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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
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How's it going, everyone?
Welcome to the show.
What is going on here tonight?
Clear Johnny.
Clear Johnny.
Yeah, I know he's getting newsetup and everything.
Man, he looks clear as and itjust shows how ugly he really is
now.
But you can also see the ETSAPshirt now.
You can.
And you can see my Magnus orshirt though too, so I can't throw
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that away.
Oh, that.
See, for those of youlistening, we're just describing
the video quality.
Mine is by far better than Brex.
Kind of like my trail camerasversus what he uses.
But don't get into this debatewith me.
Welcome to the show, everyone.
He's.
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Huh?
I said welcome to the show, everyone.
He's running clarity.
He has a better clarity of hiscomputer over my webcam than I specifically
bought.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
I will say this though, acouple 10 ring news.
First off, Hayden's not goingto be here tonight.
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At the last second, a familyemergency came up so we're going
to try and reschedule with him.
So I all prayers go out to himand his family right now.
A couple things.
So our second annual fantasyfootball league is up and running.
We have four open slots.
We have some amazing prizesthat we're going to be doing this
year with the winner and so ifyou want to be involved with it this
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year, let us know.
We have four slots open.
Do you want the WhitetailAdvantage calendar for our live shows
and what we do and don't doand when we, when we have shows and
who our guests are going to bein the future, let us know.
We get you on the email linksup for that as well.
Another cool thing we're doingis it's the last Tuesday, I believe,
of September.
So it's Tuesday, September 23rd.
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We're going to be changingthings up.
If you want to be the host ofthe Whitetail Advantage live show,
we're going to give it toanybody that wants to be a guest,
that wants to be the host ofthe show.
We're going to kind of leaveit open up to the audience.
Oh, I want to host a show.
So the last Tuesday ofSeptember, we're gonna leave it open.
So if anybody wants to do it,if we get a lot of feedback from
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it, we're gonna do like someform of a raffle.
If not, we only have a coupledo it.
We're gonna figure out how wego from there.
Anyways, with that being saidtonight, Johnny and I have been talking.
It's the middle of summer,hunting seasons right around the
corner.
Actually, I have the countdownon my phone.
Let me see here and give youthe exact number.
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Hunting season.
There we go.
Two months, 17 days, 10 hoursand 56 minutes left until it starts.
And that's for October 1st at7am so we are two months away from
the season starting.
So we got really.
We've been thinking how are wegoing to.
What we've been doing so far,how we've been practicing, getting
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prepared for this upcomingseason and some tips and tactics
that we've been doing thus farand things that we're going to be
trying differently this yearand we're just going to go from there.
We're going to have fun withit for tonight.
Basically our summer routinethat we do and some things that we're
going to be practicing this year.
Like for instance, myself.
I'll start off by this, thiswill be my first year saddle hunting.
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I haven't had the chance yetthough, to get out and practice my
XOP gear though, because Iwant Johnny to at least be there
to help me get it up andeverything running.
I haven't gotten the saddleyet, so that's why I've been kind
of hesitant to get out thereand do it yet because I don't have
a saddle.
But with that being said, onceI do get the saddle, we're gonna
be out there as much as I can practicing.
But let's, let's takepracticing with your bow because
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that should be like a given.
Like you need to be out therepracticing with your bow.
Let's just take that off.
We, we can get into liketactics on what we do and how we
do it with our practiceregimen with our bow a little later.
But let's talk about, let'sstart off with trail cameras.
Their, their antlers areforming right now.
They're actually.
You should be getting some ofan idea of a base of what they're
doing with their antlers,correct, Johnny?
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Oh, yeah.
Like, I've done a couple.
Well, I showed you a videoearlier from last night.
I got a, some really nicesparks on my trail camera.
And you can start, you canstart looking at them, seeing.
Oh, you know, you got, you canstart projecting what they're going
to be in a couple months.
Yeah.
Already got the baseline down.
Now they're just growing massand growing up.
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Yeah.
Like generally for myself, forme, when I put up my trail cameras
out there, I generally like towait till 4th of July, weekend after
4th of July.
Because at that point you'regonna, like we said, you're gonna
have some idea of what's outthere that you're gonna see.
Like a good base of.
Well, that's going to be amonster or anything like that.
Because they're going to stillcontinue to grow a little bit into
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September.
But that's generally at leastwhen I want to put out there.
Now let's talk about when doyou actually put your cameras out
there, Johnny?
Because I leave my SD camerasout there year round.
I leave the cameras out thereyear round.
But idea to sell cameras likethe end of January because at least
want to see what kind ofcycles through and what made it through
the season, stuff like that.
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But like reactivating thecameras and like maybe moving them
around, stuff like that.
I really start getting into mycamera setup around 4th of July,
weekend, at least after it.
Yeah, so that's kind oftypical with what I do.
And I'll, you know, I keep mycameras out year round.
I run the Moultrie mobiles, socell cams, I keep them, keep them
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up all year.
And usually right aroundFebruary, I'll shut them off because
I want.
The same way I want to seewhat made it through season, what's
out there.
And then you can start judginglike, okay, well, when should this
shed start falling off?
So it's kind of like a littleheads up.
Then I'll shut them off aroundValentine's Day.
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Then I fire them right backup, you know, middle of April, and
I'll start looking at turkeysand stuff like that.
Then you'll start seeing thedeer come back and you'll start seeing
little nubs.
And then you can start, youknow, almost like that early spring
pattern going on with them.
You figure it out, really seewhat's out there and just what, get
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some more eyes in the woods.
I have a couple cameras that Ikeep out there at all times in the
same spot.
I don't really mess with the location.
But then I have three or fourother ones that I'll move around
on the property.
And I hunt all state land.
So what I like to do is like,you know, February timeframe, once
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you start seeing the Dametrail, there's still snow on the
ground.
You see the Dame trails.
Try to change up the camerasand move them around a bit.
Walk down the trail and say,ah, you know, I never hunted this
area because of whatever reason.
Throw a camera up there andsee what's out there.
See what made it.
Yeah, it's generally aroundlike the very first week of January,
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or at least let me say this,the first good snowfall after the.
The season's ended, and I'vegotten a good, like, all right, good
base level of tracks that aregoing to be used, trails are going
to be used and heavy downcompared to what trails and whatnot.
So then I'll go out there andmaybe move them around.
I think people take trailcameras a little too lightly in.
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In some ways, at least whenit's not just going out there and
throwing a camera up there.
You have to position in acorrect way of.
Give yourself the bestopportunity to get photos.
Now.
Stories of people, huh?
I've done that.
When I first started out, Ihad no idea what I was doing.
I had the cameras, I throwthem out where I thought would be
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a good spot, and I didn't seeanything, man.
