August 11, 2025 • 57 mins
Edgar Martin joins us this week to share his expertise on hunting in those rugged, mountain-like terrains. He’s got some solid tips that’ll help you navigate those tricky landscapes and increase your chances of bagging that prized deer. We also dive into the nitty-gritty of knocking on doors to ask for hunting permissions, because let's be real, what's the worst that could happen? Spoiler alert: it could be awkward, but it’s part of the adventure! And then there's the classic debate around crossbows—are they a hunter’s best friend or just a shortcut? Join us as we explore our enthusiasm for hunting and all the shenanigans that come with it. Grab your favorite drink and settle in for a fun chat!
Takeaways:
- Edgar Martin gives expert advice on navigating mountainous terrains for hunting success, including finding deer trails and bedding areas.
- We share our enthusiasm for hunting, discussing everything from knocking on doors for permission to the nuances of crossbow usage.
- The importance of understanding deer behavior and utilizing terrain to your advantage is emphasized throughout the episode.
- We explore the humorous side of hunting, including the antics that come with asking for land access and the challenges of hunting in suburban areas.
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(00:01):
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage Podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
(00:22):
There's no intro tonight.
You guys know the routine.
Oh, thank God.
It's kind of boring.
I will say this, though.
I do.
I always like to say this.
Thank you to all the men.
Men and women in the military, though.
Thank you for your service.
I know John was in the serviceas well.
And also our guest tonight,Edgar, is still currently in the
service as well.
(00:43):
When is your contract end?
Or when do you see your time ending?
So I put in for my resignationDecember 1st.
I will officially be a civilian.
Nice.
How long officially, then?
I'll be a little over eightand a half years.
So, yeah, it's a little bitdifferent on the officer side.
So we just resign ourcommission vice, our contract being
(01:04):
up.
So once we serve a certainamount of time on the contract, you
know, we route some paperworkup and go through a whole bunch of
stuff to get officially resigned.
So I can still stay in thereserves if I want.
So we'll see.
What bridge are you in, man?
Marine Corps.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I don't have crayons.
I got markers.
My kids.
(01:25):
Yeah, green's my favoritecolor, so.
So, yeah, I was.
I was on this group chat nottoo long ago.
We were talking about, like,knocking on doors, right, and asking
permission to hunt private andall that stuff.
And I brought up this runningjoke, and it's like, yeah, every
time I go to knock on a doorand I see, like, a.
My son's a proud Marine orsomething like that or some Marine
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insignia, I always write anote in crayon, and I'll tape a crayon
to the paper and leave it there.
And I've had one person callme back and just, like, laugh about
it.
But other than that, did youget the permission?
No, No, I didn't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the biggest troll.
They just.
They call you back, and youdon't even get the permission.
That's tough.
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Oh, I know, I know.
And then one time, I did it toan Air Force dude.
I was actually talking to himfor, like, an hour, just shooting
the.
And I was like, so you mind ifI hunt here with my kids?
And like.
Oh, no, no.
Like that.
I'm hunting this.
You too, then.
That's good.
Well, as people might notknow, it's Edgar's second time on
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the show.
He was on episode 67, andtonight's episode is 167.
So 100 episodes later, 100 anniversary.
So Edgar So how many followersdid you end up losing because you
were on the show?
Probably.
Oh, I'm sure you probably losta big fan base because you were starting.
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To get a bunch of my commentsin my YouTube videos.
Started to, you know, just getworse and worse.
They just couldn't believethat I came on here and spewed a
bunch of bull crap.
And then they click, theyclick the unsubscribe button.
So it's on them.
I guess you're also now on about.
Two different watch lists too, so.
Exactly.
Yeah.
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Well, yeah, so that's another thing.
I don't know if I can, youknow, if I can go within 100ft of
a school.
Who knows?
Not if you have anything to dowith Brett Boven over here.
Oh, man, we've gotten dark onthe show since you've been on it.
Yeah, real dark.
Like, like downtown Detroit dark.
It's.
It's really doomer.
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There's some episodes in therewhere it's like, that is some up
humor.
Yeah, there's some.
It's probably, probably beingreviewed as we speak.
I'm sure the FBI is.
FBI is listening.
Oh, yeah.
I'm pretty sure that they'reprobably tracking my IP address and
all that stuff and whatnot.
No, but it's Sunday, August 10th.
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I know.
Edgar, like you said earlier,you're about a month away from your
season starting, correct?
We have about 56 days, right, John?
Yeah.
October 1st, which is like.
Yeah, I think it's like 55, 56days, something like that.
Yeah.
Squatch, you're right aroundthe corner too.
Yeah.
September, we got early bearstarts up here.
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And then they have like adough season, you know, like early
go out dough.
Really?
Really?
Hold on.
I'll be, I'll jump back on.
All right.
You got to do something with him.
I. I'm trying to.
I've been putting letterstogether for write ups and he's not
listening.
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Paper, you have to put inpaper, you know, keep a paper trail
on them because this isgetting carried away.
I know.
I don't count the lit.
So we had the liberty hunthere in Michigan.
Like the youth hunt.
Yeah.
You could say hunt season kindof starts in September.
But like, in my opinion,officially hunt season starts October
1st here too.
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I mean, really here too?
Yeah, yeah.
I've had a lot of people,they'll ask me, oh, you're a hunter.
Hunt season starts November15th, right?
I said, no, it starts October 1st.
I'm like, really?
What is that season?
It's the bow season.
It's so it's like weird.
At least here in Michigan,like bow hunting just seems to be
like this outcast, nobodyreally talks about it type thing.
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And gun hunting, November 15,it's like a national holiday.
I mean, a state holiday in thestate of Michigan.
Do you have anything similarto that there in Maryland, Edgar?
Like I said, our season, eversince I was, you know, started hunting,
you know, really young, Ialways remember the season always
opening up.
It was either the first orsecond Friday of September.
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So you did have an opportunityto potentially get a buck in velvet.
I think I killed a velvet buckone year.
He just shed.
He was going to shed reallylate, I guess.
I think Tennessee actually hasa, like an, like a three day season
where they do velvet at theend of August.
But no, we, you know, we, weget rocking there in, in September.
(05:58):
So first, first, first orsecond Friday, I think it's like
the seventh or the ninth orwhatever it is this year.
Nice.
Well, what, what are you doing?
I mean, I'm kind of curious tosee how you handle your hunting season
with your prep wise, at least.
And actually during yourhunting season though too, because
you're spending a lot of timeoverseas and you're not really doing
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a lot of time here.
So how do you take advantageof a very small window while you're
here back in the States beforeyou have to leave?
Yeah, so it was kind of weird.
Well, it actually got timedreally well.
You know, I deployed fromNovember to May, so it kind of worked
out in the sense of I got backpretty good time.
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June and July was pretty busy.
It's been kind of busy, butI'm about to transition.
Actually.
This is kind of a side note,but I'm actually starting a civilian
internship tomorrow.
So I'll be away from my unitfor, for, you know, August.
Well, yeah, the rest ofAugust, September and October.
So I'll have a little bit moretime to hunt, which is really good.
A little bit more time to dosome prep work.
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Actually.
I'm setting up like three orfour spots tomorrow with cameras
and everything like that,which this, this week is fine.
I mean, I didn't really needto get the jump on it.
I got a couple really goodpublic land spots.
I killed a really nice bucklast year on public in this one spot
that's just kind of a honey hole.
And yeah, I'm just gonna getsome cameras out there and do some
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scouting here in the next weekor two and then actually do a.
It's like a state hunt.
And I usually put in for thebow and the muzzleloader, they open
this island up for like fourdays out of the entire season.
And yeah, so I'll put in for that.
And I'll typically, typicallygo down there on the scout day, which
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I think they do one inSeptember and.
Or maybe they do like two orthree in September.
So I'll go down there and do that.
But with the public land, Istart with, with the mapping, you
know, now with all thistechnology we have with lidar and
all the mapping tools, I mean,there's no reason that you can't
have success on public land.
So what I'm curious to seewhat hunting app you use.
(08:05):
Do you use Spartan Forgebecause of.
Of light iron and I'm sureyou're used to it with your background.
Yeah, yeah.
So I have Spartan Forge.
I do mess with it a little bit.
Between that and Onyx, I sharean Onyx account with some of my buddies
for our Missouri property.
But other than that, yeah, I'musing both, you know, as needed.
But so, yeah, it's going to bea lot of that the next couple of
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weeks.
I'm going to be setting upthese bait sites, you know, trophy
rocks and corn.
Like I'm in a bait state, youknow what I mean, going private.
So I'm going to take advantageof it.
And yeah, it's going to be good.
This.
I'm really looking forward tothis one spot on public because,
man, it's so overlooked and Isaw two, just absolute giants.
But there's a.
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There's a ton of people thathunt it.
There's a ton of trails thatrun through it.
So there's a lot of humanactivity and stuff like that.
So it's kind of like playingchess with these, with these deer.
But I think it's going to be.
Be good, good challenge.
I know when we had.
We talked last, you do a lotof your hunting in the Blue Ridge
Mountains, correct?
Not as much.
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So that's where I grew up hunting.
Yeah, that's where pretty muchI learned all the tricks to the trade
that is, you know, all theskills that I learned up there.
Looking for deer sign andbeing out in the elements, hiking
a long ways, you know, some ofthe public land spots.
Now, you know, you're hikingin sometimes a ton of gear and camera
equipment, everything else.
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So a lot of that when I wasyounger prepped me.
So.
But yeah, my grandfather, myuncle pretty much taught me everything
there.
And, you know, you, you know,they'll always say you have to earn
your deer up There, which Ibelieve is true.
I think you have to earn adeer anywhere, whether you're hunting
in, in your backyard orwhether you're hunting in the Blue
Ridge Mountains.
But yeah, some good stuff out there.
I know Squatch is used tohunting in the mountain type terrain
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a lot more than I do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you gonna elaborate on that?
Yeah, well, yeah, no, I wasgetting there.
Just want to do.
Give him a chance to get intoit a little more.
But if you want me to takeover, I'll take over.
No, no, I'm just saying.
Yeah, if you want to, you can.
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Yeah, the, the, the mountainsalways hold the challenge.
I, I enjoy getting up in there.
I, I.
Where I live, it's.
It's Catskill Mountains.
It's still really rural area.
And, and I got a spot where weget up in there and, you know, we
play the thermals and we playthe saddles and the ridges, and we,
you know, run around.
We do really good.
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You know, the two bucks thatare next to the big one, that's.
Those are European mounts.
Those guys were shot about,you know, 30 seconds apart from each
other.
But that was just the firsttime going up in the mountain, sitting
down up in there.
And, you know, it's publicland, so it was really cool.
The next year after that, shota bear out of there in the same exact
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spot.
So, you know, I was kind of hooked.
I like hunting the mountainsup there, man.
It's freaking awesome.
And then you're from the, theBlue Ridge Mountains, so, I mean,
geez, you probably knowexactly what I'm talking about.
You know, you, you got a lotof bear?
Do you guys have.
You got a lot of bear up inthere, don't you?
Yes.
It was kind of funny.
So, I mean, I was born andraised in Baltimore City, but, you
know, my grandfather, hebought some land.
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Well, I mean, he hunted theBlue Ridge, you know, since the 70s.
Yeah.
Late late 60s and early 70s.
Right.
Old stump sitters, you know.
And so I remember growing upand we were always hunting out of
ground blinds that we wouldbuild ourselves with sticks or hunt
on the saddles.
My grandfather has this spoton top of one of the ridges that
we hunt out there on National Forest.
And, you know, he hunted thisbow stand for years.
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He shot a giant bear out ofthere one year with his bow.
They kill a ton up there.
I mean, nothing giant, you know.
I mean, the deer up there,they don't have much to eat.
There's not as really much crop.
You're really dependent onacorns and, you know, good rain up
there in some of the creeks.
But like I said, it's a challenge.
You know how it is, you know,up there, you know, you're hunting
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in the.
The sticks when they call them hollers.
Yeah.
Down in the bogs and thehollers and the.
Down in the hollers.
So.
Yeah, I haven't been up therein a few years.
I might make a trip up therethis year.
I'm not a big gun hunter, butit's always cool to go up there.
You know, my grandfather's,you know, he's a little older now,
so.
Yeah.
Um, looking forward to maybegetting up there with him this year,
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you know, during muzzleloader or.
Or the gun season.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's.
I'm.
Hey man, count your blessings.
You still got your grandfather around.
I miss my severely.
It's been a long time.
What advice would you have?
So, for instance, we're goingdown to Indiana here in October and
we're hunting some.
I want to say mountain liketerrain, but it's very hilly.
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It's very mountain or.
I don't mean.
That's not a word.
Mountain, less mountain liketerrain and a lot of steep ridges
and stuff like that.
I'm a little nervous becauseit's gonna be my first time hunting
this type of terrain.
So what type of advice you gotfor me to go down there and start
looking for and to make sureat least try to harvest a deer so
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my wife doesn't kill me that Ispent 300 down the drain?
Yeah.
I mean, one.
One piece of advice.
My.
You know, again, this, thisgoes all the way back to the guys
that were killing deer back inthe 70s before we had all this technology.
Deer are lazy at the end ofthe day.
So you have to realize thatfinding trail networks is going to
be a little bit easier becausethey're, they're creatures of habit.
