August 15, 2023 • 38 mins
Get ready to be captivated by this story of persistence, faith, and self-discovery. I'm thrilled to introduce my guest, Ken Wilson, who despite a challenging upbringing, has transformed his trials into triumphs and now wants to inspire others with his journey.
From navigating the struggles of his childhood that included his mother's early death to coming to terms with his father's depression, Ken's journey has been far from easy. But it's his strong spirit and unwavering faith that led him to the Bible and a spiritual awakening.
As Ken immersed himself in the scriptures, his faith deepened and he underwent a shift from spiritual immaturity to spiritual growth. He's even created a mini-Bible book, The Bible... Simplified, to help others recognize God's workings in their lives.
Ken’s story reassures us that no matter our starting point, we can carve our own paths, as long as we have the courage to pursue our dreams!
Grab Ken’s first book The Bible…Simplified HERE!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everybody.
We have a special special showfor you today.
I know you've probably beengetting sick.
You haven't told me Thanks forbeing kind, but you've been sick
and tired of hearing from me.
Week after week it's been thesummer.
Months have been hard to getguessed on, so many people
traveling and so busy.
I understand that 100%.
(00:21):
We've been busy as well.
I did make a promise to keepthis thing up and going and we
are almost to the fall, so itshould get better.
But today, today, you do have aspecial guest with us today.
His name is Ken Wilson.
You're going to love his story.
I had no idea.
I've known him for the lastfive years or so.
(00:42):
I have known him as a happy golucky Jesus loving dude.
I didn't know where he camefrom.
I didn't know his backstory.
I knew he was an author andwe're going to dive into all
that today.
His story is so fascinating andwait till the very end because
we have breaking news on what'sgoing on in Ken's world.
But you got to stick around tothe end to find it.
(01:03):
All that and more.
It's happening right after this.
Welcome back to the when wordsdon't come easy podcast.
(01:25):
I am Andy Howard, if you havenot ever joined the program
before, I'm so glad you're here.
I am very excited today.
I have a dear friend of mine, afellow co author and just man.
I've known him for years and Itold him.
We just bumped into each otherat an event couple weeks back
and I told him you have to comeon the podcast, talk about your
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book.
In fact, we're going to spend alot of time on his first book
that he wrote.
But stick around to the end,because there is a brand new
surprise coming out as well.
We would dive into that.
But first, without further ado,I do want to bring on my dear
friend Ken Wilson.
What's up, ken?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What's up Andy, how you doing out there in beautiful
Texas Beautiful hot Texas man.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
my face is melting off, literally.
It's like, if you want to get acomparison to what it feels
like, I'm sure you know you'vebeen through Texas many times,
but it's kind of like havingyour oven ready for dinner and
then just go open the oven andlet it slap you around for a few
minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's a dry heat, andy .
It's a dry heat, right Come on.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, for sure.
Well, anyways, how are you man?
And you're out today?
You're actually in beautifulGeorgia area, but you're from
Florida, Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, I am Florida.
We came up here and now we'respending time in the mountains
to escape the heat.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Good, well, good for you, man.
Well, I'm excited to dive intothis project that you did, but
before we do, I want to go backa little bit and first I know
you're a husband, I know you'rea dad.
Tell me a little bit about yourfamily and just a little bit
about who Ken is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, you know what?
First off, I want to say thankyou for writing your book and
sharing your story, andy, too,and kicking off these amazing
podcasts and breathing open topeople too.
I mean it's awesome.
And I just want to say again Iappreciate the opportunity here
to share my spiritual journeyand my story right in the book.
So let me start off by sayingthis.
I'm just anything is possible.
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Anything is possible with God.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Because you know, seriously, what you and the
audience are basically going tohear today from me and my
upbringing to where I am now inmy life is just, it's just
nothing more than a miracle, andI'm super pumped to share it
with you all right now.
So, yeah, I mean I've beenmarried for almost 30 years and
I've got two kids a 22 year oldboy who just graduated from
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Florida State and a 19 year olddaughter who's playing soccer,
going into her junior year atSouthern Miss University.
So we're keeping really busy.
So what I wanted to do too is Iwanted to share a little
background on me, to set thestage for my story and my
spiritual journey.
So I just wanted to start offby saying you know kind of where
I grew up too, because I thinkthis is going to be a big.
(04:08):
It's going to be pretty amazingto see how I grew up and where
I am today.
So I grew up in the cornfieldsof Illinois, near a small town
called Joliet, illinois.
I don't know if you knowJoliet's where the Blues
Brothers was filmed at SaturdayNight Live Days back in the
1980s, and it was basically atough part of town, andy.
I mean prisons, correctionalcenters it was.
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It was like the other side ofthe tracks.
I mean, my older brother and I,you know, we were from a blue
collar family, middle incomefamily, and we had good, strong
values, a strong work ethic andwe were initially brought up
attending church.
But when my mom passed away whenI was five years old, those
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days of attending churchbasically came to.
I mean, it was just like ascreeching halt.
I mean, my dad I believe whathappened to Andy is, I think, my
dad just he kind of threw inthe towel on religion and God
all together.
I mean we just flat out stoppedgoing.
So you know, early on in mylife which, as you know, with
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kids too, it's a critical period, critical stage, and I really
didn't have that, you know, thatunderstanding or foundation of
who Jesus is and what he did forus and Christmas to us was
Santa Claus, presents under thetree and his big old, you know,
harry Bunny, hopping around justthrowing Easter eggs all over
the place.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So well, yeah, thank you for sharing that.
You know I've known you I wouldsay five or six years maybe now
it's hard to tell when I firstmet you, but I never knew this
side about you.
So one I'm grateful for yousharing that.
And because here's the kid Iknow, and so this is wild, going
back to the heartbreak and someof these, some of your
upbringing.
But the kid I know has thebiggest smile on his face all
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the time and I even told Tiffrecently I'm like that dude is
like the epitome of a Christfollower.
That guy I've never seen.
I'm sure you have bad days, man, we all do right but I've never
seen you have a bad day.
It's like you're so consistentevery time.
You're just always happy andbeaming and I love that about
you.
(06:15):
But, tell me more about losingyour mom at such a young age.
And then you guys kind of gotout of church, sounds like.
When did things change for you?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
So you know, fast forward towhen I was about eight years old
and my dad got remarried andthen, after five years together,
they just went through adifficult divorce when I was
about 13 years old and you know,my brother, dad and I ended up
living in some pretty prettyharsh conditions, you know one
of them was, I remember, a onebedroom apartment I mean, we're
(06:45):
just eating spam, hot dogs withArby sauce, you know for like a
year and some other low incomefamily homes.
You know, times were tough andyou know the thing about it too
is my dad was a tough dude.
He was like Clint Eastwood.
You know he'd be like Kenny youbetter do the dishes or else,
you know he's just this toughdude that you don't.
I mean we were afraid of him.
(07:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean youknow.
But looking back, you know, Irealized my dad was battling
depression.
Yeah, you know, it was a bigthing for him to lose, you know,
the love of his life at such anearly age.
She was 31 years old when shepassed.
So you know, when I sit downwith my dad today, he always
tells me, you know, how sorry heis for how he grew up and you
(07:27):
kids had it rough and you know Ialways tell my dad listen.
You know my childhood was fine,you know, because going through
those difficult yeah,situations helped shape me into
who I am today.
I'd be grateful for everything Ihave now, but again there was
just like no glimmer of God orJesus in my life.
I mean it still wasn't there,but as you know, god's patient
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right, he's constantly workingon his time.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, that is very amazing.
I don't mean that it's a verytough, tough story, but a very
amazing story.
When you went through that andwhen you're going through that,
and then at what age, I guess,when did you come back to Christ
or when did your relationshipwith Christ rekindle?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, so we're going to fast forward here too.
I mean, when I was 29 years oldand now 29 years old, I'm two
years married to Paige and youknow God and Jesus, they were
still kind of absent from mylife.
I mean, we went to church.
I felt like I was basicallylike checking off the box.
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He's a good guy, he's a goodboy, he's doing the right things
, but you know, god's alwaysworking his plan and he kind of
he was kind of slowly nudging me, you know.
So it was kind of a drip, adrip on his time.
And then this turning point came.
You know basically what I callthe wake up call here.
When I was 31 years old, I washealthy, full of life the
previous day and then boom, youknow, boom, out of nowhere, I
(09:01):
spiked the fever, my gut startedkilling me.
So you know, my wife, paige,rushed me to the hospital and
you know, basically we found outthat you know, I needed to get
my appendix out and I said,listen, doc, do whatever you
need to do to get it all out.
But three days after surgery,still in my back in the hospital
bed there, I wasn't getting anybetter.
(09:21):
And you know, man, I was, I wasactually going through what
they call anaphylactic shock, soI mean they seriously had me
sign my last will.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Right front page.
