Ep 153 / Join the Pack: Howl For Wildlife with John Stallone

Join me, Squatch, Dave, and Johnny for a lively chat with John Stallone as we dive into the world of wildlife conservation with Howl For Wildlife. We kick things off by discussing the organization's mission to protect North America's wildlife and fisheries from misguided legislative threats. John shares his journey from a passionate hunter to the vice president of a movement that empowers the hunting community to unite and make their voices heard. With a mix of humor and heartfelt stories, we explore the importance of science-based wildlife management and the need for hunters to be proactive in advocating for their rights. So grab your favorite snack, kick back, and let's howl for wildlife together!

.Get ready for a wild ride with Squatch, Dave, and Johnny as we sit down with John Stallone to dive into the heart of wildlife conservation. This episode kicks off with some light-hearted banter that sets the mood for an informative discussion on Howl For Wildlife, a grassroots initiative aimed at uniting hunters and wildlife enthusiasts to stand up for sustainable hunting practices. John shares his personal journey in the hunting community, starting with his early days in Italy and how he got hooked on hunting at the tender age of five. The crew chats about the importance of connecting with nature and the role that hunters play in wildlife management, which is often misunderstood by the public. We explore how hunting isn't just about the thrill of the chase but also about fostering a deep respect for nature and its creatures.

As the conversation unfolds, John sheds light on the challenges facing wildlife today—from misguided legislation to the emotional narratives that often overshadow scientific data. We discuss specific legislative issues, like the recent threats to bear hunting in California, and how Howl For Wildlife mobilizes passionate individuals to take action. The team emphasizes the need for hunters to voice their concerns and engage in the political process to ensure that wildlife management practices are based on science rather than emotion. John shares success stories that highlight how collective action can make a difference, reminding us that when we howl for wildlife, we're advocating for a future where hunting and nature can coexist harmoniously.

Listeners will find themselves not only entertained but also inspired to take action in their communities. Whether you hunt, fish, or simply love the great outdoors, this episode is packed with valuable insights and a call to arms for wildlife conservation. Join us as we howl for wildlife, because together, we can make a meaningful impact on the future of our natural resources.

Takeaways:

• John Stallone shared his journey and experiences with Howl For Wildlife, showcasing the importance of being involved in wildlife conservation efforts.
• The podcast emphasized that hunting and fishing communities need to unite to protect their rights, as every lost hunting opportunity affects all outdoor enthusiasts.
• Howl For Wildlife acts as a platform to mobilize public action against policies threatening wildlife, proving that collective voices can influence legislation.
• The conversation highlighted the misconception about hunters, stressing the need to present the positive aspects of hunting and its role in conservation.
• Listeners were reminded that every hunter's involvement, no matter how small, can lead to significant change in wildlife management and protection.
• The hosts urged the audience to engage with wildlife issues and stay informed, as neglecting to act can lead to detrimental policies affecting outdoor recreation.

Episode Transcript

(00:02):
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with.
Your host, Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
There's no.

(00:22):
What is going on, everybody?
I am at it.
You're not Brett Boven.
You're.
I wanted to make sure everyoneknew that we have.
We have decided to do awaywith the ultra long humdrum.
Don't make it seem like it's this.
Hold on.

(00:45):
Exactly what all thesegirlfriends in the past are saying.
It's not that long.
Don't make it all drawn out.
We're taking over to some.
Yeah, that's right.
Welcome to the show.

(01:05):
So tonight we have a special guest.
He's related to rock.
I am Frank and Frank, the singer.
Frank was a great singer.
That's my dad.
Nice.
Is it really?
Really.
That's really Frank.
But.
Oh, I'm like, holy.
That was.
I would have lied.

(01:27):
No, but we're.
We're.
We're honored to have ourguest, John Stallone on tonight.
Who.
Yes, somebody on tonight,killer of the.
Woods, who likes to do thesame stuff we do.
So.
Yes, I would like to take asecond and.
Actually, you know what I just realized?
No, this is the first showthat we've had everyone that's the
host of their show on in a minute.

(01:47):
Yeah, it has.
Oh, yeah.
Well, we discussed earlierthat Dave is always off because he's,
you know, attempted murder andall that stuff.
Trying to push.
Hey, man.
Fall.
Can't prove.
Yeah.
Out on some hunting trips.
And then Squatch is always.
He's always on here.
Squatch is all reliable.
Yeah.
Like Squad said on his lastshow, he doesn't have a life.

(02:10):
I have no life.
See, John's hunting trip, though.
John's hunting trip, though,was looking for.
For dudes out in the woods.
That's.
That's his hunting trip.
No, that was the one.
The one before that.
No, no, that was the onebefore that.
Yeah, the one before that.
This last one I did was thatturkey hunt.
Yeah, there are so many ofthose you can't keep up.
Yeah.

(02:32):
John, can you give a little background?
I mean, really, guys, we got a guest.
We don't care about it.
Can you guys be professional, please?
We are smart enough.
Smarten up.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's.
Let's lock it in now.
So, John.
Yes.
Which John.
Yeah, exactly.
Right?
This is.
Yeah, yeah, because I heard.

(02:53):
Welcome to the show, John.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it, guys.
Really do.
All right, so why don't yougive the.
The viewers here and listenersa little Background story about yourself.
Been hunting since I'm fiveyears old.
My first trip out and my firsttrip out with a gun was with my dad
and five.
At five years old we, we laida 30.

(03:16):
30.
Oh, I should have, sorry.
35 marlin on a, on a fence post.
Well, technically it was onthe barbed wire of the fence post
because I wasn't that tall,but at a deer.
And I shot a deer with himholding me around like this.
And I wouldn't recommend thatto anybody actually.
That almost scarred me for life.
But yeah.
35 kicks a little too muchfor, for a five year old.

(03:40):
Man the hell up.
I did that with my daughter at.
Four with a 870 Wingmaster.
Oh no, it was four.
And she lined it up and I tookthe recoil to the hip, but man, she
shot and was out the door tograb that deer in like record time.
Nice.
That's.
I gotta tell you, gotta tellyou, John.
35 Marlin is one of myfavorite guns.

(04:00):
I've killed a lot of deer withthat caliber.
I was the, that was the eastcoast deer deer gun, man.
It was like that was the thing.
It was either that or a.30 30,you know.
Yeah, or I, I guess the 30 oddsix was, you know, the.
Yeah, the, the golden goose.
But yeah, my.
I still have that gun thatsafe behind me right there.
I love it, man.
Love the 35.

(04:21):
Yeah, it's still got the 3 by3 by 9 red line scope on it, I think.
Whatever.
Or something like that.
Redfield.
Redfield scope.
Redfield, that's it.
Yeah.
So.
So that was my, you know, myintroduction, my uncle's, my dad,
everybody, they all hunted.
And I'm actually firstgeneration here in the United States.
So they were all immigrantsthat came over and they hunted back

(04:44):
in Italy.
And my grandfather was a bigwing shooter back in Italy.
And you know, they kind ofbrought that here and you know, one
thing led to another and thenI picked up bow hunting somewhere
around the age of 13.
And then I left that for alittle bit.
I moved out to Arizona andthen I started bow hunting again
probably two years after I was here.

(05:06):
So like 17 or 18 years old, Ipicked it back up and 2001 I was
winning tournaments andkilling things.
So I got on with the.
I was a pro staff for Matthewsand I was in some way shape or form
from 2001 till.

