Ep 142 / Hunting & Photography: The Art of Capturing Nature with Nathan Robinson

Nathan Robinson, a talented photographer from New Brunswick, joins us to dive deep into the world of wildlife photography and hunting. Right off the bat, we chat about how his passion for capturing stunning images of moose and other wildlife has transformed his love for hunting into an art form. With his unique perspective, Nathan shares some fascinating insights about the challenges of photographing these majestic creatures and the rugged terrain of New Brunswick that shapes their habitat. Along the way, we toss around some witty banter about rifles, hunting stories, and the quirks of nature, making for a light-hearted yet informative conversation. So settle in, grab your favorite beverage, and enjoy the ride as we explore the intersection of art and the great outdoors with Nathan!

Diving deep into the wild and wonderful world of photography and hunting, this episode features Nathan Robinson, a talented photographer from New Brunswick, who shares his journey from avid hunter to wildlife photographer. We chat about the unique challenges of capturing moose and other wildlife through the lens. Nathan reveals how his passion for hunting evolved into a love for photography, allowing him to document not just the hunts, but the entire experience in nature. We also touch on the intricacies of hunting in New Brunswick, discussing the draw system for moose tags and the surprising resurgence of wild turkeys in the area. With plenty of light-hearted banter, we explore the camaraderie of hunters and why the essence of hunting goes beyond just the kill. By the end, listeners walk away with a newfound appreciation for the art of wildlife photography and the stories that come from spending time in the great outdoors.

Takeaways:

• Nathan Robinson's journey from avid hunter to wildlife photographer showcases the evolution of his passion, emphasizing the beauty of nature beyond just hunting.
• In New Brunswick, the moose hunting experience is deeply rooted in tradition, with a challenging lottery system that makes tags hard to come by.
• Our conversation reveals the importance of respecting animals, advocating for the use of terms like 'harvest' instead of 'kill' to foster better understanding with non-hunters.
• Photography is not just about capturing images; it's about telling stories of encounters in the wild, highlighting the art of patience and timing.
• The terrain in New Brunswick is a mix of rolling hills and rugged landscapes, where moose thrive, making it a unique hunting ground for enthusiasts.
• As technology evolves, the debate around drones in hunting continues, with Nathan advocating for responsible use while ensuring safety and wildlife preservation.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Waypoint
• Long Lake Adventures
• Salmon River Bend Outfitters
• xop

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage Podcast with.
Your host Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
I'm just.
I don't know what happenedright there.

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What is up guys?
I'm Brett Bowman and welcometo the Electron Campfire.
We are not politically correcton this show.
Strongly believe hunting is a brotherhood.
It goes hand in hand.
So we do a little hazing witheach other once in a while.
Sundays is our round table segment.
We cover a variety ofdifferent topics.
Tuesday is our state specificshow where we bring a guest that

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lives and hunts in that state.
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We record a slot machine.
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help share the show, help usgrow the show.
It's all we ask out there fromeverybody out there watching.
I do want to say, take asecond to say thank you to all the
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Thank you to all the policeofficers, the firefighters, nurses,

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the doctors, everybody inpublic service.
I want to say thank you to foryour service.
Now Today is Tuesday, April 1st.
A couple quick littlehousekeeping notes here.
We apologize for last week'sshow being late.
Usually we our shows getreleased on Mondays and Wednesdays
at 5am however, last week whenwe were releasing our Wednesday show,

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it didn't get released till Tuesday.
At some point we switched overfrom a new platform.
We're no longer part of Waypoint.
I got tired of them so I leftall their and we went to a different
platform.
So that's why I was late onthat one.
If you're wondering why therewas no episode on Monday, it was
because we had severethunderstorms and warnings and we

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had tornadoes coming through.
It was a clusterfuck andactually they're calling for worse
storms coming tomorrow in our area.
So we had to cancel the showfrom Sunday and that's it now.
Not for me.
Chappering.
Johnny's not going to be here tonight.
So we have Michael.

(02:12):
He was kind enough to submit,hunt, befriend or kill suggestions
for us on the show.
So thank you Michael for that.
And with that being said,let's bring everybody in for tonight.
What is up, Dave?
What's up man?
How you doing?
Good evening.
Hey guys.
So Johnny said he's on his way.
There's our guest, Nate fromso oh gosh, Johnny's gonna be here.

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I don't know how I'm gonnahandle that.
How's it going, Nate?
Nate, thank you for coming onthe show, brother.
Yeah, thanks guys.
Doing well.
Thank you for having me.
Fantastic.
Might be a little slow becausea little glitchy because we are still
got some storms coming inright now, actually.
So I'm going to take over withJohnny's segment.

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Hunt, befriend, or kill.
I'm going to start off withDave there, thanks to Michael's suggestions.
Let's see here.
Dave, you get 30 flying squirrels.
You get a chihuahua and a goose.
I'm killing all three of them.

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Well, I guess I'll eat the goose.
I'll befriend the 30squirrels, and then the chihuahua.
I'll fight it.
I guess I'd rather kill themall, but whatever.
Squatch, you have a hyena, aguinea pig, a bull moose, so you

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get some good ones.
All right, so let's see.
I'm gonna friend the hyena,kill the penguin, and shoot the donkey.
You don't have a donkey.
Well, I want one.

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You had a hyena, guinea pig,and a bull moose.
Okay, so let's see.
Hyena is my friend.
Bull moose is.
What, are you gonna kill one?
So kill.
Kill a bull moose.
What was the other one?
Hunt, befriend, or kill?
Hyena, guinea pig, and bull moose?
The guinea pigo befriend.

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I like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why not?
And mine is a farm goat, 50goldfish, and chinchilla.
I don't even know I'm gonna.
Chinchilla's a dog, I think.
Yeah, that's just mean.
I'm gonna befriend him, killthe 50 goldfish, and hunt the farm

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goat.
I don't know.
At least they didn't ask youto have sex with one of them.
Yeah, no kidding, Nate.
Here's yours, buddy.
Yep.
You have a robin, analligator, and an elk.
Oh, God.
Oh, man.
So I gotta hunt one, befriendone, or kill one.

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All right.
Yep.
I'm gonna hunt the elk, I'mgonna befriend the alligator, and
I'm gonna kill the robin.
There you go.
That's exactly what I wouldhave said.
Because I don't want to fightno alligator.
I think that'd be kind of cool.
I.
I always wanted to go down toFlorida and jump on one's back.

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I'm like, you know, they dothat, you know, I'm not making up
here.
They actually jump on theirbacks and wrestle.
Pretty cool.
I think you'd be good at that.
I feel like I'd be a chickento do that.
I couldn't do that.
Well.
Well, thanks.
I.
I don't know.
I I'm crazy like.
Like that.
I don't know.
I'd like to do that.
I think it'd be fun.

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I like to hunt one.
I don't know about crawlingaround on its back in the water.
No, I mean, Johnny's not.
Get them on their back.
You're not doing.
They're not going to donothing to you.
They're.
They can't like, reach around,you know.
Nate, would you hunt an alligator?
I don't know.
They got a very high chance ofkilling them in.
In Canada, I hear.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the success rate is 100.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.
I definitely wouldn't jump onone's back.
Yeah.
I mean, God, you guys neverheard of Canadian alligators before?
Spend a lot of time in the woods?
I haven't seen one yet.
Jesus, you guys got to get out more.
Yeah.

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Yeah, man.
Look, here's Johnny's.
Yeah, go ahead, Johnny.
Let me say Johnny's and we'llget back to you.
Dad, even though he's nothere, it's.
I'm assuming that's acapabara, a chimpanzee and a bearded
dragon.
I think it's a chabra.
I think that's what he wastrying to say.

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Said a chinchilla is like a hamster.
Yeah.
I can't say who the hell has a chinchilla.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Either way.
Nate, thanks for playing apart of that fun segment that we
have here.
Yeah.
You may go now if you want.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
You can leave the show if youwant now.
Yeah.
It only goes downhill from there.

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Yeah.
Can you give a littlebackground by yourself?
Wait, what was your question, Dave?
That's exactly where I wasgonna go with a little, like, his
hunt, what he likes to hunt,what he hunts and his background.
So you go ahead.
Yeah, There we go.
There you go.
Okay.
Well, I used to be an avidhunter and an avid angler, I guess,

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and being up here in NewBrunswick, always into.
Always into moose hunting, of course.
And.
And you can't see him, but Igot a nice shoulder mount of a 50
inch bull moose up here.
Oh, man.
But that guy right there kind of.
Kind of spawned an interest inme to start taking photographs of
our moose hunts.
And that kind of created amonster in me, and I.

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I now spend most of my time inthe woods with a camera.
I still enjoy moose hunting.
Our moose hunt in NewBrunswick is a draw system, a lottery
system.
So it is very, very hard toget a tag, but still put in Every
year.
And the last few years I'vebeen fortunate enough to actually
film moose hunts for.
For clients at an outfitterthat then I'm a part of up in northern

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New Brunswick called Long Lake Adventures.
So he's got sports that comeup from down states and.
And so we film their hunts forthem and.
And that's what I.
I enjoy doing because I.
With a camera, I don't have toworry about having a tag.
I don't have to worry about,you know, having a season to go out.
I can go hunting.
365 days of the.
Out of the year.
No, I don't get any.

