Ep 168 / Whitetail Wars: Traditional Hunting vs. Genetic Engineering

We dive into a hot-button topic today, tackling the controversial world of genetically modified whitetail deer and why some folks think they’re a disgrace to the record books. Joining me and Dave is Andrew Hutchens, and we don't hold back as we explore the implications of hybrid deer like the infamous Rompala buck, and the ethics of hunting in high-fenced areas. Is it really hunting if the odds are stacked so heavily in your favor? We’ll share our thoughts on outfitters and the hunting community's ongoing debates. If you’re ready to get into the nitty-gritty of modern hunting and the dilemmas it brings, stick around – this one’s packed with insight and a sprinkle of good-natured banter!

Takeaways:

• Genetically modified whitetail deer spark heated debates about hunting ethics and record keeping.
• The Rompala buck continues to be a controversial topic among hunting enthusiasts.
• High-fenced hunting raises questions about the authenticity of hunting experiences.
• Outfitters can provide valuable guidance, but selecting the right one is crucial for a positive experience.
• We believe that all hunters should unite, regardless of their methods or equipment choices.
• Humor and camaraderie are essential in the hunting community, as we share stories and experiences.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• PSE
• Rocky Ridge Whitetails
• Quest Haven Lodge

Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.

(00:22):
What's up going on, everybody?
Yep, I screwed that intro up.
I don't give a episode.
I haven't listed as 169, butyes, the other day was 167.
So I don't know, maybe Imessed the numbers sequence up in
there somewhere.
Dave.
I don't know.
No, I think you are at 1 6.
We are at 169 now.
What the heck?
I don't.

(00:42):
I don't know it.
Their numbers.
We're at a high amount.
The numbers of episodes.
So, yeah, we're up 1 more thanlast week.
Oh, there you go.
And then next week will be twomore up at the end of next week's
show.
Yeah, we'll be up one moreafter the next show.
As you can see, we're really smart.
I love you guys with math, bythe way.

(01:04):
Yeah, thank you.
One plus one equals 11, right?
Right.
I did go to a redneck school, so.
Yeah, I guess I did go to.
Redneck public school, too.
We.
We.
Let's say this.
We loved the first name of it.
We named it twice.
The same city.

(01:24):
There is something to be saidabout going to a redneck school,
though.
There is nothing like it.
I think it's kind of cool.
I mean, don't.
It is cool.
That's what I want my kids nowto go to private school only because
of the culture that we live in now.
But growing up, when I was akid, I graduated in 2012, that was.
Yeah, let's go in the.

(01:45):
Like the.
The country songs out there.
Let's get a pickup truck, godown and cause some chaos and go
have a bonfire and drink somebeer at a buddy's house.
Well, we used to drive toschool with the shotguns on the gun
rack in the back.
We would have our hunting gunsin the vehicle in the back.
Nobody would.
Nobody with your.

(02:05):
Then when you got out ofschool, you went straight up.
Me and Dan would always gostraight hunting right from there.
Guns were at school.
It was not a problem.
There was never a problem.
You probably went through thesame shit we did.
We didn't have them in theback window, but we got.
We had them at school, that'sfor sure.
They were definitely in thecase in the truck, ready to go.
Yeah.
Leave from school and go hunting.

(02:26):
And all the teachers, theprincipal, everybody.
Knew back when that stuff wasokay to bring to school.
Yeah.
Well, you know what never happened?
We never had a Gun shooting at school.
We didn't have high, highdrugs in our school.
I mean you had your, yourstoners, you know, you had your normal
potheads, but, but there wasnone of that rampant crap going on.

(02:49):
I mean back then you foughtwith your fist and then it was over.
But I, I remember watching.
There was a couple of mybuddies, they got into some fights
and we watched the videos likecome Monday.
I was like, all right, yep, wegot into some fights this weekend.
I was back.
We were back pre video.