(05:29):
I mean, I guess technically,even still today I'm was.
I've been paid some way shapeor form in hunting.
So technically I'm aprofessional Hunter because I get
paid to do it.
You know, been a guide sinceearly 2000s here in Arizona.
I guide for mule deer, coos,deer, sheep, and I guide for muleys

(05:52):
back in South Dakota.
We, we do like 15 days over there.
I, I have a bow fishingcharter out here also.
But for the purpose of thispodcast, I guess my biggest hat that
I'm wearing right now is I'mthe vice president and one of the
co founders, Charles Whitwam.
And I co founded AlphaWildlife, which is a platform that

(06:13):
provides the tools,information and the ability to connect
the average hunter with thedecision makers on policy that would
affect their ability to hunt,fish and recreate the outdoors.
I, I first, I have a questionbefore we dive even.
Have you hunted back in Italy?

(06:33):
He said that's where you have.
What's it like hunting here inthe States to Italy?
Oh, it's, I mean it's all payto play out there.
I, I got to hunt for one daywith a friend who had like what they
call Maggie turismos.
They're like, it's kind oflike a bed and breakfast sort of,
but on like a farm, you know,everything, everything for that you're

(06:54):
going to eat.
Everything that you're goingto do has something to do with the
farmland.
And I got to go hunt pigs,feral hogs.
They call them chignale.
They're like, like a Eurasian boar.
Yeah.
Tusks, big, hairy.
That's what they makeprosciutto out of.
And yeah, yeah.
Awesome Italian salami typeyells at the good meat.

(07:17):
Yeah.
One of my favorites.
So I'm on the, the website forHollow for Wildlife and I just want
to read off this.
On the main page here, it sayswelcome to how to Hollow for Wildlife.
North America's wildlife andfisheries are constantly under threat.
These threats are often basedon misguided emotions.

(07:38):
Anthropomorph.
Anthropomorphosis.
There we go.
So that's that, that word thatyou're trying to pronounce.
I always stumble on it.
My.
Yeah.
And basically it's like theteddy bear.
Okay.
Or when you see something onDisney where you, where lions talk

(07:58):
and they have personalitiesand human.
You, you're adding humancharacteristics to an animal that's
gotcha.
Misunderstandings and lack ofscientific evidence.
We aim to protect all wildlifefrom what could be their destruction
if management practices are removed.
However, we cannot achieve ourgoals without the pack coming together

(08:20):
as one to howl for wildlife.
How for Wildlife works for theconservation and management of fisheries
and wildlife through itsscience Based data with action and
engagement actions arepowerful, efficient tools for the
public to utilize.
Join the pack, take action.
Make an impact.
Hollow for wildlife.
So what, how did this come about?

(08:42):
When did you guys create it?
Like, why?
Kind of start off from the bait.
The grass.
Yeah.
I'll give you the, theabridged origin story.
Charles and I, but we're, youknow, we're hunting buddies like
we where he's probably my bestfriend in the hunting community.
I'd have to think really hardif there is anybody else.

(09:04):
And we hunt a lot together.
And I guess I don't rememberone exactly what it was, but one
morning he calls me up andhe's like, hey, they're trying to.
They got a bill here inCalifornia because he lives in Cali,
I live in Arizona.
They're trying to get rid ofbear hunting.
They're trying to ban bearhunting here.

(09:24):
And this Senator Wiener of allnames, he was sponsoring the bill
and he's like, what can we do?
You know, what can we do to.
Let's beat this.
How are we going to do this?
What are we going to do?
I don't want to lose bearhunting here.
He loves the bear hunt and youknow, it actually kind of started

(09:45):
before that with him and with the.
We had different ideas, we'redoing different things, but this
was like the catalyst thatkind of launched into what became
Alpha Wildlife.
So I'm like, let's use, youknow, change.org and we.
I know a bunch of people.
I mean, I've been a podcastersince 2004.

(10:08):
I, I know a crap ton of peoplein the industry.
I, I own the Honey Channel online.
We didn't talk about that inmy bio, but had a TV show, written,
books, all that stuff.
So very well connected.
That sounded very douchebaggyof me, but no, you know, I'm.
I knew a lot of people and heknows a lot of people.
He's been doing this for along time.

(10:29):
He's got a great YouTubefollowing and so on and so forth.
So, you know, we both have thepublic eye and connections.
So he whipped up and it was inthe way that he wrote the change.org
petition, which was brilliant.
It was all about saving wildlife.

(10:53):
So not only hunters that gotinvolved in it, non hunters and even
anti hunters actually at thetime got involved in it and helped
us push it forward.
So in a matter of like fivedays, I don't remember the exact
numbers, but it was like22,000, something like that.
People signed on that petitionand something like $18,000 was donated.

(11:14):
Now when you donate usingChange.org, you're not really donating.
Change.org is a for profit,excuse me, entity.
And all you're doing is payingfor it to get to higher levels, you
know, to, to see more people,to open the doors with the floodgates
a little bit more, which is good.
So like we, we needed that$18,000, but it go to Charles or

(11:36):
I just clarification on that.
But in five days, SenatorWiener's like, oh my God, I gotta
back away from this.
And the other part of what hedid was he made the petition emails
go directly to Senator Weinerand the people, the proponents of
that bill.

(11:57):
Right.
So when they backed away andthey dropped it, they were like,
whoa, there's.
There's way too many people that.
Or I, I thought I was going tobe popular by putting this.
You know, that's how politics works.
They want to be popular.
They want to, they want theirconstituency to keep on keeping them
in office.
And the way they do that is bykeeping people happy.
So, you know, if, if theirconstituency is saying, no, no, no,

(12:20):
we don't want this, thenthat's what they're going to do nine
times out of 10, unless theygot some kind of, you know, political
agenda, which happens.
So that dropped.
And then we tried it again ona bill in, I think it was Montana.
I don't know why I can'tremember this, but it was Montana.
And I think it was on hounds.
And we were able to win that.

(12:42):
And I was like, well, man,there's something really powerful
about this.
We need to start a change.orgbasically for hunters and anglers.
Like, this is what we need.
We need something like thiswhere the money's going to go directly
back into funding for this.
And it's.
We're going to speak directly.
It's going to be all aboutscience based wildlife management.

(13:03):
So we went down this road.
I actually went down a road oftrying to build it.
I kind of failed.
And that's when Covid hit andCharles kind of picked up the, I
guess the, the reins on thatand, and he built it into what it
is today.
Like, he really, he did put alot of work and a lot of time and
effort into getting it to runand operate the way it is.

(13:27):
And that's all she wrote.
The rest is history.
That's pretty interesting.
That is awesome, man.
One thing I forgot how Iphrase this question here.
Let me ask this.
What would you say is yourbiggest, in your mind, your Biggest
achievement through starting this.

(13:47):
And what would be your biggest downfall?
Like one that you're like,damn it, I can't believe we lost
it.
Or specific, we call them actions.
If you're talking about aspecific action.
Probably the biggest win was,was last year.
Sure if you gentlemen heardabout it or not, but there was Prop
127 in Colorado.

