Ep 143 / Bears, Brotherhood, and Badass Gear

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with your host
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
How's it going everyone?
It's Brett Bovin and welcometo the electronic Campfire.

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Now we're not politicallycorrect on this show.
We have, we have a strongbelief that hunting and brotherhood
go hand in hand together.
So with brotherhood you alsoget hazing and that you're going
to be hazed on.
So join the hazing with us.
It's all we say.
Sundays is our roundtable typesegment show covering a variety of

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different topics.
And Today is Sunday, April 6, 2025.
It's to our Tuesday show.
It's more of our statespecific show.
We bring a guest that livesand hunts in that state.
We asked them a variety ofdifferent questions.
Now it was say on the show,recording the slot machine.
What I mean by that is helpshare the show.
Just help grow the show andhelp share the show.

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That's all we ask of everybodyout there.
I believe hunting is a dying sport.
It's a dying lifestyle.
It's not like what it used to be.
Whereas it's nowadays whereit's more of the deer camps are more
kind of electronic nowadays.
That's why I like to call thisthe electronic campfire.
But we'd love to get to thedeer camps what they used to be in

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their own way.
But they also do change.
So change is good.
Sometimes I also do want totake a second and always like to
say this.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the military.
Thank you for your service andthank you for your sacrifice.
I also like to say thank youto all the men and women in law enforcement.
Firefighters, the doctors,corrections officers, booking officers,

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construction workers,basically everybody in public service.
I just want to say say thankyou for your service.
Now like I said, Today isSunday, April 6, 2025.
Tonight we have on myself andthe Squatch along with our guest
Brian.
Some of you might know him asBitter R Beer.
I purposely did that.

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Johnny's not going to be withus tonight.
Thank God.
Um, Dave's not going to behere with us either.
So it's just.
We're just hitting on amilestone tonight.
Anyways, so I invite you allto grab a chair and pull up next
to Electron campfire and enjoyan amazing conversation.
An amazing night.
Tonight.

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We're going to get into some,some amazing topics tonight.
Well, hello.
Well hello Brian.
Thank you for coming on theshow, brother.
Yeah man, thanks for having me.
And we also have Squatch upthere at the top because it's just
Squatch.
I mean, look at him.
He deserves to be up there ona pedestal.
He's just so beautiful.

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I'm not gonna lie.
I got beard envy, bud.
As soon as I get retired fromthis job, I'm gonna be you.
That's all right.
It's all good.
We understand what's going on.
Everybody Hope everybody's well.
I.
I have the best beard.
There's no.
There's no argument with that.
Mine's just a nice, trim,clean cut.

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I have scruff there.
It means it's a manly beard.
It's just low maintenance.
It's awesome.
You don't have to do anythingto it.
I know.
I do a little shampoo here andthere, and that's it.
He's running the millennial scruff.
It's okay.
Yeah, that's a good one.

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Well, Johnny's not heretonight for his segment.
And looks like Michael didn'tsend in any for him.
So I'm just going to pickthree off top of the dome here.
Let's start off with Squatch.
Oh, let's do this.
Let's go this route.
You have a Squatch, the LochNess monster, and Pumpkin head.

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Oh, man.
So let's see.
I got a friend one.
So I'm gonna friend the squadbecause, you know, he's my role model.
And so I gotta kill one and be.
What was it you said?
The Loch Ness monster.
Oh, lock, kill, lock.
This monster.
I don't know what happens.
Every time I get on this show,I start getting a frog in my throat.

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Let's see.
And see.
So the other one was Pumpkinhead.
Pumpkin head.
Nah, let's kill Pumpkinhead.
Kill Pumpkinhead, Befriend Squatch.
And you're locked a sponsor,so we'll leave it at that.
All right.
Yeah.

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Brian, you have an alien fromthe movie Aliens.
I'm trying to go likefictional type creatures here.
The Predator.
Oh, oh.
And let's see.
Squatch.
Give me one more.
I'm stuck here.
Slimer from Ghostbusters.

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Oh, yeah, That's a good one.
Yeah.
Well, that's easy.
I'm gonna befriend Predatorfor sure.
It's an outer space SWAT guy.
So we'll just go with that.
There you go.
I'm going to hunt the slimer.
And the other one was the alien.
Alien.

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Yeah.
We gonna.
We gonna kill that son.
I like that.
I mean, predator and alien arekind of similar, but you can use.
Yeah, actual aliens.
Predators just got the man.
I think that is just a bad andyet Yes, I get they're bad creatures,
they kill people.
But in every movie, theysomehow turn out to be nice.

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And you root for the motherfuckers.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
All right, Brett, so I gotthree for you.
You ready?
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
They're not animals, though.
Well, they could be considered animals.
All right, first one's Bill Cosby.
The second one is.
The second one is P.
Diddy, and the third one isJeffrey Dahmer.

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Go.
Oh, God, that is so bad.
I guess.
Okay, so I got Bill Cosby.
They gotta get the Bill Cosby with.
The pudding in the pool plot.

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Bill Cosby, pay Diddy andJeffrey Dahmer.
I guess I'm killing Jeffrey Dahmer.
Absolutely.
I want to hunt P.
Diddy.
And I'll be friend Bill Cosby,because I still feel like I can.
I'll just put a cover over my drink.
There you go.
And I could just have a great conversation.

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I don't know, I feel like.
I mean, I don't know how otherway you could go about doing that.
It's excellent.
Perfect.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You know, it's the.
That goes through this brainof mine, man.
It's like, okay, I gotta comeup with something for Brett.
Oh, I like it.
I like it.
It's a good one, right?

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Thanks for playing.
Yeah, no worries.
So now, so in your guys'shonor today, I brought.
What is that?
Talk and bull.
Oh, look at that.
Oh, they love that.
The first part of that.
I mean, we're gonna do it.
We might as well go all the way.

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Exactly.
Yep, definitely.
Well, brother, can you give alittle background about yourself?
Yeah.
So, Brian Ludicke.
I live in west centralmountains of Idaho.
So if you go to Boise and yougo about three hours north, you'll
find me there.
I'm a police officer for thecity of McCall.

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I work up to have worked herea couple of years, and then I spent
a couple of decades with thecity of Meridian 54.
I've got three super awesomekids and a couple of grandkids and
a wife that puts up with my 25years almost as a policeman's wife.
She puts up with the.
So, yeah, and then I've been hunting.

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Started hunting when I wassix, just shooting squirrels and
doing the typical kid stuff.
And then got my first huntinglicense in deer tag when I was 12.
And here I am 40 some oddyears later.
Now, tonight's show is goingto be interesting because we all
know that I don't script my shows.
We just go off Campfire typefeeling atmosphere.

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However, you and I have talkedbefore about what we'd like to talk
about on the show and you'reactually, we'll start off with this
route.
You're actually consideringdoing your own podcast for people
that are, what was it, 50 or older.
And the older people like that.
So it fit perfectly withSquatch and Dave and with those.
Yeah, you know, yep, you and Ihave talked about that quite a bit

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actually.
And kind of the impetus behindthat was today's social media.
I mean social media is reallygeared up for the younger crowd,
right.
I mean you're millennials,your Gen Zs, et cetera, the hunting
community, the kind of thebusiness, if you want to call it
that, is really geared up forthat group of people because they're

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the ones that are theprofessionals at this point.
They're the ones that have thedisposable income per se and some
of the time, et cetera, to dothese types of things.
And so all the marketing stuffis really geared up for them.
And those of us that arestarting to surpass those age limits,
we kind of get left behindwith some stuff.

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And we have our own set ofchallenges when it comes to getting
out in the field and doingthis stuff.
For example, I have kids.
They're adults and they have kids.
Now you're splitting your timetrying to figure out what you're
going to do in the fall with,with kids and, or grandkids or whatever
the case may be.
It just, you have, you know,obviously start having choices to

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make.
Also when your kids have kids,they still want to go hunting.
So guess who gets to go withthe grandkids?
Right.
So there's some of that.
The other thing that we'regoing to focus on, some of the notes
that we've put together sofar, I've put together so far is

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fitness.
That's really going to beprobably the top of the, the top
of the billet for a lot ofthings because how you're in your
30s, right?
Right.
Yeah.
31.
31.
Okay.
So for us, Squatch and I and,and Dave, particularly as you start
hitting that 50 year old mark,it really gets harder.

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I mean, really gets harder.
People don't understand.
I was in really good shape atlike 45, 46 and the bottom fell out
pretty quick.
And it just got to the pointwas it's really difficult and you
can't do things the way youdid it.
Just your joints don't take it.
You know, you 41 years old andyou know, bench press 335 pounds

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was no big deal.
Do all this different stuff,CrossFit and back squats and all
the different things.
Then you wake up and you're 50and you've got a, you know, compressed
disc and lower back, andyou've got two shoulder repairs and
three knee surgeries and a hipthat doesn't like you anymore.
Some different things.
So you have to tweak thoseworkouts to, to, to fit your, I don't

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want to say ability level,because that's not what it is, but
to, to fit your, Your body'sability to perform.
Well, I'm sure also in thedays where you're kind of younger
and I know, I'm sure, I don'tknow if you had this saying in your
police academy, but in ours,when you become a cop, you lose the
right to be out of shape.
And it was just.

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And I don't give a.
We called people that were outof shape fat.
And if you were a fat, then wecalled you out on him because you
needed to be in shape.
Because you put, you'reputting your life on the line.
And at the end of the day, youneed to get home.
And if you are out of shape,you near that.
If it comes to a life anddeath type of situation.