And then going back out thereand reading the signs and saying,
oh, you know, maybe I should eat.
You know, I have cameras onone tree, even angel in it, 45 degrees.
Then you'll start seeing deer.
And that was on one of my maincameras, the biggest deer I've seen
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on my trail cameras.
It was just facing the wrong direction.
I angle it about 45 degreesand I started seeing deer.
They were there the wholetime, but my camera was just all
dicked up and in the wrong spot.
Yeah.
And I've noticed, though, youdon't ever face a camera.
I mean, sometimes you mightjust have to, just because you might
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have to.
But I never face a camera south.
It's always my.
Like the camera itself, it'salways the back part of it is facing
west, northwest, north,northeast, and east in some capacity.
I don't ever face a camera tothe south.
Now is that just like your.
I. I don't want to say like a.
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Your.
Your lucky charm or somethinglike that or your superstition or
is that just something thatyou've learned that.
Just something I've learned.
In my opinion, you.
You tend to get a lot morephotos of, like, sunlight.
Just like random, milliondifferent photos, at least with my
experience.
Yeah, like just a plethora ofphotos of just like the sun hitting
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stuff like that.
Granted, you're still going toget it throughout.
It's just cameras itself anddaylight and stuff like that is going
to happen.
But I generally do my best toface cameras to the west to an extent
to the north.
Like I said, like that.
And I don't know, that's justkind of like how I've been doing
things the Last four to fiveyears, roughly now.
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Okay.
Yeah, I. I think there's onecamera, though.
I. I had to, because I neededthe way.
The way that the terrain,everything was set up.
I. I had to do it.
But if I take every scenarioout, I'm like, all right, how can
I make this camera face thisdirection and avoid facing itself?
Basically, yeah.
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So I've got.
Right off top of my head, Ihave two cameras facing south.
And just thinking back, I'vegot a couple deer on it, but not
a whole lot.
Those are probably my twocameras that, you know, provide the
least amount of photos.
So I might want to go outthere and change them around now.
Yeah, I just face cameras faceto self.
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I just.
No luck.
You're just going to getbasically nothing.
I'll go ahead.
I'm sorry.
No, go ahead.
Now, what's your thoughts onmultiple cameras on one tree?
You know, I've been thinkingabout that the last couple years
where, like, I'll put one like a.
Granted you have those camerasout there now that are 360.
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I wanted to take, like, I have.
I think I got four cellcameras now and just put them all
on one tree and face them alljust to just circle the whole tree.
I thought about doing that.
I really have.
I.
Am I against it?
No, because the way I set upmy cameras, the way I do it.
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But I think it'd be cool todo, though, for one time to try it
out.
Yeah.
I've been.
I've been playing around withthe idea if I want to do that or
not.
And I think pretty soon I'mgoing to at least put two in one
tree.
Just see what's coming, what's leaving.
You know, you get the patternof the deer.
Oh, they're coming in thisway, man.
Who.
Who knows if there's anotherdeer walking adjacent to that one?
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So.
Right.
The more eyes I can have outthere without actually disturbing
the place all the time, goingback and forth, forth.
And that's what I love aboutcell cams.
Like, I know some places youcan't hunt with cell cams.
I. I absolutely love mine, andI would.
I'm going to use them continuously.
But getting that live feed orthat live notification.
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Oh, there's deer out thereright now.
It's just so much nicer thanhaving to walk out there, check an
SD card.
Who knows what you're gonnabump and jump when you're out there.
Right.
I have, though, I think whatthey say, like, every camera should
have, like every yard or every acre.
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You should have a camera.
And so, like, you can't.
You need to space them out.
I have, though, in the pasthad one camera facing one way, and
then maybe like, 20, 25 yardsto the north of it, maybe facing
it.
Like, they're all facing to the.
Like, the west.
Yeah, I have done that.
Okay.
Yeah.
Just to kind of, like, see, like.
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All right, okay.
Let me break this down, though.
For me, on the camera, I'm notjust facing it any direction.
I'm facing, like, if I face itin one direction, because there's
probably a reason to it,because I've seen trails coming in
anyway.
And what I always do.
Right.
I generally.
And so then when I put the camp.
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When I'm wanting to put thecamera up in a tree, I put my back
to the tree and I'm facing the direction.
I'm thinking that is, I'mgonna face it.
And I'm seeing like, allright, the deer come this way.
Where's a good inner.
Like, an intersection pointright there.
I'll face it to that.
And then what's gonna give memy good angle of view here?
And then once I'm goingthrough the camera photos themselves.
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Now, I'm not just looking.
All right, Scrolling throughthe photo.
All right, there's no deer.
There's no deer.
There's an ass with a deer andstuff like that.
I'm actually using thatinformation to help myself out, because
even if I get a picture of onedeer itself, of its ass, then I try
to see, like, how many deer.
How many photos of.
Of a deer of an ass that I'm getting.
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Oh, yeah, right.
Because then it's gonna atleast tell me.
All right, maybe it's gonnatell me a couple different things.
I mean, they're one too closeor two.
They're coming from onedirection, and they're always going
out.
Let's just say to the east,for example.
All right, now I have some idea.
Like, all right, they'realways going to the east.
I'm getting to these photos.
Or vice versa to west.
Looking at the photosthemselves of the deer can tell you
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a lot of.
On that photo.
Not just.
I don't think you should justlook at the photo.
Like, oh, look at that deer.
Dissect that photo as much asyou can.
And we've all done it.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, the pot callingthe Tuttle black.
I. I've dissected so manyphotos and just based entire hunts
off of one photo and was justso off.
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But yeah, like you weresaying, you know, you have to get
that.
That whole picture.
You can't just stare at alittle image of, you know, that one
chunk of property, and I'vemade it where I spin my cameras all
the way around.
And.
Yeah, I absolutely love that now.
So you hunt.
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You know, you're fortunateenough to hunt private land now.
I posted a couple pictureslast season, and, well, pictures
and videos.
I hunt all public, and I had.
So I had a camera probably 10,15ft up in the air, right?
Yeah.
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Hunting public here in Michigan.
I've had so many tree standsstolen, I actually just had one go
missing a couple weeks ago.
I went out there to check inon it.
I know I should have pulledit, but I didn't.
Just because I wanted to seewhat would happen.
Yeah, it ended up getting stolen.
But what I would do is I wouldput up a camera, one trail camera
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facing the trail, walking in,just so I could see the people walking
in and out.
It's all public.
If there's a lot of dogwalkers and shit like that out there,
I want to know.
So that way I can move myspots and adjust them accordingly.
Now what's your thoughts on that?
Because I had a couple.
You know, being where I'm at,there's a lot of drug use and tweeters
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and stuff like that.