(14:10):
Oh, the mountain lion.
Yeah.
And they were trying to getrid of mountain lion.
So that was a state levelissue and how for wildlife did what
we do best and we turned thatstate level issue into a national
issue.
So if you heard about it,chances are you heard about it because
we did something.
We had a hand in getting it toyou and we partnered with CRWM and

(14:32):
Dan Gates and Dan Gates is,you know, super knowledgeable guy,
very attached to the, to theissue at hand, very charismatic guy.
So it was really easy and wellspoken, much more well spoken than
I am and put him in front of alot of people.
And you know, we kind of actedlike cheerleaders in a lot of ways.
You know, for that we got, andwe got that, that ball rolling and

(14:54):
we were able not only to win,but we won by almost 11 points, which
is like unheard of.
You know, conversely, a lot ofpeople kind of try to compare it
to the wolf reintroductionbill that happened there the previous
and we weren't around.
That was four years earlier to that.

(15:14):
They lost that by less than 1%and had how I feel like had we been
around that wouldn't have happened.
We wouldn't have be having areintroduction of wolves in Colorado.
So from a, from an actionstandpoint, that was, I think that
was our, I don't know if itwas necessarily our biggest win,
but I think it was our mostnotable, you know, in the same year.

(15:37):
Let's put it this way, likeFlorida, we got a right to hunt and
fish going on there.
You know, we partnered againwith, with Travis Thompson which
was down there and hisorganization and so on and so forth
and we turned that intonational issue and then we were able
to push the needle on that.
You know, that in itself wasgreat, but it was kind of overshadowed
by the fact that we had this,this thing going on as far as losses

(16:00):
are concerned.
I don't know, I'm like, I'mlike a good quarterback man.
I navigate it perfectly.
Forget the interception, Ijust throw them over, move on to
the next one.
You know, I love that, I lovethat answer.
I can't, I can't tell you whatmy biggest Loss was.
I, I think you know it from.
And I'm going to talk aboutthis being like a company, you know,

(16:21):
from a company standpoint,even though we're a non profit, I
guess I could say organization.
I, I think one of our biggestfailures is, is not, not speaking
to the public enough in theway to get them to understand how

(16:41):
we're all in this together.
How everybody on this podcastand everybody listening in is all
interconnected.
I think that's one of thethings that I, me personally, my,
my personal mission has beendoing that and it's, it's part of
one of the hats that I kind ofwear in, in half a wildlife is.
I'm, I trying to connect allof us.

(17:02):
You know, we got, like yousaid, you got Sasquatch over here
and he's in New York.
And, and you know, what didyou see from St.
Paul area?
We're in Michigan.
Yeah.
Dave, Dave up front top.
Okay.
And then John, the other John,us three are from Michigan.
Watch the this.
The Yeti captain is from New York.

(17:23):
Got it, got it, got it.
So my whole point is tobringing that up is like, and, and
I've been trying to connectthe dots for people.
Like why does it, why does aguy in New York give a crap about
a guy in Arizona?
Like a guy that huntswhitetail in New York, why does he
care about a guy that hunts, Idon't know, mountain lions in Arizona?
Like, it's not, it's not his shtick.

(17:45):
He doesn't do that.
Like he's probably never goingto go to Arizona to hunt.
And you know, it's like if youfeel bad for him, but that's not
what you do, so you don't get involved.
And we see that so much.
There's so much, what's theword I'm looking for?
Like apathy, I guess, you know.
Yeah, people don't really careso much.

(18:07):
It's not that they don't care.
They care.
Like you feel bad for me, right?
You feel bad for me losingthis in Arizona.
But it's not directlycorrelated to your setup personally.
Like, damn, that sucks, right?
Yeah, sucks for you, dude.
But you know, I got my ownissues I gotta get, you know.
Right.
The reality of it is.

(18:27):
And you know, I'll do someconnecting of the dots for you.
It does, it does ultimatelyaffect you guys.
Doesn't matter where you're from.
Exactly.
If you, if you look at the bigpicture there we, we call the, the
conservation table.
Okay.

(18:48):
There's seats at theconservation table.
There's all the stakeholders,and hunting and fishing occupy the
largest voice, not the largestgroup, but the largest voice at the
conservation table.
And the reason why we're thelargest voice is because we have
a pay to play system.

(19:09):
You know, we think aboutpublic land hunting and hunting the
way we have it as not beingpay to play.
But think about it.
You buy a license, thatlicense goes back into the system.
You, you know, you buy goods,it gets back through Pittman, Robertson,
sometimes depending on thegoods, whatever, but it's, it's all
interconnected.

(19:29):
So we facilitate a lot of thefunding that comes in or we create
a lot of the funding thatcomes in for other people who don't
pay to do things, like themountain bikers.
You could still go down atrail and I'll use Colorado right
now because that came to my head.
But you can still go down atrail, mountain bike in Colorado

(19:52):
without paying a dollarbecause those funds came from hunting
and fishing.
Same thing up here.
Same thing up here in New York.
We get it all the time.
I always say not, not to cutyou off.
I apologize.
Yeah, sure.
Like I was.
I just wanted to hit this onthe head because you got people that
ride bicycles, they're on theroads, they're causing a hazard,
but they're not insured, theydon't have a license.

(20:14):
Meanwhile, anything else thatyou put on the road needs a license,
insurance, registration.
Sure.
And it's the same thing withpeople riding the rail trails, riding
these, these, you know.
But why?
Because they all sticktogether, they cry and they get what
they want.
Where as hunters, we need tostep up and stick together and have
that brotherhood and show upto these meetings and everything

(20:37):
else like you were getting to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, and I gotta, I gottavery remember that point because
I gotta talk to you guys aboutthat specifically.
That's one of the things thatwe've done really well and I would
love to see go get even bigger.
But so where, you know, weoccupy this voice.
So let's say I lose.
We, Lou.
I lose mountain lion huntinghere in Arizona right now.

(21:01):
The several thousand peoplethat only mountain lion hunt here
in Arizona no longer hunt.
Right.
So you physically lost us atthat table.
So you lost my voice, you lostmy funding.
So again, the voice is diminished.
And now let's say, you know, Idon't, I don't have a need for my

(21:23):
rifle and my ammo anymorebecause I only use it for hunting.
I don't target shoot.
I don't.
You know, me and paper werefriends we don't shoot at each other.
And you know, so now PittmanRobertson goes down.
Let's say in Pittman Robertson.
And we give you arbitrary numbers.
Let's say it's $1 billion.
And because you lost mountainlion hunting in Arizona, now it's,

(21:44):
you know, 900, you know,million or whatever.
And sorry, those numbersprobably don't equate.
But now if you know how Pimand Robinson works, there's, It's
a big pie.
If, if the pie was a billiondollars and now that pie got shrunk
to 900.

(22:04):
Now the piece of the pie thatjust got cut from Michigan and New
York just got smaller.
Right.
So it directly affected you.
It's a direct effect on you.
Like it.
Okay.
And then, you know, if thatdoesn't hit home, like it sets precedence.
Okay.
Now I know mountain lionhunting in New York's not a big thing,
although it might be happeningpretty soon in Michigan.

