SWIFTLY Stolen- Bangladesh Bank Hack

This week we sit down to discuss how a broken printer led to a huge hit on a nation's economy when the Bank of Bangladesh was hacked to the tune of $81MM, but it could have been a lot more than that. Find out the circumstances that led to the hack and how the money was cleaned before being shipped to one of the craziest countries out there.

Episode Transcript

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Find out more on this week's episode of.
White collars. Red hands.
We have all heard of the hero Robin Hood, the fictional
character who steals from the rich and gives to the poor.
But what if someone steals from the poor and gives to the rich?

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That's a diabolical tale indeed.And that's exactly what happened
when hackers made their way intothe Bangladesh central bank's
systems and attempted to purge the country of almost every
penny that they had. Who would do such a thing?
Will the criminals ever face justice?
Find out on this week's episode of White Collars, Red Hands.

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No, no, I'm pretty sure a reverse Robin Hood is just every
company. Yes, or at least most companies.
Yeah, that's true. Very fair.
Most of the things we talk about.
Yeah, it's just consumerism in general is getting people to
spend money they don't have on dumb shit.
Yeah, and then giving it to people who already have way too
much money. You know what?
You're right, and I fall for it every time.

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Welcome back to another episode of White Collar's Red Hands.
I'm Krishan and I'm Naina and today we are going out of the
country for a little bit and we are going to Bangladesh.
Whoa. Where's Bangladesh?
India. Yeah.
Well, it's, it's right by India.Yeah, good job.
Wow, Krishan is not very good at.
Southeast Asia. Yes, good job, Good job.

(01:53):
I really thought you were not going to get it.
Yeah, I have the cardinal directions even.
Good job. Yes, proud of you.
Don't ask me anything else aboutit this.
Episode Well, that's all right. So like like Krishan said,
Bangladesh, it is the country that is nestled on the east side
of India has a population of 171.5 million people.

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Dhaka, the capital of Bangladeshis home to 17 million people.
It is a very poor city where a third of the population survives
on less than $2.00 per day. It's always crazed to me how
dense the populations are in these like.
Oh yeah, it's crazy. I mean.
Biggest city in America is New York, 8.7, something like that.

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Yeah, 8.3 million people. So it's just crazy.
I think 17 million people all all in one city.
So Dhaka is 125 square miles in New York City is 469 square
miles. So you've got a lot more people
shoved into Dhaka than New York.And it's like, what?

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It's 1/4 of 1/4 of the size, buttwo times the people.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
And people say New York is like super packed.
Bangladesh is actually a relatively new country.
They gained their independence in 1971.
Since gaining independence, they've had the regular growing
pains of a new country, including political instability,

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reconstruction of the economy and social transformation.
Bangladesh does have one of the world's fastest growing
economies. Their GDP grew 6.4% from 2010 to
2023. So they're, you know, not a rich
country by any means, but. They're on their way up.

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They're doing better. Start from the bottom.
Now we're here. Exactly.
Now we're here. And although Bangladesh has seen
growth over the last decade, they are not in an economy that
it can afford to lose money. So it was a day like any other
day at the Bangladesh Central Bank.
The office was running smoothly.And then suddenly the printer

(04:05):
stops working at 8:45 AM. Oh man.
Had they tried turning it off and turning it back on again?
We'll get to that part. All right.
Seems like a simple fix. Zuber Binhuda, the duty manager
thought nothing of the printer. No, he was like thought nothing
of it. He was like no well they did
printer problems before and I know at my school pretty much I

(04:28):
think every job ever the printeris a disaster.
Such an old device, so many problems still.
Yeah, fix that please. We really are all the same.
We can. We all can have that in common.
Every country in the world are. Printers at work don't work and
you know what? The printer didn't work, but
they carried on business as usual.

