Ep 149 / Hunting Ethics and Family Values: Raising the Next Generation of Hunters

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage Podcast with your host
Brett Bovin.
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How's it going everyone?

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It is Brett Bovin and welcometo the Electronic Campfire.
Today is Sunday, May 4, 2025and I'm just gonna keep it short
for today.
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We also.
Where's my all my notes here?
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Anyways, we have a couple 10ring news here because since we missed
last week's show, I want tomake sure I get through everything
here for tonight's show.
We're going to be changingthings up here.
So we used to have Tuesdays beour state specific show where we
cover a different state.

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filled out and most of Junealready filled out for the most part.
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and worked out right now withthe team.
And like again I just want topoint out we are now starting to
make sure our stoves start at8pm not 8:30 Eastern Time.
Now that being said, put yourquarter in a slot machine.
Where's my court out there?
There's my quarter.
Put your cord in the slot machine.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the military.

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Thank you for your service.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
Thank you to all the policeofficers, the firefighters, the nurses,
the doctors, everyone inpublic service.
I want to say thank you foryour service.
We're greatly appreciative of that.
Now with that being said we'regoing to bring on Eddie.
He's been on the show before.
He's an amazing guy.
I canceled last week's showwith him because me and my family

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was sick and it was justanother good day and I just didn't
want to have a half ass crapshow with him on that day on his
return show.
So we agreed to make sure tohave it for today.
He was very understanding withthat and I'm excited.
And we don't have Dave andJohnny here.
Johnny's sick too, so I'm nothappy about that.

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But I'm happy Johnny and Davearen't here tonight.
Anyways, let's bring everybodyin for tonight.
Squatch, how's it going?
I'm glad to see that you'rethe only one healthy on the team.
Oh yeah, Geez.
Don't put those fake guns away.
The real guns come from.
The real guns come from Eddie here.

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Eddie, thank you for coming on again.
Appreciate it.
Brother Pleasures, man.
Thanks for having me back.
I can't remember what showwas, but I think it was like episode
90 or something like that whenwe had you on and I just felt like
you're like the top five showthat ran one of the longest and you're
still like top three favoriteshows that I've ever conducted through

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this entire thing.
I think number one was talking to.
I'm drawing a blank on his name.
The mountain guy named fromTroy Pottinger.
I loved, love picking hisbrain out there in Idaho.
And yeah, I think you'renumber two right there, man, right
behind him.
Appreciate that.
It was a good time.
We had a good conversationlast time.
Oh, it was amazing.

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And the fact that I didn't.
And we ran long too.
We ran long.
We could have, we could have talked.
We could have talked all night.
We could have talked all night.
And for people that might notknow, I'm just going to say this.
You played with BrianWestbrook, the hall of Famer at Villanova.
And I just can't get.
That's just amazing.

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He's like my ladain Thomas ismy favorite running back.
Brian Westbrook is like 2 or 3on my list for best running backs
ever to play with him andit'll meet you.
And not knowing that youplayed with him, that's.
That's just awesome news to me.
I don't know.
That's just me.
I love, I love football and yeah.
It'S, it's, it's good.
That was it.
This was after the draft too.

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So who's your team?
Who's your team.
It the NFL purposes.
I, I love the Chargers.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, we didn't obviously I'm,obviously I'm a Giants guy, so we
had a good draft, so I'mpretty excited about that.
You had a great draft.
You picked and we all knewyou're going to pick Abdu Carter.
We all saw that coming.
But the surprise pick that gotme was Jack Guard.

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I mean, don't get me wrong,he's a great quarterback.
But they traded up for himthough, right?
To get him?
Yeah, I think, I think for,for, for that they're, they're assuming
that they're getting another Eli.
Same school, same type of kid,same pedigree.
So they're, they're hopingthey get another.
Eli that is a baller.
I love Jackson Dart and don'tget me wrong, I, I hate, I'm not,

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I hate Ohio State.
I'm not.
I don't like them.
I'm an Oregon Ducks fan.
But when it comes to draftprospects, I don't know how people
weren't looking at Will Howard.
He has basically the samemeasurements and everything.
The same as Josh Allen.
Yeah, he.
Big guy.
Yeah.
Like 6, 5, 2, 40 type kid.

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Yeah, that, that dude can ball too.
And he wasn't talked about.
He went like fourth, fifth round.
And if you're an Oregon fan,what about the kid who got drafted
from, from Oregon, thequarterback to, to the Browns with
Shador?
Like, why do they draft two quarterbacks?
So that's, and I like that kid.
That kid was a, that kid at Oregon.
He was a tough kid.
Dylan.
He was a tough, he was a tough kid.

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I watch a, I watch a bunch ofhis games.
So we'll see, we'll see howthat pans out in, in, in the fall.
But I think I, I think theBrowns are in a dysfunctional state
right now that they did that.
You know, they like sevenquarterbacks in their room.
Yeah.
And Shador already has badfeelings with Oregon because they
got his ass stomped out by him.
So.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Anyways, for people that mightnot know you, Eddie, can you give
a little background about yourself?
Yeah.
You know, like you said, I.
Former football player fromVillanova, played five years of an
Arena Football League.
Stopped playing when I was 28.
You know, spent 10 years as afinancial advisor.
Now I'm foreman projectmanager for a construction company.

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You know, gives me a lot oftime to get out there and, and, and
do more hunting relatingactivities I love.
So, you know, it's just you,as you get older, you realize you
know, money isn't the mostimportant thing.
It's just you have to followyour passion.
And, and to me, that's, that'ssomething that's priceless.
You know, the fact that I, Ihave more time to go out there and,
and do what I love and, andstill provide for my family is, is,

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it's.
I'm, I'm, I'm in a great situation.
I'm definitely blessed.
And I.
Last we talked, you, I don'tknow if it was the reason, that part
of the reason that you leftwas because you had a shoulder injury,
correct?
Yeah, well, I, I.
Shoulder surgery, 2003, andright now I'm one year out from my
last shoulder surgery, whichI'm, I'm concerned about because

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it's, you know, obviouslyeverything I do is, is predicated
on me being able to bow huntand be able to shoot my bow.
So now I got, I got in a caraccident last year.
It's been a year out since Ihad my surgery.
And, and it's, there's a lotof question marks, you know, so.
Lot of question marks in termsof how, how am I going to feel in,
in, in September?

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I do have a doctor'sappointment coming up soon to see
what's happened.
But listen, when you love itthat much, if I have to pull back
my bow at my teeth, I'll finda way.
I will find, I promise you,I'll find a way.
I'll find a way.
Listen, worst case scenario,and I hate to say it, and I don't
want to bash on anybody whodoes it, worst case scenario, I have
a 10 point crossbow sittingright there.
And if it has to be used, ithas to be used.

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But I will do everything in mypower to be able to shoot my Matthews.
Everything in my power.
Brett can definitely help youout with that 10 point crossbow because
that's what he loves to use.
So listen, if you have to useit, you have to use it.
And, and listen, I lovehunting my crossbow.
It gives you a whole differenttype of confidence.
Yeah.
But there is nothing there.

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To me, there is nothing betteror more challenging than attempting
to shoot a whitetail with your bow.
Oh.
So definitely.
And for me, and for me,especially for me, after my, my first
shoulder surgery in 2003, Iwas a righty.
I switched to lefty, and now Ishoot my bow lefty.
Which it's hard.
But to me, every time I, I doshoot and harvest a deer, to me,

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to me, it's like the biggestaccomplishment that I, for me as
a hunter, because I know I hadto overcome so much to be able to
do that with rehab and, andthe pain and things that I go through
every day.
So, you know, eventually I'mgonna probably have to go to that
crossbow.
But until then, I'm.
I'm fighting it every step ofthe way.
Every step of the way.
I think I've seen a videowhere a guy, he had no arm, like,

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he had, like he had his leftarm or right arm, whatever the case
may be.
And then he didn't have hisopposite arm and he was literally
pulling it back with his teeth.
I was like, listen, listen.
If it has to get, if it has toget done, there's nothing better
than, you know, pulling backthat bow on a deer and let the arrow
fly and having to hit your mark.
To me, it's just one of thegreatest, the greatest feelings you

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could feel as a hunter.
Definitely.
It's just amazing.
Outside of sex, I think it'sthe best.
One of the best.
Absolutely.
And listen, it's almost thesame because you're chasing about
10 to 20 seconds ofexcitement, give or take, you know,
me.
So it's kind of.
Sometimes it's almost the samething, you know, so it's like, God,

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that 10 or 20, if you couldbottle up that 10 or 20 seconds and
sell it, you'd be a millionaire.
But, oh, no, you know, but youthink about the.
People don't realize almost,it's almost like an Olympic 100 meter
runner.
They trained four years for 10 seconds.
10 seconds.
And literally that's what wedo all year.
We train all year and we,whether it's food plots, scouting,

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camera, stand for 10 to 20seconds of that thrill, that excitement,
that, that, you know, test ourskills as hunters and then, boom,
it's done.
And it's just, it's so, soit's like the same thing.
And no one will understand ituntil they actually do it, Right?
Until they actually do it.
And you.
And you could just the same way.

