March 10, 2023 • 40 mins
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It's a Ken exclusive episode! While Bri is temporarily away Kendall takes over episode 26 and this case is one big terrible tragedy. At the hands of the tragedy is Dennis Nilsen, an infamous Scottish serial killer that committed to killing over a dozen young men and boys in London, England between 1978 & 1983. In part one of this case, we will discuss who this monster was and the terrible acts he committed.
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Aug. 2021 "Memories of a Murderer: The Nilsen Tapes" (Netflix)
Sept. 2020 Masters, Brian Killing For Company: The Case of Dennis Nilsen
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Before you start this episode a quick advisory.
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Today's episode does cover sexual assault and child abuse that some may find offensive.
We understand if this may be a lot and we will see you next episode.
Listener discretion is advised.
Welcome listeners and newcomers.
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You're all in for a treat today.
I'm Kendall and this is When The Light Goes Out.
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Good day everybody.
I hope you're having a great wonderful week this week.
I know I fought through the week to get to the weekend.
But I'm feeling good.
I know you've probably noticed we did not post any content last week.
One of my friends actually asked me, y'all good?
Yeah, we're good.
We're good.
I really personally just needed a mental health week last week and I'm sure all of us can
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understand with each other on that one.
I think a break now and then just really makes that much of a difference and just you know
makes you a better you.
I took away.
I took a lot more time.
I'm sorry to research our interesting topic today and I also took my fedas back to the
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gym.
I mean, who would know that, right?
And I encourage you all of course to honestly take a break now and then really it's a lie.
It's a hard world.
The world is consistently moving and you just always need to wonder, hey, when can I take
my break?
When can I just sit down and just any who?
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We're also probably wondering where the hell Bri is.
She she's she's okay.
Don't worry.
Today we were supposed to record together, but she had took a spring to the leg.
She's fine, but the day was kind of taken away from her being at the clinic and I really
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just didn't want her doing anything.
I just want her to chill, relax, do whatever she needed to do.
And I was just like, hey, I'll just do the episode myself today.
I'll make it pretty special for you guys.
And yeah, this is my first time hosting, so it's kind of weird.
It's kind of kind of cool, but kind of weird, kind of weird, but she'll be back, I promise.
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Well, on that note, I won't waste too much time.
I know I could banter with myself forever, but we're not going to do that.
We're going to just dive into this case.
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This case that we're going to cover today is a pretty gruesome one.
So I know that I put a sensory at the beginning of this, but still, I'm probably going to
give a little warning beforehand or I'm going to try to at least when things get gruesome.
But I feel like this case in general is laid out to be a pretty gruesome case.
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So just know that the next two episodes will be related to this case.
And if that doesn't really work for you, of course, as always, we understand we never
want to really violate anyone's ears too much.
But I really also feel like a lot of the things that we put into these episodes are very important
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and it really makes you come to realize that, hey, these things in the world do happen.
They happen around us all the time, way more than we realize it.
And it's just really nice to know that as the podcast are feeding this history and this
information to listeners, you are all being able to understand to with me that, hey, you
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know, this world is a beautiful world, but it comes with a lot of problems.
And I think we already know that.
But going into the cracks and crevices of it.
But without further ado, let's get into our story today.
All right, so our story today is a story that takes place in England.
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So I thought it would be kind of cool to go to England today.
I honestly feel like we don't cover enough or we don't cover a ton of stories outside
of the US.
And I'm like, I really want to do a lot more in Europe.
We're going to do a ton more just in other places, but Europe specifically, I've always
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had a huge passion for Europe.
Europe, Europe.
And I've always wanted to really just be living there.
Honestly, I feel like you guys know me know that I have always loved the French language.
I learned French in college and I studied there.
And I've always been someone that's obsessed with just the European culture.
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So I just always I thought it was time.
Just dive into a case that takes place in England.
So there's that.
I know I knew nothing about this case, first of all.
This case stuck out to me just because it kind of related to one that we all know.
And it's all by the title of this episode, which is Dennis Nielsen, the British Jeffrey
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Dahmer.
So you'll all understand why that is so much tied to they're so tied to each other, first
of all.
You'll also see a lot of not only parallels, but also a lot of just the deeper madness.
In this case, does take place before Jeffrey Dahmer.
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I'll say that before we even start.
But you'll see why.
And by the end of this, you'll see why they tie them in together.
So here is episode 26.
On February 4th, 1983, one late evening around midnight, a tenant living at the Craneley Garden
Flats in Muswell Hill, North London calls for a drain specialist at Dino Rod to come
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investigate a drain blockage at their complex.
Six other curious tenants had joined to see what the bloody hell was going on with their
drains and why it was getting clogged because this was a problem that all the tenants were
actually having.
One tenant among the rest came out to see what was going on.
And this was Dennis Nielsen.
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A 37 year old, 6th one, kind of basic looking dude with a classic, with the 80s kind of
frames and the black hair.
Very very 80s look, I'll say.
Mike Cataran, which is the Dino Rod employee that came out, informed the tenants that their
complaints about the drains being clogged is being looked at.
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So to sit tight and he be getting to it and getting this situation dealt with.
So the specialist, Mike, grabs his equipment in a flashlight and descends into the manhole.
Instantly Mike began to smell an odor.
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Instantly Mike began to smell an odor.
So unbearable he started to gag.
After shining the light in the direction of the terrible odor.
Mike was faced with this most horrifying sight for human eyes to ever see.
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Like straight off a horror movie I could say personally myself.
He found chunks of mangled rotting flesh and bone.
Now police and investigators were immediately called.
Mike had initially thought that this was an animal.
Spoiler, it was an animal.
So Mike tells tenants he and his supervisor will return in the morning to try to get this
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mess cleaned up.
The next morning the Dino Rod employees come back to clean the backed up flesh when Mike
notices what was the other previous night looked to have been already cleaned.
Though they still notice that small bone fragments and flesh were still caught throughout the
drain leading up to the top floor apartment belonging to tenant Nilsson.
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So the police call the police to investigate the problem.
And not long after the police arrive and tenants are all questioning what the hell is going
on.
You see police everywhere.
I get it.
When they walked up police had been told that there were these bone fragments they had
found and led up to that specific flat.
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I like to call a flat instead of apartment.
