May 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Kevin and Palmi explore the complexities of diabetes management through a disability perspective, sharing personal experiences and discussing the newly recognized Type 5 diabetes linked to malnutrition.
• Different types of diabetes explained, including the rarely discussed pre-diabetic condition
• Managing diabetes through diet, especially increasing fiber intake to help regulate blood sugar
• Adapting exercise recommendations for people with mobility limitations
• How Kevin monitors blood sugar as someone with pre-diabetes
• The fascinating history of insulin discovery and how the scientists chose not to patent their life-saving discovery
• The newly classified Type 5 diabetes and its connection to malnutrition in developing countries
• Links between diabetes and other health conditions, including emerging research on dementia
• Practical strategies like proper water intake and stress management for better glucose control
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Kevin (00:00):
Welcome to our podcast.
When Life Gives you Lemons, I'mKevin.
Palmi (00:06):
And I'm Palmi.
We consider ourselvesdisability advocates and intend
to spotlight some disabilityissues and things we find
interesting that we frequentlyencounter when we're out and
about.
Also some history on disabilitythat we find interesting, Hello
.
Kevin (00:24):
Palmi.
Palmi (00:25):
Hey, kevin, welcome back.
Kevin (00:27):
And welcome back listeners.
Palmi (00:30):
It's been a while since we've both been on here.
Kevin (00:32):
Yeah, it is.
Palmi (00:34):
We've changed up our interviewing.
We've been adding someinterviews instead of just us
talking for a while.
We wanted to see if we couldchange up the um, the way we've
been doing it.
I think people have respondedwell to it, you think so don't
you think?
Kevin (00:52):
well, I know this, that the episodes where you interview
Paul, who has a really goodvoice for this sort of thing,
the episode numbers are higher.
Palmi (01:06):
Oh good, and I think the story content was good too.
With Maria, people enjoyed thestory Right.
Kevin (01:14):
Hers was more entertaining than his was.
His was kind of dry material.
Yeah, but he speaks really witha good voice.
Palmi (01:26):
For recording.
Yeah, yeah it might have been awhile since Change for Listners
.
So what's our subject today?
Kevin (01:38):
Well, we're actually going to spend a little bit
talking about diabetes.
Palmi (01:44):
And that kind of comes close to ours.
We have several family membersthat have diabetes in our family
.
Kevin (01:50):
I am just to set the record straight.
I am pre-diabetic, which is adiabetic condition.
If you look up diabetes, itwill not be on there.
What it means is your levelsare above normal, but below type
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2.
Palmi (02:11):
But doctors are treating you with diabetic medicines.
Kevin (02:15):
Yes.
Palmi (02:16):
And you do have to watch your diet, and we'll talk later
about what you can do to work onyour diabetes.
One thing they recommend isexercise, but that is in your
case.
You're not able to do that.
Kevin (02:32):
Yeah, everybody who's listening to this podcast is
going to be in a bit of adifferent situation.
There's no one thing foreverybody.
Some people are going to be inwheelchair a lot more active
than people on two feet.
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So it's hard to say exercise.
What that really means when youbreak it down is weight control
.
If you're obviously overweight,it's going to contribute to
your likelihood for diabetes.
So watch what you eat and whatyou can't.
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Be as active as you want to be.
Palmi (03:26):
Want to be?
Okay, well, let's get down tothe nitty gritty.
So when you say diabetes,diabetes is a chronic health
condition that affects how yourbody processes blood sugars,
which is glucose, and there areseveral different types.
We're familiar with type one,which is the autoimmune
condition where the body attacksthe insulin producing cells in
the pancreas.
It often starts in childhood oradolescence.
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Now my brother-in-law has thatand he has type 1, but he did
not find out he had type 1 untilhe was almost in his 30s.
So that's not always true, andhe is insulin dependent at this
point.
Now there's also type twodiabetes, which is the most
common, where the body becomesresistant to insulin or doesn't
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produce enough of it.
It's often linked to lifestyle,like Kevin said, factors
meaning that you're gainingweight or you're not eating
properly.
The third is gestationaldiabetes, which occurs during
pregnancy and usually resolvesitself after childbirth,
although it increases the riskof developing type 2 diabetes
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later.
Pre-diabetic is a conditionwhere the blood sugar levels are
higher than normal, but nothigh enough to be classified as
the diabetic, but not highenough to be classified as the
diabetic.
Now, they tested me when I waspregnant with Rose, they tested
me for gestational diabetes andit's the worst test in the whole
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world.
You have to take this hugeamount of sugar liquid the most
disgusting thing you've evertasted and you have to get it
down within a certain amount oftime.
And then they test your bloodafter that and I remember being
just terrible and I did not haveit, but they said I later did
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because of my weight gain afterpregnancy.
I did end up with type 2diabetes, but after I lost the
103 pounds I am no longerdiabetic.
So there you go.
That's that connection betweenweight loss and diabetes.
Kevin (05:30):
And we have a very unusual situation here where we
actually discovered orrecategorized a different kind
of hard to describe.
It's called type 5 diabetes.
It's a new addition to thediabetes factor family and it's
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basically hypoglycemic only.
So even though you're diabeticwhich in the case of type 1 to
type 2, you're by your bloodsugar numbers being high there
are devoid to manage those andtype 5 diabetes.
Your numbers are low, you don'thave enough blood sugar, which
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is like a different way ofmanaging it.
Palmi (06:30):
That's linked to malnutrition and we'll talk
about that later.
Kevin (06:35):
Yeah, I just wanted to throw it out there, so we talked
about all the different types.
Right, I get it.
And if you happen to go on theinternet and look up diabetes,
depending on when the article iswritten, that data if it
doesn't include type 5, it justwas put in there this month, so
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you just look at something thatwas last month or earlier.
Palmi (07:07):
Now.
The symptoms can includeincreased thirst frequency,
urinating fatigue, blurredvision, and managing diabetes
includes a combination ofmedication, lifestyle changes
and regular monitoring of theblood sugar levels.
We talked about adapting abalanced diet, so that's one
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thing we work on for yourpre-diabetic is focusing on
whole foods.
Kevin (07:40):
And it's very difficult when you're pre-diabetic,
because you're not a diabeticper se.
You can't get a prescriptionfor what's called a continuous
glucose monitor, so you'realways forgetting the rumor and
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guessing, if it's too high, whatit was you're eating that
caused that.
