Joseph James DeAngelo Part I: The Man and the Mayhem

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Hey everybody. It's your killer country.
My name is Brittany. Ransom.
Hey, my name is Brian Twitter and this is when Killers get
caught, a podcast of Otis deep dives into the Killer's.
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with a touch of the Paranormal, a story about Cryptids or even
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I have a dedicated recording space and I'm very excited to be
back creating for you on here and tick-tock, Anyway, I'm just
and also a lot of work. Well, I mean, we do it together
so I do want to make it always hang on you but Yeah, but if you
do happen to hear any Echo, I amwaiting on some soundproofing,

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so sorry about that y'all. But this is for all the people
on Tick, Tock, who have been asking me for weeks, when's the
next episode it's now. Now, this is listen.
Now this week on True Crime I have an interesting story so
this is the mystery of a mother who went to the ER and she
vanished 32 years ago. Her name was Myrtle Brown and

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she went to the hospital in Brooklyn in 1998, was May and
then her family never heard fromher again.
Interesting, interesting, so wait, so the ER, she just
disappeared from, right? They like know what?
Her family never heard from her ever again.
So so weird to bring up Ebony Brown, who's her daughter

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because she was 13 years old, when her mom went missing.
And so that may Myrtle Brown wasin New York visiting her, best
friend and her purse was stolen her purse.
Had her epilepsy medication and all of her identification and
she ended up telling her family.Like I don't feel Well, I'm
going to go to the hospital, so they can give me epilepsy meds,

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and so I can get back home. So, she ended up going the Kings
County Hospital in. Brooklyn to get a refill.
Her daughter said that she went by herself and I was the last
time they heard from her and four weeks like her grandparents
and other family members went toall the local police in
Brooklyn. They went to all of the
hospitals in the area and never got any answer.

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Ebony her daughter said that shewere as she wondered if maybe,
you know, like her Mom just wanted a different path in life.
You know, sometimes people do that especially back then when
she said she's really confused and sad.
But then 32 years later in Aprilof this year Myrtle's brother,
Robert Brown was watching, NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt

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and it aired a profile of the cold-case squad at New York
City. It was the the it's run by the
New York City office of chief medical examiner.
That person is dr. Angela solar.
And they had opened up somethinglike 1250 unidentified persons

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cases, and most of them were from the 90s.
Now in this report that Robert Brown was watching, he saw a
picture of a facial reconstruction like it was a
full statue like a clay model and he was like that could be my
sister. Is that my sister and so he and

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his wife called the medical examiner's office and solar and
her team are like we'll look into it and so they take out the
record reconstruction and they're like, okay, this
absolutely would be a middle-aged black woman.
And it did match for all of the things, the family were telling
her, you know, her age when she might have disappeared or died

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May of 1990. And for two months solar
reviews, all of these records they're called unverified
unknowns or missing. People with potential with a
potential name that has not beenverified or confirmed.
She started her search on May 1st 1990 until she found who she
thought was Myrtle Brown on May 17.

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T, but it turns out that that reconstruction wasn't Myrtle.
essentially, the contextual information matched, she passed
away in Brooklyn which matches with the family said, And so
pretty much the brown family's like, oh, well, thanks for
trying and but then they get a call from solar a couple more

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weeks later. And she's like, no, we found
your sister. And and he's just like, she's
like, I think we found your sister.
The daughter was on the call andthat even though that pick that
statue wasn't there, their mom, they did still find her mom in
the records. Okay, so yeah, they ended up

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sending a photograph of her deceased and it was a very, a
perfect match. One of they would have taken at
the morgue since she was unidentified Myrtle, so murder
was 35. She didn't even get registered
or admitted to Kings County Hospital the most.
She hasn't been able to do before she had a seizure was

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walk up to the counter. Give them her name and date of
birth and then she died in the like, emergency waiting room.
Yeah. They were able to hold a virtual
memorial for her because the families like not all the same
place now, but All that solar says she hopes from this

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experience in the fact that they're talking about it now is
that this will encourage other people to come forward because
they are trying to do the work to find a lot of the missing
people. And I'm just saying these are
just the missing cases in Brooklyn.
Those 1,200, I'm sure that there's literally, every
Precinct has their own giant list in New York.

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It's a massive massive state, but you know, but solar said,
Didn't end up being that individual with a recreation,
was based off of this did help us resolve a case and it did
make a difference and that's thepoint to get people to stop and
think for a moment and follow through and give us a phone
call. So in the end, it did have a
good ending. There you go.

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There you go. You can so you Sounder who
technical your technology. Yeah, if it's really copies, got
to have the people to do the work because there's just so
many cold cases across the entire country and that's a lot
of money. And They got to get the funding
and people have to find Value init.
So the more that they publicize,these cases of them actually
closing them, I think they can get more funds and, and show

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that it is worth it to devote money too close to these cases
and giving people some level of cousre.
So what do you got for me? Brian.
Okay, so remember that. God goodness gracious.
What has happened? I don't know.
We talked about A little bit of Courtney clanny.

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You remember her? Not by your name?
What's up? Do you remember?
Okay, well, she goes by and us her name is Courtney cause
Courtney Taylor. She's a oh the only fans lady
who killed the guy in Miami. There you go.
Yeah yeah I don't know her name but I know her face.
I have the picture of her sitting on her Little like the

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sitting outside of her apartmentcovered in blood and handcuffed
on the floor and the dogs are around her.
Yeah, I have that picture on my phone.
Okay, so she is, there's no court hearing going on because
she's been, you know, she's accused of murdering her
boyfriend. Of course, she's being charged
with second-degree murder with adeadly weapon and, you know,

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because as we should, I heard something I saw something about,
like they had, she was trying toget these tapes that they had
pulled from the apartment complex.
Her lawyer was trying to get them.
Cool. Some evidence.
Hold firm evidence. Because it didn't happen that
day and they're like, it doesn'tmatter if it happened that day.
But I'm like, bro. It's a picture of her, picking a

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fight, and then, like, jumping on him, like the clips that they
released of it. I'm like, she was real violent.
Yeah, um. So there is something.
Okay, so there's a lot of if they're more, is it worse?
There's a ton of evidence like it just showing how abusive she

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was in this relationship. I mean that's what the friend
said like her friends were like,I've never seen him do anything.
I've only ever seen her. Do ya, do ya?
Crazy shit, but no. Okay.
So you're so, this is Corey, right?
And guess the prosecutor. He's trying to get into evidence
a? I guess I think it was through

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talking about some videotape. Yeah, it's a hallway outside.
Their apartment is like I said, yeah.
Teams fighting real hard becausethat's evidence that she's
abusive. Yeah, it's like is this happened
two months before his death? But it's like it shows a pattern

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like exactly. Like, yeah, this is what she
does when she did this is actually pretty sure.
Yeah, exactly. And it's funny because it says
that not only do they have about12,000 text messages between her
and her kind of see Beyonce but they also have her only fans

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videos and photos are audio content from the social media
Pages stuff like that is that shows that, you know, that's
been recorded and that's how sheacts.
And that's the type of person that she is.
And the, I guess the judge he's worried, is that so much

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evidence against this one person?
Would make the process of getting a jury a lot harder
because it's, it's gonna make the trial outlandish tyumen.
One of the cases we cover didn't, I think it was.
What's his name? The Dating Game Killer like
Alcala their react hundreds uponhundreds, upon hundreds of pages

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of evidence. It's a lot and it's a lot to
make a jury sit through. Yeah, I like, I get that but I'm
like what? There's so much evidence that
they have couldn't make it so much harder, it's it's a concept
that's so weird to me because they got to go.

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Do you at all? That's the same.
Yeah yeah I think there's a quote from her attorney.
It's a says to vigorously defendmy client.
I'm not going to stand back and let her be a punching bag for
the media. This case needs to be tried in
this courtroom with Texans of a fair and impartial trial. and

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just like I like, okay I get they have a right to a fair and
impartial trial but Known as evidence is stacked against, you
know, it's just like, well, I will say this, I don't know if
her only fans is really necessary right for her.
Like, because I think that's just going to try and paint her

(12:18):
in a negative way because she's a sex worker.
Yeah. That's probably.
That's what they did for. What's her freaking face Casey
Anthony? Yeah, I don't really think we
need that. But the absolutely the evidence
of her in public in the buildingwhere they lived attacking him,
not to mention that apparently you can hear.
Saying in the background of the 911 call when she called it.

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Like he's still alive and he's like, I think I'm dying.
So yes he it's it's sad. Yeah well we'll see what happens
with that case. Hopefully you know hopefully we
hear more about it and you know,it's there's a nice conclusion

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to this that everybody can agreeon except for her.
She hasn't got a nice conclusion.
Yeah, exactly. That's why I got.
All right. So I think Brian that most of us
grew up hearing that cops were our friends.

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Would you would you say that's fair?
Oh really? When you were little we're
talking about little they I would say even some people refer
to it as cop agam de many young children, very much love police
officers. Okay.
Yeah, and I guess yeah. So the media and American
society, if you police officers with a certain level of

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reverence reserved for very few other entities, in our culture.
I mean, I've seen people look a doctor in the face and be like,
I know more than you. But definitely, there have been
little cracks, like the glowing disdain for police brutality
across the United States, the lack of action in The Case of
the, you all be Massacre three months ago, but I think for me,

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probably the first thing that began destroy my belief and
police was when I learned how many of them were Killers.
Because remember, I started learning about True Crime when I
was about 12 years old, and thisisn't a uniquely American thing.
Germany had normally pulk try. Had Zhang kg we covered the
beasts of the Ukraine and episode 14, Mikhail popkov.