But they had been led to Dinsons flat and noticed that he wasn't there.
But another tenant said that he'd be back from work later that afternoon so they waited
and waited.
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Eerily that morning while Dennis was at his desk at work while the police were investigating
what was going on here at his flat.
A colleague will later state that Dennis had been acting weird and jokingly turned towards
them and said quote if I'm not in tomorrow I'll be ill, dead, or I'll be in jail.
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So later that evening Dennis had returned home from work and he's met with Detective
Chief Inspector Jay and Inspector Jesus Muckster and another officer waiting to ask Dennis
a couple questions about the weird remains that were found in the manhole that connected
to his flat.
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As soon as Dennis opened up the door the inspectors were rudely bombarded by the pre-trufying
smell of de-comp.
Well when Inspector Jay asked what that smell was Dennis calmly answered quote what you're
looking for is stored in the bags around this apartment.
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Inspector says quote stop messing about where is the rest of the body unquote and Dennis
walks over to the bedroom and points to a wardrobe.
When the inspector walks over to open the wardrobe in it are two massive black trash
bags.
Dennis is then handcuffed and brought in under suspicion of murder which I would definitely
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arrest him to and on the way to the police station Inspector Muckster asks are we talking
about one body or two here and Dennis immediately replies quote 15 or 16.
So I know that's crazy and you're partly wondering who in the world is Dennis Nielsen.
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I personally am not sure if a lot of our listeners I know we have a lot of listeners over in
Europe and I'm personally not sure I know we have I know we have a handful of listeners
over in England I'm not sure if any of you listeners are over there know a ton about
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him or not I know that he is infamously known to be again like the British Jeffrey Dahmer
and things like that like this he is infamously known as the British Jeffrey Dahmer and he's
also known as the Muswell Hill murderer.
So that actually kind of goes hand in hand with today's episode because today is going
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to be called that and then you're going to notice in part two it's going to be called
the Muswell Hill murderers.
So I just felt that those two kind of go hand in hand with each other with how the story
goes again and he had been known to have killed at least 15 I am not kidding you 15 young
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men and boys between 1978 and 1983 and this monster was brought to earth on November 23rd
1945 if I'm not mistaken he is not a Scorpio we don't claim him I think he just made it
on that cusp of the Sagittarius but I might be wrong if I am wrong that's embarrassing
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but I think I'm right.
So yes he was born November 23rd 1945 and Firstburg Scotland.
Firstburg itself is known to be a very pretty small fish village in the council area of
Amber Sheenshire I'm sorry if I butchered that in Scotland.
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Now like many of our discussed serial killers Dennis did not experience the best childhood
he was born to a Norwegian soldier that traveled to Scotland in 1940 named Olaf Mangan Mielsen
and his Scottish mother Betty White not Betty White the actress we know this okay moving
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on along with Dennis were also his brother Olaf Nielsen the second and Sylvia Nielsen
not sure if they were older younger I didn't find any sources that specified that for sure
but either way right from the beginning it was clear that Dennis's father Olaf had
no interest in having a family he never spent time with any of his kids and often left Betty
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alone for months and just for her to care for the children eventually by the age of
six years old his father was completely out of the picture eventually Betty remarry to
a man named Adam Scott and had four more children and then sent Dennis to spend time away with
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his grandfather for a while now Dennis's 62 year old grandfather Andrew was allegedly
very strict ill tempered and just single-minded as kind of that type of guy I guess a man's
man I don't know but despite Andrew's ways he and Dennis actually got along really well
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they instantly grew a really strong bond with another they go on walks for hours they often
fish together and his grandfather would tell Dennis about all the tales about sailing and
selling us a young man it's like one of those like when I was a boy I have gone a season
you know whatever whatever else so Dennis was really happy because it's said that he
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didn't really like his half-father and so having his grandpa was like a real father figure
to him though that same year that Dennis was sent away to live with Andrew on Halloween
day 1951 his grandfather had been found dead that morning in his fishing boat being that
Dennis was six at the time he did not understand that his grandfather was dead and eventually
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he was sent back home with his mother they held an open casket funeral and he saw his
grandfather laying there and asked his mom when was grandpa going to wake up and like
Marnie parents probably would Dennis's mother had just kind of said he's taking a long nap
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or you know he's in a better place so it's one of those you know oh okay well I feel
like you're putting that image in their kids head but you know you know grandpa's okay
he's in a better place he might come back one day and I think that's the kind of notion
that he got in his head not saying that this losing of another figure of a male in his
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life had to account for anything he did later on because what he does later on is terrible
but that I'm not I of course don't want to mess that up with each other but I do want
to say that as a kid that does suck and especially when it's like your parents want to protect
you but they don't want to hurt you it's kind of like a double it's sword in a way so days
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eventually turned into months and later on after Dennis was caught he will later claim
that this at this time he was six years old and it was his most vivid memory because one
day he had a father in the next day he was gone and when I say father he was meeting
his grandfather after his grandfather's death Dennis grew up and started to develop a terrible
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habit of collecting pets especially pigeons he would keep them for a short period of time
and then viciously slaughter them I think Betty found this kind of as a phase but not completely
sure he'd go down the same trails alone that he and his grandfather would go down which
I don't think that's terribly I don't think that's weird at all quite honestly I guess
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that's just everyone grays in their own ways kind of a thing I have my times to where I
definitely have needed to grieve my own way and he will also write about the scene his
journals all the while he was still be killing innocent birds though in grade school Dennis
seemed to have been a pretty average student he later claimed that he'd become infatuated
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with the son of a local minister but it was clear to Dennis that he had no interest in
school and it showed in his grades and it kind of slipped at the age of 15 years old
he dropped out of school to join the army for Dennis joining the army was the best decision
he had ever made so this is something he really liked to do he loved the discipline of the
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army he loved what they enforced he loved the physical hard training and he felt wanted
well liked and just wanted by all his comrades really the main area where Dennis worked in
the army was catering and it was catering to like the other army units so like cooking
propping food etc etc so this is where he learned the art of butchering I I'm not just
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talking about cut up some you know raw steak and serve it to soldiers I'm talking about
butchering these animals and doing the whole operation from scratch and it's gruesome
to even think about but Dennis was fascinated by the shot crazy just a little listen Dennis
was well liked and not super bullied for his liking towards guys which also kind of started
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opening him up to experimenting Dennis is starting to find discreet guys over campus
with similar sexual curiosities as his he even found some male sex workers that he had gotten
contacts with while serving in the Middle East but casual hookups just really started
to get boring for him and it wouldn't ask arousam as much the guys he would sleep with
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it would just have one nice sense with him and then leave and Dennis wanted more than
that as time had passed on in the army Dennis began to find different ways to arouse himself
and not in healthy ways either at some point Dennis found this clay mineral called talc
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which can be a very harmful thing to your body it's kind of like a it's a yeah it's
like a mineral but he would use us he would really grows he would strip his self bearer
cover himself in powder blew his lips to appear dead and then masturbate to himself in the
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mirror after a decade into serving for the military Dennis have found a guy that he was
really into this was 18 year old private he found while stationed on the Shetland Islands
in Scotland this was big for him because when a man had entered his life he had felt loved
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again although this guy knew Dennis was only stationed temporarily and just wanted to save
friends while hooking up it's understandable this outrage Dennis he did not take it easy
at all reports say that shortly before Dennis went back home to the base he said that poor
guy stuff him fire along with some photos in the movie footage that had apparently made
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when they were just goofing around eventually Dennis also got fed up with the army and the
politics around it so he moved back home to first bird with his mom and siblings although
so he wouldn't stay as long as he had intended to I am not 100% confident on this note but
apparently after a couple weeks of moving back in with his family Dennis and his brother
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Olaf Jr had gotten to some ugly argument about how he can't come home to a F.A.G.