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Me becoming a father?
No.
People, obviously, when, whenyou and your wife are pregnant, everyone's
giving you advice.
Oh, it's going to be this.
It's going to be great.
No one's best explanationcould have explained the feeling
that you feel when you holdyour child in your arms for the first
time.
No one can, no one couldprepare you for it.
No one.
And as the months go by andyou hold a little thing and you're

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like, how can I love somethingso much?
And it's just so new to me.
And I would kill a hundredpeople to protect this thing.
And it's just the same way.
No one will ever be able totell you unless you truly experience
it for yourself.
But to me, that's what hunting is.
No one could really.
You can't explain to a nonhunter unless they actually feel
it.
So I remember there was an instance.

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I talked to these guys,obviously, about it.
It was.
I can't remember the date,whatever the case may be, but it
was last mid October, whereI'm in a good spot.
And long story short, it'sgetting about 45 minutes left of
shooting light left justsitting there.
And then all of a sudden, Ijust look down below me, and I just

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see wreck just walking rightunderneath me.
I'm like, that's a giant.
I'm gonna take that.
And then he's walking, and I'mthinking, he's behind a tree.
Okay.
Something.
All right, I'm gonna slip, getmy hand up on my bow, and then we're
gonna start figuring out howI'm gonna shoot this deer.
Nope.

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He sees me, runs up 10 yardsand stares at me broadside.
And now at this point, as hewas running, I went and full.
And went into full draw mode.
And he's just standing there.
And I'm thinking to myself, doI pull the trigger?
Do I not?
Because he's staring right at me.
But there's, like this onelittle limb in there, too.

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Nope, he's not freaked out allthe way.
So then he ran to the southabout 5 yards, and then he just walked
away out of my life.
And it was just pure.
At the end of it all, I washappy and pissed all in the same
freaking time.
Pissed because of thesituation happened.
I thought I did.

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I thought I did the rightthing of if I thought he couldn't
see me.
And of course he did.
And the situation happened,what it was.
And happy that I was able totry to get another shot at him because
I didn't feel like I scaredhim away completely.
But it's just how all theseemotions go into one situation.

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And I didn't even get to shoota deer.
And I.
I don't know.
I.
And, well, and that's another thing.
Going after that is just.
Yeah.
So many emotions go into onelittle thing.
And that's another thingpeople don't understand because I
had.
I had an encounter, too,during the season where it just.
I was right about to getthere, and I got busted.
And the deer that I've beenhunting all season got spooked and

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and people don't realize howupset you get over that.
Where, you know, a week later,I'm sitting there at the kitchen
table, and my wife's like,you're thinking about that deer again,
aren't you?
I was like, yeah, it just, It's.
It's in my head, like, I'mupset because I, I, I thought I did
it right, and this happened.
And I'm like.
And she's like, it's only a deer.
You'll get more.
But no, you don't understandhow much time and effort I put into

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getting that one opportunitythat might not come ever again.
And it doesn't work out, andthat stays with you, and it's motivation
for next time.
But it doesn't, it doesn't, It's.
It doesn't go away.
You know, when you have anopportunity like that to shoot something
and you put so much time andit's right there and everything,
and then it doesn't go right,and it's just, oh, I still think
about it.
You'll daydream about itsometimes, like, all right, if I

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just.
Maybe if I didn't lift my armup as fast or I didn't do this or
that, it could have been different.
So.
But that's what makes us keepon going out, right?
That's.
That's why we go out everysingle time, because every experience
is different.
Eddie, you name your deers Eddie?
Absolutely.
Every single one.
Cool.
Me too.
Every single one.
People think that's weird, too.
I like to name.

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I like to name them based onwhatever the, Whatever the experience
is people like to name them.
Like, I name them beforehand sometimes.
But if I shoot something thatI haven't named, I named it based
on the situation.
Gig.
Give you an example.
2013, I, I, I tore my tricepin a.
In a competition called theHercules trophy.

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Stupid event, 12 event type thing.
And I had a big cast on my arm.
I was having surgery on, like,a Friday, so I'm like, you know what?
I'm done after my surgery on Friday.
I'm probably done for the season.
I'm gonna go out Thursday andtry to shoot something.
So I took my crossbow out, Iput it over my arm.
A deer came out, and I shot it.
Never seen the deer before.
I kind of shot Lefty with iton my cast with the crossbow.

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And I called that deer's namewas Search.
I named him Search because Iwas having surgery next day.
So I like to name my deerbased on whatever situation comes
up.
But, yeah, any good hunter Anygood hunter names that deer?
Yeah, I do.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I name mine based off of,like, just, like, what comes right.
My brain right at the first moment.

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Like, for instance, Fish Hook.
The first thing that caught meoutside that, besides he was a giant,
was his brow tine was curved.
And I was like, oh, that's afish hook.
His name's Fish Hook.
I named one deer I calledToretto because after I.
I shot him, we couldn't findhim and we knew he was alive.
And we're thinking toourselves, I'm thinking to myself,

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well, I'll see you soon.
And this was after Fast5 cameout, and he says to Toretto, I'll
see you soon after.
He lets him go on the bridge.
And I'm thinking to myself,all right, his name's Toretto.
I named one Frank just because.
Frank just that.
I don't know, it just.
That just came to me.
So just weird names.

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But you name deer based on,like, your scouting.
Because I feel like where I amin Jersey, very rarely do we get,
like, the.
The type of pictures and thetype of deer that come consistently
where before the season comes,you can name vehicles you see on
your camera all the time.
That doesn't happen for mevery often, you know, so most of

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the time when I do shoot adeer, it's a deer I've never seen
before, most of the time.
So I just have to spur the moment.
But I know a lot of guys have,you know, track deer all summer long,
and the deer may live in thesame area and they have bigger properties,
and they, you know, they.
They name their deer based oncharacteristics before even the season
starts.
I wish I had that luxury tohave deer like that.
But I watched not so much in Jersey.

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I watched two that I had.
It was two of my main targetbucks here.
One was just identically perfect.
So I called him Mr.
Perfect.
And I watched him.
He ended up getting busted up.
He wasn't so perfect midwaythrough the season because another
bigger buck moved in and threwhim around.
And then I had a buck that Icalled Clyde.
And he's about a five and ahalf year old, eight, and he's just

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a little bit bigger on hisright side than he is his left.
So it made me think of the oldAny which Way But Loose movie with
Clint Eastwood in it.
He had the orangutan in there,and he used to say, right turn, Clyde.
So I said, well, they call him.
He's got a big bigger side.
So I called him Clyde thewhole season.
So it was Pretty cool.
It's crazy how crazy how ourmind works sometimes when it comes

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to naming.
Naming deer.
Yep.
I think I, I've heard somepeople, like, they don't like calling,
naming their deer for whatever reason.
And I, I just, I think it's afun aspect of it because I don't,
I don't know, I just, I thinkit's fun and I don't see a big reason
not to.

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Opinion.
Well, some people are just toocool to name their deer.
You know, they think it's like childish.
So you know what I say to them?
Especially if you're scouting,you know, preseason and you have
different deer and you'retrying to explain to someone, you
know, I had a deer, I calledout here, I called big boy.
And it's just when I referredto my friends like, yeah, I'm going
to the big boy spot.
So they kind of knew whichdeer I was talking about.

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So instead of saying, oh,remember that 12 point that I talked
about?
Like, it's just easier whenyou, you know, give it a name.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So you can separate them.
I know.
Eddie, you're very, you're ahealth guy.
So I want to talk about your,your workout regimen, because I know

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it, it's hard, kind of like todo probably the workouts like you
used to do back in college andstuff like that.
So how did you adapt your,your workout style now to, to continue
to stay in shape for huntingseason and just in general regular
day life?
Stuff in shape?
Well, I think one of thethings I actually had this conversation

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the other day with someone is,and I truly believe this, and, and
some of my friends who areprofessional bodybuilders are going
to.
Would be upset that I saythis, but it's a shame that the majority
of people follow fitnesspeople on social media that are bodybuilders
or professional bodybuildersor fitness influencers when the,

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the bodybuilder workout ismeant to build muscle.
However, bodybuilders don'tcare about movement, they don't care
about functional movement,they don't care about being able
to scratch their back or both.
So when we follow workoutslike bodybuilders, and you're not
a workout and you're not abodybuilder, eventually you're going

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to lose mobility.
And that's where I feel likeguys my age, I'm 49, we're starting
to have issues with ourshoulder, with their back, because
we've been following workoutsfrom guys who are, who don't care
about being mobile, but wewant to be mobile and it's hurt our
mobility.
Almost every single guy I knowthat hunts has shoulder issues because

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we've been following, youknow, we've been trying to build
muscle but not work onfunctional mobility.
So you know, as I get older Irealize, wow, it's, it's, it's.
Bodybuilding and functionaltraining are two different things.
You can still gain muscle andstill work on mobility and flexibility
as we get older.
Hands down, the key tolongevity is flexibility because
a tight muscle is one thatstrains or breaks.