Palmi (08:07):
Right, you don't get immediate feedback based on the
food that you're eating, right,right?
So if you focus on whole foodslike vegetables, fruits, lean
proteins and whole grains, limitthe processed foods.
Limit your sugary drinks, yourhigh carbon carbohydrate snacks.
Eat foods rich in fiber, whichhelps slow down the sugar
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absorptions, and so examples of,and increase your fiber, which
is a key in this, which includesveggies, fruits, nuts and seeds
, legumes and grains.
And looking, when I was lookingup this thing about fiber,
because they stressed out thatthe more fiber you get in your
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diet, the better you're able tomaintain your sugar and it said
that less than 10% of Americansget enough fiber Can you guess
how much fiber is recommendedfor the average American?
Kevin (09:06):
No idea.
Palmi (09:07):
They recommended 28 grams of fiber.
Kevin (09:10):
Oh gosh.
Palmi (09:11):
So they took an example of a banana, which is a fruit
that they recommended, and youwould have to eat 28 bananas to
eat to get enough fiber of 28grams of fiber.
Other vegetables I recommendedwas broccoli Broccoli.
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You'd have to eat four heads ofbroccoli.
So that's an extreme amount ofI mean I don't think it'd be
very hard for someone to getthat without adding some type of
added supplement in there.
Kevin (09:48):
Which is in these days entirely possible.
Palmi (09:52):
Right.
So what we've done is we'veadded Miralax to your coffee in
the morning, correct, and thatadds 8 to 10, just one scoop of
Miralax adds eight to ten gramsof fiber in the morning, right
away, and then whatever fruitsand vegetables and lean meats
and stuff like that to yourfiber.
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But they stress that fiber isreally what helps reduce those
sugars.
We talked about stayingphysically active and they said
aim for at least 150 minutes ofmoderate exercise per week, such
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as a brisk walk, swim orcycling.
But I imagine, like being in awheelchair, they have those
steppers that you could moveyour legs.
Kevin (10:41):
Yeah, my only problem is I have this weird wonky left
hand that is not going to allowme to do a lot of exercises.
So it's all going to, like Isay, depend on who you are, what
the problems you have are, etc.
(11:02):
Presently I done exactly zeroany exercises that will not hurt
my hand.
Palmi (11:12):
Right, we're trying to eliminate any stress that would
hurt your hand.
Kevin's going to be going hereinto surgery at the end of May
to have his wrist repaired fromseveral falls that he's had, so
we're going to try to stay awayfrom any strenuous exercise to
keep his hand pretty muchimmobile until we can get it
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fixed.
They also said to incorporatestrength training twice a week
to build muscle and improveinsulin sensitivity.
The way Kevin was able to stayout of his wheelchair for almost
12 years was to stay active,and he did a martial arts class
once or twice a week in order tokeep those muscles and
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everything's firing.
So that is something that wouldhelp, depending on where you
are in your recovery disabilityyour situation.
Yeah, we talked aboutmaintaining a healthy weight.
L just five to seven percent ofyour body weight can
significantly reduce theprogression of type 2 diabetes
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and we talked previously.
I lost that 103 pounds and I amno longer diabetic.
My glucose levels are right inthe normal range and I eat the
same thing kevin eats prettymuch.
I eat a little more proteinthan Kevin does.
I had a sleeve and so I can'tprocess as much.
I don't absorb as much proteinthat I digest as he does, so I
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take supplements and stuff likethat to get extra protein.
Otherwise my hair falls out andstuff like that and I need it
for muscle and I do exercise, soI need that additional protein
for those muscle building.
Get adequate sleep.
Prioritize seven to eight hoursof quality sleep per night to
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support hormone balances andblood sugar regulation.
And, of course, always avoidsmoking and limit your alcohol.
And, of course, always avoidsmoking and limit your alcohol.
Smoking can inhibit insulinresistance and excess alcohol
consumption can disrupt bloodsugar control.
Kevin (13:23):
That is because typically a lot of alcoholic drinks have
sugar in them as part of theirfermentation or flavoring
properties.
Some alcohol is worse thanothers, but just like some
vegetables are better thanothers to eat.
Palmi (13:46):
And just so you know where you are at in your sugar
levels, you should monitor them.
Regular check-ins with yourhealthcare provider can keep
track of that.
But there's also Kevin monitorshis.
Is it two or three times a week?
Twice, twice a week.
Kevin (14:02):
Yeah.
Palmi (14:02):
Yeah.
Kevin (14:03):
And just for the record, this year I've been using the
video to advertise our upcomingepisodes.
I'll do a sugar test and all ofyou guys that are listening
will know why and yes, I'mclumsy, I drop things.
I throw them in the air byaccident.
(14:26):
It should be entertaining.
Palmi (14:31):
You don't have to pay extra for that.
Kevin (14:33):
No, that's a freebie.
Palmi (14:36):
So diabetes is linked to several other health conditions.
It's often times when you getdiabetes it leads to other
diseases.
It's a complex web ofinteractions and these are
notable correlations for, likecardiovascular disease, diabetes
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significantly increases therisk of heart disease and stroke
due to the impact of bloodvessels and cholesterol levels.
Kidney disease, of course,because high blood sugar levels
can damage kidneys over time andlead to diabetic neuropathy.
Eye conditions Diabetes cancause diabetic neuropathy,
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cataracts, glaucoma andpotential lead to vision loss.
Mental health there is arelationship between diabetes
and mental health conditions.
Because of depression andanxiety, measuring diabetes can
be stressful.
Mental health challenges canaffect the blood sugar control.
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Nerve damage Diabeticneuropathy is a common
complication, causing pain,numbness and weakness,
especially in the extremities.
I know there's quite a fewpeople that have had.
My mom was one of them.
She was diabetic for a verylong time and they were always
threatening to cut off her toesbecause she had no feeling in
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them and that's just horrible tothink about.
I know there's a lot of peoplethat have their toes removed
because of it.
Obesity and metabolic syndromethese conditions often coexist
with diabetes, creating a cycleof insulin resistance and
further health complications.
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A fascinating journey ofscientific discovery and medical
breakthroughs.
In 1889, a researcher, oskarMineski and Joseph van Meering
discovered that removing thepancreas from dogs caused
diabetes, linking the pancreasto blood sugar regulations.
