March 13, 2025 • 77 mins
Nick Wright weighs in on Stephen A. Smith’s most recent comments concerning his confrontation with LeBron James at the Los Angeles Lakers vs New York Knicks game last week. Then, Nick discusses Tiger Woods’ Achilles injury and what it means for his career. Later, Nick recaps the Oklahoma City Thunder taking on the Boston Celtics, and looks at a throwback video of him interviewing Patrick Mahomes . Finally, as always, Nick and Damonza answer your questions.
0:00 - Intro
5:02 - Russ’ visits is a Shedeur story
8:58 - Nick reacts to Tiger Woods injury
24:56 - Stephen A. Smith fires back at LeBron
38:45 - NFL insiders need to get their priorities straight
57:33 - Nick going to Lakers-Grizzlies
1:00:08 - Nick’s NBA prop picks
1:02:00 - Where will Aaron Rodgers go in free agency?
1:05:14 - OKC def. BOS 118-112
1:12:48 - Throwback Nick & Mahomes interview
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in What's Dray with the great episode three hundred
and ten potential finals preview in the NBA last night.
We'll get to that. And you know, it's an odd
spot because one half of this show is a big
time Celtics fan. That was a game they wanted to win.
(00:21):
The Thunder didn't have their second best player, so you know,
I thought he might be a little down, a little
nervous about his Celtics, who got beat by Oklahoma City
when they played earlier this year, being held to twenty
seven second half points. Then they lose again, and then
I see Demonse and he's wearing an SGA jersey that
(00:45):
he got by the way, like the year SGA was
traded to the Thunder. So what is up with this
front running nonsense that I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I wouldn't call it from running nonsense. I'd just say
that I'm not phased at all. I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh, it's not that you're like now a Thunder guy.
You're just so unbothered. You can even wrap your old SGAs.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Seven game series where these aren't. You know, we're not
just playing one games when it gets to the finals.
We're not worried about it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Okay, all right, fair enough, I mean, I I believe
you kind of. I will also say this, the jersey
over the hooded sweatshirt is a bold look.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, I figured since I was approaching thirty and I
can't do this anymore, that I should probably get those out.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, thirty is strong. I mean he's twenty six.
I mean, I understand what you're saying that. Oh, by
the way, I don't know why this made me think
of it real quick before we get to the actual show.
Producers saying jersey and hoodie is a great look. Okay,
(01:56):
all right, Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
As opposed to what me just coming in here with
the bear jersey on.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I don't know. I don't know the right way to
do it. You have the physique would allow you have
a You have a good enough physique where you could
wear just the jersey. I do remember when I was
in middle school, my school didn't have a uniform, but
had a dress code, and the dress code was you
had to wear collared shirts. It had you had to
(02:22):
wear collared shirts. And I was big on the like
short sleeve polo with a jersey over it. Like that
was my workaround.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Okay, bad luck.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I'm not like I'm not. I had liked the Charles
Barkley Sons jersey and I would wear the school sometimes
the full the Charles Barkley sneakers did, Charles Barkley Sons
shorts did Charles Barkley Jersey over.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
H Polo and over here.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I mean that old so that that all happened, By
the way, I was kind of hinting at on Tuesday's
show something going on with our family that was super positive,
but I didn't say what it was because it wasn't
really my news to share. I then maybe, actually, well, here,
(03:23):
here's what it is. My sister, Demanday's aunt just had
her third baby on Tuesday, right after our show. So
congrats to my sister Joanna and her husband Dan, and
to my niece and nephew Mia and Max for adding
Francesca to their family. After being so careful demanse about
(03:48):
not saying what it was on the pod, I got
a picture from Dan at two fifty four pm Eastern
of my sister holding the baby. The baby had just
been born, and I showed it to wilds It's two
fifty four right before it went on the air. And
(04:08):
Wild starts the show and says, welcome. The first things first,
where we're congratulating Nick's sister Joanna on the new basis,
And I just rolled with it and even said her name.
And I don't know if Dan's parents or my parents
had found out. I don't know America to the world right,
(04:31):
but America found out. But congrats to Joe and Dan.
All right, here's what missed the cut today. The Bills
signed Joey Bosa. I get it high upside, it's only
a one year deal, but man, oh man, that guy
can't stay healthy and so but you know, so that's
the concern with him. His brother has been the far better,
(04:54):
far more productive player for quite some time. Russell Wilson
is visiting Cleveland and the Giants, which to me is
actually more of a Shadoor Sanders story than a Russell
Wilson story, because I don't know where Shadoor Sanders is
gonna get drafted. And here's what I mean when the
(05:16):
whoops that I just tried to I'm trying to get
the draft order up and I went to the twenty
fifteen NFL draft, So it seems like the Titans are
taking cam Ward one. Cleveland is evidently interested in Russell Wilson.
They you know, so they I don't think you try
to sign Russell Wilson, you're trying to draft Cam or
(05:37):
should or Sanders. And so even if they don't get
Russell Wilson, to me, that signals they're not that interested
in should Or. The Giants are desperately trying to get
Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson. So I don't know if
they're interested in Shoud or. You don't think the Patriots
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is a situation.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
How they how they did with Cousins and Pinnix, Like
it's like a safety blinket type of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean, it could be, but I don't think so.
I don't think that Cleveland is ready to yet fully
admit that Deshaun Watson will never play there again. So
I think they're just kind of looking for a bridge.
So the Giants, though, have signaled by going after Rogers
as hard as they have that maybe they're not in
(06:21):
on Sudore. The Patriots are at four, they have Drake May.
The Jags are at five, they have the Prince. The
Raiders are at six they have Geno. Now the Jets
are at seven. They just signed Justin Fields. The Panthers
are at eight, they have Bryce. The Saints are at nine.
They just redid Derek Carr's deal. The Bears are at
(06:42):
ten they have they have Caleb. The Niners are at eleven.
They have Mac Jones now and brock party William's name.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
For a second, there was Kenn.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I know, it's crazy. I was looking at the It's
because I was trying to go through the order in
my head. Your twelve they have Dak Dolphins are at thirteen.
They have Tua. The Culture at fourteen they have Daniel
Jones and Anthony Richardson Falcons fifteen, Pennix Cardinals sixteen, Kyler
Bengals seventeen Joe Burrow. See, I have to forget another
(07:17):
great quarterbacks name, or for tend two that way, it's
not a shot at Kale. The Bengals are seventy. Seattle's
at eighteen. They just signed Darnold Bucks nineteen. They have
Baker Broncos twenty, they have Nicks Steelers twenty one. Maybe
like you know, but they're in. They're but they're going
(07:38):
after Aaron Rodgers harder than anybody. So, like I think
the Shador Sanders drop is very, very real. I think
he is more likely to go after pick fifteen than
he is to go in the top five. So that
was not supposed to be something we were talking about,
(08:00):
but we just talked about it and Aaron Rodgers getting
exactly what he craves and thirsts and needs, which is
our attention, and so shout out to him for everyone
else can make this decision by now. He on the
other hand, man, oh man, I just it's just so complicated.
(08:24):
I think Aaron Rodgers knows where he's going. Reminder everybody
like rate, subscribe, review, check out the podcast. We've got
to be the only podcast that spends a solid ten
minutes on the things we're not talking about. To start
the show, I don't, I promise. I wanted to be
done talking about the stephen A. Lebron stuff, but his
(08:45):
media tour will not end on it, and so we'll
get to that in a moment. But first, some sad
news for one of my favorite athletes ever. I do
want to start there, and then we'll get to the
other stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Go ahead, Yeah, Tiger was just unfortunately it underwent achilles
erruptured achille surgery, so it's probably gonna be out for
a while.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And you said Tiger's your second favorite athlete ever.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I said second favorite because I had always called him.
If you had asked me for the you know, most
of the last twenty years my two favorite athletes, I
would have said Lebron won, Tiger two. And after I
said it, I was like, oh, I kind of forgot
Mahomes has, you know, supplanted some people. So he's Tiger's
one of my three favorite athletes ever. And my story
(09:32):
with Tiger is not the same as my story with Lebron,
where like I started watching him Lebron when I was
in high school and he was in high school. Tiger
goes back further. I remember my late grandfather, who was
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a huge golf fan when I was ten to eleven
years old, and man, I wish you could have met him, Demonse.
He died when I was in college, but he would
have loved you, and you would have loved him. But
he called me, and he wasn't a big phone call guy,
but he called me and told me, he's like, you've
(10:15):
got to turn on the TV. There's this kid who's
going to remake the golf world, remake it and he's
trying to do something no one's ever done, which is
when I think it's third straight Amateur and I turned
it on. And that's exactly what he did in kind
(10:36):
of a stirring comeback victory to win his third straight
amateur title, and then shortly thereafter in the ninety seven Masters,
he beat the world by one hundred strokes and remade
golf as we knew it. And I just think because
(10:58):
of what the last fifteen years have been, people and
young people in particular, don't quite understand what two thousand
really From that ninety seven Masters until the car accident
(11:20):
in his driveway the night before Thanksgiving in two thousand
and nine, what and who Tiger Woods was, or I'm sorry,
and what and who Tiger Woods was was the greatest
golf forever by such a wide margin. I'm sorry to
(11:42):
the Jack Nicholas fans out there, but it can't be
overstated what this man, how he changed a sport the
likes of which no one's I don't think, ever changed
another sport. So I'm just going to remind people of
what he did. So nineties seven Masters he wins by
(12:03):
a dozen strokes. The golf world is so terrified, they
remake the Masters course, they say they're going to tiger
proof it. And then over the next couple years he
doesn't win any majors, and in fact he only comes
close only a couple top fives. And then from the
ninety nine PGA Championship through the two thousand and two
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season he has what will go down in history as
either the greatest or the second greatest stretch in the
history of professional golf. Here's what he did at the majors,
at the tournaments that count. Ninety nine PGA first, two thousand,
Masters fifth, two thousand, US Open first, two thousand, British
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Open first, two thousand, PGA first, two thousand and one
Masters first. In a five major stretch, I'm sorry, a
six major stretch, he won five, including four in a row,
and the one he didn't win he came in fifth.
He then the rest of two thousand and one, twelve,
(13:12):
twenty fifth, twenty ninth in the majors, and then in
two thousand and two won the Masters, won the US Open,
second in the PGA, and in that moment, right there,
he became the second greatest golfer in the history of
the world. He had eight majors. He was in his
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early twenties. He had won the Masters by twelve strokes,
the US Open at Pebble by fifteen strokes, the British
Opened by eight strokes. He had completed the Career Grand
Slam and was one more British Open championship away from
(13:54):
completing the career Grand Slam twice and then three to
oh four remade his swing. So think about that demonse.
He had just had up to that point the greatest
stretch in the history of professional golf. And he was like,
you know what, I think I can be better. And
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in two thousand and three and two thousand and four
he didn't win any majors, only had one top five
and one other top ten, and people were like, oh,
did he make a mistake. Should he not have done that?
Like he was on such a roll. And then from
the Masters in two thousand and five until the US
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Opened in two thousand and eight, there were fourteen majors.
