March 7, 2025 • 33 mins
Ever found yourself in a weird place in the park? Like a place that just doesn't feel very... Disney? We sure have and this week we talk about what we consider to be the Disney Dead Zones.
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Hey everybody, welcome to whistle while you work podcast.
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This is episode 91 Disney world dead zones.
Or do we say dead zones of Disney world?
You just said Disney dead zones.
Oh, I did all of it wrong then.
Dun dun dun.
So I should have written it down.
What is that?
It was like four seconds ago.
I know.
So what is it?
We're calling it dead zones.
See, I can't even get it.
Maybe we should.
We need the editor to come in.
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Disney dead zones.
Dun dun dun.
Okay.
Maybe you should start doing the intros.
I've been doing the last 90 of them, so maybe it's time to flip.
That's interesting.
You've done 90.
No.
Actually, now you've done 91.
You know, we started this in like 2022.
I can't remember.
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I can't remember that far back.
I know.
I'm pretty sure that was the year we started.
Yeah, we were on a roll early on.
I know.
Every single week.
I know.
Now it's like monthly, but you know what?
We just do what we want.
We have fun.
Yeah.
And here we are.
Because you're not the boss of me.
Actually you are.
But we are equal partners in life and in podcasting, except the intro.
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I think it might be your turn.
I wouldn't know what to do.
Whatever.
I do the intro for the other podcasts.
I know.
That's why I'm like, you're experienced.
You got this.
I can't.
I can't hog all the intros.
OK.
All right.
So thank you guys for listening into our podcast.
Dun dun dun.
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We hope this is entertaining.
I know, you know, you can glean some information and I can certainly help you plan a trip because
I actually do that professionally if that's something you want help with.
But it's free.
It is free.
There is no cost to you to.
You know what?
I think that is the 100 percent biggest misconception out there when it comes to travel agents,
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because I think there are travel agents out there that charge their clients.
They charge fees and certain things.
I know that.
My agency does not.
Yeah.
I think.
I mean, it's it is a little like a gamble.
Listen, if you've been with us for 91 episodes now, you probably realize Kayla knows what
she's talking about.
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I know a couple of things, except how to give a proper intro or what we just discussed our
intro's name was.
But other than that.
Yeah.
But you know, you know, Parks and we're going to talk about a thing that frankly we've never,
ever talked about before.
I know it kind of has like a negative connotation.
You know, no dead zones, Disney dead zones.
But I don't know if I'd call it negative.
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Yeah, it's all negative.
It sounds like we're talking about like, you know, you get poor signal or no Wi-Fi.
That's not the that's not what we're talking about.
No, no, because that's pretty much that's pretty much the whole park.
I was like, you know, the one that brings that comes to mind the most is somewhere.
Soren, for some reason, when you're in the queue at Soren.
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Oh, it's because you're like it's because you're like a mile underground.
You know, you walk into Soren and you start going down the thing and you're like, we're
still going downhill.
By the time you get there, I'm like, how far underground am I?
Got no signal.
I got no nothing.
Where's another part that I get absolutely zero signal?
That's another attraction.
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I feel like back in the day when we had to do the virtual queues and you had to find
a spot like there were only a few select places in the park that you were like, I can trust
that I had.
Yeah, you know, I remember we did it once.
We did it in the pyramid.
And I was, you know, it was it was a little bit of roulette for me, right?
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Because I'm like, well, we're higher up.
So there's not as many obstructions except we're in a big metal box.
Well, a big metal pyramid.
And but it worked great.
It was one of the best ones.
And we were trying to get it right at the time that the lounge was closing.
So they were trying to get everybody out like, please go away.
And it was us and like some other group and you could tell what we were doing.
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We were all and we won.
And then the cast member cheered for us, too.
That was cool.
Oh, my goodness.
It was a good day.
This episode isn't about virtual queues, but I will say that virtual queues are also dead
for now until another attraction opens up.
I've made my feelings clear on this for years now.
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Well, Guardians of the Galaxy back in twenty twenty two had the virtual queue and it's
had it for what, three years, the whole time.
Years.
It's had it for the whole time.
And in my opinion, it's worked very well.
So why we need to screw up something that works.
Well, I don't know.
But here's the bottom line.
Let me just say this.
Let me just say this about virtual queues.
I want to get I want to get this off my chest because I've brought it up many times.
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Why am I such a big fan?
Because I feel like Disney is leaving money on the table when you force people into a
line where they can't spend any money.
The businessman in you is just like, this doesn't make sense.
Well, I mean, the business part of that doesn't make any sense.
And the part where it's hey, let's just stand in line for fun when we know we have a viable
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alternative out there.
That doesn't make any sense either.
Right.
It's not a great guest experience.
Certainly not a good economic experience.
I just don't get it.
Now.
I trust that they have run some numbers.
Right.
But they do.
Yeah.
And I think there's probably the guest experience.
But I feel like I feel well.
And I think that's what it is.
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I think that the complaints about virtual queue is the tail that's wag the dog.
But just like a press event that I was at this morning where everyone was worried about
a bunch of protesters, how many people showed up to protest?
Four.
OK.
And I'm sure what I think one of them was even paid.
Right.
That's just not the thing.
Just because someone speaks really loudly or even even those surveys.
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I just you know what's going to happen instead is they're going to raise prices elsewhere.
They're going to continue to raise those prices.
So now what they do is you get out of the virtual queue, which was free.
You hate standing in the regular line.
And guess what?
Now the individual lightning lanes to be set of being twenty dollars is now thirty five
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dollars.
That's what's going to happen.
Mark my words.
OK.
Not a good experience for any.
If anyone's not sure what we're talking about for the last several years, for many of the
attractions, new attractions, you would get you wouldn't actually go stand in a line.
You had to digitally or on your app get in line for some of these rides.
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And now no more.
Now you just go stand in line or you pay.
I can understand in today's age why people complain about that.
Oh, I can't work the app.
OK, look, it's 1993.
Get with the program.
Right.
Like we've been doing this for a long time now.
If you can't work your phone with your glued to 24 7, that's on you.
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My goodness.
All right.
Did you get it all off your chest?
I feel like you might need a deep breath.
Yeah.
As long as you don't bring up as long as you don't bring up Tom Sawyer Island, I'll be
OK.
Well, let's let's talk about our topic and move forward.
Good old Tom.
You should just go read that book.
Maybe that would that would fill the gaps.
That book's not very good.
Hard to read.
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You know, all that that difficult language of the.
I just never liked the story that she left on Sawyer Island.
That doesn't make sense.
I don't need the story for the island.
The islands.
It's like a utopia.
It's a Zen for Tom Sawyer.
He never showed up there.
I feel like you should like it.
So he never showed up there.
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Oh, my gosh.
This is very revealing.
OK, well, let's talk about what I wanted to discuss.
And that is areas in the parks or.
Yeah, these are all in the parks or near the parks that are dead zones.
In other words, people don't go there.