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The discovery of insulin in1921 from Frederick Banning and
Charles Best successfullyextracted insulin from a dog's
pancreas.
This marked a turning point indiabetes treatments.
The first human use in 1922 wasa 14-year-old boy named Leonard
Thomas, who became the firstperson to receive insulin
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injections.
His blood sugar levels droppeddramatically and saved his life.
Mass production shortly afterits discovery, pharmaceutical
companies began to produceinsulin in large scales, making
it widely available to patients.
Modern advancements over theyears insulin has evolved from
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animal-derived extracts tosynthetics and genetically
engineered forms, improving itssafety and effectiveness.
Insulin discovery has savedcountless lives and remained one
of the most significant medicaladvancements in the 20th
century.
Kevin (18:00):
Fun fact, the two scientists that discovered
insulin and saved the boy's lifedid not patent it.
They decided, for the greatergood of all men, that they would
just give this to the world andnot profit from it.
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The patent was, however,shortly thereafter grabbed by
pharmaceutical companies, whichis why the price of insulin has
been going up over the years, tothe point where they profit
greatly from it.
I think one of the things thatPresident Biden did was allow
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Medicare to negotiate the price.
I think insulin was the firstgroup of drugs they could
negotiate for, so it sounds like$35 a month versus like $1,000.
Palmi (19:09):
Medicaid coverage varies by state so it's best to check,
if you're in Missouri, theMedicare or Medicaid policies
and speak with your localpharmacy or health care provider
.
I know our local pharmaciesprovide kits free of charge.
In most cases it's at noout-of-pocket expenses as long
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as the cgm meets the coveragerequirement uh, the cgm is
something you have to have aprescription for what does cgm
stand for?
Kevin (19:44):
continuous glucose monitor oh, I see so for example
, if I had, I'd know right awayif I ate something that was
causing my sugar to go higherthan normal.
Palmi (19:58):
Oh.
Because it's not like have youlooked into the VA to see if
they would cover it?
Kevin (20:05):
Medicaid doesn't.
Okay in Missouri, so I don'tknow Medicare does though.
But uh, again, I wouldn't havea prescription because I'm
pre-diabetic.
Palmi (20:21):
so but you know, I've seen on some uh web facebook
pages where they actually youdon't have to be a diabetic, you
can just it's a lot of fitness.
Uh, there's one for like afitness people that want to know
what their blood sugar levelsare and stuff like that.
I wonder how much that would be.
Kevin (20:38):
You can't do that with continuous glucose monitors like
a Dexcom or Freestyle Libre.
I think the monitors they'retalking about are the ones that
are like, not as invasive, andnot as accurate, For example,
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the Fitbits or health-orientedwatches you can wear.
Some of them have a bloodglucose monitor on it.
Palmi (21:13):
Yeah, mine does, my Apple does.
Kevin (21:15):
Yeah, I don't know how accurate it is, though it's just
not as accurate as, say, a uh,when you break your figure and
you actually get the blood yeah,glucose monitor to check your
glucose level so the the newestthing I've been seeing on this
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um media is the link betweendiabetes and dementia.
Palmi (21:39):
Have you seen that?
I have heard about it, but sothere are studies that link a
strong it has a strong linkbetween diabetes, particularly
type 2 diabetes, and theincrease of developing dementia,
including Alzheimer's andvascular dementia, because of
the blood vessel damage thatdiabetes causes and also the
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damage that it causes increasedrisk of stroke, which also
increases dementia issues.
So they're investigating thatnow.
Insolent resistance in thebrain can affect brain cell
abilities to use the sugar forenergy, potentially leading to
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brain cell dysfunction anddamage and increasing the risk
of Alzheimer's disease and otherdementias.
In most cases, with thediabetes you also have high
cholesterol and high bloodpressure, which are also links
to the high dementia.
Those are all high incidencesthat increase.
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Because they probably affectyour cardiovascular system
Correct, which then affects yourbrain.
So same thing.
It's recommended a healthierlifestyle engaging in physical
activity, eating a balanced dietand getting enough sleep and
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managing your stress would helplower the dementia risks.
I didn't realize there was alink between that and it's just
been being released lately thatthere is that Now.
You were talking at thebeginning about the new type 5
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diabetes Correct, so you saidthat it was most recent and it
is in the Diabetic Foundation,idf, the World Diabetic Congress
in 2025 in Bangkok, thailand.
The IDF President, peterSchwartz, announced the launch
of a working group to develop aformal diagnostic criteria and
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therapeutic guidelines for atype of diabetes linked to the
malnutrition that was formerlyclassified as type 5 diabetes
during the international meetingof experts in India earlier
this year.
The working group is alsoestablishing a global research
registration and developingeducational models to train
health care professionals, andthat seems to be more linked in
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third world countries.
Kevin (24:16):
Yeah, I could see why I would imagine that might be a
big consideration.
Seeing a developing countrywhere part of your diet is
interrupted, it's probablyreally important.
There are certain items that goalong with the aid you may get
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to ease your starvation.
Palmi (24:45):
Well, I think a lot of that.
It does have protein in it, buta lot of it they depend on is
carbs, is a massive amount ofcarbs to keep them full and
their bellies full.
It is estimated that between 20to 25 million people worldwide,
primarily in areas such as Asiaand Africa, that it's affecting
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those people.
It marks a potential movementin the understanding of diabetes
and how the condition affectslean and malnutrition teens and
young adults in low or mediumincome countries.
The concept of type 5 diabetesrefers to severe insulin
deficient diabetes SIDDcharacterized by elevated levels
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of insulin deficiency and poormetabolic control.
Unlike type 2 diabetes, type 5diabetes, also known as
malnutrition-related diabetes,is commonly caused by a chronic
undernutrition, especiallyduring childhood or adolescence.
Type 1 diabetes is the resultof an autoimmune deficiency of
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insulin-producing cells.
Type 2 diabetes ischaracterized by the body's
inability to use the insulin itproduces.
But type 5 diabetes isdistinctive it is believed to
stem from the impairedpancreatic development during a
long-term nutrition deficiency.
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Although type 5 diabetes hasbeen observed over seven years,
it has been largely overlookedin the global health discussion.
The condition was first notedin the mid-20th century and
often miscategorized as type 1or type 2 diabetes.
Previous prevailed theoriessuggested the condition
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developed due to insulinresistance.