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Later, he told the police. Quote Such glitches had happened
before, so we assumed it was a common problem just like any
other day. Bangladesh is home to many
Muslims. 150 million out of the 171.5 million people in the
country are Muslim. And by 11:00 AM it was time for

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Friday prayers. Ben Huda had left for the
afternoon and they concluded. He and his colleagues concluded
that they would fix the printer the following day.
When he returns to work the nextday, he finds that the printer
is still having issues. He and his Co workers reboot the
printer and that is when they find out that the unthinkable

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had happened. The printer starts printing
urgent messages from New York Federal Reserve Bank. the Fed
had been asked to drain Bangladesh Citibank's account.
This is when they discovered that when the employees of the
Bangladesh Citibank went home, hackers broke into the computer
system. Now, how on earth were the

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hackers able to infiltrate an entire country's banking system?
Well, it sounds like the IT department can't even get to a
ticket to fix the goddamn printer, so it's probably that.
That could be it. So it was discovered that the
hackers had sent an infected e-mail to employees of the
company, which they used to collect passwords and usernames

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of the employees. They were also able to hack into
the bank's SWIFT account, which is a system that is used to send
money and and messages around the world.
Now SWIFT, which stands for Society for Worldwide Interbank
Financial Telecommunication, is a banking system that was

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developed in 1973, just when Bangladesh was only two years
old. Like I said before, it's
basically a messaging system that is used for banks to
communicate with one each other and they give messages about
sending money and this is used all over the world.
Over 200 companies use this system.
Also, I can't believe you think that people in Bangladesh would

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be very familiar with phishing scams, because that's probably
where a lot of them start. Yeah, but I But they still got
fooled by this. So funny.
Yeah. Now SWIFT does not manage the
accounts. Like, you know, the bank is
using SWIFT to communicate with the other banks, but SWIFT does
not manage their accounts or anything like that.
It's truly just a messaging system.

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And although that SWIFT boasts that is it is extremely secure,
they have come under scrutiny for how secure they actually
are. Like, they're like, you're not
as secure as you say you are. Now, the hackers had sent 35
requests for transactions from Bangladesh's bank account to the
Federal Reserve Bank in New YorkCity, where they had about a

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billion dollars in their bank account.
The the 35 requests totaled $951million.
Most of the requests were blocked but four did get
through. The four that went through
totaled $81,000,000 and they were sent to the RCBC Bank which

(08:04):
is located in the Philippines. There was also request for $20
million that was sent to Sri Lanka, but that money was
recovered when the $20 million was requested from Sri Lanka.
One of the clerks found the amount of money that was being
transferred suspicious and they held the order and then they
went to the Deutsche Bank, whichnot totally clear on why they

(08:27):
went to the Deutsche Bank. They must have some sort of
control. I don't want to say control, but
like I. Mean Deutsche Bank is a very
large bank. Yeah.
So they went to Deutsche Bank and they held the order to make
sure everything was OK. Upon further inspection,
Deutsche Bank found that the word foundation was misspelled.

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So they contacted the BangladeshBank and were able to stop the
order. The reason that many of these
transfers from New York City didn't go through and cause way
more chaos than it was actually caused was because the RCBC bank
that was in the Philippines thatit was being transferred to was
on Jupiter Street. Now the word Jupiter flagged the

(09:13):
system because it's the name of an Iranian oil tanker, which has
nothing to do with the heist, but the US had sanctions on
Iran. So this so because this is the
name of an oil tanker and they had that word in there to flag
it, it flagged Jupiter. And this little coincidence

(09:34):
saved Bangladesh. Probably they sang, saved
Bangladesh hundreds of millions of dollars.
How much word salad is getting blocked then?
It's Jupiter, I mean. I know I could think of at.
Least three other things that are named Jupiter so.
The Planet, Yeah. What are the other two things?

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Notebooks, you're not going to get that reference, but yeah,
I'm. Not.
And it's also where boys go to get more.
Stupid. Stupider.
Yeah. OK, so I knew two of them.
I knew of them. However, there were other
suspicious things about the transfers, one being that the
transfers were being sent to individual people instead of
organizations and that they weren't formatted correctly.

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The Federal Reserve Bank was concerned about the transfers
and tried to contact Bangladesh Bank on Thursday using using
SWIFT and then tried again twiceon Friday.
However, the hackers had actually hacked into the printer
and shut it down, so that's why it wasn't printing.