Oh, I know.
Oh, my God.
Man.
I got some pretty interestingstuff on camera, that's for sure.
Oh, I bet.
Yeah.
I know your area very well.
Yeah.
So what I wanted to do is justto get that, okay, who's out here
in the woods with me or whomay be in the woods with me?
And I posted a couple ofvideos on Facebook saying, hey, do
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you know this person?
Dude, the backlash I got fordoing that was insane.
Boy, it's public land.
Everyone has the right to beout there.
And I get it.
It's true.
But the people saying thathunt public or they all hunt private
and have never had a standstolen from them.
I mean, that should.
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It gets expensive.
And you've had six or sevenstands stolen, that's for sure.
So your question is, what wasmy thoughts on, like, just someone
in your position generallyputting out cameras to see who could
possibly be stealing there?
Absolutely.
I love it.
Like, for anyone that'sagainst it, I think is stupid.
I mean, it's no different thanyou trying to put a ring camera on
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your phone, your house.
I mean.
Yeah, that's my thoughts exactly.
Apparently there's a lot ofpeople who disagree with that, but
off, I think that's.
It's one thing to maybe to seetheir side.
Maybe they're getting pissedbecause you're blasting them on the
Internet.
Maybe.
But you got this person on camera.
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And I've seen countless photoswhere there's people like, hey, I
got this person on camera andthe next day my, my shit's gone.
Have you, has anybody seen or no.
Or can ID this person andstuff like that?
Oh yeah.
Oh, like it happens.
I mean, you're just trying toget your stuff.
So I'm, I'm agree with it.
I would do it myself.
Oh, for sure.
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So now going back to like thetrail cameras in the woods, do you
elevate yours or yours at, youknow, eye level of deer?
Last year with the camera thatyou gave me was the first time I
put a camera elevated andangled down.
Okay.
I didn't have any negative orpositive feedback from it.
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I just, it was a different viewpoint.
Yeah, but generally what I,what I've done in the past, for 15
plus years now that I've beendoing cameras, it's just generally
chest high, just right here,like for myself and trying to.
That's what I've generallybeen doing.
And now.
I know, I know.
The thing now though is, atleast in my opinion, most recent
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of years, people will put themelevated up and angle down for, for
camera.
Like for, for animals, ifthat's the question.
Not towards, for people.
Oh yeah, yeah, people, yeah.
But no.
So I started doing that last year.
Is elevating them probablylike 12 to no more than 15ft up in
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the air and just angling it down.
And your field of, field ofview is so much wider.
And then I was getting, youknow, typically chest level, you'd
have a deer come by.
Was it 15 second trigger ifyou're running a video?
Yeah, like, like you weresaying earlier, you might get their
ass walking by, man, you putit up higher.
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The angel or field of, fieldof view is a lot higher.
Once that 15 second triggerhits, that deer's just right out
there, just walking right infront of you for full video length.
And then you might did acouple of them and it's so much nicer
because now you can startreally checking out the deer, really
pattern patterning them andjust seeing where they're going.
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And you have, you can see somuch more.
Maybe I should start doingthat at least on a couple this year
maybe.
I think though, as huntersthough, we need to be trying new
things and, and getting out ofyour comfort zone.
Because my comfort zone isjust boom, chest high.
All right, here we go.
Right There, go run it.
Yeah.
And just maybe that's allpractice of that's what I've been
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doing.
I.
But when as I got more intodoing it, I like that up close and
personal type, deal with it all.
But you, you do get tired ofseeing just like photos of like an
ass.
I'm like, damn it, like, whatthe was that?
Or like you get a photo of adeer where its antlers are like right
there.
And like, I can kind of tellhe's a giant.
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But you don't know becauseit's so close to the camera lens.
So it could be, it could be aspike for all you know.
I had a video last year.
I'll have to see if I can sendit to you later.
But it's this deer.
Just like I. I had put someminerals out and it was just the
back of a deer and saw itsneck going down.
It was going after the minerals.
I'm like, that's really cool.
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Yeah.
It was a 15 second delay on mycameras and then a 15 second video.
So right like the last fourseconds of this video, this deer
pops up and it's just massive spread.
I was like, holy, like.
And then the camera cuts offand then he's gone.
I'm like, that was the coolestthing ever because you just see this
deer, like, oh man, it'sprobably just another dough or small
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block and it's like, boom,right there.
Yeah.
That was one of thoseinstances where if I would have had
the camera mounted up higherand angled down, I would have been
able to see him a lot more.
But that was just one of thecoolest videos I've ever seen.
Now there was two photo, twovideos of that were like, that stuck
out to me the most.
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One was the very first videoof Fish Hook, the deer I got a couple
years ago.
The very first video of himthat I saw was.
And it happened to be the veryfirst video, the photos I was looking
through for that year.
And he, he's right there andhe's like five yards right in front
of my camera.
He's facing one way and thenhe turns towards my camera.
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And as I'm playing the video,I'm just like, holy gosh.
And like I my pants when I saw him.
Oh yeah.
A year later, I think the nextyear, I have my SD camera out in
my rut area and there.
And it's like right next to mystand that I was hunting.
Yeah, I'm gonna be moving it though.
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And this deer, I called himGeronimo at Least my wife nicknamed
him Geronimo.
And he's facing one direction.
All I saw at the beginning washis right side.
I'm thinking, all right,that's pretty, that's a good one.
He's turning more and moretowards the camera and more and more
he turns.
My mouth just goes.
I'm just like losing my mind.
And he was just a massive likehe had, he was a nine pointer.
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So not a lot of points on him,but a typical nine pointer.
Very wide, very massive andjust like time length on him too.
And he, he just looked like a tank.
And as I'm looking at thisone, I'm just like in just awe of
him.
And there's photos I think of.
I got him like the last year,the year before and I was after him
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for so long and I just turnednicknamed myself the Ghost deer because
I just never seemed to see himever again.
And just to have.
It's just weird to see a photoof a DEER that's like five yards
from your stand on September10th or whatever.
And then the hunting seasoncomes and you can't even see another
photo of him on a camera.
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So I have one picture and Ihad to pull it up.
I have it here.
It's from at.
Wow, almost a year.
Oh, just over a year to last year.
This was 7, 1124.
And for everyone listening,I'm sorry but that's like the coolest
picture I've ever seen.
This is deer coming in, right?
Yeah, that's the one that'sout there right now that still, you
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know, he made it and I'mgetting camera or pictures of him
but what I did is I startedonce I got that picture that, that's
chest level, I moved it uphigher and started getting this one
deer coming in who was alwaysoffset from him.
And the first time.
This is a. I'm going to showyou the picture of the first time
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I saw him.