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If you're working out and you get.
And I'm assuming when you getolder, you're.
Because you're putting so muchpressure on your.
Just your joints from workingout younger and your body can take
that, but the more you getolder, because you were doing that
for so long, over a period oftime, it's just deteriorating those
ligaments and those joints all together.

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By the time you get up to yourguys's age, I'm assuming they're
just basically shot, I'm assuming.
And I'm no doctor or anything,I'm just.
It takes a toll on you, man.
It really does.
I mean, I'm sure likeeverybody else, we've.
We've did our due diligence ofworking hard our whole lives.
I mean, you know, from thetime I was five years old, I was
stacking firewood in the backof a trailer up in the woods and,

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you know, just physical labormy whole life.
I did landscaping for over 21years by myself, basically short
spell.
A guy I called my son, heworked with me for a while and it
helped out.
But, you know, after 21 yearsof bouncing around on stuff, man,
my back, Swiss cheese.
I got a tumor alongside myspine that's about the size of my

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fist.
It's like a fatty cyst that'skind of like into my.
One side of my spine.
So it hurts.
It puts a lot of pressure onmy back.
I gotta probably have it taken out.
But you know, just, I'm just,you know, every day you just bear
through it.
And I'm sure, you know, Rootcould tell you too, you know, it's.
I could totally concur too.
And you know, you'll be like,like I was fishing the other day

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and I was like jumping aroundoff of some rocks and I'm like getting
all wobbly up there.
I'm like, man, this, this isfreaking nuts.
I used to be able to justfreaking turn around, go right over
here.
Now I gotta watch what thehell I'm doing, you know, because
you, you don't have to, youknow, you just, you just got to grin
and bear it and move on andone and, and squatch.

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You, you bring up a good point.
Because as we, as we lose, aswe age, we lose dexterity and we
lose some balance too.
And it, you really have towork hard to, to maintain that.
Yeah.
You come hunt and we've, we'vetalked hunting back east is a little
bit different than hunting outin the west, right?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
But it's nothing for us tostrap on a 40, 50, 60, 70 pound pack

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or more.
If you got meat in it and haveto traverse, you know, the Rocky
Mountains to get in and out ofwhere you're going.
Yes sir.
You know, it's a deal.
And so all these differentthings that you can do to bring your
balance back or at leastmaintain what you've got and, and
start strengthening those,those minor muscles and stuff.
It's, it's, it's a big deal.

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You know, I, the other thing,I treated my body like a freaking
amusement park when I was younger.
Me too.
Yeah.
And I'm paying, I'm paying forthat now, right.
I've got enough titanium in methat I think the Chinese want to
start shipping me rare earth metals.
Well, with getting up there inage, how do you get with the mental

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aspect of it, Brian, from likewhat you were like getting over that
mental aspect of.
Well, I'm not what I used to be.
When I'm in my 20s or 30s, Istill gotta grind it out.
Expect.
And I'm.
We're just talking about likein general.
Give me your general typeatmosphere of it.
But also hunting out westbecause it's obviously a lot different
than hunting out east.
But hunting in general, youstill gotta get over that point.

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Though, Right.
You still gotta get up andstart move over stuff.
Right.
So as far as basicallysticking to it.
Right.
Basically just grinding it out.
That's a mindset.
I just, I don't quit even askmy, you ask my kids and my son in
law specifically if he's on here.

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You know, we packed his elkout out of a hell hole and a half
this, this past November andyou know, I beat him to the truck.
But you know, he, you know,you just put one foot in front of
the other and you, you, youjust, you just do, you know.
I don't, that's a mindset.
I, you, you can't you step ona landmine on that one, Brett.

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But I mean really, you eitherhave that or you don't.
I think I, I don't.
Yeah.
You just basically suck it theup and move on.
Yeah.
If you have it in your mindthat you can't do it, then you're
not gonna, I mean really,that's just the end of it.
I, I, I don't quit.
I, we've talked about somestuff, some of my injuries, whatnot,
and I had to overcome quite abit to get back to where I am.

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Yeah.
And I still fight that battle,especially with the, with the strength
and balance as a result of it.
Um, but you know, you keep,you know, persevere.
I want to be out there doing this.
It's, it's my happy place.
So you know, I, I put the work in.
Like when I was in the policeacademy, I hurt my knee.

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It fucked it up pretty good.
And I'm trying to get backinto shape because I always use that
as an excuse to not make itback into shape.
It's like, oh, my knee, myknee kills.
Kills.
Eventually you just get thepoint where it's like, well, I'm,
I'm a fat now.
I need to get back in shape.
I got two kids now and youjust suck it the up.

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And every time I go out thererunning and I'm getting, and I'm
working out, don't get mewrong, it sucks.
But you also just get to apoint where it's just like, all right,
it hurts.
Just suck it up and move on.
Just accept it and just, it'snot going to get any worse.
So just accept it.
Yeah.
And, and you know, you, wehave, we modify and adjust.

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Right.
I work with a trainer who'syour age actually, and he and I hunt
together periodically and,and, and do some stuff, I shoot with
him and, but he understandsthe aging process because he's also
a physical therapist.
So he gets it, he gets the injury.
He was, he helped me throughmy original injury.
What did he say?

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PSE mobile.
Which is, it's a.
Dave says getting don't meanyou don't.
You can't.
Getting old don't mean youcan't be fit.
Just takes, takes more bydefinition old age.
I gotta put these on to see it.
But you know, Jared Gonzalezis his kid's name and he works with
me quite a bit.

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We, we, we talk daily aboutsome of the different things, how
I'm feeling, what, what, whathurts, what doesn't.
You know, what we need to do.
I don't run anymore with my,my knee injury.
I, I just don't.
Broadside ambush.
You tell him Brett.
Don't be a.
It's true, Frankie.

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But you know, he, we do thingson a spin bike or we'll do things
on a rower or we'll do, youknow, different stuff that's going
to be lower impact on, on thebody that, but still keeps that heart
rate going.
Plus I do quite a bit ofweighted packing, rucking, whatever
you want to call it.
But yeah, and I've been.
But you're adapting to thosesituations like you can modify like

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you just said workouts and I love.
If I had a pool I'd do it moreaquatic workouts because there's
like zero impact on, on yourligaments and your joints compared
to actual running on pavement.
And there's a lot of resistance.
Exactly.
So you're building up muscleon top of not hurting yourself in
the same aspect of it too.

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So it's a one on one gainscenario type deal.
So beyond, beyond fitness to,to, to kind of, kind of close the
circle on this, on thispodcast deal.
Some of the other things thatcome up too are time.
You know, we, we have alimited amount of time left to hunt.
I mean, let's just call itwhat it is, right?
I'm 54 years old.
You, you figure the averagemale is living to the age of what,

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78, you know, as I give me 20,24 years.
Yeah.
Right.
That's not a lot of time onthe grand scheme of things.
And then, you know, so how doyou balance the time with, with all
these different things and,and get out there and then.
I don't know about you, you squats.
But did, did any of you guysstart getting in the points game
early in life?

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Not myself.
No, I, I haven't because I'vemostly always hunted out this way.
You know, not really, but I'Mgoing to look into doing it, you
know, more.
So I put it out to the chat.
How many of those guys thatare out there that are, you know,
older than 40, let's say, havestarted getting points in places
like Wyoming or Montana orKansas or Iowa or, you know, Ohio,

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whatever it is that you're,you know, what your game is.
But there's not many of usthat did that because really, it
wasn't on our radar and therewasn't Internet.
Right, right, right.
So you had to.
You had to sort through allthese booklets and all these regulations
to try to sort out, you know,how to even apply.
It was just kind of a generalpain in the ass.

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So a lot of us, myselfincluded, and get involved in.
So there's hunts I'd like todo that I'll never catch up on.
I'll never.
I'll give you an example.
I've been putting in forantelope points and organs.
I just.
One of the things I just loveto hunt is antelope.
I've been putting them forpoints in an antelope for quite a
while, but I can't catch it.
So this year I finallydecided, you know, I've got enough

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points to draw a doe tag.
And so screw it, I'm going toput in the doe tag and go out there
with.
With my black powder and on arifle hunt and make it a little bit
more difficult and go out,enjoy it.
Yeah.
The average life expectancy ofa male is 75.6 years.
Oh, thanks, Brett.
Fuck off.
I've got like, you know, whatwas it?

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75.6.
75.6.
Yeah.
He just gave three years offmy hunting right there.
Well, I've got basically a bovin.
A little.
Little less than a bovinlifetime to live to hunt.
That's great.
Yeah, Yeah, I got.
A quarter century really isn'ta lot when a quarter century isn't

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a lot in the grand scheme.
I mean, you know, you lookback at my career, I've been doing
that a quarter century and itwent by in a flash.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And thank you, Brian, for your service.
Oh, heck, yeah.
Thanks for your service, brother.
But I also think with the.
The points aspect of it, Imean, really, I didn't know about
points because I didn't growup in that type of family.

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It was more.
I was geared towards sports,and then it wasn't something that
was kind of known about ortalked about a whole lot.
It was just, yeah, let's gohunt in our neighbor.
Our area.
Growing up as a kid, I didn'tstart learning about points that
you need points to go out ofstate to hunt till I was 23, 24,

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ballpark.
When I was like, oh, if I wantto go hunt Wyoming, you need maybe
six points or something to getin this area.
I was like, well, I wish Iknew that When I was 10 years old
my dad could start puttingpoints in for my, for my name and
by the time I'm 30, I could bestacked up with a ton of points and
all these other states.
I'm like, well, I'm gonnasubmit now and get my there and you

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know.
And I think with all these podcast.
And meal these communications,you can push that information out
there.
Yeah, so you've had thingsthat invented, you know, the, the
hunt and fool the go hunt.
The you know, Onyx is using, Ithink they're using hunt, but these
different services that areout there that are, you know, are
helping educate people.
So that's part of it.