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And you said you're going tobe there in October, so going to
semi be.
You know, the bachelor groupsare probably going to probably almost
be broken up at that point.
But regardless, you want to find.
You know, like Squatch wassaying, any type of saddle is going
to be ideal because that's howthe deer travel.
Right.
They're lazy.
They're not going to walkdirectly up a ridge.
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If you're hunting in a ravine,you know, find the trails that come
off those ravines.
You know, they're like I said, they're.
They're going to utilize thoseto make it to the Lower ground.
So that's probably the numberone best piece of advice just terrain
wise.
Right.
You don't want to switch smoke yourself.
Walking up and down ridges andblowing deer out of.
I'm assuming there's going tobe like mountain laurel up there
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if it's pretty terrain heavy.
And sometimes those deer eatthat laurel.
They bet in that laurel.
Right.
So hunting on the other sidesof those are pretty ideal as well.
And of course, playing thewind because typically in areas that
are more mountainous andterrain heavy like that, these deer
aren't used to seeing people.
So they're, you know, they.
They see something move at ahundred yards, Even though they already
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don't have great eyesight,they may blow out of there, you know,
a little bit different than ifyou're hunting a suburban deer.
That.
That kind of patterns humans.
I have bucks here that pattern me.
Oh, yeah.
Had a buck last year that Iwas chasing.
And I mean, he was probably a150 to 160 class typical.
And I mean, he would pop up onmy camera 30 minutes after I got
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down for like, for like twoweeks straight.
And so, I mean, I just.
It's just unbelievable.
Right?
So that's definitely just the.
The differences between the two.
But playing the wind,understanding the bedding and.
And food source, you can saythat really about hunting anywhere.
Right?
That's typical is like foodsource, water.
Right.
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Deer are lazy.
But in those heavy, denseareas that are pretty mountainous,
Just realizing that, look, if.
If I were a deer, where wouldI go?
That it's the easiest totravel and it's the easiest to travel
to and from my food.
And it's typically notdirectly up and down ridge lines.
Yeah.
I'm curious because we'regoing to be talking to Dave.
He said, yeah, we're going tobe packing in.
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We got our campsite.
But from where he's beenfinding these pins at on doing some
e scouting.
And he's got a buddy that'skind of tracked some.
Did some out in the fieldtracking out there and scouting too.
We're going to be packing in along way from.
From our campsite to hiking inthese woods, from where we're going
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to be trying to hunt thesedeer ads.
So I'm.
I'm excited for it.
I've been training a lotharder because, like, I'll say this,
we people should know at leastback in March, I set it up for a
goal to lose some weight.
I want to get back into better shape.
My fat ass is weighing about215 to 20 or something like that.
I was like, like that.
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Then I got working out.
So Now I'm about 206ishroughly in that ballpark, 205 now
and just been running non stopand so and doing a lot of uphill,
downhill running, stuff like that.
So my fast has got into shapenow so I'm looking forward to that.
But nothing compared pairs tobeing out the woods with boots on
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and up and down terrain, goingup steep, stuff like that.
So I'm unfortunate that's whyI just bought that E bike because
I'm 50, so I got some years onyou guys and it don't get no easier.
So just you know, enjoy it now.
I'm just.
Yeah, it's, it's.
Dude, I.
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And it came with a, like atrailer cart behind it too, like
included.
So I was like well hell,that's going to be great because
I could throw my buddy Frankin there and just drive around and
you know, pull him out to astand too if he wants to go whip
me on the bike.
Because the thing's got allkinds of power I guess.
But nah, I mean basically man,it's just going to be.
I have a side by side that weuse to go up in those mountains.
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So we're from where we park onthe end of a cul de sac in the town
road.
It's up in the middle ofnowhere but you can't go any further
with a vehicle.
So we jump in my side by side.
But that damn thing is evencreeping in there with that, you
know, it just echoes off thosevalleys and stuff in there and, and
I've seen a decline from whenwe used to be able to get a truck
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up in there that would, youknow, run up there pretty quiet.
But I'm hoping with the bike,you know, and it's, it's less to,
you know, tag around with.
I mean you could just throw itin the bed of the truck, pull it
out, you know, throw yourstuff on your back and go.
It's got like a nice littlerack on the, you know, above the
rear tire and stuff.
So I, I think it's going to bea real game changer, man.
Especially for somebody likeme getting older and you know, like
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the walking stuff.
I'm, I'm still as good once asI ever was.
But having that bike's gonnastop you from getting all sweated
up, getting all, you know,with your gear on.
You know how it is, you hikein, you, you know, you try to keep
some clothes off so you're notsweating up by the time you get up
in there.
And I don't know, man, I justhope it's going to be a game changer.
I think it's going to bereally cool.
So it's.
It's kind of funny.
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Speaking on e bikes.
I don't know if this is like aphenomenon or not or just, again,
creatures of habit, but sothe, the property that my best friend
owns out In Missouri, it's1500 acres.
And so it's a huge project to manage.
He has guys that manage it andwe go out there for a week every
November and you know, butwe're consistently getting trail
cam photos and stuff withthese deer.
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And it's funny, when we go invia E bikes or if the land guy is
going on E bikes, it's funny.
These deer get.
Get more spooked than if it'sthe side by side.
So really, man, managers drivearound on side by sides all summer,
checking cameras, putting insome plots, you know, and the deer
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get used to it.
We noticed going in on ebikes, even though it's silent, they
were more spooked.
No kidding, right?
So it's crazy.
So.
Well, you know what?
One way or the other,something's going to spook them.
Whether it's your scent,whether it's the sound, you know,
And I can relate to thatbecause I live with apple orchards
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all in behind me where I huntin the one spot.
And you know, the guys are outthere picking right in the prime
time of the year when you,hey, there's a deer out in my backyard.
In fact, just looked out.
Yeah, but no, like I said, youknow, with the tractors running around,
the guys picking, it doesn'tphase them freaking deer one bit,
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man.
They could care less.
They could care less.
I wonder if it's a buck.
I don't have my banana.
Yeah, going up the hill now.
Two of them.
That's good.
Michael's asking if I'm on my period.
You look annoyed and upset.
You do look a little bloated tonight.
(20:06):
Are you carrying some extrawater weight around, Brett?
I've just been drinking a lotof water.
Okay.
It's not been a good week.
I'm just.
Oh.
Emotional right now.
Really?
Really?
You got the emotions flowing too?
Yes.
Okay, just.
Just leave it there.
Okay.
Just, just.
Wow.
Just take it as epic you'll be.
I, the blind hunter, he made a comment.
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He says, my buddy loves the ebike for sneaking up on wild game.
That's cool.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's that's, that's sometalent right there because.
Yeah, I mean, I noticed that too.
I mean I've never used one upin the Blue Ridge, which I don't
really know if I would justbecause I like using like wind, you
know, to the advantage ofnoise as well.
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Right.
I think like we all do.
But if I'm on the ground onpublic whipping around in an E bike,
I mean these deer aren't usedto seeing that at all.
Yeah, yeah.
One of the public spots I hunthere in Maryland is there's a bunch
of.
It's a bike trail that runsthrough the woods.
Yeah.
So the buck I killed lastyear, like I had guys, I had like
four or five guys actually onthe trail whipping through and the
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buck, you know, the buck stillwalked in.
So I mean, I think it's justthey're a product of their environment.
Whatever they grow up seeingevery day is what they're gonna become
used to and know what isdanger and what is not danger.
Right.
They don't, if they don'tassociate it with danger, then they're
just not gonna.
It's, it's funny you bringthat up because they hunted a piece
of land that was, they calledit the scenic ridge land.
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And it was a bunch of privateland that the like the state organization
bought up and you could filefor a permit to get in and hunt the
land.
And it was bow, rifle or youknow, late season muzzle loader.
And I ended up drawing allthree tags for the place.
And it's so funny because whenyou pull into the parking lot first
thing in the morning, it'smaybe like you and one other guy
that's hunting.
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So I was like, yo, buddy,where are you going?
And he's like, well, I'm goingthat way.
I'm like, cool, because I'mgoing to go that way.
And like you'd see the sametruck every once in a while in those
places, but around like 8:30,9:00 clock, you got your hikers and
they're walking around, youknow, and there's signs up everywhere.
We're orange, it's deerseason, you know, there's hunters
in the woods, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
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And the reason why theyallowed you to hunt the property
is because the deer were justtearing up the undergrowth and they
needed to cull the herdbecause there was just so much damage
being done to the outdoors up there.
So I end up flattening theseven pointer with my 257 Roberts
at about like 120 somethingyards off this ridge, and I'm dragging
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a deer up the hill.
I got my pack on my back, Myrifle's in it.
Here comes two broads walkingup the trail, and I got this thing
gutted out.
It's bleeding everywhere.
And I'm like.
I'm like, you guys, first off,don't have any orange on.
I hope you know it's huntingseason, and I got a dead deer behind
me, so if you don't want tosee that, maybe just go around that
path over there.
But it was so funny.
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It was like having your ownpersonal deer drivers, and they didn't
know what the hell they weredoing for you, but they were driving
deer because they're justwalking around the property.
And the deer would be like,oh, people, let me go this way.
And you're hiding out over bythis ridge.
And it was great.
I. I liked hunting that place.
It was really cool.
You know, it's like you gotyour own personal deer drivers.
You talk about deer, you know,getting acclimated to what the hell's
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going on in there, and it was great.
And not only that, the trails,in the fall, the leaves were super
quiet because they beat thepiss out of them walking in and out
of here all the time.
So you could sneak right upthrough these ridges and stuff up
there.
It was actually a pretty coolplace to hunt.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
No, no, go ahead, Edgar.
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No, I was saying.
I.
You know, I. I used to getreally frustrated when I first started
hunting this piece, because I.I just.
I was filming people on this trail.
I mean, they were being.
I mean, they post signs that,you know, it's hunting season and
there's archery hunters hereand all this stuff, and.
And, you know, the people are.
They're ignorant to it, right?
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They don't.
A lot of them don't hunt thearea that it's in.
I know a lot of people don't hunt.
Even.
There's.
There's a lot of giants around there.
But I got so frustratedinitially, and I'm like, man, like,
these people are ruining my hunt.
These people.
This sucks.
Blah, blah, blah.
And then it took, like, mysecond or third time there.
My uncle was like, you know that.
You know that they're used toseeing these horses on the horse
trail, and they're used toseeing these people make this noise.
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And I was like, all right,well, I'm still trying to keep my
hopes up, because I'm like, I'm.
Am I just wasting my time or.
So I end up seeing A giant thenext day, and he's looking up at
the, you know, the people upon the trail and then just flicks
his tail and moves along likenothing happened.
So I'm like, ah, you know what?
Well, didn't matter.
So it is what it is.
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They're used to it.
Yeah, that's just it, man.
I mean, like I said, livinghere, you'll, you'll.
I don't know how many times, man.
And then there's guys that goin the orchard and they goose hunt
out of the ponds over there.
So it's poo, poo, poo.
And it's still archery season.
I'm like, ah, here goes myfreaking morning.
You know, it's like, but, youknow, what do you do?
They're allowed to, you know,they're allowed to have their season.
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They gotta, they can do whatthey want.
You know, I can't tell them, but.
And, and be honest with you,the deer don't care.
They just, they just keep,keep walking around.
It's more bothers you than itbothers the deer.
Yeah.
100.
You know, there's a.
There's.
There's a spot out in Nebraskathat I used to hunt in in college.
Actually.
I killed my biggest archery buck.
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Oh, no, he's probably my second.
Anyways, full velvet eightpoint is.
This piece of property is sucha hidden gem.
It's such a.
It's only like a 4 or 5 acrepiece of land off on the side of
the road that not many people hunt.
Yeah.
But I hunted there one yearand there's.
There's like a thousand acrebean field.
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And then next to it is like athousand acre cornfield.
It's just all open.
And I'll never forget, I washunting there one day and I'm looking
at the combines and thesecombines come through and I'm like,
oh no, my hunt.
Next thing you know, here popsout this.
I mean, just a hammer.
And I'm like, oh my God.
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He just went on his way, justlooked at the combine and just kept
chasing the dough.
Didn't even care.
I was like, wow.
Yeah.
No, absolutely, man.
I mean, they, they become acclimated.
And actually where I grew up,there was a paintball place.
The guy shot paintball.
They had like 300 acres nextto our property.
And you know, Saturday morningthey're all yelling and screaming
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and I'm like, son of a.
You know, and it's like.
But it did it.
I had deer come walking in andI was like, it's actually good because
when they started invadingtheir 300 acres to play paintball
games.
It knocked all the deer outover towards my piece of property,
which I was adjoining to.
So ended up working out allright for me when I was a kid growing
up there and stuff.
And my other.
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My cousins and stuff had 300acres behind us.
And all the city cousins wouldcome up and it was like the orange
army, you know, they'd alljust like walk shoulder to shoulder.
The pumpkin army?
Yeah, man.
I would just be sitting there.
I'm like, let him.
Let him drive it over to.
Let them drive them over to me.
And, you know, after theyheard a couple shots ring out, they
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would show up to the garage.
What'd you get?
We heard you shoot.
I'm like, yeah, if you guyswould sit still, you'd probably get
something too.
What state are you in again?
I'm in New York, and I'm up inthe Hudson Valley in New York.
I'm right at the base,basically the Catskill Mountains,
Hudson Valley area.
