A Quicksilver by Callie Hart Deep Dive with Paige Woodrow

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome back.
I'm Kristen Balls and you'relistening to when I Left Off a
bookish podcast, and today I'mjoined by Paige Woodrow from
Lost in a Page of a Book andMass Bluey on Instagram.
Thanks for coming back again,paige.
Yeah, it's so great to be here.
I love coming on Yay, and wealways break down books, and
today we tried somethingdifferent, jumping into fantasy.

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This time I feel like we talkabout a lot of romance, because
you know we both love romance,but we went for Quicksilver by
Callie Hart this time, yes, butbefore we get into breaking down
Quicksilver and again, thiswill be a spoilery deep dive
into Quicksilver.
So if you have not read it,stop, go read it and then come

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back to this episode, because weare not going to be holding any
like plot twist or spoilersback on this one.
So, before we get into it, whatare you currently reading right
now?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, right now I'm reading Onyx Storm and I have
about 15% left and just in caseanybody that's listening hasn't
read it yet.
I'm not going to say anythingbecause I don't want to know
people's reviews, I don't wantto know their thoughts.
I just want to make up my ownmind about how I feel, and so I
am reading it, and that's allyou need to know, because I

(01:22):
don't want to spoil anything,anything for anybody, not even
with my feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I have not read fourth wing yet, uh, but I do
plan to get into it.
I have the first book on mybookshelf back there and I was
going to start it.
And then I realized there wasno way that I was going to get
through the first two booksbefore onyx storm came out.
So I decided to just kind ofwait, let the spoilers filter
through and then, once those aredone, start it.
Because decided to just kind ofwait, let the spoilers filter
through and then, once those aredone, start it?

(01:48):
Because I it's kind of like acourt of thorns and roses.
When I see a spoiler, anythinglike that, I have no frame of
reference, so I have absolutelyno idea what's going on.
So I wanted to stay in thatbubble while all the spoilers
were kind of out and about onsocial media.
Yeah, that's super smart, we'llsee.
But I'm excited to get into itBecause, yeah, I don't know how

(02:08):
I've made it this long withoutreading A Court of Thorns and
Roses or Fourth Wing, but I havenot.
And I will get there, like I'mreading Mistborn right now, but
I haven't read A Court of Thornsand.
Roses, or yeah, I read that.
I'm only on like page 50.
But I do really like it.
I think that Brandon himselfsaid it was kind of like Ocean's

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11 meets the Hobbit and it'sdefinitely more of like a heist
situation.
Oh yeah, like a heist.
That's fun, yeah.
So I like how it's getting intothat and like his magic system.
He explains it really well, hedefines everything.
So I mean I'm page flagging alot and like really annotating
it, but it's so easy to flipback and understand what's going

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on because he literally breaksit down for you, which is really
nice because it feels like agood baby's first epic fantasy,
because you're still going to beable to follow it and it's
really funny and it's gettingmore fast paced.
So far, I mean, I'm literallyhave only read the prologue and
I'm on chapter four right now.
So I was still kind of in theworld building and it's like

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just starting to pick up.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Nice.
Oh, I'm also reading.
I just started, actually lastnight, because I was like I need
something that's like justsilly and easy.
The newest Janet Ivanovich book.
I am obsessed with the.
There's like one for the money,two for the dough.
Have you ever heard of those orread those?
I've heard of them but Ihaven't read them.
So yeah, we're on number 31 nowand I was telling Matthew I was
like Can you believe I've readevery single one of these?

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Like I had, so like I was intoreading those before.
I was like into reading.
It was like one of the firstbooks that ever made me laugh
out loud.
And like they're just quick,it's pure popcorn.
You know, they're just quickand easy, it's and it's just the
copy paste.
You know like it's the sameformula, the formula situation,
but I eat it up.
It's just nice to like put mybrain in a place where, like I

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know, her car is going to blowup.
I know she's not going to beable to decide which guy she
loves.
I know they're going to eatdonuts.
Like I know they're crackingjokes and I'm just here like
watching it.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
So I was going to say it's like a rom-com mystery
right.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Um, I wouldn't say it's a rom-com.
Like the piece is very, very,very light.
There is it cracks me up too,because like she started writing
these books, you know, like inthe 90s and the technology and
everything as she goes throughthe series remains the same of
our time.
Oh, wow, so like they've gotiphones and everything now, yeah

(04:37):
, and you know, but in the firstbooks they're listening to like
cassette tapes and stuff likethat.
It's so funny.
So like time has clearly passedand so it's been like you know,
30 years.
So she should be like 60 yearsold by now and she's like the
same age and her grandma shouldbe like 120 years old by now.
Like she's still.

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So it's like it cracks me up tolike they're all the same age,
basically, but like still timehas passed.
She's a bail bonds person and solike she tracks down people who
have broken their bond haspassed.
She's a bail bonds person andso like she tracks down people
who have broken their bond,except for she's a complete
klutz and like shouldn't evenhave this job.
And then she's like teamed upwith lula, who is an ex-ho who
cracks me up to no end.

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Like they are hilarioustogether and so they're always
like trying to get the person,and then of course she always
gets tangled up into some likebigger scheme of somebody trying
to, you know, kidnap somebodyor kill somebody, and so she
usually ends up gettingkidnapped.
Every book, her car gets blownup, it's a thing.
And so there's a cop that she'slike has a love connection with
, and then there's also, I guess, special forces kind of guy

(05:42):
that she also has a loveconnection with, and so, like
every book, she's like I don'tknow like who, I like you know,
but it's kind of just like anunder and it's just hilarious
for like 30 years now Can't picka guy.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh my gosh, yeah, that's kind of like the Hannah
Swenson series by Joanne Fluke.
It has, I don't know, I thinkit's coming up on like 30 books
too and it's Cozy Mystery.
There's like a Hallmark showbased around it, but anyway
she's.
Also there's a cop and one ofthe like townspeople that she
has a love triangle with and shecan never decide.

(06:15):
And it drives me crazy and it'sfunny, because in the show she
picks someone, but in the booksshe doesn't choose, she still
can't choose, and someone, butin the books she doesn't choose,
she still can't choose.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And so it's really funny to see both play out in
parallel.
Yeah, it's.
I used to be, like you know,expecting her to eventually like
make a choice, and now I'm justlike, if you ever make a choice
, like I know, the series isgoing to be over.
So, like, don't make a choice,like just just completing them
both.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Long is fine, but that's cool that she's able to
keep up with the same charactersfor that many books.
I know I know a lot of authorsget tired.
I mean, understandably, of youknow, 31.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I'm like wow, how do you have that many ideas like oh
my gosh, and I feel likethey've all been very unique,
aside from, you know the formulaof expectation but, just like
you know, the storyline isalways a different bad person,
bad guy or whatever.
But I think it's nice because,like, even though they're all in
the same world, in the sameseries, it's not like I have to
reread them to know it's goodbecause they're all standalone

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problems, you know.
So that's nice, because there'sno way I have time to reread 30
books no, no.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I wish I had time to reread 30 books.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I know.
So what are you reading besidesMistborn, because I know you
always are reading like 10things.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know me too well.
So I have Mistborn, I haveDarkness Loves Company, which is
a prequel to one of my favoritefantasy books of last year,
darkness Shifting.
So my friend Sarah wrote theseand, oh my gosh, I love Darkness
Shifting because because it haslike it's urban fantasy and it
has a buddy cop element.
So I like the mix of she's aparanormal investigator, so it

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has like the buddy cop elementplus the paranormal stuff.
Like right now they're dealingwith demon koalas, yeah, and
it's like in the streets of NewYork and no one knows about the
paranormal things and they havelike their own kind of like
secret detective agency and sothey solve for those.
So anyway, and there's someromance in there too.

(08:14):
So I just like how it's like amix of different genres.
So I'm reading that and that'sactually a buddy read with Randa
from Booked by Randa.
We're buddy reading that.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Y'all have really been getting into the I know we,
we really like doing buddyreads.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
We're pretty much like constantly in a buddy read.
We keep saying that we're gonnastart.
Um, he's your book, bestie.
Exactly, exactly, we're gonnastart.
What is it called?
Uh, stephanie garber, not carof all, but the other one, uh,
once upon a broken heart.
That's what we're gonna starttogether.
You haven't read those yet.
No, I did Caraval but I haven'tread those.
So yeah, we're going to readthem together.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I liked those so much more than Caraval, like really
Insanely more, yes, okay, likeincomparable.
I can't even believe they werewritten by the same person,
except for Akina.
She annoys me a little bit sheannoyed me to no end.
In especially finale, it wasvery evident the way that she
describes things she'll be like,oh my gosh, like I should get

(09:12):
the book and like literally readyou the line because I just
can't even with it.
It's like the night smelled ofluck and glitter and I'm like
luck and glitter and I'm likeluck and glitter.
Don't have smells like what doyou mean?
Or she'll be like he tastedlike moon, light and shadows and
forgotten dreams and I'm likethose things don't have taste.

