Ep 166 / Lights, Camera, Action: Self-Filming Secrets from a Pro Videographer!

Jordan Brake, a pro videographer, is here to share his insights on leveling up your content game as a YouTube creator. He dives into the nitty-gritty of self-filming, providing tips and tricks that can transform how we capture our hunting adventures. With a wealth of experience under his belt, Jordan emphasizes the importance of storytelling and how even the simplest setups, like using GoPros, can yield fantastic results. He also touches on the significance of understanding your gear and the value of good audio for a polished final product. If you’re looking to elevate your video skills and connect with your audience on a deeper level, this episode is packed with practical advice and a few laughs along the way!

Takeaways:

• Jordan Brake emphasizes the importance of storytelling in videography, which enhances viewer engagement and connection.
• Self-filming requires practice and discipline; knowing your camera angles can make or break your shot.
• Investing in good editing software can drastically improve the quality of your videos, making them more polished and professional.
• Using affordable gear like GoPros can still yield high-quality content, proving that you don’t need expensive equipment to create great videos.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage Podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.

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What is up, guys?
It's Brett Bowen, and welcometo the electronic campfire.
As you all know, we are notpolitically correct on this show.
Hunting and brotherhood gohand in hand.
I strongly, firmly believe inthat motto.
So we do hazing on the show.
We make fun of each other andstuff like that, but at the end of
the day, it's a brotherhood.
We all love each other hereand we all support each other as

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hunters and as human beings.
We do have a saying on the show.
Put a cord in the slot machine.
Help share the show, help growthe show.
We've gotten a lot of feedbackfrom a lot of people out there, and
we can't say thank you to enough.
Thank you enough to everyonethat's been doing it.
We just say thank you enough.
Just say thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, basically.
However, I do also want totake a second and say thank you to

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all the men and women in the military.
Thank you for your service andthank you for your sacrifice.
Along with all the policeofficers, the firefighters, the nurses,
and everyone in public service.
Thank you for your service.
We greatly appreciate it.
Now I invite you all to gatheraround the electron campfire with
me tonight.
Pull up a chair.
I'm excited for tonight.
We're gonna be talking withJordan, professional videographer,

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photographer.
I'm gonna be sharing a lot oftips and tricks that you guys share
with us tonight.
So I'm looking forward to it.
He's been on our show beforewith Michael.
I can't remember the name ofthe number of the episode exactly
was.
I should have done thatbefore, but it was episode 60ish,
something like that.
So I'm excited to have himback on.
And with that being said,right now it's myself and Dave Squatch

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might be coming on.
I don't know.
I don't give a if he's heretonight, but Dave's here tonight
with us too, so let's lookingforward to it.
Jordan, how's it going?
Going good.
And Dave is in AM hour withhis audio, so.
Oh, my.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Mute that right away.
It's okay.
He's not the mosttechnological person.
Maybe one day I have to goover to his house and fix all this.
Yeah, okay.
Dave, unplug your Anyway, all right.
Maybe you'll fix it.
Jordan, give us a littlebackground about yourself, brother.

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So I'm currently a camera guy,videographer, whatever you want to
call it for A hunting TV showcalled the Given.
Right.
I've been there for four yearsand also do a little bit of waterfowl
guiding at Wild ValleyOutfitters up in Canada.
Take my vacations to go huntmore and go up to Canada and.
And shoot some ducks.

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But yeah, I'm actually.
We talked about a little bit.
Leaving in less than a week togo to Alaska on a backcountry caribou
hunt.
You're going to be living in a.
In a tent for like 10, 12 daysand living off MREs and the whole
nine.
That's awesome.
I know a lot of people out there.

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Actually, we asked a questionon the show, like, what it's like
your dream hunt or your dreamanimal, you want to go out and hunt?
And some people, I want to saya lot of them, but majority of may
say caribou hunting out therein Alaska or just being out there
in Alaska.
And I think why.
One of the reasons I fell inlove with Alaska was to show the
last frontier.
Yeah, that was an amazing show.

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Just because the scenery ofeverything involved with it.
And I almost had a chance togo out there as an Alaska State Trooper
because they were doing that.
They still do their.
Their sign on bonus, like,come out to us and we'll sign you
up and fly you out here andmove you out here and stuff like
that.
Yeah, but I didn't want to befighting penguins all my career,
so I said it.

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I can't deal with the coal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if I could liveout there, but I think.
I think we lucked out a little bit.
I think it's gonna be like 30sand 40s, which will be a.
A good change in pace from 95degrees here in North Carolina.
So we'll see.
Was that you, Dave?

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You get it working?
Hey, you're talking.
I try not to.
There we go.
Oh, my gosh.
Hi, Dave.
Hi.
I gotta.
I'm good.
I gotta get a new mic.
You gotta get a new everything.
You son of a. Yeah, I'm gonna.
Put those gay pride stickersall over your truck now.

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Do it and see what happens.
Yeah, I know where you work.
It'll get worse.
I know where you live too, actually.
Yeah, I know.
It was weird.
Side note, before he.
I gave him my address to myhouse, he found me up on the hunting
app.
He goes, oh, this is where youlive, Brad?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.

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Yeah.
I didn't know you could dothat by searching him up by your
name.
Yeah, I was like, great.
Awesome.
Anyway, so how long did yousay how long you've been like, would
you consider yourself firstoff, would you consider yourself
a professional videographerand photographer?

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I would say no, but that'sjust me kind of being.
Trying to be a little bithumble, but I've worked in a, I guess,
professional setting more sofor four years.
Yeah, four years.
Wow.
Yep.
And I think I was in.
I was in like year two when Iwas last on with you guys.
Maybe it was actually my firstyear trying.

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It's been a while ago, I feel like.
But yeah, it's.
It's definitely.
I don't know, it's been a wildride for sure.
Especially I'm 26 years old.
Not too many people.
Oh my God.
Don't get to get to travelaround and like go to Alaska or go
chase elk in Colorado every year.

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You know, that kind of dealerfilm, a, you know, 200 inch deer
get shot, stuff like that.
It's just, it's kind of becomea norm for me and I don't want it
to, I guess, lose the excitement.
I don't think it ever will.
I still get excited, just asexcited as the hunters get.
But yeah, definitely time'sflying by with it and hopefully I

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can keep doing it another 10years or so, maybe more.
What would you say over yourtime of doing it?
Am I having bad Internetconnection or something or what's
going on with my.
What would be one of yourthings that you've learned over the
time of doing this?
Honestly, just abouteverything really.

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As far as the video side goes,because I'm a small town kid from
Virginia, you know, grew uphunting whitetail, so that kind of
comes a little natural.
But as far as getting out westand hunting, you know, Midwest deer
setups are a little bitdifferent, tactics are a little bit
different.
Go all the way out to elk hunting.
Never got a chance to do that.