Here is what he did in those fourteen majors in order, first, second, first, fourth, third,
missed the cut first, first, second and second, twelfth first second, first,
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fourteen majors, six wins, four seconds, a third, a fourth,
a twelfth and one bad tournament, and in that US
Open in two thousand and eight, he broke his leg
in the final round, played on that hairline fracture, made
(15:28):
one of the most iconic putts in golf history on
that broken leg on the seventy second hole, just to
force a playoff and have to come back the next
day on the broken leg and play eighteen more and
won it. And then he had the personal trouble, and
(15:55):
he went away and from two thousand and nine to
twenty eighteen, zero firsts, just one second, almost ten times,
he missed the cut, twelve times, he didn't even play
because he was dealing with injuries, he was dealing with
(16:16):
the embarrassment, he was dealing with all of it. And
then that glorious early start because of weather Sunday afternoon
in April twenty nineteen, when he put it all together
one more time for one final great moment as all
(16:37):
great athletes try to have, and he won the twenty
nineteen Masters with Deanna at how old would Deanna have been?
Five years old? Sitting on my lap watching all five
hours of it, and and I just I feel, I know,
(17:00):
this sounds like really really sappy and oddly emotional, but
I love sports, I love him, and I feel so
incredibly blessed to have watched what I believe in my
(17:24):
bones is going to go down as the greatest decade
run of any player in the history of that sport
by a mile. And we every few years we hear
about somebody who's going to who's gonna you know, Oh,
(17:52):
could he be the next Tiger? What you know, could
he challenge the records? And the answer is no, no
one can, no one will. And I understand. Jack Nicholas
won more, Jack one eighteen, Tiger won fifteen. I don't care.
(18:13):
Golf was so much harder, with so much deeper fields,
and Tiger's run of dominance was so compact and great.
But it's the other guys who we hear about that
are oh, like, I've had to listen to people tell
me look out for Scotty Scheffler. And nothing against Scotty Scheffler,
(18:36):
but here's Scotty Scheffler's glorious run. First, missed the cut, second, twenty, first, tenth, second, third, twenty, third, first, eighth, forty, first, seventh.
That's great, man, it's really cool. You are a Hall
of Fame golfer. You got two of them. I I thought, uh,
(19:01):
you know, what, what's brooks Keepka gonna do? Because Kepka's
run was special, but it was still first, sixth thirteenth,
skip the tournament, first, thirty ninth, first, second, first, second, fourth.
Uh oh, Since then, that was five years ago. He's
won one. Rory was gonna take the golf world by storm.
(19:30):
Rory when he blew up. This is what it looked like. First,
then a year and a half of nothing, another first,
then a year or nothing, then first first. That was
in twenty fourteen. He is not one again. No one's
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gonna do it. And part of that is because Tiger
made the sport so popular and so much bigger. The
competition got so much harder. And now people's windows, their
great windows are two years. And listen, I give Jack
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credit for having a legitimate twenty year run. If Tiger
had twenty healthy years, he'd add twenty five majors. And
I'm really bummed that he's not going to get. I mean,
even without the Achilles, we probably knew it was over.
(20:34):
It was over, but I still held on to hope.
But five Masters, three US Opens, three British for PGA,
the most intimidating player in the history of the sport
and potential Mount Rushmore figure of sports of the last
(20:57):
fifty years. Tiger woods Man, and he was doing it
all while kind of living a double life. And I
don't know if that, you know, I'm not sure that
makes it more impressive or not. Why are you giving
me that look, Demanse.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I mean I just didn't know how to react.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
No, I mean it, he was so here's so here's
my kind of maybe uncouth, but I believe in my
bones Tiger take So, Tiger during his run felt like
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and the numbers almost backed this up. He never missed
those six foot putts that guys miss all the time,
and he did go years with literally never missing one
inside of four feet. And I think him the double
(21:59):
life thing was part of why he was so great
at those And I know it sounds crazy, but follow
me for a moment. That's all psychology, and it's all
I'm not like, I'm not going to let the moment
(22:19):
get to me. And I think Tiger felt invincible and
he was like, man, the world thinks, I'm like, you know,
the ultimate family man. I have this impeccable image meanwhile,
I'm out here, you know, popping drugs and sleeping with
(22:41):
the Tippings waitress and I, you know, flying on my
plane and texting her and doing this and nobody knows.
And I got all this and the moment that man
and untouchable and that and that parlayed into I'm untouchable
and untouchable everywhere. And then when that balloon popped, but
(23:06):
not only popped, but he had to hold a press
conference in front of his with his mother in the
front row and the whole world watching, and him saying,
I'm a sex addict and I'm you know, I feel
terribly and really got got taken to the wood shed
(23:30):
by his wife, which is they had a prenup. She said,
I'm leaving you, but all consider staying if you do X,
Y and Z. One of the one of those things
was we rip up the prenup, go to the counsel
and go to this, go to whatever. He said, yes,
(23:51):
and then she left anyway, which again I don't blame
her for that's her prerogative. But he really he he
went from a guy who won everywhere to public humiliation,
losing everywhere, and I think that invincibility went away and
was never gonna come back, and so it was all that,
(24:12):
plus all the injuries and so just a bummer, but
doesn't change the fact that there's not three athletes that I,
as a sports fan, have gotten more enjoyment from watching
than I have with Tiger Woods. And so shout out
(24:32):
to him. Hope the recovery goes well, and I hope
that he can really enjoy watching Charlie try to chase
his son up right, Yeah, and so you know, so
rooting for Charlie, I think that would be really really cool. Okay, well,
in that weird way, speaking of a different goat whose
(24:53):
son is trying to follow somewhat in his footsteps, but
in you know, much more controversial manners. Uh Lebron Bronni
And now the third character in this movie, my buddy
Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Smith. Go ahead, Yeah, So Steven A.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Smith has been going around talking about his confrontation with
Lebron James talked about on his show. I went and
talked to talked about it with Gilbert Arenas and he said,
I thought it was weak. I thought it was some bs. Yeah,
what's your take on it?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then also he went on Sean Hannity's show last night,
Yes and just and this got brought up in despite
the all the awful things Hannity has said about Lebron.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Over the years.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So I have a lot of takes on this, and
I was gonna leave this be, but the Gilbert Arenas
show appearance was to me, it has to be responded to,
and there's so many different tentacles to this, so I
(26:06):
will first first, I want to make this point we
in the media have to be willing to occasionally taken
out everyone does, but particularly us, We in the media
(26:30):
have to be willing to at times be like that
was a miss. I was wrong. I didn't handle that perfectly.
And we in the media also have to recognize and
acknowledge that no matter how big or prominent, or wealthy
(26:57):
or successful any of us ever get, we will never
be from a fame or credibility to the audience standpoint,
on par with the biggest athletes that we cover. It'll
(27:21):
never Howard Cosell was not equal to Muhammad Ali. He
was telling Ali's story. The audience was there for Ali.
Bob Costas was not equal to Michael Jordan. He's He's
(27:42):
telling Michael Jordan's story go ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
To monsen with that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
With that point, don't you think it like because Steve
Natesmith's saying it's weak, Lebron James obviously has all the
leverage on the court. Do you do you not think
that it's a little Uh, I don't know, it's I
don't want to say it's weak, but because he obviously
does have leverage, like, nobody's gonna be on Steven asa
beside it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But you also you that's the thing. So that's the
thing you have to know in the media that you
at some point the actual stars are the people we're
talking about. Sometimes we can be good enough or successful enough,
(28:27):
or prominent enough or whatever where we become kind of
supporting actors, but it's their movie. People are here. They
care so much about them that we become important people
because we talk about them. And so there is there
(28:48):
will never be a White House courus or White House
correspondent that is more important to the political discourse than
the president. There will there, and there will there will
never be a Stephen a Is and he has earned it,
(29:09):
earned it. He he is the most prominent sports media member,
which does make him bigger than some athletes, but he
will never be bigger than the biggest athletes. Like here's
a good kind of you know, back in the Napkin Math,
(29:35):
do you remember demanse Uh, when I went after Patrick Beverly. Yeah,
that is I think two people on kind of equal footing.
But think about why that is. You have me. I'm
(29:57):
just saying we're about on equal footing. Me someone who's
probably near the bottom of the top ten in my
field and someone like him who's near the top of
the bottom ten in his field. And that's where we meet.
So you've got it, like so the and there was
another jab at Patrick Beverley fit in there, but uh
(30:21):
so it is so No, I don't think it's unfair
for Lebron to respond. We all like the And here
is the other thing. You gotta be prepared in the
moment with how you're going to respond if they if
(30:42):
you get checked. And this idea like I got, I
told the story you know, confronted is too strong, but
questioned by Jalen Hurt's mom night before the super Bowl,
and she was totally within her rights. I've told the
story for nothing but good thing to say about her.
(31:05):
Uh And one of the only there are not many
bright sides for me that came out of that Super Bowl.
But I respected her in that interaction so much that
I was part of me, the little part of me
that wasn't heartbroken about the results of the game, was
happy for her because she was so adamant or someone
was gonna win and that he was gonna play great
and all that happened. But in that moment, I had
(31:27):
a choice to make do I snapfold my hand, or
do I say, okay, we can actually talk about it.
What I don't think is typically cool is to in
(31:48):
the moment snapfold your hand and then after the fact
talk and talk and talk and talk and talk about it.
And here's the other pieces of it that I just
(32:08):
I'm gonna go ahead and say I have a hard
time fully buying. On Gilbert's show, stephen A said, essentially,
my producers made me address it. I didn't want to.
(32:30):
My producers made me address it. Bro, That's not how
that works. We all we all know that, Like, that's
it's not how that works on first things. First, I
can't imagine that's how that works. On first take, I
(32:51):
cannot imagine. And I do not think that anybody really
believes like there is anything on that show that stephen
A's like, I do not want to do this, and
they're like, sorry, you have to come on, man, that's
(33:12):
not like, that's not that's not a thing. Like maybe
the day after a finals game if Steve, if someone
was like, I don't want to talk about the basketball game,
they might be like, well you have to and if not,
we're gonna pay, like the but I, that's not a thing.
And the other thing was this because on Gilbert Show,
(33:37):
stephen A said, Oh, I I thought in the moment
this was about Bronni. It wasn't until I saw what
Lebron's conversation mouth somewhat covered mouth not with Richard Jefferson
that I knew this was actually about what I had
(33:58):
said about him as a father. Man. I knew it
the next day. I was on here the next day
and I told everyone that's what it was about. It
was obvious that's what it was about. The everyone who's
in these circles knows that's what it was about. When
(34:19):
Lebron's people called you and you made fun of them,
it was months ago. It was about that. It was
about the I'm begging you as a father, So it's
okay to say has caught off guard, has caught off guard,
(34:40):
didn't really know, and then the other part of it,
like again, and I say this every time, and I'll
say it again, and it's so funny that I texted
with stephen A the day this, the morning before this
all happened, so like I think this happen a week
ago today, I actually text with steven A that morning,
(35:04):
so before it all happened. Obviously I have and I'm
still using current present tense. I hope a good relationship
with him. But I have to be I have to
be fair here because I'm not hesitant ever on this
(35:24):
platform or on the TV show really to criticize colleagues
if I think they're dead wrong. I can't just have
the guys that I really like or my friends or
whatever be like a sacred cows here, especially when this
this is the story that continues to be the story.
The implication with Gilbert and company that listen, maybe I'd
(35:48):
have handled that differently, but I worked for Walt Disney.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Come on, man, ye about like the fighting or like
I was gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I mean, that's what it seemed like was being implied.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I thought the same like listen, Steven Ain't to his credit,
has gotten in great shape and did like a real boxing.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Thing and would be a even even you know at
his at his you know, he's in great japer's age
and is despite being a decade plus order than me.