Okay, nice.
It's.
It's.
It's not like, you know, NewYork City or nothing.
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We're right pretty rural up here.
I'm curious, what would beyour biggest pet peeve while out
hunting?
Private or public?
I mean, probably hunterharassment, especially a lot of the
suburban areas that I hunt.
Yeah, my neighborhood is verysuburban, but there's also 150 to
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170 inch deer walking around.
And it's really annoying when,you know, neighbors that know you're
hunting there know that youhave permission to hunt there, walk
through property that's nottheirs, or actually the spot I was
telling you about where thatbuck would.
Would come in.
Every time I'd get down the.
The neighbor would.
He wouldn't leash his dog, andhis dog would run down his dog.
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Would he.
He would know.
He knew when I would.
Pretty much he'd see meparking, you know, in the neighbor's
driveway to go down into thewoods and he would just let the dog
come down into the, you know,into my.
In my little ravine there, andhe'd run all around and, man.
Yeah.
Hunter harassment or just.
Just pure.
Just ignorance?
You know, I'm in a very bluestate and like, to be honest, a lot
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of neighborhoods and a lot ofthe population doesn't like or support
hunting.
I did some door knocking last year.
I mean, I swear I door knockedon every house within 50 miles of
this place.
I was chasing another justsuburban giant, and I had lost permission
at one spot.
So I was like, well, I'm gonnaask this HOA.
If they would, they owned likethis 45 acre piece and they did nothing
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with it.
And it's in this.
It's just in this perfectcreek bottom.
I mean, if I showed you thisspot, you, you would just.
I would buy it if I could.
I mean, it's.
It is unbelievable.
And it's just a massive pinch point.
The deer have everything they need.
And I killed a really nicedeer there when I had permission
to hunt the piece that wasconnected to it.
But I lost that.
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And man, I swear, I swear adoor knocked everywhere.
And I just got the weirdestresponses that got the craziest nose,
you know.
Really?
Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Oh, yeah, it's not surprising.
Just weird nose.
And again, like, I, I utilizedit as an avenue to educate because
I did probably doorknob.
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I'd say 50 were people thatwere just like, no, get out of my
house or get off my property.
Get off my porch.
You know, the 2% yeses.
But then like, the rest werepeople that just didn't know, right?
They're like, oh, I didn'tknow you could archery hunt here.
Oh, like, what does that entail?
You know, so use it as ateaching moment.
But yeah, we do a lot withthat here in Maryland.
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But we also have a lot ofpublic land that's overlooked.
So one thing, one thing I did,Edgar, that it's.
And that is available to youalso because it covers, I think all
50 states, but you can get inat New Jersey Bow Hunters organization.
It costs you $35 a year formultimillion dollar liability insurance
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that covers you.
They give it to you in writing.
And when you're knocking ondoors more than a Jehovah Witness
to get permission, you canfreaking do good by showing somebody
you say, hey, look, first off,you know, I'm really interested in
your property.
You know, I've got referencesup to yin yang.
Plus I'm covered bymultimillion dollar liability insurance
policy.
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So nothing, even if somethingwas to happen to me here, has to
worry you about me gettinghurt here if something was to happen.
That's a great point.
And let me tell you, man, for35 freaking bucks a year, it's.
It's well worth it.
It's been a selling point forme with people, you know, it's the
first thing I bring up, youknow, well, so and so I said, yeah,
but does so and so have insurance?
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What do you mean?
Well, I do.
I have insurance.
And you know, somethinghappens, I'm covered with not coming
after you.
Nobody's coming after you.
And they're like, wow, really?
Do you have proof of that?
Yeah, absolutely.
Here.
Wow.
Here's a.
Here's a printed copy of whatI have.
It's bad.
Never even thought of that.
I never thought of that either.
And you know what?
I can't take the credit for it.
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Actually.
It was on one of the showssome guys that I had first, like,
got to know when I was gettingon social media.
They had the New Jersey BowHunters association on, and the one
guy brought it up, and I'mlike, wait a minute.
Is it.
Is it for everybody?
And he's like, yeah, yeah, wecover all the states and stuff.
It's, you know, it's legit.
Everything's there.
You pay the 35 to the organization.
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And plus, it's a goodorganization, you know, I mean, they
do a lot for youth bow hunting.
A lot of women involved withgetting, you know, and in archery
and.
And they promote the sport.
And it's really a good deal,you know, for 35 bucks, it's a little
bit of insurance, you know,and it gives people a peace of mind
that you're a respectful, youknow, hunter, that, you know, you.
You're.
You're, you know, coveringyour butt if something happens.
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Because, Garen, I mean, I canhonestly tell you, years ago, because
we had a substantial piece ofproperty, we were approached by multiple
gun clubs.
And it was always.
My grandmother was alwayslike, well, what happens if somebody
gets hurt?
You know, it was the firstthing out of her mouth.
So, you know, when people.
You're asking somebody, aperfect stranger, for, you know,
permission, it's runningthrough their mind, well, yeah, this
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guy wants to come out on theproperty, what if he gets hurt?
You know, and if you say,yeah, but how many.
Pete, not to go up.
How many actual people thatyou ask to hunt on their properties?
At the first thought, I'mgonna assume it's.
Yeah, I had a ton last year, actually.
It's really.
He brings this up.
Yeah, I had probably.
I mean, I probably doorknocked one day on like 15 or 20
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doors, and I will say probablylike five.
Like, probably half of themsaid something about that.
Yeah, so that's actually likea great point.
I wonder if I go back to themnow with the liability.
Like I said, some of them werejust, like, ignorant.
They just didn't know what itwas about.
And, like, people get weirdwhen they.
In the unknown.
They just think it's strange.
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It's something that peopledon't really think of especially
if they never grew up hunting, so.
Well, if you're in a blue state.
If you're in a blue state,just wear a Biden Harris T shirt.
Knock on doors.
Exactly.
Oh, I love them.
Oh, I'm so mad Kamala didn'tget in.
Oh, God.
I. I gotta take my aggressionsout on the deer.
Oh, come right in.
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It's so funny because I kindof knew my audience for some of these
properties.
You know, they were definitelypeople further on the left and cared
about the environment.
You know, I'm surrounded bythree or four neighbors that.
That feed the deer literallyin their front yard.
I drive out of my driveway andsee them every day.
And, you know, I approached it and.
And not only did I, you know,you introduce yourself, make them
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feel safe, right.
It's a stranger walking up totheir door.
But I went the avenue of notliability at first.
I went to, you know, know theenvironment and the car accidents
that these deer in the areaare causing.
Right.
I mean, our county is unlimited.
You know, I had to break downthe statistics for a couple people
because they didn't realizenot one.
How many car accidents werehappening in the state, how many
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fatalities, how many injuries.
But also the population ofdeer that are so overpopulated that
the herd is.
Is dying, essentially starving.
Right.
You know, a lot of people.
Oh, they eat my flowers.
Well, yeah, they're eatingyour flowers because they don't have
any other food source.
Because my trail camera lastyear, I had 17 does in one photo.
So it's.
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It's just.
Yeah, I.
That's the.
That's the route that I wentwas, you know, the environment and,
you know, helping out theherd, car accidents and stuff like
that.
Because a lot of people see alittle fuzzy deer and they're like.
Well.
Yeah, they're like, oh, you know.
Side note, real quick.
Did you see that they'remaking a new Bambi movie and it's
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like a horror movie.
Is it a horror?
They made it into a horror movie.
Apparently the Disney ownedthe rights to it.
They didn't re up theircontract or whatever with the rights
or something.
And this new outside companybought the Bambi rights and they
made it into this horror movie.
And apparently they did thesame thing to this Winnie the Pooh
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one.
Now, I seen the.
The trailer.
The Bambi.
I think it might be Pinocchio, actually.
Yeah, they screwed up Pinocchio.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, you know what I'mtalking about.
Family Guy.
Pinocchio movie was.
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Was criminal.
Yeah.
I'm not a Political guy by any means.
Right.
But, yeah, the Pinocchio movie was.
Yeah, it's criminal.
What.
What they're putting into the media.
But no, I. I didn't even thinkthat was a thing of.
Obviously, you.
You.
When you have people on yourproperty, you're.
One of your main thoughts is,well, what if they get hurt and I
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gotta pay for all their crapand they sue me and this and that.
But when it came to hunting, I.
That was not anything in therealm of thinking of that at all,
though.
And that's actually a.
A really good point to startbringing up while you're going to
knock on doors.
You.
You.
Edgar.
I probably.
If you went to 10 houses, youprobably want to assume.
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Probably got eight of themsaying yes, that you could, because,
well, he's covered.
Oh, pro.
I mean, most definitely.
Now, to kind of change theconversation, what if I roll it up
with a crossbow?
Let's talk crossbows.
Oh, man.
Well, I.
You know, that's like one ofthe biggest topics in.
In archery hunting.
And I feel like in bow hunting is.
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Is everybody wants to.
Everybody's opinion on crossbows.
So.
I'll give you my opinion on crossbows.
I think it is the.
The lazy man's archery in thesense of.
I. I'll say this.
My dad has shoulder issues.
He can't draw back a bow.
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So the people that can't drawback a bow, you're excluded from
this conversation because youphysically can't do that.
So you have legit reason touse a crossbow.
I'm not talking about you.
I'm talking about the peoplethat physically still can draw back
a bow.
I think it's the version ofsitting on your couch and getting
fat.
It's equivalent to that.
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Like, you're.
You're just taking the cheap,easy way out.
All you gotta do is pull backit, and it shoots five miles, and
you can hit the size of apenny every time you do it.
And it's shooting faster thanthe speed of light type deal.
I think it's just lazy.
Yeah, No, I, I think the.
You know, I'm a big advocateof, like, Michael Waddell when he
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said that, shoot whatever youwant with whatever you want.
I agree.
Like, I. I would huntgrasshoppers if there was a season
for it.
Right.
But, yeah, I definitely thinkthat especially in today's culture,
the crossbow thing, it gets alittle weird.
There's a little bit of a grayarea where these states open up these
regulations to allow crossbow hunting.
And it almost seems like arifle season in September, right?
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Yeah.
You look at the numbers fromOhio last year.
I'm not going to quote the statistic.
I think I looked at theprevious years, but there was like,
like, I think like 40 of theirarchery bucks were killed with a
crossbow from Ohio.
Sorry, sorry.
40 of their bucks in generalwere killed with a crossbow.
It was some number like that.
Don't quote me, but I lookedit up from the 2023 season and yeah,
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like you said, it's, I thinkthe barrier to, you know, vertical
bow hunting is a littleintimidating to people and there's
just an easier option for guysnow to, to utilize it.
Right.
Personally, like with whateveryou want to hunt with.
Right?
Yeah.
I don't give two shits ifyou're, if you're out in the woods,
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you're hunting, have fun with it.
I'm just gonna have myopinions on it.
Yeah, exactly.
Like if, if you're an ablebodied man, take the effort, take,
take up the challenge and youknow, hunt with a vertical bow.
That's just kind of mine.
So let me, let me say what Iwant to say about the thing first,
but with the crossbows.
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I have hunted with a crossbow.
I own two.
I got one for my fatherbecause he's 74, so it's hard for
him to pull bow back.
I shot a doe with the crossbow.
It was a cool hunt.
You know what?
It takes skill.
Listen, it's, it's just likeshooting a freaking rifle.
But you got to make sure yougot a good shot.
There's a lot of variables.
Okay?
If I shoot a deer with thebow, I, of course my love is sitting
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there with a compound bow or arecurve in my hand.
I can honestly say I've killeda deer with a recurve.
No sights, you know, the oldschool way, okay?
I like being able to hunt withany weapon that they're saying that
I can go out and enjoy thewoods with.
I rifle hunt, I muzzleloader hunt.
Any, any time that I can breakout and do something different, I
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want to do it.
And it's.
It, let's face it, I can sitin that stand every day with a bow
in my hand and after a while,if I shot a deer, maybe two deer
with the bow, it gets boring.
I want to take something else out.
I want to take something else.
I want to, I want to see thatfreaking bolt going at 320ft through
a buck, you know?
So I mean, let, let's behonest, man.
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I mean, you know, I, if somelook as long as you're not pointing
the thing out.
The freaking, you know, driverside window of your truck, is it
small enough to freaking jackdeer with or something like that.
You're being an idiot about it.
Then I got a problem with it.
But if you're just taking itout and you, you know, you got to
understand too, sometimesguys, they, they try and try and
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try, they try to shoot a bowand they're just not, you know, capable
enough.
But they pick up the crossbowand it's like, well, hell, I can
still get out early season andget a deer with the crossbow and
I got to go to work.
I don't, I only got a week's vacation.
You know, See, there's a lotof variables, man.
I mean, you know, I, I, I justtry to look at the whole picture
and be open to stuff.
Like I said, my, my main loveis sitting there in a tree with a
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nice compound bow or arecurve, watching that buck in the
fall come in and man, justdrawing back and making that shot
with that bow count.
But let me tell you something,it's a lot of fun shooting them crossbows
too, man.
You know, I'll, I'll say tothat point, I agree with you.
Yeah, there's probably somevariables out there that I'm unaware
of.
Like you do, because I, I'venever shot with a crossbow.
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My dad has.
I think though, if you can'tshoot a crossbow, you can't shoot
a compound bow.
