Joseph James Deangelo Part II: Catching a killer

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Hey everybody. It's your killer country.
My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian jr.
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A story about Cryptids or the creepy side of life and we just
want to say thank you so much for listening to us this week.
It has been Great week. It was so amazing to see
everybody. So hype, I was watching the
stats and just was very excited.People were very hyped to see us
come back from our little hiatushiatus.

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There we go. I'm glad to hear it.
And so this week in True Crime is not, it's not good but it's
good. Okay.
Okay. Alright, so here's the headline
that had me screaming this week.R Kelly has been found guilty of
sexually abusing and urinating on a 14 year old girl and an

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Infamous tape. He also has been found guilty
this week of other instances of child, sexual assault and child
pornography. And the reason why this was so
poignant for me, right? Is because I was like a teen
girl, when that tape came out and everybody Justified watching
it and everybody just has no, noshe looks grown blah blah blah.

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But like, finally, finally, finally now, because the reason
why he's in prison now is because of the adult women who
he pretty much like kidnapped, right?
And and forced to do whatever hewanted and live with him and
those girls were all they all met him when they were underage

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and they were trying to be singers, you know.
That was that colt can tell he'sfrom it wasn't right, surviving
R.Kelly, rosic was I called ya surviving are Kelly was the The
movie I think in my lifetime type movie that came out the
deck, but you serious? Yeah, in Chicago.
It's official. Now y'all can stop saying that
these were adult women because he has now been proven that he

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has been messing with children. We already knew that because
Alia was 15 years old when they got married a quotation marks,
you know, but I'm like, here we go.
It was more than just a Lea. It was more than just that 14
year old girl. This was something that him and
his Roadies He and his buddies have been doing for years, which
makes sense because sexual predators who go after children.

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Don't stop if they don't have a reason to it's a compulsion.
Okay. This is who he is.
Your faves going to jail for therest of his life.
He's never coming out. Yay, and that's that.
It's done. It's not, I just it just it was
in my spirit. I was like when I saw that
earlier this week, I was just soexcited.
I should say finally. Now, we have alongside all of

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the people's testimony and alongside what a lot of people
have been saying for many, many years.
Yes, it's we have the court. Also on our side, it's good.
I'm glad to see it. I'm happy to see it in here now,
apparently the jury also acquitted Kelly's former
business manager. Darrell McDavid of conspiring to
obstruct justice. So I'm not exactly excited about

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that but because his the people in his Circle new, I'm willing
honestly I get kind of creeped out when I see like people like
looking at his ex-wife and like her thirst traps on like Tick
Tock because I'm like I she saidshe had to have known.
It was too much in his regular life.
Oh yeah a lot of people had known this was going on right.

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And so I'm wondering if we're going to get more information
about that if he's going to try and make some deals rat some
people out because you know, pleading for my life.
Yeah. You know, drain the swamp.
I want to know what people in hip-hop and R&B knew what you
were doing and who joined in. Yeah, three of the six counts.

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He was convicted for Last week, carry a minimum 10 years in
prison. So we're talking about at least
another 10 to 30 years added to his sentence.
I mean and then like they found that there were images from
these like sex type party thingson the road and some of the

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people who were there were underage.
So this was them making and sharing child images.
Us Attorney. John are lost.
Junior said that prosecutors respect the jury's decision to
find Kelly's co-defendants. Not guilty on several counts but

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emphasized that he is finally still being held accountable for
sexually. Abusing young girls.
The issue was it. He said that, it certain aspects
of the charges and the trial made it difficult to obtain
evidence convictions for all thecharged people, but it is clear
that justice has been served by the guilty verdicts returned
today. This it is, this is just, it's a

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reckoning, it's finally. So goodness, now we can actually
positively say, if you support our Kelly, you are supporting
somebody who was making music about actually harming children
and I don't think you could callyourself an ally to children.

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If you still listen to that music.
Because as far as I'm concerned,I don't want to hear somebody
thinking about bumping and grinding with children creepy,
everything's ruined. It's all ruined.
Yes, that's how I feel. It's completely ruined goodness.
Okay. That was, that was like, I said,

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it's bad. But it's good.
Yeah, yeah, it's great, it's fantastic.
But yes, it's so bad. Yeah.
Okay. Well this week or I have for you
this this might sound a little familiar because I'm pretty sure
you've covered a case about thistype of person.
Okay so in Texas and in Assisi and anesthesiologist has been

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arrested on allegations of purposely tampering IV bags.
Oh I heard about this guy. Okay now though, doesn't he
sound familiar to somebody else?We talked about The Charles
Collins actually, oh, Philip DeFranco was talking about this
on his new show and I commented and I was like he's given me

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Charles Cullen Vibes as was active in PA in New Jersey.
Like I wrote that, I was like inthe comments as like everybody
who had a anything complication and he was your
anesthesiologist, you need to have them look into that.
Yes, I read it as ever. I read the title.
I was like, oh, wait a second. We'll call it.

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Yes. Okay, so this guy's name is
fernald over ver Ortiz Junior and he's being charged for
allegedly ejecting nerve blocking agents and Other Drugs
into patients. I've he's leading us.
Yeah, you got more details than I heard from when it first
happened. Yeah.
Because there was one lady who was just like she took an IV bag

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home for like fluid. I guess it was like someone who
worked there. Yeah.
Like freaked out. Like had a cardiac moment and
home. Yep.
Yep. That happened in also, one of
his co-workers died at the surgical center.

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Why - yes? So, A co-worker was having a
surgery there and got one of thetainted bags.
Yep, that's from getting, from this, anything, with these
people is like some of them are like just straight up evil but
some of them are like they just want to be a hero.
And so they want to be there when you code and then be the
person to bring you back and sometimes they fail because they

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maybe they make it too strong orwhatever.
But, yeah, you know, they don't have the exact science down, all
right. Yeah.
But his coworker, she was a 55 year old woman and she died
immediately after using an IV bag taken from the surgical
center. Yeah.
And, you know, they The opsahl top C, of course, and if I

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don't, she died from a lethal dose of a nerve blocking agent,
often used during the administration of anesthesia.
And yeah, I do they need that. I just I'm just kind of like
it's just a science thing. I'll ask my roommate worked in

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nursing for interests. Adam.
I guess nerve, like only put youunder they want you to like,
definitely not feel anything while Under.
So you don't wake up from the, the painter, shocking stuff.
I tell you it. Like when I had surgery was so
I've never went out so fast, so I don't know what they do, but
it was like seconds. And then I was being like shook,

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wait, pretty much. Oh, damn.
It's because they had to lift mefrom the operating table to put
me on the bed. And that's like, why are y'all
Jocelyn? So it did not feel good.

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Yeah, that's what I was complaining about.
Yeah. Surgery scary though.
And honestly, it's just frightening that, you know, we
have these people within our Community, who are playing real
Cavalier with people's lives because they want to be there
when the person gets revived. I saw a pair, a family talk

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about how their son was like healthy like 100% healthy.
This was like a routine like surgery, right?
And then like an hour later, thedoctors like so there's a 50/50
chance your kid's gonna die. What the fuck?
And they were like, wait, excuseme, how did this happen?
Yeah, I don't even know if the kids survived but I think he

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might have but still that's so scary.
Yeah. Okay, so there's just there's
nothing more oh no. So okay, so the way T, way to
like fighting it out, you know how, who knew that it was him.
Yeah so workers at the surgical center they were able to single
out like 10 additional instancesof like where patients

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experience like cardiac stuff inlike good on them for Gang
because Pennsylvania was not give you remember how
Pennsylvania was like, man? This is really weird.
This keeps happening. Yeah, this is really nice is no.
Oh my God, it'll good on you taxes.
Yeah. And it's just like, like you
said, with a little boy, is justlike, when they were going in

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for surgeries, it was just like,not big surgery.
So why the heck would he have cardiac problems at this point.
So they surveillance videos, yeah, they had.
There it is. Village videos on several
different occasions of Ortiz, doing this to the IV bags and

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tampering with them. It says, in one instance, where
cheese was captured placing in asingle IV bag inside of a
stainless steel bag, warmer scanning, a hallway, and a click
quickly walking away in just onehour later.
He 56 year-old woman suffered, acardiac emergency during a

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cosmetic surgery. After the egg after bag from the
warmer was used during her procedures her procedure.
But yeah, they like there's so many they have so many other
instances of like this happeningand like they have them on
camera and stuff. It's just like, wow, dude.
And that's why I because like and some of the other cases that

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I've looked at here we're talking about I mean what was
her name Jane to pod? That was like, literally like
the 1700s there was you know, and they still figure it out
after a while. While, but like No cameras,
Charles Cullen. The 90s there aren't really
standardized cameras all over every hospital 2022 though.

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Every inch of a hospital is covered in a camera because
there's other situations people have mental health breaks, you
know? And Patients run away.
They do it because sometimes people try and steal kids like
how you thought you were going to get away with that now is
absolutely crazy. Yeah, he says that his

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co-workers at the center SurgeryCenter or trying to crucify him.
Well when I heard they he just like they like brought him in
and then he just like walk out. So do they act how they properly
detained him now? Yeah, he's the first couple
days. They didn't detain and they were
like, just don't do anything, right?

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I know he's being charged. If you're convicted him, he says
he faces a maximum sentence of life in prison, of course.
Well, depends on how many peopledied.
Yeah. I don't know.
They got 10, but life is generally like like 56 5 to 30
years. It's a president and president
term. Yeah.

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So he gets life for each of them.
That's real. Real life.
Yeah. But yeah, it's funny thing is,
of course, you know this. But he went on vacation at one
point and guess what happened. Nobody got to say, nobody got
hurt. No, any cardiac, and we're just,
he's nothing like that. And then when he comes back,
I'll do it. All starts up again.
Isn't that a coincidence? Yeah, but yeah.