I'll say it would be a significant favorite over most
other media members. You know what I mean in hand
to hand combat. But the idea that it's like, well,
(36:36):
you know, hands are a little tide because I work
for the mouse. Otherwise, like, come on, man, like, what
are we like that? Let's just go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I don't play a Devil's advocate any longer, but this
last time we'll do it. Do you like what is
in like? Is are we saying that the only thing
that Stephen A. Smith did wrong was call out Lebron
James's father, because everything else like in bounds.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
What's out about it?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Here's so here's what I think. That's a great follow
up and a great question. The I think that I'm
pleading with you as a father was out of line.
It's also what Lebron was responding to that was very
(37:24):
clear from the morning after the event. I again, I
set it on this show on a little emergency pod
that we did right after or over the weekend, but
before the rj uh interaction with Lebron, and it was
(37:46):
it was very clear that's what it was about. So
that is you Now I talked to Vimani about that,
Butmani says, we need to normalize judging other people's parenting,
which is an interesting take, and like it's also you know,
Butmoni's you know, glass house there, not glass house there.
Bamoni ain't got no kids, so he doesn't know how
hard you guys can be sometimes. But but the that is,
(38:10):
that's what triggered Lebron. Okay, that's what it was now
is the criticism of Bronni. Fair it. Let me, I'm
gonna tweak how I word that.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Go ahead, Well, I mean also like there's a while back,
Lebron put out a tweet and I get it's not
Bronni that tweeted, like it's just unfortunate that it's landing
on Bronnie the kid when so.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That tweet is I would argue, and this I think
kind of speaks to how relatively well, not relatively well,
but incredibly well Lebron James has handled twenty five years
in the public eye. That tweets one of the five
biggest missteps of his whole career, honest to God, like
(39:00):
it really is. But the fact that everyone keeps pointing
to this tweet from three years ago as evidence that, oh,
Lebron has been building Bronnie up bigger than he was,
I think speaks to the fact that after that tweet,
Lebron pumped the brakes on it. Right, Like the that
(39:20):
that tweet was it put a bigger target on Bronnie's back,
and so that was that was a mistake that that's
totally fair, and that's that would be criticizing Lebron. You
know that a decision he made, Like, that's totally fair.
But that's not what this was about, right, So the
so but I but to get back to your other
(39:43):
question is is Bronnie James a fair target for criticism?
The answer to that is yes, he's an NBA player,
He's a grown man NBA player. Is it also fair
(40:04):
to say, if this is going to be the one
and only second round pick in the entire draft in
the last two drafts three drafts that we are going
to occasionally criticize on national television, that if you have
(40:29):
been one of the more vocal critics, whether it was
his summer League performance or his opening few G League
games or those awful minutes against the Sixers. Then if
you really want to be fair, you've got to mix
in the context and maybe include, oh, he's actually played
(40:52):
really well since that moment. Now, I think it's probably like,
does that make sense that if I'm that anybody that
you are is you don't have to talk about, but
you choose to talk about either super glowingly or super negatively,
or it's you know that you insert in. It's probably
(41:17):
fair to balance the scale to a degree you don't
have to do. That's why I keep doing the you know,
where he ranks amongst rookies, and he is somewhere between
forty eighth and fifty eighth in every single minutes games, points, assists, steals,
(41:38):
which is what you would hope for from the fifty
to fifth pick. So that's the other piece of this
that I think is a little bit of bullshit. If
you were and this is not, I'm not talking about
Stephen ah here, Okay, if you are to agree, I'm
(42:00):
kind of talking about one of my dearest friends in
the world, among others, but among other not among my
other dearest friends, but Manni is one of my dearest
friends in the world. He's one of many people who
were very loud and skeptical about Bronni being drafted. I
do think what's fair is if you were one of
those people saying this is a farce of a pick
(42:26):
to at some point mention he's acquitting himself pretty well
in the G League, that he's averaging the exact same
as the Lakers first round pick last year in the
G League, that he, you know what, like that, because
I think it's pretty clear that the people who said
this is a farce of a pick, if Bronni in
(42:46):
the G League was four points, couldn't you know? It
is terrible to be like see, And so I just
I do think though that stuff is well again, I
just it's also not all that day to day relevant.
I just what I don't. I just have a really
(43:09):
hard time with the sequence of I didn't want to
talk about this. I've now talked about it almost every
single day on four different platforms since then. I didn't
know what he was mad about when I got a
(43:31):
call five weeks ago from his agent about the exact
thing he's mad about. And anyone with kind of deductive
reasoning knew that's what he's mad about, having been on
the record for twenty years about how many games you
go to and about how everyone you talk about is
(43:53):
welcome to come up and talk to you about anything
they say, and when that happens, to say it was
weak and it was bullshit. And this is why I
started with the we're not on equal playing field with
(44:14):
these guys. Sometimes you don't get to respond like you
can respond. That's let me don't that's I said that wrong.
That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say
is in that moment, I think what he's saying is
I wanted a phone call so I could give give
(44:35):
my side of the story, and Lebron was saying, I
don't give a shit about your side of the story.
I didn't like what you said, and I wanted you
to stop it and if we never speak again, no
skin off my back. And that is a power and
(44:56):
balance because like Lebron's like, I don't care about this relationship.
You might, I don't, and that just kind of is
that that that's why I used the Coseel Ali thing. Now,
cosel actually was incredibly helpful to Ali because Ali had
(45:18):
the US government working against him and a lot of things.
So it's not a perfect example at all, but as
helpful as Howard Cosel was to Muhammad Ali, Howard go
Sel needed Muhammad Ali in that relationship more than Ali
ever needed would need him. And no matter how wealthy
(45:46):
or famous any of us get, we're not the actual stars.
And then we also have to have the humility to
at times just take an l. I don't know why
(46:08):
that is so difficult for certain folks like and that's
and I'm not just pointing out stephen A there at all.
That is that is a lot of people again, well
particularly people that in our business people and are there is.
(46:30):
It's also why there's kind of this unspoken rule almost
like oh, you know, I'm in the media, I'm not
going to criticize other media that I obviously don't subscribe to. You.
I just think that is somewhat hypocritical almost like we
can't we we can't do what we do to these
(46:54):
athletes and then act so wounded if somebody he does
it to us.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Exactly, it's like this guy needs to change this, like
that needs to happen it's like I feel like, yeah
in some fashion, and.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So listen, I really hope this is the end that
of this the and the handity thing.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Made him do it.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, I just I don't. I I don't. Look, given
all the things Sean Hannity has said about Lebron that
I find to be in inaccurate on their face and
wildly unfair, I think going on that turf and doing
(47:47):
this was and now and again in steven A's defense there,
it didn't look like he knew that question was coming,
and he didn't spend a lot of time on it.
You know, I think he was on there to give
more political comment, which is a whole nother discussion. But whatever,
all right, I guess while we're here to Monsey with
you know, Nick Wright Media Corner, I mean, forty five
(48:10):
minutes of the podcast, I've talked golf and you know,
made people I really like and care about in my
profession probably angry with me. Let's go ahead and finish
it off.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Uh? Yeah, So you called out NFL insiders for prioritizing
who was going to make the deals or what was
going on around the deals, as opposed to what actually happened.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
In the deals. I guess they were being messy going.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
On no, it's no, no, no, it's it's here's the deal.
I don't know when this started, but in the last
couple of years, during NFL free agency or during any
contract negotiation, the last words of any tweet from our
NFL insiders are as negotiated by and then Drew Rosenhaus
(48:58):
athletes first, Dandy, Nicole Lynn, whatever the agents and it
is that is I, here is my and I'll be
quick on this. Here is my Cliff's notes. Take the
(49:31):
reason you cultivate these relationships to get the information and
the reason you will scratch somebody's back. Oh you you
know you assistant general manager tipped me off about a trade.
(49:52):
Well at the end of the year, when I'm on
TV talking about potential hot general manager candidates might drop
your name. Oh you agent gave me this contract detail,
so I had it first, I, you know, will make
(50:14):
you know I might share some info that I have
with you. That is journalism very often is transactional in
that way. I understand that I am not naive to that. However,
what the journalist is supposed to get is accurate information
(50:37):
to give to the public. Here kind of is the flow.
The team front office and the agent do a deal.
The journalist has a relationship with someone involved to where
they are trusted to get the deal info. They give
(51:00):
that deal info to the fans who really want to
know the actual info. That's the where it's supposed to go.
What it has kind of turned into is team and
agent make a deal that the whole world is gonna
(51:21):
find out about when the team announces it in a
half hour. Journalist wants to be first by minutes, very
often seconds on Twitter. Agent then says, I'll give it
to you if you report it under these exact terms
(51:45):
and this exact language. And then the consumer, who in
theory is the person trying like that the journalist supposed
to be servicing, gets fucking tricked. It's like, wait, we
gave him, how much? What's the guarantee? How long is
the contract? Is it the most in team history? Is
(52:08):
he the highest paid? We don't know? And then we
gotta wait days for like Florio to post the actual contract.
The whole thing's been polluted, and there wasn't What set
me off about it was And I'm not trying to
(52:30):
protect anyone here, but I just don't. I don't want
to get this wrong. And so I'm not gonna say
the names because I don't actually remember which two reporters
it was. But there was a pretty just nothing burger
signing that from a couple days ago, that two reporters
(52:51):
who worked for two different entities, not colleagues, not like
Rapport and Pelasaro, who called themselves the insiders, like their
partner or whatever. And very often sharin Fo posted word
for word the exact same tweet simultaneously. And I'm like,
(53:14):
so the agent is just writing the tweet for you
to send, and you just copy pastings, putting it out
there like that's that's not what this is and it's
why so, and and you might say, what does it
really matter? Well, there there is like here, I'll give
(53:38):
you an older one, but a real impact of one
of these DeVante Adams traded to the law to the
Las Vegas Raiders. This is years ago, and the contract
shatters the wide receiver record for salary. It's thirty million
(53:59):
dollars per year. That is reported. Okay, tyreek Kill sees
that tells the chiefs, I want thirty million a year,
and the chiefs end up having to trade. DeVante adams
deal was not thirty million a year because the final
(54:19):
two years, which were thirty six and thirty eight million
seventy four million of the deal were totally fake and
that's why he just got cut. So but to the world,
oh no, Devonte Adams reset the market. He didn't. That
(54:40):
was not real info, or at least it was info
with totally devoid of context. Now that's not me crying
as chiefs and the Tyreek Kill trade end up being
one of the greatest transactions the team's made. I don't
think they win the next two Super Bowls if they
don't do it. But it's just the job is to
not be first, credit the agent and mislead the audience.
(55:07):
None of that's the job.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
So at this point, say do you want to break
it first? He was like, none, that's part of the job. Like,
you probably still want to break it first, But ethically, well.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
What you what is first? First to actually have the
true details, or first to just have a vague piece
of it so that you know what I mean. So
here's here's what I My request would be. Just don't
(55:47):
include the numbers till you have the details on them,
because here's the thing. What do fans care about? Where'd
the player go? Team player? Right? Die hards really do
care about the money because it impacts salary cap all
(56:07):
that stuff. Well, then you're not servicing the die hards
if you're giving the money. But it's not the real
money and it's not fully accurate. So just team player,
team player, team player. Try to be first. And if
(56:28):
you're not going to be first with at like the
agents aren't going to feed you the info unless you
agree to include the you know, the most optimistic version
of the money and credit the agent, well then then
(56:51):
then maybe you need to find another way to get
the info. It's hard job. I don't deny it, but
we're really misleading the audience. I don't think that's great demand.