In the recent years, newlyresearched new route led by Dr
Hawkins confirmed this distancemetabolic profile.
People with type 5 diabetes areinsulin deficient but not
insulin resistant.
Many may be able to maintaintheir diabetes with oral
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medicine rather than theinjections of insulin.
Given that type 5 diabetes ismostly found in low resource
settings, this cost-effectiveapproach can prove important in
regions already struggling totackle the rising number of
people living with thatcondition.
The recognition of type 5diabetes marks a historical
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shift in how we approachdiabetes globally.
For too long, the condition hasgone unrecognized, affecting
millions of people and deprivingthem of the access to adapted
care.
With the launch of type 5diabetes working group, we are
talking decisive steps tocorrect this.
This is about equality, scienceand saving lives.
Kevin (27:50):
It's too bad, we can't get all the people with.
Type 1 or UC extra insulinbeing produced by Type 5
diabetics and problem solved?
Palmi (28:04):
I don't think it works that way, Kevin.
Kevin (28:06):
You're right.
Palmi (28:08):
Good use of resources though.
So our plan for you and theother thing, when researching
this, we've done a lot ofresearch based because it
affects us, so we've done a lotof research on this it us, so
we've done a lot of research onthis.
It also has a lot to do withthe water that you drink.
I think right now we'refighting numbers.
We were down really good to 112, 110, something like that about
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two months ago.
A lot is stress-oriented too.
His mom is fighting cancer andthere's been a lot of stress in
your life lately, so I thinkthat has a lot to do with it.
But I think you've stoppeddrinking as much water as you
used to.
So they say you should drinkthe many as the ounces should be
half your weight, so you weigh.
Kevin (28:56):
What did they say?
You weighed your last one 155.
Palmi (28:58):
So you should.
So what's half of 150?
Kevin (29:04):
75.
Palmi (29:05):
So you should drink 75 ounces a day.
Do you drink 75 ounces a day?
Kevin (29:10):
How big are these water jugs?
30.
Close to that, I drink two.
Palmi (29:17):
That's 60.
Kevin (29:18):
At least 2 and change, the way I put it.
Palmi (29:23):
Yeah, so you think you're making your 70?
.
Kevin (29:29):
I think I'm probably a little less than 70, but it's
darn close.
Palmi (29:35):
So that should be.
Our goal is to work towards thefull 75.
Yeah, I know that's.
The hardest thing for me to dois drink water.
I don't like water.
Before I got onto this weight,my weight thing I don't think I
ever drank a glass of water onits own.
I didn't like soda, but I woulddrink iced tea or not sweetened
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.
Because I'm not a southerner, Idrink my tea like it should be
drank, not sweet iced tea or notsweetened because I'm not a
southerner.
Kevin (30:06):
I drink my tea like it should be drank, sweet, it
should be drank sweet dear.
No, it shouldn't, yes it should.
Palmi (30:10):
You can't taste the taste of tea.
Kevin (30:12):
Listeners, don't let anybody tell you you shouldn't
drink sweet tea.
Palmi (30:17):
Come on, northerners, let's go.
Let's vote for unsweet tea witha little lemon.
Anyways, that's our struggles.
If life gives you lemon, makelemonade.
We'll go with lemonade, let'sdo lemonade.
Kevin (30:32):
Unfortunately, lemonade has a lot of sugar in it too.
Palmi (30:36):
We're using monk fruit.
Kevin (30:39):
Yeah, I read somewhere that using artificial sweeteners
is bad for you, but I didn'tread the article.
Monk fruit is all natural andit doesn't.
Well, I think, what does?
Stevia gets bitter when youcook with it.
Palmi (31:00):
Yeah, I don't like stevia , but you know I grow that.
I grow it in my garden and whenI use it straight, when I just
pick it a leaf and I eat theleaf or I put it in my drink,
straight into the drink it isnot bitter.
But if I process it, grind itup or let it dry out and grind
it up, then it does get bitter.
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I don't understand thecorrelation there, but I don't
know why it gets bitter, but itdoes.
But if I eat it straight out ofthe garden it's not bitter.
Must be the processing thatmakes it bitter.
I don't know.
Kevin (31:35):
I really couldn't tell you that much.
I've had stevia with monk fruitstuff.
It's fun.
Yeah, I just tried to think ofwhat.
Palmi (31:50):
It's really hard to find monk fruit that doesn't have
other stuff in it, though whatit's hard to find just monk
fruit without.
They've always add differentsweeteners in there.
Kevin (32:03):
Yeah, I'm guessing that again, this is a wild guess, so
don't crucify me over this.
But you see, diet sodas aresupposed to be saccharin-free
and Sucrose no, what's the otherone?
Artificial sweetener.
They're supposed to besaccharin-free and Sucrose no,
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what's the other one?
Artificial sweetener Saccharin,and they replace saccharin with
this other one.
Palmi (32:29):
Yeah, I forget what it's called.
It starts with an X.
Nutra-sweet, yeah the X.
Kevin (32:35):
But they would I imagine these stevia now.
Palmi (32:44):
No, there's very few that have stevia in it.
There is one brand that doeshave stevia in it, but it didn't
taste good.
I tried it and didn't tastegood.
But you, you do the probioticsodas poppy and that has a few
that does have real sugar in it,but a very few amounts, like
under five grams.
It's kind of like flavored sodawater.
Kevin (33:07):
Really Right If you're expecting the grape flavored
poppies to taste like grape soda, grape feta, whatever you call
it, it's just not going to bethe same, it's got, not gonna be
the same.
But it has no sugar in iteither, because they don't add a
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whole lot of flavoring to it.
Palmi (33:33):
And it's probiotic, so it helps your gut too.
Alright, are we done for thisweek?
Kevin (33:42):
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Ke (34:56):
Wwwwhenlifegivesyoulemonsnet .
Wwwwhenlifegivesyoulemonsnet.
Palmi (35:00):
And you also have a Facebook page now.
Yeah, but I don't know the URL.
Kevin (35:06):
You can go from my page to that page if you want, but
I'll make sure to get a scrap ofpaper from me with that next
time so I can let you know whatthe URL is.
Palmi (35:21):
Okay, see you next time.
Kevin (35:23):
Bye, everybody, and remember to make lemonade out of
all those lemons you have todeal with.
Palmi (35:32):
Hey y'all it's Kevin.