Okay, and then they wheeled medown to the operating room again
, opened me up, got what theyneeded out of me, you know, mop
me down, stitched me back up andthen they basically gave me
like a 50-50 chance.
Seriously, this is a 31 yearsold.
And the weird thing too, andy,is you know, my mom was 31 years
old.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's what I was thinking when you said that.
Wow, so here you are, at 31.
See, this is so many flashbacksfor me.
About six months ago, peyton,her appendix burst and actually
they were trying to prevent thatfrom happening.
They were preventing, theydidn't want to do that, it was
(10:12):
just so complicated.
They didn't want to do thesurgery originally because she
was so sick and they didn't knowthat she could.
Her lungs would hold up togoing under the anesthesia for
the surgery.
Well then, her appendix burstafter all and they didn't want
to do the surgery because theywere like, well, this is
basically too late, there'snothing we can do.
The whole procedure would havebeen to remove it anyway.
(10:33):
Well, now it's already burst,but they did have to go in and
try to get as much of, I guess,the fluid for lack of better or
whatever that poison out of her.
And then they came in.
And sometimes doctors don't, andI'm so grateful for doctors
please hear my heart.
They've been lifesavers to us,but they don't always have the
bedside manner.
I think they get so booksmartthat they forget they're dealing
(10:56):
with humans sometimes, and soI'll never forget.
The doctor just walked intoTiff and I and she's just like
so what do you guys want us todo if our heart stops, you know,
and we're like what do you mean?
What do you want us to do?
We want you to save ourdaughter's life, you know.
So I just have to ask all thatand it was just.
She was very black and white,just asking the, you know,
filling out the form and all thequestions.
(11:16):
So, anyways, your 31 years oldnow you're told you're basically
having 50, 50 chance.
Obviously, I've heard the restof the story because I've got to
meet you recently.
But what happened from there?
I was was it a slow recovery ordid it happen pretty quick?
What happened there?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, thanks for asking.
I mean so.
After that second surgery, youknow, while I'm in ICU with the
beeper machines, I got thesetubes in my mouth.
You know, just never forget themoment when, you know, my
family walked into the room,paige and my dad and stepmom,
and they just reached out andheld my hand.
And then, you know, just all ofa sudden, I felt this like just
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a complete piece, you know, andjust this calmness, I mean it's
just hard to describe.
And you know, when I looked upin front of me, you know,
hanging on the wall above my bedwas Jesus on the cross.
Wow, I mean, it's just, it'sjust so vivid.
And now, again, at this point,andy, in my life I mean, I was
still not a praying man, but forwhatever, whatever reason, at
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that time I, you know, I prayedto God to get me through this
you know I'm just like, hey, I'mnot done in this world.
You know, what have I done withmy time here?
You know you really start toget these flashbacks like what's
my like?
What do I accomplish with theshort amount of time that I've
been here with, you know?
So you know I wanted to havekids.
I just had a lot more to do onearth and I was basically saying
(12:42):
, hey, if you get me through,I'm going to follow through.
And, amazingly enough, and Iknow the page and the family, I
mean, they were praying a lotand next day I made a turn for
the better and it was like, youknow, it was like an invitation
game.
He goes here, take this, youknow, take it now, go out and do
something with it, do somethingamazing.
(13:02):
So you know it's wild when youknow, when you're at rock bottom
and desperate in your life,that kind of seems like when we
need God.
The most and you know seriously,and, boy, you know, going
through everything that I'vegone through with my life here,
I figured out that we need Godall the time.
Yes, you know, we need him.
The good, the bad, you know,and you know when you listen and
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trust him, andy, I mean, he'sgoing to take those valleys and
those struggles and turn theminto good, like he did with me.
And yeah, as you'll soon see, asI kind of share a little bit
more about the book andeverything, yeah, I mean, that's
so good and it's so true, andI've been sharing this a lot
lately.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I feel like and maybe obviously this is why God
brought you on here I'm lovingthis conversation, but I've been
sharing this a lot.
A lot of business partners,even a lot of just friends that
aren't even in our business, Alot of people I know.
This day and age, it's hardtime right now.
There's a, there's a lot, youknow, finances, there's stress,
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work is not easy to find, andthen just a lot of different
things.
We thought 2020 was bad justfrom the COVID side of it, but
then the after effects of 2020,there's just been so many
different things.
So, but what I've been tellingpeople in my life and it sounds
like in your life as well thatit was those, those hardest
(14:26):
times in my life, where or Ilearned the most.
It's like I wish I could saythat it's always the
mountaintops where you learn somuch, but no, it's those valleys
, man.
It's those those hard timeswhere you have to lean on
someone stronger than yourself,honestly, to get through is when
I've always learned the most.
And it sounds the same for you,Like that was a huge turning
point for your life.
(14:47):
So I do want to dive in for thenext few minutes into this book
I have in my hand and if youhave anything else you want to
share, I don't want to cut youoff it to wrap up where you were
going with your story.
But this book right here it'scalled the Bible simplified
authors.
I'm going to put it up close tothe camera Ken Wilson dude.
(15:07):
First of all, congratulations.
I know how hard it is to towrite a book and sometimes I
know the hardest part is justgetting started.
But I would love to hear hear alittle bit about what you
thought about the whole writingprocess.
And first of all, who's thisbook for?
I know the answer, it's an easyone it's for everybody.
(15:28):
Who's it for and who'd youwrite it for?
And then tell me just a littlebit about the writing process of
it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, no, you know.
So I'll give you kind of abackground of how this, how it
got inspired to do this, so sofive years ago, when I was 50
years old I know you're like Ken, you don't look like you're 50,
right?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You're not a day over 21, man.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, no, we moved to Jacksonville, florida, and it's
it's.
We stumbled across this churchout there where we became
friends with the pastor, andPastor Nathan was, you know, the
great thing about.
Pastor Nathan is used to weave,like everyday life, into the
stories of the Bible, so he madeit interesting and I never
really experienced anything likethat before.
So he made church exciting forme for the first time.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know, it was one of those sermons where you just
like I better.
You know, honey, let's, let'sgo, let's go, kids, let's.
You can't admit the sermon.
So it was just, he had you onthe edge of the seat and, you
know, within a few months,pastor Nathan approached my wife
and me and he says hey, kenPage, why don't you guys attend
a Bible study class?
And I'm leading it?
Okay, andy, I've never gone toa Bible study class.
(16:33):
Okay, so I'm like you know, howdo you say no to a pastor?
I said, oh, yeah, sure, youknow, even though I mean
seriously, at this point in mylife I still never read the
Bible.
I was spiritually immature.
Yeah, you know, I'll beuncomfortable hanging out with
all these like Bible scholars,right?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And what if he had me get in front of them and start
praying, right, I mean, I wasafraid of how I was going to
look, what I'm gonna say, whatI'm gonna think of me.
So you know, a person at church, andy, would it came up to me,
just a regular person, I wouldhave probably said, oh yeah, we
might be there.
No, thank you.
But.
But God, you know again, thisis one of those God things,
right.
And if you start to be a littlebit more aware of what's going
on in your life, you'll start toconnect the dots of how these
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people come into your life.
But God puts the most importantperson in front of me to ask
that question.
So, that was the difference.
I mean, god knew I wasn't goingto say no, you know so.
So getting into the book here.
So we started attending theseBible studies and then we
started to connect with thepeople in the group.
I learned from them, I becamegood friends with them and the
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thing is is we jumped inuncomfortably?
So if I'm going to tellsomebody to do something here.
This is a big thing in life,right, it's stepping up.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That applies.
That applies across the board,right there, that is so good man
.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Absolutely.
You got to be uncomfortable,right?
That's the only way you're goingto change.
That's the only way you'regoing to grow.
Yeah, so you got to be scaredand you know.
So I got so intrigued with thestories of the Bible that during
COVID, of all times right,instead of sitting on the couch
and, you know, wallowing abouthow bad my life is, I kind of
used I used that pause in mylife to finally pick up the
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Bible.
I mean, I just said I'm goingto intentionally read the Bible
this time.
I mean I picked it up beforeand I'm like huh.
so you know there's a differencebetween interested in reading a
Bible, right, and then I saidI'm going to commit to finishing
it.
And you know, not only was Ireading it, I started taking.
I started taking detailed noteson each page, I started to
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highlight a lot of the versesthat really stood out to me.
And when I was done, I tookthose notes and Bible verses
that I typed up in a Word docand I created a little mini
Bible book that I printed outthat Walgreens, I mean this is
it right here?
Right, Wow?
So, and I started to see,because when I started to see
was I started to see what Godwas doing in my life and I
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wanted to start building thatsolid, faith based foundation in
our kids life that I didn'thave.
Yeah, you know so.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And that's so cool.