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And today we're going to be talking about one of the worst
in the US History. Joseph, James DeAngelo, a serial
rapist, killer burglar and police officer in California.
He started robbing, and raping people in 1974.
And I first knew about him on message boards, as EA are ons

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the East area, rapist, original Night Stalker, His others call
them the pazzaglia ransack. ER but most of our followers
know him as the Golden State killer, which is the name that
stuck when the FBI reopened the investigation into finding him
in 2016, he get caught in 2018 and finally Fleet guilty on June

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29th 2020. Yes, he was in court during
quarantine my covid. Wait, what?
Really? Yes.
Oh, yeah. And and he, shucked and jived,
but we're not going to talk about that yet.
That'll be next week because I had to break this into two parts
because this is, he's another one of these ones.

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Like Gary Ridgway who really lived and actual double life And
so this week we're going to talkabout mainly his upbringing, the
the crimes and and his family life.
And then next week, we will talkwill go into much more detail
because the task forks and things just like with Gary
Ridgway these the people who aresearching for him, searched for

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him for a very long time and some people never gave up.
But before we get to how they caught him, let's start with
where we always start the beginning.
Joseph James, D'Angelo jr. Was born on November 8th 1945
and Bath. New York to his mother Kathleen,
Louise de Grote and Joseph D'Angelo singer, who was from

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Watkins, Glen New York, and Kathleen was a waitress, when
they met, they got married, November 20th 1941 in New York,
he had three other siblings, backe, Connie and John Now
Joseph CR was a well-respected Airmen and their articles that
date back to like 1944, the starGazette that showed that he flew
and raids across Europe. He had been given seven

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different Metals, his dad but Joseph senior in Kathleen didn't
really make it even a decade before they split.
We don't have the exact dates but sometime after Joseph
Juniors brother John was born in1949 the couple split up now,
there are some interesting accounts about Okay, we got to

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pause the dogs freaking out. So I came across a few accounts
from Joe's family about our interesting incident that they
say might have shaped him in a tragic way.
So with Joseph senior being in the military active duty,
apparently they spend some time in German military bases when he

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was young and they're his sisterConnie was apparently sexually
assaulted by two men Now, the details are fuzzy at best, but
essentially Connie son, told theprocess in recent news and the
way you described it as it was kind of like one of those
horrible family, stories that people only whisper about that

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Joe and his sister were playing an abandoned warehouse.
The attack happened in front of him and of course, this has
been. The only person who's talked
about this is Connie son and Plenty of psychiatrist have
waited on the story and think that, you know, seeing something
like this when he was so young, might have explained.
Why he grew up to have like a preoccupation with both law

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enforcement and also turn into arapist himself.
Connie is no longer alive so we can't really confirm if this
really happened but it's just a detail and we're not sure if
it's true or not. But regardless of that other
story, what we do know for sure is that after traveling with
Dad, they did put down roots in Rancho Cordova and a small tract
house. I had to look up.

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Tract house was but tract. Housing is a Housing
Development, built in an area that's been subdivided into
different Lots. When I looked at pictures of
them, it reminded me of like those Suburban neighborhoods
where all the houses, look, the same and their rows and rows and
rows of them. Yeah, though, I guess the
correct term for those are tracthouses.
The interesting thing though wasthat the D'Angelo family was so

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poor that they heard, they ownedvirtually nothing in their home.
Even the kids beds were all rented from like a run, a center
type place. And I think that's poignant
because when Joseph senior went to Korea and then Florida and
never came back. All of the house and the items
in the things that the kids own had to be given back to the bank
and the lenders. Now, Joe's mom, eventually meets

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a traveling welder, who had a wife and kids of his own and
says Southern California, and his name was Jack, the Sanko.
And he'd been in the Navy, I'm sure this illicit relationship,
didn't contribute to his divorcefrom his first wife, but in 1965
Kathleen and Jack got married. The marriage came much later
after the relationship because Jack moved, the family to till

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are California and the 50s whichdid not make Teenage Joseph,
very happy mainly because he wassuddenly responsible for helping
the kids in the family. Lee not just his brother and
sister. But also Jack's kids too because
he was the oldest kid. And this caused a huge Rift in
the relationship with his motherand the two.
Got into a lot of very big fights about it.

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During this time when he was at Mills Junior High School, he
made friends with a girl named Judy about 1959.
And he started hanging out with Judy and her brothers who he
also do from school. He started calling Judy's,
parents Mom and Dad spent as much time as he could with them,
Judy had a huge family and her parents treated Joe.
Stuff, like he was kid. Number 10.

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Now Rancho Cordova was very much, a town, not even halfway
built up at this point, it actually wasn't fully
Incorporated until July 1st 2003.
So, pretty much Judy's brothers and Joseph just ripped and ran
through all these abandoned Vineyards in the area, the town
got big or I guess, big and quotation marks after World War

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Two Soldiers, came back from warand they got their War money and
start building homes there. But they spent their time, you
know, Finding frogs bugs jumpingin the car.
Mal's occasionally beating up people who mess with their
friends and we're gonna see Joseph's first relationship.
Let down happens in Rancho Cordova, he could have been very
old but apparently his schtick was that he liked to steal Jan,

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and work on cars in his teens. And at some point during that
time, he met one of Judy's friends and he kind of fixated
on her a little bit and he took her to a cabin in the woods in
the area to drink and like hang out which seems like a very team
thing to do. And then he asked her to marry
him. And she was like, I barely know

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you. No thanks.
He exactly like your teenagers. So Joe's, only real sexual
information came from Judy's momwho one time sat down all of the
Suns and had a talk with the boys about, you know, the birds
and the bees. Now, Joseph lack of experience
with the girls and a tendency togo too far too fast.

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When courting leads to a lot of heartbreak and not many
girlfriends, which is why he started peeping.
During this time, he even lookedin Judy's window one night and
it scared the absolute crap out of her but she didn't recognize
him because he had a hood up. wecan we can mark this as a
checkmark and showing a predilection for deviancy in his

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teen years since his capture andconviction friends and family,
have told the press that while Joseph was in high school at
them at Folsom High School, he did commit some small burglaries
and he was also known to harm animals, another checkmark in
the MacDonald Triad Now, his time at Folsom, High Schools,
pretty short-lived. He started in 1961 and by 1964.

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He dropped out got his GED and he joined the Navy.
Judy's older brother, had done the same thing like the year
before and the two are best friends.
So maybe he just wanted to be like his buddy.
Not his time in the Navy was as good as any persons time to be
when you finished basic and immediately gets shipped off to
Vietnam. He was called it was a damage

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controlman second class and he served on both the USS kambera
and the USS Piedmont and he finished his time in the Navy in
good standing after a 22-month tour and went back to normal
civilian life. He always like to tell people
that he lost part of his finger in the war, but it was literally
like a machine accident. Like it wasn't because like
anybody caught him, but he likedto let people think that it was

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more important than it was. Now, at this point his
stepfather Jack is working at Sierra Crane and hoist as a
welder. Joseph decided he was like, I'm
gonna go to college and a lot ofyoung men after Vietnam did that
my dad did that. I mean at that point the, the GI
bill was actually said in peopleto college and paying for their

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way to live. So he starts at Sierra College
in Rocklin, California in 1968 and he gets his.
So to go get his associates degree and political in police
science. Which is a degree.
I didn't know existed. And after finishing that he'd
end up going to Sacramento StateUniversity and he begins his
studies. There in 1971.

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I'm gonna say the First Line in the Sand that show that Joseph
is not, a good guy starts in college in this gap.
Before he starts school at Sacramento State, he met and
started dating a girl named Bonnie.
Jean Caldwell and Bonnie's parents were a high school
principal in a former teacher. So they expected a lot of
academic Excellence from Bonnie,she had three siblings who were
all class president. They want School, Bonnie was the

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class Treasurer. She was a really good pianist
who volunteered once a week withVietnam vets.
And when she was in high school,boys, didn't really care a lot
for her. So when she needs Joe at Sierra
College, she's in experience fora little hopeful.
Now, he's presenting himself as this hardened vet.

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Who lost his finger in the war, Mind you he was like a carpenter
on these ships but he did not correct anyone when they
showered him with praise for a vet for being a Vietnam.
Vet. They're like you were in the
jungle and he's like, yeah, totally.
That's what I did. So bodies.

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Excellent students. Thank you for your service
honors cheated people work as a lab assistant, that's actually
how the who's, right? So Joseph study in this like,
you know, Science police scienceand she's working in a lab in
the lab with animals. They have no reason to be in the
same building at all, but he's there.

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And they meet, she likes him, he's into her.
The two were an odd pairing though.
Bonnie was bookish. And Joseph wasn't so, Bonnie,
actually spent a lot of their relationship tutoring him.
In school Bonnie's friends were like, he's old because remember,

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she's like 18, all her friends are 18, 19 year old freshman,
and he's easily for years older than them to try and make up.
I said he didn't want to be like, the weird old guy.
He was always, Ultra, nice, try to be very funny.
People study, gave off a James Dean Vibe, he wore like faded
jeans t-shirts suede boots on Bonnie's.