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That's um, that's my God. Yeah, that's that.
Well, last week, I did my best to cover Joseph James.
D'Angelo's Life as a killer and a father and how the two kind of
intertwined. But this week, we're going to
discuss me like the investigation and what it took
to put them in prison and there is going to be some mention of

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some of the cases, like a littlebit of an overlap but because
they had some significance to moments in the investigation so
they'll be bringing them up again.
Now as far as the cellular ransack, ER case it starts in
about 1974 and like we spoke about last week these are really
bizarre. Burglaries, he said Hitting over

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120 homes in a year and a half, but a year and a half two years,
they started. Very aggressively.
And then they abruptly stopped, December 1975, and the East
area. Rapist begins.
Six months later and Sacramento,they really wasn't much.

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They did with the saw your aunt soccer because he was an
annoyance, it was weird, you know, ripping up people's stuff
breaking, you know, just destroying the house and then
leaving it was. These were annoyances people had
to clean up when he left but he Never saw anything of value.
So there wasn't a whole lot, they could do other than, you

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know, try and pop people around and hope to see catch him, you
know. But with things starting in
Sacramento, that's a whole different monster for the media
and the civilians, it definitelyseems like there's no connection
between the two but there are definite similarities like the
ransacked her was strange and terrifying you know those four

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or five robberies and night one time even broken at 12.
Different houses in one evening and it was the same for
residential areas. He was still peoples wedding
rings and now I see that and they're like sentimental items.
A wedding ring is a physical, that's money.
Some people's weddings rings arevery expensive, but they always

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work those at sentimental items.What's weird?
Is the photographs of women? And for some reason he always
finds and uses hand lotion and Ithink you probably understand
why when he found pictures of women with their children or
their husbands, he'd rip them up.
And I think that's a break in the fantasy for him.
If he found some, like, he didn't like, like close, he'd

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like Port Orange Juice onto it. As a point out how he hadn't
liked, Rob them of their important valuables, he'd stack
them on the bed. It's creepy.
So yeah, people like come home and like they just see like a

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safe on the bed. Yeah.
A stack of money on their bed and the rest of the house is
ransacked him go, I could have robbed you blind but I did just
some property theft stealing a piggy bank, some Blue Chip
Stamps, one earring out of asset.
He would unplug people's electronics and radios.

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Just being annoying but the investigators do pick up very
early on that. There's a sexual element to the
ransack. Your cases, probably not,
something people who aren't intoTrue Crime.
Would understand, especially notback when it was just getting
coverage. But as we talked about last
week, he always went through thewomen's underwear and he never
stole any of them, but he planted them around the house

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and one time he put a woman's underwear and her baby's crib,
another time he took the man's underwear and he plays Stem in a
straight line, going from the master bedroom, down the hallway
to a bathroom. And he always found Lube or
lotions or things that could be used for masturbation and it

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seems like he was using it but he never left any DNA behind.
So I'll let you decide what you want to do with that
information. I don't know what I want to do
that information. It was destructive but not the
worst thing that was happening in the world.
Of the time. But like most of these cases, we
cover. It's only a matter of time until
things escalate. And that escalation happens with

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clots nailing, the journalism professor at the College of
Sequoias that was September 11 1975.
When he grabs claude's teenage daughter out of her bedroom at 2
a.m. And from what she said, he just
put his hand over her mouth and put a knife to her neck and
said, you're coming with me. Don't scream or I'll stab you.

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And as he's dragging her out of the house she struggling, Sam.
He pulls out a gun and he's like, don't scream or I'll shoot
you and this time she complies and walked out the back door of
her home. But her father hears, the
commotion and he bolts out of bed.
He runs onto the porch and he's just like, what are you doing?
Where are you taking my daughter?
And Joseph shoots. Claude the first bullet hits him

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Square in the chest and it spinshim around and the second bullet
hits. His left side going through his
arm into his heart and both of his lungs.
He is wife is able to help him stumble into the house as she
calls 911. But within minutes, he is dead
Joseph in his great moment of smartness.

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Tosses the teen girl to the ground kicks her in the face
three times and then runs off. She describes it to the police
as a white man. Five-foot-ten Angry Eyes, the
handgun. He uses in the situation is a
miroku. 38 had been stolen from a ransacked property that was
hit 10 days earlier and when thepolice pull, all the calls

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around the house, Claude Snelling had reported a man
looking into the windows of his house.
A man looking at his daughter before the Back and that night.
Claude had chased the man away from his house but in the
darkness. So Joseph had been case in this
house but not do what? A good job I did.
I guess he just decided Well I can't break in and and and rape

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her. So I'm a stealer With that, the
police are on high alert. Every cop is out the following
evening. They spent time looking at one
house that was on West squeak Avenue because it had been hit
three separate times by the Ramsoccur on December 10th.
Detective Bill McGowan was at this house when it's when they

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ransacked her shows up again to do a fourth hit.
Now, he's surprised but like Joseph is surprised, but he
quickly jumped over the fence atthe detective follows him.
And when McGowan fires a warningshot, he puts his hands up and
in a very high pitch, voice is like, oh my God, don't hurt me.

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See, my hands are up, but the problem was one hand was up, and
it was the dark. And with his other hand, he
pulls his gun out and shoot to the detective.
He doesn't actually hit the detective, he hits the
detectives. Flashlight and the flashlight
kind of explodes into like LightGlass and plastic and kind of

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hits him in the face. And so, for a moment, he's kind
of temporarily blinded me like stumbles and falls down.
And this of course gives Joseph.The chance to get away.
But just the the audacity right to go back to a house.
You've already burglarized threetimes just to keep messing with
these people. It's like that when you were
talking about it last week when he was still making phone calls.

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Oh yeah. They actually there's way more
phone calls on the police side, but we're going to talk about
that soon to. So, on January, 9th 1976 is
Salia police take a trip to ParkCenter, which is the LAPD
headquarters in Downtown LA, they were very much.
Like why haven't we found this guy?
We have literally all these copson this.

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This is weird. So the LAPD is like how about
this? We're going to put Bill McGowan
under hypnosis. See if he can remember anything
else because they're like, as far as they're concerned, he's
the only person who really outside of cloths, tailings,
daughter to see Joseph and live to tell, you know, to see him

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and lived to tell the tale. So I think they don't want to
put the teen victim through. This again, because she's
literally had to watch her father died.
Now, under hypnosis McGowan tells the police that he had a
baby face. It was round and soft looking no
hair on his face at all and thatwas very consistent with reports
of the people who saw someone looking in their window, the

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police actually are like does heever go outside?
Because he's so pale like he can't be a native to the Salia
because people from this region are outside and we have the Tans
to prove that So the police go back over the hundreds and
hundreds of power. Prowler and peeping.
Tom calls from girls and young women that go back to 1973.

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If you remember from last week 73 is when he graduated from
college. So he started this.
As soon as he no longer had to deal with studying for school.
The police contact every eyewitness, show everybody the
sketch and they do get some new details.
But the problem here is and if you look at the sketches, I know

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you're not Brian. But if someone's listening and
you just pull up, Joseph James, D'Angelo's Wikipedia page,
you're going to see like nine different sketches and the first
one doesn't look like him. And all I can think in this
situation is that he's chubby right now.
He had maybe he hasn't been working out as much because it

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does look like a chunky version of Joseph DeAngelo.
Also an interesting detail here,right?
The high pitch voice because we know later on.
In the East area rapist case. He's talking in a deep voice,
kind of through his teeth like that.
So it's interesting with the police, believe happened with

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this is that sometimes, women would hear two voices and that
he was trying to make it seem like this was a group thing at
this was like a team or from. So, and so that's why he had to
voice. I get there.
So if he gets caught you can be like, no, no, it was the other
guy. Who's the main guy?
It's not just me. Yeah.

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He's putting everything now. It's Sacramento begins dealing
with the easier rapist. The solute, PD do send
information to them about the fact that their attacks kind of
seem similar the trashing. The house, the was stealing
worthless Trinkets and personal jewelry that can't be sold.
And that similar tools are beingused, but, of course, because

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burglarizing and raping or two very different crimes that
generally have different pathologies, it's overlooked at
this time. I'm in history.
Sacramento's. Like there's just too many
differences. We're getting shoe Impressions
here, your guy never left any evidence.
We're getting evidence, this, he's making mistakes, but like I

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think this situation with that composite sketch, that the
ransack her picture is him at a higher weight and the, the
sketches that come out of the East area.
Rapist, he look slender, I thinkthat was also a big detail and
I'm like that throws me for a loop because Generally attackers
will change their hair color, maybe they were glasses, maybe

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they were a hat, you can get away with it if you just lose
weight. Of course, if you're very thin
already, I suppose you have to add yes, or grow a beard or
something. Well, so 1978 in July the salyut
PD, tell the press that they believe that the easier rapist
and of a sawyer ransack are the same guy and the Sacramento

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Sheriff's are pissed off. They released their own
statement saying that they are disappointed in the newspaper
and the other police department and say that the other de Police
Department is just desperate even now, there's still
disagreements on whether they were the same people.
I mean, by the name of Ken ClarkSacramento's lead, Investigator
in the more recent cases, believe they were the same and

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so do the FBI. But the lead investigator in
Contra, Costa County did not Now, these attacks as the Easter
rapist begin on June 18 1976, it's Friday night and Rancho
Cordova at 4:00 a.m. is victims,23 years old, and she just moved
back into her dad's house on 26 hundred block of paseo Drive.

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They've been Sivan. Receiving strange calls for
weeks, and she definitely felt really uncomfortable and she
wanted to believe. They were a prank.
Like the police said. The night of the attack, her dad
was out of town and she was all alone.
She woke up at 4 a.m. and her light was on.
And a man was sitting in the doorway with the ski mask on
tapping. The door frame with a knife, he

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had no pants on. She told the police later, he
had a very slim athletic build he yank her bedding off of her.
And was like, if you make a moveor sound, I'll stick this knife
into you. I want to fuck you.
Take it off. Direct quote.
Yep. Unlike the soft, high-pitched
voice. We get and we saw you, this is
horse. And speaking through clenched

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teeth, he tied her up assaulted her and when it was done, he
asked, if she had any money whenshe tried to reply like that,
she didn't he yelled her. Shut up, he gagged her.
He went hunting through the house and at one point she
thought she heard two people talking and then there was
silence. She wriggles out of her.
Shoe strings that he has tied her up with and calls the

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police. The police treat this like a
sexual assault case that she's alert and she's able to tell
them the knife is about three orfour inches long.
She told him the mass seemed homemade from some strange white
like course material. He wore gloves the entire time.
The police found a balled up towel with baby oil Assuming

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that he prepared himself, so that when he woke her up, he was
erect and she would see him. He had used a special tool to
slip a deadlock, so he didn't have to force it open.
And when they finished processing the scene, they
discovered that he stole $15 andtwo packs of Winston cigarettes.