This dude has like one elkhorn or one elk antler and one whitetail
antler.
And that's it right there.
What the.
So yeah, everyone listening.
You'd have to watch the videoon YouTube later.
But so let, let me try to explain.
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So if you're listening to thison the audio version, if you're,
you're looking at the back ofthe deer's head, his left antler
side, left antler.
It's his main beam right there.
That's like a weird S shapedand his brow tine and then his other
right side is just a massive,your typical 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
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Typical five point on theother side.
That looks amazing.
And that's.
Yeah, I. I have a full bodyvideo of him.
Only one.
And dude, he is a.
Last year he was a tank, likein the summer.
Like just a giant fat old deer.
That's.
And yeah, dude, that dudewould be on the wall all day.
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So I have actually my buddytexting me.
Yes, Michael, I see your text.
I see your comments about Imet ring camera on your.
Your house.
Obviously you missed Mikesaying that.
Anyways, so my buddy, he hashis cameras out right now.
Mine aren't activated as of.
As of yet.
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So a couple years ago, we weregetting photos of this deer that
I nicknamed Biggie Smalls.
Why I named Biggie Smalls wasbecause he, he was a big eight pointer,
small ten pointer.
And the reason I say it isbecause of this.
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This is him this year.
Let me try and get the photoup there as best I can.
Oh, very nice.
So as you can tell right now,basically just looking at it, he's
like, you can see maybe likean eight pointer.
Yep.
But the more you get into it,last year he didn't have that split
brow tine on the right side.
Yeah.
So just take that away fromlast year and this.
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And reason that we nicknamedthem Biggie Smalls was because you
see those like G3s, yo, G4s.
I mean they're very small,maybe like an inch to 2 inches.
We didn't catch that at first.
Those are nice.
And so that's why we got thenickname of Biggie Smalls.
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Like really big eight pointer,small ten pointer type deal.
I'm like, all right.
He's very wide and he's gotthis big giant like gullet now, like
a big fat belly.
He's got like this weirdtypical like lump on it on his chest.
He just looks beautiful.
I'm hoping to get him this year.
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We haven't had a lot of other cameras.
Photos of any are spectaculardeer on the property this year.
But I don't know, I saw him onthat photo, I was like, man, Biggie
Smalls made it through.
Holy, dude.
So you and I live in the samearea of Michigan, right?
Southwest corner.
Yeah.
And last year it was such ahit or Ms. On EHD, right.
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And I was, I was so hesitanton putting my cameras out there and
activating them again becauseI was like, we got hit so hard with
ehd, so many deer were dead.
And as soon as I fired themup, I started getting decent deer.
I'm like, all right, you know,it's nice seeing these deer and that's,
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you know, that I'm glad Iturned them on and started getting
pictures because I was aboutready to give up on this whole area
because it was hit so hard, my county.
Yeah, yours was, was hitreally, really bad.
Yeah.
So even I have smaller buckson my cameras.
I have, you know, two year oldbucks that are pretty decent size,
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you know, for, for my area,for public land, they're decent.
I mean, November 15th toDecember 1st, so many deer are shot
in my area.
I mean if it's brown, it's down.
That's the motto.
But to be able to turn themon, to see good, decent public land.
Bar coming back from EHDthinking that before they were all
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wiped out, like, man, I was sohappy to see him.
I'm gonna hunt it hard thisyear where last year I was hearing
all these reports of EHD andpeople finding so many deer dead.
I mean like there'd be reportsof people finding 100 deer dead in
a weekend.
And so I just gave up on that area.
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Looking back at it, I probablyshould have hunted it.
But I'm glad I didn't becausenow they're coming back and they're,
they're looking pretty decentthis year.
Yeah, it's weird how like evenmyself, I was like, yeah, what's
the point?
Like I, when I was hearing EHDcoming and then it really hit, I
was like, well, this season'sgonna suck balls.
Like I, I didn't even thoughtabout myself, like I'm not gonna
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put a camera out there.
But I was like, well, you knowwhat, the cook cameras out there
and let's see what kind ofkeeps coming through maybe just for
that point of it.
But I had like zero hope goinginto last year.
I was fortunate enough to geta deer.
I'm proud of the deer, butnothing of the caliber that I was
looking.
I saw photos of on camera andwe've talked about on the show before
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last year, which is a veryweird season in general for hunters.
It just seemed like it was avery hard season to hunt because
of ehd but it just seemed likeeverything was like every hunter
was in my mind talking.
We're thinking, all right,it's going to be A, B, C and D. Next
thing you know, while it's A,B, C and D, it's xyz and we're like,
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what the happening?
We're, we're all confused andthis and that.
And it was just a tough, toughyear last year.
And I think this year noweveryone's got their skeptics of
how EHD started and stuff like that.
I've heard the conspiracytheories of, oh, the insurance planted
that, or the conservationdepartment started that.
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I mean, if insurance companiesstarted that, dude, that.
That's some next levelconspiracy stuff.
That, yeah, that's sometinfoil hat wearing right there.
Because that's some, like, unbelievable.
And that being said, if that'sthe case, I want to work for those
insurance agencies and I wantto dip behind this.
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You know, I want to listen, wereally need to do this in this area
so I can get these deer.
Right?
But I heard that.
I heard that theory and I was like.
I asked that person, I'm like,are you serious?
He goes, yeah, I really thinkthe insurance company was behind
it because they got tired ofpaying out all these claims with
deer hitting with deeraccidents in Michigan.
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And I'm like, in some way youcan like, okay, for like 5% of that.
That theory.
I was like, all right, I couldbelieve it in some sense.
But then you start looking atthe logistics and how they would
go about doing it.
Yeah, no, you know, I'm hugeon conspiracy theories.
I love all that.
Same here.
But then you hear that andyou're like, dude, can you really
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picture Jake from State Farmsprinkling on bait piles?
Because I sure can't.
And with his khaki says, allright, sprinkle C HD here, here.
That's why my trail camerasget turned every once in a while.
Jake out there with me.
God damn it.
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Now every season I have that's bad.
I'm blaming Jake from State Farm.
That's all there is to it.
You heard it first here.
Bad season.
I don't get anything.
Jake from State Farm, it'syour fault, man.
That's right.
Let's be real, though, ehd.
Because at least here inMichigan, and that's because we're
talking about it because wehad so many.
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I wouldn't say so many, butthe most recent of years in the winter,
it wasn't as harsh as it's been.
Has it been as cold?
Has it been.
So it's been very.
Been very warm.
So a lot of that stuff that issupposed to kill off that in the
hd that it's supposed to bekilled off in the winter time didn't.
So that's why it came back very.
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This year, very extreme orlast year, very extreme and very
rapid.
