Host:
Dr. Ashlee Gethner, LCSW – Child of a Police Officer
Jennifer Woosley Saylor, LPCC S – Child of a Police Officer
Guest:
Episode Overview:
In this insightful episode, Ashlee and Jennifer, welcome Chief Deputy Justin Miller from the Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. Chief Deputy Miller shares his journey from serving as a Navy psychiatric technician to law enforcement leadership, opening up about how personal experiences and organizational gaps in mental health support shaped his mission to prioritize officer wellness.
Key Topics Covered
The Struggle for Support: Chief Deputy Miller recounts moments where, due to budget cuts, Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) and peer support teams were unavailable, leaving officers without organizational resources for mental well-being.
Personal Impact: He discusses the life events that first drew his attention to the importance of officer mental health, from the suicide of a significant other to his own family losses, and the organizational culture’s lack of compassion.
Culture Shift in Law Enforcement: The conversation delves into the challenges of changing a deeply ingrained “rub dirt on it” mindset, and how being promoted doesn’t always mean having a real voice for change.
Innovative Wellness Initiatives: Chief Deputy Miller outlines current strategies in his department.
Breaking the Stigma: Chief Deputy Miller explains how officer education, transparency, and leadership modeling are critical for long-term cultural change.
Family & Community Impact: The importance of involving officer families in wellness programs—offering access to resources, education, and community-building events.
Advice for Leaders & Providers: For law enforcement administrators - Be humble, open to new ideas, prioritize serving your people, and build cultures where feedback leads to actionable change. For mental health professionals - There’s a pressing need for more providers trained to understand first responder culture, as well as resources tailored for both officers and their families.
From Struggle to Success: Chief Deputy Miller shares that Kenosha has achieved zero vacancies in both patrol and corrections—a rarity in the current law enforcement climate—and credits a strong, invested culture of wellness and leadership development.
Resources Mentioned:
The Fearless Organization by Amy C. Edmondson
The Ideal Team Player by Patrick Lencioni
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