(03:10):
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah,we didn't have camcorders.
There weren't even camcorders.
I mean I think I had, I thinkI had a.
One of the Nokia.
Nokia, whatever it was.
Phone was like the first phonewith no, I mean no caller id, no
nothing.
I remember just being able touse it on nights and weekends because
it was so damn expensive.
Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

(03:32):
Yeah.
Our phone.
You did this?
Yeah, yeah.
I remember it being on the wall.
It was.
And you had like a, like a 40yard cord that you talking to chicks.
You open the slider and you goall the way around the house outside
so your mom can't hear youtalking to some chicks.
Some nasty freaky that you'regonna do to them and your mom can't

(03:54):
hear you.
Then your brother or sisterwould be arguing about get off the
phone.
Because I'm waiting for myphone call.
Yeah, because they didn't.
Wasn't caller waiting or noneof that.
It was just, it was busy.
Yep, yep, yep.
I think I even had my dad.
When I lived with my dad for awhile they had that where there was
like multiple people on one line.

(04:15):
Like you could pick the phone up.
Yeah, yeah.
The party line.
You pick the phone up and youwould hear your neighbor talking
to somebody.
Be like, get off phone.
I got calling and hang up.
Oh, I love it.
Those were phone calls andstuff that I had pre adolescence,
like when I was around 10ish.

(04:36):
And then I got old and I.
My first cell phone was a flipflown one of those like tank type
cell phones where you couldthrow up against the wall and the
ground floor and it wouldn't break.
And it was a walkie talkie andyou thought that was the coolest
thing.
You're like, hey Connor, howyou doing buddy?
Hey.
Hey.
Can you come pick me up?
Yeah.

(04:57):
I remember having the next.
I'll having it on my.
You know, you know, it's onlycool if it was clipped to your side.
Exactly.
Being in the bank one time andhaving my buddies chiming in saying
some pretty awful.
And a couple little ladieslooking at me like, what is going
on here?
I did that to my buddy inHolland at the bank because he was.

(05:17):
And he gave me some gay guy ata party store.
This is a PG13 show.
We can't say it.
They told him that I thoughthe was cute.
He gave him my number.
So the called me.
So he's at.
I think it was back when Old Kent.
When it was Old Kent bank,before it was fifth, third.

(05:37):
And he's waiting in line.
I get on the next tell and Igo, freeze.
This is a stick up.
I ain't playing.
You know, you could see it reaching.
Try to reach and shut his.
And there's like a 90 year old.
It's kind of like he's kind ofturning like, what's going on, dude?
I mean, we thought it wasfunny back then, but, you know, he

(05:58):
didn't realize that you can'tdo that now because he probably would
have got shot.
Yeah, somebody would have shotmy buddy.
Talk about the comment herefrom the Blind Hunter one.
What's up, guys?
What's up, man?
Howdy.
We're getting.
So this guy Wonder here, right?

(06:18):
Yeah, he's from Michigan too.
He's actually, I think,basically like right down the road
from you.
It sounded like Dave and.
Yeah, that's what I sound like.
If I remember.
Where are you at?
I'll say Grand Rapids.
I'll just say in that general location.
And just texting him.
He's a badass dude.
He's like, I got thick skinbecause I said, hey, if you're going

(06:40):
to come on the show, we dohazing on it.
So you got to welcome it.
That's what we do here.
What cracked me up is when wewere talking about it when he came
on first and we were talkingabout, you know, basically laws for
blind hunters of all stateshave certain laws where blind hunters
couldn't hunt.
So we had.
I think Brett even asked him,are you like blind where you can

(07:01):
like physically see shapes andcolors and anything?
Are you full blind?
And he's like, dude, I'mStevie Wonder blind.
You know.
Like.
I was cracking up.
That's great.
Oh, he lives in Hawkins.
He lives up in Reed City,right by Dan.

(07:22):
Yeah, I. I've been to HawkinsBar like many a times.
But tonight we got Andy on the show.
Yes, we do.
From Travers.
Talk about a show, a hunting show.
And we're talking about cellphones, like the what kind of intro
into a hunting show.
Well, that's the generation we want.

(07:48):
Yeah.
Anyways, Andy, can you give alittle background about yourself?
Because people are probablylistening, like, who's this other
guy?
We know we only got 15 minutesleft in the show now, so we'd like
to talk about you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My name is Andy.
I'm the host of the Deer Camp podcast.
I live up in NorthernMichigan, Grand Traverse area, and
got a family, a couple kids,wife, electrical contractor by trade.

