Episode 28: Cursed Movies (Chapter 2)

You are not ready for this!How well do we really know what happens behind the curtains of Hollywood cinema? Well today, Ken covers the brutal incident on the 'Twilight Zone Movie' set and Bri covers the insane story behind a movie extra that had appeared in the classic horror flick 'The Exorcism' as an extra and what he did behind closed doors. Literally!

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April 2020 , Cursed Films; Twilight Zone MovieApril. 2020, Cursed Films; The ExorcistButt, Thomas , March 2023, Was 'Twilight Zone: The Movie' a Cursed Production?https://collider.com/twilight-zone-the-movie-cursed/History.com , March 2023, Actor and two children killed on "Twilight Zone" sethttps://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/actor-and-two-children-killed-on-twilight-zone-setMcKennett, Hannah , Jan 2022 , Paul Bateson Was In One Of The Most Horrifying Scenes Of ‘The Exorcist’ Before Becoming A Murdererhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/paul-batesonApril 2018 , Grey Orrin Paul Bateson : The Real-Life Killer Who Appeared in The Exorcisthttps://the-line-up.com/paul-bateson

Episode Transcript

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Grab your butter and your popcorn and your ice cream.

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That's an inside joke for us, but anyone who has seen the vine.
Yeah you haven't seen that vine, look it up.
I got ice cream, I got popcorn.
It's a great one.
Anyways, I'm Kendall and I'm Bree.
And this is When The Light Goes Out.
Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo!

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Literally do that sound of ice every time.
Oh yeah, it's okay, we love it though.
It's a good one.
It's a great one.
I love it.
Bye!
Well, well it first of all has been so, so long since we've heard the lovely boys

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of Bree.
How have you been girl?
Girl.
It's been one week since I rolled my ankle and fell down the steps.
I've told this story like 80 times because I work with a lot of people and all my friends
and family were asking, but essentially I was like carrying down a tub of clothes.
Yeah, I think I'm sitting right next to the corporate.

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Said tub is right next to- Said tub is right here.
Said tub is in the room.
It's in the room.
It's listening.
And then I was carrying down the tub.
It was heavy.
I couldn't really see.
I thought I was closer to the landing than I actually was.
So I confidently took a step down and instead of there being landing, there was one more
step and instead of my foot like sitting flat on the step or falling flat on the step, it

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caught the edge.
That probably took a curve.
Yeah, it caught the edge.
So I basically slipped off that last bottom step and then my foot got like, because it
was so close to the landing, my foot basically got like caught, I guess, in a way.
And I was falling, so I rolled it.
It got stuck and I rolled it and it hurt really bad and it still hurts.

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It's not as bad, but I've had to wear this ugly ass like brace for the last week.
It looks so stupid on my outfit.
It's so stupid.
So I've been walking with a limp.
A little limp.
It's okay.
You're out here PIMPing.
So.
I just want to call it that.
I'm like, everybody's making fun of me for my cast.

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I want to decorate it, but I probably am only going to be weighing it for maybe like one
more week or so.
One more week.
That's great though.
That's great news.
I'm so happy that you ended up being okay because honestly, Bre texts to me last week.
Yeah, it was last week and I was like, oh, fuck.
I think I told it all of you.
If you listened to the last, I came out with two episodes girl.
I don't even know why I told you that.

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Two episodes.
Period.
I'm not sure what the way it was about the same subject, but I was telling everyone about
how I was just like, girl, now take some take a break.
Take a fucking break.
Like, and I was so down on myself that day too.
I was just having a bad day and the rolling my ankle really set the tone for it.
And I just like, I was like, man.

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Yeah, I just didn't work out the way we have.
Sorry.
Excuse me.
It didn't work out the way we initially hoped.
I think just because with that happening, it kind of took up the whole day first of
all.
And then it's so annoying because we are recording right now, like late night on a Thursday night.
And so I always, I edit everything like right after.

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And so last week when God, yeah, for the first time ever, he literally had the episode done
at like three PM.
I was done.
Yeah.
And two episodes done.
And I was like, okay, I'm ready.
And then I was like, uh, I literally.
Like I was like, I think I got a pretty early start to that day too.
Like I was trying to leave out of my house and run some errands before like Kendall

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texted me because well, normally he texts like later in the day.
So I'm always like expecting it a little bit more later.
So I was like, I have some time to like go see my mom and like go run some errands and
blah, blah, blah.
And that's what I get for trying to.
That's what we get for trying to be ahead of the game.
Yeah.
That's what I get for like trying to like enjoy the first part of my day off as like
getting some errands on and that's what gets forgetting that episode done early.

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Oh gosh.
Yeah.
Just our luck.
Okay.
Well, we're here now and you look fine as fuck as ever.
I'm literally sitting here with my pants on buttoned.
It's okay.
I'm wearing, I have greased things on my, we're not going to talk about ourselves right
now.
I worked a full shift.
I came home, I cleaned because I hadn't cleaned literally since I rolled my ankle.

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So it's been like a week by apartment was gross.
Like my cats love tearing shit up.
So I needed a vacuum so bad.
Bree still claims, she claims that her place is still messy.
Every time Kendall comes over, I'm always like, I cleaned.
Yeah.
It's always, it always looks pristine to me.
I need some like, what's the word I'm looking for?
Gratification.
No, it's okay.

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Someone appreciating it.
That's how I am about working out.
I'm like, oh my God, I've been working out how I look and.
Yeah, I'm like, you look good.
You look great.
You look great.
You look great.
Hi, baby.
Well, bunny is now getting into my duffle bag.
She's here with us.
The body bag.
The body bag.
The body bag.
She's a good girl.
She's fine.

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You gotta watch out for boo.
Yeah, that is true.
Boo will come around here and fuck up all my shit.
That's what I'm saying.
She was the one tearing shit up and then because she started, bunny started.
It's true.
Y'all is so bad.
Uh, well.
With a more full heart though.
Geez, I'm sorry.
By the way, if I get my, I don't know what's been going on, Lili, but I've got a lot of

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allergies.
I've been, I've been congested.
Yeah, I think it's allergies or something over here in the Midwest.
Weather is unpredictable.
Everywhere.
It's kind of warm today, but it was, it was, I went outside to, uh, what did I do?
I went outside once today because I work from home and, um, what did I go outside to do?

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I was meant to take out the trash.
Fuck.
I think I just really went outside to discuss my friend.
Oh no, it was to take my dog outside to use the bathroom because she's blind.
Yeah.
So that was it.
She's blind and deaf and old.
She's a good girl though.
We love pebbles.
We love pebbles.
I love you pebbles.
Um, well, in terms of movies, cause that's kind of like our topic today.

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Um, I just wanted to, I just thought about this actually.
I have been talking a lot to my friends that lives in England, not England.
I'm sorry, France.
Her name is Narissa.
Shout out to you, Narissa.
She, uh, just a site, site story on that.
She was one of my good friends I made when I studied abroad in 2020 and France, France,

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uh, was great.
Got distracted.
Since we're talking about, uh, French, French, since we're talking about France, shout out
Salome.
Hey Salome, I love you girl.
Hey Salome.
Hey Salome.
Anyway, I had to.
I had to.
If we're shouting out our French people right now, I know one too.
I have to.
Anyway, go back to your destructive habits.