(09:35):
Like what are you talking about?
Like her like similes andmetaphors, just like were a bit
extreme, especially in the lasttwo car of all books, and I was
just like stop.
And I mean she definitely threwin some of those that I had to
like roll my eyes at throughoutthe once upon a broken heart
books, but like there reallyweren't nearly as many at all.

(09:58):
So like I don't know if sherealized or got a new editor or
what, but I was very gratefulthat she held back because I was
like if I have to read aboutthings smelling like luck and
broken dreams, like I'm down myass.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's hilarious.
I did not even notice that,like at all, but I listened to
it on audio book.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
So the last book I did the audio of and I enjoyed
it so much more and I think it'sbecause that stuff didn't stand
out as much, because what wouldhappen is my brain would get
stuck on it and I would likeread the same line over and over
and over.
This doesn't make sense.
This doesn't make sense and Iwould keep reading it being like
trying to make it make sensebut it's like a nonsensical

(10:38):
thing and so listening to itkind of it was like my brain
could just like ignore it.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah Not important to it, kind of it was
like my brain could just likeignore it.
Yeah, yeah, not important, so Ithink that that really helped a
lot.
I listened to all of those onaudio so I didn't even notice
any any of that at all.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I will say once upon a broken heart books.
I really loved reading thosewith my eyes because, okay, she
does put like the notes and allthat kind of stuff and like the
news there's newspaper articlesand like it's just really pretty
Like I love the formatting ofit and like the you know, the
design that she did, like itreally put me like in the story

(11:12):
a lot, which is fun.
So I don't know if you're ableto like get your hands on the
real books, at least to justlike see what it looks like?
Yeah, cause it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I did.
I did buy the real ones becauseI'm meeting Stephanie in March
and so I wanted to be able toget her to sign those.
There's like this North TexasTeen Book Festival or something
like that.
It's gonna have Lauren Roberts,jennifer Lynn Barnes, stephanie
Garber, who else are like abunch of other people KL Alter,

(11:45):
I think, like there are a bunchof them, rl Stein so they're all
going to be there signing.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I was buying.
Don't tell her what I saidabout moonlight and luck and
whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's her, that's her style.
Yeah, don't tell her.
I said that I definitely willnot.
But yeah, that's what else?
I am okay.
So I've Mistborn Darkness LovesCompany.
And then why am I blanking?
Oh, power Play.
I'm reading Power Play byChelsea Curto.
It's the second book after FaceOff and the DC stars, so it's

(12:18):
hockey romance and whoa, it'sspicier than the first one, like
it is really it's a lot thanthe first one, like it is.
really it's a lot, but the firstone, oh my gosh, is so good and
it's not that the second oneisn't, it's just a totally
different like.
They're just totally differentcharacters, totally different
themes going on.
So almost done with that.
And then I'm listening to CleanPoint by Meg Jones, which is

(12:40):
tennis romance.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh, I'm currently not listening to anything, oh well,
so usually I've got my kindle,my book book and my, my, kindle
I'm actually reading onyx stormon my kindle.
I'm insane.
I have three physical copiesand the kindle version and
eventually I'm making my husbandbuy the audiobook because I
have a problem.
But I just finished listeningto her night at the museum.

(13:05):
It was super cute.
It was like, oh, I'll tell youabout in a second.
But I finished that and like,when I finished onyx storm, I
actually want to listen to quicksilver because I've heard the
audiobook is really good and somy plan is to list is for that
to be my next audiobook.
So I was like I'm so close tobeing done, yeah, with onyx
storm, I'm just gonna like youknow, so I can start that next.

(13:27):
But so her night at the museum,it was just a cute, ridiculous
rom-com.
So it's like this artconservator, or whatever she
like works at an art museum andshe like restores pieces and she
works with sculptures, and sothis night sculpture comes in
and while, while you know, heends up being able to like talk

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into her head.
So actually he was like turnedinto a knight by some sorcerer,
you know, way back in his timein like the 1400s or 1300s.
How does that work?
He was like he was born in like1432 or something like.
Is that the 1300s or the 1400sor the 1500s, isn't it like?
Isn't it like not?
It's like a year behind or ayear ahead or it's.

(14:07):
Yeah, I thought it was behind1300s then I think so.
Anyway, he was from then, andso she ends up kissing him,
which makes him turn to life,and I tell you it's ridiculous.
It's so thin, but it was justhilarious because like he, you
know talking, like he lives fromthin and so she's trying to

(14:29):
like teach him about, like, theway the world is now and um, so
that was just reallyentertaining.
I felt like it was about twohours longer than it needed to
be, but it was just like thatsilly, light, fun, romantic kind
of thing.
That was nice, but it alsothere wasn't a lot of spice, but
the spice that was there wasvery descriptive, but I mean,

(14:55):
there really wasn't very much ofit, it was just maybe like
three times.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Oh, I do love, on audiobooks, how you can fast
forward though.
Yeah, it makes it easier thantrying to skim it.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, I can just hit the fast forward button
definitely, and I feel like Iwant to say they were sort of
like contained, like easy toskip, maybe like in a chapter.
I don't remember if you couldskip the whole chapter or not,
but but yeah, that it was prettyentertaining that kind of
reminds me of, like my roommateis a vampire, just like cute and
weird and quirky and just fun.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, like what you need after, exactly so okay.
One last question about OnyxStorm Are you liking reading it
with your Kindle the best rightnow?
Like why did you decide to gowith your Kindle versus the
physical copy?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Well, kind of two reasons.
The main one, and it has beenkind of my one big epic fantasy
books like that I just like toread on my kindle because
they're just so big, like thebook is just heavy and
cumbersome, and I like to do alot of my reading like at night
before I go to sleep, so it'shard to like play comfortably

(16:01):
with a ginormous book.
I also like to bring my book.
You know, when I go pick up thekids it's like I don't want to
lug a ginormous book.
I like to bring my book.
You know, when I go pick up thekids and it's like I don't want
to lug around this big, giantbook.
So even like Quicksilver I readon my Kindle.
Like most ACOTAR series I readon my Kindle.
Throne of Glass series I readon my Kindle.
And the Moonhatched I read onmy Kindle Like pretty much if

(16:31):
it's books and I'm not touchingthose, like those aren't reading
, like those are, like they'resitting on my shelf, I still
can't believe.
So Like I bought fourth wingbefore.
I just kind of saw it onInstagram and was like oh, that
looks interesting and like oh,those dragons on the side are
kind of pretty, and so like Ibought it and then it was like

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the day after I bought it itlike blew up and so like I have
a first edition great edged copyof fourth wing, which if you
look on eBay they're like $400.
Like my husband always jokes.
He's like we're going to sellthat.
I'm like no, we're not.
So it's like I didn't evenrealize what a treasure I was
able to get.
But and then I think back andI'm like I read it.

(17:15):
My husband read it, my book,bestie read it, like we.
I'm like passing this bookaround and now I'm like I can't
believe we all we're justreading this book.
That's like you know worthhundreds of dollars but now I'm
like no, like this is the onethat we look at on the shelf
because it's pretty.
And so then I did buy it and itjust arrived.