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Father, stand Caldwell learned about the two of them dating.
He was not into it. He didn't like the Joseph was
older, but Bonnie was on her independent tip and she was
like, I can do what I want with my life.
You're not gonna stop me from beating somebody.
Now when Stan got to meet Josephand he learned that he was a

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Vietnam vet, he was like, okay, maybe he's not that bad because
Dan was a World War, Two vet now, Bonnie had four younger
brothers, who really likes Joseph and he had a blue Road,
Runner with a Hemi engine and so, they were always very
interesting. He take the younger brothers on
trips to a drive-in, he'd offered to fix things for the

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boy, since he was good at that kind of thing.
And even if he like fixed it, and And work well and it like
broke or exploded. They all thought it was
hilarious. So, Now, they're in this
relationship and Joseph starts wearing Bonnie's class ring on
his pinky finger and in Public Heath up gentlemen, but in

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private Bonnie finds his desiresfor sex to be overwhelming.
She would later tell Sacramento prosecutors that while he was
persistent he never forced her and always waited for her to
say, yes, which I still really grating because I don't like it.

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Yeah. Yeah exactly.
But she did also tell them that sex with Joe was like, being
like just stop bugging me about it.
She go alone Every time they hadsex, a detail that would Connect
into some of his victims later in life, shortly, after they
started having sex, Joseph givesbonding a judgment ring, no

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proposal or a man's just like, here you go.
You're mine now. Their engagement, even ran the
local paper Bonnie's. Not sure she wants to marry this
guy. She's 18 years old, but she's
like, if I get married that, I don't have to go back home to my
dad, so she's like, Okay. The stone bothered her too
because he said he found it in Vietnam.

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It was huge and he had put it inthis strange setting.
It wasn't like shave down or anything so that when Bonnie was
trying to do her like medical work as a nurse or in nursing
training, she'd have to turn thering to the inside of her Palm.
She never got the chance to eventell him what she wanted for a
ring and the longer they dated, the more she realized that he

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was just, it was weird addicted to breaking the rules and doing
things that were against the lawor dangerous from Tate like
hopping having when they were on, the hike is motorcycle.
He would take these like paths that were scary, and she would
be on the motorcycle with him. So he was scaring the crap out
of her or like he was like, you should learn how to hunt, you

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know, protect yourself and stuffand so then he would take her
too. Places where it was illegal to
hunt and then he would always betrespassing.
All right, he would spear fish and Folsom Lake which is also
illegal. He would go hunting for Animals
outside of hunting season. So so the spring of 1971,
they're pretty much Junior disappoint.

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Joseph asks body to cross a line, that's too much for her.
He's failing abnormal psychologyand he needs this class to pass
for the the criminal justice. He asks her to cheat and
Bonnie's like no. He even tried to do it without
her permission because I guess they were in the same class and
she's just like, no, I'm not letting you cheat off of me.

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He is livid and this becomes a major issue in their
relationship for Joseph. He's just like, you owe it to
me. We're going to get married one
day. Once I make it onto the
California Highway Patrol, So the night things, explode,
Bonnie's that our parents livingroom and she calls them.
And she's like, we need to talk and she breaks it off with him

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and he's like, what I love, you were meant to be together were
perfect together and Bonnie's just like, we're not a good fit.
I've already decided, she gives him back.
The engagement ring, Joe is losing his shit.
He actually throws the ring intothe backyard in front of the
family and Bonnie, and her brothers ended up looking for,
but they never found it. They weren't even sure he
actually really through it. Now a couple nights later,

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Bonnie wakes up and there is a tap tap, tap on her window.
She moves the curtain and there is Joseph holding a gun against
the glass. It is right in line with her
face and he looks at her and he goes get dressed.
We're going to Reno Bonnie, turns and runs straight into our

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families bedroom, and she's justlike Joe's outside.
He has a gun. He wants me to go to Reno and
Miriam right now. And her dad's like going to the
bathroom, lock the door, I'll come get you when I'm done.
And the dad goes out to go talk to Joseph.
The cops, never get called and Bonnie believes.
The reason her dad didn't call the cops is because it would
have ruined his future and becoming a police officer.

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But about two hours later. That knocks on the bathroom door
and sees, like Joseph's gone. He never told her.
What happened over those two hours, the rest of the family
didn't even know what happened. Bonnie, so freaked out.
She's dropped out of school for the rest of the summer and
changes her major to lab Sciences.

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She gets married to an account in 1972, and she sees Joe one
more time before she graduate before he graduates in 1973.
At this point though, Bonnie is nine months pregnant and they're
at the mall and she pulls her husband to the side and like
hides from him. Nobody goes on to get me.
She has a good life. She doesn't know anything about

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Joe's life until 2018. When her ex-husband the account
she married in 1972 called her in 2018.
And he said, what's the name of that guy?
You dated before me and Bonnie'slike Joseph D'Angelo And her
ex-husband's. Like he just got arrested for

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being a rapist. She wasn't even in the u.s. she
was in Italy with friends of hers.
And she was running a successfultravel blog and reporters
started. Just stalking her and it didn't
stop. When she got back to the US,
people actually took her travel blog and her Facebook page and
turn them into a book before thetrial, even came out and sold on

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Amazon. Right.
What really really messed up Bonnie's was when she heard that
the thirty seventh victim. Wait, her Joe say, I hate you,
Bonnie. After he raped her.
And uncomfortable personal connection to his crimes.

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What's even worse is that in thetime between their breakup and
just graduation 1973? The reports of break-ins in
Rancho Cordova, begin to start. Absolutely.
Now, this is different than moremove most burglaries though.
He would show up outside of people's windows with no pants
on. He would break in, he wouldn't
steal anything, but he would like molest the person while

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they were sleeping and then run away when she broke up.
He's like, maybe he would still coin our rang.
He hit a few houses every night and he was known to also kill
family dogs. now, coincidentally, remember I said
that she saw Joe in the mall that day The woman that she saw

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him with was future wife, SharonMarie, huddle, and Joseph met
Sharon after he, and Bonnie split, Sharon was 17 and Joseph
was 26. She was a freshman at American
River College in North Sacramento studying law.
And as We Know Joe is still analysis.

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Actually, you don't know, but he's now transferred to a new
college and he's studying criminology So the future lawyer
and the future cop match made inheaven, right?
Very quickly. Like they start they start
eating right? As soon as the semester starts
1971 and he she's like coming. Yeah sure summer of 1971,

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Sharon's older, brother James Huddle's there with both of the
parents James was 20 and even though he didn't live with the
family anymore they would still like come over and have like
family dinners. Now, Joseph is all smiles and
full of stories about he was in the Navy for two years.
He was in Vietnam, Sharon's brother.
James was in the Navy room. Nerves.

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That creates some kind of camaraderie Joseph's.
Like, I'm looking for a place tostay since I just, you know,
started at this new school and James is like, well, I have a
friend like I live in a place and we have like an empty room.
My friend who owns the house. It's in Citrus Heights.
You want to talk to him? So, Joseph moves in and that

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friendly setup. Last barely any time, literally
the, the guy who owns the house kicks.
Joseph out in like two months and so as Joseph is leaving,
he's just like you're going to be next buddy.
And he was a wrong because apparently a month after that,
the guy kicked James out for smoking.
So maybe that guy just did want people to really live in his

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house like once you like invite people to live with you and then
you realize like how roommates are like, maybe you just don't
People to live with you, but regardless Joseph gets a
two-bedroom and he's like, you want to live with me?
It was an ideal pairing, both ofthem through the military have
been trained to live neatly but nobody in the Huddle family

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really knows much about Joseph. Definitely not what happened
with Bonnie or that he had a pension for killing animals.
But those two years between 1971and 73 are great for Joseph he
and Sharon are doing great Joseph and James become best
buddies. They fly together.
Go dirt bike, riding other thrill-seeking stuff.

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And then come the cat burglar reports.
For most of my life, I assume that a cat burglar was just an
old timey term for burglary. But actually what it means is a
skilled burglar who gets in and out when people are there.
No. I didn't so Cordova's, well

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Cordova's cat Burgers, active from 1970 to 1973 and it's over,
it's over 30 homes. During the time, he was usually
do it. When the family was sleeping in
one door and out another, there were other cities to and and
their moments when there are gaps.
In Cordova the Pete, Police noticed that he also hit Citrus,

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Heights and other cities all cities.
It seems like Joe has a connection to He mainly just
deals purses wallets, you know money, but the thing with the
touching the ladies happens again and sometimes showing up
with just penis out. Sometimes like he just like

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break-in and be standing next tothe bed like Paranormal
Activity, just staring at peopleand then he would like grab a
lady's boob and then when she wakes up it just runs away.
Yeah. One of the catcher and when she
woke up he told her and I just stole a dollar off of your
trusty. She I think she was just kind of

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in a weird like State. She was like what it back.
He put $2 back on the counter and then walk down the hallway.
Stopped to look at the woman 17 year old daughter sleeping and
then picked off some money up. now, the connection here,
between the original burglar andthis one in Cordova, the Cordova

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cat burglar, is that He's killing dogs.
Of course, the weirdness with sometimes burglarizing with no
pants on. That was also a very clear
connection between the two and some of these homes get hit

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again when the East area rapist becomes active and what it seems
like on most is that he's stealing things that are
unimportant but they're trophiesto him but the like normally
they commit a crime and then they take a trophy to remember.
It's almost like he's Bring themfirst.
And then he comes back years later and rapes, the person it's

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possible but we're not there yeta couple more years.
Now, James huddle mind, you he'sliving with Joseph now and he
remembers a lot of strange moments.
What when they were roommates before he is sister and Joseph.
Get married Joseph's very competitive when it comes to
virtually everything. Even cars dirt bike so James

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gets a nice car. Joseph buys one slightly better
Joseph by the dirt bike. I'm sorry.
James buys a dirt bike. Joseph is like I'm gonna get
one. Slightly better. now, there's
what James calls it, his book, the road rage incident, Is a
moment I think in history that James looked back on as a

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warning sign that he never realized it happens just before
Joseph's College graduation in 1972.
The two of them are driving on Route 40 in Sacramento Joseph.
Very aggressively Burks the car into a lane in front of another
driver James gives the guy the finger.
That's what you do when you're the passenger and then when the
car behind them gets close and tries to pass Joseph, like Yanks

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it, front of them again, just tobe a jerk.
So then the two cars, pull into a McDonald's parking.
Lot. Joseph hops out of the car,
opens the trunk and the other two guys are walking over.
Joseph pulls a 357 Magnum on theother two dudes.
Like you got a problem with us. Of course, the two men run away
immediately. And James looks at Joseph.