And you used a buzzword thatjumped out at me because it's
one of my favorite words.
You said intentional.
You started reading the Bibleintentionally and that goes
across the board as well.
With anything you want to do inlife, whether it's you want
your marriage to get better, youwant to be better at your job
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and get raises or promotions,you want to be a better parent,
whatever you have to.
Nothing happens by accident, inother words, but you have to be
intentional about it's onething to say I'm going to read
the Bible, but then be in, readit intentionally.
Huge difference.
I love this, what you've done,and you'll probably dive into
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that next, but you've kind oftaken each chapter and you broke
it down into bite sized pieces.
It's not overwhelming.
It's very clean too.
I love.
I'm a this is going to soundvery nerdy.
I love the clean fonts and itdoesn't look overwhelming Like
if a book is too small and tootoo many words and not enough
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pictures in the font, I just getoverwhelmed with it.
I'm like, oh, that lookscomplicated and I want myself
out of the book before I evendive into it.
But this is a very easy read,very clean.
Tell us more about the book.
So so, after you dove intoreading the word, when did you
get the idea about?
You already did that.
I forget what you called itthat chart, I guess for your
(20:23):
personal family.
But when did it come to mindthat, hey, I need to take this
to others?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question.
I mean I?
Because right off the batyou're like, oh, this is all
about.
That's kind of selfish for meto say, hey, it's all about my
family, Right, this is our kidsand everything.
And I soon realized and this isanother God thing.
I mean, I soon realized thatthis is much bigger than just
our kids, Right?
I'm sure, there's just a lot ofother people out there have been
wanting to read the Bible too,but they just haven't find a
time to do it because it's long,it's complicated, it's
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confusing.
You know, 66 books, 1200 pages,and you know heck, and you try
reading through Chronicles andall that.
That's exciting information.
So so I just started.
You know, I don't know how youfelt when you were writing your
book, but I started to get thisincredible energy.
I mean, it's just like this,this burning desire.
And it wasn't because I had sixcups of coffee, okay, I mean, I
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just had this like this fire,this passion, this hop in my
step.
And you know, just about everymorning, around four am, and you
know, my wife my wife lovedthis four am, I'd wake up.
She wasn't happy with me, right, it's tripping over the dog,
coming on the lights, bumping myhead on the door.
And then, you know, everymorning, seriously, four am, and
then I'd head down to my couchand then you know, I start
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typing and typing more notesinto this word doc and all the
stories and the verses thatstood out to me and the Bible.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I love that and I'm going to go somewhere with
this, because did you have any?
Did you have another job at thetime?
I mean, obviously did Well, asyou wrote the book yes, I got up
at four.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, so you went full time.
I do so.
You do it in your white spaces,right?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So this is the white space.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's almost like I do this now too.
I'm a early riser, like I wakeup at five, okay, and I I get so
much done before it's eight,nine o'clock, before everybody
else, so yeah, Successful peopledo and there's truth to that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I just want to commend you one, because my
publisher, jordan he talks aboutthis all the time.
He says that 99% of books diewith the author.
Like everyone says oh, I'mgoing to write a book one day, I
, I, I, I.
This will make a great story,I'm going to write a book one
day.
Everyone says it, but there'sonly that 1% that followed
through, and so I'm proud of youfor doing that, and even it
(22:35):
would have been easy to, becausethis is another, and I don't
want to say excuse, I don't wantto offend people, but hope it
inspires people watching outthere.
Even with another job, a fulltime job, you got up at four am
Because it meant that much toyou to get it done.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, I'm proud of you too, Andy.
I mean, it's a daunting task.
It's not, you know, thelight-hearted person to get out
there and try writing a book.
I mean, you know another thingtoo.
It's important for the audienceto know this I was.
I was never a writer, okay.
I mean, I had problems actuallywhile I'm reading, so I was
never a big reader.
Yeah, and up to this point, Istill never read the Bible.
(23:11):
Wow, well, I read the Bible, butI you know before, just a
couple of months before that, Imean, I had no clue what I was
doing, yeah, so you know, butfor whatever reason, I just I
just kept writing for a year,okay, for one year, almost every
morning, and then we, and then,through the wee hours of the
night, I'm like I got to getthis book out.
And I don't know how you felt,andy, but I remember I remember
(23:33):
hearing somebody say this, but Idon't know it was a podcast I
was listening to or not, but Iheard them say you don't want to
die with your book in you, andthat just kind of resonated.
I mean, I don't want to diewith your book in you, and that
hit me hard.
So I was on a mission.
I was on a mission from God toget this thing out.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I love it and I am another friend of mine.
Dave Blanchard always says thatwriter's right, and so you
actually did this.
You're a living testimony tothis.
But he said for for me, he toldme to block off because I was.
I wasn't a big structure guyBelieve it or not, I am now.
So there is hope.
If you're not a structureperson, there is hope.
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But he told me to block offtime from 8am to 12, because
that's when I would take thegirls to school and get them to
school, and then from 8 to 12, Iwrote and I blocked that off.
And unless there was anabsolute emergency, tiffany, I
would be in my office writing,even could.
I used to wait till I feltinspired, right, oh, I got to
(24:33):
feel that inspirational time towrite and those are good moments
.
Sometimes it happens like thatwhere you're just writing and
it's just coming to you, butother times you're not always
going to feel inspired.
You got to do it anyways.
You just got to go and once youget into the group, kind of
like working out, right,sometimes you don't feel like
going to the gym, but once youget there and get loose and warm
, sometimes those are the bestworkouts and that's what I found
(24:55):
in writing.
Was that a similar experiencefor you?
Just every morning at 4am, you,just you set that time aside to
dive into the book.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's so funny.
So I, even speaking aboutworking out, that seems to be
where these moments come fromtoo, like days I'll get where
I'm just a mind block and then Imight be on a treadmill and
you'll see me with my phone,like texting myself, like this
idea I have, or what I want tosay.
So, yeah, you just got to findyour time.
When the time happens, you gotto go.
Okay, I'm going to go sit downand actually write this stuff
(25:23):
down.
So so what I you know that'swhat I did too is I took that
word document and I go honey,I'm going to send this to a few
Christian publishers.
And a few weeks later they bothcalled me back and said they
wanted to publish the book.
And I'm like who, you know whome, right, I mean, I was, I was
blown away.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So that's got to be a cool feeling.
I want you to for the listeners.
Can you, can I dive in?
I'm pressing a couple ofbuttons a little bit.
Can you explain what that feltlike when you got that call?
Who'd you tell him?
Obviously, maybe Paige first,but who was the first call what?
What'd you do after you gotthat call?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Gosh, you know what?
I know this sounds weird, but Ionly told our kids and Paige my
wife.
I didn't want to.
You know, I'm the kind of guylike if, if it's not like I'm in
sale, right, if this order isnot really a PO and it's signed.
I'm not going to say anythingabout it.
So I was like, okay, I wasstill in shock.
Yeah, I really.
I didn't spread the word aboutit.
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And now what I did?
I mean, like I said, I'm notthe best writer, but what I
realize in this exercise is thatyou know, god, I don't know how
you felt during your book, butGod gifted me with the ability
to simplify things.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, kind of make things easier and I'm like
that in my job too, in mybusiness Just make things equal,
you know, easier for people tounderstand, make it sweet and
simple, which is why I named thebook the Bible Simplified.
And it's a lot different thanjust, you know, a Bible for
dummies or or Cliff Notes from ascholar or pastor.
It's just, you know, it's justplain raw interpretation of the
(26:57):
Bible from a rookie Christianright, just a regular guy from
the cornfields of Illinois whojust never experienced the true
meaning of the Bible and youknow the love that God and Jesus
has for us.
Wow, and then reading the Biblewas definitely the catalyst for
making all this stuff happen, toget into that fire and that
passion, you know so Well, Iabsolutely love this man, and
(27:17):
that makes me feel even better.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I always love it, and I say this all the time.
I'm not an expert, I'm just adude that went through the
trenches of depression, and nowI'm trying to share what I
learned along the way, and itsounds like the exact same thing
you did with your book.
Tell me, tell me the ending.
So, once it's done, once it'swrapped up, what is, what is
(27:41):
this book meant for you andwhat's it meant to some of the
people who've read it andresponded to you and reached out
to you since it's come out?
I would love to hear that, saib.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, you know, I think these things happen to you
.
That's kind of the unknown inthe mystery of faith.
You just don't know what'sgoing to happen and how.
He makes these miracles happenwhen you're least expecting it.
And that's kind of how I livemy life, I mean doing my best to
lead with love and lead withkindness and with open arms, and
how I can help others and plantseeds of hope so they too can
(28:15):
experience all the blessingsthat he has for them.
Yeah, and like he's done.