(08:12):
Oh, nice.
Pretty much my story.
Awesome.
All right, well, thatconcludes tonight's show.
Sorry we didn't get enoughtime in to talk about hunting.
Oh, we were talking about.
Honey, I thought this was atax show.
It's what you want it to be.
Well, tonight, obviously withour shows, if you didn't know, we're.
We're not politically correcton the show.

(08:33):
We speak our mind, speak thetruth, how we see it.
And also, I didn't say thisbeginning of it, but I do like to
take a second to say thank youto all the men and women in the military.
Thank you for your service.
And also thank you to all thepolice officers, the firefighters
and nurses, and everyone inpublic service.
Thank you for your.
Your time and sacrifice.
We greatly appreciate it.
Tonight's topic, kind ofreally for tonight is a gen.

(08:56):
Genetically modified whitetailed deer.
CWD disease.
Maybe get into high fences andstuff like that.
But I, I'll say this.
I posted a article on myFacebook page.
I think Andy was the first orsecond one to comment on it.
And I'm, I stated to, I saidwe're all about trying to improve

(09:18):
the hunting community.
Awesome.
But at the same time, this guyshoots this monster white tail deer,
but it was a geneticallymodified whitetail deer and it was
like a thousand inches plus or something.
I can't remember off top of my head.
But it was just ungodly.
I'm like, that's not a real deer.
That's just some likescientific Jurassic Park.

(09:41):
And like we're going to becounting them now as, as part of
the, the record books.
Now.
Hang on.
Let me go get John Luminousfrom Jurassic Park.
Let me have him fund my.
And I'll create my own thingon my backyard and I'll shoot one
off my back deck.
I mean, what's the limit here?
Now at this point, I think hewas in a high fence too.

(10:01):
I, I think, I'm not 100 sureon that, but still, I, in my opinion,
I think this is wrong.
I'll start off by just kind ofgoing first.
I think it's wrong.
I think Odyssey, they, theycommented that should be a separate
book lo it, it really should.
I think it, it shouldn't beinto like put an asterisk next to
it or something.

(10:23):
I think it's wrong on a lot.
Of, on a lot of levels.
What are your guys's take onAnnie go with you first?
Woody.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean if they're, if it'sgoing to be in any kind of record
book, it should be in the deerfarms record book of that they were
able to grow this thing.
Not anything about shootingthis, this end deer that's been you

(10:43):
know, shot full of whateverit's shot full of and all that.
So.
Yeah, no, I think it's gross.
Absolutely gross.
Dave.
Oh, I, I agree.
It shouldn't, it shouldn'teven be a question that it because
I any kind of record bookthat's open young Boone and croc
at anything.
It's not a deer, it's not evena deer that somebody just put mineral

(11:03):
out its entire existencebecause you could, I mean you.
All these people down south onthe TV shows you see in their shoots
170, 180s.
I mean they're, they'repumping their deer, you know with
all this high end protein, youknow that all these companies have
and food plots and mineralswhere they have no baiting bans or

(11:25):
laws.
And then you got these bigtime TV people who have the money
to do that and other peoplethat just have the money to do it
and they're not getting deerlike that.
They're not getting nothingclose that.
I mean there's a lot of themaren't even getting anything near
in 180, 190 or 200s, you know,and they're, they're pumping them
all year.

(11:46):
I mean they got the best ofeverything and they still can't get
close to that.
So I'm trying to pull up thearticle here, at least the photo
of it.
But this AI overview it saidin 2024 Brian Bailey at Quest Haven
Lodge harvested harvest.
It did.
I told you.
There's my public schoolservice that officially scored 10,

(12:12):
11 inches breaking the SCIEstate overall world record.
This deer was raised at RockyRidge Whitetails.
I'll get into that commenthere in a little bit.
The previous record was 727.
This is the new world.
This new record breaking deerwas harvested in 2024.

(12:32):
Let me try and pull up a photoof it.
I mean, okay, let's see if Ican get.
It's not even a deer anymore.
It's not.
It'S Frankenstein withantlers, you Know where I, where
our cottage is?
Up at Legends Ranch inWhiteling, where Johnny went hunting.
Yeah, yeah, I know.