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It is like you can't do that. Not if you want to be a cop, but
Joseph kind of shrugged it off. Yeah.
First time he sees his friend and roommate do something,
that's actually scary and James decides to keep it to himself in
his book. He refers to this as a little
red flag and he says, and I quote little red flags can add

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up Graduation comes Joseph is ina prime position to be a great
asset to any Police Department because in the 70s, it was not
common for police officers to have bachelor's degrees even now
only about 30% of them have likebachelor's degrees.
So it was even lower back that he was a perfect candidate.
He had a degree former military training.

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In fact, he was probably over qualified for the job that he
really wanted James continues tobe his roommate.
Sharon contains data. It's early 1973.
Joseph and James go on a HuntingExpedition, and James spins, do
realize that this hunting is, itmeans something extra to Joseph.
There's a situation where they were supposed to be hunting

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jack, rabbits and like Joseph gives him a gun that's entirely
overpowered and he urges James to make the kill.
And when they go, look at the body of little Jackrabbit, it's
completely destroyed. Just obliterated and Joseph
excited. Like, look at how this look at
it. so, you know, and James is like This isn't why I was We

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were supposed to eat that again.Yeah, another little red flag.
Just make the stripping burglarystart in Cordova Meadow, the cat
burglar of Rancho Cordova almostperfectly.
This burglar is not stealing high-ticket items, he stealing

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nude pictures of women women's earrings.
Car magnets, one time. He dumped that a bottle of
codeine pills and stole just thepill bottle, he was now the one
big ticket item he did still was, he was still guns.
But his Mo was breaking into thekitchen door, open up a back
bedroom, put the window screen on the back.

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I'm plugged the furnace move allthe women's underwear into
different rooms in the house. Trash the kitchen a few times.
He left burnt matches on the floor it was very clear to
police. These aren't motivated by
financial gain. Which means for this burger is
getting some kind of high from just wrecking people's houses.
Touch it underwear. Much of this won't make sense

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for another year or two, but fucking are many of like I said,
these, they call them, no loss, robberies, these all become
future homes that are Target's for there for him when he's a
rapist. Now, the police also think this
strange burglar is responsible for hang-up calls that keep
happening. He called us one teenage girl
multiple times and told her I love you.

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I love you. And then the last time he called
her, he said I love you. This is your last night to live
The house where that girl lived was next door to a future
murder. Now and may of 1973.
Joseph becomes not just a policeofficer, but a burglary unit,
police officer and Exeter California.

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Yep, he moves to Exeter for workthe to.
Now James and Sharon get marriedon September, mixing up the
names because Joe and James are so close now.
James gets married, on September15th.
And September 14th at 11 a.m. a 28 year old woman puts down her

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baby for a nap. When she hears a knock on the
door, she ignores it, but grabs her gun.
And then here's someone knockingat the back of the house.
She catches a man breaking in and he runs away.
She makes sure all the windows are locked and she calls her
husband who I just left for work.
The attacker forces, the door with such force that the nails
holding the lock into the door. Break, the woman raises her gun

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at him and he walks away. She calls the police.
He breaks it again and tries to steal the gun and it goes off.
And this time, he runs away for good.
So, literally the night of Jamesrehearsal dinner.
Joseph was trying to like rape awoman.

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Now, a few months later in November Sharon, and Joe get
married, they move into this duplex.
And Exeter Exeter is, a town that only has five thousand.
Pretty much Sharon is prepping for law school.
So she is spending all her time.Studying Joseph is over educated
in a small Podunk town and honestly, Exeter is still small
town. It has like maybe 50,000 people

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now. One of the things I found just
really interesting is that Joseph takes issue with his
fellow officers, fudging the reports.
He complained to James about howhe's like the other police
officers, falsified police reports, and I'm not going to do

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that. I said, what an interesting look
into the mind of a guy who can tell right from wrong, but it
doesn't apply to him. Shortly after this move, Dexter
the series boring. So, you guys in the fall of 1973
1975, 150 homes are broken into.The salya is a city.

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That is 12 miles from Exeter andof course, he's telling Sharon
I'm working. That's why I'm out.
So late every night, Again, never taking much of monetary
value, a single earring, a wedding.
Ring sub trading stamps, sometimes he steals guns, those
are valuable. But you knew that it was the
Visalia ransack. Or if you came home and your

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panties were all over the house,your family photo albums were
destroyed and there's a mess on your bed.
Sometimes he would take kids piggy banks, but it was never
like a major amount of cash flow.
My theory, right? You stole from a child.
But my theory on this is that the cop, he would know how much
he could steal and have it be deemed.
Okay, that's still, that's so hebanks, but still get the high

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off of making people in an area feeling safe.
Now, here's the thing in 1975, he commits.
Over 120 burglars, burglaries. Even and it really just that,
that activity ramps up, There were several attempted sexual
assault during this time, but never fully cross.
That threshold value PD increased patrols, they put

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officers inside of houses, that hadn't been hit yet.
But of course because Joseph is a cop and he has access to other
cops. He could ask cops of the celje.
Oh, where you put in people tonight?
Sometimes he wears a face mask, sometimes he doesn't.
There's a police sketch that wasput out, but it really wasn't
the best. If you look at all the police

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catches they do kind of look like him, but depending on the
year, He was fluctuating pretty drastically and wait.
So like sometimes he like a chubby face, And sometimes he
looks very thin. And so if you were looking at
though the sketch from, when he had a chubby face and now he's

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like thinner because he's been, you know, working out more.
They don't connect anymore because unfortunately outside of
that it just looks like a generic white guy.
The, the sketches just look likegeneric white guy. now, the
first murder in the strings of burglaries happens on September

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11th 1975, And this is a crime that has now been attributed to
Joseph, but it wasn't originallyat was Claude Snelling.
And what the police believe happened is that the Visalia
ransack or broke into the house and attempted to kidnap plot
Snelling 16 year old daughter. Elizabeth quat was a journalism
professor and when he woke up tothe attack, he jumped to action.

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In fact, chasing Joseph out of the house.
And getting fatally shot when they were somewhere in the
distance. Police did find shoe inference
that would connect him to the other ransack or houses and the
gun that was used to kill. Claude was stolen from one of
the other houses that have been hit but Joseph, couldn't be

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charged for this murder for another 40 years.
Now, at this stage of their lives, Joseph and Sharon are
doing pretty good, shared that is at McGeorge School of Law, in
Sacramento and Joe decides that he wants to move up in life
Exeter is too small for me. And so he takes a job with the
Auburn Police to marbet. And that is when the East area

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rapists, assaults began Happening Now, Joe's escalation
from burglar to rapist is quite abrupt but his methodology is
precise, he still crying The doors or Windows of the houses,
he's wearing a ski mask, he shines a flashlight into the eye
of the victim ties them up with a.
Not he learned in the military called a diamond.

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Not he rapes a woman of the house and when the sexual
assaults over, he does exactly like he did before.
Completely trashed the house, take small items like ranks,
maybe some coins, small amounts of cash, he leaves but instead
of going on the main road, he jumps through the neighbors
backyards. Now, Joe only gets officially

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charged with 10 of these rapes, because many of them were past
the statute of limitations in California.
But there were a total of 50 attacks by the East are rapist
from 1976 to 1979. All of these attacks were 20 to
30 miles from where Joseph and Sharon lived.
Many of the victims did not wishto share their names in any

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books about Joseph DeAngelo. So I will continue that process
of an honorable death. The attacks of 1976 started.
As I mentioned, There Were Ten of them from Junie teeth to
December, 18th. And then things, escalated 1977.
Brought 19 more. He would call these victims
before hand hanging up on them or telling them like sexual

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things. Police are definitely aware that
he seems to be casing. The houses to see who is there.
I made sense, because there was a woman attacked and you were a
teen who wasn't assaulted until her husband left to go to work.
Like, almost like we're 15 minutes later, Joseph breaks
into the house. There was another young woman
who was attacked her January 24th and she had like, a

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gathering of all her friends. And as soon as all of her
friends left the house he broke in So it was not even that like
he was preparing this ahead of time but he was sitting waiting
and watching to make sure that anybody who could be a witness
was gone. There's even one where he waited

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like he waited and watched untillike a teenage girl was
essentially like her parents weren't there for a very brief
moment and He sets it up, like, it was like 15 minutes and she's
alone. He sets it up, he takes her out

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of the house and he makes it look like she left of her own
accord, and then tries to assault her and the canals back
behind her home. So these are very very
premeditated. The thing is while he is
meticulous and some ways. He's in other ways he's not so

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he's planning the, the assaults down to a to the like minutes.
But if something happens that he's not prepared for, he just
pulls out a gun and shoots a bystander.
Yep. Or if someone shows up, he's not
prepared for he grabs the victim's car keys and drives
away. Drops the car off in another

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town without the key. Swings it out there that this is
not going away. Now cost these hundred and fifty
a sexual assaults, you have Rancho Cordova Carmichael,
Citrus Heights, Sacramento artedarcade Orangevale, Parkway
Stockton La, riviere Foot Hill, Farms, Modesto, Davis, conquered
San Ramon, San Jose, Danville Fremont, Walnut Creek.

