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The mystery of autism becomes deeply personal in this intimate conversation with Jessica, a mother whose journey with her autistic son ultimately inspired her own career in special education. Jessica takes us through the pivotal moment when her toddler son seemed to change overnight around his second birthday – suddenly struggling with motor skills despite previously reaching developmental milestones early.

What makes this episode particularly valuable is Jessica's honest portrayal of both the challenges and triumphs. She shares her initial denial upon getting the diagnosis, followed by her fierce determination when medical professionals suggested limitations her son might face. "We'll see," she responded, launching into years of dedicated advocacy and support-seeking that would transform both their lives.

Through Jessica's experiences, we gain practical insights into what actually works for families navigating autism. Her son's unexpected love of music therapy – especially drums and rock concerts – challenges assumptions about sensory sensitivities. Her praise for dedicated special education teachers illustrates how crucial school support systems can be. Most poignantly, she describes the delicate balance between maintaining essential routines while preparing her son for life's inevitable interruptions.

As her son approaches high school graduation with plans to detail cars alongside his father, Jessica reflects on her transformation from advocate to educator. Now completing her own degree in special education, she'll soon support other families through similar journeys. Her advice resonates with wisdom earned through experience: "Don't be scared to get support. Don't stop. Always ask for help."

Whether you're personally connected to autism or simply seeking to understand neurodiversity better, this conversation offers genuine perspective without clinical detachment. Jessica's story reminds us that behind every autism statistic is a family navigating a unique path with creativity, determination, and above all, unconditional love.

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Kevin (00:03):
Soundstrike.

Palmi (00:06):
And I'm Call Me.
We consider ourselvesdisability advocates and intend
to spotlight some disabilityissues and things we find
interesting that we frequentlyencounter when we're out and
about.
Also, some history ondisability that we find
interesting.
History on disability that wefind interesting Hello, hey,

(00:28):
welcome to the podcast.
We have a person to interviewtoday, as we had told you about
in the last episode.
This is Jessica.
Hi, jess, hey, how are you guys?
Pretty good.
So we have been neighbors forwhat?
Oh my gosh, we have beenneighbors for what?

Jessica (00:42):
Oh my gosh, At least, at least Ten years.

Palmi (00:45):
At least a decade.
Yeah, yeah so and we, bestneighbor ever, we, you know,
they've always been very helpfulwith everything.
I wouldn't know what to dowithout John helping me out
sometimes.

Jessica (00:56):
He's handy to have around, very handy, I think he
did our dog door.

Palmi (01:00):
He was so nice about it.
He saw me over here strugglingand came over and helped, so
that was very helpful and yourson has autism.
Yes, yeah, so we're exploringautism, this episode, but it's

(01:22):
nice to hear it from a personthat actually experiences it,
because you can see the data onpaper and understand the data
kind of but you don't know theday-to-day what the struggle is
from the caretakers, what you'veactually had to struggle
through and what works for youand what doesn't work for you,
so kind of give our listeners anidea of what your case has

(01:45):
experienced.

Kevin (01:46):
And, plus, if you would also go into the spectrum of
autism severely autistic, not soseverely there's a lot of
influencers who are, like,mildly affected by autism, like
mildly affect biotism, andpeople don't see that as much of

(02:06):
a problem because, well, youknow, explain, for example, a
little bit about what's going onat the surface.
It's not just the fact shelooks so old.
She has to, you know, she hasto relearn how to cope with
society, if you will and socialthings.

Jessica (02:29):
Yeah.
So what's kind of crazy aboutautism or unique Landon, my son
and another kid.
Their data could look exactlythe same.
They're not going to do thesame things.
They're going to struggle withdifferent types of sensory
issues.
What works for this one is notgoing to work for that one, more

(02:51):
than likely.
So I think that that's kind ofan interesting piece to see.

Palmi (03:01):
So let's start out.
When Landon how was Landontested?
How does that start out?
Um when Landon how was Landontested?
How does that start out?

Jessica (03:08):
so he was tested.
Landon was diagnosed a weekbefore his third birthday.
Yeah, um, very normal baby dideverything very early.
He walked before he crawled.
He did everything very earlyand then it was, I think, around
his second birthday.