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So it took until Saturday for the Bangladesh Bank central bank
to realize what had happened. And then because it was
Saturday, they were not able to get messages to New York City
until Monday that they had figured out that they had been
hacked. Then they can hack into a
printer. They can steal millions of
dollars. Can't spell the word foundation

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or fire up fire up Grammarly or spell check or.
Something I will say, this happened in all happened in
February of 2016. OK, they they had tools that
would spell check. Foundationally back then 'cause
I used Grammarly in college. Exactly so.
The Bangladesh Bank also reachedout to the Philippines to let

(11:24):
them know what was going on. However, this happened during
the Lunar New Year which is a non working holiday in the
Philippines so the message was not conveyed in an adequate
amount of time. The money had been sent to and I
apologize if I say this wrong. The money had been sent to
Riesel Commercial Banking Corporation, better known as

(11:45):
RCBC, which is the 5th largest bank in the Philippines.
The money had been deposited into personal accounts.
Like I said, the whole thing wasfishy.
They just needed to find out whois behind it.
All the money that went into theaccounts were opened by using
fake IDs. The hackers sent requests like

(12:06):
I'm so I'm just going over on how this happened.
Those the money, the money that the accounts went into were open
with fake I DS. The hacker sent payment requests
from Bangladesh to New York on Thursday.
By Friday morning, the money hadhit the accounts in at RCBC near
Manila, which is the capital or one of the big cities in the

(12:27):
Philippines. It was then moved between
multiple accounts that were controlled by Phil R.E.M.
We're going to talk more about that in a second, which is a
remittance company. The money was then moved
electronically and in then in cash to Manila's casino

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industry. OK, I'm going to go now deeper
into the little details. So Maya Diquito was a former
bank manager at RCBC in Jupiter,on Jupiter Street, I should say,
which was located in an affluentneighborhood in the Philippines.
The Philippine government said that she knowingly went against

(13:09):
bank policies so that the scandal could be carried out,
and that she knowingly went against protocol to make the
accounts. But why would a bank manager go
against protocol to make fake accounts?
Some say that she was corroborating with questionable
people. The Guido had met with Kim Wong,

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a restaurateur and president of Eastern Hawaii Leisure Company
Wong, who is from Hong Kong. Hong Kong Wong.
Hong Kong Wong. I love Hong Kong, Wong.
We go way back. Yeah, a long, long time.
Long Wong. Me in Hong Kong, Wong.
OK, so Hong Kong Wong, He also ran casino junkets in Manila and

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he would bring in high rollers from China to gamble at the
casinos and he would provide theChinese high rollers with chips
and then he would take a cut of their winnings.
All right. Now when Daquito met with Wong
in May of 2015, he introduced her, so allegedly introduced her
to some Filipino associates and she set them up with bank

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accounts at Jupiter at the Jupiter branch.
However, in court RCBC claimed that these clients never existed
and that the accounts were opened fraudulently.
The account sat inactive for about 8 months and then
magically became active on February 5th, 2016.

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A Co worker claims that they sawDe Gito stuffing $400,000 into a
paper bag and then left with that bag the day of the heist.
When she arrived back to the office on February 9th after the
holiday weekend, she began moving the $81,000,000 that had
been deposited into the accounts.
One of the accountants said so this is when she transferred the

(15:04):
money to the remittance firm. Accounts that were held by Film
R.E.M. and the couple that owns Film R.E.M.
Are Michael and Salud Bautista? Sorry, she put 400K into a paper
bag. Yeah, but they're in Manila and
she didn't use an envelope. Listen, I can't.

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I can't make sense of everything.
She just, she really missed out on an opportunity like represent
your culture. Absolutely.
You know, show your people whereyou've come from.
Use an envelope. A Manila envelope.
Disappointing all around. That evening, a Courier from
Film R.E.M. testified that he took or that they I don't know

(15:49):
if it was male or female, that they took bags filled with 90
million Philippine pesos and $500,000 in US cash to the to a
casino. Upon arriving to the casino,
Wong, Salud, Batista and an associate of Wong's Wong's were
waiting for him. Then the money that the Courier

(16:10):
brought was gambled. It said that $30 million was
given to an associate of Wong's,$21 million was wired to Wong's
company, Eastern Hawaii, and then another 29 million was
wired to the Solaire Casino. OK, this is the casino where
they were gambling at. Wong claims that he only
received 13.5 millions and that the 5 million and that the