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So I, I always tell people,however much you weight train and
obviously my weight trainingover the years has gone down.
Whether it's weights orintensity, you know, I, I still think
they're pretty intense.
But the added days offlexibility training or you know,
doing some cardio or my warmups have changed dramatically because
as you're a younger person,you don't realize you're not thinking

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about longevity.
You're not, when you're 21,you're not thinking about properly
warming up, you're notthinking about properly stretching
afterwards.
But as you get older, you hityour 40s and you wake up one day
and you take a step to thebathroom and you strain your right
hamstring.
Like how'd I do that?
Taking a step to the bathroom,you realize, you know what those
things like flexibilitytraining and warming up and, and,

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and, and you know, every timeI do shoulders or do chest or do
any kind of multi jointmovement, I, the first thing I do
when I get home is, is I icethat body part.
And people like, why do you ice?
You're not hurt.
I ice so I reduce inflammationso tomorrow I can function.
So it's more, it's more like,it's more.
We have to, we have to worryabout pre habilitation rather than

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rehabilitation obviously.
Right.
Rehabilitation is after youget hurt.
Well, I want to do pre, re.
Prehabilitation where I wantto do exercises and do things for
my body so I don't get hurt.
Because once you get hurt,it's, you're never the same.
You know, my football coachback in the day used to tell me all
the time, what's the bestability in sports?
It's availability.
If you're hurt, you're good toknow one.

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So as we get older it's like,you know what, it's risk, reward,
the stuff I do at the gym, isit worth the reward?
Most 90 of time.
It's not, it's not.
But as we get older, the oneThing I'm sure both of you battle
yourself is our mind tells usone thing, our body tells us.
Listen, buddy, not today,because our minds, our mind.

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I feel like our minds age at atenth of the speed as our body.
So, you know, my biggest thingis just is controlling my mind and
having that conversation withmyself mid workout.
Is this worth doing?
Obviously most time I do itanyway, but I do pay the price.
But, you know, listen, as weget older, you know, our nutrition
is different.

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Our nutrition is different.
You know, we're not as stricthalf the times, and we need to be,
you know, what you look likeon the outside is, is a direct correlation
of what you put on the inside.
You know, and, and especiallywith kids, it's harder.
I, I've eaten more chocolateand snacks in the last 17 months
than I have in the lastprobably 10 years.
No lie.
Just because I give my sonstuff and.

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Oh, let me taste that.
Oh, let me have this.
Or let, let me have this.
Or.
You want pizza?
Let me get pizza.
It's just, you know, it's,it's definitely harder as a parent.
You know, I, I, I definitelyhave more respect for some of my
friends who I played with aVillanova who have gained significant
amounts of weight, but theyhave four or five kids.
Now.
I understand why you have,why, why you gained the weight.
It's definitely harder as aparent, but.

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Yeah, when I was growing up,like in, in high school, I was in
shape and great shape andplaying football.
And then when I got tocollege, I was doing the same thing
because I wanted to get in law enforcement.
So I was like, in lawenforcement, the rule was if you
become a cop, you lose theright to be out of shape.
So, yeah, it was constantrunning, constant workouts, and I

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was following all differenttypes of workout programs.
And then I told myself, like,I'm never going to become that guy
who I see walking down withthree kids, a beer belly, and a fat
not.
That's not going to happen.
Next thing I know, I got twokids busted up my knee in the police
academy, and I'm drinking alittle bit more beer here and there.

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I'm eating a little bit moreMcDonald's because they want it and
I just want them to shut theheck up.
And then we're eating somecake because it's their birthday.
And next thing I know, I'mweighing 225 pounds.
Got it?
Yeah, I got it.
I'm 20 pounds heavier sinceLittle man was born.
100%.
And also, listen, we, youdon't Realize as you get older, your
responsibilities increase andstress, we don't realize how much

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stress plays a part in, in howit affects our body internally, you
know, so, you know, and, andnow you're older and you want to
enjoy your life, you want to,you know, have that piece of cake.
Only problem is that as youget older that those cheat days get
magnified because we can'tburn it like we used to.
So we want to enjoy it nowbecause you're older, you don't,

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you don't care about what youlook at on the beach so much anymore.
But those mistakes do get magnified.
So it's just, it's kind ofjust a balance of, of listen, I tell
anyone, enjoy your life.
You have one life.
Enjoy your life.
But you know, health at thispoint is more important than your
appearance.
Yeah.
And because the one thing Isee too many people in their older

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years, 60s and 70s now,they're chasing hell.
And when that happens, it'stoo late.
You, you, you can't, you can'tchase it when you're 60 and 70 because
you could probably maintain alittle bit, but it's so important
to, to younger, to, to dosomething, you know, And I have friends
who are in their 40s and theyhunt and I'm like, listen, I trained

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to sit in the tree stand and they.
What do you mean?
Well, I understand that whenyou sit in a tree stand, if you have
tight hamstrings, you havetight calves, it's going to affect
your lower back.
Do you want to do an all day sit?
If you ever plan on doing anall day sit, train your hamstrings
off season, train your lowerback, train your core, you know,
make sure your hamstrings are flexible.
If you have tight hamstrings,sitting in a tree for more than three

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or four hours is going to pullin your lower back and hurt.
So there's a lot of things wecould do as hunters to make sure
that, you know, we could sitand enjoy the, the fall the way we
should, you know.
But I have friends, literallywho can't do more than 3, 4 hour
sits before their, their backs killing.
I was like, listen, you couldtrain for that.
There's lots of things youcould do to prepare yourself, be
in a situation.
And a lot of people don't dothat and they pay the price during

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the season.
And it's, it's not hard tojust put yourself in a position to
where you can do at home stuff.
Like I said back in March,start of March, I Was weigh, I weighed
225 pounds and I was like Ijust feel out of shape.
I feel bloated.
I don't, I don't like how I feel.
So I made an admission like I,I'm going to get back to like high

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school.
College.
Weight roughly 2, 205.
I'd love 200 pounds.
I'd love that again.
If not, I'll settle around 210 mark.
And I, I don't have time to goto the gym cause I got two kids and
I got shipped money out for them.
So I don't got the money.
They spend 50 bucks on amembership like I used to anymore.
So I just found ways to adaptmy old workout system to adapt into

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regular day life.
And all I do this not a rocket science.
If you are determined to putyourself in shape and I think everybody
should be, you will find a way.
All I do in the mornings everyday is I do 15 minutes of stretching.
Body workouts of basicallythat's all I do.
Body workouts, resistant bandsand running and walking.

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I'll do some jumping jacks,push ups, sit ups, lunges, high knees
here and there.
And then I'm stretching everymorning I'm stretching, stretching,
stretching, stretching as muchas I possibly can.
Then I go on a three mile runevery day and then I'll walk a mile
here and there every day whenI get home with the kids.
And then I'm doing resistantcurls and resistant like for shoulders

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in the front and to the sides,triceps and I'm doing some squats.
Just constantly trying to makesure my body just moves that way.
Guess what?
It's not the most effectiveway that I like to used to working
out with actual weights andstuff like that.
But guess what?
My fat ass got down to 213.
That's where I'm at right now.
So I'm pretty proud of whatI've been doing.

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And so it's to me that stretching.
That you said to me, that'sthe just one of the keys because
when things get tight you haveto, you know the way your body works,
when muscles get tight, youhave to almost use twice as much
energy to do the same movement.
You know, imagine a car and ifyou know, once you get your oil change,
you have new oil and thepistons are moving really smooth

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and it's easy.
And when the oil gets a littleolder it's, it's a little more friction,
it's a little harder to do thesame movement.
That's kind of what stretching is.
So to me, stretching is the key.
You still want to resistancetrain and do those things.
But to me, implementing a 15to 20 minute stretching routine two
to three times a weekliterally would change someone's
life.

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Because, you know, I recentlyhad a friend who had a hip replacement
surgery, and he's probably 54,and he goes, listen, Eddie, now I
gotta do leg extensions, legpress and squats.
I never did that stuff in my life.
I was like, well, listen,that's the reason you have hip replacement
surgery is because you neverdid that stuff in your life.
That's one of the problems,because your hip got so tight that
it just grinded away all thecartilage because you didn't work

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at work at it or stretch, you know.
So I tell people, listen, whenyou have a problem with your skeletal
system, your muscles areattached to your bones, your muscles
get tight, they pull in yourbones, loosen your muscles, your
body's relaxed.
So, you know, I'm sayingflexibility and stretching and, and
nowadays with social media andInstagram, there's so much information
out there.

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No one should ever say, anyonewho has a smartphone, no one should
ever say, I don't know what to do.
That just means that you're,you don't have the discipline because
all you got to do is take yourphone, go to YouTube, put in flexibility
workout.
3 million videos will show up.
Find one that works for you,try a different one, or put in hamstring
flexibility or lower back core.

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There's so much informationout there that if you want, if you
really want to get better,there's nothing stopping anyone,
anyone from finding out atthis point.
Procrastination.
Yeah.
And at this point, with AI,you can just say, hey, AI, whatever
system you, I don't know, AIbuild me a workout based off my own

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calendar.
What, take what, 10 minutes?
And it will design its ownworkout plan for you.
And I'm sure they could easilydo that now at this point with AI
technology that we have outthere these days.
So you just, you, you notwanting to get in shape is your own
just, eh, I'm gonna find anexcuse not to.
Absolutely.