Nothing ain't nothing going on.
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If if like literally a tumbleweed could like be rolling around in that area.
That's what would be happening.
And for me, it's like this last opportunity.
There's so much foot traffic.
There's honestly it would be helpful if we spread out a little bit more people.
And there's places that we just don't want to spread out to because it's just this bad
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vibe.
This is what's amazing.
The question you should be asking yourself is how is this possible?
There's no one here.
Yeah.
Like, how is it possible?
This whole big, huge park.
There's so many people here, thousands, tens of thousands of people in this park.
And you'll find yourself in one of these spots where you could be by yourself.
Even it's possible because I've done it.
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Well, let's start with with Magic Kingdom.
So in Magic Kingdom, this is at Disney World.
I do have one at Disneyland.
You want to start Disneyland?
You want to do Magic Kingdom?
Oh, I don't know Disneyland as well anymore.
Well, I changed so much since I was let's just do my quick Disneyland one.
So this is in California for me, the dead zone and like the like, like I got to get
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out of here.
Space is the Esplanade, especially in the middle of the day.
You know, I'm talking about the spot between the two parks.
Oh, yeah.
They call that it's the Esplanade.
That's where you are either going into DCA or you're going in Disneyland.
You know what I mean?
Like, I feel like I'm like, you know, when you're park hopping and you're like, OK, I'm
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going to go from this park to this park.
But in the middle of the day, like there's bad vibes there.
You're like, oh, I got it.
I got to get out of this.
I got to go get into a park.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't feel bad vibes.
I'm going to another park.
No, I don't like it.
It's there's a little bit of energy and excitement in the morning.
Like, yeah, we're all waiting.
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We're going to get in or whatever.
In the middle of the day, though, I'm like, oh, it's scary out here.
I got to go.
It's the opposite.
I don't like it in the morning because there's so many people in the way.
This is going to be an afternoon.
I'm like, this is great.
This is great.
I get to just walk right across and go into the other park.
I don't know.
I wouldn't call that a dead zone.
There's so many people out there.
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Maybe I'm still living off the last trip that you and I had at Disneyland and you were so
upset about not being able to find that shake, that blood orange shake.
And then we went and that was such a bummer.
I just had some bad vibes in my heart.
It was such a bummer.
I couldn't believe how hard it was to find a delicious shake.
OK, go to go to our whistle while you work podcast on Instagram.
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Let me know.
I'm not the only one that like that esplanade, especially midday, it's got bad vibes.
But let's just go to Magic Kingdom.
I think you'll have stuff to say about this bad vibes.
That's like when you get outside of the Esplanade and you're out there with the protesters,
the people that are doing some weird stuff, weird things.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Last time we got accused of being magicians and witchcraft.
Yeah.
Remember that one?
I was like, wow.
I mean, I know I was born there, but those are not my people.
Yeah.
I mean, the bubble is very small at Disneyland.
But even within the bubble at the Esplanade, to me, it is a dead zone.
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OK, let's move forward.
I was thinking to tell you the truth.
I thought of a dead zone.
I thought actually be more like over in Disney, California Adventure, which is the concourse
over there next to the the River Rapids ride and the entrance to the Grand California.
There's nobody over there.
Yeah, it's so weird.
That park is so congested and dense everywhere else except for that spot.
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There's never anybody over there.
Yeah.
To me, that's the dead zone.
OK, all right.
And it's actually kind of nice.
You feel like you're in a forest.
Yeah, I've got to say it's like warm and like it's giving you a hug type of feeling.
I think your definition of dead zone is not the same as my definition of dead zone.
That's going to make this an interesting episode.
OK.
All right.
Finally, Magic Kingdom.
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MarlLand specifically the old Stitch's Great Escape or whatever it was called.
Like it's just like if tumbleweed was blowing around, there would be tumbleweed blowing
around in there like no one's over there.
And that tumbleweed would get caught up in someone's stroller.
It's so many strollers.
Because that's where all the strollers park in Tomorrowland.
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You know what I mean, though?
Like that is prime real estate.
There's so many imaginative people in that company and it's just been empty for like
a decade.
Yeah.
I consider that a dead zone and it's wasted space.
I mean, that is like prime real estate, like the entrance area Tomorrowland.
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Yeah, I would agree.
You know, to tell you the truth, the real dead zone that I think is actually storybook
circus.
Storybook circus.
You're talking about the splash pad?
Yeah.
You get past the splash pad, you got that tent back there.
There's the railroad entrance like never really ever over there.
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Yeah.
Maybe it's because everything closes at like two in the afternoon.
I don't know.
But, you know, yeah, to me that's the dead zone back over there.
Or, you know, the place immediately outside of it, right, which is where you're back there
in New Fantasyland near Ariel's Grotto.
Nothing over there.
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Nothing going on.
Yeah.
You get near Gaston's Tavern.
Nothing really going on over there.
It's so strange to me because you walk into the middle of Fantasyland and you can't even
get through the crowd because of how many people there are.
You just walk a little bit past Beast's Castle and all of a sudden you're like, where'd everybody
go?
Right.
Yeah.
I guess they built out that part of what they called New Fantasyland so much.
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That's why those things close so early.
That's why Gaston's Tavern doesn't stay open till nine o'clock.
That's why the souvenir tent in storybook circus closes like at five or six.
You know, and look, that's a great little place.
If you ever wanted to beat the crowd over at the confectionary, like go over to the
tent at storybook circus.
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They have almost all of the same treats from the case.
You can get fresh made caramel popcorn.
You can get a lot of the same stuff over there.
Werther stuff.
And there's no lime.
And you can find a spot to eat.
Like there are a few chairs and tables or you can just, we've just sat on the ground
inside there, which is nice and cool.
Yeah, I get your dead zones.
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I feel like my dead zone is, it's just stark and cold.
There's nothing to look at.
There's nothing to do.
Okay.
Yours at least, I feel like there's colors in my music.
So I'll raise you this one then.
What's the place, what's the name of the place there where the dessert buffet takes place?
Oh gosh, yes.
I mean.
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The Tomorrowland Terrace.
Yeah, Tomorrowland Terrace.
The orange chairs.
It's so bad.
I don't even know the name of it.
Okay.
They do nothing with it all day long.
Talk about prime real estate.
Absolutely nothing whatsoever.
I mean really you guys can't serve food like there's so many chairs and stuff set up.
But they use it just for that dessert thing in the evening.
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I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Tomorrowland needs work.
Yeah.
Tomorrowland's yesterdayland apparently now, but it's like 80s land really to me.
70s, 80s.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let's, I'm going to skip to the one that really inspired this whole episode.
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I mean I'm not skipping in your mind.
It's just a skip on my list here.
But the one that just really bothers me to no end.
You're going to Epcot aren't you?
No.
Well, it's the one in Hollywood Studios where that Little Mermaid show or movie or whatever
it used to be over by like there's the Disney Junior show.
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Anyway, it's not far from one man's dream and you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
The Little Mermaid show.