(17:36):
Today, the non-sprayed edge,just plain hardback version
arrived.
I had ordered the sprayed edgeversion on Amazon and they had
pushed it back to, I believe,tomorrow, and I was like yeah,
no, that's no.
And so Matthew picked up theother one at Target as well,
just so I could have my hands onit, cause I also have heard
horror stories of people likeordering it and then them

(18:00):
getting like a plain one, andI'm like I don't want that to
happen.
Or ordering it and then it'ssaying it's coming and then it's
canceled, and I was like Iwould feel better if you just
got it so that I could have myhands on it.
So I know that I have it.
So, anyway, that's my longdrawn out reason, like okay.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Getting into Quicksilver, otherwise we'll be
here all day One hour later.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Now how long.
Yeah, let's see's see um well,if you listen to kristen's
podcast by now, you know wespend the first half talking
about other stuff.
Yep, that's, that's how we doit.
This is what you signed up for.
There are time stamps.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
There are chapters.
They can literally just flipright to the conversation if
they want to, so it's fine, yeahperfect.
Yeah, just skip down it'sliterally like embedded in
spotify, so you can just clickand it'll take you right there.
Yeah, I had no idea.
Thank you to Buzzsprout forletting me do that for all.
Okay, so, quicksilver, what isyour overall rating, and did

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this book live up to the insanehype that is really starting to
surround it?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
So this book was hyped so huge and I feel like a
lot of times when a book ishyped huge, then it's hard for
it to live up to said hype.
And I felt like this book isnot hyped enough.
I was like what?
Like I was so mad because Iwaited way longer than I should
have to read this book and causeit was just fantastic.

(19:24):
I gave it five stars.
I loved it every single momentand I am going to listen to the
audio book because I loved itthat much.
I gosh, it was just so good.
It was just so good, Everysingle piece, and I can't wait
for the next one.
What did you?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
think.
So I did not share your opinion, I did not love it, I didn't
hate it, but I just liked it.
Okay, I think I'm kind of inbetween a three and a half and a
four, and I think I've prettymuch settled on like a three and
a half out of five.
You're not alone.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So you know Krista, from my Bookish Heart.
She feels similarly to you.
She gave it four, finallysomeone else.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I feel like I have not heard Y'all should DM.
Yeah, I'll have to ask her.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, you'll have to ask her because she has.
I mean, she has some goodreasons, but and I understand
them and I will say that, somost of my problems with it were
for the first half of the book,and I will say that.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
So most of my problems with it were for the
first half of the book and Ifeel like a lot of it was solved
by the second half.
So I'm going to continue theseries and give the second book
another chance, because I reallythink that the things that
bugged me there was charactergrowth, and a lot of it was
resolved.
So I feel like the second bookwill not bug me as much and I

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think I'm going to really enjoyit from the place that we ended
at, because it did end on acliffhanger, of course, because
it's fantasy, but so I thinkthat I'll like it.
And also, I never tend to likethe first book in a fantasy
series.
For some reason Like I reallyjust don't I end up liking the
second or the third book waybetter most of the time.

(21:04):
So it could be that too.
Which sidebar?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
of fourth wing.
Fourth wing is my favorite bookof all time, oh wow.
And I have now read it threetimes and I feel like I love it
even more every time and it, inmy opinion, far surpasses iron
flame and so far, far surpassesonyx storm, like it is just so

(21:28):
good.
So when you read them, I'msuper curious to see what you
think, just because I feel likeI feel similar.
I do feel like the first bookis kind of you know, it's
stepping into the world, we'regetting to know everybody, like
sometimes it takes a littlewhile to get into it, but like I
don't know what it is, but itis just epically, epically good
and it just gets better everytime I read it.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I don't know, okay, okay.
Well, that makes me even moreexcited to start it.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I need to know, like, what bought?
What was it that bothered youabout?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
oh, I'm gonna get into it on Quicksilver yeah.
I will.
I will get into the details, um, but first, if you could
describe the book in one word,what would it be?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
The first word that just popped into my head was
epic.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Mine was intense, so I think it matches.
It was a page turner, like Ireally wanted to know what
happened and I kept thinkingwhere, where are they going with
this?
Yes, where is this going to?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
take us.
It kept me up at night readinglate Wow.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
It was one of those.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Okay, good to know who were your favorite
characters oh, my gosh carry onwas my number one favorite.
Yep, he was my favorite sidebar.
We both read it with our eyes,so we don't know if we're saying
the character's names correctly, so if you listen to audiobook,
so so sorry, I tried calling mybook bestie to check on the
character names but she didn'tanswer so so you get what you
get, but carry on, I love.

(22:48):
He just cracked me up Like I wasimagining Nathan.
What's his name from Firefly?
Oh, and he's also in DrHorrible sing-along blog, nathan
Fillion.
Is that his name?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, he wascarry on.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Like I can see that, I can see that, I can see that.
I was DMing with somebody on mymasculine page, I think and I
told her that and she was like,oh my gosh that's how I imagined
him too, and then, wheneverthey flipped it and you found
out that he was a Fae too, I wasjust like Whoa, I did not see
that coming.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
That is the number one reason why I want to read it
again, like now that I knowthat, or their signs.
I need to like know.
Yeah, but yeah, he definitelywas my favorite.
I also really love gosh.
I can't remember anyone's name.
I'm the worst the guy that shemade the first sword for.

(23:42):
Oh that made the.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I cannot remember his name, l I think did his name
start with an l?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I wonder if I could like look up a list of like
characters like I, seriously Iread this in like november I
think I know you read it forever, and then I was like I'm gonna
read it, and then I would readsomething else.
I'm gonna read it.
I would read something.
Oh my gosh, I looked upQuicksilver character name.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Is it Lorith huh?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Lorith, yes, but it's , it pulled up there's like a
comic Quicksilver comic likesuperhero Quicksilver.
Okay, let's add Callie hart yeslauren, he was my other
favorite.
I really liked him.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I did like him.
I think it was carry on.
He was just my favorite.
He just he was shining and Iwanted to know more about him.
I love their banter, like hereally didn't shy away from
anything.
Yeah, and I'm kind of wonderingnow if he gave her so much crap
about sleeping with him becausehe could this whole smell thing

(24:48):
and being a fae.
So now I kind of wonder ifthat's why he was extra on her
case the entire time.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Because of that, because I thought he was just
like, just cocky, to be honest,for a long time there and I was
like yep, yep, that's, that'sjust, that's him, because
honestly, like I mean, I justlike liked him well, but then
when we found that out I waslike also, I just loved his
whole scene with his sword andlike telling the sword jokes.

(25:17):
And then like naming his swordsimon, like that was just like
who named?
And then I was like of coursehe would name it simon, like
he's ridiculous.
And then to find out that heactually is Fae and would still
name his sword Simon made iteven more funny to me, like I
know you have to respect himliving in that kind of
environment when, for allintents and purposes, it seems

(25:39):
like he technically doesn't haveto.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
So our favorite character is carrion.
We've been saying it wrong.
There's so many differentthings you could say like
caraval, caraval, caraval, youknow whatever like there's so
many different little variations, yeah it's, it's whatever and
it's fantasy.
So you know who really knows?

(26:02):
Does anyone actually know?
Know, who knows?
The voice actors just had tomake a choice and go with it.
So, who knows, they couldliterally be wrong.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know I've actually heard some stories of authors
saying that, like the audiobooknarrators like said the name
wrong.
Oh wow, uh, like Voldemort wasapparently just supposed to be
Voldemort.
Oh wow, yeah, wow, which isweird to think about.
Right, why'd you put a T?
Then the T is silent, of course, don't you know?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Clearly not.
So getting back to I can go onand on about this what
frustrated you?
Was there anything thatfrustrated you?
Paige whenever you were readingit.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I don't know that anything in particular
frustrated me.
I was frustrated just ingeneral that we didn't get
answers to everything.
But of course it's the firstbook in a series, so you don't
want to give all the answers,because otherwise why would you
keep reading and what are yougoing to write about in the next
book?
I think the thing thatfrustrated me the most honestly
is that we never got an answerfor what the bird was meant for

(27:09):
above her heart, because we gotanswers for the hand tattoos,
but we never did get a reasonfor why she had that tattoo.
So I'm assuming that she'llgive us more information about
that, like I'm hoping, in thenext book.
And I was also justdisappointed that we didn't get

(27:31):
more time with them together atthe end, like I wish they had
had a little bit more time tounpack and like be happy that
they were reunited.
Like, basically, he just kissedher on the head and was like
your coronation's in the morning, be it, and so like I was
hoping for a little bit more oflike a reunion between the two
of them.
Oh, oh, yes, because thishappens at the very beginning.
I remember being so frustrated Iwas like what are you thinking

(27:52):
so she has this gauntlet thatshe's stolen.
And then she's like why don't Ijust give it to my brother,
idiot, who I know will try toget rid of it?
Like what are you saying?
Why did you do that?
Like why?
But then I guess I just kind offorgot that I was mad about it
because then it ended up it it'sit was the event that then

(28:14):
caused everything else to happen, and so everything else
wouldn't have happened unlessthat had happened.
And so it's like well, I'm gladyou gave it to your brother and
you were stupid, but like still, if you knew that that's what
he's gonna do, why would yougive it to him in the first
place?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
like yeah, I don't get, and she's generally very
smart and very quick witted andshe survived on the streets this
long, so it is kind of likewait what which, like I get.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
She didn't want to bring it in with her because she
knew that carrie in would knowthat she had it, and it's like I
guess she didn't have anywhereelse to put it, but just like,
and I guess she couldn't havefound a spot in like the welding
shop because then he might haveum her boss, I don't know maybe
when you give it to him, tellhim specifically at least,

(29:03):
because she just gives it to himand she's like does she even
say anything?
I don't think she really saysanything.
No, does she say like don'tlook in the bag, or something?
Yeah, if you hear that, what doyou want to do?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
look, in the bag.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, so that is true .
I mean, I don't know that wasstupid, but I forgive it because
, yeah, we had to have somethinghappen.
True that that is true.
It sounds to me like you havequite the laundry list of things
that you didn't like I do.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
But, like I said, I really think that most of them
got resolved and the characterskind of grew past it.
So yeah, and I'm going off ofmemory because I think I read
this in like November, so I hadto listen back to my voice notes
because I made these voicenotes where I am so mad I'm
listening to my voice and it washilarious to listen back to.