(03:29):
It's like he woke up one dayand somebody had flipped a
switch.
He is suddenly having troublewith his motor skills.
He's not repeating, he'splaying with toys, not the way
that he was playing with thembefore.
He was very behind in hisspeech and me and John had moved

(03:53):
in together and he was like youknow, I saw this thing and I
think maybe we need to look intoit and, like most parents, I
was in denial.
I was like hey, it's becauseit's an only child, my baby's
perfect.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong,it's fine.
And then I had him and my momshow me the information and I
started looking and I'm readingthese hallmark signs and it's

(04:17):
like somebody just sat down andwrote my kid like wrote what he
does.
So we went to it used to beEaster Seals that the Autism
Center in Cape got with them andwithin 20 minutes of being in a
room I it like hit me and I waslike okay, this is what it's
going to be.

(04:37):
So, there was a little bit of anacceptance.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then you kind of go throughthat Well, what caused it?
Yeah.
What did I do wrong to?

Palmi (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, but they still don't know, do they no Gen
?

Jessica (04:50):
And they still don't know, do they no Genetics?
I think is a huge part of itfrom stuff that we've read and
we've even done some studieswith different groups.
It's mostly answering questions, and that's what they keep
coming back to is it's thisperson has this and this person
has this, and so now we get yeah, and so it's just something in

(05:14):
that genetic makeup wow, sothat's interesting.

Palmi (05:16):
Yeah, kevin's got us very .
His disease is very similar tothat, but his is an external
source is almost everybody elsehas a gene that causes it.

Kevin (05:29):
It's hereditary but there's also an external there's
nobody else in my family thathas this, so yeah, that's how
autism usually is like nobody inthe family has anything.

Palmi (05:41):
The families I've met with now, is there any in your
family or no?

Jessica (05:44):
no, no, nothing, um, yeah, nothing, even um from
landon's biological background.
There wasn't't, there wasnothing, no history of anything.

Palmi (05:57):
So yeah, so, so, so at three.
Then what, what?
What do you do?

Jessica (06:04):
I am hardheaded.
So when they they're nevernegative, but they come to you
and they say, okay, nevernegative, but they come to you
and they say, okay, they werestill learning a lot about
autism.

Palmi (06:15):
Landon is how old?

Jessica (06:16):
he's 17, so this was almost 15 years ago, yeah, so,
um, but they they said you know,this is kind of what we see.
They're probably, he's probablynot going to be able to do this
, this or this.

Palmi (06:28):
I hate that one yes, they , they weren't.

Jessica (06:31):
They weren't negative about it, but they were just
like we're preparing you andthey didn't know a lot.
Back then, yeah, and theydidn't.
Yeah, and I was just like, okay, well, we'll see.
Right, exactly, yeah.
So any teacher that would talkto me, any therapist I reached
out to book authors, anybodythat would talk to me, tell me
what I need to do?

Kevin (06:49):
Right what I need to do.

Palmi (06:53):
Right, Because we're in people don't know this, but
we're in kind of a rural areaand not in a metro.
You know we're not in a bigcity, so this is we're kind of a
backward area.
We kind of are yeah, so youknow no majors in hospitals or
you know, I mean, we have auniversity, but it's not a
advanced area at all.

Jessica (07:12):
So yeah, Well, on the where we went to see, yeah,
where we went to get tested,where we got him diagnosed, it
was part of it's part of theuniversity, I mean so yeah.
And so I was just like okay,because they kept telling me
well, you know, we they fill upreally fast and we've gotten

(07:32):
very lucky, um, with everything.
So like within two weeks theycalled and said hey, we had a
cancellation.
And I was like I don't care theday or the time, tell me and
we'll be there, yeah, so.
So then it was just kind offrom there, what did I need to
do?
You know, tell me what I needto do to help him thrive, what I

(07:58):
need to do to help him thrive.
We did pre preschool, we did inhome therapies, we did music.
Therapy was a huge help.
He loves music, so that was ahuge because anything could be
incorporated into that socialskills, your cognitive, all that
.

Palmi (08:09):
Well, we read in the research.
Once they have something thatthey enjoy, they turn to that to
teach them the other things.

Jessica (08:17):
They kind of use that to get ahead better and I really
think that's what helped a lotof his his talking right yeah,
just thinking back on myexperience in like school if I
was interested, I did well.

Kevin (08:35):
If I really didn't care to learn, say, mathematics, I
did just as well at it.