(08:37):
Any game meat or anything outof it.
But it's still.
Still very much the same as hunting.
You're pursuing animals, justnot with a gun.
Right.
Yep.
Yeah.
I would actually, if youfilmed and took pictures of my hunt,
I would probably give you meat.
Yeah.
Honestly.
Yeah.
Because I'm not going to beable to do that while I'm trying

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to hunt.
Yep.
Yeah.
No, no, I usually get.
I usually get some.
I mean right now I've got lotsof moose meat in the freezer and
some deer meat and stuff, so.
Oh yeah, always, always lotsof meat around.
Yeah.
Well, you can't blame.
There's a question for youhere mate.
My glass.
Do you know Salmon River Bend Outfitters?

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That name sounds familiar.
Explain yourself, Mike.
Explain yourself a little bitthere in there, Michael.
He asked what kind of meat, Dave.
The hell are you talking about?
What kind of.
I don't know what he's talking.
You said you would give himmeat if he photographed you.
Oh, well, like if I wenthunting for whatever.
I think that's what he meant.

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I mean.
Yeah, deer hunt, you know, fishing.
Any kind of hunting if I had some.
Like a professionalphotographer or any kind of photographer.
Photographer.
If he photographed me.
Yeah, me.
I mean, I.
I don't know if I could givehim anything.
I'm not that good.
So.
You'd look sexy though, whileyou're there.
You know.

(10:00):
Might have a freaking tag soupsandwich or something.
If you haven't realized.
The sexiest person on thissquad is Dave.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The guy.
The guy down on the right corner.
Yeah.
No, no, that's Squatch.
I'm.
I'm out here.
I'm on the left.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Brett's just got a man crushout of me, so don't listen to him.

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Every day I think to myself, Ijust want to hold Dave's hand all
day long.
His wife is A lucky man.
She is lucky.
I got man hands, that's for sure.
Me and Squatch have man hands.
He's got man hand.
You have girl hands.
Let's see here.
Nate, I've been looking onyour Instagram.
You're an amazing photographer.

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That's all your work, right.
Nothing's hand done.
Correct.
There's no hand painting.
That's photography.
Correct.
All photos, yes.
Yep.
That is amazing work that you do.
How long have you been doing that?
I might have missed that ifyou said that in your background
part.
I think this is like my eighthor ninth year doing it, pursuing

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it.
So.
So yeah.
Yep.
Do you sell some of your prints?
Yeah, I sell.
I sell prints, and I don't doprint sales.
Isn't.
Isn't a huge portion of what Ido or a huge portion of my income,
but I do a lot of guiding forclients that want to photograph wildlife.
And they're.

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They.
They.
They don't know how to.
They know how to take apicture, but they don't know how
to find.
To find animals because it'stechnically there.
It's.
There's two art forms going on.
There's one, you got to knowhow to take a good photo, but you
still got to find.
Know how to find an animal.
Right.
So I actually spend a lot of my.
A lot of my time, especiallyin the fall, guiding people that

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want to.
Want to photograph animals,which is a lot of fun being a guide.
I could see me, like, somedaydown the road, maybe as I get older,
and I'm not able to do, like,a lot of stuff.
Probably taking up photographymore because I just enjoy the outdoors
so much.
And, like, I don't know, asyou get older, like, the.

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The, you know, the killingpart of it kind of wears off.
It's not so much like youenjoy more of the sights.
I guess you're.
I'm trying to say, you know,out there, I.
I'll always be a hunter, but Imean, I think there's so many times
when I see something when I'mout in the outdoors and you got the

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opportunity to catch thatmoment with a camera or.
Or video.
It's, you know, it's a talent.
It's a talent.
It's like an artist, you know,you're an artist, but you're not
actually drawing it.
You're taking a picture of itand framing it, you know?
Yep.
Yep.
And that's.
That's part of the reason whyI get into photography is because
I was going out.
You guys know yourself, youand you just said it.
You're going out fishing,you're going out hunting, and you

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see all these things, thingsthat, that happen along that journey,
along that hunt.
And it's like you come backand you try to tell the story or
say, like, man, you shouldhave seen what happened.
And then you have people likemy wife and my family saying, man,
you gotta like grab a, take acamera with you.
And, and that's how it kind of started.

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I was like, yeah, I got tostart taking a camera.
And then once I did that, itwas just, I just, yeah, just started.
Started taking pictures of everything.
And really.
And that's when I reallyfigured out, you know what, there's
more to hunting and fishingthan harvesting an animal or catching
a fish.
It's about the whole journeythroughout the day.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And you have to be a reallygood hunter and outdoorsman to be

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able to get those.
Those.
Yeah.
You know, the thing this, thestruggle that I find with, with trying
to take good quality picturesof animals is you've got to be really
close.
Like for me to, to get goodquality shots of a moose, I've got
to be in that 50 to 75 yard range.
And it's like you got to spendtime with that animal and that animal

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has to not know your presenceor they just accept you're, you're
there.
So you've got to actuallyspend time with that animal to catch
them, to capture that pictureor video of them being a moose or
being a deer.
Because not the greatestimages to me aren't the images of
that nice whitetail bucklooking right at you.

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It's when he's like feeding orhe's like, like spun around.
You know how they'll like,they'll like scratch their ears with
their hind legs, like stufflike that.
Right?
Like an animal being an animal.
Those are the, those are themajor amazing images and those are
the tough ones to, to capture.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
I have a, I have a personalquestion, but there's a question

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here in the comments for you, Nathan.
Yeah.
From Adventures in the Wild,does Nathan know a bull moose named
Flat Top?
Oh, man, I know who that is.
So this guy right here, that'sFlat Top.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Oh, man.

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He's a, he's.
He's just an unbelievable bull that.
So that Adventures in the Wildis my buddy Derek.
Hey, Derek.
What's up, Derek?
What's up, Derek?
We a little backstory to thatFlat Top bull.
We have been pursuing him forthree, three to four years.
We've seen him on trail.
Cameras known he's been in thearea and this fall we finally caught

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up to him where he was in anarea where we knew he was hanging
out for three or four days feeding.
And man, did we ever have someepic encounters with them.
Wow.
Before I get to my.
Oh, go ahead, Nathan.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
I had a question for you.
Have you guys ever rememberseeing a couple years ago, there

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was drone footage of a bullmoose shaking his head and the antlers
flying off?
It went viral.
Yeah, I think.
Yes I did.
Yes I did.
My buddy Derek, adventures inthe wild.
He took that.
Oh really?
Yep.
Yep.
Wow.
Great job.
Geez, that was cool.

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The moose was actually startled.
Oh yeah.
It was amazing.
So amazing.
Yeah man.
So have you figured like whathis range is?
Flat top is Not.
Not really.
We've got.
I don't know, I know the areathat, that we've seen him in and

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it's probably maybe a couplemiles square.
A couple square miles?
But I'm sure his range isbigger than that.
Yeah.
Yep.
Someone's commenting hiswhitetail advantage is.
Haha.
Brett does that for that reason.
What?
I have no idea.
I didn't type that.
Someone hacked my crap.
Probably Johnny.
Probably Johnny.

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Oh yeah, Johnny has access to that.
So it's probably Johnny anyways.
Who would do such a thing?
It's Johnny.
Oh yeah.
By the way, I know it's sad tosee, but Johnny's here so let's bring
him in, I guess.
Johnny's here.
What is going on, ladies and gentlemen?

(17:08):
Hey John.
What's up buddy?
What's up soccer mom?
Hey, soccer mom.
Yeah, dad.
No big Nate, I'm sorry.
I was looking forward to thisamazing show and John getting on
just ruined it all.
It was doing great, man.
And then Brett showed up.
So Brett, adios.
I'll take over from here.

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Thanks Johnny.
Nate.
So as recent trend lately isis videos, shorts and reels.
It's this new quote unquotealgorithm that everyone's watching
and gravity towards.
Hence TikTok and all these things.
I have my personal feelings onit, my personal take on it.

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And I think the.
I think photography has lostits voice maybe is the word I want
to use or its the.
I don't know the word I'mtrying to look for but the substance
in it because that's beingtaken away from photography.
Everything's gravitatingtowards videos.

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But nothing can be a greatactual photographer photo like you
produce because there's a lotto it through Just an actual photo
that you can just tell.
Do you have your personal takeon with you being a photographer
and how things are, aretrending towards nowadays to the
digital side?
Yeah, I do, I do see thattrend and it's.

(18:37):
I don't know if it's good or bad.
I don't know if it's takingaway from the, the photography side
of things.
Yeah, you're probably rightbecause it does seem to be like people
are really dialing into thoseYouTube shorts and YouTube know reels
and Tik Tok and all that and.
But like you say, there issomething about a photo that's.