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I'm, I'm a pretty fervent userof go hunt myself.
I, you know, for the westernhunting, I think it's probably one
of, if not the best and youknow, and so I've gotten into the
points game.
But holy am I, you know, Istarted that four years ago, five
years ago, I'll never catch iton some stuff.
Right.
So, so going through that withpeople our age is like, okay, so

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I want to go hunting everysingle year.
How do I do that?
How do I do that?
And go, go play the nonresident game in some places and
what are some cool hunts and,and then managing your expectation.
Right.
You know, everybody wants togo out shoot a 200 inch builder buck,
myself included.
But you know, it may nothappen for me.
Right?
Yeah, right.
And that's okay.

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But if I can go to Wyoming,let's say on three points or four
points and go hunt a unit thatyou know is maybe a little bit high
pressure or you know, maybenot, doesn't have the deer densities,
etc.
You put the work in going backto fitness and some of these other
things and dedication andgrit, determination and then you

(24:25):
can, you can go out on theother end and have a pretty, pretty
good hunt.
I.
That photograph that you haveof me was, it was a hunt very much
like that in Utah and a verylow density deer unit.
You know, I just basically putmy nose a grindstone on.
There's a question.
Go ahead, go ask question.

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No, I was just gonna.
It's better you let him dothat because the one I'm gonna ask
is going to take a little bit,so go ahead.
Oh, my question was just goingto ask.
Michael's asking you, Brian,if you use cell cams.
If so, which kind?
I.
I'll be honest with you guys.
I don't use cameras at all.
I.
I have never.
Never once used a trail cameraof any kind.

(25:07):
And I think you and I talkedabout that.
You haven't used those before.
I.
I have not.
I have a buddy that uses themin the northern part of the state
where we hunt some whitetails.
And honestly, they're.
They're pretty handy.
I mean, at least he knows whathis inventory of whitetail deer are
in the places that we hunt.
Yeah, I get some really sweetpictures out of it.
But in.
In the west central mountains,where I hunt in some different places

(25:28):
here in Oregon and, you know, the.
The badlands of Montana andsome other places.
It's just not.
It's just not a thing.
Yeah.
I'll ask you one lastquestion, and I'll lead it to Squatch
here, because Michael's gonnaask at one point tonight, have you
tried possum yet?
Thank you.
There we go.

(25:49):
I was waiting for it.
I mean, because we all rideMichael like a rented mule on that
question every single week.
Yep.
Yeah, you do.
But I can't see the.
I can't see the chat.
So it was hoping it would come up.
I just want to, like.
I want to meet the one personthat has tried it.
And, like, my question is,what got you to the point of trying

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it?
Like, was there nothing elsethat you could to eat?
Because I feel like at thatpoint, you're.
You're literally eating.
In my opinion, if you'reeating a.
Pasta, I think that it's gonnabe like eating a rat either.
But, I mean, I.
I don't know, man.
I'd be pretty hungry.
It's a big rat.
I mean, if I was.
If I was starving in thewoods, it's game on.

(26:32):
I'll cook it and figure outsome way to make it taste good.
With flavors, of course.
You know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what I.
What I was gonna ask you toget into the.
A little bit of the huntingside of this stuff, I guess.
You pers.
Do you pursue muleys more thanyou do whitetail out where you are?

(26:53):
Actually, I bet money it's a.
It's a 50.
50.
Okay.
So I actually hunt whitetailsquite a bit.
Okay, so tell us some of yourstrategies, your setups of what you're
doing to get in on it doesn'tmatter if it's a whitetail or mule
deer.
Just.
Let's just say you got a goodquality buck, you've seen them around,

(27:14):
you're seeing his sign, it'sstarting to get into the rut.
And you know, just, just tellme how, how bitter root looks for
deer sign where you live andhow you go about making your setups.
What's, what's your keystrategies that you do.
So let's start with.
Let's.
Let's split that into two because.

(27:36):
Let's start with mule deerbecause mule deer is a completely
different season in the whitetail.
Okay.
We don't get to hunt.
Generally, we don't get tohunt mule deer into the rut at all.
Okay.
So we're hunting them withmuzzleloaders and rifles in October,
generally when they're alreadyhard horned and they're brushed up.
And so it's a completelydifferent animal.

(27:58):
Right.
So for mule deer on thosehunts, I'm spot and stock.
So I'm going to backpackmyself into a mountain someplace
to get as big a field of viewas I possibly can.
And I'll sit there all day,multiple days if I'm seeing deer.
So your glass.
And not.
Not to interrupt you, but your glass.
And what kind of glass are youusing to scope this stuff out with?

(28:20):
Currently I have the Vector Xmade by Vectronics.
Saffron.
Vectronics.
Cool.
And it's a 12 by 42 glass witha set of doubling lenses.
So I get to.
It's actually 1.7, but so Iget to about 18 power.
And I put those on a tripodand I glass with those.
Nice.

(28:42):
So.
And, and I, I'll run that and.
And basically kind of, kind oflike doing marksmanship kind of stuff.
I'll draw the area when I'mlooking at.
And I'll arrange somedifferent stuff.
And so I know what I'm lookingat, know the different pieces of
terrain and, and feature thatI'm looking at.
Know how far away it is.

(29:02):
I'll upload it on to mymapping system.
Uh, and then so I'll kind ofhave a picture of what that area
looks like and I'll pick every piece.
You know, I glass prettymethodically and I'll glass for hours
and hours and hours on end.
I'm adhd, but when he set mebehind a set of binoculars, I can
actually focus.
But as I think it's.
It's busy work.
Yeah, you're.

(29:23):
You're constantly moving eventhough it's in small bits and pieces.
Right.
So I tripod on a panhead andI'll just literally pick an entire
mountain apart piece by piecefor hours.
So let me interrupt you alittle bit.
When you're doing that andyou're, you're, you're focusing on,
on that distance, are yousaying to yourself, well, okay, I

(29:44):
just saw that, you know,monster, I want to get down and get,
get after him.
You obviously have to knowwhat your limitations are and how
fast you can get on an animalonce you spot it, you know, I mean,
is that something what you'redoing or you just kind of like, well,
I'll get to him tomorrow.
I know he's in that general area.
You know, how, how do you goabout with that, you know?

(30:05):
Yeah.
So again, if I, if it's the,if it's morning and I've, I've got
a buck located, basically,I'll, I'll bet him, yeah, I'll put
him to bed and then I'llfigure out how to get to a place
where I can get inside of hisbedding area and take a shot from
there.
Just like you would, honestly,not too dissimilar from archery hunting
in that aspect.

(30:25):
Just from a little bit longer distances.
Yep.
So I'll get into these areasand I'll sit and wait for them to
get up and move and feed inthe evening, if it's evening and
we have time to get to wherethey are, I'll go, I'll put the pack
on and I'll.
And I'll ask.
But if we don't have timeagain, it's the same thing.
You basically, they're notgoing to bed necessarily, or they
might, but you're going tobasically put them to dark.

(30:46):
They're going to be in ageographic spot.
When I put them to dark, I'llgo back to camp and then we'll go
right back into that spotwhere we last saw them the night
before.
Right.
And hopefully they're back inthat same spot again.
We'll already have everythingpicked out, so we'll know kind of
what our ambush looks likewhen it comes.
Hopefully, knock on wood.
Everything goes perfectly.
Yeah.
Nice.
My, my question, go ahead.

(31:09):
My question to kind ofpiggyback off of that.
And it was just kind of acomment that Michael's asking, he's
asking what kind of, what doyou use for a stand wise?
And mine was kind of piggybackoff of that.
Do you have like a mobile typesetup or a permanent standstep or
is it just ground and poundall the way around.

(31:30):
I've got a butt pad made byRyan Lampers with stealthy hunter
if you're familiar.
Okay.
I don't think so.
It's a really pretty sweetfoam pad, but that's covered in some
waterproof stuff and it's aglassing pad is what it is.
So you basically park yourkeister on that and the side of a
mountain and glass.
I've got a very lightweightcarbon fiber tripod and a very lightweight

(31:53):
pan head.
Pan head that I use is like 4ounces and I use this as glass with
these doubling lenses on it.
I don't even really carry aspotting scope anymore unless we're
going to be someplace wherewe're going to be glassing a long,
long ways.
So I try to go.
So there's two things.
So let me go back a little bit.

(32:13):
Swatch for you.
Yeah.
If we're backpacking, if we'rebackpacking in.
I'm taking as gear that islight as I possibly can.
And so I'm probably not goingto have a spotting scope and whatnot.
Right.
But if we're front, if we'refront country camping and I can have
the spotting scopes anddifferent things.
I don't have all my gear andmy life and my food and my tamp and

(32:34):
my back.
I can afford a little bit moreweight in some of these different
tools in my pack.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, absolutely.
Kind of depends on wherewe're, you know, what the hunt entails.
But usually we'll glass for hours.
I.
I'll find a place, park mykeister and.
And we'll sit in glass withthe, with the, the glass and the
tripod for hours.

