Ep 164 / The Archery Chronicles: Andrew Saludez's First Steps into Hunting

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage Podcast with.
Your host, Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.

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All right, welcome to theWhitetail Advantage podcast.
We got our.
Our little bro Deuce herebelow me here.
Brett.
Hey, I need you to go aheadand change that intro from host from
Brett Bovin to tonight'sspecial guest host, me and future
full time host Brett.
So, okay.
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast, guys.

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I'm your host, John.
We have Brett Sprotch andsomeone I have been following for
a while, Andrew.
Andrew, go ahead and introduceyourself, brother.
What's going on, guys?
I am probably the leastdeserving person to be here.
Been hunting for not long atall, and apparently you guys just
invited me on, so we'll seehow this goes.

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This is going to be.
This is going to be interesting.
I feel like I have very littleto contribute to this conversation,
so my whole aim is to learnfrom you guys.
If I can do that for the nextlittle while, that'll be dope.
But you'd be surprised what wecould learn from anybody, to be honest.
I mean, especially Brett.
Well, yeah, there's brat, youknow, but I don't shy from learning

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from anybody, no matter howlong the experience is, because I
found guys that have littleexperience have found tips and tricks
that I never even thought of.
That's a brown nose enhancer.
You lived hard.
Look at that.
You're gonna have to scrapethe brown.

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So anyways, what I was going to.
Say is that the newer.
You're not a golfer, are you, Andrew?
The newer.
Thank God.
Perspective.
I will bring them back in.
Hold on.
All right, there we go.
Brett, can you hear me now?
No, it must have been amiscommunication on your line, Brett.
You got to go.
Safe space.
You got to go for your safe space.
Yeah, the golf course.

(02:08):
And he's muted again.
I will bring him back.
Bring him back, Jack.
He's.
He's back.
All right, Andrew, enoughgoofing around.
You know, this is what we doon the show.
We just torment Brett and give him.
So if you have any gingerjokes that you want to get out anytime
throughout the show, just feel them.
Oh, I got.
I got some ginger conspiracies.
We can talk about the nephilim.

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You got.
Now, let me say this.
People talking at the same time.
Who am.
I'm like, my ADD is trippingout right now.
We're going to do, like aclassroom where one of you, like,
raises your hand.
Then I know.
We do that.
We do that.
Go ahead and give us one of yours.
Okay, so Nephilim, right?

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Genesis 6.
Fallen angels took wives,found the daughters of man attractive.
And what's crazy is when youlook at the lore all over the globe,
they all have this lore of giants.
And very, very frequently, youknow, these giants that they say
they uncover, they're, they'rered haired.
And so you can do with thatwhat you will.
I know there's some stories,but I think it was Kandahar.

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There's a giant story thatthey tell where there's, you know,
in the caves, in conflict,they, this guy was getting people
and sure enough, ginger.
So time and time again, youknow, how many times does it have
to happen for it to besomething you start to maybe consider
believe?
So I don't know.
It's weird stuff.
We also weird.
We also had another host whoon the other podcast with tell Brett

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that gingers are also black people.
So Brett is considered black.
I'm not touching that one from the.
Waist up.
That'S for sure.
All right, so Andrew, you'renewer to hunter hunting, just picked
up archery.
What made you go into archery hunting?

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So for me, I got, I'm very blessed.
There's this group of guys,there's a ranch over here, and I've
been going on these hog hunts,kind of like a pay to play sort of
service.
But it's this really, reallyawesome ranch they got.
It's Florida.
There are hogs and they feed them.
You know, they got theircamera up and been enjoying that
pursuit.
And then they were like, hey,why don't you come, you know, let's
try to try to kill a deer.

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And so they have cull bucks.
There was a sick buck andthat's, that's the, the head behind
me.
It was just, it needed to go.
It had, you know, got injuredat some point and clearly wasn't
going to make it.
So they just invited me ontothis journey and onto this process.
And on our podcast, Ninjas areButterflies, we were just doing like
New Year's resolutions, right?
And so the resolution I made,I was like, I just want to kill a

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mature buck and I want to belike a part of the process because
it's a totally differentexperience to like hand somebody
a check and then walk to theirstand or to their feed or whatever
it is.
And I wanted to be fullyimmersed in the process.
Well, this guy in Texas, JacobPatek, he sends me a dm.
I've never talked to this human.
I don't know this man at all.

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And I get some weird DMs fromsome weird people.
But this dude sent me a photoof a fully mature buck, and he was
like, this.
This deer is like 8 years old.
He's like 7 to 8 years old.
And he went from 190 to 170 in.
In the span of a year.
And so they knew he wasdeteriorating, and they knew they

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wanted to.
To, you know, let this deerkind of let it go.
It was time to.
To.
To do something with it.
So they blessed me with it.
And so this is a really longway of answering your question, but
I showed up the buck on the thumbnail.
That's the buck that I wentout there, and I can tell that whole
story later if you want me to.
But it was.
It was such a cool experience.
But even in taking that deer,I felt like it was almost too easy.

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And so I started talking tosome other guys from another podcast,
and they hunt completely primitive.
And I was sitting around acampfire with these dudes shooting
stick bows, and they're like,I haven't killed anything really
since hype other than that.
And I mean, just hearing that,sitting around that fire, I was like,
I want to be able to say that.
I wanted people to say I did it.
And so I just got fullyobsessed, man.

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The guy recommended, he waslike, start with the cheap one.
Get on Amazon.
There's some stuff to, youknow, figure it out.
You like it?
And he used to work at a bow shop.
Expanded Perspectives is his.
Their podcast.
And so he just recommendedsome stuff.
Got me, and next thing youknow, I've got, like, three different
targets in the backyard atdifferent distances.
Why are more and more Amazonpackages showing up?

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And so had to tell her, I'msponsored by Amazon to get away with
it, but there you go.
Not true.
But I just got.
I got obsessed, you know, and then.
And, you know, you startedsending me some tips on archery.
And so it's.
It's so cool.
The community in hunting, Iliterally picked it up and I was
like, I think I'm just gonnado this.
And next thing you know, I'vegot hunters from all across, literally,

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the nation and even.
Even further who were like,you should try this, or, this is
what's worked for me.
And it's just been fun going,you know, conversation to conversation,
and from each one, you pick upa little something different, you
know?
And so for me, it's just.
It literally is an obsessionat this point.
So it's fun.
It doesn't get any better,man, because.

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What you got mad respect forthe for starting out with the stick.
Foe.
I, Yeah, I gotta, yeah, I wantto tell, I've been talking too much.
I want to tell you guys a story.
I finally got to shoot at something.
But it's, it's cool, It's a,it's a cool experience.
Right on.
Yeah, it's, I think, I thinkout of all these, these dweebs here

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on this show with me, I thinkI'm the only one that's killed anything
with a recurve.
Okay.
Killed multiple with a recurve.
You have.
When were you going to tell me that?
We talked about this many a times.
I started out when I was a kidon a recurve.
We weren't.
All right, all right.
So Dave, Dave and I.
Well, Dave and I are from theolder generation.
They didn't really havecompound bows that were high tech

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when we started out.
So we both started outshooting recurve.
But I, I killed, I killed abuck with a bear super mag.
48.
Okay.
That was really cool, man.
I, I love doing it.
That's 48 the pound on, onthat model.
No.
48 is tip to tip on, on the recurve.
Okay.
Okay.
It's 60 pound right hander.
Okay.

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And it's, it's a sweet littlebow for a stand or a blind.
And man, it flings an arrowreally good, man.
£60, I'd imagine.
Yeah.
I, I, I show you.
It's downstairs in the living room.
But took it back out justmessing around with it.
This spring I was going toshoot a turkey with it, but I never
got around to doing it.
I shot one with the shotgunand that was it.
But so what, what recurve areyou using?

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I know you said you boughtthree or you, you got some cheapies
off of Amazon, but did youstep up and finally get a good quality?
So I bought a samick sage,which bang for buck is, I mean, it's,
it's remarkable.
I'm in my backyard.
I mean I can group 6 inches at30 yards with it.
And so it's a 45 pound.
I'm a left hand shooter andI've, I'm consistent with it.

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And so I wanted my goal, I setsome goals.
I'm like set the goals andthen achieve the goals.
And hopefully, you know, Iwant to take ethical kills.
You can go out in the woodswith the stick bow if you don't know
what you're doing and just be dumb.
And I didn't want to be that guy.
So the goal was 30 yardsconsistent and then take a shot,
20 or less.
And so I started practicing.
And I mean, yeah, we chasingpigs before deer.

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That was also the goal.
Those things are hard to kill, man.
In the famous words of my.
One.
Of my favorite people, TedNugent, aim small, miss small.
Yeah, and, and you know, it's,it's, it's a whole new level when
you take up recurve hunting orlongbow hunting.
It's muscle memory to the T.Yeah, yeah.

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Shoot as much as you can,worry about your form and the accuracy
you'll follow, of course.
But dude, I'm telling you,when you're on fire and you finally
just feel that whole shotevery time you draw back, you got
that consistent snapshot andyou're letting go of that arrow and
you're hitting your target on,on point.

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It's fire, man.
It's just like you, you just,you're just on a whole nother level
when.
You, when you get out thereand you're closer.
Yeah, that's, that's one ofthe personal.
I mean, I heard the pig I shot.
I heard him breathingunderneath my tree.
It was like, you're up and personal.
And so I like that challenge too.
You can't.
It's easy to get within 150yards of a deer, you know, you see

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on another hill.
But you see carbon arrows.
Yeah, I've got.
I don't even remember whatthey are.
This Heritage, the, theHeritage Carbon Express.
They're like a wood grain.
They actually look like aregular wood grain arrow.
I got them from my recurve.
They look pretty cool.
I gotcha.
I forget what I was shooting,and I'm almost like I'm learning

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to fletch my own arrows anddoing all that.
There you go.
Good man.
And so I've got my, my every.
Everything's Amazon.
They literally should send me checks.
It's fine.
It's fine.
But yeah, I got this thingruined a bunch of arrows.
And so I bought a set that Ifound that was just already left
helical.
And yeah, those, I mean, they,they fly great.

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But good for you.
Good.
But it's, it's so cool.
It's.
I've literally just this frontroom, which is supposed to be my
wife's lovely, like, entrywayto our house has turned into my bow
room.
So there's, there's literally.
There's like my arrow cuttingstuff over here and the bows on the
wall and you know, all the other.
It'll get moved maybe.