Palmi (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's just a human experience like that yeah.
And I know, when my dad had hisstroke he could not speak but
he could sing, and so I knowit's done like on the separate
sides of the brain too.

Jessica (08:54):
Yes, yeah, that was one thing that I always when people
are like you know what wassomething that you really
noticed.
But Landon to drink out of aregular cup, it took us probably
four months Because we, justour brain was not connecting.
But and that was at likeprobably four, about four or

(09:18):
five years old, but he couldtake apart Hot Wheels cars and
put them back together Modelcars, toys, and put them back
together.
He would take, he would seepictures of animals or flowers,
was a big one and he would gethis Hot Wheels card and he would
make it to that and it woulddang near match color and

(09:39):
everything.
Wow, and it's just like thebrain, yeah, but we're just we
can't get that cup to the mouthand take a drink, wow, so yeah,
Very neat.

Palmi (09:54):
So it's not necessarily that that's not there, it's just
their brains are wireddifferently, oh yeah, than the
typical atypical.

Kevin (10:02):
Atypical yeah.

Palmi (10:03):
Yeah, well, okay, so let's talk about school.
You said that there's quite afew resources in this area to
help you out.
Yes, how about school?

Jessica (10:14):
So school was a huge.
They gave me contact to any andeverybody.

Palmi (10:19):
Now, he went to Jackson.

Jessica (10:21):
Yep, he went to Jackson .
I can't say enough about theirspecial education program.

Palmi (10:27):
Did he go to the local one here?

Jessica (10:30):
He actually ended up going to South because we were
in town at the time.
Oh okay, yeah, but he had thesame teacher for pre-preschool,
preschool and then she ended upgoing into kindergarten, I
believe, with him Now did he goto a?

Palmi (10:45):
special ed class, or did he get incorporated into the
normal?

Jessica (10:50):
class.
So the way they do classes isso you have your I think they
call it functional now oressential skills Okay, yeah, I
don't know.
And that's your typically havetrouble communicating.
They need more one-on-one time.
And then you have yourself-contained.
That's going to be basicallyIEP kiddos that are in smaller

(11:13):
settings, so there's usuallyabout 12 to 15 kids in the class
.

Palmi (11:21):
Are we talking?
This is how they do this.
Um, the, the.
Uh.
What was the word that you weretalking about on the spectrum?

Jessica (11:25):
Oh yeah.

Palmi (11:25):
That's how they separate yeah.

Jessica (11:27):
Yeah, depending on on, depending Depending on needs the
academic needs and then thepersonal needs will kind of
depend placement, soself-contained, which is
typically where I work, no, isthat what you went back to
become a teacher.
Yeah, I graduate in Mayactually.
Oh, I heard yeah.

Palmi (11:44):
On Facebook.
I'm so proud of you.
Yes, it's terrifying.
I, yeah, I'm so proud of you.

Jessica (11:46):
Yes it's terrifying.
I'm like I feel like that's allI've done for so long.
So now I'm like I don't knowwhat to do when I'm done.
Right, yeah, go to school.

Palmi (11:54):
Right.
Will you then be able to goback into the program that you
learned through Landon?

Jessica (12:02):
Yes, so yeah.

Palmi (12:03):
I mean he's out of school now.

Jessica (12:09):
Will be out, will be, be, will be.
Yeah, but you'll still have allthose that knowledge that you
learned.
Yeah, and I'm actually going tobe teaching I believe, a
self-contained class.

Palmi (12:14):
See, that's perfect.
So yeah, all that knowledge andthat background, with learning
from him, yeah, he's.

Jessica (12:20):
He's taught me more than any book ever will like,
and I say that all the time.
Like he it's kind of, I mean,meant to be right, yeah and and
then I'm part of me like whydidn't you do this sooner?

Palmi (12:32):
You never know, do we?
Yeah, well, that's great, yeah,and so what's his plans for the
future?

Jessica (12:39):
So he's in his oh my gosh, his senior year.
I can't believe that kid'sgoing to graduate.

Palmi (12:44):
Yeah, I remember when he you told me that he was autistic
.
I don't remember when, but youtold he was on a.
Um, it was a halloweenhalloween, you said I said what
you know?
What kind of candy does he like?
You're like specifically, helikes gum, dum-dums, yes.