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These are all the towns. He hits during these two years
and it wasn't like the police weren't up on it and we'll talk
more about like the task force. Is that pop up.
In this time period, when we talk about this next week,
because it's a lot of details inthere.
Are some definite people who didsome good work but were limited
with with the science, they had at the time and the neighbors

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were trying to help too. They would call in reports of
Prowlers, if there was anybody who was stopping their car,
didn't recognize, they were calling them in, like, the
neighbors are trying to help. Now, one of them ones are more
bizarre. Rapes happens in September of
1977, when Joseph breaks into a woman's home ties up her
husband, raped her twice and then spends another 90 minutes

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in the house, just doing nothing.
It's like he's not even afraid of getting caught in any more.
Yep. Yep.
They're both tied up, husband and wife and he was just walking
around checking the fridge, grabit, and just chilling there with
her husband. Still tied up.

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Just an extra violation. And of course, like, this isn't,
he's threatening them to I mean,because a lot of the people
after he was gone or able to, like, get out of the knots, but
it's if you move, I'm going to shoot you.
If you move, you're not going tomake it through the rest of the
night. So and he has guns and he shows

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them so and he's not afraid to shoot people, we definitely know
that because in the news, they're reporting that there are
situations where this guy's running from a house and he
shoots Bystanders. So people know that he seriously
doesn't mind killing people. So I guess some of the victims
are just like Let's not die. And the media were definitely on

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this case, they reported on every single case.
He virtually has a connection toall of the city's he's hitting.
Now, he avoids, the town, he's living in Auburn, but his sister
still lives in Rancho Cordova still share, its parents live in
Citrus Heights, Sharon's brotherand his wife live in Orangevale
all towns east of Sacramento, hence, the East area rapist.

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Joseph loves to talk to his family and co-workers about the
East area. Rapist, he brings it up randomly
when he visits James at his house.
He even offers to check James's home security system.
To make sure that James his wifeCindy is saying, of course she

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does, and it's so fake because of course, James is safe.
Joseph was gonna break into their home and lot like, because
didn't James would know, it was him, And, you know, James tells
them what to look for and Josephtells him what to look for in
James trust his brother-in-law. Yeah, by the end of 1977, there

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are 29 rapes that shows no sign of stopping.
At the end of December, though, someone claiming to be the
easier. Rapist sends a poem called,
excitements crave to the Sacramento Bee a newspaper, the
mayor's office and the television station kvie because
I had to hear this horrible poems.
So do you? Let's listen to some horrible.

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Poetry from a rapist. Says all those Mortals surviving
Bertha, post a signature, take inventory of their Worth to
prevailing Society. Choosing values become a task
oneself must seek satisfaction. The selected route will unmask
character when plans take actionaccepting, some work to perform

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and fixed pay. But promise for more is the
recognize social Norm as is decorum seeking more achieving
While others lifting should be cause for deserving Fame lie.
Attempts excitement-seeking, what's right and expected seems
tame, Jesse James has been seen by all and Son of Sam has an
author others. Now feel Temptations, call

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Sacramento, should make an offerto make a movie of my life that
will pay for my planned Exile. Just now I'd like to add the
wife of a mafia Lord to my file your East.
I'm not done yet. You're East area.
Rapist and deserving past. See you in the press or Or on
TV. Oh my gosh.

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I feel like you would like it. Shut the fuck up.
Indeed, indeed 1978. My it was terrible in.
So just fucking the east. Rapist at family events 1978

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starts with an attack on two teen girls.
Not far from the American River Community College, Sharon's
alma, mater, alma mater. The parents find the two girls
tied up when they come home. And the girls report that he
wore a ski mask had a gun, and had a knife.
His second murder happens in February 2nd 1978.
That's husband and wife, Brian and Katie Mae.

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She or they were walking throughCordova Meadows with their dog.
A neighbor reported seeing the attacker and the family running
through a section of fencing that had been blown down in the
storm. The neighbor actually witnessed
a couple, get shot and called 911, but the measure is both
died at the hospital. The police are looking at all of
this and they are discovering that when you kind of look at

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the crimes, they all happen within a third mile, radius of
each other. And so, the police began
focusing on going through roughly, 30,000 crime reports to
try and make sense of the murders.
During this time, they also findthat Cordova Meadows has dozens
of reports of hang-up calls leading to that murder one

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woman. Got a call every night at 8 p.m.
there are Prowler and Cat burglars like style calls being
reported to by March the East area.
Rapist is back in it again. There are 14 more rates that
happen. This year, nine different police
sketches are released to the public about half of them, look
accurate. Now later in 1978, 15 of his

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victims, have a luncheon to discuss their experiences.
And they are all surprised to see that they all look the same
and they have similar backgrounds.
Almost all the women were upper middle class and had dark hair
who, and what you wonder who in Joseph's life is upper middle
class and has dark hair. His wife.

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Now there's a different investigation happening
virtually, every time he hits now during my evil which
happened to be the 42nd rape, police get alerted to the
strange car. Parked a neighborhood and they
find these three notebook sheets.
The first page is a homework essay about General Custer.
The second sheet looks like a journal entry, describing a

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teacher, he million the offer when I read to you.
It's weird but Matt is the word,the word that reminds me of
sixth grade. I hated that Year.
I wish I had known it was going to be going on during my sixth
grade year. The last and worst year of
Elementary School. Matt is the word that remains in
my head about my Dreadful year as a sixth grader.
My madness was one, that was caused by disappointments.

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That hurt me very much, the samepoint was, for my teacher, such
as field trips that were plannedthan cancelled.
And there are loads of misspellings here.
That's a great teacher. Gave me a lot of disappointments
which made me very mad and both state of hatred in my heart.
No one ever let me down that hard before and I never hated
anyone as much as I did him. It's equipment was the only

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reason that made me mad and sixth grade.
Another was getting in trouble School especially talking,
that's what really bugged me waswriting sentences.
Those awful sense is that my teacher made me, write, hours
and hours. I'd sit and write 50, 100 150,
sentence day, and night. I wrote those Dreadful
paragraphs, which embarrass me and more important made me
ashamed of myself. What you turn deep down made me
realize that writing sentences wasn't fair.

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It wasn't fair to make me sufferlike that.
It just wasn't fair to make me sit and write until my bones
ache. And so my hand felt horrid pain.
I got madder and madder until I cried and I cried because I was
ashamed that cried because I wasdisgusted.
I cried, because I was mad. And I cried for myself, the kid
kept on having the right this damn sentences.

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My angriness from 6th grade willscar my memory for life, and
I'll be ashamed of my sixth grade year forever.
And then the final page was a map of a neighborhood with the
word punishment on it. Now, the map wasn't a perfect
replica of Danville, but the cops determined, it looked like
some sort of fantasy killing ground.
And they do believe that this may have been written by Joseph,

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I don't know. But just another weird detail
for you. At the beginning of 1979, there
are no rapes and then they startagain in March and six more
happen until July and the rapes stopped Yeah and I think it's
because in August Joseph got caught shoplifting dog repellent
and a hammer from a pay and savethese items only cost twenty

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dollars but the store cloak was a beast because he liked tackle
Joseph and tied him to a chair. So in the Auburn PD showed up.
They see one of their own tied to a chair by a civilian, he
suspended immediately. In October a jury, finds him

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guilty of misdemeanor theft. He gets a hundred dollar fine on
a six-month probation. He files an appeal in November
but gonna fall through with it. Joseph told his family that he
had put the items in his waistband just to see if they
fit their not to steal them. But he is livid with auburn PD
and expresses a desire with James to kill his bosses.

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Joseph told his family that in the end, there was some kind of
settlement with auburn PD, but there's no record of that.
And with this, the Eastern rapist stops.
However, the emotional trauma ofthese events go on to haunt the
victims. He was sadistic, sometimes he'd
Force deliver the tie up their husbands.

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He would put a stack of dishes on the husband's body so that he
struggled and knocked it over, he would know.
Interestingly enough, some of the victims said that the actual
rate part only lasted for a minute or so, but the rest of
the time he would make these threats and then he would walk
through the house for hours, just wrecking stuff.
Like I said he'd get a beer he'dwatch TV while they were tied

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up. There was one final attempt on
October 1st 1979 a few weeks before his court date a couple
and galleta California near Santa Barbara where attacked the
woman said she heard the robber walking back and forth saying
over and over I'm going to kill you and the woman ran for the
door but he caught her. And when she screamed her

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husband jumped out of bed to help Joseph foot on a bike.
I gotta take a regular bicycle. And the couple actually lived
next door to an FDR officer who happened to be home when is it
up chasing him in his own vehicle?
But Joseph ditch the bike is herhopping fences.