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That's kind of became one ofmy favorite things to do now.
It's basically your turkeyhunting deer.
It's.
It's crazy.
You get a bull fired up rightthere in the rut of September, there's
a good chance he's gonna comescreaming into a couple steps.
So.
Right.
But yeah, definitely the moreI've done it, I mean, you're learning
something every day, talkingwith other guys, getting camp with

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other TV shows, other other videographers.
And I've had two of the guysthat have been at the given right.
Just as long as I have or longer.
I've learned a lot from themand kind of, they took me under their
wing when I started and yeah,kind of jumping into a little more
senior role now there's some younger.
Well, not younger guys, butguys that haven't been at the given

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right as long now kind of, Iguess underneath me, if you will,
we're all kind of equal.
We all have the same title and everything.
But yeah, it's, it's been a.
It's been fun.
How, how do you get into aposition like that?
Because everyone's like, oh, Iwant to become.
We talk about professional hunter.
We use that term a lot.

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Yeah.
Now that's vague with everyoneout there.
In terms of what would youconsider a professional hunter?
But for just terms fortonight, I get into a whole debate
and yeah, someone term we're used.
Professional is someone that'son TV and you're getting paid to
kind of do this type of.
How would you, how do, how doyou get into that type of position?

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I think it's kind of like justfrom someone outside realm looking
like, you know, someone to getinto that position type deal.
So with me, I was kind ofblessed with, I guess my own stupidity.
I know we talked about itbefore in my previous show I was
on.
I went to, to college to playbaseball and the stories.

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I, I just told this story to abuddy of mine the other day about
it, but he, he was asking, youknow, how'd you get into that?
So I, I was not a greatstudent and I was a decent baseball
player.
But when I went to college,baseball's in the spring, so.
And that was before I reallygot into duck hunting too.
So deer hunting comes in the fall.
You know, fall practices rollaround and I, I'm not showing up

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to practices.
I'm going hunting.
So my coach actually pulled measide and was like, look, you're
not, you're not the guest, thebest student.
You know, if you don't havegood grades, you can't even be on
the team to begin with.
So I want you to, to meet.
His name's Curtis Blosser.
He's my co worker now at thegiven right.
He films hunt for hunts for a living.

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I was like, there's no moneyin that.
Like no one can.
Can start doing that andbecome a Waddell or, or Cameron Haynes
or anything like that.
So I met him and he was like, yeah.
And he was filming for BoneCollector at the time too.
As a freelancer.
He's like, yeah, I'm.
I'm gearing up to head out to Kansas.
I think it was.
He was going to hunt With Bonewhen he was still healthy back then.

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And he was like, yeah, youknow, I, here's my day rates, this
is what I charge.
I was like, okay.
So I'd end up changing mymajor to photography and a minor
to marketing and really justevery little gig I could try to get
on or practice with.
So the school had camerasbecause I was a photographer.
You got to rent camera gear sothat I never had to pay for it.

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Well, I guess I had to pay forit because of the, the plum on my
wall.
But I would just take theircameras out and rent them and I'd
go on hunts, film those andjust more hands on with the camera,
I guess in the field.
And I landed my first offer ata full time job with a YouTuber.
I'm not gonna mention his namebecause that didn't end the way I

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thought it was going to.
I'm not gonna give him anycredit for it.
But anyways, got back fromthat and was working at the co op
there.
Finished up my school andCurtis calls me and said, hey, you
know, we're hiring a part time editor.
Are you interested?
I said, yeah, yeah, I'll takea, an interview.
So our president ofoperations, Chris Cobb and Kenneth

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Lancaster, he's a host, theyboth called me and said, yeah, we
want to hire you full time.
So I kind of got very lucky inthat situation.
I know not everybody's goingto be or be in that situation to
have that, but for somebodythat I guess didn't go the path that
I went, definitely the morepractice you have of either editing
or filming or both to kind ofget that and you know, set yourself

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up to have a good resume justlike you would in any other, you
know, professional position.
Just building it up to where,you know, hey, like the given, right,
right now we're, we'reactually looking for another camera
guy.
So you'd send in resumes,applications and kind of apply to
these organizations like thatthat you know, have that role or

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even try to start something yourself.
I mean it's very cutthroat asfar as trying to start out.
There's a lot of, of showsthat, you know, come into the red
a little bit every year justbased on sponsorship dollars and
a lot of the sponsors.
It's not like it was back inthe day where, you know, guys are
getting paid 10 and $20,000 onjust random stuff or any.

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All the way up to your gun bowsponsor, whatever A lot of guys are
having in house, you know,camera guys that get all their, their
ad Stuff they shoot contentfor them that they can run an advertising.
So it's kind of a, I guess aunique situation to.
To be able to, you know, haveall your ducks in a row to go and
do it.
But if it's something you'reinterested in or you've always wanted

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to do it and either have thetime or the money to do it, I definitely
would.
Would get out and just starthunting and filming.
And you'll slowly learn.
I mean YouTube's a wonderfulcreation on learning different tactics
and stuff.
But.
Yeah.
So what would you recommendseeing now that people filming hunts
with say the GoPros, iPhones,like for the general.

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Yeah.
The self filming guy who'strying to get better at it.
I guess you would say editingsoftware that a lot of people don't
know about.
That's good because there's alot of kind of janky ones editing
software out there that.
Yeah.
And you know, and it's.
It is tough to sell film.
Yeah.
That's what, that's one of thehardest things I think to do, in

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my opinion.
Yeah.
Because I. I started it.
But I'm at the point where ifa shooter buck comes in and I can't
get it on camera.
I don't care.
Yeah.
I'm shooting that deer.
Yeah, I'll try.
I mean I'm gonna do mydarndest to try to get it on, but
I'm not passing in buck justto put it on video on YouTube.
But I like to try.

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I'm getting more serious atit, but I know there's a lot of guys
trying to get into it thatprobably really don't know like what
to do and how to do it.
Like different camera angleson where you used to set phones and
cameras.
And I think he'd probably bethe perfect guy to kind of break
that down for the average guy.
Yeah.
So.
And it's even the setup that Ikind of run if I wanted to to self

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film myself.
Now a lot of times if it'slike you said, in the middle of the
rut and I've been on the roadfor, you know, 20, 30 days, there's
a good chance that I'mprobably not even bringing my camera
rig.
I'm just.
That's my relax.
But the more I do it, the moreI feel naked.
So I always usually have acamera with me, but always one of

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the easiest kind of setupsI've had.
And I honestly, the first oneI started with Hawk, they make the
tree stands and stuff.
They came out with Like alightweight camera arm.
And now kind of fourth air iskind of taken over that market a
little bit.
That's the camera arm I run.
Just having a basic camera arm.
It'll hold you.
You can have phone mounts for them.