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Batistas got the rest of the money.
It's also noted that two of Long's gambling promoters, GAO
Shuha and Ding Jiji, who are believed to be from Macau,
China, received the cash. Now as the money was gambled
away, it was then turned into chips that then were turned into

(16:58):
cash again making the money untraceable.
The winners names were not registered and their winnings
were never claimed. This is a very common money
laundering tactic. Oh, BT dubs.
Yeah, it's just to take it to a casino and.
Gamble it. Yeah, RCBC Bank was fined $20

(17:22):
million from not comply for not complying to banking regulations
and multiple higher ups resigned.
So De Gito actually ended up in prison.
I've seen multiple sources that say she got 56 years in prison
and was ordered to pay a fine of$109 million.

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I do think she was part of the scandal because when the
transfers were sent to the RCBC,Diquito quickly approved them.
It. There's more than one person who
says I watched her. Well, not more than one person,
but there is a witness who says I saw her stuff and money in a
bag and I saw her transferring the money out of the accounts

(18:05):
and I would say it's a legitimate source.
I do think she was involved, butmany think that the whole story
was never uncovered due to the fact that Degino did not have
witness protection. Some people claim, and these are
people who are in the government.
I was watching an interview and one government official claimed
that it's believed that she was being threatened and that's why

(18:29):
she approved the funds. I mean.
It's hard to say. It seems like these people are,
yeah, unsavory at best. Oh yeah, 100%.
So do I? Yeah, I, I the the thought of
her being manipulated into something like this or
threatened into something like this is not out of the realm of

(18:49):
reason. No.
Well, especially if she didn't have like, a history of this
stuff, right? It's not from what I see.
No, because she was a career banker who worked her way up to
branch manager. I mean, I don't know why you
would F it up. Go work with gangsters.
Yeah. And it also sounds like she
wasn't being particularly sneaky.

(19:11):
Like someone saw her stuffing money into a bag and then making
transfers really quick and, like, knowing when the money
dropped and then just automatically moving it out.
Like kind of sounds panicked. And it kind of sounds like, I
don't know. I just feel like if you were
doing this on purpose, you mightbe a tad bit sneakier.
Yeah. I mean, I think people are

(19:33):
Dumber than you may give them credit for.
Yeah. But like I said, the money was
untraceable after it had been gambled.
And it was very hard for investigators to find the
missing money because the Philippines actually has secrecy
laws, really strict secrecy lawswith their bank accounts.
They have secrecy laws that are on par with Switzerland, which I

(19:54):
did not know. That's why people always hide
stuff in Swiss bank accounts, because the secrecy laws are so
strict. It's better now, yeah.
Yeah, they comply more now because people use it so much,
but yeah. Yeah.
Now, although many people in thecountry in the Philippines view
their secrecy bank secrecy laws as a good thing, it does make it
harder when there are crimes like this for investigators to

(20:16):
get to the bottom of the case. Gao Shuha and Ding Ji Ji are
thought to be part of the heist,like I said earlier.
However, given the digital evidence that has been presented
to investigators and the FBI, itis believed that North Korea may
be behind the entire heist. It's believed that once the

(20:38):
gamblers got back to Macau, China, where they were
originally from, that they transferred the money to
Pyongyang. Whoa, when did North Korea get
involved? Well, there's like, so I guess
there's digital evidence that believes that North Korea was
part of this. And then they think that these
two men got the money in cash from the casino.

(21:03):
They hadn't really figured out enough behind like what was
going on at that point to like for border control to be put up.
I was watching an interview and someone from the government in
the Philippines was saying that their border control is not
necessarily super secure. And he's like, you can really
easily pay people off to leave the country.
So he's like, it would have beenreally, really hard to catch

(21:25):
them anyways. So they they were from Macau,
China and they went. So they think they went back,
either wire transferred it or got a Courier and had them
deliver it directly to Pyongyang, which is crazy.
North Korea finding any way to do things except for feed their
population. No, literally what did they do

(21:45):
with that $81,000,000? So the reason that investigators
think this is because the codes that the hackers used in the
heist, they used this one code that basically erased their
tracks that made it look like there were no hackers to begin
with. Like when you would go back into
the system. I don't really understand how
this all works, but that's what they were saying.

