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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with.
Your host, Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
What is up, everyone?
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As you can see, we're doing adifferent intro tonight.
I was going to be somethingdifferent, but Johnny ruined the
surprise.
He did with everyone on the team.
He goes, well, why don't wejust don't do an intro?
Well, that was my plan.
And he goes with that.
And you know what, Johnny?
It's your idea.
My idea?
Yeah, exactly.
So why are you even here?
Not what.
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What you.
All right, guys, Now.
The show starts now.
Tna.
Yep, it's the TNA segment.
I will bring him back.
I respawned.
He's respawned.
He's back.
That's right.
Hey.
Hey, John.
Did you have a good day today?
No one cares about this day.
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Just take him away.
I don't know, but it just got better.
That looks pretty good.
Anyways, I have.
I'll say this, though, real quick.
Today is Tuesday, April 15th.
Holy.
And it is episode 146.
We're close to one.
Episode 150.
Now, we all know we're notpolitically correct.
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We recording the slot machine.
But I also do.
I do like to say this withevery show.
I also like to say thank youto all the men and women in the military.
Thank you for your service.
And also thank you to all thepolice officers, the firefighters
out there, and everyone inpublic service.
Thank you.
Thank you for your service.
I would like to.
Now, what are you gonna say, John?
Are you gonna interrupt mesome more?
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I'm gonna say, I would like tothank the top who wrote me a ticket
for rear ending a car daybefore spring break.
That was cool of you.
That was awesome.
Well, hey, my fault.
But, yeah, just pay attention.
It's really hard entering your emails.
Well, learn how to drive.
He was trying to kick that lotlizard out.
I was.
Yeah, you're out of here.
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Why don't you learn how todrive, Johnny?
Don't blame the cop.
Anyways, a couple housekeepingnotes here to start off.
I hate.
I don't like that term housekeeping.
So I'm gonna find a differentterm for that.
All right, Consuela.
All right, Consuela fromFamily Guy.
No.
Housekeeping.
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Oh, no, no.
Diabeto.
No more.
No more cookie.
Diabeto.
No more.
No more Whitetail.
Let's see here.
We do not have a show comingup on this upcoming Sunday because
it's Easter.
So if people only listen tothis on the audio version, our next
after tomorrow, which is goingto be Wednesday the 16th.
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Our next episode won't bereleased on the audio version till
the following Wednesday.
Make sure to head to our website.
Revamped it.
I think there are someproblems with it before, but it should
be working now.
Also, go make sure to checkout and get some of our merch.
It's on the.
Our separate website, buteverything's right there in the comments.
And also I do want to pointout Brian, great buddy of ours here
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at Whitetail Vanish.
He just released his first episode.
Make sure to go check out hisepisode, it's under Twilight Hunters
podcast.
It's a great episode.
Learning about health andageism in.
In hunting.
So with that being said, wewere supposed to be covering a state
in.
In Canada, but I think they're.
They're too good for us.
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Well, you know what I mean.
I know that.
Anyways.
I know that.
I know that you know that.
I know that.
See, I knew that you know that.
That I knew that.
That you knew that.
Well, I knew that you knew that.
I knew that you knew that Iknew that.
Who's on first?
I don't know, but I know.
This is getting boring, right?
All right, on to the maintopic here.
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Brett.
Yeah.
Hunt, fight, and eat.
You have to hunt one.
Fight one.
Eat one.
Oh, change it up.
Okay, yeah, change it up a bit.
Hey, no, never mind.
Ah, I'm leaving it alone.
I'm leaving it alone.
So.
And I'm just making this up onthe spot right now.
Postum raccoon.
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Beaver.
Is it the kind of beaver thatI'm thinking, or is it that real
life wild critter?
Oh, they're both the same,aren't they?
I hope not.
Because if they look like thatwhen you pull the pants down, you
better put them back up andrun and.
Put the light off.
What were they again?
Stupid ones.
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Yeah, stupid ones.
I possum.
Possum for our friend.
A raccoon and a beaver.
I'm gonna eat the raccoon.
No, you gotta do the possumfor Mike so he shuts the up.
That's why I'll eat the possumjust to shut him the up.
I'll kill the.
The beaver.
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And the last one is hunt the.
Yeah, the raccoon.
There you go, Michael.
I'll try an opossum for you.
You know what?
How about this?
If we go down to Indiana and Isee opossum, I'm gonna shoot the.
I'll film me cooking it overthe fire, and I'll flavor it up with
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some flavors of the Forest.
And I'm gonna.
We'll all eat some and we'll all.
Eat some and then we'll show you.
Look, Michael, we've all tried it.
It tastes like ass.
We all come up with sepsis andwe end up in the hospital.
And you're to blame.
Mike.
Yeah.
How you doing?
Brett's older brother.
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What?
You don't know how to cook, bruh?
He says you can't cook possum.
You don't know how to cook.
I'm gonna have these guys here.
We'll.
We'll teach them.
Don't worry.
We'll teach them.
I know how to cook.
I'm not stupid.
So why don't we do that duringturkey season too?
Like if we see a possum, we'lljust smoke it.
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Well, then we'll smoke.
Might be pretty decent.
It could be.
I'm down to try that.
Dan says awesome is delicious.
Who said that?
Dan.
Dan's probably tried possum.
He probably had possum parmesan.
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Possum lasagna.
Yeah, Dan's gonna stick at possum.
Was one of those new Rhett'sbroadheads I sent him.
Nice.
You just sent him one.
Yeah, he sent him one.
One generous.
The practice tip too.
Probably.
Probably used one.
It's a rubber one.
It's a used one.
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It's the box without a Broadway.
Mine came with deer hair.
Well, these are pre used.
Boy.
Broadhead looks like buddy.
Well, this really does.
Michael says.
He says.
Wait, I have a question.
Oh, God.
Why am I not surprised boys have.
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A penis and girls have a vagina?
There's your answer.
Yeah, that's your answer.
We do actually have a topicfor tonight.
Are you assuming somebody's gender?
Oh my God.
Like Brett's white.
Hey, look, look.
Squats.
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No, no, the Mrs.
The one and only.
I'll text her.
Squatch will like it.
Dude, she is a 60 year oldplus goddess.
I mean, if you guys haven'tseen her, watch his website.
He's got pictures of herposted everywhere.
Yeah, there's.
There's new ones.
There's new ones every day.
But yeah, I was gonna say Iwas looking on your Grinder page.
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There was all kinds of pictures.
I know.
I gotta update it.
It's only like a half hour behind.
So it looks like what I didwas I strategically place moultrie
cameras that send me soulpictures every.
So Brett's dad's house that hedon't know about, that looked like,
you know, stuff.
Deer.
You know, I'm ser.
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I'm really serious though, guys.
What?
I don't know what happenedwith him, but she's.
She's really beautiful woman.
I don't know what happened.
He might be milkman materialor I don't know.
But his family all has blonde hair.
Blue eyes, FedEx driver, youknow, she's.
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Got like blondish hair.
He's a ginger.
I don't know.
I don't know where that came from.
It came from.
Where did I get my ginger side?
From a leprechaun.
My great.
My great grandpa on my mom's side.
Do you post it on your only fans.
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Only fans account?
The only problem with my onlyfans account is I'm the only fan.
You pay yourself 9.95amonth.
I.
I'm making a killing on myself.
Really?
That's right.
So I was thinking for tonightwe just sit back and we just tell
some stories.
Our first kill.
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What kind of story our for?
Hey.
Oh, my God.
We have a surprise guest.
Now what?
Holy Mc Boven.
No.
Who is it?
Oh, the silent partner.
Oh, he was the pro.
He was the producer.
But he's been busy doing someside and I told him that, hey, why
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don't you jump on?
We're talking Muslim stories.
It looks like he is here.
Well, hello, good sir.
Producer, are you there?
Oh, I'm here.
Holy.
The missing link.
Always a missing link.
Is he under a blanket?
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I also hear, I will say this.
So because of his line ofwork, he needs to not have his.
It's.
He's just here.
That was the deal that him andI made.
He has to do that because ofhis line of work.
Very nice.
So, and I will add, he's doinga fine job working for me, giving
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me pictures of Ms.
Bowie.
We call him the producer orthe Deucer.
The Douche.
All right.
And he's.
He's quiet all the time.
No, he doesn't like to talk.
No one likes him.
Pay no attention to the man.
Right.
You fish deucer.
I fish, hunt, anything.
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I don't care.
Wow.
That's right.
Well, he definitely.
He definitely fits on this show.
Well, there you go.
He fits on this show, that'sfor sure.
Congratulations.
F and Fox, you're in.
That's it?
Well, until my mom answers us back.
Yeah, I was just thinkinglet's just share some.
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Share some hunting stories.
Our first kill, Our mostmemorable one.
I'll go first.
Yeah.