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You can have.
And they've got differentgrades and levels.
As far as your camera weighs,you know, five pounds.
Or if you're doing your phone,you can get away with a lighter one.
That kind of deal.
Right.
Running that and then a GoPro.
So you could honestly film anentire hunt, if you will, with two
GoPros.
Now a lot of the older showsand there's still some guys that,

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that do it to this day, theydo a thing, what we call cutaways.
So they'll strictly only worryabout the kill.
They don't worry about gettingyour bow off the hangar, filming
that, anything like that.
Then until they, you know,shoot the animal, either miss or
whatever, they'll go back.
And it's, I don't like doingthat or portraying it because you're
ultimately just trying to tella story.

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And the, the better this youryou are at a storyteller, the more
views you're going to get, themore, you know, likes you're going
to get.
Whatever your kind of goals are.
So I try to just do everything live.
You get your live reactionsthat way.
You know, one of my favoritethings that some of my buddies make
fun of, we have urban archeryin September and I always will film

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that because there's nothinglike shooting a dough with your bow.
I get more fired up about that.
Don't ask Brett how thatfeeling is.
Yeah, I get so I get buckfever from a dough.
But yeah, just having those.
Like I said, it's fairlyinexpensive to do.
Buy two GoPros.

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And yep, a lot of guys want toget, you know, the top of the end,
top of the line stuff.
You really don't need it.
I mean if you're trying tojust film hunts for memories or you
know, show your buddies, hey,this is what I shot today, blah,
blah, blah, getting a GoPro 9 10.
You know, you can find them onAmazon for a couple hundred bucks
and you can start there or youcan go all the way up to, you know,

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the high end stuff that we're.
Running for the TV shows, thecannons and all that.
Yeah, yeah, I, I, we had a, aguy on the show named Wyatt and he
told me that one of the ep,one of the episodes that he, he shot
was solely off of a GoPro orhe had like, I think he said he had

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like three or four of themthat he was using and they were like
8, 9 and 10, I think orsomething like that.
I don't think he had anythingabove a 10.
And long story short, Iwatched the video that he said it
was and I said, why, if youdidn't tell me that was shot by a
GoPro would have said thatwould have been a legit camera that
you shot it with.

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I said the only thing thatgave it away from watching it was
the lighting happened at night time.
But that's just because it's.
GoPros are action camera basedtype setup.
So in that light to dark ratiotype setup, whatever you want to
say.
And I had a hard time.
So you could see, see it kindof like flickering like you would
back in the old days type of TVs.

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I mean, he said, yeah, that'sjust going to happen with that.
I said, yeah.
I said that's what kind ofgave it away.
Was that right there?
Yeah.
But other, outside ofeverything else, like.
So you're right, you can shootsome pretty good content for videos
and YouTube like you said,just solely off of GoPros.
And then heck, once he told methat I was already looking at GoPros
myself, I was like, I want togo buy a couple more of these extra

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ones just for like differentangles and stuff like that.
Yeah.
I'm going to spend hundredsand thousands of dollars for a giant
DSR camera that you probablyuse out there.
Yeah.
First I ain't got the money.
And two.
Right.
Getting paid to do this shit.
So.
Right.
I can do it off a GoPro andaccomplish the same thing.
Yeah.
And it's a lot lighter.

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Exactly.
And I think too as far as likeeven just say you wanted to start
a YouTube channel.
Most of those.
And I kind of see it more sotowards like your, your 13 year olds
all the way up to, you know,18 that might want to start that
as their career, they canrelate to those GoPros because it's
either a birthday present orChristmas present they could ask

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for.
And they can relate to youbecause if you're shooting off those
GoPros, they're like, yeah,you know, I'm watching this.
These guys do it.
I can go do that.
You know, I can afford to save300 bucks to buy a GoPro now some
people, you know, want to goall out right off the bat and save
up, you know, thousands ofdollars to run what I'm running.
But yeah, if I was gonna startover, I would do that same route

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of you know, here's a GoProgonna start just filming content.
You know, all these.
These social media platforms.
I think meta's still doing it.
Tick Tock, which you canhardly post anything hunting related
on Tick Tock.
Yeah, it gets bannedinstantly, almost.
Yeah, exactly.
They like for Meta Facebook,you can actually earn revenue on

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your views now.
And I think that's been aroundfor a while now.
But you can earn revenue that way.
Same with your YouTube if youget up to X amount of subs and all
that.
So start getting more viewsthat way you can start, you know,
earning a little bit of moneyto upgrade and just keep going on
that way.
It's a.
Like I said, it's a cutthroatway to do it.
I definitely wouldn't quit myday job if I didn't.

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If I wasn't doing what I was doing.
But yeah, it's definitely.
Anybody can really do it.
You just gotta either set yourmind to it and save up a little cash,
do it and practice.
Jordan, this year I've beenwanting to do it just of like, oh,
I'm sorry, Squatch.
Go ahead.
Let me just finish this.
And you go.
I want to be kind of known asthe guy.
Oh, that prep over fromWhitetail advance, that's all he

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shoots is from GoPros.
That's like our thing.
Like, I bought two right now.
I'm saving up to buy two more.
Yeah.
Just because of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I honestly, I'm.
I'm kind of to the point nowthat I really don't care what other
people think.
I'm gonna still.
I'm gonna still film the way Iwant to, how I want to, because I

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think it looks cool.
Maybe my buddies and a handfulof people that follow me think it's
cool.
There's always going to behaters out there, even at, like,
at the TV level.
Me and.
Me and our host of the Givenight, Kenneth, we just did a show
here in Virginia.
It was like our outdoor, youknow, show, whatever you want to
call it, banquet thing.
And we were talking about areel we just posted from an elk like

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two or three years ago that hewas at like 30, 35 yards, courting
away when he shot elk ducks alittle bit.
He tucks it in there, runs itkind of on the back rib, runs it
all the way through hisvitals, and everybody's like, oh,
it's gut shot.
It's a gut shot.
And the elk ran 40 yards and died.

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So everybody's gonna havetheir keyboard warrior moment of
you're not doing this.
Right.
You're not filming this.
Right.
Oh, you're blah, blah, blah.
And I got to the point where Iwas like, I don't really care.
Right.
You know, I get to live alifelong dream of mine to be able
to do this.
And you're stuck behind acubicle in.

(21:42):
Or in a cubicle, so be it.
Right.
Or in your parents basementmore than likely.
Yeah.
Just.
Just do one favor for me, Jordan.
And then I know Squatch isbutting at the bit.
Let me just say this.
How these TV tell the guysthat you're filming.
And I hated watching becausewhen I had TV I still have it.

(22:03):
But I stream stuff now likethe outdoor channel and stuff like
that.
Yeah, you hear these people.
First off, deer can only hearas far as you and I can hear.
So you can talk softlynormally so I can hear you.
And two, you have a microphoneright there.

(22:24):
So like bring it closer or something.
Honestly, what I need to do isyell at some of the other other camera
guys because that's an audio issue.
I'm like, come on.
If I have to turn the volumeall the way up just to hear you talk,
you have two ways to do it.
One, like I just said, deeraren't going to hear as far like
magical hearing.
And two, it's this giant thingright there.