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Because that's just an instantin time that will never be replicated.
And that's true to a video too.
But there is something about aphoto because you can just step back
and look at it and it's notgoing to the next frame.
Right.
So it's just that one splitsecond in time that's captured and

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there is something very uniqueabout it.
And even though, yes, there isthat video trend and stuff, and I
am, the last past coupleyears, I am gravitating towards doing
more video than I ever havedone before because of that.
I do enjoy video too, but Ibelieve I'll always be a photographer
at heart because I want tocapture that moment.

(19:45):
Yeah, well, I agree it's hardto capture that on a video.
It is, it is, because thevideo carries on to the next frame
and the animal moves and you,you forget about that moment.
Right, Yep, exactly.
Yeah.
And there's, there's, there'sa lot of times where I'm taking video
and I'm, I'm, I, I'm watchingthe video and I'm like, man, if I

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had only just taken a pictureright there instead of video.
Yeah, like that was the momentright there.
Exactly.
Yep, yep.
But with technology,technology nowadays, I don't even
have the ability.
Well, I guess you can recordit and then take a like a breeze
frame moment of it and turnthat into a cam.
A photo itself though.

(20:26):
You can, but it's not like the.
Same original if you just takethe actual photo.
Yeah.
Because you're especiallyshooting wildlife and say, or say
like sports or so like thingsthat require a faster shutter speed
because things are moving whenyou're recording video, you're shooting
at a lot slower shutter speed.

(20:47):
And with wildlife, you'reshooting at a longer distance, which
you're shooting at a longerfocal length.
This, this might be over yourguys's head, but the longer the focal
length, you're shooting atcreates the opportunity for more
shake your camera and in the picture.
So it's not as sharp.

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So it's hard to get a sharpimage with when you're shooting at
60 frames a second.
Yeah.
You're trying to get inbetween each frame to get a clear
picture of that.
Yeah.
When normally I'm shooting,I'd be shooting like a deer or something
at like you know, five or athousandth of a second shutter.
So it just.
Yeah, it's, it's tough.

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I think eventually thetechnology is going to get there,
but it's not quite there yet.
I mean, heck, who would havethought we would have been having
Drones Basically in 2025, backin the early 2000s at this point.
So you never know.
It's.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it is.
The.
And even like in like aniPhone, the, the pictures that those

(21:52):
things can take now is phenomenal.
Like.
Yeah, it's, it's crazy.
Like if I'm.
If I'm going to shoot an eventor something, there's a lot of times
instead of me pulling out myother camera with the wide angle
lens, I'll just grab my phoneand take a wide angle shot.
But they're.
Yeah, they're, they're just.
You just.

(22:13):
Yeah, they're crazy good.
Yep.
The fact that I remember onetime when I was a freshman in college,
I think I was getting a new, anew phone.
Okay.
And the guy said if you'relooking for a phone, looking for
something that takes greatphotos, you can just get a cell phone.
If that, it's.
If it's something where youwant to just specifically just do

(22:35):
photography, go buy yourself aprofessional camera.
Yeah.
Because like you said cameranowadays, granted back then to now
these things are mini Sony S3built right into your phone basically.
They are, they are.
It's amazing how creative thatyou can do videos and just photography

(22:56):
all off of a freaking phonenowadays is in my opinion.
I'm surprised a lot of cameracompanies haven't gone out of business
in a sense.
Yeah.
Well, it's really.
Because you remember they hadlike Canon and Nikon and stuff.
They had those little pointand shoot cameras.
Y.
Basically it's deleted that.
Totally.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, you don't see those anymore.

(23:18):
So now it's basically, youknow, the bigger camera bodies with
the bigger lenses that.
Yeah.
Now what, what type of camerasdo you shoot with?
Nathan, I'm a Canon guy.
Okay.
Yep.
Not that they're the best out there.
It's just what I, what IPicked up at.
That was my first camera, andI've just stuck with them.
Yep.
So back in the early 2000s, Iwas a huge into skateboarding, and

(23:41):
I wanted to film all the statevideos and stuff, so I had a Sony
VX1000.
Okay.
I saved up forever to buy that camera.
And just out of, like, youknow, I.
I wanted one just fornostalgia reasons again.
Yep.
The prices have dropped somuch, but those are always great

(24:02):
cameras, especially becauseyou just swap out with, like, the
fisheye lens and everythinglike that.
Yep.
And that's.
That's about the extent of mycamera knowledge right there.
Yep.
I was trying to get intophotography in my own way post college,
and I tried learning shutterspeeds and focal length and the apertures

(24:23):
and all this crap.
And I'm just like.
I'm just staring at thecomputer like, what the.
Just like, lost.
It was like, all right.
I don't even know what they'retalking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you can get over that hurdle.
Yeah.
That's the first big hurdle toget over for sure.

(24:44):
Because I.
I remember there was.
I was reading, like, all Iwant to do.
I was so into, like, thosetime lapse photos, and I got one,
and I got the GoPro 13.
I have everything set up toget that doing it.
But at the time, I had the.
I still have the ace, the SonyA7 III, whatever.

(25:05):
And I could not figure it outbecause I wanted to do knock, like
those lighted knocks on your.
On your.
Your arrows and get like, atime lapse of that.
And I spent like a week and Iwas just like this.
I'm done.
Quit.
I just couldn't figure it out.
Well, send it to Nathan andhe'll hook it up for you and send
it back.
Yeah.

(25:25):
What the.
That is an amazing drink, Squatch.
That.
What is that?
If you don't mind me asking.
What's that, that red drink?
Oh, it's just cranberry juice.
Oh, cranberry juice.
Yes.
Just something to drink.
That's all.
It looked delicious.

(25:46):
No, no.
What are you drinking on Brett?
I'm not drinking anything.
Just drinking my water.
I'm on a mission, man.
To lose.
To get back in shape.
If my drill sergeants saw menow, they would just look at me and
just walk the other way and just.
Shoot your probably shouldhave done that back then, too.
What?
Drill sergeant from the police academy.

(26:08):
I had about.
Oh, those aren't drillsergeants, man.
You know, Captain.
You remember Captain?
No, I had.
I had actual.
They were still.
I.
I know.
I just.
With You?
Well, one was retired.
The other three.
No, we had four drill sergeants.

(26:28):
Two were retired current withpolice departments and two were still
current drill sergeants in theactual army, but they were still
their employed through thepolice department.
So.
Yeah.
Anyways, Nathan, let's talkabout a little bit about your own
personal hunting.
So you said you were.
You're a guide with, with photography.
Do you also do that as a guidethrough hunting as well?

(26:51):
Is that what you said?
I don't know.
Not saying that I wouldn't.
Just the opportunity justhasn't arrived yet and I'm.
I stay fairly busy just withthe photography side of it, so I
haven't really, I guess,pursued it, but I'm like, I'm fully
licensed in New Brunswick tobe, to be a hunting guide if, if
that opportunity ever happens.

(27:12):
Oh, wow.
Give me your address.
Yeah, right.
We're coming.
Michael said major pain.
Yeah, that's a good one, Michael.
I can't believe Michael's oldenough to know what that is.
I know, that's surprising.
It was old when I was young.
That's saying a lot.

(27:33):
You're still young.
I'm 31.
Damn.
I don't even remember 31.
Dude.
I'm on the older side.
I'm on the older side of youngthe net.
The next oldest person on thispodcast is over a decade older than
you.
That's you, Johnny, right?
That's you.
Yeah.
So I'm still old.

(27:55):
Anyways, anyways, Nathan'slike, what the hell am I doing here?
Yeah, like, whatever.
Cameras in old age now.
Yeah, well, I had it.
I had a thought to interject here.
How long do you guys think, ordo you think it will be?
And I, I got thinking aboutthis because all the opposition with

(28:15):
drones, we were talking aboutdrones and drone photography and
using drones to recover deer.
I got an idea that I thinklike state entities and con, you
know, your, your officers aregoing that route and I think they're
going to use it to theiradvantage and that's why they don't

(28:36):
want us to have it.
Like the, like the gamewarrens are.
Using them, Game wardens willbe using them to catch poachers,
like at night, you know,because of the thermal imaging.
Yeah.
And I think during the day,you know, during the day I think
they would, you know, maybefly around parking areas getting
people's plates and thenrunning the plates and see if they're

(28:57):
legitimate hunters.
Maybe finding, you know, outif they have hunting tags, you know,
if they're supposed to be outin the woods or they have any felonies.
It just.
It's just so weird that athing that would be so beneficial
to hunters would be so frowned upon.
And of course, like, we'vegotten this discussion before about
people abusing it to go find,you know, a herd of deer and sneak

(29:19):
up on him and kill them.
But I.
I feel there's more to it.
I think there's a law, youknow, they're going to use it to
their advantage for something and.
And I.
I wonder if that's why, youknow, and maybe, maybe I'm just way
out there on it.
But when we were talking aboutthe drone thing, it rang my.
No, I could see that.
But I think it's because it'sstill fairly, fairly new, in my opinion,

(29:43):
to hunting.
And it's kind of liketransformed into hunting lately that
people are like, how the.
Do we navigate these type of things?
It's like a version of back in.
Kids these days, they'resexting each other and sending each
other naked pictures.
There's no, like, at the time,as far as I'm aware, there was no
official law like, oh, you cando this or that.