So just, you just have to beaware and open to these
opportunities and then and thenjust get into game, get off the
bench, get on the field, and Imean that's where the magic
happens, right?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
So just gotta go for it.
Do it scared, as you saidearlier.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, I just encourage you I mean, I know
you're like this too on yourpodcast, but I encourage you to
start, everybody start payingmore attention to those nudges.
You know those little.
You know God's dripping thesenudges opportunities in your
life.
You know a lot and then justact on it.
Act on it without waiting.
That's what happens with mostof us.
Is we just we get thesethoughts and these ideas and
(28:59):
then we're like, hey, I'll getto this later on.
And it's like you know, if Iwere to just act it on this,
this could have changedsomebody's life.
Yeah, massive breakthrough innot only your life but somebody
else's life too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's so good, bro, it is.
There's something to you.
Obviously, you get the idealsfor a reason, you get the dreams
put in your heart for a reason.
And I'm preaching to the choir,I'm preaching myself, but then
acting on it, it takes more.
It takes more than just theideal.
God didn't put that on yourheart if he wanted you just to
have a cool idea and make iteasier for you to fall asleep
(29:33):
that night.
No, he's.
He's put that in your heart fora reason.
And so, but, thank you forsharing all this today.
And then, before we go, man,there's some breaking news.
So, as I was talking to you acouple of weeks ago, I'm like,
man, I want you to come talkabout your book.
And then you're like, well, Iwould love to.
And oh, by the way, I amwriting another book.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat.
(29:55):
And I'm obviously I'm going tobring you back whenever it comes
out, but I would love just totouch a tip on that.
What's the new book about?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, so, uh, as you know, I mean, my book is
available, like the Biblesimplifies, on Amazon.
It's at Barnins and Noble allthe other online stores, and you
know it's interesting too.
I want to share this with you100% of the profits from the
sale of my Bible book.
I mean, this book is not aboutme.
I mean it's going to go tocharities.
So we're, we're uh, you know,breast cancer, childhood cancer,
(30:31):
pets, vets, alzheimer'sAssociation, local churches, and
it's going to continue to bethat way forever.
And actually, you know what I'dlike to do too.
Andy is, um, I know what youand Tiff have done going out to
um, um, africa, and you knowyou're looking for about 100
(30:51):
sponsors.
Yes, sir, you know we I'd liketo use a portion of the profits
of of, uh, you know, my book togo to, uh, to that community and
, being a sponsor, to partnerwith you on a lot of that stuff
too.
So man.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
This is say I told you people.
This guy is one of the greatestdudes in the world.
I love this guy so much andthank you, ken, and I'll get
with you afterwards and we cantalk about that.
But thank you so much, but uhtell us.
Tell us about what's next man.
Tell us about the new book.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What's next right?
That's always the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
What's next.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So the second book is launching in a few months.
So it's it kind of you know, soyou got the, you got the
foundation, the Bible, right.
Uh, this, this book is calledthe invitation.
So it's about you know theseopportunities and and, uh, you
know these invitations.
I mean, even when you're inchurch and when you're listening
to people too, you're going tohear them say, hey, I invite you
(31:45):
, right, so they're holdingaround us every day.
I mean it could be like aperson we're supposed to meet.
You know a job, a job we shouldhave taken.
Maybe that mission trip youwent on right, or yeah, or maybe
a person you should haveforgiven.
You know a book you, you shouldhave written right.
So yeah it's just a matter ofbeing more aware and open to
(32:06):
these nudges and opportunitiesand then grabbing onto them when
they fly by us and saying yesmore often.
You know, because you know likeI mean with Paige if I didn't
say yes to the invitation of hersister bringing me over to her
house I mean my the trajectoryof my life would be so different
.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Change your life right Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like it did for you.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yes, I mean, I'm loving where you're going with
this, because these and theyseem sometimes like small
decisions, but one choice canrapidly change a person's life.
I love that.
Well, is it done yet the book?
Are you still writing it, orwhen's it come out?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's.
It's going into production,probably in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
In fact, I think you had just signed, If I'm right,
the day I saw you.
You're like dude, I just signeda contract or finished it out.
So cool man, so proud of you,and this all happened in a time
where most people were sittingon the couch eating Cheetos.
Let's just lock ourselves in,let's not, let's not go forward.
(33:07):
There's no hope.
That's just.
I love that man.
Sometimes, in the most diverseor hard times, difficult times,
I should have said, is when someof the most creative and
beautiful people rise up andstep up, and I love that man.
Congrats.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, thank you, andy .
You know, right back at you too, I'm excited about what your
book's going to do to breathesome hope and life and purpose
into people too.
And you know, these are thepeople who kind of feel like
they're in the shadows and theydon't have anything to offer.
I mean, heck if little littleKenny boy from the cornfields of
Illinois with their ownbackground and and writing and
having issues comprehended, if Ican do this at the age of 52.
(33:45):
So that's another thing.
It's like, yeah, whether you're20 or 52 or 80, anything's
possible.
You can do it Just got tolisten to it.
So I really appreciate yougiving us all you know really
this, this platform to share ourstories, and and and this
podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I'm honored to do so, and you've already said
where you can find the book, buthow?
How can someone find you?
Uh, social media wise, or anemail, or if they want to find
out more about the book or theyhave any other kind of questions
, how can they contact you, ken?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh gosh, they can.
Email was the best way.
Yeah, email's the best way, kenand page at gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Absolutely.
Would love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, absolutely and real quick, I want to give you a
chance to plug.
Your wife Works with not withus, but she is also independent
Opta via coach.
She's helping a lot of peopleget healthy Amazing story
herself.
If somebody's out there, theyjust stumbled on this podcast
and maybe they need some help intheir health.
(34:46):
I know your wife could helpthem out.
How can they get?
Is it the same email or is her?
She's got a Facebook or socialmedia?
How can they get in touch withpage?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Oh, thanks, andy.
Yeah, she's pumped.
She's.
This is their purpose in life.
Right Found it.
She wants to help and servepeople, so I appreciate you
saying that.
Yeah, ken, and page at gmailcom.
And yeah, she's got a Facebook.
Uh, facebook page as well.
Awesome Page, laden Dorf Wilson.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Awesome.
That's P a I G E right pageVery good.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Very cool.
Well, Ken.
Thank you so much for your time, bro, and yes, a couple of
months from now, you guys getready.
He's coming back.
I already told him.
So this is a two, for there'snot a one.
We're going to have you comeout when the books either close
to coming out or maybe out, butwe want to push the new book,
the invitation.
I don't know, Is that the titleor what's it?
Or do you have a title yet?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That is the title, the invitation.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That is so cool, so catchy, and I love the premise
behind it.
So we will have you back totell us how that book's going.
But thanks so much for doingthis man.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Thanks, andy, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
All right, God bless buddy.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
God bless, take care.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Wow, wasn't that so cool man.
I love that dude.
I love Ken Wilson.
Mark it down.
That guy is, uh, just amazingguy and I've known him for the
last, I would say, at least sixyears, maybe seven.
Now I'm trying to rememberexactly the first time I met him
maybe five, anywhere from fiveto seven years, but I'm telling
you he's the real deal and I hadno idea his story because he
(36:19):
doesn't go around telling youhow to pre rough childhood, that
dude, he just smiles and he's.
That's funny.
His new books called theinvitation because his smile is
so inviting and so welcoming andhe is consistently happy.
That would be my description,for Ken is a happy guy and so I
(36:40):
am glad that you got to hearfrom him so inspiring and I hope
that inspired you, and thispodcast is always about hope and
inspiration, and so pleaseshare this with somebody who is
in need of hope today, who needsto hear Ken's story or needs to
dive into the word.
What a amazing book.
(37:01):
This is the Bible simplified byKen Wilson, and you can get it
pretty much anywhere.
He said Barnes and Nobles onAmazon, check it out, but uh, I
would love for you to get thatbook and also, if you haven't
received my book yet you hadn'tgot it yet you can get it at
Andy Howardcom.
It's also available on Amazon.
(37:22):
I will read it for you onAudible, or you can also get it
through Kindle as well.
Please and this is my ask forthe day I'm going to be that guy
Please leave a five star reviewif it's been a blessing to you,
if you have found this book.
So many people keep coming up tome and telling me oh man, I
(37:42):
love your book.
I'm so grateful for your book.
It's it's flattering.
It is so flattering for me.
But the whole goal is to helppeople.
That's the whole reason.
I thought they're on the hardpart to get it out there and it
was so vulnerable with my storyto get it out there.
What's to help people?
There is a hundred people markon the ratings.
(38:04):
That's I don't know why onAmazon, that's like the special
mark If I can get a hundredratings and unlocks the book to
so many more people.
And that's what this is about.
It's a book about hope andabout helping people.
So if you would please be sokind to go leave a nice review
on the book or the podcast aswell, that would help more
(38:25):
people find it and more peoplefind hope.