Okay.
That was only like two yearsago with your first kills.
Shouldn't be that it was last year.
Well, there you go.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you're right andwrong with two years.
I mean.
Yes.
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Told it out my Prius.
You know, the wife was pissed.
Oh, man, that white.
When she saw that I killed itwith that her Prius, she was batshit
crazy pissed at me.
I can't disclose what he does,Michael, but I'll just say this.
It requires him to be.
What's that word?
Anonymous.
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Needs to be anonymous.
No.
So my first time, my firstkill, I was 12 years old, and I was
practicing over and over againwith my bow.
And my dad taught me wasfinger releases.
And that was big at the time,obviously, for him growing up.
And finger releases weren't athing till when I got older.
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Daniel commented.
There sure is a lot of cops onthis podcast.
Hey, Dan, we will not give ouraddress, okay?
We've done a lot of illegal.
Well, listen, I'll give myaddress out, but just bring a shovel
at least.
Yeah, we just feed them to the pigs.
Dave is lie, deny, and counter accused.
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I didn't do it.
You did it.
Don't know what you're talking about.
Yep.
But I was practicing getting.
Trying to be the best I could be.
I was 12 years old, I'll leaveit somewhat short.
And went out in the woods withmy dad.
He.
He said that I want to bethere for you when you.
When you get your first deer.
So he had.
He had me set up in my stand.
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And then about 30 to 40 yardsaway from me was his stand.
And one day I shot my.
My first.
I shot at my first deer.
It was a doe.
I missed and went rightunderneath her stomach.
I crawled, cried like a littlebaby back.
And all I remember is my dadgetting down from his tree stand.
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It was like an hour left of sunlight.
Picked up my arrow, climbed upmy tree stand and is looking me.
I kid you not.
I'm.
I'm legit crying.
Tears are falling down my face.
And he goes, brett, why areyou crying?
So I practiced and I practicedand I missed.
I wanted that right there.
And it was perfect.
It was a perfect broadsideshot at 20 yards.
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And he said, well, in thisfamily, we only bow hunt, and that's
hunting, and that's bow hunting.
So you gotta get used to itand you have to accept it and move
on.
And ever since that point,basically, I think as all human beings,
we need to embrace failure,but we can't accept failure.
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And that day, I had to embracethe suck of it all.
And I went back out to practicing.
A week later, I shot my firstforker, a Four pointer.
And it was the best time of my life.
I was able to shoot it.
Exact same spot as that dough.
A week prior, he ran off.
And I was so excited Icouldn't even get out of my stand.
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My dad's like, wait there.
You just don't move.
We have to watch where he's going.
And.
And then we got down and wewent up back to the house to get
our.
Put our stuff away and let momknow that we got a deer.
So.
And my mom, she loves tofollow us on the deer tracks.
She just loves doing that.
However, this one, my dadsaid, nope.
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It's our first time togetheras father and son.
It's going to be ours only.
So we went down there, findthe deer, and I kid you not, we cut
the balls off and we hung themin a tree and we took some blood.
I was.
He said, I was a new alpha in there.
You gotta show your dominance.
And we took some blood andwiped it on my face and, and got
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home and cleaned it out.
And I will tell you this, Ialmost threw up because that was
my first time smelling likethe intestines and, and all that.
And all that stuff inside.
I was like.
And Yeah, I was 12 years old.
That's why your eyes up?
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Yeah, it smelled so bad.
It squinched my eye.
Oh, God.
That was from a scope.
His dad said, turn it sidewaysand put it right up to your eye.
Dad has a lifetime ofdisappointment in him already.
Yeah, come on.
We all know that was a injuryand he's a little cockeyed from it,
so leave him alone.
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Mother shift wild.
Well, that.
That was my first time.
And did any of you guys have a Kleenex?
Because that.
That was a real tear jerkerfor me.
Thanks, Johnny.
That.
Hey, Johnny.
Johnny, hand that over here again.
Johnny, hand it out to the screen.
Oh, thanks, John.
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There you go.
All right, that's perfect.
I could go get some of mywife's tampons for you if that'll
work.
Oh, yeah, yeah, it better be about.
That bit around for Brett.
So that was your whole story?
Yeah, that was my first.
That was my first two kill.
That's it.
All right, squad, tell us yourfirst kill.
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Oh, Jesus.
Which.
What do you want, bow or rifle?
Your very first kill.
That was my very first kill.
All right, well, Brett's myvery first harvest.
It was with a gun.
It wasn't with a bow and arrow.
But yeah, Michael did it toowith his first gear deer and the
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balls in the tree.
So I was.
Holy.
How old was I.
3.
No, it wasn't that old.
It was like I was probably eight.
I wasn't that old.
No, I was like eight or nineor something.
I think it was like maybeeight or nine some somewhere in that
area.
Well, anyway, I grew up inrural upstate here and it's.
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We were fortunate to have 125acres of our own.
It was, you know, good, realgood hunting land.
And my father wasn't much of atree stand guy until.
Oh, I.
I don't know, I was probably14 or 15 before we really.
Well, he had once he had onedeer stand that he built, but with
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me we built a couple down inthe swamp.
But anyway, we didn't hunt thestand that day.
He was sitting on a fivegallon bucket and he, you know, it
was rifle season and I'mbusting his, busting his ass about
taking me out, taking me out.
And he said, listen to me, youknow where the bucket is in the swamp?
I said, yeah, Pop, I, I know.
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He says, when you get off thebus, put on some real warm clothes
and come down real slow and,you know, meet up with me here and
we'll sit here together.
And I said, okay, Pop, I'llcome down right after the bus, you
know, lets me off.
I'll get dressed.
I'll come down.
Don't forget your orange.
I said, I know, I know.
I'll bring my orange vest.
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So I start walking down realslow like he taught me.
A couple steps and stop andlooking around a couple more, couple
more.
Well, I start to break intothe swamp and I look up the hill
and I see all these deer goingup the ridge, up, up the hill.
I says, oh, he's going to kill me.
I just spooked.
All the deer out of that werecoming down to him, right?
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So I'm like, all right.
So I stood still for a coupleminutes and then I walked real slow
some more and I get up to himand he says, come on, come on, sit,
sit.
So I.
I messed up.
And he says, what'd you mess up?
I said, all the deer just wentup the hill.
How many?
I said, probably 15 or so.
Okay, okay.
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He says, it's all right, it'sall right.
I said, well, I feel bad, youknow, I screwed the hunt up, Pop.
He says, no, no, you'll be all right.
We'll be all right.
We'll just sit here.
So he had just got a Marlin 9millimeter camp carbine rifle, which
the reason why he bought itfor one, it was a semi automatic.
It was 9 millimeter.
And it still took the samemagazines that his Beretta model
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92F used.
So he liked it.
It was just something he hadto have.
And he said to me, he says,listen to me, son.
He said, when it starts to getdark, they're going to come through
this hole in the rock wall.
I'm going to give you the gun.
I says, okay.
He said, keep pulling thetrigger until I tell you to stop.
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And I said, okay, pop, I will,I will.
He says, you put it rightwhere I, I taught you.
Right on the vitals, Right inthe right, in a good kill zone.
Okay.
All right.
So we're waiting and waiting,and it's starting to get a little
bit near dark.
And he, he just tapped me real light.
And he says to the right.
And I look and there's a goodsized doe coming in.
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And he says, here, here, getthe rifle, get the rifle.
I said, okay.
And I, I, he says, get it, getit up to your shoulder now.
I said, yep.
He says, do you see the deerin the scope?
And when I was younger, I hada, I, I just, I didn't really like
scopes.
I, I've shot better with iron sights.
I had a problem with trying toline my eye up into the scope and
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get the whole picture theright way.
And his was short enough whereI could look through it and I could
see the deer.
And I saw the deer standingthere, and I said, dad, I see it.
Can I shoot?
He says, are you on her?
And I said, yeah.
He said, remember what I told you?
Just keep shooting until Itell you to stop.
I said, okay.
He goes, go ahead.
So, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.
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He's going, stop, stop, stop.
And he rip, he freaking takesthe gun and rips it out of my hands.
He says, what the hell are you doing?
I said, you didn't say stop?
He's like, yeah, I told you stop.
After the second shot.
You got her?
Well, the, the doe tumbles over.
I got her about four shots outof the six.
I probably let fly.
And the dough went downliterally yards in front of us.
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So, you know, you're a youngkid, you know, and all this hits
you, and it was just awhirlwind of emotions.
I mean, we were, like, happy.
I was broke up.
I, I, I didn't know what to experience.
And he says, all right, allright, listen, we got to get this
deer out of here.
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He says, so I'm going to teachyou how to gut it out.
It's getting dark.
You got to hold the light.
Okay.
So, you know, same thing.
You hold the leg.
He's showing you what to do.
And.