(22:27):
I know, I know you guys quitea few lines over there.
But you know, you know, it'slike eventually the things that you
lose start ending up at yourfront door.
And then, you know, if youthink about it too, like they're
always going for the lowhanging fruit.
Once the low hanging fruit'sgone, they got to go to the next
level.
Then it becomes, you know, thewhitetail and Michigan turkey and,

(22:53):
you know, whatever.
So like it directly affects you.
We're all in this together andpeople need to understand that.
Yeah.
It's a door for one thing togo out for that.
It just opens up for everything.
Sure.
Well, it's like the dominoeffect type deal.
Yeah.
Once one thing starts, likejust use a pie, for example, you,

(23:13):
one thing falls away and itjust keeps chipping away more and
more and more and more.
And next thing you know, likeall everything's gone, all the rights
are gone.
Just everything's just.
I mean, the fact, I don't knowexactly the states, but I know, and
I don't remember exactly whatyear it started, but I know, for
instance, I don't believe inthe fact that states can dictate

(23:35):
what's what, days of the weekyou can hunt.
I think that is wrong, in my opinion.
I understand one side of this.
I understand both sides of the coin.
Yes.
Like you can't hunt on Sundaysbecause for certain reasons, I don't
know.
But those are old blue laws,they call them.
Or in my opinion, because of.

(23:58):
Generally because of religion.
Yep.
More than anything.
And there's not that manystates that still have that.
We actually just Won.
Not a couple.
Like a year and a half ago, wewon something.
We got Sunday hunting andmaybe Virginia.
I don't remember exactly whereit was, but we.
We work on stuff like that allthe time.
If it pops up, if they thinkthat they could win, you know, we.

(24:20):
We've added turkey season,matter of fact, in Long island, like,
you know, there's.
There's stuff.
Turkey season eligible in Long Island.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
There wasn't spring.
Spring season.
There was only fall turkey.
Now there's spring season, too.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, there's a ton of birds there.
I was there last year.

(24:40):
There's a lot.
I know a lot of guys that hunt turkey.
A whole lot of ticks, though.
Yeah.
But those gobblers don't shut up.
Over there.
There.
That's a pretty good place to go.
Honey.
Yeah.
What was this?
I just had the question.
Damn it.
I had a question for you now,John, and I just lost it.
Damn it.
That's all right.

(25:00):
I'm sorry.
I kind of tend to ramble onand go off on tangents.
No, it was a good one, too.
Son of a.
You had your one good one andyou forgot it.
I know.
It was a really good one, too,and I'm trying to remember it.
Yeah.
If you mix green and redcrayons, what color do you get?
I don't know.
They all made a brown turd.

(25:20):
Wait a minute.
Up.
Shut the.
Up.
I remember now.
Oh, here we go.
What?
Damn it.
No, you didn't.
You didn't remember.
What is.
What is a situation out there,like prisons, the one out there in
Colorado?
Is there a situation out therethat more hunters should be known,
like, be more aware of andthat we, Everyone should be kind

(25:43):
of like, quote unquote,dipping their toes in or reading
more about.
Is there some type ofsituation out there, like, in general
that everyone should know about?
Is there a situation out therewhere, if this happens, it's going
to lead to a bigger problemlater down the road?
Seems like you.
You're going to have your feetmore in it compared to what we do.
I mean, I.

(26:04):
I read articles through theUnited States Fish and Wildlife,
but I.
I'm only getting stuff like that.
It seems like you kind of gotyour door, your feet in a lot more.
I mean, we do for sure.
So, I mean, the first thingI'm going to tell everybody is this.
Listen, it's a moving target.
It's constantly somethingelse, you know, and it's always something
else.
Like, to be honest with you,they they try something, it doesn't

(26:25):
work.
They try.
For another thing, it doesn't work.
They try this, it works.
So they're.
We're constantly.
And that's why we're always onthe defense.
There is right now a publiclands deal that I think everybody
should kind of be involved in.
And you know, I, I think if itpasses and it goes the wrong way,

(26:47):
it's going to set a very badprecedence for, for things to go
south continually, you know,and it might, it might, it might
really set a really ugly stagefor a lot of the public land hunting
to go away, period.
There is on May 6, theyintroduced like 1133 or something

(27:13):
like midnight, something like that.
I don't remember exactly someamendment to a reconciliation bill.
And this is what they do.
This is what politicians do.
They'll try to sneak somethingin on these giant ass bills that
nobody, so nobody will payattention to it and hopefully it'll
get it passed.
But like they'll slip it in atthe last second type.

(27:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So this big thing, and it'spretty like specific nefarious deal
here because it was somethingthat was kind of leaked out back
in, I think, January orFebruary, something like that.
And the proponents of the billwere all like, no, no, no, no, we're

(27:55):
not going to do that.
And everything that they didbecause, because the hunting community
made a kind of a big stinkabout it and then it, like it went
away and it didn't look likethey were going to.
It was going to be part ofthis deal or not.
And then out of nowhere, boom.
Like I said, midnight, thereit was and there's a lot of moving

(28:17):
parts to it.
But the biggest things arethat they're going to sell off, quote,
unquote, underutilized lands,public lands, 500,000 acres in Utah
and, and sorry, Nevada.

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And you know, I'm not againstselling off or transferring public
lands if it makes sense.
And there's a process.
But the thing about this, thebiggest thing about this amendment
is that it foregoes the process.
And it's really, it's, it's,it's kind of, it's illegal, to be

(28:59):
honest with you.
There's a, an act calledFlipma and it's, and I can't remember
what that stands for exactlyoff the top of my head.
I don't know.
My brain's not workingproperly here this evening.
But FLITMA basically spellsout how if the government wanted
to transfer public lands orsell off public lands, it spells

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out what needs to be Done.
And part of that process ispublic comment.
So there is no public commenton this at all.
You're selling off publiclands, you're selling off the beneficiaries
lands without getting their input.
That's number one.
Number two, normally in thisprocess, so if I sell off this acreage,

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whatever money comes out ofthat acreage is supposed to go back,
be an infusion back intopublic lands somehow.
So you perform either to buyother lands or improve on the lands
that we have.
So this doesn't happen.
That money that they're goingto sell off this land goes directly

(30:05):
into the, the general fund.
So that in itself is like,it's, in my opinion, you know, they're
saying, I, I don't knowexactly, but they're saying there's
like something like $18.5billion that this money is going
to, or this land is going to generate.

(30:28):
But in my opinion, and I'm nota economist in any way, shape or
form, but just simple cowboymath, it doesn't really equate to
me, you know, because you'regoing to sell off this land and then
you have no other means, noother way of making money off that

(30:50):
land after it's sold.
And 18.5 billion sounds like alot of money, but really it's a drop
in the bucket when it comes tothe trillions and trillions of dollars
that we're in debt, you know,on a national level.
Right.
So but if you look, you lookat it from the long terms, there's

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you know, mineral, mineralroyalties, there's the recreation,
you know, revenue that comesout of it.
And just so you, this is, thisis an interesting number.
I think it's like almost atrillion dollars a year that is connected
to outdoor recreation onpublic lands in the United States.

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So I don't know if you toldme, even if I was only making, let's
say a billion dollars off thisland is 500,000 acres.
Right.
And it take me 18 years tomake that.
I would still rather have thatin perpetuity than be one and done.
And now I don't have it anymore.
Yeah, the other really shittypart about it is that they're, they're

(31:57):
kind of like selling itunderneath the guise of having more
affordable public housing.
Listen, if you follow themoney, if you look at like developers
and stuff that are kind oflooking at this, there's, there's
not gonna be any affordable housing.
This is housing that is,that's going to be on the outskirts
of Las Vegas.