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I'm sorry, France.
Um, so yeah, uh, we had, we had made, we were good friends that we, um, just couldn't stop
talking to each other over time.
We just have constructed a great relationship.
But, um, we were, we talk, we've been talking a lot recently about American culture and

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we're talking more about just this topic of me because I think specifically I was kind
of like, what if I went back into like the entertainment world in terms of like acting
because once upon a time I loved acting like I, all through high school, I was, I was,
I, you remember I was in the plays.
You were there.
You were there.
I was, um, not to say in high school, but you know, we met each other in high school.

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So, um, yeah, I was a huge theater nerd, a huge choir nerd.
And I thought recently like, what if I tried a little harder to get there again?
And I was thinking about it.
We were talking about it, but I really have been having, and I'll tie this into it too,
the worst mental health lately, which is also why every week I'm like, guys, ask your friends

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how their mental health is because some days you just don't know.
And it's like, you really get depressed.
It's a depressing time.
So I get it.
And I was just like, I really don't feel like I would, I feel like I could see myself getting
there, but you know, I don't see myself putting in that work at this time just because I feel
like we live in a society where, you know, our world, I mean, not a world, but like our

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society teaches us about, you know, the American dream and about, you know, it's not real.
It's not real.
Exactly.
It's not real.
And it just, it just almost doesn't seem fair because we're also like talking about like
the not-potism babies and how they take over everything, everything, everything, you know,

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and it's like just sad because like, I feel like only at 10% of the people who have to
start from the bottom, the rock bottom, get there.
And it's like, it's so sad.
It's so sad that it's kind of like that, but it is.
And I mean, I'll let you guys know if I do pursue something, I've been actually doing
some research.
It was a dream of mine once upon a time, still could be very young.

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So pursue your dreams.
Yeah.
And if anything, that's the takeaway from that.
So pursue your dreams, even if, you know, all the not-potism babies are out here, still
in shit or whatever else, just do your thing.
It's cool.
But that kind of just leads us into another topic about entertainment and movies.

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Today is another episode, I guess part two, chapter two of our cursed films or cursed movies.
That was terrible.
I thought she was gonna stop on my keyboard.
Well, without, okay, don't do that though.
Stop.
I told you she wants to see the world burn.

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We're on air boo, stop it, we're on air.
She wants to see the world burn.
I'm telling you, I don't think y'all believe me when I say that shit.
Yeah, she's just shocked, but I don't blame her.
That's why I thought she was a Scorpio at first.
Girl, no, she's whatever March is.
Oh, she's like, my mom's in March too.
She's almost yelling at us right now, like fuck, and telling us what it is right now.

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Like you should know us.
All of the astrology bitches are definitely gonna come through for a throats.
Don't come through my throats.
She's an Aries, that makes so much fucking sense.
Oh, my mom is an Aries now, I think of her.
Holy shit, that makes so much sense.
Boo, you are such an Aries, she wants to see the world burn and she's like so all about
herself.
Especially that meme of that girl that's like seeing the house burn but looking at the

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camera.
Yeah, that's her.
You know what I'm talking about?
That's her.
And like literally, that makes so much sense.
That literally makes so much sense.
I can tell you that.
And her mom's a Scorpio so you know we're about to fence a lot in this race.
Oh, yeah.
That's, oh my god, that's so crazy because my mom is an Aries and then I'm a Scorpio
and we butt heads like crazy.

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It's too strong like.
Too strong personalities, yeah.
That's true.
Damn.
But I love her with my heart.
Yeah, I love my mom, I guess.
No, I'm just kidding, I love her.
I love your mom if you ever listening to this.
She probably wouldn't but great.
My dad might.
I don't know if my mom listens to mine.
I know she listens to our first episode.
I don't know if she keeps up on it.
You know, my friend Chris who.
Mom doesn't want to.

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Yeah, I know.
I don't blame them.
My friend Chris who's probably listening to this right now.
Hi, Chris.
Shout out to you.
Hey, crazy poo.
I think he mentioned that his dad was considering listening to the show and I'm like, oh my god.
Hey, Mr. What is, oh fuck.
He's yelling at me right now.
Chris, fuck, I'm sorry Chris, it's late.

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Oh fuck, what is his last name?
You know what, I'm not going to say that out loud anyways because we don't want you guys
to, you know.
Oh yeah, true that.
Yeah.
Shout out to anybody.
Yeah, it's cool.
So it's a good thing that.
Shout out Chris man versus dad.
Shout out to y'all.
We love y'all.
Now I'm moving on because we can finally get to our two stories.
Oh my god, I literally love them.

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That's a lot.
That was a lot.
We had a lot to catch up on though so it's okay.
Man, we haven't seen each other in like two weeks.
Two weeks worth.
Alright, so our first story is a story that I am going to tell you guys.
Our second story, Bree, here is going to share with y'all.
Our first movie that we'll be talking about that is considered a cursed movie is the horrific

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incident on set of the Twilight Zone.
So basically this is of course the Twilight Zone movie.
I don't know if anyone has seen the Twilight Zone movie.
I know Bree's actually haven't seen it.
I like to though.
It's really good.
I've watched a couple episodes of the Twilight Zone show.
Yeah, I have too.
I didn't see this movie.
I actually watched this movie for this.

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I actually liked it a lot.
I strongly suggest it.
The first little short that they have is very difficult to watch because it covers a lot
of difficult topics which this one is actually the main base of our story for me.
I'm going to give you a brief overview about the others and stuff in just a second.

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But yeah, like I said, the creators of this movie were John Landis and Steven Spielberg
as well as Joe Dante and George Miller.
They had created this film as an anthology inspired by the original Twilight Zone TV
series.
What's an anthology?

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An anthology is, in case anyone knows, is basically different stories being told in
one set of something.
So if I can tell it a little better, it's basically if you've ever seen people doing
different ways all the time.
Let's say the Twilight Zone series itself is an anthology because it has different episodes,

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each episode that have nothing to do with each other.
Normally like cartoons are too.
Cartoons are too.
There are also anthologies.
Movies can be if they do it the right way.
Basically a lot of things really can be in a certain stance.
So it was, like I said, a really interesting movie to check out.

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The film had four separate stories or sequences we can call them.
One is about a prejudice bigot that has the tables turned on him.
The second story is about a group of senior citizens that live together at a retirement
home and one night they all wish to be kids again.
In the next day they are kids and they must decide whether or not they want to keep or

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get rid of their gift slash curse.
I mean, I probably wouldn't want to live forever so now.
And then the third story is kind of bizarre in the sense that a woman accidentally hits
a little boy off a bike with her car and tries him home to his strange family members but
come to find out later.