And, you know, that was my.
My first deer sitting on myold man's lap.
That was the first deer I ever killed.
And it was.
It was the next year afterthey had decided that I knew enough
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that I could go out on my ownwith them being around, but in a
different area, not exactlyright next to them.
And then I had got my firstdoe by myself with.
With the rifle, but I was ableto get a bow after that.
I shot a four pointer, was myfirst buck with the bow and then
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a bunch of deer after that.
But, yeah, you know, it's oneof those things you'll never forget.
I'll go down.
My.
My cousin owns the propertynow because my grandparents built,
died, passed on, and then hebought the property.
And it's.
It's hard.
I can't even go past that tree.
So.
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Yeah.
But pretty cool.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
Yep.
Well, mine wasn't as ventfulas yours.
Right now we can't evencompare to.
Mine was more up than anything.
Moved back from Texas to movein with us.
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Dave, you share your story,and then we'll have John go after
you.
Okay.
And then the deucer is goingto share a story too.
All right.
All right.
I don't even remember how oldI was.
Jesus Christ.
It's 10, 11, 12, somethinglike that.
Well, he was around when youstarted hunting, so.
Well, this isn't the same uncle.
This is the other one.
Not the one that got me into hunting.
This is his brother.
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Is that when dinosaurs roamthe earth?
Right after that comment.
So he was the.
He was the master of drinkinggoble beer, if you've ever heard
of Global, the brand.
Oh, yeah.
So he handed me one day andsaid, yep, you're gonna go hunt.
We're gonna go hunting tomorrow.
And I'm like, okay.
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I don't even.
I don't even think he knew.
He gave me this shotgun, thisMossberg pump 16 gauge, and he just
handed it to me the nightbefore and said, here's some buckshot.
Go shoot that tree in the yard.
So I went and shot it, andhe's like, yep, you're good to go.
So we live basically nothingbut woods around us.
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And we go out the next nightand we got my flatlander cousin or
my uncle, my.
My Aunt Beth's husband.
Never been hunt before.
Never shot a gun, never did nothing.
Decided he wanted to gohunting one time.
So they drop him off.
He's like 300 yards further inthe woods to me.
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My uncle sets me and he'slike, here's my prime spot, you know,
Shoot the biggest deer thatcomes out, whatever it is.
And I'm like, all right.
And I probably at that age,you know, shouldn't be left alone,
but I didn't give a.
I had a shotgun.
He says, walk straight aheadabout a hundred yards.
You'll see a valley of red.
And I go, what the fuck's that mean?
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And he says, you'll just see it.
And he leaves.
I need.
And I go out there and I seebasically a dump truck pile of apples
with a box blind.
So I'm sitting there and Idon't know what to do.
I'm just sitting there.
And just before dusk, herecomes about 10 does.
Yep.
And I'm like, well, I'm justgonna shoot the biggest one, whatever
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it is.
Yeah.
And I shoot.
And I'm in a piece of metalfolding chair and it rocks me back.
And I look down again andeverything's gone.
I'm like, holy, I missed it.
How the did I miss it?
It's like 15, 20 yards with,you know, with some three inch.
So I just sit there and I'm.
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Like, what the hell?
Then all of a sudden, probablylike five minutes later, I'm watching
and apples are like flippingin the air and it's starting to freak
me the out.
Like, why are these applesjumping in the air?
So I racked another shell andI walk on the other side of that
pile and there's this big assdo just dumped over.
Yeah.
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So I sit there and he says,oh, I'll come back and get you.
And I'm like, all right.
And my uncle Mike heard.
So he comes running, he's allfreaking out and like, yeah, that's
awesome.
And yeah.
So my Uncle Tim comes back,picks us up, says, hey, I'll take
you home.
I'll take care of the deer.
And I'm like, okay.
So he drops off to my uncleDan's or my uncle Jay's, and it's
like 11 o'clock and like, heain't coming back.
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I'm like, where the is he at?
So I call up my mom because heonly lives like half a mile away.
And she's like, oh, yeah,Uncle Tim's over here.
He's frying up venison.
And I'm like, what?
He's like, yeah, dude, he'sfrying up venison.
So I beeline for the woods andhe had the back straps Ate up.
He had that all cut up andquartered up, and it was all laying
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on the table in the sink.
Wasn't even gonna share it.
It was my deer.
I was like, what the.
Yep.
Yeah.
And then pretty much afterthat, when I got older, me and Dan,
pretty much.
We grew up together since wewere, like, kids when he moved from
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North Carolina.
So we.
We pretty much hunted togetherat his aunt's farm, which he owns
now because she passed.
And we just.
We put the murder on them out there.
Allegedly.
Well, they got the blockpermits for crop damage.
Oh, nice.
So she would put them.
No, Down.
Up north.
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North Baldwin.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Because Dan's from up there, too.
And she would put a bale ofcircle hay out in the middle of her
field out in front of the house.
Yeah.
And we.
And we would just sit thereand wait for them to all come, and
then we got the skss out andjust started unloading on them.
And they couldn't run becauseit was all ice.
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It froze.
Yeah.
And then we load the back ofhis truck up with, like, 10, 15 deer
at a time, and we take theminto Baldwin, and we would sell them
for, like, 40 bucks a pop.
Nice, man.
We made a killing that year, I bet.
Now.
Did they?
Is that, like, back then, I'massuming it was more, obviously more
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popular.
Nowadays, it's kind of lesspopular, in my opinion, where they
have, like, those.
The meat processing place, andthey have those two.
Those giant hang your deertype thing.
It was really popular.
Yeah.
Your block pole type deal.
Yeah, we.
We.
Me and Dan did that a lot.
We still do.
We still do it out his house,and then he has one behind the farmhouse,
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too.
But we still do the buck pole.
We got one at the cottage upnorth, too.
Yeah, we just hang ours in atree now.
But I always thought that wascool to see that, especially like
the.
The black and white photos.
I always thought that wasreally cool to see.
They kind of.
I think there's a place inschoolcraft or portage someplace
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in that area that still doesthat type of thing where they.
Everyone brings their deer andthey hang them up on these on the
butt poles, and you just see,like, 20 deer on them.
Indiana this year.
Yeah.
Up here, it was popular.
Like in the Adirondack deer camps.
The guys would run a buckbowl, hang their bucks up on it and
stuff like that.
When we went up to.
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We used to go up to Bruce's crossings.
Oh, that's cool.
Hey, I know where Bruce'scrossings at.
That's right.
Next to that.
My uncle's cabin.
Yeah.
So me and Dan and a couplebuddy of ours went up there for a
weekend.
We leased some property upthere and we went up and unloaded
on them and they had a buckpole right in front of the.
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Basically it's a hotel slashgas station.
And we rented this big suiteout and they had a big buck pole
and our friend Stan.
Actually it was funny, we wentto the casino and we came back and
the one that was that youcould see is all ate the up.
That was our friend Stan.
The coyotes were on it.
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On his.
Yeah.
Yep.
The coyote was.
Was eating the ass and hiswhole deer when we came back from
the casino.
Yeah, it was funnier than left.
Everybody else's alone justate stands.
His was like the size of a dogtoo though.
So it's probably why it wentfor that one.
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Matter of fact, it may havebeen a chocolate lab.
It could have.
And then, and then that day we went.
We went back because a coupleof the other guys are too much of
to go hunt.
Hunting.
So you know, I don't like that language.
I don't like that type of language.
Yeah.
Anyway, that guy, me and Danstuck this.
This deer with a beer can anda cigarette mouth in.
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In our friend's bed.
Yeah.
And the cleaning lady came inand she lost her.
She freaked the out.
You know, Brett said.
Brett said he went to a placecalled Bruce's Crossing, but this
is what he was looking for.
That was Bruce crossing the street.
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No, we had fun up there.
If, if we weren't banned fromthat hotel, we probably would have
went back.
Dude, how do they know thatyou're banned now?
Let's go back and try it.
Let's just do it again.
Yeah.
That was 20 years ago, if not longer.
Yeah, sorry.
Brett wasn't even born then.
Yeah, I was born 93.
Yeah.
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Me and Dan used to go up tothat property where we were going
to bear hunt.
And my ex in laws owned 93.
This.
This luck is I got this primespot out behind the property there.
And there's just a few.
It's all cedar swamp butted upto like 10,000 acres of meat paper.
And there's some high ground.
So I had this spot.
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I shot a couple nice deer outof it.
I found a better spot.
So I told Dan, hey, just sit here.
I always see deer here.
I always see at least one ortwo bucks.
I make it to my spot in my popup, probably sitting five minutes
and I heard boom.
And I'm like, you Got to be.
And this is back in the two.
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Way radio, walkie talkie days,net sell days.
Yep.
And I said, was that you?
And he says, yep, I justsmoked an eight point.
And I go, kid me, you.
