March 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Alec, JJ and Mattson dive into a critical examination of the film "Tin Cup," featuring Kevin Costner in a role that has elicited divergent opinions among us. We delve into the film's depiction of a washed-up golf pro's quest for redemption and love, alongside the humorous antics that ensue, such as the use of gardening tools in place of golf clubs. Our discussions also traverse the broader themes of character development, the nature of success, and the film’s ultimate commentary on personal fulfillment versus societal expectations. Through this discourse, we invite our listeners to reflect on their own interpretations and experiences with the film, fostering a rich dialogue about cinematic storytelling and its impact on our perceptions of sports and life.
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I mean, I would disagree with you.
I think this is my leastfavorite Kevin Costner movie I've
ever seen.
Wow.
And I would put peak youngKevin Costner in something like Waterworld.
Yeah.
Suck it, J.J.
waterworld blows, dude.
You blow.
Only on special occasions.
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Maybe not my.
Maybe not my therapist.
My wife, he's a therapist.
Yeah, she might come on hereand really get at me after.
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The therapists are overrated.
You don't need them.
Unless you're a crackpot golfer.
Anyway.
Yeah, it's was it week two,week three, week three, week three
of our Kevin Costner sportsfilms month here in March.
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And we're.
We're cooking right along andwe're going right with tin Cup.
Round three.
Tin Cut was released August16, 1996.
It was written by JohnNorville and Ron Shelton.
It was directed by Ron Shelton.
Stars Kevin Costner, ReneeRusso, Don Johnson, Cheech Marin,
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Linda Hart, Dennis Berkeley,Lou Myers, Rex Lynn, Richard Lineback
and George Perez.
It's about a washed up golfpro working at a driving range who
tries to qualify for the u.
S.
Open in order to win the heartof his successful rival's girlfriend.
That's a pretty good synopsisof this film.
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This one was mine.
So I'll go ahead and talk.
Right.
Look, I don't love Kevin Costner.
I think I mentioned that bothof the previous movies.
He's not my favorite usually,but this is.
This to me is like outside oflike his serious later that he's
done and he's like really mean.
Like this to me was Pete KevinCostner when he was young because
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he's.
He tried to always do theserious movies like dances with wolves
and like the postman and likeall these dead serious hard.
But he's really to me likethis goofy idiot character really
works for him, at least whenhe was younger.
So I appreciate this film.
I also like the ridiculousnessof this film.
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Playing golf with likegardening tools and makes me laugh.
The.
Some of the speeches.
Like when I was in highschool, we did a.
That I had to do.
Like I was in speech anddebate or whatever because I like
to argue.
But like I was in.
We had to do a monologue froma movie and I picked the.
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The Broy Macavoy swing is great.
So I used to.
I can't do it anymore.
I tried, but I don't have itall memorized anymore.
When you golf, did this moviejust play in your head and repeat?
You had to make sure youwaggled the.
Waggled the club.
Yeah, well, this movie.
And then, yeah, of course,like Happy Gilmore and like any other
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golf movie you can think ofthat are just outrageous and silly.
That's always what I wasthinking because I'm a terrible golfer.
Love to play.
But hey, golf and sex, twothings you don't have to be good
at to enjoy.
So it's very true statement.
But yeah, no, I.
Look, I think this movie's hilarious.
I didn't actually see thismovie until I was.
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It's a old movie, but I didn'tsee it until I was way an adult because
I.
Again, Kevin Costner, not mytop choice typically.
But when I watched it, I got a.
I still to this day have.
What got you to watch it then?
If you were a Kevin Costnerfan, you watch this later in life.
Casey.
Casey's a huge Kevin Costner fan.
And.
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And.
And she's also a huge ReneeRusso fan.
So when you combine them,she's like, you haven't seen Tin
Cup?
I'm like, I don't like KevinCostner that much.
So then I watched it and Ilaughed quite a bit.
But it's funny because.
And I think I mentioned thisin a previous one of the last two
weeks, but Kevin Costner, tome, is another one of these actors
that at the end of the day,he's not the most phenomenal actor
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on the planet by a long shot,but he does surround himself with
really great actors.
And so, like, it's interestingto me because like in this film,
Cheech Marin steals this movie.
Like, he's the best part ofthis movie, in my opinion.
And I like, look, don't get mewrong, I like Tin Cup.
I like the character.
But I, yeah, Cheese Marin justcracks my.
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Up the whole movie.
And.
And then like his little crew,like that crew feels way too familiar
for me.
Those, Those.
That group of just absolutemoronic Ass clowns.
Like those are my people.
So I, yeah, I can reallyrelate to this film.
So that's where this moviecame from for me is it was one of
those things that started toconvert me to Kevin Costner when
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I was finally put onto this movie.
But that my brother in law, heloves it too.
Like Rick, we used to gogolfing all the time and so we'd
always quote Tin cup while wewere golfing.
It was fun.
Yeah.
I mean, I know neither of youthought this was a wonderful, great,
exciting film.
I've.
I've heard from both of younow about it.
You're welcome regardless.
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But I'm excited to hear whatyou guys on it for.
I have ideas, but.
So I will say I will give apositive to this movie first.
So the using the gardeningtools to golf cracked me up.
And the reason was I'm apretty big dude, perfect fan.
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And they have a couple videoswhere they do like this all sports
golf thing.
So it's essentially the same thing.
And I've been wondering wherethey got the idea from.
Tin cup there.
Oh yeah.
Gave them the idea for it.
And I was watching this justcracking up because I was like, this
is, I want to know who came upwith the idea, like to use a rake
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as a putter but hold it like apool cue.
Yeah.
Like the maniacal laugh afterwards.
Yeah.
I go back to 400 bucks.
I can beat you with this.
And then they actually do itand that.
So that sequence was just phenomenal.
But then, I mean, I woulddisagree with you.
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I think this is my leastfavorite Kevin Costner movie I've
ever seen.
Wow.
And I would put peak youngKevin Costner in something like Waterworld.
Yeah.
Suck it, jj.
Water world blows, dude.
You blow only on special occasions.
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And so I, I'm watching RoyMcAvoy as Tin cup and it's, it's
set up for greatness.
And then it gets in its ownway like four or five times to where
now I'm just like, dude, this,this is trash.
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I hate it.
I hate every part of it.
And he even gets the pointwhere I'm like the.
You took Cheech and you may.
You ruined him for me.
What?
He made Cheech so good.
But there was parts in thismovie where I was like, I need teach
to be teach.
And they tried to make himplay a part.
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Oh man, I love teaching this.
Yeah, it was, I didn't like it.
I mean, I would say thank youfor making me watch it, but I feel
like I could have googled oryoutubed certain aspects of it and
been completely fine.
(08:30):
Right, McAvoy.
Love it.
Love it.
All right, Madsen, bring it on.
Your turn to all over it.
Look like I.
Things go kind of two ways.
I either hate something andI'm passionately hating it, or I
hate it.
And, like, I've already hadamnesia about why I didn't like it.
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This is that movie.
Like, I had to break thismovie up and watch it because one
Tay stopped watching it.
We called JJ so she could justberate him and, like, bombasted with
her opinion about how annoyedshe was with this movie, how dumb
it was.
And then so I had to watch onmy own and I had to break it up in
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a couple instances justbecause I had to take it in chunks.
And, like, that's never good.
Like, that's.
That's usually just a badrecipe for a movie that doesn't captivate
my attention.
Like, were there parts that Iwanted to be like, the garden tools
were.
It was interesting, but HappyGilmore doesn't use a gardening tool,
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but he makes golf much moreenjoyable and interesting to me.
She just.
Character.
Your opinion is even worsethere, America.
The people agrees with that.
No.
Like, I don't know.
Like, what was it?
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I don't know.
This movie, it just didn't goanywhere for me.
Like, I.
I hated the ending.
Like, I know why it ended thatway, but, like, he can't learn.
He can't grow.
Like, my gosh, 12 strokes toend it when you could have won it.
Like, come on now.
Like, what are we.
What are we doing here?
Like, I know it's so classicTin cup, and he's legendary for it,
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but, like, I think I justhated his wife beater.
Look, half the time, like, itjust bothered me, this trailer trash.
I guess I just.
It never hit the vibe, like,the jokes.
It was.
This movie is very witty andit had some clever banter, but I
don't know.
Like, I think I just didn'tlike the subject matter so much.
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It just.
Look, I've already tried torepress it, and that's kind of where
my mind sits right now.
Here's a man that claims to beby the people and for the people,
but shits on the wife beaterin the trailer trash.
Yeah.
See, Madison, this is the onetime America doesn't agree with us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We are.
We are the wrong right now as.
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A part of just, like, look atthe picture on our screen.
He just doesn't look good inthat get up.
It's just not for him.
Dude, have you been to, like,47 United States of America?
And have you been.
I'm not saying other people.
I'm not saying other people don't.
I'm just saying it.
I just didn't vibe with him.
But you're the man of the people.
Yeah.
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One of the.
One of the parts that did makeme laugh, though, is the part where
he is going to.
He goes, sees the.
The doctor for therapy.
That chick comes out and she'scrying because apparently he's in
the exit room that was stillbeing made.
He goes in, tells her stuff,and then he's about to leave.
He's like, I'm sorry, she'sstill crying.
Like, that part was funny to me.
Like, that.
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That.
That totally made me laugh.
I was like, ah, yeah, I could.
I can imagine that.
I don't know.
It just didn't resonate with me.
Like, this just wasn't feelingthe hero work.
Yeah, I.
That it surprises me because,like, I am, like, I get.
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It's kind of a weird, like,premise, but, like, the.
