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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Welcome in, We'll drive in the Great episode two ninety four.
Appropriately dressed today with the Chiefs Colors villain sweatshirt. He got,
all right, you need a bad guy, will be your
bad guy. I You are gonna unbelievable. The amount of
whining and bitching and moaning from folks at the praying

(01:06):
at the altar, defending a Texans team that did everything
you do to lose a game. Terrible special teams. Check
lose your composure, check score one touchdown on offense, check
all the refs, every single one of those calls. Everyone's
complaining about having when the Chiefs had the ball. The
Texans big advantage is their defensive line. Their guy got

(01:29):
sacked eight times their guy. So but that's fine. I
part of me understands it because I will admit, during
the midst of the Patriots dynasty, I felt like they
got all the calls, so I empathize. But what was
tied to the Patriots. The feeling of the unfairness with

(01:54):
the Patriots was the multiple documented cheating scandals that they
lost half picks or had their quarterback suspended four so
it was like, oh, it feels like it might not
all be above board. The Chiefs invite a pop star
to a game and people are like, man, the NFL's
rigging it. By the way, how would that work. I'm

(02:14):
just curious when they're like, the NFL is rigging it.
We know the NFL is just thirty two owners of
other teams. They're like, guys, here's the plan. We're screwing
our own team, and the Texans owners like, gosh darn it.
All right, fine, I'm in on it, but I don't
like it. Boys, but I'm in on it. So it's

(02:36):
not the owner, So who is it? Roger Goodell, who
works for the owners and makes sixty million a year.
Sixty million a year, highest speed person in sports. More
he might make all in more than show. Hey, and
he's like, all right, at the risk of ruining the
greatest gig in sports, I just gotta tell you. I'm

(02:59):
just gonna tell Cleate Blakeman fifty to fifty calls, give
him to the chiefs every time, morons. We'll get to
that in a moment, but first, demand's good to see you.
We didn't talk this weekend, A tough spot for your ravens.
Feel like we've been here before. We'll get to that

(03:20):
in a moment, but we'll do the show as schedule
as we normally do. Here's what missed the cut. This
is where I hate the producers. I have a very
carefully curated social media feed to where I have avoided
everything about this young man Rizzler. I don't know who

(03:42):
he is. I don't know how he got famous. I
know nothing about him. But now he's leading the show
because he was at the football game. TikTok bandon unbanded.
Oh okay, nice, I really don't know. Is that what
he wore? I have no idea I thought for if
you would have asked me three weeks ago. I thought

(04:03):
Baby Gronk's nickname was Rizzler. I didn't know these were
two different kids who were gonna have be parents are
taking advantage of them, and changes to the national spelling
be have. I I'm on one today and I know
people want the football commentaries grace football week in the year.
Have I ever told the audience? Have I even ever

(04:23):
told you demanse my spelling bee history?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Have I ever believe?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't know if I have. Maybe I know I
haven't told it to the audience, but real quick, so
I every year, for like however long you do spelling
me five six years, I'm not sure. Every year crushed

(04:52):
my school spelling bee crushed. There was some like my
local spelling bee, because then you advanced to like the
you know, like the district or whatever, and then every
single year at either sectionals or regionals before you got

(05:13):
to the nationals, the biggest of the big stage not
only would not win it, but would trip up over
a word I got right before, like just disaster, year
after year after year. And then in my student newspaper
at my school there was somebody took a shot at me,

(05:39):
like made fun of me about like like yeah, yeah, exactly,
and my and my mom and my sister, my mom
and my sister, like it went. After this person came
to my defense, was like this shouldn't be allowed. These

(05:59):
are fellow student all of it all right, So I
just made that whole story up. But in that story,
Lamar Jackson is me the speller. I'm the kid in
the student newspaper, and everyone else in the media is
my mom and my sister. Why are you being so mean?
He does so well at the local level. Why are

(06:21):
you pointing this out? So let's just have the conversation.
They'll say it again.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
The analogy you're at school. You can't do that at school.
We can't like cast somebody else.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
The analogy was I'm the greatest ever and then the
stakes get high and I don't play like myself, and
somebody had the audacity to be like, hey, this seems relevant.
And the reason the story was believable is because, well, yeah,
that's a fair criticism, but your mom and your sister
wouldn't want you to be criticized like that. But in reality,

(06:54):
it's one of the highest profile athletes in the world.
One guy in me, who's like, I don't know, guys,
I'd maybe pump the brakes on giving him all of
the awards you can receive every year, and then everyone
else in the media being like, oh, be nice. Come on,
I gotta listen to Dan Orlovsky being like, if you

(07:16):
blame anyone for the Ravens loss, you're a loser. Shut up.
This is the listen. Go coach a team like they
at the Well, we'll get to that in a minute, demons,
Let's do the Ravens game.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Uh yeah, So Lamar obviously didn't put that narrative to
bed when he played up against the Bills on Sunday. Yeah,
so we we obviously know he tends to taper off
in the postseason. Do you think that this might have
been more on somebody else or is this all Lamar?

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Where are you putting the blame?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Beer's certainly not all Lamar. And the second half rally
was a positive sign. No, this could have gone totally
sideways on it and it could have been career defining,

(08:12):
and instead he did rally and play well in the
second half, and they almost had a chance to tie,
or they did have a chance to tie the game
and be at that moment, plus four hundred underdog. Like,

(08:33):
here's where I will The Mark Andrews fumble was brutal.
The Mark Andrews drop was brutal in how it looked.
But here is where the gambler and math part of
my brain were just gonna actually tease this out. Guys.
If Mark Andrews catches that two point conversion, what's the

(08:56):
live money line? Because I think the Bills are minus
four hundred. You know, like that's insane. Okay, well, let's
talk it through. It would have been Bill's ball a
minute thirty three left, two timeouts. What is the percent
chance that you hold them to zero points? What is it?