And then he was all pissed offand I'm like, why are we.
So we left and went back gothis deer because I was.
I had a giant black beartrying to stalk my ass.
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So we went back and got theMac 90s with the drum clip.
Waiting for that.
Oh, but he said as he droppedthat eight point, he said his granddad
was right behind him.
And he said he was huge.
And he didn't even see thatbuck until it dropped.
And then he looked and he'slike, oh, my God.
Now, before we get to Johnny,my mom said she's got a free minute.
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Oh, Squats.
He just turned red.
Yeah, you can see the cheeks blushing.
Weird.
I gotta check out somethingreal quick.
Grinding with a Squatch D.
Can you guys hear that?
No.
No.
Oh, I hear something.
Hello?
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Hang on.
I heard her say I'm here.
Can you hear us?
Yeah.
Oh, there she is.
Hi, mom.
Here I am.
Hello.
How are you?
Hi, Ms.
Bowman.
Hello.
Hello.
Hey.
Hey.
You two settle.
You two settle down.
Hello.
I'm the Christian of all of them.
Yeah, well.
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Oh, I'm the Christian thattook a wrong U turn, but yeah, you
did.
I just.
I just want to introduce myself.
I'm the Squatch.
And you're.
You're like.
You're like.
I don't even know.
I might have lost for words.
I'm jumbled up.
What an Honor to meet Ms.
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Bo.
Well.
Well, it's an honor to meet you.
Brett has talked about you allso much.
Thank you.
That skin.
Scary.
And yeah, whatever he said,it's a lie.
Oh, he.
No, he speaks highly of all of you.
Oh, that's nice.
Great.
You are a good liar.
You were right.
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I'm liking you more and moreevery day.
Yeah.
Well, mom, I just wanted to.
I just wanted you to call inbecause we wanted.
We didn't get to the lasttime, so we just wanted to.
Hey, squad, stop smiling nowand make.
The old man blush.
He's gonna go to bed withbutterflies in the air and cuddle
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up to a teddy bear.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
No, that's it.
You got a good kid.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I think he's a good kid as well.
He is.
He's pretty much like ourlittle brother.
Yeah, well, for some of us grandkids.
Yeah.
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These guys were walking aroundwhen Cars were invented.
Yeah.
Oh, Bo.
What year did you graduate, Brett?
2012.
Oh, my God.
I had already.
Well, no, I was just gettingready to retire out of the army at
that point.
Wow.
Yeah, I was.
I graduated high school whenyou were born, Brett.
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I graduated in 88.
You guys are old.
I graduated in 85.
Well, that's not.
Yeah, see, that's.
That's not.
Well, I'll be 56 in June, so.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're still.
You're.
You're still young.
Yeah.
Oh, I know all the time.
Yeah, I do.
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Hey, like the song says, olderwomen make beautiful lovers, and
I'm a firm believer.
Oh, yeah.
You're a wonderful man.
Well, thank you, Brad.
Looks like you got a new daddy.
Don't forget Father's Day.
Yeah, don't forget Father'sDay is coming up, Brett.
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Right.
Yeah.
Let's call my dad now and seewhat he has to say.
Conversation, Brett, you mightwant to make sure you get that back.
Child support.
Done.
Hey, Brett.
Y.
Hey, Brett, you remember howyou made us disappear before?
When your dad comes on, justhit that button for me, all right?
Dude, we gotta get your.
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We gotta get your dad on now.
Dude, we gotta get your dad on.
You guys are wonderful people.
Thanks.
Well, thank you, Mom.
I don't want to tie you up.
I know it's late.
All right.
You guys have a wonderful night.
God bless you.
Nice meeting you, too.
Nice meeting you.
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Love you, Brett.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye, Brett.
Tell your mom you love her.
Come on.
I did.
Oh, okay.
Made sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't make your new daddy comeover there and spank you.
Go.
Maybe take the belt off, boy.
Yeah.
Oh, my mom chased me one timewith a belt.
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I pissed her off, and it wasthe one time she legit chased me
with a belt, and I ran away.
That's funny, man.
And then you ran into a wall,and that's why your eyes all up.
I told you guys.
He fits right in.
Man, doorknobs.
Well, Johnny, now it's your turn.
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Yeah, tell us.
Tell us your jacking story.
Yeah.
Second tour of Nam.
I don't like talking about it.
I was just gonna say, wait a minute.
Is this when you get shot inthe neck?
Is this when you get.
Oh.
Oh, God.
Way before that.
Oh, okay.
2006, Iraq.
No, honest to God, I.
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I killed a dive way before Ikilled my first deer.
My first deer.
I was well into my 30s when Ikilled him.
It was a.
So my first year, once I gotout of the army is when I really
started Hunting.
Before that, it was kind oflike I'd use it as an excuse to get
out of school.
Yeah.
So good excuse.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And it worked.
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Then once my dad would wakeup, he'd wake me up.
I don't want to go.
And then of course, he washappy because he didn't have to babysit
me.
So, yeah, it was a win win, Right?
But no, I was doing a hunt in.
Where was I?
Nebraska?
Yeah.
No, Missouri.
I was in Missouri.
So I did a Missouri and Kansas hunt.
Then we were duck hunting inNebraska as well.
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But I was in Missouri rifle hunting.
Because at the same time,rifle season in Missouri is bow season
in Kansas, and we're hunting both.
So I'm in Missouri, and wewere on a three day hunt, and it
was for Wounded warriors inAction Foundation.
Nice, dude.
The first full day I would seedeer, I'm like, oh, that's a nice
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spot.
It's a nice spot.
And they're like, no, no, no.
Just wait.
Just wait.
Like, okay.
So I'm like, taking advicefrom these guys, right?
They're like, I'm like, that'sa beautiful basket rat.
No, no, no, no.
Just hold on.
So I did, and I waited untilthe very last day.
And it's like the sun setting,and for hours we didn't see anything.
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And I'm like, heartbroken, dude.
I'm like, I'm in Missourihunting whitetail.
I.
I'm seeing all these beautifuldeer, and you guys are telling me
not to shoot.
And now it's the last day andwe haven't seen jack.
Like, we didn't see anything.
And I was using a Ruger M77and 300 wind mag.
That was the rifle they gaveme, right?
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This one lone doe, like, herspots must have just.
Just came off.
Like, she comes up right at D,like right as the sun setting.
And the dude that's with me islike, he's like, shooter, shooter,
shooter.
That.
That's a shooter shooter.
I like, all right, all right,all right.
And put the crosshairs rightbehind the shoulder.
Boom.
Dude.
This deer cartwheels andtumbles down.
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I'm like, yes.
I'm all excited.
And the dad's like, all right,we'll give her a little bit of time
and we'll walk up there.
I'm like, all right, cool.
You know, don't see any more deer.
The sun sets and we go upthere and we walk, right?
We walk up and we're like,where the hell is she?
She's gone.
And we're like, well, let'slook around.
And we follow blood trail.
And right where I shot her,about 12 yards out, there's a giant,
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like, ridge that went down.
She had tumbled down that andwrapped around a tree, dude.
I was like, I'll go grab her.
And I went down there.
I seen her, dude.
It was, like, picked her up bythe hind legs with one hand and lift
her up.
It was the smallest deer I'veever shot.
It was.
It was embarrassing becauseall these people are.
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You know, it's a veterancommunity hunt.
All these dudes are smokingthese giant bucks, and I come to
camp with this, like, tinylittle dough that you can hold in
both hands.
Yours are the best tasting, though.
Oh, my God, dude.
So my most memorableexperience out of that whole hunt,
right?
And they're standing it outand everything for me, and I'm like,
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all right, cool.
You know, and they're like,all right, we're just gonna leave
the.
Leave the carcass here.
I was like, whoa, whoa.
But what about the loins?
And they're like, oh, no, wedon't take those.
Those are.
That's coyote meat.
I was like, oh.
Like, that was.
I always remembered my dadtaking those.
And these dudes were like,nah, man.
We don't eat those.
So we cut.
I cut them out.
And I was like, oh, these are coming.
Dude, those lines are, like,that big.
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They're so tiny.
But, yeah, that was.
That was my first year.
It was.
Yeah.
Nothing special.
Super small.
I was 30.
I think I was 31.
32, possibly.
No, I was 31.
So I turned 30 in Kansas, andthen I went hunting after that.
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So, yeah, so everybody butBrett's popped their dough cherry.
Yeah.
Yeah, we got to get Brett.
Brett's got to get himself hisdough in Indiana.
Exactly.
I'm gonna get.
I.
I haven't.
I haven't shot a DOE in the18, 20 years I've been hunting.
I shot at does, but I neverfound them.
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But I have yet to put my tagon a dough.
Wow.
I'm getting a doe tag, though.
Oh, yeah.
I'm buying a doe tag and abuck tag.