The ending, I think it's oneof the greatest endings ever.
Because it's so true to methat, like, look, I watch the U.S.
open every year.
I think the U.S.
opens, amazing.
I think Augusta is.
I want to play Augusta onetime in my life, but I'm not that
wealthy.
So, like.
But I would like watching thatscene where he lines up.
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Because I've played a lot ofgolf when I was.
When I was younger, I playedgolf like, multiple times a week.
So it was like, I love golf.
And so watching.
And I'm that guy.
Like, if I hit a shot that I'mlike, I know I can hit that shot.
Oh, it's so hard for me not tojust drop right there and hit that
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shot again as a point of pride.
Now, obviously, I'm notplaying for the US Open, but at the
end of the day, like, I lovethat the character is true to himself
and who he is, and he doesn'tgive two shits about the US Open.
Really?
Like, really?
He doesn't.
He cares about him, and heonly starts doing the US Open in
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order to impress her.
And so it's like, to me, I'mlike, that's so true to this character.
And then normally I'd bepissed because I'm like, well, now
you're up the US Open, andmore than likely you're pissing off
the girl.
But she's just as cuckoo asCoke for Cocoa Puffs as he is.
If she's standing on thefreaking infield, like, laughing
and giggling and telling themto go for it.
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In fact, she's the one thattells him to go for it in the first
place on that first shot.
And then it.
So it's like, I just loveeverything about that because it's
so ridiculous.
But I can see some lining upand doing that just for the sake
of saying that they club that.
And then the other piece thatI love about it is golf.
Is that.
At least for me, golf can be the.
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Is the most irritating,frustrating, annoying sport I've
ever played in my life.
But I could have the worst dayof golf, miss every shot.
Fucking triple bogeys on every hole.
And then one hole I hit thisjust absolute beauty of a fade.
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It's just dropping in and it'slong, or it's right on the green,
or I freaking chip one up andit gets super close, or I tank, and
all of a sudden, everythingthat I did that was shitty before
is over, and I'm ready to keepon playing that game.
And that's one of the onlygames and sports that I've ever played
that.
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That does that for me.
Like, normally, like, I couldplay a lot of baseball.
We talked about that previoustwo, and, like, if I got in a slump
or a funk in baseball, like,it was hard for me to get out of
it.
Like, even when I didsomething good, I was always focusing
on the.
That I did wrong.
Golf is one of the onlysports, if not the only sport, at
least for me, where one greatshot can erase in my mind and, like,
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my confidence every shittyshot that led up to it.
And so I just.
I really can relate to that.
Like, especially when he hitsit and it rolls up.
Like, I'm like, every time Iget, like, it gets me.
I'm like, yes.
Way to go, Cup.
Way to sink that.
Because if it didn't go in,it's probably coming back off the
green again.
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So I just.
For me, like, I get one, Ilaugh through this whole movie.
And then two, like, the endingwhen he's, like, on it.
I love that.
As ridiculous as it is.
Maybe part of my problem comesfrom my lack of knowledge with golf,
But I had a hard time tellingif Tim cup was a good golfer or if
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he was lucky, like, throughoutthe movie.
Sure.
Because it comes down to he'sgot these, you know, moments where
he's like, oh, I can hit that shot.
I can hit that shot.
I can hit that shot.
Now, granted, he never saysanything else except that he can
the shot.
So you Know, play your percentages.
But you have him hit, youknow, the shot that gets him noticed,
right?
This incredible shot wherethey're like, hey, there's no way
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I want to see it.
Yeah.
But then he hits it.
And so then you're like, oh,no, this guy's got talent.
Then he goes.
This whole thing where he'sgot the yips and stuff like that,
but you have.
For most.
I'm sitting there going, wait,is he good at golfing or is he just
super lucky?
And, you know, he kind of.
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Look, it's.
Come on.
It's hard to tell if he's goodor if he's talented, because the
part where he's in theclubhouse and he hits the pelican,
like, get out of here, Jay.
Like, one.
You tell me.
People are gonna.
They're gonna be like, threefeet apart in either way.
Be like, oh, we're in.
The lady that leans into the door.
We're like, I'm sorry, lady.
You might want to put yourhead back just on the off chance
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that he shanks it slightly andends your life.
Like, no chance.
No.
I could see it happening.
No.
The golf course is the dumbest place.
Like, people do some serious.
Dude.
Okay, Let me tell you a storyabout golf and courses.
Like, so golf balls are not cheap.
Even back when I was playing alot, they're expensive.
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Sure.
So to get golf balls, there'sa lot of golf courses here in Utah.
And there's one.
There's, like four of themthat are right around my house, and
there's one.
I won't say the name of it.
I don't know, but we had afriend who lived.
Their fence.
Their back fence was over thisgolf course.
Like, connected this golf course.
So one night we were like, weneed golf balls.
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So we hopped that fence andwent skinny dipping in one of the
ponds to get water hazardsfor, like, two hours.
Came up with, like, 300 golf balls.
It was great.
But, like, skinny dipping.
You weren't wearing any clothes?
No, I was dead ass nakedrunning around the golf course to
the different water.
Hot water.
Why did you just wear your boxers?
Because it was.
Because I was fucking 19 andbeing dumb.
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Like, why not go fuckingskinny dipping?
This is my favorite JJ story ever.
If there was ladies involved,I can understand.
Well, yeah.
I mean, there was, like sevenof us, like, and there were two girls
and a bunch of guys.
This makes me feel better.
Okay.
I mean, it was.
Look, I'd have done it.
I thought it was just you guys.
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I thought it was just you andyour buddy.
I was like, okay, like, let'stake our clothes up.
Look, I'm not gonna lie thatthat water is kind of dirty.
So, I mean, I wouldn't.
I could see myself doing it regardless.
Because I don't give a about that.
Like, for me, it's more about,am I doing something dumb and having
a good time?
A right, I am.
And so it was cool.
But, yeah, like, we came witha lot of golf balls, and there's
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always gambling going on ingolf, like, between people and doing
dumb.
So, yes, I think to yourpoint, they probably wouldn't have
stood in that row.
But at the same time, you'realso dealing with a bunch of professional
golfers or golfers that aregood enough to get into the US Open.
And while an amateur can makeit, you still got to qualify.
And it's not easy to qualify.
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Like these local and regional.
No chance he gets that shot onthe first try.
No way.
Oh, I don't put it.
Dude, you throw a.
Someone that's an intimate.
Like a golfer, that where theyprovide the level of skill that he's
supposed to have in the game.
Absolutely.
Tiger woods, for example,they're doing this indoor golf shit
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right now.
So they know he hit the camera.
Well, no, but they want.
He hit the camera.
But two, they told him.
He's like, how far is it?
And they tried to say 199.
Hear the one, the hits it ahundred yards on the nut.
Dude, these guys know how tohit a golf ball.
And it's just like CheechMarin's character is like, dude,
it's a hooded seven iron or ahooded four iron, whatever it was,
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they know.
They see that.
They're like, I can do that.
And as long as they strike the ball.
Alec, to your point, like,where you're talking about, like,
golf being that good, it's alittle bit of all of what you're
talking about.
You have to have the skill setto understand what the ball is going
to do with what club, whereit's going, how far you want it to
go, the direction.
I mean, these pro golfers thatare playing on the tours and like,
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you can tell.
They can tell hit it whatlooks like a normal stroke, but to
us, as it goes, it's hookingor it's fading right or left.
And they do that on purpose,or they'll hit it in a way so when
it hits the green, it backsthe up because they hit it so that
it puts backspin.
And they know how to do allthat So I have no shock now, obviously,
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it's.
That's a crazy ass shot.
So could he do it on the first one?
Yes.
But then that comes into whatyou're talking about.
Like, you need a little bit ofluck because no matter how much skill
you are, if you tow it, youhit it with the front end of the
club or you heal it and hit ittowards the stem of the club, it's
not going to go where you wantit to go.
And you have to do thebackswing, the hit and the follow
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through all perfectly almost for.
And then hope it hits the club.
Right.
So there's a little bit of allthat you have to have to skill, but
you also got to have a littlebit of luck because for me.
When we get to the final shot,right, any, you know, 12, 13 balls,
whatever it is.
Yeah.
I'm sitting there going, okay,well, if everybody took 12 or 13
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shots, could they also hit itin like.
Because he's.
He's the only one who's strongarming it because he's, you know,
fucking.
He's the only one dumb enoughto try to get television.
Yeah.
He doesn't give any shit aboutthe US Open.
So he's just going to make the shot.
Yeah.
Right.
That's his primary thing.
So I'm sitting there going,well, okay, because it's supposed
to be this really difficultshot, but that makes it difficult
that the course is a par 5 orwhatever it was.
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Yeah, it's really long.
Yeah.
So you, you have a certainamount of shots.
That's why they do it.
Right.
But if you're just sittingback there, you know, do over, do
over, do over and rack up the score.
So I'm sitting there and I'mhaving trouble connecting the dots
and making these really coolshots versus the just kind of strong
arming and, you know, beingable to hit the ball that far and
then just getting it to landright by doing it over and over again.
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And so we get to the end ofthe payoff and I'm kind of.
Like, huh, that's fair.
I mean, I can see, like, ifyou didn't understand, like, why
that's such a difficult shot,and really that one is just about
distance.
And then that hole, the waterhazard that you got to clear that
water, and then the fact thatthe green angles back down towards
it, like, there's a lot ofthings working against you in that
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hole.
And most of the time it makes.
A good point, though.
Like, how many of those othergolfers, if they wanted to, could
have done it in that manyshots now I could think the smartest
thing.