(22:46):
I'm sure you guys got betteraudio quality than what I'm running
with my road system stuff thatI got.
Yeah.
So that's just a pet peeve.
I'm throwing it out there now.
Now mics are road.
So it's the same audio.
You just got to know how touse it.
Yeah.
Yep.
How you doing, Jordan?
I'm doing good, man.
How are you?
All right.
Sorry I was a little late.

(23:07):
A lot of work going on.
But you're fine.
I started.
I started filming this thispast turkey season with the Insta360
camera.
Mm.
And through the editingprocess of that.
That, that thing is phenomenal.
I mean what you can do.
It's like having your owncameraman built in when you pan to
the shot or what's going on inyour blind or.
Absolutely.
Whatever.
It was freaking awesome.
I'm glad I bought it.

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And then sort of like theGoPros I run on a castle Brave seven
from my other.
And I. I just noticed thebattery life on.
On a lot of the go.
I. I had a couple GoPros andthey just wouldn't last.
The castle seemed to last alittle better.
And I don't know if it's asGood as quality as a picture, but
it gets the job done.
For a guy just starting out.
I've been only doing mychannel for like probably a little

(23:51):
bit over a year and a half now.
Yeah.
But did a turkey hunt thisyear and I used that insta360 and
it was pretty freaking wild.
And I, I had to learn theediting system in that because unlike
your regular editor that yougo on and use for your normal camera
stuff that has its own builtin editing stuff which allows you
to pan the camera around,allows you to, you know, zoom in

(24:12):
on stuff which you're probablyvery familiar with.
But for anybody that's gettingstarted, like, you know, you want
a decent camera at a decentprice and you can do a lot with it.
I mean it's, it works for mepretty damn good.
I'm pretty happy with it.
And yeah, I know a lot ofpeople just do stuff with their cameras
on their phones and stuff too.
And a lot of my stuff is quicklike that.
I'll whip my phone out of mypocket and you know, I'll usually

(24:35):
get the deer walking in orsomething like that and then I'll
switch over to whatever,whatever I'm using on the, the camera
arm or I got a small, littlecheap vhs, you know, video camera
too that I use.
But the money thing, I, I dowant to step it up.
Maybe get into the canon world.
Start doing some more stufflike that.
Because now a good buddy ofmine, broadside ambush.

(24:55):
Frank and I were huntingtogether on the same farm.
Now we turkey hunted last year.
So there's going to be opportunities.
One of us is going to tag outsooner than the other one.
Probably.
Probably Frank, not me.
But if that does happen, oneof us is going to film each other
and try to, try to really getsome decent stuff, quality stuff.
But I will tell you guys thisand then, you know, we've all said

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it before.
I'm a hunter first.
Yeah.
If I got a drawback and Iain't got time to hit play, oh well,
you'll find out what I hitwhen it's dead.
Yeah.
You know, I can't, I can'ttake that away from myself.
I mean, okay, if I got acontract with somebody and they're
paying me thousands of dollarsto only show, it's a different story.
You're signing a contract.
Exactly.
I'll be everyday dude, justlike everybody.

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And I want to, I want peopleto see my tactics.
I want people to see how I hunt.
But let me tell you something,I'm not blowing a Freaking shot on
a good buck, you know, if Ican't get it, you guys will find
out afterwards when it'slaying there on the ground dead,
you know.
Yep.
So, yeah.
Is that something you have to do.
Jordan, to say that again?

(25:59):
Is that like you have to makesure, like you have to pass on deer
if you can't get the shot offor the lighting is not good enough?
Is that something.
Lighting happens a lot.
Lighting is more.
It's all kind of on a.
What's the word for it?
It's all situational.
Sorry, that's been a long day.

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So these newer cameras, likewhat I'm running, the whole running
out of.
Of light thing kind of doesn'texist anymore just because the sensors
on them are so good most ofthe time, you know, just on deer
tactics.
A lot of times you're in thatevening, you're going to be sitting
on a field edge.
You're not, you know, tuckedaway in the.

(26:41):
In the woods to where you gota little bit more light so you can
deal with those, you know,those bucks coming out to that cornfield
or something like that.
Right.
At last light.
That's not really a huge issuewith us anymore.
A lot of the stuff that's kindof difficult is just getting the
shot and making sure you're on.
You're on the same page asyour hunter.

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A lot of, like, if we're in a,say, a tree stand, a lot of times
I'll have a headphone in, youknow, an earbud so I can hear him
talking, but he can't hear me.
So there's.
Exactly.
So there's times that you knowthat deer screaming behind a doe
and he's trying to stop him,but I haven't even got a chance to

(27:22):
turn around yet because he wasstanding there behind me, you know,
had me pegged and I couldn'tget anything running.
So it's kind of just.
It's more of a team effort really.
And as far as self filminggoes, it's still kind of like a situational.
If you.
If you really just want toshoot the deer and.
And not so much get.
Get it on film, by all means,shoot it.

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But if you're really wantingto kind of to be, I guess, stand
out more.
So in your content, it takes alot of discipline to let that 170
walk by at 10 yards becauseyou couldn't get your camera on or,
I mean, it's.
It'll make you feel sick.
And the actual.
The deer that I had, that's onthe thumbnail for this video.

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That was kind of the samesituation I had them in night before
he was at.
And granted he wasn't in rangeby any means, but I went back to
try to film him again.
Left my camera arm in the treeand everything got to where I was
going.
He was already bedded under mytree that evening.
So, boy, oh man, camera wasleft in the truck.

(28:31):
But yeah, it's, it's allreally what your goals are, I guess,
behind it.
Situational as well.
If you, if you want to getbetter as a videographer, I definitely
would say that being a littlemore disciplined with that.
And I know, like you said,we're all hunters, we just want to,
you know, harvest the animalbecause we got close to it.
But it feels that much betterwhen you, you might have let that

(28:53):
deer walk just because you're,you didn't have them on camera.
There's different tactics toget around that as well that I've
kind of picked up on.
And even hunting with thoseGoPros, it, it definitely would help
you just because they're moreof a wide angle camera kind of picking
out.
For instance, if you're goingto shoot a deer out of a tree stand,
it all starts when, about now,when you're starting to figure out

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and pattern your deer a little bit.
You know, get your hand, yourstands hung, pick out your, your
bow length if you're gonna bebow hunting.
And it all comes down to that,that moment you just pick out the
spot you know he's gonna be.
As soon as you see him walkinto that, you stop them and that's
that.
But yeah, it's, it's reallywhen it comes down to filming stuff,

(29:37):
it kind of comes down to theindividual and really what their,
their goals are behind it.
I feel like.
Do you feel it?
Do you make it like easier, doyou think easier on yourself if you
have multiple rigs?
So like, you know, like youmight leave an arm or something up
in a tree if you know you'regoing to hunt that maybe in the afternoon
you walk in, just slap thecamera in.
Is it beneficial to buy justmultiple rigs to have and just have

(30:00):
a plethora of stuff at your,you know, disposal?
It's got to make it easier.
I would think it would.
There's a couple propertiesthat I, I have multiple tree stand
arm bases at least to whereI'm not sitting there.
And it's really where you haveto get in pretty tight to their bedding
or, you know, where theirtransition line is right you don't
want to be making a lot of noise.