(09:18):
Fifty percent? I think lower, but they had just driven
all the way down the field and got into the
one yard line. I say it's probably thirty percent, but
let's call it fifty percent. You hold them to zero points,
you have a coin flip chance at that, and then
the game goes to overtime. That's a fifty to fifty
proposition as well. With two teams this evenly matched, So

(09:41):
you were a two point conversion away from being one
in four at best to win the game at best.
So I'm not gonna kill Mark Andrews, but he was brutal,
and I'm not gonna kill Lamar. But what I'm also
not going to do is be gaslighted by other media
members that have just changed the definitions of how we

(10:07):
judge athletes for one specific player. I'm not going to
do it. And I'm also not going to engage in
the level of intellectual, in my opinion, dishonesty that folks
are engaging in. And I want to say this on
the front end. Almost every person I got into Twitter

(10:28):
exchange with yesterday. In fact, yeah, every person I got
into Twitter exchange with yesterday I like. And one of them,
Bill Barnwell, I have said for fifteen years since I
was doing radio in Kansas City, I think he is
the smartest person in the world that covers the NFL,

(10:53):
which is what makes this stuff so disappointing to me.
At its base base level, you have a player in
Lamar who all year long. It's not only that he

(11:13):
just had four interceptions, it's that the folks who were
arguing he should be MVP again would show you those
four interceptions, and we've all seen the clips. None were
his fault. Actually three of them hit the receiver's hands.

(11:33):
So really, he went all year without a horrendous throw
that was intercepted, and on the second drive of the
playoff game made his worst pass of the year. They
would also tell you all year long he avoided the

(11:55):
awful mistakes, and then on the third drive of the
playoff game set the ball on the ground without anyone
touching his upper body. And then they would also tell
you that his escapability and maneuverability in the pocket and

(12:16):
his ability to remain a pocket passer while avoiding the
rush is what differentiates him. And then on the fourth
drive of the game, took a horrendous sack that took
him out from the two yard line to the eight
yard line, probably cost him four points. And then they
would also tell you, because I remember it during Raven's Bengals,

(12:40):
when Burrow was playing great, Lamar was playing great. Difference
between Burrow and Lamar, one of them is Burrow couldn't
get those two point conversions that he needed. Lamar can
get him with his arms, with his legs, with anything.
And then not the Mark Andrew's two point conversion the
one before after Derrick Henry gets you all the way

(13:02):
down the field, they put the ball in Lamar's hands,
he doesn't run, he tries to pass ball, gets batted down.
All those things happened. None of those things were happening
during the regular season. And I'm an a because I
think the guy's a different player in the postseason. The
last time Lamar Jackson had multiple turnovers in a game,

(13:25):
any guesses context clues, it makes into what I'm saying
the last play the playoffs game against the Chiefs, the
AFC Championship game. So he goes all year without a
multi multi turnover game and then bang, first half happens.
Now again he rallied and played well. But it is

(13:47):
so patronizing to the player for a guy who, if
Aaron Rodgers retires, will have more First team All Pros
than the rest of the quarterbacks in the the NFL combined.
Who a guy, if Vegas is correct, is about to
win his third MVP, So all time MVP list will

(14:11):
be Peyton won, Aaron Rodgers two, Lamar Jackson three, same
amount as Tom Brady, more than Patrick Mahomes or Joe Montana.
That that guy gets judged on the same standard that
people were holding Brock Purty to last year in the playoffs. Yeah,

(14:34):
he was brutal in the first half, but he rallied
in the second and PTY at least won those games.
And then we have folks twisting themselves in knots to argue, actually,
he was good, and that's the part that I can't abide.

(14:58):
And this is what Bill and Ben and Steven that
I was arguing with on Twitter yesterday. We're arguing it
wasn't that just that, Nick, It's just one game.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
It was no.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Actually, Lamar was really good yesterday. That was the argument, Yead.
He was actually really good. Yes, he made two mistakes
which took points off the board, put the team in
a hole, got them out of their game plan. They
didn't feel comfortable just leaning on Derrick Henry all of that.

(15:37):
But he was actually really good. And that's simply not
how playoff football works. There is no such thing as
the game where you make the mistakes that set the
table for your team to lose. Your team then loses,

(16:01):
and you played really well. And the idea that we
ever hold good but not great near the end of
their career tight ends to the same standard as smack

(16:22):
dab in the middle of your prime defending MVP likely
repeat MVP quarterback is just dishonest. So let's go through
the tweets and we'll start with my friend Ben Solak,
who I think is excellent. And I said this at
the front end on the front end, where Ben says,

(16:45):
I'm very surprised he made such bad mistakes in the
first half, as he's avoided them those all season. Extremely
unlike him. Pause, and this is demand's ware and listen,
I know you don't like my Lamar opinions, and so
maybe you'll maybe you're more with them than with me.
But I think that's I think that first clause there

(17:08):
is wrong. It's not extremely unlike him at all. In
the playoffs, He's played eight playoff games, four of them
he's had multiple turnovers. He's played ninety four regular season games,
fourteen of those he's had multiple turnovers. It is extremely

(17:28):
unlike him in the regular season. Happens all the time
in the playoffs. And then I Ben, and this to
me is where guys are. They are smarter than their
Lamar defense allows them to be. Because Ben wrights and
we can say if we go back to that, Sorry, guys,

(17:49):
of course, this is the difference between Mahomes and Alan
Lamar Burrow everyone. Mahomes has nearly never failed in these moments,
whereas everyone else has a few. That's not the difference.
It's not Mahomes versus these guys. It's that we have
four right now, Mount rushmore current quarterbacks. Do we agree

(18:11):
demanse those four Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar everyone on the
same page that those are the guys. Now. Jaden is
trying to elbow his way in there, and we'll get
to him in a moment, but those are the guys, right,
those are the guys. Yes, Mahomes has elevated past the others,

(18:32):
but what the others have is a playoff run or
two where they also answered the bell every time. So
positioning it as it's not just about do you ever fail,
it's do you ever not have your worst game of

(18:57):
the season in the play playoffs. Burrows had played the
playoff run in twenty twenty one and the playoff run
in twenty twenty two. Burrow was good to very good
every time. Josh Allen in twenty twenty one was superb
in both those games. Josh Allen in twenty twenty three

(19:19):
was superb and then good in both of those games.
So that's the differentiator. Now we'll keep going, We'll go
through these because this is meaningful. And so I just
explained that tweet. So let's we can go back to
Ben and this is where I say, what are we

(19:40):
doing well? I'd say Lamar was pretty good in this run.
Say for exactly two plays, pause it. What is this run?
Played two games? One of them was excellent, the other
one the two plays lost your team the game. So

(20:00):
that's not a to me, that is not a a
an idea that exists.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
God please lose you the game.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
But like you have to finish the game out and
he showed up, you know, Like I think it's like
once the turnovers happen, it's like it's nothing you could do.
But like after that, I think it's about, you know,
how you play after that and how you build on it.
And I think he did the best he possibly could have.
Like it's like they have so.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
That so that part, so I don't know why people
wouldn't say that, Which is the argument that you're forming
there is you Nick, you should be more optimistic about
Lamar in the postseason moving forward because of how he

(20:52):
rallied in the second half. Okay, that's a legitimate discussion
because he could have crumbled. They were down double digits.
He fought them almost all the way back. They did
have a chance to tie the game. Now, I again,
they still would have been a significant dog, but whatever,
that's legitimate. But that is totally different than he And

(21:15):
let's go back to Ben's tweet, he was excellent in
this game. Are in this run aside from two plays,
and then this is where we get to I think
just a fundamental misunderstanding of how you evaluate football, which
is sample sized stuff. Excellent playoff run isn't super interesting
to me when a player's career is six seasons old.