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My archery shop has been infour different places in my house
right now.
I'm down in the basement now.
Hey, there you go.
And Dave lives in a trailer.
So how'd that work out?
I don't know.
Well, I got a hole dug in the ground.
Hole in the back.
Yeah.
I got an outhouse underground.
It's got one of them stormdrain doors.
He goes down underneath his trailer.
Yeah, it's bigger than my trailer.

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I love it.
All right, so, you know,you've been shooting a while.
We've seen all your videos onInstagram and stuff like that.
So what else are you doing toprepare for yourself for this season
to be successful?
Yeah.
Okay, so I got.
I really do have to shout out.
The kid's name is Trevor andhis buddy Kanan.
I didn't grow up with hunting,and so being my age, I'm 36 and kind

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of trying to jump into huntingin central Florida.
It's.
So everybody's already gottheir, you know, their.
Their properties.
It's all bought up.
And since real estatedevelopment is so huge, you're not
going to go anywhere around here.
Like, you know, 10 acres isgoing to cost you way over a hundred
grand, like anywhere in this area.
And so getting access to landis, like, is a challenge.

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And so my buddy Trevor and hisbuddy Kanan, they just literally
were like, hey, we got some properties.
And, you know, kind of inexchange for access to those properties,
and really it's not a fairtrade at all, but they're like, you
know, you can hunt these spots.
He's got access to a 16 acrethat he kind of.
It's not mine, but it's moremy responsibility taking care of
that.
And so I put a feeder out there.

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I've got a camera out there.
You know, I'm going out andswapping corn and doing a little
bit of recon.
And so he'll go out with me.
Like, we have a.
We have over a 300 pound pig,which it's 16 acres in the neighborhood.
So we don't know how on earth.
This dude is 300 pounds andstill kicking.
But I mean, the photos of him,I mean, his teeth are like wrapped
up around his head.
We're gonna try to try to gethim, but, you know, he took me in.

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We needed to.
To fix the feeder.
Squirrels had gotten to it.
But sorry, my neighbor's got aloud bike driving by.
But yeah, we went in and he'steaching me.
You know, we're like, we wentall the way back through the property.
We're looking at how thetracks go, trying to figure out how
is this animal coming in andcoming out?
You know, what's making himleave, what's making him come in,
where's he bedding?

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And so just the entire thinggetting ready.
I'm learning from one specific property.
But whenever I get to steponto another property, I'll go out
there and help them with stuffif they need help setting up a different
place.
But it's cool.
Every time go out to one ofthese places, you're like, oh, I
see this.
They didn't want to put thefeeder here.
They're thinking of when.
Right now it's prevailingsoutheast, but when winter comes,

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it's going to be northwest.
And so they're thinking, makesure that, you know, we got shooting
trees, depending on how it allswitches around.
And so for me, it's just, I'mtrying to take in as much as I can.
Pretty much every free momentI have, I'm running out to the woods
doing something.
So that's what I'm doing toget ready.
And then I try, I still try to shoot.
I've been pretty bad at it recently.

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Work's been crazy.
But for a long time I wasconsistent with the recurve at 100
arrows a day.
And then I just got a, a new bow.
I got a Hoyt.
What is it?
The red works, the RX4 carbonspeed bow.
And crank that, that thingdown to 70 pounds.
And going from a 45 poundrecurve to a 70 pound speed bow is
quite the, quite the difference.

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So not quite pulling thatthing a hundred times a day, but
I'm, I'm practicing.
So we'll, we'll be ready.
We'll be ready.
Good.
Your muscles, different partsof your muscles start getting sore
after you start using that.
The higher poundage bow.
I remember when I went.
Oh yeah, I bet.
I remember we, I went down toan archery school hosted by PSE2

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three years ago, somethinglike that now.
And everyone would go there,but they all had their target bows.
I was the only one there witha, with a hunting rig.
So we're all practicing like,all right, we're gonna shoot about
50 arrows today.
I'm like 50.
And don't get me wrong, I was,I was a lot, I was a lot more in
shape then and.
All right, I got 20 in the.

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All right.
I'm still, I'm feeling good.
Feeling a little tight though.
Got to 30.
I'm like, yeah.
Yep.
Nope.
That.
What, what pound bows do youguys draw?
I have a 70 pound Matthews baseboard.
Okay.
I shoot 70 I max it right out.
Okay, yeah, I got a 70 poundPSE omen, but I got her cranked down

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to 65.
Okay.
I've got a 65 pound Elite Erafor my whitetail bow up here and
then my out west bow is a 74pound carbon.
Elite air or not.
Yeah, the elite air.
Now, the competitive side ofme, as soon as I hear somebody say
they got me by £4, I'm like,I'm just gonna go twist my string,

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get to 75.
That's right.
Yeah, that was.
I was shooting a 65 pound bow forever.
And I was, I was shooting itjust fine.
I'm like, I'm gonna bump it upa little bit because, I mean, I've
had my shoulder worked on.
I've had four differentshoulder surgeries on it.
So I'm like, dang, feelingcomfortable with this.
I'm gonna bump it up to 70.
I wasn't with an 80 pound bow,but I was like, nah, I'm not doing

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that yet.
Yeah, that's gonna be my next bow.
I am gonna order 80 pound.
Mach 34 carbon.
Just go, just go 90.
Why not?
Yeah, don't be a fag.
Just go all the way out.
Go.
Balls the wall.
Brett's got us beat with thedraw on his crossbow.
What is it, like 140?
I'm pushing 200.

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I'm not, I'm not gonna touchthe crossbow debate.
Oh, we touch everything.
We put our hands and fingersin the fucking well.
Hey, that.
You don't want people clipping that.
It's been also.
Oh, someone will clip it.
I'm not really bad for Brett acouple occasions.
So now what all are youhunting down there in Florida now,

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Andrew?
Are you doing just pigeon whitetail?
So that's, that's what I havelike primarily have access to.
We have Osceola, turkey too.
And then, you know,everywhere's got squirrels.
But my targets right now, Iwant to kill a pig.
I was saying I want to killtwo pigs and then a doe before I
go after a buck with the recurve.
But I want to tell you, I'mgoing to jump into the story about

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the pig.
I shot a pig.
And man, we.
For an invasive species, thisis like the hardest thing I've ever
hunted in my life.
Like, it's insane.
We, I sat, I sat over fivetimes after like a pig was dialed
and then he just wouldn't come in.
And so I mean, long storyshort, we, we, we were gonna call

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off a hunt because one ofthose like crazy flora Storms came
in, I mean, just likeabsolutely lighting everything up.
And then we went and one ofthe guys is a lineman that I was
hunting with and he was like,actually guys, he was like, we're
right next to like a powerline area.
And he was like, I the safestplace for us to be because of the
way these, these lines work.

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He's like, we're gonna rideout this storm underneath the power
lines.
I was like, I was like, thisis, I mean it literally got hit while
we were sitting under it.
And I mean he wasn't wrong.
It hit it and sent itsideways, not down to us, but it's,
you know, like you hear aboutthese stories where like people don't
expect anything to happen.
Like we shouldn't have been inthe woods that day.
It was sketchy as heck.
But sure enough, we go up atree, we sit for like three hours

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and sunset is like, I think at8:25 or something like that.
And at 8:29 and last light,literally I look down, in eight yards
from my tree is this 200 pound hog.
And like second time I've beenup that tree, I have the recurve.
I mean everything is dialed.
And we had the mosquitoes inFlorida swamp or I mean they'll pick

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you up, they'll pick you up.
It's been there, done that.
Don't want to do it ever again.
No, it's.
It's insane.
They make fun of me.
I basically wear like a, youknow, like a lunch lady hair net,
but I pull it over my face andI've got like a shooting glove.
And then I wear like a winterglove and I just like tuck in my,
in my saddle.
I'm like.

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But so the pig walked out andI'm like fumbling with the thing,
I'm trying to pull it off ofmy head.
My buddies are like, he'sright under you.
What are you doing?
I'm like, I can't see becauseyou got an anchor.
And anyways, this is like awhole thing.
So he's eight yards away.
He turns off.
I mean he gave me the perfectquartering away.
He's about 10 yards when I,you know, launch the arrow.

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Man, I stuck that thing.
I, I sent it straight throughthe lungs and it didn't, I didn't
get a pass through.
But I think what it did is golungs and then stuck in the other
shoulder because I got a photoand there's maybe like 6 to 8 inches
of arrow hanging out of him.
But you know, on a 30 incharrow I shot a.
What is it?
Stinger.
Stinger with the little bleeders.

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I'm trying to remember thename of the.
The broadhead.
It's on Brett's shirt.
Yeah, that's a magnet stinger.
Oh, that's a broadhead, but,yeah, I.
Mean, I plugged it.
Warning.
That thing we tracked that pigfor, you know, on Onx.

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You know, you hit your startpoint and you start blood trailing.
I mean, pretty much 10 yardsfrom where I shot him, he's already
dumping, like, blood with bubbles.
I mean, perfect lung blood.
Exactly what you want to see.
And we're going through the swamp.
1.23 miles.
We blood trail, and he's dumpdumping the whole way.

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We get to the end.
We get to the end of this, andthere's a puddle.
And I'm talking two hours of trailing.
We're like.
Because it's Florida swamp, soit's not even a trail.
It's.
Hurricanes have blown treesover, and then it's overgrown with
weeds.
So there are parts of thistrack when me and my buddies are
hands and knees, just with alight down a tunnel, like, literally.

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And made sure the guy with thegun was in the front because you
never know when the pig'sgoing to double back.
That's sketch, man.
Oh, it fully was.
I almost stepped the last timewe were out there.
I came this close, like,literally six inches from stepping
on a pygmy rattlesnake.
Like, this is.
This is Florida.
And so anyways, we get twohours in 1.23 miles, we get to a

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clearing, and he clearly,like, was crashing through and then
stopped bleeding the whole wayand left a puddle of blood.
And then that was it.
We spent 30 minutes gridsearching, and I do not understand
how a pig can run or walk, butbleed for 1.23 miles with lung blood
the whole way and still haveit in him to get somewhere where

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we can't find him.
So that was my first.
I know he's dead.
There's no way something lostthat much blood and kept going.
But that's my first.
I'm gonna call it a kill, butdidn't recover.
So it's my first kill and myfirst heartbreak.
All in.
My first.
My first time up a tree with a bow.
My first shot.
So.
Dang.

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I'm.
I'm gonna pull up a photo.
I hope it's gonna translatewhen I put it up on the screen, but
it's cool.
But, man, I have a questionfor you.
When.
When you.
Yeah, no, I. I can sometimesdo Two things at once.
So you.
You don't have really anyhunting mentors in your family or
friends.
Like, I mean, you know,growing up talk, teach you.