(12:53):
Yeah, they got some.
Two, a whole bunch, you know,over 200 inches.
And they probably got a couplethat are three, 400, but nothing
like that.
And these guys are, you know,they're doing the same thing.
I mean, they're just gettingprotein and minerals 24,7 all the
time, you know, but they'redoing it because, you know, this

(13:14):
is their living.
You know, they, they have tohave people spending money to pay
for this.
Yeah, it looks like adeformity more than anything.
Well, I mean, I.
That poor deer.
How much weight, how much.
I mean, how many, how muchhealth issues does that deer have?

(13:36):
Hold it.
80, 90 pounds worth offricking horn on its head?
That's not even in an antler.
First off, they're.
They're antlers, they're not horns.
There's a difference.
It looks like Don King secondthat just what the.
That's not what.
That's not what I tell the.
That's just, you know how.

(13:57):
What's his name in Jurassicpark, he says, those aren't dinosaurs.
Those are genetically modified tweaks.
That's what that is.
In my opinion.
It's not, it's not a whitetail deer that.
And I grew, I worked withsomebody that arms their own white
tail deer and then, then shesells it to other places to high

(14:21):
fenced in areas so they canhave people come in and buy them
and.
Great.
You're making money on a sidehustle type thing.
Awesome.
Don't get me wrong.
And if that's something you,you want to go do and go hunt high
fenced areas where you havethe ability to shoot quote unquote,

(14:41):
world record deer, I mean,good for you.
But in my opinion, that's not hunting.
That's just kind of like, Imean, don't get me wrong, if I had
all that kind of money and youknow the chances, the chances of.
Of a person is probably in.
In below 5% of somebody that'sgoing to shoot a 200 inch or let
alone see one.

(15:03):
Honestly, I think it would becool to go to one of these, if I
had the kind of money and justgo shoot one.
So I, I had it on my wall, butit's going to be what it is.
I'm not going to be like,yeah, man, I was out in Iowa, man,
and I hunted this for a weekand a half and I finally got him,

(15:23):
you know.
You know, it had pride in, youknow, because you had to earn that
deer, you know.
And I know some fenced areasare huge where you're almost hunting
like public, you know, some,like the Texas farms where they have
like thousands and thousandsof acres.
This, this guy right behind mehere, that's, that's a high fence
out of Texas right there.

(15:45):
Yeah.
15, 000 acres.
What was it, eight and a halfyears old and all.
They're, they're just feedingit the right protein and all that.
They're not, they're justletting them get to their age.
And I don't even really.
Still high.
It's still a high fence on.
Don't let me, don't let me tryto sugarcoat.
I will tell you this.
It is different than that.
It is slim margins betweenprivate property, public and a farm

(16:11):
in Texas.
Agreed.
It's not 2, 300 acres.
It's thousands and thousandsof acres where these deer.
You may never see the sons ofbitches, to be honest.
Well, that was some of thethings they were telling us was,
you know, they'll lose deerfor a couple years.
Yeah.
And then all of a suddenit'll, it'll come back, you know,

(16:31):
out of the bush somewhere.
So I think Texas is like theexception because I agree.
Yeah.
I think Texas in my, in mymind, I don't know what's off top
of my head, but I think Texas,the only state where it's like, all
right, we have high fenced inareas, but it's not really high fenced
in areas because like you,like you went down there, Andy.

(16:51):
It's thousands and thousandsof acres that they have enclosed.
And I know you may never see defenses.
Exactly.
You know, it was a 40.
Are you sure it is defensesthat's so far out.
It was a 45 minute Jeep ridefrom where I shot that back to the
lodge.
Yeah.
That's what I'm on.
The same continuous piece of property.

(17:13):
Seriously?
Swear to you.
Yeah.
Wow.
45 minute jeep ride.
I know there's places that areprobably what, in the hundreds of
acres.
Not even close to what you're at.
So it's like it makes a difference.
I mean it is.
I think, I think there is some beneficial.
Too high.