(30:05):
And it's like it was graywater when it was first kind of coming
about.
It's kind of like that with.
With drones nowadays.
But I could see how they'retrying to force it to where only
the game wardens can use thattype of technology.
And I like that.
I think that's a great point.
They might be just doing likethey did with the marijuana here
in Michigan.

(30:25):
It was illegal until theyfigured out a way to make money off
of it.
Yeah.
No, now they have their ownseparate tax, state tax, federal
tax.
They figure a way to licenseit so they can tax it and make money
off from it.
Then I can.
I can see where it's.
It'll be a go.
Yeah.
If it comes to being a benefitfor the government, they'll definitely.

(30:48):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
But there is a lot of lawsthat go with that.
No fly zones and, you know,all that.
I mean, you got to be legit todo it.
You just can't be any fly bynight guy, go buy a drone.
And I think that might be oneof the things they're trying to figure
out.
There's a lot of differenttypes of drones out there too, that
you.

(31:09):
You really don't need alicense or anything to do that.
You can just go get a cheapdrone and you can be able to just
fly it just above the treeline 200ft and you'd be perfectly
fine.
But now you got these othertype of drones out there that are
going 500ft up in the air andthey're getting a huge wide look
at crap.
I got an uncle that's got.

(31:29):
I don't know what kind it'scalled, but I think he's paid like
10 grand for the stupid thing.
It might be a DGI.
I don't know.
It's white.
I remember he brought it to a camera.
Nathan, do you have a.
You have a take on this?
Is it.
Is it popular in Canada?
Yeah, there's.
There's a lot of people.
I'm not saying they're usingdrones for hunting or.

(31:51):
I don't know if anybody'sactually using them for animal recovery,
but we're kind of like youguys, like, they're.
They're trying to.
The government seems to betrying to bring out laws to kind
of trying to take it out of.
Maybe out of the hands of the.
Of just the regular citizens.
Now I've got a drone.
I've got a dji.

(32:11):
And I.
Personally, I think it's great.
I think it's a.
I use it a lot for scouting.
For scouting, like, areaswhere I think animals might be.
It saves walking into it intoa moose swamp, five or 800 yards
and getting in there, and itlooks terrible.
So I think there's certainly.
There's.

(32:31):
I.
I believe for the hunter,there's certainly a place for it
because there's guys that doaerial surveillance through air airplanes
and helicopters.
Those guys would be few andfar between, of course, because the.
That would be expensive, butit does happen.
So what's.
What's the difference if yougot an airplane or a drone?

(32:51):
Right, Right.
True.
Very true.
I think.
I think the difference is it'sjust an easier.
It's an.
A more accessible availability.
And that's true, too.
Yeah.
Like, you can go out and spenda couple thousand dollars and have
a pretty nice drone these days.
Oh, yeah.
But it's.
Yeah, I lost my train ofthought here, but I.

(33:12):
That happened on this show.
Yeah.
But, yeah, I think.
I think it's a great tool.
I guess where the line has tobe drawn is.
Is if.
I do believe that if, youknow, if it's deer season, like,
that's.
If a season's open and you'reout with a drone, that's where it

(33:32):
gets sketchy.
Yeah.
Like one of those Ukrainiandrones with the grenades.
Yeah, like.
Yeah, like when I film a moosehunt, I'll do.
We'll do like, some prettyseason shooting.
And I'll have the drone out.
I'll be getting some drone shots.
But once that season opens,that drone is in my vehicle, locked
away, and I don't even daretake it to the woods because I don't

(33:55):
want any warden or anything tocome along or anybody to.
To just assume, oh, they'reusing a drone to hunt.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think maybe it's just me offtop of my head, but I think one easy
thing that they could do is.
So, for instance, you're.
You.
Honestly, I think you shouldbecome a licensed drone recovery

(34:17):
person.
You should make it where theyhave to sign something that.
Or whatever the case may be inthat regard of where someone hires
me to come track their deerfor them, and that's the sole purpose
of it.
And then you have, like, yourown type of log sort of deal, and
it comes about that you wereout there doing something other than

(34:37):
then looking for.
Scouting for.
For a recovery of a deer.
Then you can lose your licenseand be fine and stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah.
Warding comes and look at yourdaily log type of deal.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Because the drones will trackwhere you were.
Like your log, your flightlog, basically.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you could always.
If I agree, you should.

(34:58):
If you're into that, youshould have, like, a license and.
And abide by what rules are set.
And if there was anydiscrepancy, then you would have
a log saying, look, this iswhere I flew.
This is where the.
The deer was.
And yeah.
Yeah, I do have a question,and we'll start diving into your
area.
There's a question from Daniel.

(35:19):
What's the guest think aboutCanada becoming our 51st state?
I love it.
Bring it on.
Cool.
Actually, absolutely.
He says, then I won't need a passport.
I know.
Exactly.
That's what I was thinking, too.
Yep.
Hey, Dan, you can come pick me up.
No, we.
We got an election coming upin four weeks, and if we don't get

(35:44):
these liberals out of office,can I come and live at your place?
Brett, come on down.
Okay.
Yeah, we.
I actually have a cottage upnorth of me that has nobody in it
right now.
Oh, nice.
Up there.
Well, the girl finally escapedfrom your cottage, Dave.
I let her out because thefederales were on me.

(36:04):
They were trying to send her back.
The ice.
The ice.
Deportation got her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Senor Dave has me locked uphere for many months.
It's not nice.
Yes.
Although, Nathan, I don't knowif you.
I don't know if you'd want tocome here because I was watching
some videos today wherethere's people in parades and they're

(36:30):
called pups, and they wearthese fake puppy masks, head contraption
things, and they walk aroundlike actual dogs.
That one dude, he looked likea fat white samurai trying to do
like a dog show or something.
He looked like the gimp fromPulp Fiction.

(36:51):
And they had these shows wherethese people that will dress like
they believe they're actualdogs, they identify as dogs, I believe.
And they'll wear these headcontraptions and they'll go to these
shows and they'll have quote,unquote, master like you would with
a normal dog.
And they're telling the personto do dog tricks.

(37:12):
And they're at an award showfor this and that.
Not if that doesn't scare you more.
There's stick ponycompetitions where people that.
Right.
They go to these, like those,like those real horse events where
they jump over things withreal horses.

(37:32):
It's that with stick poniesand people competition.
So I don't know if you'd wantto come here because we have to deal
with that, too.
We don't have that up north.
Michigan.
There's too much of theMichigan Militia up north.
And, you know, infiltrating them.

(37:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's just,that's just sad.
I'm gonna try and be nicetonight and being.
And just leave it there.
I'll say it.
Those weirdos.
Oh, thank God.
I, I, yeah.
Wait, what's that in thebackground, Brad?
Is that a dot mask you havehanging up?

(38:14):
Yeah, my dog mask is right there.
Yeah.
I'll say this quick story realquick, and then we'll, we'll dive
into some questions here.
I was at Myers with my daughter.
Okay.
This guy had a, like a dog earthing and he had a tail on.

(38:34):
Okay.
He looked like a dog.
We're walking this, we'rewalking one direction, he's walking
the other way.
We walk by each other.
I say, rough.
He looks at me, he says, sir,how dare you?
I am a grown adult.
That and I identify as a dog.
And for you, that is hurtful.
And I said, rough.
I'm sorry.
And I wrote rough.

(38:55):
And I walked away.
My daughter happy I wasn'tthere and didn't see that.
Oh, my God.
I didn't know how to react.
That was just my best reaction.
And my daughter asked me, dad,what was that?
I said, that's mental illnessand trying to find us right there.
Yep.
Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
Yes, sir.

(39:16):
No, it's not Even that they'rejust mentally abused, man.
That's their mental for sure.
There's, there's somethingwrong with people.
There's an actual mentalillness that's going.
Yeah, it's called living atyour mom's basement when you're 35.
Well no, Brett's only 31.
Hey Brett, where are you right now?

(39:38):
I'm 31 in a basement.
Yeah, but that's by his wife'schoice, not his mom.
Yeah, my wife, my wife told meI couldn't be down here.
Yeah, she said I'd come down here.
Michael asks, I want to seeyour German shepherd.
I'll say this, my German shepherd.
I love my dog.
He doesn't live with me.
He lives at my parents housebecause my parents retired to look

(40:00):
after my kids and they babysitmy kids.
So my dog, instead of himstaying here with me being locked
up in the backyard, he gets toroam around at my parents house that
live in the woods.
They live in the country.
He gets free range to run around.
He gets to play with my kidsall day.
So wait, that's why.
Let me get this straight.
You have a dog, but it's yourmom and dad's responsibility.