Yep.
I am, too.
I figured, man, nothing betterat a camp than fresh venison.
Oh, absolutely.
You know, we get a coupledeer, man, we'll eat like kings.
And I'm hoping to be able tobring back some help for you guys,
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too.
Oh, that would be awesome.
Yeah, that'd be nice.
I'll be doing that right before.
So.
No, it's.
So I'll be leaving the firstWeek of September, out to Oregon
to hunt.
And we're about a month later,so, yeah, I'll have it all back here
for sure.
Well, I love to taste that.
Michael S.
Brett, what has been thebiggest buck you have shot?
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It's been a deer called Fish hook.
He scored 144 and some change.
He is my biggest deer.
I shot him in 20, 20.
Yeah, yeah.
20, 21.
Yeah, yeah.
Is that the one in the intro video?
Yep.
Yeah, yeah, yep.
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I remember that one distinctly.
And.
And Deucer will get to yourstory here in a second.
I remember.
I won't get into all thedetails about it, but I remember
what's special about himbesides all the other facts.
A couple of facts that werespecial about him was when I put
my trail cameras out there, Iwas late to the game.
I didn't put the cameras outtill the end of August, and I went
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to check them a week beforeopening day.
And the very first two photoswere of, like, the wind and, like,
some trees just from thenatural movement along.
And the very first picture ofan actual deer was him.
I was like.
And he's standing right infront of my tree stand.
I show my dad.
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I'm like, dad, look at this.
This thing's giant.
And I hunted him hard and forthe first, like, month, and I didn't
shoot him till November 3rd.
And I can tell that story at adifferent time.
But, yeah, that.
That's my very first harvestis going to be one memorable one,
that's for sure, because itwas with my dad and my Fish Hook
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kill.
That one is going to be veryspecial in my heart because it was
pseudo with my dad as well.
The backstory with that is, ismy dad was part of that as well.
So, Deucer, do you have a story?
Well, it's gonna be hard tobeat all you guys, but we'll.
We'll try this one out.
I guess I will.
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I will precursor this this much.
Is Deucer just getting backinto hunting?
He took sabbatical from hunting.
Right, Dooser, You.
You were gone for a while.
Yeah, about 10 years off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
So I was probably about 9years old with my uncles and my grandfather.
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First time in Canada.
Grandfather already taggedhimself out.
My one uncle already taggedhimself out.
And my other uncle, he had onemore tag left.
And, you know, me being youngin another state, out camping, I'm
just having fun.
I don't give a fuck.
So I go out hunt first time,and my uncle's like, well, first
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one we see we're gonna drop.
Doesn't matter.
Okay, sounds good.
Light's going down.
Getting a little dark.
Not too dark, but enough to see.
Seen something come on in.
Seen two.
It looked like two coming in,but they were really close to each
other.
But one perched up.
So I figured there was a hill there.
So after I shot it, told myuncle, hey, I got one, two to the
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left.
So he was gonna take the oneto the right and I was gonna take
one to the left.
So we shot the same time.
Come to find out, this iswhere the funniest part comes, is
we stopped a buck from fuckingthe dope, so.
And he was still in, huh?
Yeah.
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Yeah.
So get back.
Shit you not.
We go and get the deer.
I drop him.
He's still inside this doe.
So we're laughing all the way back.
We called, you know, we useour next cell phones.
I remember those trips.
Told my grandfather to bringthe four wheeler out.
He comes out and the firstthing my grandfather says, well,
I hope he got his nut off.
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So we.
We cooked him up.
And while we were, you know, my.
My uncle's like, I think Itaste a little creamy in this one.
So again.
And then second one was this.
What was it last year, Brett?
I talked to you about it.
Yeah.
First time back out, doe orbow hunting.
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Sit up in a tree, saying, nowI've been out for 10 years.
So I don't.
I can't remember the times and nothing.
I'm up in the.
On a public land and all that.
Sitting up in a tree stand,sitting there.
It's getting daylight.
It's 7:00.
For some reason, I think Ican't shoot until 7:15.
I have my bow draw, sittingthere waiting.
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Had a big doe come on out, andI waited and waited.
I had perfect broadside hit.
It was so close, I could havejust dropped it right there.
I had perfect sights, everything.
And I waited, still looking atmy watch like, hurry the fuck up.
Hurry up.
7:15.
Well, my buddy sat there,waited for me to shoot it for at
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least five minutes.
Ended up taking a shot.
I seen it drop.
I'm like, dude, what the fuck?
You're supposed to wait till 7:15.
He's like, no, dumbass, you'resupposed to shoot at 7.
Never saw another deer after that.
I was pissed.
I leave it up to Brett because he.
He gave me a bad spot.
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That sounds like some brightright there.
I blame Brett's eye because,you know, he looks that all up.
I expected the picture hesends me.
Yeah, that I'd get you every time.
Yeah.
Dad should have been the other way.
He could have made that eye better.
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That's.
Yeah, he shoots a bow, youknow, with that eye the way it is.
But I guess that's the eyethat I close.
You don't even have to close it.
It's.
It's already closed it automatically.
No, so for.
For retrospring 1 forreference, I.
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I have like.
It's like foreskin in the.
Of the eyelid, basically.
There's extra skin in myeyelid, and I'm.
I'm trying to go the doctorsto where they can cut that stuff
off.
Give you a lift.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is that what we're calling it now?
Yeah.
I just thought that you shotso much you got callus on your eye
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and.
And you know, that's what happened.
Well, he took shots so muchthat he's got.
He's got to be able to put agun in his hand first, you know,
get put down bow and thinkhe's a real man.
Yeah, well, there's a jokeabout that.
So let.
Let me tell the joke real quick.
So there was this kid, and he.
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He had a deformity when he was born.
He.
He was born without any eyelids.
So the doctor said, well, wecan heal this, but.
But, you know, we'll have totake the skin from when he gets circumcised
and we'll use his foreskin togive him eyelids.
A poor little bastard turnedout all right, but he just went through
life being a little cockeyed,you know, And I mean, it's right
up Brett's alley.
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Ended up being a little cockeyed.
That story sounds like Brett.
Brett, did that.
That foreskin come from your daddy?
From that mushroom tipstabbing him in the eye when he was
a baby in there.
Sorry about that.
Br.
How's it going?
Let me.
Sorry.
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Damn.
We should ask his mom when shewas on.
Yeah, I do want to ask out ofall these stories now, Deucer might
not be able to.
He might be able to elaboratea little bit on this question, but
at least for us four, mybiggest question now from this.
Because we've been hunting nowfor 20 plus years now, sharing these
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stories, we've always.
We've obviously gone through a lot.
A lot of ups and downs throughhunting, a lot of emotional aspects
of hunting.
And one question I want to ask now.
What's been the biggestmistake or biggest adversity that
you've gone through that youfeel has made you a.
A better hunter now?
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Because going through that andI will say mine first to give you
guys kind of like an ideawhere I'm trying to go with this.
When I shot my.
When I shot my first dough andI missed.
Like I said, embrace failure,but don't accept it.
There's a lot of moments whereI've had in my hunting career where
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I just wanted to quit.
I wanted to give up.
I was like this.
Hunting.
I just can't do it.
I'm tired of.
I can't not seeing deer, I'mmissing deer and this and that.
I'm tired of this.
Then I just rooted back intomy upbringings.
And my personal drive is Idon't quit.
I've never quit anything in my life.
And because of going throughthose moments where it's just like.
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Seems nothing can go right.
It's the moments where you gotto just suck it the fuck up, practice
more, read more, study more.
And you'll eventually come.
It'll eventually come alongthe way.
And because I think of thosehardships that at least personally
that I've gone through hasmade me a better hunter.
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To accept those low momentsbecause I know that they're only
going to last for a brief moment.
Accept those brief moments, but.
And move on from them.
And they will help you in thelong run.
And I'm very grateful forthose moments that I've gone through.
And I think in my opinion, allhunters should go through those,
those type of moments in some aspect.
I agree.
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I think the good hunters arethe ones that went through it.
You know, they're the oneslike me, you like.
I'm very competitive, youknow, I don't like, I don't like
losing it.
Nothing.
And if I miss or wound a deer,I just shoot that much more.
I think, all right, I didsomething wrong.
I gotta fix the problem, right?
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And maybe it might bedifferent, at least for us three,
because of our line of workcompared to squash.
But I'm sure it is verysimilar where.
Because it's the find a way,find a way to win type of mentality.
Because of me working in lawenforcement, you had to find a solution.
You had to make a decision.
You can't lose.
And with you guys obviouslybeing in the military, the same type
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of mentality.
Squatch, do you have opinionor a take on the, on this question?
Well, the, the only thing Ican give you an influencing story.
What affected me was I learnedto listen to God and give him the
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credit.