(22:41):
Correct.
I grew up in, you know,Destin, Florida.
Fort Walton Beach.
Destin, Florida.
It's like the panhandle.
They call it, like, theluckiest fishing village in the world.
Anyways, all my buddies fish,and I fished.
And so my weekends were always fishing.
So I was always, like, adj.
Guys who did.
But, yeah, I was on the wateror I was, like, fishing.
I wasn't.
I wasn't hunting.
So I was around it, but it wasnever, you know, something that I

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really went and did.
I guess the point with that isbecause if you.
In my opinion, if you don'thave a hunting mentor to teach you
those downfalls in hunting,like, how to cope with it and mentally
get over it, because it is amental with your brain, like, it
will, like, tear you down.
Like, basically get to thepoint where you just want to quit

(23:26):
hunting in general as a newperson in hunting.
You also recurve hunting your brand.
Like, you're like, I commendyou for that because you don't hear
a lot of people going straightin archery.
Brand new, with no huntingmentors, really, and let alone going
into recurve.
Everyone's getting, like, highcompounds, like, the new traditional
type stuff.
How did you overcome adversitylike that and.

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And cope with that type of mentality?
Because you really kind of hadto do it on your own in a sense.
I mean, so.
So Trevor is the guy who tookme out to that property, and he's
been.
He's been the whole way.
Like, this is something that happens.
He's like, I told you when youstarted this, it's called the struggle
stick.
And, you know, there's.
There's other dudes Cam fromthat other podcast, and he's been

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talking to me, and he's like.
He's like, dude, I've lost him too.
And so I think really, it'sthe community that helps you cope.
Like, I'm like, sending, like,here's the photo.
If you can see where thatarrow is, you can see just the tail
of it.
Oh, man.
But I mean, it's right behindhis shoulder, straight through his
lung.
It's the shot you practice for.
And so I sent.
I sent that photo and videosand photos of all the blood to everyone

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I know who does hunt.
And every one of them's like,good shot.
Welcome to bow hunting.
They're like, it's gonna eat you.
Alive, but especially onsomething like a pig.
You know, one of the guys,he's in Texas and he's like, he's
like, dude, the vitals on thatthing, you're basically trying to
hit a softball.
And he was like, he was like,so the fact that you did hit it with

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a 45 pound bow out of a treelike, you know, your first time,
he's like, good job.
But it's like you don't.
People lose stuff in Floridaall the time just because it's like,
unless you put a really goodshot, you know, stuff disappears
in Florida.
A lot of guys shoot like MegaMeats and stuff like that because
it just opens them up.
Like compound wise, open stuff up.

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But so everybody was kind of,you know, everyone had their story
and I think that's probablythe more comforting thing.
If I was like the only dudewho shot something and lost something,
I'd be pretty defeated.
But a couple weeks incommunity and you kind of get over
it.
I guess I'm really not over it.
I'm on Marketplace like everyother day looking for a four wheeler
so I can go tramp around andfind the skull.

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Oh, my arrow never fell out.
That's the other thing in themiddle of.
That's why I think it wentthrough both sets of ribs or something
was like in his shoulderbecause it never pulled back out.
But it was, the trail was tinyand so he was slapping that arrow,
just cutting everything up thewhole time.
But you know, without arecovery, how are you gonna know?
Pigs have a hardened shell,like armor.

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It's like an armor plate theycall it.
And you being, you know,shooting a 40 pound bow, it's amazing
you had blood.
I'm surprised the arrow gotinto where it had to get into.
And get enough lung vital, youknow, blood down on the ground.
That's, that's a, that's agood deal.
You got them on a, probablylike a quartering way angle or something
like that.
Oh yeah, they, I mean, theycoach the guys who kind of walk with

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me, but they coached me.
They were like not onlyquartering away, wait for that front
leg to step out and they'relike, it's going to open up a soft
spot.
And I drilled him.
I mean I, I did what I shouldhave done.
But that's cool, that's cool.
What you gonna do.
Happens to all of us and not killing.
Yeah, it happens to all of us.
And anybody that says, oh, Inever wound anything.

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You're full of.
Yeah, I used to say that whenI was only a rifle hunter because.35
Remington packs a hole at 50 yards.
But my favorite gun, beencarrying it since I was 12 years
old.
Heck, yeah.
But I just switched up tothe.45 70 this year, so I'm going
to blow a bigger hole and stuff.
I'm going to try to downsize.

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I wasted too much meat on thatbig buck I shot.
I shot that.35 Remington and Iwas a little more forward than I
should have been, so I tookout way too much shoulder.
But that's.
Yeah, it's good for that.
It's good for that.
Now what are you, what areyour whitetails like down there in

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Florida?
I know dogs with hooves.
Yeah, I mean that right, that right.
There, that's a good one fordown there.
No, they got.
If you know where, if you knowwhere to go.
You know, there's, there'speople who are.
I, I think it's, you know,there's a difference between, like,
how you mean that question.

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North Florida is basicallyAlabama and you got bucks.
Like, I've seen, you know,well over 150 inches go down if you
know where to go or, you know,a family's owned a property for a
while and managed it.
Well, we have real deer.
But when you're talking aboutpublic land where, you know, I think
Florida laws, it only has tobe like 10 inches a side or like
three points aside orsomething like that.

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And man, they got, they letpeople run dogs over here and, you
know, not saying that's greator not, but when pretty much everything
is chased by dogs, it justcompletely changes what the animal
is going to look like.
So you got to be willing totrudge through some stuff and have
the time to spend a couple ofdays doing it before you're actually
going to find a deer that, youknow, anyone from any state would

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want to kill.
Now your season is opening uppretty soon, right?
September, I think.
September 14th.
Yeah.
Is it okay?
And even I think, I thinksooner in south Florida.
I know they've already gotsome bucks.
I've seen videos of some buckschasing does already.
South Florida is weird.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I think south Florida opens inlike mid July or something like that.

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It's something like that.
Yeah.
I think.
Isn't Florida one of thelongest running seasons throughout
the country?
I mean, they run into January.
I know that.
I know that for sure.
So September to January at least.
Maybe I know you're Floridathen, but I know I know some state
down south.
I thought it was Florida runfrom like September to July.

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March.
Dang I think that's what itseemed like.
I must be wrong.
I'm so wrong.
But so that, that could be askewed statistic and I'm just talking
out of left field right now.
But it could be like, itstarts so early down, way down south,
and then North Florida is likemore on like, I think they rut in
like January.
And so North Florida might bea totally different thing.

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But is that even fair?
It's like a 15 hour drive fromone end to the other.
So, I mean, you know, you're,you're going through some climate
changes for sure.
I don't know if it's fair tocall it the same season.
Right, Absolutely.
Man, that's, that's crazy.
Fifteen hours in the samestate and it's Florida.
There's no elevation.
Elevation change.

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Oh yeah, i10 sucks.
I10 to I or to 75 to i10 is,is the worst.
It's pine trees.
And man, you go through some.
Y' all heard of the villages?
Oh, yeah, I've been there.
That's a sketchy, weird.
One of the village people.
Of course.

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My grandparents, they, theyhad a retirement home there for a
long time until they got ridof it and got their own different.
They moved it to a differentplace down there.
Retirement home until theyretired from a retirement home to
another.
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
The traffic that comes out ofthose retirement communities gets,

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gets gnarly.
You'd be doing 70, 80 milesdown the highway and then next thing
you know, someone rolls out at45 miles an hour and I drive a Jeep.
So it's sketchy.
Especially at 1:30 becausethey're going to have dinner.
Yeah.
Party.
This question is completelyout in the field, but how does it

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feel to be living in a statethat's a retirement state?
You know, it's.
I, I mean, I don't know, it'slike anywhere.
I don't know.
I'm just curious because herein Michigan, people don't come to
Michigan to retire.
People go to Florida, retire,they go to Arizona, retire.
Texas.
I got you.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's pretty like thethings that I do and the things that

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I'm into, like, I, I neverreally overlap, like when I'm driving
homes, when I deal with that.
But I got a straight shot tothe woods and a straight shot to
the beach.
So for me it's pretty standard.
But.
But yeah, they help, they helpdrive real estate value up, that's
for sure.
See, my, my younger sister,when we were younger, she Hated old

(31:46):
ladies, hated grandmas.
She'd be making those jokeslike, oh, let's run over the old
grandma.
I'm slow as shit.
Geez.
Yeah, my sister was dark, man.
All right, so last.
Last week, we did a little oddepisode, and we were talking about
conspiracy theories and stuff.
Right?
Let's go.

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Yeah.
Now we're talking.
Okay, this is where I'mstepping it up here.
All right.
Last year here in Michigan, wegot hit hard with ehd, like chronic
wasting disease, right?
They blame it on the warmerweather and the flies.
Now, I brought it up to Brettlast week.
I'm like, well, it's.
It's.
To me, that's not right.
Florida has extremely muchwarmer weather.

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It's a more humid environment,and there's no CWD or EHD in Florida.
Now, have you.
Have you guys noticed thatbeing boots on the ground, any EHD
or chronic wasting disease or anything?
No, I haven't seen any.
I got, like, a buddy of mine,he has a.
He has a lease in Georgia.
And I know it's like, becauseGeorgia has it, which, you know,

(32:50):
one state away, it can be.
It's pretty.
Like the law is about, like,if you harvest the deer up there,
I mean, it's got to beprocessed before it comes across
the border.
So, I mean, I don't knowanything about its transmission.
I haven't seen.
I literally haven'texperienced any of that.
Haven't seen anyone, you know,even, like, rumors.
Haven't heard of it being around.