(21:38):
It's seven. But that's fine, especially in a conference this stacked.
If you asked me for a market on Will Lamar
of a consensus excellent playoff run at some point in
his career, I'd price it at like minus one thousand, Lol. Okay,
and Ben that the that's a if you'd price it
at that, we can lay that wager because I don't

(22:00):
that Peyton never did. I don't know that Marino ever did.
And those are two of the greatest quarterbacks ever. So
let's just you guys and producers. We can just roll
through these and I'll get to the and so he
then responds to me he entered knuck led mode when
he had spent all season avoiding it. Extremely frustrating. I

(22:21):
just don't think it's nearly as predictive as of future
postseason performance, and what possibly could be predictive of future
postseason performance than one's entire postseason career. Then, and maybe
there is just a belief some people have that I

(22:43):
do not share that playoff football is no different than
regular season football. But I think we're seeing we have
seen this this weekend. The quarterback with the better stats
has not really fared that well, except for Commander's Lions.
It's the it's the quarterback who's been able to avoid disaster. Now,

(23:04):
at some point we'll have an old school quarterback duel
where both guys play great. We haven't had it yet.
The weather gets tougher, the defenses get tougher, players get
more nervous. And let's roll through Ben. Because I don't
want to pick on Ben, but these were public tweets,
the and the He said, it's not that it's hard

(23:26):
to admit not admit, it's that's remarkably less meaningful to
me than his body of work, which is legitimately six
seasons of legitimately unbelievable football. And so yeah, I I
personally for quarterbacks value playoff performance disproportunately the regular season performance.

(23:49):
And then Ben goes to the sample size stuff. Eight
game sample, eight games in the NFL is a huge sample, guys,
Eight games of playoff football. How many playoff games do you,
guys think Dan Marino played in his career? Dan Marino again,
one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. You know how many

(24:10):
playoff games he played? Eighteen? So eight games almost half
of that. Joe Burrow, how many playoff games do you
think he has played? The enter is seven, so eight
games is meaningful. And then we'll wrap up with Ben
and where because I make the point about the sample
size stuff, and then this is where again guys just

(24:31):
lose the plot. One thing that's also true specifically on
Lamar is they had to spend time the first couple
of seasons figuring out what weight running game usage they
wanted for him. He's more healthy in the playoffs. His
body tap type in play style was is I don't know,
yet more liable for deturation over twenty game season than
Mahomes or Borrow or even Allen, which may mean he'll

(24:54):
always be a little worse than The postseason was very
healthy this year though, first year with Henry exactly. I
appreciate that we got there. Now we can put it
on weight or but at the end of the day,
it's like, oh, yeah, by the way, I agree, he's
worse than the playoffs, okay, and now the and we'll

(25:17):
go through these other ones faster. My buddy Bill Barnwell,
who I texted Bill because I was listening to a
pod from before this game where Bill said Lamar has
been the best, the best quarterback in the NFL the
last two years, the best, the best quarterback in the

(25:41):
NFL the last two years. And I was like, you
got you gotta be kidding me, Bill. And this is
where I'll just read Bill's tweet and full because it
to be fair to him. But I just don't. I
can't follow this reasoning. But even with the turn, Lamar
was dot dot dot better than Patrick Mahomes yesterday, twenty

(26:06):
points of QBR better. The offense scored more points, he
moved the ball better and did that without his top
wide receiver all game and with his top tight end
seemingly actively sabotaging the team. No arguing Mahomes has been
better than Lamar in the postseason over the course of
their careers, but over the last two years the window

(26:29):
in which I'm talking about, their postseason numbers are dot
dot dot basically identical. But one guy's had his top
wide receiver fumble away the ball at the one yard
line of the AFC Championship game, and his top tight
end fumble away along completion drop game tying two pointer,
and the others receivers as urrific as they were in

(26:49):
the twenty twenty three season, haven't. Okay, So let's just
disregard the fact, as I pointed out that everyone's you know,
talks about, Zay Flowers fumbled the ball with the Ravens
down ten at the one yard line, okay, because they
had scored seven points, because the quarterback wasn't effective enough

(27:10):
and the quarterback could turn the ball over, and on
the very next drive the quarterback drew a pick. It's
last year's game. The Chiefs in the round before fumbled
the ball at the one yard line. McCole Hardman, same
type of player, same spot on the field in the
fourth quarter, but the Chiefs survived it because the quarterback
could played great up to that point. They had a

(27:30):
three point lead. And then in the Super Bowl the
Chiefs fumbled, not Mahomes, the Chiefs fumbled inside the ten
yard line. I don't remember it was Pacheco or Clyde
who whoever it was running back fumbled. But the argument
that hey, look at his QBR and in a game

(27:54):
that the Ravens were favored, that everyone but me seemingly
thought they had the advantage, and they had the more
talented roster that they played from behind the entire time
because of Lamar's two turnovers in the beginning that that game,
he played better than a quarterback that understood exactly what
they needed to do. And in the critical moment, third

(28:17):
and eleven in the red zone, up only one, the
Texans have just scored throws a falling touchdown pass to
Travis Kelsey is just bananas to me. A little more
from Barnwell for me. Move on. Lamar did make two mistakes.
That's different than the player who was during the regular season.