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The police are like, well, the reason why he's there is the
rape not the stealing. So they collect everything in
the house that they can, that they think, I have his DNA on it
to catalogue, it's going to be years before we have workable
DNA evidence, but they keep it anyway.
After the attack Joseph calls her six times, he mainly calling

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breathing, and then, hanging up and eventually his victim gets
some peace. They seem to stop and then a
year later coincidentally, when her rape kit analysis came back
and they determined that he has a rare.
It's not an it. Illness.
It's just like a rare quality. I don't know if people know

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this, but generally your DNA andall forms can also.
I think tell you're like specifically for men, your semen
can tell your blood type. His didn't.
And there's been another serial killer that also had the same
condition, which is kind of odd,but this is a problem because
now that they can't get his, they can't get his blood type

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from it. Blood type can eliminate a bunch
of people potentially as potential rapists, so.
But the last time that Joseph calls, her is almost a year
later in December. And he says, Merry Christmas.
It's me again. So gross.
Oh, that's so gross. Yeah, the first word rapes were

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handled with care. The police did the due
diligence, but essentially Joseph knew what they were
looking for. So, he specifically moved in a
way and didn't leave much of anyphysical evidence behind.
However, the fifth rape was a woman named Jane Carson and it
was a pivotal moment. In this case, I didn't expand on
this because I do want to give Jane's case some some extra
time. So Jane Carson is a 30 year, old

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nursing student. When she's attacked on October
5th, 1976. She's Her three-year-old son and
her husband just leaves for work.
It's like 6:30 in the morning her and the baby just laying
together, you know, doing cute, baby things and Jane hears a
door open and she assumes, it's probably her husband, maybe he
met forgot, something ran back. And she just here's kind of the,

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you know, bump up of someone walking in the house.
It's Joseph and he blinds her with a flashlight and he has a
butcher knife He immediately cuts her with the blade on her
chest and he's like, if you say anything I'll kill you, I just
want money. So he gags and ties up both Jane
and her toddler, and then goes about the house.

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Just Russell and everything looking for everything.
Eventually he comes back and he unties just her legs.
Now he during this like moment where he kept going around the
house, he kept coming back like he would move things and she be
here stuff, and then he would come back in the room and check
on her at one point. During one of those checks, she

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kind of feels for her son and he's not there.
And so she's freaking out. And so even though she realizes
that, it looks like he might have, he's going to assault her,
she just got care Doll. She said she told the police.
She was more focused on the factthat she didn't know where her
baby was, of course and she couldn't hear it.

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He spent the entire assault taunting her.
While she's upset about the baby.
Not letting her know that her son is just on the floor next to
the bed. She told the police like I said,
she she was just so focused on that but the assault goes on for
two hours. Eventually he leaves?
She tears off her bindings and sees that her son is safe and

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picks up her son and runs next door to the police.
An officer arrives at her home, who will become important to
this case in a lot of different ways.
And her name is Carol daily. Carol Daly was one of the first
women detectives in Sacramento, and she was invaluable in this
case, against the East are area rapist.

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Now, Carol originally worked as a secretary for the County
coroner in 1968, and then, untilher husband showed her a job
listing because the county was desperate for women, deputies,
and back in the 60s, being a woman in the police department
was kind of its own classification, and they had a
separate testing process. It was all very weird, but she's
just like, listen, I'm going. You do it because you know, if I

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fail then I nothing's bad happens.
But if I pass, I get a hundred percent pay raise.
Only 35 women even responded to the job posting.
Twelve of them passed and six were hired to join the two women
who are already working for the Sacramento.
Police Department Carol's one ofthose six and when I talk about

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this is like the arrow where lady cops were skirt still and
kept guns in their persons and actually carried purses to
primelink. Yes, the police have eight women
working for them but they don't exactly know what to do with
them because generally male, deputies do stints working in
prison or they do sir. Controls until they're ready to

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move up Carol. Does everything asked if her and
slowly? She starts moving up in the
department, she's very focused, she earns respect of a lot of
people. And her life changed in 1976
when she's the one, who respondsto Jane Carson.
The police realized that they have a Serial predator and by

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the seventh and eighth, rape, they realized they need to make
a task force. And they're like, well, Carol
has to be a part of this task force.
She's the only woman, but so farCarol's talk to all of the rape
victims. And they're comfortable talking
to her. She was a natural interviewing
people putting them at ease and it becomes a thing.
Where whenever a new call comes in the patrolling deputies, who

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respond to the rape call, Carol she comes to the scene and she
takes the women to the hospital herself for their exam.
She interviews them during the long periods of time waiting in
the hospital and this might seemcallous to some people.
But getting those details when they're fresh and the person's
mind is vital. And ultimately Carol Interview
36 of the East area. Rapist victims that happen in

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her jurisdiction. The others happen outside of the
Sacramento County. There was a situation where
there was a woman who kept kind of bad going back and forth
between crying and laughing until Carol came in the room and
then she was like, let's talk. They knew that she would be

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there too. She was there to listen.
And these interviews are really difficult because some of these
women have husbands. So now you have to ask really
delicate questions like one's the last time you had sex with
your husband. Did you do any sort of douching
or cleaning between then and thetime that this person assaulted

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you? How did he touch?
You there very hard questions toanswer. but through these long
interviews, they establish his MO And Carol worked on this
case, almost exclusively for twoyears.
But she says she thought about it for 42 and kept in contact
with many of the victims. And when they caught D'Angelo,

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the police called her first and she said, don't let them learn
about it. In the news, we got a call them
ourselves and he went, all right, you start making calls.
She was the first person to become undersheriff, in
Sacramento before she retired in2001 and her work on the East
area, rapist task force. In standardizing rape kits
across the state. She informed Trauma Centers and

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hospitals of the kind of evidence that was need to
collect that would actually helpget convictions.
She's also the first person to realize that the EC a rapist is
calling people before they are attacking and afterward.
This gives a multi-layered understanding of the kind of
Predator. He is, he's getting off to

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scaring people and like he done with the for prior victims.
J and Carson was called many times beforehand.
She even told the police that the Phantom caller had
threatened to kill her husband, but they said these have to be
prank calls in reality. Joseph is causing calling the
figure out when the people who live there are home.

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And when he leaves the next rapehappens, four days later, this
is the first time that the newspapers used the term serial
rapist, and it begins the panic in Rancho, Cordova the
Sacramento County. Police create a task force, led
by lieutenant re-root and rate apps, Carol, immediately.
She's the only one who can get these people to talk the task

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force stations dozens of officers around Rancho Cordova.
So that if a rape is called in, they can get there within
minutes. Ten days, later on October 18th,
there's a rape in the a.m. and that afternoon the police
publicly announced that they aresearching for officially titled,
the East area. Rapist and offering a 25-hundred

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dollar reward for information tohis capture that night almost
despite them, he attacks anotherwoman in the neighborhood.
There were even stationed a block away from the woman's
house. They do not catch him, they
don't even get wind of him. It's like he is poofing in the
air when he's finished. Now the next Moment In the case

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comes November 10th 1976 at about 7:30 p.m.
There's a teenage girl and she'sin the house alone for about 15
minutes. When Joe break, said she was
waiting for her boyfriend to pick her up and her parents had
just left Joe drags her out of the house and into the canals
back behind her home ties her upand then goes back to the house

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and stages it to look. Like she left on her own.
Like, he didn't break in, he hasnever done this before.
And they're worried, is this a sign that he's escalating
becoming more sophisticated? The task force is like, well,
we're definitely not dealing with your garden-variety rapist.
He has shown serious levels of premeditation on one side.

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But on the other he's completelyReckless people.
In the community have seen him running away.
So the task force creates a broad profile.
They think he graduated from high school in the late 60s,
early 70s, he has ties to the military and may have ties to
the police. That he either was a cop or
wants to be one. And this profile is 100%
accurate. We know that from last week but

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the only problem is there's virtually two generations of men
who were in the military, okay, World War Two but there's a
whole generation of young guys who had just been in Vietnam,
thousands upon thousands of men fit the description of being a
medium, white built to either lean too chubby.
White guy with a pail of skin imaginable somewhere between 57

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and 510 was in Vietnam and is a cop.
That's still too many people. It's not enough.
But the task force goes back to the basics.
They start going through like 30,000 cases, across all of
California history, looking for any rapists.
You may have just gotten that. A president fits this
description, it leads to nothing, and the 25-hundred

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dollar reward Rings, no answers.So from December of 1976 to
February 70, 75 more, women are raped.
And the community is scared. Cops are stationed, not just
around homes, but in them families who don't have cops in
their homes are sleeping in shifts, sitting up with guns
trained on the doors. Thousands of guns are sold in

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this Gap. Deadbolts going back order,
people who can't get, deadbolts are taking alternative measures
like putting doweling rods in the gap between the sliding door
on the floor or in between the window.
So it can't be pulled up or down.
One family told the Sacramento Bee that they put a tambourine
on every window and door, so they can hear somebody.

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And this level of I think alertness does bring in some
information. February 17th 1977 18, year-old
Rodney. Miller.
Here's a Prowler. And inspects and sees a man in
the bushes between him and his neighbor's house.