(40:22):
You have kids, they're yourmom and dad's responsibility.
You're a man child.
Brett figured it out.
The Matrix.
Yeah, I'm going through adivorce right now and I still have
all those responsibilities.
How we need a Brett Bovinpodcast on how to do this.
How to get rid of your familyand your dog and stay married.

(40:44):
Yes.
The floor is yours, Brett.
That.
Yeah.
Nathan, what's the terrainlike there again?
I don't know how, I don't knowhow to transition it from there.
I'm pretty sure it doesn'tlook like you're basing.
Boy, that was probably one ofthe cleanest segues you've had to

(41:06):
another listen to this showthat I've ever seen in my life.
130 some odd episodes.
Yeah.
Went straight 360.
I I.
How's the terrain like upthere, Nathan?
It's a lot of like rolling hills.
The I think the highestmountain or if you can call it a
mountain in New Brunswick'slike 2300ft or something.

(41:29):
So it's not what's that?
And so that's what I'm talking about.
Who wants a mountain where youcan't breathe on, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Like up the northern half ofthe province is really, it's, it's
quite rugged up there.
But as far as getting into Any.
Any like big mountains oranything like, you don't have to
worry about that.

(41:50):
So it's.
It's relatively calm.
I guess not.
Yeah, it's not too bad.
What kind of animal species doyou run into mostly up there?
Moose.
Really?
Yeah, our whitetailpopulation, we've had.
We have pockets in NewBrunswick that.
That there's.
There's a lot of deer and thenthere's a.
Like the.
The northern half of our province.

(42:10):
There's not a lot of deerright now.
They.
The the past couple years,they tend to be coming back some,
but other than that, wildturkeys is actually something that's
very.
Still pretty new to New Brunswick.
This is only our 20, 25 isonly our third or fourth year.
I think for that we actuallyhave a.
A turkey hunt.
Wow.
Really?

(42:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they might.
They've migrated.
What species do you have?
Those are the.
Man.
I should know this.
Miriam's.
They're probably Osceolas or Mar.
Yeah, I think Miriam's.
I can't remember now, butyeah, they kind of migrated over.
Over from Maine.
So yeah, they're Miram then Miriam.

(42:54):
So it's a.
What's a.
No, I said that's cool.
I had no idea you had turkeys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like.
Like five years ago, for.
For me to see a turkey, it wasa big deal.
And even.
Even right now, today, if Iseen some turkeys tomorrow morning,
it'd be like, oh, yeah, that's cool.
Like, yes, it's pretty cool tosee a turkey here because you never

(43:17):
did before.
They just gobble different up there.
Yeah.
Maybe they go, hey.
Now, is that so what's crazyis thinking about it's probably easier
to get a moose tag than aturkey tag.
No, no, no.

(43:37):
It's still fairly hard to get a.
To get a.
A turkey tag in certain zones.
But the moose tags are like.
I went 18 years before I get amoose tag.
Really?
Yeah.
Like it's.
It can be.
Tata.
Sounds like our elk tag here.
Yeah.
And so here in Michigan, andour state's unique.

(43:57):
We have more whitetail thananyone could ever shoot.
Yep.
And then the way our state'sbroken up into two different, you
know, we have one that's apeninsula, and then our normal state,
we have elk in the lowerstate, but the northern half of it.
And then we have moose in theupper Peninsula, and we are like,

(44:20):
I bet you within three to fiveyears we'll have enough moose to
hunt.
And it might be, you know, 20,20, 25 tags.
Yep.
But we'll have enough moose.
And we actually got our moosefrom Canada.
Brett, you know what we did toget our moose?

(44:40):
Enlighten me.
We traded wolves for moose.
Huh?
We traded wolves and whitetailfor moose from.
And then this was back in the.
I want to say the 80s, and we.
Our moose population droppedbecause the wolves, they were up
on Copper Harbor.
Yeah, I know where that's at.

(45:01):
Yep.
So the wolves chase the mooseonto Copper harbor and they all died
because they turned it off.
Yeah.
So then the DNR was like, oh,well, we'll give Canada more.
More whitetail and more wolves.
And like, our population nowis finally starting to grow.
But about six years ago, itdipped a little bit.

(45:22):
But yeah, we get all of ourmoose from Canada.
Do you know what.
Where at, though?
Okay.
I was gonna ask you whatsubspecies it might be.
I.
I'm gonna look it up right now.
So carry on the conversation.
Brett, do your thing.
Well, that's cool.
I didn't.
I learned something new nowabout Michigan right now.
What?

(45:43):
It'll.
You didn't know that?
It'll.
It'll probably be a one and done.
Like they did with our wolf hunt.
Oh, my God.
So when I retired out of thearmy, that was the first year they
did the wolf hunt, but itcoincided with the deer hunt because
mo wolf season went from Nov.
15 to Dec.
1.
And at the time, I wasn't abow hunter.

(46:04):
My shoulder was still up.
But yeah, I wanted to wolfhunt so bad.
And there was such a kickbackon that.
Like, so many people were allpissed off about that.
The government was, but thepeople up there weren't.
Well, it's like Brett's spiritanimal isn't.
Is.

(46:24):
I thought his spirit animalwas a gerbil.
No, that's what lives in him.
Oh, yeah, you'll have that.
Oh, my God.
Okay, Mr.
Slave.
I figured the moose up in.
In the U.P.
just kind of.
They traveled from.
From Canada down to like,Minnesota, and they just kind of

(46:46):
migrated through that way overin Wisconsin.
They're imported.
Yeah.
They swam from the straits.
So something that runsalongside of that makes a lot of
sense because coyotes that arefrom out west went north through
Canada to migrate.
As they did, they cross bredwith wolves.

(47:07):
And the.
The coyotes that we have here,where I live in the Northeast, are
upwards of 55, 60 pounds,sometimes even close to 65.
And when you.
They take the skull out of acoyote here, it has that crease,
that ridge line in the middleof her head that is the same structure
that provides a strong Jawbonefor wolves to be able to bite their

(47:31):
bone.
Normal coyotes don't have that.
So.
Yeah, koi wolves.
Yep.
That's what we got here.
That's why we got them here innorthern Michigan.
We got koi wolves.
Yeah.
It's all the same, you know.
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, that's what the show'sfor, to enlighten.
Cool.
What are the.
While Johnny's looking up thatinformation, what are the hunting
seasons there in.
In New Brunswick?

(47:52):
So basically in the spring hewould have.
We've got like a two weekturkey season now, I think the second
and third week of May, I believe.
Okay.
Something like that.
And then there's the bearseason that opens up sometime in
April, I think.
But usually guys don't reallyget after them until, you know, maybe

(48:14):
later May because winter hangson and the bear don't really get
traveling until things reallywarm up.
And then you got, you got afall bear season.
And then our moose season isusually the third, a five day season
in the third week ofSeptember, Tuesday through Saturday.
And then white tail starts up.

(48:35):
We got like a bow season, thenwe've got our rifle season.
And then we.
The last couple of years,we've got an extended week in November
for muzzleloader.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then you got your, youknow, your, your waterfowl and stuff
like that as well.
Yep.
Pretty big bear.
Bears.
Bear hunting season then.
Yeah, we've got a lot.

(48:57):
We got a lot of bear here.
We probably maybe have toomany bear here because there's very
few locals that hunt them.
Really.
So most of the people thathunt them are like guys like you
from the states that come upand want a big black.
Damn it.
Yeah.
So we have the western mooseis what we have.
Okay.
Yep, yep.

(49:18):
Is that the same as you haveup there?
No, we've got the eastern Canadian.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, we got the bastardstepchild moose.
Exactly.
Now here's a fun fact aboutmoose hunting in Nevada of all places.
This 2024 was the first yearthat Nevada had a moose hunt.

(49:40):
Huh.
There was two tags that were issued.
I was gonna say.
I thought it was only one thatthey issued.
No, they issued two.
One issue 2A.
I want to say a 14 or 16 yearold Drew, I was gonna say.
I thought.
Yep.
And then another one was justa normal person.
Yeah, a normal, normal.

(50:02):
It was a human being or moose hunter.
Can you, can you please usewoke language?
No, thank you.
That's better.
Yeah, Yeah, I thought that was cool.
Like this one kid, hopefully,though he didn't get too much crap
from like other people.
Like, oh, how's a 14, 15 yearold kid get a moose hunt out here

(50:28):
once ever?
What was cool is all theoutfitters that reach out to him
to say, hey, let us help you out.
Like the hunting communitywhen it comes to a brand new event
like that is so welcoming.
Like so many outfitters werelike, hey, we know where the moose
are.
We, we couldn't hunt thembefore, but let's get you out there.

(50:50):
And that, that's where I feellike we're actually doing pretty
decent in the outdoor community.
Yeah.
But always trying to be helpful.
And I thought, hearing thatpart about it, I thought that was,
that was amazing.
What's your, what's yourfavorite caliber for taking down
a moose?
I shot mine with a.270.
Nice.

