavy and so depressing.
I'm like, man, like maybespeed like one or two things up just
to get me there.
Because the ending, I meanyou're just like, what where we.
Where are we going?
Why are we doing this?
You know something, you knowsomething's coming.
You just don't know exactly.
(35:47):
And I, I had shades in my head.
I knew was going to be hiswife, but like you didn't like.
It's just great.
So just because of that.
Otherwise, like what a greatmovie I've never seen before.
We've done this for a really,really long time and it's.
I'd have to go back.
I mean probably tens, if nothundred, like 100 episodes.
I can't think of a movie likethis that came out of left field
(36:08):
for me.
And was this good?
It was really good.
Nice.
Come on.
Rubber didn't do it for you?
Oh my gosh.
I'm gonna give this a 5.
There's some nostalgia thereto it.
But I think in answer to yourthing, Alec, I. I used to have an
issue with that too.
Like wrath didn't.
(36:30):
It wasn't done.
But then I started thinking asthis movie makes me think a few times
in.
And I'm like, isn't it though?
Because there's only a handfulof things that are going to happen
in this moment moving forward.
He's either going to offhimself at some point, whether it's
in prison, at home, whatever,or two, he's a cop going to prison.
(36:51):
He's probably not going to dovery well in there.
And there's a good chance thathe may get offed while he's in there.
So in my head I'm like, thisis a guy that has the foresight to
do everything that he did,even on a rushed timeline, to create
this sequence of events.
And so I think in my head, andthat's not discrediting your feelings
(37:12):
on it at all, because I'vebeen there.
I've reconciled the fact thatdead or not in the moment, on the
movie, in the movie, there'sgoing to come a moment where this
has.
He's won and this thing iscomplete fully.
Well, even if it takes till hedies of old age, at some point he's
completed his mission and he'smade this guy live in this most horrible
(37:34):
state anyway.
For me, like, again and again,there's a little bit nostalgia to
it for me.
But I.
This movie gets me every timeI watch it and I see different things
and I realize thingsdifferently every time I watch it.
I get a different view ofcertain scenes every time I watch
it.
And that's like, if a moviecan keep me interested time after
(37:55):
time after time without megoing, oh, I'm just watching this
for the part.
Or I'm like, I'm just gonnaYouTube this part because I love
it.
No, I want to watch this wholemovie because I'm gonna see something
different in minute 25 that Ididn't see the other 300 times I've
watched this movie, right?
So it's like that, to me, is amovie that I love to go back to because
it's not just about entertainment.
It's about what this moviedoes to me.
(38:16):
It makes me think, it makes mewonder, it makes me sick to my stomach,
it makes me nervous at night.
Like, there's all thesedifferent things that it makes me
feel.
And so, like, that to me justgets me every time.
And.
And so, yeah, five for me.
I won't watch this movie anytime.
Like a lot of these moviesthat I love like this.
I'm like, I watch it anytime, anywhere.
(38:36):
Oh, this one takes me a while.
Like, I watch it and then Ihave to like, oh, yeah, it's.
I gotta let it cool off for alittle bit.
It's like the dark.
It's like I talked about TheDark Knight way back when.
Like, I mean in my MountRushmore movies.
But yeah, this is gonna bebrought this up.
This is a movie I will watch again.
But you have to give it thetime and attention.
You can't.
It's not a pop in, pop out.
(38:57):
It's.
It's a lot like.
And it's not something you'dbe like, oh yeah, like, whoa, let's
watch it again.
Like, maybe Alec, but not me.
I'm watching it again.
Yeah, I can't like it.
It, yeah, it messes with mefor a while.
So for like it's, it'll be awhile before I watch it again.
But it, it's on my L. Like Iwatch it consistently probably once
(39:18):
every couple years.
But I gotta watch it when I'mhappy because yeah, I'm trying to
watch it when you're a littlelike you.
Watch when you're having somego down, you're like, ah, wait until
shit's doing.
Pretty good down like now.
Yeah.
And I usually, I.
What usually triggers me towatch this is like somebody will
(39:38):
say something or like, likeyou got a box?
What's in the box?
Like, and then I'll go, now Iwant to watch seven.
So then I'll pull it out.
Yeah, great movie.
It's good.
Good way to kick off SeptemberBrad Pitt movies.
Alec, tell everybody whereelse they can find us whenever they're
not just sitting herelistening or watching us.
Happy to.
So like JJ said, week one ofSeptember, done in the books with
(40:01):
Brad Pitt movies.
We got a pretty good lineupcoming for the rest of September.
So the best place to find USis on YouTube to watch all of our
episodes.
We release every Monday consistently.
For now, it's up to five years.
JJ and Matson have been doingthis every single Monday.
Aside from that, we do haveother votes going on.
(40:22):
So September's been picked.
Unfortunately you're not goingto be able to get in.
But join us on Patreon atwhat's our verdict?
Reviews and you can startvoting or getting on the voting process
for future months coming up.
October, November, December, etc.
Completely free to join in to vote.
We do have extra content onthere though and upwards of about
(40:44):
550 episodes now it's gotta beof additional episodes that are full
length little bloops behindthe scenes content.
Anything that you could everwant that is behind a little bit
of paywall.
But toss this couple bucks in,you get access to pretty much double
the content.
So those are two places tofind us with that I'll kick it back
(41:05):
to.
Oh, let's see.
Let's go.
The mauling Mastodon and theTitan of terror.
A. J.J. i appreciate that, sir.
Thanks.
Alec.
Yeah.
Go check us out.
Patreon's a lot of fun.
Some weird on there, but a lotof interesting stuff, too.
So with that, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the next one.
(41:28):
Hasta la vista, baby.
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