Because a lot of stuff wasn'tkilled off in the winter time.
And so that's the.
The real reason.
Yeah, it's been.
And you know, and get behindglobal warming.
Right.
But another conspiracy.
Tinfoil hat wearing.
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But it has been here inMichigan, the summers go on longer.
The falls are a lot warmer.
Yeah.
And yeah, we're going to haveehd but you look at Florida, Right.
Their season's going to starthere really soon.
I think August time frame, ifnot before.
They have hot, humid weatherall the time.
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They don't have reports of itlike we do up here.
So maybe it's just something that.
A natural course of actionthat the animals just have to adapt
and overcome.
That is a good point.
I didn't think of that.
Maybe in like five years EHDwon't be.
Well, I don't want to say five years.
Maybe like five generationsEHD here in Michigan.
It's not going to be that bad.
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And that was always a huge thing.
Maybe it's an environmental thing.
Maybe the deer down there,they're not susceptible to it because
they live through that warmseason all the time.
Yeah.
Up here we're supposed to haveOctober 1st.
It's supposed to be cool.
November 15th, start of gun season.
There's supposed to be a footof snow.
We haven't had our first footof snow until end of December lately.
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Maybe it's just something thatneeds to happen.
Well, last year was.
What was it like the beginningof November.
And we're finally happy.
It was hitting 60 degrees.
Yeah.
Yep.
Like it was like a.
Our first week of a cold snapin a sense.
And the high was 60, 65.
We're like, holy.
This is really happening.
Finally.
Oh, yeah.
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It was a Christmas day and people.
It was warm and a little muddyoutside, but people around my local
golf course doing a round ofgolf, just walking.
It was that warm out.
Yep.
And the ground never frozeuntil the first of the year.
Yeah.
So many things.
So many things.
Let's talk about a little timeleft before we wrap up for tonight.
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Let's do anything else though,that you're.
You're gonna be tryingdifferently because will you be on
public land?
And like for instance, myself,I'll go first.
On private land, I've been.
I bought Whitetail Institute.
No plow.
I made a video of it, but I'mhaving problems with that.
Anyways, long story short, Ididn't do any like soil testing or
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any lime or any of that, thattype of.
I just wanted to see whatwould happen with this food plot
if I just raked up this littlesection of the woods and where I
hunt in the wood, in the rut.
Raked it all up and smoothedit out, then spread the sheet, the.
The seed, and then just kindof like top raked it and just kind
of let it sink into the groundand then.
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And just do that.
I wanted to see what would happen.
I did that on Saturday, May 31.
Went out on yesterday with the kids.
I had a whole game plan I wasgoing to do, but because of mosquitoes
were just killing me and mykids, we were only out there for
like, an hour.
And, like, screw us.
We're getting.
We're getting out of here.
Anyways.
The.
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The food plot actually stuck.
Surprisingly, it actually grewa little bit.
It grew a lot better than whatI thought it was going to do.
And there was not a whole lotof sunlight into that area that I
did it on.
And we only got maybe 2, 2, 3inches of rain from yesterday, from
the time that I planted it.
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So it got very little rain.
So I'm like, this did.
It did a lot better than the outcome.
Came out a lot better thanwhat I anticipated.
I can say that.
And that's one thing I'mtrying to do this year and then neck
this weekend coming up.
No matter what, I gotta cut up some.
Some trees out there, cut alittle more shooting lanes out in
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the woods.
And I'm putting up one of my.
My T shirts in my stand.
Yeah.
Yep.
Now, to do that in the rut inmy location area that I love to hunt,
rut people would be like,well, you're stupid.
I want to see what happens in that.
In that area, because I canhunt the.
On this cornfield area and getaway with any type of wind, stuff
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like that.
Fine.
Okay.
But I want to see what happensout there.
That's what I'm curious about.
So hunting that spot with therut, it's.
I.
If you're gonna hit a T shirt,I have zero issue with that.
I've actually thought about itin my public land spots.
But the bucks that you'reafter, they're going to be so focused
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on chasing those does.
So it's really the does thatyou have to outsmart.
Yeah.
That's what I've been planning on.
Yeah.
And I'm hoping, like, I've gotso many does on my.
I've got does all day on mytrail cameras, which is awesome during
that.
That rut season.
Right.
But I've got a lot of old doesout there, too, which I'm hoping
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early season to take out acouple of them.
Yeah.
Because we have the libertyhunt or the youth hunt coming up
this Year and that's firsttime in Michigan.
That's a doze only.
Yeah.
And that's.
I'm hoping to get a coupledoes that weekend.
I. I'm only here that weekendthat I'm turning around.
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That.
That Sunday I'm actuallyleaving for another hunt.
But yeah, I'm hoping.
Yeah.
So I wasn't gonna mention it,but it's not the output, it's not
the elf hunt, it's the bear hunt.
But.
Yeah, but no, like so manypeople here in Michigan focus on
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the rut because, you know, itpeaks the start of gun season.
Yeah.
And at that point everyonegoes in the woods, tries to shoot
those monster barks or anydeer really.
But now what's your thoughtson Michigan with their.
With their buck restrictions?
Like the APR type thing.
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Yeah.
So we have, you know, we havethe four on one side restricted.
Oh yeah.
Then we have the.
Any, you know, any bot.
What's your thoughts on like.
So we have Frank on here.
Broadside ambush.
Frank, New Jersey.
I'm a huge fan of the New Jersey.
Of the New Jersey.
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Earn a buck.
Like I really wish.
Yeah, I really wish Michiganwould go about following that law
or that rule.
Oh, it's like you had to shoota doe.
You have to shoot a dota toknit a buck.
You did a buck, your firstbuck is free.
Every other buck after that,shoot a doe.
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Because we have so many deerhere in Michigan, so many people
pass them up.
Well, we have a lot of does,if that's what you're saying.
Like we have a lot of deer in general.
Yep.
Our dota buck ratio throughlike the entire state is like 5:1.
It's like unbelievably outnumbered.
And I think.
But I think another reason isthat because like for two reasons.
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One, because obviously for usin the state of Michigan, our hunting
numbers have just been rapidlydeclining since I don't know, 2015
or whatever.
Been just been steady decline.
I mean you take that one year of.
Of 2020 of COVID year.
That was the one year it spiked.
But that's an outlier becauseof COVID So you take that year out
of it.
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It's been steadily declining.
So I think that's.
That's obviously one of themain reasons.
I think the second main reasonthough is because the.
You have like for instance, us.
Right.
I'm not against.
I'm not going to shoot a doeor like I'm not going to not shoot
a doe or shoot a lesser deerbecause for social media purposes,
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like you have like the you'renot dating unless it's Facebook official
type thing, remember?