(17:33):
Too high fenced in areasbecause you're creating, if you really
manage just the, the nutrientsin the property itself of the land
and stuff like that.
There's benefits in that.
But I'm talking about like ifyou're going to an outfitter, that's
a high fenced scenario.
Like I don't know, Missourifucking I don't know.

(17:56):
And they have 500 acres ofsquat fenced in area.
Oh, look, there's, there'sthat 200 inch there.
Let's just go over there andshow him in that corner because that's
where he's at.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
I mean.
Well, let me ask you, let meask you this, Andy.
Since, since you have huntedhigh fenced in area, is that the

(18:18):
only place you've hunted inhigh fenced scenarios or have there
been others?
Yeah, this is the only spot.
It's the only one I've everbeen to.
My father and I went twoyears, two years in a row we went
down.
It's something he's, it'ssomething he likes to really do.
So what is your take then onhigh fenced in areas since you've
been to one?
I've never been to one.
I don't know if I ever will.
I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I.

(18:40):
Think it's gotta be big enoughto make it like it's actually, you
know, actually a, you know, abig enough area that it's, I don't
think a 500 acre high fence.
I think that's just a playground.
Oh, I agree.
Do it.
My.
It might.
It's still a high fence though.
It's still a semi tame deer,there's no doubt about that.
It's not, you know, it's notlike out in the wild, you know, you

(19:01):
can walk between, you know,20, 30 yards away from these things
and they can stand there.
So it's still a high fence.
Would I, would I do it if itwas coming out of my pocket?
Probably not.
Not for 20 grand or 10 grand.
Yeah, whatever it was, I don'tknow what it was, but it wasn't cheap.
I know that.
I'm.
I talked to other huntersabout this because I have my personal

(19:23):
take on outfitters themselves.
Let's kind of get into thatfor a second.
Outfitters, you for them,against them, indifferent.
How do you feel about them?
Start with you, Andy.
I'm for them if it's the right situation.
I've been screwed by moreoutfitters than I haven't been screwed
by, you know, butts in the.

(19:44):
Too many butts in the seatsand, you know, not enough acreage
of what they're, you know,saying they have.
If you've got the right outfitter.
Now I'm going to Iowa to anoutfitter this year.
I'm going, you know, so I'mfor him, I guess.
Dave, how Are you?
I am too.
To.
They do have their place.

(20:04):
Like if you're like say in hisdistance, he's going down to Iowa,
you're going down for a week.
Are you going to do the huntin public Chance?
You know, because Iowa tagsare hard to get by, especially those
two couple zones.
That's where I'm headed.
Yep.
And I got two points for that,just so you know.
But I'm on year six right now.

(20:26):
I figured it was going to beabout six, seven, eight years, but
I'm good with it.
And then to have somebodythat's doing pre scouting for you
I think can be crucial.
If they're actually.
They're doing it because theylike it and it's not for the dollar
sign because then you get intoa whole different ball, just a whole
different ballpark.
Because I've talked tooutfitters before that basically

(20:50):
all they do is they bouncefrom like three states around.
Like one does Ohio,Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Indiana.
And they will.
They have two or three guidesand they just send them there.
The problem is, which is cool.
The real guide services willonly take one or two, sometimes three

(21:11):
guys in that area per year.
So these other ones I'vetalked to, there's no limit.
You know, you could have inone small section area that they've
been scouting, you could haveup to six guys, you know, hunting
that same area that after thefirst time the first guy's been in

(21:32):
there, it's boogered up, allthe mature bucks are gone.
They ain't coming back.
At least not for a long time.
I hunted one in Kentucky.
In Kentucky that was that way.
It was.
I rolled into camp and there's20 some guys that are there to hunt.
Yeah, we take two side bysides right out, you know, two big
four six seater or whateverthey are side by sides out the back
of camp with, you know, two ofthem full of guys and you're just

(21:55):
dropping guys off along the way.
It was, it was one of the.
Worst hunts I'd ever been.
We didn't see any deer.
Yeah.
And you have to.
A lot of them.
I see you have to hunt their stands.
You have to hunt their stands.
You, they take you there, dropyou off.
I mean it's.
You can't do any kind of onyour own.
Yes, I think I've seen one.