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Now, December 30th 1979. The police think that Joseph
killed again. The victims here are orthopedic
surgeon, Robert Offerman, and his wife, Deborah Manning.
They were found in their home and galleta, which is just like
before near Santa Barbara. Both were bound naked and had
been shot almost execution style, but Robert had two
additional shots to the back. The bullets were off from 38

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caliber bullet, from a 38 caliber gun.
Now, there have been burglaries in this area before the murder
and 1979 showed a increase in homicides, in Santa Barbara
which is usually a. It's a pretty quiet Beach.
Town that had was known for its fitness and health businesses in
the 70s. The beginning of 1980 brings

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change for Joseph and Sharon. They buy a house in Citrus
Heights and Sharon finishes up her schooling and begins looking
for a job as attorney. At one point, they're living in
two homes, as Sharon is living and working in LA and Joe is
staying in Citrus Heights. This is important because there
are some crimes that happen nearI'll lay, and it makes sense

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because he would have been traveling back and forth to
visit her. So, that would be March 16. 1980
Lyman Smith and his wife. Charlene are both executed in
their home. They were found naked and bound
this time. However, the attacker had used a
log to beat the both of them to death.
It was a pretty gruesome scene and even more horribly.

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They were found by Gary Smith. Lions 12 year old son, Gary
lived with his mother and Charlene was his mother-in-law,
and so he would come over like, on the weekends and he would mow
his dad's lawn and he found his father's body.
Maybe that's what he was doing. Just that interestingly enough,
the houses aren't being trashed anymore.

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But one thing that he is leavingbehind that he didn't leave
behind really was for was the semen sample. which, Which we
know will L be connected to Joseph.
Now for people in California, the city of Ventura is 400-mile,

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cute little area. So we're talking about roughly
what, like 30 in Cordova, another hundred and fifty in the
Sacramento area. Now and now, 400 miles away.

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We have killings happening for the police.
These don't make sense that theywould be connected because they
don't know that Sharon is working in LA.
So he has reason to be in LA. And so that's why these crimes
are happening here. But for people who didn't know,
it was him, obviously. They didn't have any reason to
assume that the person who they would name the original Night

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Stalker. Is the same person as the East
area rapist. The next murder happened on
August 21st, 1980 another coupleKeith and Patrice Harrington.
They are found in their home andLaguna Niguel California.
They were in their beds and unlike the prior to they sure to
home with Keith's older Father. Robert Keefe was a medical

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student at UC Irvine and Patricewas a nurse and just like with a
Smith's. They were bludgeoned with a
piece of wood and they had markson their wrists showing.
They've been bound at some pointbut he cut them loose when he
was done. Patrice was sexually assaulted
in the police. Did recover semen from her body?
This crime took place an EngagedCommunity, which is definitely

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very alarming for the community.But she also got a think a game
is only useful. If somebody is not intending to
get around it, But what this is important for is that the people
who Joseph are attacking our, what many people call low risk,
okay. High-risk victims are people who

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work on the street live on the street homeless people runaways,
usually the general victims in alot of our cases, so the fact
that he is specifically targeting people who should be
safe is scary. He's taking nothing from the
house and he is no longer getting his jollies for making

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people. Feel unsafe in their homes.
He's escalated past the need to,to taunt his victims.
After he rapes them, the new highest murder.
The Killing stopped temporary from the fall of 1980.
And to 1981, this is around the time period where Sharon moves
back in with Joseph and she's pregnant with her first child.
That first daughter is born, September 1981.

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Her name is Misha and Joseph would kill Manuela women in
Irvine, California in February of 1981.
Now Manuela was a teller for California, First National Bank
and her husband was actually in the hospital and she was
attacked. Another one that looks like he

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landed. She was found wearing her
bathrobe and wrapped up partially in a sleeping bag.
She had been hit in the back of the head, with a blunt object
and had been tied up as well semen found at the scene as
well. Interestingly enough Joseph
tormented manuela's husband and his second wife for like another
decade. He would call them and say he

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was going to kill them. Just heavy breathing on the
phone. The couple actually ended up
moving away from California. To get away from these phone
calls and David wooden died in 2008.
He actually did not get to ever learn who killed his first wife.
Rhonda David's, second wife saidthat, when the feds showed like

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played those old voicemails again because they, they,
they're a bunch of them from the70s and to like 2001.
But when they replayed them again, recently, she said she
recognized them from the phone calls that she And David heard
over the years. Now, July 27th, 1980 one.

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Another couple is killed and galleta again.
So the third hit and galleta. Let's Greg Sanchez and Cherry
Deming and Sherry Domingo. Now, Sherry was house-sitting a
home. That were removed, the it
belonged to a group of Errors who are putting up for sale,
like one of their family membersdied, but they wanted somebody
at the home so that it wouldn't be a target for thieves and

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usually Sherry had her daughter.Stay with her.
When she was there at the, you know, these things.
But Sherry's daughter was out with her friends, like at her
friend's house, that night and more than likely, they think
that Joseph saw this house because he saw a mother and
daughter coming and going. Now, Greg was described in a lot
of the news articles as Sheree'sboyfriend.

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But according to family friends,the two had broken up and they
had remained close friends. So I'm wondering if Greg was
there because share a Sherry's daughter wasn't and it was kind
of, you know, to protect them inthis big.
House. And fortunately, neither of them
survived that night the following morning, a group of
real estate agents arrive to do a home inspection and found
their very battered remains. Greg was found completely naked

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face down partially in the bedroom closet, there was a
gunshot from the back that went through his cheek, but that did
not kill him. What did kill him was being hit
in the back of the head 24 times.
It looked like Joseph Blitz, attacked him and didn't even tie
him up, Sherry was naked lying face down on the bed and her
arms at some point have been bound behind her back.

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She was hit several times in thehead as well.
This is about the time that the police are like this, seems like
a serial killer. And so, that's the media called
him, the Night Stalker, and he is known as the original Night
Stalker, eventually the acronym,EA are ons.
Became what? Those of us who follow this case

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online called him, but that doesn't happen until the 2000s
for now, the police think that the East area rapist is
different guy in Sacramento, andthe Night Stalker is a different
guy. Like I said, Nisha, D'Angelo's
born in September the whole huddle family rejoices.
We have another grandchild because James already had two

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daughters Sharon's working for the National Labor Relations
Board. And Joseph isn't really working
at all. He in some kind of being a
stay-at-home dad for a little bit.
It's odd. Yeah it's obvious he's a primary
parent because he's not really atouchy-feely kind of guy and he
definitely tries to police all of his family's Behavior.
Like oh how kind of bullying James to not like show affection

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to his own kids when they're allhanging out together which is
weird and I yeah 1982 comes and official Sharon is officially
added to the State Bar of California.
This is a very exciting moment that Sheridan wish you would
time. And working as a divorce
attorney that same year and the police were at a loss because

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all the murders just stop. I wonder if this is like because
Joseph is now responsible for a kid, pretty much all the time
and he just doesn't have the time.
Right. Yes, he's too busy.

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You put the child rearing? No, they usually don't.
Well that does firstly. That's the first time I've heard
like you know when he served Killers just like what part of
me off the walls if his truck doesn't have to sustain him, I
mean for children for a child. Yeah, they don't need to see
James and his book tells a storyabout how one time he went over

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to Joseph house. And Joseph showed him this like
big gold bar. And he's just like, where'd you
get this? And he's like Vietnam.
But what James thinks is that all those like gold earrings and
rings that he stole from his victims, he melted them all
down. And that gold bar is his trophy.

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Did she know you're no burglaries and assaults?
No murders happen again until 1960 1986.
So the stuff I stole just at thecaring.
Got hanging Oaks sharing brieflywork for the state of
California, but hated the politics and she open her own
practice around this time. Sasha D'Angelo was born in
November of 1986 and right before sponsors birth that final

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murder was committed that we know of It was one of the worst.
The victim was Janelle Cruz. She was 18 years old and worked
for a pizza place called Boeing goes.
Pizza as a cashier. By now, I think a lot of people
probably felt like it was safe. I've been for years, no rapes,
no murders. But unfortunately, for Janelle,

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he just wasn't done on May 4th. She was home alone in Irvine and
according to her sister, Michelle Crews, who had to
identify her body. Her sister did have binding
marks on her wrists. The police said, she'd been
raped and Michelle said that shewas being to the point of all
recognition Jenelle's. Mother was on vacation and real

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estate agents who are praising their home discovered her body
that following day. The police had all but forgotten
about the EC, a rapist at this point and instead, they fixated
on Gregory Gonzalez. Now Greg engine now.
But both spent some time in rehab for drugs and that's how
they knew each other and Greg told somebody.

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He killed his friend Janelle. And the police were like, hey,
we got a confession, we're good.It wasn't until they begin cross
testing these cases against the DNA.
They eventually get in the system that they learn.
That this was actually another Golden State killer.
Now, James huddle, guess who he's divorced from his wife.

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After his wife has an affair andhe moves a lot closer to the
family and James, and Joseph, and Sharon all our spend a lot
more time together. James has two daughters, Deanna,
and Nicole, and Joseph has Sasha, and Misha, and the
cousins get to play together. Joseph puts up, an above-ground
pool, the kids play the men Grill Joseph, during this time,

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picked up building model boats and the men spend hours building
delicate, you know, both models as his daughters grow up.
Joseph teaches them how to shootJames, not really interested.
In teaching his daughters had a whole guns.
James says that he's not always the most stable during these
years, he would lose his cool over very minor things and yell

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a lot of the girls Only once at all these family gatherings.
However, did James really experienced Joseph as the Golden
State killer, so the two families really liked horror
movies and they would get together and watch all the scary
movies and they watched all the grades pumpkin said Freddy
Krueger Jason Chucky but one night.
They're all sitting around watching Texas, Chainsaw

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Massacre. And James sees a little crack in
the facade. He said that while they were
watching the film Joseph's eyes,get wide and like, clenches his
teeth. And he's talking through the
10th clenched teeth, which is the same way he talked to his
victims and he called them on the phone.