And you say, well, I justcan't do that.
No, you're just not putting inthe effort to do it and the preparation
to do it.
And you probably just don'thave the mindset.
Well, I can get past.
There's a, plenty of women out there.
Not to get sexist or whatever,but they can pull back a 50 pound
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bow, 40 pound bow, whateverthe case may be.
And they can do it with, yeah,with a light, a light poundage bow
is what I'm trying to get at.
Not that they can do it, butI'm saying they can pull back a light
pound bow.
Yeah, you can start low is thepoint I was trying to make.
And work your way up.
You don't need to be shootingCam Haynes 90 pounds all the time.
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So yeah, I think you make agreat point.
Like, it's kind of like, allright, so like the medium between
the two views is like, youknow, if, if you're a vertical bow
guy and yeah, and you do likehaving that mix up of, hey, I want
to shoot a high powered rifleat 300 yard.
I want to shoot this elk at650 yards with a 300 win mag.
Like I think that's adifferent story than you know, lazy,
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able bodied 20 to 30 year oldguy that never picks up a vertical
bow and he's just like wellI'm just going to take the easier
route.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's the differencein, in the different views and then
I think it just, it's justindependent on the person too.
Right.
Like Squatch, he likes doshooting all the stuff with all the
stuff.
He'd go out there with handgrenades if he, if it was legal.
Probably.
Yeah.
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I'm gonna try tywire next year.
Yeah.
Or set out claymores or.
Yeah.
But then like personally me,like I just, I don't.
There's something so deep inme that is so attracted and drawn
to archery, hunting whitetailsand it's like all I ever think about
and want to do.
You know, I don't, I don'teven want to put any energy into
anything else until Iphysically can't pull a bow back.
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And if I can't pull a bowback, I probably won't ever use a
crossbow.
That's just personally me.
Right.
I'll pull my muzzleloader outbecause it's the next closest thing
to a bow in my opinion.
So.
So I don't know.
I just love it all.
I'm already getting pumped upfor the season.
I'm excited.
Yeah.
You made a great point in thelast show.
And we'll kind of use this asthe last talking point to wrap up
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for tonight.
How deer make grown men justgo crazy.
That ever since you said that,it's been living with me in my head
rent free ever since, man.
I mean you just.
I see it every year.
I even see it happen it now.
I saw it happen a bunch last year.
It's.
It is phenomenal what a deerwill do to a community of guys that
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are supposed to beconservationists first and foremost,
regardless of if you shoot orI shoot it.
You know the pencil swingingbattle of I'm gonna shoot this deer
before you.
It's just, it's crazy.
We're talking about live animals.
In my opinion, the solepurpose of getting out in the outdoors
is to enjoy yourself.
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It's to con, continue to learnabout the deer, learn about the environment,
but then be good stewards ofthe land.
And I think a lot of guys intoday's generation, they have all
the tools given to them.
And I know we could go into atrail you know, a cell cam discussion,
too, at some point.
But it's.
It's amazing how an animalwill just make people go crazy.
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I mean, you see relationshipsget broken up.
Friendships, families.
I've seen families stoptalking to each other because this
guy shot his ear.
It's like, it.
I don't know.
It's hunting season.
Brings the out in everybody,let me tell you.
That's what I've always said.
Yeah.
What's.
I'm drawing his blank on his name.
(45:15):
From the spleen.
He's older now.
Got, like, the gray rough.
No, he's from, like, Wisconsin.
Oh, Larry Weisson.
No.
I'll have a picture with him.
Yeah, I was, like, 12 years old.
I went out to the easternoutdoor show with my grandfather,
and.
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Good dude.
Yeah, I took a pic.
I always used to rememberwatching him when I wrote whitetails
with the contender.
Yeah, man.
45, 70.
Government.
That's.
That's what he carried.
Yep.
This, man, that, and Mr. Whitetail.
Larry Watson.
Yep.
I want to say his name.
Starts with a T. Tea.
You're not thinking.
You're thinking Fitzgerald.
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Well, he was on his show.
Okay.
I don't know.
Anyway, that's just gonna bugme because I have his face right
there implanted in my brain.
Look it up.
Was he, like, a top hunter?
Like, yeah, he's a very famous hunter.
And he's like, how famous canhe be?
What's he got a gray beard?
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He's got, like, a grayish,darkish beard.
He was Tim Shaky.
No, wasn't Tim Shock.
He's from Wisconsin, I think.
Wisconsin.
The up Michigan area.
Babe Winkleman.
No, guy.
I haven't heard of him in forever.
He's still alive?
Oh, yeah.
Guys, I'm 50 years old.
I'm going back to when thiswas on espn.
All right.
I mean, you know.
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Okay.
I was thinking of pnn.
That's the old school tnn.
Back when Jury Outdoors wasfirst on tv.
Yeah.
Come on.
Barry Wenzel.
Barry Wenzel?
Nope.
Tiffany Lakoski.
No, it's a dude.
Come on.
What's his name?
I don't know.
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He can't be that famous.
I mean, if, like, I think.
I think one of his shows thathe was on, like, he had his own platform.
Will Primos.
The.
The Beast.
I think it was the Beast.
No.
Oh, Brett, you.
So I. I need to figure thisout now before.
Really.
(47:20):
Because this is going to make.
Me cry if somebody coulddonate a brain to Brett out there
in the freaking audience.
Just a brain cell, because.
Come on.
Yeah.
This is what non drinking doesto your host of your show.
When he was, when he wasdrinking Tippy cow, at least he had
some kind of freaking knowledge.
Wait, oh no, you're in Michigan.
Never mind.
You're not.
Dan in fault Dan in full.
(47:43):
You couldn't remember Dan info.
It took me a minute.
I told you.
Jesus.
Either way.
All right, like, I rememberhearing this story.
Like he said that he wouldgive up like a whole lot of family
stuff like because of hunting.
Like he missed likeanniversaries and, and, and birthdays
and stuff like that.
(48:03):
I piss some people off notshowing up for like weddings and
parties.
And it's like, listen,October, from there on, don't plan
nothing.
I was mad at my friend lastyear because I was chasing this giant
nine pointer that, that was inmy backyard property.
I have two acres that I own.
And I was chasing after this monster.
And I'm in.
(48:25):
I'm literally.
His wedding is.
His ceremony is happening.
It was the one day of the weekwhere it rained a little bit.
I was like, ah, it's his wedding.
I'm not going to hunt this morning.
Blah, blah, whatever.
I'm sitting in the ceremony, Ilook at my phone, I get a ping from
my cell cam and he's standingright in front of my cell cam two
hours before it got dark.
(48:49):
If that ceremony wasn't anhour and a half away, I probably
would have found a way to getthere mid ceremony.
But I was so mad at him.
I was like, man, you gotta bekidding me.
The deer I've been chasing allyear and I never got him.
So terrible.
The worst ones are when you'reat work and the rut's really starting
to fire up.
It's like, oh man, he's right there.
Like, you try to freaking getout of work early and like sneak
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back through the back and tryto get in into where he is.
And you know, I love them, butthey drive you nuts.
The damn cameras, they really do.
Yeah, they do.
I literally mapped out my PTOfor the next two years to the end
of 2027.
In the end, the month of November.
In 2027, I'm taking the entiremonth of November off.
But in October, I leave everyday at 2pm and the first two weeks
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of November, I taken off forhunting season two.
I. I ain't taking no chances.
I'm burning a PTO.
And everyone at work knows inOctober, November, I'm not going
to be here.
I don't burn out like a fullweek's vacation to go for fourth
of July camping and all this stuff.
No, it'd be in the woods.
I set it up this year where,like, I'm literally going to be off
(49:59):
for the entire month ofNovember because I drew for Kansas
this year.
So I was.
I made sure that I was goingto have essentially every day off
in November because I'll be inMissouri for a week and then the
rest will be, you know, Kansas.
Hopefully I'm not in Kansasfor two too long.
I let the tag out early, butno trail cameras there on public
land, so.
No, no.
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It's weird.
It's right around the cornerand I'm like, it.
It never ends, though.
Like, it doesn't stop.
I think it more just kind oflike slows down for me.
Like in a sense, like Januarythrough March, Aprilish.
My brain's kind of like, allright, we're in the slow period.
But I'm still liking the onseason, thinking about it.
(50:40):
And then April comes aroundMay, June, July is creeping back
up and then August comes andit's just like a roller coaster going
and we're flying, we're gone, man.
I'm so excited.
Gonna be good.
I'm looking forward to it.
Edgar, thank you so much.
Was there anything else youwanted to talk about before we let
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you go for tonight?
Nope.
It's definitely been apleasure and I wish you two the best
this season.
Definitely keep in touch.
I'm hoping you guys stay safeout there and, you know, continue
to do the right thing.
And hopefully you drop onewhether it's an 80, 80 inch buck
or a 250 inch buck and stillbe proud of it.
And whatever you shoot, youshoot, you know, And I think a lot
of people should understandthat a giant to me may not be a giant
(51:24):
to someone else and vice versa.
So once you're not having funwith it anymore, you should probably
give it up.
So.
Yeah, I'm really lookingforward to it, man.
It's.
I haven't had the itch reallythe last two months, but I'm glad
I came on here because, youknow, life gets crazy.
I'm going through a little bitof a rut myself right now, but, man,
I'm looking forward toSeptember, October, November this
(51:45):
year.
And there's.
There's some, some.
Some big critters runningaround especially.
It will really in every state,but, man, I'm looking forward to
it.
So hopefully you guys havesome good success out there in the
woods.
Thank you, man.
Thank you, man.
Yep.
We got four rapid firequestions though, before we let you
go, though.
All right, send it.
What animals on your bucketlist you want to hunt?
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Doll sheep in the Northwest Territories.
Ooh, I think the first one Ihaven't heard, like, a bear or a
moose.
That's.
That's an original.
That's a new one.
I like that.
Sheep would be.
What is the top state you wantto hunt?
Iowa.
Yeah, I'm thinking aboutmoving out there eventually.
So I can.
(52:27):
So I can have residency, butdefinitely Iowa, just because right
now it takes about six toseven points to draw the archery
tag.
So.
Yeah, I don't want to waituntil I'm 40.
I think it was a video I waswatching about Chris B.
Because he lived here inMichigan, too, and he moved to Iowa.
Yeah, I think he made somefunny joke that, like, people in
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Iowa don't like people thatmove to Iowa to hunt there, because.
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, as aresident, you can kill three bucks.
I mean, who doesn't want to dothat, you know?
Right.
It's okay, because I thinkKansas is.
Is amazing.
I was.
I didn't draw last year.
I drew the year before and hadreally good success.
They have the walk inproperties, you know, so, yeah, there's
some just giants out there.
(53:09):
There's 200s everywhererunning around in Kansas.
But, yeah, definitely Iowa.
If you could pick anybody togo on a hunting trip with or share
a campfire with one time, whowould that be?
Oh, probably Stamp Potts.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, probably Stamp Potts.
I think he's just, like an OG legend.
He just.
I learned so much about bowhunting watching him on tv and just
(53:30):
like, how excited and just.
I don't know.
Having some conversations withhim would be amazing.
Just all the big bucks thathe's seen and harvested with a stick
and string.
I mean, it's just, like, amazing.
And just see his reaction.
Right?
That's like pure joy comingfrom someone sticking an arrow through
a deer.
So, yeah, probably him.
Or, I don't know, maybe like,Jackie Bushman or something like
that.
(53:50):
Some of the guys I watchedgrowing up on tv.
That'd be cool.
Yeah.
Last one here.
What do we need to do toimprove the hunting community?
Have fun.
It is.
It is never too serious.
You just.
Like I said, these animals arealready making people go crazy, and
I think we need to justrealize that, look, we're not here
(54:11):
on this earth forever.
We need to enjoy theexperiences we're having with our
friends and family out there.
And, yeah, just keep fightingthe good fight.
It's never too serious.
Just have fun with It.
Yeah, exactly.
We're out there just and besafe with it.
Bare bare minimum, I'm outthere enjoying peace in the woods.
Like, like what you're saying earlier.
You gotta find stillness atthe end of the day.
(54:32):
Stillness is the key.
It's a really good book byRyan Holiday, you know, so it's very
true.
Okay, let's check that Squatch.
How can people reach out toyou and follow along a journeyman.
Guys all know you can find meon Instagram, outdoors and more with
the squatch on the YouTube channel.
Same title here on Sundays andTuesdays on the Whitetail Advantage.
And also with the boondocksoutdoorsman, Garden State outdoorsman,
(54:55):
Mike Nitrate, Frank Mystiqueand all the rest of the bunch of
those guys out there.
Check us out.
Edgar, how about you brother?
Yeah, Instagram, YouTube,Edgar Martin Hunt.
And then if you want to lookfor my my team guys stricken outdoors
on YouTube and Instagram as well.
So we'll have some goodcontent pushing out on all the platforms.
(55:15):
This should be another good year.
We have some some great bucksthat are going to be hopefully dropping
the ground.
Dropping on the ground thisyear between a Missouri.
I'm going to probably do somehunting in Nebraska, Kansas and then
filming a ton in Marylandsince I'm going to have some more
time on my hands.
So definitely be on thelookout for that.
And yeah, we'll keep runningwith the punches.
They do put out some greatcontent guys.
(55:36):
I've watched and seen great.
I'm just going to say thatit's great.