(51:10):
Really?
It ran 20 yards.
Nice.
And it's all about shot placement.
I love my.270.
Yep.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
A lot of guys, a lot of guysup here use like 36, 308.
300 win mags, 7 mils.

(51:30):
Yeah.
You name it.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But typically like up here,our type of moose hunting up here,
typically you're gonna see oneright around that 100 yard range.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's not going to be a longrange shot.
So.
Yeah, because it's a lot ofour, a lot of our hunts up here are

(51:52):
really tight close quarters.
You're calling them in and they.
Yeah, I was going to ask you,like how, how is the, basically the,
the terrain?
Super thick, medium open.
They hang by water a lot.
You know, they, there's,there's a lot of forestry operations
in New Brunswick.
So there's a lot of clear cuts.

(52:13):
A lot of guys hunt them inclear cuts.
They do tend to hang outaround some water, but that time
of year they're kind of, it'sgetting cooler.
So they're not, they'retending to go maybe more to the hardwood
ridges and stuff like that.
But there's if, if, if you'rethe type that doesn't want to hunt
a clear cut, you want to get.

(52:33):
Have that really nice tightclose up encounter.
It can be, you can be in somereally thick wooded conditions.
Yeah, like, like there's someareas that I, I've hunted in.
Well, actually, for instance,our sport that I filmed a guy two
years ago and we called in abull from him.
He was from Georgia.

(52:53):
Georgia, I believe.
And that bull come within like20 yards of him before he even seen
it.
Oh, Jesus.
Really?
That's how tight it was.
Yeah, yeah.
That's insane.
Just what you want to be thatclose to a pissed off animal.
Oh, right.
I don't know if you guys haveever experienced a bull coming in
like that, but, like, on thecall, it's.

(53:16):
It's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, we.
We know how big a whitetail is.
We've all seen elk relatively close.
Like, I almost hit an elk withmy truck, and I was like, holy, that
thing's huge.
But a moose will, like, dwarfan elk.
Oh, yeah.
I've never seen a moose upclose and personal.

(53:37):
Yep.
But I've always.
That's my bucket list huntright there.
Archery moose.
When I was in Vermont, we weredriving down the road and it was
just starting to get dark, andI actually thought I saw a squatch
in the road, but it was a.
It was a moose with his assdirectly towards us.
And you couldn't see the restof them, so you just see all legs.

(53:58):
This thing, it's hairy, youknow, and it's standing in a room
like, what the fr.
And I'm like, oh, it's a moose.
He turned his head.
But unlike a whitetail, wherethey just dart into the woods, a
moose has to find anacceptable route to get into the
woods again.
So he was like, you know,shucking along and driving.
And then all of a sudden, hefound a driveway that he could get

(54:19):
his rack down through.
But, God, that was awesome.
I wish we had cell phones whenthat happened because we only had
those throwaway cameras, youknow, you used to buy.
They were real cheap.
And my wife and I, we had justgot married.
We go up to this bed andbreakfast up in Vermont.
We were going out to dinner,and we.
We just had that throwaway camera.
I tried to get a couplepictures of it running through, you

(54:41):
know, at night, but it justdidn't come out.
But man, seeing that in.
In relationship to, you know,what you're in, you're like, holy
God, they're huge.
They're just monsters.
Oh, they're.
Yeah, yeah, They're.
They're dangerous.
We've got.
On our main artery, our bighighways up here, we've got moose
fences.
Oh, really?

(55:01):
Because before.
Before we.
They put the moose fences up,there was people getting killed.
It was like almost a daily occurrence.
It seemed like when the moosewere really active, it was.
It was.
It was bad.
And so since they put thesemoose fences up, it's helped help
the human population out andthe moose population.
What?
Helping the human population?

(55:21):
Is that really a good thing?
Right now, I don't know, theymaybe should tear some of them down.
Right?
Exactly.
Let's just go up there, likeremove like a 10 foot section, you
know, if it's, you know, God's will.
Right there.
Those people never leave thecity anyway, so.
Exactly.
Right.
Yeah.

(55:43):
Well, it looks like Dave left us.
Yeah, Dave's gone.
No, it's just an illusion.
He's David Copperfield tonight.
He's going to be back in a moment.
I know it's going to bringtears my eyes when I see him there
again.
So now our whitetail here,well I'm sure there too, whitetail
can, you know, they can cleara, a six foot fence no problem.
Yeah.
Now are moose the same way?

(56:04):
Are they as agile as a whitetail?
I've heard a moose can be very agile.
They want to be but I don'tknow if they're quite as agile as
a deer.
But I don't know.
I've seen them, I've seen themtear off after they've, they've got
close to me and you spook themand like they can, they can move

(56:26):
and, and anything in theirway, they just, they just run over.
Oh yeah, that at you know,1500 pounds, you're just gonna blow
through whatever turn.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I feel like a moose is likea, like a, equivalent to like a fullback
or a middle linebacker.
Just, it's not mobile oragile, just gonna go run and just
tear you the over.

(56:47):
But a whitetail deer, they,it's like a running back.
They can finesse, move thingsaround a lot lighter and stuff like
that.
Yep, yep.
Now sure.
I, I have one question herebefore we wrap it up for the night
and get into our rapid fire segment.
Is there any laws up therethat you might disagree with or that
you'd like to see change ormodified or.

(57:07):
Got rid of like hunting laws.
Hunting laws or any laws really.
I guess at this point you'regoing to become the 51st state.
So I guess we'll start learning.
What do we need to know beforewe cross that border?
I don't, I don't know.
That's a, that's a good question.
Frick.

(57:28):
I don't know.
Maybe, maybe we do, we do shedhunting up here looking for like
moose sheds mainly.
And it's illegal for like sayif you guys wanted to come up and,
and you guys run a bear huntor, or moose hunt or something and
you found a moose shed, it'sillegal to take that back.
Yeah.
Really.
And we're actually kind oftrying to get the government to change

(57:51):
that.
But it.
You know how governments work.
Wait, so hang on.
Okay, so if we go up.
Yeah, you ready?
So you're out there shedhunting or you're, you're, you're
just out there.
What are Canada's crystal laws?
Like, I mean you're out therewith bears and everything like that.
You have.
We can't, we can't carry.

(58:11):
No, like it, like, like a,like a bear guide.
Yeah.
Right now, can't carry a firearm.
He.
His hunter wounds an animal.
He's got a.
He's.
Yeah.
He's got to go in after thatanimal without a weapon.
Wow.
So basically as the guide, youwant to stay behind the hunter.

(58:33):
Yeah.
Because you.
All you have to do is outrun him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm creeping about 100yards back after he shoots.
Yeah.
So if you guys ever come toCanada, be aware of that.
Oh yeah, again, like we weretalking earlier, shot placement.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You think it's, you think it'sbad not having a pistol on you to

(58:53):
know, go after a bear that's wounded?
What about those Canadianalligators we were talking about?
Well, yeah, I remember youguys talking about that.
They live in the trees, dude.
You know that.
Well, didn't.
Yeah, because didn't Ted killa grizzly with a 10 mil?
Yeah.
Oh, the uncle Ted killedeverything with a 10 mil.
10 mil.
Is this is one of his favorite handguns?

(59:13):
Yeah, it is, dude.
The.
I mean It's a.
The 10 millimeter Br.
I don't, I don't know if youknow this or not, but the 10 millimeter
has better, you know,ballistics in any 357.
It's a.
Basically a.40 Smith & Wessonon steroids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, it's able to.
It's able to stay togethermore and penetrate more and break

(59:36):
bone more than, you know, likeyour standard stuff.
It's up there with a 458 limbbow and Wesson.44 mag.44 mag.
You know, all that stuff.
Am I hard on?
Another good thing would belike a 460 Roland.
That.
That's around 460 casual.
Or a Smith & Wesson 500.

(59:58):
All those are, all those arehand can.
Now see Daniel that watchesour show.
My buddy, he's got my unclewho was a rep for Smith and Wesson
when he.
He died.
Dan got his 500.
No, but if you look, that's abad gun.
Between a Smith and Wesson 500or even like the Alaskan 454 Kazul

(01:00:18):
like the guide guns versus a10 millimeter.
A 10 millimeter is cooking atalmost twice the speed.
Yeah, it's a small, smalldiameter bullet.
But if you go through likeLehigh defense where they made a
extreme penetrator round, I mean.
Yeah, like the honey badgers.
Exactly.
A 10 millimeter, I'll take anyday of the week.

