Jerez de la Frontera, Spain with Lyle and Leanne

We’re so excited to have Lyle and Leanne back from the Beach Travel Wine Podcast to dive into it all with us! Their stories and laughs always make the journey even better.

This time, we’re stepping into the “cathedrals of wine” at Lustau, chasing legends at Tío Pepe, and getting into the nitty-gritty of how sherry is made—humidity, flor, patience—and why it smells like caramel dreams. The Royal Andalusian School’s dancing horses bring the drama, but it’s the tabancos that steal the show: guitar, singing, clapping, and a dancer who pulls everyone into the moment. No velvet ropes—just locals, clinking glasses, and “Olé!”

Getting around is easy and budget-friendly. Fast trains link Sevilla, Jerez, and Cádiz, making day trips to castles, beaches, and white villages like Arcos de la Frontera and Grazalema a breeze. And when English tours are hard to find, the VoiceMap app turns your phone into a local guide with GPS-triggered stories you can pause for coffee and keep forever.

We’ve got tips on when to go (May–June or September are magic), how to handle siesta time, late-night dinners, cards vs. cash, and what to order—chicharrones, jamón, albóndigas—and why Andalusian plazas at night feel straight out of a movie.

If you’re chasing the real Spain—flamenco up close, sherry from the source, trains instead of traffic, and streets where tradition still lives—this is the place for you. 

To see pictures from Spain and hear about more adventures of Leanne and Lyle, visit their website:

https://www.beachtravelwine.com/podcast

Tour app mentioned: https://voicemap.me/

Map of Jerez de la Frontera

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_05 (00:15):
Hi, welcome to our podcast, Where Next.
Travel with Kristen and Carol.
I am Kristen.
And I am Carol.
And we're two long-term friendswith a passion for travel and
adventure.

SPEAKER_06 (00:27):
Each episode, we interview people around the
globe to help us decide where togo next.
Well, welcome back, uh Leanneand Lyle to the Where Next
podcast.
And we are big fans of BeachTravel Wine podcast.
I was listening to some of yourepisodes about your passion for
Spain and a town called Heraf dela Frontiera.

(00:51):
So we're excited to learn moreabout that, what you loved about
it.
And then of course, everyonewill have the links to uh the
Beach Travel Wine podcast in theshow notes.
So you can go and hop on overthere to find probably hundreds
of podcasts you have right nowfor your travels.
This is so great.
And you guys started around theduring the COVID your podcast.

(01:13):
I think May May 21, I think itwas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Yeah.
Well, thanks for having us back.
And yes, you are right.
We do love to say.
And where are you right now?
We're at home now.
At in uh the Sunshine Coast inQueensland.
So we're looking out the windowat the Pacific Ocean, and it's
the humpback whale migration.
So they're traveling past andjumping out with their calves.
So it's a pretty special time tobe uh in Queensland, Australia.

SPEAKER_06 (01:36):
Oh, that's interesting.
That's like um Maui that happensin like February, March, but I
think in the northernhemisphere, December to March.
And then uh so you guys are downunder, so it's like opposite as
well, which makes sense.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you guys must really likewarm weather, huh?
Because that's where you live,and then you've travel you have

(01:57):
vacation in Spain.
Yeah, that's true.
We yeah, but we we don't mind uhcold weather if we can go
skiing.
What I think would be veryinteresting is from Sevilla you
had mentioned that you cantravel.
So maybe we can first talk abouthow awesome going to Sevilla is,
if that's how you pronounce it.
Some people see Seville,Seville, Spain.

SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
We've been to Seville or Sevilla.
Um Seville's how we say it.
Sevilla is what they call it inSpain.
And we've been there there threetimes.
And interestingly, our firsttime we weren't that impressed,
but you know, we we were we'dprobably been out the night
before and it was really hot andwe were just there for one
night.
But um every time we go there,we just fall more in in love

(02:40):
with Seville.

SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
So you're saying we had a hangout.
That's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 (02:44):
Can't blame Seville for that.

SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Well, maybe however, since then we've been back a
couple of times and we've justfallen in love with it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:52):
And it's in a really great spot.
It's a real it's a transport huband there's a fast train,
they've got air, you know, anairport, and it's linked to you
know all the major areas in thatAndalusia region.
So it's a it's a really greatspot to to stay and and explore.
And it's it's got um, you know,the m the big things that people

(03:13):
go.
They call it the the trianglewhere where you go between the
the Sevilla Cathedral with itsum watchtower, and then you've
got the Alcazar, which is one ofthe best you've seen, and
they've filmed a um some of theGame of Thrones there in the
garden area.
And then our favourite is thePlaza de España, which was built

(03:34):
in the early 1900s for theSpain, Spanish Expo, and it's
just this amazing uh semicircleof tiled um little porticos, and
each area of Spain isrepresented there, and it's just
with the beautiful uh intricatetiles and little bridges, and
it's it's it's just beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
It's stunning, yeah, stunning, and even more stunning
at night.

SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
What do you call that that that specific area
within Sabelle?
Well, it's uh Plaza or Plaza, asthey say, Plaza de Espana, so
Plaza of Spain.
Oh, okay, España, okay, got it.
And and right adjacent to thereis a beautiful park, the Maria
Luisa Park.
And you can wander throughthere.

(04:20):
There's a pond and waterfountains and you know, ducks on
the pond, and it's just yeah,lots of areas to to wander in
there.
And this isn't far from the mainarea, so it's it's it's easier
to to walk there as well.

SPEAKER_01 (04:34):
Actually, this last time that we were there,
actually uh we couldn't ba wellwe could see it and go through
it, but it was a little bitrestricted because they had a
Justin Timberlake concertsetting up.

SPEAKER_06 (04:47):
Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you familiar with him?
Like just since he's anAmerican.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Oh yeah.
I don't know.
We haven't seen him live, butokay.

SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
But in the um just a quick hint there though, if
you're gonna go to Plata deEspaña, they every day they do a
free flamenco show and it's andit's really really good, don't
they?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:07):
Oh, okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
Every thing we did and yeah, and another thing we
did this time was uh Leanne gota b birthday present, which was
a flamenco dance lesson, and wedid that in Seville.

SPEAKER_06 (05:20):
Did you get involved with that dance lesson too?

SPEAKER_01 (05:22):
I certainly did.
I even got dressed up.
But I was I was told that I hadto behave myself because it was
Leanne's birthday present.

SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
I wasn't sure why she said I had to behave like
Log tends to laugh at everybodyand everything.

SPEAKER_00 (05:36):
Anyway, this particular so we walk in and
there's all these ladies there,and I'm thinking, oh no, I'm the
only guy.

SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
And uh anyway, the ladies walked out, and then a
family with two gentlemen walkedin, and I thought, thank God.
Anyway, I have absolutely norhythm whatsoever, but I could
in the dance studio, you havethe mirror in front of you, and
I could see these two gentlemen,American gentlemen, Dan and
Dave.
They were father and son.
Yeah, Dave was the father, andDan was the son.

(06:06):
They were that bad they made melook good.
So I was very happy they werethere.
Again, look what's good.
I I honestly I was one of myfavourite parts of the trip to
Spain.
This it was really, really good.

SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Lyle said she's dragged me along because it's
her birthday present.
You know, why are you here?
And and Dave, the dad, said uhwe watched Rick Steves, you
know.

SPEAKER_01 (06:30):
So that was good.

SPEAKER_02 (06:32):
Yeah, but uh the Seville also has like a lovely
little um main sort of tapasarea called Santa Cruz, and
that's right there in the oldtown, and right basically starts
right at the cathedral there,and it's got lots of little
tapas bars.
It's got some really oldoriginal ones with the wooden
chairs and the wooden bars, andand then it's got some really

(06:53):
upmarket ones as well.
We found a few, and you justthey're all on the same street,
you know, and you wander, youcan just go into any of them.
Then they've got another sort oftraditional one, which is I
think it's called the Cafe ofthe Cathedral, and it's right,
all the big bull heads on the onthe wall, um, because they're
still into all that traditionalum stuff, you know.
And but it's it's just a veryatmospheric through through that

(07:16):
area.
Um, it's also got some abeautiful shopping area, and
they've got a lot of thetraditional shops still, you
know, like the hat makers anduh, you know, uh just a tiny
little shop with uh the wallsjust covered in these beautiful
sombreros that they make and umand all the shops that sell the
flamenco and the the farrierdresses, you know, so the

(07:39):
beautiful long dresses and thethey've got the fabrics there,
and then they've got all thehead wear and it's just just
stunning walking on this street.
And that what's someone calledCalais Sierpes?
So Calais Sierpes.
Yeah, so it's it's and that'sjust wandering around the from
the main area in in Seville andand it's just yeah, be where you

(08:00):
can make your own um Spanishshoes, you know, you can go in
and they'll get the theespadrills, they'll get the base
for you, and you can pick thecolor and you know, like it's
it's just really yeah, it ityeah, it's it's pretty much two
belts.

SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
And again at night it's fabulous.

SPEAKER_06 (08:15):
The wine?

SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
And again at night, it's fabulous.

SPEAKER_06 (08:18):
Oh, the night at night.
Okay.
Just everything that's going on.
Uh do you normally like do youlike dancing in general, Leanne?
Do you uh do you gravitate totrying to find dance options in
different countries or towns?

SPEAKER_02 (08:30):
Um I we we did some salsa lessons and that's a bit
of fun.
Um Lyle and I have verydifferent learning styles, so it
can be challenging.
And that's all I'm gonna say onthe matter.

SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
Luckily I'm not sensitive.

unknown (08:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (08:46):
With how much you travel and spend time together,
yeah.
You probably learn to like notbe too sensitive about stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And this time in Seville, we'vewe found a couple of places that
uh are off the main sort oftourist area.
And one of those is called Casade Platos, and that's a 15th
century palace that not manypeople know about.
It's probably about a akilometre walk from the the main
area, but it's it's just like asmaller version of the Alcazar.

(09:16):
So, you know, it was set up as aas a palace and it's got uh lots
of the Moorish sort ofarchitecture and a beautiful
little garden with the waterfeatures and things.
Um, and so that was yeah, thatwas beautiful, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_07 (09:29):
Um and the other thing we went to this time,
which is actually Casa de andthen Pelatos.

SPEAKER_01 (09:36):
Pelados, it's spelled uh let me see,
P-I-L-A-T-O-S.

SPEAKER_02 (09:44):
Okay.
Thank you.
Thanks, Miles.
Yes again.
Um and then of course themushroom or the metropol
parasol, which is it's notreally a secret, but a lot, it's
off the um just out of the mainarea, but it's like this great
big wooden mushroom structure.
And uh once again, like mostthings in Seville, it's much

(10:06):
more impressive at night.
It lights up and you canactually walk across the the top
of it if you're unlike me andnot scared of heights.
And there are bars around aswell, like hotels with rooftop
bars, so you can actually viewit from um you know from from
there if you and you can walkaround underneath.
It's uh yeah, that's prettyspectacular.

SPEAKER_06 (10:27):
And since no, I would say you guys are probably
slow travelers, you'd go for,you know, an extended period of
time.
Where do you just stay week byweek in these different places?
Or how do you book your travel?
Well new hotels or it's hard,yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:41):
I sort of I I don't know if we are we are slow
travelers, but we more do youknow what I think we're more
curious travelers.
We like to go somewhere andreally get to know it.
And we would rather have a dayof nothing to do but just
explore than to be rushed andhave to see all the big things.

(11:03):
Having said that, if we go to asmall town where we, you know,
we don't like to travel morethan about three hours.
If if we go to a small town andthere's not a lot there, we
might just stay one or twonights because it's a it's a
good little spot and we just seethe main stuff.
But in general, yes, we we wouldlike to stay a week and and then
do some day trips and justexplore the area for sure.

(11:24):
That that suits our our way oftraveling.

SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
For instance, actually we're in Hareth, uh, we
actually stayed two weeks.

SPEAKER_06 (11:32):
Wow, and that's a pretty small town, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, so that's a great segue toreally focusing on like what
inspired you to go to Harat tobegin with.

SPEAKER_02 (11:43):
Can you see this painting behind us?

SPEAKER_06 (11:45):
Yes, that's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
It kind of looks a little like well that's actually
all about us.
And our friend uh Steve, wholives here, he's he's an artist
and he does that sort of stuffon buildings and things, but he
did that for us.
And he and his wife, she's aflamenco dancer, they spend um
every year when they go toSpain, they go to Hereth and
they've built up a a hugecommunity of friends and and

(12:10):
they've hit they've a lot of thebars have actually got some of
his paintings there.
And so they've insp theyinspired us to go and uh because
of their love for it.
And so we just thought, well,let's go and do that.
And we we booked an apartmentthat was quite large and had a
rooftop pool.
So, you know, once again, if youdon't want to do anything, you
can just sit by the pool, right?

(12:30):
Um, and so we went there just toexplore all the places and the
bars and the people they've toldus about.
And it yeah, it just is the mostSpanish city you can go to.
And it you we didn't see oneumbrella being, you know,
followed round by people, youknow, like tour groups, or we
didn't see any of that.

(12:50):
The only time we saw groups oftourists was when we went to the
the equestrian standard, whichis the Royal Andalusian uh
school of uh uh for horses.
You know, they they've beenbreeding them there for
centuries and they train themand they do a show and they
there's buses come in uh fromaround pr from places like
Seville and Cadiz.
You know, they they come there,but um, and then they just all

(13:13):
hop on their bus and and go.
But it wasn't we there was stillplenty of seats and uh so yeah,
so we were just um we just lovedit.

SPEAKER_07 (13:21):
So what were the horses called again?

SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
And of Andalusian.
Yeah.
They're an Andalusian breed.
They were uh yeah, by one of thekings.

SPEAKER_07 (13:30):
Do they have an extra um like the pasos?
Do they have an extra gate orsomething different about them?

SPEAKER_02 (13:37):
Um I'm not sure.
I think they're just uh theylook beautiful and they're
obviously easy to train becausethey they're doing, you know,
like the the proper the walkingand then they they jump and they
yeah, they're performance.

SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
They're probably more known as commonly known as
the Spanish dancing horses.