Yeah.
Well Edgar, thank you so muchman for coming on the show, brother.
We greatly appreciate it, man.
Yeah, likewise guys.
All right, stay here.
Yep.
I didn't mean to click meeither way.
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There's no intro tonight.
You guys know the routine.
Oh, thank God.
It's kind of boring.
I will say this, though.
I do.
I always like to say this.
Thank you to all the men.
Men and women in the military, though.
Thank you for your service.
I know John was in the serviceas well.
And also our guest tonight,Edgar, is still currently in the
service as well.
(00:43):
When is your contract end?
Or when do you see your time ending?
So I put in for my resignationDecember 1st.
I will officially be a civilian.
Nice.
How long officially, then?
I'll be a little over eightand a half years.
So, yeah, it's a little bitdifferent on the officer side.
So we just resign ourcommission vice, our contract being
(01:04):
up.
So once we serve a certainamount of time on the contract, you
know, we route some paperworkup and go through a whole bunch of
stuff to get officially resigned.
So I can still stay in thereserves if I want.
So we'll see.
What bridge are you in, man?
Marine Corps.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I don't have crayons.
I got markers.
My kids.
(01:25):
Yeah, green's my favoritecolor, so.
So, yeah, I was.
I was on this group chat nottoo long ago.
We were talking about, like,knocking on doors, right, and asking
permission to hunt private andall that stuff.
And I brought up this runningjoke, and it's like, yeah, every
time I go to knock on a doorand I see, like, a.
My son's a proud Marine orsomething like that or some Marine
(01:46):
insignia, I always write anote in crayon, and I'll tape a crayon
to the paper and leave it there.
And I've had one person callme back and just, like, laugh about
it.
But other than that, did youget the permission?
No, No, I didn't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the biggest troll.
They just.
They call you back, and youdon't even get the permission.
That's tough.
(02:07):
Oh, I know, I know.
And then one time, I did it toan Air Force dude.
I was actually talking to himfor, like, an hour, just shooting
the.
And I was like, so you mind ifI hunt here with my kids?
And like.
Oh, no, no.
Like that.
I'm hunting this.
You too, then.
That's good.
Well, as people might notknow, it's Edgar's second time on
(02:27):
the show.
He was on episode 67, andtonight's episode is 167.
So 100 episodes later, 100 anniversary.
So Edgar So how many followersdid you end up losing because you
were on the show?
Probably.
Oh, I'm sure you probably losta big fan base because you were starting.
(02:47):
To get a bunch of my commentsin my YouTube videos.
Started to, you know, just getworse and worse.
They just couldn't believethat I came on here and spewed a
bunch of bull crap.
And then they click, theyclick the unsubscribe button.
So it's on them.
I guess you're also now on about.
Two different watch lists too, so.
Exactly.
Yeah.
(03:07):
Well, yeah, so that's another thing.
I don't know if I can, youknow, if I can go within 100ft of
a school.
Who knows?
Not if you have anything to dowith Brett Boven over here.
Oh, man, we've gotten dark onthe show since you've been on it.
Yeah, real dark.
Like, like downtown Detroit dark.
It's.
It's really doomer.
(03:30):
There's some episodes in therewhere it's like, that is some up
humor.
Yeah, there's some.
It's probably, probably beingreviewed as we speak.
I'm sure the FBI is.
FBI is listening.
Oh, yeah.
I'm pretty sure that they'reprobably tracking my IP address and
all that stuff and whatnot.
No, but it's Sunday, August 10th.
(03:53):
I know.
Edgar, like you said earlier,you're about a month away from your
season starting, correct?
We have about 56 days, right, John?
Yeah.
October 1st, which is like.
Yeah, I think it's like 55, 56days, something like that.
Yeah.
Squatch, you're right aroundthe corner too.
Yeah.
September, we got early bearstarts up here.
(04:13):
And then they have like adough season, you know, like early
go out dough.
Really?
Really?
Hold on.
I'll be, I'll jump back on.
All right.
You got to do something with him.
I. I'm trying to.
I've been putting letterstogether for write ups and he's not
listening.
(04:34):
Paper, you have to put inpaper, you know, keep a paper trail
on them because this isgetting carried away.
I know.
I don't count the lit.
So we had the liberty hunthere in Michigan.
Like the youth hunt.
Yeah.
You could say hunt season kindof starts in September.
But like, in my opinion,officially hunt season starts October
1st here too.
(04:54):
I mean, really here too?
Yeah, yeah.
I've had a lot of people,they'll ask me, oh, you're a hunter.
Hunt season starts November15th, right?
I said, no, it starts October 1st.
I'm like, really?
What is that season?
It's the bow season.
It's so it's like weird.
At least here in Michigan,like bow hunting just seems to be
like this outcast, nobodyreally talks about it type thing.
(05:17):
And gun hunting, November 15,it's like a national holiday.
I mean, a state holiday in thestate of Michigan.
Do you have anything similarto that there in Maryland, Edgar?
Like I said, our season, eversince I was, you know, started hunting,
you know, really young, Ialways remember the season always
opening up.
It was either the first orsecond Friday of September.
(05:37):
So you did have an opportunityto potentially get a buck in velvet.
I think I killed a velvet buckone year.
He just shed.
He was going to shed reallylate, I guess.
I think Tennessee actually hasa, like an, like a three day season
where they do velvet at theend of August.
But no, we, you know, we, weget rocking there in, in September.
(05:58):
So first, first, first orsecond Friday, I think it's like
the seventh or the ninth orwhatever it is this year.
Nice.
Well, what, what are you doing?
I mean, I'm kind of curious tosee how you handle your hunting season
with your prep wise, at least.
And actually during yourhunting season though too, because
you're spending a lot of timeoverseas and you're not really doing
(06:19):
a lot of time here.
So how do you take advantageof a very small window while you're
here back in the States beforeyou have to leave?
Yeah, so it was kind of weird.
Well, it actually got timedreally well.
You know, I deployed fromNovember to May, so it kind of worked
out in the sense of I got backpretty good time.
(06:39):
June and July was pretty busy.
It's been kind of busy, butI'm about to transition.
Actually.
This is kind of a side note,but I'm actually starting a civilian
internship tomorrow.
So I'll be away from my unitfor, for, you know, August.
Well, yeah, the rest ofAugust, September and October.
So I'll have a little bit moretime to hunt, which is really good.
A little bit more time to dosome prep work.
(07:00):
Actually.
I'm setting up like three orfour spots tomorrow with cameras
and everything like that,which this, this week is fine.
I mean, I didn't really needto get the jump on it.
I got a couple really goodpublic land spots.
I killed a really nice bucklast year on public in this one spot
that's just kind of a honey hole.
And yeah, I'm just gonna getsome cameras out there and do some
(07:21):
scouting here in the next weekor two and then actually do a.
It's like a state hunt.
And I usually put in for thebow and the muzzleloader, they open
this island up for like fourdays out of the entire season.
And yeah, so I'll put in for that.
And I'll typically, typicallygo down there on the scout day, which
(07:41):
I think they do one inSeptember and.
Or maybe they do like two orthree in September.
So I'll go down there and do that.
But with the public land, Istart with, with the mapping, you
know, now with all thistechnology we have with lidar and
all the mapping tools, I mean,there's no reason that you can't
have success on public land.
So what I'm curious to seewhat hunting app you use.
(08:05):
Do you use Spartan Forgebecause of.
Of light iron and I'm sureyou're used to it with your background.
Yeah, yeah.
So I have Spartan Forge.
I do mess with it a little bit.
Between that and Onyx, I sharean Onyx account with some of my buddies
for our Missouri property.
But other than that, yeah, I'musing both, you know, as needed.
But so, yeah, it's going to bea lot of that the next couple of
(08:26):
weeks.
I'm going to be setting upthese bait sites, you know, trophy
rocks and corn.
Like I'm in a bait state, youknow what I mean, going private.
So I'm going to take advantageof it.
And yeah, it's going to be good.
This.
I'm really looking forward tothis one spot on public because,
man, it's so overlooked and Isaw two, just absolute giants.
But there's a.
(08:46):
There's a ton of people thathunt it.
There's a ton of trails thatrun through it.
So there's a lot of humanactivity and stuff like that.
So it's kind of like playingchess with these, with these deer.
But I think it's going to be.
Be good, good challenge.
I know when we had.
We talked last, you do a lotof your hunting in the Blue Ridge
Mountains, correct?
Not as much.
(09:06):
So that's where I grew up hunting.
Yeah, that's where pretty muchI learned all the tricks to the trade
that is, you know, all theskills that I learned up there.
Looking for deer sign andbeing out in the elements, hiking
a long ways, you know, some ofthe public land spots.
Now, you know, you're hikingin sometimes a ton of gear and camera
equipment, everything else.
(09:27):
So a lot of that when I wasyounger prepped me.
So.
But yeah, my grandfather, myuncle pretty much taught me everything
there.
And, you know, you, you know,they'll always say you have to earn
your deer up There, which Ibelieve is true.
I think you have to earn adeer anywhere, whether you're hunting
in, in your backyard orwhether you're hunting in the Blue
Ridge Mountains.
But yeah, some good stuff out there.
I know Squatch is used tohunting in the mountain type terrain
(09:52):
a lot more than I do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you gonna elaborate on that?
Yeah, well, yeah, no, I wasgetting there.
Just want to do.
Give him a chance to get intoit a little more.
But if you want me to takeover, I'll take over.
No, no, I'm just saying.
Yeah, if you want to, you can.
(10:12):
Yeah, the, the, the mountainsalways hold the challenge.
I, I enjoy getting up in there.
I, I.
Where I live, it's.
It's Catskill Mountains.
It's still really rural area.
And, and I got a spot where weget up in there and, you know, we
play the thermals and we playthe saddles and the ridges, and we,
you know, run around.
We do really good.
(10:32):
You know, the two bucks thatare next to the big one, that's.
Those are European mounts.
Those guys were shot about,you know, 30 seconds apart from each
other.
But that was just the firsttime going up in the mountain, sitting
down up in there.
And, you know, it's publicland, so it was really cool.
The next year after that, shota bear out of there in the same exact
(10:53):
spot.
So, you know, I was kind of hooked.
I like hunting the mountainsup there, man.
It's freaking awesome.
And then you're from the, theBlue Ridge Mountains, so, I mean,
geez, you probably knowexactly what I'm talking about.
You know, you, you got a lotof bear?
Do you guys have.
You got a lot of bear up inthere, don't you?
Yes.
It was kind of funny.
So, I mean, I was born andraised in Baltimore City, but, you
know, my grandfather, hebought some land.
(11:14):
Well, I mean, he hunted theBlue Ridge, you know, since the 70s.
Yeah.
Late late 60s and early 70s.
Right.
Old stump sitters, you know.
And so I remember growing upand we were always hunting out of
ground blinds that we wouldbuild ourselves with sticks or hunt
on the saddles.
My grandfather has this spoton top of one of the ridges that
we hunt out there on National Forest.
And, you know, he hunted thisbow stand for years.
(11:36):
He shot a giant bear out ofthere one year with his bow.
They kill a ton up there.
I mean, nothing giant, you know.
I mean, the deer up there,they don't have much to eat.
There's not as really much crop.
You're really dependent onacorns and, you know, good rain up
there in some of the creeks.
But like I said, it's a challenge.
You know how it is, you know,up there, you know, you're hunting
(11:57):
in the.
The sticks when they call them hollers.
Yeah.
Down in the bogs and thehollers and the.
Down in the hollers.
So.
Yeah, I haven't been up therein a few years.
I might make a trip up therethis year.
I'm not a big gun hunter, butit's always cool to go up there.
You know, my grandfather's,you know, he's a little older now,
so.
Yeah.
Um, looking forward to maybegetting up there with him this year,
(12:18):
you know, during muzzleloader or.
Or the gun season.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's.
I'm.
Hey man, count your blessings.
You still got your grandfather around.
I miss my severely.
It's been a long time.
What advice would you have?
So, for instance, we're goingdown to Indiana here in October and
we're hunting some.
I want to say mountain liketerrain, but it's very hilly.
(12:42):
It's very mountain or.
I don't mean.
That's not a word.
Mountain, less mountain liketerrain and a lot of steep ridges
and stuff like that.
I'm a little nervous becauseit's gonna be my first time hunting
this type of terrain.
So what type of advice you gotfor me to go down there and start
looking for and to make sureat least try to harvest a deer so
(13:03):
my wife doesn't kill me that Ispent 300 down the drain?
Yeah.
I mean, one.
One piece of advice.
My.
You know, again, this, thisgoes all the way back to the guys
that were killing deer back inthe 70s before we had all this technology.
Deer are lazy at the end ofthe day.
So you have to realize thatfinding trail networks is going to
be a little bit easier becausethey're, they're creatures of habit.
(13:25):
And you said you're going tobe there in October, so going to
semi be.
You know, the bachelor groupsare probably going to probably almost
be broken up at that point.
But regardless, you want to find.
You know, like Squatch wassaying, any type of saddle is going
to be ideal because that's howthe deer travel.
Right.
They're lazy.
They're not going to walkdirectly up a ridge.
(13:46):
If you're hunting in a ravine,you know, find the trails that come
off those ravines.
You know, they're like I said, they're.
They're going to utilize thoseto make it to the Lower ground.
So that's probably the numberone best piece of advice just terrain
wise.