(30:21):
And that ratchet strap, it'llecho and dull.
So having those bases alreadyset up to where you can slip in,
throw that camera arm in itand you're ready to go in, you know,
three or four minutes, it'sdefinitely helpful.
But again, it.
If you don't have the moneyto, you know, do that because those
bases do get a littleexpensive after, you know, you have
four or five of them.

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Just there's different little ways.
And honestly, YouTube helpedme, Curtis, and.
And the guys at the given.
Right.
They've helped me kind oflearn different ways to.
To get around that kind of stuff.
Definitely.
As far as my second anglestuff, I only use bow hangers for
those.
And those, you know, thosecome pretty cheap.
You can get a easy hanger forwhat, seven, eight bucks?

(31:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Goes in a little bit extra.
And I use.
I had it sitting here.
I think I bought a threestack, three pack of muddies in different
sizes.
And I think I got them forlike 17 or 18 bucks.
Yeah.
On Amazon for a free pack.
Yeah.
Those GoPros come with the.
That clamp.
The clamp arm.
Yeah, Clamp right to it.
And that's all you need to run as.

(31:24):
At least for your second angle.
Yeah.
Because I always like to runone high.
Yeah.
And then.
And that would be good too.
If you're like that 360camera, you're talking about having
that above you.
That's.
That makes for good angles as well.
I was thinking about takingthe 360, having it remote, but have
it down on the trail where thedeer is going to come through.

(31:45):
So I could get the kill shot.
Yeah.
With the 360, I think that'dbe freaking phenomenal, man.
Yeah.
There's a guy that we did someediting for that has a TV show.
They hunt Missouri and Iowapretty heavy.
And out there, the Midwest.
A lot of guys are using thosedecoys now.
So either have their buckdecoy or doe decoy.

(32:05):
And he actually puts that 360on the back.
Nice.
If you get that, you know,mature buck that's going to come
in there to beat the crap outof the decoy.
He's focused on that.
You're just running that360and you can get some really cool
stuff that way too.
Yeah.
You shoot Luminox.
That's kind of the only wayyou really see it.
But at least with a.
With a bow.

(32:26):
Yep.
I gotta try to get a deeroutfit for Johnny when we go down
to Indiana.
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
I got Johnny a brown Carhartt with.
The white fur collar.
I have the.
The GoPro 13.
The one.
I'll say this right now.
I've been practicing andrunning it here for a little bit.
The battery life on it is notthe greatest.

(32:47):
Yeah, I'll say that for atleast the new one that just came
out.
So I got.
I have two batteries for it.
I'm gonna be buying a couplemore, just obviously because I don't
want to run out of batterylife when I'm out there.
Right.
But I have that one.
And along with the.
The small one, they call itthe 4k hero type thing.
The little cube almost.
Yeah, it's like this little big.

(33:08):
It was like 150 bucks.
Yeah.
And so my.
This is my thought process.
I used the GoPro 13 as, like,my interview camera.
Like, you'd have, like,facing, like, right there.
And then my plan is to kindof, like, mess around with that hero
one, that small one, ondifferent, like, angles for a second
angle type deal and stuff likethat, because it's small and lightweight,

(33:30):
and all I have to do is.
The only bad thing about it,it's not remote.
So I had to have somewhereclose where I can at least turn out
the record button.
Yeah.
And another thing that I haveis about a lot of painted arrow stuff,
actually.
And one of them is to put on my.
My stabilizer, so that way Ican put my phone right there.

(33:53):
And I have the road capture app.
Yeah.
And what's cool with that oneis obviously you can shoot, like,
behind, so you get yourself any.
And then you shoot out forward.
But it's also cool.
Is it split view camera aswell, so you can get one view facing
out towards the deer and onefacing you as you're drawing back.
Yeah.
And my plan is so that way Idon't have to worry about, well,

(34:16):
if I got him on camera or notor this and that.
I just throw my phone rightthere and I click record.
Boom.
There I go.
Yeah.
I have all my other stuff running.
I don't have to give a ifthat's missing or not, because I
can get the hammer camera ofme drawing back, stuff like that.
But now I got on my phone, sobam, I got it right there, and I
just gotta make sure I hold it.
Yeah, that's my thought process.
Dave, did Brett tell you he'sgot the GoPro mount for his headboard?

(34:40):
Ah, you're so funny.
This way you can see the.
The minutes when Brett wakesup and gets out of Bed and starts
reading his text that we allshot deer.
That we all shot deer.
And he's just waking up.
Yeah, I'm just catching that.
Shut ey.
Yeah.
Hey, they.
They come out in the afternoontoo sometimes, right?
Yeah, they do.

(35:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, they, they.
I've shot big deer out in theafternoon too.
So 12, 12:30 to.
To 2:30.
You don't have to just be hotin the mornings.
Yeah.
What?
Dang it.
There's a question I just lost.
You guys are dicks.
Dang it takes one to know one, bro.

(35:21):
Yeah, I am a pretty big dickwith a big dick say that.
I wasn't gonna go there.
Oh, boy.
What is one thing, though,Jordan, besides YouTube?
Because we.
Everyone gets like, theirYouTube degree and stuff like that.
Mm.
Is there any other, like, advice?

(35:42):
Like, hey, if you really,really want to get into creating
videos for YouTube, what elsewould you recommend?
I mean, we talk about selffilming, and obviously we try to
find ways to be lightweightbecause we're packing a lot of gear
in there, just like cameraside of it.
But then just let alone yourhunting gear, then everyone's so
worried about that stuff.

(36:04):
Like, oh, I gotta get outthere and film and get the angle
and make sure I get this stuffand I get all that stuff out there
in the field.
But what would be somethingthat you would tell, like, for myself,
Dave or Squatch, to reallyfocus on more at home.
I mean, editing is a big deal,don't get me wrong.
But is there something else,like, to like, look out for this

(36:24):
type of thing while you'rekind of at home practicing or something
like that?
Really, it would be just kindof like a GoPro, for example, and
we kind of run the run intothis problem with, you know, guiding
up there for the duck hunters,you know, we'll throw a GoPro on
the client on their head.
Something like that is justreally understanding when you look

(36:46):
at that GoPro, you know whatit's filming as far as your angles,
because there might be a timewhere you think it's on you.
You draw back and it's, youknow, the top half of your head,
or you draw back and it'snothing but your waist.
You can't see anything else.
So you're talking.
Now, granted, some of these.
Most of these GoPros have alittle screen out to where you can
actually see yourself talking.