(28:38):
Can't argue that. Yeah, the question is because both Ben
and Bill eventually conceded the point. Next year, you're gonna
make are you going to be like? But it'll be
different this year. And then he talks about Mahomes and
that's fine, and are in the second half. And then

(29:01):
if he says, if the goals to make the fuse mistakes,
moms is better. If the goals should do the most
on offense help your team win even given the mistakes,
Lamar was better this weekend. I so there's just a
fundamental disagreement between me and a friend. I the the
you you can't separate the mistakes from the then second

(29:24):
half production, you just can't. And then will wrap up
the bill stuff be where we get to Rui's and
dan uh So, I said, let's take Patrick out of this.
Who was better Lamar or Josh in that game? And
he said he thought Lamar considerably. And then he said,
in last year's Super Bowl, did Purty zero iront zero fumbles,

(29:44):
one sack play better than Mahomes interception, fumble on a
bobbled snap, three sacks because he made fewer mistakes? Of
course not. So this is again, I just think intellectual
dishonesty from smart people. First of all, the fumble on
a bobbled snap, Yes, there was a bobble snap that
the Chiefs fumbled, that Mahomes fumbled, that he then picked up.

(30:06):
Like that's not that's totally You're gonna include it as
if that is anything like Lamar setting the ball on
the ground and von Miller picking it up and running
fifty yards. But you are, you're conflating things here, because
what you have is a player who avoided the critical

(30:29):
mistake in Purty but did not make the plays necessary
to win, and then a player who made one big
mistake in Mahomes and then made all of the necessary
plays to win. And you're somehow saying Lamar is like Mahomes,
when Lamar had two or three critical mistakes and then

(30:51):
did not make the necessary place to win. Now you
could say made the play to Mark Andrews. And that's where,
again I remind you, that was not a two point
conversion down one with one second left. That was a
two point conversion down two with a minute and a
half left. So I don't I don't know, I don't
know what to what to do. And then just quickly

(31:15):
the Stephen Ruiz thing, and then dan Orlovsky, so Stephen
Ruiz was said, for the record, I defended Mahome. Mahomes
after that game, meaning the super Bowl, and after the
Bengals game, you guys are essentially doing the same thing

(31:35):
you'd be frustrated with if it happened to Mahomes. And
this is again, and I hate to use such harsh language,
but this is intellectual dishonesty to me, because, as I explained,
if Mahomes going into that Tampa Super Bowl wasn't on
a five straight awesome playoff game winning streak and a

(32:00):
Super Bowl champion already, he probably would have caught more heat.
And so then I brought up what I thought was
a perfect analogy, and we can show it the uh
you know, Okay, we don't have the whole thing, which is,
would you treat the Times Steph Curry has come up

(32:26):
short in the postseason remotely the same as how you
would treat the Times James Harden has. I don't, even
though they have very similar regular season resumes. And Steven Ruiz,
who I think is awesome, right, come on, man, they're
both in their mid thirties. Bro, that's not what we're
talking about. We're talking in twenty eighteen. In twoenty eighteen,

(32:52):
when they were both in their Primes. If Steph Curry
had a rough game in the postseason and James Harden,
the league MVP, at a rough game in the postseason,
do we treat it the same? Of course not, because
everybody knows and everybody acts the same about all of

(33:13):
this stuff, except for when it comes to this quarterback.
And I will give Mike Silver credit because he actually
said he was honest about where a lot of this
comes from. I'm gonna read Mike Silver directly. If I

(33:33):
seem a little triggered by the Jackson bashing, I have
my reasons. Critics have tried to marginalize him from the jump,
even before he was in the league. Remember in February
of twenty eighteen, two months before the Ravens drafted the

(33:54):
former Louisville start with the last pick of the first round,
when Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian proclaimed on
ESPN that Jackson should switch to wide receiver. Poleon called
the Heisman Trophy winner quote short and a little bit slight.
Clearly clearly not the thrower the other guys are. The
accuracy isn't there. So here's why I bring that up.

(34:20):
And I've said this before and I will say it again,
the initial Lamar Jackson discourse was toxic and not by
Poleon necessarily, but by others oftentimes felt racist. That is undeniable.

(34:44):
Because of that, there have been, in my opinion, a
lot of well meaning people who have felt like we
can't and shouldn't criticize him, and it's patronizing to the player.

(35:06):
And that is why. And it all is fruit of
that Bill Poleian poisonous tree from February of twenty eighteen,
because everyone during the when Lamar was taken the league
by storm crushed Pollion for what was incorrect analysis. But

(35:32):
then when you read the quote that Mike Silver puts
in there, what you will see is Lamar's biggest defenders
echoing a piece of it short and a little bit slight.
And my buddy Ben Solex like well, early in his career,

(35:52):
they had to figure out his weight, clearly not the
thrower of the football. Other guys, are you know what
yesterday's commentary was, Why didn't they give the ball to
Derek Henry Moore? Why weren't there more Lamar Jackson designed runs?
And nobody wants to be lumped in with the folks
that were like, yeah, Bill Pollyan's right, the guys should

(36:15):
change positions because those people were idiots, they were wrong,
and oftentimes they felt racist. And so because of all
of that, there is now folks twisting themselves in knots
rather than simply saying guys. Reminds me a lot of

(36:36):
Peyton Manning. Not a single quarterback i'd rather have, maybe
in the history of the league in the regular season,
but in the biggest spots you're kind of holding your breath.
That's all it is, that's all it's ever been. And
he did have an opportunity Demons for a Peyton Manning moment.

(37:02):
Yesterday Peyton or Sunday, Peyton Manning was down twenty one
to three in the AFC Championship Game and didn't play
great in the beginning of that game, and he didn't
almost come back. He came all the way back and
they got the Super Bowl, and then the Super Bowl,
he didn't play great again, Director Roswim, they won anyway.
One day, Lamarro will have it. I would bet, But

(37:27):
I just I don't I resent people. I shouldn't say
resent people. I resent the idea that somehow this level
of analysis that I've done for the last half hour
is lowbrow. That all that's morning talk show stuff. When guys,

(37:51):
if you're explaining to me that actually, by success rate
or EPA per play or QBR, Lamar was great on Sunday,
I say this with no reservation. You are the one
that doesn't understand football. If you thought Lamar played a
great game on Sunday, you don't understand how football works.

(38:15):
And no fancy advanced metric is gonna teach you. Now,
if you went on TV and said Lamar and I
don't even want to say this because someone will just
clip it fully out of context, so I'm gonna cover
my face when I do it. Uh. If you went
on TV and said Lamar is a playoff choker you'll
never win. The guy stinks you're an idiot too, But

(38:37):
nobody said that. That's a straw man that doesn't exist.
And if you if you have a job on those
morning talk shows or afternoon talk shows and your take
is it's nobody's fault they lost and any criticism makes

(38:59):
you a loser, as Danie Rolofski's take was, then amen,
I hope you get that offensive for their job you've
been gunning for. Wow, something just broke. I don't even
know what just happened? Is everything?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Was there an earthquake? There? My goodness? Okay, you're all
right though, all right, well, let me let me bring
this back because this might maybe that was the sports
media on Budsman God saying Nick save this for Thursday
on the show, but I won't, So I'll do it

(39:34):
again here. If put the worl Offski tweet back up.
If your take is you can't put the loss on anyone,
and if you do, you're a loser, then amen, then
maybe coaching is what you're meant to do. Because as

(39:59):
uncommfortable as it may be, and if you check your
Twitter mentions, as angry as folks may get, our job
is not it's not purely to criticize. But it's not
purely to explain how great and awesome and wonderful everyone
played and how man, none of it was their fault.