So I'm missing the miraculousfinish part because I'm sitting there
going, okay, well.
If everything it isn't didn't care.
It's just a stubborn dick.
Yeah, that's the thing islike, they even talk about John Daly,
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who hits the ball like a truck.
Like that's his thing.
The hits the ball a countrymile every time he hits it.
He great golfer, but his thingwas distance more than anything in
power because he's this bigfat weird and he's funny as hell.
But anyway, so they talkedabout daily trying it.
And he's typically known to bethe biggest hitter in the tour, at
least back then in the 90s.
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And so it's not about.
It's a stupid ass shot.
He shouldn't be taking it atthat distance.
Like they say.
He should be laying up, hitthe seven iron, get it to where it's
just a nice little easy smackwith a.
With an iron of some sort, adifferent, smaller club up onto the
green, and then you putt forbirdie, which is one under par, and
you're still doing great, right?
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But there is something about.
And I don't know what it isabout golf, but once you get a hold,
it gets a hold of you.
And like, man, if I have achance for an eagle, so I have a
chance to get on a par five onthe green in two hits, I want to
do it, but you got to be ableto hit it hard and far.
And he should never.
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And that's the whole point.
He should never have beentaking the shot.
And it's dumb even to take,like the first time he does it when
that dude freaking hold outand at par, and he.
All he has to do is birdie.
Like, there's no way in hellhe should have taken that shot.
And if she hadn't looked athim and nodded, he might not have.
I.
Because I think that's thepart that I love is right there in
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that moment, Cheech was like,dude, lay up.
He's got the club.
And then he looks over atfreaking doctor lady and she gives
him the nod.
So then he puts him in a placewhere he's playing to tie, right?
And so it's like.
And then once that's over, he's.
And I, for me, like, whattriggers it and what I love, my favorite
shot that he hits, that hehits is the first time when he's
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playing the record round, andhe's like, I'm going for it.
And he smacks it.
And he's like, we're home.
He's like, oh, that's it.
And then that little gust ofwind pushes it just.
It slows it down just enoughto have it roll back down.
And I love, like, that littlegust from the gods, but I love that
because that's the moment thattriggers the final thing.
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Because he hit the green, heknows he can get there.
It's just got to be theperfect circumstance.
And that little nugget ofconfidence of I can do that triggers
the most ridiculous ending ofa golf match.
But at the same time, I loveher comment at the end.
She goes, nobody rememberswho's gonna win, who won the Open,
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but they'll remember your 12.
And I'm like, that's true.
Because there's guys thatscore that don't even make the cut
in the Open.
So to help you out, ALEC, theyplay four rounds of golf for the
U.S.
in most major tournaments, thefirst two are called the cut.
You have to get a certainscore to make it to the second two
rounds.
A lot of guys that don't evenmake the cut end up on Sports center
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years and years and years andyears, for years and years because
they make some crazy chip orthey hit one out of the sand.
And that's the.
That golf, like non golfersremember when they.
Because that's what they playon Sports.
The 12 would have been on, andyou guys know it.
The 12 would have been on ESPNfor the next six months, right?
And so he becomes a legend,even though he up and was dumb and
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they'll criticize him for it.
But, like, that's the partthat I love is, like, it's just this
dumb situation, but I canrelate to it.
Like, I would have a hard timenot being Tin cup in that moment
if I had the skill set and Iwas doing it.
Like, I would have a hard timenot doing it.
So that's where I can reallyrelate to that.
That and then the funny lines.
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I did.
I did a fair bit of golfinggrowing up.
Watched a lot of golf growing up.
D if we're trying to say this, just.
Yeah, whatever.
Well, that's the part two,though, that you reference.
And I'm gonna get into.
I'm gonna steal your thunder alittle, Alec, because go for it.
You're gonna have a way better delivery.
Well, because I'm gettinginto, like, you talk about Happy
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Gilmore, and I know you likeHappy Gilmore.
So here's my problem withHappy Gilmore is this dude makes
a tour with the mostunrealistic hits ever created.
Like, there's no way somebodyconsistently walks into a swing like
that every single time.
And clubs 100 miles.
So I'm trying to figure out,like, why that makes sense.
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It is.
Okay, but this dude whoactually played.
The movie was never trying tobe serious.
But then this guy's a goodgolfer, and he has a chance to actually
win the U.S.
open.
And he's stubborn enough wherehe can't realize, you know what?
Maybe at least after the firsttime he went for it, maybe he should
lay up after this.
I thought there would just bethe typical Hollywood progression
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where he realized, you know what?
This is my moment to do theright thing, the thing that I have
gone against my whole entire life.
But it could be said in theopposite vein that this was a refreshing
take in Hollywood.
Didn't Hollywoodize something?
Like, it was actually like,oh, someone actually stuck to who
they are.
I'm just like, get out ofhere, dude.
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You have a chance to win the U.S.
open.
You're telling me you're gonnapass that payday up and all that
just to prove a point?
Come on.
Yeah, no, I get your preserve.
I get the perspective on upthe the U.S.
look, if I was his.
Friend, I'd definitely betelling me you were an idiot.
Really stupid.
Sure.
Yeah.
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Did like, seven times.
Yeah.
Well, I love the line, too, Cheech.
Like, he has so many lines forme, but, like, at the end, when he's
like, this is your last ball.
If you don't get on.
On this one, yeah.
You don't turn your card.
You're done.
And he's like, I can get there.
He's a do it.
Then, like, that's, I just love.
And I think that's the otherthing I love, too, in that moment
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is where everybody finallyjust goes, look, he's, this is what
it is, and this is him.
It just hit it, dude.
Like, and I, I just think that.
That that phrase, that'simportant in this movie, when a defining
moment comes along, you definethe moment or the moment defines
you.
To me, you could see it, but Icould, I could see either of us arguing
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for or against that in thelast moment of what did he define
it or it.
Did it define him?
I think both of us could claimwhat we're saying.
I, I, I think he let that moment.
He, he didn't define it.
He let it define him.
And he stayed where he was,where he could have risen to the
occasion and evolved where.
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But you could say the exact opposite.
And still be true based offhow he believes that statement to
be?
Yeah, so I just think that waspolarizing to me.
I gotta be honest, Alec, likeI thought this would be a movie you
would have liked quite a bit.
Like, I don't like I'm gonna end.
I know I don't have like, Idon't hate this movie or far from
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it.
I think it was entertaining.
I just don't like the way it ended.
But I am surprised that youdidn't like the movie at all because
like the humor level and likeCheech and like how brash Tin cup
is, especially Cheech is liketelling them how it is.
I thought you would reallylike that.
Yeah.
There's got to be someinteractions that you had to like.
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So they're like.
It has its moments, right?
Sure.
Something that I'm going touse frequently from now on is gotta
let the big dog eat.
And I'm gonna use it in themost inappropriate.
Never think of.
Because that's funny.
And I enjoyed the like, youknow, starstruck Cheech where he's
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going around gettingeverybody's autograph as they're,
you know, as Tin cup shakingballs down the line and he's just,
you know, going over next tohim and getting his autographs.
That cracks me up.
And so there's, there's theseoccasional one off moments, but kind
of a little bit to what Matsonwas talking about, you have almost
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his progression that goesforward but then doesn't decide to
follow through.
And so you have going totherapy, trying to get better, trying
to do this and then, nope, I'mTim Cup.
Fuck it.
Oh yeah.
So for, for a lot of it, likethe interactions that were kind of
cool lose for me.
But the, the, the one thatstuck out probably, probably the
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most was actually where Tincup got tin cups.
Whatever, dude.
He's like, I can hit thisfurther than you can seven iron or
whatever it was.
Oh, dude.
And he club said, he's like, yeah.
And then this dude just sendsit rolling down the road.
And for the car, the Cadillacnow it's like, you know that that's
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the option to be that definingmoment or the moment to find you,
whatever.
And it's like I'm not as goodas I thought I was or stuff.
And no, Tin Cups got a tick up.
But I mean, you know, it wasjust weird for me to have.
I, I don't know if it's arefreshing take.
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I wouldn't say it's refreshing.
It was just weird.
No, I get it.
Like I Get it?
And I.
Yeah, I don't deny any of thatstuff as far as, like, there's some
strange choices.
And I think I'm usually.
And you guys know this, I'musually a character development fan.
And so.
But I think for me, and I.
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This is just my opinion andhow I look at it, but I think there
is character development inthat he's finds out he's okay with
who he is, and then he hasthat moment at the end where he's
like, man, I gave away thefreaking, you know, the Open.
And she has to, like, therapyhis ass through that, right?
To get him to be okay with it.
But then.
So I like that because I thinkthere is some.
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And to your point, Matson, Icould argue.
My argument would be that bothof those things are true at the same
time.
Like, from an outsideperspective, that moment defined
him.
But from his side and probablyhis friend's side, that's.
He defined that moment.
He made that choice.
So I think it just.
I.
I argue that it's both.
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You know what I mean?
But I do love the moment, too,because it's such his saying, right?
Cheats.
When he's like, that was adefining moment.
The definition was like thoselittle pokes that his friends get.
And especially Cheech, I dolove, too.
When he quits and they'reback, he's trying to talk him back
into it, and he's like, whenyou were with Earl, were you thinking
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about me?
I was thinking about you.
He's like, so.
He's like, well, if you takethe sexual overtones out of it, you're
my Romeo, I'm your Juliet Romeo.
I just.
Their banter back and forth.
I could just sit and watchclips of it because they just cracked
my up.
So, jj, I couldn't help butlaughing when Cheech wasn't catting
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for him as the other guy.
I was like, that might.