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And listen, I tell people allthe time too.
When I tell them I actuallytrained for hunting season.
You never realize how out ofshape you are until you're dragging
a buck across a field like 600yards and you're like, how is this
so hard?
You're like.
And you're huffing andpuffing, trying to drag this thing
through the woods or acrossthe field.
You never realize, wow, Ithought it was in better shape than

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this.
But this is burning.
But it's a good burn.
It's a good burn, but it's still.
It's not.
It's not easy.
What was it?
It was after I got my deerlast year and we were dragging them
out, and this was back when atthat point I was like, oh, my God,
you're right.
I'm out of shape.

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And I'm thinking, oh, we went,what a foot.
It's.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
Like, listen, you coulddeadlift 500 pounds, but you drag
a deer 10, 10ft.
And you're like, oh, my God,I'm struggling.
Yep.
All we did basically was justflip them over and moved them.

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And then we stopped.
We're trying to figure outwhat we're doing, and I'm just dying.
I'm like, all right, my fasthas got to get back into shape.
Because you're right, you pullout a buck, and it wasn't like a
big fat buck.
This was just like a buck thatprobably weighed 180 pounds or something
like that.
And I'm just like chugging air.

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Like I'm never chugged air dayin life before.
And yeah, your adrenaline's kicking.
Your adrenaline's kicking.
You're like, you're huffingand you just.
I gotta get them out.
I gotta get them out.
Like, I shot up two years ago.
I shot a bear.
She was a female.
She was like 330 poundsbefore, but I think like 300 dressed.
Yeah.
And I think I moved her 50ftin an hour.

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I was by myself.
I tried to.
I couldn't even.
I could.
I was like.
I thought I was strong, but Icouldn't move her.
I had to call some buddies tocome and help me out.
Like, I thought it was.
I couldn't even lift her 300 pounds.
I deadly more than thissomething I couldn't even.
Even though it's dead away.
I said, God, I'm.
I was struggling, sweating,just breathing heavy.
It was crazy.
So, yeah, I tell people,listen, you want to be successful,

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you gotta.
You gotta prepare,preparation, breathe, success all
the time.
Squatch, you've been goingthrough the comments.
Has there been anything thatbeen wanting to bring up here?
I've kind of dropped the ballon that tonight.
No, we had.
We had Twilight Hunters.
He was talking about how.
How his career has hurt hisback and shoulders and all that stuff.

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Fighting off the bad guys.
He did not to cut you off, buthe did have a podcast, his very first
one, where he was Talkingabout his rehab surgery plan with
his physical therapist guy too.
So that, that episode wasgreat to listen to with how he's
going through his own type ofphysical rehabilitation type program
like Eddie is right now.

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Yeah, he was just commentingon that.
He doesn't drag deer.
He, you know, quarters him upand you know, packs them out.
So it's a little bit better onyou than trying to pull deer through
the woods.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Now I don't go hunting withoutmy deer cart.
Now I got to throw it on thecart and I gotta wheel them out.
I gotta wheel them out.
Yeah.
What are you doing, Eddie, fornutrition wise?

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What, what are you doing there?
I mean, obvious, obviouslyI'm, I'm, I'm, I still actually still
have some beat that I'm eating.
Listen, the, definitely thelast 17 months for my son, I, I,
I'd allowed myself to enjoylife a little more.
But again with that, like I'mdefinitely 20 pounds heavier, you
know, since, since my son.

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But listen, as we get older,the one things we stop doing is,
is, is most people don'tintake enough protein.
And that's just from 50s, 60s,70s, 80s, as we get older.
The key to longevity is yourmuscle mass.
Your muscle mass is what keepsyou going as you get older.
You know, you see those olderpeople when they get to 60s, 70s,
80s, you know, you know, youcan see a 60 year old in a wheelchair

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and you can see that same 60year old at the gym, you know, deadlifting
315.
It's like, what's thedifference between those two people?
Obviously life choices, butit's about maintaining your muscle
mass.
And as we get older, I believeit's after age 40, you lose a certain
percent of muscle mass everysingle year.
Well, one of the things thatmaintains your muscle is protein.
So if you're not eating enoughprotein, you're going to accelerate

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that loss, that muscle atrophy.
So I tell people, listen, youknow, for, for, I would say for an
active person, you know, as abodybuilder, you want 1 to 1.5 grams
of protein per pound of leanbody weight.
But for an average person,it's probably a half to, to 1 gram
of protein per pound of leanbody weight.

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Not pound of weight, a poundof lean body mass.
And most people don't hit that.
I know I, I struggle hittingthat myself sometimes because you
know, if, if you look at apiece of chicken, it might have 16,
17 grams of protein in a pieceof chicken.
And if I'm supposed to eat 200grams of protein a day.
How on earth am I eating 10pieces of chicken in a day?

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It's just not happening.
It's not happening unless I'mliterally training for that.
But I always tell people,listen, if you want to get fit, you
have to just bare minimum,increase your protein intake, your
lean protein intake, and, andmaintain that as you get, as you
get older.
You can still do.
You can still live your lifeand have those cheat days.
But, you know, skipping on, onadequate protein definitely will

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hurt you over the long haul.
So I'll tell you, I've alwaysbeen farmer strong, always growing
up, be able to do things guyscouldn't do, and just have that raw
brute strength.
But let me tell you something.
I hit 50, and I'm stillstrong, you know, but it's like,
everything slowed down, mymetabolism slowed down, my urge to,

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like, just want to freakingjust get up and go do something.
To do something is, like,slowed down.
So, you know, Brett, you'llsee as you get older, it, it slows
you down quite a bit, youknow, But I've been being good, actually.
I switched everything.
Like, I'm eating fruit nowjust for lunch.
I'm not having, like, a bigsandwich and trying to not eat so
much when I sit down and eat.

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Not like putting what I madeon the table, just putting my plate
on the table so it's not like,oh, well, that was pretty good.
I'll have some more.
So, I mean, I'm.
I'm 250 right now, so I got toget back down to, like, 2, 210, 212,
you know, in that area.
And I'll be, I'll be all right.
But it's tough, man.
The older, the older I get,I'm just like, screw it, you know,

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I just want to freaking havethat steak or have whatever, but,
you know, like, today I'mwalking up a freaking hill and I
got the blind on my back, and,you know, I'm huffing and puffing.
I'm like, yep, you know, yougotta, gotta start getting in shape
a little better, my man.
So we'll see.
It's definitely, it'sdefinitely hormonal, too.
You know, as we get older, youknow, whether you're a hunter or

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not, as you get older, youknow, our, our man juice, our testosterone
level.
There's so many things in theworld right now that naturally lower
our testosterone levels.
And that's.
And that's, and that's our lifeline.
You know, I, I, I know for menot, not to get too personal But
I got my blood work donerecently and my Testosterone level
is 100 points less than it waslast year.
And that's something that, youknow, and that, that could be from

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environmental factors, thatcould be because of my diet change
a little bit.
That could be from stress,that could be from a bunch of things.
And that's something that, youknow, if, if, if you have, if your
hormones are not in balance,you could have the perfect diet,
the perfect workout plan andyou're still going nowhere.
Yeah.
So I always tell people if,you know, because next year I will
be 50 and like, you know, goget your blood work done, go, go

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to the doctor.
Say you want, you want a fullscreen, you want to make sure that,
that you know, you're, you'rein an optimal state, health wise
to enjoy your life.
Because if, you know, itcauses depression, fatigue, lack
of motivation, lack of sex drive.
So many things happen to us asour hormones decrease.
So, you know, keeping themoptimal is huge.
And that could be because, andyour diet could affect that also,

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you know, there's thingsdietarily that if your diet's been
off, it could affect yourhormone levels and that affects everything.
So, you know, other than theworkout, there's so many other things
as men, as we get older thatwe have to take in consideration
and make sure we watch.
My testosterone's decreasingonly for two reasons.
One, because it's forenvironmental purposes.

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I live in a world wherethere's furries that are in this
world.
Two, stress, because there'sideal, have to deal with furries
living in this world that welive in now.
I get it.
I, I get it, I get it.
And listen food and, and listen.
Not to get too much into thatconversation, but the food industry
is hurting men.

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They don't care what happensto us.
But there's certain thingsthat naturally lower a massage, like
soy, like soy oils.
And I challenge you or anyoneelse to go to the grocery store,
look at any snack, any bread,anything that doesn't have any kind
of soy oil or soybean oil orthings like that in them.
And there's so many foodingredients that naturally hurt a
man's testosterone.

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You could do the research andyou'll see that today's man is like
the lowest recordedtestosterone in history.
And that's because food iskilling us.
And females, on the otherhand, there's so much estrogen in
milk and dairy products thatfemales are more enhanced at like
9 years old.
And girls are having theperiod earlier and earlier because

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of, of the hormones in Certain products.
So it's just, it's just not,not only are you battling family
stress and, and nutrition andgetting older, you're batting all
these out outside, you know,factors in the food industry at the
same time.
So it's funny that you, youmentioned that though, because when
I was, when I was growing up,around junior year, roughly for me,

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so this was probably around2010ish ballpark, kind of, in my
opinion, when soy was kind ofthe, the new thing of being in health
and you gotta eat more, drinkmore soy and stuff like that.
Hi, Michael.
My mom bought a lot of soyproducts and a lot of soy, at least
a lot of soy milk.