(40:23):
And I'll read the Verlovsky tweet in full for the
audio audience, because man, he has so much courage when
it comes to taking shots at other people in his
current profession, because he is so unable to have even
a modicum of criticism for folks in his previous profession.

(40:47):
But quote. If you put the loss on Lamar tonight, respectfully,
you're a loser. Mark Andrews, one of the all time
Ravens had a brutal drop of a fumble. Yes, if
you're gonna use that to crash him, respectfully, you're a loser.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Man.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Again, I think I've shown I'm pretty like no sacred
cows to me. I ran there. I'd spend twenty minutes
running through tweets of friends of mine because I think
they're out of their mind. I obviously will criticize athletes.
I also try when I think something's awesome or someone's

(41:29):
been awesome, to praise it. The TV show I do
is as much of a celebration of sports as anything
on TV. We'll have more fun than anybody, But I
understand what the job is. I I find it really
I want to use the right word here telling that

(41:57):
Orolovsky has all the smoke in the world for folks
who do his current job in a way he thinks
his subpar, but literally set on TV to Shannon Sharp
a couple months ago that it's not his job to

(42:20):
criticize folks who do his previous job NFL quarterback if
they do it subpar. Not his job. That's not my job.
I'm not here for that. Okay, man, the kids would say,
keep that same energy, but listen, when you're doing a job,
because you're trying to get the coaching job, it's gonna be.
It's everyone's great, everyone's always great, no one's at fault.

(42:43):
And in fact, anyone that criticizes anyone, they're a loser.
Got it, no problem? Uh, all right, I think we've
got that pretty well covered. We'll talk Josh Allen on Thursday.
Let's do the Chiefs. What demonse you want to say?
You you can whatever you want. Wet no, no, no, no, So.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
The Chief the Chief season obviously starts now after they
just took care of Houston.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Uh. Who do you think Buffalo should be more concerned about?

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Between Patrick Mahomes, maybe some of his teammates or his
extended teammates, the referees, Dude, what do you think they should?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Let's talk about the refs. And you guys have heard
me say I think I said on this last show
that I think Buck and Aikman are made men. Unbelievable
love their broadcasts. Aikman has been very consistent in that

(43:46):
how much he hates the new rules about protecting quarterbacks.
So I don't buy that he like has a vendetta
against Mahomes. I don't I don't buy that. I don't
think that he really doesn't like the new rules. I
thought they missed the mark a bit in their slavish

(44:11):
focus on the roughing the passer calls. And we don't
have video rights, you know, NFL highlight rights for the podcast,
but we'll go through them. The first one, if you
go back and watch the game in real time TV
copy and just watch Mahomes. Don't watch when he throws

(44:32):
the ball, Just watch Mahomes. That looks like as obvious
of a roughing the passer call as you'll see in
the league all year. It is a high hit to
the head, his head snaps back. The ref who standing
behind it, throws the flag. The first replay we see,
which is from the refs angle, it looks like an

(44:53):
obvious roughing the passer call. The third replay we see,
when it's from the side, you see that most of
the contact did come to the chest and there was
like grazing contact to Mahomes' face mask. Okay, now you
can say Mahomes sold it. I suppose it's also Will Anderson,

(45:14):
one of the fastest, best defensive players in football, hitting
him full speed. My and that was a huge penalty.
I'm not gonna act like it wasn't because that was
third down. The Chiefs kept the ball, they end up
getting three points. What I am And this is where
I think folks are intellectually dishonest. And I keep using

(45:34):
that term. That call gets made in every game all
year long. That's not a Chief's only thing. Every time
the quarterback gets whacked and his head flings back and
the hits high, that's a flag. And what I felt
the broadcast missed was that play was reviewed and upheld

(45:59):
by New York. They saw it and they were like, yes,
that's a penalty, or at the very least what they
said is we can't overturn it because there was some
contact to the helmet. So the first one, which did
help the Chiefs pook points on the board, is a
regular call, a regular, typical call. The second one, I

(46:21):
understand people being annoyed by for two reasons. One is
Mahomes baited them into it, and the other one was
they hit each other, not him. That was a bad call.
There is no denying that was a bad call. My
frustration with the focus on that is if they didn't
flag that it was going to be second and six.

(46:47):
That's the part of it that I don't follow. The
outrage on was that wasn't on third down, That wasn't
on It wasn't gonna be second or third. It wasn't
on second and twenty five. It was first and ten.
He ran for four yards, So that was a bad call.

(47:08):
That also I think had minimal impact on the game.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Go ahead six.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Then you know, like that's that's probably that outrage is
just like we want to see let them make the
play as opposed to the refs just teleporting them there.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
You know, it's like we got it. Oh it could
have sounded something.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
No, no, no, I I totally understand that, my I think,
And if we want to make roughing the passer calls reviewable,
I'm all for it also, I I And then the
the the thing people, what's to me most delusional about

(47:47):
the discourses the image everyone is using as anger about
the Chiefs and the refs is for Mahomes' flop on
the sideline. Yeah, but there was no flag there, Like.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
There is you know where that comes from. But it's
like hand in hand.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
He gets all these calls and then you see him
flop on the sideline trying the exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
It's like, come on, man, so.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
No I I so I understand that. And so if
we want to, you know, revisit a lot of and
by the way, the running around the one that he
got that would have been second and six, that's dangerous
for him. I don't want him doing.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
The rule for that, right.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Yeah, It's like they try to squeeze out every yard
they can and then they put the defender out of disappage.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I think that right. I think that there is a
real argument to be made that for and there's gonna
have the judgment stuff four quarterbacks, if you do not
basically instantly slide, if you you can run as far
as you can run, but slide at the you know,

(49:00):
as soon as someone's within X amount of yards of you,
then you're not protected anymore. Then now you're running back.
I think I'm fine with that rule. I'm also fine
with guys it's a penalty to flop on the sideline
or in a scrum because you don't see it so