(29:49):
But anyway, because I was likeyou know what I don't like you
should just insert your voicenotes here seriously.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Just put them at the end if anyone wants to listen to
them.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yep, you can hear me rant like I should have been.
Oh man, okay.
So problem number one um, thisis probably going to be very
polarizing and I think everyonemight just kind of shut their
brain off here.
I kind of think that for mostof the book I didn't like Fisher
and he sucked and I was reallynot liking Fisher.

(30:20):
Yeah, like, really not likingFisher.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh so Like really not liking Fisher.
Oh, so me the first time.
Okay, Look, I was like everyoneis like King Fisher.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I hate him.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
He's bad words that I shouldn't say out loud, like
you know, it's just like he'shorrible, like I don't like him
at all.
Do you know how refreshing itwas to read a true enemies?
Yeah, oh yeah.
It was done so well becausethey truly hated each other, and

(30:52):
so well that I hated him too,yes, and then by the end, I was
like I think that takes talentto, like you know, truly make me
not like him, true, and then tomake me like him, like wow gold
.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
So I think, like, ultimately, fisher reminds me of
like a grown-up version ofPrince Carden from the Cruel
Prince.
Yes, I've only read the firstbook.
Yeah, of the Cruel Prince Ihaven't read the whole trilogy.
And again, I did not likeCarden the entire first book.
You know, when he kicked dirtinto Jude's food, I was like I

(31:31):
do not like this guy.
When Fisher just treated herlike the dirt under his shoe and
I think in most like enemies tolovers or even rivals to lovers
, they have some kind of mutualrespect and in both of those
books I didn't see the respect.
They acted like they werestupid idiots that were just the
dirt under their shoe and I itwas almost like borderline bully

(31:52):
romance and I hated that.
I hated that.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
So I think I held more of a grudge on Fisher than
she did but like when we finallygot to his reasoning as to why,
I was like, oh my gosh, likeeverything is forgiven, like I
understand, I don't know.
And side note, when you readOnce Upon a Broken Heart, I also

(32:20):
there's a character in thatbook that was similar, that made
me think of Prince Corden fromthe Cruel Prince books.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Like.
A specific part that also kindof annoyed me about him earlier
in the book was whenever she gotbitten by the fox the first
time before it became her pet,and she's just like sitting
there like gushing blood fromher arm and he is just like,
well, I guess you'll have tolike, live with the consequences
of your choices and likedoesn't.
I guess you'll have to like,live with the consequences of
your choices and like doesn't,even kind of.
But again, that is fitting forhis personality.

(32:47):
But you know, and I mean thatmakes sense because she has to
want to punch him in the face.
So you know you wouldn't wantto punch someone in the face.
That's like, oh, are you okay?
But it was just like, wait,you're not even going to kind of
help her over there.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Not at all.
I think it's that he knew thatit really wasn't that big of a
deal, because then, remember,when she really is injured and
he's like running through true,I mean he's like somebody help,
like it was totally like youknow, touch her and die
mentality, and so I think it wasjust like he knew he had to
stick her with barbs to keep heraway, yeah, and so he knew that

(33:21):
she wasn't really all thatbadly injured and she would be
fine, so he's not gonna freakout about it.
But then, like, when she reallytruly was in grave peril, you
know, he was like, yeah, which Ilove, I also love the touch of
her, die like good to know.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
But yeah, I think a lot of my problems stemmed with
Fisher and how he treated her.
Also.
I kind of felt like ultimatelythe whole fated mates thing at
first was a little bit of acop-out for them not to have a
greater conversation, likewhenever the first kind of spice
scene hit, based on like theintensity of it, I felt like

(34:02):
they didn't have the mutualtrust with each other that they
needed to be doing the thingsthat they were doing and it just
kind of felt like there wasn'treally a conversation.
There was like I don't knowthey just and it doesn't, I
guess, even have to be aconversation, because I get the
whole fact of like it justhappened so quickly or whatever.

(34:23):
But I just didn't understandreally why she was so attracted
to him and they didn't have anykind of conversation and then
they did the things that theydid and then it just kind of
felt like for a while and shewould even say stuff like I
tried not to think about it or Itried not to think about it too
much and I just enjoyed beingwith him and like spending time

(34:43):
with him.
So it was addressed.
It's not like Kelly justglossed over it or anything, but
I just felt like they needed tohave a conversation earlier.
And they did have moreconversations as the book went
along and he did change hisoverall tune and you found out
the source and kind of why, butit it just I don't know.

(35:04):
It just seemed like it wentfrom one extreme to the other
and I needed something, whetherit's like them stopping and
having a true conversationearlier or whatever but I just
he was so hot and cold and Icould not figure out why she was
quite so attracted to him, eventhough he was.
Basically, it felt like givingher breadcrumbs for a while.

(35:24):
Until you know, he explained it.
I don't know, it just rubbed methe wrong way.
He rubbed me the wrong way andI just really struggled to
switch over, even when hestarted acting like, you know,
an actual book boyfriend shouldact.
So a lot of my problems areliterally with him, that's, a
majority of my issue is him.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I feel like in these fantasy books, when there's like
fated mates and it's just sortof the formula right, like yeah,
they're fated mates, butthey're or one of them or both
of them are resistant of it, Ithink that, like, what fated
mates are is like their bodiesand their souls are like meant
to be together, whether or nottheir minds realize they need to

(36:09):
be together.
So I feel like in thoseinstances it's sort of like
their body and soul is liketaking over them because like
deep in their bones they knowlike they're magnets, like they
just need to be together okay,even if their minds are
resisting the connection.
And so I don't know, I guessthat's kind of how I feel about

(36:32):
all of that and, like I don'tknow, I feel like eventually
they talk about it later.
They do, they do, they do, andso like I felt like their first
time together made sense because, like they wouldn't reason each
other together if they had aconversation, I guess because
they would just find an excuse.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't know.
I think I think it worked finefor me, but I feel like I just
need to read it again.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'll let you know after I listen to it, but but
exactly, and you read a lot offantasy and romancy and I don't
or like.
I've been just getting into itand since I read Quicksilver in
November, it was one of my first.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It was only like my second book that had Faye in it
and I hadn't really read a lotof Fated Mates, so I feel like
it's a pretty common situationfor them to be together before
they realize that they're meantto be together, and oftentimes
in a situation where, like, theydon't fully necessarily think
that they like the other person.