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I love milk growing up becauseit, I just love milk.
Yeah.
And I was taking a lot ofhealth classes and because I wanted
to get into some firm form ofhealth, I thought as a career, growing
up in life.
Anyways, I did a lot ofresearch and like you just said,
soy has, it's great for somehealth purposes.
However, there's a bignegative side to it for men itself

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and it's decreasing all theseother things that basically quote,
unquote, make men men.
Yep.
And I pointed it out to herand she's like, well, okay, yeah,
good point, good point.
Yeah, that's.
Listen, and when people askme, you know, things about nutrition,
I always say, try as hard asyou can to eat something as close

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to its original state as possible.
You know, as far away from the process.
Listen, everything has to be processed.
But you know, eating a potatoopposed to a French fry, you know,
eating it, eating something asclose to its original form, eat,
you know, eating like a pieceof venison rather than something

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processed.
So because everything's soultra processed nowadays that, that,
that, that's not helping us either.
So, you know, it's, it's, it'sdefinitely up.
It's up definitely uphillbattle for, for everyone, nutrition
wise, you know, And I was abig person where in my, probably
until like two years ago, I, Istill would do probably 12 to 20

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eggs in the morning.
That was my breakfast, 12 to20 eggs every single day.
Now I can't afford to do that.
Now I can't afford to do thatbecause it doesn't.
Eggs is like $6.
So I'm still like 6 to 10.
But you know, that'sdefinitely affecting me too because
I cut my protein in half.
So.
And then, and there's allthese fads out there, like intermittent
fasting and things like thatyou could do.

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But to me, listen, all thatmeans is Skipping breakfast, that's
all intermittent fasting is.
You're skipping a meal, youwant to be in a caloric deficit.
But you know, as we get older,skipping a meal also means that we're
not getting that nutritionthat we needed so to burn some body
fat.
So there's definitely abalance there.
I say as people get older,just make sure that you're eating

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good food.
Make sure you're eating enough protein.
Getting ready for huntingseason because you need the energy.
You need the energy, you needthe muscle.
Yep.
I will say this.
I'm gonna start.
We can kind of do somequestions here about hunting before
we go conclude for the night.
I remember one day in thepolice academy, they obviously.
So we had to do a food log.
We had to write downeverything that we ate, even when

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we were in and out of thepolice academy.
And so because our policecabin wasn't a state location, we
got to go home to our placesto come back.
They showed us one day on ourhealth day, whatever the side by
side of a cow and a rabbit, Ithink it was.
And you could see all thewhite fatness of a cow compared to

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all the regular just awesomemeat of like a rabbit.
And it was like, now whichmeat would you prefer to eat?
All this slow moving fatnessin this meat that's going to be going
into your own body or thisnice, fast, good, healthy meat into
your own body.
And we all said, obviously the rabbit.

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And they said, so why are youeating steak?
And that's what all the toxinswould be too, in the fat.
Yeah, there's point, there'sgood points to have some of that
fat.
But I was like, yeah, good point.
That's all.
That's why I eat a lot of venison.
I just, I got venison sticks.
And when a buddy says, hey,you want some venison?
I never turn that down.

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My son's dinner tonight was bison.
So, so I'm feeding them, I'mfeeding them up.
So listen to me.
Like my dad, 77, has a heartcondition, you know, and I've spoken
to the cardiologist and acardiologist will tell you that the
best, the best meats to eat.
Obviously elk is number one inthe list, but I don't have any elk

(45:06):
around here, so I can't.
You elk, bison and venison arethe leanest, healthiest, healthiest
meats you could eat for your heart.
So if I could, if I could, youknow, shoot up venison.
I'm not ready to give himvenison yet, but bison's next on
the list.
I could buy bison at a grocery store.
Maybe one day I'll be able toget out there and get me an elk and

(45:26):
be able to feed that to him.
But listen, I'm going to feedhim, I'm going to start him early
and get him into good habits.
Because you know, so manythings people say, oh, it's hereditary.
This is already.
No, habits are hereditary.
Teaching your child a certainhabit and a certain way to eat, that's
hereditary.
So listen, not to bedisrespectful to people out there,
but if you go to McDonald'syou see a parent that's heavy set,

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the child's usually heavyset.
It's not, it's not hereditary.
It's the parents teaching themthat this is the food that they should
be eating.
That's the problem.
It's what you're teaching yourchild that gets them, you know, to
make their choices in life.
So you know, listen, there,there are some, there are certain
things that are, arehereditary like diabetes and hypertension
and things like that.
But to me so much, so much ofit is just life choices and teaching

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people how to do it.
Right.
Right.
Let's kind of close it up onthis topic here.
How with.
So you and I have kids.
I got a four year old daughterand I got a two year old son.
I've talked about this with myparents and kind of curious on how
they admit introduced me into hunting.
Granted, I just grew up intoit and I just was never forced down

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my throat.
I just fell in love with itbecause I saw what my dad was doing
and I just wanted to be a partof it.
So that's how I kind of came about.
Yeah, I need to do this everyday of my life.
So I'm hoping that kind ofbrings up with my own kids of I just
bring them along with me.
I'm not saying much with them.
And I guess the point whereI'm trying to go with this is how
are you going to be trying toget your son into hunting without

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kind of like forcing it on him?
Like some, like some parentswould do that with certain sports
or yeah.
Topics and stuff like that outin the world.
So my, my wife brings it upall the time because I tell my wife
I have a plan.
She goes, what do you mean youhave a plan?
I have a plan for my son.
It might sound crazy, but Ihave a plan.
Doesn't mean it's necessarilygoing to work out that way.
If he doesn't want to, hedoesn't want to.

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But I'm not going into a gamethinking I'm going to lose.
I'm going into me thinkingthat it's going to go a certain way
and if things change then I'll adapt.
But I see the way my 17 monthold son looks at me, right?
And how big his eyes get whenI walk in the room and I'm sure your
son does the same thing.
Oh my God.
Dad, dad, dad.
That all he wants is that wellhe's going to watch me and he wants

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to do what I do well, I wantto show him the, I'm going to be
the lead by example, I'm goingto show him what I do.
Hopefully he wants to followwhat I do and I want to be more of
an influence in his life thana cell phone, social media, a video
game.
And I want to introduce him tothis things early enough where by

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the time he's five he's fishedand hunted and been with me so much
that that's what he loves to do.
I'm not going to do it whenhe's 13 and he's already, his brain's
already programmed to spentseven hours on a video game.
Just refuse to let that happen.
And I'm, and I plan on beingmore of an influence than hopefully
his friends are.
Obviously as they get olderthe outside influences play a part.

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But as he's young I'm going totry to be a bigger influence and
have him be with me and takehim out with me and you know, I,
I, he's 17 months, I have him,he has a, a real street fishing pole
and I pretend to be efficient.
I haven't tried a fish alreadydid reel it in and doing things like
that.
So by the time he's three he'sgonna know how to cast and reel and
we're gonna go out and catchour first fish and hopefully, you

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know, hopefully they say ifyou teach your kid to hunt and fish
when they're 13, 14, 15, youknow where they are, they're hunting
and fishing with you.
Hopefully that is my plan.
Hopefully that works out.
Listen, and if he wants to doother things then we address that.
Then if he doesn't likefootball, hopefully he does like
football but I'm gonna bringhim around football, I'm going to

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take him to a football gameand I'm going to play with him and
have a catch and hopefully helikes if he doesn't then we'll address
that when it, when that happens.
But until then he's going towatch daddy do what he does.
Like, we already do littleworkouts because daddy likes to work
out, so hopefully he'll workout too, and we eat a certain way.
So to me, it's just aboutgetting them at an early age in front
of the things that you love to do.

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And hopefully they'll love it also.
Yeah, I kind of been doingthat with my kids, actually.
This sounds like we kind ofhave the same mentality because except
for my daughter, she lookedwhen I had my first deer with her,
she wanted to be all around it.
And then when she got older,she's like, oh, no, deer.
Not grossed out by it.
She just like, oh, it's aanimal right there.

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I don't think she grasped thatit's dead or alive or anything like
that.
I don't know.
But my son, he will just runup in there and just dive right into
the guts while we got the deer out.
That's great.
That's great.
That's great.
And.
And he loves it.
And when I got my deer lastyear, he was just all mesmerized
by, like, looking at theantler is touching it and like, at

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one point I looked away and Ilooked back and he's poking its eye
and I'm like, dude, stop.
Let's stop that.
And then some.
Excited to get them outside soon.
Hopefully next weekend we'regoing to be doing some as my life
would wife likes to call itwoodland duties.
Getting it prepared for out inthe woods for this upcoming season.