So you got those type ofpeople out there at least in my mind
that are going to shoot.
Wait, hold off on those.
Deer try to shoot a monsterbuck or a buck to solidify themselves
as a hunter on, on the Internet.
Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna do that.
I'm gonna be happy and proud.
Like look what the I shot.
I don't give a. I want meatfor the freezer.
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Exactly.
Now I've tried shooting doesbut they've kicked my ass every year
I've hunted I have yet to putmy tag on a doe.
I've been trying my best butto get back to your point of earn
a buck.
I like it and I don't like itbecause like for instance myself
I've tried shooting does and Ican't get my.
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I tell you what, I can't put.
My tag on a dough dude.
Like I've pride.
Yeah.
If you can shoot a decent, noteven a good, just a decent two three
year old doe here in Michiganstate land, public land, private
land, whatever.
Like that, that speed statuesof your hunting ability.
Yeah.
Those are so hard to hunt here.
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And I call them Einstein's ofthe woods.
Yeah, they are.
I mean I was watching a videoearlier and I was talking about a
good five year old doe and yousee her in the woods and her head's
always bobbing, her ears aregoing every which way, she's listening
constantly, she's alwayswatching out.
But what's worse than that isshe's teaching those traits to her
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younger, her younger deerwhich in return like they're making
smarter deer.
So you're like you know what?
No, we got to take theseStephen Hawkins of the deers out
and started eating thoseeveryday people deer in the woods,
you know.
Right.
Make honey and grit again.
Get them does out.
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I can't stand them, dude.
Like I've shot.
I think two does never found them.
Granted I accidentally shotthem both in no man's land.
But oh man.
And I have like a, like it's afamily law on the reasons why and
why not why we could, when wecould shoot a deer, a doe and when
we can't shoot a doe and butthose a lot of times I can get the
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chance to shoot a doe.
It's just like the opportunitythat allows me to in our family law
to do it.
I just can't capitalize on it.
Like last year I, I shot mybuck and it was 12:31, 38 in the
afternoon, and it was cold,but look like it was raining and
really cold with the rain.
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And I did.
It was November 14th, and Iwanted to wait it out because it
was my last day to get like,all right, well, if buck comes a
doe walking through, whateverthe case, may be a broadside ambush
coming.
Yeah.
Season starts September 13thhere in New Jersey.
Gotta shoot a doe first.
That.
That's just.
Damn.
That's why most people bait.
(42:45):
To get their dough out of the way.
Oh, absolutely.
But back to my story of.
I was talking to my dad on the phone.
I was like, I don't want to goin yet because it's my last date.
It's my last time to huntbecause all the gun hunters are on
the property.
They're gonna be out here tomorrow.
And so I'm like, I got fivehours left.
It.
I'm gonna just hold it out.
And as I hang up the phonewith him and I'm still debating,
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like, do I just get down thereand get him and say it?
I'm done with it.
Done for this year and stufflike that.
As I'm doing it, I'm like, allright, screw it.
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna wait another hour.
As I'm getting my.
My arrow, a doe walks right infront of me.
And I'm not even, like.
Like, trying to keep slow ortrying to move or stuff like that.
And I don't know why, but I'mjust, like, it.
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I'm gonna grab my arrow andthrow it in there and just be on.
Screw it.
I don't give a.
Making all kinds of motions.
Yes.
Walks right in front of me,just 10, 15 yards in front of me,
and I'm just sitting there like.
And I'm not even ready.
Like, I have the arrow in myhand, and I can't get it to, like,
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put it.
As I'm getting it ready to,like, draw back on her, she's just
gone.
I'm just, like, shooting a doe.
It's my shirt, and I. I willdo anything to shoot a doe.
The first doe you shoot, youdidn't have to do the shoulder mount
just to put it up.
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Now, don't get me wrong.
I would do my 19th year, 19thyear hunting, and I have yet to put
my tag on a toe.
I'm 30.
30.
31 years old.
So you drop.
You've seen Estonava in themoonlight, right?
And when I was a kid.
I don't remember it now, though.
Oh, yeah.
So you.
Jeff Daniels, played as acharacter, huge butt hunting Movie.
(44:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Which I down.
Yeah, I've seen it.
Yeah.
He was known as the.
The buttless Gooper.
Yeah.
Dude, you're the dullest troll.
For those who don't hit thatreference, Michigan has an Upper
and Lower Peninsula.
U.S. lower Peninsula peopleare known as trolls because we live
underneath the bridge.
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Yep.
So, Brett, as of today, youare now the doughless troll.
That name better not stick.
I swear to God.
It better go underneath.
Brett Bovin, host of WhitetailAdvantage Dolas Troll troll.
The dole.
The dolest troll.
Oh, my God.
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I'm not even gonna.
Oh, it.
I'm just gonna do it.
I'm gonna.
Hey, you have to, man.
Earn it.
I'm gonna.
I'm just gonna accept it.
I'm gonna accept it.
It's so.
Well, do you.
You might not remember itbecause you're about 12 years younger
than me, but do you rememberin Michigan when.
When you had to apply for a dopermit, it was a draw, kind of like
(45:37):
baron turkey?
Yeah, that was back in theheyday, though.
Back.
I remember I was probably 14or 15.
I got drawn for a DO tag, andI was.
Dude, that was awesome.
Me and a couple buddies weretalking about that the other day,
about how the deer populationis just blown up in so many.
(45:59):
You know, in 20 years, we'vegot so many does.
Well, so many deer in general.
Doe tats.
I think last year we could get17 doe tags.
Oh, yeah.
Like.
Like after the season ended.
Yeah, I think it was like,five bucks a tag.
I. I don't know.
Yeah, last year, at least, Ithink it was five.
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Maybe it was 20.
I'm pretty sure it was like,you can buy a tag for, like, five
bucks for.
Yeah, I know.
The extended archery urbanseason from, like, January 1st, February
1st, that was like, unlimiteddoe tags, five bucks attached or
some shit like that.
Yeah, but it was only incertain counties.
Yeah, but, I mean, you.
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So we see that, right?
We went from watching peopleapply for a doe tag and get denied
to now you can buy unlimiteddough tags.
Now you fast forward tilltoday where you.
You have to.
Which is weird.
In Michigan, you have to applyfor a turkey tag.
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Dude, you can't drive down the.
Down the road without seeing adozen turkeys at any given time.
Oh, like, we have so manyturkeys, and you still have to apply
for a tag.
You know what?
They only hand out, like, one,like, tag, like, every five people
or something like that.
Like, very weird.
I've had it where I will not.
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Well, so three years ago, Idid not get, or I did not get drawn
for turkey, but I had drawnfor bear.