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Rodney lives in the Republican Ripon area R upon.
It's outside of Sacramento, and it has not been hit with a rape.
Dad. Ronnie looks at the man in the
bushes and is like, you going tostay there and chases them.
This man runs top speed across the street, but stops in his
neighbor's, front, yard and waits to see if Robbie's going
to chase him again. The teenager just bolts after

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him and manages, Grab justices Joseph, slag.
As he's going over a fence and makes him fall down.
As Rodney begins to climb the fence, Joe pulls his gun and
shoots Ronnie in the stomach, and of course, Ronnie falls back
onto his neighbor's lawn and neighbors.
Hear The Gunshot, and they call the police he gets away.

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But Ronnie has a very clear picture.
He was leaning over that fence staring right at that, right at
the guy. So he gets a Information to the
police. As soon as he can, obviously,
they had to deal with the whole gut shot first.
But this is the best police sketch we have of him.
And honestly, when I looked at his, Picture like his little

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police picture, you know, after you get accepted into the
academy or like into the the department, to take a cute
little picture of you. It looks just like that.
Just slightly off And one of my favorite things about Rodney
outside of him, just being a badass for an 18 year old, is
that his family still owns that house and he is just as proud of
himself. Now, as he is back then, and he

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literally was just like, you know what?
No rapes happened here. So I guess I did good, huh?
Yes. And he's right it.
Spook Joe enough that he leaves ripping alone He's like, I, are
they on? They do too much, too difficult

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over there, but the task force. Now has concrete proof of how
he's taken a homes because that bush that Rodney saw him in
looked like it was almost hollowed out like he had to have
been there for days. Just watch hating and just that

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police sketch gets released on March 18.
Joseph repeatedly calls the house of a young girl and arcade
Arden pretending to be a roofer and asked you to talk to her
parents. At finally, the girl gets
annoyed and she's just like they're not coming back until
next week. Leave me alone at the tanks up
on him that afternoon. Joseph makes his first call to
the Sacramento Sheriff's Department.

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The first of many calls he just says, I'm the Easter are rapists
and cackles and hangs up. He calls two more times that
day. Very quickly, the same half hour
and it's just like I'm the Easter rapist.
I have my Next victim already stopped, and you guys can't
catch me from April of 77 to November he attacks 12 more

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women. His total is no 28, and the task
force is doing all they can but they don't have the most money
to try and track these guys movements Jose calls to the
frequent. The police are so frequent now
he's calling future victims but there's just not enough police
to get stationed in every house and these like 10 neighborhoods

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And of course, some of them haveto be false Flags or people
pretending to be him but they can't get to everybody who's
getting these hang-up calls to see if he's already been to the
house and might plan attack because they believe sometimes
he goes in and he fixes things to help him get back in line.
So he breaks in first and then stuck and then he leaves it so

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he didn't even easier later. Sakura, many sacraments
Sacramento County community members are like y'all aren't
doing enough. And they hold a series of
meetings to discuss it to do thesolution at one of those early
meetings is now there are 100 men from the county who are
driving around every night looking for him.

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On top of the police. There's another meeting that
happens at a local school and detective.
Carroll Daily is they're giving self-defense tips to women and
girls who could be potential victims at that meeting.
A man comes forward and calls other men cowards for letting
another man, get away with raping your wife next to you.

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That man eventually becomes a victim.
Joseph will break into that man's house tie him up and this
detective Carol alerts her peersthat the rapist is part of this
community. He's attending these meetings to
learn what we're doing. To try to combat him, which

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makes sense. Because these meetings are where
those guys are saying like, Hey,we're going to do this thing,
and these people are going to goto this area, they're planning
the way that they drive around every night and so, of course,
he knows so he knows how to avoid them.
Lee Autumn. He starts calling the police
precinct and he taunts Carol. On December 2nd.

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He calls and says you're never gonna catch me.
Dumb fuckers. I'm the Easter rapist.
I'm gonna fuck again tonight. Be careful and his next attack
happens. A few hours later.
Also, in December, that horriblepoem.
He calls he calls the woman and says, Merry Christmas.

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It's me again, even calls the task force phone line, and he's
just like, you know, what, I'll help you out.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna attack somebody on why Avenue tonight
and the goal of this guy. It isn't a wild goose, chase.
He actually shows up on what avenue to try and break in while
the police are there, but they end up chasing him away from the

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area. The police give the first woman,
a tape recorder and they're like, listen be ready.
He might call, we can get his voice, we can put it out in the,
on the paper, you know, on TV Jane's, January 2nd.
He calls her again. They get their first tape call
and release it to the media. The call is him saying over and

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over again. He's going to kill her and he
calls her a whore and a bitch multiple times.
Four days later, he calls the police again but not to the tip
line. This time he calls the contact
Counseling Services, he sounds like he's struggling with
something and he tells the person on the phone, I have a
problem, I need help. I don't want to do this anymore.
Now the counselor, of course, heard the voice of the Easter

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rapists. And so she thinks that's the
guy, so she kind of on the low tip alerts the police and
they're like, we're coming. They have a couple minute
conversation and as people are arriving, In trying to listen,
in Joseph, says I believe you'retracking this call and he hangs
up. He goes back to taunting the

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police and past and future victims on February 2nd 1978.
He kills again, these are the match, yours.
The couple that were just out walking her dog, and Brian,
Mash. Your, who was in the military,
kind of catches him, skulking around, and chases them, and
both Brian and Katie or shot. Just more proof again that he

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panics sometimes and just shootspeople, the police find
shoelaces at the scene. His favorite kind of rope and
they deduce that just like with Rodney, he was interrupted and
he killed out of fear. They also find military shoe
prints which match other footprints found at different
scenes and the community freaks out because they're like, crap

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now he's not just raping people,he's killing them.
The task force tells the press that women who live alone or
happened to sometimes be alone. And first story Ranch, houses
near Rancho Cordova are at risk.And after the police, like after
that, article comes out in the papers, the attack, stop and

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Rancho Cordova. He's just which is bad because
he makes his move a little North, the community of
Northeast, Modesto and Stanislaus, county is not
prepared for an attack on June 5th. 1978 he ties with the
husband rapes, the wife with thehusband and child in earshot
Stacks plates. On top of the husband, as a

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sound Trigger, he attacks her for 45 minutes and then
disappears Into the Night. On July 6, he attacks another
woman, but this time in Davis, California.
She's his 37th victim and throughout the entire attack.
He says over and over again. I hate you, I hate you Bonnie.

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Almost like he's not present in the moment.
The task force is like who the hell is Bonnie?
They're like, is she a past victim?
A future picked on someone he desires, of course, it's decades
before they learn exactly who right.
She is. Now, December 2nd of 1978, he
shifts his hunting grounds 130 miles from the previous attack

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to San Jose, police all over thestate now know what it means.
So there's a rape and the house has been trashed that's the East
area, rapists and San Jose braces for chaos.
What we know is that at this time Joe and Sharon are
traveling but looking for a place to find a home.
So it's plausible that they werejust in the region looking for
houses because it's the only attack that's in that area for

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now. He uses this time to terrorize a
couple when the husband tries todefend his wife Jo nearly
shatters. The guys, kneecap hitting him so
hard that he can't get out of the bed, the entire time.
He's raping this woman. He's threatening both her and
her husband. He keeps the knife out when he's
done, he leaves them tied up. They hear him pacing and crying

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outside of their bedroom in the Next Room.
He only actually stops when the man knocked the dishes off of
his back. And then Joe hits the man in the
head. With one of his weapons still
though, the husband doesn't staydown and when he moves again and
knocked over the plates. Again this time.

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Joe ties him up again and puts the plates on them, cry, some
more and then leaves once you put your please rightly, so the
police are worried. He's having sometimes.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
I was like, why would you want to place it back on if you just
go to leave anyway? I don't know maybe like some

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down to okay, whatever. I know.
And obviously this guy is shown that like he doesn't care about
your little a trigger. He's gonna keep doing what he
wants and trying to help his wife, but another where he's
having some kind of psychological break, but we do
know outside of this. We talked about last week so
there's trouble in the D'Angelo house Joe and Sharon are

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sleeping in different bedrooms, they are not having a good
marital relationship. The polite.
The police are right that this is an escalation and that
there's going to be a further escalation but they don't know
how or when and by the end of 1978, there are now 80
detectives on the East area. Rapist, task force across
multiple counties and there havebeen 40, rapes, Lieutenant

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re-root, isn't sure what to do. They followed the book when it
comes to policing and trying to catch this guy.
So one of the detectives RichardShelby, Be who was on the task
force. At one point, has an idea,
Shelby is intense and he recognized the serial nature of
these crimes. And even though he'd been taken
off the case. At this point, he's not letting
it go. Shelby's like, listen, we need

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to attack him in the Press. Attack his manhood, see if he
does something Reckless. So the task force releases
information about the easier, rapist specifically that he has
a small deformed penis and they brand him as a coward in the
news. Detective Shelby gets quoted in

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the Press talking about this andshortly after Shelby's young son
would come to detective. Detectives bedroom telling him
that the man was looking throughhis windows.
The young boys so scared that herefused to sleep in his room
alone until he was 13. Joseph, just wanted to let
detective Shelby know I know where you live and I could hurt

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you. If I wanted to detective, shall
we doesn't want to tell his wifeand that they were visited by
the East area area rapist? Now we move into 1979 brings
more six more rapes in Sacramento Alameda, and Contra
Costa County and the consent form.
Months, the police force and thetask force Wonder did he die,

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has he been arrested impressive?Move to another city.
Now, what you and I know and everyone who listened to last
week is that this is when he gets caught stealing from that
hardware store and kind of lays low while they're dealing with
that. No one of the most interesting
details about this is. So he wasn't going to lose his
job, over the stealing, he lost his job because his boss gave

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him six months of Probation and he lost his cool.
And he gets into this massive fight in October of 1979.
And he tells his chief, Nick wellick, he threatens to kill
him. And his boss is just like, you
know what, I've had it with you.You're done.
Joe is devastated. He's humiliated.
He's embarrassed. and within weeks, Chief willick wakes up

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and his daughters in bed with him in the morning.
And he's like, well, what happened?
And she's like, there was a man in my window last night.
He was flashing a light. So I came in here Just Joe again
trying to threaten people in hisreal life who he feels like
giving him problems, which is a weird thing.
Yeah, they don't know that it's the, this is the reason why.