(01:00:40):
It's also on a semi automaticplatform versus a wheel gun.
So.
Absolutely.
Now, now I was just watching something.
I'm not going to take creditfor this, but a very good point made
by the guy that was talkingabout self defense pistols in grizzly
country.
A guy was attacked by grizzly.
When he went down he had anautomatic and he was on his chest

(01:01:02):
and the bear was on him andthe slide was compressed and the
guy couldn't get the shot off.
Or that would never happenwith a wheel gun.
They were saying there'sadvantages and disadvantages to what
you carry, you know, in everysituation you're in.
But I like to look at moving parts.
The less moving parts the better.
On a wheel drone there's a fewmore moving parts but I would choose

(01:01:25):
a wheel drum in the bushversus a semi auto slide any day
of the week.
It's the same thing.
Like my lever action 4570.
I take that anywhere.
Exactly.
I would like to get a 57though in pistol.
That's a cool round.
That's a cool round.
It's a fast round.
Dude.
That's basically a rifle.
It's basically a rifle and a bullet.

(01:01:46):
Dude.
That's like the, the MP7s.
Yeah.
I mean a 5.7 is basically acivilian legalized five point or.
Yeah, yeah.
Or MP7.
MP7.
Yeah.
You guys can carry a sidearm?
Yes.
Oh yeah.
We can open carry here butyeah, I would recommend open carrying

(01:02:09):
but you can open carry here.
That would be.
I wish I could do that.
I just like to take, have,have something like that in the woods
with me.
Well, you know what, I'mgiving you permission.
Yeah.
Tomorrow I want you state New Brunswick.
Y.
I can't say anything you say.
Trump said it was okay.
Yeah, yeah, we're allowed.

(01:02:31):
In New York state you'reallowed to carry full carry concealed.
Not in New York City where youneed it the most for the animals
down there.
Yeah.
And you know it's, it's.
You're allowed to carry likeas long as you keep it concealed.
Like you don't even make animprint basically.
As long as the cops don't knowyou're dead.
No.
If the cops don't really care,it's the freaking Karens in the store

(01:02:53):
and like that, you know it isn't.
I bow hunt and I always keep apistol on me.
I don't give a what the lawsays they can all go.
They can suck a root for all I care.
I carry because there'scoyotes, there's bears and I'm not
jeopardizing my life.
I'm not.
Yeah, we got coyotes, bearsand mountain lion here.
I don't give a.

(01:03:14):
Wow.
Yeah.
Usually a 645 Smith.
Yep.
What's Brett doing?
He's in coloring class.
So here, let me, let me goahead and take Brett out of the show
real quick.
Yeah, take him out.
Yeah, yeah.
What's up?
We want to expand the screen.

(01:03:35):
I don't, I know, I know guns,but I don't know guns like these
three.
These three know their.
I know Brett knows thatbullets leave the barrel and he knows
that a.
Red rider will shoot his eye out.
That's right over here.
Brett knows not to look downthe barrel of a gun and keep his

(01:03:55):
finger on the trigger unlesshe intends to kill something, mainly
himself.
Yeah.
So when they start going on arant of guns, I'm just like, he's
on out.
I try, I really do.
I try to learn and I, Sothat's why I sit here and I kind

(01:04:16):
of like just like coloredwater bottles.
I color water bottles becausethat way that's how I absorb information.
On next gun segment.
Brett draws colors.
That's right.
That way I'm not like focusingand I'm letting it like process through
my brain.
So it forced me to listen.
It says I don't know.
But I'll just say this.

(01:04:38):
They have a vast knowledge ofguns that they could tell me 20 million
times.
And I'm going to remember onepiece of it and I have to list to
it all over again and againjust to remember a second piece.
So we'll get you up to thecottage and we'll just shoot guns
all freaking day.
Don't get me wrong, I loveshooting guns.
I have my own guns.

(01:04:58):
I shoot the fuck out of them.
They're amazing.
But the knowledge that thesethree have, it comes to like ballistics
on all this other informationoutside of that realm, I, I, I just
like lost.
We're like, we're like, I got some.
Friends like that too.
And it's just like, yeah, overmy head, buddy.
Yeah.

(01:05:18):
It's not like I'm against it.
I'm not in any way.
He's not a liberal.
That is true.
It's, it's.
That's just my knowledge andinformation is for archery and, and
technology and all this other.
And to try to influx that muchknowledge of rifle into my brain,
I, I would have.

(01:05:39):
My brain would literally explode.
What kind of guns do you havefor rifles, Brett?
I have, when I sold it, it wasan LMT.223 gas piston rifle.
I have two 223s.
I can't remember the brand oranything like that.
I have two 22s.

(01:06:01):
One's a Henry lever action andthat thing that's just beautiful.
And I have a Smith and Wesson shield.
Yeah, it's a Shield 40 cal.
And are those 223s AR platformor they bolt actions?
They're.
They're AR platforms.
Now are they 223 or 556?

(01:06:22):
You can shoot one.
Yeah, I know you can shoot.
I do know that.
556.
You can shoot the 2, 2, 3through which do the other way around.
No, these are.
They're 223s, if I remember correctly.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
And what about you, Nathan?
What.
What firearms do you have?
I've got my 270.

(01:06:42):
Nice.
I've got my dad's 3030 Marlinor Winchester.
Nice.
Okay.
And that's all I got.
See, what kind of 270 is that?
Savage.
Oh, nice.
You got the access.
See, the access is like theperfect platform because you can
do so much with it.

(01:07:02):
Yeah.
Kind of like the Ruger American.
Yeah, I mean a Savage access.
I.
I used a Q57 Roberts.
Yeah.
And that was an amazing.
Yep.
Go ahead, Brett Teller.
Yeah, so my kid, for hisbirthday, I bought him.
For him is his money.
He got the axis in 308.

(01:07:23):
Oh, nice.
Yep, yep.
Yeah, I'm not a very big guy.
And it's a light gun.
It's small gun.
I love that.
I got a Remington 7600, whichis a pump 270.
Yeah, yeah, I had that in a 3006.
Oh, nice.
And I sold it.
And then I.
Oh, dude, those guns.
Are worth a lot of money, man.

(01:07:44):
Yeah, they're worth a lot of money.
I don't know the 36 to megrowing up.
I mean, I love the OT6.
And that animal will take anygame in the world.
Oh, yeah, dude, it's.
It's like overkill here.
Oh, yeah.
Any animal in the northern continent.
But like, that's a rifle Iwould take to Africa.

(01:08:06):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't need that.
Yeah, I think like when ourkids it was 30.06and7mil mag was
like what you had to shoot fora deer, you know.
Oh, dude, down here it was 30out sits or.
Or a 30 30.
It was always a 30 cal and itwas either one of those rounds.

(01:08:27):
338 lapu is the next one I'mgonna pick up.
Got some ammo for you.
I just reloaded some ammo for mine.
You have a.
What lapua do you have?
I have an Armalite Bitter Root.
My first patrol rifle was a761 Tactical 223.
That's what I was tellingBitter Root about.
I'm get trying to get atactical kit for mine with a.

(01:08:50):
With a folding stock for my 7,600.
Those 7,000 6002 are nice.
I mean that's.
That's one of those rifles youcan work around the whole like detachable
magazine laws and stuff like that.
Yeah, Yeah.
I like the 270.
Most of the.
The ammo for it.
The ballistic coefficient onthe ammo, most of it is over 5.

(01:09:12):
I mean it's hard to get junkammo for a piece.
I built a post in Remington700 for one of my buddies and it
was in 300 Weatherby.
Yeah.
Which is a stupid expensive round.
It is like the 300 Weatherby.
And then you start comparingballistics and you're like, oh, I

(01:09:35):
can do so much for more withlike, you know, 300 win match.
Then Nate, you and I can justhave our own show and have our own
conversation.
I'm sorry, man.
You're good, brother.
I'm just joking around.
We have second amendment adhd.
Not to mention like I.

(01:09:56):
I've been through threedifferent sniper schools and everything
else.
So like you start talkingabout this stuff, I'll nerd out all
day.
This is why Brett doesn't haveme on Tuesday shows.
Well, Brian's coming on nexton our next show on Sunday and he
knows a lot about that grant.
We have our own topics we'regoing to be talking about with Brian,

(01:10:16):
but that's on a later show now.
Let's wrap it up here.
The rapid fire segment here.
Nathan, first question is.
I know we're in.
You're in photography, solet's leave the photography part
of it out.
But besides hunting andphotography, do you have any other
hobbies or interests?

(01:10:36):
Not a whole lot right nowbecause that really takes up my time.
I do still love to fish when I get.
Get chances go fishing andlike I.
I Still enjoy hunting?
Hunting, yeah.
Harvesting an animal.
But those.
Those chances are few and farbetween these days because to be.

(01:10:56):
To be efficient and beeffective as a wildlife photographer,
it's just like being.
It's hunting.
So to be efficient andeffective, you gotta spend the maximum
amount of time you can in the woods.
Yeah.
Because it's.
It's a time game.
It's all about numbers.
Well, you're basically ahunter with a camera.
Exactly.
You gotta spend the sameamount of time and as you do in the

(01:11:19):
woods filming as you dohunting to be good at it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, hunting and fishing.
I guess what animal is on yourbucket list to hunt?
And it can be.
To photograph if you want itto be.
Whatever you want.
Any animal in the world, itwould be.