Right.
You don't want to switch smoke yourself.
Walking up and down ridges andblowing deer out of.
I'm assuming there's going tobe like mountain laurel up there
(14:07):
if it's pretty terrain heavy.
And sometimes those deer eatthat laurel.
They bet in that laurel.
Right.
So hunting on the other sidesof those are pretty ideal as well.
And of course, playing thewind because typically in areas that
are more mountainous andterrain heavy like that, these deer
aren't used to seeing people.
So they're, you know, they.
They see something move at ahundred yards, Even though they already
(14:29):
don't have great eyesight,they may blow out of there, you know,
a little bit different than ifyou're hunting a suburban deer.
That.
That kind of patterns humans.
I have bucks here that pattern me.
Oh, yeah.
Had a buck last year that Iwas chasing.
And I mean, he was probably a150 to 160 class typical.
And I mean, he would pop up onmy camera 30 minutes after I got
(14:50):
down for like, for like twoweeks straight.
And so, I mean, I just.
It's just unbelievable.
Right?
So that's definitely just the.
The differences between the two.
But playing the wind,understanding the bedding and.
And food source, you can saythat really about hunting anywhere.
Right?
That's typical is like foodsource, water.
Right.
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Deer are lazy.
But in those heavy, denseareas that are pretty mountainous,
Just realizing that, look, if.
If I were a deer, where wouldI go?
That it's the easiest totravel and it's the easiest to travel
to and from my food.
And it's typically notdirectly up and down ridge lines.
Yeah.
I'm curious because we'regoing to be talking to Dave.
He said, yeah, we're going tobe packing in.
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We got our campsite.
But from where he's beenfinding these pins at on doing some
e scouting.
And he's got a buddy that'skind of tracked some.
Did some out in the fieldtracking out there and scouting too.
We're going to be packing in along way from.
From our campsite to hiking inthese woods, from where we're going
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to be trying to hunt thesedeer ads.
So I'm.
I'm excited for it.
I've been training a lotharder because, like, I'll say this,
we people should know at leastback in March, I set it up for a
goal to lose some weight.
I want to get back into better shape.
My fat ass is weighing about215 to 20 or something like that.
I was like, like that.
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Then I got working out.
So Now I'm about 206ishroughly in that ballpark, 205 now
and just been running non stopand so and doing a lot of uphill,
downhill running, stuff like that.
So my fast has got into shapenow so I'm looking forward to that.
But nothing compared pairs tobeing out the woods with boots on
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and up and down terrain, goingup steep, stuff like that.
So I'm unfortunate that's whyI just bought that E bike because
I'm 50, so I got some years onyou guys and it don't get no easier.
So just you know, enjoy it now.
I'm just.
Yeah, it's, it's.
Dude, I.
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And it came with a, like atrailer cart behind it too, like
included.
So I was like well hell,that's going to be great because
I could throw my buddy Frankin there and just drive around and
you know, pull him out to astand too if he wants to go whip
me on the bike.
Because the thing's got allkinds of power I guess.
But nah, I mean basically man,it's just going to be.
I have a side by side that weuse to go up in those mountains.
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So we're from where we park onthe end of a cul de sac in the town
road.
It's up in the middle ofnowhere but you can't go any further
with a vehicle.
So we jump in my side by side.
But that damn thing is evencreeping in there with that, you
know, it just echoes off thosevalleys and stuff in there and, and
I've seen a decline from whenwe used to be able to get a truck
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up in there that would, youknow, run up there pretty quiet.
But I'm hoping with the bike,you know, and it's, it's less to,
you know, tag around with.
I mean you could just throw itin the bed of the truck, pull it
out, you know, throw yourstuff on your back and go.
It's got like a nice littlerack on the, you know, above the
rear tire and stuff.
So I, I think it's going to bea real game changer, man.
Especially for somebody likeme getting older and you know, like
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the walking stuff.
I'm, I'm still as good once asI ever was.
But having that bike's gonnastop you from getting all sweated
up, getting all, you know,with your gear on.
You know how it is, you hikein, you, you know, you try to keep
some clothes off so you're notsweating up by the time you get up
in there.
And I don't know, man, I justhope it's going to be a game changer.
I think it's going to bereally cool.
So it's.
It's kind of funny.
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Speaking on e bikes.
I don't know if this is like aphenomenon or not or just, again,
creatures of habit, but sothe, the property that my best friend
owns out In Missouri, it's1500 acres.
And so it's a huge project to manage.
He has guys that manage it andwe go out there for a week every
November and you know, butwe're consistently getting trail
cam photos and stuff withthese deer.
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And it's funny, when we go invia E bikes or if the land guy is
going on E bikes, it's funny.
These deer get.
Get more spooked than if it'sthe side by side.
So really, man, managers drivearound on side by sides all summer,
checking cameras, putting insome plots, you know, and the deer
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get used to it.
We noticed going in on ebikes, even though it's silent, they
were more spooked.
No kidding, right?
So it's crazy.
So.
Well, you know what?
One way or the other,something's going to spook them.
Whether it's your scent,whether it's the sound, you know,
And I can relate to thatbecause I live with apple orchards
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all in behind me where I huntin the one spot.
And you know, the guys are outthere picking right in the prime
time of the year when you,hey, there's a deer out in my backyard.
In fact, just looked out.
Yeah, but no, like I said, youknow, with the tractors running around,
the guys picking, it doesn'tphase them freaking deer one bit,
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man.
They could care less.
They could care less.
I wonder if it's a buck.
I don't have my banana.
Yeah, going up the hill now.
Two of them.
That's good.
Michael's asking if I'm on my period.
You look annoyed and upset.
You do look a little bloated tonight.
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Are you carrying some extrawater weight around, Brett?
I've just been drinking a lotof water.
Okay.
It's not been a good week.
I'm just.
Oh.
Emotional right now.
Really?
Really?
You got the emotions flowing too?
Yes.
Okay, just.
Just leave it there.
Okay.
Just, just.
Wow.
Just take it as epic you'll be.
I, the blind hunter, he made a comment.
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He says, my buddy loves the ebike for sneaking up on wild game.
That's cool.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's that's, that's sometalent right there because.
Yeah, I mean, I noticed that too.
I mean I've never used one upin the Blue Ridge, which I don't
really know if I would justbecause I like using like wind, you
know, to the advantage ofnoise as well.
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Right.
I think like we all do.
But if I'm on the ground onpublic whipping around in an E bike,
I mean these deer aren't usedto seeing that at all.
Yeah, yeah.
One of the public spots I hunthere in Maryland is there's a bunch
of.
It's a bike trail that runsthrough the woods.
Yeah.
So the buck I killed lastyear, like I had guys, I had like
four or five guys actually onthe trail whipping through and the
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buck, you know, the buck stillwalked in.
So I mean, I think it's justthey're a product of their environment.
Whatever they grow up seeingevery day is what they're gonna become
used to and know what isdanger and what is not danger.
Right.
They don't, if they don'tassociate it with danger, then they're
just not gonna.
It's, it's funny you bringthat up because they hunted a piece
of land that was, they calledit the scenic ridge land.
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And it was a bunch of privateland that the like the state organization
bought up and you could filefor a permit to get in and hunt the
land.
And it was bow, rifle or youknow, late season muzzle loader.
And I ended up drawing allthree tags for the place.
And it's so funny because whenyou pull into the parking lot first
thing in the morning, it'smaybe like you and one other guy
that's hunting.
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So I was like, yo, buddy,where are you going?
And he's like, well, I'm goingthat way.
I'm like, cool, because I'mgoing to go that way.
And like you'd see the sametruck every once in a while in those
places, but around like 8:30,9:00 clock, you got your hikers and
they're walking around, youknow, and there's signs up everywhere.
We're orange, it's deerseason, you know, there's hunters
in the woods, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
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And the reason why theyallowed you to hunt the property
is because the deer were justtearing up the undergrowth and they
needed to cull the herdbecause there was just so much damage
being done to the outdoors up there.
So I end up flattening theseven pointer with my 257 Roberts
at about like 120 somethingyards off this ridge, and I'm dragging
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a deer up the hill.
I got my pack on my back, Myrifle's in it.
Here comes two broads walkingup the trail, and I got this thing
gutted out.
It's bleeding everywhere.
And I'm like.
I'm like, you guys, first off,don't have any orange on.
I hope you know it's huntingseason, and I got a dead deer behind
me, so if you don't want tosee that, maybe just go around that
path over there.
But it was so funny.
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It was like having your ownpersonal deer drivers, and they didn't
know what the hell they weredoing for you, but they were driving
deer because they're justwalking around the property.
And the deer would be like,oh, people, let me go this way.
And you're hiding out over bythis ridge.
And it was great.
I. I liked hunting that place.
It was really cool.
You know, it's like you gotyour own personal deer drivers.
You talk about deer, you know,getting acclimated to what the hell's
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going on in there, and it was great.
And not only that, the trails,in the fall, the leaves were super
quiet because they beat thepiss out of them walking in and out
of here all the time.
So you could sneak right upthrough these ridges and stuff up
there.
It was actually a pretty coolplace to hunt.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
No, no, go ahead, Edgar.
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No, I was saying.
I.
You know, I. I used to getreally frustrated when I first started
hunting this piece, because I.I just.
I was filming people on this trail.
I mean, they were being.
I mean, they post signs that,you know, it's hunting season and
there's archery hunters hereand all this stuff, and.
And, you know, the people are.
They're ignorant to it, right?
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They don't.
A lot of them don't hunt thearea that it's in.
I know a lot of people don't hunt.
Even.
There's.
There's a lot of giants around there.
But I got so frustratedinitially, and I'm like, man, like,
these people are ruining my hunt.
These people.
This sucks.
Blah, blah, blah.
And then it took, like, mysecond or third time there.
My uncle was like, you know that.
You know that they're used toseeing these horses on the horse
trail, and they're used toseeing these people make this noise.
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And I was like, all right,well, I'm still trying to keep my
hopes up, because I'm like, I'm.
Am I just wasting my time or.
So I end up seeing A giant thenext day, and he's looking up at
the, you know, the people upon the trail and then just flicks
his tail and moves along likenothing happened.
So I'm like, ah, you know what?
Well, didn't matter.
So it is what it is.
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They're used to it.
Yeah, that's just it, man.
I mean, like I said, livinghere, you'll, you'll.
I don't know how many times, man.
And then there's guys that goin the orchard and they goose hunt
out of the ponds over there.
So it's poo, poo, poo.
And it's still archery season.
I'm like, ah, here goes myfreaking morning.
You know, it's like, but, youknow, what do you do?
They're allowed to, you know,they're allowed to have their season.
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They gotta, they can do whatthey want.
You know, I can't tell them, but.
And, and be honest with you,the deer don't care.
They just, they just keep,keep walking around.
It's more bothers you than itbothers the deer.
Yeah.
100.
You know, there's a.
There's.
There's a spot out in Nebraskathat I used to hunt in in college.
Actually.
I killed my biggest archery buck.
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Oh, no, he's probably my second.
Anyways, full velvet eightpoint is.
This piece of property is sucha hidden gem.
It's such a.
It's only like a 4 or 5 acrepiece of land off on the side of
the road that not many people hunt.
Yeah.
But I hunted there one yearand there's.
There's like a thousand acrebean field.
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And then next to it is like athousand acre cornfield.
It's just all open.
And I'll never forget, I washunting there one day and I'm looking
at the combines and thesecombines come through and I'm like,
oh no, my hunt.
Next thing you know, here popsout this.
I mean, just a hammer.
And I'm like, oh my God.
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He just went on his way, justlooked at the combine and just kept
chasing the dough.
Didn't even care.
I was like, wow.
Yeah.
No, absolutely, man.
I mean, they, they become acclimated.
And actually where I grew up,there was a paintball place.
The guy shot paintball.
They had like 300 acres nextto our property.
And you know, Saturday morningthey're all yelling and screaming
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and I'm like, son of a.
You know, and it's like.
But it did it.
I had deer come walking in andI was like, it's actually good because
when they started invadingtheir 300 acres to play paintball
games.
It knocked all the deer outover towards my piece of property,
which I was adjoining to.
So ended up working out allright for me when I was a kid growing
up there and stuff.
And my other.
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My cousins and stuff had 300acres behind us.
And all the city cousins wouldcome up and it was like the orange
army, you know, they'd alljust like walk shoulder to shoulder.
The pumpkin army?
Yeah, man.
I would just be sitting there.
I'm like, let him.
Let him drive it over to.
Let them drive them over to me.
And, you know, after theyheard a couple shots ring out, they
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would show up to the garage.
What'd you get?
We heard you shoot.
I'm like, yeah, if you guyswould sit still, you'd probably get
something too.
What state are you in again?
I'm in New York, and I'm up inthe Hudson Valley in New York.
I'm right at the base,basically the Catskill Mountains,
Hudson Valley area.
Okay, nice.
It's.
It's.
It's not like, you know, NewYork City or nothing.
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We're right pretty rural up here.
I'm curious, what would beyour biggest pet peeve while out
hunting?
Private or public?
I mean, probably hunterharassment, especially a lot of the
suburban areas that I hunt.
Yeah, my neighborhood is verysuburban, but there's also 150 to
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170 inch deer walking around.