And I was like, are youkidding me?
Like, this is ridiculous.
I couldn't bear hunt that season.
So I had, you know, I calledthe DNR and got my points back.
Yeah.
But it still took me anotherthree years to get drawn for another
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bear tag.
But every year after that Iwas getting drawn for turkey.
I was like, this is ridiculous.
Like, and people are listeningto this thing.
Like, you guys are from Michigan.
Yes.
The way our conservationthings do things here is stupid.
It doesn't make sense.
No, I think we can make like awhole episode of just the Idiocracy
(48:12):
that happens over there in Lansing.
Oh my God.
That it could start at 8 o'clock and this could, it could go
on to like a whole week just straight.
It could be a miniseries for sure.
No, actually, I think weshould do that.
We definitely should, dude.
I mean, to hear like, sowhere, where I'm employed, I'm the
(48:36):
only hunter, right?
Then hearing people talk aboutlike, well, why, like, you have to
put, you have to put in for aturkey Tad, there's 50 turkeys in
this field every morning or what?
Why do you hunt like that?
That's ridiculous.
And they're like thesupporters of, like, we should just
let the, the deer be deer andjust let them do their thing.
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Why we don't even need ahunting season.
Right.
So like we did into a hugerabbit hole of stupid Michigan.
Especially with PSE mobilehunter over here.
Ain't no kidding.
That would be an epic show ofjust us three getting on here and
just talking about the stupidthat happens there and the law that
(49:20):
they pass and the things likefor years we've been trying to say
like, we want this to happen,we want this to change.
And we think this.
They don't listen to us at all.
I mean, 10 Nugent was up hererecently and that turned out to be
a whole fucking shit show.
He's up there, he's yellingmore last this time than he did a
couple years ago.
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Oh my God, he was furious.
And he made.
So what's crazy is the past,like probably five years where you
put in bait here in Michigan.
All of a sudden this year theyproposed a baiting license.
If you want to bait fiveyears, you know, from the last five
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years.
Oh no, you can't bait becauseof EHD and chronic wasting disease.
But this year you pay a 25license fee, you can bait.
And that will not prevent ehd.
And you're like, Wait, hold on here.
The state just wants their cut.
That's all it is.
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Exactly.
Any way the state can use canmanipulate laws and regulations to
make money.
They're going to.
And what does that do?
It fucks the everyday hunter.
That's all it does.
That's just government itself too.
But we're only talking aboutthe conservation side of it.
But yes, any way that they canfind manipulate the law in order
(50:47):
to deepen money into their ownpocket, they're gonna find the fucking
ways to do it.
Now explain to me like Ted Nujust says it perfectly.
What's the difference betweenme hunting over a natural grown apple
tree compared to me bringingapples out there myself?
The same apples moving them15ft this way and hunting that spot.
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What's the difference?
Because we really don't.
We want to reduce of themlicking and spreading in saliva and
stuff like that.
They're constantly lickingeach other's assholes and sharing
spit.
Okay.
They're going to be.
They do it naturally on aevery goddamn given day.
Have you ever seen the licking branch?
No.
I mean for folks sakes.
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Yeah.
I mean they have the scrapesin the ground.
They pee on them and they lickit up, dude.
So like.
Like the people in theseplaces, they think that because they
have a degree that they'resmarter than us.
Okay.
Yeah.
It shows that you.
I have a degree.
It doesn't make me smarterthan you are the next person around
me.
Yeah.
I've got a degree as well.
(51:52):
Like listen to common sense isnot so common.
No.
Not anymore.
Not lately.
Nope.
We just had a whole monthdedicated to people that want to
blow other dudes.
And me on that topic.
I'm just.
I'm just gonna go off anyways.
You know what?
Hey, don't worry about it.
That's why Dave and Squatcharen't here right now.
(52:14):
They're wrapping up their.
Their pride month together.
That's.
You know, we support that.
If that's what they want to do.
It's not for us.
But hey, we.
We're happy for you.
I'm glad that you're happy andhappy in your own skin.
We're happy that they're happy.
But what they did back on the show.
(52:34):
Strictly deer, honey.
That's it.
And I don't care what thosetwo do together.
We're still gonna joke aboutyou like sucking dick.
Oh man.
Absolutely nothing is offlimits here on the show.
That's right.
Nothing's off limits.
We just open it all up.
That's what this show is about.
Week we're gonna speak ourminds and speak the truth and you
don't like it it I don't give a.
(52:56):
You have to have thick skinthese nowadays.
You really do.
And if you don't and I have tocater what I say and don't say to
make you feel happy aboutyourself or to make sure you don't
feel microaggressions.
Words and trigger words.
Grow the fuck up.
Man up.
Woman up.
Grow fucking vagina balls andgrow and let your man balls drop.
Don't give out of your vashand fucking nut up.
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I'm just.
Let's say this I am curiousthough to hear about Frank though,
because he lives out there inNew Jersey on his opinions on it.
Dude, earn a buck.
Frank is who we need to havehost the show one day because Frank
hosts his own podcast anddude, he'd be an awesome guest host
(53:41):
one day.
So Frank, reach out, man.
Let's make this happen.
Yeah, I'm really curiousthough that like those people that
I New Jersey, I knew, NewJersey is one of them.
But I think isn't Wisconsinwanting to become one?
Wisconsin wants to.
So what's Wisconsin isn't yet,but what Wisconsin does do is they
(54:03):
offer a first time.
And this is awesome.
Like this is what I absolutely love.
And this is why I'm hunting.
Wisconsin this year is thefirst year of a non resident.
Tad is half off.
So you're actually as a nonresident, you're able to hunt Wisconsin
for probably cheaper than aresident, which is unheard of in
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any other state.
I mean, you hear these reportsof non resident tag prices going
up 4 or 500%.
Like Idaho is ridiculous totry to hunt.
I think it's a way though forthem to get more.
More people in to hunt thatstate revenue wise, obviously, in
my opinion.
Oh, for sure.
And not only that, butWisconsin, they have some amazing
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deer.
Yeah.
I mean you look at, you know,they're right.
I mean they're right acrossthe lake from us.
They have great deer, NorthernIllinois genetics of deer are pretty
good as well.
Oh yeah.
But then you also look at it.
Wisconsin stretches all theway up and touches rup.
Which is great for bear and deer.
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I mean you could, youpotentially could get drawn for bear
up there as a non resident andpay less than what a resident would
here in Michigan for bear.
Really?
Which is unbelievable.
I don't know why this justpopped in my mind.
But you remember a coupleyears ago they wanted to change it
from Lake Michigan to Lake Wisconsin.
I do those bags over There in Wisconsin.
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Love you guys, but you're notchanging our, we're known as the
Great Lake State State.