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I'm going to take them outthere with me and get everything
start prepped up that I needto start doing and just introducing
it slowly into that fashion.
This kind of sounds like whatyou're doing.
And yeah, like today, not tocut you up, but today we went to
the grocery store and today I.
I called it camo and elmo day.
Me and him both had camouflagejackets on.

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We both had elmo hats on.
And we went to the grocerystore and everyone was like, oh,
my God, you guys look so cute.
He dresses like daddy.
We wear camo on Sundays.
And we.
I bought me an Elmo hat.
He has an Elmo hat.
We both.
We both look like we were twins.
But.
But you know, what does haveto do so much of the parents.
And I'll give you a quick story.
I.
I joined a program this pastyear where I shot my deer.

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That's.
It's on the picture for the podcast.
And it was a township programwhere it was 297 acres and they were.
They allowed 12 hunters on itand it was $40 for a permit.
But that same property, therewas trails for people to hike.
So I went out actually onNovember 7th in the morning, went
to my spot, got up in myclimber and it was 6:30, the sun

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came up.
6:45, this big 24 and a halfinch wide.
Buck came out, he was so wide,shot him at 25 yards.
I had to drag him back to theparking lot.
When I got to the parking lot,all right, and it was the election
week, so I didn't realizethese kids didn't have school.
I got to the parking lotdragging my deer.
My deer cart covered with blood.

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It was a nice blood shot.
So there was red blood allover the deer, all over the deer.
I get to the parking lot,there's like seven cars and like
25 year old kids.
I'm like, what is going on?
I'm like, I have a bloody deer here.
It was since they didn't haveschool, they were taking a nature
hike.
All the kids, the parentsbrought their kids taking nature

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hikes.
And I, and it was so awkwardbecause I'm sitting there and I was
waiting for a buddy to help meget into my truck.
So I have a dead deer layingthere, blood, and I have like 25
year old kids staring at me.
Mommy, mommy, what's that?
Why is the deer bleeding?
And actually one of themothers turned to her son and she
goes, remember what I talkedto you.

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Daddy went hunting and they dothat to, to harvest deer.
And most hunters, he, he'lleat the meat and he does that to
control the pot.
And the, and the mother stoodthere and explained to the 5 year
old kid why in her mind shefelt that I shot the deer because
I was population control.
I eat it.
Daddy hunted once, remember hehas the head in the wall.

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And she explained and the kidwas like, oh, oh.
And then I was like, you wantto come touch the antlers?
And he came with us.
And it was, and it was so.
It made me feel morecomfortable because I felt uncomfortable
having a dead deer there.
But the parents, the parentsunderstood and the parents explained
that to their children.
So the child, the child wasn'tall freaked out and scared.

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And that's what has to happen more.
Parents just need to haveconversation with their kids and
let them know why we do whatwe do.
It's not just killing for thesake of killing.
It's that there's a purposebehind it.
And once they know thepurpose, they'll be more inclined
to want to do it rather thango out there.
And obviously there are guyswho are there who don't follow that
same principle.
But I hope the thing is ahunter, most people, most hunters

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are ethical hunters and theyhunter for the right reasons.
Yeah, I agree with you too on that.
And that's one thing I, I tellmy daughter at least.
And so we live in aneighborhood and we got deer running
around all the time.
And I tell my wife, the deerin this neighborhood, they're off
limits because I could justbasically shoot them with a BB gun
type deal.
Yeah.

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But I say, oh, you got fivemonths left.
No, you got four months leftand the game's on.
And my daughter would be like,no, daddy, you can't shoot those
deer.
Those are my, the deer, my friend.
I'm like, yeah, for like acouple months and then they're not
anymore.
And I try breaking things down.
Like, you see the venison thatyou won't eat, that's on your dinner

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table right there?
I shoot those to feed you.
And I use the hide.
I don't even know what I useto hide sometimes for.
Sometimes I donate it and Iuse that to make sure that you, you
have food to eat.
I do that to make sure thatthe population's staying in control
and it's the best way that Ipossibly can.
And it's all environmentalstuff that we're doing here as hunters.

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She's four, she gets most ofit, but at the end of the day, she's
like, just don't suit my deer.
That's all they, that's allshe cares, though.
Just don't shoot her deer.
Yeah, my mom says, my mom saysthe same thing.
My mom says the same thing.
My mom has a house in house in Pennsylvania.
And I swear to you, she showedme pictures last year.
I think it was probably 140,150 inch deer in her backyard.

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And she was feeding it corn.
And I was like, are youkidding me?
Like, I haven't seen, like, Ihaven't seen a deal like that ever
in PA Hunting.
It's in my mom's backyard andright across the street is state
land.
I was like, ma, you can namehim Bucky, but if he walks across
the street in October, Bucky'sgoing to be on the wall forever.

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As long as long as Bucky staysin your backyard.
But that's a, that's a shooterdeer in a heartbeat.
My mom said, don't trust my dear.
I'm like, all right, I won'ttouch him until he goes across the
street.
So.
So that's what happens.
I get it, I get it.
That's cool though that yougot to see.
How did any of the otherparents or kids react outside of

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that.
That one?
Most of them just grab theirkids, come over here, come over here.
Because they didn't want, theydidn't want them to get too close.
But a lot of them heard theother mother so they were just listening.
No, no one said anything inappropriate.
I was.
Because that would have madeit even more uncomfortable if they
said something inappropriate.
Right.
Because it actually was Ithink the day after the election.

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So you never know how tempersare flying in this inclinement that
we're in because obviouslybased on my truck and the stickers
on my car and things, theyknew which way I was going.
So I was glad there was noexchange like that.
But the, the parents were, youknow, they were taking the kids on
a, on a nature hike to explain nature.

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So it was, I guess it fit intotheir agenda for the day.
For me it was uncomfortablefrom the beginning.
I was like, oh my God.
The moment I come out theywere there right at 7 o'clock by
the time I got my deer back.
And I was like, oh my God.
Goodness.
But way to start off thenature walk with.
Yep, yeah, right there.
Yeah.
Oh man.

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I won't be back to that spot.
Real if we have time.
I have a real quick story andthe one thing I would tell hunters
it's is I'm actually gettingready to go to Iowa in, in June.
I teach a kids camp out there.
It's called raise that full drawer.
We have like 50 kids.
We teach them how to, how to,how to hunt.
How to hunt from stands, treestand safety, hunter education.
We do all that.
And the one thing, one thingI'm going to tell them when I get

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up there is as a hunter you'reresponsible to know the rules and
regulations for your property.
So don't listen to yourfriends, don't listen to anyone else.
You're responsible and you'lltake accountability.
With that being said, I huntedthis property for the first time.
$40 for the permit.
It was county township land.

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Season ended February 18th.
For us it was really lateFebruary 18th and I got caught up
at work.
My son got, he actually gotcovered at one point.
He was.
My wife was sick and I waslike I didn't realize that the rules
stated that you had to getyour tree stand out of the woods
no later than three weeksafter the season.
I didn't know that.

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I didn't know that because Ididn't read it fully because I was
caught up and busy.
My friends hunted othertownship properties and they had
different rules.
So I just listen to them.
Well, I get a phone call fromthe park ranger saying that, you
know, they discovered my stand.
It should have been picked uptwo days ago.

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It's still at the spot.
They also found out that inJersey we're allowed to bait and
my and my buddies bait othertownship properties like ours and
they could put out unlimited bait.
Well, at this particularproperty, the property, the fine
print said that you, you can'tput more than two, two gallon, a

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two gallon bucket of corn outat a time.
I didn't know that.
So they tell me that not onlydid they find my stand, that I put
out too much corn.
And I was like, and this is inmid March, almost end of March.
I was like, how did you know Iput out too much corn?
Well, I had a camera there.

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Had a camera there.
I left the camera there.
They took out the SD card andwent through all my pictures and
saw me dropping corn out, showme dropping measure coin.
So I was like, I didn't knowthat rule.
They said, well, as a hunter,you're responsible for knowing the
rule.
Well, I went back and lookedat the rules and there you go.
It says fine print, reallysmall print, even though you're allowed
to bait no more than twogallon bucket.

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That being said, I got alittle fine.
It was like 60 fine.
But I'm not allowed to huntthat property for two years.
I got penalized for two years.
To me that hurt more thananything else because that was a
great spot that I had.
But you know, listen, I takefull accountability, full responsibility.
I should have known, I shouldhave read all the rules.

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My buddy told my buddy whohunts another township said those
aren't the same rules as his property.
Well, and I just took his wordfor it.
I assumed that, oh, that'scounty property, this is county property,
same rules apply.
Obviously they don't.
As a hunter, I'm responsibleto make sure that I know the rules
of where I hunt and, and that's.

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It's going to be good lessonfor me to teach these kids.
Unfortunately, I had to findit the hard way.
I mean, I take this, I toldthe ranger, I take full accountability.
It's my fault.
I got caught up with my son.
Should have took my stand outand I should have read the rules
on the corn and, and hopefullythose bucks get two years to grow
and I come back in in yearnumber three.
And I'll get it done.
So I have a good spot back there.
Where, where the.

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But where you're.
You're talking about yourbuddy where he's at a different area.
Were they far apart from eachother, like two different areas?
Well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.
It's still hunting county, butit's a different township.
Like his.
My permit was $40 to hunt 300 acres.
Their program, they pay ahundred dollars to hunt like 40 acres.