(37:33):
So I feel like it's just kindof like a it fits the trope,
yeah, of the situation.
So I guess it just doesn'treally bug me because it's kind
of what's expected, I guess.
I don't know true.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Maybe I was just coming at it with like a
contemporary romance brain andI'm like wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait.
This is all wrong.
This is not how this issupposed to go, Fated.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Mates is more than just I.
Like you, fated Mates, is theuniverse made the two of you to
be together forever and you'remeant to be together and you
will be together, or like you'regonna die without each other
kind of thing, and it's like youknow, they just don't have
control over it, so like theyjust have to figure it out yeah,
that's fair interesting take Ican that's how I, that's what I

(38:20):
think, but you know, that's justme no, I get it.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean you and a lot of other people who, like gave
it five stars, so it is not.
It's not as if it's just you,like I'm in the minority over
here.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's so funny because I was reading through like some
of the reviews and sometimes Ilike to read like the bad
reviews and like mock them and alot of.
I'm like bring me all the fadedmates.
Just like, bring me all thefake dating.
Bring me a book with fakedating and faded mates.
Who's written that?
Someone write that and I willread it.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'll let you know.
I'm sure it's out there.
It has to be out there.
It has to be out there.
But yeah, fake dating and fadedmates, give it to me, I'm here
for it.
There was one, like one starreview of Quicksilver that said
something like are y'all okay?
And I couldn't stop laughing no, we're not okay.
It's such a perfect thing.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
People post the like and you can scroll through like
all the one stars or whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
That's hilarious.
Okay, so the last thing that Ireally had a problem with, that
I can remember.
I mean, I'm sure there areother little things, but I don't
remember those.
Like I said, my voice memos arejust, you know, but I don't
like that's.
I just I'm telling you you haveto put them, you have to.
I'll have to put a littlesnippet of them.
Yeah, I'll put a little snippet, because I sound so bad.

(39:40):
It's bad, but anyway.
So I felt like and again I maynot feel like this after the
second book, depending on whereshe takes it.
I liked the portal thing.
I thought that that was a coolidea that she opened the portal
or somehow accidentally, andthen Fisher came out and sent

(40:00):
her kind of into a differentportal stratosphere.
So her ultimate goal is to getback to her brother thought that
was really smart and reallylike easy to understand.
Okay, this is goal number oneget back to your brother.
But it seemed like towards theend there were just a lot like
there was so much going on thatI kind of wish that maybe she

(40:21):
would have cut out like one ortwo things.
I think my main thing is whythe whole like maze trials thing
that Fisher had gone throughfor years and years and years
with, like the big spider andstuff.
I felt like that one kind ofmaze thing just felt like a
little bit too much because youalready had the feeders coming
in and trying to push them back.

(40:41):
So that whole thing made senseand I guess maybe the maze part
was the only way that thecurrent queen and the person who
was the head of the feederscould all be like working
together to have this huge mazewith, like all the souls.
I don't know.
That just felt like maybe alittle bit much compared to.
You had the portal, which was sogood, and you had her ultimate

(41:02):
goal.
You had the feeders andeverything that they have, and
you had the fact that the sisterwas now kind of, you know,
fisher's sister gosh I can'teven remember her name was
bitten and was possible.
They were trying to figure outa way around that.
Like you have that conflictgoing on.
So I feel like you have so manygood things and then, of course
, whenever, um, whenever sariswent up to like the gods or

(41:24):
whatever, and they were askingher what she thought and all
that stuff, that was really good.
So I just felt like you had allof these like really good
motivations and it just kind offelt like adding the maze thing
on top of it was just a lot andI don't know.
It just kind of convoluted it asmidge to me because the other
parts were strong enough andwere entertaining enough that I
felt like you kind of could havejust first welcome to romancy.

(41:46):
It's gonna be like, yeah, again, not not a huge romancy reader,
so that makes sense.
Why I don't?
There's gonna be a millionthings.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Okay.
But also, though, I liked themaze, like because how else
would you do the coin?
Because that was a huge piece,true, was the coin.
And him like finding the coin.
So like how would you have hadthem find the coin, otherwise I
would have to think on that, butI'm sure I could find a way.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
But yeah, that's fair like I feel like it did.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I thought it was a good representation of the power
of malcolm.
Was that his name, malcolm Evilguy?
And I think it showed the factthat he did get injured or die
whenever the walls stoppedmoving.
It kind of showed that and italso helped us understand the
true horror that Kingfisherendured For that, like hundred

(42:40):
years or whatever.
Yeah, to see where he was andthen have to experience some of
the trials that he had to do,like.
I feel like that was reallypowerful and understanding his
motivations and like hischaracter.
So I don't know, I disagree.
I feel like the maze wasdefinitely a powerful and
important piece of the storythat's a good point, but I
understand being a lot of stuff,but that's just kind of the

(43:02):
nature.
I mean, that's nature of thestory.
That's a good point, but Iunderstand being a lot of stuff,
but that's just kind of thenature.
I mean that's nature of thebeast, like that's what a
romantic is gonna do.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's always gonna be crazy, crazy, crazy at the end
okay, that makes sense, thingsto know going forward because,
yeah, good things going forward.
Because, like I said, I'mmainly reading like thrillers or
contemporary romance or yafantasy, which is way watered
down.
So after coming off of a lot ofYA fantasy I was like what is

(43:27):
this book, like what is going on?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
So that also may not have helped with where, like I
was mentally I struggle with YAfantasy because I'm like none of
that was happening, Like thisis so boring, Like there needs
to be more.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I love YA fantasy, so that makes more sense what
we're both looking for.
Um random aside, but have youread the plate of prisoner
series or started it?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
so I read the first one and I loved it.
Yep, I read the first like Idon 20% of the second one and I
was like I hate this so much,like I hate it.
And so I stopped and I own allthree because I was like this is
so great, I'm going to buy themall.
The main character says anddoes certain things that negate

(44:15):
lots of things that she didbefore and her character just
doesn't make sense.
Like the choices that she madeat the beginning don't add up to
the things that we know at theend.
Like the choices that she madeat the beginning don't add up to
the things that we know at theend, and it just made me really
mad.
I don't know that I ever willfinish reading them.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I don't know.
I do think it gets a little bitbetter.
So if you ever pick it up, ifyou ever decide to pick it up,
but again, once you get a badtaste in your mouth on a
specific series, sometimes it'shard to ever go back to it,
you're just like I don't knowand at this point, like so much
time has passed, I'm like I'mnot sure I could even keep up
with it.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I probably have to like reread true, so I don't
know, I probably should try tojust sell them, or something.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I'm on book three, or no?
Yeah, I just got to book three,so I haven't started it yet.
It's on my list now.
I'm in the middle of too manyseries.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
This is getting frustrating series are so great,
but they're also the work.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It's like they take up so much time I know, oh my
gosh, it's kind of like.
The other day, um, I did abuddy read with a couple friends
.
We read war hour and it's it'swhy a fantasy, and, oh man, we
thought it was like a duology ora trilogy.
It is going to be a five bookseries and we were like, oh no,

(45:23):
now we just signed up for fivebooks because we're not going to
be able to not know whathappened after.
We're already invested.
So we'll see.
Book two is about to come out.
But, yeah, there's, there areliterally only two books.
It's going to be a five bookseries and we're like, okay, so
now for like the next five years, we're just going to be stuck
in this series all right.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
What other questions do you have?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
um, did any of the magical elements feel especially
unique or exciting to you,especially because you've read a
lot of fantasy or fantasy?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I loved the sword making.
That was cool.
It was so cool, especially herand then she made the sword.
Yes, like the scene where shemakes lorith's sword and then he
like talks to the sword andthen it, you know, like shines

(46:16):
in this I was like, yes, likethe most epic thing ever.
Like just the whole thing withlike the swords being imbued
with special powers and then forspecific people, and like just
the fact that she was able tolike forge them, like I thought
that that was really super cool.

(46:37):
And I don't know, my husbandwould probably laugh, because he
he reads a lot of high fantasy.
I'm sure he'd be like that's inlike every book.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I've ever read.
I love your impression of hisbook.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Like.
This is the first book in aromantic that I've read that has
weapons that are so personified, I guess, and so I don't know.
I just thought that was really,really cool yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I liked that.
I've never read a fantasy orromancy book with the tattoos
like that was really unique.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah well, I did like that because, of course, lots
of books have tattoos.
Lots of books have tattoos thatappear and they grow on their
bodies from nowhere.
That's a common thing to happen, but from them to move from one
body to the other was supercool, and then for what they
were for was and the lore behindall of that and them trying to

(47:36):
figure it out with like thebooks in the library.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
That was cool loved that that was cool and it wasn't
just like, oh, we just knowwhat the tattoos mean, like they
did have to go to the libraryand figure it out, and I like
that when stuff doesn't you knowjust appear to them like, oh,
we looked in the first place andit was just there and I love
that their tattoos on her handsappeared when they were having a

(48:01):
vulnerable emotional moment,like I thought that that was
really, really powerful, thatthat's when they made their
appearance, I agree.
I feel like I know what you'regoing to pick for this one, but
were there any moments where youfound yourself yelling at the
characters for their choices?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Well, the gauntlet.
Gauntlet, obviously, that one.
Yes, I was kind of mad at Kingking fisher whenever he just
like abandoned everybody to savewhat's her face?
Uh, ever lynn, or eversomething, what's her?