Jessica (12:59):
So every year from that point I had dum-dums for him,
like he got a bag of dum-dumsall by himself and he, even when
we like, if he doesn't dress up, he's like we gotta go over
there.

Palmi (13:09):
He knows, he knows we gotta go to.

Jessica (13:11):
Palmy's.

Palmi (13:12):
He always has the scariest costumes he does he
loves.

Jessica (13:16):
He loves scary movies.
His range of interest is just.
He's totally my kid.

Palmi (13:21):
I broke up, no, you're good, you're good, so.
So what's his plan?

Jessica (13:25):
So he's actually going to be.
He's learning actually todetail cars and work on cars.
He wants to work on cars withdad, oh yeah, so we're in the
process of doing that and then Ithink we're going to have him.
He's very, very good at doinghousework?

Palmi (13:44):
Is he detail-oriented, very detail-oriented?
Is that his thing?

Jessica (13:47):
If you tell him, okay, if you explain, I need it to
look.
If you say the way mom cleansand he's pretty like I gotcha, I
know what you mean there.
So he's pretty good at cleaning.
But you have to tell him like Iexpect it to be this clean,
right?
He's a typical teenager oh yeah, oh yeah.

Palmi (14:04):
He's gonna get away with only what he has to do.

Jessica (14:06):
Yeah, 100%.
Well, that's good, that'sreally good.

Palmi (14:10):
He's always been such a polite little boy.
Yeah, he's a young man now, butyeah, so that's his plan is to
get him back.

Jessica (14:16):
Yeah, he wants to work on cars.
Is John going to start a detail?
He's talking with work.
We're getting it in the worksto where he will actually be
working there.
He'll actually be working there.
He'll learn to do simple thingson the cars.
Okay, um because that is onething.
Once he knows it, he knows itright.
So he's.
He wants to work on cars andfix cars with dad.
That's what he wants to do, sowe're gonna split him between

(14:38):
that and then he's gonna do somein-home cleaning stuff for my
mom, just to, because he lovesgrandma.

Palmi (14:46):
So yeah, and so is it, and I don't know, in the future
will he be able to live on hisown?
Yeah, he's got enough.
Where on the spectrum is he?

Jessica (15:01):
So Landon is, and they have it so huge now.
I feel like when Landon wasinitially diagnosed, it was we
were at the lower functioning orhigher functioning and Landon
was considered higherfunctioning.
He's.
I would say he's probably likeeight to 10 years mentally

(15:25):
behind what he should be.
So by his late 20s I would belike, yeah, he can have a, Okay.
So by his late twenties I wouldbe like, yeah, he can have
place, Okay, Like I would feelgood about him doing that.
It's always an end goal.

Palmi (15:36):
And and in the spectrum they, they, uh, they continue to
get stronger or grow to thatage.
Or is there a point?

Jessica (15:44):
where they just stop.
It kind of depends, okay, um, ahuge part of why Landon has
made it as far as he has, orprogressed, is because we have
been very diligent with therepetition and keeping up.

Palmi (16:00):
He said, routine is so.

Jessica (16:01):
Oh, yes, yes, Routine is huge.
But at the same time, onceLandon got to a point where we
were like, okay, we have toprepare him that there's going
to be interruptions in the world.
And so you had another daughteryes, had a daughter.
Yes, we have to prepare himthat there's going to be
interruptions in the world.
And so you had another daughter.
Yes, had a daughter.
Yes, that had to have been huge.

Palmi (16:19):
Yeah, he was the baby for a long long time.

Jessica (16:21):
Oh yeah, that was.
I really expected him to have ahard time with that.
He actually it took him a whileto understand, but he's he acts
like he's so loving to.
Oh yeah, I mean, he'll tell you, my job is to protect her.

Palmi (16:36):
He'll tell you, yeah, like he's very proud of it
around on halloween and stuff,he's right.
Next oh, yeah, a littleprotection, you know squad, so
so I think he's uh adapted wellto that yeah, yeah, he's got the
routine down, yeah yeah, butthen, like my, my son had a baby
.

Jessica (16:50):
Our oldest, oh that's right had a baby and he was just
like.
I don't want any part of that.
It would be like high.

Palmi (16:57):
Well, it turned his routine off.
They moved in and changed thewhole aspect of it.