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Not really sure why watching that particular movie caused him
to kind of relive something but it did interestingly enough.
He discouraged his children fromwatching anything True Crime
related. Repeatedly referred to True
Crimes cases as junk and he would make them change the
channel if he saw it and I'm like, was he scared that

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somebody might recognize him as?Yeah.
Yeah. The FBI have released.
Some of those phone calls that he made to the victims,
interesting things jumper talking about.
So yeah, house got burglarize, not much was stolen but it was
traced to a guy living out of a motel.

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Ended up getting their things back, but the kids are scared
and like Joseph took them aroundthe house and showed them like
all the security to like make sure the kids felt safe.
Now, in terms of his General Life with his family, he's a
strict guy. A lot of his military training
is passed down into the kids cleanliness.
Not eating or drinking too many sweets.
We don't need the air. Conditioner on all day.

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We can handle it, not bullying, a cousin or a sister for being a
bit chubby. He's actually really serious
about that not being wasteful with your food.
He wore a white shirt and white pants virtually every single
day, perfectly ironed, he's meticulous and most of his daily
activities. even his lawn was perfect to the point where his

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neighbor said that, like, he hadthese weird Boulders in the yard
where he can't really get the weed whacker to close obviously.
So he would cut the grass, knew the boulder to make sure it was
perfect and aligned with the rest of the year.
He insisted that the dishes always get done that.
The doors are never left open. He was prone to yelling at kids

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for getting messy, but like, youcan't stop kids from being
messy. His behavior seems a little bit
more erratic when you look at how his interpersonal
relationship with kids. I doubt the children noticed it,
but it was something I noticed in hindsight in his book.
He said the first time that his eldest daughter went for a
sleepover Joseph, made them sleep in separate rooms, which

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is not normally how sleepovers go.
It was almost like he was worried that there was something
inappropriate that would happen between the girls.
Now, later on, he relaxes this restriction and puts up a tent
for the girls in the living room, but like there are other
situations that popped up like apparently like me show would
like get out of the bath wet andlike, you know, chase her cousin

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and he would get like really upset about that.
Like put your clothes on right away.
He didn't like, any of the kids playing inside the house and he
insisted that they played outside in the grass of the
driveway. It's weird.
Because all in all he seems likea decent dab.
A little bit neurotic what he did right by his own kids.
At least some of the best thing I can say about him because
apparently he wasn't the best husband and by 1999 1991, things

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are falling apart between him and share it.
And when I'm researching this right, everybody was makes jokes
about November babies Scorpios with the concept that We were
all born. We were all conceived on
Valentine's Day. So he has one November baby.
He has another child that's bornin September and his third,
child is born in May and some try to figure out and they're

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like years ago part. So I'm wondering how frequent
the love life between Sharon andJoseph was when he was
assaulting women, virtually every weekend.
Sometimes there were hits twice a night and if his kids were
some of them conceived on major like, around major holidays or
events. And here's the thing,
apparently, Sharon told James that they slept Different beds

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and that it very well have may have started when she was
studying for law school because she was getting done with her
studying at like 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning.
So like ripping and couple that virtually probably never really
had a whole lot of sex. And it was probably just for
procreation, and they never wentback to the never slept in the

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same bed. Reminds me of somebody.
Does it it? Do you remember a certain man in
Ohio on Fox Hollow Farm, who never slept with his wife?
Yeah, her but my sister did thattoo.
He pretty much only slept with his wife for procreation
purposes. My heart was closeted gay.

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I don't think in this situation are golden sake.
You know, D'Angelo is. Closeted but I think he's
getting his jollies elsewhere and more enjoyable than the
actual sex is the terror that heis an active across these limit
use. Yeah, no wonder if some of the

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disconnect and Sharon and James relationship has to be the fact
that Sharon's wildly successful and Joseph rocks.
The only thing he'd ever really cared about Maybe we know that
just before he and Sharon separated Sharon's making
National headlines. She's working with the National
Coalition against sir is surrogacy to change the laws

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around surrogacy. I guess, in the past Pete there
wasn't like any like now there'sagencies and contracts.
There weren't really contracts of the past and so people are
just like here's 20 grand, have my baby and people would like
Take the Money and Run. I says huge case that happened
in New Jersey with the over a baby M, as she was called and

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baby, I'm got taken from her mother because my mother wanted
to back out of the surrogacy andNew Jersey was just like know
this family paid you for that baby.
So it was a big deal and this was a huge thing.
There were lots of states that were abolishing Surrogacy as it
was traditionally done and Cat, Sharon was working on it that in
California. Also, the other thing here is

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that Sharon was very devoted to her clients.
The Huddle's were exceptionally proud of Sharon for her work,
but also she was breaking glass ceilings because law was
downright hostile to women, whenSharon, decide to be an attorney
in the 70s, she had endured and succeeded.
So she was just pretty much a stellar lady.

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The to decide to separate. But live in the same house for
the kids around 1991. She wanted her children to have
their father and their life but Sharon confided in her brother
that Joseph was very manipulative and neighbors would
later, tell news, outlets of thecouple had terrible fights like
loud enough that everybody couldhear.
She never really spoke much about life with him.

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But by the 90s, Joseph is working at first, save
supermarkets, as a truck mechanic at the Distribution
Center. He get exceptionally good
health, Share and share them wasworking for this huge nonprofit,
the to kind of had an understanding Joseph gets to say
my wife, the lawyer and Sharon has the peace of mind that if
her or any other girls get horribly sick.
They're going to be taken care of, interestingly enough, even

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when he was arrested sharing never dumped on him, she asked
to be left alone. She didn't file for divorce
until after his conviction as the Golden State killer because
like the smart attorney that sheis Sharon knew that if She filed
before his trial. She could be forced to testify
against him and honestly, she just didn't want to be a part of

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it. The media has still like the
media continue to Hound her so she just decided like I don't
want to be a part of this case and ultimately they didn't need
her they would have called her in and demanded.
She testify but they didn't needher to make the case against
him. Now dial this back about two

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years, three years. Yeah, from 1989, Joseph gets in
a filmmaking, his new passion, he has this good job, giving him
money and benefits. His wife's doing great.
The kids are doing great, he's not spending every waking moment
moment, case in ladies houses torate them.
So he's got time for a new expensive Hobby.

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Of course, because Joseph is Joseph, he believes that his
first film at the gate is going to be a banger.
He makes a short film called into the dark 1989.
When it doesn't do well, he spends three years working on a
feature length. L called monster.
He can't convince the studio to pick it up.

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He can't even get a VHS DVD release.
And well, that's the end of that.
He does get arrested in 1986 fornot paying for gas, but those
charges were dropped and they never typical example, when they
arrested him because this was the beginning of DNA evidence.
And it was a non-violent offenseJoseph, actually sued the gas
station and one, because he wasn't involved in the crime at

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all, but he got pulled into again.
Listen, he knows his rights, right?
And then time passed. He focused on his kids.
I'm being a good friend to people in his life, his
employees, right? Yeah.
He was there for all of his children's, major Milestones, he
began supporting his mother and father-in-law, and their elderly

(01:27:40):
years. It was like, he'd put everything
behind him except for an occasional need to leave a
creepy phone call. He retired from Save Mart
Distribution Center weeks beforehis arrest, his co-workers, and
neighbors loved him and so did his children.
But while Joseph is enjoying thespoils of his wonderful life.

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There are people behind the scenes who have been working on
catching him for decades and he does not get to enjoy his
retirement for too long and thatis where I stop this week's
podcast. When we come back next week
we're going to go heavy into theinvestigative side of things.
The original case reopening the cases and then connecting all
the dots and what it takes to put this guy in prison, and I

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was going to tell you, he is a trip until the end.
Even even when he was in the courtroom during covid, I
believe it to that next week. I believe it's all for me.

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Goodness. Oh goodness, I can't wait, I
can't, wait. I really can't.
I want to hear all about it now,okay.
So this week I have for you. All right.
All right. I'm sorry about.

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Um so a little north of Gettysburg like five minutes
outside of Gettysburg. Oh that's a nice.
There is just a little town is called cashtown really.
Even now do you know who you want to know why it's called
cashtown, that's so interesting.Now they only accept cash.

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Yeah, I think it's just the the place we're talking about that
only accepts cash but that's oh,wow.
Look at the map and like where it is.
It's so tiny. Yeah it's it's the God, it's

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like a step. Yeah, you can drive right
through it. G.
You know the names of nine of them?
Yes, I know about I think not isa nice.

(01:30:24):
I think I don't know nine. Yes.
Goodness. Yeah, it's a Tiny Town.
Like you go, you could drive right by it and just think
you're in Gettysburg and I even believe that I.
But anyway, I'm lucky. In the center of, I'm guessing

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is the center cashtown. Um, there is a hotel.
So, is this like a ask you to talk about this cool, you know,
someone who lives right next door and their pictures out.
Yes. He is, I don't know.

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I don't like Gettysburg it really is.
They're everywhere Park right next to it.
Before I go down there, it's just so much.
Like there's see this is exactly.
Is this is the closest? I will get to talk here about
Gettysburg and less Mmm. Yeah, unless we do like some

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type of like, I don't know, somefilming thing and do like, you
know what I mean. There might be like a ghost
rolling down there. People keep doing that's as
close as I get to talking. Gotta like, oh, fluff, up the
energy, but of what happened? Like, Look, so apparently

(01:31:56):
they're re-enactors that March down that street in front of the
cashtown Inn. Like the mark shows to get you
know, the Gettysburg Battlefieldvery intense.