(22:07):
So it erased their tracks. This same thing happened in 2014
when Sony Pictures was hacked, and North Korea is also thought
to be behind that. That was because of the
interview the Seth Rogen. The freaking.
Seth Rogen movie. Yes.
Yeah, no, I remember. That's why they they weren't

(22:28):
going to release the movie because they were like, if you
release the movie, we're going to steal all of your money or
some shit. Yeah.
And they got talked into releasing it in a small, in like
a small theatrical release because they were like, if you
don't, North Korea wins. I remember that.
And then they got hacked. And then they got hacked.
Yeah. Yeah.

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North Korea denies doing this, but they wouldn't admit to it
anyway. So yeah.
Yeah. But apparently it's the same
kind of code that they used to hack Sony.
So that's why they think North Korea might be behind it.
I actually watched that movie. It wasn't that great.
Yeah, it definitely wasn't enough to be like, like, you're
kind of upset about this North Korea, Like, come on.

(23:09):
No, it was not enough to get upset about, but they can't.
Like it was just gonna flop in theaters.
No, it was absolutely. It was not a good film.
But then they brought attention to it, so way more people
watched. It then, well, yeah, because
then people were like, well, if you.
So then they had to go see it. Although gambling is illegal in
North Korea, their government has always been really
interested in the casino industry and that is why that's

(23:32):
another reason why they think that they're behind all this.
They are into random stuff. Wait.
Sorry, the lines aren't connecting there.
What? So.
Just because they're into the casino industry.
They're like, oh, wow, Well, no,because of the way the hackers
hacked into the bank account or yeah, And then so that's why

(23:54):
they think. And then they're like, oh,
they're super interested in the casino industry as well.
So they think that that's all connected, that they were like,
yeah, go gamble the money so that it looks untraceable.
In that case, that's just a veryloose connection then.
That one is loose. I don't that's.
There's just a note. Shot in the dark there, but OK.

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I think that the hackers using the same code is a better guess.
Yeah, obviously. But this was also it.
And the money was sent. Noted in a New York Times
article. Money was wired to Pyongyang
like, I don't think, well, they.They think that's what happened
because the money was untraceable, so they're.
They never found any wire transfers to be like a large.

(24:37):
Amount not like from. Macau to Pyongyang.
For sure, because they also think that it might have been
carried there by a person. Oh well.
So out of all the money that wasstolen, only about 15,000,000
has been recovered now while is the one who turned over $15
million himself. The Bautista's have yet to give

(24:57):
back any money, but they have stood on the fact that they are
innocent and don't need to turn any of that cash in.
The rest of the money, like we had said earlier, has been
squandered away never to be seenagain.
Well, that we know of. It was seen somewhere, but not

(25:18):
in Bangladesh. And so this was how much did
they actually get out then? 81,000,000 but OK 81 - 15.
OK, but they could have got all 950.
Six, they could have gotten 900 and yeah, they could have gotten
almost a billion dollars had they not been stopped.
So, but $81 million still is going to hit a country like

(25:40):
Bangladesh really hard. Fair enough.
Yeah, they don't 66 million at the end of the day, that's
that's like a Twitter and 1/2. Yeah, that's fair.
Although the heist was absolutely detrimental to the
Bangladesh economy and it to thecountry as a whole.
Some regulations and laws have come from it across the world,
honestly. The Philippine government passed

(26:02):
new laws in 2017 making it harder to make for dirty money
to make its way through casino doors.
The country has also cracked down on money laundering as a
whole after the scandal broke. Considering that the fact that
the money laundering laws in Philippine, the Philippines was
so LAX and it's kind of why these hackers chose to gamble

(26:25):
their money there because they knew they weren't going to be
checking up on anything. Now back in the States, Carolyn
Maloney, AUS representative for New York, was deeply troubled by
the heist and demanded answers and that regulations be put into
place so something like this would never happen again.
She came out with a statement and said our cybersecurity is

(26:47):
only as strong as our weakest link and she questioned why
SWIFT was the only messaging system that was being used by
our banks. She noted that it was not only
unsafe to have one messaging system, but she also called
SWIFT to step up their security and ensure that banks first
ensure the safety of banks across the world.
And thanks to Maloney, the Fed had put in place a 24/7 hotline

(27:11):
to deal with these kind of emergencies that did not exist
before the Bangladesh Bank heist.
SWIFT also stepped up and took more security measures once the
heist happened. SWIFT noted that its weak spots
were at the personal level wherethey cannot keep users passwords
and usernames safe. SWIFT did make changes to their
system and to make and to make them more secure after the hack.