SPEAKER_06 (13:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (13:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (13:55):
Kristen is an equestrian, what do you call
yourself?
Because someone that loveshorses.

SPEAKER_07 (13:59):
Yeah, they I like horses.
Yeah, the We didn't love it.

SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
And and the the riders dress up in 18th century
costumes, and you know, it'sit's it's very, very atmospheric
and spectacular.
So that's uh one of the otherthings that Hareth is known for.

SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
Um and Hareth is basically known as the
birthplace of flamenco.
Oh, the flamenco is thetraditions uh are very, very
important.
They've also the it's the worldcapital for sherry, fortified
wine.

SPEAKER_03 (14:33):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
Um they've got um there's uh the badigas, which
are basically wineries forsherry, they're everywhere.
And they uh I mean we went andwe did a couple of sherry tours.

SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
There was one at uh Teo Pepe, which uh is uh the
most famous one in in Spain,really, and in Madrid and other
major cities and Seville.
Teo Pepe means Uncle Pepe.
Um, and so he has it's a manwith this big black hat on, so
that's sort of symbolic of ofTeo Pepe.

(15:07):
And so we went to there and didthe tour, and you know, even if
you don't like Sherry, it's thetour itself is amazing.
It's a little train, and thenyou go through the production
rooms, and they've got thesemassive barrels with um what
what's that the room where thecelebrities all sign it?

SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
Yeah, celebrity barrel room.

SPEAKER_02 (15:23):
Yeah, so anyone who's anyone signs the the
barrel, so there's F1 drivers,there's actors, there's
politicians, there's filmproducers, so that's pretty
spectacular.
And there's some funny littlestories.
You know, they've got a pictureof a mouse climbing up a ladder.

SPEAKER_04 (15:38):
A tiny ladder.

SPEAKER_02 (15:38):
Tiny ladder drinking sherry that you know someone
actually trained them the miceto do.
So there's this whole story uhabout that as well.
So they won't.
Oh, is this not AI generated?
Is it actually like a truemouse?
Yeah, no, it's no way no, it'stoo old for that.
Yep.
It's uh and then um it's alsogot the what they the prettiest
street in um Hareth, you know,so it's this grapevine,

(16:00):
beautiful lot, you know, hangingdown over the top of a
cobblestone street, and it'sjust it's a beautiful enclosure,
like a complex.
It's yeah, so it's it's lovely.
And then we did another one atum Lastale, and it is called the
Cathedrals of Wine, and wherethey hold where they have their

(16:21):
um badiga and their barrels,it's got a big vaulted ceiling,
it's like you're inside amassive cathedral, and there's
just rows, and you look down andthe sun's shining through, it
could almost be a stained glasswindow.
So it's they're just really niceto walk around and also learn
about the the history of ofSherry because that's a really a
big part of this area of Spain.

SPEAKER_07 (16:43):
Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
I'm looking it up, it looks really neat.
Um yeah, it's really cool.
Yeah, yeah.
And so yeah, it we we reallyenjoyed that.
I still don't drink a lot ofsherry, I have to say, but um
the smell of it, you it's soit's almost like caramel.
Yeah.
It's uh this it's very unique,and it's they keep the the rooms

(17:04):
at the right humidity and theright temperature, and that you
know, so it it's just uh yeah,it's nothing like you've you've
been to before.
That they're really special.

SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
And following on from the sherry, the badigas,
and how important it is, you thethe actual bars within the town
are called tabancos, and thesetobancos are where they uh that
actually have the flamencoshows.
Now the difference betweenSeville and Jerez is you go to

(17:36):
the uh flamenco shows in Sevilleand a lot of tourists.
Whereas Jerez, there aretourists, but it's mainly
locals, it's a real thing.
And in the Tabancos, thedifference between them and a
normal bar is they sh they sellthe sherry and the vermith out
of the barrels behind the bar.

SPEAKER_02 (17:57):
Mmm, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 (17:59):
And there's a place called El Pasehe.

SPEAKER_02 (18:02):
El Pasahi, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah.
And that's the oldest Tabanco inuh Herez, and that was uh opened
in 1925, so it's a hundred yearsold this year, and it looks like
it's a hundred years old, butthey have the it's a it's only a
tiny bar, but you have theseflamenco shows, and the the
atmosphere, everything is justbrilliant.

(18:24):
Um one of Steve and Rhonda'sfriends, the guy that did the
painting, and he's quiet.
Her her name is uh Carmen, andshe's probably the most famous
flamenco dancer, maybe even inSpain.

SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
Um she runs the the flamenco dancing school there.

SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
Yeah, and um of course we met them, and of
course, we were treated likecelebrities and like everywhere
we went, everywhere there was aa painting of Steve's, we'd go
in and we'd introduce ourselves,and all of a sudden we had our
new best friends.

SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
So back to the little uh bars that we're
talking about.
So you can book a little tableand they're tiny, you know, the
the stage that they perform onis would only fit so every every
performance there's a guitaristand uh someone who does singing
and and clapping percussion andthen the dancer, and it's about
an hour, and they you can go toa flamenco show any basically

(19:17):
from two o'clock right throughto say ten o'clock at night.

SPEAKER_06 (19:21):
And so these tiny little bars were put on a
flamenco show.
I mean, there's not that manypeople really to watch.

SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, but it's not like a like a theatre show,
it's just like a a bar and thatand the locals all go and they
all know each other, they're allat the bar chatting, and then
they do the dancing and they'reall calling out Olay and Nasha,
you know, they're doing they'rethey're participating, they know
what's going on.
And then, you know, after theshow, you know, the dancer they

(19:48):
come and chat and they'rethey're all sort of a it's it's
just like a the their life, it'swhat they do, you know.
It's um okay and you can book alittle table and they you can
you know have some drinks andthey bring you some tapas, you
know, and that we did that aswell.
So you're right up the front andyou know, you you're literally
half a meter, like 50centimeters, which I don't know,
like say two feet away from fromthe stage, and so you you can

(20:11):
see everything and hear everylike it's it's very atmospheric
and it's it's not like you'resitting watching a a show with
everyone else.
It's all you're part of theyou're you're part of it.
It's very dramatic.
It is very cool.
It's great.
Okay.
And there's yes, you can go toany, you know, they they're all
over the and I just followedthem all on um on Instagram and

(20:31):
they every day they put up who'sthe dancer and who's the singer
and what time, and you know, soit's yeah, yeah.
Oh so every day you could justdo this and just go to do it.
Every day, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You could.

SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
Uh and the food, following on from the sherry and
whatever, the food in Hareth,everywhere you go is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_06 (20:49):
Yeah.
And that's what I was gonna askwhat are what are the toppers
like meatballs or little salmonor cheese or anything that you
really like?
All those.
Yeah, all those all those andmore.

SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
They're probably the most famous.
There's a couple of thingsthey're famous for in in Heref.
Um, not just Heref, but otherplaces.
And my favourite is what theycall chicharonis.
And anywhere they go, I trythat, which is basically deep
fried pork belly, which soundsdisgusting, but it's just
divine.
It's divine.
Chicharronese um ham or hamon,which is, you know, all over the

(21:25):
this part of Spain is just very,very famous.
And and um they have a lot ofpatte and and um well, yeah,
meatballs, all that, all thatsort of tapa stuff.
Um the other thing that they'revery well known for is their
churros, which is um I thinkmost people have heard of them,
you know, like the uh deepfried, a bit like a donut but

(21:48):
long hairs.
So they there's one little placein in Jerez right next to the
the food market, the micado, andit's a little kiosk, and they
don't just sell one or you don'tjust buy one or two, you buy
them by the weight.
So you have like um, I'm notlet's say a pound or half a
pound of churros, you know, soyou buy them, and then from

(22:09):
there, literally 20 meters awayor 60 feet away, there's a
little cafe where you go and getyour coffee and then your big
jar of hot chocolate.
And then all the locals aresitting there with their churros
and they're dunking them in thehot chocolate and they're
drinking their cafe con leche.
And um, and once again, that'sjust locals, and they do that

(22:30):
every morning, you know, likethere's just line up, they just
line up early and get thosechurros.
And that does smell divine aswell.

SPEAKER_07 (22:37):
Right.
It's like the donut stuff,right?
It's like the fried stick kindof thing with cinnamon and
sugar.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (22:46):
So I always thought it was like more Mexican, but of
course, I'm sure some of theSpanish or the Mexican food
originated in Spain, so or maybechurros can be the other way
around.

SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Right.
Vice versa.
But that that's very, verypopular there um in in Herez,
isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So um it's very affordable too.
Um, and we we only knowAustralian dollars, but where we
were staying, and I think theeuro is pretty well the same as
um American dollars.
So for us, it was where westayed was$100 a night, which is

(23:18):
probably only around$60 USdollars.
So, and it was a beautifulapartment and cod and kitchen
and everything, rooftop pool.
So, you know, that's it's it isvery very affordable and it's
and it's really walkable, easy.
And the other thing, Hereth hasthis lovely train station, it's
it's covered in these beautifulblue and white tiles.

(23:41):
It's uh people like if you'rejust going through, it's it's
what you know, but people lovelooking at the train station.
But you can take the train, youknow, to Seville if you want to
base yourself in Hareth, you cango to Seville or you can go the
other way, which is down to thecoast, to a place called Cadiff,
and that's spelled with a Z atthe end, but you know, TH sound.
Uh you know, it's probablyseveral other little places

(24:02):
along the way, and we we went toa couple of those as well.
Uh so you know, because we don'tdrive over there because
obviously we drive on the otherside of the road in Australia,
and that's just way tooconfusing for us.
But if you do buyer a car, Heretde la frontera means of the the
front of the border, right?

SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Yeah, it was the it was the line between where the
Muslims controlled and the otherside was where the Christians
controlled back in the 1400s.
That's what the Delaware.

SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
Yeah, okay, okay.
And there's uh quite a few ofthose around Heref.
And so if you want to do someday trips, one of the most
famous ones is called Arcos dela Frontera, which is a hillside
town full of white, it's alljust white houses and

(24:51):
spectacular views.
Uh we actually did a day trip,so we hopped on on a bus and and
went to some other littleplaces, and we were stunned by
the mountains and how green theywere, and and it was it was lush
and beautiful and and the views,so yeah, it's worth doing a
couple of day trips.
So you did the day trips fromHaraph.

SPEAKER_06 (25:10):
Okay.
And what was the one that withthe White Houses?
Arcos, you said?
Arcos?

SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
A-R-C-O-S, Arcos de la Frontera.
Okay, Arcos.
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (25:19):
And there was another town, my favorite town
was called Grassel Lema.
Grasselle Lema, and it was justin the middle of nowhere, this
beautiful white village, and itwas stunning, wasn't it?
And it was probably the highestpoint of the the the mountain.
And then it's it this is all inNational Park as well.

(25:41):
So it's just stunning.
And it's probably it's uh what,be lucky to be an hour from
Haret.

SPEAKER_03 (25:49):
That's true.

SPEAKER_07 (25:50):
How do you spell it?
We're speaking to Le GraselG-R-E-S-L-E?

SPEAKER_01 (25:54):
Uh uh uh G-R-A-Z-A-L-E-M-A.
The only reason I know that isbecause we're actually working
on the podcast for this area.

SPEAKER_02 (26:06):
We were talking to a couple, they were from Germany,
and they have a house in Herefand we're at we're at one of the
a nice restaurant there, andsomeone said, Well, why would
why Heref?
And he said, It's goteverything.
It's 30 minutes from the beach,it's cheap, it's got all the
Spanish culture, you know, it'sso easy to get round, and we

(26:28):
just we love it here.
And I and a lot of the localsfeel like they live at the
beach, even though they are 30minutes away, because it's just
a really quick, easy drive oreasy train trip, and you're
you're you're at the beach, andthere's so many little different
beaches along between here andand down the bottom where Cadith
is as well.
So lots of little places thatare easy to get to if you have a

(26:49):
car and uh not no no tourists atall.
So it's where all the locals go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (26:54):
Okay.
30 minutes from the beach.
And so you took a train fromSeville, right, to Jerez?
Yeah.
And then if you wanted to go tothe beach, would there would you
have to take a bus or is there atrain that goes all the way to
the beach?

SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
No, it's a train.

SPEAKER_06 (27:08):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (27:09):
Um bus and train.

SPEAKER_02 (27:10):
Yeah, but trains are so easy.
It's a it's a really uh bigtrain station at Hereath.
Well, not it's not huge, butthere's two or three lines, so
there's trains going either way.
Um so you could easy you couldactually hop on a train in
Seville and go through Jerezdown to Cadith as well.
It's a fast train, so you'rethere in probably less than an
hour, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
Um and Cadith is a highlight in itself.
Cadith's beautiful too.

SPEAKER_07 (27:34):
It's a whole other podcast, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
That's great.
It's funny, the picture I'mlooking at, it almost looks like
the Rockies.
It look uh the Graz umGrazalemna.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
Grazilemma, yeah.
Grazilemma.

SPEAKER_02 (27:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a beautiful little spot, isn't it?
It looks like older.
Looks like it looks like where Ilive.

SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
Oh, okay.
Well it doesn't look like you'relucky then.

SPEAKER_02 (27:59):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't look lucky.
Uh one of the things uh that wediscovered when we were in
Hareth, because we love to dowalking tours.
And um to be honest, there wasliterally zero English-speaking
walking tours that we couldfind.
Um, there were some people thatcame, like they started in

(28:20):
Seville and came, you know, forfor a visit to Hareth and Cadith
and then back to Seville.
But we just wanted, we like todo a like a walking tour to get
to know the history and thearea.
And so we discovered a um,there's another podcast, travel
podcast that I listened to, andthey talked often about this,
the voice map app, which is afree app that you download.