and we know what that is I'm not I'm not gonna say it and so Dennis left home and never
came back just decided to leave so this is when in December of 1972 Dennis and his 20s
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had moved to England so he's not in Scotland he's in England now and he decides to take
up police training to join the Metropolitan in the Lenten England the Metropolitan I
think it's like the police force I don't know for sure don't at me now not long after
being hired as a officer Dennis was re-exposed to death seeing bodies and morgues viewing
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autopsies of these bodies which eventually just get began to just grow into this wild
and gross fetish now none of this death really bothered Dennis what really ended up being
the big deal breaker for him was when a co-worker in him had caught a gay male couple engaging
an intercourse off the side of a road near their vehicle Dennis cannot bring himself
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to arrest the couple at the time so he told the co-worker no and the co-worker kind of
gave him shit for it a little bit and so he just decided to quit because of that one altercation
being that Dennis just decided to quit on the spot like that put him in a really bad in
tough situation with money he saved no money he spent most of his earnings getting drunk
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at pubs and at clubs and just edging more towards poverty he ended up selling his general service
medal to make do with the flat that he had after a couple days he just decided you know
what I'm just gonna sign up for unemployment benefits and see how much I get back and he
didn't get much but he was offered to work for the English Civil Service which is job
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center I think again I did a little research on what job center was I think it's honestly
helping if I'm not mistaken correct me if I'm wrong helping other people get jobs I
think that's what that is so his political and social views really kept him from making
any friends at this new English Civil Service job they also found him odd and abnormal but
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he felt happy with the job so just started refocusing on love so that brings us to January
1974 one night while out Dennis meets a young Tony something named David Gallachan and they
hit it off he went home with Dennis they hook up several weeks go by and they are a couple
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in love and officially dating so Dennis has his first official boyfriend after a month
or so goes by and they decide it's time to move in together so they do they move into
195 Malrose Avenue in north London this is one of the infamous flats that sees a lot
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of dark shit so keep that address in mind eventually months turn into years and the
two have even bought a puppy named bleep oh my god I think that's so cute when I look
that up and I'll say that so right now bleep is okay throughout this whole story I just
have to say that but everything was great although David started falling out of love
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for Dennis of course this wrecked Dennis but he tried to ignore his feelings about this
and filled the void with finding guys at bars again working extra hours at work and drinking
copious amounts of rum every night by the way unfortunately for the sake of humanity
around Christmas time in 1978 Dennis I got into the deepest point of his lonesome and
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depression this is when Dennis decides to commit his first murder according to Dennis's
confession on December 30th 1978 Dennis meets this kid at Cricklewood Arms Pub this was
18 year old Stephen Holmes who at the time was an Irish laborer Dennis Sweet talked Stephen
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they went back to Dennis's flat where they both drank themselves asleep now sometime
in the middle of the night Dennis wakes up according to him he's thinking I don't
want this to end so Dennis grabs the necktie he had near the bed grips the kid's neck
with the necktie and squeezes until the kid was fully unconscious, drawn to his head into
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a bucket of water, bathed his now dead body and dried it he wanted to keep his corpse
out but got paranoid someone would find him so Dennis lifts up the floorboards throws
Stephen's body into the pit underneath the floorboards where he will remain rotting for
the next 8 months the first murder really worried Dennis for a couple of months but
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eventually he was ready to get back out there and start searching for his next victim you
know once you just do one you just keep doing it right no that's wrong you don't the second
victim would have been 20 year old Andrew Ho but Andrew actually got away while being
strangled by Dennis in his flat he got away and went to police but decided later not to
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press any charges for any reasons I definitely think personally that this could have been
just because at the time it was just strongly shone upon and I don't fully know but I could
you could wonder I feel like you definitely wonder so this made Dennis's second victim
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20 year old Kenneth Okadon Kenneth was a Canadian student that I think was
studying abroad or visiting England December 3rd 1979 Kenneth decided to hit up some gay
clubs in the area and one of the pubs Kenneth happens to me a man named Dennis they come
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first and they get to know each other a little and Dennis offers Kenneth a tour of London's
landmarks so of course how could Kenneth say no to a free ride around town they leave after
the tour Dennis convinces Kenneth to come over to his flat for some music and drinking so
at Dennis's flat and while Kenneth is distracted with headphones on that Dennis that gave to
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him Dennis sneaks up behind Kenneth and strangles him with an electrical cord until he hears
Kenneth's neck snap I am not kidding you can't make this stuff up so then Dennis lays
Kenneth down and he lays him beside him on the bed and just decides to go to sleep just
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a forewarning this next part is very grotesque so if you wanted to just skip ahead a little
bit for this I don't blame you so the next morning Dennis washes the body dries the
body he takes the polaroids of the corpse engages in sex with it then places his lifeless
body into a garbage bag underneath the floorboards next to the others but even more horrifically
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Dennis sticks up and replace it Kenneth's body four different times four different times
every time he we dug up the body he admitted that he would do some really gross wings
to it that I'm not going to mention on the show and then leaves his body in the armchair
while Dennis ate dinner drank watched television and went to work it was like it was nothing
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his third identified victim was later identified as Martin Duffy so Martin was kind of a troubled
16 year old from Maryside England at the time of Martin's death he was a homeless hitchhiker
I am not sure about a ton of his background I can only imagine again that could have been
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I mean based on maybe just who he was his parents didn't accept him who knows but on
May 13th 1980 Dennis invited the kid over to spend the night at his place while Martin
slept on Dennis's couch Dennis hops on top of Martin and strangles him unconscious with
his bare hands I don't know if you guys can even picture this I don't even want to but
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imagine how much force it could take to strangle someone unconscious with your hands like that
is a lot of pressure and a lot of force that you had to put into something human neck is
a lot of it's fairly tough so just thinking about that is crazy so Dennis drags Martin
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into the kitchen fills the kitchen sink with water and John's a minute this time Dennis
literally bays with Martin's corpse he kisses it and along with other grotesque things that