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There has been more attempts of hacking banks through SWIFT, but
none appear to be as successful as the Bangladesh Bank heist in
Bangladesh. Atur Rahman, he was the governor
of the bank at the time. He resigned from his position
after the heist. An investigator in Bangladesh

(27:55):
stated that there were security lapses that ultimately made the
bank vulnerable. But no one at the Bangladesh
Bank was arrested or found guilty of any crimes.
They remain steadfast in the fact that no one on their end is
to blame for the heist, and theyalso deny any negligence.
It is still not completely certain how the hackers got into

(28:17):
the system. It's believed that it was a
phishing e-mail. We're not 100% sure though.
The only real arrest made in this case was that of Maya de
Gito. Although she took the fall, many
more people are responsible for the events that occurred that
day. Today's story is very much like

(28:37):
that Spider man meme where the three spider man are like
pointing at each other trying tofigure out who the heck did it.
Personally, if I had to guessed,I do think that Wong convinced
Da Gito to open the fraudulent accounts and that the money is
hidden somewhere in either Chinaor North Korea.
However, today's episode shows how important cybersecurity is

(29:02):
and how many you should update your passwords when there's a
data breach. Although the culprits of today's
story were never found, change did come about because of this
disaster. Yeah, I bet you Swift just put
in two factor authentication. Yeah, that was basically what
happened. Back-to-back weeks, we have the
champion of two factor authentication.

(29:24):
Yeah, that is true. That's basically what they put
in place was that you couldn't just log in with your username
and password. You had to jump through a couple
more hoops. Especially from a new IP
address? Yep.
So yeah, I hate 2 factor authentication, however you say
that word. Authentication bro.
Authorization. Authentication.
Authentication. Yeah, do it well.

(29:46):
I hate that thing. OK.
I fucking hate it. We get it, you're old.
Just say. It's my one boomer.
Go drink your prune juice, you know, and say racist things.
No, I just don't think I need todo that when I'm trying to buy
protein powder. Oh my God, we're not doing this
again. No one wants to hear you

(30:06):
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If you hear of a white collar Crime Story and you think, Oh my

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gosh, Naina and Kashan should cover that, you can DM us on our
socials or you can e-mail us at [e-mail].
We tried to do a fan submitted episode every single season and
we would love to do yours next. And I think that's it.
Yeah, I don't know. You went super out of order so I
don't remember. I know my brain's kind of all

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over the place right now. Did.
You message her? What did you mention?
Our website? Contact us there.
Did you mention the e-mail? I mentioned the e-mail, Yeah,
you can also go to our website, walkcollarsredhands.com and.
Yeah, it's a leap to find that URL.
Yeah, and you can message us there.
You can, you can find links to our socials, all that good
stuff. Head shots are there.

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Yeah, you can see how. You want to download.
And mine's really outdated, I should update that.
Download some jpegs of our head shots.
You can. Don't do that.
You can. They're freely available.
You can and then you can do whatever you want to and
nothing's. So you don't say that.
You can plug it into an AI generation and make whatever you
want except for some things cuz now that's illegal so don't do
that. You can no longer make AI

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generated pornography from people.
It's illegal. That's fair.
It wasn't illegal until very recently, but now it's illegal,
so don't do that. OK, gross.
All right. Cuz I'm really tired of finding
videos with me online. Those weren't AI though.
You. Get mildly, you get mildly
famous and people start putting out videos of that, you know,

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come on man. And on that note, we'll see you
next week on another episode of White Collars, Red Hands.
I'd never do that with my feet, that's all I'm saying.