Kevin (35:34):
I want to ask you for a favor.
Palmi's out in the backyard soI can talk without her
interrupting me.
I have a super secret slashhomework assignment for you
Sweet tea or unsweet tea.
Thanks, till next episode.
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Take those lemons and make yourown lemonade.
Welcome to our podcast.
When Life Gives you Lemons, I'mKevin.
Palmi (00:06):
And I'm Palmi.
We consider ourselvesdisability advocates and intend
to spotlight some disabilityissues and things we find
interesting that we frequentlyencounter when we're out and
about.
Also some history on disabilitythat we find interesting, Hello
.
Kevin (00:24):
Palmi.
Palmi (00:25):
Hey, kevin, welcome back.
Kevin (00:27):
And welcome back listeners.
Palmi (00:30):
It's been a while since we've both been on here.
Kevin (00:32):
Yeah, it is.
Palmi (00:34):
We've changed up our interviewing.
We've been adding someinterviews instead of just us
talking for a while.
We wanted to see if we couldchange up the um, the way we've
been doing it.
I think people have respondedwell to it, you think so don't
you think?
Kevin (00:52):
well, I know this, that the episodes where you interview
Paul, who has a really goodvoice for this sort of thing,
the episode numbers are higher.
Palmi (01:06):
Oh good, and I think the story content was good too.
With Maria, people enjoyed thestory Right.
Kevin (01:14):
Hers was more entertaining than his was.
His was kind of dry material.
Yeah, but he speaks really witha good voice.
Palmi (01:26):
For recording.
Yeah, yeah it might have been awhile since Change for Listners
.
So what's our subject today?
Kevin (01:38):
Well, we're actually going to spend a little bit
talking about diabetes.
Palmi (01:44):
And that kind of comes close to ours.
We have several family membersthat have diabetes in our family
.
Kevin (01:50):
I am just to set the record straight.
I am pre-diabetic, which is adiabetic condition.
If you look up diabetes, itwill not be on there.
What it means is your levelsare above normal, but below type
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2.
Palmi (02:11):
But doctors are treating you with diabetic medicines.
Kevin (02:15):
Yes.
Palmi (02:16):
And you do have to watch your diet, and we'll talk later
about what you can do to work onyour diabetes.
One thing they recommend isexercise, but that is in your
case.
You're not able to do that.
Kevin (02:32):
Yeah, everybody who's listening to this podcast is
going to be in a bit of adifferent situation.
There's no one thing foreverybody.
Some people are going to be inwheelchair a lot more active
than people on two feet.
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So it's hard to say exercise.
What that really means when youbreak it down is weight control
.
If you're obviously overweight,it's going to contribute to
your likelihood for diabetes.
So watch what you eat and whatyou can't.
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Be as active as you want to be.
Palmi (03:26):
Want to be?
Okay, well, let's get down tothe nitty gritty.
So when you say diabetes,diabetes is a chronic health
condition that affects how yourbody processes blood sugars,
which is glucose, and there areseveral different types.
We're familiar with type one,which is the autoimmune
condition where the body attacksthe insulin producing cells in
the pancreas.
It often starts in childhood oradolescence.
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Now my brother-in-law has thatand he has type 1, but he did
not find out he had type 1 untilhe was almost in his 30s.
So that's not always true, andhe is insulin dependent at this
point.
Now there's also type twodiabetes, which is the most
common, where the body becomesresistant to insulin or doesn't
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produce enough of it.
It's often linked to lifestyle,like Kevin said, factors
meaning that you're gainingweight or you're not eating
properly.
The third is gestationaldiabetes, which occurs during
pregnancy and usually resolvesitself after childbirth,
although it increases the riskof developing type 2 diabetes
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later.
Pre-diabetic is a conditionwhere the blood sugar levels are
higher than normal, but nothigh enough to be classified as
the diabetic, but not highenough to be classified as the
diabetic.
Now, they tested me when I waspregnant with Rose, they tested
me for gestational diabetes andit's the worst test in the whole
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world.
You have to take this hugeamount of sugar liquid the most
disgusting thing you've evertasted and you have to get it
down within a certain amount oftime.
And then they test your bloodafter that and I remember being
just terrible and I did not haveit, but they said I later did
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because of my weight gain afterpregnancy.
I did end up with type 2diabetes, but after I lost the
103 pounds I am no longerdiabetic.
So there you go.
That's that connection betweenweight loss and diabetes.
Kevin (05:30):
And we have a very unusual situation here where we
actually discovered orrecategorized a different kind
of hard to describe.
It's called type 5 diabetes.
It's a new addition to thediabetes factor family and it's
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basically hypoglycemic only.
So even though you're diabeticwhich in the case of type 1 to
type 2, you're by your bloodsugar numbers being high there
are devoid to manage those andtype 5 diabetes.
Your numbers are low, you don'thave enough blood sugar, which
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is like a different way ofmanaging it.
Palmi (06:30):
That's linked to malnutrition and we'll talk
about that later.
Kevin (06:35):
Yeah, I just wanted to throw it out there, so we talked
about all the different types.
Right, I get it.
And if you happen to go on theinternet and look up diabetes,
depending on when the article iswritten, that data if it
doesn't include type 5, it justwas put in there this month, so
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you just look at something thatwas last month or earlier.
Palmi (07:07):
Now.
The symptoms can includeincreased thirst frequency,
urinating fatigue, blurredvision, and managing diabetes
includes a combination ofmedication, lifestyle changes
and regular monitoring of theblood sugar levels.
We talked about adapting abalanced diet, so that's one
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thing we work on for yourpre-diabetic is focusing on
whole foods.
Kevin (07:40):
And it's very difficult when you're pre-diabetic,
because you're not a diabeticper se.
You can't get a prescriptionfor what's called a continuous
glucose monitor, so you'realways forgetting the rumor and
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guessing, if it's too high, whatit was you're eating that
caused that.
Palmi (08:07):
Right, you don't get immediate feedback based on the
food that you're eating, right,right?
So if you focus on whole foodslike vegetables, fruits, lean
proteins and whole grains, limitthe processed foods.
Limit your sugary drinks, yourhigh carbon carbohydrate snacks.
Eat foods rich in fiber, whichhelps slow down the sugar
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absorptions, and so examples of,and increase your fiber, which
is a key in this, which includesveggies, fruits, nuts and seeds
, legumes and grains.