again I'm not going to mention he talks to the body he even comments the corpse and
then continues the same thing with Martin's corpse for days after eventually the body
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but obviously right and when it became too bloated he placed the body with the others
in the floorboards when the smell became too much for him he would just decide to start
spraying the bodies with insecticide to rid of the hundreds of maggots and on top of that
smell he would top it off with some deodorant spray I am sorry but deodorant cannot coat
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the stink of even a living human you thought that that would work I don't care if that's
even anti-perspirant spray that that doesn't work on on no no I'm sorry sir it's not
it's not going to happen like I said that wasn't going to work so Dennis brought himself
to dissect and dismember the three bodies in his bathtub he boiled their severed heads
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in a large cooking pot so that he could boil the skin off for bone he placed the parts
in the suitcase and buried them in the garden that he and his ex-partner had built together
can't imagine although Dennis's next two victims luckily escaped from the clutches
of this monster he also did luck out though neither victim reported that Dennis attempted
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to kill them and he just got away with it so some of you may be wondering at this point
where in the world are the other tenants at aren't there other tenants if he's living
in a flat you know yes there are I don't know how this got beyond the tenants but honestly
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none of the tenants that lived in this specific location that he lived had really knew that
Dennis was doing anything they knew that he had guys over but I think it was one of those
things that was more like he's gay so I don't know about gay people you know leave him alone
that let him just do his thing whatever whatever so I again I don't know can't say for sure
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but I think that was the mentality and often he would bring these victims sometimes they
would get away but again I think people just brush it off as that's a gay thing I wouldn't
understand that that's their thing whatever and he did it in a very low key way so somehow
he just really got away with it for a very long time Dennis had a small window of time
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where he actually halted the horrors he inflicted on these young men because his landlord wanted
to renovate the building that he was living in the existing tenants were moved to a separate
housing space for some time but I guess Dennis came to an agreement that he could stay in
the attic of the building months later Dennis got his flat back and the flat he had was on
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the bottom floor where he eventually reached his next and fourth victim this was 27 year
old Billy Sutherland Billy was living in the area of north London he didn't make a living
from prostitution and had been approached by Dennis Billy and Dennis conversed a little
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Dennis let Billy in to drive back to his place where after not long Dennis strangles Billy
until he is out of breath he finishes him off from drowning he rapes him and dismember
his body the next victim is 27 year old Malcolm Barlow he had grown up in orphan in London
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with a learning disability he met Dennis in a more romantic way this was a sweet and innocent
guy that I'm talking about Malcolm I'm not talking about Dennis fuck Dennis I'm talking
about Malcolm Dennis I'm sorry oh my god Malcolm was a very sweet and innocent guy that just
really wanted to find love and had also unfortunately just fell victim to a person that could not
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care less about anyone's emotions and was just a monster and I can even consider him
a human by 1981 Dennis had successfully raped tortured and dismembered a dozen men and young
boys just in that one apartment he would just repeat the process of inviting these boys
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over and getting them in a vulnerable state and assaulting them and dismembering them
and shoves them under his kitchen sink like what in his wardrobe and his under his floorboards
and he would just dispose of them months later like you had time to think about this before
you did it and he just goes in and just does it and it's just so gruesome to think that
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even being a tenant even it's crazy to think that they didn't smell anything or didn't
have too many thoughts about what's going on some people were curious but I don't think
anyone really dove in so it was just kind of like he was getting away with all of this
and it's just so sad too because there are survivors but those survivors were just and
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I don't blame them in some way just terrified to even come out and come forth with what
happened to them and like I said not many people nor police really reported the missing
guys even if they figured they might have been missing from the general area because
many of them were either queer they were thrown out of their homes they were male escorts
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or they ran away and the notion kind of was around them in this time that you know they're
queer they wanted to go missing or they're a little less human for selling their bodies
they're gay they just wouldn't understand things like that which is just so sad because
it's just like you just you're so mad because you're like I wish that people did more for
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these these young boys or you know at least they were shown a path a better path because
they were human too and they didn't deserve to lose their lives because some area asshole
just decides to come in their life and take that away from them in 1982 eventually Dennis
did feel that it was time to move out of the flat that he lived in because of the suspicion
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some neighbors I just think that he was starting to coward because he kept making up excuses
as for the smell I guess reading this now I will say there was one tenant that had claims
later on that he had told them the oldest stem from structural problems with the building
but come on you know that is not structural problems so Dennis moves out of his flat on
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195 Melrose Avenue and now moves to a second floor flat at 23 greenlee gardens and Muswell
Hill which was in the same area of north London Dennis later claimed that he purposely chose
the top floor flat at Muswell Hill I think it's muscle and Muswell I'm gonna get that
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right to quote suppress the murders I don't think again this was because he wanted to
stop killing I think it was because he didn't want to get caught but either way it didn't
matter because even living on a top floor apartment didn't stop him from killing and
eventually he found new ways to dispose of the bodies and things just got way worse than
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they've already gotten then you'll just have to wait to find out in our next episode so
that brings us to the end of part one of our Dennis Nielsen case but you know what I figured
since I am already doing this and my so just keep it going I'm just gonna release episode
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27 to you guys let's say Monday so if you're listening to this at the time it comes out
I think this is coming out Friday and then you will have this episode 27 which is part
two of our Dennis Nielsen case on Monday have to split it up a little bit so I can't
print crunch from two too closely but you will get it and you won't have to wait too
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long so stay tuned for that and of course thank you all for listening again this is
new for me this is actually kind of crazy and I was kind of nervous doing this but you
know you guys are very supportive I think you all for listening continue listening give
us all the left that you can anyway you can and yes we hope to see you next when the lights
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go out.