(32:55):
I bring a jetboil and a coffee.
I got a titanium coffee cup.
And we'll sit and drink coffeeall day long.
Perfect.
Yeah, perfect.
And then to, to move on.
Squatch for you on the whitetails.
Yeah.
So we get to hunt whitetails.
Yeah, we get to huntwhitetails into some, some units.
Some places we go all the wayinto December here and we get one

(33:19):
tag.
Okay.
So we get.
It's whitetails.
It's an either sex tag.
So.
But we only get one.
So I'm usually out looking fora decent buck and.
And we're hunting a prettyheavy country.
So I do quite, quite a bit ofstill, still hunting through the
timber.
Okay.
We, we don't, we don't treathunt out of trees a lot here, but

(33:41):
we can.
Yeah.
Which ultimately, Brett, youand I've been talking too.
That Whole tree saddle thingset up that XOP thing we've been
talking about.
I've been doing some researchon that actually might benefit us
out here in the West.
Well, that was going to be myquestion was.
Well first off, I didn'trealize deer could identify as either
sex.
So that's kind of new information.

(34:01):
Me, you know.
Exactly.
You're on the west coast.
So a buck could identify as achick and a chick identifies a bug.
Wow.
I'm learning everything these days.
Like squad if I as a chick one day.
So I don't know, I'll stillsupport you, Squatch.
Hey, I, I want you to knowthat I appreciate that and if I ever

(34:22):
decided to go that route, Ithink I might be able to do better
than you.
But I don't think you could dobetter than me though.
I don't know.
I think I'm, I'm the apex ofit all.
I'm pret boven.
Perfect.
But do you think a mobilehunting set from like xop because

(34:46):
like we said when we announcedit, you and I were talking about
more and more and I know youand Dave were talking about it a
lot too.
Yep, I was talking to Davequite a bit.
Do you think a mobile huntingset from XOP would, would help out.
Help you out but also helpwestern hunters out there out west?
I think so.
Especially when you're talkingabout some of these.

(35:06):
We don't have the rainforestnecessarily that they've got on the
west coast of like Oregon andWashington right where, where Johnny's
going this fall.
But we have some very densepine and spruce forests in the northern
part of the state particularly.
It does not have a lot of openspot, you know, a lot of openings,
open country, unless it'sclear cut timberlands.

(35:30):
And so because of that if youcan get into some areas that are
pretty dense, you can get up alittle bit up in the air in a tree.
You, you can see, you know, afair piece in some of those places
from up above.
Yeah.
So I mean what might, whatmight benefit you?
It just popped into my headand if I was in that situation and
you got somebody that you'reout there hunting with in a, in a,

(35:52):
you know, spot and stalksituation, if somebody was up high
in the tree glassing and Imean I, I saddle hunt, you can literally
sit there man, and just putyour, your face in the tree.
You can put your arms thereand stay real steady, you know, glass
left and right and you knowyou're talking to somebody, texting
them, saying hey, you Know what?
I see a good buck.
Get on your feet and get going.

(36:13):
You know, it might benefit youguys just to, you know, scope out
stuff right out of that, youknow, out of that tree.
Man, I, I can't imagine itwouldn't hurt you at all.
And full disclosure, Iactually shot my very first critter
of any kind out of a tree thislast fall.
That, that whitetail buck I, Ishot in northern Idaho this, this
past season, that, that bigfive point was, was out of a stand.

(36:35):
I'd never done it before.
And you know, he presented afront shot.
He actually hit the, hit it,hit a rub and immediately walked
to his scrape and his lickingbranch and hit that.
And then he turned and batteda frontal shot.
And I put him on the ground at70 yards with my, my muzzleloader.
It was fun.
Beautiful.
Different kind of hunt for meit was, but it was, you know, a lot
of fun because generally thosesquats were hunting that stuff.

(36:57):
I'm doing a bunch of still hunting.
Yeah.
And then I hunt the edge, theedge country quite a bit.
So you need clear cut timbersand these, these small clears and
different things.
I'm going to hunt all those edges.
Cool.
Early morning and late evening.
Yep, that's perfect.
That's a good setup.
So another question for you inyour, let's say, your whitetail,

(37:18):
you know, ventures with whatyou're doing, what is your food source
that you're concentrating onout there to get on somebody's deer?
Yeah.
So again, we're hunting themountain bucks, right.
And you guys had, did you haveTroy on?
Troy Pottinger, Yeah.
Troy Pottinger, Yeah, he was.
Episode 44, I think.
Yeah.
So.

(37:38):
So Troy, he's super good.
I like, really good at this stuff.
But so we're looking at Forbesstuff that, you know, roots and different
things that come out of theground in these mountain bucks.
Yeah, all the late seasonstuff, some of your, your onions,
that kind of stuff.
Stuff that's grown out of thelate stuff's coming out of the ground.

(37:59):
You know, we don't have foodplots or anything like that.
Right.
So they're, they're, they'rebasically scraping up what's left.
Some of the bitter brush,mountain mahogany.
They're, they're big into themahogany and the bitter brush.
And that's both for both, bothspecies, actually.
Okay, so those are kind of thepockets I'm looking for.
Nice.

(38:20):
Well, now, since you're outthere in Idaho, what would a hunter.
So we're out there, we have asuccessful hunt now talking to you,
it sounds like Dave's gonnabeat me to the punch and he's gonna
get out there next year.
He's coming next year.
Yeah.
That fucker.
I can't get out there till2027, that dick bag.
So I just want to punch him inhis non existent balls.

(38:42):
It's gonna be good one.
It's gonna be a good one, I'llbe honest.
So Dave has a successful huntout there.
What are gonna be therequirements for him heading back
home?
Like what's he going to need?
Is he going to need a giantcooler for the meat if you want.
I'm assuming he's going to get it.
Wanted a taxidermic mounted.

(39:05):
We're all like the steps thatyou can think of that he's going
to need to know to get backhome to Michigan.
So that's a good question anda little bit loaded too because every
state's a little bit different.
But for Idaho and I'm going to.
How's Michigan with chronic wasting?
Yeah, let's start there.
We had one, one, one outbreaklast year I think but we're pretty

(39:31):
good with it, I believe.
Yeah.
What's the fishing game?
What's their.
Whatever game Fish department.
What's their rules with.
With bringing heads back and stuff?
They had to be tested but Ican't remember exactly.
So don't quote me though.
I haven't read that in a while.
So for example, Idaho won'tlet you bring the head back in.
No.
No part of the head or thespine or anything that had any type

(39:52):
of spinal fluid at all isallowed back in unless it's already
been.
Been cooked out.
Okay.
So for example, my Utah buck,I shot that one that you have the
photo of.
I actually left it with ataxidermist in Utah to have him do
it because I didn't have thefacilities or anything to boil that
head out to get that, thatskull back and, and the hide.

(40:14):
And I don't have the.
I personally pretty good atskinning stuff but I haven't, I haven't
had a lot of experience doingaround the eyes and stuff and I didn't
want to screw that hide up soI, I took it to somebody local.
So it.
I have questions about that.
So it looks like Dave caughtme on the.
So I was.
Was right.
It's CWD is not bad.

(40:35):
It now it's ehd so yes.
But it has to be brought toend to get tested and if it comes
out of state.
Right.
And he says yes, have to cookit here.
So it looks like you.
You have.
You had to cook your deer andget everything done there in Utah
before you could bring it back.

(40:56):
If I wanted to bring the headand the cape back for taxidermy,
I would have had to completelytake the cape off of the skull.
Yeah.
Okay.
Ahead of time.
And then cut the skull cap off and.
And.
And cook that off, get allthat material out of it and then.
And get rid of the rest of itto get it back into Idaho.
Yeah.
I assume we'd.

(41:17):
I'm.
Because mission's fucking liberal.
I'm assuming we'd have to dothe same thing out of state before
we bring it back home.
I would think so.
So there's that.
Right.
I'm not.
I'm.
I'm learning.
I'm getting better at some ofthat stuff.
I think if I shoot another oneout of state, I'll go ahead and do
that and go ahead and trim the ice.
The only thing that reallybothers me is.
Is around the eyes.

(41:38):
Yeah.
It's very thin.
Very thin.
It's very thin.
And you know if you screw itup, you're done.
Right.
So.
But, you know, at the time, Ididn't have that skill set.
At least not good enough for areally nice buck.
So I just had a taxidermist inUtah do it.
Yeah.
And so I got to go down thereand pick it up.
But for.
For Dave, when he comes out,if he shoots a good bull, we'll take

(42:01):
it two for him to make surethat he's good for Michigan, we'll
take it to a buddy of minelives a little bit south of us.
It's.
That's a taxidermist.
And I'll have him cape it outfor him.
So he'll bring the head andcape back.
So it'll be all legal for himto get the horns and all that stuff
back to a taxidermist.
Back your way.
Sweet.
As far as meat goes.
Yeah.
Grab the.

(42:21):
The.
The.
What we've done in the pastbecause we hunt all over the place
too.
And I get those.
I buy those rotary motor coolers.
I don't put brand X here.
It doesn't matter.
Right.
But.
Mm.
We'll put.
We'll leave em empty, butthey're cold.
I'll drop some dry ice in themwhile we're gone, while we're hunting
so they stay good and cold.
Um, and then get the meat.

(42:43):
I have a cooler at my house,so I have a.
A walk in meat cooler.
So we get the meat all goodand cooled off and, and aged.
Once that's done, we'll freezeit and then I'll put it in the ice
chest with him with some moredry ice and a towel and top and bottom
so it convects and it'll stayfrozen all the way home.
That's fucking genius levelright there.