That might have been JJ if hewas caddying for me.
Dude, this dude been suckingwind like, five holes in, like, just
give me a beer.
I'm done.
Absolutely, dude.
I mean, like, playing pro golf.
I need a cart.
Sadly, though, you can't playgolf these days at the old back.
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Dude, I wish I could.
I.
You know, I.
All it would take is a phonecall and I'd go golf right now.
I'd pay for it, but I'd golf.
I love golf.
It's so much fun to me, aspainful as it is.
I love golf.
I went.
My nephews that are up here, they.
They like to golf I used togolf my dad a lot growing up.
We went to a bunch of part threes.
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I love going to the driving range.
That's my.
One of my.
In shipping and putting.
I love that.
Playing 18 holes.
It's a long time.
I don't have that kind of timethese days to just be, like, peace
out, wife and kids for, like,four or five hours.
Like, hard.
Hard to come by that amount oftime, especially when they're this
young.
But, like, chip and putting.
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I love it.
But I went golfing.
What were.
This year was, like, latesummer last year.
And I still remember my handstance and, like, all that.
And I still go to the driverange enough, but, man, there was
something to be said forstanding there at the T and just
being like, I don't know wherethis ball's gonna go.
Because my problem with golfis the harder I swing, because I
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could swing hard.
But like most people, theharder you swing with golf, it's
hard to know.
Like, it gets real hard to getthat thing, that puppy, where you
want to go, because any littlewiggle in that club, it's.
So I get up there for the first.
This is.
We played the front nine, getthere, and I was like, I'm gonna
smack the out of this.
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Like, I'm gonna hit this thingso hard.
And I did hit it really hard,but I hit it like a moonshot.
Like, we're talking.
Like, I.
Like, it went up so high,like, it was right next to the clubhouse.
I was like, oh, my gosh.
This thing took forever tocome down.
I probably hit it, like, 120yards, which is not far, but I hit
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that thing so high, like, so high.
And then it was just aconstant battle for the next three
or four holes.
Been at the range in, like, ayear or two just to figure out, like,
getting the right swing speedand cadence.
And then hole six, like Jaywas talking about, smacked the out
of it.
The perfect, perfect hit.
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I hit it so much further thanAlex and Jack and.
And Travis, like, crushed it.
But then my next shot for the approach.
Rude.
That pooch so bad.
Oh, yeah.
That's golf.
Golf, dude.
I'm telling you.
Every time.
I remember one of my greatestshots ever is I get up.
My.
My buddy bought this offsetclub head driver.
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So if you have this real.
If you have a really bad slicewhere it goes right hard, you can
get an offset driver.
So, like, the head's a littletilted funny.
So it helps you get your clubface straight.
So you're not doing that.
And I've never used one.
But he's like, dude, you gotto try this.
Because I have a wicked slicewhen I hit the out of it.
Like, I rarely use a driver.
I don't let the big dog eatbecause that some eats some weird
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when I swing it.
So I rarely.
I normally tee off with athree wood because I can hit the
living dog out of that.
And it's 99 of the time straight.
It's like my seven iron.
I trust my three wood.
What I don't trust is my driver.
But he's like, here, try this.
Offset some.
And I swung my nuts off, dude.
Like, I came out of my shoes.
I swung so hard because Iain't give this thing went straight
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as an arrow.
Freaking as far as I've everhit it.
And I was like, celebrate.
And I'm the greatest.
This is the greatest thingever, Matt.
I'm maybe 60 yards from the green.
I blade the living out of thisball, and it goes 80 yards past the
green, 2 inches off the ground.
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Worm burning its ass all theway down to the next hole.
I'm like, well, I didn't hitthat ball.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Having not golfed on, like, areal course, I was just.
I forgot, like, how fast thegreens can be.
I'm like, that ball did nothitting with a wedge I hadn't done
that in.
So because I driver like 7 5,I didn't hit it in a wedge.
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That's the.
What was the problem with thewedge of a long time?
Because I was close enoughwhere I could do it.
Dude, you barely.
Barely have to touch that puppy.
That ring.
It shoots it out.
I hit it like somewhat of likea normal ish swing.
I was like, oh, I want to walkto go get that one.
That's what I look harder andgo, hey, man, you're on the green.
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Take your putter.
I gotta go get my ball and Iget in the cart and drive over there.
Because that some is out there.
Yeah, it was.
It was something.
So.
So is golf.
Yeah, it's fun.
One of the greatest shots I'veever seen was I took Casey golfing
one time, and we went to thislittle nine hole, par three deal
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in in Roy.
And there's this hole thatruns a bunch of backyards and houses
and whatnot.
And so I always get worriedabout those holes.
Not for me on that one,because I don't hook.
I slice the out.
I don't hook left.
I go right every time almost.
But Casey, she'd never playedgolf before, really.
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And so I didn't know where the.
The ball was gonna go when shewas hitting it.
She gets up, stands up, smacksthis thing, and it goes left.
And I'm like, oh, God.
Thinking window, beingsomebody's kid, somebody's dog, like.
And she hit it good.
So there's a few houses down.
Anyway, so we get in the car,we go driving down, and I'm like,
I see this ball over here onthe left on the fairway.
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I'm like, what the.
I was like, that's not my ball.
I crush that in a way, right?
It's like, that's got to be.
What.
What is that?
So then I'm thinking, somebody else.
I was like, free ball.
So we drive over.
It's Casey's ball.
The guy's in the backyard, okay?
And I'm thinking, okay, hemust have thrown it over.
He's like, I got to tell you something.
I'm like, oh, God, what did we break?
He goes, that was the craziestthing I've ever seen.
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He goes, I'm sitting in mybackyard on the back porch, and all
of a sudden, I hear.
I hear the shot.
Then I see the ball.
It comes in in my yard, hitsmy trampoline.
He's got one of thosetrampolines that, like, embedded
in the ground.
So it says, it hits mytrampoline, bounces off, hits this
tree, bounces over where it'ssitting right now.
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I'm like, sweet.
So there it was.
I was like, greatest golf shotI never saw.
Like, all I saw was swing andthen got the story.
Tin cup hit it off a porta Potty.
That's right.
That's right.
He's gonna hit it off the.
All right, should we rate it?
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Let's do it.
Okay.
I'm gonna give this movie athree and a half.
Look, I love this movie.
I'll watch it anytime.
But it has its issues.
It's a little weird.
It's all over the place.
While I find it funny as it's.
Because it fits my personality perfect.
It's random, it's goofy, it's silly.
It's a little bit ridiculous,and I just have a good time watching
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it.
And it's about golf and.
And Cheech Marin cracks my upthe whole time in this movie.
So, yeah.
But I'm gonna give it a threeand a half.
I will watch this anytime, anywhere.
If anybody wants to sit andwatch this movie and laugh at me
while I laugh at it, game on.
That's the right way to do it.
So, yeah, three and a half.
For me, Matson, I will givethis movie.
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Give it a two and a half.
I think there's, like, this isa classic movie.
JJ Just said it.
If I was watching this withjj, I know I would laugh, and I know
I would laugh more.
It's not that I.
Like, I didn't laugh during this.
It's just.
For whatever reason, Jay, Ithink this is just.
You watch this at a perfecttime in your life, and you really
enjoyed it.
Like, it's just not that forme, but we all have those movies.
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I.
I could rattle off many that Iknow other people were like.
Like, really?
And that's okay.
That's what the beauty of movies.
But it's like, this is like a horrible.
I mean, come on.
We've seen bad movies.
This isn't a bad movie.
It's just.
It's pacing.
Like Jay just said.
It's.
It's just.
It's quirky, and some of thequirks work, but at times, you can
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find yourself just getting alittle exhausted with it.
And that's.
That's kind of where I sitwith it.
But would I watch it again ifI was with Jay, I'd watch it for
sure, because I think I'd belaughing a ton, and I'd laugh more
because of that, but by myself.
And I like golf.
Like, the greatest sportingmoment that I've ever been a part
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of.
I wish I was there in person for.
It is when Tiger came back andwon his last major.
I mean, if I could have cried,I would have.
I really wanted to cry.
I.
I was hoping for tears.
I.
My.
In the greatest athlete I'veever seen in my lifetime, Tiger Woods.
I love golf.
I grew up.
I still.
He gets me to watch TGL on aTuesday night.
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Like, why am I watching that?
Like, because freaking Tigerwoods, dude.
He's the freaking G.
So I wanted to like this moviemore than I liked it.
I didn't.
It's not a bad movie.
Like, it.
All right, Alec, I'm gonnagive it a two.
Fair enough.
That's it.
Just give it a two.
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Just giving it a two.
Everything else has been said.
No comment.
I mean, there's not much more.
Like, de.
Deepen, deeply analyze this movie.
They're.
They're.
This movie would laugh at youfor trying.
Big.
Whoa.
Yeah.
This movie was made for pureentertainment purposes.
Nothing else.
Not.
There was no hidden messages?
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No.
No.
In fact, if anything, it's areversion of growth halfway through
this movie.
Yeah.
What's it.
Funny enough, we talk aboutdefining moment quote, but it's like
this movie wasn't really triedto make us believe that it was a
defining moment.
Just him saying fu.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Cool.
Well, there it is.
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You are welcome whether youlike it or not.
Alec, tell everybody wherethey can find us.
Happy to so if you enjoyedweek three of Kevin Kosher sports
movies and hearing about JJskinny dipping and Matson hitting
the golf ball, you know, goahead and leave us like in a comment.
Let us know your craziest golfstory because I've never been golfing.
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So stupid.
I hate this movie.
Anyways, with that I will kickit back to the King of Crash, the
Sultan of Swing.