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The kid has some powers with some sinister intentions and the family, well, I'll just
leave that for you guys if you ever watch it.
But it is interesting.
I actually think that one was my favorite one.
It was really weird and kooky.
It gave me very much like Tim Burton vibes.
So you can love Tim Burton.
And then the fourth one is about a guy that gets increasingly terrified because he's

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on a plane and he thinks that he sees a man on the wing of the plane.
And what he really sees turns out to be this weird gargoyle Jeepers Creepers looking monster
that's trying to crash the plane.
So I feel like I've seen a clip of that for some reason.
You probably have.
That one's really familiar because I think it's actually based off of other Twilight

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series episodes.
So it's the first one actually to loosely based on it at least.
Maybe I've seen.
Yeah.
And John Landis is actually a director for other episodes of the Twilight Zone.
So I'm sure you've heard you've seen similar ones before.
But we're going to really just focus on the first short in the anthology film.

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So I'll give a brief summary of what happens in the story and then explain what really
happened behind the scenes of filming the sequence and how it brought this film crew
to court in an open criminal case.
Pretty crazy.
Oh my God.
So in the first sequence titled Time Out, which is what the segment was called, main

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character Bill Connor, played by Vic Morrow, plays a clearly prejudice white male businessman
who is at this bar with his coworker dudes.
And Bill is pissed because he just lost a promotion to his Jewish coworker named Goldman
and then starts yelling slurs towards anyone in there that isn't white because he's claiming

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that there are other reasons America has problems.
Yeah, we all know that.
We all have seen that or have seen on Tik Tok or I'm sure something.
Where are they called them?
Well, anyways, I'll keep going.
A black guy stands up and tells him, chill the fuck out.
Not a direct quote.
Kyle's.
Oh yeah.
I think there are Kyle's.

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Or Kevin's too.
I heard Kevin's.
Well, I've heard Kyle's with the like Mountain Dew and like the monster or the monster.
The rebel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, don't be coming for the rebels.
The monsters.
Honestly, I love rebel.
We said that at the same time, jeans.
I love my rebel.
I love my.
Okay, now you're good.

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So a black guy stands up and tells him, chill the fuck out.
Not a direct quote.
I just want to say that.
So Bill gets frustrated and he leaves the bar and almost instantly he finds himself
going from the 18 1980s, which is when this movie takes place to the 1940s in the middle
of World War Two in France, which is when the Nazis occupy France after stupidly he

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asked a Nazi soldier to help him and realizes that they see him as Jewish.
So they start chasing him and eventually they chase him to a ledge and they start shooting
at him and stuff, eventually letting him into a rural countryside of Alabama.
Sorry, excuse me in the 1950s, smack dab in the middle of a Ku Klux Klan chapter right

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around a few, which.
Oh boy.
So in the middle of fucking nowhere, he's just kind of there.
And so once they see him, they think who they are seeing is a black man and they start chasing
him, attempting to lynch Bill.
Which slight note, although they had shown these men dressed in head to toe in the Klan

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outfits.
I understood the objective of like this story, I guess, in this part of the scene.
This is very woke for when was this?
It's very well.
Oh my God, it's so ahead of its time.
This was in the 1980s.
It's so ahead of its time.
Very woke for like the 80s.
Very ahead of its time.
The only thing I have to say about this part though is that in the scene, I get it.
If they want to get the objective across, I get it.

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But they use the hard R word so much.
I think it's way overplayed and way overkill.
It's not.
I think it's way too much.
But it's at a point to where like if I hear it a couple of times, like, OK, like there,
it's a movie or I get it.
But they do it so much that I think it's like, OK, calm down.
Like, chill.
Like, yeah, a little overkill.

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Anyways, eventually Bill is fearfully chased into a stream and he's being shot at.
So hides underwater.
And when he is in the clear, he comes out of the water and he sees a group of Vietnamese
soldiers walking by in a shallow swamp water.
So he crouches behind bushes until they leave.

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American soldiers then come around, sensing that rivals are nearby, and then be able hearing
these American soldiers trumps out again and says, hey, hey, I'm American.
Can you help me?
Because he gets these Americans.
So they are starting to shoot at him, but they miss and one throws a grenade at him.

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Bill is launched back into the 1940 France where Nazis capture him, place David, place
a Sardinia.
I think it's called.
Yeah, on his chest and place him in a wagon to be sent off with the rest of the Jewish
people to gas chambers.
Again, very woke.
But the episode, not episode, I keep seeing episode, the sequence in Slayer for this first

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part of the movie.
But what is truly haunting about this part of the story is that it was not supposed to
end there and it never actually finished or made it to the big screen when it had been
released.
What actually happened, it's very horrific.
So let's talk now about what happened behind the scenes leading up to the shoot for the

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first segment of the Twilight Zone movie and what happened after.
So director John latest was the screenplay writer and director for the sequence.
And a lot of people in Hollywood knew him to be the type of director that had brilliant
work.
But brilliant work was just a problem.
He would get carried away.

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Here are a timer to trying to get unique and powerful shots.
He has done huge films like coming to America, the Blues Brothers and an American Wolf in
London, which I think I've seen before a long time ago.
It's been a minute.
So what latest really loved about making films was he had the authority that he had and he

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wanted as much authority as possible to make sure the movies came out the way he's seen
them.
While filming the Vietnam scene in this movie, lettuce had Vic Morrow, the one who plays Bill
in the movie, pretend to dodge bullets when the American soldiers had a shooting.
So he does on the harness.
And then after they take that shot of the soldier shooting at him, they do another shot

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of the soldier shooting at him with real weapons and real machinery.
So they're actually shooting real guns in this area.
This like this because it looked authentic on camera, which unfortunately in Hollywood
I feel like a lot of creators want as real as they can.
So they will do a lot to go up and beyond, which is so scary to think about in the Hollywood

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world.
But that is really what he did.
Now originally in the script after the American soldier throws a bombs at who they think is
a rival, Vic Morrow's character is blasted back into France, like I had said, where he
is taken off to the gas chambers.
But the actual ending is that he manages to end up back in Vietnam, where he is basically

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able to redeem himself as a good person and save two Vietnamese children from their village
burning.
And in the sequence, it's supposed to be their village being bombs.
So the set for this scene was shot in Valencia, California at the Indian dunes, which around
the time was when they had a movie ranch here.

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The movie set was an entire rebuild of the actual Asian village that one of these center
had been intrigued by and was made of all straw and all sticks.
Already.
Okay.
So although John Lattice and the film crew pushed one really bad law, child labor laws,
child labor laws forbid a minor to work past 9pm.

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And the production team on top of this also brought in dozens of explosives on set to
blow up the village with.
To add at the time it was 9.30 or 9 o'clock.
9.39.
Now it's later.
It is later now.
Yes, that is true.
Yeah, she is right.
I think it's like before you all try to correct us.
It is.

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Yes.
Yeah, keep in mind guys before my associates are like, why am I scheduled to tell them
third?
No, yeah, that to be fair.
Yeah, she is so right that this was back in the 80s.
So this is not now.
I promise you it's much later now.
They said work.
What's that Kim Kardashian thing I've heard of?
She's like, she's so right though.

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Um, yeah, I mean, again, wow.
Uh, so true.
Um, but yes, where was I?
Uh,
Oh, yes.
Thank you.
Um, so yeah, so, uh, there was the child labor laws, which was a big problem, obviously.
And the, fortunately, the projection company just didn't stick to that.