(43:03):
Yeah.
So we, we did that with some,with some deer out of California.
We, and some blacktails down there.
And they, they were good andcold, but they weren't frozen when
we left.
But we had enough goodconvection in those big good coolers
that they were not quitefroze, but they were not quite thawed
out when they got home.
So Dave said, I'm just gonnahide in the back of my truck and

(43:24):
drive it like I stole it.
Yeah, no, I got a buddy, RoyalJory will take cares.
Joy Hearns his name.
He's got a taxidermy shop thesouth of town.
So he'll, he'll, he'll squareus with.
No big deal.
You can eat the whole thing.
He said better we're justgonna eat the whole thing at your
place.
He has no, he has no idea ifwe shoot, you're looking at, you're

(43:46):
looking at 8, 900 pounds, bud.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now you're looking to take,you know, 300 plus pounds of meat
home in a cooler.
Yeah.
So Root, let me ask you thisone now.
How is it with predators whereyou're at and where you're hunting?
What, what's your predatorintrusion like there?

(44:06):
What, what animals are welooking at that's gonna bother you
while you're out hunting oryou got a deer down and maybe you
got to leave it overnight?
What kind of stuff do you run into?
So fortunately I live in freeAmerica and so we don't have a lot
of restrictions as far as ourpredators go, the exception of the

(44:27):
grizzly bear.
Okay.
Good news is where I, I huntand where I live predominantly, I
do hunt grizzly country.
But where, where Dave's coming.
We, we don't have them here.
So.
But black bears are huntedspring and fall.
Coyotes are hunted year round.
Mountain lions had a season onthem until this year.

(44:50):
Oh really?
And the fishing game haddifferent units that were year round
and some that weren't.
And so fishing game hasbasically made it a year long season.
So it's June 1st to or, sorry,July 1st to June 30th I think is
what they did statewide.
All the same rules still apply.
It's just, it's just open year round.
We can help with dogs.

(45:12):
We, anything you Want to do wedo here.
Right, right.
And then also we have.
We have wolves here and, andwe do run bump into them occasionally
but they are also hunted andtrapped in Idaho and the population
is.
Is kept in check.
So do we have predators?
Sure do.
They do have predation on the.
On deer and, and.

(45:33):
And elk particularly in the spring.
Yeah, we get some predation on.
On calves and fawns in thespring for sure.
Nice.
But you know I don't.
I mean we.
The Idaho.
Every fishing game agency hasits issues.
Right.
But I'll be honest, Idaho byand large does a pretty good job.

(45:53):
I think Idaho manages theirgame as an opportunity state, not
necessarily as a trophy stateI guess as it were.
So you know there's, there'sgood bucks and bulls to be had here.
Um but it you.
You're looking at more opportunity.
So they want guys to.
They want guys and girls to beable to go out hunting and not just.
So there's, there's.

(46:14):
And I, I know there's some nonresidents out there that are probably
screaming bloody murder at mebecause the way Idaho system right
now for them sucks ass.
I do.
I'm a.
Yes.
Idaho system such as.
But there are plenty of tagsout there available.
Yes Michael, we do see your.
I see your question there.
I'll get to here in a second.
I know I was talking to what'shis name, Brian from Idaho when we're

(46:40):
covering that long ago and hewas basically.
I think I believe it's in allthe states that you can't hunt grizzlies.
Yeah.
He was talking about this astory where this guy, he shot this,
this grizzly in south defenseand it was point blank.
Like he let it get likebasically within a foot of him and

(47:01):
eventually just shot him likefour or three.
Three or four times somethinglike that.
And they're getting ready tocharge the motherfucker and basically
he was saying it's like don't even.
It's no point of even callingit in.
Just take your.
Take your stuff, hide it upbecause you're, you're basically
screwed at that point if youget caught Killing grizzly.
Yeah.
Out of non defense and it'shard to prove self defense in that

(47:24):
type of situation.
Yeah it's.
It's a.
It's a thing because they'refederally protected.
Right.
So it's not because the Idahofishing game, you know it's.
It's really not there.
It's.
It's really not their say insome of that stuff.
So you definitely have A alarger burden of proof.

(47:47):
Right.
So I go into grizzly countryquite a bit.
There's some places I go wherethey are.
I carry you know, a handgunwith, with some buffalo bore, you
know, cast lead bullets specifically.
But I also carry a can of bear spray.
So I have both optionsavailable to me.
And you know, we all say, youknow, we're all talk big.

(48:11):
Right.
But you know, I'm.
I'm going to try to use thebear spray first.
And that's basically as aresult of the Fish and Wildlife Service
and not wanting to get itcrammed up my ass sideways so.
Bad deal.
Have you seen that video thatwas leaked?
I think it was from Alaskawhere it was this guy, he posted

(48:36):
a trail camera right in frontof his food plot and it's just like
this 30,000pound grizzly bearthat just was like built like a semi
truck just walking.
Yep.
Yeah, imagine that coming at you.
My first instinct isn't tograb my bear spray.
Grabbing.
Yeah.

(48:57):
Right.
Have you, have you seen, haveyou seen any of.
Of stuck in the rut guys?
Have you watched any of their stuff?
No, I haven't.
Okay.
He's.
They're, they're, they're alittle bit north of me, but they
hunt in Alaska quite a bit.
And his sister.
And then we're hunting whitegoats, hunting mountain goats in
Alaska and they had aconfrontation with a grizzly bear.

(49:18):
That bount went pear shapedlike fast.
Wow.
It's on video.
It's, it's pretty, prettyintense video.
If you guys get a chance towatch it there.
It, it's like is it as bad.
As that one guy that lived upthere in Alaska?
What's his name?
I can't.
That guy with the long blondehair, I want to say it was Chris

(49:39):
or something.
Decided he was going to livewith him and got eaten.
Yeah, it caught on video.
I mean not video but audio at least.
Yeah.
Of him screaming for life andhis girlfriend screaming for life
as they ate him to death.
Yeah, his name was Dinner.
That was that as we call hisnatural selection guys.
Yeah, that's a good point.

(50:00):
But yeah, no stuck in the rug.
Guys have a really good videoon that.
If you ever, ever have achance to go look at it.
It's like.
But in Alaska, interestinglyenough, I have a buddy that lives
up there.
I hunt with quite a bit and he's.
He, he says the grizzlies arehunted, you know, really hard.
You know, they are up thereand they don't.
They'll turn in People,they're like yeah, I don't think
so.
They'll, they generally go theother way or a lot of times will

(50:22):
with the exception of Kodiak,that's a different animal because
they're bigger and meaner.
But, but he said the blackbears don't give a.
Nope.
He, he'd been mauled by ablack bear hunting up there and he
said the black bears aremeaner nail.
So they did statistics thatthe occurrence of attack from a black
bear is more than a grizzly.

(50:43):
I believe that because it'sjust black bear inhibited so much
more ground and where peopleare actually having, you know, grizzly
attacks.
People run into black bears.
The only difference is theytell you to fight your ass off with
a black bear.
They tell you to play deadwith a grizzly and pretty much going
to be dead if you.
They would agree with thatsomebody Dave would agree with that

(51:05):
one.
Like I said, he got them allpretty good up years ago.
Yeah.
I've never been to Alaska so Idon't, you know, I don't know.
But in the lower 48, you know,the grizzlies aren't hunted so they're
not really all that concernedabout us.
The funny thing that they runinto in Alaska with, with guides
flying people in on a SuperCub and stuff.
A lot of people that haven'tbeen there before bring in bear spray.

(51:28):
And think about it.
You've got bear spray on apersonal plane and you're sitting
two feet away from the pilotand you have a boo boo up there.
You end the plane are going down.
So now the guides request thatyou put it in a container outside
of the plane.
They'll, they'll take it fromyou before you get on and they have
a thing outside the plane andthen when you land they'll hand it

(51:51):
back to you and say, you know,good luck.
Makes sense.
But I don't pretty.
I guess they had some prettybad oops.
What was that?
Anytime you get pepper sprayof any kind out, I mean my line work,
you spray one, you spray all,you put it out there, everybody gets
it.
Everybody gets it.
Yeah.
Can you imagine on a windyday, you got a grizzly bear, you're,
you know, being approached byyou spray.

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It gets in your eyes.
You know, all you did was justseason yourself up nice for him to
have.
Yeah.
You know, spicy, spicy Italian.
Right.
I've been pepper sprayed andI'm, I'm most likely enough.
Yeah.
And I pepper sprayed someonein one of our padded cells and we

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went in There like within asecond later.
And getting pepper sprayed sucks.
And I don't, I don't to putyourself in that type of situation
because it was always talkedabout if you're gonna use pepper
spray, make sure out in thefield, in law enforcement field to
be careful about it becauseyou run the risk of getting it in

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your face.
And just a whole bunch of scenarios.
You get a little glimpse ofpepper spray in your face, you're
basically done for.
Unless you prepare yourselfoff your ass in those type of situations.
If you're out there in thefield and you got grizzly bear and
you accidentally get thatgrizzly, I'm assuming in you that
you, you're done.

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And then I was reading thatlike in Wyoming.
I the point I was trying tosay with that is I think wyoming,
there's like 3,000 grizzliesup there or something and there needs
to be like around 100 ballparkand something like that.
So I'm curious, I don't knowwhy but I want to know why of why

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grizzlies aren't hunted hereno more.
48 well, they're, they'restill on the endangered species.
That's right.
Yeah but I figured you can'thunt one.
Yeah, again, I thought theywere getting.
Off the endangered specieslist though.
I thought they were very closeto it.
Yeah, I think we were prettyclose last year to it.

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But you know, I mean obviouslypolitics being what they are, etc,
and I think there were somelawsuits involved in that and it
kind of just pumped the breaks.
I personally would like to seethe current administration and the,
you know, the Forest Servicechief or the Department of Agriculture
chief and some of thedifferent folks, Fish and Wildlife

(54:19):
put their heads together andget these, these bears off the Endangered
Species Act.
I'll be honest, we did it withwolves and now we have a management
program that's very successfulin Montana, Wyoming and Idaho regulating
the population of wolvesthroughout with the exception of
Yellowstone Park.
Park.
I, I think the same could bedone in, in with for sure in Wyoming,

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Montana and Idaho under thesame exact footprint, the same map,
the same, same basic thing.
The problem you're going tohave is you're going to have, you
know, your, your organs, yourWashingtons, your California's that
you know, may or may not signon to that.
And the problem is what's thepoint when they had.