Speaker 1 (48:34):
I'm going back to she's not even on my list, you
know.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, you know I'm talking about, yeah, the one she
like first meets ever, thatgets captured by the vampires.
Yeah, I was kind of mad that hedid that, but it's like of
course you're gonna do that,like it wasn't surprising.
And then, oh, I hated dana date.
What was her name.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Oh yes, um, I can't remember her name either, but I
know exactly who you're talkingabout.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
She just needs to be deleted from the book I
basically was just mad at hernon-stop like I never.
Every time we saw her face Ijust wanted to punch it like
she's just the worst ever.
I hated her so clue fansanybody.
I hated her so much.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I am on the side of my chest, breathless, heaving
breath.
That's how I felt, I know Ifelt like I was waiting for her
redemption arc.
I thought maybe she's going toget a clue for a second and that
, nope, no.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I am ready for her to like I don't know if, like book
two, she's going to end upbeing like truly bad, or if
she'll get a redemption arc inbook two.
I could see her, her like goingto the bad side.
Honestly, that would make themost sense.
I just don't like her.
And when her hand, when herhand like did it blow off?
Like didn't it like explode off?

Speaker 1 (49:57):
and she tried, I was like yeah, yep that's what you
get, I know, and it's just weirdthe way that she diminished.
Saris frustrated me becauseit's like she's one of the only,
not the only one of the fewfemales that is remotely related

(50:17):
to this army in here and you'renot even going to give her a
chance and you're going tocompletely shoot her down
because of what?
Just the fact that she's human,like, is that literally it?
And I kind of wonder if, likeat some point and it may not be
true, but I kind of almostwonder if at some point maybe
she liked Fisher, so she feelsthreatened.
I don't know.

(50:37):
I think also she's just reallylike, not, she can't see through
her rage.
So it might be more on that thanever having anything for fisher
, but it just was so weird howshe instantly didn't like her,
never gave her a chance, whenit's like wait a minute, don't
you want someone like that onyour side and you see how
powerful she is, don't youreally want someone like that on
your side, right?

(50:58):
I don't know, I don't.
It was weird, but you know, whoknows what'll happen.
Clearly, there's probablysomething that's gonna happen
and Callie's like haha, justwait till book two, so we'll,
we'll figure it out eventually.
So did you feel like the pacingoverall was consistent, or were
there any moments that feltlike dragged or rushed?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I feel like the beginning of the book dragged
for me just because I feel likeit took forever for us to meet
king fisher, like.
But looking at it in retrospect, I think it was nice to see her
at home and to see that worldand then to, at the time, think

(51:40):
that this guy, who is completelynot important at all, is
actually, like, extremelyimportant to the story, was
there from the very beginning,which is another reason why I
want to reread again.
So I just felt like, you know,oh, my goodness, like we're
taking so long to get to likethe good stuff.
But I didn't really realize wekind of already were in some of

(52:01):
the good stuff, I guess.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
But yeah, that was really the only time and we got
to interact with carrie, inwhich who knew how big of a deal
he was going to be later on?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
because that person was like, okay, is the one that
he pulled out of it, when he wasthe one that he pulled out.
I laughed out loud.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I was like, oh my gosh, like this is yeah, it
can't be that easy.
It can't be her brother, ofcourse.
And then, whenever fisherrealized why he was the one that
he pulled out, I think that wasalso kind of funny.
Oh man, excited to read thisagain.

(52:37):
Um, I will say that, like for aportion, when they were in the
whole like fey realm kind ofthing, when she was just
learning the hang of it and shewas in school and fisher was
being a jerk to her and all thatlike that was maybe a smidge
slow, but again, they kind ofhad to build a rapport between

(52:59):
all of those characters and shehad to get frustrated and her
frustration had to build andthen she had to go to the
welding like studio shop,whatever you want to call it,
and then have it completely, youknow, build to the point to
where, yeah, she's, you know,about to explode.
So I mean, I get that, but itwas just a little bit slow.
Like you said, looking back inretrospect it's easy to see how.

(53:21):
Okay, I get why you did that.
But while I was reading I waslike, okay, we were slow, we
picked up, and now we're alittle bit slow again, but it
picked up towards the end a lot.
So uh, yeah, that was insane sowe were just getting a little
break before it.
It just went crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
The calm before the storm exactly come before the
storm okay.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
So were there any plot twists that genuinely
surprised you?
There were a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Um, yeah, like the zombie things yes, the feeders
that like jumped through thewindow.
I was like, oh my goodness, Iwas not shocked by the fact that
they were mates, like I feellike you could see that coming
to my yeah book what was carrieand being a fae?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
that was shocking.
That shocked, that wassurprising.
I yelled what out loud I didnot see that coming at all I was
so shocked.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I was shocked when he was pulled through the portal.
Oh yeah, that's true.
Oh, I was shocked when he waspulled through the portal oh
yeah, that's true.
Oh, I was shocked when thesword was like imbued with power
, like I wouldn't say it waslike a shocking moment, but I
was just like surprised by thatwhole unfolding of events, like
I was not expecting that to bewhat happened, you know.

(54:40):
So that was really exciting,that's true, yeah, yeah, I agree
.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Oh, I think actually I was really exciting.
That's true, yeah, yeah, Iagree.
Oh, I think actually I was.
No, no, I wasn't, nevermind.
I did predict it Fisher'ssister being bitten.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
So when we first saw her across the water.
At first I was afraid that shehad turned bad on purpose and
had like betrayed them, but thenI realized that she had been
kidnapped and I was like, oh,okay.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
It was like the way that he was talking or something
that made me think, oh, Ihaven't seen the sister in a
while.
I bet they have the sister andthen so it was like one of those
five seconds before I guessedit.
So I don't even know if thatreally counts, you know, because
it's not like I predicted thatfrom the beginning or you
couldn't have predicted thatfrom the beginning, but you know

(55:22):
what I mean, it wasn't that farin advance, but I did see that
one coming, but barely, justbarely, only because of her
context clues.
Okay, so it's going to have aNetflix adaptation.
Is there a scene that you mostwant to see on screen, but you
hope that they add in there?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
first of all and this is a very unpopular like thing
to say, I'm sure but I am nothappy that it's being made into
Netflix adaptation for a fewreasons.
Number one Netflix, are youserious?
Like if it was HBO, maybe Iwould be like halfway excited.
Number two the series is notdone like finish the books, then

(56:00):
make the show, like because Idon't want, because a lot of
times, like, the writings of theshow can influence the way the
book was gonna go, or, like youknow, I like to imagine it in my
own head and now I'm gonna seethese people, even if I choose
not to watch the show, I'm stillgonna see, I'm sure, like
previews and clips and things,and it's like that's gonna put

(56:20):
that image of that person in myhead as that character now, and
it's's like I want to imagine itmy way.
So I don't know, I'm not superpumped about the fact that
they're making a show, but thethings that they absolutely have
to include, no matter what or Iwill be so upset is the kiss
against the bookshelf, theirfirst kiss, because that was wow

(56:44):
.
Also the whole tattoo, likesituation um, of course, the
sword, yeah, stuff, yeah, has tobe.
And then also my favorite scenein the whole book book was when
everybody in his pack cut theirhand and put it on her chest,

(57:08):
called her their sister orwhatever.
Yeah, that was so powerful tome.
And then he did it and said hername for the first time.
Like that scene was just so Igot goosebumps, like it was just
so amazing.
And then, of course, his wholeexplanation of why he truly

(57:31):
calls her Osha was just that hasto be in there somehow.
But yeah, I feel like for methose are like the big,
important things that I wouldjust be so sad if they cut any
of that stuff.
But I honestly don't know thatI would watch it Like, yeah, I
would probably want to finishreading all the books first and

(57:52):
then go back and see it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I just hope that they don't diminish like Carrion's
character and the portal thingin the beginning.
That's kind of more my thing.
It's like if they, you knowknow, were trying to cut for
time or diminish his characterand make him not as big of a
player.
Is it going to be a movie or atv show?
Let me see, because now I can'tremember.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I looked it up before because I feel like if it's a
movie, they're gonna have to cutout a lot of stuff because it's
really yeah and there's no wayyou could fit everything that's
in a movie?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
do they even know yet ?
Or do they just movie, movie,movie.
That's what I was thinking.
This was going to be a seriesfor some reason.
Oh man, okay, never mind, Idon't know what this is going to
be like.
Then you know, and after um, agood girl's guide to murder was
bad.
Uh, one of us was lying was bad, and I can't even think of