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But after that explosion with his boss, for more rapes happen,
his youngest victim, yet she's 13, his last Soul.
Rape is October, 1st 1979 is brutal.
It's ink a lot of California. The task force isn't aware of.

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What's about to come on the horizon.
He is now solidly in the South and he's about to ask collate to
murder every time. It starts with dr.
John offer, man and his partner,dr.
Deborah Manning. They police.
Find a size 9 shoe and the dirt outside of the house, and they
match it to the scene in October.
It's the same guy who committed the rape, but they aren't sure

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that the rape from October is the East area rapist yet.
March thirteenth, nineteen eighty, we have Lyman and
Charlene Smith who get bludgeoned to death in their
home. They are tied with a special not
called The Diamond. Not the house isn't ransacked,
for the first time through the police.
Focus on lyman's business partner, are really like this

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part, but just some of his business dealings Lima Smith is
a well-known attorney. In Santa Paula, who makes very
odd Investments. Sometimes offering get-rich
schemes to his clients on one ofsuch investment through the Land
Development. I called gaap and the client was
Joe, allsop, police find else's fingerprints on a glass inside
the Smith home and they dig deeper and find that allsup had

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lost a lot of money and investing in that Land Company,
while lyman's returns were just fine.
So of course also does not happy.
He has a motive, there's a fingerprint, they bring all Sub
in for questioning. He tells detectives he's been in
the Smith's house before multiple times and he was there

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the night before the murders because they had a beer and talk
business. Nonetheless, the da pursues all
said for the murders and the a, he they actually go through a
pretty lengthy pretrial phase before a judge dismisses, the
case entirely, Joseph doesn't attack again for seven months.
The police are like, did he leave again?

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See you dead. August 21st. 1980 is the attack
on Keith and Patrice Harrington.They are found by Roger
Harrington and Orange County anda dinner planned but the
couple's bodies are purple. Meaning they've been there for
days, this was a blitz attack while they were asleep, which
was weird. and, It was out of character, right?

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So he pulled the covers over thesleeping family's head and beat
them both. With a sprinkler from outside.
They find small parts of brass and bedded in Patty skull from
the sprinkler. After this, the Press named him,

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the Night Stalker. A 7 months pass.
Nothing happens. Until February 7th. 1981 Manuela
wooden's, mom can't reach her and she's not at the hospital
with her husband who had surgery.
Now, while his mom finds her badly raped, beaten, and half
inside a sleeping bag, the sleeping bag is weird.

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But they learn later from her husband that she says, when she
has to sleep alone in the big bed, she doesn't like it.
So, she would sleep in the pool in a sleeping bag when her
husband wasn't at the house. The police noticed that there
are bruises on her behind, like he was punching her, another

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escalation that behavior. He also tried to Stage this one
too, by making it look like it was a robbery and taking the TV
from living room but he leaves it.
Like in the backyard near the fence.
Also, he really care about the TV.
So he stood in chicken Nope. The investigators aren't fooled

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though. They Marcus does another Knights
Templar attack. Six months later, there's
another one. And a lot of California, the
real estate agent show up to do an appraisal of a property and
discover the bodies of Sherry Domingo.
And Gregory Sanchez, the overkill here is dramatic.
There's blood nearly, and every surface of the room.
Sherry was hit, dozens times police wonder if Gregory tried

(01:00:12):
to fight back because he is a bullet wound in his face that
goes through his cheek. Maybe he would have tried to,
like, you know, linebacker just slamming to him.
And that's you know, in like he did he Panic shot and it went
through his cheek but didn't actually kill him.
They also noticed that he's not leaving the bindings behind me

(01:00:34):
more but they continue to. They find fibers and Sherry's
wrists and ankles, he's trying to hide his tracks now, which is
a shift in the case. Now think stop and we know that
that's because Joseph's working random jobs.
They have their daughter Misha, like so many cases we've covered

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our this podcast when the murders stopped completely and
the rape, stop, the money stops to for the task force detective,
Carol goes back to doing her good work for Sacramento,
focusing on rape kit, standardization, and teaching
hospitals, what to do. But all the task force members,
they can't keep all 80 of these people on, and a lot of them
fade back into their regular jobs, but for Carol Can't stop

(01:01:18):
talking to the victims and I already mentioned, Richard,
Shelby is obsessed with this case.
He stays obsessed for decades. For the community east of
Sacramento has been seven years since an attack and in Southern
California is now 5. In May of 1986 people start to
breathe, a sigh of relief. And then the police find the

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bloody bruised body of Janelle Cruz and her Irvine home.
She's only 18 years old, they find a size 9 sneaker print on
her bed and also outside the home, there is an instant moment
of panic. Is it him?
Is he back again? Are we about to go on another
multi year Journey with this guy?

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Janelle's house. However, is in the perfect area
at the end of a cul-de-sac and there's a pedestrian access
point that has a huge hedge and there's a park that leads there.
So it's very plausible that her attacker could have parked way
near the park entrance and just walk through there and hit near
the Hedge and watched the arch County district attorney.

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Eric Hutch craft makes a statement and it's like, listen,
we know, he's a peeper, we know he's a Prowler and he likes to
watch people and we know that hewas alone.
They inform the public. That this was again.
Another Murder By the original Night Stalker.
Which they have to call the original Night Stalker because
Richard Ramirez is also active in the city now, but in ela and

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the suburbs of the leg. The task forces aren't really
reinstated but they do compare old evidence to this.
The new set of police are kind of reinvigorated and they want
to continue the hunt, investigators near Orange
County, reach out to other counties with their information
are like, can we go through yourold cold cases?
And they're like, I mean sure this takes years, but when they

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stumble upon the details of the East area, rapist, a lot of
people are convinced. It's the same guy.
Yeah, Moe is identical. How he The victims.
He calls to make sure they're home, how he ties them up, it's
not perfect by any means, but it's enough to make people want
to keep digging. When DNA finally becomes more
standardized in the late 90s, investigators in Orange County

(01:03:29):
takes samples, from Manuela Whitten the harringtons and
Janelle Cruz and test them against each other.
It's a match in the next year, Ventura County PD and Santa
Barbara PD, do the same with their cases and they decide to
submit that information to the FBI.
Newly created, combined, DNA index, or CODIS.

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What you've probably heard abouton TV shows through this.
They think six homicides, the original Night Stalker, they
know it's all one guy but they don't know who the guy is.
Now, the next break in this casecomes in 2001.
When investigators are Northern California working, the East
area, rapist case, decide to test a theory and they submit

(01:04:16):
the DNA that they got from the rape scenes to Southern
California. Police 60 matches even more than
they were originally aware of OnApril 5th. 2001.
The Sacramento Bee runs a story about EA are ons East area.
Rapist, original Night Stalker and it's huge about the police,

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making the connection. Now, the police are as excited
about the process though, because DNA hasn't made its way
all the way through the prison system yet, and there's this
debate about the ethics of taking prisoners DNA.
When they get pulled in the state of California is like
listen will give, you will give you this will submit people on
Death Rows, deep. But we're not going to submit
every single person who comes through.

(01:05:02):
You know, local and and state prison system.
Orange County. Sheriff investigator Larry pool
gets quoted in the paper saying we think he's probably in prison
somewhere, which you know, who knows?
He could be getting out tomorrownext week.
Next year they're very bitter. The following day, Joseph calls

(01:05:23):
a previous victim. And says, remember, when we
played, it's his final call, butnow the police know for sure
he's not in prison, so they knowthey have to keep looking We
insert crime writer Michelle McNamara.
Now she launched a true crime website called True Crime.
Diary in 2006 detailing, a long-standing fascination with

(01:05:47):
True Crime because she was near a case.
When she was a child, she built a career for herself and in
2013, she starts writing articles for different La
magazines. Between 2006 and 2013.
Michelle has been interviewing people victims from the East are
rapists, original Night Stalker.She is making connections and

(01:06:07):
the police departments. In the article, she details
information. The public never knew about
conversations with the police, letting the public know that
they're still investigating. She learns things that they
hadn't released as evidence. And in the article, she calls
him, the Golden State killer saying that they need one name

(01:06:30):
specifically something more memorable.
The entire world is now investedin this case, after Michelle
releases this massive article, Paul holes the investigator for
Contra Costa said that Michelle was very persistent, but it
seems like she was trustworthy. And she, she was genuine and so

(01:06:52):
she, they shared very sensitive information with her about the
Golden State killer. A few months later, she signs a
book deal with harpercollins to write a book.
Based in her research, her book,I'll be gone in the dark one.
Woman's obsessive search for theGolden State, killer was
two-thirds of the way down when she died on April 21st 2016.

(01:07:13):
She died from a drug overdose her True Crime, friends, Paul
Haynes. Billy Jensen and her widower
Patton, Oswalt would go on to finish the book.
Two years later, it was releasedtwo months before Joseph James
D'Angelo was caught. It was actually On the New York
Times bestseller list. When he gets arrest I used that
book as one of my sources for this week's podcast in a strange

(01:07:36):
weirdness. I didn't know that Patton Oswalt
and Michelle were married until after she died but I knew she
was as far as being a writer anda true crime writer.
I wanted it's weird like it's weird my head because my mom
died four months before, Michelle, did and Patton Oswalt,
I came across like him talking about his grief publicly, and in

(01:07:56):
his comedy, and it just kind of it, hit me real hard because I
was only four months deep and Still very, very hurt.
Yeah. I read a lot and watched a lot
of what he had to say. And I honestly I wanted to quote
some of the things that he said here, but grief is a bitch and I
can't sew but Michelle McNamara had a major impact.