And looking, when I was lookingup this thing about fiber,
because they stressed out thatthe more fiber you get in your
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diet, the better you're able tomaintain your sugar and it said
that less than 10% of Americansget enough fiber Can you guess
how much fiber is recommendedfor the average American?
Kevin (09:06):
No idea.
Palmi (09:07):
They recommended 28 grams of fiber.
Kevin (09:10):
Oh gosh.
Palmi (09:11):
So they took an example of a banana, which is a fruit
that they recommended, and youwould have to eat 28 bananas to
eat to get enough fiber of 28grams of fiber.
Other vegetables I recommendedwas broccoli Broccoli.
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You'd have to eat four heads ofbroccoli.
So that's an extreme amount ofI mean I don't think it'd be
very hard for someone to getthat without adding some type of
added supplement in there.
Kevin (09:48):
Which is in these days entirely possible.
Palmi (09:52):
Right.
So what we've done is we'veadded Miralax to your coffee in
the morning, correct, and thatadds 8 to 10, just one scoop of
Miralax adds eight to ten gramsof fiber in the morning, right
away, and then whatever fruitsand vegetables and lean meats
and stuff like that to yourfiber.
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But they stress that fiber isreally what helps reduce those
sugars.
We talked about stayingphysically active and they said
aim for at least 150 minutes ofmoderate exercise per week, such
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as a brisk walk, swim orcycling.
But I imagine, like being in awheelchair, they have those
steppers that you could moveyour legs.
Kevin (10:41):
Yeah, my only problem is I have this weird wonky left
hand that is not going to allowme to do a lot of exercises.
So it's all going to, like Isay, depend on who you are, what
the problems you have are, etc.
(11:02):
Presently I done exactly zeroany exercises that will not hurt
my hand.
Palmi (11:12):
Right, we're trying to eliminate any stress that would
hurt your hand.
Kevin's going to be going hereinto surgery at the end of May
to have his wrist repaired fromseveral falls that he's had, so
we're going to try to stay awayfrom any strenuous exercise to
keep his hand pretty muchimmobile until we can get it
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fixed.
They also said to incorporatestrength training twice a week
to build muscle and improveinsulin sensitivity.
The way Kevin was able to stayout of his wheelchair for almost
12 years was to stay active,and he did a martial arts class
once or twice a week in order tokeep those muscles and
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everything's firing.
So that is something that wouldhelp, depending on where you
are in your recovery disabilityyour situation.
Yeah, we talked aboutmaintaining a healthy weight.
L just five to seven percent ofyour body weight can
significantly reduce theprogression of type 2 diabetes
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and we talked previously.
I lost that 103 pounds and I amno longer diabetic.
My glucose levels are right inthe normal range and I eat the
same thing kevin eats prettymuch.
I eat a little more proteinthan Kevin does.
I had a sleeve and so I can'tprocess as much.
I don't absorb as much proteinthat I digest as he does, so I
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take supplements and stuff likethat to get extra protein.
Otherwise my hair falls out andstuff like that and I need it
for muscle and I do exercise, soI need that additional protein
for those muscle building.
Get adequate sleep.
Prioritize seven to eight hoursof quality sleep per night to
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support hormone balances andblood sugar regulation.
And, of course, always avoidsmoking and limit your alcohol.
And, of course, always avoidsmoking and limit your alcohol.
Smoking can inhibit insulinresistance and excess alcohol
consumption can disrupt bloodsugar control.
Kevin (13:23):
That is because typically a lot of alcoholic drinks have
sugar in them as part of theirfermentation or flavoring
properties.
Some alcohol is worse thanothers, but just like some
vegetables are better thanothers to eat.
Palmi (13:46):
And just so you know where you are at in your sugar
levels, you should monitor them.
Regular check-ins with yourhealthcare provider can keep
track of that.
But there's also Kevin monitorshis.
Is it two or three times a week?
Twice, twice a week.
Kevin (14:02):
Yeah.
Palmi (14:02):
Yeah.
Kevin (14:03):
And just for the record, this year I've been using the
video to advertise our upcomingepisodes.
I'll do a sugar test and all ofyou guys that are listening
will know why and yes, I'mclumsy, I drop things.
I throw them in the air byaccident.
(14:26):
It should be entertaining.
Palmi (14:31):
You don't have to pay extra for that.
Kevin (14:33):
No, that's a freebie.
Palmi (14:36):
So diabetes is linked to several other health conditions.
It's often times when you getdiabetes it leads to other
diseases.
It's a complex web ofinteractions and these are
notable correlations for, likecardiovascular disease, diabetes
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significantly increases therisk of heart disease and stroke
due to the impact of bloodvessels and cholesterol levels.
Kidney disease, of course,because high blood sugar levels
can damage kidneys over time andlead to diabetic neuropathy.
Eye conditions Diabetes cancause diabetic neuropathy,
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cataracts, glaucoma andpotential lead to vision loss.
Mental health there is arelationship between diabetes
and mental health conditions.
Because of depression andanxiety, measuring diabetes can
be stressful.
Mental health challenges canaffect the blood sugar control.
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Nerve damage Diabeticneuropathy is a common
complication, causing pain,numbness and weakness,
especially in the extremities.
I know there's quite a fewpeople that have had.
My mom was one of them.
She was diabetic for a verylong time and they were always
threatening to cut off her toesbecause she had no feeling in
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them and that's just horrible tothink about.
I know there's a lot of peoplethat have their toes removed
because of it.
Obesity and metabolic syndromethese conditions often coexist
with diabetes, creating a cycleof insulin resistance and
further health complications.
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A fascinating journey ofscientific discovery and medical
breakthroughs.
In 1889, a researcher, oskarMineski and Joseph van Meering
discovered that removing thepancreas from dogs caused
diabetes, linking the pancreasto blood sugar regulations.
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The discovery of insulin in1921 from Frederick Banning and
Charles Best successfullyextracted insulin from a dog's
pancreas.
This marked a turning point indiabetes treatments.
The first human use in 1922 wasa 14-year-old boy named Leonard
Thomas, who became the firstperson to receive insulin
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injections.
His blood sugar levels droppeddramatically and saved his life.
Mass production shortly afterits discovery, pharmaceutical
companies began to produceinsulin in large scales, making
it widely available to patients.