Say I'm gonna have no friends left. Everybody's just gonna
be mad at me. Thank god the super Bowl didn't
come around for another eleven months.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
But I'm in a rough spot.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Takes on takes Minefield.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
It's on minefield.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Now. I will tell you this is just last thing
before you move on. I'm I'm going to Lakers Grizzlies
in Memphis. I don't know if Lebron will be playing
or not, but it's at the end of this month,
and I not the just say it. I took some
(57:48):
of those winnings from the poker this week and bought
two true court side seats. And I do wonder is
there a chance that there's just the bizarro version of
the Lebron Stephen of the interaction of me and just
(58:10):
caught on camera, just a big tap hug. What's going on?
How's the family ole thing? Like, I do think it's
I think it's on the board. I'm saying it's a favorite.
I'm just saying it's on the board.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
I'd say likely.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
I think that at the very least interaction like he'll
he'll see you and you guys have a.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
We have a relationship. We'll see. But but it's also
so funny. So you know your mom's dear friend Jessica obviously,
and Jessica and Nicole are in Memphis. So Jessica has
really good season tickets to the Grizzlies, And when we
said we were going, she was going to give me
and your mom her two seats, and I I was
(58:55):
like telling him Nicole, she and Nicole should keep those seats.
You know they I don't want them to not.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
Court side.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
All fine tickets for you and me, baby, So this
is how it's gonna go, because your sisters are going
on the trip. So it's going to be me and
your mom literal court side. What oh, Nicole and Jessica
(59:27):
in their really good lower bowl seats, DOORA, Deanna and
Jason up in the rafters. That's that's that's how, that's
how this what's gonna go. Yeah, and so there, So
we're gonna have, We're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Uh is gonna be a meeting point.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
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let's go to Aaron Rodgers. Then I do want to
talk a little bit about the basketball from last night,
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and then a really cool throwback clip that I found.
We don't have a ton of time here, but we'll
we'll get it together, all right, Go ahead, Demanse.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Uh, yeah, So for the first time in his career.
Rogers is a free agent.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Pittsburgh, the Giants, and maybe a little bit of Minnesota.
Those are the teams that seem to be a hawk
him down. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
So here's what I think. I think that Aaron Rodgers
knows exactly where he's going and exactly what he's doing,
and Aaron Rodgers wants the attention, and I don't think
that they are still negotiating. I think that he is
(01:03:26):
the main character in his story and in every story,
it would seem, and he, you know, likes that. Well,
there's three teams right now, kind of in a bit
of a two definitely in the Steelers and the Giants,
and one may be in the Vikings that are waiting
(01:03:48):
on him. I I don't understand the Vikings piece of it, Demonse.
And here's why it doesn't make sense to me that
they were like Daniel Jones, we'd like to give you
around ten million dollars to back up JJ McCarthy, and
(01:04:08):
then Daniel Jones went to Indianapolis and they're like, Okay,
Aaron Rodgers, we'd like to give you forty million dollars
to start in front of JJ McCarthy, Like those you
know that it doesn't seem like if you were if
they had tried to retain Sam Darnold and lost him
(01:04:29):
and then they pivoted Darren Rodgers to be like, okay,
that makes you know that's cogent thought, so to speak.
This one doesn't make sense to me. And does you
understand what I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Like, I don't I understand what you're saying, Like it's.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
It just seems like I'm looking for a car. I'm
either gonna get a Miata Tutor or a Mini van.
It's like, well, wait a minute, what are you trying
to get out of this thing? Like the and so
I just don't I don't follow it in that way,
that's all. And so I don't know that he'll pick today.
(01:05:06):
I really don't. I also will say this, the folks
that believe the Steelers could be anything close to contenders
with Aaron Rodgers, they weren't contenders last year with Russell Wilson.
Aaron Rodgers at diappoint in his career is not better
than Russell Wilson. I'm not saying he's worse. They're about
(01:05:26):
the same. Like, and I know they added George Pickens,
but man, that feels so combustible. Pickens and Metcalf and
Rogers like, I don't, I don't. I don't love that
at all. All right, let's do OKAC Boston.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yeah, so the two conference favorites they faced off last
night and Tatum cooked. He had thirty three, eight and eight.
Boston also shot sixty three threes. I think it was
like thirty six at the at the halftime or something
like that. Yeah, but yeah, what enough Sga the flopper?
He yeah, he had thirty four points and ten having
free throws. Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So listen, okay sees awesome. Yeah, and there is no
denying listen with respect to Cleveland, I think okay se
has been the best team in the league so far
this year, and they're now too. And oh against Boston,
they have incredible depth. You remember when we were in
(01:06:27):
LA for Thanksgiving, we went you didn't go, but we
went to Lakers Thunder and I came back after that
and said, man, they just said wave after wave after
wave of defender at you. And Shay has just been
better and better and better ice and yesterday we still
(01:06:55):
they did that without Jalen Williams. And so you have
to be wildly impressed by what they did there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, Jalen Brown also had a freaking stinker. I don't
know what was going on with JV, but.
Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
So he did. But that also speaks to the point
that I made, which is the sweet spot of NBA
superstardom is the Jalen Brown Devin Booker tier where you
get paid as much as anybody. When you're awesome and
you shut the slow down Luca and you have a
sweet donk, people are like, man, that guy's great, and
(01:07:34):
when you have ten points in this game, nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Oh so yeah, listen. I was just telling him. I
honestly think Derek White is the second best player on
the team.
Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I trust the ball and Derick White's hands so much
better than I trusted in Jalen Brown.
Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Like I get nervous.
Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I don't want to say I'm like, oh my gosh,
he's gonna do something stupid. But I'm just like, when
Derek White has the ball, I noticed that he makes
the better He just always makes the right decision, and
I don't think he gets caught up in is dribbling.
I love Derek White, but I don't think he gets
enough credit.
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
But Listen, that's the that's a hell of a take.
I'd have to like, he doesn't seem to ever make mistakes.
I do. I do think that's right. I don't think
he has the responsibility Jalen Brown has. But for the Thunder,
it is still fair to be like, until they do it,
(01:08:28):
I'm gonna question if they can do it. And you
called Shaye the flopper, Listen, Shae can really really manipulate
the refs in a way that is super effective and
super beneficial, and it is a skill and more power
to them are.
Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
The refs watching the games back on TV.
Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
In real time. The same thing people said with Harden
and all that stuff. But here's the thing about that guy.
Those players usually struggle a bit in the playoffs because
you don't get all those calls and you've gotten used
to it. One of the reasons, sorry to turn everything
(01:09:13):
to Lebron, but one of the reasons Lebron is one
of the rare players. Lebron, Jordan, Luca, Shack, there's you know,
a few, but Kobe wasn't one of them. Durants now, Durant,
Durant probably close steph though, is not one of these
(01:09:35):
guys who have unbelievable regular season numbers and their playoff
numbers across the board get a little bit better. One
of the reasons that's the case for Lebron is Lebron
gets such a shitty whistle in the regular season, the
playoff whistle doesn't impact him negatively. He's used to it,
(01:09:55):
like and so the harden Embiid will see about Shay
guys who get this unbelievable regular season whistle. So listen,
the Thunder deserve all the credit in the world, but
it's allowed to be a little skeptical of them. Boston.
I know everyone's going to be like, Boston shoots too
(01:10:17):
many threes, and I don't love it. Stylistically, they're they're
defending champs and they're the favorites to win the title.
Like it, it does seem to be effective. Sixty three is,
you know, the most they've ever shot. So that's that's
not even that's not standard even for them.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I mean, we were down in the entire time, were
trying to shoot threes to get out of that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
I mean, yeah, but you are getting blown out or
out and so I would not be shocked if this
is a finals preview. I do think though, that if
the Lakers are healthy, they can clip Okay, Sae, and
it's really looking like that's a likely second round matchup. No, man,
(01:11:02):
if we could get somehow this second round Eastern Conference
Calves Bucks, Celtics Knicks that just need the bracket to
hold Western Conference thunder Lakers, and we need one upset
(01:11:26):
for this next thing, and then Nuggets Warriors that'd be
an all time second round man all the time. What
are you shaking your head about going through those?
Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I don't know, that's oh, I was shaking my head
because it was a Celtics, No Celtics Knicks. I would
love that, I mean because we.
Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah, you guys crush them. But I just think it'd
be a good be a good matchup. All right. I there,
I was sent a truly unbelievable clip that I hope
demand is not yet heard because I want to see
his real reaction, real time reaction. Have you heard this yet, Demanse, Yeah,
(01:12:08):
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we're going to wrap the show on this. This was
sent to me. I had forgotten about this before the
twenty seventeen NFL Draft, before First Things First Yet existed.
(01:13:39):
Chris Carter and I filled in for Colin Cowherd and
we interviewed a few of the draft prospects. One of
them was a potential first round pick out of Texas
Tech named Patrick mahomes I. And here is one of
the questions I asked him. Listen to his answer, Patrick,
(01:14:02):
I've got a son who's around your age, just a
little bit younger than you, and I did something with
him that I want to do with you. Right now,
you're not driving.
Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Are you no, sir?
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Ten years from now, close your eyes. Think about it.
In a perfect world, everything goes great. You are doing
exactly what you want to do. Take me ten years
from now. Describe where you are and what you don't
have to tell me a city, but describe what your
life is ten years from this moment.
Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Ten years from now, I hope to have a family,
a wife and a kid, or maybe two and I'm
playing in the NFL, one of the best quarterbacks in
the NFL and have a couple of Super Bowl championships
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Well, there you go, so like that, So you already
know your endpoint. Man. So now that you know your endpoint,
every fork in the road, every decision you make, just
keep in mind that's the end point you're trying to
get to. Where people screw up, at least my sec
is they don't know where they're trying to get to.
So you get to fork in the road and you
don't know do I go left right? But Patrick just
said it's got a wife and kids, So I guess
(01:15:00):
that means he's got to, you know, be hitting the
dating scene in the off season a little bit, I guess.
And he got a couple quarters and got a couple
Super Bowl championship, still playing in the league. He already
knows where he's going. He's got to figure out how
to get there.
Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Step one, download Tinder.
Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
So that is remarkable by Patrick that he set the
goals that high and exceeded all of them. He said
one or two kids, he's at three. I didn't know
obviously when I was saying hit the dating scene that
(01:15:36):
he was in a serious relationship. Yeah, you know what
I mean that he had the woman in mind. He
had the woman in mind, and he said one of
the best quarterbacks in the league with a couple championships,
he's the best quarterback in the league and has three.
I mean, that is a really really cool thing. And
(01:15:57):
then the also him. Yeah, right, so that was eight
years ago. It was eight years ago, So that was, Uh,
that was I had no recollection of that. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Yeah, that's truly awesome. I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, and so that that was really cool. So I
don't know if he I'm gonna I'm gonna send if
we put out that clip right there, a little throwback Thursday.
Also again, folks who accuse me of hair plugs or anything,
look closely at that video. You see I have a
full hairline. I just have a shaved head. I don't
(01:16:45):
look like a guy who lost his hair. Look, this
idea is everywhere you can see doesn't matter. Point is
uh Yeah, I mean that's not a guy who's bald,
that's a guy who shaved his head. Wasn't the greatest look.
Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
I would say he could lose that one. Probably don't
ever want to get back to that one unless you
have to.
Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
The but regardless, I don't know. My guess is Patrick
doesn't remember that either. But if we put out that clip,
I'll send it to him. That was really cool. Good
for him, all right, good job demands, Good job everybody.
Thank you to Blue Duck, thank you to the folks
at the volume, thank you, DraftKings, thank you to the listeners.
I don't think any emergency pods this weekend. I need
(01:17:26):
to actually catch up and sleep at some point. TV
show in three hours. See you guys there. What's right
Welcome in What's Dray with the great episode three hundred
and ten potential finals preview in the NBA last night.
We'll get to that. And you know, it's an odd
spot because one half of this show is a big
time Celtics fan. That was a game they wanted to win.
(00:21):
The Thunder didn't have their second best player, so you know,
I thought he might be a little down, a little
nervous about his Celtics, who got beat by Oklahoma City
when they played earlier this year, being held to twenty
seven second half points. Then they lose again, and then
I see Demonse and he's wearing an SGA jersey that
(00:45):
he got by the way, like the year SGA was
traded to the Thunder. So what is up with this
front running nonsense that I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I wouldn't call it from running nonsense. I'd just say
that I'm not phased at all. I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh, it's not that you're like now a Thunder guy.
You're just so unbothered. You can even wrap your old SGAs.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Seven game series where these aren't. You know, we're not
just playing one games when it gets to the finals.
We're not worried about it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Okay, all right, fair enough, I mean, I I believe
you kind of. I will also say this, the jersey
over the hooded sweatshirt is a bold look.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, I figured since I was approaching thirty and I
can't do this anymore, that I should probably get those out.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, thirty is strong. I mean he's twenty six.
I mean, I understand what you're saying that. Oh, by
the way, I don't know why this made me think
of it real quick before we get to the actual show.
Producers saying jersey and hoodie is a great look. Okay,
(01:56):
all right, Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
As opposed to what me just coming in here with
the bear jersey on.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I don't know. I don't know the right way to
do it. You have the physique would allow you have
a You have a good enough physique where you could
wear just the jersey. I do remember when I was
in middle school, my school didn't have a uniform, but
had a dress code, and the dress code was you
had to wear collared shirts. It had you had to
(02:22):
wear collared shirts. And I was big on the like
short sleeve polo with a jersey over it. Like that
was my workaround.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Okay, bad luck.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I'm not like I'm not. I had liked the Charles
Barkley Sons jersey and I would wear the school sometimes
the full the Charles Barkley sneakers did, Charles Barkley Sons
shorts did Charles Barkley Jersey over.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
H Polo and over here.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I mean that old so that that all happened, By
the way, I was kind of hinting at on Tuesday's
show something going on with our family that was super positive,
but I didn't say what it was because it wasn't
really my news to share. I then maybe, actually, well, here,
(03:23):
here's what it is. My sister, Demanday's aunt just had
her third baby on Tuesday, right after our show. So
congrats to my sister Joanna and her husband Dan, and
to my niece and nephew Mia and Max for adding
Francesca to their family. After being so careful demanse about
(03:48):
not saying what it was on the pod, I got
a picture from Dan at two fifty four pm Eastern
of my sister holding the baby. The baby had just
been born, and I showed it to wilds It's two
fifty four right before it went on the air. And
(04:08):
Wild starts the show and says, welcome. The first things first,
where we're congratulating Nick's sister Joanna on the new basis,
And I just rolled with it and even said her name.
And I don't know if Dan's parents or my parents
had found out. I don't know America to the world right,
(04:31):
but America found out. But congrats to Joe and Dan.
All right, here's what missed the cut today. The Bills
signed Joey Bosa. I get it high upside, it's only
a one year deal, but man, oh man, that guy
can't stay healthy and so but you know, so that's
the concern with him. His brother has been the far better,
(04:54):
far more productive player for quite some time. Russell Wilson
is visiting Cleveland and the Giants, which to me is
actually more of a Shadoor Sanders story than a Russell
Wilson story, because I don't know where Shadoor Sanders is
gonna get drafted. And here's what I mean when the
(05:16):
whoops that I just tried to I'm trying to get
the draft order up and I went to the twenty
fifteen NFL draft, So it seems like the Titans are
taking cam Ward one. Cleveland is evidently interested in Russell Wilson.
They you know, so they I don't think you try
to sign Russell Wilson, you're trying to draft Cam or
(05:37):
should or Sanders. And so even if they don't get
Russell Wilson, to me, that signals they're not that interested
in should Or. The Giants are desperately trying to get
Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson. So I don't know if
they're interested in Shoud or. You don't think the Patriots
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is a situation.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
How they how they did with Cousins and Pinnix, Like
it's like a safety blinket type of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean, it could be, but I don't think so.
I don't think that Cleveland is ready to yet fully
admit that Deshaun Watson will never play there again. So
I think they're just kind of looking for a bridge.
So the Giants, though, have signaled by going after Rogers
as hard as they have that maybe they're not in
(06:21):
on Sudore. The Patriots are at four, they have Drake May.
The Jags are at five, they have the Prince. The
Raiders are at six they have Geno. Now the Jets
are at seven. They just signed Justin Fields. The Panthers
are at eight, they have Bryce. The Saints are at nine.
They just redid Derek Carr's deal. The Bears are at
(06:42):
ten they have they have Caleb. The Niners are at eleven.
They have Mac Jones now and brock party William's name.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
For a second, there was Kenn.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I know, it's crazy. I was looking at the It's
because I was trying to go through the order in
my head. Your twelve they have Dak Dolphins are at thirteen.
They have Tua. The Culture at fourteen they have Daniel
Jones and Anthony Richardson Falcons fifteen, Pennix Cardinals sixteen, Kyler
Bengals seventeen Joe Burrow. See, I have to forget another
(07:17):
great quarterbacks name, or for tend two that way, it's
not a shot at Kale. The Bengals are seventy. Seattle's
at eighteen. They just signed Darnold Bucks nineteen. They have
Baker Broncos twenty, they have Nicks Steelers twenty one. Maybe
like you know, but they're in. They're but they're going
(07:38):
after Aaron Rodgers harder than anybody. So, like I think
the Shador Sanders drop is very, very real. I think
he is more likely to go after pick fifteen than
he is to go in the top five. So that
was not supposed to be something we were talking about,
(08:00):
but we just talked about it and Aaron Rodgers getting
exactly what he craves and thirsts and needs, which is
our attention, and so shout out to him for everyone
else can make this decision by now. He on the
other hand, man, oh man, I just it's just so complicated.
(08:24):
I think Aaron Rodgers knows where he's going. Reminder everybody
like rate, subscribe, review, check out the podcast. We've got
to be the only podcast that spends a solid ten
minutes on the things we're not talking about. To start
the show, I don't, I promise. I wanted to be
done talking about the stephen A. Lebron stuff, but his
(08:45):
media tour will not end on it, and so we'll
get to that in a moment. But first, some sad
news for one of my favorite athletes ever. I do
want to start there, and then we'll get to the
other stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Go ahead, Yeah, Tiger was just unfortunately it underwent achilles
erruptured achille surgery, so it's probably gonna be out for
a while.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And you said Tiger's your second favorite athlete ever.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I said second favorite because I had always called him.
If you had asked me for the you know, most
of the last twenty years my two favorite athletes, I
would have said Lebron won, Tiger two. And after I
said it, I was like, oh, I kind of forgot
Mahomes has, you know, supplanted some people. So he's Tiger's
one of my three favorite athletes ever. And my story
(09:32):
with Tiger is not the same as my story with Lebron,
where like I started watching him Lebron when I was
in high school and he was in high school. Tiger
goes back further. I remember my late grandfather, who was
(09:52):
a huge golf fan when I was ten to eleven
years old, and man, I wish you could have met him, Demonse.
He died when I was in college, but he would
have loved you, and you would have loved him. But
he called me, and he wasn't a big phone call guy,
but he called me and told me, he's like, you've
(10:15):
got to turn on the TV. There's this kid who's
going to remake the golf world, remake it and he's
trying to do something no one's ever done, which is
when I think it's third straight Amateur and I turned
it on. And that's exactly what he did in kind
(10:36):
of a stirring comeback victory to win his third straight
amateur title, and then shortly thereafter in the ninety seven Masters,
he beat the world by one hundred strokes and remade
golf as we knew it. And I just think because
(10:58):
of what the last fifteen years have been, people and
young people in particular, don't quite understand what two thousand
really From that ninety seven Masters until the car accident
(11:20):
in his driveway the night before Thanksgiving in two thousand
and nine, what and who Tiger Woods was, or I'm sorry,
and what and who Tiger Woods was was the greatest
golf forever by such a wide margin. I'm sorry to
(11:42):
the Jack Nicholas fans out there, but it can't be
overstated what this man, how he changed a sport the
likes of which no one's I don't think, ever changed
another sport. So I'm just going to remind people of
what he did. So nineties seven Masters he wins by
(12:03):
a dozen strokes. The golf world is so terrified, they
remake the Masters course, they say they're going to tiger
proof it. And then over the next couple years he
doesn't win any majors, and in fact he only comes
close only a couple top fives. And then from the
ninety nine PGA Championship through the two thousand and two
(12:27):
season he has what will go down in history as
either the greatest or the second greatest stretch in the
history of professional golf. Here's what he did at the majors,
at the tournaments that count. Ninety nine PGA first, two thousand,
Masters fifth, two thousand, US Open first, two thousand, British
(12:50):
Open first, two thousand, PGA first, two thousand and one
Masters first. In a five major stretch, I'm sorry, a
six major stretch, he won five, including four in a row,
and the one he didn't win he came in fifth.
He then the rest of two thousand and one, twelve,
(13:12):
twenty fifth, twenty ninth in the majors, and then in
two thousand and two won the Masters, won the US Open,
second in the PGA, and in that moment, right there,
he became the second greatest golfer in the history of
the world. He had eight majors. He was in his
(13:32):
early twenties. He had won the Masters by twelve strokes,
the US Open at Pebble by fifteen strokes, the British
Opened by eight strokes. He had completed the Career Grand
Slam and was one more British Open championship away from
(13:54):
completing the career Grand Slam twice and then three to
oh four remade his swing. So think about that demonse.
He had just had up to that point the greatest
stretch in the history of professional golf. And he was like,
you know what, I think I can be better. And
(14:15):
in two thousand and three and two thousand and four
he didn't win any majors, only had one top five
and one other top ten, and people were like, oh,
did he make a mistake. Should he not have done that?
Like he was on such a roll. And then from
the Masters in two thousand and five until the US
(14:40):
Opened in two thousand and eight, there were fourteen majors.
Here is what he did in those fourteen majors in order, first, second, first, fourth, third,
missed the cut first, first, second and second, twelfth first second, first,
(15:06):
fourteen majors, six wins, four seconds, a third, a fourth,
a twelfth and one bad tournament, and in that US
Open in two thousand and eight, he broke his leg
in the final round, played on that hairline fracture, made
(15:28):
one of the most iconic putts in golf history on
that broken leg on the seventy second hole, just to
force a playoff and have to come back the next
day on the broken leg and play eighteen more and
won it. And then he had the personal trouble, and
(15:55):
he went away and from two thousand and nine to
twenty eighteen, zero firsts, just one second, almost ten times,
he missed the cut, twelve times, he didn't even play
because he was dealing with injuries, he was dealing with
(16:16):
the embarrassment, he was dealing with all of it. And
then that glorious early start because of weather Sunday afternoon
in April twenty nineteen, when he put it all together
one more time for one final great moment as all
(16:37):
great athletes try to have, and he won the twenty
nineteen Masters with Deanna at how old would Deanna have been?