Not only that, but I mean theWisconsin Badgers, Michigan Wolverines.
Come on, man.
Right.
Just trying to copy us here.
I, I, I love Wisconsin.
Absolutely do.
But come on, man.
Michigan Wolverines, Wisconsin Badgers.
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The Badgers are like the, thetrailer part version of a wolverine.
And if you actually look atthe natural shape of Wisconsin, it
kind of looks like a, a tarredversion of Michigan.
Like in the upper right cornerof it it's got that weird little
outline and then up on theleft it goes like out into, you know,
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the.
Whole left hand mitten.
The Mitten State.
Wisconsin is like that likecrippled, like.
Yeah.
Now that being said, we have alot of listeners that I know from
Wisconsin.
I absolutely love them and Icannot wait to come out there and
hunt with you guys.
But Michigan Wolverines were better.
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Just saying it.
We'll say this though.
Oregon Ducks, the number one.
No, I, I do like, I like Oregon.
I've been out there andtalking with a lot of the guys out
there.
I would, Oregon would be thatstate that I moved to other than
Michigan.
Now I love, like, I love thescenery out there.
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Just looking at the photos andthey've been out there.
Tennessee is the number onestate I'd move to see.
I would ordon on top.
So Oregon has whitetail, butonly other.
Parts of the state though.
Only in certain parts.
Only in the urban parts.
Is there whitetail.
Yeah.
Outside of that, they haveblack tail, which if you've never
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hunted blacktail or seen ablacktail, they're crazy.
They're like whitetail.
They're, they're youreveryday, you know, everyday deer.
But what they do is you, youcan't watch a blacktail hunting video
because they're so boring to hunt.
Right.
Like they don't do anything.
They see someone, they droplike that's, that's what they do.
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They just lay down.
But Origin has Roosevelt elk,which are larger, usually by like
couple hundred pounds thanColorado elk.
Right?
Yeah.
So they're a heavier, heavierelk out there.
The, the rack's not nearly as large.
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But what I absolutely loveabout it is that you're not hunting
at altitude.
You're hunting at 2,500ftabove sea level, which is nothing.
You're not hiking the Rockiesat 14,000 or 11,000ft.
Struggling to breathe.
No, I'm going to go out thereand hike a mountain fucking shooting
elk at 2,000ft above sea level.
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Good point.
And that so trying to convincemy buddies, I'm like, dude, not to
mention Oregon is one of thelast states that you can go out there
and buy over the counter tags.
That being said, please nobodygo out to Oregon to hunt because
I'm enjoying it.
But I mean that.
And you have deep sea fishingright off the coast.
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Yeah, yeah, that.
See next next year because.
Well, this year we're hunting Indiana.
Yep.
Next year I want to hunt likeIllinois, Wisconsin, Ohio.
But if I can convince thewife, I would take a trip to Texas
for axis deer.
Yep.
Oregon out there for some elk.
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Or to go down to Tennessee to hunt.
Maybe Missouri.
Missouri wouldn't be bad.
Yeah.
Next year I want to take likea, like a good state.
Now if you take a two weekvacation, you can hunt archery in
Kansas one week.
So where I. I used to huntKansas and Missouri whitetail when
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I was in station in FortRiley, Kansas and Missouri flip flop.
One week on, one week off forarchery season.
So I would hunt Archery 1wheat in Missouri or in Kansas.
The next week would be inMissouri and it's right across the
river.
Awesome time.
I like that idea actually.
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Yeah, it works out great,especially for the states.
You know, I mean that'd belike if we had Indiana tags and archery
started October 1st here.
Well, that started as offsetat a week in Indiana.
Right.
Got some options there.
Yeah, not bad.
Not bad.
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Well, Johnny, going an hourin, I think it was time to wrap it
up for tonight.
Are we gonna do the rapid fire?
Nah, I don't give a.
What I think, right?
No, man.
This has been a fun show, dude.
We went from not having a deskor from having a desk to having them
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have a family emergency tomaking what I think has been a pretty
decent episode.
Yeah, I mean, we're good at scrambling.
That's what we're.
I mean, with your pastexperience, my past experience and,
and work and line of work, Ithink that's what put us up for success
of being able to think quicklyon your feet and boom, boom, boom.
We adapt, we overcome.
And what's more mind bogglingis we have people who want to hear
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it.
We have awesome people thatwant to listen to what we have.
I know, dude.
People want to actually listento what I have to say, which is still
crazy to think about.
And we have.
We get the amazing guests thatcome on the show.
Don't get me wrong, Hayden'sgonna be a great guest.
Oh, for sure.
Some amazing things that wewere going to talk about.
Just unfortunately we said hehad some, some Family emergencies
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that come up like legit last second.
So our prayers go out to themto make sure everything's going okay
and we're gonna hopefully getthem set up.
I will say this though.
So on our Tuesday show we'regetting, we're basically getting
rid of the date topic typeshows where we get a guest that lives
and hunts and stats, stufflike that.
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We're kind of figuring outwhat we want to do with that exactly
anymore necessarily get rid ofit or how we want to set it up.
But this Tuesday show comingup, nothing hunting related.
I mean we might dabble intohunting, but we're just going to
talk about the most random offkiltered, like I can't wait.
It's just gonna be likewhatever you want to talk about.
(01:02:03):
It's just gonna be a fun likecomedy type laidback show.
Like what do you, hey Johnny,do you think 100 men could take on
a silverback gorilla?
And just this, that type of.
It's gonna be like a fun likeargument type show.
That's what Tuesday show isgoing to be about.
And that's why I think, that'swhy I think everyone out there listening
to the show, at least everyonethat I talk to that listens to their
show.
Like we just do most offkiltered random and we do a lot of
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things differently.
We're not a show for everyonebut for the people who like us.
Dude, we're your show.
That's all it is.
Yeah, we're the show for theeveryday bow hunter.
For everyday Hunter.
That's it.
Because every, every day redneck.
Because I'm still.
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I know I did that episode ofWhite Trash Advantage.
But yeah, we're your.
We're the.
If anything you wanted tolaugh, tune in, check us out.
That's it.
Yeah, we're gonna try andfigure out how we're gonna do the,
the, the White Trash Advantage show.
Ah, we'll figure it out, man.
We'll figure that out.
Because we heard, we actuallyheard a lot of good combat comeback
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or feedback.
That's what I was looking for,feedback on that one show that you
did do.
I, I was impressed.
I had fun.
Yeah.
And yeah, that was awesome.
So we're gonna, Johnny and Iare gonna talk it out more on how
we exactly want to set that up.
Stuff like that.
But with that being said,that's gonna include an episode of
the Whitetail Advantage podcast.
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