Modern advancements over theyears insulin has evolved from
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animal-derived extracts tosynthetics and genetically
engineered forms, improving itssafety and effectiveness.
Insulin discovery has savedcountless lives and remained one
of the most significant medicaladvancements in the 20th
century.
Kevin (18:00):
Fun fact, the two scientists that discovered
insulin and saved the boy's lifedid not patent it.
They decided, for the greatergood of all men, that they would
just give this to the world andnot profit from it.
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The patent was, however,shortly thereafter grabbed by
pharmaceutical companies, whichis why the price of insulin has
been going up over the years, tothe point where they profit
greatly from it.
I think one of the things thatPresident Biden did was allow
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Medicare to negotiate the price.
I think insulin was the firstgroup of drugs they could
negotiate for, so it sounds like$35 a month versus like $1,000.
Palmi (19:09):
Medicaid coverage varies by state so it's best to check,
if you're in Missouri, theMedicare or Medicaid policies
and speak with your localpharmacy or health care provider
.
I know our local pharmaciesprovide kits free of charge.
In most cases it's at noout-of-pocket expenses as long
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as the cgm meets the coveragerequirement uh, the cgm is
something you have to have aprescription for what does cgm
stand for?
Kevin (19:44):
continuous glucose monitor oh, I see so for example
, if I had, I'd know right awayif I ate something that was
causing my sugar to go higherthan normal.
Palmi (19:58):
Oh.
Because it's not like have youlooked into the VA to see if
they would cover it?
Kevin (20:05):
Medicaid doesn't.
Okay in Missouri, so I don'tknow Medicare does though.
But uh, again, I wouldn't havea prescription because I'm
pre-diabetic.
Palmi (20:21):
so but you know, I've seen on some uh web facebook
pages where they actually youdon't have to be a diabetic, you
can just it's a lot of fitness.
Uh, there's one for like afitness people that want to know
what their blood sugar levelsare and stuff like that.
I wonder how much that would be.
Kevin (20:38):
You can't do that with continuous glucose monitors like
a Dexcom or Freestyle Libre.
I think the monitors they'retalking about are the ones that
are like, not as invasive, andnot as accurate, For example,
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the Fitbits or health-orientedwatches you can wear.
Some of them have a bloodglucose monitor on it.
Palmi (21:13):
Yeah, mine does, my Apple does.
Kevin (21:15):
Yeah, I don't know how accurate it is, though it's just
not as accurate as, say, a uh,when you break your figure and
you actually get the blood yeah,glucose monitor to check your
glucose level so the the newestthing I've been seeing on this
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um media is the link betweendiabetes and dementia.
Palmi (21:39):
Have you seen that?
I have heard about it, but sothere are studies that link a
strong it has a strong linkbetween diabetes, particularly
type 2 diabetes, and theincrease of developing dementia,
including Alzheimer's andvascular dementia, because of
the blood vessel damage thatdiabetes causes and also the
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damage that it causes increasedrisk of stroke, which also
increases dementia issues.
So they're investigating thatnow.
Insolent resistance in thebrain can affect brain cell
abilities to use the sugar forenergy, potentially leading to
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brain cell dysfunction anddamage and increasing the risk
of Alzheimer's disease and otherdementias.
In most cases, with thediabetes you also have high
cholesterol and high bloodpressure, which are also links
to the high dementia.
Those are all high incidencesthat increase.
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Because they probably affectyour cardiovascular system
Correct, which then affects yourbrain.
So same thing.
It's recommended a healthierlifestyle engaging in physical
activity, eating a balanced dietand getting enough sleep and
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managing your stress would helplower the dementia risks.
I didn't realize there was alink between that and it's just
been being released lately thatthere is that Now.
You were talking at thebeginning about the new type 5
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diabetes Correct, so you saidthat it was most recent and it
is in the Diabetic Foundation,idf, the World Diabetic Congress
in 2025 in Bangkok, thailand.
The IDF President, peterSchwartz, announced the launch
of a working group to develop aformal diagnostic criteria and
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therapeutic guidelines for atype of diabetes linked to the
malnutrition that was formerlyclassified as type 5 diabetes
during the international meetingof experts in India earlier
this year.
The working group is alsoestablishing a global research
registration and developingeducational models to train
health care professionals, andthat seems to be more linked in
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third world countries.
Kevin (24:16):
Yeah, I could see why I would imagine that might be a
big consideration.
Seeing a developing countrywhere part of your diet is
interrupted, it's probablyreally important.
There are certain items that goalong with the aid you may get
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to ease your starvation.
Palmi (24:45):
Well, I think a lot of that.
It does have protein in it, buta lot of it they depend on is
carbs, is a massive amount ofcarbs to keep them full and
their bellies full.
It is estimated that between 20to 25 million people worldwide,
primarily in areas such as Asiaand Africa, that it's affecting
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those people.
It marks a potential movementin the understanding of diabetes
and how the condition affectslean and malnutrition teens and
young adults in low or mediumincome countries.
The concept of type 5 diabetesrefers to severe insulin
deficient diabetes SIDDcharacterized by elevated levels
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of insulin deficiency and poormetabolic control.
Unlike type 2 diabetes, type 5diabetes, also known as
malnutrition-related diabetes,is commonly caused by a chronic
undernutrition, especiallyduring childhood or adolescence.
Type 1 diabetes is the resultof an autoimmune deficiency of
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insulin-producing cells.
Type 2 diabetes ischaracterized by the body's
inability to use the insulin itproduces.
But type 5 diabetes isdistinctive it is believed to
stem from the impairedpancreatic development during a
long-term nutrition deficiency.
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Although type 5 diabetes hasbeen observed over seven years,
it has been largely overlookedin the global health discussion.
The condition was first notedin the mid-20th century and
often miscategorized as type 1or type 2 diabetes.
Previous prevailed theoriessuggested the condition
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developed due to insulinresistance.
In the recent years, newlyresearched new route led by Dr
Hawkins confirmed this distancemetabolic profile.
People with type 5 diabetes areinsulin deficient but not
insulin resistant.
Many may be able to maintaintheir diabetes with oral
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medicine rather than theinjections of insulin.
Given that type 5 diabetes ismostly found in low resource
settings, this cost-effectiveapproach can prove important in
regions already struggling totackle the rising number of
people living with thatcondition.
The recognition of type 5diabetes marks a historical
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shift in how we approachdiabetes globally.