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And it's two guys per ace.
So it's the same type of hunting.
It's like wildlife deer management.
But it was two different townships.
And I didn't think thetownships would have different rules,
but obviously the township.
Were in the same county.
Just different townships apartfrom each other.
Yeah.
That's odd how.
Like that.
Yes.
I get like.

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Yeah, like maybe like a countyby county type thing of like, or
county, other counties,something like that, where they have
that type of rule.
But usually you don't reallyhear that in the same county or same
region type thing.
So it was a different program.
It was a different program.
So my friend's program, theycould do unlimited corn.

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They could do whatever.
They could leave their stands there.
This one, they had differentrules, which kind of threw me a little
bit.
But like I said, lesson learned.
As a hunter, no matter whatyour friends say, your other people
say, just make sure that youknow the rules and regulations where
you're going to hunt.
Because at the end of the day,ignorance is.
Not knowing is an excuse.
And I accept that.
It was my fault.

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I.
I take accountability.
I paid the fine, and I have towait two years to get back to that
spot.
So however unfair I thought itwas, it's still.
Rules are rules and we gottaabide by them.
Right.
Well, he took it like a man, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A little upset because thedeal that I got on the wall is from
that property.
So.
Really?
Actually, actually both deer Ishot this year were from that same

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stand, that property.
Want a shotgun one?
Yep.
Yep.
It was just.
It was just a great spot.
It's a great spot.
No, no one will find out aboutthat spot for two years.
They will be.
He will be hidden.
It will be hidden.
And you know what?
One of the reasons I shotthose deer is, like I said, 297 acres.
I actually went from theparking lot to my stand is exactly

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one mile.
Wow.
One mile.
I went one mile back and Itook a bike, went right all the way
in the back.
And I'm One mile away from theparking lot.
That's where the big dealwere, because all these guys, they
want to get out their car andthey want to walk 50, 60 yards and
put up a stand.
I'm like, listen, you want abig deer, you got to go where no
one else is.
And in order to do that, yougot to be in shape and get back there

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to the spot.
Yeah.
So it took me a while to getthem to the parking lot, but I, I
got it done.
Well, Eddie, we're gettinghere to wrap it up for the rapid
fire.
Okay.
We got about seven questionsfor you.
Okay.
Yeah.
Besides hunting, do you haveany other hobbies or interests?
Well, I love working out.
You know, that's the thing.

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Love sports.
You know, all sports.
I actually, you know,recently, it's.
It's crazy, but I've beenwatching a lot of wnba.
I love the Indiana feeder,love Caitlin Clark.
I mean, I, I, I never used tobe able to watch more than 10 seconds
of a female game, but now it'sactually, it's actually quite interesting.
There's a lot of greatathletes playing them there.
And you know what?

(01:03:37):
Late lately, I like quiet time.
Like a little bit, A little bit.
A little bit of meditation.
You know, you, until youbecome a pat, you don't realize how
important.
You know, 10 to 15 minutes ofjust being by yourself and within
your own thoughts.
That's kind of how, you know,it's kind of how what we love about
hunting, right, that we couldbe in a tree and, and for those couple
hours, it's just you withinyour own mind be able just to think

(01:04:00):
about the things you want tothink about.
Enjoying nature and just, youknow, having that sense of peace,
no one bothering you, noexternal factors.
And, but when it's not huntingseason, you got to find ways to get
that same, you know, same kindof dopamine.
And, you know, I've beendefinitely enjoying.
Enjoying my, my peace andquiet time, so.
And I've been doing a lot of.

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A lot of shoulder rehab.
Shoulder rehab has been myhobby recently, so.
Because I promise you I willbe able to shoot my bow come September.
So that is the plan.
What is a wild game animal onyour bucket list to hunt?
Shot a bear.
Shot a.
You know what?
I.
Either mule deer or elk.
You know, I, I've watched alot of mule deer hunts on tv.

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I think they're, they're fascinating.
But, you know, you know, I'dprobably say the elk just because
I have friends in Iowa who goelk hunting and just the Physical
challenge of elk hunting.
Seems like I would love itbecause they.
Because I have a buddy wholiterally starts training in the
spring, and you ask him, whyare you doing so much cardio?
Why are you.
Because I'm training for elk season.
I was like, what do you mean?

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He goes.
He will.
He'll walk 5, 10, 15 miles ina day.
You know, when they go elk hunting.
And to me, that'd be a great.
I think I'd love to take onthat challenge just because I love
the fact that when you havesomething inside, you have something
to train for, something tomotivate you.
So knowing that I had an elkhunt where I had to know I had to
be in shape or I'm gonna paythe price, I'd love that type of
motivation.

(01:05:23):
And I heard El and I've hadelk before, and it's really delicious.
Yeah, that's.
I've held.
That is very good.
Yeah.
What is a wild game animal youwant to try eating?
Well, you know what?
I've eaten a lot, so there'san event in Staten island that I
go to every year.
It's called Wild Game night.
It's a 13.
It's a 13 course meal.

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And I've been going for thelast eight years.
And it's.
It's the.
You know, it's elk, wild boar,venison, rattlesnake, alligator,
pheasant, frog legs.
Like, they just keep on comingout with all this crazy stuff.
And I do that every year.
And I've had so much different.
I look forward to that eventso much because I've eaten some crazy

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stuff.
Don't really like rattlesnakethat much.
Tastes like rubber.
Love alligator.
Alligator is great.
Alligator is great.
You know, I recently heard apodcast not too long ago about moose
hunting that was fascinating.
Moose hunting in Alaska.
So I wonder.
I've never had.
I've never tasted moose.
Don't know what it would tastelike, but that'd be an interesting
meat to taste.

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It's incredible.
I think you're the first oneto actually say moose.
Yeah.
Even asking.
But the moose hunt itself, the moose.
Moose hunting in Alaska,you're talking 60, $70,000 plus for
a moose hunt.
I'm like, yeah, so that soundslike a meal that I'll.
I'll never have.
I'll never have.
That's.
That's.
That's a little bit out of myrange for a hunt.

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Let me ask you this, because Ihave to ask it for Michael.
Have you ever tried possum before?
No, I have not tried possum.
I've tried squirrel, though.
Had some squirrels.
So they're.
They're.
They're surprisingly delicious.
Amazing.
And so, yeah, I had some guys.
I had some guys trick me.
Some.
I went hunting once with abunch of guys from Brazil and they

(01:07:08):
made dinner and they're like,oh, try this.
And I thought it was, like,little chicken wings.
I didn't realize what it was.
And I was like, wow, this isreally good.
And then I look outside andthere's, like, squirrel carcass.
So I'm like, oh, wow, great.
But it was.
It was pretty good.
It just shows you that so manypeople, like, if you don't know what
it is and you eat it, if it'sdelicious, it's delicious.
I've tricked.

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I've tricked so many peopleinto eating venison that they'll
eat it.
Oh, wow, this is really good.
I'm like, yeah, that's.
That's, you know, Bambi's dad.
Like, oh.
And then they stop eating.
I'm like, wait, two minutesago you thought it was delicious.
Right?
So it's not that.
It's just.
Oh, it's all on their mind.
On their mind.
Like, for super bowl parties,I'll make like, venison sliders,
and people will devour themand they think it's meat.
I'm like, oh, that's venison.

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Then they get all upset.
Like, why'd you get upset?
You liked it.
You enjoyed it.
It's healthy.
Yeah.
It's good for you, burningthat beef crap that you're eating.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
No hormones, no drugs.
Yeah.
Yep.
So you get.
You can pick a family memberand a non family member.
If.
Who.
You get to pick one of themfor a hunting trip with one time

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or a campfire with one time.
Who would that be?
So a family member.
Yeah, you think a familymember and a non family member.
And listen, this is.
This is going to touch base,so I'd love to go hunting with my
dad again.
You know, the last time I wenthunting with my dad, I was probably
14, you know, and.

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And we used to hunt upstateNew York.
Shotgun.
Upstate New York.
And we never really killedmuch, never really saw much.
And.
And, you know, would.
If.
If his health was better, I'dlove to take him on a hunting trip
or have him, you know, just goout one more time with him.
So.
And then for a campfire in.

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In terms of, like, hunting related.
Yeah, you can bring someonefor a hunting trip one time or share
a campfire with one time.
Who Would that be.
That's a.
That's a rough one.
That is a.
That's a rough one.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's.
That's a hard one.
That's a hard one.
Who would you give me?

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Who would you pick?
Let's say this.
If I.
I have a whole bunch of peopleI love to go out hunting with, but
to be able to sit by acampfire with, though it.
It's a toss up between TedNugent and Fred Bear.
I love to sit around campfirewith one of those two and just pick
their brains.
And more.
More lenient towards FredBarry just to pick his brain.