There's not a show there anymore right now.
There's not a show over there.
Not currently.
I think they said they're going to do another one, but who knows.
You can meet some Star Wars characters if you go further.
Okay.
So you're talking over the Star Wars launch bay.
Yes.
That's it.
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Yes.
I agree.
What in the world is going on?
In fact, you're so right about this one.
I really was convinced that's where they were going to put Monsters University.
Because there's so much room that's not being used.
Not only so much room, but the building already was in the right shape and made sense for
that, right?
Instead of taking over where the Muppets are and trying to crowd more people over into
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a spot where there's already too many people.
There's just already too many people over there.
Oh yeah, let's just keep crowding them in.
Great idea.
Instead we've got prime real estate, nothing going on over there.
It really is.
It's in the middle of the park.
It's very central to everything, I think.
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But to me, it kind of goes along with my issue with Stitch is there's nothing to look at,
there's nothing to see over there.
There's no purpose in walking in there.
No.
I mean, yeah, okay, there's some character meet and greets, but meh.
Yeah, I think it's Chewie and BB-8 or something is back in that Star Wars area.
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But very limited times for that too, if I'm not mistaken.
It's not like it's an all day, you get to meet them.
Who cares about meeting a robot that can't talk?
Maybe some people do.
I don't know.
Is that what noise he makes?
I don't know, he's just rolling around.
Do you have any other ones you want me to just keep doing my list?
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Do you have anything else in Hollywood Studios?
The other one in Hollywood Studios for me actually, it gets later in the day when this
happens but that whole section over there in front of Backlot Express, Indiana Jones.
So actually when you were talking about the bad juju sort of feelings and stuff, I don't
like that spot over there at all.
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So we're talking basically immediately in front of where you'd go in for the Frozen
sing along, you've got the Indiana Jones stunt spectacular, you've got Backlot Express which
is a maybe semi underrated quick service area but nobody goes there because you just don't
want to be over there.
Star tours look an attraction that nobody goes to and I really think why does nobody
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go to it?
It's location.
It's just in a weird spot where there's just no reason to be over there so I'm not going
to go.
Well you can naturally cut through like the ABC commissary or go any other direction.
Yeah everyone likes to go down these small narrow alleyways instead of this huge promenade
which is what you have right out there.
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But maybe they feel the bad juju.
Maybe they call it bad juju something.
Voodoo mama juju.
Okay so I think that was my last one in Hollywood Studios.
I think let's go to Epcot, you and I kind of mentioned this one earlier but it's the
Mission to Mars area.
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Yeah that's also that area.
There's two things there.
You've got the mission space.
Mission space is the attraction.
And you have space 220 the restaurant.
I don't know but I was just I wasn't going to correct you directly I was just saying
mission space anyways.
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This is true love.
It's weird.
There's nobody there.
It is so cool.
Like that planet looks amazing it's like this giant statue of Mars right?
Isn't it Mars?
Maybe that's why I said that.
I think you could I don't know.
I threw up the one time we probably maybe the one time we were going to Mars that's
the one time I threw up and had a vaccine.
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I just now that now that you've got guardians kind of is breathing some light light life
over into that area of Epcot but I just feel like I can't get out of there fast enough.
I'm like I have nothing to do maybe because there's no shade.
That's probably another big factor.
Yeah there's no shade whatsoever.
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Food over there.
That's worth getting I don't think.
But it is it is absolutely a bizarre kind of place almost like Canada and the World
Showcase where there's never anybody there either and you're like I don't know if I'm
supposed to be here.
Am I welcome?
Is this is this okay?
Yeah that's a good comparison.
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Not an indictment on your country Canada but that's how I feel in the World Showcase like
I'm not welcome.
Yeah maybe it's all the construction.
And then even when you go to the O Canada show you're like in there and you're waiting
for it and you're like is this a thing like are we supposed to do this?
Like you're in this like underground like little cabin.
Well then even if you get inside there you don't have a lot to sit down.
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Yeah.
Give us a seat.
We're hospitable.
We're living in a society.
The Canadians are like we didn't build it.
They're out there chopping lumber.
So but I agree with you completely on this one.
And I think what's the what's the building that is completely unused is the old universe
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of energy building or something like that.
It's over in that whole corner.
So this is that whole spot that we're talking the spherical like dome.
I think it's a dome shaped building.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's not the part that is attached to the Guardians attraction.
That was a different universe of something.
This is the other one.
We don't know our history at Epcot.
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Sorry people.
Well I didn't go back.
I didn't go back then.
Yeah.
Right.
And but the building's still there and you know I look at that building you know what
I think of.
I think of Jurassic Park.
Oh yeah.
After they all abandoned the island and then they came back and like everything had overgrown
like I feel like if I walked in that building T-Rex is waiting for me.
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Right.
There might be some dinosaur eggs.
Yep.
Uh huh.
Okay.
That's what I'm feeling like.
Okay.
Maybe that's what they're going for.
Maybe that's a universal property.
Okay.
So I asked this on on our Instagram.
You know I was asking if if there are people that that have to err.
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I was crowd sourcing opinions on dead zones at Disney World and someone my friend Lisa
talked about the cut through between test track and World Showcase.
Yep.
It's sometimes there's that building that has like something.
So there used to be stuff in there.
There used to be like both a quick service and they had a exhibit and a display and then
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it gets closed down and then they do something and then they open it up for something else
and they close it back down.
Yeah.
I'm talking about the cut through like when you're trying to get to Mexico like over.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's bathrooms over there.
That's usually the only reason I walk over there is for those restrooms.
And those restrooms are they've been there since the park opened in 82.
I don't think they've changed anything.
They were there when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
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You know sometimes you go into a Disney bathroom you're like this is impressive.
This is nice and whatever.
But anyway.
But yeah I don't know why it's just I think maybe we're all just.
It seems like you should want to like hang out.
There's like water to look at and there's a bridge and it's kind of quiet from the chaos
of the park.
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But it's like no get me through this.
I think there's quite a few dead zones in Epcot honestly and that has a lot to do with
its size.
You know another one that in my opinion is pretty spooky is the one on the far side of
Spaceship Earth kind of walking towards the park exit.
You know like at night time when you're walking out that way like it's a little bit dark like
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it's darker than it feels like in other places.
Like I'm always kind of looking around my shoulder like is someone going to mug me over
here like in the middle of Epcot.
Like that's what I feel like the main entrance.
Yeah but but this is it's not the main entrance part.
This is like off to the side side back kind of weird corner of Spaceship Earth.
OK.
So if you're coming away from what used to be the land pavilion and you're walking out
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that way and you're going around Spaceship like it's just it's a little it's a little
spooky to me.
It's a dead zone.
Well that I mean that was on my list too.
It was just the entrance of Epcot.
It's just so you're talking about in front of the turnstiles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like there's a yeah.
So in front of the in front of the gate you know basically in between the parking lot
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and the gate and you've got the monorail entrance and everything.