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It has nothing to do with them.
That's like when we have wolfproblems up in the up and we're asking
people in Detroit, well whatdo you guys Think we need to do with
the wolf population up in theUpper Peninsula.
Why the matter to them doesn'taffect them in any way.
Yeah, it's no different thanlike when they fraking talk about
on, you know, like save thefreaking planet and all this.
You know, let's put money outtowards a koala bear.

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When's the last time you seeone of them, you know?
Well, so, yeah, and so I can.
I, I mean, I'll, I'll go downthis, I'll go down the yellow brick
road with you guys on this.
Here's, here's the thing thatall the folks that are opposed to.
And right now the bearhunting, black bear hunting is, is
on mountain lions.
Obviously.
The thing in Colorado thispast year, Prop 127.

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Right?
You guys heard about that?
Yes, no, I have.
Yeah, I've heard.
Yeah.
Okay, so, so that, you know,they're cute little cuddly bears
and they're cute little cuddlykitties and, and they're not.
Um, they're, they're, they eateverything, frankly.
Um, and the, the challengethat we have is, or the argument

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is, well, if we just let themgo and we stop hunting and then they'll
just.
The populations will manage themselves.
I mean, that's not the case.
Um, that may have been thecase in, you know, 1830 when there
was absolutely zero populationwith the exception of some, you know,
trappers in the mountains andthe indigenous Indian population

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United States.
Now we have metropolitancenters like Denver, Colorado Springs,
Boise, Idaho, Billings,Montana, Bozeman, all these, you
know, you name it, put it, puta name to it, where all these migration
routes and all these animalshave now been impacted and their
winter grounds and theirsummer grounds, all these different
things have been impacted by,by us.

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So we, under the NorthAmerican model have to continue to
manage both predator and preyspecies for the betterment of those
species, both of them,predator and prey.
If we're going to have anycritters on the landscape for people
to watch and people to huntand people to do anything else with,
it has to be done at.
The North American model ofconservation is very clear on this

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and has worked for, you know,100 years.
So, you know, the, the grizzlybear is no exception to that.
I do think the, the Trumpadministration will, will get this
moved forward.
It's.
And it's up to them to do itand it's not going to come without
lawsuits because that's justwhat happens.
But I think it'll get done.

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I sure hope he gets through onthe constitutional carry.
Because this state to statecrap is just ridiculous.
It is, it's ridiculous.
It is.
It looks like though you guyson the wolf side, it looks like you
guys are going to be in on themanagement plan.
Now I see some news that the,for probably eastern states are going

(57:53):
to have, have the, have thewolves coming in out of Canada et
cetera, are going to have somesort of management plans coming.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I've been hearing more andmore rumbles that there's going to
be some type of season putinto place.
Yeah.
Because they're beingdelisted, you know, across the board.
And so as that happens, eachstate will have the opportunity to,
to, to put their managementplan in place and, and start controlling

(58:16):
those numbers.
But like Dave says, they'retalking about it but who the fuck
knows?
Like ah, I, I think there's,I, I.
So the thing in, in Coloradothe, excuse me, the Prop 127 on the
mountains lines was a kind of a.
It transcended party, ittranscended age group, it transcended
a lot of different things inColorado and people figured out pretty

(58:39):
quickly that maybe this isn'twhat is being told to us.
Maybe this, this isn't justcute cuddly little critters and people,
people have decided thatmanagement of this stuff is, is necessary.
The, the voters in, inColorado have had some buyer's remorse
on the wolf legislation theylet pass a couple years ago.

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There's, there's some data on that.
If you listen to Dan Gates at all.
He's got some, he's got somepretty interesting insight into a
lot of that.
And you know, in Idaho andMontana, Wyoming we've been managing
the wolf predators for quitesome time.
And I said very successfully Imight add.
We have very good stablepopulations in, in all three states.

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You know, we don't.
It's not like we hate wolves.
I don't, I think they're cool,they're cool animal but everything
has to be you know, kept at amoderate level.
Right.
Deer and elk species too.
So in, in my area right nowthey're looking at, they did some
fly, some fly numbers and somedifferent things and looking at elk

(59:47):
particularly and they found apretty significant over populate,
not overpopulation but they'resignificantly over their target population
numbers right now in, in acouple of areas that I live near
and they're going to do somemanagement to bring that number back
in line with what their objectives.
Right.
So there's going to, in someareas there's going to be a lot more

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tag opportunity.
And in other places in Idahowhere the, where the population is
under objective, they're goingto reduce the number of tags.
So the, the predator and preypopulation, same thing.
It's all part of thatmanagement system.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of placesthey need to, at least here in Michigan,
you need to look at otherstates and how they do things.

(01:00:30):
How can you take the blueprintof what they're doing and try to
improve it in your own statein their, in your own way, at least
just looking at it like, allright, this is what they're doing
on, on every level.
How can we implement onelittle, one little thing into our
own game here in the state?
Let me just say, how can wetake what you guys are doing out

(01:00:53):
in Idaho and implementsomething here in Michigan, make
it better?
I think we should be a lot ofmore communication, more open line
between states.
And I, I can't speak for the East.
Right.
Because I just don't know.
But I, I do know that most ofthe states in the west, as far as

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their management and somedifferent things, they, the, the,
the agencies communicate.
They, they do, they do do somework, collaborative work on.
And, and they meet, they havemeetings and different things.
So, you know, deer and elkspecies and, and antelope, bears,
et cetera, they're doing.
Again, I know there's going tobe some people out there just going

(01:01:36):
to scream my name and in vainout there, but I, I think the game
agencies do with.
They're doing okay, right?
I think they're doing okay.
I don't.
Can we be better?
Sure.
But are they horrible?
No, I don't, I don't think so.
With the exception of Utahright now, which kicked us in the
teeth with a 100% increase in.

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Yeah.
But, you know, it is what it is.
And they're not.
They've.
They've sent emails out to usthat said they're not implementing
those changes immediately, butthey will at some point.
They've left the door open for it.
So, so there's a couplequestions here for.
Yeah, go for it.
From Michael.

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Oh, Michael.
Yeah, I know.
I can't believe Michael has questions.
That's, that's not like.
Well, I'm honestly, I'msurprised he hasn't texted me them
at this point.
He's been bugging me sayinglike, oh, you're just ignoring my
questions.
Like, no, Michael, I have ashrimp run.
Ignoring my phone.
Michael, you little.
Yeah, for those folks that,those folks that don't know the,

(01:02:43):
the, the the group of us thatare all the three of us are here
and then Dave and Johnny and,and little Michael give each other
a ration of on a fairlyfrequent basis on, on this group
chat.
And it's actually pretty amusing.
Yes.
It's a lot harsher than whatwe portray and also harsher than
what we would dish out toeveryone that watches and fan of

(01:03:04):
the show.
Oh yeah, the things on thechat, not on the show.
His first question is what isyour favorite hunting rifle to use,
brand and caliber.
Okay for a rifle like a centerfire rifle?
Yeah, that's what I currentlyshoot a Seins Havoc and 65 PRC that

(01:03:30):
I have outfitted with abenchmark carbon barrel and it's
suppressed.
And if I'm going to hunt witha center fire rifle, it will be that
while it's the one I'll pullout of the cabinet first.
Nice.
And with you being lawenforcement, he's asking, you're

(01:03:51):
allowed to carry in all 50states, correct?
Same as my dad.
Yes, that's what I thought.
There are some limitations,but yeah, you.
Still have to abide by all theother state laws.
General carries.
Yeah.
So, so for example, I, youknow, you can't take a, you can't
take a suppressor into California.
It doesn't, no matter who youare, that kind of thing.
Right.
There's some things that youcan and can't do, but yeah.

(01:04:12):
And that will continue afterretirement as a, as a, as a retired
officer.
So I have a, a little, alittle card carrying card in the
batch says I'm retired, I getto carry.
So here's the next question.
Oh my gosh.
Oh, it's happen, it's Michael.
I'm good.
How do, how do all of you guysfeel about lesbians, LGBTQ people

(01:04:37):
being cops?
I've worked with some of them.
I don't give a.
It doesn't, that, yeah,there's, there's zero issue there
for me.
I don't, it don't matter.
I really don't care.
I, I, I so just, just make,put Michael to use on some of this
stuff.
I don't care who you are.
I really don't.
I don't care who you love.

(01:04:58):
I don't care.
I don't, I don't care thatDave's a lesbian.
He's a lesbian trapped in aman's body is what he is.
Yes, I am too.
That's it.
So yeah, it doesn't matter.
I don't, I don't give a shit.
I, you, you, I, yeah, Yeah, I really.

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It doesn't matter, right, ifyou're working.
In law or just in general, ifthat's what you are.
Just in general.
Okay.
It's.
I'll make fun of all day leftand right.
It's the people that I makefun of that are out there.
Like I post on my, my personalFacebook page where they're out there
doing pony stick, ponycompetition and human puppies rolling

(01:05:45):
around on the mat.
I'll make fun of you people,but if you're gay and lesbian or
whatever the case may be, Ijust don't give a fuck.
But I'm going to make fun ofit if I see a video of it.
Don't get me wrong.
And I've worked with some,some lesbians and some gay people
in law enforcement.
The only time I ever hadissues with them is when it came
to politics.
And I'm not going to get underthat part of it in the show.