(28:42):
I don't know if you girls haveheard about that.
So the voice map app, it's freeto download on your phone, and
then you can just search whereyou are, and it has walking
tours for sale, so you canactually download them to your
phone, right?
For us it was 16 Australiandollars, so probably, you know,
less than 10 US dollars.
And it was like a 90-minutetour, and a local person has

(29:05):
done it, they've walked around,and so it works on the GPS, so
it tells you where to start.
And so we start at the marketand it gives you all the
information, then it says, youknow, go on to the next spot.
So you look at the map on yourphone, you see where you're
going, and it it follows you, itsays you've got 90 meters to go,
or whatever you know thedistance is.
And as soon as you get to thenext area, it just the the

(29:25):
narration comes back on andtells you all about it.
And yeah, it's fast, it's it'sreally fabulous.

SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
Like it's really, really good.

SPEAKER_02 (29:32):
Yeah.
So I we were we just love that.
We so once we did this tour, Iactually contacted the the guy
who did this particular becauseevery it's all different people.
So I contacted this guy and justtold him how much I liked it.
And then we did some others whenwe're in in there as well,
because sometimes you only havea day and you don't the tour's
not going to be when you're wwanting it.

SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
Um it's in there's no English one.
Yeah, no English speaking.

SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
And and and you can just pause it.
Like we just paused it, went andhad a coffee, and then we come
back and then we we we wentagain so really brilliant and I
think there's over two thousanddifferent ones now so really
really good and then you've gotlifetime access to them.
You say you know like so we justput in a like a little earphone
each and off we wandered and I'mI'm sort of listening and taking

(30:16):
photos and Lyles you knowwriting down his history notes.
It it was it was brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
Yeah really really good and the next one we did was
in San Sebastian.
No Segovia and Sebastian ohSegovia Segovia and each one was
as good as each other.
The quality of them is fantasticand I'm a real history nerd and
yeah it's I was certainly veryhappy with it.

SPEAKER_06 (30:39):
Yeah so it wasn't just like oh here's that
building but no that buildingwas so and so like history.

SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
No it's like doing an actual well I guess every
tour's different every person'sdifferent but you know we did
one that was like a more of afood tour in one place that got
walk didn't actually go into theplaces but this is where you can
have this and this is where youcan have that.
But yeah so I guess it dependson the quality of the the person
doing it but most of them youknow like we we got all our
information from about the oneof the plazas we went to you

(31:07):
know tells stories about the bigcolumn in the middle and how the
local mayor climbed up it andyou know like or just just some
really stuff that you would notknow.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:15):
And at the same time as you're going through they're
recommending cafes, restaurants,bars.

SPEAKER_07 (31:23):
That's how they pay for it maybe just uh or they
well they get paid I guess likesay they get say it's sixteen
dollars for us.

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
I mean obviously the voice map people probably get
you know 10% and whatever tourthey sell.
It's not it wouldn't be a bigmoney maker for them.
No some of them have then runprivate tours like uh this guy
didn't but some people like youif you like this tour you know
I'll do it you can contact meand I can do a private tour.
So I can guess it that's true.
It's a bit of a um you know itcan be if you like a sales sing

(31:54):
if you've got more if you're atour guide.
But this guy just does itbecause he he really enjoys it.
He has a I think he has awebsite with that he does so he
sends people to that I guess.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (32:04):
Oh and also I'm thinking then you said then you
get to keep it so then when youcome back you're like oh what
was the name of that buildingthat was such a you like message
over again.
That's so neat.

SPEAKER_02 (32:12):
Yeah yeah yeah that we we really really like that so
yeah next time we go back toSpain we'd we're we'll
definitely go back to this thisarea because it's just so
Spanish you know it it's it youknow the the there's just shops
selling all the flamenco clothesyou know like you walk in and
they've got the shawls and thethe hair pieces and the long

(32:34):
dresses and then and the shoesit's just and the big earrings
it's just stunning.

SPEAKER_01 (32:39):
And when while we were there that's the other
thing we noticed about thelocals too while we were there
it was pretty warm.
But uh we because we were therefor two weekends there was a lot
of weddings um and we could notbelieve how well dressed the
ladies and the guys were this is40 degree heat the guys have got

(33:01):
three piece suits on their shoeswere like mirrors like it and it
was everybody.
So there's the very very what'sthe word I suppose cultured I
suppose I don't know very welldressed and the girls look
stunning.

SPEAKER_02 (33:16):
Yeah just like beautiful you know um in fact we
purposely go down to ourfavourite breakfast cafe right
near the church you know on onFriday and Saturday mornings and
just to just to watch the thepeople walking past to go and
off to weddings didn't we freefashion show huh?

SPEAKER_06 (33:34):
Yeah in Australia we're a bit casual you know yeah
you put your best jeans onreally lucky that they're on the
pants yeah yeah my friend wastelling me she's a flight
attendant and when she and thislike 20 years ago when the first
time she ever went to the Southin the US like Charleston or

(33:54):
something she's like I got offand like everyone really wears a
lot of makeup and really goes totown like that's just the
southern flair in the UnitedStates.
And she's like where is there awedding going on and I was like
no this is just how they dressoh that's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (34:08):
Really flashing it's nice because you walk around the
there's you know obviously we'retalking about shopping but just
the lovely fashion stuff thatyou can you can buy you know in
Spain which we don't we we don'tget here you know we don't get
exposed to it I love coming homepeople say oh I like your you
know like I'm like yeah I gotthat in Spain nice that's
beautiful what when do you thinkit's the best time to go I think

(34:30):
we were there in uh early Juneum so that I wouldn't go any
later than that so yeah soprobably May to early June um
and I well I imagine we've beenin Spain in September and it's
quite nice as well but I'd avoidthe obviously July August if

(34:52):
possible just because it's it'sinland a bit so you don't get
any of the cooling you knowocean breezes and things.

SPEAKER_06 (34:58):
So what about like more in the cooler?
Do you think it gets pretty coldthere?
Do they get uh it looks prettyfar south.

SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
Yeah well I don't think it gets too cold like
anywhere sort of I guess inlandthat doesn't have protection the
temperatures would drop atnight.
Um I imagine yeah like wintertime and it's it's probably
fine.
In fact um you know our artistfriend Steve they they often go
in in the colder months yeahFebruary January February yeah

(35:27):
okay yeah and uh they've thenthey'll they've sent us photos
when they've been in in Sevilleat that time too and it's just
and even Cadith and Herefthere's just nobody around so
even less people.
Oh okay very nice yeah if youlike walking then it's you know
it's a great city definitely toto walk around and you know if

(35:50):
you're gonna do little trainhopping from Heref down like the
what was the little town that wewent to uh with the castle.
Oh Puerto There's Santa Mariaand that's another another
little town not maybe 20 minutesbar uh train ride and there's a
big castle there but lot youknow you can walk and beautiful
beaches.
Yeah just yeah it's yeah greatgreat spot for exploring like

(36:13):
that and that's you know whenyou said before you know we're
slow travellers you know like Ithink yeah I think more yeah
curious travelers would be usand and just just yeah just go
on and explore what what you canyeah just take your time and
explore.

SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
And that can the countryside just outside of
Herez obviously because of thethe grape growing for the sherry
um that's just glorious the thecountryside is green large
scenic as well absolutelybeautiful um and you can fly the
Heref has its own airport.