Yeah that is no good.
It's no good.
Why you know it's just like I feel like the Imagineers are so good at like making things
warm or welcoming or putting this and maybe that's kind of the spirit.
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It's like this cold space futuristic future.
It used to be called future.
What was it future world.
The front side of Epcot.
You're looking at me like you don't know.
But anyway but you're about to find out.
We're about to find out.
Yeah I don't know.
It does it just feels very does feel very transactional up there towards the front.
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Well and it's like it's it's a blessing because you need space for that many people to inundate
an area when the park opens right.
But it just still seems like there's still too much space.
There's plenty of space in outer space.
OK.
Let's talk about it.
And you're world.
It's a thing.
I'm not making it up.
It's called future world.
It was a thing.
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Anyway you're right.
It was a thing.
Now everything's the land this and this that I don't know.
I just don't even know what they're called.
Yeah I don't I don't their neighborhoods.
It's like the world of because it's supposed to be world showcase and then it's like the
world of the sea and the world of I don't know.
All right.
I'm looking it up while you think their communities now.
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Is it.
I don't know.
Keep going.
Yes.
Yes something.
Well I was going to move on to animal kingdom.
Yeah I have one there too.
I mean like all of animal kingdom kind of fits in a little bit.
I mean what is there a specific spot you want to talk about.
Yeah I want to talk about the spot basically in between Expedition Everest and going towards
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what used to be the little carnival area back there.
What did they call that place.
Dinoland USA.
Yeah I never hung out there.
That was on my list.
Well you know they're given that whole thing a makeover but I'm talking about the space
in between which is the part that contains the theater for the Nemo show.
Oh yeah.
I mean what in the blazes is happening over there.
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He's up in he's up in Everest right above it.
I mean it could be he comes down and just like eats the people.
He ate them.
That's why you can't find them turning into a horror show.
Well you'll feel that way if you walk over there.
I just I just it's one of those where you're like there's nobody here.
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How can there be nobody here.
And you get the same sort of thing as you're walking in between Africa and Pandora.
If you take that journey right there.
That one doesn't bother me going past the Harambe house which is the club 33.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know there's just nobody there.
And you look at Africa the way they've put it together so well and it's a complete you
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know they they themed it so well you're like I'm in a third world country and those wires
are going to electrocute me.
Right.
They're not even real but they feel like they're going to electrocute.
It did a really it's it's so well done.
So well done that you know if you sent a permit inspector out there they'd red tag it and
they'd say this isn't good enough.
You have to do better and you're like it's just a prop like I don't believe you.
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I think you know kind of a theme for all of these is some of these places were describing
there's no live entertainment.
There's not good music.
I mean the fact that there's no people there too is also a problem.
But there might be no people there because there is nothing.
Yeah that's the thing when I'm like inviting when I'm talking and I don't want to say it's
not warm and inviting over there in between Everest and old dino land.
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Right.
The foliage it's nice it's beautiful you know it's clean.
It's clean because there's nobody there.
But like you don't hear anything either.
Not only do you not see any people but like you just don't even hear anything.
You're not hearing the screams from Everest or anything else because the Yeti ate them.
That's it.
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I think we figured it out.
The Yeti ate them.
We're going to get a new rating on our podcast.
Ten stars.
No not rating.
I mean like they're going to call us PG 13 or something.
Well I missed what I was going to say.
Animal Kingdom.
Where's your spot?
Well I was now I got it now I got a backup just a second for Epcot.
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It's called World Discovery World Nature World Celebration and World Showcase.
Yeah that doesn't make sense but okay.
So just like getting rid of virtual cues didn't make sense.
World Nature.
Naming conventions.
World Nature must be where the land pavilion is.
World Discovery is probably like in the middle and then Celebration is over with Test Track.
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I don't know.
Anyway.
I'm just going to keep calling it the land pavilion.
Oh my goodness.
Well I guess my other thing at Animal Kingdom though that I just don't have like this great
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feeling is the parking lot.
Like I have like a good feeling.
It sounds stupid but like in Hollywood studios you see the gondolas and like I don't know
it's just it doesn't bother me.
Maybe it's because I'm not already seen.
Like it bothers me that I can see Pandora from the Animal Kingdom parking lot.
It bothers me that I can see the theater that Flight of Passage is in in the parking lot.
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Now I know in Epcot you can see the Guardians of the Galaxy building where the ride is but
they've painted it that no see him blue and honestly you really can't notice you know
right.
Yeah.
You're right.
Here you are seeing floating islands and you're like what's going on with it takes away the
magic to me when you can.
It feels like just a normal carnival like you know I mean obviously Magic Kingdom does
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the best because it is a big buildup lead up to getting to the magic.
And then what's the other park.
Yeah.
So anyway I talked about the other one.
Wouldn't it have been really interesting if they'd put Pandora back somewhere else.
Yeah.
Couldn't see it from the front.
Yeah.
Maybe that part I just do you know what I'm saying about that parking lot.
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I just don't have great feelings.
Again it's like it's like the it's like the part where I feel like I'm going to get mugged
next to Spaceship Earth right.
Like it's just a big it's just a big giant parking lot and you kind of feel a little
bit alone out there.
You know that's what's interesting too.
This is always what I think so interesting when you come to the park in the morning and
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you park in the parking lot you come in with a lot of people when you leave you always
you're out there all by yourself.
I know where all these other people have gone to.
But how am I all by myself out here.
That's because you're park you know open to close or something maybe.
But yeah I remember what I was going to say.
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So the whole the whole like positive spin on this episode is that if you're an introvert
and you need like decompression you should just go to all of these dead zone spots we
described described and you can go and like chill chill.
You might have bad vibes there but at least it'll be quiet and yeah don't chill in the
parking lot.
That's weird.
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That's right.
But I don't know like I you know why aren't we focused so much on the amazing attractions
and the things that have such good energy and good vibes and people are just happy and
they're talking to strangers in the line because you're just in this good mood and then you
get some of these areas and you're like what happened.
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So yeah it is interesting.
I just think it's interesting.
I'm trying to think if there's any other spot.
I was thinking in Disney Springs.
Well there there's a lot in Disney Springs.
Disney Springs.
Yeah that's another place that you it's just kind of weird sometimes depending on where
you are.
The times of day.
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It does come alive at night a lot of the restaurants have live entertainment and that helps.
Anyway well I hope this was entertaining and maybe a little helpful again for those introverts
but I had fun just kind of exploring this topic and you know who knows in 10 years we'll
look back and they've recognized that they could change things and then maybe they'll
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change some of these areas of the park and although they're probably new areas that have
dead zones.
Good luck.
Thank you.
Stop it.
I see dead people.
Stop it.
Now we're really gonna have to edit this.
I'm not editing anything.
Oh my goodness.
All right well thanks for joining us.
You guys have a good one.
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Bye.
Yes.
Hey everybody, welcome to whistle while you work podcast.
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This is episode 91 Disney world dead zones.