(01:06:08):
But yeah, outside of that,that you're gonna have that with
anybody.
But it.
Honestly, I hadn't, I justworked with him and there's no.
Anything differently when they.
I went to a call or anythingin those regards, I didn't.
That's not the first thing Ithink of.
Well, I got the lesbian comingbehind me or I got the gay dude coming
right there.
I don't keep.

(01:06:28):
I got backup coming and thank God.
Yeah.
All right.
So, yeah, they're my brother.
Like I said, I don't give adamn who you love.
I, I was, I was in favor ofgetting marriage legalized because
if they're go.
If they're going to bemarried, they should have health
benefits.
You know, I mean, I don't.
If they want to be in themisery like we are, then it.
Then join the party.

(01:06:49):
Yeah, I, Yeah, I just don'tgive a.
I really don't.
I, I don't care for the, Someof the.
I don't care for st.
Targeting our kids on some ofthis stuff.
That's.
That's kind of where I drawthe line.
But that's really not, that'snot the LBGT community that the LBG
Q like in Colorado.

(01:07:11):
They just posted.
I think it was.
They're allowed.
They're forcing.
I can't remember exactly, butthey're forcing it to be taught in
schools.
And if your parent, if theparents don't agree to it or, or
bend at the will with theteachings of it and the schools,
then they have the right totake your kids away.
Yeah.

(01:07:31):
In Colorado.
Again, I, I live in freeAmerica, we, we don't, we don't have
those issues here.
And, and you know, if you, ifyou don't give a.
Who you're married to, I don't care.
And we really don't have awhole lot of, of that garbage going
on in our schools here.
We just don't.
So.
Good.
Well, Brian, we're wrapping uphere with the rapid fire segment.

(01:07:52):
It's been awesome leading upto this point.
Don't get me wrong.
Squash, do you have any otherquestions for, for Brian before we
give up into the rapid fire segment?
The only thing I was gonnajust bring up real quick, I was just
curious if he bow hunts out there.
I don't.
I used to.
I had, I had injury to botheyes and I had my lenses replaced.

(01:08:17):
And so as a result, I can't see.
Not only do I have the old man glasses.
Yeah.
But I don't have the abilityto focus up close, so I can't see
the pins.
So I switched to black powderhunting years after that.
Gotcha.
So that's kind of my, myarchery, I'll be honest.
And so I, I do most of myhunting nowadays with, is with some

(01:08:37):
form of a muzzle loader.
Okay, cool.
I take back what I said then.
Michael's asking if I can showmy gun since I'm working out.
Maybe next show.
Brother Dave's got a questionfor you.
Ask Brian about his badass newpack he got for his hunting trip.

(01:08:57):
Oh, yeah, it's probably thesame one we're gonna have Dave get
too.
I'll be honest.
I just picked up an ExoMountain Sports K4.
I have a Nimrod Outdoors packright now.
That's a carbon fiber packthat I've loved and I've, I've had
it for the last five years.
And then my middle childdecided he wanted to take it and

(01:09:20):
did.
So I started doing some, somelooking around and I ended up.
I ended up talking with, withSteve over at Exo and he, he set
me up with this pack.
So it's a 3500.
It's 5.6 pounds, complete withthe gun scabbard and the bag and
the accessory pouch and theNalgene bottle holder.

(01:09:44):
It's.
Yeah, it's pretty, pretty well done.
It's got a gigantic belt onit, gigantic pad on it.
And because they're in, in theBoise area, I was down there for
a class and I went into theshop and he.
They had their guys fit me init and everything else.
It's pretty bitching here's.

(01:10:05):
Squatch.
Dave has a door the analys.
Couldn't that be a Diego path?
That was a good one squad.

(01:10:26):
Dave says I got two of them.
Yeah, one for him and one for Johnny.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I've been talking to Daveabout make sure he's got the right
pack when we get out therebecause you got to have something
that's going to pack me upbecause dude, you better.
Have oxygen in that.

(01:10:46):
Yeah, that dude might die inthe first mile hike.
So.
So here's the good news for Dave.
I mean I guess.
What's your elevation whereyou guys are at?
Shitty.
Like none.
Like none.
Yeah.
Basically zero.
He's gonna want to.
Yeah.
It'll be a little bit of anadjustment but I'm not going to have
him much above 6,800, 7,000ft,I'll be honest.

(01:11:07):
Oh I'm killing him.
So it won't be getting shape.
They've get in shape anyways.
Brian, besides hunting, do youhave any other hobbies or interests?
Yeah, my kids and my family.
If I'm not hunting, I'm tryingto spend as much time with.
With all those folks as I can.

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And unfortunately my kids andstuff are spread out across the four
winds right now.
But we do try.
My wife and I get together and.
And do try.
That's kind of my.
Kind of my thing.
I do some precision riflecompetitions here and there.
Nice.
But yeah, outside of.
Outside of hunting andfitness, really my.
My passion is my.

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Is my family.
So what animals on your bucketlist to hunt?
Can I have two?
Yeah, you can have two.
All right.
First.
First and foremost, I.
I really want to.
I really want to hunt amountain lion and I want to hunt
a mountain lion with.
With somebody that's got dogs.
And I want to do it with myblack powder rifle.
I haven't been able to putthat together yet.

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But it's like way up high onmy bucket list of things to do.
The other thing is again, this twofold.
I'm really want to go hunt asika blacktail in Alaska.
Oh yeah.
Ooh yeah.
Yeah.
And conversely like the exactpolar opposite of that.
A coos whitetail in the south.

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So I haven't heard anyone say cues.
I think that's a first.
Coup's deer.
Yeah, I think that's a firston the show.
Yeah.
It depends on.
It's kind of like tomato or tomato.
Some people call it cowsbecause I think the person who found
the was actually his name waspronounced cows.
Oh really?
Just.
But like you know TheAmericans that we are, we butchered

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it and call it coos deer now.
So it's fine.
Well, Brett, you were.
You were meaning, like, as atrophy, though, right, with that,
or were you just talking aboutthe pronunciation, What I said about
the coups deer.
Did you mean you.
Nobody had said that before.
Like, as a trophy to go after,or do you mean the pronunciation
of it?
Oh, like the.
The.
Oh, I see what you're saying.

(01:13:15):
The actual hunting of it.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I got you.
Yeah, I'm.
I.
I want to get those.
Both of those done.
I.
I really want you, Dave.
What did he say?
He's saying brett's lost you dick.
I just.
I wasn't sure exactly.
Yeah, that's all right.
Yeah.

(01:13:35):
What.
What is an animal you want totry eating?
Mountain lion, for sure.
By.
By.
No, no question.
I.
That's what I've heard.
And I, you know, everybodyI've listened to and everybody I've
talked to said it's fanfreaking tastic.
And that's.
And that's where.

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That's what.
That's my thing.
Yeah, that's what I want to do.
So I'd love to try a mountain.
I actually, I have.
I've been asking thatquestion, and I have yet to come
up with an animal that I wantto try, but I've been hearing great
things about an animal.
I'm.
Mountain lions.
I've never tried elk.
I want.
Actually, no, I take that back.
I've tried a piece.
I've tried elk.
That's delicious.

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So I guess my next one will bemountain lion, maybe.
Yeah.
What has been your favoritestate you've hunted?
I'm gonna say, even thoughthey kick this in the teeth with
their rate increases.
I had a blast when I huntedUtah a couple years ago.
I had a ball.
It was a muzzleloader hunt.
It was late September, early October.

(01:14:39):
I hunted an area that was.
Was pretty low pressure, butalso very low deer densities, so
you weren't seeing tons andtons of deer, but, God, this country
was spectacular.
The people in the town nearbythat I was hunting in were fantastic.
The.
I don't know.
It just.
The whole experience fromstart to finish on that deal, including

(01:14:59):
the guy that even took my deerin for taxidermy.
If you don't.
If you don't mind, I'll justthrow his name out there, but David
Butts is his name, and he doesa bunch of stuff for safari club
International, whatnot.
I guess he's pretty wellknown, but he.
He took me and he's like, ah,yeah, bring it to me.
I'll take care of you.
So I had a, I had a fantasticexperience hunting in Utah.

(01:15:21):
Not enough to pay double, butit was fun.
What is the top state you wantto hunt next?
Wyoming.
Wyoming.
I want to go to Alaska.
Yeah.
So I want to go to Alaska andhunt and sick of blacktail.
But the reason why I sayWyoming is because my son, my son
in law and my daughter, myyoungest daughter, and we have points

(01:15:44):
in Wyoming and I want to takethe kids and do a deer camp.
And we're kind of debating onwhether we're going to do mule deer
or whitetails in Wyoming.
We all have enough points.
It's kind of one of thosethings that we're trying to put together
a family deal and Wyoming isgoing to be where we're going to
go.
Well, we had someone onrecently that we could help get you

(01:16:05):
hooked up.
We've talked.
Oh, I bet that's good.
All right, good.
We've talked.
Yeah, we've, we've talked.
He's, he's, he's been.
Actually, I'll be honest withyou, he's been super helpful.
So, yeah, he's a great guy.
He's an awesome.
Yes.
Yeah, very much so.
He's super dude for the guy.
For people that don't know,we've been referring to Towson from

(01:16:25):
Wyoming.
He was on the show two weeksago, I think.
So.
That's awesome.
That might have been three.
About three weeks ago, I think.
Yeah, actually, yeah.
Yeah.
He, I reached out to him rightafter the show and he's, he's been,
he's been fun.
But yeah, he's been asking me,he's been asking me a bunch of questions
for the saddle set up with,with xop.