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Today's episode does cover sexual assault and child abuse that some may find offensive.
We understand if this may be a lot and we will see you next episode.
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You're all in for a treat today.
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But I'm feeling good.
I know you've probably noticed we did not post any content last week.
One of my friends actually asked me, y'all good?
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We're good.
I really personally just needed a mental health week last week and I'm sure all of us can
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I think a break now and then just really makes that much of a difference and just you know
makes you a better you.
I took away.
I took a lot more time.
I'm sorry to research our interesting topic today and I also took my fedas back to the
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And I encourage you all of course to honestly take a break now and then really it's a lie.
It's a hard world.
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Don't worry.
Today we were supposed to record together, but she had took a spring to the leg.
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I just want her to chill, relax, do whatever she needed to do.
And I was just like, hey, I'll just do the episode myself today.
I'll make it pretty special for you guys.
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We're going to just dive into this case.
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This case that we're going to cover today is a pretty gruesome one.
So I know that I put a sensory at the beginning of this, but still, I'm probably going to
give a little warning beforehand or I'm going to try to at least when things get gruesome.
But I feel like this case in general is laid out to be a pretty gruesome case.
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So just know that the next two episodes will be related to this case.
And if that doesn't really work for you, of course, as always, we understand we never
want to really violate anyone's ears too much.
But I really also feel like a lot of the things that we put into these episodes are very important
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and it really makes you come to realize that, hey, these things in the world do happen.
They happen around us all the time, way more than we realize it.
And it's just really nice to know that as the podcast are feeding this history and this
information to listeners, you are all being able to understand to with me that, hey, you
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know, this world is a beautiful world, but it comes with a lot of problems.
And I think we already know that.
But going into the cracks and crevices of it.
But without further ado, let's get into our story today.
All right, so our story today is a story that takes place in England.
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So I thought it would be kind of cool to go to England today.
I honestly feel like we don't cover enough or we don't cover a ton of stories outside
of the US.
And I'm like, I really want to do a lot more in Europe.
We're going to do a ton more just in other places, but Europe specifically, I've always
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had a huge passion for Europe.
Europe, Europe.
And I've always wanted to really just be living there.
Honestly, I feel like you guys know me know that I have always loved the French language.
I learned French in college and I studied there.
And I've always been someone that's obsessed with just the European culture.
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So I just always I thought it was time.
Just dive into a case that takes place in England.
So there's that.
I know I knew nothing about this case, first of all.
This case stuck out to me just because it kind of related to one that we all know.
And it's all by the title of this episode, which is Dennis Nielsen, the British Jeffrey
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Dahmer.
So you'll all understand why that is so much tied to they're so tied to each other, first
of all.
You'll also see a lot of not only parallels, but also a lot of just the deeper madness.
In this case, does take place before Jeffrey Dahmer.
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I'll say that before we even start.
But you'll see why.
And by the end of this, you'll see why they tie them in together.
So here is episode 26.
On February 4th, 1983, one late evening around midnight, a tenant living at the Craneley Garden
Flats in Muswell Hill, North London calls for a drain specialist at Dino Rod to come
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investigate a drain blockage at their complex.
Six other curious tenants had joined to see what the bloody hell was going on with their
drains and why it was getting clogged because this was a problem that all the tenants were
actually having.
One tenant among the rest came out to see what was going on.
And this was Dennis Nielsen.
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A 37 year old, 6th one, kind of basic looking dude with a classic, with the 80s kind of
frames and the black hair.
Very very 80s look, I'll say.
Mike Cataran, which is the Dino Rod employee that came out, informed the tenants that their
complaints about the drains being clogged is being looked at.
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So to sit tight and he be getting to it and getting this situation dealt with.
So the specialist, Mike, grabs his equipment in a flashlight and descends into the manhole.
Instantly Mike began to smell an odor.
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Instantly Mike began to smell an odor.
So unbearable he started to gag.
After shining the light in the direction of the terrible odor.
Mike was faced with this most horrifying sight for human eyes to ever see.
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Like straight off a horror movie I could say personally myself.
He found chunks of mangled rotting flesh and bone.
Now police and investigators were immediately called.
Mike had initially thought that this was an animal.
Spoiler, it was an animal.
So Mike tells tenants he and his supervisor will return in the morning to try to get this
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mess cleaned up.
The next morning the Dino Rod employees come back to clean the backed up flesh when Mike
notices what was the other previous night looked to have been already cleaned.
Though they still notice that small bone fragments and flesh were still caught throughout the
drain leading up to the top floor apartment belonging to tenant Nilsson.
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So the police call the police to investigate the problem.
And not long after the police arrive and tenants are all questioning what the hell is going
on.
You see police everywhere.
I get it.
When they walked up police had been told that there were these bone fragments they had
found and led up to that specific flat.
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I like to call a flat instead of apartment.
But they had been led to Dinsons flat and noticed that he wasn't there.
But another tenant said that he'd be back from work later that afternoon so they waited
and waited.
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Eerily that morning while Dennis was at his desk at work while the police were investigating
what was going on here at his flat.
A colleague will later state that Dennis had been acting weird and jokingly turned towards
them and said quote if I'm not in tomorrow I'll be ill, dead, or I'll be in jail.
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So later that evening Dennis had returned home from work and he's met with Detective
Chief Inspector Jay and Inspector Jesus Muckster and another officer waiting to ask Dennis
a couple questions about the weird remains that were found in the manhole that connected
to his flat.
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As soon as Dennis opened up the door the inspectors were rudely bombarded by the pre-trufying
smell of de-comp.
Well when Inspector Jay asked what that smell was Dennis calmly answered quote what you're
looking for is stored in the bags around this apartment.