JJ thanks, Alec.
Next time you're in Utah, I'lltake you golfing and we can see if
we can get that tuning fork inyour heart and your balls and everything
will be good to go.
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Oh, I.
I've hit a golf ball before.
It wasn't pretty.
It rarely is, my friend.
It rarely is.
All right, well, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the next one.
I mean, I would disagree with you.
I think this is my leastfavorite Kevin Costner movie I've
ever seen.
Wow.
And I would put peak youngKevin Costner in something like Waterworld.
Yeah.
Suck it, J.J.
waterworld blows, dude.
You blow.
Only on special occasions.
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You don't need them.
Unless you're a crackpot golfer.
Anyway.
Yeah, it's was it week two,week three, week three, week three
of our Kevin Costner sportsfilms month here in March.
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And we're.
We're cooking right along andwe're going right with tin Cup.
Round three.
Tin Cut was released August16, 1996.
It was written by JohnNorville and Ron Shelton.
It was directed by Ron Shelton.
Stars Kevin Costner, ReneeRusso, Don Johnson, Cheech Marin,
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Linda Hart, Dennis Berkeley,Lou Myers, Rex Lynn, Richard Lineback
and George Perez.
It's about a washed up golfpro working at a driving range who
tries to qualify for the u.
S.
Open in order to win the heartof his successful rival's girlfriend.
That's a pretty good synopsisof this film.
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This one was mine.
So I'll go ahead and talk.
Right.
Look, I don't love Kevin Costner.
I think I mentioned that bothof the previous movies.
He's not my favorite usually,but this is.
This to me is like outside oflike his serious later that he's
done and he's like really mean.
Like this to me was Pete KevinCostner when he was young because
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he's.
He tried to always do theserious movies like dances with wolves
and like the postman and likeall these dead serious hard.
But he's really to me likethis goofy idiot character really
works for him, at least whenhe was younger.
So I appreciate this film.
I also like the ridiculousnessof this film.
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Playing golf with likegardening tools and makes me laugh.
The.
Some of the speeches.
Like when I was in highschool, we did a.
That I had to do.
Like I was in speech anddebate or whatever because I like
to argue.
But like I was in.
We had to do a monologue froma movie and I picked the.
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The Broy Macavoy swing is great.
So I used to.
I can't do it anymore.
I tried, but I don't have itall memorized anymore.
When you golf, did this moviejust play in your head and repeat?
You had to make sure youwaggled the.
Waggled the club.
Yeah, well, this movie.
And then, yeah, of course,like Happy Gilmore and like any other
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golf movie you can think ofthat are just outrageous and silly.
That's always what I wasthinking because I'm a terrible golfer.
Love to play.
But hey, golf and sex, twothings you don't have to be good
at to enjoy.
So it's very true statement.
But yeah, no, I.
Look, I think this movie's hilarious.
I didn't actually see thismovie until I was.
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It's a old movie, but I didn'tsee it until I was way an adult because
I.
Again, Kevin Costner, not mytop choice typically.
But when I watched it, I got a.
I still to this day have.
What got you to watch it then?
If you were a Kevin Costnerfan, you watch this later in life.
Casey.
Casey's a huge Kevin Costner fan.
And.
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And.
And she's also a huge ReneeRusso fan.
So when you combine them,she's like, you haven't seen Tin
Cup?
I'm like, I don't like KevinCostner that much.
So then I watched it and Ilaughed quite a bit.
But it's funny because.
And I think I mentioned thisin a previous one of the last two
weeks, but Kevin Costner, tome, is another one of these actors
that at the end of the day,he's not the most phenomenal actor
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on the planet by a long shot,but he does surround himself with
really great actors.
And so, like, it's interestingto me because like in this film,
Cheech Marin steals this movie.
Like, he's the best part ofthis movie, in my opinion.
And I like, look, don't get mewrong, I like Tin Cup.
I like the character.
But I, yeah, Cheese Marin justcracks my.
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Up the whole movie.
And.
And then like his little crew,like that crew feels way too familiar
for me.
Those, Those.
That group of just absolutemoronic Ass clowns.
Like those are my people.
So I, yeah, I can reallyrelate to this film.
So that's where this moviecame from for me is it was one of
those things that started toconvert me to Kevin Costner when
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I was finally put onto this movie.
But that my brother in law, heloves it too.
Like Rick, we used to gogolfing all the time and so we'd
always quote Tin cup while wewere golfing.
It was fun.
Yeah.
I mean, I know neither of youthought this was a wonderful, great,
exciting film.
I've.
I've heard from both of younow about it.
You're welcome regardless.
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But I'm excited to hear whatyou guys on it for.
I have ideas, but.
So I will say I will give apositive to this movie first.
So the using the gardeningtools to golf cracked me up.
And the reason was I'm apretty big dude, perfect fan.
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And they have a couple videoswhere they do like this all sports
golf thing.
So it's essentially the same thing.
And I've been wondering wherethey got the idea from.
Tin cup there.
Oh yeah.
Gave them the idea for it.
And I was watching this justcracking up because I was like, this
is, I want to know who came upwith the idea, like to use a rake
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as a putter but hold it like apool cue.
Yeah.
Like the maniacal laugh afterwards.
Yeah.
I go back to 400 bucks.
I can beat you with this.
And then they actually do itand that.
So that sequence was just phenomenal.
But then, I mean, I woulddisagree with you.
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I think this is my leastfavorite Kevin Costner movie I've
ever seen.
Wow.
And I would put peak youngKevin Costner in something like Waterworld.
Yeah.
Suck it, jj.
Water world blows, dude.
You blow only on special occasions.
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And so I, I'm watching RoyMcAvoy as Tin cup and it's, it's
set up for greatness.
And then it gets in its ownway like four or five times to where
now I'm just like, dude, this,this is trash.
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I hate it.
I hate every part of it.
And he even gets the pointwhere I'm like the.
You took Cheech and you may.
You ruined him for me.
What?
He made Cheech so good.
But there was parts in thismovie where I was like, I need teach
to be teach.
And they tried to make himplay a part.
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Oh man, I love teaching this.
Yeah, it was, I didn't like it.
I mean, I would say thank youfor making me watch it, but I feel
like I could have googled oryoutubed certain aspects of it and
been completely fine.
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Right, McAvoy.
Love it.
Love it.
All right, Madsen, bring it on.
Your turn to all over it.
Look like I.
Things go kind of two ways.
I either hate something andI'm passionately hating it, or I
hate it.
And, like, I've already hadamnesia about why I didn't like it.
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This is that movie.
Like, I had to break thismovie up and watch it because one
Tay stopped watching it.
We called JJ so she could justberate him and, like, bombasted with
her opinion about how annoyedshe was with this movie, how dumb
it was.
And then so I had to watch onmy own and I had to break it up in
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a couple instances justbecause I had to take it in chunks.
And, like, that's never good.
Like, that's.
That's usually just a badrecipe for a movie that doesn't captivate
my attention.
Like, were there parts that Iwanted to be like, the garden tools
were.
It was interesting, but HappyGilmore doesn't use a gardening tool,
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but he makes golf much moreenjoyable and interesting to me.
She just.
Character.
Your opinion is even worsethere, America.
The people agrees with that.
No.
Like, I don't know.
Like, what was it?
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I don't know.
This movie, it just didn't goanywhere for me.
Like, I.
I hated the ending.
Like, I know why it ended thatway, but, like, he can't learn.
He can't grow.
Like, my gosh, 12 strokes toend it when you could have won it.
Like, come on now.
Like, what are we.
What are we doing here?
Like, I know it's so classicTin cup, and he's legendary for it,
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but, like, I think I justhated his wife beater.
Look, half the time, like, itjust bothered me, this trailer trash.
I guess I just.
It never hit the vibe, like,the jokes.
It was.
This movie is very witty andit had some clever banter, but I
don't know.
Like, I think I just didn'tlike the subject matter so much.
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It just.
Look, I've already tried torepress it, and that's kind of where
my mind sits right now.
Here's a man that claims to beby the people and for the people,
but shits on the wife beaterin the trailer trash.
Yeah.
See, Madison, this is the onetime America doesn't agree with us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We are.
We are the wrong right now as.
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A part of just, like, look atthe picture on our screen.
He just doesn't look good inthat get up.
It's just not for him.
Dude, have you been to, like,47 United States of America?
And have you been.
I'm not saying other people.
I'm not saying other people don't.
I'm just saying it.
I just didn't vibe with him.
But you're the man of the people.
Yeah.
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One of the.
One of the parts that did makeme laugh, though, is the part where
he is going to.
He goes, sees the.
The doctor for therapy.
That chick comes out and she'scrying because apparently he's in
the exit room that was stillbeing made.
He goes in, tells her stuff,and then he's about to leave.
He's like, I'm sorry, she'sstill crying.
Like, that part was funny to me.
Like, that.
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That.
That totally made me laugh.
I was like, ah, yeah, I could.
I can imagine that.
I don't know.
It just didn't resonate with me.
Like, this just wasn't feelingthe hero work.
Yeah, I.
That it surprises me because,like, I am, like, I get.
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It's kind of a weird, like,premise, but, like, the.
The ending, I think it's oneof the greatest endings ever.
Because it's so true to methat, like, look, I watch the U.S.
open every year.
I think the U.S.
opens, amazing.
I think Augusta is.
I want to play Augusta onetime in my life, but I'm not that
wealthy.
So, like.
But I would like watching thatscene where he lines up.
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Because I've played a lot ofgolf when I was.
When I was younger, I playedgolf like, multiple times a week.