Five years old? Sitting on my lap watching all five
hours of it, and and I just I feel, I know,
(17:00):
this sounds like really really sappy and oddly emotional, but
I love sports, I love him, and I feel so
incredibly blessed to have watched what I believe in my
(17:24):
bones is going to go down as the greatest decade
run of any player in the history of that sport
by a mile. And we every few years we hear
about somebody who's going to who's gonna you know, Oh,
(17:52):
could he be the next Tiger? What you know, could
he challenge the records? And the answer is no, no
one can, no one will. And I understand. Jack Nicholas
won more, Jack one eighteen, Tiger won fifteen. I don't care.
(18:13):
Golf was so much harder, with so much deeper fields,
and Tiger's run of dominance was so compact and great.
But it's the other guys who we hear about that
are oh, like, I've had to listen to people tell
me look out for Scotty Scheffler. And nothing against Scotty Scheffler,
(18:36):
but here's Scotty Scheffler's glorious run. First, missed the cut, second, twenty, first, tenth, second, third, twenty, third, first, eighth, forty, first, seventh.
That's great, man, it's really cool. You are a Hall
of Fame golfer. You got two of them. I I thought, uh,
(19:01):
you know, what, what's brooks Keepka gonna do? Because Kepka's
run was special, but it was still first, sixth thirteenth,
skip the tournament, first, thirty ninth, first, second, first, second, fourth.
Uh oh, Since then, that was five years ago. He's
won one. Rory was gonna take the golf world by storm.
(19:30):
Rory when he blew up. This is what it looked like. First,
then a year and a half of nothing, another first,
then a year or nothing, then first first. That was
in twenty fourteen. He is not one again. No one's
(19:51):
gonna do it. And part of that is because Tiger
made the sport so popular and so much bigger. The
competition got so much harder. And now people's windows, their
great windows are two years. And listen, I give Jack
(20:14):
credit for having a legitimate twenty year run. If Tiger
had twenty healthy years, he'd add twenty five majors. And
I'm really bummed that he's not going to get. I mean,
even without the Achilles, we probably knew it was over.
(20:34):
It was over, but I still held on to hope.
But five Masters, three US Opens, three British for PGA,
the most intimidating player in the history of the sport
and potential Mount Rushmore figure of sports of the last
(20:57):
fifty years. Tiger woods Man, and he was doing it
all while kind of living a double life. And I
don't know if that, you know, I'm not sure that
makes it more impressive or not. Why are you giving
me that look, Demanse.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I mean I just didn't know how to react.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
No, I mean it, he was so here's so here's
my kind of maybe uncouth, but I believe in my
bones Tiger take So, Tiger during his run felt like
(21:37):
and the numbers almost backed this up. He never missed
those six foot putts that guys miss all the time,
and he did go years with literally never missing one
inside of four feet. And I think him the double
(21:59):
life thing was part of why he was so great
at those And I know it sounds crazy, but follow
me for a moment. That's all psychology, and it's all
I'm not like, I'm not going to let the moment
(22:19):
get to me. And I think Tiger felt invincible and
he was like, man, the world thinks, I'm like, you know,
the ultimate family man. I have this impeccable image meanwhile,
I'm out here, you know, popping drugs and sleeping with
(22:41):
the Tippings waitress and I, you know, flying on my
plane and texting her and doing this and nobody knows.
And I got all this and the moment that man
and untouchable and that and that parlayed into I'm untouchable
and untouchable everywhere. And then when that balloon popped, but
(23:06):
not only popped, but he had to hold a press
conference in front of his with his mother in the
front row and the whole world watching, and him saying,
I'm a sex addict and I'm you know, I feel
terribly and really got got taken to the wood shed
(23:30):
by his wife, which is they had a prenup. She said,
I'm leaving you, but all consider staying if you do X,
Y and Z. One of the one of those things
was we rip up the prenup, go to the counsel
and go to this, go to whatever. He said, yes,
(23:51):
and then she left anyway, which again I don't blame
her for that's her prerogative. But he really he he
went from a guy who won everywhere to public humiliation,
losing everywhere, and I think that invincibility went away and
was never gonna come back, and so it was all that,
(24:12):
plus all the injuries and so just a bummer, but
doesn't change the fact that there's not three athletes that I,
as a sports fan, have gotten more enjoyment from watching
than I have with Tiger Woods. And so shout out
(24:32):
to him. Hope the recovery goes well, and I hope
that he can really enjoy watching Charlie try to chase
his son up right, Yeah, and so you know, so
rooting for Charlie, I think that would be really really cool. Okay, well,
in that weird way, speaking of a different goat whose
(24:53):
son is trying to follow somewhat in his footsteps, but
in you know, much more controversial manners. Uh Lebron Bronni
And now the third character in this movie, my buddy
Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Smith. Go ahead, Yeah, So Steven A.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Smith has been going around talking about his confrontation with
Lebron James talked about on his show. I went and
talked to talked about it with Gilbert Arenas and he said,
I thought it was weak. I thought it was some bs. Yeah,
what's your take on it?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then also he went on Sean Hannity's show last night,
Yes and just and this got brought up in despite
the all the awful things Hannity has said about Lebron.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Over the years.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So I have a lot of takes on this, and
I was gonna leave this be, but the Gilbert Arenas
show appearance was to me, it has to be responded to,
and there's so many different tentacles to this, so I
(26:06):
will first first, I want to make this point we
in the media have to be willing to occasionally taken
out everyone does, but particularly us, We in the media
(26:30):
have to be willing to at times be like that
was a miss. I was wrong. I didn't handle that perfectly.
And we in the media also have to recognize and
acknowledge that no matter how big or prominent, or wealthy
(26:57):
or successful any of us ever get, we will never
be from a fame or credibility to the audience standpoint,
on par with the biggest athletes that we cover. It'll
(27:21):
never Howard Cosell was not equal to Muhammad Ali. He
was telling Ali's story. The audience was there for Ali.
Bob Costas was not equal to Michael Jordan. He's He's
(27:42):
telling Michael Jordan's story go ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
To monsen with that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
With that point, don't you think it like because Steve
Natesmith's saying it's weak, Lebron James obviously has all the
leverage on the court. Do you do you not think
that it's a little Uh, I don't know, it's I
don't want to say it's weak, but because he obviously
does have leverage, like, nobody's gonna be on Steven asa
beside it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But you also you that's the thing. So that's the
thing you have to know in the media that you
at some point the actual stars are the people we're
talking about. Sometimes we can be good enough or successful enough,
(28:27):
or prominent enough or whatever where we become kind of
supporting actors, but it's their movie. People are here. They
care so much about them that we become important people
because we talk about them. And so there is there
(28:48):
will never be a White House courus or White House
correspondent that is more important to the political discourse than
the president. There will there, and there will there will
never be a Stephen a Is and he has earned it,
(29:09):
earned it. He he is the most prominent sports media member,
which does make him bigger than some athletes, but he
will never be bigger than the biggest athletes. Like here's
a good kind of you know, back in the Napkin Math,
(29:35):
do you remember demanse Uh, when I went after Patrick Beverly. Yeah,
that is I think two people on kind of equal footing.
But think about why that is. You have me. I'm
(29:57):
just saying we're about on equal footing. Me someone who's
probably near the bottom of the top ten in my
field and someone like him who's near the top of
the bottom ten in his field. And that's where we meet.
So you've got it, like so the and there was
another jab at Patrick Beverley fit in there, but uh
(30:21):
so it is so No, I don't think it's unfair
for Lebron to respond. We all like the And here
is the other thing. You gotta be prepared in the
moment with how you're going to respond if they if
(30:42):
you get checked. And this idea like I got, I
told the story you know, confronted is too strong, but
questioned by Jalen Hurt's mom night before the super Bowl,
and she was totally within her rights. I've told the
story for nothing but good thing to say about her.
(31:05):
Uh And one of the only there are not many
bright sides for me that came out of that Super Bowl.
But I respected her in that interaction so much that
I was part of me, the little part of me
that wasn't heartbroken about the results of the game, was
happy for her because she was so adamant or someone
was gonna win and that he was gonna play great
and all that happened. But in that moment, I had
(31:27):
a choice to make do I snapfold my hand, or
do I say, okay, we can actually talk about it.
What I don't think is typically cool is to in
(31:48):
the moment snapfold your hand and then after the fact
talk and talk and talk and talk and talk about it.
And here's the other pieces of it that I just
(32:08):
I'm gonna go ahead and say I have a hard
time fully buying. On Gilbert's show, stephen A said, essentially,
my producers made me address it. I didn't want to.
(32:30):
My producers made me address it. Bro, That's not how
that works. We all we all know that, Like, that's
it's not how that works on first things. First, I
can't imagine that's how that works. On first take, I
(32:51):
cannot imagine. And I do not think that anybody really
believes like there is anything on that show that stephen
A's like, I do not want to do this, and
they're like, sorry, you have to come on, man, that's
(33:12):
not like, that's not that's not a thing. Like maybe
the day after a finals game if Steve, if someone
was like, I don't want to talk about the basketball game,
they might be like, well you have to and if not,
we're gonna pay, like the but I, that's not a thing.
And the other thing was this because on Gilbert Show,
(33:37):
stephen A said, Oh, I I thought in the moment
this was about Bronni. It wasn't until I saw what
Lebron's conversation mouth somewhat covered mouth not with Richard Jefferson
that I knew this was actually about what I had
(33:58):
said about him as a father. Man. I knew it
the next day. I was on here the next day
and I told everyone that's what it was about. It
was obvious that's what it was about. The everyone who's
in these circles knows that's what it was about. When
(34:19):
Lebron's people called you and you made fun of them,
it was months ago. It was about that. It was
about the I'm begging you as a father, So it's
okay to say has caught off guard, has caught off guard,
(34:40):
didn't really know, and then the other part of it,
like again, and I say this every time, and I'll
say it again, and it's so funny that I texted
with stephen A the day this, the morning before this
all happened, so like I think this happen a week
ago today, I actually text with steven A that morning,
(35:04):
so before it all happened. Obviously I have and I'm
still using current present tense. I hope a good relationship
with him. But I have to be I have to
be fair here because I'm not hesitant ever on this
(35:24):
platform or on the TV show really to criticize colleagues
if I think they're dead wrong. I can't just have
the guys that I really like or my friends or
whatever be like a sacred cows here, especially when this
this is the story that continues to be the story.
The implication with Gilbert and company that listen, maybe I'd
(35:48):
have handled that differently, but I worked for Walt Disney.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Come on, man, ye about like the fighting or like
I was gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I mean, that's what it seemed like was being implied.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I thought the same like listen, Steven Ain't to his credit,
has gotten in great shape and did like a real boxing.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Thing and would be a even even you know at
his at his you know, he's in great japer's age
and is despite being a decade plus order than me.
I'll say it would be a significant favorite over most
other media members. You know what I mean in hand
to hand combat. But the idea that it's like, well,
(36:36):
you know, hands are a little tide because I work
for the mouse. Otherwise, like, come on, man, like, what
are we like that? Let's just go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I don't play a Devil's advocate any longer, but this
last time we'll do it. Do you like what is
in like? Is are we saying that the only thing
that Stephen A. Smith did wrong was call out Lebron
James's father, because everything else like in bounds.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
What's out about it?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Here's so here's what I think. That's a great follow
up and a great question. The I think that I'm
pleading with you as a father was out of line.