(37:06):
But in that they do actually make.
A media, like a.
Like a small little camera.
What the is it called?
Like, the monitors for it?
Yeah, like, they, like, youcan attach a monitor on that media
kit thing.
Yeah.
Not to cut you off, but.
Yeah, they have one of thosenow, too.
Besides the front camera thing.
Right.
And just.
But even like in the moment,say you are, you know, about to draw

(37:27):
back on this deer and you'veset up that second angle.
It's maybe not your interviewone, but it's your second angle and
you hadn't checked it at all.
And same situation, you thinkit's going to be where it's supposed
to be.
And you get back and you'reall excited because, hey, you got
them on.
On film getting shot.
You have all these angles tothrow your hunt together and you
look and you're like, crap.
Or you didn't even turn it on.

(37:48):
That.
I've had that happen before too.
Yeah.
But as far as stuff at home, Iwould really just maybe get familiar
with either how far or howwell your audio is.
Like those, those media kits,those mics are actually really, really
good for, for what they are.
As far as if you don't havethe money for a wireless microphone,

(38:13):
trying to think of stuff athome, as far as like building your
content or the video itself,making sure, and we call it B roll.
Making sure you have plenty ofthat to help the story go along.
So it might seem stupid andit, you know, might take you a little
bit extra, but yeah, again,that's what comes with filming Sometimes,
you know, you have to go alittle bit extra on some things just

(38:35):
to make it cool or interesting.
Oh, yeah.
You know, instead of everyhunt set your start, you're in a
tree stand, maybe start thereat the truck.
You know, that's how you couldpick up a scent sponsor.
Or maybe you're throwing yourboots on there at the truck.
That's boot sponsorships,stuff like that, where you can kind
of tell the story of, hey, Ijust got off work.
I'm running to the field.

(38:57):
Got a picture of this hammerwe're gonna go try to kill.
You know, starting that, thathunt in different areas to where
it's not the same thing.
And there's plenty of guys outthere that every video is, wow, we're.
We're back in Old Faithful.
We're trying to kill.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
And it's been at the farmbehind the house again.
Yeah, exactly.

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Just having stuff that's kindof catchy and, and more so entertaining.
And if it almost feels like aburden to you when you're doing it,
you're doing something right.
As far as filming, that's like how.
I started out a lot of mypredator videos.
When I go out at night, I'llhave just a dome light on in the
truck.
And I'm like, hey guys,welcome to Outdoors and more with

(39:40):
the Squatch.
You know, we're gonna headout, we're gonna try to see if we
can get, get on some coyotes tonight.
And then while you're sittingthere, your B roll, you're taking
the sound like these guys knowI send them freaking texts with these
coyotes going crazy.
And I'm like, they won't comein, they're hung up or whatever,
you know.
But I, I keep track all that stuff.
And I make a little thing thatI keep on the side.
And if I got a dead spot in avideo, I'll add something in like

(40:02):
that and just keep it flowing,you know.
Yeah, but yeah, to help with,you know, know flow of your video
that we use every day in ourshows or time lapses.
GoPro's already have thatsoftware built in.
Say even if you're in thestand and you know, maybe you got
in early because you'rewanting to do the whole nine is,
you know, for filming, run youa time lapse.

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It'll help pass the time.
And I also too, don't beafraid to have more than plenty interviews
as well.
Just you're like, you'retelling a story.
You might have got there at 12o' clock in stand and you might have
not seen anything till 4:30 ormaybe, you know, all you've seen
is squirrels talk about it.

(40:43):
Worst case scenario, you don'tuse it.
You know, so it's, it's allabout, I guess kind of being or kind
of filming, I guess being inintent of what you're shooting because
you're trying to tell a story.
And that's kind of how I, I domy job is I. I kind of have a plan
of how I know things are goingto know.
Lay out as far as the placesI've been Now, Alaska, that's going

(41:05):
to be a little bit differentbecause I've never been there.
So I've been doing a littlebit of research on some of the different
shots and stuff.
But like if it's just a basicdeer hunt, we've all hunted over
a cornfield or, you know, gotup in September in the middle of
the rut.
You kind of just have thatpurpose behind what you're filming.
And then too that'll cut downon a lot of what you're filming in

(41:25):
general.
So like say you, you know, youdid a time lapse and sun's just coming
up.
Or maybe it's the sun rising.
So that's your time lapse.
Talk about, hey, we're gettingback in here.
Temperatures, blah, blah, blah.
You know, we got a really gooddeer that's coming through here.
Then you could cut to maybethat one branch you forgot to cut

(41:47):
that's in your.
Your bow lane, stuff like that.
Just to keep of build it together.
And honestly, other guys onYouTube TV, that's a good model to
kind of go after as far as thedifferent B rolls and cuts to make
your story, you know, interesting.
That's one.
So when I was in college, Itook a.
Actually took two classes.
One was an intro to film classand another one was some photography

(42:12):
type.
That's because he was going todo gay porn.
But that fell through.
I was going to direct it or bea fluffer.
I wasn't sure which way Iwanted to go yet.
Well, you had that eye injurywhen you were fluffing too hard.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was that one gimp moviethat fell through.
One thing I learned in theintro video class was he, like, read

(42:36):
more into the actual story ofitself and watch the story being
told and feel like you're apart of it and find like the.
One of the movies that I hadto research on was.
Was Annabelle the first onethat came out and.
And about the demon and thedoll and stuff like that.
And one of the things that Ipicked up on that they used a lot

(42:58):
was a lot of whites, a lot of reds.
And one thing that Icorrelated that to throughout the
movie was it's a.
It's a demon movie and there'sa lot of faith involved in this movie.
So why is there a lot of whiteand red?
Oh, I could.
You could say, oh, the whiterepresents the heaven parts of this
movie and the reds in thismovie represent the.

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The devil and the Satan partof the movie.
And one thing was, I thoughtthat was cool and just learning,
like, be a part of the story,like, how can I take what I learned
in college back then into myown videos, make people feel like
they're a part of this journeyalong from the start to the end of.
Oh, I was like, right there inthat tree.
Stand right with them.