So it was like, I love golf.
And so watching.
And I'm that guy.
Like, if I hit a shot that I'mlike, I know I can hit that shot.
Oh, it's so hard for me not tojust drop right there and hit that
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shot again as a point of pride.
Now, obviously, I'm notplaying for the US Open, but at the
end of the day, like, I lovethat the character is true to himself
and who he is, and he doesn'tgive two shits about the US Open.
Really?
Like, really?
He doesn't.
He cares about him, and heonly starts doing the US Open in
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order to impress her.
And so it's like, to me, I'mlike, that's so true to this character.
And then normally I'd bepissed because I'm like, well, now
you're up the US Open, andmore than likely you're pissing off
the girl.
But she's just as cuckoo asCoke for Cocoa Puffs as he is.
If she's standing on thefreaking infield, like, laughing
and giggling and telling themto go for it.
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In fact, she's the one thattells him to go for it in the first
place on that first shot.
And then it.
So it's like, I just loveeverything about that because it's
so ridiculous.
But I can see some lining upand doing that just for the sake
of saying that they club that.
And then the other piece thatI love about it is golf.
Is that.
At least for me, golf can be the.
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Is the most irritating,frustrating, annoying sport I've
ever played in my life.
But I could have the worst dayof golf, miss every shot.
Fucking triple bogeys on every hole.
And then one hole I hit thisjust absolute beauty of a fade.
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It's just dropping in and it'slong, or it's right on the green,
or I freaking chip one up andit gets super close, or I tank, and
all of a sudden, everythingthat I did that was shitty before
is over, and I'm ready to keepon playing that game.
And that's one of the onlygames and sports that I've ever played
that.
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That does that for me.
Like, normally, like, I couldplay a lot of baseball.
We talked about that previoustwo, and, like, if I got in a slump
or a funk in baseball, like,it was hard for me to get out of
it.
Like, even when I didsomething good, I was always focusing
on the.
That I did wrong.
Golf is one of the onlysports, if not the only sport, at
least for me, where one greatshot can erase in my mind and, like,
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my confidence every shittyshot that led up to it.
And so I just.
I really can relate to that.
Like, especially when he hitsit and it rolls up.
Like, I'm like, every time Iget, like, it gets me.
I'm like, yes.
Way to go, Cup.
Way to sink that.
Because if it didn't go in,it's probably coming back off the
green again.
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So I just.
For me, like, I get one, Ilaugh through this whole movie.
And then two, like, the endingwhen he's, like, on it.
I love that.
As ridiculous as it is.
Maybe part of my problem comesfrom my lack of knowledge with golf,
But I had a hard time tellingif Tim cup was a good golfer or if
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he was lucky, like, throughoutthe movie.
Sure.
Because it comes down to he'sgot these, you know, moments where
he's like, oh, I can hit that shot.
I can hit that shot.
I can hit that shot.
Now, granted, he never saysanything else except that he can
the shot.
So you Know, play your percentages.
But you have him hit, youknow, the shot that gets him noticed,
right?
This incredible shot wherethey're like, hey, there's no way
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I want to see it.
Yeah.
But then he hits it.
And so then you're like, oh,no, this guy's got talent.
Then he goes.
This whole thing where he'sgot the yips and stuff like that,
but you have.
For most.
I'm sitting there going, wait,is he good at golfing or is he just
super lucky?
And, you know, he kind of.
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Look, it's.
Come on.
It's hard to tell if he's goodor if he's talented, because the
part where he's in theclubhouse and he hits the pelican,
like, get out of here, Jay.
Like, one.
You tell me.
People are gonna.
They're gonna be like, threefeet apart in either way.
Be like, oh, we're in.
The lady that leans into the door.
We're like, I'm sorry, lady.
You might want to put yourhead back just on the off chance
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that he shanks it slightly andends your life.
Like, no chance.
No.
I could see it happening.
No.
The golf course is the dumbest place.
Like, people do some serious.
Dude.
Okay, Let me tell you a storyabout golf and courses.
Like, so golf balls are not cheap.
Even back when I was playing alot, they're expensive.
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Sure.
So to get golf balls, there'sa lot of golf courses here in Utah.
And there's one.
There's, like four of themthat are right around my house, and
there's one.
I won't say the name of it.
I don't know, but we had afriend who lived.
Their fence.
Their back fence was over thisgolf course.
Like, connected this golf course.
So one night we were like, weneed golf balls.
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So we hopped that fence andwent skinny dipping in one of the
ponds to get water hazardsfor, like, two hours.
Came up with, like, 300 golf balls.
It was great.
But, like, skinny dipping.
You weren't wearing any clothes?
No, I was dead ass nakedrunning around the golf course to
the different water.
Hot water.
Why did you just wear your boxers?
Because it was.
Because I was fucking 19 andbeing dumb.
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Like, why not go fuckingskinny dipping?
This is my favorite JJ story ever.
If there was ladies involved,I can understand.
Well, yeah.
I mean, there was, like sevenof us, like, and there were two girls
and a bunch of guys.
This makes me feel better.
Okay.
I mean, it was.
Look, I'd have done it.
I thought it was just you guys.
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I thought it was just you andyour buddy.
I was like, okay, like, let'stake our clothes up.
Look, I'm not gonna lie thatthat water is kind of dirty.
So, I mean, I wouldn't.
I could see myself doing it regardless.
Because I don't give a about that.
Like, for me, it's more about,am I doing something dumb and having
a good time?
A right, I am.
And so it was cool.
But, yeah, like, we came witha lot of golf balls, and there's
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always gambling going on ingolf, like, between people and doing
dumb.
So, yes, I think to yourpoint, they probably wouldn't have
stood in that row.
But at the same time, you'realso dealing with a bunch of professional
golfers or golfers that aregood enough to get into the US Open.
And while an amateur can makeit, you still got to qualify.
And it's not easy to qualify.
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Like these local and regional.
No chance he gets that shot onthe first try.
No way.
Oh, I don't put it.
Dude, you throw a.
Someone that's an intimate.
Like a golfer, that where theyprovide the level of skill that he's
supposed to have in the game.
Absolutely.
Tiger woods, for example,they're doing this indoor golf shit
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right now.
So they know he hit the camera.
Well, no, but they want.
He hit the camera.
But two, they told him.
He's like, how far is it?
And they tried to say 199.
Hear the one, the hits it ahundred yards on the nut.
Dude, these guys know how tohit a golf ball.
And it's just like CheechMarin's character is like, dude,
it's a hooded seven iron or ahooded four iron, whatever it was,
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they know.
They see that.
They're like, I can do that.
And as long as they strike the ball.
Alec, to your point, like,where you're talking about, like,
golf being that good, it's alittle bit of all of what you're
talking about.
You have to have the skill setto understand what the ball is going
to do with what club, whereit's going, how far you want it to
go, the direction.
I mean, these pro golfers thatare playing on the tours and like,
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you can tell.
They can tell hit it whatlooks like a normal stroke, but to
us, as it goes, it's hookingor it's fading right or left.
And they do that on purpose,or they'll hit it in a way so when
it hits the green, it backsthe up because they hit it so that
it puts backspin.
And they know how to do allthat So I have no shock now, obviously,
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it's.
That's a crazy ass shot.
So could he do it on the first one?
Yes.
But then that comes into whatyou're talking about.
Like, you need a little bit ofluck because no matter how much skill
you are, if you tow it, youhit it with the front end of the
club or you heal it and hit ittowards the stem of the club, it's
not going to go where you wantit to go.
And you have to do thebackswing, the hit and the follow
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through all perfectly almost for.
And then hope it hits the club.
Right.
So there's a little bit of allthat you have to have to skill, but
you also got to have a littlebit of luck because for me.
When we get to the final shot,right, any, you know, 12, 13 balls,
whatever it is.
Yeah.
I'm sitting there going, okay,well, if everybody took 12 or 13
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shots, could they also hit itin like.
Because he's.
He's the only one who's strongarming it because he's, you know,
fucking.
He's the only one dumb enoughto try to get television.
Yeah.
He doesn't give any shit aboutthe US Open.
So he's just going to make the shot.
Yeah.
Right.
That's his primary thing.
So I'm sitting there going,well, okay, because it's supposed
to be this really difficultshot, but that makes it difficult
that the course is a par 5 orwhatever it was.
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Yeah, it's really long.
Yeah.
So you, you have a certainamount of shots.
That's why they do it.
Right.
But if you're just sittingback there, you know, do over, do
over, do over and rack up the score.
So I'm sitting there and I'mhaving trouble connecting the dots
and making these really coolshots versus the just kind of strong
arming and, you know, beingable to hit the ball that far and
then just getting it to landright by doing it over and over again.
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And so we get to the end ofthe payoff and I'm kind of.
Like, huh, that's fair.
I mean, I can see, like, ifyou didn't understand, like, why
that's such a difficult shot,and really that one is just about
distance.
And then that hole, the waterhazard that you got to clear that
water, and then the fact thatthe green angles back down towards
it, like, there's a lot ofthings working against you in that
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hole.
And most of the time it makes.
A good point, though.
Like, how many of those othergolfers, if they wanted to, could
have done it in that manyshots now I could think the smartest
thing.
So I'm missing the miraculousfinish part because I'm sitting there
going, okay, well.
If everything it isn't didn't care.
It's just a stubborn dick.
Yeah, that's the thing islike, they even talk about John Daly,
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who hits the ball like a truck.
Like that's his thing.
The hits the ball a countrymile every time he hits it.
He great golfer, but his thingwas distance more than anything in
power because he's this bigfat weird and he's funny as hell.
But anyway, so they talkedabout daily trying it.