Or do we say dead zones of Disney world?
You just said Disney dead zones.
Oh, I did all of it wrong then.
Dun dun dun.
So I should have written it down.
What is that?
It was like four seconds ago.
I know.
So what is it?
We're calling it dead zones.
See, I can't even get it.
Maybe we should.
We need the editor to come in.
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Disney dead zones.
Dun dun dun.
Okay.
Maybe you should start doing the intros.
I've been doing the last 90 of them, so maybe it's time to flip.
That's interesting.
You've done 90.
No.
Actually, now you've done 91.
You know, we started this in like 2022.
I can't remember.
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I can't remember that far back.
I know.
I'm pretty sure that was the year we started.
Yeah, we were on a roll early on.
I know.
Every single week.
I know.
Now it's like monthly, but you know what?
We just do what we want.
We have fun.
Yeah.
And here we are.
Because you're not the boss of me.
Actually you are.
But we are equal partners in life and in podcasting, except the intro.
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I think it might be your turn.
I wouldn't know what to do.
Whatever.
I do the intro for the other podcasts.
I know.
That's why I'm like, you're experienced.
You got this.
I can't.
I can't hog all the intros.
OK.
All right.
So thank you guys for listening into our podcast.
Dun dun dun.
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We hope this is entertaining.
I know, you know, you can glean some information and I can certainly help you plan a trip because
I actually do that professionally if that's something you want help with.
But it's free.
It is free.
There is no cost to you to.
You know what?
I think that is the 100 percent biggest misconception out there when it comes to travel agents,
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because I think there are travel agents out there that charge their clients.
They charge fees and certain things.
I know that.
My agency does not.
Yeah.
I think.
I mean, it's it is a little like a gamble.
Listen, if you've been with us for 91 episodes now, you probably realize Kayla knows what
she's talking about.
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I know a couple of things, except how to give a proper intro or what we just discussed our
intro's name was.
But other than that.
Yeah.
But you know, you know, Parks and we're going to talk about a thing that frankly we've never,
ever talked about before.
I know it kind of has like a negative connotation.
You know, no dead zones, Disney dead zones.
But I don't know if I'd call it negative.
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Yeah, it's all negative.
It sounds like we're talking about like, you know, you get poor signal or no Wi-Fi.
That's not the that's not what we're talking about.
No, no, because that's pretty much that's pretty much the whole park.
I was like, you know, the one that brings that comes to mind the most is somewhere.
Soren, for some reason, when you're in the queue at Soren.
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Oh, it's because you're like it's because you're like a mile underground.
You know, you walk into Soren and you start going down the thing and you're like, we're
still going downhill.
By the time you get there, I'm like, how far underground am I?
Got no signal.
I got no nothing.
Where's another part that I get absolutely zero signal?
That's another attraction.
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I feel like back in the day when we had to do the virtual queues and you had to find
a spot like there were only a few select places in the park that you were like, I can trust
that I had.
Yeah, you know, I remember we did it once.
We did it in the pyramid.
And I was, you know, it was it was a little bit of roulette for me, right?
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Because I'm like, well, we're higher up.
So there's not as many obstructions except we're in a big metal box.
Well, a big metal pyramid.
And but it worked great.
It was one of the best ones.
And we were trying to get it right at the time that the lounge was closing.
So they were trying to get everybody out like, please go away.
And it was us and like some other group and you could tell what we were doing.
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We were all and we won.
And then the cast member cheered for us, too.
That was cool.
Oh, my goodness.
It was a good day.
This episode isn't about virtual queues, but I will say that virtual queues are also dead
for now until another attraction opens up.
I've made my feelings clear on this for years now.
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Well, Guardians of the Galaxy back in twenty twenty two had the virtual queue and it's
had it for what, three years, the whole time.
Years.
It's had it for the whole time.
And in my opinion, it's worked very well.
So why we need to screw up something that works.
Well, I don't know.
But here's the bottom line.
Let me just say this.
Let me just say this about virtual queues.
I want to get I want to get this off my chest because I've brought it up many times.
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Why am I such a big fan?
Because I feel like Disney is leaving money on the table when you force people into a
line where they can't spend any money.
The businessman in you is just like, this doesn't make sense.
Well, I mean, the business part of that doesn't make any sense.
And the part where it's hey, let's just stand in line for fun when we know we have a viable
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alternative out there.
That doesn't make any sense either.
Right.
It's not a great guest experience.
Certainly not a good economic experience.
I just don't get it.
Now.
I trust that they have run some numbers.
Right.
But they do.
Yeah.
And I think there's probably the guest experience.
But I feel like I feel well.
And I think that's what it is.
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I think that the complaints about virtual queue is the tail that's wag the dog.
But just like a press event that I was at this morning where everyone was worried about
a bunch of protesters, how many people showed up to protest?
Four.
OK.
And I'm sure what I think one of them was even paid.
Right.
That's just not the thing.
Just because someone speaks really loudly or even even those surveys.
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I just you know what's going to happen instead is they're going to raise prices elsewhere.
They're going to continue to raise those prices.
So now what they do is you get out of the virtual queue, which was free.
You hate standing in the regular line.
And guess what?
Now the individual lightning lanes to be set of being twenty dollars is now thirty five
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dollars.
That's what's going to happen.
Mark my words.
OK.
Not a good experience for any.
If anyone's not sure what we're talking about for the last several years, for many of the
attractions, new attractions, you would get you wouldn't actually go stand in a line.
You had to digitally or on your app get in line for some of these rides.
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And now no more.
Now you just go stand in line or you pay.
I can understand in today's age why people complain about that.
Oh, I can't work the app.
OK, look, it's 1993.
Get with the program.
Right.
Like we've been doing this for a long time now.
If you can't work your phone with your glued to 24 7, that's on you.
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My goodness.
All right.
Did you get it all off your chest?
I feel like you might need a deep breath.
Yeah.
As long as you don't bring up as long as you don't bring up Tom Sawyer Island, I'll be
OK.
Well, let's let's talk about our topic and move forward.
Good old Tom.
You should just go read that book.
Maybe that would that would fill the gaps.
That book's not very good.
Hard to read.
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You know, all that that difficult language of the.
I just never liked the story that she left on Sawyer Island.
That doesn't make sense.
I don't need the story for the island.
The islands.
It's like a utopia.
It's a Zen for Tom Sawyer.
He never showed up there.
I feel like you should like it.
So he never showed up there.
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Oh, my gosh.
This is very revealing.
OK, well, let's talk about what I wanted to discuss.
And that is areas in the parks or.
Yeah, these are all in the parks or near the parks that are dead zones.
In other words, people don't go there.
Nothing ain't nothing going on.
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If if like literally a tumbleweed could like be rolling around in that area.
That's what would be happening.
And for me, it's like this last opportunity.
There's so much foot traffic.
There's honestly it would be helpful if we spread out a little bit more people.
And there's places that we just don't want to spread out to because it's just this bad
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vibe.