(58:49):
other adaptations that have justbeen.
So they're both, don't oh youshould watch.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I never read the book so maybe it's not good, but you
should watch.
It starts off blue lights, redlights, you're gonna something,
something tonight.
You know what this song I'mtalking about?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
no, it feels this good, oh, it must be.
Oh, I know what song you'retalking about, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
But that's like what it started off as every it's.
It's a ellen hinderbrand bookand I, oh idol, let me just,
isn't?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
that her name.
Yes, I've not read any of herbooks, so yeah, but I do know
All right, you keep talkingabout stuff and I'll try to find
it Okay.
Oh yeah, I don't know.
The adaptations just make menervous and even like Catherine
Sinner's adaptations, I feellike happiness for beginners was
probably her better one, butthe Last Husband was not

(59:44):
fantastic, even though they hadthe star power in both.
So I don't know.
I just feel like adapt, adapt,oh my gosh, I can't even say it.
It just makes me nervous.
Adaptations, thank you.
It makes me nervous.
It makes me so nervous.
I don't, I don't know, and I'msure that, again, it's hard to

(01:00:06):
take something that's so belovedas a screenwriter, but what is
it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
a perfect couple.
Oh yeah, yeah, I have notwatched that.
It's like a mini series onNetflix and it was super good
okay good to know, really,really, really good yeah they
did.
So I have not read the book.
So maybe if people have readthe book, they're like it was
terrible.
But I think that's the thing is.
Like it's so hard because youhave to remember like it was
inspired by the book or based onthe book, and it's like

(01:00:31):
obviously you're not going to beable to put everything.
You just can't capture themagic of it.
Like there's nothing likereading it and everyone is going
to have a different experiencebased on your own personal
experiences and the way thatyou're going to imagine things
and the things that areimportant to you or stand out to
you.
And so I don't know.
I think that when they do thingslike this for me, I feel like

(01:00:53):
it's important to put space if Iwant to enjoy.
So I can't very well read thebook and then, like the next day
, watch the movie because I'lljust be mad that it's not the
same.
Yeah, but like, if I have a lotof time, like let's say, every,
you know, maybe I finish allthese quick silver books and
then, like you know, in a yearI'm like, yeah, I'll watch the

(01:01:13):
Netflix show, because by thenall I will remember are like the
vibes, and then the vibes arethe same, then I'll be happy.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
And I mean, what a screenwriter has to think about
I want an author has to thinkabout are just two totally
different things.
So that may also just be kindof why it really is never going
to match up.
Having to tell it visuallyversus, you know, being able to
anything goes in a book, yeah,it's just so.
Yeah, so, completely different.
But I kind of wonder what, likesome of these, like these, like

(01:01:43):
what is the budget going to be?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
It has to be a huge budget to bring something like
Quicksilver to like.
That's going to be insaneBecause they're going to need to
do a lot of like CGI with likethings and like the sword
lighting up the sky and like youknow, the maze and the spider
Like.
So either it's going to be sobad because, like you didn't
spend it on, you know you'regoing to spend millions and
millions and so it better begood.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
And the feeders are going to give me nightmares.
I just know it.
Those things were terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
They were terrifying, you really have you seen
Stranger Things?
I know, I know If anyone's seenStranger, stranger things, I
imagined a little bit the likestranger thing, monsters, a
little bit maybe they can borrowsome of their stuff.
I don't think that they werequite that frightening, but like
a little piece of me because Ithink they were select people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
But when they got really messed up I was imagining
more like the stranger thingmonsters just any zombie because
I know they're supposed to belike vampires like a zombie
vampire hybrid kind of thingyeah, the leader people as like
vampires and then yeah liketheater people as like zombies
yeah, I was picturing like azombie with fangs, basically I

(01:02:57):
didn't even imagine them havingwell, I guess they were supposed
to have, like sharper teethlike a yeah, like I imagine,
like a person, but zombifiedwith fangs.
Yes, okay, that that's prettymuch.
It.
Is there anything else that youwould like to say about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Quicksilver.
So I felt like this book hadthemes from like so many other
books and just different showsand things like that, and so, um
, I had like a list in my headof like different books that,
like it, made me think of butnow I, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
No, I didn't ask that the cruel prince was mine.
That was my main one, is?
It just reminded me a lot ofthe cruel prince, but I had just
read that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, so I felt like it had.
I felt like it had me likezombie stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
But then I felt like it had um, some like like the
twilight girls are gonna eat ohyeah, yeah, you're right, you're
right yeah, my gosh, when hebit her, like oh, I was gonna
say I thought that was weird, Ithought that I was like why?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I'm like, oh my gosh, like when there's biting, I'm
like that is anyway it's becausethe twilight, I think it was
like ingrained anyway, um.
And then I felt some beauty andthe beast vibes with all oh
yeah photos like scratched up,then stuff like that, yep, um.
And then lord of the ringsvibes with like all the weaponry
, um, and the swords, like powerand things like that, because

(01:04:26):
there's a lot of that kind ofstuff in lord of the rings.
And then I felt like of coursethere's like the basic
romanticist, like enemies tolover lovers vibes.
I got a lot of vibes from, likeum, the akatar series,
especially with the tattoos,because there's a lot of
symbolism with tattoos in theACOTAR series.

(01:04:46):
They don't float from eachother's bodies but there are a
lot of tattoos in the ACOTARbooks.
But anyway, I just really lovedhow I felt like it was a neat
story that had elements fromother, elements from other books

(01:05:10):
that I've read but that werebrought together in such a
unique and different way, and soI felt like it was easy to get
into because it made it easy forme to imagine, because I've
read other you know and seenthese other things, so it kind
of like brought the imagery tomy mind easily and quickly, but
yet it was put together in a waythat was super unique.
Even though it's kind of acomplicated world and there's a
lot of different things, it waseasy and quick to get immersed

(01:05:34):
into the story because it kindof draws from a lot of other
stuff, I guess, if that makessense at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Yep, no, that does.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That does.
That's just kind of my lastthoughts, but yeah, I just loved
it and I'm super, super excitedfor the next one and I can't
believe that she is like halfvampire, half Faye and I need to
know, like, how is that goingto work?
Oh, I have a question for youDo you think that they can talk

(01:06:09):
into each other's minds becausethey're mates, or do you think
that he can just talk intopeople's minds and because he's
him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I kind of thought it was actually because of the
quicksilver.
Like he's infected by thequicksilver and she can
manipulate the quicksilver, sothe quicksilver is their link of
why they can talk to each other.
That's my guess actually yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
So do you feel like, if they're able to get the
Quicksilver out of him, thatthey would lose that connection?

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Oh, that's a good point, but now, at this point,
but now she's Fae.
Yeah, I was going to say nowshe's Fae, and I think the Fated
Mates thing might play into itas well.
So I kind of feel like theirpowers at that point will be so
strong that without thequicksilver it could kind of
work.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
But yeah, my initial thing was just that the
quicksilver is like a metalelement and a metal magic
element and like she clearlyalready had the like alchemol
powers, like, do you think thatshe'll have other powers as a
fey?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean well, and as a vampire,
like does she gain anything frombeing a vampire?
Or like, why is she one?
What is that gonna do for her?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I guess that should fall into something that, like
frustrated me.
I don't know that frustrated meso much as confused me.
Like I thought that all thevampires were bad, but then the
vampire was actually that onevampire that was his like,
second like was actually good,and so then I didn't understand
all that.
So I'm hoping the second timethrough because you're right, at

(01:07:35):
the end there's so much that ishappening so I'm like did I
miss something?
Like it's just a lot ofinformation to process, so I'm
hoping, like when I listen to it, maybe I can pick up on,
understand better the wholevampire yeah, I didn't get that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I was very confused, yeah, and then it was even more
confusing whenever she wasbitten and I'm like wait, so
what does this actually mean forher?