And it's really annoying when,you know, neighbors that know you're
hunting there know that youhave permission to hunt there, walk
through property that's nottheirs, or actually the spot I was
telling you about where thatbuck would.
Would come in.
Every time I'd get down the.
The neighbor would.
He wouldn't leash his dog, andhis dog would run down his dog.
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Would he.
He would know.
He knew when I would.
Pretty much he'd see meparking, you know, in the neighbor's
driveway to go down into thewoods and he would just let the dog
come down into the, you know,into my.
In my little ravine there, andhe'd run all around and, man.
Yeah.
Hunter harassment or just.
Just pure.
Just ignorance?
You know, I'm in a very bluestate and like, to be honest, a lot
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of neighborhoods and a lot ofthe population doesn't like or support
hunting.
I did some door knocking last year.
I mean, I swear I door knockedon every house within 50 miles of
this place.
I was chasing another justsuburban giant, and I had lost permission
at one spot.
So I was like, well, I'm gonnaask this HOA.
If they would, they owned likethis 45 acre piece and they did nothing
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with it.
And it's in this.
It's just in this perfectcreek bottom.
I mean, if I showed you thisspot, you, you would just.
I would buy it if I could.
I mean, it's.
It is unbelievable.
And it's just a massive pinch point.
The deer have everything they need.
And I killed a really nicedeer there when I had permission
to hunt the piece that wasconnected to it.
But I lost that.
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And man, I swear, I swear adoor knocked everywhere.
And I just got the weirdestresponses that got the craziest nose,
you know.
Really?
Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Oh, yeah, it's not surprising.
Just weird nose.
And again, like, I, I utilizedit as an avenue to educate because
I did probably doorknob.
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I'd say 50 were people thatwere just like, no, get out of my
house or get off my property.
Get off my porch.
You know, the 2% yeses.
But then like, the rest werepeople that just didn't know, right?
They're like, oh, I didn'tknow you could archery hunt here.
Oh, like, what does that entail?
You know, so use it as ateaching moment.
But yeah, we do a lot withthat here in Maryland.
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But we also have a lot ofpublic land that's overlooked.
So one thing, one thing I did,Edgar, that it's.
And that is available to youalso because it covers, I think all
50 states, but you can get inat New Jersey Bow Hunters organization.
It costs you $35 a year formultimillion dollar liability insurance
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that covers you.
They give it to you in writing.
And when you're knocking ondoors more than a Jehovah Witness
to get permission, you canfreaking do good by showing somebody
you say, hey, look, first off,you know, I'm really interested in
your property.
You know, I've got referencesup to yin yang.
Plus I'm covered bymultimillion dollar liability insurance
policy.
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So nothing, even if somethingwas to happen to me here, has to
worry you about me gettinghurt here if something was to happen.
That's a great point.
And let me tell you, man, for35 freaking bucks a year, it's.
It's well worth it.
It's been a selling point forme with people, you know, it's the
first thing I bring up, youknow, well, so and so I said, yeah,
but does so and so have insurance?
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What do you mean?
Well, I do.
I have insurance.
And you know, somethinghappens, I'm covered with not coming
after you.
Nobody's coming after you.
And they're like, wow, really?
Do you have proof of that?
Yeah, absolutely.
Here.
Wow.
Here's a.
Here's a printed copy of whatI have.
It's bad.
Never even thought of that.
I never thought of that either.
And you know what?
I can't take the credit for it.
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Actually.
It was on one of the showssome guys that I had first, like,
got to know when I was gettingon social media.
They had the New Jersey BowHunters association on, and the one
guy brought it up, and I'mlike, wait a minute.
Is it.
Is it for everybody?
And he's like, yeah, yeah, wecover all the states and stuff.
It's, you know, it's legit.
Everything's there.
You pay the 35 to the organization.
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And plus, it's a goodorganization, you know, I mean, they
do a lot for youth bow hunting.
A lot of women involved withgetting, you know, and in archery
and.
And they promote the sport.
And it's really a good deal,you know, for 35 bucks, it's a little
bit of insurance, you know,and it gives people a peace of mind
that you're a respectful, youknow, hunter, that, you know, you.
You're.
You're, you know, coveringyour butt if something happens.
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Because, Garen, I mean, I canhonestly tell you, years ago, because
we had a substantial piece ofproperty, we were approached by multiple
gun clubs.
And it was always.
My grandmother was alwayslike, well, what happens if somebody
gets hurt?
You know, it was the firstthing out of her mouth.
So, you know, when people.
You're asking somebody, aperfect stranger, for, you know,
permission, it's runningthrough their mind, well, yeah, this
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guy wants to come out on theproperty, what if he gets hurt?
You know, and if you say,yeah, but how many.
Pete, not to go up.
How many actual people thatyou ask to hunt on their properties?
At the first thought, I'mgonna assume it's.
Yeah, I had a ton last year, actually.
It's really.
He brings this up.
Yeah, I had probably.
I mean, I probably doorknocked one day on like 15 or 20
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doors, and I will say probablylike five.
Like, probably half of themsaid something about that.
Yeah, so that's actually likea great point.
I wonder if I go back to themnow with the liability.
Like I said, some of them werejust, like, ignorant.
They just didn't know what itwas about.
And, like, people get weirdwhen they.
In the unknown.
They just think it's strange.
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It's something that peopledon't really think of especially
if they never grew up hunting, so.
Well, if you're in a blue state.
If you're in a blue state,just wear a Biden Harris T shirt.
Knock on doors.
Exactly.
Oh, I love them.
Oh, I'm so mad Kamala didn'tget in.
Oh, God.
I. I gotta take my aggressionsout on the deer.
Oh, come right in.
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It's so funny because I kindof knew my audience for some of these
properties.
You know, they were definitelypeople further on the left and cared
about the environment.
You know, I'm surrounded bythree or four neighbors that.
That feed the deer literallyin their front yard.
I drive out of my driveway andsee them every day.
And, you know, I approached it and.
And not only did I, you know,you introduce yourself, make them
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feel safe, right.
It's a stranger walking up totheir door.
But I went the avenue of notliability at first.
I went to, you know, know theenvironment and the car accidents
that these deer in the areaare causing.
Right.
I mean, our county is unlimited.
You know, I had to break downthe statistics for a couple people
because they didn't realizenot one.
How many car accidents werehappening in the state, how many
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fatalities, how many injuries.
But also the population ofdeer that are so overpopulated that
the herd is.
Is dying, essentially starving.
Right.
You know, a lot of people.
Oh, they eat my flowers.
Well, yeah, they're eatingyour flowers because they don't have
any other food source.
Because my trail camera lastyear, I had 17 does in one photo.
So it's.
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It's just.
Yeah, I.
That's the.
That's the route that I wentwas, you know, the environment and,
you know, helping out theherd, car accidents and stuff like
that.
Because a lot of people see alittle fuzzy deer and they're like.
Well.
Yeah, they're like, oh, you know.
Side note, real quick.
Did you see that they'remaking a new Bambi movie and it's
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like a horror movie.
Is it a horror?
They made it into a horror movie.
Apparently the Disney ownedthe rights to it.
They didn't re up theircontract or whatever with the rights
or something.
And this new outside companybought the Bambi rights and they
made it into this horror movie.
And apparently they did thesame thing to this Winnie the Pooh
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one.
Now, I seen the.
The trailer.
The Bambi.
I think it might be Pinocchio, actually.
Yeah, they screwed up Pinocchio.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, you know what I'mtalking about.
Family Guy.
Pinocchio movie was.
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Was criminal.
Yeah.
I'm not a Political guy by any means.
Right.
But, yeah, the Pinocchio movie was.
Yeah, it's criminal.
What.
What they're putting into the media.
But no, I. I didn't even thinkthat was a thing of.
Obviously, you.
You.
When you have people on yourproperty, you're.
One of your main thoughts is,well, what if they get hurt and I
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gotta pay for all their crapand they sue me and this and that.
But when it came to hunting, I.
That was not anything in therealm of thinking of that at all,
though.
And that's actually a.
A really good point to startbringing up while you're going to
knock on doors.
You.
You.
Edgar.
I probably.
If you went to 10 houses, youprobably want to assume.
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Probably got eight of themsaying yes, that you could, because,
well, he's covered.
Oh, pro.
I mean, most definitely.
Now, to kind of change theconversation, what if I roll it up
with a crossbow?
Let's talk crossbows.
Oh, man.
Well, I.
You know, that's like one ofthe biggest topics in.
In archery hunting.
And I feel like in bow hunting is.
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Is everybody wants to.
Everybody's opinion on crossbows.
So.
I'll give you my opinion on crossbows.
I think it is the.
The lazy man's archery in thesense of.
I. I'll say this.
My dad has shoulder issues.
He can't draw back a bow.
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So the people that can't drawback a bow, you're excluded from
this conversation because youphysically can't do that.
So you have legit reason touse a crossbow.
I'm not talking about you.
I'm talking about the peoplethat physically still can draw back
a bow.
I think it's the version ofsitting on your couch and getting
fat.
It's equivalent to that.
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Like, you're.
You're just taking the cheap,easy way out.
All you gotta do is pull backit, and it shoots five miles, and
you can hit the size of apenny every time you do it.
And it's shooting faster thanthe speed of light type deal.
I think it's just lazy.
Yeah, No, I, I think the.
You know, I'm a big advocateof, like, Michael Waddell when he
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said that, shoot whatever youwant with whatever you want.
I agree.
Like, I. I would huntgrasshoppers if there was a season
for it.
Right.
But, yeah, I definitely thinkthat especially in today's culture,
the crossbow thing, it gets alittle weird.
There's a little bit of a grayarea where these states open up these
regulations to allow crossbow hunting.
And it almost seems like arifle season in September, right?
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Yeah.
You look at the numbers fromOhio last year.
I'm not going to quote the statistic.
I think I looked at theprevious years, but there was like,
like, I think like 40 of theirarchery bucks were killed with a
crossbow from Ohio.
Sorry, sorry.
40 of their bucks in generalwere killed with a crossbow.
It was some number like that.
Don't quote me, but I lookedit up from the 2023 season and yeah,
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like you said, it's, I thinkthe barrier to, you know, vertical
bow hunting is a littleintimidating to people and there's
just an easier option for guysnow to, to utilize it.
Right.
Personally, like with whateveryou want to hunt with.
Right?
Yeah.
I don't give two shits ifyou're, if you're out in the woods,
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you're hunting, have fun with it.
I'm just gonna have myopinions on it.
Yeah, exactly.
Like if, if you're an ablebodied man, take the effort, take,
take up the challenge and youknow, hunt with a vertical bow.
That's just kind of mine.
So let me, let me say what Iwant to say about the thing first,
but with the crossbows.
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I have hunted with a crossbow.
I own two.
I got one for my fatherbecause he's 74, so it's hard for
him to pull bow back.
I shot a doe with the crossbow.
It was a cool hunt.
You know what?
It takes skill.
Listen, it's, it's just likeshooting a freaking rifle.
But you got to make sure yougot a good shot.
There's a lot of variables.
Okay?
If I shoot a deer with thebow, I, of course my love is sitting
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there with a compound bow or arecurve in my hand.
I can honestly say I've killeda deer with a recurve.
No sights, you know, the oldschool way, okay?
I like being able to hunt withany weapon that they're saying that
I can go out and enjoy thewoods with.
I rifle hunt, I muzzleloader hunt.
Any, any time that I can breakout and do something different, I
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want to do it.
And it's.
It, let's face it, I can sitin that stand every day with a bow
in my hand and after a while,if I shot a deer, maybe two deer
with the bow, it gets boring.
I want to take something else out.
I want to take something else.
I want to, I want to see thatfreaking bolt going at 320ft through
a buck, you know?
So I mean, let, let's behonest, man.
(40:32):
I mean, you know, I, if somelook as long as you're not pointing
the thing out.
The freaking, you know, driverside window of your truck, is it
small enough to freaking jackdeer with or something like that.
You're being an idiot about it.
Then I got a problem with it.
But if you're just taking itout and you, you know, you got to
understand too, sometimesguys, they, they try and try and
(40:53):
try, they try to shoot a bowand they're just not, you know, capable
enough.
But they pick up the crossbowand it's like, well, hell, I can
still get out early season andget a deer with the crossbow and
I got to go to work.
I don't, I only got a week's vacation.
You know, See, there's a lotof variables, man.
I mean, you know, I, I, I justtry to look at the whole picture
and be open to stuff.
Like I said, my, my main loveis sitting there in a tree with a
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nice compound bow or arecurve, watching that buck in the
fall come in and man, justdrawing back and making that shot
with that bow count.
But let me tell you something,it's a lot of fun shooting them crossbows
too, man.
You know, I'll, I'll say tothat point, I agree with you.
Yeah, there's probably somevariables out there that I'm unaware
of.
Like you do, because I, I'venever shot with a crossbow.
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My dad has.
I think though, if you can'tshoot a crossbow, you can't shoot
a compound bow.
And you say, well, I justcan't do that.
No, you're just not putting inthe effort to do it and the preparation
to do it.
And you probably just don'thave the mindset.
Well, I can get past.
There's a, plenty of women out there.
Not to get sexist or whatever,but they can pull back a 50 pound
(42:01):
bow, 40 pound bow, whateverthe case may be.
And they can do it with, yeah,with a light, a light poundage bow
is what I'm trying to get at.
Not that they can do it, butI'm saying they can pull back a light
pound bow.