(01:11:40):
It would be elk to photographor hunt.
Okay.
That'd be sweet.
Cool.
That's the top of my list.
Now, now what elk are youlooking at, like Rocky Mountain or
Roosevelt?
I didn't know there was a difference.
So the Rocky Mountain elk, are they.
They're smaller body, bigger racks.

(01:12:00):
Roosevelts are on the PacificNorthwest and they have smaller racks,
but about two to 300 pounds heavier.
Okay.
I guess it would come down tothe terrain they're in.
I.
That's one of the things thatdraws me towards elk is their terrain.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
So I'm doing an elk hunt inSeptember in Oregon.
So I'm looking at like the maxaltitude of like 2,000ft above sea

(01:12:25):
level.
Okay.
Versus Colorado, which is like 14,000ft.
Yeah, yeah.
It looks like you got yourhunt to go film now.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Right.
Right.
Let's go Oregon.
Oregon's more of that.
Like those deep.
Very similar to that, likethat rainforest type scenario type
deal.
Absolutely.
If you want to kind of give a,like a quick picture of it.

(01:12:47):
And Colorado, I'm sure, youknow, it's more like that mountainy
Yellowstone type setting.
It's a rainforest environment versus.
Yeah.
So I guess in a.
Where you're going, you'reprobably gonna maybe have.
It would be a more of a closeencounter with your animal.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You're looking within 30 yards.

(01:13:07):
Probably that's what I'd be after.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got.
I got no interest in shootingan animal or taking a picture of
an animal that's 200 yards,300 yards, 400 yards away.
No interest in that.
Yeah, exactly.
It's.
It's that encounter that's thespecial part of it.

(01:13:28):
Whether you, you make contactwith your arrow to that animal or
not.
Like that whole spiritual sideof it, just being so close to it
that.
Yep, exactly.
Yep.
Of course we're in the middleof a storm right now, so that's awesome.
I will say this though,Bitterroot, he stated, I follow him.
His photography is effing legit.

(01:13:50):
Cool.
Thank you, buddy.
What is an animal you want totry eating?
Yep.
Any wild game animal you wantto try eating?
I don't think I've ever triedelk, so I guess elk.
All right.
Now my father in law got onefor the Michigan hunt and it is phenomenal.
Yeah, I've heard that.

(01:14:10):
I will tell you, the backstraps are about as big as my leg.
Wow.
Yeah, they're huge.
But it is tasty.
Yep, no doubt.
I showed my daughter a pictureof the like, you know, we hunt, you
know, whitetail here and I hadthe bad straps and my daughter absolutely
loves them.
I was like, well, I want to doa moose hunt one day and I showed

(01:14:32):
her a picture of like moosebat strap and she's like, dad, can
you just shoot one of them?
I'm like, yes, I want to.
Like those things are massive.
But you gotta gonna have tohelp me pack that thing out.
Yeah.
Six, 800 pounds of meat.
My, my bowl, my bowl that Igot had meat was 723 pounds of meat.

(01:14:53):
Oh my God.
Yeah, there's a lot.
I'd be sending pictures to allmy friends while they're at Myers
Weekly.
Yeah.
Oh, you're going to go buymore steak and burger here.
I'd have to buy two or threemore freezers for sure.
Yeah.
Yep.
Last two questions here.

(01:15:13):
If you could pick anybody, youget a family member and a, a famous
person to go on a hunt with orshare a campfire with one time.
Who would that be?
Or a guy you just met to your left.
Probably one of my uncles whopassed away a couple years ago and

(01:15:34):
I never got into wildlifephotography and doing what I'm doing
until he was kind of at theage where he.
There was no way I could evenask him to go.
But he had an influence on me.
Taught me a little bit aboutfishing and, and I remember him having
deer hanging in his, in hisbarns and stuff.
So I think I'd love to spendsome time in, in the woods hunting

(01:15:57):
or being at a campfire with him.
That'd be awesome.
Yeah, awesome.
Last question here.
How do you think we as fellowhunters could or should do to improve
the auntie community as a whole?
Can you repeat the question?
What do you think we as fellowhunters could or should do to improve
the hunting community as a whole.

(01:16:18):
Wow, that's tough.
It's deep.
Yeah, it's deep.
One, one thing I, I guess onething I try, I've.
I've been trying to do whenI'm talking about hunting because
me being a wildlifephotographer, I deal and I talk with
a lot of anti hunters.
Right.
So I try to play both fieldsand if, when they find out I hunt,

(01:16:45):
I always tell them that orthey ask me if I've ever, you know,
killed an animal or anything.
What I always try to say is Inever use the word kill.
I say, yeah, I try to alwayssay harvest.
And I think that's one way to,I guess make things sound a little
bit better.
Like to us kill is kill, whatever.

(01:17:07):
It's the same thing.
But it's a harsh word.
Yeah, it's a harsh word andit's a lot harsher to a lot of people
that don't understand whatthat, that hunting animals and harvesting
them is.
It's, it's conservation and,and there's, it's not just going
out and killing, killing animals.
You're providing for your family.
But yeah, that's, that's kindof one thing that, that I think would

(01:17:29):
help the hunting community ifthey kind of get rid of that.
That kill word, I guess.
Yep.
Not to mention it's dis.
The animal as well.
Yes, exactly.
I'm not just going to go outthere and kill it and leave it.
Like I'm.
This animal is going toprovide for my family or myself or,
or whatever, you know.
Yeah, yeah.

(01:17:50):
And I, and I truly believethat like, like I don't have much
use for people that don't have remorse.
When you harvest an animal,you should have remorse and respect
for the animal.
Yeah.
And I know people that don'tand I, and I see them and like I
don't have, I have very littlerespect for those people.
And I think as a huntingcommunity that we've got to learn

(01:18:13):
to do that and we've got toteach people to do that.
Like.
Yeah, yeah, I remember thosememes, I want to say memes, but those
trends in the huntingcommunity two or three years ago,
roughly where they were takingselfies with the deer when they're
on the ground, then they werelaying right next to it or I'll see
the, the videos where they'llhave the meat and they'll take it.

(01:18:37):
It's like them saying, look atwhere we taking the deer.
We're back where we first met.
Yeah.
All I want to do is justfucking yell at the motherfuckers
and just say, really?
You're that petty?
And anyone that does that type of.
I.
You have like zero code in youat all.
Yeah.
And I think that you are ascumbag in my opinion.

(01:18:59):
And the fact that you peoplethat would do that, they're just
the absolute worst in my opinion.
Yep.
Yep.
Well, Nathan, I just want tosay thank you so much, man, for coming
on our show and taking timeout of your busy day to come on.
I greatly appreciate it.
For anyone that wants to reachout to you and follow on your journey.
How can they do that on Facebook?

(01:19:19):
Just Nathan Robinson Photography.
You.
If you look me up, you'll seemy logo here.
Big NR with photography orNathan Robinson photography and the
big moose antlers.
Instagram.
Nathan Robinson photography onsame thing on YouTube.
So yeah.
Yep.
You'll see me there.
You have a YouTube?
I didn't.
I do, man.

(01:19:41):
I didn't even know that one.
Is it Nathan?
Nathan Robinson.
Yeah.
Nathan Robinson Photography.
Yeah.
All right.
I want to subscribe right now.
Well, I'll say.
You just got four new subscribers.
Hold on.
Nathan Robinson.
Is it Nathan Robinson Photography?
Yep.
Robinson Photography.
Excuse me while we on and tryand subscribe to this four hour podcast

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here.
Fast forward 25 seconds.
Yep, I.
I'll find it.
Okay.
Okay, Dave, for people thatwant to reach out to you, how can
they follow you?
My mother, my brother.
You can follow me onInstagram, The Whitetail Advantage,
YouTube and with Facebookunder PSE Mobile Hunter and with

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the Garage Guy, 614 Squatch.
How about you?
So, as you guys all know,Sundays and Tuesday nights, 8 here
on here at 8:30 on thewhitetail Advantage.
You can find me on myInstagram channel outdoors and more
of the Squatch.
My YouTube channel is underthe same header and you can check
us out on the Garden StateOutdoorsman Boondocks hunting podcast

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with Mike Nitre and Frank Mika.
Johnny, you can typically findme at work.
I'm just hanging out there.
But when I'm not there, goahead and find me on Instagram.
That's pretty much where Ihang out.
Nitro Outdoors and Whitetail Advantage.
It's pretty much where I'm at.
Awesome.
Well, Johnny, Dave Squatch,thank you for coming on the show.

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We know you always love youguys here on Nathan.
Again, thank you so much, man,for coming on the show, brother.
Thank you.
Appreciate it, brother.
Yeah, thanks, Nate.
Appreciate it.
Have a great rest of yournight, guys.
Yep, you too.
Oh man, great goober guys.
Right there.
Love those guys on the team.
Nathan, again, thank you somuch for coming on the show.
Well everyone, that's going toconclude another episode of the Whitetail

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