(01:16:46):
So I rambled off a coupledifferent things for him.
I said, you know, pick, picksomething out for the saddle that
you think is going to work for you.
And you know, when you getyour list together, hit me back up
and you know, I'll tell you togo from there.
But yeah, and I'm, I've beentalking to Dave and Brett too.
Same thing.
Because I think you guys knowI'm headed to Virginia in November.
Okay.

(01:17:07):
Eastern whitetail hunt.
So it's a good place to go.
And I'll say this real quick.
I was Dave, the reason we gotinto XOps.
It all started off with Daveand I was looking at their stuff
and I was like, I was alsolooking at other companies with their
satellite equipment stuff.
And when I talked to Dave, andhim and I were talking more and more
about xop.

(01:17:28):
One key, one factor that stoodout to me from their stuff besides
the price point and thequality work that goes into it and
everything.
With xop, I saw a photo todayof the Hyperlite from Trophy Line.
Their sticks, just like amajority of other sticks, they're

(01:17:49):
so close to the tree thatyou're basically just, you're on
your tippy toes.
And they actually took a photoof it and it was a great photo, get
me wrong, but it was proofthat all you're doing is basically
just having your toe, yourtippy toes on it.
Compared to the XOP stick, youactually can get all the way up to
like the, like the middle ofyour foot, almost your heel.
Yeah.
On an actual stick.

(01:18:11):
And so you actually feel likeyou're on it, not just like, ah,
am I barely on the stick?
Yeah, I wouldn't like that at all.
Exactly.
So you had to take that into account.
I, I wasn't think I wasn'tlooking at that point when he and
I were talking about stuff.
And so that's somethingamazing about XOP is that aspect
alone.
Yeah, I'm certainly in, in themarket because of this thing in,

(01:18:32):
in Virginia.
And that's going to be abackpack hunt into the national forest
too.
So something like that, that'squick and movable would be pretty
badass.
And, and then I could turnaround and figure out how to use
it in our, in our forest up here.
So last two questions, theyare very deep questions.
If you could pick anybody, youcan get a family member and a non

(01:18:53):
family member to go on ahunting trip with or share a campfire
with one time.
Who would they be?
Oh, good.
Well, I mean it's the age oldanswer, right.
The family member would be tobring back my grandfather who actually
got me into this.
You know, he, he passed awayin 1989 and his and my last hunt

(01:19:17):
together we were on the sideof building out a stroke.
So if I could have that momentback, I, you know, and actually have
a successful hunt, that wouldbe just freaking awesome.
And then Hollywood Dave, he'sa guide in Utah and lives out in
Nevada.
He's a mentor of mine and I,we don't get to hunt together just
because he's a guide and he'sout doing his thing.

(01:19:39):
But if I could go on a huntwith Dave, that would be, that's
me out.
So, last question.
What do you think we as fellowhunters could or should do to improve
the hunting community as a whole?
We need to get along.
We need to quit.
We need to quit squawking ateach other about, you know, rifle
hunters are this and bowhunters or that muzzleloader guys.

(01:20:01):
You guys are just a bunch of idiots.
So you know that, that kind ofthing, you know, is it white tails
or is it me do cares.
Get out in the field and goenjoy it.
Go enjoy it with your familiesor enjoy it by yourself.
You solo hunt, whatever thecase may be.
And, and quit.
Quit this infighting amongstourselves and stuff.
I mean, I just get so tired of.

(01:20:22):
And social media is going tobe the death of us all, to be honest.
And it's, it's so rampantacross that thing.
It's like some of the commentson YouTube, on people's stuff.
It's like, what purpose doesthat have?
Why are we.
Who cares?
I think that's the biggestthing we need to act as.
Go back to the folks that areopposed to the things that we do

(01:20:45):
and they're very well fundedand very well organized lobby and
they get along.
You don't see any infightingamongst the Humane Society of the
United States and this other X group.
I can't remember the nameColorado right now, top of my head.
But you don't see them arguingwith each other on anything.

(01:21:05):
They work together and they make.
And they bring in a ton ofmoney to their lobby, you know, and
we can't even, we can't evendecide whether, you know, if the
bird hunting or deer huntingor elk hunting or, you know, you
know, you, you hunt whitetailsin the east, you know, you know,
it just, it's just on and onand on.
I, I get tired of it.
No, I agree with you.

(01:21:26):
Yeah, there's.
People might look at the showand they're like, well, oh man, they
really hate each other.
Constantly picking on eachother, this and that.
No, it's not.
It's love all the way aroundwith us.
We just, that's.
Yeah, it comes hand in handwith that point of it.
Teasing your boys, teasingyour bros is one thing, but, but
some of the vitro that's on,on some of these, some of these chat

(01:21:48):
rooms and whatever else these,the comment sections and different
things are on social media.
It's just unacceptable.
I can't remember what exactlywhat the comment was, but somebody
made a comment on.
I can't think of his nameright now, but one of the, you know,
a pretty preeminent guy doessome stuff, you know, and has some

(01:22:10):
pretty good videos out thereand somebody just ran him over the,
over the Coals over what hewas doing.
And like, dude, it was entertaining.
You shot a nice buck.
Leave it at that.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's the trend.
It's the number one thing thata lot of people need to do is stop

(01:22:31):
fighting with each other.
Yeah, just shut up.
Yeah, you're all out theredoing the same.
It's just we don't do itexactly the same way.
And it's like, you know, justdo your thing, man.
Leave people alone.
Be happy for them if they'rehappy and just leave it at that,
you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, some, some of thisstuff with people because they're
non resident.
You know, I mean, and that's, that's.

(01:22:52):
I mean it's in the same breaththis stuff.
This state doesn't like nonresidents from that state.
This, I mean it just, it'slike enough we're all non resident
somewhere.
True.
We, we.
We all go other differentplaces and we're all non resident.
Just, just.
You know, anybody that comesto my state that, that wants to reach
out to me, I'm in somedifferent places out there and I'm

(01:23:13):
not going to go give them no.
Tell them creek for sure.
But I will point guys at leastin a direction so that they can at
least make.
Make themselves successful.
If they put the work in withthe information I give them, they'll
be successful.
They don't put the work in andit's not like it's a give me.
I'm not giving them the.
But I'm.
I'm certainly giving them somehelpful hints.

(01:23:34):
Right.
And I get a bunch of guys thattext me or email me or send me a
message on social media eachyear that have been successful in
some of these different areas.
They're appreciative of it andI think that's awesome.
So.
And again, I'll probably get awhole bunch of hate for.
For letting non residents comeinto Idaho.
Well, people also need.
Just need to grow the up andbe mature.
I, I don't, I don't give a.

(01:23:55):
Whatever.
Somebody wants to have somehelp come to Idaho and hunt some.
You know, I will certainly atleast give them some.
Some education.
Well, Brian, thank you so muchfor coming on the show, brother.
We greatly appreciate it.
Thank you for being fan of theshow as well.
And everyone that doesn't know.
Yes, we talk to Brian a lot.
Just off air too.
We text a lot.

(01:24:16):
Gives us some information andit's just awesome.
Like you said, we're in ourgroup texts with him as well and
well, it's Branch.
You know, you guys are my.
You guys are my friends back east.
So yeah.
And so yeah, you guys arewelcome in my home to come hunting
anytime.
So Casa.
Yeah, for sure.

(01:24:37):
Brian, how can people want toreach out to you and follow along
your journey?
How can they do that?
Social media.
I'm on Instagram,predominantly Instagram and X.
Bitterroot Reaper.
Can't miss it.
Got the my deer and death.
For anyone that wants to know,real quick, give a quick brief of
what's it mean.

(01:24:57):
What does Bitter Reaper mean?
So a Bitterroots is a mountainrange that straddles wild earthquakes,
Montana and Idaho.
It's a pretty famous range.
Jim Bridger and a bunch of the other.
Most of the other trappershunted and trapped in those areas.
So it's.
It's a pretty famous area inboth of those places.

(01:25:20):
So it's kind of that straddlesmy state, straddles Montana.
And then Reaper is just, youknow, that's what I do.
Yeah.
I go out and find bucks and.
And then my freezer squashlike to str.
Squatch likes to straddle guys.
Squatch.
How can people follow?
Well, that is kind of true.

(01:25:41):
I do like the straddle guysespecially, you know, we're in a
tent.
Like we're gonna be when weget out to freaking.
I'm gonna be in that camperand you're gonna see a chicken.
But it's not because of that reason.
Yeah.
Problem with us is it's like Velcro.
You might stick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:26:04):
So as always, you guys knowyou can find me here at 8:30pm on
the wait till AdvantageSundays and Tuesdays because I'm
like a staple of this place.
Right.
You guys also can find me atthe Garden State Outdoorsman podcast
with Mike Nitrate, Frank Mustika.
Frankie's just heading up thehelm now for the Garden State Outdoorsman.
Now he took the show over andyou can also follow me on Instagram,

(01:26:28):
outdoors and more with thesquatch and my YouTube channel that's
pretty much non existentbecause I'm in between seasons right
now on YouTube under the same header.
Well, Squatch and Brian, thankyou guys for coming on the show,
guys.
Yeah, man.
Hope you guys enjoy your restof your night.
Thank you.
Appreciate it, bud.
Oh, man.

(01:26:49):
Like I said, love Squatch.
I love Brian.
Great guys.
Well, everyone, that's goingto conclude another episode of the
Whitetail Advantage podcast.
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Tuesday.
Now Tuesday, April 8th Ibelieve it is.
Yes.
Now there's our Tuesday show,but we don't have a guest for that
day so that what we're doingon Tuesday is we're having trivia
night.
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