(43:39):
Yeah.
And this is that.
And just feel like you'reactually part of it.
And that way, let's say I missor I. I end up getting the deer.
They feel the emotion, whetherit's high or low, whatever.
They just feel that sameemotion that I'm feeling too.
Yeah.
Another thing behind you, youwere talking about emotion.
That I think will definitelyhelp anybody that wants to, you know

(44:00):
better.
Their content is the music youchoose just because you know that
heat of the moment and.
And guys kind of get carriedaway with a little bit on the TV
side.
But like for a prime exampleof it that's really good at it.
Well, I'll say the given rightbecause I work for them, watch them
and, and kind of our, ourYouTube stuff is the emotion of all
the, the soundscapes we dowith, you know, that high end music

(44:25):
we use.
But another one that's reallygood at more of like a cine cine
cinematic vibe of it isHeartland Bow Hunter.
How they tell a story.
Yeah, that was a prime exampleright there on getting people that
are already love deer hunting.
But then again like you'resaying you feel like you're there
with them because you'reriding the emotional roller coaster

(44:47):
with them.
Whether they miss that deer,shoot that deer.
Just because the music ishelping, you know, carry that emotion
as well.
It also help helps with your stories.
Well, Jordan, I just want tosay thank you so much man for coming
on the show.
I know we had kind of readjustbecause you're going out to Alaska.
You lucky son of a shit.
Said no, no, you're not comingon the show.
Yeah.
Either way, I actually do wantto have you back on the show and

(45:09):
learn more about what it'slike to shoot in Alaska since it's
going to be your first time.
Yeah, that'd be learned.
Cool to learn.
You guys have any finalquestions for him before we wrap
it up with the rapid fire segment?
Questions?
I'm good, man.
Self filming.
Anybody out there watching?
No, I mean he did a prettygood job of laying everything out
for us.
So I think so too.

(45:31):
I mean that was.
It's a lot of information forthe new guy.
I think that'll help out alot, you know.
Yeah.
The guys, you know, like usthat just run the GoPros or the Insta360s,
just the average guys, you know.
I think it's a lot of helpful information.
And one thing at least justfrom learning from you, you can do

(45:51):
a lot of stuff.
I mean I, I have the iPhone 13.
I think you can do a lot ofstuff with just an iPhone.
Cameras are just as good.
They really are.
So you can do a lot like withthe editing stuff with it.
Like they have apps and allthe stuff that's out there now, like
do a lot of great work.
I remember, I'll say this Realquick, there was a guy, my wife,

(46:13):
she.
She loves TikTok.
She saw this guy on TikTok,and a lot of his videos and reels
and photos was solely done offof an iPhone, not off of no DSR camera
or anything like that.
All done from an iPhone.
So I think.
Yeah, I think a lot of things.
You should at least start offwith just practicing with your iPhone

(46:34):
and talking in front of a camera.
That's.
That's a hard thing.
I think a lot of people don't.
It's hard to do.
I mean, don't get wrong.
When we first start.
I started.
First started doing these live shows.
I was nervous, like, yeah, I'min front of a camera and this and
that.
Now I'm at the point I don't kill.
Yeah.
Now we can't get him to shut up.
Oh, squash is the word.

(46:57):
No, I think Johnny is.
No, no.
But I think talking in frontof a camera itself and knowing what
to say is saying with a purpose.
Yeah, you touch on that realquick, Jordan.
Yeah.
And I'm no, you know,professional on that side of it because
I'm usually behind the camera.
But as far as that goes,ultimately, like you said, you're
telling a story.

(47:17):
Don't be afraid to say thesame things over and over and over
to where.
Well, I got jumbled up on my words.
Yeah.
Just stop, take a breath,either pick up where you left off,
because that's the beautifulthing about editing.
You can make it look like youdid in one take, but don't be afraid
to do it a couple times to getused to it.
And I. I tend.

(47:39):
My girlfriend can contest this.
I tend to talk to myself sometimes.
It's just like you're talkingto yourself.
It's.
You're just holding the cameraand you're looking at it.
It's not like you're standingin front of, you know, 50,000 people,
because that'd be a different story.
But don't be afraid to.
To mess up because that.
There's guys that I still film today.
I'm not going to name them onthe given right.

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They will get jumbled up ontheir words.
I'll look at them like, dude,come on.
And then I'll start filmingthem again.
But even the guys you see ontv, they.
They mess up.
It's just reality.
We're human.
But yeah, I like seeing thosebloopers, though, at the end of the.
Like, a video.
Yeah.
And they're, like, talking,and it shows them, like, messing

(48:20):
up the words.
I'm like, oh, they're human too.
And I'm laughing at their.
Like they're real.
Yeah, there was one.
I'll have to send it to you, Brett.
We were up in Canada two yearsago, bear spring bear hunting.
And I was.
I'm gonna mention his name.
It was with Layden Force.
He's another one of our hosts.
Started at North American Whitetail.
Now he works with us.

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And we were trying to do.
It's kind of slow.
We're trying to do, you know,know just some talking points on
some of the gear we had justto kind of beat time.
I mean, you sit up there in astand spring bear.
Depending on how far north youare, you might be there till 10,
11 o' clock because you stillgot shooting light.
But there for about threehours straight, we were just giggling.

(49:04):
Laughing at each other becausehe could not get one cut of any of.
The gear list we were.
And I had made a video of it,and it's like a minute and a half
long of him getting like thefirst five words out and then just
forgetting what he was talking about.
It happens at the.
On the TV level for sure.
Oh, man, that's awesome.

(49:24):
See, that is fun.
We're not robots either.
We're.
Yeah, they're human, too.
We're human.
Yeah.
Well, Jordan, thank you fortaking time before your trip to come
on the show.
We greatly appreciate it, man.
No problem.
Got about 4amp fire questionsfor you.
Okay.
And then we'll let you go.
All right, sounds good.
What animals on your bucketlist to.
Hunt that I've already filmedor that just to shoot myself?

(49:47):
Yep.
You haven't done it yet.
You haven't done it yet.
Elk hunting.
I haven't draw.
Drew a tag yet, but that is.
That is on my top right now.
Cool.
What is the top state you wantto hunt?
I guess Alaska.
Just because it's.
I've seen it on TV.
I've.
I've been blessed to go andhunt and 30 some odd states now,

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so they all kind of geltogether as far as either, you know,
elk or whitetail or turkey.
I'd either hunt, you know,Alaska or give me, like, Kansas peak
rut.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Yep.
Yeah, I would love Kansas or Iowa.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
And I was even talking to aguy that, you know, we just met that

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he.
He's a.
He's in the army, stationedkind of near where we hunt in Kansas.
And on some of the public.
He's showing me pictures there.
And I mean, they're.
Yeah.
Like over two 220 inch deer.
I mean just absolute freaks on public.
And it's one place that.
Now granted, you're gonna haveto be able to draw it, but it's,

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it's definitely up there.
For sure.
Yeah.
I love and hate you, Kansas,all at the same time.
Now.
I, I know, I know.
I'm actually hoping I get, I'mhoping I get my tag for Idaho this
year.
Is that for, for whitetail orfor elk?
Elk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Down with the man.
The twilight hunter himself.

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All right.
Over at his place.
We'll see.
It's in December.
You gotta apply.
Yeah, but he's gonna let mestay at his place.
Basically the mountains whereall the elk and muleys are or right
behind his house.
That's perfect.
That's what I said.
We don't have to walk farbecause I'm not that kind of shape.
Yeah, no, he's an old.
So he, he brings his crutchesout there too.