This is what's amazing.
The question you should be asking yourself is how is this possible?
There's no one here.
Yeah.
Like, how is it possible?
This whole big, huge park.
There's so many people here, thousands, tens of thousands of people in this park.
And you'll find yourself in one of these spots where you could be by yourself.
Even it's possible because I've done it.
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Well, let's start with with Magic Kingdom.
So in Magic Kingdom, this is at Disney World.
I do have one at Disneyland.
You want to start Disneyland?
You want to do Magic Kingdom?
Oh, I don't know Disneyland as well anymore.
Well, I changed so much since I was let's just do my quick Disneyland one.
So this is in California for me, the dead zone and like the like, like I got to get
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out of here.
Space is the Esplanade, especially in the middle of the day.
You know, I'm talking about the spot between the two parks.
Oh, yeah.
They call that it's the Esplanade.
That's where you are either going into DCA or you're going in Disneyland.
You know what I mean?
Like, I feel like I'm like, you know, when you're park hopping and you're like, OK, I'm
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going to go from this park to this park.
But in the middle of the day, like there's bad vibes there.
You're like, oh, I got it.
I got to get out of this.
I got to go get into a park.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't feel bad vibes.
I'm going to another park.
No, I don't like it.
It's there's a little bit of energy and excitement in the morning.
Like, yeah, we're all waiting.
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We're going to get in or whatever.
In the middle of the day, though, I'm like, oh, it's scary out here.
I got to go.
It's the opposite.
I don't like it in the morning because there's so many people in the way.
This is going to be an afternoon.
I'm like, this is great.
This is great.
I get to just walk right across and go into the other park.
I don't know.
I wouldn't call that a dead zone.
There's so many people out there.
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Maybe I'm still living off the last trip that you and I had at Disneyland and you were so
upset about not being able to find that shake, that blood orange shake.
And then we went and that was such a bummer.
I just had some bad vibes in my heart.
It was such a bummer.
I couldn't believe how hard it was to find a delicious shake.
OK, go to go to our whistle while you work podcast on Instagram.
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Let me know.
I'm not the only one that like that esplanade, especially midday, it's got bad vibes.
But let's just go to Magic Kingdom.
I think you'll have stuff to say about this bad vibes.
That's like when you get outside of the Esplanade and you're out there with the protesters,
the people that are doing some weird stuff, weird things.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Last time we got accused of being magicians and witchcraft.
Yeah.
Remember that one?
I was like, wow.
I mean, I know I was born there, but those are not my people.
Yeah.
I mean, the bubble is very small at Disneyland.
But even within the bubble at the Esplanade, to me, it is a dead zone.
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OK, let's move forward.
I was thinking to tell you the truth.
I thought of a dead zone.
I thought actually be more like over in Disney, California Adventure, which is the concourse
over there next to the the River Rapids ride and the entrance to the Grand California.
There's nobody over there.
Yeah, it's so weird.
That park is so congested and dense everywhere else except for that spot.
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There's never anybody over there.
Yeah.
To me, that's the dead zone.
OK, all right.
And it's actually kind of nice.
You feel like you're in a forest.
Yeah, I've got to say it's like warm and like it's giving you a hug type of feeling.
I think your definition of dead zone is not the same as my definition of dead zone.
That's going to make this an interesting episode.
OK.
All right.
Finally, Magic Kingdom.
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MarlLand specifically the old Stitch's Great Escape or whatever it was called.
Like it's just like if tumbleweed was blowing around, there would be tumbleweed blowing
around in there like no one's over there.
And that tumbleweed would get caught up in someone's stroller.
It's so many strollers.
Because that's where all the strollers park in Tomorrowland.
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You know what I mean, though?
Like that is prime real estate.
There's so many imaginative people in that company and it's just been empty for like
a decade.
Yeah.
I consider that a dead zone and it's wasted space.
I mean, that is like prime real estate, like the entrance area Tomorrowland.
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Yeah, I would agree.
You know, to tell you the truth, the real dead zone that I think is actually storybook
circus.
Storybook circus.
You're talking about the splash pad?
Yeah.
You get past the splash pad, you got that tent back there.
There's the railroad entrance like never really ever over there.
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Yeah.
Maybe it's because everything closes at like two in the afternoon.
I don't know.
But, you know, yeah, to me that's the dead zone back over there.
Or, you know, the place immediately outside of it, right, which is where you're back there
in New Fantasyland near Ariel's Grotto.
Nothing over there.
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Nothing going on.
Yeah.
You get near Gaston's Tavern.
Nothing really going on over there.
It's so strange to me because you walk into the middle of Fantasyland and you can't even
get through the crowd because of how many people there are.
You just walk a little bit past Beast's Castle and all of a sudden you're like, where'd everybody
go?
Right.
Yeah.
I guess they built out that part of what they called New Fantasyland so much.
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That's why those things close so early.
That's why Gaston's Tavern doesn't stay open till nine o'clock.
That's why the souvenir tent in storybook circus closes like at five or six.
You know, and look, that's a great little place.
If you ever wanted to beat the crowd over at the confectionary, like go over to the
tent at storybook circus.
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They have almost all of the same treats from the case.
You can get fresh made caramel popcorn.
You can get a lot of the same stuff over there.
Werther stuff.
And there's no lime.
And you can find a spot to eat.
Like there are a few chairs and tables or you can just, we've just sat on the ground
inside there, which is nice and cool.
Yeah, I get your dead zones.
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I feel like my dead zone is, it's just stark and cold.
There's nothing to look at.
There's nothing to do.
Okay.
Yours at least, I feel like there's colors in my music.
So I'll raise you this one then.
What's the place, what's the name of the place there where the dessert buffet takes place?
Oh gosh, yes.
I mean.
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The Tomorrowland Terrace.
Yeah, Tomorrowland Terrace.
The orange chairs.
It's so bad.
I don't even know the name of it.
Okay.
They do nothing with it all day long.
Talk about prime real estate.
Absolutely nothing whatsoever.
I mean really you guys can't serve food like there's so many chairs and stuff set up.
But they use it just for that dessert thing in the evening.
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I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Tomorrowland needs work.
Yeah.
Tomorrowland's yesterdayland apparently now, but it's like 80s land really to me.
70s, 80s.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let's, I'm going to skip to the one that really inspired this whole episode.
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I mean I'm not skipping in your mind.
It's just a skip on my list here.
But the one that just really bothers me to no end.
You're going to Epcot aren't you?
No.
Well, it's the one in Hollywood Studios where that Little Mermaid show or movie or whatever
it used to be over by like there's the Disney Junior show.
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Anyway, it's not far from one man's dream and you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
The Little Mermaid show.
There's not a show there anymore right now.
There's not a show over there.
Not currently.
I think they said they're going to do another one, but who knows.
You can meet some Star Wars characters if you go further.
Okay.
So you're talking over the Star Wars launch bay.
Yes.
That's it.
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Yes.