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Those are going to be milliondollar Homes, Those aren't going
to be freaking affordable housing.
You know, who's gonna,there's, there's no affordable housing
in that.
And like I, I don't know.
Again, like, I'm not against selling.
You got to track the land.
You got 300 acres that'ssitting in the middle of a city.
Yeah, go ahead and sell that off.
It's not suitable habitat tosupport wildlife, doesn't have water

(32:44):
on it, whatever.
You know, those make sense to me.
I'm like, I'm not an antipublic land guy.
I, I, I take showers.
I'm not a, you know, granola bar.
I don't have, I have ideasthat we need, you know, we need to
sell off land at times or weneed to transfer land at times and

(33:04):
pick up other lands that makemore sense.
Yeah, I'm all about that.
I'm also about drilling.
You know, I'm not a, I'm notagainst 100, against drilling.
We're getting, we're, we're anation that keeps on growing and
we need to come up with waysto, you know, to support our, our
insatiable consummation.
You know, the, the con, theconsumers here are just like, you

(33:27):
know, all we do is consume andconsume and consume and I don't,
I don't see that changing.
So we have to come up withways to, to utilize things, but we
have to do it smart and wehave to do it in a way that's going
to preserve this way of lifethat we love, you know, what we do,
but also to propagate wildlifeand keep ecosystems intact and so

(33:52):
on and so forth.
So you know, there's, there'sweight, I think.
Had the proponents of thisbill gotten a more well rounded input
from and then followed whatthey're supposed to do from the comments,
you know, public comment, if,if they would have gotten that, we

(34:12):
probably could have found ana, a win, win for everybody.
But right now as it stands, itdoesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't equate
and it's a, it's like a, aborrowing for Peter to pay Paul situation
economically.
And I think it, it just, it'sgoing to take away too much.

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But, but the biggest thing,the biggest fear for me is that if
they get away with whatthey're doing, they're going to keep
on doing that because there'speople that just don't care about
public lands or recreating outthere that will easily sell that
off to have their condo on the water.
You know what I'm saying.

(34:54):
So it just seems like more andmore, though, like little pieces
of land are being like kind ofchipped away.
Oh yeah.
Here and here.
And it's just.
Well, they did it here withthose solar panels.
Yeah.
And I'm not saying like, like,like John was saying, like, I'm okay
with like middle of downtownand there's 20 acres with just an

(35:17):
open lot sold away.
And let's use it for good,good reasons, but to.
Yeah, they, they.
What they do up in Gaylord.
Is it Gaylord where they did that?
I think so.
It was like 2,000 acres ofpublic hunting land.
They turned it, they're.
They sold it and turned itinto solar panel farm.
I knew I, I know what's up inthat region.

(35:37):
Yes.
Yeah, I, I did hear about that.
You know, speaking about likerenewables, that's like renewable
energy and stuff like that.
Again, not something that I'magainst, but, you know, I'm not about
cutting off my nose to spitemy face either.
I, I though.
I feel like those things, ifyou're gonna put solar panels, put

(35:58):
them on top of rooftops, ontop of buildings inside a city already.
Like, why are we taking awaypublic land to have a solar farm
when you can have a, you know,equal, equally good, if not better
system on top of what'salready, you know, developed.
And they're not even sustainable.
They degrade after 5 years anyways.

(36:20):
After 10 years you have toreplace them.
Yeah, I don't, I don't knowthe, the ins and outs of like, how
long they last and so on andso forth, but I know once they are
done, they have a very hardtime getting rid of them.
And that's like.
Yeah.
And I was poisonous and I knowlike, you know, lithium and, you
know.
All these, it's got all thesetoxic metals in it.

(36:42):
Yeah.
All the bars and all thisstuff like that.
That's not, it's not theanswer, you know, it's like.
Well, I know here in Michigannow how true this is.
It was just commercials that Iwas seeing.
If you had so and so that theywould come and put solar panels on
your house for free.
Yeah.
And I think I'm all abouttrying to live off the land as best

(37:03):
you can.
And that's why as we ashunters, that's what we hunt.
That's why we fish.
We want to live off the land,stuff like that.
Sure.
But we already have thesestructures in place where it's like.
And like you said, what's thepoint of taking all this land, build
this giant farm to be moregreen, if you want to use that term

(37:26):
right, use what's already inplace and stop chipping away.
I think when people look athunting and they look at fishing
and they look at the outdoors,they don't see the environmental
impact that it has on everyone.
I have what I'm in my mind, Ihave one thing and I'm trying to

(37:46):
verbat it through, but they,in my mind that most people, they
just see it and they justdon't give a shit.
They just look at it and theysee dollar signs.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that.
But I think our biggestproblem is.
So this is actually a goodsegue for me to talk about this.
There's, there's 5% peoplethat hunt.

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There's 5% people who are antihunting, quote unquote.
And there's 90% in the middle.
So that 90% in the middle isthe, is the biggest power, voting
power.
Right?
They have, they hold most ofthe cards.
So there's.
For longer than all of us havebeen alive.

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They've been.
And I say they, the antihunters have propagated their messaging.
They've infiltrated, you know,the Bambi's and the, and that's where
that antipathy morphicizedstuff comes like, you know, from
Disney and so on and so forth.
Where they, they create apicture that is not necessarily represented,

(38:55):
represented in the hunting community.
They paint us up this liketoothless hillbilly willy nilly out
there shooting, lopping offheads, you know, drinking beers and
just run around shooting outof the back of pickup trucks that
we're this evil, bloodthirsty,you know, guy out there that has

(39:15):
no, no love for wildlife andwhat we do.
So I think it's superimportant for us to actually start
portraying the good side about hunting.
What actually hunting andfishing means.
Like, I don't mean just the,the, what do you call it, the financial

(39:39):
side of it.
Like we can't hang our hat on,we can't just go up to everybody
and then say like, well you dothis because we pay for this.
You know, you, you can't stopa mountain biker and say you have
access to this because of us.
You know, it doesn't.
But if you show them thecamaraderie, you show them the meals
that you make, the family,the, the, you know, the, the human

(40:03):
connection, the humanintrinsic values that are associated
with what we do and how ithelps wildlife and how we propagate
ecosystems and so on and so forth.
Now they start thinking about,okay, well, what I saw the other
day about hunter going outthere and lopping off ahead and just

(40:25):
taking the trophy, the trophywith them.
That's my air quotes.
The, you know, that, thatstarts fading, that starts going
away, and they start lookingbehind the curtain.
You know, you know how thingsare today, especially today.
Today's day and age.
You know, we have, we havevines that are seven seconds.
Like, if, if something thatdoesn't catch our attention in the

(40:47):
first, like, couple seconds,you know, when and how do you do
that in the hunting world?
Like, how do you, how do youtalk about conservation?
How do you talk about humanintrinsic value?
How do you talk aboutcamaraderie, meals and all that stuff
in a, in a quick format thatcatches somebody's interest?

(41:09):
You don't.
But if you put up a, a memewith some guy with a grip and grin
and say, this guy killedBambi, it's, it's gonna catch, like,
wildfire.
So we need to have a littlebit more nuance.
We need to be better ourselvesand educate ourselves.
Like, I'm not a super educated person.