And he's typically known to bethe biggest hitter in the tour, at
least back then in the 90s.
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And so it's not about.
It's a stupid ass shot.
He shouldn't be taking it atthat distance.
Like they say.
He should be laying up, hitthe seven iron, get it to where it's
just a nice little easy smackwith a.
With an iron of some sort, adifferent, smaller club up onto the
green, and then you putt forbirdie, which is one under par, and
you're still doing great, right?
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But there is something about.
And I don't know what it isabout golf, but once you get a hold,
it gets a hold of you.
And like, man, if I have achance for an eagle, so I have a
chance to get on a par five onthe green in two hits, I want to
do it, but you got to be ableto hit it hard and far.
And he should never.
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And that's the whole point.
He should never have beentaking the shot.
And it's dumb even to take,like the first time he does it when
that dude freaking hold outand at par, and he.
All he has to do is birdie.
Like, there's no way in hellhe should have taken that shot.
And if she hadn't looked athim and nodded, he might not have.
I.
Because I think that's thepart that I love is right there in
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that moment, Cheech was like,dude, lay up.
He's got the club.
And then he looks over atfreaking doctor lady and she gives
him the nod.
So then he puts him in a placewhere he's playing to tie, right?
And so it's like.
And then once that's over, he's.
And I, for me, like, whattriggers it and what I love, my favorite
shot that he hits, that hehits is the first time when he's
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playing the record round, andhe's like, I'm going for it.
And he smacks it.
And he's like, we're home.
He's like, oh, that's it.
And then that little gust ofwind pushes it just.
It slows it down just enoughto have it roll back down.
And I love, like, that littlegust from the gods, but I love that
because that's the moment thattriggers the final thing.
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Because he hit the green, heknows he can get there.
It's just got to be theperfect circumstance.
And that little nugget ofconfidence of I can do that triggers
the most ridiculous ending ofa golf match.
But at the same time, I loveher comment at the end.
She goes, nobody rememberswho's gonna win, who won the Open,
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but they'll remember your 12.
And I'm like, that's true.
Because there's guys thatscore that don't even make the cut
in the Open.
So to help you out, ALEC, theyplay four rounds of golf for the
U.S.
in most major tournaments, thefirst two are called the cut.
You have to get a certainscore to make it to the second two
rounds.
A lot of guys that don't evenmake the cut end up on Sports center
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years and years and years andyears, for years and years because
they make some crazy chip orthey hit one out of the sand.
And that's the.
That golf, like non golfersremember when they.
Because that's what they playon Sports.
The 12 would have been on, andyou guys know it.
The 12 would have been on ESPNfor the next six months, right?
And so he becomes a legend,even though he up and was dumb and
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they'll criticize him for it.
But, like, that's the partthat I love is, like, it's just this
dumb situation, but I canrelate to it.
Like, I would have a hard timenot being Tin cup in that moment
if I had the skill set and Iwas doing it.
Like, I would have a hard timenot doing it.
So that's where I can reallyrelate to that.
That and then the funny lines.
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I did.
I did a fair bit of golfinggrowing up.
Watched a lot of golf growing up.
D if we're trying to say this, just.
Yeah, whatever.
Well, that's the part two,though, that you reference.
And I'm gonna get into.
I'm gonna steal your thunder alittle, Alec, because go for it.
You're gonna have a way better delivery.
Well, because I'm gettinginto, like, you talk about Happy
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Gilmore, and I know you likeHappy Gilmore.
So here's my problem withHappy Gilmore is this dude makes
a tour with the mostunrealistic hits ever created.
Like, there's no way somebodyconsistently walks into a swing like
that every single time.
And clubs 100 miles.
So I'm trying to figure out,like, why that makes sense.
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It is.
Okay, but this dude whoactually played.
The movie was never trying tobe serious.
But then this guy's a goodgolfer, and he has a chance to actually
win the U.S.
open.
And he's stubborn enough wherehe can't realize, you know what?
Maybe at least after the firsttime he went for it, maybe he should
lay up after this.
I thought there would just bethe typical Hollywood progression
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where he realized, you know what?
This is my moment to do theright thing, the thing that I have
gone against my whole entire life.
But it could be said in theopposite vein that this was a refreshing
take in Hollywood.
Didn't Hollywoodize something?
Like, it was actually like,oh, someone actually stuck to who
they are.
I'm just like, get out ofhere, dude.
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You have a chance to win the U.S.
open.
You're telling me you're gonnapass that payday up and all that
just to prove a point?
Come on.
Yeah, no, I get your preserve.
I get the perspective on upthe the U.S.
look, if I was his.
Friend, I'd definitely betelling me you were an idiot.
Really stupid.
Sure.
Yeah.
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Did like, seven times.
Yeah.
Well, I love the line, too, Cheech.
Like, he has so many lines forme, but, like, at the end, when he's
like, this is your last ball.
If you don't get on.
On this one, yeah.
You don't turn your card.
You're done.
And he's like, I can get there.
He's a do it.
Then, like, that's, I just love.
And I think that's the otherthing I love, too, in that moment
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is where everybody finallyjust goes, look, he's, this is what
it is, and this is him.
It just hit it, dude.
Like, and I, I just think that.
That that phrase, that'simportant in this movie, when a defining
moment comes along, you definethe moment or the moment defines
you.
To me, you could see it, but Icould, I could see either of us arguing
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for or against that in thelast moment of what did he define
it or it.
Did it define him?
I think both of us could claimwhat we're saying.
I, I, I think he let that moment.
He, he didn't define it.
He let it define him.
And he stayed where he was,where he could have risen to the
occasion and evolved where.
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But you could say the exact opposite.
And still be true based offhow he believes that statement to
be?
Yeah, so I just think that waspolarizing to me.
I gotta be honest, Alec, likeI thought this would be a movie you
would have liked quite a bit.
Like, I don't like I'm gonna end.
I know I don't have like, Idon't hate this movie or far from
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it.
I think it was entertaining.
I just don't like the way it ended.
But I am surprised that youdidn't like the movie at all because
like the humor level and likeCheech and like how brash Tin cup
is, especially Cheech is liketelling them how it is.
I thought you would reallylike that.
Yeah.
There's got to be someinteractions that you had to like.
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So they're like.
It has its moments, right?
Sure.
Something that I'm going touse frequently from now on is gotta
let the big dog eat.
And I'm gonna use it in themost inappropriate.
Never think of.
Because that's funny.
And I enjoyed the like, youknow, starstruck Cheech where he's
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going around gettingeverybody's autograph as they're,
you know, as Tin cup shakingballs down the line and he's just,
you know, going over next tohim and getting his autographs.
That cracks me up.
And so there's, there's theseoccasional one off moments, but kind
of a little bit to what Matsonwas talking about, you have almost
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his progression that goesforward but then doesn't decide to
follow through.
And so you have going totherapy, trying to get better, trying
to do this and then, nope, I'mTim Cup.
Fuck it.
Oh yeah.
So for, for a lot of it, likethe interactions that were kind of
cool lose for me.
But the, the, the one thatstuck out probably, probably the
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most was actually where Tincup got tin cups.
Whatever, dude.
He's like, I can hit thisfurther than you can seven iron or
whatever it was.
Oh, dude.
And he club said, he's like, yeah.
And then this dude just sendsit rolling down the road.
And for the car, the Cadillacnow it's like, you know that that's
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the option to be that definingmoment or the moment to find you,
whatever.
And it's like I'm not as goodas I thought I was or stuff.
And no, Tin Cups got a tick up.
But I mean, you know, it wasjust weird for me to have.
I, I don't know if it's arefreshing take.
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I wouldn't say it's refreshing.
It was just weird.
No, I get it.
Like I Get it?
And I.
Yeah, I don't deny any of thatstuff as far as, like, there's some
strange choices.
And I think I'm usually.
And you guys know this, I'musually a character development fan.
And so.
But I think for me, and I.
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This is just my opinion andhow I look at it, but I think there
is character development inthat he's finds out he's okay with
who he is, and then he hasthat moment at the end where he's
like, man, I gave away thefreaking, you know, the Open.
And she has to, like, therapyhis ass through that, right?
To get him to be okay with it.
But then.
So I like that because I thinkthere is some.
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And to your point, Matson, Icould argue.
My argument would be that bothof those things are true at the same
time.
Like, from an outsideperspective, that moment defined
him.
But from his side and probablyhis friend's side, that's.
He defined that moment.
He made that choice.
So I think it just.
I.
I argue that it's both.
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You know what I mean?
But I do love the moment, too,because it's such his saying, right?
Cheats.
When he's like, that was adefining moment.
The definition was like thoselittle pokes that his friends get.
And especially Cheech, I dolove, too.
When he quits and they'reback, he's trying to talk him back
into it, and he's like, whenyou were with Earl, were you thinking
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about me?
I was thinking about you.
He's like, so.
He's like, well, if you takethe sexual overtones out of it, you're
my Romeo, I'm your Juliet Romeo.
I just.
Their banter back and forth.
I could just sit and watchclips of it because they just cracked
my up.
So, jj, I couldn't help butlaughing when Cheech wasn't catting
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for him as the other guy.
I was like, that might.
That might have been JJ if hewas caddying for me.
Dude, this dude been suckingwind like, five holes in, like, just
give me a beer.
I'm done.
Absolutely, dude.
I mean, like, playing pro golf.
I need a cart.
Sadly, though, you can't playgolf these days at the old back.
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Dude, I wish I could.
I.
You know, I.
All it would take is a phonecall and I'd go golf right now.
I'd pay for it, but I'd golf.
I love golf.