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Inspector says quote stop messing about where is the rest of the body unquote and Dennis
walks over to the bedroom and points to a wardrobe.
When the inspector walks over to open the wardrobe in it are two massive black trash
bags.
Dennis is then handcuffed and brought in under suspicion of murder which I would definitely
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arrest him to and on the way to the police station Inspector Muckster asks are we talking
about one body or two here and Dennis immediately replies quote 15 or 16.
So I know that's crazy and you're partly wondering who in the world is Dennis Nielsen.
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I personally am not sure if a lot of our listeners I know we have a lot of listeners over in
Europe and I'm personally not sure I know we have I know we have a handful of listeners
over in England I'm not sure if any of you listeners are over there know a ton about
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him or not I know that he is infamously known to be again like the British Jeffrey Dahmer
and things like that like this he is infamously known as the British Jeffrey Dahmer and he's
also known as the Muswell Hill murderer.
So that actually kind of goes hand in hand with today's episode because today is going
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to be called that and then you're going to notice in part two it's going to be called
the Muswell Hill murderers.
So I just felt that those two kind of go hand in hand with each other with how the story
goes again and he had been known to have killed at least 15 I am not kidding you 15 young
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men and boys between 1978 and 1983 and this monster was brought to earth on November 23rd
1945 if I'm not mistaken he is not a Scorpio we don't claim him I think he just made it
on that cusp of the Sagittarius but I might be wrong if I am wrong that's embarrassing
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but I think I'm right.
So yes he was born November 23rd 1945 and Firstburg Scotland.
Firstburg itself is known to be a very pretty small fish village in the council area of
Amber Sheenshire I'm sorry if I butchered that in Scotland.
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Now like many of our discussed serial killers Dennis did not experience the best childhood
he was born to a Norwegian soldier that traveled to Scotland in 1940 named Olaf Mangan Mielsen
and his Scottish mother Betty White not Betty White the actress we know this okay moving
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on along with Dennis were also his brother Olaf Nielsen the second and Sylvia Nielsen
not sure if they were older younger I didn't find any sources that specified that for sure
but either way right from the beginning it was clear that Dennis's father Olaf had
no interest in having a family he never spent time with any of his kids and often left Betty
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alone for months and just for her to care for the children eventually by the age of
six years old his father was completely out of the picture eventually Betty remarry to
a man named Adam Scott and had four more children and then sent Dennis to spend time away with
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his grandfather for a while now Dennis's 62 year old grandfather Andrew was allegedly
very strict ill tempered and just single-minded as kind of that type of guy I guess a man's
man I don't know but despite Andrew's ways he and Dennis actually got along really well
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they instantly grew a really strong bond with another they go on walks for hours they often
fish together and his grandfather would tell Dennis about all the tales about sailing and
selling us a young man it's like one of those like when I was a boy I have gone a season
you know whatever whatever else so Dennis was really happy because it's said that he
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didn't really like his half-father and so having his grandpa was like a real father figure
to him though that same year that Dennis was sent away to live with Andrew on Halloween
day 1951 his grandfather had been found dead that morning in his fishing boat being that
Dennis was six at the time he did not understand that his grandfather was dead and eventually
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he was sent back home with his mother they held an open casket funeral and he saw his
grandfather laying there and asked his mom when was grandpa going to wake up and like
Marnie parents probably would Dennis's mother had just kind of said he's taking a long nap
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or you know he's in a better place so it's one of those you know oh okay well I feel
like you're putting that image in their kids head but you know you know grandpa's okay
he's in a better place he might come back one day and I think that's the kind of notion
that he got in his head not saying that this losing of another figure of a male in his
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life had to account for anything he did later on because what he does later on is terrible
but that I'm not I of course don't want to mess that up with each other but I do want
to say that as a kid that does suck and especially when it's like your parents want to protect
you but they don't want to hurt you it's kind of like a double it's sword in a way so days
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eventually turned into months and later on after Dennis was caught he will later claim
that this at this time he was six years old and it was his most vivid memory because one
day he had a father in the next day he was gone and when I say father he was meeting
his grandfather after his grandfather's death Dennis grew up and started to develop a terrible
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habit of collecting pets especially pigeons he would keep them for a short period of time
and then viciously slaughter them I think Betty found this kind of as a phase but not completely
sure he'd go down the same trails alone that he and his grandfather would go down which
I don't think that's terribly I don't think that's weird at all quite honestly I guess
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that's just everyone grays in their own ways kind of a thing I have my times to where I
definitely have needed to grieve my own way and he will also write about the scene his
journals all the while he was still be killing innocent birds though in grade school Dennis
seemed to have been a pretty average student he later claimed that he'd become infatuated
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with the son of a local minister but it was clear to Dennis that he had no interest in
school and it showed in his grades and it kind of slipped at the age of 15 years old
he dropped out of school to join the army for Dennis joining the army was the best decision
he had ever made so this is something he really liked to do he loved the discipline of the
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army he loved what they enforced he loved the physical hard training and he felt wanted
well liked and just wanted by all his comrades really the main area where Dennis worked in
the army was catering and it was catering to like the other army units so like cooking
propping food etc etc so this is where he learned the art of butchering I I'm not just
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talking about cut up some you know raw steak and serve it to soldiers I'm talking about
butchering these animals and doing the whole operation from scratch and it's gruesome
to even think about but Dennis was fascinated by the shot crazy just a little listen Dennis
was well liked and not super bullied for his liking towards guys which also kind of started
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opening him up to experimenting Dennis is starting to find discreet guys over campus
with similar sexual curiosities as his he even found some male sex workers that he had gotten
contacts with while serving in the Middle East but casual hookups just really started
to get boring for him and it wouldn't ask arousam as much the guys he would sleep with
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it would just have one nice sense with him and then leave and Dennis wanted more than
that as time had passed on in the army Dennis began to find different ways to arouse himself
and not in healthy ways either at some point Dennis found this clay mineral called talc
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which can be a very harmful thing to your body it's kind of like a it's a yeah it's
like a mineral but he would use us he would really grows he would strip his self bearer
cover himself in powder blew his lips to appear dead and then masturbate to himself in the
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mirror after a decade into serving for the military Dennis have found a guy that he was
really into this was 18 year old private he found while stationed on the Shetland Islands
in Scotland this was big for him because when a man had entered his life he had felt loved
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again although this guy knew Dennis was only stationed temporarily and just wanted to save
friends while hooking up it's understandable this outrage Dennis he did not take it easy
at all reports say that shortly before Dennis went back home to the base he said that poor
guy stuff him fire along with some photos in the movie footage that had apparently made
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when they were just goofing around eventually Dennis also got fed up with the army and the
politics around it so he moved back home to first bird with his mom and siblings although
so he wouldn't stay as long as he had intended to I am not 100% confident on this note but
apparently after a couple weeks of moving back in with his family Dennis and his brother
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Olaf Jr had gotten to some ugly argument about how he can't come home to a F.A.G.