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So knock on wood.
It's not something we deal with.
Oh, absolutely.
So I was looking into it,right, because there's this huge
conspiracy in the huntingcommunity that it's made from insurance
companies.
Huh.
So, yeah, it's like theinsurance companies created EHD to
kill more deer so they don'thave to pay that much in car insurance

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claims.
Now, if you look at where the deer.
Where EHD hits the deer most, right?
Michigan, we have one of thehighest insurance claims in the.
In the entire state.
Then you look at other placeslike Missouri and Kansas and Nebraska,
all these.
I don't.
I don't know what it is, butall these states that have really
bad EHD cases every five tosix years have the highest insurance

(33:58):
claims for deer car collisions.
That's interesting.
Is there any point.
Do you start.
Start seeing a correlation?
Yeah, correlation andcausation, right?
Like, that's.
That's the debate.
I'm curious, is there any,like, have they found, like, anything
weird with, like, wasting.
Chronic wasting diseases oranything that would make people assume

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it wasn't something thatnaturally developed?
Or is it all just thecorrelation of the, you know, the
accident?
So every.
A lot of it has.
So once you start getting cwd,or chronic wasting disease covered
by the media, then that's whenjust everything goes wild.
And that's when they'll.
They'll make the, you know,the claim that, oh, well, EHD is

(34:43):
really hitting our deer herdpopulation hard this year.
And net stories, miraculouslyis, oh, car and, you know, car collisions
in the US killed X amount of people.
And then it just goes hand in hand.
At least here in Michigan.
I gotcha.
And then, like, we were.
We had this running joke lastweek on the episode where it was

(35:04):
really Jake from State Farmrunning around the woods, sprinkling
like EHD dust on all the deer feet.
Like, yeah, yeah, that has tobe it, because there's.
How big a deal is it up there?
Like, is it.
Is it everywhere?
Like, when you.
When you're in the woods, youguys see.
See deer that, you know, gotit pretty much every season.
So last year was really bad inmy area.

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And there's.
There's farmers findinghundreds of deer in ponds.
No, so.
And not like hundreds of deerin an entire season, but like, you
know, 45 deer on a Saturday.
Then on a Wednesday, there'dbe another like, 23.
And it was like every coupledays they're just piling it up.
So it.
It hits fast then.

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Yeah, it hits fast and hard.
Geez.
It's a mid fly.
It's a mid fly that bites themand it introduces the bacteria into
their system.
They end up running a high,super high fever and they seek out
water because they know theygotta lay in the water to cool off.
And when it hit here up in NewYork where I am, we were out setting

(36:10):
up tree stands, and I'm like,God, the wood stinks like holy hell.
And I remember somebody sayingto me, they had some cases ehd, but
I thought it was just bull crap.
Yeah.
My brother and I startedwalking around, dead buck, dead doe,
dead buck, dead doe.
I'm like, oh, no.
And then it started, like,wherever there was water, they were

(36:32):
finding deer just floating inthere, all rotten out and everything.
The wood stunk so bad overwhere I grew up, I didn't even hunt
it that year.
You could.
And there was no point becausethey were just dead.
It was like Jonestown.
They're gone now.
It.
It doesn't transmit to.
To humans, right?
No, no, no.
But it's.
But it's also not the typething you want to chance either.

(36:55):
Like if you guys shotsomething and you're like, oh, that
has it.
Are you eating it?
Chances are you're not goingto shoot it.
Chances are you're never goingto get the deer to shoot the deer
that has it.
Okay.
I think it's like within 24 to48 hours they're dead.
Wow.
Yeah.
Because basically what it, itgets into their system and that's

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why the other version of it iscalled the blue tongue disease.
Because it makes them feel so dehydrated.
That's why they go to water toseek out.
And then once they startdrinking it and then they like basically
drown themselves, then theylike zombified themselves.
It just sinks into them andjust decomposes from within, from
the inside out of them.

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That's insane.
I've seen pictures.
I had a buddy actually nearJohn where John hunts.
He found I think he said 60within a square mile on his property
that he was hunting on.
Gosh, man, I can't imagineputting in the time to build up a
herd or whatever and thenwatching it go through and end all

(37:57):
that work.
I had a buddy.
Yeah, speaking that.
A buddy that's probably aboutseven miles south of where I hunt
and he, he has about 200 acresto form and let deer grow up and
do his thing.
Anyways, he's had, he hadabout five mature deer going into
last year and two of them hadsome amazing drop times.

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They're 11 point, 12 point bucks.
Beautiful deer.
Easily was scored 190 plus.
Come to find out they diedfrom EHD.
He spent five years lettingthem like giving them food and stuff
like that.
Yeah.
How do you feel about like allthe testing they do like in Texas?
So where I went and hunted,there's like a bunch of high fence

(38:39):
places and apparently Texasgovernment, they don't care that
it's high fence.
They'll literally come in andjust say we're testing that deer.
At least this is what I was told.
I don't miss anythingofficial, you know what I mean?
But they literally came on andapparently just like took one of
these like trophy bucks andthey like, like that's ours.

(38:59):
Literally shot it, tested itand we're like, buck's gone.
Thanks for that.
He doesn't have it.
You guys heard any of that?
Any stories like that?
Is that just Texas or is it pretty?
No, that happened up here as well.
Because there's a lot of deerranches up north and one of the main
ones that I've been to Oncethey, they had that happen a few

(39:20):
years ago and you pretty muchhave to start the whole herd over
again.
And they'll come in and, youknow, they'll euthanize all the deer
or all the, all the barks andthen start all over.
That's so crazy, dude.
But hey, brother, I have toget ready to go real quick, so I'm
gonna let these other yahoostake over.
It's great to see you guys andI will talk to you all later, brother.

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All right, Johnny, good nightfor me.
Will do, man.
Yeah, he was boring.
He really is boring.
No, I want to, I want to askyou guys because I, I want to, I
want to feel like I'm not alone.
You guys said, you know, youguys have.
Have shot.

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Have shot and, and had to, hadto swallow the, the pill of not locating.
Like, like, tell me what'sthe, what's the one that got away?
I want to hear that story.
Oh, the ghost, the Magic 8Ball for me.
What's that, man?
So I was probably 17 years old.

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This would have been mybiggest deer.
I think he would have scoredthe time 135 plus.
And he was a beautiful brownchocolate antlers, eight point buck.
Typical.
Beautiful, beautiful deercomes right in front of me, shot
him.
And I now knowing I hit him inthe no man's land right, right below

(40:45):
its spine.
And we were tracking him,tracking him.
And then my dad was obviously,he had more experience obviously
than I did.
And we were tracking him andhe's like, right, that deer is gonna
live.
And we just kept going andgoing and I was just turning like
a little freaking baby of that deer.
I swear.
We tracked a good two days.
We're like hoping that like hewould do it because he did show signs

(41:08):
of like, all right, there'sgood blood here and there.
And then it just turned out tobe nothing.
And next thing you know, we'reall the way on the other side of
two properties over and crap.
We're like, yep, this, it's done.
Yeah, it still haunts me this day.
And I'm the type of hunterwhere I'm going to push the limits
with my shot and shotplacement because I trust in what

(41:29):
I do and I trust in my processand stuff like that, my equipment.
But sometimes shots are goingto happen.
You're going to.
Something's gonna up and stuff.
That's just hunting.
Yeah.
And yeah, that I sit up atnights a lot for a lot of the deer
that I miss.
But that one sure as heck,yeah, that one man.
That would have been anamazing deer to actually have and
put up in my wall or just have.

(41:50):
That was amazing.
Yeah.
How far was the shot?
20 yards.
Dang.
Yeah.
That's what made it, like.
It was like a chip shot type layup.
Yeah.
Shot for me.
And I just.
I think it was because it wasjust the sheer beauty in the deer
itself.
Yeah.
I never saw a chocolate antlerdeer like that.
Never saw the size.

(42:11):
The body size of a deer like that.
Right.
And everything about that wasjust making me.
And honestly, I'm sure Daveand squatch contest at that young
age.
Even still these days, I stillhave my heart beating on my chest
like it's my first time doing it.
But at that young age, I can'tcontrol it that way.
Well, do you guys have systemsthat you put in place to, like.

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Like, for instance, when I wasflying to Texas, Going after a particular
buck, and I, like, I spentthree days at the range, I spent
more money on ammo than I didmy Texas hunting license.
Just being sure that I was,like, ready to go with this rifle.
But my.
The method I came up with, Iwas like, I know if I look at his
rack, like, the guy going withme, it's their ranch, so he's not

(42:53):
going to tell me shoot on someother deer.
I wasn't worried at all aboutstuff studying and, like, can I,
can't I situation.
So I knew, like, if he saysshoot, that's the shot.
And so I had determined andwas literally just, like, visualizing.
I was like, I'm just gonna,like, hyper focus on his armpit,
and I'm gonna look for detailsin his fur.

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Like, it was just, like, aweird thing that I did for my head.
Just so that I wasn't thinkingabout the size of the buck, the size
of the rack.
Like, that was, like, how Igot myself past the, like, you know,
buck fever jitters or whatever.
Do you guys have anything thatyou do to try to, like, lock in when
you need to make a shot?
I'll say mine first.
I don't.
I know mine's.

(43:34):
I've got mine down.
Is I taken that first momentof, like, oh, that's mature deer.
I want to take that deer.
And then it turns into, allright, turn.
I turn like, tactical mode onof, like, all right, I don't need
to kill this thing.
And I started figuring out theprocess of it of, like, all right.
And planning that out.
Because when I'm in.
Out in the stand, I tell thisto everybody.
Don't just sit out There.

(43:55):
Yes.
Sit out there and enjoy beingout in the woods, but also sit out
there and think of scenariosof, like, all right, if a deer comes
from this way and he doesthis, what am I going to do in this
type of situation?
Constantly thinking ofdifferent scenarios.
But then, like I said, once Isee that deer, I just turn into a
different switch of, allright, tactical mode.
Now I need to kill this thing.
What do we need to do?

(44:16):
And do it.
Yeah, that just works for me.
Just switching that gear kindof so.
You'Re prepared for whereverhe walks in.
You've already played thisscenario, and so you're like, all
right, I know which, whichscenario this is.
It's time to execute.
Yep.
Well, no matter what deer itis of I've seen on camera or I haven't
seen on camera, I just takethat, like, quick second to just
enjoy the moment of, like, oh,crap, that's a beautiful deer.

(44:38):
All right, now what do we needto do?
All right, he's right there.
All right, that's going towork out.
And do this.
Yeah, my.
My scenario starts when I. Iactually climb up in the stand and
it's dark and there's, youknow, nothing happening.
I. I start, like, I get in,like, a kill switch engage mode where

(45:03):
I just start running scenariosthrough my head.
I start playing ranges where Iknow I can shoot through my head.
Okay, is he going to come that way?
Is he going to move this way?
If he does, I have to get to there.
I have to turn the camera onat this point.
So a gazillion things runthrough my mind, but I also pray.
I take time and pray that theLord will bless me on that day and

(45:27):
bless my brothers on that day,that we will get a nice buck and
everybody will be happy.
And, you know, I leave it to God.
I don't, you know, people kindof like, just because you've been
around or you've shot somegood deer, I.
It.
It's all.
It's all a plan.
It has nothing to do with my knowledge.
It has nothing to do with howI hunt.