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Yeah.
I lived on a podcast once with.
With Jackie Bushman, and hewas just a.
Just seemed like he had so much.
He.
He had stories upon storiesupon stories.
He's a cool dude.
Yeah.
Like.
And.
Yeah.
And I was like, he'd be a coolguy to sit down because.
Because even though he onlygot through a couple of.
So I guarantee.
I'm sure he has story uponstory upon story, Monday story, old

(01:09:57):
school Honda stories.
And he.
He's mentioned guys like FredBear and stuff like that before.
So I.
That'd be cool to sit down andhear some.
Here's some stories about howthey used to hunt when it was hard
back in the day.
Yeah.
So.
Because now they say we hunteasy with all our technology.
Yeah.
Technology.
Yeah.
What we do without cell cans.
Right.
What would we do?
I don't know.

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All right, last question here.
How do you think we, as fellowhunters could or should do to improve
the hunting community as a whole?
Man, that's.
That's.
It's.
One thing I.
One thing I want to tell thekids when I go up to camp is, you
know, I.
I pay my own way.
I fly to Iowa.
I pay my own way to come volunteer.

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And I know that I travel thefurthest out of any volunteer there
to go out there.
And I do it because I love it.
And you know what I would tellthese kids is I don't view it as.
Raise that full drawer.
Should thank me for coming to volunteer.
It's almost like I shouldthank them for allowing me to come
in here and share myexperiences with the kids.

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And all I ask them to do isthat when they're older, they pay
it forward.
They pay it forward.
They take a youth out hunting or.
Or teach a kid how to shoot abow or teach a kid some rifle safety.
So.
So to me, that's huge.
And I think that's so much ofwhat we're getting away from is so

(01:11:21):
many people are giving kids,and I'll save this on Blue in the
Face.
So many people are giving kidseverything that they never had instead
of giving them some of thethings that they did have, like discipline,
respect, love for theoutdoors, taking them fishing and
doing all the things that wedid when we were little.
And it comes down to theparents and, you know, understanding

(01:11:43):
that today's dynamic familiesare different.
You know, now you have bothparents working and the kids are
with babysitters or more kidsin daycare than ever.
And the parents come home andthey're tired and they're not.
They can't physically spend asmuch time with their kids as they
used to when the mom used tobe home all the time.
It's just, parents need tojust make that.

(01:12:04):
If you love something, whetherit's hunting, sports, take the extra
time to teach it to theirkids, the teacher to their kids.
I even have, you know, I.
I have nephews that mybrothers are sports fanatics, and
I have nephews that neverplayed sports ever.
I don't understand it, but Iwon't be that way.
But if you love something andyou love the outdoors, hunting, fishing,

(01:12:26):
trapping, whatever it is,teach it to your child.
Yeah, teach to your child.
Stop giving them all thethings that you didn't have.
Give them some of the thingsthat you did have.
Yep.
Get them outside on a bike.
You know.
How many kids you see nowadayswith broken arm or broken legs?
None.
Back in the day, everyone usedto break their arms.
We used to be outside swingingand doing crazy.
I don't see any kids with caston anymore.

(01:12:47):
No one ever.
Because no one's outside.
Yeah, no one's outside anymore.
So to me, it's just about listening.
Parents need to just, just,you know, I, I know, listen.
I give parents all the creditin the world.
It's hard to support kids nowadays.
Both parents are working.
But take the time.
Teach.
If it fits your passion, teachit to your kid.
Don't let them, don't let themget too old where you lose that period

(01:13:11):
of time where they're so.
They're so influenced by you.
And now they're 13, 14, and nomatter what you tell them, it's going
to go in one ear, out the other.
So I think we just, as ahunting community, we lose like a
million hunters every year,and the numbers getting worse and
worse and worse because it'sjust generationally, it's happening
just as hunters.
We need just to keep onspreading the word.

(01:13:32):
Keep on teaching the youth,the next generation, you know, about,
about how big of, you know,we're the number one conservation
tool in the country, ushunters, and we teach that to that
next generation, you know, andget them out of the stereotypes that
hunting's murder and it'skilling and it's this and that and
give them reasons why, why wedo it.

(01:13:52):
So hopefully by doing that weget more kids, more kids out there.
Even when I go to camp, I knowall 50 kids, not all of them are
going to be hunters, but someof them might become lifelong archers
for the rest of their life.
To me that's good enough too.
Yeah.
And at that point it's like ifyou're, if you're not going to teach
your kids that stuff, thenwhat's the point of even having kids
and being a parent?

(01:14:12):
That's the point of havingkids and why become parent?
That's why I wanted, I wantedkids was to be able to teach them
these things.
I, I, I have so much love.
I want to teach my nextgeneration and stuff like that and
I want to be able to teach mykids these things.
And my first thing that as aparent that I feel like I need to
teach in my own kids is likeyou said, I want to give them everything

(01:14:33):
I didn't have.
But my very first mission, atleast in my eyes, is I got to teach
them integrity, honesty, beingself reliant.
I got to teach them corevaluables first and how to treat
people with respect and be ahard worker and teach them all these
core values of what makes me,me, makes my wife her, teach these

(01:14:54):
core values in them before Ican start teaching other things.
And then once I start gettingthat in them, I started teaching
them all these, the outdoorsand everything that I want them to
be a part of.
And that's what I'm lookingforward to.
And if they don't take aboutit, if they don't get into sports,
then I'll be a little hurt.
But if they, as long as theyfollow their heart and give whatever

(01:15:15):
they give at 110%, then I'mgonna love and support them in any
way that I possibly can.
But at least I did what Ithink I had to do in teaching them
everything I could.
If they didn't take it, theydidn't take it, then I can't, not
gonna hurt them for it.
But I tell my wife this allthe time though.
Nowadays, like you just said,kids these days, they're not outside

(01:15:36):
working hard or they're juston their Phones and like that.
I tell my kids every day,though they might not understand
what I mean.
I say, if you just give 110,you're gonna dog walk all these other
kids out there nowadays,because everyone out there is just
so soft.
You're.
If you just wanna, if youwanna be run your own company, this
is the time to do it.

(01:15:56):
Study, learn, and not workeverybody else.
And you're gonna do it hardwork is what you do.
And when you have last nameBowman, you don't settle on anything.
You don't quit.
Listen, I'm glad you said that.
And to me, you know, havingthem, teaching them the values, that
represents your last name.
You know what your last namemeans to you, you know what your
last name represents.

(01:16:17):
Making sure that not onlythat, they're proud to have that
last name that they resent,they represent it properly.
And to me, my name's Eddie Diaz.
My dad's name's Eddie Diaz andmy son's name is Eddie Diaz.
And I'm gonna dare make surethat he represents that name properly.
And that's my goal.
Yep.
That was like one of the firstthings my dad taught me growing up.
He's like, you see that lastname Bovin right there?

(01:16:41):
Honor it the right way.
With the E.
Yeah, with an E.
And to me, that's, to me,that's important to me and I, I,
I, I get it.
And hopefully that'll beimportant to him.
Eddie, I can't say thank youenough, man, for coming on the show
and thank you again for beingable to work with us on the scheduling
from last week to today.
My pleasure.
I greatly appreciate, man.

(01:17:01):
And you're one, Like I said,you're one of the few guests I'd
be.
I try to stay in touch withall the guests that come on the show,
but you're one of the guestsI've just constantly stayed in touch
with the most since we, I'vehad you on the show.
So, man, I love staying incontact with you.
I love talking to you, lovepicking your brain for people that
want to reach out to you,follow along your journey, maybe
have you on a guest on their,their episode or podcast, whatever

(01:17:24):
the case may be.
How can people reach out toyou, brother?
You listen, they can find me.
I'm on social media.
You know, it's Eddie Diaz.
D I, A Z.
I'm on Facebook.
You know, people could DM me.
Yeah, I, I don't know if howelse they would do it other than
that.
I'm on Instagram.
I think my Instagram is Eddie D34.

(01:17:47):
So they can find me onInstagram Eddie34.
If they want to message me,you know, or, or get in contact,
they could do it that way.
I think my email's on there too.
I'm.
I'm old school.
My email, I'll give this out.
It's e d d I e 53311@aol.
I'm an AOL guy.

(01:18:07):
I'm old.
I still have my AOL accountand I tell people I'm never getting
rid of it.
I'm AOL until.
Until I die.
If they don't like it, then itis what it is.
I love it.
Squatch, how could peoplereach out to you, brother?
As always, my typical spielis, as always, guys, you can find
me here on Sundays and Tuesdaynights on the White Till Advantage.

(01:18:28):
And you can also find me onthe Garden State Outdoorsman Mike
Nitray, Frank Mastica.
That's usually once a week,probably on Wednesday nights or Thursday
nights whenever we get aroundto doing it.
And you can find me on allsocial media platforms under Outdoors
and more with the Squatch andalso my YouTube channel, which we're
gonna have some really coolturkey footage coming up pretty soon.

(01:18:51):
But I gotta sit down and edita bunch of videos.
So hope you guys all enjoythat when we get that one out.
Well, Squatch, thank you forcoming on tonight.
And again, Eddie, thank you somuch man, for coming.
My pleasure as always.
Thank you, Eddie.
Nice meeting you.
Have a great rest of yournight, guys.
All right, you too guys.
Like I said, Eddie's a great guy.
I love that guy.

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(01:19:54):
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