It's so much fun to me, aspainful as it is.
I love golf.
I went.
My nephews that are up here, they.
They like to golf I used togolf my dad a lot growing up.
We went to a bunch of part threes.
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I love going to the driving range.
That's my.
One of my.
In shipping and putting.
I love that.
Playing 18 holes.
It's a long time.
I don't have that kind of timethese days to just be, like, peace
out, wife and kids for, like,four or five hours.
Like, hard.
Hard to come by that amount oftime, especially when they're this
young.
But, like, chip and putting.
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I love it.
But I went golfing.
What were.
This year was, like, latesummer last year.
And I still remember my handstance and, like, all that.
And I still go to the driverange enough, but, man, there was
something to be said forstanding there at the T and just
being like, I don't know wherethis ball's gonna go.
Because my problem with golfis the harder I swing, because I
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could swing hard.
But like most people, theharder you swing with golf, it's
hard to know.
Like, it gets real hard to getthat thing, that puppy, where you
want to go, because any littlewiggle in that club, it's.
So I get up there for the first.
This is.
We played the front nine, getthere, and I was like, I'm gonna
smack the out of this.
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Like, I'm gonna hit this thingso hard.
And I did hit it really hard,but I hit it like a moonshot.
Like, we're talking.
Like, I.
Like, it went up so high,like, it was right next to the clubhouse.
I was like, oh, my gosh.
This thing took forever tocome down.
I probably hit it, like, 120yards, which is not far, but I hit
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that thing so high, like, so high.
And then it was just aconstant battle for the next three
or four holes.
Been at the range in, like, ayear or two just to figure out, like,
getting the right swing speedand cadence.
And then hole six, like Jaywas talking about, smacked the out
of it.
The perfect, perfect hit.
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I hit it so much further thanAlex and Jack and.
And Travis, like, crushed it.
But then my next shot for the approach.
Rude.
That pooch so bad.
Oh, yeah.
That's golf.
Golf, dude.
I'm telling you.
Every time.
I remember one of my greatestshots ever is I get up.
My.
My buddy bought this offsetclub head driver.
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So if you have this real.
If you have a really bad slicewhere it goes right hard, you can
get an offset driver.
So, like, the head's a littletilted funny.
So it helps you get your clubface straight.
So you're not doing that.
And I've never used one.
But he's like, dude, you gotto try this.
Because I have a wicked slicewhen I hit the out of it.
Like, I rarely use a driver.
I don't let the big dog eatbecause that some eats some weird
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when I swing it.
So I rarely.
I normally tee off with athree wood because I can hit the
living dog out of that.
And it's 99 of the time straight.
It's like my seven iron.
I trust my three wood.
What I don't trust is my driver.
But he's like, here, try this.
Offset some.
And I swung my nuts off, dude.
Like, I came out of my shoes.
I swung so hard because Iain't give this thing went straight
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as an arrow.
Freaking as far as I've everhit it.
And I was like, celebrate.
And I'm the greatest.
This is the greatest thingever, Matt.
I'm maybe 60 yards from the green.
I blade the living out of thisball, and it goes 80 yards past the
green, 2 inches off the ground.
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Worm burning its ass all theway down to the next hole.
I'm like, well, I didn't hitthat ball.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Having not golfed on, like, areal course, I was just.
I forgot, like, how fast thegreens can be.
I'm like, that ball did nothitting with a wedge I hadn't done
that in.
So because I driver like 7 5,I didn't hit it in a wedge.
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That's the.
What was the problem with thewedge of a long time?
Because I was close enoughwhere I could do it.
Dude, you barely.
Barely have to touch that puppy.
That ring.
It shoots it out.
I hit it like somewhat of likea normal ish swing.
I was like, oh, I want to walkto go get that one.
That's what I look harder andgo, hey, man, you're on the green.
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Take your putter.
I gotta go get my ball and Iget in the cart and drive over there.
Because that some is out there.
Yeah, it was.
It was something.
So.
So is golf.
Yeah, it's fun.
One of the greatest shots I'veever seen was I took Casey golfing
one time, and we went to thislittle nine hole, par three deal
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in in Roy.
And there's this hole thatruns a bunch of backyards and houses
and whatnot.
And so I always get worriedabout those holes.
Not for me on that one,because I don't hook.
I slice the out.
I don't hook left.
I go right every time almost.
But Casey, she'd never playedgolf before, really.
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And so I didn't know where the.
The ball was gonna go when shewas hitting it.
She gets up, stands up, smacksthis thing, and it goes left.
And I'm like, oh, God.
Thinking window, beingsomebody's kid, somebody's dog, like.
And she hit it good.
So there's a few houses down.
Anyway, so we get in the car,we go driving down, and I'm like,
I see this ball over here onthe left on the fairway.
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I'm like, what the.
I was like, that's not my ball.
I crush that in a way, right?
It's like, that's got to be.
What.
What is that?
So then I'm thinking, somebody else.
I was like, free ball.
So we drive over.
It's Casey's ball.
The guy's in the backyard, okay?
And I'm thinking, okay, hemust have thrown it over.
He's like, I got to tell you something.
I'm like, oh, God, what did we break?
He goes, that was the craziestthing I've ever seen.
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He goes, I'm sitting in mybackyard on the back porch, and all
of a sudden, I hear.
I hear the shot.
Then I see the ball.
It comes in in my yard, hitsmy trampoline.
He's got one of thosetrampolines that, like, embedded
in the ground.
So it says, it hits mytrampoline, bounces off, hits this
tree, bounces over where it'ssitting right now.
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I'm like, sweet.
So there it was.
I was like, greatest golf shotI never saw.
Like, all I saw was swing andthen got the story.
Tin cup hit it off a porta Potty.
That's right.
That's right.
He's gonna hit it off the.
All right, should we rate it?
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Let's do it.
Okay.
I'm gonna give this movie athree and a half.
Look, I love this movie.
I'll watch it anytime.
But it has its issues.
It's a little weird.
It's all over the place.
While I find it funny as it's.
Because it fits my personality perfect.
It's random, it's goofy, it's silly.
It's a little bit ridiculous,and I just have a good time watching
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it.
And it's about golf and.
And Cheech Marin cracks my upthe whole time in this movie.
So, yeah.
But I'm gonna give it a threeand a half.
I will watch this anytime, anywhere.
If anybody wants to sit andwatch this movie and laugh at me
while I laugh at it, game on.
That's the right way to do it.
So, yeah, three and a half.
For me, Matson, I will givethis movie.
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Give it a two and a half.
I think there's, like, this isa classic movie.
JJ Just said it.
If I was watching this withjj, I know I would laugh, and I know
I would laugh more.
It's not that I.
Like, I didn't laugh during this.
It's just.
For whatever reason, Jay, Ithink this is just.
You watch this at a perfecttime in your life, and you really
enjoyed it.
Like, it's just not that forme, but we all have those movies.
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I.
I could rattle off many that Iknow other people were like.
Like, really?
And that's okay.
That's what the beauty of movies.
But it's like, this is like a horrible.
I mean, come on.
We've seen bad movies.
This isn't a bad movie.
It's just.
It's pacing.
Like Jay just said.
It's.
It's just.
It's quirky, and some of thequirks work, but at times, you can
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find yourself just getting alittle exhausted with it.
And that's.
That's kind of where I sitwith it.
But would I watch it again ifI was with Jay, I'd watch it for
sure, because I think I'd belaughing a ton, and I'd laugh more
because of that, but by myself.
And I like golf.
Like, the greatest sportingmoment that I've ever been a part
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of.
I wish I was there in person for.
It is when Tiger came back andwon his last major.
I mean, if I could have cried,I would have.
I really wanted to cry.
I.
I was hoping for tears.
I.
My.
In the greatest athlete I'veever seen in my lifetime, Tiger Woods.
I love golf.
I grew up.
I still.
He gets me to watch TGL on aTuesday night.
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Like, why am I watching that?
Like, because freaking Tigerwoods, dude.
He's the freaking G.
So I wanted to like this moviemore than I liked it.
I didn't.
It's not a bad movie.
Like, it.
All right, Alec, I'm gonnagive it a two.
Fair enough.
That's it.
Just give it a two.
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Just giving it a two.
Everything else has been said.
No comment.
I mean, there's not much more.
Like, de.
Deepen, deeply analyze this movie.
They're.
They're.
This movie would laugh at youfor trying.
Big.
Whoa.
Yeah.
This movie was made for pureentertainment purposes.
Nothing else.
Not.
There was no hidden messages?
(42:53):
No.
No.
In fact, if anything, it's areversion of growth halfway through
this movie.
Yeah.
What's it.
Funny enough, we talk aboutdefining moment quote, but it's like
this movie wasn't really triedto make us believe that it was a
defining moment.
Just him saying fu.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Cool.
Well, there it is.
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You are welcome whether youlike it or not.
Alec, tell everybody wherethey can find us.
Happy to so if you enjoyedweek three of Kevin Kosher sports
movies and hearing about JJskinny dipping and Matson hitting
the golf ball, you know, goahead and leave us like in a comment.
Let us know your craziest golfstory because I've never been golfing.
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So stupid.
I hate this movie.
Anyways, with that I will kickit back to the King of Crash, the
Sultan of Swing.
JJ thanks, Alec.
Next time you're in Utah, I'lltake you golfing and we can see if
we can get that tuning fork inyour heart and your balls and everything
will be good to go.
(44:20):
Oh, I.
I've hit a golf ball before.
It wasn't pretty.
It rarely is, my friend.
It rarely is.
All right, well, as always, weappreciate you tuning in.
We'll catch you on the next one.
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