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God puts that animal in frontof me.
It's up to me to say thankyou, and then I'm gonna shoot that
animal and hopefully make agood shot on it and harvest it and
be grateful for the meat thatI feed my family with.
I. I look, I mean, you can seeover my shoulder, I shoot okay deer.
But, you know, it's.
It ain't even about that.

(46:12):
It's the time spent.
I'm not underneath somebody'sthumb beckon me to work.
Do this, fix this, do that.
I'm just with me nature andwith God.
We joke around.
We have a good time on thetext machine.
You know, we go back and forthand joke around, or we'll hit each

(46:33):
other up for some ideas and scenarios.
But my main focus is alwayswhat is the Lord going to place in
front of me today?
And am I going to be blessedto shoot and make a quick, clean
kill on that animal?
And sometimes it doesn't gothat way, and I get frustrated, and
I really question why it wentthat way.

(46:56):
And I had an instance where Ihit a deer really good with the bow
quartering away.
Make the long story short, Ihad deer search involved.
Couldn't find it.
It opened up deer season.
Three weeks later, that deerreappeared from the same place I
last saw it.
And I killed him with therifle, and I recovered six inches

(47:17):
of arrow out of him with thebroadhead still attached.
It ran down the rib cage.
Instead of going in the ribcage, it just scooted right outside
the ribs and went right in byhis armpit.
And that's why he was able to survive.
But that deer had no infection.
Crazy, nothing.
And the Lord let me have asecond chance, you know, to.
To get that shot on an animal.

(47:40):
Because in my walk, Iquestion, it's okay to question God.
You guys know that you don'talways have to say, well, you know,
that's.
You can question God.
He's used to it.
And I questioned him and Isaid, you know, I'm really aggravated
with you, Lord.
I said, you made me this thing.
I am.
I'm.
I'm.
I'm a freaking mountain man.

(48:00):
I'm a woods guy.
I love being out in the woods.
I love hunting.
I've done it since I was a kid.
Why do you make an animal suffer?
Why do you not let me get my trophies?
And he said, it's simple.
He said, if you follow me, allyour trophies will follow.
So if you give time, if youpreach the word, if you treat people

(48:21):
with dignity and respect, andyou try to help your brother, I think
we'll all be blessed with thetrophy that we need to get.
But it's still up to you tomake that crucial shot.
And sometimes we have the gooddays where you can't do anything
wrong.
And then there's those daysyou go, I don't understand what went
wrong.

(48:41):
I made a perfect shot.
Yeah.
And Dave, you know, these guyssaw it this year.
I smashed a buck, and I gothim on trail camera.
And he's hurt, and he's hyperventilating.
You can see his whole chestcavity just collapsing.
I showed these guys the gridthat me and my son made out there.

(49:02):
I covered over four miles.
We couldn't find him.
Dang.
And.
And I went, okay, I'm going togo out hunting tomorrow.
And I'm just totally.
Put this behind me.
Why?
It's not my fault.
I made a good shot.
I. I think I hit the deer good.
But it was God's will.
It wasn't my time to get that deer.

(49:23):
Now, if I came across him thenext day and I found him, okay, I'm.
I'm blessed that it was.
It happened.
But there's re.
I don't know what the reasons are.
Just like, you know, there's alot of unanswered things, why things
happen, but I am a guaranteedbeliever, and we've all experienced
it together here on this show.
And when we text, dude, I'mpraying for you.

(49:44):
Yeah, man, I'm praying foryou, too.
I hope you get them.
And then I shot, and they were like.
I knew it, man.
I knew it was this morning.
I knew you were gonna have success.
And it's.
It's like I said, man, there's just.
There's just more to it.
Deer hunting is deer hunting,but there's more to it.
There's a whole picture.
There's a whole meaning.
There's reasons why people arebrought together.

(50:05):
Why am I.
This dude from New York, assalty as I am, that hooked up with
three other guys out fromMichigan, and I'm on a podcast.
There is, you know, and I'm ona podcast, and I share stuff with
people.
I. I don't know.
I mean, maybe it's the whole plan.
Maybe that's why I was made todo what I do.

(50:26):
But that's all I can tell you, man.
My.
My thing is sit down, pray,and just, you know, be the best animal
you can be out there in thewoods just doing what you do, and.
And if.
If you're blessed, take it, man.
Run with it.
But always give the glory to God.
Yeah, I like that you go inthe woods with your piece instead
of trying to find it onceyou're up there.

(50:47):
That's good.
That's good.
I do want to take a second.
Let's all say hi to Michael,because he's just.
You're gonna keep crying pastyour bedtime, little boy.
It just.
Okay.
Yeah.
I was just gonna say, isn't italmost nine?
I know.
Now he feels better.
He Te.
He's texting in the commentssaying, hello.

(51:08):
You gonna answer me already?
We have a 15 year old boy thatstalks us.
We're ready, we're ready tocall the police.
But his dad's a cop, so he.
My buddy, my buddy in Texas isin the chat too.
Shout out Patek.
You want to see something?
You want to see some football highlights?
That guy played football forthe University of Hawaii.

(51:29):
Dudes.
Did he play with.
Please, please, please tell methat he played with Colt Brennan.
Yep, he played with Colt Brennan.
Yeah, yeah, he's from that era.
Brett's gonna have a man giveme his number.
He's coming on the show.
We're gonna make a full show.
Talking about that stuff right there.
Yeah, he'll.
He'll do it.
Jacob Patek, he is, he is a legend.

(51:51):
Super, super dope Christian dude.
And speaking about God, justhaving a plan for things.
I said I wanted to do it.
And you don't realize how badyou need the wood sometimes until
you're in the woods.
And, and both for him and I,you know, they extended, they handed
me that deer for free.
They were like, come out, we'dlove to hang out.
And he was like, if you canget here, he's yours.
And I mean the whole thing.

(52:11):
We, excuse me, we, we shotthat deer.
Long story short, got off the plane.
I get to his house at like 3o', clock, we're an hour away from
the ranch.
And he's like, let's just goout there.
I'm not sure.
And so this is February, like20 something.
Like you got to have likepermits for like ranch management
something or other.

(52:32):
Late, late, late season Texas.
And he was like, I haven'tseen him dude in like a week or two.
And he was like, he's like,the bigger bucks on a ranch have
shed.
And he was like.
So he was like, I'm tellingyou now.
He's like, we got some otherthings we can chase.
I'm not going to waste your trip.
But he was like, just, wehaven't seen this deer in a while.
He was chasing doe and thenhe's gone.

(52:55):
And I was like, oh man.
Like, you know, you kind ofmake us start making assumptions.
And I get off the, I literallyget off the plane, jump in the rental
truck, haul out to this place.
He's like, let's just go throwcorn and you know, maybe we can spook
something, see something likejust to kind of game plan for the
next day.
And we come around like thelast corner down the sendero and

(53:18):
that buck, he literally isjust like, stop.
He's like 300 yards away.
He's like, that's him.
And I mean, from 300 yards,I've got nothing.
I got no binoculars, nothing.
And I just see this halositting on top of the ridge.
That.
Excuse me.
The.
That buck is so tall.
Like, the rack isn't just wide.

(53:40):
It's like, it's insane.
I mean, he's.
He's like, he scored.
I mean, this is just aneyeball score, like unmeasured.
But they're guessing he waslike 170 inches.
And he broke off like threepoints and like some drop stuff.
And he was still.
He was still that big.
They thought they were givingme 170 inch deer.
And then when they startedlike looking at me like, I think
I just gave you what wouldhave been if he didn't break it,

(54:02):
like 180 inch buck.
But anyways, I'm rambling justbecause the dude's awesome and he
gave me an opportunity of a lifetime.
But he was like, I think, Ithink I was meant to put you on this
year.
I think you were meant to comeout here.
And you know, to my disbelief,he said I was a blessing to him too.
So it was a freaking radexperience for me.
And then when your firstmature buck, your first Texas buck

(54:23):
is 170 inch buck, you kind ofget hooked pretty easy.
Oh yeah, that's 170.
That's right.
I mean, that's.
I mean, this, this dude shotelk, mule deer.
He's.
I mean, he, he has every rightto look at something and call it.
But we didn't tape it.
We just brought it straight to taxidermy.
He's like, that's 170 inch deer.

(54:45):
So they scored at a 10 pointat the place when we dropped it off,
but that was with all the junkand broken stuff.
Not counted.
And so, I mean, the thing was,I mean, it doesn't look real.
I mean, to me, especiallycoming from Florida, I'm like, this
is an elk.
Yeah, this thing's huge.
But yeah, I'm hooked now.

(55:07):
Everything in Texas.
Everything's bigger in Texas, though.
I know.
That is.
You guys hunted south Texas?
No, no.
But if you ask Johnny, he'llsay that every two seconds that he's
going to Texas to hunt someaccess dudes.
He never shuts the fuck upabout it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, if you didn't know, he'salso going to Oregon to hunt some
help too.

(55:28):
Yeah.
That is so I, I don't want to,like, completely derail this, but
I'm learning from you guys.
I'm experimenting with arrows.
I got some warhead arrows, andthose things are great there.
I bought some of my own, andthen John and boy sent me some.
And I've been experimentingwith everything, like, literally,
like all over the place.
Different.
Different sizes.

(55:48):
I've got.
I'm curious.
Yes, sir.
What.
What are you shooting?
I'm shooting the reins, and Ishoot a 250, 11.5 grain per inch.
With the, the.
The outserts that are 95 grainplus my 100 grain broadhead.
It's about a 540 grain arrow.

(56:09):
Sure.
Yeah.
Well, I, I like kinetic energywhen I hit an animal.
Yeah.
Dave, my CO part here, he justhooked me up with CBE site, the tactic.
And I had about an inch and ahalf drop on that site tape from
20 to 60 with these arrows.

(56:31):
Now if I was worried about it,like I was shooting 3D, okay, I'd
shoot a little bit lighterspline arrow.
But most of my boat.
Most of my boat, from 20 to 60yards, inch and a quarter.
That's it.
Yep.
That's crazy.
My drop was.
My drop is way more than that.
Even shooting a lower.

(56:52):
You're.
You're misunderstanding me.
I'm sorry.
My.
My distance.
My distance.
If you took a mock tape, okay.
To figure out your thing.
So the distance on that mocktape was an inch and a half.
I got you.
I got you.
I got.
If I had to guess, I'dprobably drop six or seven inches.
Okay.
I was like, that has to be ahundred pound bow or something.