(49:21):
much with quarterbacks, but the offensive line defensive linemen who
jawed each other having in Bill's Ravens, and some bushroom
was like, oh, I got shot. I'm fine with that
being a penalty. I'm good with all of it. But
what is so What was to me like triple annoying
about the discourse was the first penalty, which did lead

(49:45):
to points, is a penalty all the time in the NFL,
and they reviewed it and said, yes, it's a penalty.
The second one, I think had minimal impact on the game, minimal.
And then the other two parts of the discourse that
killed me was if we are listing reasons the Texans

(50:09):
lost and we're being honest, how many do we have
to list before we get to the refs. First reason
is that Travis Kelcey destroyed them, right, That's the first reason.
The second reason is they had a special team's abomination

(50:30):
literally from the opening kickoff. The third reason is, and
this is a pretty big one, you scored one touchdown
on the road at Arrowhead against the Chiefs. Teams doing
that are let me check, oh for life, since Mahome's
been the starter, and if we want to say, and

(50:50):
I would argue, the fourth reason is.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
The whole line the nothing the off it well.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
That kind of hand in hand with the only scoring
one touchdown. I was, you know what I mean, So
those are kind of combined. Fourth reason, I thought Demiko
had a tough game management game. I thought kicking the
fifty five yard field goal in those conditions early was
just flatly the wrong decision. And I thought rushing that

(51:21):
fourth and ten down eight and not using a timeout
or punting was the wrong decision. And then reason number five,
I would go to the officiating. That's how I would
rank it. The other thing that frustrates me is people
not caring about the data, not supporting this idea that

(51:41):
the Chiefs get all the calls. On the last pod,
we did the thing about how when it comes to
roughing the passer penalties, there is one quarterback head and
shoulders that gets more than anyone. It's Josh Allen and
Mahomes is middle of the pack, and that's per game,
per pass, however you do it. But the the other
thing is, and Josh debou Has of the Associated Press

(52:11):
has been fighting the good fight on this, which is
there is simply no data to suggest, no matter how
you isolated, that the Chiefs get some hugely beneficial whistle.
I'm not going to go through it all, but since

(52:32):
Malmes has been there, they are dead last in the
NFL and penalty yardage differential. People are like, oh, well,
it's about It's not that. It's just during this dynasty run.
During the last three years, the Chiefs have been penalized
for one hundred and forty seven more yards and their
opponents in the last three seasons, that's the twelfth worst.

(52:52):
Vikings actually have the best at their almost one thousand
fewer than their opponents than People are like, no, we're
talking about the fourth quarter or big spots. Let me
find his tweet on that one where gosh darn it,

(53:12):
I had it because somebody was talking about its high
leverage situations. So let me find it real quick. I apologize.
I should have pulled this up beforehand. He tweeted a
lot more than I thought he did. Maybe it's in
his replies. Okay, here it is now do third down

(53:33):
in the fourth quarter ups. So somebody wrote a third
down in the first quarter up seven. It is not
the same as a third down in the fourth quarter,
down three. Josha Bob the Associated Press, Chiefs opponents have
gotten four more first downs, by penalty on third and
fourth downs in the fourth quarter, in overtime in games
decided by one score or less since Mahomes got there,

(53:55):
and so there's just no data to support this. Uh.
But when teams are always in the biggest games, and
when we're in an era where the best quarterbacks are
hyper protected, this is you know, It's why Chiefs fans

(54:19):
feel like Josh Allen gets all the calls, and it's
why the rest of America feels like the Chiefs get
all the calls. My last point on the refereeing and
the biggest frustration on it there was, And this is
where I just think everyone loses their ability to fairly reason.

(54:39):
There was one horrific call this weekend that you can
say directly, maybe not only directly, led to points, maybe
change the entire game. And everyone is so and it
would have been the best argument to make by anyone

(55:04):
during all of my Lamar Jackson ranting. But people are
so used to bad calls it didn't even occur to him.
They only stick out when it involves the Chiefs. Because
the defensive pass interference penalty to Monsey against the Ravens

(55:25):
at the end of the first half was the worst
call of the weekend and the most impactful. It's undeniable
that was they maybe get three because of that, they
definitely got seven. It takes a fourteen maybe seventeen to
ten game to twenty one ten set at the table
for all of it. That looked to me like offensive

(55:47):
pass interference or a no call. They call defensive pass interference. Right.
Also in that game, Lamar got whacked on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
On the sideline, yeah, and there was.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
And there was no call and if and so now
maybe it's like, okay, the the league's in the bag
for the Chiefs and the Bills, or maybe it's that
standalone games, there's gonna be a lot of bad calls
and it just irritate like that the nobody brought up

(56:23):
as a defense of Lamar, the bad pass interference penalty
that actually would have been a good one, Like, hey man,
even with all those mistakes, they should have just been
down four. They sustained a terrible call went against them.
But people are so tied to this narrative that no,
the bad calls only favor one team in the league,
and it's the Chiefs that like that to me, And

(56:47):
I thought Buck and Aikman overdid the refereeing stuff in
the Chiefs game. They were still talking about it when
it's third and eleven and mahomes to Kelsey. The greatest
playoff combination of the history of the league combines for
what is the critical touchdown. There's still, you know, upset
about the refereeing. I thought they overdid it a bit.

(57:08):
I thought Nance and Romo underdid it on that DPI
that dB. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. And so that
to me was, you know, that's what I'll say about
the officiating. All right, and our long A block is
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(57:32):
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All Right, Demon's that was one of our longest ay blocks.
Is there anything that I felt like, you know, sometimes
you're kind of boxed out a bit, but is there
anything that you wanted to chime in on on either

(59:20):
of those four move on to the other games.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Or calling you crazy or whatever. I think that like
the Chiefs this year, how.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
They won, and like those you call it lucky or
like the crazy fashion, just the way that the Ravens
losing the postseason, even if you want to say Lamar
tapers off a little bit, it just I think it
leaves questioning a lot of people's brains because it's just
like that one little thing. It's like unlucky. It's it's
it's as opposed to lucky, it's unlucky. It's just comes
down to these one little plays. Or I get he

(59:51):
turned the ball over multiple times in the game, but
it's just no, still was too.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Here's so here's the thing, and this is what's tough.
You you need to give yourself a bigger margin for error.
Like that's the answer. And so like people when people
bring up the Chiefs and these clothes, forget the regular
season playoff wins, right, they they've given it a lot