I agree.
What in the world is going on?
In fact, you're so right about this one.
I really was convinced that's where they were going to put Monsters University.
Because there's so much room that's not being used.
Not only so much room, but the building already was in the right shape and made sense for
that, right?
Instead of taking over where the Muppets are and trying to crowd more people over into
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a spot where there's already too many people.
There's just already too many people over there.
Oh yeah, let's just keep crowding them in.
Great idea.
Instead we've got prime real estate, nothing going on over there.
It really is.
It's in the middle of the park.
It's very central to everything, I think.
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But to me, it kind of goes along with my issue with Stitch is there's nothing to look at,
there's nothing to see over there.
There's no purpose in walking in there.
No.
I mean, yeah, okay, there's some character meet and greets, but meh.
Yeah, I think it's Chewie and BB-8 or something is back in that Star Wars area.
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But very limited times for that too, if I'm not mistaken.
It's not like it's an all day, you get to meet them.
Who cares about meeting a robot that can't talk?
Maybe some people do.
I don't know.
Is that what noise he makes?
I don't know, he's just rolling around.
Do you have any other ones you want me to just keep doing my list?
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Do you have anything else in Hollywood Studios?
The other one in Hollywood Studios for me actually, it gets later in the day when this
happens but that whole section over there in front of Backlot Express, Indiana Jones.
So actually when you were talking about the bad juju sort of feelings and stuff, I don't
like that spot over there at all.
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So we're talking basically immediately in front of where you'd go in for the Frozen
sing along, you've got the Indiana Jones stunt spectacular, you've got Backlot Express which
is a maybe semi underrated quick service area but nobody goes there because you just don't
want to be over there.
Star tours look an attraction that nobody goes to and I really think why does nobody
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go to it?
It's location.
It's just in a weird spot where there's just no reason to be over there so I'm not going
to go.
Well you can naturally cut through like the ABC commissary or go any other direction.
Yeah everyone likes to go down these small narrow alleyways instead of this huge promenade
which is what you have right out there.
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But maybe they feel the bad juju.
Maybe they call it bad juju something.
Voodoo mama juju.
Okay so I think that was my last one in Hollywood Studios.
I think let's go to Epcot, you and I kind of mentioned this one earlier but it's the
Mission to Mars area.
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Yeah that's also that area.
There's two things there.
You've got the mission space.
Mission space is the attraction.
And you have space 220 the restaurant.
I don't know but I was just I wasn't going to correct you directly I was just saying
mission space anyways.
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This is true love.
It's weird.
There's nobody there.
It is so cool.
Like that planet looks amazing it's like this giant statue of Mars right?
Isn't it Mars?
Maybe that's why I said that.
I think you could I don't know.
I threw up the one time we probably maybe the one time we were going to Mars that's
the one time I threw up and had a vaccine.
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I just now that now that you've got guardians kind of is breathing some light light life
over into that area of Epcot but I just feel like I can't get out of there fast enough.
I'm like I have nothing to do maybe because there's no shade.
That's probably another big factor.
Yeah there's no shade whatsoever.
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Food over there.
That's worth getting I don't think.
But it is it is absolutely a bizarre kind of place almost like Canada and the World
Showcase where there's never anybody there either and you're like I don't know if I'm
supposed to be here.
Am I welcome?
Is this is this okay?
Yeah that's a good comparison.
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Not an indictment on your country Canada but that's how I feel in the World Showcase like
I'm not welcome.
Yeah maybe it's all the construction.
And then even when you go to the O Canada show you're like in there and you're waiting
for it and you're like is this a thing like are we supposed to do this?
Like you're in this like underground like little cabin.
Well then even if you get inside there you don't have a lot to sit down.
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Yeah.
Give us a seat.
We're hospitable.
We're living in a society.
The Canadians are like we didn't build it.
They're out there chopping lumber.
So but I agree with you completely on this one.
And I think what's the what's the building that is completely unused is the old universe
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of energy building or something like that.
It's over in that whole corner.
So this is that whole spot that we're talking the spherical like dome.
I think it's a dome shaped building.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's not the part that is attached to the Guardians attraction.
That was a different universe of something.
This is the other one.
We don't know our history at Epcot.
(21:54):
Sorry people.
Well I didn't go back.
I didn't go back then.
Yeah.
Right.
And but the building's still there and you know I look at that building you know what
I think of.
I think of Jurassic Park.
Oh yeah.
After they all abandoned the island and then they came back and like everything had overgrown
like I feel like if I walked in that building T-Rex is waiting for me.
(22:14):
Right.
There might be some dinosaur eggs.
Yep.
Uh huh.
Okay.
That's what I'm feeling like.
Okay.
Maybe that's what they're going for.
Maybe that's a universal property.
Okay.
So I asked this on on our Instagram.
You know I was asking if if there are people that that have to err.
(22:36):
I was crowd sourcing opinions on dead zones at Disney World and someone my friend Lisa
talked about the cut through between test track and World Showcase.
Yep.
It's sometimes there's that building that has like something.
So there used to be stuff in there.
There used to be like both a quick service and they had a exhibit and a display and then
(22:57):
it gets closed down and then they do something and then they open it up for something else
and they close it back down.
Yeah.
I'm talking about the cut through like when you're trying to get to Mexico like over.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's bathrooms over there.
That's usually the only reason I walk over there is for those restrooms.
And those restrooms are they've been there since the park opened in 82.
I don't think they've changed anything.
They were there when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
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You know sometimes you go into a Disney bathroom you're like this is impressive.
This is nice and whatever.
But anyway.
But yeah I don't know why it's just I think maybe we're all just.
It seems like you should want to like hang out.
There's like water to look at and there's a bridge and it's kind of quiet from the chaos
of the park.
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But it's like no get me through this.
I think there's quite a few dead zones in Epcot honestly and that has a lot to do with
its size.
You know another one that in my opinion is pretty spooky is the one on the far side of
Spaceship Earth kind of walking towards the park exit.
You know like at night time when you're walking out that way like it's a little bit dark like
(24:02):
it's darker than it feels like in other places.
Like I'm always kind of looking around my shoulder like is someone going to mug me over
here like in the middle of Epcot.
Like that's what I feel like the main entrance.
Yeah but but this is it's not the main entrance part.
This is like off to the side side back kind of weird corner of Spaceship Earth.
OK.
So if you're coming away from what used to be the land pavilion and you're walking out
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that way and you're going around Spaceship like it's just it's a little it's a little
spooky to me.
It's a dead zone.
Well that I mean that was on my list too.
It was just the entrance of Epcot.
It's just so you're talking about in front of the turnstiles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like there's a yeah.
So in front of the in front of the gate you know basically in between the parking lot
(24:49):
and the gate and you've got the monorail entrance and everything.
Yeah that is no good.
It's no good.
Why you know it's just like I feel like the Imagineers are so good at like making things
warm or welcoming or putting this and maybe that's kind of the spirit.