(57:16):
No, no, it's a Matthews.
It's a Matthew Z3.
70 pound bow.
And.
But I. I like the rain.
I've shot everything prettymuch Warhead.
I got Johnny on with Warhead.
I was, I was.
I was hooked up with Jason.
I went out to Ohio andactually hunted with the owner, Jason,
last year.
And, and.

(57:36):
And Quentin.
Quentin's now the field staff director.
I. I know both of those guys alot longer than most of these guys.
But, yeah, I took up Warhead.
I ran the Exothermics for a while.
Nothing wrong with them.
Love them.
Great arrow.
I just went to the marinesbecause I like the finish on the.

(57:58):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it has that.
That nice finish to it.
They're a little bit morestraighter and they're a tougher
arrow and I could get thegreen weight that I wanted.
But, you know, just like myrifles, I like kinetic energy.
I like stuff that hits hard and.
Yeah, you know, that's why Iwent down to the 250s, you know,

(58:21):
it's, it's.
I'm not worried about it.
I don't shoot anything outsideof friggin 30 yards anyway, so.
Gotcha.
Hit them, Hit them with a tonof power, you know, I mean, just.
Yeah, yeah, just mash them,you know, and, and I shoot wreck
broadheads.
This is the, that's the FX4.
Okay.
That I shoot.
They also make a really cool mechanical.

(58:43):
I'm a fixed blade.
I'm a fixed blade guy.
So I'm down with.
They're like a big, they'relike a big muzzy.
Like a muzzy on steroids, theway these are built.
But that combination with thewarhead and you know what's, what's
nice.
I had a couple issues with theglue that I was using to glue arrows.
Not only just on my arrows,but broadside ambush.

(59:04):
Frank, good friend of mine,did his arrows for him.
And the nice thing was Ipicked up the phone, it's a small
little hometown company.
And I said, excuse me, Jason,I got an issue.
Oh, you know, we had a problem too.
We got bad batches of glue.
I'll send you everything back out.
You know what, man?

(59:24):
I'd rather do business withthat than guessing games, you know,
or, you know, sorry, we can'thelp you if you got a problem, if
you got a question, you canreach out to them.
Yeah.
Or one of us.
And we can, we can, we cancorrect you, man, and help you out.
So my question for you,Andrew, is, is there anything that's

(59:45):
has you questioning right now,like, well, maybe I want to try this?
Not saying that we're expertsor anything is.
Yeah, well, here, I'll, I'mgonna grab my bow real quick.
Yeah.
So speaking of things beingordained, this was crazy.
It's a nice bow.
So this is the, the RX4, this thing.
And I just bought a cheap,cheap quiver just to shoot in the

(01:00:07):
yard.
I'm gonna get something alittle better.
This thing makes noise when Ishoot it, so.
Yeah, I'm not gonna keep that on.
Side note, I never shoot withmy quiver on when I'm in the field.
Really?
I do.
Mine's affixed to my bow.
I gotcha.
But yeah, so this is, this isthe setup.
And I literally just started looking.
I went and had a.

(01:00:27):
We just had a day.
A hunt didn't come through.
And rather than feeling badabout it, we were like, let's just
make the most of it.
We just started shooting 3D atthe ranch just to have some fun and
all the.
Like one of my buddies,Trapper, check.
He is, I mean an absolute killer.
Could have been a guide inAlaska, but decided wanted to do
some other stuff but I meanjust killed more bears than I can

(01:00:49):
count and is just a.
Is a freaking hammer.
Like he's one of the guys whoactually will get out of a john boat
and try to swim to shore withhis bow.
Military guy, kind of psychoin the head but in the best way.
And anyways he's like just astenacious shooting and so I'm with
all these dudes who areabsolute killers and I've got my
recurve and they're like, theygot a block target out at like 70

(01:01:12):
yards and they're you know,it's, it's one of the morell the
dice or whatever.
And each of the four dudespicks a circle out at like 65, 70
yards and they fill the circleand I'm shooting arrows like into
the sky trying to, trying todial it in and.
Right, right.
So anyways, so I got, Idecided to start looking and literally

(01:01:34):
the pawn shop down the streethad this bow and I'm not going to
tell you what I paid.
This is where I want yourexpert opinion.
What do you think?
I mean nothing wrong with it.
It's not scratched up strings.
Good.
I brought another buddy whoshoots and has been shooting forever.
I was like hey, you come lookit over.
As someone who has experience.

(01:01:54):
The RX, the RX4 Turbo RedWorks by Hoyt, came out in 2001.
What do you think a bow likethat should sell for with, I mean
with the stabilizers, theredline carbon stabilizers.
The basically everything onthat bow.
Every, everything.
I'm trying to remember whomakes this.

(01:02:16):
Did that bow come about in 2024?
No, no, not 2024.
2020 or something like that?
21 then.
That's right.
I think the turbo came out in 21.
But the, the RX4 came out.
I mean I'm not really.
Are we going the price of thenor the price of now?
Well, no, what I, I'm just.

(01:02:36):
Basically I'm trying to getfour gentlemen to.
I'd say 20, 20, 600 bucks theway it sits right now.
If you went out and bought it.
Brand new that way, what doyou think?
What do you think it's worthused now in perfect condition?
700?
Yeah, I'd say 650.
700.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know about that.

(01:02:57):
I.
So how, how so you have Areyou the second person that's owned.
You're the second personthat's owned it.
I'm sure that's what the pawnshop would have told me, but who
knows?
Good point.
And it came with a.
With a travel like a air likean airplane grade case.
It's a Hoyt, right?
It's a Hoyt.
Yeah.
Those bows are freakingexpensive out the water.

(01:03:19):
Yeah, but bows depreciate morethan anything on the planet, more
than cars.
I know that.
But you're gonna try and sellit as a. I'm gonna say you're probably
looking at a grand to 1500 bucks.
Okay.
So I saw.
I was seeing stuff on ebayaround a thousand and I got it for
700 bucks out of the pawn shopwith the case and all the stuff,

(01:03:40):
I felt like I was getting thedeal of a lifetime.
And the craziest part isbecause Hoyt runs the.
You have to change the mods tochange a draw length.
You can't just, you know,change it on your own.
You gotta have the mods.
And I learned that afterbuying it and was like, oh, no.
But literally took it in theyard, got myself.
I got a whipper snapper thumb button.

(01:04:01):
That's what I shoot.
But literally drew it back.
And it is literally.
My peep is set.
My draw length is right.
I was just like this wasfreaking meant to be.
So I literally had to donothing to it.
That's a good deal.
Like a golden.
Yeah.
You need to find those all.
You need to find those all thetime like that.

(01:04:23):
I know.
But so now, now the challengeis I'm shooting this thing.
I've got it crank.
£70.
And to your initial question,what is like some of the stuff I'm
working out?
I love those warhead arrows.
I got the rain suit 250 and Irun, you know, the.
What's the.
The like half in, half out.
I think it's like 50 grainthat comes with it.
Yeah.
55 grain.
Half an out insert.

(01:04:44):
Yep.
And then I run 125 grain.
That's what I run.
My.
My broadheads are my field points.
And I love it, man.
30, 40 yards.
It punches.
I noticed past that which wehave like some wide open properties
where we just go have fun.
But I notice it really justbecause it is a heavy arrow.
It does start to have some duck.

(01:05:05):
And so my question is, isthere any like if you were going
to go and hunt something whereyou're going to have to make a Pokemon?
The guy put me on the deer hewent after an elk and his first shot
was at 70 yards and he thoughthe had barely hit it.
And so he took a follow upshot after it stopped and he shot
that at a hundred.

(01:05:25):
And so like I, my, I'm thetype person, I have no plans to go
after an elk right now or muledeer or anything where I'm gonna
shoot wide open and far out.
But my thinking is like, ifsome random opportunity was to come,
I want to be.
That's what I'm pushing toward now.
I want to be consistent to 100 yards.
And so I've been tweaking withother arrow brands and other stuff,
lighter setups, trying to getsomething, you know, learning from

(01:05:48):
a lot of the elk guys onYouTube, just trying to like figure
out an arrow that they thinkshoots flat to those like 70, 80,
90 yard.
What's your road?
What's your draw length?
I think it's 29 or 29 and a half.
Yeah, just looking at you, I'dsay It's probably like 29.
You're, you got long arms.
You could go.

(01:06:09):
If you're going to startthinking about shooting further out,
work your way up.
You, you said you wereshooting a 250 spline like me.
Okay.
You can go as far as, I mean,you could drop down, like, do like
two and a half cranks on eachlimb down on your bow.
Just, just crank it down twoand a half limbs or two and a half

(01:06:29):
turns on each limb.
That'll bring you down aboutfive pounds.
You can drop your arrow splineto you.
I mean, I would say a 300.
350.
I would talk to Jason.
I.
You could probably squeak awayat a 65 pound bow at your draw length
with a 350 spline arrow.

(01:06:50):
That's.
I'm curious to see what that'sgoing to give you.
Like 7.5 greens per inch.
I believe if you go to a 300spline, you're going to be at 9.8
greens per, per inch.
If you make it up with yourhalf out cert, you got to keep in
mind your foc.
You should be about 12, 13 onyour foc.

(01:07:10):
Definitely.
For Hunter.
I'm a little higher than that.
I know that because I run.
That's fine.
That's fine.
If you're even in 15, 17s andthat you're, you're okay.
I mean back in the day wealways went like 7% foc.
I mean it was as 9 becauseeverything was super light back then.
But yeah, you can, you canlike you know, like I said, if you.

(01:07:31):
If you kick it down because70, you're gonna have a lot of.
You're gonna have a lot offlex in that shaft if you go real
light, especially at yourdraw, like.
And I crank.
It's cranked down now.
It's.
It's fully maxed out.
And the.
The RX4 is.
What's the.
What's the figure?
When they rate bow speed?
It's.
There's like three letters.
Ibo.
Ibo.
Yeah.
This pose.

(01:07:51):
Ibo.
And I know that's shootingbasically a chopstick to come up
with the figure, but it's.
It's 350.
So this thing is, you know, this.
This thing slings an arrow.
My buddy shoots Matthews.
He's kind of like teaching me.
And we went and shot a foam.
His foam target at 30 yards.
And granted his blocks prettyworn out, but he stuck an arrow and

(01:08:14):
I shot one and it passedthrough and into the ditch behind.
Yeah, he was like.
He's like, that thing isreally quick.
But what do you think, Dave?
What do you think, Dave?
I'm not telling them wrong, right?
I mean, at his draw length andif he drops it down.
No, he should be all right.