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Um, and again, John latest really wanted the realism on top of having those explosives,
which didn't make it any better.
They had dozens of explosives guys like a lot.
So the two kids that were playing these parts were six year old Shintishan and seven year
old Micah Den Lee.
I hope I pronounced those correctly, which by the way, these kids also had no work permits

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properly filed.
So technically they were working legally.
A legal, very illegal.
Very, very illegal.
Yeah, you do.
You really do.
So the last night of shooting, the scene comes on January 23rd, 1982.
And in the last shot, director John decides he wants to use more cameras for the angles

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and one of those angles would be from a helicopter.
The preptin got ready for the shot.
The crew waited until they felt thick, Mauro and the kids were safe at a safe distance
away from the explosives and let them off.
As the film is rolling, the parents of these kids start to get worried because they ask

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they ask a producer.
My kids are out there like, is this safe?
And the producer literally tells them and Breed be my victim because we watched this
video before this.
They literally, the producer literally says, yes, it's like riding a Disneyland ride.
Boy, were they wrong.

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Yeah, yeah.
Well, I guess I'll say just quick advisory, children's thoughts.
So Vic is holding the kids and running, but the bombs are starting to get way overpowering
and out of control.
And Vic accidentally drops Shintishun while still holding Micah, Denly and a bomb ruptures,

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the side of the helicopter that was filming them.
Sorry, that was a phone ringing.
So the helicopter is sent right into the manmade river.
Immediately fires are put out and they all go out to recover the victims of this accident.
The four crew members, luckily in the helicopter that were filming and everything, only suffered

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injuries, but unfortunately this had not been the same for Vic and the two children.
When they have found Vic and Micah, initially they both been found decapitated by the helicopter's
main rotor blades.
And Shinti had been crushed by the helicopter's skitgear.
The skitgear is basically the part that you step down on, which this gets me because they

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actually show this.
Again, me and Brie, watch this scene.
It's still out there.
You can find it.
I'm not going to post it because that's not my business to post, but it is a thing.
I probably will post just maybe a picture or something right before it happens, but they
actually do show the helicopter falling on top of them.

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Yeah, literally falls from the sky out of nowhere.
Out of nowhere.
On top of them.
And my jaw dropped.
My heart sank because I'm like, holy shit, you can see it happening.
Yeah, you literally see the...
I mean, you don't see anything.
Any gory, but you see it.
You can see that the blade definitely hit them.
It definitely hit them.

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You can see that.
Yeah, it's very bone chilling.
Yeah, to say the least.
Oh my God.
John droppingly tragic.
Yeah.
So in October of 1984, the National Transportation Safety Board officially filed the incident
after followed and after sorry, followed years and years and years of just civil and criminal

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action.
Five companies affiliated with the Twilight Zone Project was fined a total of $62,000
on the probable cause of safety violations using special facts resulting in the cause
for a helicopter crash leading to the death of three victims.
On top of this, state labor officials filed criminal charges against John Lathis, the

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director of the movie, for illegally hiring children to work after hours and around real
explosives.
As they should.
And that makes sense.
The trial against John Lathis on criminal charges in regard to the deaths did proceed
years after the film released to which the jury and ultimately felt Lathis was not guilty

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of involuntarily manslaughter stating there was no wrong in bringing children to work.
I'm sorry, there was wrong in bringing children to work, but you cannot prosecute someone
for unforeseeable accidents.
I guess.
But I mean, I guess.
But that was like a really tragic play.
Kids still died under your watch.

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And no, they were taken to law and justice.
Yeah, in a very, very...
He was very irresponsible.
Yeah, that's what I got from him.
It's like he's in a...
He literally was like, it's fine.
It's fine, yeah.
Oh, it's good.
It's fine.
And even the stage crew was like, it's good.

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They put this stuff on there.
And so it's just really sad that they didn't take the precautions or the fact that this
was illegal to have kids there so late to be a thing.
So that was a thing.
Unfortunately, that happens.
Now, the movie of the Twilight Zone wrapped and was released one year after all of this

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had happened on July 24th, 1983.
You guys can label that a little more a bit if you guys want to.
I don't blame you because people died on this movie.
The movie ended up making $42 million worldwide and from a $10 million budget.
After filming, Steven Spielberg reportedly ended up ending his friendship and partnership

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with pretty much everyone, especially Ladas, after the movie had wrapped.
So that is just an overview of the craziness that happened behind scenes of the Twilight
Zone movie.
So if you guys want to check that out, you can actually go watch that.
It's on HBO for free.

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Well, technically, if you already pay for it, I guess it's not free.
If you're bumming it off somebody, then it's free.
Then it's free.
Yeah, you can watch it on HBO if you like to.
It's, again, really interesting.
You'll see what I talked about, how they cut it at that point where he was being sent
off.
Unfortunately, they didn't get to add on the parts because it's just really unfortunate

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that they lost their lives.
But like I said, I think it's cool that Ladas went to their funerals.
All three of the funerals at least paid respects to them.
I guess in the end of the day, it was an accident.
I know a lot of things happen in movies all the time, but still, like especially around
children, people need to be more careful.
I'm sure it still happens today where people get hurt all the time on sets because they're

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doing all this crazy shit, all this crazy explosives, turn down and press the audience
or the greater audience.
But at the same time, best to remember people want to keep their lives.
It's not okay that you just, you know, shove it off.
But yeah, that's crazy.
I never even knew that.
And I feel like I've been a true fan of the Polly's own.

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I don't even know it was a fucking movie until like two days ago.
So that's cool.
I don't remember, I don't think many people talk about the movie.
Maybe that's why, me, because of the accident.
Maybe not, maybe just talk about the show.
The show, yeah.
But yeah, give it a watch.
Tell me what you think.
So our next cursed movie is The Exorcist.
For those of you who don't know, it's The Exorcist that was made in 1973, just for clarification.

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Yeah.
Because I have the remakes for sure.
They're actually, I think they're making a, sorry, oh yeah, I think they're making a
remake actually of, that'll be interesting.
The movie of The Exorcist is most known for its ranking level of horror that really opened
a door for lots of big Black Bester possession films.

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Many today that we know are The Conjuring, The Haunting in Connecticut, The Possession,
and a long list of other notable whore flicks.
Like these films, Exorcist is loosely based on actual events.
So the actual case that happened in real life was about a 13 year old boy, that's an interesting

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boy.
It's a girl, it's a girl in the movie, right?
Yeah, they like switch it around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A 13 year old boy named Ronald Hunkler from St. Louis, Minnesota, and Ronald had reportedly
been exercised from a demonic entity that was very intense.
Louis, Louis?

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Yeah, St. Louis.
Anyway, St. Louis.
That would be how you pronounce it.
Yeah, I like Louis more, but go ahead.
St. Louis?
One of the priests had written about it and then published it to the Washington Post in
August of 1949.
Eventually in 1971, it was made into a fictional novel and sold to millions globally, eventually

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which helped the loose story become a film adaptation in 1973.
So published in 1949, made into a book in 1971, and film adaptation in 1973.
They worked really fast.
Yeah, I was going to say that's really close to proximity.
Two years.