SPEAKER_02 (36:46):
We left the funny story we left Heref uh to fly to
meet some friends in Mallorca sowe went to I found uh the when
we could do a direct flight sowe flew out of her Hereth and we
hopped into a taxi um at anapartment and we were sort of
maybe five minutes into the tripand and the guy says because we

(37:07):
speak a bit of Spanish and hespoke a little bit of English so
he was telling us that his it'shis shift was ending and he was
swapping over with someone elseso we've basically gone into the
middle of suburbia and he'shopped out another guy's hopped
in and then we turn around andheaded back to the airport.
They didn't turn the meter offso I don't know like w whether
we paid more or not I have noidea.

(37:29):
So we get to the airport ourflights at maybe 5 pm I think
and we get to the airport maybe4 or 3 30 I wouldn't be 4.
I'd give myself a couple hoursthat's me and there's basically
three flights all day out ofthis airport.
So it is so quiet.
It is like so easy to tonavigate there's no lining up

(37:50):
you just you know you're justbasically through I've never
been to a an airport so quietbut it does bring in
international um flights as welluh so and then so and then you
go from Hareth and you fly toMallorca a bit off to subject
here but Mallorca's one of thebusiest airports I've ever been
there's 22 you know luggagecarousels it's just insanely

(38:13):
busy.
So we're just chilled at Harethhaving a love then all of a
sudden hit Mallorca and we'relike whoa um but if you if you
can't fly into the the Harethairport Seville Airport isn't
that far away either so you knowMalaga.

SPEAKER_06 (38:26):
Yeah so there's you know lots of ways to get to this
area yeah okay oh my gosh I'venever heard of it before and so
I'm so excited it sounds great.
And then how are they did youget a chance to like talk to the
local people was that prettyeasy to do and are enough people
speak English to or are yougoing to practice your Spanish?

SPEAKER_02 (38:44):
Oh yes and no as I said because we do speak a
little bit of Spanish we it itwas good but there certainly are
English speakers.
Most people you ask if theyspeak English they say oh a
little bit but their little bitis actually pretty good.
Okay.
Yeah so I think they theybasically choose not to speak
English because there's you knowmost people are just Spanish
there.
So but you know the me you canget menus in English they ask

(39:07):
you you know at the biggerrestaurants do you know or once
again as Kristen said you canyou use your Google Translate on
the on the menus so we didn'thave any issues really um at at
all did we?

SPEAKER_01 (39:20):
No and a lot of the a lot of the locals though that
um they want to practice theirEnglish anyway.
Like you go into restaurants andI'll try and speak a bit of
Spanish and they all know thatI've got no idea.
So they'll talk back to me in inEnglish and I said um look I
want to practice my my Spanishand they say well we want to
practice our English and they'remuch better than me.

SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
They still have that uh siesta time too oh yeah it's
very big in this area what doesthat look like?
Describe what that is like interms of you know well if you
want to go to a shop or uh outto lunch or something you need
to do it before basically twoo'clock because between say two

(40:06):
and five two on five you won'tget in you won't get any shops
open.
It just they all just shut down.
Yep.
That's so great.
It is great.
So you you know we we certainlylearnt to um have our siestas
and and then you you basicallyyou won't get any cooked any
sort of cooked food.
You can get ollies and thingslike that but it to to actually

(40:29):
order food the earliest you'llget is eight o'clock and
earliest the earliest andhonestly you're probably nine or
ten you know so you're you'rejust out at at night and um but
that's one of the joys of Spainespecially this this uh area is
just walking around the plazasat night it's so safe you've got
that amazing midnight blue skythat the that's in the

(40:52):
Mediterranean area and the theylight all the buildings up you
know the historical buildings sothey've got this sort of And
they're mainly sandstonebuildings.
Yes golf and glow against thesky and then they've got all the
the lights around the plazas andpeople just sitting at the
tables you know having theirtheir sherry or their wine and
you can hear flamenco going inthe background the clapping and

(41:14):
stuff.
It's a pretty magical experiencefor sure.

SPEAKER_06 (41:18):
So once you took the train there then you you didn't
really need the vehicle you justcould walk everywhere or every
once in a while take a taxi wejust walked everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 (41:25):
Oh okay yeah that's how many people we got a taxi
from when we first arrived wegot a taxi from the train
station to our accommodationwith our with our luggage uh but
yeah after that we just we justwalked probably the furthest we
walked was out to the equestriancenter um but that was okay
because we discovered one of ourfavorite restaurants out there
for lunch yeah for lunch youknow you just sort of wander

(41:47):
along that that's the joy ofthis this sort of area and doing
this is just look at that thatlooks nice let's go and have a
look in there and we went to theuh Lyle likes to do laps he's a
swimmer so we went and found a aum a pool area and a sports
center and so he did some lapsand you know I got in the pool
and did some aquaobics and youknow like with it's um yeah it's

(42:09):
just and then you speak to thelocals they they didn't speak
much English they actuallydidn't know how to charge us
because it's like a weeklymembership so they're they're
just like oh you got they justlet us go in that they let you
in you know to be able to dothat.
Yeah yeah it's great everyone'spretty friendly and uh so
friendly yeah so we you get todo those sorts of things if

(42:30):
you're not just there for a aday you know and um well I think
that just adds to theexperience.
And we've you know a lot ofpeople talk about how many
countries they've been to wejust sort of think for us that
doesn't suit us.
Um we would just rather you knowlike go to one place and explore
that for a while you know likewe had we've had eight weeks in
Italy we've had you know I thinkwe've had five months in total

(42:52):
in Spain you know over our fivetrips so wow you know we've
we've spent a lot of time timethere and every time we go we go
back to some favourites we go tosome new places and this is
definitely one of our our go-tofavorite places because it just
is so Spanish yeah well thistime too this last time we to we
went to a place we've never beento and it's called uh Galicia

(43:14):
which is in northwestern uhSpain and so above Portugal it's
above Portugal no tourists yeahno tourists so it's green and
laughing and absolutely stackedwell it's where the uh the
Camino the finishes likeSantiago de Compostel is in
Galicia but so a lot of peoplehave been there but not you know

(43:36):
all the other places you know soit's a that's that's a that's a
subject for another podcastbecause there's some um
spectacular things in in Galiciayeah for sure.

SPEAKER_06 (43:45):
And that's is that is that part of that where that
Domingo trail is you can go tocamp have you guys ever thought
about doing that or have youdone part of it at all?

SPEAKER_02 (43:54):
No we've we've been on little parts of it we've been
at the end of it we've been youknow like we've we might do a
like hundred meters where we'rein town.
It's not that spiritual yeah wedon't we don't we like walking
um not so much hiking and welike to go and sit in a plaza
and get our local um I hit fixthere.

(44:17):
Yeah we'd we'd yeah we're that Ilove that if we were going to
have a w a week or ten days wedon't want to be walking evil
countryside where we can'texplore.
Yeah.
But I certainly get theattraction of it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
But that San Diego the the town where the the the
cathedral is where where thepilgrimage go where it finishes
is absolutely stunning.

SPEAKER_02 (44:34):
Yeah yeah absolutely but Hereth is just if you want
Spain and you want you know youthink of it as the polka dot
dresses and the sherry and thehorses and the you know the guys
with the hats on and and thatthis is what this area is for
sure.