For too long, the condition hasgone unrecognized, affecting
millions of people and deprivingthem of the access to adapted
care.
With the launch of type 5diabetes working group, we are
talking decisive steps tocorrect this.
This is about equality, scienceand saving lives.
Kevin (27:50):
It's too bad, we can't get all the people with.
Type 1 or UC extra insulinbeing produced by Type 5
diabetics and problem solved?
Palmi (28:04):
I don't think it works that way, Kevin.
Kevin (28:06):
You're right.
Palmi (28:08):
Good use of resources though.
So our plan for you and theother thing, when researching
this, we've done a lot ofresearch based because it
affects us, so we've done a lotof research on this it us, so
we've done a lot of research onthis.
It also has a lot to do withthe water that you drink.
I think right now we'refighting numbers.
We were down really good to 112, 110, something like that about
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two months ago.
A lot is stress-oriented too.
His mom is fighting cancer andthere's been a lot of stress in
your life lately, so I thinkthat has a lot to do with it.
But I think you've stoppeddrinking as much water as you
used to.
So they say you should drinkthe many as the ounces should be
half your weight, so you weigh.
Kevin (28:56):
What did they say?
You weighed your last one 155.
Palmi (28:58):
So you should.
So what's half of 150?
Kevin (29:04):
75.
Palmi (29:05):
So you should drink 75 ounces a day.
Do you drink 75 ounces a day?
Kevin (29:10):
How big are these water jugs?
30.
Close to that, I drink two.
Palmi (29:17):
That's 60.
Kevin (29:18):
At least 2 and change, the way I put it.
Palmi (29:23):
Yeah, so you think you're making your 70?
.
Kevin (29:29):
I think I'm probably a little less than 70, but it's
darn close.
Palmi (29:35):
So that should be.
Our goal is to work towards thefull 75.
Yeah, I know that's.
The hardest thing for me to dois drink water.
I don't like water.
Before I got onto this weight,my weight thing I don't think I
ever drank a glass of water onits own.
I didn't like soda, but I woulddrink iced tea or not sweetened
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.
Because I'm not a southerner, Idrink my tea like it should be
drank, not sweet iced tea or notsweetened because I'm not a
southerner.
Kevin (30:06):
I drink my tea like it should be drank, sweet, it
should be drank sweet dear.
No, it shouldn't, yes it should.
Palmi (30:10):
You can't taste the taste of tea.
Kevin (30:12):
Listeners, don't let anybody tell you you shouldn't
drink sweet tea.
Palmi (30:17):
Come on, northerners, let's go.
Let's vote for unsweet tea witha little lemon.
Anyways, that's our struggles.
If life gives you lemon, makelemonade.
We'll go with lemonade, let'sdo lemonade.
Kevin (30:32):
Unfortunately, lemonade has a lot of sugar in it too.
Palmi (30:36):
We're using monk fruit.
Kevin (30:39):
Yeah, I read somewhere that using artificial sweeteners
is bad for you, but I didn'tread the article.
Monk fruit is all natural andit doesn't.
Well, I think, what does?
Stevia gets bitter when youcook with it.
Palmi (31:00):
Yeah, I don't like stevia , but you know I grow that.
I grow it in my garden and whenI use it straight, when I just
pick it a leaf and I eat theleaf or I put it in my drink,
straight into the drink it isnot bitter.
But if I process it, grind itup or let it dry out and grind
it up, then it does get bitter.
(31:21):
I don't understand thecorrelation there, but I don't
know why it gets bitter, but itdoes.
But if I eat it straight out ofthe garden it's not bitter.
Must be the processing thatmakes it bitter.
I don't know.
Kevin (31:35):
I really couldn't tell you that much.
I've had stevia with monk fruitstuff.
It's fun.
Yeah, I just tried to think ofwhat.
Palmi (31:50):
It's really hard to find monk fruit that doesn't have
other stuff in it, though whatit's hard to find just monk
fruit without.
They've always add differentsweeteners in there.
Kevin (32:03):
Yeah, I'm guessing that again, this is a wild guess, so
don't crucify me over this.
But you see, diet sodas aresupposed to be saccharin-free
and Sucrose no, what's the otherone?
Artificial sweetener.
They're supposed to besaccharin-free and Sucrose no,
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what's the other one?
Artificial sweetener Saccharin,and they replace saccharin with
this other one.
Palmi (32:29):
Yeah, I forget what it's called.
It starts with an X.
Nutra-sweet, yeah the X.
Kevin (32:35):
But they would I imagine these stevia now.
Palmi (32:44):
No, there's very few that have stevia in it.
There is one brand that doeshave stevia in it, but it didn't
taste good.
I tried it and didn't tastegood.
But you, you do the probioticsodas poppy and that has a few
that does have real sugar in it,but a very few amounts, like
under five grams.
It's kind of like flavored sodawater.
Kevin (33:07):
Really Right If you're expecting the grape flavored
poppies to taste like grape soda, grape feta, whatever you call
it, it's just not going to bethe same, it's got, not gonna be
the same.
But it has no sugar in iteither, because they don't add a
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whole lot of flavoring to it.
Palmi (33:33):
And it's probiotic, so it helps your gut too.
Alright, are we done for thisweek?
Kevin (33:42):
Well, we need to do a little bit of housekeeping.
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We don't have email marketing,so it's not going to like, we're
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You can do so on our webpage,which is www.
Palmi (34:50):
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Ke (34:56):
Wwwwhenlifegivesyoulemonsnet .
Wwwwhenlifegivesyoulemonsnet.
Palmi (35:00):
And you also have a Facebook page now.
Yeah, but I don't know the URL.
Kevin (35:06):
You can go from my page to that page if you want, but
I'll make sure to get a scrap ofpaper from me with that next
time so I can let you know whatthe URL is.
Palmi (35:21):
Okay, see you next time.
Kevin (35:23):
Bye, everybody, and remember to make lemonade out of
all those lemons you have todeal with.
Palmi (35:32):
Hey y'all it's Kevin.
Kevin (35:34):
I want to ask you for a favor.
Palmi's out in the backyard soI can talk without her
interrupting me.
I have a super secret slashhomework assignment for you
Sweet tea or unsweet tea.
Thanks, till next episode.
(36:09):
Take those lemons and make yourown lemonade.
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Jetheswaran Gunasekaran
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