And because I'm nothing, youknow, we, we, we, we, we put on this
show and, and we do what we do.
But you know.
Yeah, no, that's, that's true.
Yeah, that's true.
Oh, absolutely.
And what was it?
You can be, you can be the,you know, I don't know, let's say
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in our 20s and our 30s, we'rejust invincible.
We know everything and nobodycan tell us what we're going to do
wrong.
And you know, I was lucky.
I, a lot of, a lot of the deerthat I shot over the years, it was
just in the right place at theright time, you know, I, I, I thought
I knew whatever.
I, you know, I, I screwed upon a.
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Probably the biggest fuckingdeer I ever seen in my life.
You know, a 10 yard shot witha 30 odd simp blue, blew right through
him and just didn't hit vitals.
And you know, that was thefirst kick in the teeth is like,
hey, guess what, you know,you're not superman.
And you know, fast forward abunch of years and, and I, I hit
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this deer.
I, I was working my, I wasworking my regular job and killing
myself doing landscaping.
I was working every weekend.
I was like, ah, man, it'sfreaking deer season.
I gotta get out in the woods.
You know, I'm, I'm missing outon what I love to do.
And I went to my favoritestand and got up in there and just,
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you know, I was just, I wasreally like getting closer with my
walk with God and, and, and Iwas praying and I was like, you know,
I, I'm working so hard.
I'm like, can you just get mesomething here quick?
Because, you know, I don'thave a lot of time this year.
And I turn around, there's ahalfway decent eight pointer coming
along.
And I drew back, I shot thedeer was quartering away from me.
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I seen the fletchings go rightin, you know, deep into the deer.
And the deer ran and it stoodby this orange maple that was down
in the woods.
And then there's like a ravinethat goes down towards the swamp.
Swamp.
The deer walked off slow and Iwas like, oh, he's gonna go bed in
the water and die.
I gave it time.
Long story short, I got down,didn't find any blood.
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Called deer search.
The guy came with his dog,looked, couldn't find anything.
I asked the guy, I said, youknow, and I was still like a baby
Christian, let's say at it.
And I said, hey, you know, I'mkind of embarrassed.
I'm like, hey, you know, youreally worked hard.
Do you mind if I prayed for you?
You know, and he's like, oh,that'd be really cool.
I said a quick prayer for him,and, you know, he went on his way.
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He said, hey, let me know.
Let me know if you find thatdeer, man.
I'd be interested to knowwhere you hit it.
And I said, well, yeah, thatmakes two of us.
And he said, you know, really,it was no trouble.
He was going up to the nextcounty to go hunting with his friends,
so he just stopped along theway when I had called to try to help
me find it with his dog and soon, and so be it.
So the next day, I get apicture on my phone, and it's this
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huge ten pointer.
And I'm like, who the hell is this?
And he goes, hey, man, I justwant to thank you for praying over
me.
You know, you blessed me, andI shot the biggest buck of my life,
like you prayed for.
And I was like.
I was like, wow.
I was like, it ain't me, bro.
You know, God.
God answered the prayers thatwe prayed over you.
I didn't have nothing to dowith that, you know, But I'm happy
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for you.
I'm still looking for my deer.
He's like, well, good luck.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So I looked for a couple daysfor that deer, couldn't find it.
Went back listening for crows,didn't find it.
Fast forward two weeks, rifleseason starts, and everybody's like,
oh, where are you going, dude?
Where are you gonna hunt?
I'm like, gonna go back to mystand, you know, And I call it the
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rabbit run stand because it'san old.
Our road was rabbit run whereI grew up.
And the old carriage road goesdown in.
Through there, through the woods.
So I'm like, I'm going to myrabbit run stand.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So sitting there, I hear to.
I hear the rifle shots go offall around me further, you know,
on the other properties and stuff.
And I'm going, yeah, theregoes a dead deer.
It goes a dead deer.
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Nothing.
I'm sitting here, I'm like,you got to be kidding me.
It's like one of the bestfreaking stands I got.
There's nothing, you know, AndI'm like.
I'm thinking back at theyester years when I used to shoot
a deer every opening day.
And, you know, you're kicking yourself.
You're kicking yourself.
And I got mad.
I got really mad.
I said to God, I said, youknow, I have a purpose.
You put me here.
You made me have these giftsand these talents to enjoy the outdoors.
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Why don't you let me have my trophy?
You know what, why are you,why are you saying and doing, and
putting me through all thisthat I can't have what I shot?
And I know I hit it right.
I know I hit it right.
I, I, I know when I shoot adeer, I know where the arrow hit.
I was like, why are youmessing with me?
And I heard it, I heard avoice, and he said, put me first,
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and all your trophies will follow.
And I said, what?
He said, put me first, and allyour trophies will follow.
And I says, I am, I'm going to church.
I'm, you know, reading your book.
I'm, I'm.
Why you're messing with me.
You know, this ain't funnyanymore, you know?
So as the shots had quieteddown, I look out from where that
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orange tree where I last sawmy buck stop before he went down
into that ravine when I shothim with the bow.
And I catch a glimpse of hornscoming up the rock wall from that
tree.
I'm like, oh, buck.
A buck.
Okay.
So I start grunting on thegrunt tube, and I see him lift his
head up, and he looks, and hestarts going out to the log road.
And I'm like, okay, okay, he's coming.
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So I have my.257 Roberts.
I took the safety off realeasy, and I wrapped the sling because
I had to make an offhand shot.
And I knew he was going tocome out in front of me.
And as he's walking down thelog road, he's limping.
He's not like a broken leglimp, but he's got something going
on.
And I'm looking at him closer.
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I'm going to myself, I'msaying, well, that looks a lot like
that 8 I shot with the bow.
But there, I said, there's noway that deer died, you know, I said,
it's, it's not going to happen.
So I watch he walks down thetrail a little further, and he, he
just looks like into the woodswhere I am, and he's breathing, and
the steam is just coming outhis nostrils.
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And I'm like, he's juststanding there.
I'm like.
And I'm thinking to myself,well, am I going to shoot him?
All right, I'm going to shoot him.
So I settled across here, right?
He was kind of like quartertowards me, so I wanted to hit him
in the patch of the throat,just a little bit below it.
And I touched the rifle offand he, he reared up and he fell
over, and he was trying toKick and stumble and try to get up.
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And I shot him one more timejust to put him down.
And I went.
I'm looking at him, I'm like,I'm putting all the stuff together.
I'm like, he was limping.
He looks a lot like that.
Eight.
Maybe it is.
I'm like, I don't know.
So I'm telling you, I get downand I walk over, and I had called.
My neighbor was with me, afriend of mine, Harry.
I said, harry, get up here.
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I shot an eight.
He's like, yeah, I heard you shoot.
All right, man, I'll be right up.
So I go over there, and I cansee something, like on an angle.
It looked like a ridge underthe hide, and it was into the armpit
of the deer laying there on it.
When I could see it laying onits side, there was a hole.
Oh, I'm like, I'm like, nofreaking way.
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I'm like, I didn't shoot thatdeer there with the rifle.
And you could see it wasn'tgangrene, but it was healing.
It was like a hole.
It was healing.
So I put my hand down on thehide, and my hand was like, thump,
thump, thump over something in there.
I looked up and I said, well,you weren't kidding.
You know, I put you first, andyou gave me my trophy.
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And I was like, this is, this is.
You can't make this up.
I'm like, I can't believe thisfreaking happened.
This is, this is.
Two weeks later, there was ahellfire going on where that deer
came from.
And that deer, like, herespawned from the last place I saw
him, you know?
And I said, okay, okay, yeah,I get it.
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I get it.
And as I learned more aboutscripture and I read more of the
stories in the Bible, Godcomes to us on a level that we can
understand.
He comes to each of us on alevel that we can understand.
Okay?
Just like he came to SimonPeter on the boat.
Simon Peter was one of thebest fishermen in the Bible, but
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he had a dry spell.
And Jesus told him.
He said, cast your nets tothat side of the boat.
And he's like, what do you mean?
I, I, I've been.
He said, cast your nets tothat side of the boat.
They'll be so heavy, they will break.
I'm telling you to do this.
And when he did, he said, I'mnot fit to tie the sandals on your
feet, my Lord.
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So that's what you, you, yousay all this, the stuff that, all
the things that we take and welearn, and we.
We.
We put it to some kind of, youknow, science that we've got these
guys figured out.
We got these deer figured out.
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All I do is I just say, hey,put it up here where you want me
to go.
I'm good.
You know I'm good.
I know I'm gonna.
You made me good.
You made me the way I gotta go.
You made me do all this stuff.
You made me have interest in this.
Instead of doing drugs and.
And doing the wrong thing, youput me out here in the woods to guide
me this way.
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And now he's put me in aposition where I can reach out to
hundreds and thousands ofpeople through what we do here.