(01:00:24):
of those games have been close because the Chiefs made
a critical mistake, but they were good enough to have
the margin forrera. As I mentioned before, in the Super Bowl,
after the huge play to Travis, why did Travis or
was it to Travis? No, it wasn't to Travis. Who

(01:00:45):
was it to McCole I don't even remember. Regardless, the
reason Travis shoved Andy Reid was because he wasn't on
the field on the fumble inside the ten and he
felt like he would have held the block better. That's
what happened. The point I'm bringing up is in the

(01:01:05):
Super Bowl, yes it was super thin margins. The Chiefs
needed a drive to force overtime and then won in overtime,
but they had already had their terrible luck, you know,
with the fumble inside the ten in the previous in
the second round against the Bills, they run a stupid

(01:01:27):
play and McCall fumble's reach them for the pylon at
the one yard line. They had a big enough, they
already had a lead there, like you've got to build in.
It's gonna be hard to play a perfect game, and
so now some of it is just unlucky bouncers or
lucky bounces the opening kickoff of Chiefs Texans great kick

(01:01:48):
return guy fumble, We've you know, samajp Ryan fell on it.
Like that's good, that's good fortune. So yeah, some of
this stuff isn't exactly fair. All right, next, let's get
to the let's get to the other games.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yeah, so Sirianni tried to give you the game. Jalen
Hurts also try to give you the game. He wasn't throwing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
They basically just spammed Saquon so Philly, you know, one
in dominating fashion, but still didn't look really good. Do
you think the right team won this game?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I do think the right team won. I listen, the
Rams could have stolen it, and I think Sirianni may
have been fired. I know that sounds insane, but if
they blew a thirteen point lead to go to the
NFC Championship game with four minutes left, and it was
because Okay, Jalen Hurts was not having a hor horrible game,

(01:02:40):
but he wasn't having a great game. The AJ Brown
drop hurt him. Another AJ Brown drop hurt him. Like
I'm not gonna kill Jalen Hurts. But then he got injured.
And once he got injured. He could not move, and
Sirianni saw that and on his second playback on the
field after being injured, called a drop back into his

(01:03:02):
own end zone where he's just a sitting dock and
gets safety. Despite that, they recover, Saquon goes for eighty yards.
They're up thirteen the Rams score. Now there's three minutes left.
It's second and seven. Saquan's just gone for three yards
and he caught a play action rollout with his injured,

(01:03:25):
immobile quarterback who hasn't who has not completed a big
pass in hours, and they they end up having to
punt like that, That second and seven pass call, honest
to god's one of the worst play calls I've ever
seen in my life. It's one of the worst play
calls I've ever seen in my life. And it they

(01:03:47):
because of that. All of a sudden, Stafford's inside the
twenty down six because Elliott missed the extra point like
that would have been as horrifying a loss as exists.
And aj Brown, you got to play better. For all
the I'm reading the book, I like Jalen did make
a great Yes, you're causing all this nonsense. Saquan's out

(01:04:12):
there just crushing fools. We're talking about the Eagles and
negative light because Aj Brown keeps we need to work
on passing. No, I always read books on the sideline,
like what do you sometimes I I I I take
cooking classes. Stop it and so the and it is
so in the you know, now the authors at the game,

(01:04:33):
he's getting interviewed about the book with the stop it.
Uh and so listen. The the Eagles are able to
overcome an injured quarterback and a ridiculous coach, and you
gotta give in. I you know, had some questions about
how Rosemand going into the year. You got to give

(01:04:53):
Rosemand credit. That's a hell of a roster they've built.
They have talent everywhere. But yeah, so the right team
did win. But man, oh man, you're supposed to lose
playoff games. It's really hard. Like the Rams had the
two turnovers, right, the two fumbles which let the Eagles
take control. The Eagles mental errors and coaching errors plus

(01:05:18):
a quarterback injury. It's supposed to cost you a playoff game.
All right, let's talk about Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Yeah, so last year, Dan Campbell told his team after
they lost to San Francisco that was probably gonna be
their last shot at the Super Bowl this year. They
weren't able to overcome the devastating injuries or, as you
would say, Jared Goff's tiny hands.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So, Ben, you guys were thinking it on that fumble
when that ball slipped out of his hands in the
red zone. You guys were thinking it too. Be honest,
you guys were like, oh, man, his hands killed you,
but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Guys got small hands.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Ben Johnson is gone with Caleb Williams, and how wor
it is Aaron Klinn might be out of there too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Do you think Campbell is right? Was? Did they officially
miss their win? Don't win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
No? I don't think you're gonna say they officially missed
their window. But this year is this is just as
painful of a situation as you can imagine. I mean,
the the defensive injuries killed him. Ben Johnson, who you
know I wanted the Bears to hire, and the Bears
are hiring. I thought, you know, the silver medal for

(01:06:22):
most insane plague call of the weekend was Ben Johnson.
All right, let me just tell you guys a little
about James and Williams. Jameis and Williams got drafted by
the Lions in the first round. He was out because
of an injury in college. He then after his first
year got suspended for gambling, then after his second year

(01:06:44):
got suspended for steroids. While he was suspended for steroids,
got pulled over by the cops, had guns in the
car and was like, no, no, no, I played for
the Lions. You gotta let me go. You know. It
seems like they did let him go, and then that
story came out well. In this game, he scored a
touchdown and then pretended to have deeply passionate sex with

(01:07:07):
the end zone before the cameras pulled off. That's that's
the player he is. Okay, that's who he is. Ben
Johnson in the fourth quarter of the playoff game, at
knowing who he was going into the game and then
knowing an hour ago, this guy, I mean really aggressively

(01:07:34):
humped the end zone. You know what I think I
should do ask him to make a critical on the
fly decision about to throw a pass or not throw
a pass. I mean that that was a problem and
that lost him the game. Now maybe they would have

(01:07:54):
lost anyway, but they were down ten and scoring every
time that Golf didn't turn it over like they they
were in the game. Not the time for that, bro, No,
not the time for that. If I have like a
critical letter that needs to be delivered and I tie

(01:08:16):
it around Dexter's my dog's neck and kick him in
the ass out the door and like go boy, and
it's like, I'm in letter didn't get delivered. Is it
on him? I don't know, it's not. And so I
that was a banana's decision. And then so the defensive injuries,

(01:08:37):
golf's hat trick of turnovers that mattered in the first half,
fumble picked six where he got cracked, and then the
pick in the end zone, and then the Jamison thing.
And so I listen, I feel sick for Lions fans,
I really do. And I'm not saying it's closed for them.