(22:15):
I want to say it was in Tennessee.
They allowed you to kind of doyour own thing.
And I think we have a commenthere from Scott, Lamar Limmer.
He says, what's up guys?
What's Up Scott, actually thefirst time seeing you on for tonight,

(22:36):
I want tuning in for tonight's show.
So what's up Scott?
I think they have their place.
I think it helps hunters whenthey're trying to go out of state,
different places to hunt, togive them information.
I think it, I would like to go.
I like in any situation whereyou go there and you have like 20

(22:56):
other hunters in camp, it'slike that's the thing that makes
me not want to go to anoutfitters because it's like crap,
I gotta go there.
I gotta follow by all the rules.
What about their scorerestrictions and all this other stuff?
That to me gets me a littlebit like do I really want to, to
go there?
And half.
And sometimes these placesthey cost, I, I'll just say a blue

(23:19):
collar salary of two grand tothree grand for just four days.
Well, a lot of them are goingto be anywhere from two to eight,
eight grand.
Right.
I'm just saying like at abare, like at a basic basis which
really.
Stocks for the guys that arereally putting in the work that are
doing it for a living, youknow, it means a lot.
You know what I mean?

(23:40):
Like they got family and youknow, this is their life.
They want to be an outfitteror in a guide and that's what they
want to do.
I got a buddy who does it outwest and he goes out for weeks in
the woods and just he, he justlives in the woods following Muley's
elk, trying to figure outwhere their patterns are and where
they're hanging up.
And then he comes back, buthe's gone more than he is home, you

(24:04):
know.
And then you get a lot ofthese other.
If you notice there's moreoutfitters now than they're everywhere.
Yeah.
Popping up like freaking.
You just Google outfitters ina certain area and it'll be like
you'll just keep scrolling tothe next page, next page, next page.
And it's hard for somebody whoactually wants to get a good, you

(24:30):
know, good content.
Yeah, a good experience.
It's a crapshoot a lot oftimes because you just, you don't
know like the Google ratings,those all can be manipulated.
All that stuff can be manipulated.
Like a lot of them you'll seeon like Yelp and all that stuff.
It's them and their friendsgoing in on there and saying that
this and that and they'll takepictures of the bucks they shot,

(24:50):
you know, and then you getsomebody that maybe has been saving
his money for five, six, sevenyears and it's like I'm gonna go
do that and then he goes thereand then he has this experience like
I didn't see a deer.
Which I will say it's still hunting.
Yeah, they're not baiting.
It's a lot of.
It's open terrain and they'rejust scouting and setting stands.

(25:12):
You know, some, some bait, buta lot of them aren't baiting.
You know, you're justbasically doing the same thing.
If you walked out, you justgot somebody that's doing the work
for you that you just sit inthe stand.
But if the wind's not rightand the deer aren't moving, I mean,
I mean there's a chance youcouldn't see nothing.
Right?
You know, I mean it's, it'sall a crapshoot either way.

(25:33):
But you got to be.
You got to have that in yourmind to know it doesn't matter.
You spend two or three, $4,000that even through a good outfitter,
you might go home empty handed.
And I've known some outfittersthat if you don't get nothing, they'll
let you come back because theywant you to get something.
Right?
Yeah, you know, it's different.

(25:54):
Hatchie, it sounds like Scottis a friend of yours.
He says may seem like akiller, but he makes.
Sorry.
My vision is getting old.
Some mean blueberry muffins too.
Had some last weekend atHabitat Day.
I will say I like me someblueberry muffins, man.
Man, Same here.

(26:15):
I can say I did not make ablueberry muffins.
My.
My wife is the.
Into the big sourdough thing.
So she brought.
So she made sourdoughblueberry muffins I brought down.
So Scott, Scott's actuallyhosting us in early part of October.
We're going to his place inWest Virginia.
Oh, wow.
Oh, nice.
It's nice.

(26:36):
There's a big bucks in West Virginia.
Yeah, I think Scott saidthere's a couple.
I don't know if they're on offlimits or what.
Andy, let me ask you this.
I'll say that is another fearof mine.
Going to an outfitters islike, do I want to spend five grand
and not act and not shoot anything?
Then I'm married.