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Two years from book to film.
Yeah, fuck.
Yeah.
So for just like a brief overview of the film, there's a young girl named Reagan.
She's the daughter of a famous Hollywood actress and they temporarily live in Georgetown,
Washington, DC with their two housekeepers.
Reagan being the teen becoming an adult, she was having mixed feelings about her mom who

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was always traveling and having no father around.
That really put her character into a vulnerable state, which was just enough to invite in
a demonic spirit to take possession.
That'll do it.
Crazy.
That'll do it.
That'll do it.
We both love being like very mentally unwell.
We are very, oh God.
The demons are waiting.

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My demons, you know what, Sight No, I'm sorry to cut you off real quick, but I don't know
if it's the show or if it's that I, I don't know, because I watched horror movies for
a very long time of my life and I've never had the kind of lucid horror dreams I've had
lately, but I've been having.
Girl, take a break.
Yeah, I do.
Guys.

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Okay, so we're going to skip like a week.
Yeah, we do.
Seriously, like I think we might need to because like I guys, I've been having so especially
after the last case that we covered.
Oh my.
Oh, I covered.
Oh my God.
I don't know what it was.
I think it was that case that I did about Dennis, Dennis Nilsson, the British Shoffery

(36:24):
Dumber and because I just, it's not like I've been having dreams about that.
Is this specifically like just horrific dreams about the most random shit?
And I'm like, I cannot forget about them.
Yeah, we'll skip a week.
We might need to take a break on that.
Yeah, if you don't hear from us for a week or two, just know.
Just know that.
I'm going through it.
I'm going through it.

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So yeah, the vulnerable stay and buying demons in.
Same.
As one does.
At first, her mother takes her in to see a doctor and the doctor is Dr. Klein.
The wire.
I'm sorry.
I feel like this is like bad.
But why do moms never believe like their kids?
Like there are always noticed like men very mentally ill and they're like, maybe it's

(37:10):
just a flu.
Like mom, I'm seeing things.
Like, like, mom, this is even watching me while I sleep.
Like, oh my God, why are you always craving attention?
I like, bitch.
He said some bitch.
I'm just saying what I would.
That's funny.
If my actor mom was like, get over it.
I was like, bitch, the fuck.

(37:31):
Oh, the hell man, money, what do you mean?
Get me out of here.
I hate it here.
So Dr. Klein.
Okay.
She like famous underwear.
Oh, seriously, though.
Dr. Klein calls what she has a disturbance in the chemical electrical chemical electrical

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activity of the temporal lobe.
That's a mouthful.
Yeah.
No kidding.
The scene is about like 15 minutes into the movie.
If you want to take a peek at it, you'll see the kid Reagan being wheeled into an x-ray
lab to take some tests and the entire way there, there is a radiologist assistant being
very nice and helpful and taking care of Reagan throughout the progress, progress, process,

(38:19):
oh well.
But just like keep in mind of him, the assistant.
Yeah.
The radiologist assistant because, because we coming back to him.
Oh, shit.
Don't forget about that motherfucker.
That motherfucker.
That's so funny that he's like, it's in the chemical electrical activity of the temporal
lobe.

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Like bitch, I'm seeing demons.
I'm seeing demons.
I love the way you said that.
You said it like, what the fuck is that mayor's name from Powerpuff Girls?
What is that?
You know what I'm talking about?
Oh yeah, I do.
I don't know that.
I forgot his name too.
That's funny.
Sorry to go ahead.

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So for the rest of the film, if you haven't seen it, two priests are brought to the home
of Reagan's possession and the possession gets just like very aggressive and worse and
worse as it goes on.
I don't, I haven't seen the movie at least fully from what I remember, but I remember
that it was really problematic because I remember like when I literally, I think the

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high school or something and like people are like, oh yeah, don't watch that movie.
It's so gross because she's like, I think she's like, if I'm mistaken, she's like doing
some stuff to herself with the crucifix when she's like possessed.
See, I didn't know that.
I had to like look that up.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
She's up for it.

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Well, all I know about, all I remember about this movie and from what I know about the
movie in general is that this movie at the time was like people were like, like going
crazy and like fainting and stuff saying this movie because it was so like just beyond the
time.
She's a pretty girl.
She's a super, super, super, super gay.
What's the, um, there's a TikTok sound.

(40:05):
I think something like that.
Oh, she's a pretty girl.
She's so freaking gay.
Yeah.
I'm not exactly talking, yes, I look at her.
Oh, fuck.
That's funny.
Insert clip here.
Insert clip here, yes.
Um, but yeah, anyway, Reagan's possession is getting worse and worse.
Um, eventually they do end up saving the kid, Reagan, and they've vanquished the evil demon
Pazuzu that got ahold of him at the beginning of her.

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Sorry.
Um, yeah, shout out Pazuzu.
He's a scary guy.
You're taking over little girls.
Yeah.
There's a lot.
We could even probably just do an episode on Pazuzu alone.
Oh, um, different story for a different day.
Yeah.
Not, not in the next couple of weeks.
No.
Um, we already have one for the next story, maybe not next.
Oh, we do.

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And then we'll come back.
We'll tie it all into this.
Yeah.
This is going to be tied into this.
Oh, fuck.
We can do a little mini series.
Mini series.
Um, so the movie for ages, like I'm sure you guys have heard, but it's been tied to a lot
of bad juju because the film really tested the idea of like faith and religion in a really
horrific way.
Like Kendall was saying it was just like a lot for the time.

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Like keeping that in mind.
This is like the 70s.
Yeah.
Like this was a lot.
We're talking religion.
We're talking like the crucifix, like the sexual aspect of religion, the possession,
the possession aspect, especially at the time.
Cause if I'm not, cause I feel like we talked about this many a times before and I know this

(41:30):
is the 70s, but I'm not mistaken.
This is like the perfect time around like the whole say 10, I panic kind of era.
So I'm sure people are like, the Mason, the Mason, or those are, yeah, that, no, you're
right.
That wasn't, that was around the same time.
Yeah.
You're right.
I think correct us if we're wrong.
Cause I think so.
Yeah.

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I think you're right.
Yeah.
So it was around the time where people were probably freaking out.
So it was just like a lot going on.
That's the fucking 70s man.
So throughout filming the movie, nine people surrounding the film and some related to the
cast and crew had all just kind of randomly started to pass away.
But what really shook up the viewers were the very scary scenes and the story behind

(42:19):
the guy that played that radiologist assistant.
Oh, she's already grown back to him.
Remember that mother fucker?
I told you, remember that mother fucker?
I told you.
I told y'all to remember him.
We're coming back.
We're going to post the picture of what he looks like.
He's a very unsuspecting guy to be honest.
Like, you know how some people we've covered have had like a definitely like dark like

(42:42):
energy like in the movie.
He just kind of looks like a normal guy.
Yeah.
Me and Bree actually again, we, cause I wasn't sure, but we watched the little scene.
And my God.
Yeah.
And like he's in the little, he's like 15 minutes into the movie.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
She's being like rolled into the hospital and he, it's like a split second, but he's

(43:04):
like the radiologist assistant.
He's like, Hey, like lay your head down here.
Blah, blah, blah.
This is who we're talking about.
Yeah.
By the way.
So the guy in real life, his name is Paul Bateson and he actually wasn't an actor at
all according to all that's interesting in 1972 director of the film.