(01:08:34):
Yeah.
Because the.
The shorter you cut yourarrow, the stiff of your arrow spine's
gonna be right.
An inch out, I go always.
I always say an inch out, youknow, just in front of my.
My rest.
Yeah.
Because I'm only shootingwhat, 460.
460 grains at 8.9.
You're at 8.9.
And my arrows are 20.
20?
Yeah, 28.
And I think mine are 28 and a quarter.

(01:08:57):
I don't mean to interrupt, butMichael's asking this stupid question.
I have no idea.
And I don't.
Excuse my language.
He's asking like the 20th time.
Is Andrew a virgin with you guys?
I have no idea what the he'stalking about.
Maybe he's new to bow hunting.
I think that's what he'strying to say.
I think that's what he's asking.
So I've been trying to figureit out, and he has to pop it.

(01:09:18):
Up there because he's show.
First time he's on the show.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't understand 15 year olds.
Neither do I.
Well, he's gotta leave becausehe's gotta eat crumble cookies.
Good deal.
Yeah, I'm happy in general.

(01:09:39):
That's just.
No, go ahead, go ahead.
No, go ahead, go ahead.
I was just gonna.
I was just gonna ask.
He said he was shooting a 460grain arrow.
And.
And how far, how far out wouldyou feel comfortable taking?
Like shooting a deer.
Like a whitetail.
Shooting an arrow at that weight.

(01:10:00):
You'Re safe out to floor.
I'd be comfortable at 60.
Yeah.
I mean I shoot out longdistance anyway.
I shoot long distance like allthe time.
Those guys got a lot morefields than I do.
I got.
My lethal range is 70 and thathas to be with perfect.

(01:10:20):
We were shooting 100 yards atthe range Sunday.
Yeah, yeah, they got a fieldat our range and me and my Buddy
were shooting 100.
Okay.
What about, what about veins?
What are you guys running?
I shoot Blazer, I run Boeing Blazers.
I shoot laser veins.
These little guys here, that'swhat I shoot a custom.

(01:10:41):
I do a custom helical on mine.
I, I manipulate my fletchingjig so it's a, a stronger helical
than it'll actually supposedto do.
Gotcha.
Right.
I run the AE hybrids and then.
But then I don't have to run.
A lot of guys run 4 fletch.
I don't.
I'm going to show you what Ibuilt much.

(01:11:03):
The only thing with 4Flex.
I mean if you run.
Slow and.
Arrow one person at a time.
Yeah, 4Flex is good if you're running.
Yeah, 4Flex IS good if you'rerunning heavy fixed blades.
I mean or you could run aheavy helical and it'll do the same
thing.
So I am running an experimentright now and unfortunately I am

(01:11:23):
not a consistent enough archerto know I'm gonna.
My buddy that is helping me,he shoots a 250 spine.
Same arrow or very similar arrow.
And so I'm gonna have himshoot through his.
Matthews.
He.
He can shoot a dime out at 50 yards.
But I ordered these air Razors.
Like they're tiny.
Okay.

(01:11:45):
Compared.
Compared to the.
This is the Air Razor hunter.
But you can see how muchsmaller those are.
And Amazon sent me the wrongthing and so I was like, well, since
they're tiny, I was like, I'mgonna a four fletched them and they're
shooting, they're.
They're shooting like darts.
And so, but, but I'm really curious.

(01:12:05):
I haven't poked.
I've got, I live in aneighborhood and I've got like an
arrow backstop and then atarget behind my target.
You know, I'm being safe, butit still feels weird being across
my yard with somebody drivingby and I've got like a bow, you know,
basically aimed at the houseor like what's this guy doing?
So I'm going to try to takethese things out into a field and.

(01:12:26):
And see what the differences.
Differences are.
But I don't know if you guyshad any experience.
Well, you'll find if you'regoing to shoot an open.
Yeah.
If you're shooting in thefield with the smaller diameter arrows
and smaller flushings, you'regoing to have less wind drag.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Just that fourth vein is goingto give you just a little bit more

(01:12:48):
stability and morecontrollability on the back end of
it all.
It's really.
It.
I'm.
I like four flesh just becauseI like that and because I push the
limits with my bow.
So I really want to make surethat I don't really miss or anything.
Well, he's got a really toughshot because he's got to shoot from
his bed out through thebedroom window.

(01:13:08):
There's like 65, 70 yards athis deer in his backyard.
That's.
That's why he's got that.
That bow's dialed in at 70.
You.
He's actually won the SERTAPerfect sleeper award for best bow
shot ever.
Ever, Ever.
Freaking made on film.
That's funny.

(01:13:28):
One of my pillow.
My pillow is another sponsorhe has too.
Mike Lindell.
My pillow sponsored him.
He's.
He's got all kinds of sponsorson here.
That's funny.
Maya.
One of my groomsmen rifle shota deer out of his childhood home
and did not tell his mother inthe kitchen that he was about to

(01:13:48):
take his target buck from the bedroom.
Can you imagine hearing that?
I think I. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
36 out down the hallway.
That would echo the entire house.
Yeah.
Oh, Jesus.
But yeah, this is.
Man.
Archery is an obsession.
I love that.
You can literally thinkeverything's dialed and then Amazon

(01:14:10):
sends you a wrong package, andnext thing you know, you're doing
an entirely new experiment,figuring something out.
What was the name of them again?
Andrew.
So these are the Air Razorpros by aae.
Air Razor pros.
Okay.
Yep.
And so I will say this.
This is supposed to be theirquote, like, best material.

(01:14:31):
Yeah.
But I. I will say.
And they.
And they disclaimer this.
I'm not bashing the company,but these veins are like.
I mean, if you blow on themwrong, they will hold the.
A scratch.
Like.
Like, if you.
If you shoot this thing into atarget and you have to pull it out
of the target, you're gonnahave to reflect the arrow.

(01:14:52):
Like, okay.
It is the least durable, butthey say it's for, for quietness.
It's a very, very hard thing.
But man, they fletch easy likethey glue.
I mean this is the easiestthing I've ever glued on and been
done with.
And they hold a helical really well.
I've had some other ones.
I don't remember what it was,but I tried to do it and you know,

(01:15:13):
they're kind of sliding aroundand I'm like, oh, I should have counted
to 10, not to eight or whatever.
And you know, stuff's liketrying to come up.
I haven't had a single problemrunning the air razor material, but
you know, I haven't tried aton of stuff.
Do you run a primer pen?
I don't.
I use alcohol wipes though,which I feel just takes everything.
Try using a primer pen on, onyour fletchy.

(01:15:37):
It'll.
It'll dries the glue almostinstantly so you don't have to dick
around and wait.
What's better?
What's better?
Andrew too.
If you can't get your hands onthat, get yourself a bottle of acetone.
The real strong stuff.
Yep.
And clean, clean your veinwith a Q tip with acetone and clean
your, your actual.
If you're using a wrap, don't,don't use that on the wrap.

(01:15:59):
But yeah, those primer pens, they're.
They work really good.
I just did a batch of arrowsfor Frank using the primer pen and
we didn't have any failure.
So it, it must have worked,you know, Right.
What do you guys use for tiptip glue?
I use aae Fletch stuff and also.
Oh, what the heck's the other one.

(01:16:21):
I found actually throughthird, about 20 years of experimental.
This gorilla glue is the bestgel glue for aero.
Okay.
I'm trying to remember what.
Oh yeah, this, this gold tip had.
An insert pull out.
Yeah, it won't pull out, butit dries in a half second.

(01:16:42):
Yep.
I mean like if you.
Yeah.
Fumble for a moment.
I have probably a hundreddollars of arrows in this room from
me going oh no, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm waiting for a child whoneeds like a 25 inch arrow.
And so there's just a pile ofmy screw ups in the corner.

(01:17:06):
One thing though, I will sayabout the veins is depending on.
You have to figure out likewhat you want to do with your arrow
and your bowser.
Like do you want to shootshorter distances?
Do you want to shoot fixed blades?
Mechanical.
Do you want to shoot out thelonger distances?
That's going to determine.
Do you Want a longer vein witha short height or do you want a shorter
vein with a.
With a higher height?

(01:17:27):
Okay, give me, give me youradvice because I've already invested
in broadheads and so I alreadyhave the arrow, so I can reflect
stuff.
So I'm shooting upon therecommendation of my buddy.
You know what?
It's already on all my other.
I've already got them tied up.
The G5.
The.
I think it's G5.

(01:17:47):
The Megame.
That.
Oh, yeah.
Big old two inch cutter.
Yeah.
And what.
What would you.
What kind of vein setup wouldyou put on an arrow sending that
broadhead with.
With one of them, you can putabout anything up.
Okay.
Honestly, you're not trying to.
You're not trying to likecorrect a single bevel big, you know,
slam and Broadhead.

(01:18:08):
The G5 Mega Meats, you know, they're.
They're tucked in so you don'thave a lot of stuff to worry about.
But I mean, you could runthose blazers.
You could run those.
Even those little.
Those air.
The air ones.
You were at the air Razors.
You could run them on that.
Yeah, that's what.
That's what I was thinking.
So I. I still need to go to abow shop and get my setup.

(01:18:28):
Like, I need to paper tune itand I just want it to go through.
I did notice that there's alittle bit of click right at the
end.
So I think the bearings mayneed looking at.
Sounds like your timing's off.
Yeah.
So could be your tiller.
Yeah.
There's more than I'm capableof diagnosing on my own.

(01:18:48):
But there's a.
There's a Hoyt.
There's a shop that works withHoyt over here.
And you know, what do you call them?
Like a certified whatever bow shop.
So I'm gonna go in there.
That's it.
Yeah.
Authorized dealer.
I don't know why that was sohard for me to think of right now.
But yeah, I would actuallystart working.
On bear shaft tuning.
Learning to do that.

(01:19:09):
I. I want arrow clock.
I don't know what that is.
I want a bear.
I do.
I'll let you tell me in two seconds.
But I want a bear shaft tune.
But it terrifies me to send anarrow in my neighborhood without.
How flat they will actually fly.
Yeah.
So you can buy this on Amazon.

(01:19:30):
It's specialty archeries.
Is that you can buy it by.
The roll and build yourselfstand out of 3/4 inch PVC.
Yep.
And just set it in front ofyour target and start doing.
Step back.
Bear shaft.
Tuning out to like 30 yards.
Cool.
And that'll tell you if you'retuned or if you're spined, right?