(41:30):
I mean, I, I, I, I, Idefinitely don't have a Ph.D.
you know.
Well, it's kind of like.
But you, you got to spend sometime and educate yourself on these
things so you can haveconversations with people.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Brett.
No, I didn't mean to cut you off.
I'm sorry.
There's a glitch.
It's kind of like.

(41:51):
So I, I have the right to sayit because I worked in law enforcement,
unlike these two.
Army.
No, you're welcome.
For your freedom, Brett.
Yeah, I protect you.
Yeah.
I got shot in the neck.
I don't know what I got to say.
I slipped on a donut.

(42:11):
That's right.
You choked on it.
Let me say my point.
Stop being honest.
No.
So in law enforcement, youalways see it on the news, and one
bad thing, and it gets blowneverywhere out proportion.
Sure.
It's.
You see this one little thing,and it paints cops as a fat picture,

(42:35):
whether.
I'm not going to get intodetails of anything about an actual
video, but you see one badlittle thing, and you paint all cops
bad.
It's like you just saw onelittle glimpse of one little action,
and you didn't see, like, thebigger picture or anything else behind
it.
Right.
You see people out theretaking bad photos with deer or they're

(42:57):
chopping heads off of deers.
And for instance, for me, theone thing I hated the most was seeing
the memes out there wherepeople were I think it was like two
years ago, two, three yearsago where people were on the ground
with their deer and they'retaking selfies and there's videos
out there where they're takingtheir deer to, oh look where we first

(43:17):
met and stuff like that.
People see that and you'repainting a bad picture.
Like you said, Joe, I meanthat in my opinion.
I, I hate, I don't want to usethe word hate, but I strongly dislike
that.
I don't believe in that.
Are definitely our own worst enemy.
Exactly.
The majority of the content,and now mind you, a lot of it's taken

(43:38):
out of context, but we createa lot of the content that is used
by the other side as a weapontowards what we do.
That's why there's a lot ofpeople like, oh, don't take any more
pictures of grip and grins.
Don't do any of this.
Don't do any, I'm not of that camp.
You know, in my opinion, we'vebeen, we've been painted on caves

(44:01):
about our hunting successsince millennia, right?
And I, I, I think theinstagrams and so on and so forth
are our caves.
Before that, when we werekids, you know, in the 80s, we used
to take the deer into the,the, the city center or the town
center, the coffee shop, whatever.

(44:22):
The deer would be layingacross the hood of the, of the car,
whatever, you know, we sharedour, our stories and we, we talked
to people and this, we wereproud that we were able to take this,
you know, So I think that thatstuff needs to stay intact.
We just need to be mindfulthat there's always somebody watching.
I get, I don't know if youheard about this.

(44:42):
Last year there was a guy inCraig, Wyoming that ran over a wolf
with his snowmobile and then,oh, took the injured wolf, taped
its mouth shut, took it andparaded it around the local bar,

(45:03):
took pictures with it, kissingit on the mouth and doing all kinds
of rotten, rotten that nobody else.
No, no, most, the majority,the vast majority of hunters would
find it repulsive.
Did all this stuff.
Of course he put it on social media.
Now this dum dum became theposter child for every anti hunting.

(45:29):
See, this is what we have to save.
We have to save wildlife fromthe guys like this.
This is why we're doing whatwe're doing.
Because the hunters, they'relike this guy.
So everybody out there,whether you hunt deer with a trad
bow or you know, have theutmost respect, do whatever, you

(45:50):
know, whatever.
Think about the mostrespectful possible way you can hunt.
Whether you're that guy ornot, you're still going to be associated
with this clown and Craig thatdid this thing.
And you know, so my point isthere's always somebody watching

(46:10):
and we're the idiots that keepputting stuff up there.
So if you're going to putsomething up there, if you're going
to put something out in socialmedia and in the interwebs, you're
going to have to think aboutwhat it is that you're doing and
you want to be able to sharewith your following, share with the

(46:33):
people that will see thatbecause event first, it's going to
start off in your, in yoursocial networks, right?
And then eventually it keepsgoing and keeps going and it'll get
out there.
You want to be able to share.
Okay.
Yes.
Oh, I, I shot this beautifuldeer, right?
And then the next picture youput up this, this is a meal that
I made.
This is me enjoying being outthere with my son.

(46:56):
This is, you know, and tellthe stories, tell the stories.
You know, it's not going tostop people from taking things out
of context because you'renever going to be able to be able
to, you're never going to beable to do that.
Especially now with AIunfortunately, you're going to be
able to do a lot of, a lotmore than, than not.

(47:17):
Right?
Really, I'm, I'm fearful of,for my son and my, my, my daughters
and that generation, what AIis going to do.
Hopefully I'll be long gonebefore Terminator actually comes
on.
But you know, your best, ifyou're gonna put stuff up, your best

(47:38):
option is to always put thestory in the comments.
Share their human intrinsicvalues that you have.
Try to take quality picturesthat are tasteful.
Can't always be this justgripping grid, blood hagging out
of the mouth, tongue thisthat, you know, be a little bit more
mindful.
I'm not saying don't do it,but be more mindful about how you

(48:00):
do it.
Because I'm hey at a TV show,podcast, magazines, written on pictures
and being in that life andbeing, putting, promoting hunting
has been my life since, like Isaid, 2001, has been promoting huntings.
And how do you promote hunting?
By promoting things about hunting.

(48:20):
Two hunters.
And you have this view thatonly hunters are going to see what
you're putting up there.
But the reality of it is thatis not true.
You know, and then the otherside of it is if you see somebody
putting up somethingdistasteful, don't, don't comment,

(48:41):
don't Go at them publicly,send them a dm.
Hey man, I think you shouldthink about what you just put up
there.
You're hurting hunting.
You're not helping it by doing this.
And yada yada yada.
He said they, you know, he,she's gonna either tell you to go
f yourself or they're going tolisten and they're going to take
it down.
You know, I had, I've toldthis story several times.

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I had a guy several years agothat he was wearing all camouflage,
he was on a quad and he runsthis hog over.
The hog gets up and chargeshim, runs it over again, goes back
and forth three, four timeswhere the hog gets up after he runs
it over.

(49:22):
And I, I sent them a messageand he basically told me to F off.
You know, off.
Excuse my French.
But, but the thing thatpropelled it, I looked through the
original like first hundredcomments were from hunters that were

(49:42):
like you're a, why are youdoing this?
But because that's the way thealgorithms work.
You put comments up there,whether they, even though they were
negative and you werecondemning this person for doing
stupid stuff, it kept pushingthat, that content further and further
along.

(50:03):
And the further and furtheralong it went, then it started opening
it up to the anti hunters andpeople that were non hunting and
they would see this thing andnow they got this visual.
They're not reading thecomments, they're not reading the
caption, they're not reading,you know, and they're just looking
at the video and commentingthemselves on it.
Now it just gets, and that'show it goes viral.
And so, you know, that's whyit's important.

(50:26):
You know, you got to thinkthere's always somebody watching,
there's always somebodylooking do something.
I, I agree with you.
100 and I just did a video ofa really nice turkey hunt with broadside
ambush Frank.
And it happened so quick.
We got a lot of footage of thecalling the birds coming in and going
away and this and that.