Yeah, you can start low is thepoint I was trying to make.
And work your way up.
You don't need to be shootingCam Haynes 90 pounds all the time.
(42:22):
So yeah, I think you make agreat point.
Like, it's kind of like, allright, so like the medium between
the two views is like, youknow, if, if you're a vertical bow
guy and yeah, and you do likehaving that mix up of, hey, I want
to shoot a high powered rifleat 300 yard.
I want to shoot this elk at650 yards with a 300 win mag.
Like I think that's adifferent story than you know, lazy,
(42:46):
able bodied 20 to 30 year oldguy that never picks up a vertical
bow and he's just like wellI'm just going to take the easier
route.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's the differencein, in the different views and then
I think it just, it's justindependent on the person too.
Right.
Like Squatch, he likes doshooting all the stuff with all the
stuff.
He'd go out there with handgrenades if he, if it was legal.
Probably.
Yeah.
(43:06):
I'm gonna try tywire next year.
Yeah.
Or set out claymores or.
Yeah.
But then like personally me,like I just, I don't.
There's something so deep inme that is so attracted and drawn
to archery, hunting whitetailsand it's like all I ever think about
and want to do.
You know, I don't, I don'teven want to put any energy into
anything else until Iphysically can't pull a bow back.
(43:28):
And if I can't pull a bowback, I probably won't ever use a
crossbow.
That's just personally me.
Right.
I'll pull my muzzleloader outbecause it's the next closest thing
to a bow in my opinion.
So.
So I don't know.
I just love it all.
I'm already getting pumped upfor the season.
I'm excited.
Yeah.
You made a great point in thelast show.
And we'll kind of use this asthe last talking point to wrap up
(43:48):
for tonight.
How deer make grown men justgo crazy.
That ever since you said that,it's been living with me in my head
rent free ever since, man.
I mean you just.
I see it every year.
I even see it happen it now.
I saw it happen a bunch last year.
It's.
It is phenomenal what a deerwill do to a community of guys that
(44:10):
are supposed to beconservationists first and foremost,
regardless of if you shoot orI shoot it.
You know the pencil swingingbattle of I'm gonna shoot this deer
before you.
It's just, it's crazy.
We're talking about live animals.
In my opinion, the solepurpose of getting out in the outdoors
is to enjoy yourself.
(44:31):
It's to con, continue to learnabout the deer, learn about the environment,
but then be good stewards ofthe land.
And I think a lot of guys intoday's generation, they have all
the tools given to them.
And I know we could go into atrail you know, a cell cam discussion,
too, at some point.
But it's.
It's amazing how an animalwill just make people go crazy.
(44:53):
I mean, you see relationshipsget broken up.
Friendships, families.
I've seen families stoptalking to each other because this
guy shot his ear.
It's like, it.
I don't know.
It's hunting season.
Brings the out in everybody,let me tell you.
That's what I've always said.
Yeah.
What's.
I'm drawing his blank on his name.
(45:15):
From the spleen.
He's older now.
Got, like, the gray rough.
No, he's from, like, Wisconsin.
Oh, Larry Weisson.
No.
I'll have a picture with him.
Yeah, I was, like, 12 years old.
I went out to the easternoutdoor show with my grandfather,
and.
(45:35):
Good dude.
Yeah, I took a pic.
I always used to rememberwatching him when I wrote whitetails
with the contender.
Yeah, man.
45, 70.
Government.
That's.
That's what he carried.
Yep.
This, man, that, and Mr. Whitetail.
Larry Watson.
Yep.
I want to say his name.
Starts with a T. Tea.
You're not thinking.
You're thinking Fitzgerald.
(45:57):
Well, he was on his show.
Okay.
I don't know.
Anyway, that's just gonna bugme because I have his face right
there implanted in my brain.
Look it up.
Was he, like, a top hunter?
Like, yeah, he's a very famous hunter.
And he's like, how famous canhe be?
What's he got a gray beard?
(46:18):
He's got, like, a grayish,darkish beard.
He was Tim Shaky.
No, wasn't Tim Shock.
He's from Wisconsin, I think.
Wisconsin.
The up Michigan area.
Babe Winkleman.
No, guy.
I haven't heard of him in forever.
He's still alive?
Oh, yeah.
Guys, I'm 50 years old.
I'm going back to when thiswas on espn.
All right.
I mean, you know.
(46:39):
Okay.
I was thinking of pnn.
That's the old school tnn.
Back when Jury Outdoors wasfirst on tv.
Yeah.
Come on.
Barry Wenzel.
Barry Wenzel?
Nope.
Tiffany Lakoski.
No, it's a dude.
Come on.
What's his name?
I don't know.
(46:59):
He can't be that famous.
I mean, if, like, I think.
I think one of his shows thathe was on, like, he had his own platform.
Will Primos.
The.
The Beast.
I think it was the Beast.
No.
Oh, Brett, you.
So I. I need to figure thisout now before.
Really.
(47:20):
Because this is going to make.
Me cry if somebody coulddonate a brain to Brett out there
in the freaking audience.
Just a brain cell, because.
Come on.
Yeah.
This is what non drinking doesto your host of your show.
When he was, when he wasdrinking Tippy cow, at least he had
some kind of freaking knowledge.
Wait, oh no, you're in Michigan.
Never mind.
You're not.
Dan in fault Dan in full.
(47:43):
You couldn't remember Dan info.
It took me a minute.
I told you.
Jesus.
Either way.
All right, like, I rememberhearing this story.
Like he said that he wouldgive up like a whole lot of family
stuff like because of hunting.
Like he missed likeanniversaries and, and, and birthdays
and stuff like that.
(48:03):
I piss some people off notshowing up for like weddings and
parties.
And it's like, listen,October, from there on, don't plan
nothing.
I was mad at my friend lastyear because I was chasing this giant
nine pointer that, that was inmy backyard property.
I have two acres that I own.
And I was chasing after this monster.
And I'm in.
(48:25):
I'm literally.
His wedding is.
His ceremony is happening.
It was the one day of the weekwhere it rained a little bit.
I was like, ah, it's his wedding.
I'm not going to hunt this morning.
Blah, blah, whatever.
I'm sitting in the ceremony, Ilook at my phone, I get a ping from
my cell cam and he's standingright in front of my cell cam two
hours before it got dark.
(48:49):
If that ceremony wasn't anhour and a half away, I probably
would have found a way to getthere mid ceremony.
But I was so mad at him.
I was like, man, you gotta bekidding me.
The deer I've been chasing allyear and I never got him.
So terrible.
The worst ones are when you'reat work and the rut's really starting
to fire up.
It's like, oh man, he's right there.
Like, you try to freaking getout of work early and like sneak
(49:11):
back through the back and tryto get in into where he is.
And you know, I love them, butthey drive you nuts.
The damn cameras, they really do.
Yeah, they do.
I literally mapped out my PTOfor the next two years to the end
of 2027.
In the end, the month of November.
In 2027, I'm taking the entiremonth of November off.
But in October, I leave everyday at 2pm and the first two weeks
(49:37):
of November, I taken off forhunting season two.
I. I ain't taking no chances.
I'm burning a PTO.
And everyone at work knows inOctober, November, I'm not going
to be here.
I don't burn out like a fullweek's vacation to go for fourth
of July camping and all this stuff.
No, it'd be in the woods.
I set it up this year where,like, I'm literally going to be off
(49:59):
for the entire month ofNovember because I drew for Kansas
this year.
So I was.
I made sure that I was goingto have essentially every day off
in November because I'll be inMissouri for a week and then the
rest will be, you know, Kansas.
Hopefully I'm not in Kansasfor two too long.
I let the tag out early, butno trail cameras there on public
land, so.
No, no.
(50:19):
It's weird.
It's right around the cornerand I'm like, it.
It never ends, though.
Like, it doesn't stop.
I think it more just kind oflike slows down for me.
Like in a sense, like Januarythrough March, Aprilish.
My brain's kind of like, allright, we're in the slow period.
But I'm still liking the onseason, thinking about it.
(50:40):
And then April comes aroundMay, June, July is creeping back
up and then August comes andit's just like a roller coaster going
and we're flying, we're gone, man.
I'm so excited.
Gonna be good.
I'm looking forward to it.
Edgar, thank you so much.
Was there anything else youwanted to talk about before we let
(51:02):
you go for tonight?
Nope.
It's definitely been apleasure and I wish you two the best
this season.
Definitely keep in touch.
I'm hoping you guys stay safeout there and, you know, continue
to do the right thing.
And hopefully you drop onewhether it's an 80, 80 inch buck
or a 250 inch buck and stillbe proud of it.
And whatever you shoot, youshoot, you know, And I think a lot
of people should understandthat a giant to me may not be a giant
(51:24):
to someone else and vice versa.
So once you're not having funwith it anymore, you should probably
give it up.
So.
Yeah, I'm really lookingforward to it, man.
It's.
I haven't had the itch reallythe last two months, but I'm glad
I came on here because, youknow, life gets crazy.
I'm going through a little bitof a rut myself right now, but, man,
I'm looking forward toSeptember, October, November this
(51:45):
year.
And there's.
There's some, some.
Some big critters runningaround especially.
It will really in every state,but, man, I'm looking forward to
it.
So hopefully you guys havesome good success out there in the
woods.
Thank you, man.
Thank you, man.
Yep.
We got four rapid firequestions though, before we let you
go, though.
All right, send it.
What animals on your bucketlist you want to hunt?
(52:07):
Doll sheep in the Northwest Territories.
Ooh, I think the first one Ihaven't heard, like, a bear or a
moose.
That's.
That's an original.
That's a new one.
I like that.
Sheep would be.
What is the top state you wantto hunt?
Iowa.
Yeah, I'm thinking aboutmoving out there eventually.
So I can.
(52:27):
So I can have residency, butdefinitely Iowa, just because right
now it takes about six toseven points to draw the archery
tag.
So.
Yeah, I don't want to waituntil I'm 40.
I think it was a video I waswatching about Chris B.
Because he lived here inMichigan, too, and he moved to Iowa.
Yeah, I think he made somefunny joke that, like, people in
(52:48):
Iowa don't like people thatmove to Iowa to hunt there, because.
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, as aresident, you can kill three bucks.
I mean, who doesn't want to dothat, you know?
Right.
It's okay, because I thinkKansas is.
Is amazing.
I was.
I didn't draw last year.
I drew the year before and hadreally good success.
They have the walk inproperties, you know, so, yeah, there's
some just giants out there.
(53:09):
There's 200s everywhererunning around in Kansas.
But, yeah, definitely Iowa.
If you could pick anybody togo on a hunting trip with or share
a campfire with one time, whowould that be?
Oh, probably Stamp Potts.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, probably Stamp Potts.
I think he's just, like an OG legend.
He just.
I learned so much about bowhunting watching him on tv and just
(53:30):
like, how excited and just.
I don't know.
Having some conversations withhim would be amazing.
Just all the big bucks thathe's seen and harvested with a stick
and string.
I mean, it's just, like, amazing.
And just see his reaction.
Right?
That's like pure joy comingfrom someone sticking an arrow through
a deer.
So, yeah, probably him.
Or, I don't know, maybe like,Jackie Bushman or something like
that.
(53:50):
Some of the guys I watchedgrowing up on tv.
That'd be cool.
Yeah.
Last one here.
What do we need to do toimprove the hunting community?
Have fun.
It is.
It is never too serious.
You just.
Like I said, these animals arealready making people go crazy, and
I think we need to justrealize that, look, we're not here
(54:11):
on this earth forever.
We need to enjoy theexperiences we're having with our
friends and family out there.
And, yeah, just keep fightingthe good fight.
It's never too serious.
Just have fun with It.
Yeah, exactly.
We're out there just and besafe with it.
Bare bare minimum, I'm outthere enjoying peace in the woods.
Like, like what you're saying earlier.
You gotta find stillness atthe end of the day.
(54:32):
Stillness is the key.
It's a really good book byRyan Holiday, you know, so it's very
true.
Okay, let's check that Squatch.
How can people reach out toyou and follow along a journeyman.
Guys all know you can find meon Instagram, outdoors and more with
the squatch on the YouTube channel.
Same title here on Sundays andTuesdays on the Whitetail Advantage.
And also with the boondocksoutdoorsman, Garden State outdoorsman,
(54:55):
Mike Nitrate, Frank Mystiqueand all the rest of the bunch of
those guys out there.
Check us out.
Edgar, how about you brother?
Yeah, Instagram, YouTube,Edgar Martin Hunt.
And then if you want to lookfor my my team guys stricken outdoors
on YouTube and Instagram as well.
So we'll have some goodcontent pushing out on all the platforms.
(55:15):
This should be another good year.
We have some some great bucksthat are going to be hopefully dropping
the ground.
Dropping on the ground thisyear between a Missouri.
I'm going to probably do somehunting in Nebraska, Kansas and then
filming a ton in Marylandsince I'm going to have some more
time on my hands.
So definitely be on thelookout for that.
And yeah, we'll keep runningwith the punches.
They do put out some greatcontent guys.
(55:36):
I've watched and seen great.
I'm just going to say thatit's great.
Yeah.
Well Edgar, thank you so muchman for coming on the show, brother.
We greatly appreciate it, man.
Yeah, likewise guys.
All right, stay here.
Yep.
I didn't mean to click meeither way.
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