So anybody that thinks thatthere's not some higher force who's
God that doesn't steer you inthe direction that you should go,
you're sadly mistaken if youdon't understand it.
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And that is my.
My expert guide, let's say, onhow to deer hunt.
I listen.
And it's the same withfishing, you know, just get that
feeling, you know, And.
And it's your conscious.
Your conscious talks to you.
And, guys, when you say, Inever heard anything from God.
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I've actually heard God onmore than two occasions speak to
me.
And people say, well, you're lucky.
I never hear that.
Excuse me, I'm sorry, but Itell everybody you're.
You're mistaken.
God speaks to you every day,and they say, what do you mean, conscience?
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Yeah, I got a conscience.
I said, you know.
You know when you didsomething and you're thinking about
it and something's telling youmaybe it wasn't right?
Yeah.
I said, well, that's God,whether you realize it or not.
We're all born with thatnatural antenna of a conscience,
and it's God speaking to you.
So my best advice is learn the outdoors.
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Learn how to survive, and putthe Almighty first in what you do.
And I'm telling you, when Ihave a dry spell, I will sit there,
and I get on my phone, I go onmy Bible app, and I start reading
scripture.
And don't.
You know, every darn time thatI do that, deer show up.
And God and I got this thing he.
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He puts.
When I have a thought, and I'mwondering if it should be this or
that.
I see a deer.
So it's just the way that hetalks to me.
He comes to me, he lets meknow, hey, I'm listening.
I got this, I got that.
But there is no advice.
A lot of people have great advice.
There's some awesome huntersout there.
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But God created everythingthat we enjoy, and I follow what
he teaches me.
Well put, brother.
Right.
On that note, how can we evencompare fair and have a good night.
That.
Yeah, yeah, that.
That.
That is well put there.
Squash.
Thank you for that.
I definitely know that my.
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At least my journey itself, Ineed to do better at putting.
Lord.
First, I.
I do want to get the opinionfrom the Dooser from your point of
view, because you're fairlynew but fairly into hunting, and
I want to know your point ofview on the question at hand.
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Well, like I said, I've beenout of it for 10 years.
The reason I stopped was itwas my grandfather's and my thing
of how we bonded.
It was a family thing.
We always hunted.
When he passed away fromParkinson's, I just figured there
was nothing left to do.
Can't do it.
Didn't pretty much believe in myself.
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And I figured, you know what?
I need to set back.
I need to figure out what Ineed to do.
Anytime I figured out when Iwent back out in that woods for the
first time, it felt home.
Like Squatch said, sometimesmiracles work in their weird ways.
And he works his weird ways.
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And every time I go out there,I feel like my grandfather's with
me.
And just everything comes backin that.
That feeling of just gettingaway from my.
My career, my jobs, all that stuff.
You know, it's.
It's so nice getting back outinto nature.
And it's going to take me timeto get back in my old roots, but
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it's like riding a bike.
I haven't forgotten it.
I thought I would, but I'mstarting to remember all of it.
And I'm.
I'm now 100% in it now.
And my wife is gonna kill mebecause I'm already five grand in
the hole with it, but.
Oh, well, I'll deal with theconsequences later.
Well, you could just tell herit's that or you could start doing
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math.
Yeah, I guess so.
I don't think my.
My boss would like that, but.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, do thedivorce and hunt more.
Yeah, divorce and childsupport and.
Yeah, whatever.
I mean, I've had a.
Like when I used to hunt whenI was younger, I used to go out.
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I don't know if you guys everdone it, but any new place I ever
gone, I've always grabbed theground, put it between my hands,
rubbed it against my.
You know, my gun.
Pretty much brought myself tothat nature, and I always took a
piece of that.
Anytime I shot something outof it.
I took a piece of that dirtwith me.
It reminded me, and I wouldput the year on it.
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And it's.
Everybody's got their quirks.
You know, what they do and howthey do, and whatever helps them
memorize it.
You know, cutting the tail offof a deer, the antlers off the deer,
the skin, whatever.
It helps them remember.
But my thing is, I grab thedirt, I sit down there on my one
knee, look down, and I prettymuch pray to my grandfather, trying
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to.
Hoping to have a good hunt.
And then I just sit out there.
No phone on me.
I just kind of just sit outthere and enjoy the nature.
And a lot of people don'trealize, you know, when you live
in the city and you get.
Life gets busy for you, andwhen you get out in that woods and
you finally put that phonedown and you really open up your
ears and you listen, you startenjoying nature, and you start enjoying
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things, and then you startnoticing things, and it's like.
I don't know how to say it,but it's.
It's like a big relief.
It's a big breath, and it'slike you feel like you're home again.
You can start all over.
Yep.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Because your story resonates alot to me, because I quit hunting
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years ago when my oldestpassed away, so he was my hunting
buddy.
And then I just.
In my mind, I just.
I didn't care about hunting no more.
You know, he was.
He was the one that we wouldalways text and everything, and he
was really good friends withmy Dan's son, Tanner.
So I just didn't have even thedesire to hunt.
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I just didn't care.
And it was weird because myyoungest really wasn't into hunting.
Didn't really care.
He was into football, which is fine.
I didn't care if my kidshunted or fished.
Not.
He just decided one day, he,hey, I'm gonna try hunting.
I'm like, let's go.
He got out the first youthhunt, shot himself a velvet.
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Big, tall, velvet spike.
And my oldest, actually,before that, he shot a doe on the
youth hunt.
And that kind of brought itback for me, where I kind of realized
what I was missing.
And then it was more of mytherapy than anything, you know,
because it put me in a darkplace for a long time, and.
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And now.
Yeah, now it's just kind of like.
It's.
It's like part of who I am.
You know, my kid, you know,he's into it.
You know, my oldest, when hegets back out of the Marines.
He's talking about wanting totake it up again.
And at that point, at first Ididn't want to hunt for myself.
I just was like, I'm not goingto deny my kids that opportunity
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to enjoy what I used to liketo love to do when I was, you know,
my whole life.
But then I still feel there'sa part of Caleb every time I go hunting,
you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I personally, I.
So my.
My grandma died from.
From breast cancer when I wassix months old.
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And that's why I always havepink veins on my.
My arrows is to that dedicatedto her.
And I think we all have our like.
Like Doozer said, we all haveour quirks and stuff like that, but
I think.
I think we need to have moreof these type of conversations with
hunting is more than justgoing out there and shooting deer
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and trying to harvest a deerand kill a deer.
And yeah, we come on the showto give the best advice possible
and all the information thatwe seem fit.
But I think we also need tohave these conversations more where
hunting is more than just that.
We.
That's why we call thiselectronic campfires because we.
It's our chance to share thesememories and share these moments
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because really, at the end ofthe day, that's what really hunting
is about.
That's what hunting was backthen, where everyone would get together
for deer camp.
They'd share stories and sharethose heart open, those heartfelt
moments, and that's what madethat special.
We don't have that as muchthese days.
And then honestly, aftertonight's show, I think that we should
dedicate more shows to openingup like this because reality is this.
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What we just all talked aboutis hunting.
And it's hard.
It's why we do it.
Yeah.
Killing a deer is just, youknow, the carry on top.
That's awesome.
But yeah, it builds differentkinds of friendships too.
I will be honest.
Absolutely.
They're more.
It's more of a true friendship.
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It's more like we talk aboutit all the time.
More like a brotherhood.
Like when my kid passed andDan found out about it, he was the
first one that drove all theway down here.
Him and his wife, they werethe first ones out of even my family.
They beat everybody down here,you know, and it was just.
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We grew up hunting together,you know, and it.
And I just think hunting bondspeople closer on a different level
than just regular friendship,you know, I mean, you.
And I, Dave, we.
We can reference the militaryfrom that.
Like.
Yeah.
The dudes from the army that Ihave, they are more family than.
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Oh, yeah, my siblings or my.
My dad, you know.
Yep.
But you.
If one of them called me todayand was like, dude, I have a hard
time.
Cool.
How far away are you?
I'll be there 20 minutes later.
Yeah, that's.
Or 20 minutes earlier.
That's what I would do.
And with the huntingcommunity, like, us right here, you
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know, I've.
We've never met squats inperson, but like.
And we ran into each other acouple times.
Brett, you've been over to my house.
But at the same point, like,if Brett was like, dude, I'm having
a hard time.
Come on, dude, come on over.
Or I'm like, Dave, man, I'm struggling.
Like, dude, come on up.
Like that.
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Let's do this.
And yeah, we.
We can see each other inperson and then go all off season
without seeing each other inperson and then pick right back up
where we left off.
And that's.
That's the hunting community.
Yeah.
Like a married couple.
Basically an ugly stepchildnamed Br.
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We say.
We.
We say, brother, welcome tothe brotherhood here.
And it.
Yes, we do a lot of hazing onthis show.