SPEAKER_01 (44:51):
Wow and you're sitting in a plaza and the guys
well yeah guys will come andthey'll put their like a s a
wooden square down and they'llbus doing flamenco dance.
Like it's and then you've gotguys walking around or girls
walking around doing you knowflamenco guitar work.
And this is yeah and it's justunbelievable.

SPEAKER_06 (45:15):
Okay.
All right well So I'm a soldieryes I'm totally sold.
Okay so just from rapid firequestions if we're ready.
Yep.
Okay so what would you have forbreakfast every day there?
Or in Spain?
What's your favorite?

SPEAKER_02 (45:29):
Easy tostada de tomate toast with beautiful
grated tomato with olive oil onit and cafe con leche and zumo
de naranja which is the freshestorange juice you've ever had
every day.
Oh I've heard they like make itall fresh squeeze right they do
yeah yeah but the tomato it'snot just last night it's like
grated and it's the skin'soffered and it's mixed with

(45:49):
olive oil it's divine.

SPEAKER_06 (45:51):
Or balsamic vinegar yes I prefer the balsamic
vinegar okay got it um and ifyou were gonna have one meal
there like for dinner what wouldyou what would you have pork
cheese?
Yeah you it's all all about thethe pork.
Yeah the pork pork is big it'sall about the pork pretty much

(46:12):
three times now okay great andthen how would you handle the
money?

SPEAKER_02 (46:15):
Like do you recommend credit cards or do you
want to transition your moneywith the cards we've had a
little bit of cash but like alot of European countries we've
been to they like cash but wefind in Spain just like 99% of
places accept card we use a adebit card uh for us but you

(46:35):
know credit card or debit cardand um that that's fine
everywhere you go.

SPEAKER_01 (46:40):
And we've never had a problem.
No.

SPEAKER_06 (46:42):
Okay great cool and then um coffee or tea it sounds
like um what did most peopledrink cafe con leche yeah okay
it's coffee with milk great isit as espresso is yeah yeah no
no no espresso it's got it hasgot a lot better as as Lyle said
yeah but but but you know weprobably went how long ago or

(47:05):
maybe eight years ago maybefirst time nine years nine years
ago coffee was terrible now umand we're Australia's really
spoiled that we've got reallygood coffee here it's we don't
grow it here but the um theyroast it here but um the
coffee's really really good ohright like Sumatra I remember

(47:25):
that was like my favorite coffeethat's not too far from
Australia it's like in Indonesiasomewhere you know yeah yeah
yeah yeah okay and then final uhclosest place to surf do you
know have you ever watched anysurfing and I don't I think
we've talked that you I don'texpect that you surf but do you
know like where people go to gosurfing in in Spain.

SPEAKER_02 (47:43):
Closest place to where we are oh where we are
across the road no and in HereYeah no we can see people
surfing here but in Herez downdown there it's like the
Mediterranean meets the AtlanticOcean so anywhere sort of along
along that sort of coastal areaI'm I'm sure people go surfing

(48:04):
there.

SPEAKER_01 (48:04):
Yeah and in that coast of Herez but in Spain some
of the best surfing is in SanSebastian.
San Sebastian and also off thecoast of Galicia okay great so
what other countries have youbeen to in case we want to have
you back again have you been toSlovenia at all that's a really

(48:25):
beautiful yeah I've heard it'samazing divine Slovenia we've
we've had some time in Hungaryjust in the in Budapest we've
been to uh Croatia CroatiaMontenegro Italy Italy yeah yeah
yeah Florence Tuscany yeah Romewe had eight weeks there Mount

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next one we're going tohopefully well the word planning
now is to go back to Portugaland also France.

SPEAKER_06 (48:55):
Oh okay great next year so you'll do that like in
like six nine six to nine monthsfrom now like in your fall your
spring your your yeah yourwinter you'll go talk to our
finance people next week it's avery expensive hobby.

SPEAKER_07 (49:13):
Yeah I was curious what it what your year looked
like how often do you travel andthen is it eight weeks at a time
and then that's sort of what wetry and do.

SPEAKER_02 (49:25):
Well we want to be as much as possible we want to
be here from su spring summerbecause it's just the best
weather and we love the beach.
We love that so we we wouldn'twant to go away not that we
wouldn't but you know weprobably wouldn't go away until
maybe February if we didsomething local here.
So you know like say Tasmaniadown south or even New Zealand

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we want to do a road trip out ofthe winter there.
So that that but normally wewould go away early May May,
June, July through those monthsand um and yeah so look every
year's different really we'vewe've got lots of little
weekends away this year as wellbut yeah I think next week next
year we're looking at France andPortugal maybe maybe just eight

(50:08):
weeks and then um we're lookingat going to New Zealand skiing
with some family in September.

SPEAKER_01 (50:14):
So you know we'll yeah that's another country
another another country is thatis stunning is New Zealand.
Yeah it is absolutely stunning.
Yeah that's probably the mostbeautiful country well though
you know Slovenia though it's atoss up between Slovenia and oh
really Slovenia that that standsout that much yeah okay it is

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glorious yes and have you beento Croatia no so we did a lot of
time there too oh okay yeah somaybe we can do Slovenia and
Croatia sometime and I couldjust listen to yours I'm sure
have you done episodes on those?

SPEAKER_06 (50:53):
Yeah yeah okay I'll I'll listen to those as well to
get some background and get mereally excited.

SPEAKER_07 (50:59):
Uh and then we actually just like pardon
Hungary Budapestly beautiful wowso many places it almost looks
like um uh just the sound ofmusic but with water it's
gorgeous yeah um so are yougirls still enjoying your

(51:22):
podcasting yeah yeah so it's umit's slowed down a little bit
just because we've got reallybusy with book that's working
and traveling.

SPEAKER_06 (51:31):
Um so but yeah so we haven't done one for I think
it's probably three months.

SPEAKER_07 (51:36):
Yeah we but we had a little backlog yeah now we've
got them back on the calendars.

SPEAKER_06 (51:41):
Yeah and then I was just looking at all the cut
people that have listened.
So we've had people listen atover 111 different countries.
And so when I look at thosecountries I'm like we never did
Taiwan you know so part of it Iwanted to learn more and we've
had a lot of you know repeatcountries but like you said
there's still within thosecountries there's so many like
special places.

SPEAKER_07 (52:01):
Yeah like you know we don't have to do just Paris
you know I'm sure there'sprobably tons of places in you
know Spain and Best 10 and Gemshave been where we're talking
with someone and then we justsort of and I always add the uh
add at the end like what else isthere that we're we haven't
captured that would be aninteresting something and I
remember there was one personwhere there wasn't it like pink

(52:24):
dolphins or oh yeah that was inthat was in Ecuador yeah Ecuador
inland in Ecuador there's umyeah like river with pink
dolphins like crazy yeah fromlike another penguin on another
island at night you know justsome really neat things that you
know you wouldn't know um soyou're you know not spending the

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time to really be there and slowtravel I guess you'd say yeah
yeah exactly just to and how andhow about you like it's so nice
that this is your own travel soit's really you're you're just
recording your diary.