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
I have no idea like I feel like we were led to
believe that if they were chosento be a vampire then they would
be immediately bad.
And yet he was good.
And like I don't, I don't getit, because then you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
So why are they so worried about the sister?
You know, if they can say, ifshe can be fine, then why does
it seem like she's destined to afate different than them?
yes, exactly so I'm hoping thatI just missed something, and if
I didn't miss something, thenthis better, very well, better
be explained, yeah, in book two,and she's probably leading us
this way for a purpose and thenwe'll go oh, okay, but yeah,

(01:08:30):
it's kind of funny that, um,basically, now that she's a Fae
vampire and he's a Fae, they'restill not the same species.
Like they could.
They were almost the samespecies and now they're still
not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
they're still not really I was talking to somebody
I don't know if it was in mydms or what, but they were
saying that they thought thatsince she was fey, now maybe she
could like turn herself all theway fey and like get rid of the
vampire part.
I was like I don't know how shewould do that.
But okay, I don't know.

(01:09:04):
I feel like she needs to stayhalf day, half vampire, unless
the fates are going to intervene, which they don't want to
happen, because, like she needsto be the thing that's different
, right?
So I think that she wouldchoose to stay half and half.
If she had them, I don't feellike she would have the ability

(01:09:26):
to be different, but I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Now she's probably going to live substantially
longer, I would assume, becausethat's the whole point and
that's what they talked about alot in the book is how short her
lifespan was.
I mean, that's the whole pointof the nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Kind of Well, that's also very common Oop is like the
human turning Faye.
Okay of, well, that's also verycommon is like the human
turning fey.
Okay, and that was anothercomplaint the human turns into a
fan.
Like then stop reading thesebooks if you know what you
signed up for.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Like it's like tropes and romance.
Like if you don't like thetropes, then why like, if you
don't like any tropes, thendon't take a break.
Take a break from romance andcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah it's human to fay.
They didn't, they didn't.
You know, mates, um what else?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
enemies to lovers touch her and die uh treat her
like garbage for a second, untilyou don't no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I would argue that this book is.
He loved her the whole time.
I mean, I see where you'regetting that, but Because he
knew who she was and he lovedher so much that he knew that to
be with him would like destroyher life, and he didn't want
that for her, and so I would.
He was purposely making himselfa jerk yeah.

(01:10:41):
Just in a jerky way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
No, I could see where you're getting that.
I just I really don't like.
So.
I mean, I like him way betternow, but I still am kind of like
I'm just a little bit miffedfor her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Like I said, I'm more upset than she is, so I don't
know it's fun yeah, it's fun tonot like somebody, but then like
them exactly, and you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
she's fine with it.
It's not like she came into itwith like I love him so much and
I just want him to love me.
That was not at all how sheacted.
So I did appreciate that shewasn't like naive about it.
Like I feel like sometimes infantasy they're kind of naive
and I'm like, okay, you're doingall this great stuff.
There's no way that you canactually think that way.
So at least she did not at alleven kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I watched.
I watched this really funnyvideo the other day on Instagram
and it was this girl and shewas like talking about three
things that we need to have inbooks, and one of them was an
FMC that is not 18 to 25 yearsold.
Like you need to get us above25 because she's like I know
y'all are picking this agebecause they're stupid and

(01:11:45):
they're gonna make stupiddecisions and you can like use
it as an excuse for them makingthese stupid decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
like that's a good point that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I was like, yes, please, but I actually loved her
character.
Like I felt a lot of timescharacters like hers annoy me
because I feel like they'rebeing stubborn and hardheaded
and they don't and they won'tlisten to anybody and they're
whiny and they complain.
And I felt like she was juststrong and true to who she was

(01:12:17):
and like she wasn't going totake any of his you know junk.
Like she wasn't going to takeany of his you know junk.
And so I liked that she likestood up for herself and stuck
to her guns, you know.
I felt like she was just reallystrong and like she just never
really got on my nerves, whichwas kind of refreshing, cause
like even in the Iron Flame,violet drives me up the wall oh

(01:12:44):
my gosh, she's so annoying.
So like I just think that hercharacter was just written
really well because I feel likeshe just made it very evident
her reasoning in like a nonwhiny way.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Yeah, sarah says like prickly, but for a reason.
She's not just like.
She didn't just pop into thebook prickly for no apparent
reason, like there.
There's a reason behindeverything that she thinks and
does and she just doesn't letanyone get the better of her.
Yeah, she, I did not getannoyed with her at all.
Like I said, it was mainly justfor a while.
So, yeah, it was just fisherbut did you know about the king

(01:13:21):
fisherisher bird.
No, no, no, the Kingfisher is abird, I heard a little bit about
this, but I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
And it's really interesting because there's a
lot of interesting things aboutthe Kingfisher, because I
thought that was such a weirdname.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I was like, wow, why?
And they were just shorteningit to Fisher.
But that makes sense, that hewas inspired by that.
That makes a lot more sense.
Oh, I was gonna say that Iwonder, like I kind of wonder
now if, um, if saris looks anydifferent, because you know, the
whole point was that, like, feyare supposed to be beautiful,
it said it didn't, it hadpointed ears yeah, but like

(01:14:03):
other than just the teeth andthe ears.
Is there attributes to her facethat changed?
Did anything like smooth out orwhatever to make it more?
I don't know, to make her morelike classic fey?
Because didn't they referencehow human she was?
Like a lot or I may be thinkingof a different book, but I mean

(01:14:23):
they don't.
They tend to do that in a lotof romanticies, like if they're
human, they're constantlytalking about how they're human
and not okay here's somedifferent things so the
kingfisher is said to carry awaythe spirits of the dead.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
A human thief was turned into a kingfisher as
punishment.
The kingfisher symbolizes peaceand prosperity.
The kingfisher can symbolizefertility.
The kingfisher symbolizes peaceand prosperity.
The Kingfisher can symbolizefertility.
The Kingfisher represents newwarmth, abundance, love and
prosperity.
The Kingfisher is seen as aspirit guide that can help
improve intuition.
The Kingfisher is named afterAlcyon, one of two lovers who

(01:15:00):
were resurrected as Kingfisherbirds.
That is very much telling, andthey both have the birds.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
I was going to say but did they say what kind of
bird the tattoo was?
So is it a Kingfisher bird?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Anyway, I think I want to say hers said that it
looks kind of like a hummingbird.
I want to say and it does.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, it does Okay.
So maybe that's where they'retying it in, like I could see
the one over her heart being akingfisher bird.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
But I still want to know like it's like, okay, sure,
that's like him, but like why?
You know why is that there?
So anyway, I just think that'sreally neat.
Yeah, I love it.
Authors put thought into thenames that they choose for
things and stuff like that,especially, like, you know, osha
, and all that is just so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
So yeah, I agree.
Well, those are our thoughts onQuicksilver, and who knows
which book we'll talk about next.
We don't even know, we wehaven't picked it yet.
That's it for today.
Thanks for listening to, whereI Left Off a bookish podcast.
It's just, he's so patronizing,he's so rude, yet just I want to
punch him in the face, justlike she did.

(01:16:15):
It is just so over the top andI don't know how Kelly Hart is
going to get me to change mymind.
And like this dude, he's theworst.
I mean, I really don't think hehas a soft spot for anyone,
much less her.
It's just annoying.
I don't know, I do not likeFisher right now.

(01:16:35):
Like I thought that he wasgonna be great, but he's kind of
making like Kai Azur and um,aaron Warner look like little
kittens, and maybe this is why Ishould just stick to YA fantasy
.
We'll see if this gets anybetter, but I'm a little bit on
the fence right now.
I thought I liked it, but now Idon't know.

(01:16:57):
Here's part two of my randomthoughts of Quicksilver.
So reasons I don't like Fisherright now A he let the fox just
bite her and I know he said likewell, you just have to live
with your own consequences orwhatever.
But like at any point when thefox still had his teeth clamped

(01:17:17):
down on her, you seriouslyweren't gonna help her out.
Like why, why, and then didn'tdo anything.
When she's just literallybleeding all over the place,
like, okay, that makes sense, no, that does not make sense.
Oh yeah, I mean starting withthe quicksilver when it could
have killed her.
That sucked, um, and just likethe crude way that he talks.

(01:17:39):
It would be fine if he had anydecorum, but like he doesn't.
He just really doesn't.
Um, I don't know, it's justsomething like it's just the
patronizing and the treating herlike she's a stupid idiot.
I think that's the deal.
Like it's just, yeah, the idiotthing.

(01:18:01):
That's what irks me.
And it's okay if at first he'slike, okay, you're slow, you're
not getting it quick enough, buthe really hasn't stopped.
It's like all of it puttogether.
Like it was kind of cutewhenever she punched him in the
face and he said something likebad human, like that at least
was semi-cute.
But everything else, like justconstantly mocking her, I don't

(01:18:25):
know, it's getting old, it'sgetting really old.

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