Thanks again for joining.
Can't wait to see you again.
God bless.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
If this episode helped you inany way, it would mean the world
to me if you would leave areview and share it with
somebody else.
Thanks so much.
I'll catch you next time.
What's up everybody.
We have a special special showfor you today.
I know you've probably beengetting sick.
You haven't told me Thanks forbeing kind, but you've been sick
and tired of hearing from me.
Week after week it's been thesummer.
Months have been hard to getguessed on, so many people
traveling and so busy.
I understand that 100%.
(00:21):
We've been busy as well.
I did make a promise to keepthis thing up and going and we
are almost to the fall, so itshould get better.
But today, today, you do have aspecial guest with us today.
His name is Ken Wilson.
You're going to love his story.
I had no idea.
I've known him for the lastfive years or so.
(00:42):
I have known him as a happy golucky Jesus loving dude.
I didn't know where he camefrom.
I didn't know his backstory.
I knew he was an author andwe're going to dive into all
that today.
His story is so fascinating andwait till the very end because
we have breaking news on what'sgoing on in Ken's world.
But you got to stick around tothe end to find it.
(01:03):
All that and more.
It's happening right after this.
Welcome back to the when wordsdon't come easy podcast.
(01:25):
I am Andy Howard, if you havenot ever joined the program
before, I'm so glad you're here.
I am very excited today.
I have a dear friend of mine, afellow co author and just man.
I've known him for years and Itold him.
We just bumped into each otherat an event couple weeks back
and I told him you have to comeon the podcast, talk about your
(01:48):
book.
In fact, we're going to spend alot of time on his first book
that he wrote.
But stick around to the end,because there is a brand new
surprise coming out as well.
We would dive into that.
But first, without further ado,I do want to bring on my dear
friend Ken Wilson.
What's up, ken?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What's up Andy, how you doing out there in beautiful
Texas Beautiful hot Texas man.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
my face is melting off, literally.
It's like, if you want to get acomparison to what it feels
like, I'm sure you know you'vebeen through Texas many times,
but it's kind of like havingyour oven ready for dinner and
then just go open the oven andlet it slap you around for a few
minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's a dry heat, andy .
It's a dry heat, right Come on.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, for sure.
Well, anyways, how are you man?
And you're out today?
You're actually in beautifulGeorgia area, but you're from
Florida, Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, I am Florida.
We came up here and now we'respending time in the mountains
to escape the heat.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Good, well, good for you, man.
Well, I'm excited to dive intothis project that you did, but
before we do, I want to go backa little bit and first I know
you're a husband, I know you'rea dad.
Tell me a little bit about yourfamily and just a little bit
about who Ken is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, you know what?
First off, I want to say thankyou for writing your book and
sharing your story, andy, too,and kicking off these amazing
podcasts and breathing open topeople too.
I mean it's awesome.
And I just want to say again Iappreciate the opportunity here
to share my spiritual journeyand my story right in the book.
So let me start off by sayingthis.
I'm just anything is possible.
(03:20):
Anything is possible with God.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Because you know, seriously, what you and the
audience are basically going tohear today from me and my
upbringing to where I am now inmy life is just, it's just
nothing more than a miracle, andI'm super pumped to share it
with you all right now.
So, yeah, I mean I've beenmarried for almost 30 years and
I've got two kids a 22 year oldboy who just graduated from
(03:46):
Florida State and a 19 year olddaughter who's playing soccer,
going into her junior year atSouthern Miss University.
So we're keeping really busy.
So what I wanted to do too is Iwanted to share a little
background on me, to set thestage for my story and my
spiritual journey.
So I just wanted to start offby saying you know kind of where
I grew up too, because I thinkthis is going to be a big.
(04:08):
It's going to be pretty amazingto see how I grew up and where
I am today.
So I grew up in the cornfieldsof Illinois, near a small town
called Joliet, illinois.
I don't know if you knowJoliet's where the Blues
Brothers was filmed at SaturdayNight Live Days back in the
1980s, and it was basically atough part of town, andy.
I mean prisons, correctionalcenters it was.
(04:30):
It was like the other side ofthe tracks.
I mean, my older brother and I,you know, we were from a blue
collar family, middle incomefamily, and we had good, strong
values, a strong work ethic andwe were initially brought up
attending church.
But when my mom passed away whenI was five years old, those
(04:51):
days of attending churchbasically came to.
I mean, it was just like ascreeching halt.
I mean, my dad I believe whathappened to Andy is, I think, my
dad just he kind of threw inthe towel on religion and God
all together.
I mean we just flat out stoppedgoing.
So you know, early on in mylife which, as you know, with
(05:12):
kids too, it's a critical period, critical stage, and I really
didn't have that, you know, thatunderstanding or foundation of
who Jesus is and what he did forus and Christmas to us was
Santa Claus, presents under thetree and his big old, you know,
harry Bunny, hopping around justthrowing Easter eggs all over
the place.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So well, yeah, thank you for sharing that.
You know I've known you I wouldsay five or six years maybe now
it's hard to tell when I firstmet you, but I never knew this
side about you.
So one I'm grateful for yousharing that.
And because here's the kid Iknow, and so this is wild, going
back to the heartbreak and someof these, some of your
upbringing.
But the kid I know has thebiggest smile on his face all
(05:54):
the time and I even told Tiffrecently I'm like that dude is
like the epitome of a Christfollower.
That guy I've never seen.
I'm sure you have bad days, man, we all do right but I've never
seen you have a bad day.
It's like you're so consistentevery time.
You're just always happy andbeaming and I love that about
you.
(06:15):
But, tell me more about losingyour mom at such a young age.
And then you guys kind of gotout of church, sounds like.
When did things change for you?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
So you know, fast forward towhen I was about eight years old
and my dad got remarried andthen, after five years together,
they just went through adifficult divorce when I was
about 13 years old and you know,my brother, dad and I ended up
living in some pretty prettyharsh conditions, you know one
of them was, I remember, a onebedroom apartment I mean, we're
(06:45):
just eating spam, hot dogs withArby sauce, you know for like a
year and some other low incomefamily homes.
You know, times were tough andyou know the thing about it too
is my dad was a tough dude.
He was like Clint Eastwood.
You know he'd be like Kenny youbetter do the dishes or else,
you know he's just this toughdude that you don't.
I mean we were afraid of him.
(07:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean youknow.
But looking back, you know, Irealized my dad was battling
depression.
Yeah, you know, it was a bigthing for him to lose, you know,
the love of his life at such anearly age.
She was 31 years old when shepassed.
So you know, when I sit downwith my dad today, he always
tells me, you know, how sorry heis for how he grew up and you
(07:27):
kids had it rough and you know Ialways tell my dad listen.
You know my childhood was fine,you know, because going through
those difficult yeah,situations helped shape me into
who I am today.
I'd be grateful for everything Ihave now, but again there was
just like no glimmer of God orJesus in my life.
I mean it still wasn't there,but as you know, god's patient
(07:51):
right, he's constantly workingon his time.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, that is very amazing.
I don't mean that it's a verytough, tough story, but a very
amazing story.
When you went through that andwhen you're going through that,
and then at what age, I guess,when did you come back to Christ
or when did your relationshipwith Christ rekindle?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, so we're going to fast forward here too.
I mean, when I was 29 years oldand now 29 years old, I'm two
years married to Paige and youknow God and Jesus, they were
still kind of absent from mylife.
I mean, we went to church.
I felt like I was basicallylike checking off the box.
(08:36):
He's a good guy, he's a goodboy, he's doing the right things
, but you know, god's alwaysworking his plan and he kind of
he was kind of slowly nudging me, you know.
So it was kind of a drip, adrip on his time.
And then this turning point came.
You know basically what I callthe wake up call here.
When I was 31 years old, I washealthy, full of life the
previous day and then boom, youknow, boom, out of nowhere, I
(09:01):
spiked the fever, my gut startedkilling me.
So you know, my wife, paige,rushed me to the hospital and
you know, basically we found outthat you know, I needed to get
my appendix out and I said,listen, doc, do whatever you
need to do to get it all out.
But three days after surgery,still in my back in the hospital
bed there, I wasn't getting anybetter.
(09:21):
And you know, man, I was, I wasactually going through what
they call anaphylactic shock, soI mean they seriously had me
sign my last will.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Right front page.
Okay, and then they wheeled medown to the operating room again
, opened me up, got what theyneeded out of me, you know, mop
me down, stitched me back up andthen they basically gave me
like a 50-50 chance.
Seriously, this is a 31 yearsold.
And the weird thing too, andy,is you know, my mom was 31 years
old.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's what I was thinking when you said that.
Wow, so here you are, at 31.
See, this is so many flashbacksfor me.