(50:46):
But I wasn't going to like,you know, I was thinking maybe I
shouldn't publish it because Ididn't get the actual kill shot on.
I turned the camera on and thebird just flopping around on its
last nerves after I hit itwith the mag and, and I said no,
you know, I'm going to makethis video because it's not about
killing the bird.

(51:06):
It's not about, you know,making a good shot.
It's the time I spent with abrother out hunting and just watch
that video.
It's really Cool.
Because I did it with anInsta360 camera.
It's the first time I reallymade a video with it.
So parts of it are a littlesketchy and rough here and there

(51:28):
when I tried to edit a lot ofit out.
But what I learned in theediting program was I have a cameraman
inside of that editor, so Ican actually pan to us in the blind
right after I made the shot,and you see our reaction.
Just like there was acameraman just said, oh, let me get
these guys on film.
And I mean, I'm literallylike, pumped, shaking.

(51:49):
Like just, you know, we'rehugging each other and, you know,
hey, man, I love you.
Thanks for giving me theopportunity to come up here.
If that doesn't set theprecedent of being a respectful,
loving, caring person as ahunter, there's something wrong with
people out there.
And you're not going to havepeople that agree with this a hundred

(52:10):
percent, but I could give acrap less.
I am so happy.
I was so proud of that moment,you know, getting to share that with
people and, and putting that,that moment out there.
Because there's guys out therethat never hunt with anybody.
They don't know what it's liketo experience the, the.
The.
The harvesting of that animal.
And it's, you know, I didn'trun out in a blind and go like, jump

(52:33):
on it.
Like these morons do.
Half of them.
I mean, the bird was expiredright away.
I.
I made a great shot on them.
We walk over to it, I explainthe situation, and I thank God every
time I kill something or I getthe opportunity to be out in the
woods.
I put God first.
And if that doesn't set aprecedent to people out there, how

(52:55):
respectful I give.
I give.
Dear Last rates.
I got Indian, American, Indianblood in me.
You'll never see anybody dowhat I do out there, Okay?
I have the most respect for animals.
When I was a kid, it was different.
I was a killer.
I was a killer.
But as I got older, it wasmore about the time spent, how you're

(53:15):
doing it and enjoying thefruits of your benefits of what you
got.
And let me tell you something,you talk about, cook your meal, I'm
on there.
We got a.
We got a good bunch of peoplethat represent us, and flavors of
the forest is one of them.
And I try to use his productsand everything.
I cook with my wild game, andI put that out there for people to
see that, yes, I am enjoyingthe bounty of what I killed.

(53:38):
And I shared it with my brother.
And we Had a great time.
And you know what?
People need to experiencethat, especially in the hunting community.
If they don't, they're shortchanging themselves.
Yeah, exactly.
No, that's, that's awesome.
Like, and you got to have that perspective.
Like I said, everybody'salways watching.
And unfortunately, there is alarge sector of the hunting community

(54:01):
that's gonna find your videonot as cool because it doesn't have
a kill shot in it.
And, you know, I, I personallyhave tried to get away from the kill
shot thing.
I think, you know, the lastseveral years I haven't, you know,
you know, it happens, but youdon't actually, you know, and I think

(54:22):
that's, that's something weneed to do because there's people.
You, you wanna, you're not catering.
See a lot of people in thehunting industry, like, oh, you're
placating to the snowflakes,you know, but no, what you're doing
is you're talking to thatmiddle ground.

(54:42):
You're saying, this is whathunting is and I would like you to
try it at some point.
Not because I want to convertyou into a hunter, and I'm not saying
we need more hunters in, inthe world, but I want you to have
an understanding of what I doand how I do it.
I want you to know what goesinto it.
I want you to know that when Igo bow hunting for elk, that I am

(55:05):
hiking seven, eight miles a day.
I am covering, you know,several thousand feet in elevation.
I am busting my butt.
I want you to know thatthere's only a 9% success rate.
I want you to know the monthsof time and practice I put into it
in the days in the gym andthis and the one, so on and so forth.

(55:25):
And the only way you can dothat is to put that information out
there and put it in a waythat's digestible by these people,
that you can understand it.
You know, if you're just outthere like, I just whacked this thing
and I just use this as thebest thing since I bread and blah,
blah, blah, blah.
You're never going to connectwith that middle ground.
And we're always going to bejust talking, you know, preaching

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to the choir, talking toourselves and, you know, hey, we
all know, we all know thatdeath is going to happen, right?
We'll know that that's a partof hunting.
We don't have to celebrate the death.
The death is a small second inthe whole culmination of the hunt.

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What you need to do is shareeverything else that happened leading
up to that death andeverything else that happens after
that death.
Because those are all thethings that really matter.
I mean, 8 out of 10 huntersyou speak to are going to tell you
that they're more about theexperience of the hunt than the actual

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kill.
Now, you know, for fear ofsounding like a D bag again, I'm
a pretty successful hunter.
I've had my fair share ofanimals, you know.
Yeah.
But even I will tell you,like, I'm an adventure hunter.
I'm all about the adventure of it.
I'm about the experience of it.
I'm about, you know, what goesinto it, the whole kitten caboodle.

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I mean, I'd be lying to you ifI told you I wouldn't want to kill
something and take something home.
I want.
You know, everybody wants abig set of antlers on the wall, like
in our space.
Right.
But that's not the reason.
That's not my motivation fordoing it.
I don't wake up going, oh myGod, I gotta get this.
I gotta get these children.
You know, like.
Like that's not my.

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That's not my motivation toenjoy being outdoors and.
Right.
Friends and family.
I gotta say this to here.
Okay, Michael.
All right.
So we've been with you, dude.
We're getting ready to wrapthe show up and we made a deal.
We were gonna ignore you theentire show because I feel bad now

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because he's texting me like10 times and sent me screenshots
of all the comments that he'smade on this show.
It's that new format, Brett.
That new format.
Mike.
Mike must have not got thatnew format.
That was called ignoring you, Mike.
Yeah, yeah.
It's called ignore, ignore.

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No, I'll go through some ofyour comments.
I've been starring in the.
Michael, just for you.
Just real quick, before wrapit up, he said my birthday is Thursday,
so happy pre birthday, Michael.
For you.
Nine.
I think he might be nine.
I think he might be nine.
He likes nine.

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I like hunting, fishing stuffand a bunch of other stuff.
I like tools.
Well, that's because he is a tool.
Yeah, he is kind of a tool bag for.
He did ask this question.
Johnny Squatch.
Dave, didn't Brett say hewould give me a whitetail advantage
merch for my birthday?
I don't know.
No, he never did.
I don't.

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I don't think I did.
Oh, I never remember himsaying that.
No, I don't know, Mike, but I.
I think you should give himthat or something, man.
I might, but he's Got.
He's running the limit of howmany questions he runs a show and
he's pushing that limit.
I mean, I got some pocket.
I got some pocket lint for Mike.

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I'll send that out to him.
We're your co host and wedon't even have anything.
We had to buy our own.
Yeah, thanks a lot, bro.
Yeah, I'm broke.
I work the corner.
I mean, Johnny.
Johnny even sent me some,some, some lipstick, lip.
Lip chapstick stuff.
And then the, the stuff, thetallow stuff for my wife who sent

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me.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, John.
Yeah.
That's an amazing product.
Don't make me buy some then, Johnny.
Anyway, I'll send you.
I'll send your wife some.
Don't worry.
Brett.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Michael.
We love you.
Yes, I get.
I guess we'll do something foryour birthday, Michael.
I guess let's put his phonenumber in the chat group.