It's also what Lebron was responding to that was very
(37:24):
clear from the morning after the event. I again, I
set it on this show on a little emergency pod
that we did right after or over the weekend, but
before the rj uh interaction with Lebron, and it was
(37:46):
it was very clear that's what it was about. So
that is you Now I talked to Vimani about that,
Butmani says, we need to normalize judging other people's parenting,
which is an interesting take, and like it's also you know,
Butmoni's you know, glass house there, not glass house there.
Bamoni ain't got no kids, so he doesn't know how
hard you guys can be sometimes. But but the that is,
(38:10):
that's what triggered Lebron. Okay, that's what it was now
is the criticism of Bronni. Fair it. Let me, I'm
gonna tweak how I word that.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Go ahead, Well, I mean also like there's a while back,
Lebron put out a tweet and I get it's not
Bronni that tweeted, like it's just unfortunate that it's landing
on Bronnie the kid when so.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That tweet is I would argue, and this I think
kind of speaks to how relatively well, not relatively well,
but incredibly well Lebron James has handled twenty five years
in the public eye. That tweets one of the five
biggest missteps of his whole career, honest to God, like
(39:00):
it really is. But the fact that everyone keeps pointing
to this tweet from three years ago as evidence that, oh,
Lebron has been building Bronnie up bigger than he was,
I think speaks to the fact that after that tweet,
Lebron pumped the brakes on it. Right, Like the that
(39:20):
that tweet was it put a bigger target on Bronnie's back,
and so that was that was a mistake that that's
totally fair, and that's that would be criticizing Lebron. You
know that a decision he made, Like, that's totally fair.
But that's not what this was about, right, So the
so but I but to get back to your other
(39:43):
question is is Bronnie James a fair target for criticism?
The answer to that is yes, he's an NBA player,
He's a grown man NBA player. Is it also fair
(40:04):
to say, if this is going to be the one
and only second round pick in the entire draft in
the last two drafts three drafts that we are going
to occasionally criticize on national television, that if you have
(40:29):
been one of the more vocal critics, whether it was
his summer League performance or his opening few G League
games or those awful minutes against the Sixers. Then if
you really want to be fair, you've got to mix
in the context and maybe include, oh, he's actually played
(40:52):
really well since that moment. Now, I think it's probably like,
does that make sense that if I'm that anybody that
you are is you don't have to talk about, but
you choose to talk about either super glowingly or super negatively,
or it's you know that you insert in. It's probably
(41:17):
fair to balance the scale to a degree you don't
have to do. That's why I keep doing the you know,
where he ranks amongst rookies, and he is somewhere between
forty eighth and fifty eighth in every single minutes games, points, assists, steals,
(41:38):
which is what you would hope for from the fifty
to fifth pick. So that's the other piece of this
that I think is a little bit of bullshit. If
you were and this is not, I'm not talking about
Stephen ah here, Okay, if you are to agree, I'm
(42:00):
kind of talking about one of my dearest friends in
the world, among others, but among other not among my
other dearest friends, but Manni is one of my dearest
friends in the world. He's one of many people who
were very loud and skeptical about Bronni being drafted. I
do think what's fair is if you were one of
those people saying this is a farce of a pick
(42:26):
to at some point mention he's acquitting himself pretty well
in the G League, that he's averaging the exact same
as the Lakers first round pick last year in the
G League, that he, you know what, like that, because
I think it's pretty clear that the people who said
this is a farce of a pick, if Bronni in
(42:46):
the G League was four points, couldn't you know? It
is terrible to be like see, And so I just
I do think though that stuff is well again, I
just it's also not all that day to day relevant.
I just what I don't. I just have a really
(43:09):
hard time with the sequence of I didn't want to
talk about this. I've now talked about it almost every
single day on four different platforms since then. I didn't
know what he was mad about when I got a
(43:31):
call five weeks ago from his agent about the exact
thing he's mad about. And anyone with kind of deductive
reasoning knew that's what he's mad about, having been on
the record for twenty years about how many games you
go to and about how everyone you talk about is
(43:53):
welcome to come up and talk to you about anything
they say, and when that happens, to say it was
weak and it was bullshit. And this is why I
started with the we're not on equal playing field with
(44:14):
these guys. Sometimes you don't get to respond like you
can respond. That's let me don't that's I said that wrong.
That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say
is in that moment, I think what he's saying is
I wanted a phone call so I could give give
(44:35):
my side of the story, and Lebron was saying, I
don't give a shit about your side of the story.
I didn't like what you said, and I wanted you
to stop it and if we never speak again, no
skin off my back. And that is a power and
(44:56):
balance because like Lebron's like, I don't care about this relationship.
You might, I don't, and that just kind of is
that that that's why I used the Coseel Ali thing. Now,
cosel actually was incredibly helpful to Ali because Ali had
(45:18):
the US government working against him and a lot of things.
So it's not a perfect example at all, but as
helpful as Howard Cosel was to Muhammad Ali, Howard go
Sel needed Muhammad Ali in that relationship more than Ali
ever needed would need him. And no matter how wealthy
(45:46):
or famous any of us get, we're not the actual stars.
And then we also have to have the humility to
at times just take an l. I don't know why
(46:08):
that is so difficult for certain folks like and that's
and I'm not just pointing out stephen A there at all.
That is that is a lot of people again, well
particularly people that in our business people and are there is.
(46:30):
It's also why there's kind of this unspoken rule almost
like oh, you know, I'm in the media, I'm not
going to criticize other media that I obviously don't subscribe to. You.
I just think that is somewhat hypocritical almost like we
can't we we can't do what we do to these
(46:54):
athletes and then act so wounded if somebody he does
it to us.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Exactly, it's like this guy needs to change this, like
that needs to happen it's like I feel like, yeah
in some fashion, and.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So listen, I really hope this is the end that
of this the and the handity thing.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Made him do it.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, I just I don't. I I don't. Look, given
all the things Sean Hannity has said about Lebron that
I find to be in inaccurate on their face and
wildly unfair, I think going on that turf and doing
(47:47):
this was and now and again in steven A's defense there,
it didn't look like he knew that question was coming,
and he didn't spend a lot of time on it.
You know, I think he was on there to give
more political comment, which is a whole nother discussion. But whatever,
all right, I guess while we're here to Monsey with
you know, Nick Wright Media Corner, I mean, forty five
(48:10):
minutes of the podcast, I've talked golf and you know,
made people I really like and care about in my
profession probably angry with me. Let's go ahead and finish
it off.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Uh? Yeah, So you called out NFL insiders for prioritizing
who was going to make the deals or what was
going on around the deals, as opposed to what actually happened.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
In the deals. I guess they were being messy going.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
On no, it's no, no, no, it's it's here's the deal.
I don't know when this started, but in the last
couple of years, during NFL free agency or during any
contract negotiation, the last words of any tweet from our
NFL insiders are as negotiated by and then Drew Rosenhaus
(48:58):
athletes first, Dandy, Nicole Lynn, whatever the agents and it
is that is I, here is my and I'll be
quick on this. Here is my Cliff's notes. Take the
(49:31):
reason you cultivate these relationships to get the information and
the reason you will scratch somebody's back. Oh you you
know you assistant general manager tipped me off about a trade.
(49:52):
Well at the end of the year, when I'm on
TV talking about potential hot general manager candidates might drop
your name. Oh you agent gave me this contract detail,
so I had it first, I, you know, will make
(50:14):
you know I might share some info that I have
with you. That is journalism very often is transactional in
that way. I understand that I am not naive to that. However,
what the journalist is supposed to get is accurate information
(50:37):
to give to the public. Here kind of is the flow.
The team front office and the agent do a deal.
The journalist has a relationship with someone involved to where
they are trusted to get the deal info. They give
(51:00):
that deal info to the fans who really want to
know the actual info. That's the where it's supposed to go.
What it has kind of turned into is team and
agent make a deal that the whole world is gonna
(51:21):
find out about when the team announces it in a
half hour. Journalist wants to be first by minutes, very
often seconds on Twitter. Agent then says, I'll give it
to you if you report it under these exact terms
(51:45):
and this exact language. And then the consumer, who in
theory is the person trying like that the journalist supposed
to be servicing, gets fucking tricked. It's like, wait, we
gave him, how much? What's the guarantee? How long is
the contract? Is it the most in team history? Is
(52:08):
he the highest paid? We don't know? And then we
gotta wait days for like Florio to post the actual contract.
The whole thing's been polluted, and there wasn't What set
me off about it was And I'm not trying to
(52:30):
protect anyone here, but I just don't. I don't want
to get this wrong. And so I'm not gonna say
the names because I don't actually remember which two reporters
it was. But there was a pretty just nothing burger
signing that from a couple days ago, that two reporters
(52:51):
who worked for two different entities, not colleagues, not like
Rapport and Pelasaro, who called themselves the insiders, like their
partner or whatever. And very often sharin Fo posted word
for word the exact same tweet simultaneously. And I'm like,
(53:14):
so the agent is just writing the tweet for you
to send, and you just copy pastings, putting it out
there like that's that's not what this is and it's
why so, and and you might say, what does it
really matter? Well, there there is like here, I'll give
(53:38):
you an older one, but a real impact of one
of these DeVante Adams traded to the law to the
Las Vegas Raiders. This is years ago, and the contract
shatters the wide receiver record for salary. It's thirty million
(53:59):
dollars per year. That is reported. Okay, tyreek Kill sees
that tells the chiefs, I want thirty million a year,
and the chiefs end up having to trade. DeVante adams
deal was not thirty million a year because the final
(54:19):
two years, which were thirty six and thirty eight million
seventy four million of the deal were totally fake and
that's why he just got cut. So but to the world,
oh no, Devonte Adams reset the market. He didn't. That
(54:40):
was not real info, or at least it was info
with totally devoid of context. Now that's not me crying
as chiefs and the Tyreek Kill trade end up being
one of the greatest transactions the team's made. I don't
think they win the next two Super Bowls if they
don't do it. But it's just the job is to
not be first, credit the agent and mislead the audience.
(55:07):
None of that's the job.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
So at this point, say do you want to break
it first? He was like, none, that's part of the job. Like,
you probably still want to break it first, But ethically, well.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
What you what is first? First to actually have the
true details, or first to just have a vague piece
of it so that you know what I mean. So
here's here's what I My request would be. Just don't
(55:47):
include the numbers till you have the details on them,
because here's the thing. What do fans care about? Where'd
the player go? Team player? Right? Die hards really do
care about the money because it impacts salary cap all
(56:07):
that stuff. Well, then you're not servicing the die hards
if you're giving the money. But it's not the real
money and it's not fully accurate. So just team player,
team player, team player. Try to be first. And if
(56:28):
you're not going to be first with at like the
agents aren't going to feed you the info unless you
agree to include the you know, the most optimistic version
of the money and credit the agent, well then then
(56:51):
then maybe you need to find another way to get
the info. It's hard job. I don't deny it, but
we're really misleading the audience. I don't think that's great demand.