(01:19:51):
Yeah.
Another good one, Andrew, todo once you.
You're dialed in, you got yourbow kind of settled up, is what they
call French tuning.
Okay.
So in other words, you take apiece of masking tape, just run it
down, you know, straight upand down, you know, vertical, shoot
arrows into that and then doone horizontal and shoot your arrows
into that and that when youcan hit that all in the center, you

(01:20:13):
know, you're perfectly like.
Basically, it's like boresighting a scope on a rifle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's how Levi Morgan does it.
Yeah.
I got you.
And you were.
You were about to tell me someother thing I need to do.
Brett.
I like arrow clocking.
Yeah?
What's that?
I learned about it about five,six years ago.

(01:20:33):
I learned it from Levi.
Basically, you're putting abear shaft arrow on.
On your.
Your bow.
You.
And then you knock it to thestring and then you put a little
line on there and then you go.
You step like maybe three feetfrom the target and wherever that
is starting to turn to theleft or the.

(01:20:54):
To the right.
That's the direction you wantto put the heel on the vein.
Now there's two theories Ihear about of why.
What causes the arrow to wantto spin to the left to the right.
One is because the way this.
The arrow would spun throughthe shop and the other one is the
way the.
The string is the twist.

(01:21:16):
There's two theories out therewhich is right, which is wrong.
They're good in theory, in my opinion.
And is there a lot to that to.
Because what would happen isif you.
If you have an arrow going tothe left, then you put a right helical
on that arrow.
Your.
The theory and all is your he.
Your arrow is going to try tospin to the left, but your heel is

(01:21:38):
going to force it to the right.
So basically it's going tostart knuckle balling the farther
you go out and out.
Right, Right.
So the more you go with it,the more you're naturally going to
hit the spin in that direction.
Naturally.
How big of a difference isthat really going to happen?
I don't know.
Because it's a new thingthat's been out recently.
Now, I could have been huntingmy entire life up till a couple years

(01:21:59):
ago where I was doing theopposite and no effect to it.
Right.
You'll notice it because your bro.
Your tips when you're Shooting.
I'll start unscrewing themselves.
You got to constantly tightenin your tip.
It's because the your mostbows are clocked at a left hand.
Like the arrow shaft will spinleft handed.
There are exceptions.
Some shoot to the right, butif you notice like you'll go out,

(01:22:22):
you'll shoot like five or six arrows.
Yeah, the damn tips loose.
You know, we were kids, wealways just took some bow wax and
put it on the threads and thenscrewed it in there so it wouldn't
unscrew.
Well, the reason why it'sdoing that is because your bow is
clocked to the left.
So that's another telltalesign my bow is clocked to the left.
You know, you don't even haveto freaking put a line on it or bear

(01:22:43):
shaft it.
You'll just know by shootingit up.
My tips loose.
Oh, my tips loose.
So you know, you're shooting aleft, you know, left twist.
I gotcha.
There was a question on here.
I don't forget about itbecause we gotta start wrapping up
for the night.
There was a question.
Have you ever docked, tunedyour arrows?
I guess I have.
I have a little bit.

(01:23:03):
A little bit trying it out.
But in complete honesty, I amsuch a novice archer when it comes
to this whole game that it's,you know, second guess.
No, it's just if you get likethree, three arrows that shoot darts
and then one shoots off andyou're like.
What the hell is that?
You shoot it again and itshoots off.
Yeah, every arrow spine is ina weak spot in a different place.

(01:23:23):
Yeah.
It'S got the timing of abusted timing belt on a car.
Well, his Internet, it's lagging.
So he's.
His timing's off, I'm talking.
Then you just all of a suddenDave's just like, so have you ever
done this?

(01:23:44):
We don't listen to Brad.
Anyway, so as you know, Dave's.
Dave's Internet's one stepover Morris code.
It's so slow.
Yeah, yeah, I got a hundred dollar.
A month.
Fiber optic and it's paying off.
I gotta drop it down to thetwenty dollar dial up.

(01:24:09):
There was a question out herefrom, from Lee Lockhart, most likely
for Andrew because I'm notgonna know any recommended outfitters
near southwest Florida area.
Yeah, southwest Florida is farfrom me.
I'm up in central Florida andI head out to the east coast and
I can't even remember the nameof the bow shop.
I haven't even been to it yet.

(01:24:29):
It's just where all the homies go.
So unfortunately I can't help you.
But I'm sure, I'm sure Googlereviews and a couple forums will
steer you straight.
So that's what I did.
I, I did the forum dig andthen started asking my buddies that
I trusted and they agreed witheverything that I had found.
So people, you know, I feellike archery is like a difficult

(01:24:49):
thing.
Like if you're going to be abow shop, like people will sniff
you out real quick if youdon't know what you're talking about.
Oh, you won't, you won't lastlong if you're, if you're not actually
doing quality work.
So.
Yep.
Because there's a lot of nicksand crannies to archery.
And don't get me wrong, it canbe overwhelming to start off like,
oh man, there's.
Because there's a lot of things.

(01:25:10):
But at the same time, in myopinion, those lot of things can
be broken down into smallerthings and learn it easily.
Yes.
And also, how did this go fromyou basically interviewing us on
the show asking like we'reexperts and he's not.
Interviewing, he's just beingspongebob because he's taken in.

(01:25:32):
No, I love it.
No, I love it.
This is where I tell you guys,I'm actually an ordained pastor.
Spent way too much timerunning small groups, so.
Well, Andrew, I, we gottastart wrapping up for tonight.
First off, I do want to saythank you for taking time out of
your day to come on the show.
We greatly appreciate it.

(01:25:52):
It's been a good time.
Been a good time.
Thanks for having me.
For real.
We got four rapid fire questions.
We want to shoot your waythough first.
Okay.
All right.
What animal is on your bucketlist to hunt?
Elk.
Elk.
Awesome.
What is the top state you wantto try hunting?
I want to hunt Hawaii.
It's where my family's from.
Nice.
I want to go after some accessdeer over there.

(01:26:15):
If you could pick anybody togo on a hunting trip or share a campfire
with one time, who would thatperson be?
My dad.
For sure.
My dad has not been hunting,but grew up fishing, taught me to
fish.
I'd love to take him hunting.
Sweet.
Last question here.
How do you think that we needto improve the hunting community?
I think just because I'm newto it and people have, you know,

(01:26:35):
taken me under their wing,there's a lot of focus on the younger
generation.
But I think, you know, withthis post adolescent kind of young
millennial, late Gen Z, Ithink there's a lot of kids who would
benefit from, you know, justsome real masculine experience in
the woods.
Like you know, take a 20 yearold, take that new kid at your work,
invite him out even just to shoot.
I think there's some, youknow, 18 to 30 year olds who need

(01:26:58):
a couple days in the woods.
So maybe don't overlook thatgeneration that was already missed.
Yep.
That I think as.
Because I have two kids nowand I think as parents, it's one
of our.
Shut.
Shut up.
Dave.
You have a responsibility toteach your kids everything that you
can.
And.
And then as outdoors people,that we are your responsibility to

(01:27:21):
get them out in the woods andteach them this type of way.
And I say, would I love forthem to take it up?
Yes.
But if they don't want to,then I gotta at least force all my
kids to try everything.
My parents did that to me.
Yeah, try everything at least once.
You can't just quit and justsay, nope, you're not gonna do it.
You gotta at least try.
Well, Andrew, again, thank youso much man, for coming on the show.

(01:27:41):
I greatly appreciate it.
It's been a lot of fun.
We're so glad Johnny got herebecause like you said, he's.
He's very boring.
I don't like when he runs the show.
He's just.
He just.
It's a train wreck when heruns the show.
All love.
All love.
Oh yeah.
And then you got Dave who justmissed times.
Everything because.
Well, when it gets boring, you gotta.

(01:28:03):
Dave.
Dave's like that meme bowling shoes.
That's good.
We'll start with Squatch.
Then we'll go to Dave.
And then we'll go to Andrew Squatch.
For the people out there thatwant to reach out to you and follow
along your journey.
How can they do that?
Guys all know Sundays andTuesdays here on the Whitetail Advantage.
You can find me.
You can also hear me onBoondocks Outdoors with Mike Nitra

(01:28:26):
and Frank Mystica.
You can find me on Instagramanytime and outdoors and more with
the Squatch on YouTube, man.
Check out my little hunting videos.
I do, Dave.
How about you, brother?
Yeah, you can find me on whiteTelevision on Tuesdays because I
don't do Sundays, so.
Because you don't have Internet.

(01:28:46):
Yeah.
Cut it off up until Tuesdaysthrough Thursdays.
Third world country Internet.
Where he lives.
Yeah.
Where I'm at.
Yeah.
But then I'm.
There it is.
There it goes.
He's gone.
That's so good.
You can find him on PSE MobileHunter, on YouTube and on Instagram.

(01:29:07):
Don't forget his Grinderaccount also.
He's grinding.
Oh, gee.
Yeah, this is going to grindcount too.
Andrew, the star of the show.
How can people follow along?
Reach your journey, man.
Yeah, I'm at the podcast Ninja.
And the podcast that I produceand I'm on is Ninjas or Butterflies.
And so we have a lot of funover there.
If you're into conspiracies,I'll tease.
Next Friday's episode found adiscovery connected to the Texas

(01:29:30):
floods involving lithium.
And that's all I'm gonna saybecause we do a deep dive on that
show.
But yeah, you can check outall of that.
And then basically my huntingstuff is just my Instagram stories
and reels at the podcast Ninja.
So I've truly had fun learningfrom you guys, and this has been
rad.
Thank you for having me.
Whatever we teach you, don'tuse it.

(01:29:54):
Skinny Bob, I learned fromyour channel.
And what was it?
It was the Texas Flood.
The drones.
Cloud seeding.
Yeah, cloud seeding.
Yeah, they do that.
Freaking real, man.
It's real.
Have you ever seen the movie Geostorm?
I haven't, no.
It's got Gerard Butler in it.

(01:30:15):
It's very similar to cloudseeding in a sense.
Okay, go ahead and check it out.
Tune into Fridays if you likethe cloud seeding story.
The story I dropped in thisnext one is all right.
Like, had me audibly from mydesk saying no way.
And I was like, it hurt me tonot immediately turn around and tell
my buddies like, what I was finding.

(01:30:37):
It's there's some crookedstuff with a paper trail and we dive
into that.
HARP has been around sinceWorld War II, man.
They've been manipulating weather.
Weather since World War II.
Friday, 6:00am Everywhere.
Yep, perfect.
Awesome.
Well, everyone, hope you havea great rest night.
And again, Andrew, thank youso much, brother.

(01:30:59):
Absolutely.
You guys take care.
See you guys.
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