and we know what that is I'm not I'm not gonna say it and so Dennis left home and never
came back just decided to leave so this is when in December of 1972 Dennis and his 20s
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had moved to England so he's not in Scotland he's in England now and he decides to take
up police training to join the Metropolitan in the Lenten England the Metropolitan I
think it's like the police force I don't know for sure don't at me now not long after
being hired as a officer Dennis was re-exposed to death seeing bodies and morgues viewing
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autopsies of these bodies which eventually just get began to just grow into this wild
and gross fetish now none of this death really bothered Dennis what really ended up being
the big deal breaker for him was when a co-worker in him had caught a gay male couple engaging
an intercourse off the side of a road near their vehicle Dennis cannot bring himself
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to arrest the couple at the time so he told the co-worker no and the co-worker kind of
gave him shit for it a little bit and so he just decided to quit because of that one altercation
being that Dennis just decided to quit on the spot like that put him in a really bad in
tough situation with money he saved no money he spent most of his earnings getting drunk
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at pubs and at clubs and just edging more towards poverty he ended up selling his general service
medal to make do with the flat that he had after a couple days he just decided you know
what I'm just gonna sign up for unemployment benefits and see how much I get back and he
didn't get much but he was offered to work for the English Civil Service which is job
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center I think again I did a little research on what job center was I think it's honestly
helping if I'm not mistaken correct me if I'm wrong helping other people get jobs I
think that's what that is so his political and social views really kept him from making
any friends at this new English Civil Service job they also found him odd and abnormal but
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he felt happy with the job so just started refocusing on love so that brings us to January
1974 one night while out Dennis meets a young Tony something named David Gallachan and they
hit it off he went home with Dennis they hook up several weeks go by and they are a couple
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in love and officially dating so Dennis has his first official boyfriend after a month
or so goes by and they decide it's time to move in together so they do they move into
195 Malrose Avenue in north London this is one of the infamous flats that sees a lot
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of dark shit so keep that address in mind eventually months turn into years and the
two have even bought a puppy named bleep oh my god I think that's so cute when I look
that up and I'll say that so right now bleep is okay throughout this whole story I just
have to say that but everything was great although David started falling out of love
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for Dennis of course this wrecked Dennis but he tried to ignore his feelings about this
and filled the void with finding guys at bars again working extra hours at work and drinking
copious amounts of rum every night by the way unfortunately for the sake of humanity
around Christmas time in 1978 Dennis I got into the deepest point of his lonesome and
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depression this is when Dennis decides to commit his first murder according to Dennis's
confession on December 30th 1978 Dennis meets this kid at Cricklewood Arms Pub this was
18 year old Stephen Holmes who at the time was an Irish laborer Dennis Sweet talked Stephen
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they went back to Dennis's flat where they both drank themselves asleep now sometime
in the middle of the night Dennis wakes up according to him he's thinking I don't
want this to end so Dennis grabs the necktie he had near the bed grips the kid's neck
with the necktie and squeezes until the kid was fully unconscious, drawn to his head into
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a bucket of water, bathed his now dead body and dried it he wanted to keep his corpse
out but got paranoid someone would find him so Dennis lifts up the floorboards throws
Stephen's body into the pit underneath the floorboards where he will remain rotting for
the next 8 months the first murder really worried Dennis for a couple of months but
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eventually he was ready to get back out there and start searching for his next victim you
know once you just do one you just keep doing it right no that's wrong you don't the second
victim would have been 20 year old Andrew Ho but Andrew actually got away while being
strangled by Dennis in his flat he got away and went to police but decided later not to
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press any charges for any reasons I definitely think personally that this could have been
just because at the time it was just strongly shone upon and I don't fully know but I could
you could wonder I feel like you definitely wonder so this made Dennis's second victim
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20 year old Kenneth Okadon Kenneth was a Canadian student that I think was
studying abroad or visiting England December 3rd 1979 Kenneth decided to hit up some gay
clubs in the area and one of the pubs Kenneth happens to me a man named Dennis they come
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first and they get to know each other a little and Dennis offers Kenneth a tour of London's
landmarks so of course how could Kenneth say no to a free ride around town they leave after
the tour Dennis convinces Kenneth to come over to his flat for some music and drinking so
at Dennis's flat and while Kenneth is distracted with headphones on that Dennis that gave to
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him Dennis sneaks up behind Kenneth and strangles him with an electrical cord until he hears
Kenneth's neck snap I am not kidding you can't make this stuff up so then Dennis lays
Kenneth down and he lays him beside him on the bed and just decides to go to sleep just
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a forewarning this next part is very grotesque so if you wanted to just skip ahead a little
bit for this I don't blame you so the next morning Dennis washes the body dries the
body he takes the polaroids of the corpse engages in sex with it then places his lifeless
body into a garbage bag underneath the floorboards next to the others but even more horrifically
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Dennis sticks up and replace it Kenneth's body four different times four different times
every time he we dug up the body he admitted that he would do some really gross wings
to it that I'm not going to mention on the show and then leaves his body in the armchair
while Dennis ate dinner drank watched television and went to work it was like it was nothing
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his third identified victim was later identified as Martin Duffy so Martin was kind of a troubled
16 year old from Maryside England at the time of Martin's death he was a homeless hitchhiker
I am not sure about a ton of his background I can only imagine again that could have been
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I mean based on maybe just who he was his parents didn't accept him who knows but on
May 13th 1980 Dennis invited the kid over to spend the night at his place while Martin
slept on Dennis's couch Dennis hops on top of Martin and strangles him unconscious with
his bare hands I don't know if you guys can even picture this I don't even want to but
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imagine how much force it could take to strangle someone unconscious with your hands like that
is a lot of pressure and a lot of force that you had to put into something human neck is