About six months ago, peyton,her appendix burst and actually
they were trying to prevent thatfrom happening.
They were preventing, theydidn't want to do that, it was
(10:12):
just so complicated.
They didn't want to do thesurgery originally because she
was so sick and they didn't knowthat she could.
Her lungs would hold up togoing under the anesthesia for
the surgery.
Well then, her appendix burstafter all and they didn't want
to do the surgery because theywere like, well, this is
basically too late, there'snothing we can do.
The whole procedure would havebeen to remove it anyway.
(10:33):
Well, now it's already burst,but they did have to go in and
try to get as much of, I guess,the fluid for lack of better or
whatever that poison out of her.
And then they came in.
And sometimes doctors don't, andI'm so grateful for doctors
please hear my heart.
They've been lifesavers to us,but they don't always have the
bedside manner.
I think they get so booksmartthat they forget they're dealing
(10:56):
with humans sometimes, and soI'll never forget.
The doctor just walked intoTiff and I and she's just like
so what do you guys want us todo if our heart stops, you know,
and we're like what do you mean?
What do you want us to do?
We want you to save ourdaughter's life, you know.
So I just have to ask all thatand it was just.
She was very black and white,just asking the, you know,
filling out the form and all thequestions.
(11:16):
So, anyways, your 31 years oldnow you're told you're basically
having 50, 50 chance.
Obviously, I've heard the restof the story because I've got to
meet you recently.
But what happened from there?
I was was it a slow recovery ordid it happen pretty quick?
What happened there?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, thanks for asking.
I mean so.
After that second surgery, youknow, while I'm in ICU with the
beeper machines, I got thesetubes in my mouth.
You know, just never forget themoment when, you know, my
family walked into the room,paige and my dad and stepmom,
and they just reached out andheld my hand.
And then, you know, just all ofa sudden, I felt this like just
(11:56):
a complete piece, you know, andjust this calmness, I mean it's
just hard to describe.
And you know, when I looked upin front of me, you know,
hanging on the wall above my bedwas Jesus on the cross.
Wow, I mean, it's just, it'sjust so vivid.
And now, again, at this point,andy, in my life I mean, I was
still not a praying man, but forwhatever, whatever reason, at
(12:20):
that time I, you know, I prayedto God to get me through this
you know I'm just like, hey, I'mnot done in this world.
You know, what have I done withmy time here?
You know you really start toget these flashbacks like what's
my like?
What do I accomplish with theshort amount of time that I've
been here with, you know?
So you know I wanted to havekids.
I just had a lot more to do onearth and I was basically saying
(12:42):
, hey, if you get me through,I'm going to follow through.
And, amazingly enough, and Iknow the page and the family, I
mean, they were praying a lotand next day I made a turn for
the better and it was like, youknow, it was like an invitation
game.
He goes here, take this, youknow, take it now, go out and do
something with it, do somethingamazing.
(13:02):
So you know it's wild when youknow, when you're at rock bottom
and desperate in your life,that kind of seems like when we
need God.
The most and you know seriously,and, boy, you know, going
through everything that I'vegone through with my life here,
I figured out that we need Godall the time.
Yes, you know, we need him.
The good, the bad, you know,and you know when you listen and
(13:26):
trust him, andy, I mean, he'sgoing to take those valleys and
those struggles and turn theminto good, like he did with me.
And yeah, as you'll soon see, asI kind of share a little bit
more about the book andeverything, yeah, I mean, that's
so good and it's so true, andI've been sharing this a lot
lately.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I feel like and maybe obviously this is why God
brought you on here I'm lovingthis conversation, but I've been
sharing this a lot.
A lot of business partners,even a lot of just friends that
aren't even in our business, Alot of people I know.
This day and age, it's hardtime right now.
There's a, there's a lot, youknow, finances, there's stress,
(14:04):
work is not easy to find, andthen just a lot of different
things.
We thought 2020 was bad justfrom the COVID side of it, but
then the after effects of 2020,there's just been so many
different things.
So, but what I've been tellingpeople in my life and it sounds
like in your life as well thatit was those, those hardest
(14:26):
times in my life, where or Ilearned the most.
It's like I wish I could saythat it's always the
mountaintops where you learn somuch, but no, it's those valleys
, man.
It's those those hard timeswhere you have to lean on
someone stronger than yourself,honestly, to get through is when
I've always learned the most.
And it sounds the same for you,Like that was a huge turning
point for your life.
(14:47):
So I do want to dive in for thenext few minutes into this book
I have in my hand and if youhave anything else you want to
share, I don't want to cut youoff it to wrap up where you were
going with your story.
But this book right here it'scalled the Bible simplified
authors.
I'm going to put it up close tothe camera Ken Wilson dude.
(15:07):
First of all, congratulations.
I know how hard it is to towrite a book and sometimes I
know the hardest part is justgetting started.
But I would love to hear hear alittle bit about what you
thought about the whole writingprocess.
And first of all, who's thisbook for?
I know the answer, it's an easyone it's for everybody.
(15:28):
Who's it for and who'd youwrite it for?
And then tell me just a littlebit about the writing process of
it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, no, you know.
So I'll give you kind of abackground of how this, how it
got inspired to do this, so sofive years ago, when I was 50
years old I know you're like Ken, you don't look like you're 50,
right?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You're not a day over 21, man.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, no, we moved to Jacksonville, florida, and it's
it's.
We stumbled across this churchout there where we became
friends with the pastor, andPastor Nathan was, you know, the
great thing about.
Pastor Nathan is used to weave,like everyday life, into the
stories of the Bible, so he madeit interesting and I never
really experienced anything likethat before.
So he made church exciting forme for the first time.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know, it was one of those sermons where you just
like I better.
You know, honey, let's, let'sgo, let's go, kids, let's.
You can't admit the sermon.
So it was just, he had you onthe edge of the seat and, you
know, within a few months,pastor Nathan approached my wife
and me and he says hey, kenPage, why don't you guys attend
a Bible study class?
And I'm leading it?
Okay, andy, I've never gone toa Bible study class.
(16:33):
Okay, so I'm like you know, howdo you say no to a pastor?
I said, oh, yeah, sure, youknow, even though I mean
seriously, at this point in mylife I still never read the
Bible.
I was spiritually immature.
Yeah, you know, I'll beuncomfortable hanging out with
all these like Bible scholars,right?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And what if he had me get in front of them and start
praying, right, I mean, I wasafraid of how I was going to
look, what I'm gonna say, whatI'm gonna think of me.
So you know, a person at church, andy, would it came up to me,
just a regular person, I wouldhave probably said, oh yeah, we
might be there.
No, thank you.
But.
But God, you know again, thisis one of those God things,
right.
And if you start to be a littlebit more aware of what's going
on in your life, you'll start toconnect the dots of how these
(17:15):
people come into your life.
But God puts the most importantperson in front of me to ask
that question.
So, that was the difference.
I mean, god knew I wasn't goingto say no, you know so.
So getting into the book here.
So we started attending theseBible studies and then we
started to connect with thepeople in the group.
I learned from them, I becamegood friends with them and the
(17:35):
thing is is we jumped inuncomfortably?
So if I'm going to tellsomebody to do something here.
This is a big thing in life,right, it's stepping up.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That applies.
That applies across the board,right there, that is so good man
.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Absolutely.
You got to be uncomfortable,right?
That's the only way you're goingto change.
That's the only way you'regoing to grow.
Yeah, so you got to be scaredand you know.
So I got so intrigued with thestories of the Bible that during
COVID, of all times right,instead of sitting on the couch
and, you know, wallowing abouthow bad my life is, I kind of
used I used that pause in mylife to finally pick up the
(18:09):
Bible.
I mean, I just said I'm goingto intentionally read the Bible
this time.
I mean I picked it up beforeand I'm like huh.
so you know there's a differencebetween interested in reading a
Bible, right, and then I saidI'm going to commit to finishing
it.
And you know, not only was Ireading it, I started taking.
I started taking detailed noteson each page, I started to
(18:30):
highlight a lot of the versesthat really stood out to me.
And when I was done, I tookthose notes and Bible verses
that I typed up in a Word docand I created a little mini
Bible book that I printed outthat Walgreens, I mean this is
it right here?
Right, Wow?
So, and I started to see,because when I started to see
was I started to see what Godwas doing in my life and I
(18:51):
wanted to start building thatsolid, faith based foundation in
our kids life that I didn'thave.
Yeah, you know so.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And that's so cool.
And you used a buzzword thatjumped out at me because it's
one of my favorite words.
You said intentional.
You started reading the Bibleintentionally and that goes
across the board as well.
With anything you want to do inlife, whether it's you want
your marriage to get better, youwant to be better at your job
(19:21):
and get raises or promotions,you want to be a better parent,
whatever you have to.