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William Fredkin went to the NYU radiology lab to scout for extras and some inspiration
for the X-ray scene.
It was there that he saw the operation being done by some medical professionals and he
asked them all to star in the film.
One of which was the radio, the radiology tech Paul Bateson who later, y'all ready

(43:49):
for this?
No, y'all ain't ready for this.
Oh my God.
He ended up being convicted of murder and was a suspected serial killer.
What?
Plot twist.
Plot twist.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Bet y'all didn't see that one coming.
I didn't even know of this.

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I've known some cursed movie like bullshit.
Yeah, I didn't know about this.
I did it.
Yeah, this is like truly.
That's crazy that you can literally go back to a movie that you can watch anytime you
want.
Yeah, and he's just there.
And he's just there.
Like he's on the movie.
It's like, I mean, wasn't that Richard Ramirez too?
It was like on the dating show.
Oh.
And he was like primed.

(44:30):
How did I fucking miss that and I were like fucking talk about him?
Oh my God.
I'm sure I didn't bring that up.
How do we miss that?
No, we didn't.
Damn.
I would have recognized that.
If y'all watched that episode, he was like on a dating show.
He was.
And he didn't end up winning.
Actually, no, he did end up winning.
But the girl was creeped out and she didn't want to go on the date with him.

(44:50):
Yeah, that was.
They said, she said, she said he smelled bad.
Yeah, which good for her.
Anyway, we're this.
Okay.
Don't hate us y'all.
This fucking episode is so all over the place.
We are derailing.
Oh my God.
That is so true.
But that's an interesting fact that I feel like everyone will want to know.
Yeah, I mean, it like relates to this.

(45:11):
It does.
You can just like see, you can go and just watch it like normal TV.
I totally remember that now.
It's just in there.
Yeah, I mean, just there.
I totally fucking forgot.
Like a serial killer.
Holy fucking shit.
What is the serial killers and being on TV?
Why is this so hard for me to be on TV?
Like attention.
Yeah.
You know, as my friend said, people like stupid.
People love stupid.
People like stupid.
In and around the time Paul joined the cast of the Exorcist, he was outwardly gay living

(45:37):
in Burrow Park, Brooklyn.
Paul could actually never keep a job for a very long time because he was an alcoholic
that would drink a quart of vodka daily.
Holy fucking shit.
That's pretty impressive.
A quart?
Oh my God, my fucking body.
Fucking vodka.
No, that's like actually terrifying.
If you can drink like just vodka straight like that, I'm scared of you.

(45:59):
Fucking organs are just like talking right now.
Yeah, same with like tequila.
Like if you can just sit there and drink like a whole bottle, you scare me so much.
Like I don't mind tequila as a one shot, but even that is a lot.
You can just sit there and like knock them back.
I'm like, you scared me.
That's questionable, though.
Like, I mean, I don't want to judge.
I'm impressed.
I mean, I'm sure there's people out there trying to like recover maybe and stuff.

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I don't.
I'm not.
We're not judging for people that are recovering.
Alcoholics.
Yeah.
I'm just saying that if I'm watching you throw back like a shit ton of shots of vodka or
tequila and that's your drink of choice, I'm impressed.
Yeah, that's a lot.
A quart of rubbing alcohol.
Anyway, in September of 1977, which was about four years after the Exorcist released, a

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reporter for Variety, who was also an active member of the queer community.
Shout out by the name of Addison Vareel.
Vareel had been found in his apartment severely beaten and stabbed to death where he stayed
in Greenwich Village.
That's really unfortunate.
Rest in peace.
That's really fucked up.
Yeah.

(47:09):
Damn.
Unfortunately, no one actually did look into the case at first and the incident had no
local press until a journalist named Arthur Bell came forward and basically exposed the
media for their apathy towards the loves of queers.
Yeah, I was about to say.
Yeah, like a courtesan.
That's just because it's where are we?
Yeah, we're in the 70s still.

(47:30):
It's a 70s because it's the 70s.
Yeah, we just talked about that again.
I think the Nielsen case we're talking about how like when it comes down to because he
was gay, when we come down to like, you know, the gaze of that era, which honestly, maybe
even now like cops just do not give a flying fuck.
And they just seep into the rug like it's fucking nothing.

(47:52):
Some bullshit.
Days after the article was published to Village Voice, Arthur Bell receives a mysterious call
from an unknown man explaining that he had killed Addison, whom the article was written
about, but referenced Arthur's article where Arthur called Addison's killer a psychopath.

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The caller then told Arthur, look, I like your story and your writing, but I am not
a psychopath.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
He said, he said, push him with a spare ground on eight.
Yeah, for killing somebody.
Sir.
This is the one these girl like what serial killer was trying to name himself to was that
the fine hoarder kill BTK.

(48:35):
Yeah, I think so.
I don't remember if it was him.
It might have not been him, but there was Richard Mears, I think did it to where he was trying
to like name himself.
Yeah, see what the zodiac shit.
I can't.
The zodiac killer or I can't remember.
It was like, no, the zodiac killer.
The killer is no one knows who the zodiac killer is and he's technically still unidentified,
but I think that he was trying to name himself by sending in like letters to the police.

(48:57):
Yeah, like some of the serial killer.
Calling himself the zodiac killer.
Yeah, like literally named himself.
It's just crazy.
It's really fucking stupid.
Yeah.
The unknown caller eventually confesses everything to Arthur and tells them Addison hadn't been
reciprocal.
It wasn't just the sex act itself that was a reciprocal.
It was the sole act too.
I wanted a lasting thing, something that would go beyond sex into friendship, a lover or

(49:23):
marriage.
That was a quote, by the way.
Okay, question.
What is with all the gays in the 80s trying to kill each other?
Oh my God.
Yeah, there was like a lot of gay on game crime and like the 80s and like not even like
boom, boom.
It's like, no, it's like chop, chop.
And I'm like, fuck.
Damn, no wonder.
No, we need to put this off there because this might be controversial.

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Yeah, no, that is so true.
I definitely agree.
Jesus Christ.
Well, we can put in the week.
Let's put in this low at least saying that I do understand though the whole like satanic
panic around the time because fuck like fucking people over the place are fucking dying around
this time.
And it's like all kind of like the hands of people, other people.

(50:10):
Yeah, and it's like fuck.
Scary.
Like no wonder everybody was freaked out.
You scared too.
It's like eight serial killers happening.
God, and it's like you can't even go in your house anymore and be safe.
Yeah, Jesus.
Okay, so going back, going back, there's still on the call.
The caller says that he went to the kitchen, he found a frying pan and then knocked Addison
over the head with it.

(50:31):
Quote, then I went into a drawer at the right hand side of the kitchen, removed a knife
and stuck it into Addison's chest.
I plunged it too high.
I should have stuck it a bit more towards the center.
Who the fuck says what?
And quote, girl, he really was like, this is what I did, but this is what I should have

(50:52):
done.
But this is what I should have done.
That's terrifying.
Go get fucked.
That's terrifying.
You fucking.
You scare me.
Animal.
You scare me for many reasons.
Oh my God.
I'm terrified.
I'm scared.
Like me and Bree were just talking.
Oh shit.
Well, I'll explain this afterwards.
Oh yeah.
I'm just gonna go, we'll save that for the end.