Do not get me wrong.
We love that part.
But then a day like John justsaid perfectly.
There's more to it than justhazing with brotherhood.
It's.
You have that person's backand no matter what, you're going
to be there for them.
Like, I know John, you've beenthere with situations where you've
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had a buddy that was in a downmoment and he's dropped everything
and you go help him.
I know my brothers and sistersin blue.
I've been in the same situation.
I've had to drop things andlike, hey, I just need to have.
I need to talk for like 20 minutes.
Just.
I'll just sit there and letthem vent or I'll go meet them in
person.
That's.
That's a part of the brotherhood.
That's the point.
That's the brotherhood herethat we're trying to create with
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Whitetail Advantage.
We want everyone that'slistening to the show that watches
the live shows to feel likethis is actually you're feeling welcome.
A part of the brotherhood toreach out to us in any situation.
We're.
We're an all open book.
You can reach us on all platforms.
I'll even give you my number.
Some of you guys actually dohave my.
My number.
Yeah.
I actually got Brett's Postedat the 76th Street Truck Stop in
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the bathroom, so.
But it is just like marriageif you think about the vows.
I mean, it's for the good andthe bad.
You know, you're.
You're there for them whenit's good and you're there for them
when it's bad.
You know, and with the huntingcommunity as well as like, you know,
the, the military or lawenforcement, I'm sure, like, I will
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talk about every single one ofyou guys right to your face.
Yep.
I do it too.
Like, I'll talk to Brett.
I'm like, man, you know, Dave's.
Dave's a pretty good dude, man.
Like, that's, you know, he's not.
Don't tell him I said that,dude, you know, other faith and we'll
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say something nice behind your back.
Yeah, I won't say.
Don't worry, I won't tell anybody.
Exactly.
Right.
I just wanted him to know thatI think that he's a piece of.
But hey, yeah, he's a reallygood guy.
You, buddy.
Good guy.
But during the show bash on him.
Michael says this when westart wrapping it up, I don't feel
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welcome.
Well, since you're not 18 yet.
Yeah, you gotta grow.
You gotta grow hair on yourballs before you can.
You gotta be able to drink a beer.
Not even drink a beer.
You're shot in a beer.
Yeah.
Well, with that being said,guys, let's.
Let's do the outro all together.
Let's do this first.
Squatch.
How can people reach out to you?
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People can reach out to me, asalways, on Instagram under outdoors
and more with the squatch ormy YouTube channel.
You guys can always find mehere at 8:30 on Sundays and Tuesdays
on the Whitetail Advantage.
You can catch me also on theGarden State Outdoorsman podcast
with Mike Nitray and Frank Mystica.
And you know, like I said, youknow, we're here to work together
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and help each other out.
So if you got questions, youwant to know more about religion,
hey, I talk about everything.
So hit me up.
Dave.
How about you, brother?
Same thing, man.
Just reach me on the Wait TillAdvantage podcast every Sunday and
Tuesday.
More like Tuesdays for.
Until next month, hopefully.
And then it'll be Sundays too.
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And.
But you can reach me onInstagram, Facebook and on YouTube
under PSE Mobile.
Hunter John.
How about you, brother?
You can find me on Whitetail Advantage.
I'm here as much as I can most Sundays.
On Tuesdays, you know.
Yeah.
And then I'm on Instagram,Nitro Outdoors.
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Johnny Nitro Knight.
I'm on there.
Hit me up Any questions, letme know.
I mean, I'm an idiot and Iquote movies all day.
So if you want to quote moviesman, find me.
Yeah, John Squatch doesn'tknow a lot about movies.
We should just do like in thehunting season where we just dedicate.
Talking about movies.
Talking about tonight.
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We do a movie night trivia.
Yeah, well, him and I areactually working on that.
Him and I'm going to beworking on that.
I love that idea that Johnnygave tonight.
Oh, during the day like squadstarted quoting Airplane.
I don't.
Have you ever seen Airplane?
That's.
I haven't no.
Airplane.
Oh, watch Airplane one.
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Airplane two is dumb.
Airplane one is good.
And you gotta watch PoliceAcademy too, man.
All day quoting Airplane orBlazing Saddle.
That's the other one.
I was 22, I saw as young asthe one in my department when I got
hired in and my buddies askedme, you ever seen the movie Top Gun?
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I'm like, what?
The movie?
What, what the.
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Like you've never seen Top Gun?
And then I finally saw it.
Was that movie about.
Yeah.
Do you know what it's about?
Yeah, what?
It's not about fighter pilots.
Tom Cruise.
Well, Tom Cruise.
I've seen the movie.
It's about being gay.
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Okay.
Yes, it's about being gay andTom Cruise struggling between heterocentral
and homosexual.
Well, he was a semen.
So I mean, you know.
Yeah, look at it.
Listen, okay, you have the.
Tom Cruise is.
He wants to fit in with thefighter pilots who are always shirtless,
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bouncing around, doing reallygay, right?
And then the doctor who islike feminine and Tom Cruz is like,
oh, you know, I kind of like you.
Then there's scene in themovie where Tom Cruise goes over
to her house and they'resitting there, they're laying on
the.
On the B.
Or they're laying outside andyou're thinking, oh man, he's going
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to make a move.
But what does he do?
He gets up and leaves, right?
He drives away on his motorcycle.
The next scene, the doctor,you see her walking into the elevator
with Tom Cruise and she'sdressed like a dude.
She's like, okay, if TomCruise doesn't like me as a woman,
maybe he'll like me as a guy, right?
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So that's when Tom Cruisestarts really paying attention to
her.
She thinks about it and then.
Have you ever.
The very last scene in Tom andTop Gun, right?
They're flying.
Are we talking about the.
The Top Gun?
Top Gun.
Top Gun.
Top Gun.
I'm trying to remember of Gay Scene.
I don't, I don't.
I feel like you're grasping atstraws with this.
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Somebody's been watchingpornhub too much.
That's why I was like, talk.
Too many movies, man.
Yeah.
Top.
Is it called Top?
What is the last.
What is the last conversationin Tom, in Top Drawn, between Iceman
and Never?
I remember, but I don'tremember, though.
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No, no, it's.
You can ride with my tailanytime you want.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Right.
And then Tom Cruise turnsaround and says, I would love to
ride your tail.
Yeah.
And that's how it ends.
And then now think about it.
Val Kilmer's dead and TomCruise is still alive.
I know.
What a waste.
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Yeah, that's a stretch.
But, yeah, if you watch thatmovie now, you're gonna see it completely
different.
Have to rewatch this movie nowand look at it in that lens perspective.
But you know what it is?
This is.
This is what happens in realreality here, guys.
All right.
John watches so much porn, itstarts mixing in with real movies.
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And in his drunken stupor.
Yeah.
He seemed to make sense asthey come together.
And then he makes some kindof, you know, reference.
Yeah.
To this.
And he's like.
Yeah.
And he just sees it in his ownlight as Top Gun and some kind of.
Well, you know, they make parodies.
Yeah.
They make parody porn.
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Oh, yeah.
That's what he's.
He's thinking, like.
But he remembers watching thereal movie first.
Yeah.
You can't.
You can't tell me thevolleyball scene in Top Gun is in
Jay.
I don't even remember.
I, I suppose that kind of waspretty gay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, so I, I can see your point.
I, I can see your point.
Okay.
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I just have to watch it now inthat perspective.
Exact.
And then you're gonna be like, holy.
You're gonna blow up my phoneand be like.
Like, I know that.
I know exactly those scenesyou're referring to as well.
So I, I, I remember I'mreplaying it in my own head.
But now I have to watch itactually through that perspective
now.
I'm not wasting my time towatch that movie again.
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I just.
I just have a question.
Why was.
Why was John so focused on allthem scenes?
Dude, were you, like, thatbored overseas like, you had the
lotion out?
Yeah.
All the cloths ready to go.
I mean, I know you guys saw abunch of donkey out there.
Oh, man, don't even get mestarted on that we would take bets
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on who's gonna fuck what donkey.
When you see a group of likefour dudes walking into a field at
like midnight, you're like, ohman, one of these poor donkeys didn't
get rid railed.
And then we had a on which onewould do it.
We had a great show.
Getting heartfelt.
And that's just what she wasjust waiting for.
It just.
It went Top Gun gauge.
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Yeah.
Nose the ground, dude.
Yeah.
Stay tuned next week.
Definitely did not eject outof that one.
Stay tuned next week for whenwe talk about Woolly Walker.
Yeah.
Or Free Willie and the Fudge Factory.
Actually, this is when Johnnygets Willy Wonka and Willy Wanker
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confused.
Then I'm going to compare itto Oklahoma City bombing or some.
Yeah.
Johnny's recollection is ifyou see four Oompa Loompas going
into a field, you know one ofthem is going to get it.
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