Nothing happens by accident, inother words, but you have to be
intentional about it's onething to say I'm going to read
the Bible, but then be in, readit intentionally.
Huge difference.
I love this, what you've done,and you'll probably dive into
(19:41):
that next, but you've kind oftaken each chapter and you broke
it down into bite sized pieces.
It's not overwhelming.
It's very clean too.
I love.
I'm a this is going to soundvery nerdy.
I love the clean fonts and itdoesn't look overwhelming Like
if a book is too small and tootoo many words and not enough
(20:02):
pictures in the font, I just getoverwhelmed with it.
I'm like, oh, that lookscomplicated and I want myself
out of the book before I evendive into it.
But this is a very easy read,very clean.
Tell us more about the book.
So so, after you dove intoreading the word, when did you
get the idea about?
You already did that.
I forget what you called itthat chart, I guess for your
(20:23):
personal family.
But when did it come to mindthat, hey, I need to take this
to others?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question.
I mean I?
Because right off the batyou're like, oh, this is all
about.
That's kind of selfish for meto say, hey, it's all about my
family, Right, this is our kidsand everything.
And I soon realized and this isanother God thing.
I mean, I soon realized thatthis is much bigger than just
our kids, Right?
I'm sure, there's just a lot ofother people out there have been
wanting to read the Bible too,but they just haven't find a
time to do it because it's long,it's complicated, it's
(20:49):
confusing.
You know, 66 books, 1200 pages,and you know heck, and you try
reading through Chronicles andall that.
That's exciting information.
So so I just started.
You know, I don't know how youfelt when you were writing your
book, but I started to get thisincredible energy.
I mean, it's just like this,this burning desire.
And it wasn't because I had sixcups of coffee, okay, I mean, I
(21:11):
just had this like this fire,this passion, this hop in my
step.
And you know, just about everymorning, around four am, and you
know, my wife my wife lovedthis four am, I'd wake up.
She wasn't happy with me, right, it's tripping over the dog,
coming on the lights, bumping myhead on the door.
And then, you know, everymorning, seriously, four am, and
then I'd head down to my couchand then you know, I start
(21:34):
typing and typing more notesinto this word doc and all the
stories and the verses thatstood out to me and the Bible.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I love that and I'm going to go somewhere with
this, because did you have any?
Did you have another job at thetime?
I mean, obviously did Well, asyou wrote the book yes, I got up
at four.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, so you went full time.
I do so.
You do it in your white spaces,right?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So this is the white space.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's almost like I do this now too.
I'm a early riser, like I wakeup at five, okay, and I I get so
much done before it's eight,nine o'clock, before everybody
else, so yeah, Successful peopledo and there's truth to that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I just want to commend you one, because my
publisher, jordan he talks aboutthis all the time.
He says that 99% of books diewith the author.
Like everyone says oh, I'mgoing to write a book one day, I
, I, I, I.
This will make a great story,I'm going to write a book one
day.
Everyone says it, but there'sonly that 1% that followed
through, and so I'm proud of youfor doing that, and even it
(22:35):
would have been easy to, becausethis is another, and I don't
want to say excuse, I don't wantto offend people, but hope it
inspires people watching outthere.
Even with another job, a fulltime job, you got up at four am
Because it meant that much toyou to get it done.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, I'm proud of you too, Andy.
I mean, it's a daunting task.
It's not, you know, thelight-hearted person to get out
there and try writing a book.
I mean, you know another thingtoo.
It's important for the audienceto know this I was.
I was never a writer, okay.
I mean, I had problems actuallywhile I'm reading, so I was
never a big reader.
Yeah, and up to this point, Istill never read the Bible.
(23:11):
Wow, well, I read the Bible, butI you know before, just a
couple of months before that, Imean, I had no clue what I was
doing, yeah, so you know, butfor whatever reason, I just I
just kept writing for a year,okay, for one year, almost every
morning, and then we, and then,through the wee hours of the
night, I'm like I got to getthis book out.
And I don't know how you felt,andy, but I remember I remember
(23:33):
hearing somebody say this, but Idon't know it was a podcast I
was listening to or not, but Iheard them say you don't want to
die with your book in you, andthat just kind of resonated.
I mean, I don't want to diewith your book in you, and that
hit me hard.
So I was on a mission.
I was on a mission from God toget this thing out.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I love it and I am another friend of mine.
Dave Blanchard always says thatwriter's right, and so you
actually did this.
You're a living testimony tothis.
But he said for for me, he toldme to block off because I was.
I wasn't a big structure guyBelieve it or not, I am now.
So there is hope.
If you're not a structureperson, there is hope.
(24:11):
But he told me to block offtime from 8am to 12, because
that's when I would take thegirls to school and get them to
school, and then from 8 to 12, Iwrote and I blocked that off.
And unless there was anabsolute emergency, tiffany, I
would be in my office writing,even could.
I used to wait till I feltinspired, right, oh, I got to
(24:33):
feel that inspirational time towrite and those are good moments
.
Sometimes it happens like thatwhere you're just writing and
it's just coming to you, butother times you're not always
going to feel inspired.
You got to do it anyways.
You just got to go and once youget into the group, kind of
like working out, right,sometimes you don't feel like
going to the gym, but once youget there and get loose and warm
, sometimes those are the bestworkouts and that's what I found
(24:55):
in writing.
Was that a similar experiencefor you?
Just every morning at 4am, you,just you set that time aside to
dive into the book.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's so funny.
So I, even speaking aboutworking out, that seems to be
where these moments come fromtoo, like days I'll get where
I'm just a mind block and then Imight be on a treadmill and
you'll see me with my phone,like texting myself, like this
idea I have, or what I want tosay.
So, yeah, you just got to findyour time.
When the time happens, you gotto go.
Okay, I'm going to go sit downand actually write this stuff
(25:23):
down.
So so what I you know that'swhat I did too is I took that
word document and I go honey,I'm going to send this to a few
Christian publishers.
And a few weeks later they bothcalled me back and said they
wanted to publish the book.
And I'm like who, you know whome, right, I mean, I was, I was
blown away.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So that's got to be a cool feeling.
I want you to for the listeners.
Can you, can I dive in?
I'm pressing a couple ofbuttons a little bit.
Can you explain what that feltlike when you got that call?
Who'd you tell him?
Obviously, maybe Paige first,but who was the first call what?
What'd you do after you gotthat call?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Gosh, you know what?
I know this sounds weird, but Ionly told our kids and Paige my
wife.
I didn't want to.
You know, I'm the kind of guylike if, if it's not like I'm in
sale, right, if this order isnot really a PO and it's signed.
I'm not going to say anythingabout it.
So I was like, okay, I wasstill in shock.
Yeah, I really.
I didn't spread the word aboutit.
(26:19):
And now what I did?
I mean, like I said, I'm notthe best writer, but what I
realize in this exercise is thatyou know, god, I don't know how
you felt during your book, butGod gifted me with the ability
to simplify things.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, kind of make things easier and I'm like
that in my job too, in mybusiness Just make things equal,
you know, easier for people tounderstand, make it sweet and
simple, which is why I named thebook the Bible Simplified.
And it's a lot different thanjust, you know, a Bible for
dummies or or Cliff Notes from ascholar or pastor.
It's just, you know, it's justplain raw interpretation of the
(26:57):
Bible from a rookie Christianright, just a regular guy from
the cornfields of Illinois whojust never experienced the true
meaning of the Bible and youknow the love that God and Jesus
has for us.
Wow, and then reading the Biblewas definitely the catalyst for
making all this stuff happen, toget into that fire and that
passion, you know so Well, Iabsolutely love this man, and
(27:17):
that makes me feel even better.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I always love it, and I say this all the time.
I'm not an expert, I'm just adude that went through the
trenches of depression, and nowI'm trying to share what I
learned along the way, and itsounds like the exact same thing
you did with your book.
Tell me, tell me the ending.
So, once it's done, once it'swrapped up, what is, what is
(27:41):
this book meant for you andwhat's it meant to some of the
people who've read it andresponded to you and reached out
to you since it's come out?
I would love to hear that, saib.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, you know, I think these things happen to you
.
That's kind of the unknown inthe mystery of faith.
You just don't know what'sgoing to happen and how.
He makes these miracles happenwhen you're least expecting it.
And that's kind of how I livemy life, I mean doing my best to
lead with love and lead withkindness and with open arms, and
how I can help others and plantseeds of hope so they too can
(28:15):
experience all the blessingsthat he has for them.
Yeah, and like he's done.
So just, you just have to beaware and open to these
opportunities and then and thenjust get into game, get off the
bench, get on the field, and Imean that's where the magic
happens, right?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
So just gotta go for it.
Do it scared, as you saidearlier.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, I just encourage you I mean, I know
you're like this too on yourpodcast, but I encourage you to
start, everybody start payingmore attention to those nudges.