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So after the unknown caller killed Addison Viril, he says he stole $57, a master charge
card, Viril's passport and some of his clothes.
And then he left to buy alcohol but never disclosed this name.
Oh yeah.
Get fucked.
Yeah.
How the fuck do you just go to get more alcohol after?

(51:34):
I guess you're trying to like, you know, you know, bottle up all the fucking shit you
just did.
But still I'm like, who the fuck?
How are you comfortable?
Okay, but he literally killed him just because the guy just wanted like a hookup.
Yeah.
He didn't want love.
That's literally like all the fucking.
It's like that's all that's it seems like that's always a leading reason for a lot of

(51:56):
these.
I guess I'll say queer, but rest your colors because I know like Jeffrey Dahmer for the
same reason.
You don't want them to leave.
And then Dennis Nilsson and then, oh my God, there's so many of them.
And I'm like, I get it.
Like I get the fat and I don't get killing.
I get not wanting and wanting someone to be there like we all do.

(52:16):
But like that doesn't mean I'm going to kill somebody.
No, somewhere to leave me tomorrow.
I'd be like a little sad and eventually be a little angry.
Right.
And eventually you have to get rid of them anyways.
I'm like, what's the point of killing people?
So Arthur, once again, there's a lot of A names, I feel like.

(52:39):
And then we're talking about this unknown color.
So yeah, Arthur, which just to clarify, he is the reporter.
He's a reporter that tried to get justice for the one that was killed.
Yes.
Just because I feel like there's a lot of A names killer.
There's like a lot of people and small things.
So Arthur is the reporter and immediately reported the tip to police.

(53:02):
And eventually that became NYPD's first piece of evidence for the murder of Addison Burrell.
So that was his first break.
Yeah.
Which is sad that like he had to be the one to be like, hey, like where the fuck are
the police at NYPD?
You're probably better now, but still.
Okay.
Go ahead.

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Later on that same day, the reporter, author, Bell gets a second phone call from another
unidentified caller.
This time it was actually someone who read the article and suspected they knew who did
it, who killed Addison.
They tell Arthur that this guy was Paul Bateson, unemployed alcoholic that was a former x-ray

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technician.
They brought Paul into custody shortly after he gave his statements to officers similar
to what he confessed to Arthur when he was asked why he was so comfortable with confessing
to Arthur's replies.
He said, I had to share my experience with somebody.
That's yucky.
His trial started in 1979 where he then claimed that he was drunk when he gave his confession

(54:08):
to Arthur on the phone and from then on maintained his innocence.
So the judge sentenced him to 20 years in prison.
What?
I mean, that's a pretty long time, but that's like not enough.
But that's no.
For killing people?
No.
I feel like we jumped really fast.
So once again, just to clarify, like Arthur, so Addison turns up dead.

(54:30):
The police didn't give a fuck to be honest, it seems like.
Arthur is the first to report and then the unknown caller confesses to Arthur, which
we did not know and nobody knew.
And then someone called in.
I would like to know a little bit more about, if anyone has more information or knows more

(54:51):
on this case, I'd like to know a little bit about the person who tipped.
Yeah.
Police to the X-ray technician because that seems like so like random that he was like,
yeah, I think I know who it is.
That's creepy though.
I'd like to know why.
He got a separate phone call that same night that he reported it.
Exactly.
And he saw.

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So I'm assuming that whoever this person was saw his saw his article.
Arthur is I'm talking about guys.
I'm talking about Arthur.
So I'm assuming that this whoever called secondly after he had, what's his name?
I already confessed.
I already forgot his name.
Oh, the killer?
Yeah.

(55:32):
Paul.
So I'm assuming that this mysterious caller after Paul called initially, because we know
this is Paul that called.
I'm assuming that whoever this was either worked with him or maybe he worked on the movie because
something I don't know.
I'd be curious to know why that person called or how they had to hunch that it was him.

(55:54):
Yeah, I'd be curious.
That's why I was like kind of jumped out.
So I wanted more clarification.
But that kind of ties in with what we were kind of trying to do kind of trying to do
for our next episode because I.
So we might have answers for you.
We might have answers in the next episode.
Let's not spoil it.
Because this kind of honestly, I don't even know.
Okay.

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We might have answers for you.
Okay.
We'll come back next week with that.
Okay.
So yeah.
And then all that happened.
The author, like literally he was the person that spearheaded like this whole thing.
Yeah.
I just think it's justice.
Paul gets caught and he got 20 years in prison.

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But that's like not all that happened.
Oh.
And during his murder child, some grew very suspicious of Paul and questioned if he was
responsible for murdering any other queer members or queer men, sorry, in a Greenwich
village between 1975 and 1977.
I'm sure there was probably like a lot of missing queer men or something that was raising

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an eyebrow.
So old friend of Paul's later claimed that while Paul was in custody, he bragged about
how he had murdered, oh sorry, this is a quote, murdered and dismembered multiple men for
fun and quote for fun.
Fun.
My mouth on the floor is on the floor right now.

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Like girl for fun.
Not only did he kill one person for no fucking reason, but he fucking killed more.
I don't know about you, but my version of fun is like making money.
It's not killing people.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I agree with you.
It's not killing people.
Like I love like, like for fun, like I hang out with my friends.

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I hang out with my friends.
I hang out with my boyfriend.
Yeah.
I have fun.
Like go shop.
Go shop.
I don't kill people.
But kill people?
To eat their own, I guess.
Oh my fucking eye.
That's a joke.
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a joke.
Oh god.
Gracious, gracious, gracious.
Because it's a dress and piece for these people seriously.

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So sadly, justice was actually never brought to Paul on these allegations because they
were allegations.
Yeah.
They didn't have any?
Yeah.
There was no proof to like back that shit up as far as we know.
But I wouldn't be surprised to be honest if he admitted to that.
I mean, some people are like crazy and they admit to stupid shit just for the fame of
it.

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But I don't know.
Something about that seems a little sus.
A little overview of the Greenwich Greenwich.
Greenwich.
I think it's Greenwich.
I feel like I've heard both.
It's probably Greenwich to ease.
A little overview of the Greenwich village murders that were dubbed quote the bag murders
and quote.

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For two years, six male victims were killed by unknown means, disposed with the same modus
upper Randy, which is a postmortem dismemberment tool.
The remains of the people were placed in plastic bags and then they were later dropped in the
Hudson River, where eventually body parts were recovered on the New Jersey shore and

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near the World Trade Center.
Police did trace some of these bodies recovered to a clothing shop in Greenwich Village that
catered mostly to queer men that were into leather subculture.
So that's kind of how they connected all that.
But this why we're why we're mentioning this is because this is what the people like the

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people that suspected Paul of murdering more people.
Like this is what they think happens.
Like this is the other people that they might have killed or responsible.
Just for like clarification.
But the other interesting thing about this is Paul Bateson actually had a really huge

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fetish for the leather subculture and he often found men at leather bars.
That was like something he liked to do.
Oh, I got chills.
Other than word of mouth from Paul's friends, the bodies could actually never be identified
nor was anyone charged for the murder and remains.