Jessica (17:01):
Yeah, he's also just not big about babies, like he's
just, it's over there, mom, andI'm like I know she's fine, but
now that she can walk and chasehim, he likes her.
Now he's fine, yeah, but nowthat she can walk and chase him.
He likes her now.
He talks to her now.

Kevin (17:19):
Well, I think that's it's probably typical for a teenage
boy.
Oh, what a man.

Palmi (17:22):
Yeah Well, and the attention's going somewhere else
other than him.

Kevin (17:25):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Palmi (17:26):
Yeah, but well, that's great.

Jessica (17:30):
I'm really happy to hear all that he's he's doing
really, really well.
I'm really proud of him he'she's overcome a lot.
I was talking about that theother day.
Um, I remember going to themall when he was like six or
seven and something set him offand so he's still.
He's not able to go.
Oh, that's really offending myeyesight, or you know, that
smells really offending me.

Palmi (17:51):
He still has that the century, since I can never say
this right the sensory stuff yes, yeah because kevin has the
brightness of the eyes.
He's literally his eyes um hurtif this, the sun's too bright
or the noise, he has anxiety,and so we bring along the noise

(18:12):
canceling canceling headphones.
So you probably do the samething.

Jessica (18:15):
Yeah.
Yeah, he's doing a lot betternow, but it took a lot to get us
here.

Palmi (18:21):
Learning from you, right yeah?
Or adjusting to him.

Jessica (18:25):
Yeah, we've got to figure out a different way to
let me know that you'reuncomfortable, right?

Palmi (18:29):
But yeah, he was in the mall, and communication-wise is
he better at that.

Jessica (18:32):
He's doing a lot better .
He will.
Sometimes he'll have trouble ifit's not something he usually
talks about or says.
He'll have trouble grabbingwords, but for the most part he
does really well.
He'll tell you like hey, howwas your day?
It was great, but it's usuallya pretty short.

Palmi (18:49):
Right.

Jessica (18:51):
Yeah.
The communication part is thehardest part, probably.
Yeah, yeah, he does, he does,he does really well.
Now, like I said, it does.
It takes a while to get there.
It takes that well,congratulations you as a parent,
I mean this is a huge thing foryeah, I the teachers always say
that and I'm always like I'mjust his cheerleader, like he's

(19:11):
doing it, I'm just thecheerleader.

Palmi (19:13):
I mean, you have to be there to get to this point.
Yeah, you know, yeah that's.

Jessica (19:18):
Yeah, he, the biggest thing is support.
Yeah, like hair taking.

Palmi (19:23):
Let me, let me tell you, I know, yeah, I mean, even
though it's someone that youlove, and do without.

Jessica (19:30):
It's a pain in the ass it can be a lot it could be.
I've had those days where I'mlike I'm going to take a shower,
nobody knock on the door, likejust I need five minutes.

Palmi (19:42):
Yeah, yes yeah, I get you .
Yeah, taking it is reallyreally harder than anybody ever
can imagine yes I went throughthat with my dad well, my mom
and then my dad, and and I'vebeen caretaking for Kevin for
about 30 years.
So, yeah, not 30 years, 25.
We've been married.
This will be our 30thanniversary.
This year.

Jessica (20:01):
Oh, my goodness.

Palmi (20:02):
Congratulations.
We just made reservations to goback to Hawaii, nice.
So we went to Hawaii on our15th anniversary and then we're
going back on our 30th.
We met in Hawaii.
Oh, I did not know that.
Yeah, we met in Hawaii.
So we're going to go back tothe scene of the crime, to the
scene of the crime, throw him inthe ocean that's what I would

(20:26):
call it.
Yeah, Well, thank you forsharing your story with us.
Yeah, Is there anything elsethat you would like to?

Jessica (20:33):
share.
I could talk about Landon allday.

Palmi (20:38):
Like yeah, Did we cover everything as far as the disease
?
Yeah, yeah, I mean other thanjust, like you said, those
personal.
Is there any advice that youcould give someone that was just
diagnosed?

Jessica (20:54):
um, don't be scared to get support.
And and don't don't stop.
Yeah, always ask for help,don't stop, don't be scared to
ask questions.

Palmi (21:04):
Sounds like you have a really large um support system.
Yes, your mom, yeah, we have a.