Say I'm gonna have no friends left. Everybody's just gonna
be mad at me. Thank god the super Bowl didn't
come around for another eleven months.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
But I'm in a rough spot.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Takes on takes Minefield.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
It's on minefield.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Now. I will tell you this is just last thing
before you move on. I'm I'm going to Lakers Grizzlies
in Memphis. I don't know if Lebron will be playing
or not, but it's at the end of this month,
and I not the just say it. I took some
(57:48):
of those winnings from the poker this week and bought
two true court side seats. And I do wonder is
there a chance that there's just the bizarro version of
the Lebron Stephen of the interaction of me and just
(58:10):
caught on camera, just a big tap hug. What's going on?
How's the family ole thing? Like, I do think it's
I think it's on the board. I'm saying it's a favorite.
I'm just saying it's on the board.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
I'd say likely.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
I think that at the very least interaction like he'll
he'll see you and you guys have a.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
We have a relationship. We'll see. But but it's also
so funny. So you know your mom's dear friend Jessica obviously,
and Jessica and Nicole are in Memphis. So Jessica has
really good season tickets to the Grizzlies, And when we
said we were going, she was going to give me
and your mom her two seats, and I I was
(58:55):
like telling him Nicole, she and Nicole should keep those seats.
You know they I don't want them to not.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
Court side.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
All fine tickets for you and me, baby, So this
is how it's gonna go, because your sisters are going
on the trip. So it's going to be me and
your mom literal court side. What oh, Nicole and Jessica
(59:27):
in their really good lower bowl seats, DOORA, Deanna and
Jason up in the rafters. That's that's that's how, that's
how this what's gonna go. Yeah, and so there, So
we're gonna have, We're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Uh is gonna be a meeting point.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
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We don't have a ton of time here, but we'll
we'll get it together, all right, Go ahead, Demanse.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Uh, yeah, So for the first time in his career.
Rogers is a free agent.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Pittsburgh, the Giants, and maybe a little bit of Minnesota.
Those are the teams that seem to be a hawk
him down. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
So here's what I think. I think that Aaron Rodgers
knows exactly where he's going and exactly what he's doing,
and Aaron Rodgers wants the attention, and I don't think
that they are still negotiating. I think that he is
(01:03:26):
the main character in his story and in every story,
it would seem, and he, you know, likes that. Well,
there's three teams right now, kind of in a bit
of a two definitely in the Steelers and the Giants,
and one may be in the Vikings that are waiting
(01:03:48):
on him. I I don't understand the Vikings piece of it, Demonse.
And here's why it doesn't make sense to me that
they were like Daniel Jones, we'd like to give you
around ten million dollars to back up JJ McCarthy, and
(01:04:08):
then Daniel Jones went to Indianapolis and they're like, Okay,
Aaron Rodgers, we'd like to give you forty million dollars
to start in front of JJ McCarthy, Like those you
know that it doesn't seem like if you were if
they had tried to retain Sam Darnold and lost him
(01:04:29):
and then they pivoted Darren Rodgers to be like, okay,
that makes you know that's cogent thought, so to speak.
This one doesn't make sense to me. And does you
understand what I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Like, I don't I understand what you're saying, Like it's.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
It just seems like I'm looking for a car. I'm
either gonna get a Miata Tutor or a Mini van.
It's like, well, wait a minute, what are you trying
to get out of this thing? Like the and so
I just don't I don't follow it in that way,
that's all. And so I don't know that he'll pick today.
(01:05:06):
I really don't. I also will say this, the folks
that believe the Steelers could be anything close to contenders
with Aaron Rodgers, they weren't contenders last year with Russell Wilson.
Aaron Rodgers at diappoint in his career is not better
than Russell Wilson. I'm not saying he's worse. They're about
(01:05:26):
the same. Like, and I know they added George Pickens,
but man, that feels so combustible. Pickens and Metcalf and
Rogers like, I don't, I don't. I don't love that
at all. All right, let's do OKAC Boston.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yeah, so the two conference favorites they faced off last
night and Tatum cooked. He had thirty three, eight and eight.
Boston also shot sixty three threes. I think it was
like thirty six at the at the halftime or something
like that. Yeah, but yeah, what enough Sga the flopper?
He yeah, he had thirty four points and ten having
free throws. Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So listen, okay sees awesome. Yeah, and there is no
denying listen with respect to Cleveland, I think okay se
has been the best team in the league so far
this year, and they're now too. And oh against Boston,
they have incredible depth. You remember when we were in
(01:06:27):
LA for Thanksgiving, we went you didn't go, but we
went to Lakers Thunder and I came back after that
and said, man, they just said wave after wave after
wave of defender at you. And Shay has just been
better and better and better ice and yesterday we still
(01:06:55):
they did that without Jalen Williams. And so you have
to be wildly impressed by what they did there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, Jalen Brown also had a freaking stinker. I don't
know what was going on with JV, but.
Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
So he did. But that also speaks to the point
that I made, which is the sweet spot of NBA
superstardom is the Jalen Brown Devin Booker tier where you
get paid as much as anybody. When you're awesome and
you shut the slow down Luca and you have a
sweet donk, people are like, man, that guy's great, and
(01:07:34):
when you have ten points in this game, nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Oh so yeah, listen. I was just telling him. I
honestly think Derek White is the second best player on
the team.
Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I trust the ball and Derick White's hands so much
better than I trusted in Jalen Brown.
Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Like I get nervous.
Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I don't want to say I'm like, oh my gosh,
he's gonna do something stupid. But I'm just like, when
Derek White has the ball, I noticed that he makes
the better He just always makes the right decision, and
I don't think he gets caught up in is dribbling.
I love Derek White, but I don't think he gets
enough credit.
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
But Listen, that's the that's a hell of a take.
I'd have to like, he doesn't seem to ever make mistakes.
I do. I do think that's right. I don't think
he has the responsibility Jalen Brown has. But for the Thunder,
it is still fair to be like, until they do it,
(01:08:28):
I'm gonna question if they can do it. And you
called Shaye the flopper, Listen, Shae can really really manipulate
the refs in a way that is super effective and
super beneficial, and it is a skill and more power
to them are.
Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
The refs watching the games back on TV.
Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
In real time. The same thing people said with Harden
and all that stuff. But here's the thing about that guy.
Those players usually struggle a bit in the playoffs because
you don't get all those calls and you've gotten used
to it. One of the reasons, sorry to turn everything
(01:09:13):
to Lebron, but one of the reasons Lebron is one
of the rare players. Lebron, Jordan, Luca, Shack, there's you know,
a few, but Kobe wasn't one of them. Durants now, Durant,
Durant probably close steph though, is not one of these
(01:09:35):
guys who have unbelievable regular season numbers and their playoff
numbers across the board get a little bit better. One
of the reasons that's the case for Lebron is Lebron
gets such a shitty whistle in the regular season, the
playoff whistle doesn't impact him negatively. He's used to it,
(01:09:55):
like and so the harden Embiid will see about Shay
guys who get this unbelievable regular season whistle. So listen,
the Thunder deserve all the credit in the world, but
it's allowed to be a little skeptical of them. Boston.
I know everyone's going to be like, Boston shoots too
(01:10:17):
many threes, and I don't love it. Stylistically, they're they're
defending champs and they're the favorites to win the title.
Like it, it does seem to be effective. Sixty three is,
you know, the most they've ever shot. So that's that's
not even that's not standard even for them.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I mean, we were down in the entire time, were
trying to shoot threes to get out of that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
I mean, yeah, but you are getting blown out or
out and so I would not be shocked if this
is a finals preview. I do think though, that if
the Lakers are healthy, they can clip Okay, Sae, and
it's really looking like that's a likely second round matchup. No, man,
(01:11:02):
if we could get somehow this second round Eastern Conference
Calves Bucks, Celtics Knicks that just need the bracket to
hold Western Conference thunder Lakers, and we need one upset
(01:11:26):
for this next thing, and then Nuggets Warriors that'd be
an all time second round man all the time. What
are you shaking your head about going through those?
Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I don't know, that's oh, I was shaking my head
because it was a Celtics, No Celtics Knicks. I would
love that, I mean because we.
Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah, you guys crush them. But I just think it'd
be a good be a good matchup. All right. I there,
I was sent a truly unbelievable clip that I hope
demand is not yet heard because I want to see
his real reaction, real time reaction. Have you heard this yet, Demanse, Yeah,
(01:12:08):
I mean I listened to it. Okay, all right, Well
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sent to me. I had forgotten about this before the
twenty seventeen NFL Draft, before First Things First Yet existed.
(01:13:39):
Chris Carter and I filled in for Colin Cowherd and
we interviewed a few of the draft prospects. One of
them was a potential first round pick out of Texas
Tech named Patrick mahomes I. And here is one of
the questions I asked him. Listen to his answer, Patrick,
(01:14:02):
I've got a son who's around your age, just a
little bit younger than you, and I did something with
him that I want to do with you. Right now,
you're not driving.
Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Are you no, sir?
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Ten years from now, close your eyes. Think about it.
In a perfect world, everything goes great. You are doing
exactly what you want to do. Take me ten years
from now. Describe where you are and what you don't
have to tell me a city, but describe what your
life is ten years from this moment.
Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Ten years from now, I hope to have a family,
a wife and a kid, or maybe two and I'm
playing in the NFL, one of the best quarterbacks in
the NFL and have a couple of Super Bowl championships
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Well, there you go, so like that, So you already
know your endpoint. Man. So now that you know your endpoint,
every fork in the road, every decision you make, just
keep in mind that's the end point you're trying to
get to. Where people screw up, at least my sec
is they don't know where they're trying to get to.
So you get to fork in the road and you
don't know do I go left right? But Patrick just
said it's got a wife and kids, So I guess
(01:15:00):
that means he's got to, you know, be hitting the
dating scene in the off season a little bit, I guess.
And he got a couple quarters and got a couple
Super Bowl championship, still playing in the league. He already
knows where he's going. He's got to figure out how
to get there.
Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Step one, download Tinder.
Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
So that is remarkable by Patrick that he set the
goals that high and exceeded all of them. He said
one or two kids, he's at three. I didn't know
obviously when I was saying hit the dating scene that
(01:15:36):
he was in a serious relationship. Yeah, you know what
I mean that he had the woman in mind. He
had the woman in mind, and he said one of
the best quarterbacks in the league with a couple championships,
he's the best quarterback in the league and has three.
I mean, that is a really really cool thing. And
(01:15:57):
then the also him. Yeah, right, so that was eight
years ago. It was eight years ago, So that was, Uh,
that was I had no recollection of that. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Yeah, that's truly awesome. I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, and so that that was really cool. So I
don't know if he I'm gonna I'm gonna send if
we put out that clip right there, a little throwback Thursday.
Also again, folks who accuse me of hair plugs or anything,
look closely at that video. You see I have a
full hairline. I just have a shaved head. I don't
(01:16:45):
look like a guy who lost his hair. Look, this
idea is everywhere you can see doesn't matter. Point is
uh Yeah, I mean that's not a guy who's bald,
that's a guy who shaved his head. Wasn't the greatest look.
Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
I would say he could lose that one. Probably don't
ever want to get back to that one unless you
have to.
Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
The but regardless, I don't know. My guess is Patrick
doesn't remember that either. But if we put out that clip,
I'll send it to him. That was really cool. Good
for him, all right, good job demands, Good job everybody.
Thank you to Blue Duck, thank you to the folks
at the volume, thank you, DraftKings, thank you to the listeners.
I don't think any emergency pods this weekend. I need
(01:17:26):
to actually catch up and sleep at some point. TV
show in three hours. See you guys there. What's right
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