(01:08:59):
I am saying there's a decent chance five years from
now we're gonna say their best shot was last year.
In this year, I think that's more than on the board.
All right, let's do Jaden.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
All right, So Washington and Jaydeen Daniels surprised America dominating
the Lions. All it was a shootout, and then they
ended up pulling away with it, crazy game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Obviously, Jayden Daniels is a rookie.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Has anyone impressed you more in the NFL than Jadeen
Daniels and this last two weeks in the NFL, this
whole year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
No. No. And I know people think I'm anti Jaden
because I was skeptical of in coming out of college.
I want to make this for the one hundredth time,
very very clear. My Jaden take is a very simple one.
I thought he was phenomenal as last year at LSU.
I think the talent and it seems like character as

(01:09:49):
well as off the charts. I am incredibly nervous about
his ability to hold up long term from a health
perspective because of his frame, how thin he is, combined
with his style of play. That's that's the take. The
take is not oh he's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I was on the record Demons saying I would have
taken Drake May ahead of him because Drake May is
three years younger and the is sturdier. But I don't
think he's My take on bow Nicks is low ceiling.
I don't think he's that good. We'll see if I'm
right about that. He had a very good rookieyear. Take

(01:10:30):
on Jayden? Is I worry about him the way I
worried about RG three? Go ahead, you want to say something.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
So Jane Daniels is like, Jane Daniels is five pounds
lighter than Caleb Williams. I think Jayden Daniel's two ten
cale Williams two fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Is that fake news?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Well, Jayde Daniels one ninety five, you know in college
he's also three inches taller than Caleb. So that's the
other thing. Lit Lawrence Slinder, So yeah it But go ahea.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
So I had a question, would a nightmare scenario be
for you Jade and Daniels facing the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl? Jayde Daniels poticially beats Patrick Maholmes to stop
the three pete you're hyping up. Jade Daniels is exactly
who you described Caleb Williams to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Be, I know. So that's what's crazy. So and I listen,
I'm not anti Jaden, but it is he's living the
life that I thought Caleb would be living right now. Yes,
and by the way, listen, ultimate spind zone is this
demanse if in If I were to say to you,

(01:11:41):
listen a massive meteor massive is gonna hit Argentina in
twenty twenty seven, and everyone's like, no way, it's never happened,
It never would never happen. Everyone's like, you're crazy. Seven

(01:12:05):
a massive meteor hits Brazil. Am I dead wrong? Or
am I more right than anyone? If all off season
I said, an NFC rookie quarterback is going to meet
Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and everyone's like, you're crazy,

(01:12:25):
rookie's never been there, conference stacked, whatever it is. And
then in February, an NFC rookie quarterback meets Patrick Mahomes
in the Super Bowl, but it was just the number
two pick instead of the number one pick. Am I
wrong or am I more right than anyone? It's just
a question people are asking, Uh, listen, Jaden's been unbelievable,

(01:12:48):
and the top four quarterbacks in football Demonse Mahomes, Alan
Borough lamore that fifth spot. It's like seven guys. You
could argue. At various points over the last year and
a half, people have argued the following names, just running
through them, Dak Stafford, Purty, Love Hurts, Herbert.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Over all those names you just listed easily.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
That's except that's what I'm that's what I'm making a case. Yeah, No,
Jaden's already got playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
It's just talking about like the skill set. But yeah,
he's he's different and he's calm. It's like he's been
here before.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
But there's no question about him. Uh, you're absolutely right.
The only dip he had all year was when he
got banged up. So he's been unbelievable. And we'll talk
more about that game this weekend. All right, quick break
answers a few listener questions. Uh, and I gotta go soon,

(01:13:56):
so we'll just answer a few quick break right back,
What's right? All right, welcome back in What's Right with
Nick right demonte ask these three listener questions, and I
got to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Run Casey Colossal not named Mahomes. Which quarterback would you
like to start a franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
With Allen the I would? I mean it would for me,
it would, Yeah, it would be Alan. Uh, and that's
a pretty easy question. The Burrow Burrows the only other
one that I would have a real strong argument for.
But Allen's the most maybe the most durable player in

(01:14:37):
the league, and Joe's not. I know Joe was held
up this year, but so that that one's that one's
super easy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Next, mister Brownstone, is Jade Daniels already a better quarterback
than Lamar Jackson all the running ability but the ability
to pass.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
No, So that no, So that's what I think way
too far, because here's the thing. There is real obvious
tangible value, obvious tangible value to Lamar being an a
triple plus in the regular season, even if he never
improves in the postseason. If this is who he is
the rest of his career, the odds are they'll win
a Super Bowl anyway. That you know that, and so

(01:15:16):
the and Jaden right, but also now listen if Jaden,
if if Jaden is here's why I would prompt the brakes.
I feel like a lot of people were saying something
similar last year about CJ and maybe even Jordan Love, like,
oh man, look at all this, you know, young guy,

(01:15:38):
instant bactability progression in this league is not linear. And
this is also when people are talking about the thin
margins you were talking about with the Ravens Demonsey. There's
also this Jayden's been unbelievable. If the Bucks rookie center
doesn't screw up the snap count with two minutes left

(01:16:03):
in round one. We probably don't get any of this
from Jayden. It doesn't make him any you know what
I mean? Like that, that's how thin he's youre. They
ended up selling for a field goal. Jayden then drove
the field and then we saw that unbelievable game against
Detroit right last one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Eric garn says there's a case for Harball being responsible
for a game plan that did not focus on the
rushing attack.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
How do you not leverage the King Henry rushing attack?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Listen? They Lamar only threw the ball twenty five times.
I think the real criticism is they should have Lamar
should have run more. Henry had sixteen carries. That's not enough,
but they were behind. Justice Hill though had a half
dozen carries, and he was electric when he got him.
My frustration with that is, I think it's very very
telling when folks all throughout the regular season are like,

(01:16:53):
this guy is the MVP, and then when that team
loses in the playoffs, they're like, why did they give
the MVP the ball so much? They should have given
to someone else. That's all all right, I've got to
do Colin in about an hour, very excited to hear
the latest reason why Jmack thinks the Chiefs actually won't
win when they just keep winning, and argue with Colin

(01:17:13):
that the Chiefs should be ahead of the Bills in
the hierarchy. I will see you guys on First Things
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