You know those little.
You know God's dripping thesenudges opportunities in your
life.
You know a lot and then justact on it.
Act on it without waiting.
That's what happens with mostof us.
Is we just we get thesethoughts and these ideas and
(28:59):
then we're like, hey, I'll getto this later on.
And it's like you know, if Iwere to just act it on this,
this could have changedsomebody's life.
Yeah, massive breakthrough innot only your life but somebody
else's life too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's so good, bro, it is.
There's something to you.
Obviously, you get the idealsfor a reason, you get the dreams
put in your heart for a reason.
And I'm preaching to the choir,I'm preaching myself, but then
acting on it, it takes more.
It takes more than just theideal.
God didn't put that on yourheart if he wanted you just to
have a cool idea and make iteasier for you to fall asleep
(29:33):
that night.
No, he's.
He's put that in your heart fora reason.
And so, but, thank you forsharing all this today.
And then, before we go, man,there's some breaking news.
So, as I was talking to you acouple of weeks ago, I'm like,
man, I want you to come talkabout your book.
And then you're like, well, Iwould love to.
And oh, by the way, I amwriting another book.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat.
(29:55):
And I'm obviously I'm going tobring you back whenever it comes
out, but I would love just totouch a tip on that.
What's the new book about?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, so, uh, as you know, I mean, my book is
available, like the Biblesimplifies, on Amazon.
It's at Barnins and Noble allthe other online stores, and you
know it's interesting too.
I want to share this with you100% of the profits from the
sale of my Bible book.
I mean, this book is not aboutme.
I mean it's going to go tocharities.
So we're, we're uh, you know,breast cancer, childhood cancer,
(30:31):
pets, vets, alzheimer'sAssociation, local churches, and
it's going to continue to bethat way forever.
And actually, you know what I'dlike to do too.
Andy is, um, I know what youand Tiff have done going out to
um, um, africa, and you knowyou're looking for about 100
(30:51):
sponsors.
Yes, sir, you know we I'd liketo use a portion of the profits
of of, uh, you know, my book togo to, uh, to that community and
, being a sponsor, to partnerwith you on a lot of that stuff
too.
So man.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
This is say I told you people.
This guy is one of the greatestdudes in the world.
I love this guy so much andthank you, ken, and I'll get
with you afterwards and we cantalk about that.
But thank you so much, but uhtell us.
Tell us about what's next man.
Tell us about the new book.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What's next right?
That's always the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
What's next.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So the second book is launching in a few months.
So it's it kind of you know, soyou got the, you got the
foundation, the Bible, right.
Uh, this, this book is calledthe invitation.
So it's about you know theseopportunities and and, uh, you
know these invitations.
I mean, even when you're inchurch and when you're listening
to people too, you're going tohear them say, hey, I invite you
(31:45):
, right, so they're holdingaround us every day.
I mean it could be like aperson we're supposed to meet.
You know a job, a job we shouldhave taken.
Maybe that mission trip youwent on right, or yeah, or maybe
a person you should haveforgiven.
You know a book you, you shouldhave written right.
So yeah it's just a matter ofbeing more aware and open to
(32:06):
these nudges and opportunitiesand then grabbing onto them when
they fly by us and saying yesmore often.
You know, because you know likeI mean with Paige if I didn't
say yes to the invitation of hersister bringing me over to her
house I mean my the trajectoryof my life would be so different
.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Change your life right Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like it did for you.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yes, I mean, I'm loving where you're going with
this, because these and theyseem sometimes like small
decisions, but one choice canrapidly change a person's life.
I love that.
Well, is it done yet the book?
Are you still writing it, orwhen's it come out?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's.
It's going into production,probably in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
In fact, I think you had just signed, If I'm right,
the day I saw you.
You're like dude, I just signeda contract or finished it out.
So cool man, so proud of you,and this all happened in a time
where most people were sittingon the couch eating Cheetos.
Let's just lock ourselves in,let's not, let's not go forward.
(33:07):
There's no hope.
That's just.
I love that man.
Sometimes, in the most diverseor hard times, difficult times,
I should have said, is when someof the most creative and
beautiful people rise up andstep up, and I love that man.
Congrats.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, thank you, andy .
You know, right back at you too, I'm excited about what your
book's going to do to breathesome hope and life and purpose
into people too.
And you know, these are thepeople who kind of feel like
they're in the shadows and theydon't have anything to offer.
I mean, heck if little littleKenny boy from the cornfields of
Illinois with their ownbackground and and writing and
having issues comprehended, if Ican do this at the age of 52.
(33:45):
So that's another thing.
It's like, yeah, whether you're20 or 52 or 80, anything's
possible.
You can do it Just got tolisten to it.
So I really appreciate yougiving us all you know really
this, this platform to share ourstories, and and and this
podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I'm honored to do so, and you've already said
where you can find the book, buthow?
How can someone find you?
Uh, social media wise, or anemail, or if they want to find
out more about the book or theyhave any other kind of questions
, how can they contact you, ken?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh gosh, they can.
Email was the best way.
Yeah, email's the best way, kenand page at gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Absolutely.
Would love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, absolutely and real quick, I want to give you a
chance to plug.
Your wife Works with not withus, but she is also independent
Opta via coach.
She's helping a lot of peopleget healthy Amazing story
herself.
If somebody's out there, theyjust stumbled on this podcast
and maybe they need some help intheir health.
(34:46):
I know your wife could helpthem out.
How can they get?
Is it the same email or is her?
She's got a Facebook or socialmedia?
How can they get in touch withpage?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Oh, thanks, andy.
Yeah, she's pumped.
She's.
This is their purpose in life.
Right Found it.
She wants to help and servepeople, so I appreciate you
saying that.
Yeah, ken, and page at gmailcom.
And yeah, she's got a Facebook.
Uh, facebook page as well.
Awesome Page, laden Dorf Wilson.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Awesome.
That's P a I G E right pageVery good.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Very cool.
Well, Ken.
Thank you so much for your time, bro, and yes, a couple of
months from now, you guys getready.
He's coming back.
I already told him.
So this is a two, for there'snot a one.
We're going to have you comeout when the books either close
to coming out or maybe out, butwe want to push the new book,
the invitation.
I don't know, Is that the titleor what's it?
Or do you have a title yet?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That is the title, the invitation.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That is so cool, so catchy, and I love the premise
behind it.
So we will have you back totell us how that book's going.
But thanks so much for doingthis man.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Thanks, andy, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
All right, God bless buddy.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
God bless, take care.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Wow, wasn't that so cool man.
I love that dude.
I love Ken Wilson.
Mark it down.
That guy is, uh, just amazingguy and I've known him for the
last, I would say, at least sixyears, maybe seven.
Now I'm trying to rememberexactly the first time I met him
maybe five, anywhere from fiveto seven years, but I'm telling
you he's the real deal and I hadno idea his story because he
(36:19):
doesn't go around telling youhow to pre rough childhood, that
dude, he just smiles and he's.
That's funny.
His new books called theinvitation because his smile is
so inviting and so welcoming andhe is consistently happy.
That would be my description,for Ken is a happy guy and so I
(36:40):
am glad that you got to hearfrom him so inspiring and I hope
that inspired you, and thispodcast is always about hope and
inspiration, and so pleaseshare this with somebody who is
in need of hope today, who needsto hear Ken's story or needs to
dive into the word.
What a amazing book.
(37:01):
This is the Bible simplified byKen Wilson, and you can get it
pretty much anywhere.
He said Barnes and Nobles onAmazon, check it out, but uh, I
would love for you to get thatbook and also, if you haven't
received my book yet you hadn'tgot it yet you can get it at
Andy Howardcom.
It's also available on Amazon.
(37:22):
I will read it for you onAudible, or you can also get it
through Kindle as well.
Please and this is my ask forthe day I'm going to be that guy
Please leave a five star reviewif it's been a blessing to you,
if you have found this book.
So many people keep coming up tome and telling me oh man, I
(37:42):
love your book.
I'm so grateful for your book.
It's it's flattering.
It is so flattering for me.
But the whole goal is to helppeople.
That's the whole reason.
I thought they're on the hardpart to get it out there and it
was so vulnerable with my storyto get it out there.
What's to help people?
There is a hundred people markon the ratings.
(38:04):
That's I don't know why onAmazon, that's like the special
mark If I can get a hundredratings and unlocks the book to
so many more people.
And that's what this is about.
It's a book about hope andabout helping people.
So if you would please be sokind to go leave a nice review
on the book or the podcast aswell, that would help more
(38:25):
people find it and more peoplefind hope.
Thanks again for joining.
Can't wait to see you again.
God bless.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
If this episode helped you inany way, it would mean the world
to me if you would leave areview and share it with
somebody else.
Thanks so much.
I'll catch you next time.
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