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It's like this cold space futuristic future.
It used to be called future.
What was it future world.
The front side of Epcot.
You're looking at me like you don't know.
But anyway but you're about to find out.
We're about to find out.
Yeah I don't know.
It does it just feels very does feel very transactional up there towards the front.
(25:34):
Well and it's like it's it's a blessing because you need space for that many people to inundate
an area when the park opens right.
But it just still seems like there's still too much space.
There's plenty of space in outer space.
OK.
Let's talk about it.
And you're world.
It's a thing.
I'm not making it up.
It's called future world.
It was a thing.
(25:54):
Anyway you're right.
It was a thing.
Now everything's the land this and this that I don't know.
I just don't even know what they're called.
Yeah I don't I don't their neighborhoods.
It's like the world of because it's supposed to be world showcase and then it's like the
world of the sea and the world of I don't know.
All right.
I'm looking it up while you think their communities now.
(26:16):
Is it.
I don't know.
Keep going.
Yes.
Yes something.
Well I was going to move on to animal kingdom.
Yeah I have one there too.
I mean like all of animal kingdom kind of fits in a little bit.
I mean what is there a specific spot you want to talk about.
Yeah I want to talk about the spot basically in between Expedition Everest and going towards
(26:42):
what used to be the little carnival area back there.
What did they call that place.
Dinoland USA.
Yeah I never hung out there.
That was on my list.
Well you know they're given that whole thing a makeover but I'm talking about the space
in between which is the part that contains the theater for the Nemo show.
Oh yeah.
I mean what in the blazes is happening over there.
(27:04):
He's up in he's up in Everest right above it.
I mean it could be he comes down and just like eats the people.
He ate them.
That's why you can't find them turning into a horror show.
Well you'll feel that way if you walk over there.
I just I just it's one of those where you're like there's nobody here.
(27:25):
How can there be nobody here.
And you get the same sort of thing as you're walking in between Africa and Pandora.
If you take that journey right there.
That one doesn't bother me going past the Harambe house which is the club 33.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know there's just nobody there.
And you look at Africa the way they've put it together so well and it's a complete you
(27:49):
know they they themed it so well you're like I'm in a third world country and those wires
are going to electrocute me.
Right.
They're not even real but they feel like they're going to electrocute.
It did a really it's it's so well done.
So well done that you know if you sent a permit inspector out there they'd red tag it and
they'd say this isn't good enough.
You have to do better and you're like it's just a prop like I don't believe you.
(28:12):
I think you know kind of a theme for all of these is some of these places were describing
there's no live entertainment.
There's not good music.
I mean the fact that there's no people there too is also a problem.
But there might be no people there because there is nothing.
Yeah that's the thing when I'm like inviting when I'm talking and I don't want to say it's
not warm and inviting over there in between Everest and old dino land.
(28:37):
Right.
The foliage it's nice it's beautiful you know it's clean.
It's clean because there's nobody there.
But like you don't hear anything either.
Not only do you not see any people but like you just don't even hear anything.
You're not hearing the screams from Everest or anything else because the Yeti ate them.
That's it.
(28:57):
I think we figured it out.
The Yeti ate them.
We're going to get a new rating on our podcast.
Ten stars.
No not rating.
I mean like they're going to call us PG 13 or something.
Well I missed what I was going to say.
Animal Kingdom.
Where's your spot?
Well I was now I got it now I got a backup just a second for Epcot.
(29:18):
It's called World Discovery World Nature World Celebration and World Showcase.
Yeah that doesn't make sense but okay.
So just like getting rid of virtual cues didn't make sense.
World Nature.
Naming conventions.
World Nature must be where the land pavilion is.
World Discovery is probably like in the middle and then Celebration is over with Test Track.
(29:40):
I don't know.
Anyway.
I'm just going to keep calling it the land pavilion.
Oh my goodness.
Well I guess my other thing at Animal Kingdom though that I just don't have like this great
(30:00):
feeling is the parking lot.
Like I have like a good feeling.
It sounds stupid but like in Hollywood studios you see the gondolas and like I don't know
it's just it doesn't bother me.
Maybe it's because I'm not already seen.
Like it bothers me that I can see Pandora from the Animal Kingdom parking lot.
It bothers me that I can see the theater that Flight of Passage is in in the parking lot.
(30:26):
Now I know in Epcot you can see the Guardians of the Galaxy building where the ride is but
they've painted it that no see him blue and honestly you really can't notice you know
right.
Yeah.
You're right.
Here you are seeing floating islands and you're like what's going on with it takes away the
magic to me when you can.
It feels like just a normal carnival like you know I mean obviously Magic Kingdom does
(30:50):
the best because it is a big buildup lead up to getting to the magic.
And then what's the other park.
Yeah.
So anyway I talked about the other one.
Wouldn't it have been really interesting if they'd put Pandora back somewhere else.
Yeah.
Couldn't see it from the front.
Yeah.
Maybe that part I just do you know what I'm saying about that parking lot.
(31:12):
I just don't have great feelings.
Again it's like it's like the it's like the part where I feel like I'm going to get mugged
next to Spaceship Earth right.
Like it's just a big it's just a big giant parking lot and you kind of feel a little
bit alone out there.
You know that's what's interesting too.
This is always what I think so interesting when you come to the park in the morning and
(31:33):
you park in the parking lot you come in with a lot of people when you leave you always
you're out there all by yourself.
I know where all these other people have gone to.
But how am I all by myself out here.
That's because you're park you know open to close or something maybe.
But yeah I remember what I was going to say.
(31:53):
So the whole the whole like positive spin on this episode is that if you're an introvert
and you need like decompression you should just go to all of these dead zone spots we
described described and you can go and like chill chill.
You might have bad vibes there but at least it'll be quiet and yeah don't chill in the
parking lot.
That's weird.
(32:14):
That's right.
But I don't know like I you know why aren't we focused so much on the amazing attractions
and the things that have such good energy and good vibes and people are just happy and
they're talking to strangers in the line because you're just in this good mood and then you
get some of these areas and you're like what happened.
(32:34):
So yeah it is interesting.
I just think it's interesting.
I'm trying to think if there's any other spot.
I was thinking in Disney Springs.
Well there there's a lot in Disney Springs.
Disney Springs.
Yeah that's another place that you it's just kind of weird sometimes depending on where
you are.
The times of day.
(32:55):
It does come alive at night a lot of the restaurants have live entertainment and that helps.
Anyway well I hope this was entertaining and maybe a little helpful again for those introverts
but I had fun just kind of exploring this topic and you know who knows in 10 years we'll
look back and they've recognized that they could change things and then maybe they'll
(33:17):
change some of these areas of the park and although they're probably new areas that have
dead zones.
Good luck.
Thank you.
Stop it.
I see dead people.
Stop it.
Now we're really gonna have to edit this.
I'm not editing anything.
Oh my goodness.
All right well thanks for joining us.
You guys have a good one.
(33:38):
Bye.
Yes.
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