a lot of it's fairly tough so just thinking about that is crazy so Dennis drags Martin
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into the kitchen fills the kitchen sink with water and John's a minute this time Dennis
literally bays with Martin's corpse he kisses it and along with other grotesque things that
again I'm not going to mention he talks to the body he even comments the corpse and
then continues the same thing with Martin's corpse for days after eventually the body
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but obviously right and when it became too bloated he placed the body with the others
in the floorboards when the smell became too much for him he would just decide to start
spraying the bodies with insecticide to rid of the hundreds of maggots and on top of that
smell he would top it off with some deodorant spray I am sorry but deodorant cannot coat
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the stink of even a living human you thought that that would work I don't care if that's
even anti-perspirant spray that that doesn't work on on no no I'm sorry sir it's not
it's not going to happen like I said that wasn't going to work so Dennis brought himself
to dissect and dismember the three bodies in his bathtub he boiled their severed heads
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in a large cooking pot so that he could boil the skin off for bone he placed the parts
in the suitcase and buried them in the garden that he and his ex-partner had built together
can't imagine although Dennis's next two victims luckily escaped from the clutches
of this monster he also did luck out though neither victim reported that Dennis attempted
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to kill them and he just got away with it so some of you may be wondering at this point
where in the world are the other tenants at aren't there other tenants if he's living
in a flat you know yes there are I don't know how this got beyond the tenants but honestly
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none of the tenants that lived in this specific location that he lived had really knew that
Dennis was doing anything they knew that he had guys over but I think it was one of those
things that was more like he's gay so I don't know about gay people you know leave him alone
that let him just do his thing whatever whatever so I again I don't know can't say for sure
(33:25):
but I think that was the mentality and often he would bring these victims sometimes they
would get away but again I think people just brush it off as that's a gay thing I wouldn't
understand that that's their thing whatever and he did it in a very low key way so somehow
he just really got away with it for a very long time Dennis had a small window of time
(33:50):
where he actually halted the horrors he inflicted on these young men because his landlord wanted
to renovate the building that he was living in the existing tenants were moved to a separate
housing space for some time but I guess Dennis came to an agreement that he could stay in
the attic of the building months later Dennis got his flat back and the flat he had was on
(34:13):
the bottom floor where he eventually reached his next and fourth victim this was 27 year
old Billy Sutherland Billy was living in the area of north London he didn't make a living
from prostitution and had been approached by Dennis Billy and Dennis conversed a little
(34:33):
Dennis let Billy in to drive back to his place where after not long Dennis strangles Billy
until he is out of breath he finishes him off from drowning he rapes him and dismember
his body the next victim is 27 year old Malcolm Barlow he had grown up in orphan in London
(34:53):
with a learning disability he met Dennis in a more romantic way this was a sweet and innocent
guy that I'm talking about Malcolm I'm not talking about Dennis fuck Dennis I'm talking
about Malcolm Dennis I'm sorry oh my god Malcolm was a very sweet and innocent guy that just
really wanted to find love and had also unfortunately just fell victim to a person that could not
(35:18):
care less about anyone's emotions and was just a monster and I can even consider him
a human by 1981 Dennis had successfully raped tortured and dismembered a dozen men and young
boys just in that one apartment he would just repeat the process of inviting these boys
(35:39):
over and getting them in a vulnerable state and assaulting them and dismembering them
and shoves them under his kitchen sink like what in his wardrobe and his under his floorboards
and he would just dispose of them months later like you had time to think about this before
you did it and he just goes in and just does it and it's just so gruesome to think that
(36:02):
even being a tenant even it's crazy to think that they didn't smell anything or didn't
have too many thoughts about what's going on some people were curious but I don't think
anyone really dove in so it was just kind of like he was getting away with all of this
and it's just so sad too because there are survivors but those survivors were just and
(36:24):
I don't blame them in some way just terrified to even come out and come forth with what
happened to them and like I said not many people nor police really reported the missing
guys even if they figured they might have been missing from the general area because
many of them were either queer they were thrown out of their homes they were male escorts
(36:45):
or they ran away and the notion kind of was around them in this time that you know they're
queer they wanted to go missing or they're a little less human for selling their bodies
they're gay they just wouldn't understand things like that which is just so sad because
it's just like you just you're so mad because you're like I wish that people did more for
(37:09):
these these young boys or you know at least they were shown a path a better path because
they were human too and they didn't deserve to lose their lives because some area asshole
just decides to come in their life and take that away from them in 1982 eventually Dennis
did feel that it was time to move out of the flat that he lived in because of the suspicion
(37:33):
some neighbors I just think that he was starting to coward because he kept making up excuses
as for the smell I guess reading this now I will say there was one tenant that had claims
later on that he had told them the oldest stem from structural problems with the building
but come on you know that is not structural problems so Dennis moves out of his flat on
(37:58):
195 Melrose Avenue and now moves to a second floor flat at 23 greenlee gardens and Muswell
Hill which was in the same area of north London Dennis later claimed that he purposely chose
the top floor flat at Muswell Hill I think it's muscle and Muswell I'm gonna get that
(38:19):
right to quote suppress the murders I don't think again this was because he wanted to
stop killing I think it was because he didn't want to get caught but either way it didn't
matter because even living on a top floor apartment didn't stop him from killing and
eventually he found new ways to dispose of the bodies and things just got way worse than
(38:44):
they've already gotten then you'll just have to wait to find out in our next episode so
that brings us to the end of part one of our Dennis Nielsen case but you know what I figured
since I am already doing this and my so just keep it going I'm just gonna release episode
(39:05):
27 to you guys let's say Monday so if you're listening to this at the time it comes out
I think this is coming out Friday and then you will have this episode 27 which is part
two of our Dennis Nielsen case on Monday have to split it up a little bit so I can't
print crunch from two too closely but you will get it and you won't have to wait too
(39:31):
long so stay tuned for that and of course thank you all for listening again this is
new for me this is actually kind of crazy and I was kind of nervous doing this but you
know you guys are very supportive I think you all for listening continue listening give
us all the left that you can anyway you can and yes we hope to see you next when the lights
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go out.
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