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On this case, she brought it outof the shadows and back into the
spotlight. People don't like to give True
Crime content creators, the credit, but the impact of those
articles that came out in 2013, helped with the funding that was
necessary for what was about to happen.
With this case, Michelle made those victims and the survivors
real to people. And when people start to care

(01:08:45):
wallet, start to open And that'sthe you know the FBI gets
involved. They release new composite
sketches with this information as they talked to Old victims
again. They put out a new tip line.
There's a 50 thousand dollar reward.
And we have to roll back just a little bit.

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The mid 2010's bring the conceptof familial DNA to the Forefront
of investigators mind. It's been used in other states
to successfully capture people and they want to use it.
Here, we got big sites, like 23andMe and ancestry.com,
they've exploded and Americans are obsessed with being able to
find their their, their proper blood line.

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Because so much of our country is X race at this point.
And it's groundbreaking because what used to cost Is upon
hundreds of dollars and hundredsof hours of time.
Now, it's just $129. You can find out what's in your
blood Well, the police contact, a smaller website, called GED

(01:09:50):
match. And they asked for access to
their database and GD, match tells their users From this day
forward, this database is going to be public to certain
organizations. And that you have a certain
amount of time before you can remove your DNA if you want to.

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The police use one of as they called it, the abandoned DNA
samples from one of the rape-murders and the website
gives them roughly 10 to 20, people all connected through a
set of great-great-great-grandparents
like back to like the 1700s and those match the 10 murders in
California. So the DA's office is like, do

(01:10:36):
it again. They get the same results, there
is this moment of pure joy for the offer sister who have now
been working on this case for decades but it's still not
enough. They have to begin creating a
family tree, and then potentially testing people they

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linked to it, or eliminating them, in some form.
This process takes months of tracking down.
We're looking through newspapers, birth records, death
records obituaries engagement, announcements wedding
announcements to try and build this family tree.
And from that point on, they nowhave to connect where all these
people were living. While the attacks were active in

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California, and there's two of them.
One of the folks is contacted ineliminated by a DNA test.
Leaving one man, Joseph James DeAngelo.
Now 17 years old, he is a seven The police began stocking, Joe's

(01:11:41):
house and also him, they just are following him.
And when he's inside of a Hobby Lobby, they take a DNA swab of
his door handle and they also take some of the trash from
outside of his house. At this point, Sharon is no
longer living there. The people living at the house
are Joseph. His eldest daughter Misha and
her daughter who was 19. So there's DNA markers to

(01:12:07):
determine if someone is female or male.
So the, the of the DNA they didn't need as quickly,
eliminated the police, don't forgive him right away though,
they wait a couple months as they build the case against him
and on April 24th. 2018, the Sacramento Sheriff's office,
arrest 72 years old, Jace, Joseph James DeAngelo at his

(01:12:29):
home in Citrus. Heights, the community is
surprised to know that their friend and neighbor is a serial
killer There was one guy, I was really funny.
He was just like I just learned about this case and was looking
into it. The guy live five blocks away
from me They charged him with eight counts of first-degree
murder with special circumstances.

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And then three weeks later on May 10th the Santa Barbara
County District, Attorney's, Office charges him, but the
additional four counts of first-degree murder.
They cannot charge him with any of the rapes or burglaries
because the statute of limitations expired before.
California determined that therewould be no statute of
limitations on rape that happened in 2016.

(01:13:11):
So, because these cases and the mean, it ended literally,
Decades before that was passed in the state, they cannot add
them Joseph's. Lawyer immediately tries to get
the, the DNA situation with GD, match thrown out there.
Like, listen, this company didn't disclose that.
Private consumer data will be used in an investigation except

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they totally did. And so they're like, nothing's
getting thrown out. Bring bring bring your boy on
and we need to talk to him. Joseph's interrogation is
cleared. Yaks confused.
He keeps bringing up. Somebody named Jerry saying
things like I didn't have the strength to push him out.

(01:13:55):
He made me, he went with me. It was like, in my head, I mean,
he's a part of me. I didn't want to do those
things. I push Jerry out and had a happy
life but I did all those things.I destroyed their lives.
So now I've got to pay the priceThe police aren't buying this
though and Bonnie clicks for them.
When they find his wedding announcement, the body that he

(01:14:17):
talked about at the 37th rate and then they talked to Jim
huddle, his brother-in-law and Jim huddle, tells the police
that Joe talked to him about howBonnie was his one true love.
That's before he married his sister Shannon Sharon.
So D'Angelo gets arraigned Sacramento, August 23rd, 2018 on

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an April 10th, 2019, Court proceeding, prosecutors
announced they intend to seek the death penalty judge rules
that cameras will be allowed inside the courtroom during the
here during the trials. On March 4th, 2020 D'Angelo
offers to plead guilty if the death penalty is taken off the
table, The Da Box. Absolutely not no way.

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But the prior November, they prosecutors from different
counties, six of them to be exact sat down and what this is
going to cost the taxpayers 20 million dollars and probably
last 10 years. So, four months later on, June
29th, the prosecutors amend their original statement and

(01:15:32):
they say that they will allow DeAngelo to plead guilty to 13
counts of first degree murder, under special circumstances,
including murder committed during burglaries and rapes as
well as 13 counts of kidnapping in exchange for removing the
death penalty. August 21st, 2020, 44 years,
after he raped his first known victim.

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He will be sentenced for his crimes.
Because it is the middle of covid.
It's not wild it's only happenedtwo years ago.
Oh my God. It's still throws me for a loop
that it took so long. The like I remember watching it.
But so what San Francisco does is that like, listen, stop

(01:16:16):
Sacramento, not feel like peopledeserve, like the people who are
affected by this, and the community affected, by this
deserve, to be allowed to see this sentencing.
And because of the, you know, six feet requirements in That
were public at the time. They actually hold.
This sentencing hearing at a makeshift courtroom at

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Sacramento University and they also utilize a nearby Ballroom
for the Overflow gallery. Joseph shows up for his
sentencing in a wheelchair looking, frail and pathetic.
But the prosecution was ready for that.

(01:17:03):
And in fact had given the have ajudge videos of mr.
Di Angelo and his cell prior to his sentencing.
In those videos he is not a frail little man.
He is jumping around his cell exercise in doing pull-ups

(01:17:23):
climbing on his bed and in a real creepy way, he's putting
like his blankets over the lights.
Which is something that he wouldsometimes do with the rape
victims. So, even in prison, he's trying
to relive memories never die. I guess.
So judge Michael Bowman decides to sit D'Angelo and the defense
team. Those are attorneys Joseph Crest

(01:17:45):
Alice, Michael and Diane Howard facing him instead of the rest
of the crowd. He wants to talk directly to Joe
as the prosecutors painstakinglygoes through every single crime.
For the people watching both in the courtroom and at home, this
is shocking. And then they move into the

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impact statements, which take three days?
I'm gonna give you a couple of them.
Gay Hardwick was victim, 39, andshe talked about how he attacked
them while they were sleeping. She said, he kidnapped me from
my bed. Brittany repeatedly, sodomize me

(01:18:29):
forced oral copulation. Try, imagine me with threats of
death for me, and my loved ones.Should I make a sound or resist
in any way? The aftermath of this attack has
been with me for 42 years, Ken Smith, the brother of victims,
Katie and Brian. As you're told Joe, you're not
important. We'll remember, Katie and Bryan

(01:18:51):
for the rest of our lives, but after your sentence, you'll be a
nobody It's a bit hop. The daughter of Claude Snelling.
Also spoke that day and she saidfor many years I felt guilt for
what happened that night. I felt maybe there was something
I could have done or said to warn my dad to stay there and
not come out. It wasn't until I became a
parent myself. I realized there was nothing I

(01:19:13):
could have done to keep my dad from China Sea.
My dad died, saving my life thatnight and he was my hero.
Let s and angers me the most is D'Angelo was able to live a
normal life with his family for all those years while my family
could not be with my dad, DebbieDomingo, McCullen.
The daughter of Sherry Domingo spoke.

(01:19:35):
She said, Wendy Angelo stole, mymom for me.
He didn't just take away a person from my daily routine.
He stole my vision of the future.
He took away my desire and my passion to look ahead set goals.
Strive for Success. He left me, empty today, the
devil losses and Justice wins today.
I am the Victor in a battle of Good and Evil.

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Bonnie wasn't allowed to talk, but she was there and Bonnie and
Jane Carson became buddies over time.
And when Jane Carson made her statement, she Referenced Bonnie
and what Bonnie will through which and kind of a moment of
solidarity. Finally, after three days of all

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these people talking. Joseph gets up from his
wheelchair. Takes off his covid mandated
mask and he addresses the court.He's like I listen to all your
statements. Each one of them.
I'm truly sorry for everyone. I'm hurt.
And 16 and he receives 12 life sentences plus eight years it

(01:20:42):
will never be enough for what he's done.
As of today, he is incarcerated in protective custody at
California, State, Prison Corcoran.
His family does not wish to be contacted in any way and they
went virtually nothing to do with him.
Sharon made one public statementafter she divorced him and 2018

(01:21:04):
and she said, the defendants criminal actions have had a
devastating and pervasive effecton my life and my family.
I will never be the same person and now, live every day with the
knowledge of how he attacked anddamaged hundreds of innocent
lives and murdered 13. Innocent people who were loved
and now have been missed for 40 years or more.
I live every day with post-traumatic distress where I
know Unexpected noise, or movement can be perceived by my

(01:21:25):
mind as a threat to me. Simple everyday experiences,
such as a car moving from one lane to another bring fear once
while shopping at Trader. Joe's grocery store a hand
touched my forearm. While I was looking into a
freezer, my heart began to race in my body jolted.
I was terrified that I was aboutto be harmed.
When in reality it was someone Iknew who just wanted to say
hello. I've lost my ability to trust

(01:21:48):
people. I trusted the defendant when he
told me he had to work her. He was going for isn't hunting
are going to visit his parents, hundreds of miles away.
I worked graveyard shifts at Jack In The Box, fast-food
restaurant and at Placer County.Juvenile Hall at times, I
studied late into the night and at law school when I was not
around, I trusted, he was doing what he told me he was doing

(01:22:09):
now, without that ability to trust my relationships.
With other people have been severely impacted.
I wish that nothing I say here. Will detract from any other
person's impact statement. You said Bonnie does want to be
contacted his kids A few interviews and his eldest
daughter did make an impact statement as well.
Mainly she just was shocked. She was just like, this is what?