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And it's still a cold case to this day.
Oh my fuck.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, that's really I mean to be honest, like I really wouldn't be surprised.
Like a lot of signs are paid to him.
Oh, oh, oh.
You know what?
And we were just kind of talking briefly about this before the show.
I think we might want to cover the back murders case after.

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I mean, this would be like a third like like queer centric episode in a row technically.
But we're for the gays here.
We're for the gays.
And I think.
We're for the gays, babe.
I love it.
No, I think that'd be cool if he had looked into that.
Let's look into it.
Let's do it.
We can make like little miniseries out of just this.

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Yeah, literally out of just this.
I love that.
Let's do it.
To wrap this up and then we can go into your little antidote about leather subculture.
So to wrap this stuff up, the case about Paul was eventually made into a film called
cruising, which starred Al Pacino and it came out in 1980.

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The movie was directed and written by the same man that directed the the exorcist William
Freighton who was inspired after talking to Paul before his trial about what he did.
So just to wrap this story up, I feel like there was a lot going on.
Oh, I feel like there was like a lot going on.
So literally the guys like had a small role in the exorcist movie and then eventually

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it just turned out that he murdered someone and he might be responsible for more murder.
He might be responsible.
He might be a mass murderer.
Holy shit.
Yeah, which we need to, we definitely need to cover it because I need more info on that.
We're gonna get into it right now.
I actually never heard of that.
I'll get into it right now.
Oh my God.
I'm so excited.
Not excited for death, but like, you know, you know.
Yeah, as always, rest in peace.

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Yeah, rest in peace to the victims, but holy shit.
Who knows that a movie starts from there and then goes all the way down to like fucking
just to be able to like see him.
Well, it reminds you that like in that movie and it reminds you that like and I'm obviously
we're not used to seeing murderers and movies, but like it just reminds you that like there

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are people everywhere that are like that and we don't even know what they've done.
And like people don't even know he did something, so it's like, I mean, the only reason he got
found out was because he made that call when he was drunk.
Like he, he outed himself.
Yeah.
For all we know, he might have not ever been caught.
As a gay guy, I'm getting chills.

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Okay, we're done.
Now we're gonna, now we're gonna go on a funny story.
Wait, now we're just gonna.
That's gonna tell me before we started this.
This is so funny.
I'm not gonna mention my friend's names just for the sake of not outing them or anything.
And dad, if you're listening to this, you should stop this episode.
Turn it off now.
Any parents watching this?
Carl was a Carl.

(01:03:14):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, you're talking about Chris's dad.
Yeah.
Chris's dad, turn it off now.
I'm ashamed for this, but yeah.
Well, I didn't know, but I'll go into it.
Oh yeah.
He got, the him and his friends got duped.
We got duped real hard and I even fucking know it.
Okay.

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So basically what happened, right?
Chris's club, this is.
Maybe don't say the name.
Don't say the name.
No, I won't say the name.
I'm not gonna say the name.
It doesn't seem like it's like.
Well known, but like, I don't want to know.
Yeah, and location and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Yeah, I don't know.
You mentioned it.
You mentioned the name of it like a little bit.

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I'll take that out.
So yeah, look out for that.
But continue.
I did do that.
Didn't know.
Yeah.
So just look out for that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anywho, who was I?
Basically what happened was, I don't even know.
This was last year at some point, I think summertime.
A group of friends of mine, how went to this club and we thought this club was just a club

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as is a number club.
It was a queer club.
So I expected maybe a couple people to, you know, get a little freaky, take the shirt
off, get a little freaky, like the gaze do.
So I'm like, okay, cool.
And we thought we were getting ready to see a drag show.
I was like excited for it.
I'm like, hell yeah.

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I haven't seen.
Yeah, I love a good track show.
I haven't seen a track show in forever.
So I was like, cool, great.
So they're like setting up the little mounted stage or whatever.
And we see like all the guys huddling around like little platform and we're waiting and
we're like, okay, like what's going on?
And so three guys come out.

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So three guys come out and yeah, if you're an adult, I'm sure you're a machinist and
can linger and they start.
They're getting it out.
Yeah.
They're getting it out on stage.
And it's just like right.

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Get your freak out.
Literally.
And it's like right in the middle of like everybody and everyone is just like standing
there and staring at like what's going on.
And like everyone looks like they knew this was happening.
Me and my friends are looking at each other and we're like, what the fuck is going on
here?
I thought this is a drag show.
And so we're like, I think we just expected that because we're like, okay, we're used

(01:05:44):
to like gay is getting, you know, ready for a show to like a drag show.
And that's what I thought.
And I'm like, oh, it must be a track show.
Like it makes sense.
Yeah.
And it was like queer bars.
I'm like, what else are they going to do?
No, they didn't do that.
They had some BDM in the middle of everyone.
Jesus Christ.
So yeah, we we've left shortly after didn't know that, but I thought that was just kind

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of funny just tied into the story that we just told because the whole queer culture
and we're just kind of tying this to a American Horror Story too.
It's kind of it's different.
It's a different breed, but like there's like the subcultures within the queer, the
subcultures within the queer cultures.
Yeah.
And I think that's what I didn't.

(01:06:28):
I personally told Bre, I wasn't going to give my thoughts about this season, but American
Horror Story, the last season that came out last year was about NYC.
It was in it was centered in NYC.
And it was literally about like the leather community or whatever.
And it was kind of crazy because I thought about that and I thought about this case.

(01:06:52):
I'm like, there's no way that that this case wasn't based off of that somehow or something
because it literally matches in so well.
Bree said she's going to try to start that season soon.
I didn't even realize that they came out with a new series.
I haven't watched in a while not to get off top.
I'm not going to go into the full thing.
No, I'm not going to even give my opinion about it because I want you to watch it.

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Been a while since I've really enjoyed American Horror Story.
Same, same, same.
They kind of fell off the rails.
Same.
Yeah, that's sad.
Yeah, honestly.
But yeah, that was kind of a fun episode, I think.
It was nice to do a part two.
I think this part two was more interesting than the last one in my opinion.
Yeah, it was also nice to be back.

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Yeah, I missed you so fucking much.
I feel like that's why this episode's all over the place.
Bear with us.
We're so sorry.
We're so happy.
We missed each other.
We missed you guys.
It's a lot.
So we're going to wrap up our episode now though so we can get our asses to bed because
it is.
Yes, please.
Nope.
But as usual, thank you for listening, of course.

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I do it too.
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My words won't forget.
I do it all the time.
I talk very fast.
Yeah.
We talk fast.
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I love doing this show.
Love it.
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It is a lot on the good old noggin.
It is a lot.
Yeah.
And on the mental health, I told you guys many of times, take care of yourselves.

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Like people are listening to us all over the place.
Well, like at the same time, my brain can only take so much and the weeks are flying
by like we just had another, we just had another, um, uh, daylight savings and that again, I

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feel like the fuck's that, well, fucks all of us up.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
I hate the fact that we're here with that, but it's fine.
Nevertheless, we're going to tell you guys about everything that we do.
We have some great stuff coming up for you guys.
We are going to do some cute stuff in the future.
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