SPEAKER_06 (52:56):
Now you have Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:58):
It's pretty much but we get um we were doing one
every week and um that just gota lot of work.
We yeah so yeah it's a lot ofwork goes into it.
You know, even though we've beenthere we still research and make
sure we cover everything and Ido a a web page so every every
place I've got to upload photosand do the written part of it.
So you know it was filling upour week and we just like let's

(53:20):
have a break over Christmas ourand uh because numbers drop off
anyway then so and then and webasically went just to Fortnite
and it hasn't affected downloadsand then we thought well it
doesn't really matter we're notdoing it for the downloads you
know we're still getting peoplesend us emails of thank you and
reaching out asking us you allyou know stuff and um you know

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so if we can help anybody that'sthat's the best thing isn't it
yeah there's Leanne gets anemail you know a request for
information nearly every dayevery day.

SPEAKER_01 (53:51):
Yeah oh really oh wow yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah and we get some reallyreally nice um thank yous for
you know we've we've recommendedyou know places and we're just
one recently in uh Barcelona andthey stayed in the exact hotel
that we stayed they went to therooftop bar that we talked about
and basically they followedeverything we did.

(54:12):
Ah that's so and they just saidthey had the best holiday.

SPEAKER_02 (54:15):
Yeah and what I've what I'm starting to do now um I
did it a while back but I'vecome back to it is on the web
page I'm putting like say on ourHereth um blog um I basically
just have it's not this it's notjust show notes it's just basic
information about places and thephotos.
So I say on the podcast you wantto see this go and have a look
but I've also put like a I'vedone a Google map and I've put

(54:37):
everywhere that we talk about onthe Google map and so you can
actually go to the website andlook at that but you can also
download it to your phone so youknow you can look oh where was
that restaurant and it's and itand it's and it's there.
So I'm sending people to thatnow because that's really um
yeah really good.
And I also telling people nowabout the voice map app too
because I just um that's just abrilliant little thing to have

(55:00):
up your sleeve.
Do they offer affiliate programthat you can add it?
They do I haven't like um they II can't quite figure out how to
use it yet.
The ladies have some some linksbut like you know I think it's
like you know 10% of$16.
So it's not right yeah yeah thechances that um yeah yeah yeah

(55:20):
people are actually going to gothere they might just remember
the name but well yeah it's morelike just to give people that
option of of being able to dothe the the walking tour
whenever they want to you knowum they also do them inside
museums and and um art gallerieswhich I didn't know there's so
Ian McKeller who's like uh avery famous English actor you
know oh yeah sounds familiar oneof the Lord of the Rings yes

(55:43):
like very very posh gentleman hehe narrates one around the um
West End area of London like itlike how good's that you know
like yeah so yeah it's prettyit's pretty cool so oh that's
great that you're just givingback I do I do put links in our
web page of a if we've done atour I will put the link to that

(56:04):
in with um via tour I have anaffiliate with that um but I
don't recommend anything I haveit done because I just you know
that's I'm not there to makemoney but if I you know I've I I
do put the link in so somepeople have booked a a wine tour
so you know sometimes I mightget twenty bucks every now and
then have to pay first it's notpaying any bills but yeah goes
straight to PayPal and it's itserves my other passion which is

(56:28):
crochet so I'm buying I'm buyingyarn how many years have you
done it now?

SPEAKER_01 (56:35):
Four years I guess yeah yeah well for our first one
was um in Paris in Paris sittingwe were sitting on the uh
sitting on the apartment floorjust caught recording on our
phone so that's how that's hownovice we were and uh yeah not
much has changed really that'sgreat I do edit now I never used
to but I do now I know thatfeeling that it's a pain and

(56:57):
it's a bit of work.

SPEAKER_02 (56:58):
Yes it is a lot of work and then yeah I get through
yeah yeah and um and I and Ijust keep going until it's done.
Right that's me.

SPEAKER_06 (57:08):
I love like meeting new people so it's so great to
talk to you again and umAustralia one day that I can
look you at.

SPEAKER_07 (57:15):
Oh yeah yeah bring your surfboard yeah I I did that
for um South Korea and Bali.
I went to both these places andI got to stay I actually I
stayed with the gal in SouthKorea and then she um I was like
oh I want to take you to dinnerand she said two things come
stay with me with your kids andthen I want to I'm gonna have

(57:36):
you go and stay with this RipCurl pro family in Bali.
It's like okay I'll take that soI took she's like it's a seven
hour flight like that's okayI'll do it yeah yeah well we cut
we we're 24 hour flights to getto Europe so you know no
sympathy there.

SPEAKER_02 (57:54):
No you just go no big deal.

SPEAKER_06 (57:56):
Oh that's what it's gonna ask how do you go to
Europe?
Do you go from I assume you gowest right or like over India in
that way or do you go acrossAmerica?

SPEAKER_02 (58:05):
Yeah we we fly rhythmic Emirates Emirates and
so we go through Dubai.
Oh okay um and then Dubai yeahyou can basically fly anywhere
in the world from there so umthen from there to Europe.
So it's about a 14 hour flightfrom Brisbane to Dubai and then
anything from sort of seveneight nine hours depending on
where you're flying to fromthere to Europe.

SPEAKER_07 (58:28):
Have you had the Dubai chocolate yet?
No I don't think we have have weuh yeah it's it's uh uh
pistachio and then some sort ofyou know phyllo dough but it's
like almost like I I I thereit's like a Czech cereal I don't
know it's like really it's likewhat is that rice breaded wheat

(58:48):
kind of feeling oh okay not Ineed to okay not it's covered in
chocolate to it was all thecraze my kids it was being all
on you know it was on Instagramor something and so then I
haven't heard of either yeahwhen we I took my kids to Oahu
went to Hawaii this in June andthey happened to have this one
chocolate store that had likethe actual Dubai chocolate I got

(59:11):
a bar for it was expensive itwas like 30 something dollars
for a bar and the bar was youknow it was like this big want
to be not a big bar but wow getone and yeah yeah yeah no we
haven't heard of it that pricewe probably won't be trying it
yeah well and then also sincelike do you guys do Southeast

(59:33):
Asia that's just like so muchcloser for you or just really
not that interested.

SPEAKER_02 (59:37):
Yeah we've done Japan um but yeah it's not on
the top of our list.
We like the wine regions and uhSoutheast Asia isn't really
known for wine.
Oh true okay yeah so we like thehistory in the wine and what
goes with the wine regions isthe you know the beautiful food

(59:57):
and yeah just the thesurroundings of that but um yeah
maybe maybe one day it's notit's we don't mind the flight
like we're quite you know it'spart of the holiday it's just
what you do right so but nowwe'll do a few more Europe trips
I think as yeah we sounds greatwe don't have a big list we just
um you know we we just make itup as we go okay that sounds

(01:00:19):
great all right well enjoy youryou guys are approaching summer
enjoy your time at home yeahyeah we are it's beautiful it's
gonna be 27 degrees Celsiustoday which I don't know what
that is with you but that'sreally nice temperature's not
too hot I've got my little fiveyear old uh grandson coming to
have a sleepover tonight sohe'll be here soon so we'll
probably hit the beach and thepool and yeah let's have a fun

(01:00:42):
day.
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's niceto catch up with you girls again
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