(01:32:17):
Okay. Oh goodness, gracious, not
surprised. So, yeah, that's what I'm
talking to. You have a friend Fran
experience, haunt and it's apparently haunted.
Nice, and yeah. And apparently, yeah, she's

(01:32:38):
such, there's a little, there's a little kid that You see these
walking down, not only her, but a lot of people who I don't like
that, but I haven't seen them yet.
But she has like another child is, but she seems to be but yes
he just she sees them like I think she's like a small child,

(01:33:01):
she's just really Gill and I'm going in the basement.
Yes, especially because like thelines of, yes, look, as modern
Time Has Come, they've chopped up this land.

(01:33:21):
You know what I mean? Like, the same thing happened
with, with Herb Baumeister, likehe bought like what 18 acres and
like, half of that has been soldoff now.
So, you like a farm and other places still like, How much was
the cat? Like, you know, I'm like you
look at like with the cash tenant cute little house but
like how much of the area aroundthat was also originally part of

(01:33:43):
it. Yeah.
Okay? So found out what you're able to
do. That was part of it because I've
seen pictures and it was just the cashtown Inn in the Rogue.
Just straight up, dirt road, side of this has nothing to do

(01:34:05):
with anything and I'm sure your friend will listen to what store
across the street. I just want to know Let Brian
know so I can now because I was raised in a city of like a hot
million and a half. The she'll tell me it's so I

(01:34:26):
don't understand why anybody would want to live somewhere
where you can actually know everyone in town, sounds awful.
I mean, Where I Live Now is the smallest town.
I ever. I wouldn't I don't know.
For me like a small town, actually, spit some tantric.

(01:34:47):
That's probably the smallest. I'm just because I don't really
sit and that's not cat. That's just in town.
If you count the surrounding areas like the prettiest, like I
need to see the light in the city.
They think it's like 15, but if you count the surrounding areas
because it's kind of smushed as well.
Stay in the area you live in. I don't think I could go to

(01:35:10):
Jessica crowded. Okay so this building I got this
built in 1790 97 it is right whatever.

(01:35:37):
Yeah so there So they had one Innkeeper.
His name was Peter Micah Mark ifit was that

(01:36:12):
yes. Oh my God.
But yeah, he's the one that coined it to be invisible again.
Cash only, which has fallen asleep that everything you've
cashed out Kevin at that meant they were accepting, like,
silver, these cash? We just take cash here.
Oh, it was good. I mean paper money so we

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definitely didn't. He want that southern money?
Them. That can then be Confederate
dollars. Don't count for nothing up here.
I know he did. Actually never mind the federal

(01:37:08):
dollars. Do count, Kesha Min was actually
used for by Confederate soldiers.
Like, mainly interesting. Yeah, he's like, they're like,
yeah, give me that Confederate. Funny that your money is good.
Here, please bring it here. Oh yeah, like a lot of

(01:37:28):
Confederate soldiers officers, they stayed here at that job,
man. Hey man, we don't support tree.
And like a lot of famous Confederate name's Boba because
my competitors here for the Confederacy, it's mainly because

(01:37:49):
they it like the hotel if set, it's it's wrong, it's it's but
it's set directly on the supply pipeline between Virginia and
Gettysburg. So that's basically like that
was like they're, they're stopping point right there for
the Confederate soldiers. Um, know the seller in dust in

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it had, you know, different different things amenities for
confederate. Guess they had be using Springs
brick ovens if they wanted to like make bread.
And it's like, it was, it was also used as a field hospital
for soldiers who had wounds or who were dying out there as

(01:38:40):
well. There's a little note.
This is Laura, suggest that so many limbs were amputated.
That the pile eclipse, the seller Windows preventing
sunlight. Yeah.

(01:39:02):
Yeah, well yeah, it's it has a very, very rich, has a rich
history just like you had it. There are a lot of people that
have seen her, also, in 1993, there's a, I don't know, there's
a movie Gettysburg, There's a movie is called Gettysburg and a

(01:39:25):
lot of the actors stayed at thishotel, too.
It's just it's just, you know, your little side note looks like
a lot of famous. Something many people stayed
there. Hey, And also I read that, okay?
It was featured in Ghost Hunters.

(01:39:48):
That Ghost Adventures Ghost Hunters.
So G. It is just is, just like the
guys who, you know, who are risking their, they just okay,
notice some things moving aroundand they caught some voices on
the recording devices as well. Yeah, so there are there are a

(01:40:15):
lot of ghost sightings are therea lot of?
Yeah, I came across when accidentally while I was just
looking at pictures a little bit.
Sir. I know window.
The middle window? Just a face in the middle
window. Yeah.
I don't like I don't like that but if you do, you guys have one
with the guy upstairs in the window just looking down.

(01:40:39):
Yes, yes. Oh okay, I'm here for it.
Okay so I have a you know, sinceit's a hotel people read reviews
about hotels I know, um, you andit's a, it's a, it's titled

(01:41:03):
lovely in it really haunted and it's a five star review and it
goes, I am my husband stayed. He's their vacation, we had
taken a lot of peculiar picturesinside and out of this lovely in
had a fantastic dinner there. Okay, first night, spent their
Hertford steps, how in the hallway late at night from the

(01:41:26):
That soldier who walks the Hallssecond night second night.
Heard the footsteps. Again, they approached the door
to our room and stopped and thena light knocking at the door.
My husband and I were Sam and Anita vitamin knocking knocking.

(01:41:47):
They heard footsteps inside our room.
Listen, vampire rules do not apply a know.
They say he's, I guess he's trying to be polite but he's
like not see ghosts know Oh was the footsteps stopped?

(01:42:10):
At the foot of our bed. Something began to lightly poke
that mattress up and down, alongwith a light shaking of the
mattress. I'm I, yeah.
I and my husband were not doing this.
We were laying perfectly still in a mattress, then the mattress

(01:42:31):
began to Ripple. When you like when you drop a
pedal, a pebble in a Then I began to feel someone lightly
touched me on the shoulder and it was not my husband.
We were not disappointed on the in dinner room nor haunting
highly recommend this in PS. The pictures we took inside and

(01:42:55):
in our room showed, several orbsand spirit seeing to Civil War
July 1st, through 3rd. But yeah, that's it like you

(01:43:17):
said, just knocking and just letyourself in and then jumped on
the bed and everything. Click.
No, this is my room. You guys are staying in my room.
However, they were doing was jumping on the bed.
Yes. Why it was wobbling.
He's focused. I don't know what the Poke the
bear was about. Oh no, we're not gonna talk

(01:43:41):
about that. He was trying to do this this.
So can I help you guys out to the oh my God.

(01:44:04):
But yeah, I'm multiple multiple guests have reported coming back
to the rooms to find out. Their suitcases have been packed
and their television. I think it's a long turn it on
and off and it will get out in the night.
The stampeding sounds of army horses.
And only after that is done. Don't worry about like dogs.

(01:44:33):
Get out. Get out my room now.
Since the owners themselves havewitnessed shadowy apparitions.
Disappear. Right from in front of their
eyes. Now, like there it states on

(01:45:00):
here that the like there's a lotof like ghost tours but the
cashtown like there goes a lot of course is Gettysburg but like
there are a lot of ghost tours in Gettysburg but the cashtown
Inn isn't in the Gettysburg. Ghost tour route.
So if you guys want to Ghost tour.
That's not in Gettysburg. Cashtown Inn go there cuz

(01:45:25):
Especially was a July 1st with somebody walking up and down the
hall. Let me know what happens because
I mean, I don't like that. Oh my God.
That's all I'm saying. Like don't disturb my rest.
That's I don't like it. There's like multiple pictures

(01:45:53):
of that like, horrible face. No.
Thank you. Please don't come in here and
bug me like what you call it? Just thank you.
It's the words for what it really is.

(01:46:15):
Yeah it is. It's like it's like an an
ultrasound photo. You know what I mean?
Like a baby and it's just yeah. Now, when I look at TripAdvisor
and but yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of activity there,
if you're staying there and you probably won't be disappointed.

(01:46:38):
Now, that one you at all? That's reset 2005.
Very cool. Yeah, check him out.
It's it's Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Because I mean, you travel for work so you're everywhere.

(01:47:00):
It's another child. Oh yeah, I haven't been to any
other old houses that were builtaround that time so and And she,
I think she said her house is old as hell too.

(01:47:21):
So I'm pretty sure that little boy, but a little child, that
the people manage to make yourself or is being a part of
being kind of commercial 2020 hotel.
In this is a very small looking place that can't have that many
rooms, you know, so they need that money.

(01:47:45):
Okay well it's a so that's good that they made it.
Yeah it's not only and I think it's a general store to is there
is a story so you know other things.
Yeah. So Your quest to talk about all
of haunted. Pennsylvania.
Oh that's that's basically that's all we got.

(01:48:10):
Listen, if you want to be complete I am working on it.
Like you eventually it all covering.
I'm not touching Gettysburg everywhere else.
Thanks so much for listening. We hope you had a good lesson
this week with us and we will finish Next week conversation

(01:48:30):
about the horrors of Joseph James.
D'Angelo thanks for all the people who are constantly asking
me when the next podcast would be.
You don't understand, but it does make us feel like it's
important to you. If you ask when we're gone, you
know what I mean? Like, you care that we weren't
here. And thank you so much for losing

(01:48:55):
it. Really does.
Yes, we love it. We love it here.

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