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Dude, I'm going to have anelectric wheelchair with off road
ATV tires on that.
There you go.
If you can pick anybody to goon a hunting trip with or share campfire
with one time, who would thatperson be?
Probably, I'd honestlyprobably say my dad.
He's got to, he's got to seewhat I do, you know, from, from the

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videos and stuff.
But I, I, it'd be cool for himto be there like if one of those
elk come in screaming or it'dbe cool to have him there for this,
this Alaska trip just so youcould see it.
You'll have to drag his ass along.
Yeah, I, I think I finallyconvinced them to come up and hunt
with us in Canada this year.
So that'll be our first coolfirst date.

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That or I guess country.
But first place at Virginiathat he'll be hunting with me.
You going bear or deer huntingup there?
That'll be for waterfowl.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So get him a lot of, put a lotof ducks in his face and give him
a bunch of shells and just letthem have fun.
Are you old person?
It is fun.
It is fun.

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It's kind of like we do withbread at the beach.
We just let them play with shells.
He's got his little manhammock on, you know, and he runs.
Yeah.
Oh.
He doesn't get burned up because.
He'S, he looks like astarburst with thongs.
It's like spongebob on the beach.
Yes, he does look like spongebob.

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I feel like more like Patrick.
I'm more red like he.
Yeah.
You are more red.
That is true.
They don't let up on you, do they?
No.
If you ever get bored, jump onour group chat.

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You'll really like it.
Oh yeah.
It starts about 5, 36 everymorning and ends about 8, 9 o' clock
every night.
About every 30 seconds.
There's some bread abuse goingon in that group chat.
Let me tell you what.
Yeah.
Some.
Some real cool memes going on and.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Draw and stuff.
It's really fun.

(53:49):
Yeah.
Chat.
GBT's become a. Yeah.
An interesting tool to getafter some of your buddies for sure.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I'll say this.
You just see the one photothat we did with Dave or I think,
I think Johnny did it with.
Yeah.
When he was shooting at the 3D target.
I'll have to show it to you,Jordan, because it was funny as.
Yeah.

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I'll say this.
We were in the middle of courtand it's.
They're.
They're giving their speechesand like that.
I looked at my phone dead serious.
I laughed my assing up andthey all.
And the judge went like this, like.
Looked at you like.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Last question.

(54:31):
What do we need to do toimprove the hunting community?
Just be nice to each other.
We're going back to thekeyboard warriors.
Yeah.
If.
If it makes you happy and ifyou're a grown man and you want to
shoot a spike to fill yourfreezer, do it.
I don't care what like.
Granted there's.
There's a management sidebehind that obviously, but it doesn't

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matter if, if you want to fillyour freezers with a bunch of does
and you want to, you know, tagyour one deer you get every year
and it's a spike or a six point.
If you're doing it for theright reasons.
Who cares?
Just.
That's one thing that's kindof been driving me nuts a little
bit more is the whole.
The hate behind.
Yeah.

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You know, anything related tohunting more so of.
Oh yeah.
Doing this.
Right.
I know the big topic the lastcouple years is, you know, your saddle
public land hunters.
Now that's.
That's the ultimate way to hunt.
Don't hunt the only way.
The only way to hunt.
And if you're not doing it,you suck.
Yeah.
And you.
Even with turkey hunt, youcould go down the list with that.

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It's just if, if it makes youhappy and you love, you know, legally,
if you love to do it, then,then who cares?
Just.
Just have fun.
Right?
Yeah.
Squatch and Dave, be nice yeah.
Yeah.
Dude, that is nice.
If you.
I was just gonna say I thoughtwe were being pretty easy.
Jesus, man, you're only, like,on a four level, man.

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If I bring it up, like, 10,you're gonna cry.
Yeah, we're gonna be off the show.
Yeah.
No, but you're right, though.
It just seems like ever sincesaddle hunting, it started off years
ago, but it just seems like itramped up probably about a handful
of years ago later.
And it just seems like, well,if you're not saddle hunting, you're
not a hunter and all this other.

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I'm like, I love my permanent360 stand.
I love sitting in my ladder stand.
I have a buddy as all he huntsof out of his ladder stand because
he loves it.
I'm like, good for you, dude.
It's my first year salon thingonly because I want the chance to
be able to move around.
Yeah, we can have a wholediscussion about that.
But I'm just gonna say, yeah,we pressured him.

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Well, I just like.
Because it's another tool inmy toolbox.
My hunting toolbox.
We told him, you got to get in one.
Yeah.
Go.
Being a. Yeah, stop being alittle ginger.
Yeah.
A little gingerbread girl.
Okay, now he's getting upset.
I haven't had my tippy cow ina while.

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I know.
I'm feeling a little sensitive.
Dave and Squatch, I don't givea that you're here tonight.
Jordan, I thank you for comingon the show, though.
I greatly appreciate it.
These two can go off.
There's the off road going down.
Team me.
You can't leave.
You pay me.
Yeah, I know.

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Smiles.
Yeah, I was gonna say.
You haven't got a checkeither, have you?
Nah, I'm still waiting.
Yeah.
Dave, how can people reach outto you, man, and follow you along
your journey?
I'm on Instagram, YouTube andFacebook under PSC Mobile Hunter.
And is the whitetail advantageon Tuesdays.
Squatch, how about you?
You guys know the deal, man.

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I say it once a week, Saturdayor Sundays and Tuesdays here on the
old whitetail Advantage.
I'm also on boondocks withcranky and Mike, and you can catch
me on Instagram and theoutdoors and more with the squatch
on the YouTube channel.
Oh, don't forget grinding withthe Squatch on I forgive.
Actually, it's.
It's Frank and.
And, well, Bronson.
Him is Frank and Squatch.

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We got a little fans.
You keep looking down likeyou're petting something.
Is Johnny at your house anddoing something good for you?
And pet like.
Are you petting his head?
Oh, my dog's here.
Oh.
Because I heard some samething, isn't it?
Well, the dog listens.
Johnny don't.
That's true.
Johnny's a biter.

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Johnny's more fun to hit, though.
Yeah, he is.
I feel bad when I hit the dogif I got to, but.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordan.
Bless Johnny.
Jordan, how could peoplefollow along your journey, man?
You can follow me on Instagram.
I got it.
I think linked underneath myname there.
You might see me, my faceevery once in a while in the given

(58:42):
right.
And then hunt wild films.
That's kind of our.
Our waterfowl stuff for theoutfitter at Wild Valley Outfitters.
Anywhere on those.
Those three usually aroundeither filming or might catch my
face in front of the cameraevery once in a while.
But yeah.
Well, again, Jordan, thank youso much, man, for coming on the show
and good luck out there in Alaska.

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Thanks, man.
I appreciate it.
I want to go hunt in Alaska.
I want to go back, send some pictures.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, definitely.
At least.
Yeah, we'll get that.
Yeah, yeah.
Have a great rest of yournight, guys.
See you.
Oh, man.
Again, Jordan, thank you somuch, man, for getting on the show.
It hit it up a lot theretowards the end, but that's what's

(59:26):
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