Jessica (21:09):
he has a huge support system between he's still got
his kindergarten teacher andsome of his first paras.
I still talk to them andthey're like, let us know when
graduation is, we're ready.
So it's just getting thatsupport group and then making
sure you utilize it is thebiggest.

Palmi (21:31):
It sounds like that's exactly what you did, Now that
you're going to be a supportgroup for someone else.
Yes's exactly what you did nowthat you're going to be a
support group for someone elseyes, that's what I'm hoping
you're going to pass it on.

Jessica (21:38):
Yes, that's amazing.
That's that's my goal is tojust thank you, yeah okay.

Palmi (21:43):
Well, thank you for joining us for our interview and
we'll see you as we wave.
Yeah, getting the mail.

Jessica (21:52):
All right, thank you, you're welcome.
Thanks again, thank you.

Kevin (21:56):
Do you have a problem with people contacting you if
they have questions?

Jessica (22:00):
No, no Okay.

Kevin (22:02):
How can they get in touch with you?

Jessica (22:05):
My email is and I can give it to you guys if you want
to post it.
It to you guys if you want topost it.
Yeah, um, but yeah, by email.
Um.
Jd simmers07 at gmail justemail me.

Kevin (22:24):
I'm happy to share any and all information.
So okay, great.
Um one other question doesanimal therapy play a part in
his education?

Jessica (22:35):
Animal.

Palmi (22:36):
Animal.

Jessica (22:36):
Animal yeah, landon's not fond of animals.
Yeah yeah, so we have two catsand a dog and he's aware that
they're in the house and he'lltell me if they're doing
something.
But if they try to, they try sohard to love him and he's like,
no, nope, um, the music therapywas the biggest, biggest thing

(22:59):
for him, um, and I was actuallysurprised because I didn't.
I was like it's gonna, he's notgonna like it, it's gonna be
loud and he loved it, loved itdrums.
Oh my gosh, oh really.
We bought him a drum set whenhe was smaller, wow, and he
would listen.
He was.
I have a video.
He's um john's playingmetallica one and landon's

(23:20):
listening and then trying tolike do it.
And then listening and tryingand I'm like he's not getting
them all, but he's getting somenotes over there.
So yeah, that is so weird inthe sound is the issue yeah, oh
yeah, he loves he's been toconcerts, he loves going to
concerts, wow yeah, what kind ofmusic is his favorite?

(23:41):
um.
So we're, we're rockers, yeah,so um.
His first concert was breakingbenjamin.
He loves breaking benjamin um,and he's he's?

Palmi (23:51):
does he wear um sound reducing or or something?

Jessica (23:54):
no, we take them.
We take them and he's, yeah, hedoes great, wow.
And then like, if I get, I likeif we're yelling, he's like mom
, stop.
Like they're singing.
And I'm like, okay, I'm sosorry, I didn't mean to damper
your experience.
Like, yeah, he loves going toconcerts.
And, um, we started doing thejackson concerts in the park

(24:17):
with the tribute bands.
Oh yeah, oh, my gosh loved it,did you do the queen?
One.
We did, yeah, we did queen.

Palmi (24:25):
He loves queen, yeah, loves queen he said it was a
really good one yeah, they've.

Jessica (24:29):
They've had all very, very good ones.
Really, yeah, they've all beenreally good.
The kids love going.
He's all about it.
But if you're singing too loudhe's going to be like they're
singing.

Palmi (24:38):
That's really rude, yeah, rude noise.

Jessica (24:41):
He'll hear a song and he'll come upstairs and be like,
do you remember that song theother day?
And I'm like no, and he'llstart humming it or he'll sing
it to me.

Palmi (24:51):
Is he a good singer or no ?

Jessica (24:53):
He can be.
He used to sing for me all thetime he doesn't now, so he
didn't join choir or anythinglike that no, oh, okay, no, I
tried.
I was like you could sing sogood and he's like, no, I'm not
doing that, Mom.
Oh, that's too bad.
That's too band.

Palmi (25:10):
Instantly, instantly.

Jessica (25:12):
Oh yeah, Especially real rock.
He knows he's like I know them,I know them.

Palmi (25:17):
See, that's his secret ability.

Jessica (25:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he loves it.

Palmi (25:21):
Yeah, that's great.
Any other questions?
No, nope.

Jessica (25:26):
Okay, okay, you're welcome, we'll see you next time
.
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