(01:22:31):
He's a good guy. He's my dad, he's a nice guy.
He was a good guy. He raised my daughter.
He's a good guy. Like she is just completely out
of like shocked. Like there was nothing that like
me should consider. Like there's some cognitive
dissonance happening there, because they have DNA evidence,
there's no qualms and your dad admitted it, you know?
So I think she can really do about that.

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And a few of his victims like Jane Carson or crisper Jetty.
Chris was the 15 year old wrote their own books.
Describing their path to healingand those will be listed in the
notes because those are also books that I read and I feel
like if anybody should make somemoney off of a True Crime Story,

(01:23:13):
it's one of the victims. They should they should get a
cut of. Yeah, what happened here?
But uh, I really don't feel likethe police.
Did anything wrong here? This was one of those cases
where they ignored the people for dinner were supposed to do.
It was just, we didn't have, they were constantly hunting.

(01:23:34):
They were on from They never gave up goodness.
Yeah, that's a conclusion and hejust looks so smug.
If you look at his face you justwanna punch him.

(01:23:54):
His smug face. Yeah.
He has a punchable face. Absolute a truly punch good.
Yeah, you know, a lot of that. Like I put in most of our On the
website, which is so upset. I put all the sources, you know,

(01:24:14):
you want to support these peoplewho are still being impacted
because they'd only happened twoyears ago that they only caught
him. You know why those people?
Yeah. Yeah.
They went through hell, they deserve to get a little money
somewhere in this horrible process.
So I got that was a good one. That was it's nice to have a

(01:24:41):
decent. Yeah, yeah yeah.
So rare I'll give you that. I'll give you that one.
Okay. Well, this week.
I was juggling between topics totalk about, so I was like, I

(01:25:03):
want to talk about this, but that looks like now something I
was like, who well, this one seems more interesting.
Okay, so this week, as many of you may or may not have seen,
And the recent Jordan Peele movie.

(01:25:23):
Nope, it's really, really good, really good like just don't
stare at Clouds so people who didn't get it, don't understand.
But the people who get it, get it if, you know, you know.
Oh hell yeah. Oh, Listen, I will listen to

(01:25:44):
that, was out again. I love it.
I love it. So we talking about aliens,
well, sort of not really hmm. Okay, what's Wild do is after I
saw that I learned like after I watched, nope I learned that

(01:26:04):
they actually have a name. So we have different things so
like, you know, we see like not a lot and idle and Light
anomalies in the sky and whatnotbut they actually so now it's
unidentified. You ap's, you know, you APS now
but then there's also another name for you a peas that are
biological in nature. I was just like oh how cool?

(01:26:29):
You know, identified aerial phenomena but apparently they
are aware that some of the you APS are biological news or what
we're talking about. We're talking about today.
Oh no. Today, the topic is atmospheric
beasts. Whoa, I know nothing.

(01:26:55):
I just learned that these thingseven existed like a month and a
half ago. All right, so ready for anybody,
who doesn't know atmosphere beasts are there, basically
creatures that live in our atmosphere they may or may not
be from Earth. Some some speculate they are

(01:27:18):
like Earth. Animals, select / things.
And some, you know, think that you're just aliens are visiting
or they got trapped here in our atmosphere and they live there.
Now, um, So there are many many,many sightings of these types of

(01:27:43):
creatures. I am adding to pictures into the
chat right now. I'm gone.
I'm gone. I want to see why I'm if it
looks like the ones I have. I have other pictures of those
2. Okay, okay.
Yeah see. So I've been watched a lot of

(01:28:04):
fright club, which you folks don't know.
It's a show that they created during quarantine with Jack
Osbourne because he does Go stuff and the ghost brothers who
are these three black guys who also hunt ghosts and they all
sit and they look at clips and stuff.
And so I feel like about half oftheir content is Alien related

(01:28:24):
and they're very into it. And so like they've posted all
sort, they see they should get all sorts of weird stuff and
it's weird. It's scary looking.
So a lot. None of them look like little.
So there are some that actually.So, with the thing, atmospheres

(01:28:47):
atmospheric beasts is there likecouple different variations of
these. You have your pictures.
I just sent you there called Skyserpents and there are other
ones that are called like atmospheric jellyfish.
Yeah, I've seen those and look at the wall that, like, when I

(01:29:10):
saw a picture of that, I was like, you know what, that looks
like. Okay.
So, I'm going off topic right now.
I don't care. So there's a little Pokémon,
right? It's it's, it's one of the newer
ones and it's called like an ultra Beast.
Okay. And, and it looks just like an

(01:29:31):
atmospheric jellyfish. Does it come you know, and not
that weird though, right? Because a lot of Pokemon are big
animals, real animals, and, and real creatures, some of them are
based off of lore and mythology.Like the lady with the hat, you
had had on the back of her head thing.

(01:29:54):
Yeah, so I mean, the Pokemon have been getting inspiration
from the weird and wild of life for a while.
Don't ask me where I'm a chocolate came from.
There's a little guy, the peopleare one of the weirdest ones but
the ones based off of society are super interesting.
So the fact that they this quickly, I feel like this name

(01:30:15):
atmospheric Beast can have existed for very long, and they
already made a Pokemon piece offof, its kind of hilarious.
So yeah, those are tight. The two types and talk about.
I'm going to add another one in as well because some people
think that this is also an atmosphere of Peace, which is
actually it's not an atmosphere of peace is actually just a

(01:30:37):
trick of the camera and I was like I'll tell you about that
one. No, not bull like that.
But yeah, I'd like a sphere. A jellyfish are just like flying
jellyfish. And I think that's like the type
of creature like, Jordan Peele put in his movie.
If yes, the yeah, it does look like no spoilers.

(01:31:00):
Sorry. Yeah, if me see if I now didn't,
I don't care. Sorry, spoilers.
We're just telling you that the monster looks kind of like, what
baby. Yeah.
Ryan talking about. We won't tell you any of the
others are so many references. Okay?
Anyway, so atmospheric jellyfishare actually also a type of UFO

(01:31:29):
as well or it's like, I guess you say you AP now.
Yeah, you AP is now but yeah, they're definitely you APS and,
you know, they could be a UFO because very are sometimes.
Taken for UFOs because of the shape of their bodies.
Yeah. Right.
Excellent. And this has been cited by

(01:31:53):
Hundreds of different people from all across the world.
Yet meteorology meeting you meteorology.
God, I cannot say that word. Meaner meteor knowledge achill,
scientist. And like, you got military
people seeing it, especially that people in Navy, whenever

(01:32:16):
they're out. Well yeah, I mean the defense
release details of thumb but yeah.
See So this is like the sightings have been going on
since like the mid-twentieth century and they even like I
said cited, like hundreds of times it's a it's I guess.

(01:32:39):
This is a it is a newer UFO. UAP, citing thing you I'm going
to say you keep saying UFO because you know, it's UFO.
Grew up on UFOs. And it like it's a new one that
is starting to be like research and stuff like that and a lot of
people are not more people were talking about it now and there

(01:33:03):
are a ton of different sightingsof the Giants of this flying
jellyfish. Like there's a Norwegian
sighting and it was sighted in Norway by / Arn.
And I come sorry anyway / Arne right?

(01:33:23):
And it's a leading the leading scientists theorize that it may
have been caused by light from the Aurora being bounced off of
a space satellite. But there's not, there's no
picture of it, but I see it all the other pictures and just like
there's no way because there's this one if I can share it like

(01:33:50):
that. There's one called a of Flying
Flying Dutch flying jellyfish. And this was the spot in the
Netherlands and a man named Harry person is one of the
checked it out and he like I guess it was after a storm and

(01:34:11):
he went to take pictures for hisblog, right?
And you know he's you know, thisguy is, it looks so beautiful
there and then if In this, that's real.
No, no. It looks like it's like fake
ones. You like to shoot.
Ya. Like a shooting off and stuff

(01:34:33):
rocket. Yes, streaming through the sky.
Yeah, I was sure that that was like, one of the Photoshop ones
because people love like, photoshopping, like Animals Sky
and all sorts of things I did. I am one of those people that
like if you can see not all yourfull pictures, I'm going to

(01:34:53):
believe are real but like something like this.
It's like yeah. It's kind of hard to fake.
I mean that really you got Photoshop now but older
pictures. Yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting though. It's an interesting.
It looks like a jellyfish. No tentacles.
It really does like bottom of it.

(01:35:17):
There's another one. From China and it was spotted by
it. You know, Chinese Air Force and
Chinese Air Force, pilot and 140, ground troops or ground
officials. And this happened Monday,
October 19th to the 1998. And there's no picture of it,

(01:35:42):
but there's like an artist rendition of it, of course, the
airplane, flight airplane, flying in the sky and then off
in the distance, you see this, okay green shape looking thing
that's moving around like, you know, flying jellyfish.
It's just, it's just weird. But yet.

(01:36:09):
I saw a video of one of those like serpent things, but it was,
like, okay, well, I'm gonna ground.
It was in which, for me because I took like, when I was younger
and like, I say younger, but I'mtalking about, like, my early
twenties of You know, I like taking pictures of the sky and

(01:36:33):
stuff and and I have this one picture, it's on my Facebook
that I took a picture this guy and you just the way the clouds
were just it look like waves in the sky and I mean like the wind
blew it some type of way and just like it was just a roll of
waves going across honestly. Yes, well, okay, I got one for

(01:37:00):
you, ready for this? Think about what an old Flying
Saucer looks like. I have a picture.
That I took in Virginia. Standing on one of the but you
know that long bridge that takesyou to Virginia Beach.