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Yeah.
Post it on the bottom for an episode.
We'll do our call in.
Sign it.
We'll do our call in show.
And it's his phone number.
That's right.
He's like, why is my phone blowing?
That's 40 awesome to do, John.
Not our regular host John.
Our guest.
John, I want to say thank youso much, man, for coming on the show

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and.
Yeah, absolutely.
Experience and everythingabout how for wildlife.
Thank you for everythingyou're doing with it.
I do want to say that I dowant to try and get more involved
with this that we're trying todo here at Whitetail Advantage in
our own type of format withthis in our own way here with Michigan

(01:00:40):
as well.
But more trying to bring thesetype of situations more to light
that need to be discussed more.
But I do want to again say.
I want to say thank you somuch for coming to show and taking
the time out of your day.
I know you're a busy guy.
You're.
You got your hands in a lot of.
A lot of bowls out there andyou're doing a lot.
So I'm very happy for that.

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For people that want to reachout to you.
We'll.
We'll end with you, John R.
John, how could people reachout to you and follow along your
journey?
You don't want to.
Yeah.
I don't blame you.
Squatch.
How about you?
I'll run my usual spiel.
So as you guys know, Sundaysand Tuesday nights here at 8 o' clock
whitetail advantage.
You can also catch me on theboondocks outdoors.

(01:01:22):
Garden State outdoorsman, MikeNitray, Frank Mystica.
Great Bunch of dudes out there.
Check my channel out outdoorsand more with the squatch on YouTube
also, same header under Instagram.
Appreciate all your guyssupport as usual guys.
Thanks for tuning in.
See I can't do a long intro,but he can go on, on about his.
What the hell?

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What the.
Was it on?
It was on.
It was right to the point, sir.
I'll start muting them, man,don't worry.
Oh Jesus, John.
Still, how can people reachout to you?
Following along your journeyand learn more and try and get more
involved with Hollow for Wildlife.
Yeah, definitely become a member.
We've, we've, we've created afree membership even for those people

(01:02:06):
that, you know, want to testthe waters out a little bit before
they invest.
But this is not a, it's not acheap endeavor.
There's, there's really,essentially there's only five of
us, you know, and we're all volunteers.
We don't take a dollar from,from Hal for Wildlife.
In fact, I've invested tens ofthousands of my own money and Charles

(01:02:27):
is even more than that.
And time and effort, we all,we all put a bunch of time and effort
into this.
It takes a lot of money to getthings done.
So we'd love you to become,you know, a paid member.
But if not, the main thing iswe want you to be involved and you
can't be involved if you'renot signed up to find out what's
going on.
So at least get on there,become a free member.

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AlphaWildlife.org and rightnow that public lands action go.
If you go to take action onour website, it's the first action
up there.
And what we're doing with thatis giving you a platform to record
a 60 second video testimonythat will go out to you, all your

(01:03:14):
representatives and PresidentTrump and it will say whatever you
want to say.
Hey, I'm, you know.
Oh, here you go.
Cool.
Oh, nice.
Basically, you know, I'm against.
There you go.
Keep it public.
You click on that right thereand you'll be able to leave your
public comment and that videowill go directly to the people that

(01:03:38):
need to hear this.
That's, that's what wespecialize in.
Your voice gets put out to thedecision makers of the policy that's
in question.
So yeah, get on there.
If you want to follow me justJohn Stallone, you know, at, on Instagram,
you can follow me on Instagramor if you wanted to follow Alpha

(01:04:01):
Wildlife, that's where weconnect with everybody is mostly
on Instagram.
And that's how underscore.
Org.
Yeah, we'd love to you guysget involved.
The more and more people andthis is, I'm going to give you a
quick, you know, 30,000 footview of how I look at this how for
wildlife we have won the vastmajority of stuff that we've gotten

(01:04:25):
involved on.
And we've won that withthousands of people.
There's like 16 millionhunters in the United States.
Could you imagine if 5million, 10 million of those hunters
were involved?
Like we need them to beinvolved at how for wildlife.
If they got their voices outthere, we would be undeniable.

(01:04:47):
We would not lose thing.
We'd be able to start workingon more of the things to get things
back or include new thingslike you know, the turkey hunting
in, in Long island and so onand so forth.
Like that's why we need to bea, we need to be a voice.
We need to be on everything.
We need to be engaged anddialed in.

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And the way you do that, itliterally doesn't take much at all.
It takes about, I would, Iwould say on a yearly basis probably
takes about 15 minutes of your time.
Yeah, like does.
We're not asking for a lot.
15 minutes of your time.
Okay.
And don't give me, I'm superbusy BS because you know, I didn't

(01:05:30):
really get into it with you guys.
But I really don't know verymany people more busy than me.
Okay.
I run a construction company,Alpha Wildlife.
I have a guide service.
I have three kids, a wife.
I got my hand on so manydifferent things between, you know,
promoting social media, allthese things.

(01:05:51):
And I still find time to dowhat I do.
And I'm not saying this togive myself a pat on the back.
I'm saying this, don't makeexcuses, you know, because what happens
is people start, you know,crying about things online and typing
things and saying all thesethings like, you know, that time

(01:06:14):
that you spent doing that bs,you could have put into something
productive and it could havebeen, you know, you, you, you could
have did more for, for huntingand fishing than, than you ever did
in two minutes worth of time.
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm sure I alienated abunch of people on that one.
But hey, I'm not pullingpunches anymore.

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You know, I, I, I think we allhave the potential to do great things.
I think we all have thepotential to, to protect and save
what it is that we love.
You just gotta do it, stop talking.
About it and just do the action.
Exactly.
Basically.
Well, Squatch, And John R.
John.

(01:06:57):
And our guest, John Stallone.
Thank you guys so much forcoming on tonight's show.
And we will.
I'm gonna.
I just.
I'm just gonna leave at that.
I just want to say thank youguys so much for coming on tonight's
show.
And I'm gonna actually do anoutro just because it's our last
show for like a week.
So I'm going to just say something.
Okay.
Oh, God.
Here we go.
It won't be long, I swear, butI'll let you guys go for the rest

(01:07:20):
of your night.
Enjoy your night.
Enjoy your quote unquotevacation that you guys have.
I will talk to you guys all later.
John, I hope you have a greatrest of your night.
Enjoy time with your family.
I will text and call youtomorrow because I'm looking forward
to actually talking to youmore in depth about this.
And I will let you guys go.
You're free.

(01:07:40):
Your vacation's good.
Now is approved.
All right.
Thank you very much.
Have a good one.
Have a good one, guys.
Good night.
Oh, man.
Thank you, Squatch and Johnny,for coming on for tonight's show.
I know it's our last showbefore we go on to vacation.
And our guest, John, thank youfor coming on for tonight.
Greatly appreciate it.

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it is Memorial Day weekend.
So we're enjoying our timewith our friends and family.
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With that being said, put yourcore in a slot machine.
What the are you doing back here?
Well, I just want to say bye now.
You're muted.
Oh.
Oh, okay.
I just wanted to say bye.
Okay.
Bye, John.
Have a great rest of yourtime, guys.
We'll see you.

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