(01:37:21):
My family unwisely allowed me totake all the photos and so there
are just photos that I took of the sky looking out at the
water. So many of them.
My mom was like, when I got these back right knee, but in
one of these pictures that I took, while I was standing on,
like the bridge because there's a section of goes underwater

(01:37:42):
above, Water. And then there's a good gift
shop where up there at the gift shop area.
It looks like an honest, there'slike an outline of a like an
old-timey, Flying Saucer so much.
I it looks so much like the old picture like the old like movie
things. That I was sure that like,
somebody messed with the picturebecause this was filmed, that's
true. But the thing is film, can be
tweaked that picture. I just So do that picture, you

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have a school, I'll have to findmine.
I remember where it is, and might be in a photo album
somewhere in my apartment, but, and I was just like, that's a
flying saucer and I never thought anything of it.
Again, I just kind of was like, that's weird.
And my mom was like here, all these pictures of the ocean that
you took and like, plop them on me.

(01:38:27):
Like it's just the ocean and I'mlike, I thought it was a pretty
Figured myself as a. Oh my God, tiger fur.
So I took even like sunsets or nothing.
It's just plain old. I love it.

(01:38:50):
Oh my God. You don't let you ten-year-old
be the cameraman. But yeah, I that I saw as
awesome as also. I love it.
I love it, but it's cool. So as the other type of
atmospheres atmospheric a beast,I was speaking it on.

(01:39:14):
Was this guy serpent? Which my picture kind of looks
like it's the back of a serpent.Yeah, yeah.
And they're basically flying snakes in the sky or maybe even
dragons that that just you know they float or they fly in the

(01:39:36):
air and they You know what though?
I would feel like. And I would feel like, what do
you miss the aliens. By creating creating an image of
something that we know to be fantasy.

(01:39:58):
I can see that like these peopleover here believes all the
stupid shit a brick, making it up this way and we're up here
real. Yes.
But there they move like like a how you know how snake moves
into water or like a snake moveson the ground?
They just you know, undulate back and forth to fly.

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And normally how that's how the littles the sky snakes or Sky.
Serpents fly or like most Asian dragons that have the ability to
fly dates lately, like 3D Lady Rainicorn, who is Korean?
And she just, you know, flies onthe, the, like waves, whatever.
Anyway, but yeah, those picturesI sent you, those are sky

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serpents. and apparently, we watch the same videos, so,
Because I said it looks like it.Like, was it like a parking lot?
Like, kind of moved around the light and the people are pretty

(01:41:05):
unsure if they believe that Sky serpents are real.
They because mainly they like the picture I sent you.
They look just like clouds. Like that could be a cloud.
Okay, not that one. No, not that one in the parking
lot, not wanting a parking lot. Which one?

(01:41:26):
But no, this doesn't look like agod to me.
Oh yeah. That like.
Well, I'm looking at the one where you can it's the sunset.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay. Come.
It's distinctly different from the other clouds.
So I think I don't know if you get explaining this like a what
do you call that? Like when the the that might be
you do the cool flame playing and it leaves those streaks in

(01:41:48):
the sky. Like maybe somebody did like a
spin up. Like that makes sense to me, but
like not that this is a cloud. Why is this Cloud suddenly
going? Yeah.
Yeah. Opposite direction of all the
other Cloud, I mean, straight up, but some people are like,
maybe maybe they are atmosphericpiece, or maybe they're just
like Yeah. Yeah.

(01:42:12):
Or maybe just a UFO that you know mr.
Kannada. Is it look like a living
creature? Ever know.
Just because it's like a supernatural stuff, so you never
know. And yeah, I mean, I think that's
why they changed the name to unidentified aerial phenomenon.

(01:42:35):
But I mean like there's another one that I remember, seeing of
like the snake that looks like, you know, how like it do they
used to do the little wand and they would make the Disney
picture. It looks like somebody like one
of those and just like tripled in the sky talk about the Mickey
Mouse symbol, you know, picture.I'm talking about No, it should

(01:42:59):
like that. Apparently this is a lightning
but I don't know. Because this looks like somebody
had like those light sticks and just swish it around in the sky.

(01:43:26):
Apparently, that picture is lightning and I'm like, that
seems weird to me. I get legitimately looks like
the clouds are opening up. That was March 2007.
Hmm. What is it?

(01:43:47):
Let me see. Yeah, so they that the people
who posted select certain phenomena are easily confused
with a piece like Miss Alice forshown here.
Lightning related is also know and I'm like, oh, I believe
doesn't look like any lightning I've ever seen.

(01:44:08):
What it looks like. Yeah, I is opening up but do you
see how the clouds are almost curled?
Around the light? That's also there's a break in
the sky, that's wild. It's like in other than it's
like when like fire tornado started being a thing, I need
more and I was like, what? What of tornado of fire?

(01:44:33):
That's cool. And also terrifying.
That is cool though. Oh, right, so have you heard of
are rods before? You have.
All right. So are I don't.
Okay. So are rods are basic.

(01:44:55):
What are are rods? I've heard of the okay.
Is it there either? Okay, are rods and cones skyfish
or flying rods. Um basically okay are just a

(01:45:18):
tube of something. Flying across the sky. and, Oh,
that looks so careful goodness, yes.
Yeah, it does, doesn't it? Yeah, it's like a lot of people

(01:45:39):
thing real fast. And then I've see, I've seen
some higher than a bug, like, I'm looking at some that seem
way higher than a bud, Lou apparently.
Yeah, apparently are rods have never been seen with the naked
eye by the naked, eye at all. But you can definitely pick them
up on like, you know, a camera. Like if you pull your phone out,

(01:46:03):
take a picture. Boom.
You're good to go. You probably might catch a ride
in one of your pictures. Um, so Are rods are really a
thing. What they are saying Well, my

(01:46:25):
favorite is when people are trying to like, I'm looking at
some of that, right? Yeah.
Those are odds aren't saying they're actually, it's a hoax.
I'd say, but it's a, it's a camera trick or it's a trick of
light with the camera. So, they are actually.

(01:46:52):
It's a bug actually it's a bug. So it's possible that a very
fast bug with its wings flappingthat make it look like it's just
a cylindrical thing that's flying through the sky.
There's only one that I'm not sure about it being a bug

(01:47:12):
because it looks so clear. All the rest of them look very
blurry, like it's moving too fast.
That's usually what they're theyclassified as because they're
like, it's just like a smudging,like it's going too fast, so you
can't really catch the wings. So it just looks like I don't
like. Just look at the top left left

(01:47:37):
in the picture. I sent you, I mean okay, yeah.
Okay. That's the only one that's like,
what is that? That feels like.
That could be something else. Yeah, absolutely.
I can totally get the one on thetop.
Right. That looks like a buck to me.
Yeah. Yep, that's exactly.

(01:47:57):
That's exactly why he tried to take a picture of a dragonfly
with like a cell phone. You actually have to have a
camera that has a pretty solid in for fire anime fans, who who
are very cultured. They in that.
Who are who are very cultured and watch, JoJo's Bizarre,

(01:48:19):
Adventure or who the rental there is a, they make reference
to are rods in the, which one was it?
Was it the I think it's Parts. This is the part that's out
right now. I think that's the part that's
out right now. They are rods.
Okay? Don't want Jolene in the prison
escaping prison? That one stone ocean.

(01:48:43):
Sam would knows that Sam knows it.
Oh, You right Sam. What do I immediately?
My brain thought the new episodes but yet and there you
go. We're talking about you, oh
goodness. But yeah, like, I love the idea

(01:49:09):
of like creatures besides Birds,living up in our atmosphere, and
living living in the sky. I know, birds are freaking Faker
cameras. Well, I mean, that's all I'm
talking about is only conspiracyCrypt.
Tricking us. They are fake.

(01:49:33):
They're drones here to spy on us.
We're play Fallout 4, you know, the birds aren't real.
Hey, oh no, the birds are not real.
I played Fallout 4. What remember, we're going off

(01:49:54):
topic again. But fuck it.
I'm going to talk about it now. We'll talk about this
afterwards, okay. We'll listen to it, they like
the conspiracy stop 200k. Anyway, Birds aren't real, but
atmospheric piece is a may be real.
Just like any other Cryptid. That's why I'm talking about

(01:50:16):
today because it's, they're basically a Cryptid but also an
alien but also a UFO also. I don't know.
I just Yeah. I mean, that's really where it
is with this. I'm gonna go back to the

(01:50:36):
atmospheric jellyfish for a second.
Like there. There, there are a ton.
Like I said, it's on the sightings.
They go back to the 70s, actually, and the first one that
is like, cited is actually what they based in SCP off of as
well. We sure as hell do.

(01:51:00):
And it was in, I guess it was Danish.
The Davis military. They saw this one and it looks
just like a freaking jellyfish in the sky.
That's like, like not were like to China cannot relate.
Like yeah, they got two tentacles but like the fluffy
tentacles, you know what I mean.I forget, which jellyfish that
is Like a like a lion's mane jellyfish, something like that.

(01:51:26):
Yeah. Oh yeah yeah I know it was
swinging Target but yeah I just like the idea of things floating
in the sky that maybe from this planet.
And then when you think about it, like we travel to Skies all
the time, you think? Well, I don't know planes go up

(01:51:49):
that high. But you know, I mean like there
someday I can get high and is something we can't.
We can't really search the wholeSky all the time, and we can't
search it. It's just all around the rose,
like the ocean a little bit, butnot really.
Oh yeah, that's what I got. I miss her.

(01:52:12):
Yes I saw it. I was like this is going to be a
girl and like this. I like the idea of just giant
jellyfish in the sky because I love jellyfish that look like
spaceships. And I got to talk about note for
a second. Which is awesome.
Good. Well, thanks so much everybody

(01:52:38):
for listening one question mark.I don't know if that's the right
thing to say, but it does make me happy to.
We love you on here in at you. I love hearing.
And I say this on Tic Tac all the time, but I want to say this

(01:52:59):
here too, there are some really amazing things that have
happened to me since we started this process and now there's
something really big that could be on the horizon for both
Brian. And I and the reason why that
exists is because all of you arehere, I say it a lot, but thank
you all for changing my life. And yes, have a great

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