(26:56):
So now explain my wife.
Yeah, sorry.
I just spent five grand and Ijust a great trip.
You come back and you tellyour wife that five grand.
I was saying I didn't even seeit here, you know.
Yeah.
It'S still hunting, you know,you could go back and see nothing,
you know.

(27:17):
Right.
Yeah, that's true.
Annie, if you could open upyour own outfitters today and you
have plethora amount of money,you have Donald Trump type money,
what would you do?
Probably be in the Bahamas.
But know I would, I would buy Iowa.
I would.
Yeah, I would.
Yeah.
I would have as.

(27:37):
I'd have as much land as Icould could get my hands on continuous.
And I would make sure I hadenough intel that we'd only take
enough hunters for the, youknow, deer that we wanted to shoot
that year, not overbook it towhere we're shooting, you know, next
year's or the year afters.
You know, you're going to have three.

(27:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Problem is, it's a business.
The problem is the business,they got to make money so they run
butts through the seats andit's, you know, I've been, like I
said, I've been to a couple ofthem that have been, you know, at
least 18, 20 guys in camp, youknow, there's not that many deer
there to be shot.
It's.
I mean, unless they havethousands and thousands of acres,

(28:19):
which most of them don't, theymay say they do, but it's really
easy to drive you around in a.Circling back around this and all
that on your.
You're like, hey, that's liketwo square acres.
Yeah.
Yup.
And there's 20 of us in here.
There's a chance like eight.
Nobody can not even get a sea deer.
Yeah.
So everybody's going to becoming home with 80 inch bucks.

(28:40):
Exactly.
I'm curious now.
It just kind of came to my mind.
You live in the northern partof Michigan.
Day lives in the middlesection of Michigan.
I live in the southern part of Michigan.
So we, we got it all coveredbasically in the lower up.
Us trolls down here.
What was the EHD like up there for?

(29:00):
You never.
You didn't experience it?
Nope.
No, we did.
By Dan's.
Dan's didn't see it either.
It like stopped probably justnorth of me.
Cedar Springs, I would say.
It's probably the only place Iheard where there was a case.
Huh.
Yeah, I did hunt MiddleMichigan last year and it was, it

(29:24):
was bad.
Like we're at Middle.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, you were down by theKent County, Barry County, Allegan
counties.
All those state game areas got slaughtered.
Yeah.
Bad.
Yeah, it got bad in thesouthern parts of Michigan.
In the middle section of Michigan.
And that just kind of makes mewonder into that conspiracy theory

(29:47):
of did the insurance companiesrelease this disease because they're
tired of paying insuranceClaims and it seemed to happen in
more of that centralized areaaround the Grand Rapids area and
not, I mean, it happened downhere, don't get me wrong, but we're,
we're kind of populated too,in my opinion, a little bit more

(30:09):
than the Traverse City type area.
I mean, once you get to TerCity is the only city in the northern
part of Michigan.
Let's just face it down south.
We have like Kalamazoo, SouthHaven and all other places.
I don't know.
I'm not a conspiracy nut.
Like, oh, 911 didn't happen.
There was bombs and well,Johnny would tell you it was aliens

(30:32):
that did it.
Yeah, I think it was thosethousand inch deer that was doing
it.
Yeah, right.
It was his brother.
Yeah, it was his brother doing it.
Osama Bin Horns.
Yeah.
All right, so I got one for you.
And I know this has been a hotdebate again.

(30:53):
It just seems every coupleyears keep getting brought back up.
Since you're from up there,what's your thoughts on the Rompala
buck?
Oh, no, I, I, so I, I onlylive 7, 8 miles from where that was
supposedly shot.
No, that is just it.

(31:13):
I, maybe.
But no, I mean it's really weird.
To me that like when.
No.
You don't believe that was areal deer?
I don't believe it was shot there.
I just don't.
I, I don't believe that.
That, I mean, I, we don't havethat kind of, we just don't have
that kind of rich ground uphere to have the minerals to have,

(31:35):
you know, I do, I want it tobe real.
I want it to be real becausethat means there's a chance that
there's another one around here.
But I don't.
When I saw it and I'm kind oflike, oh, that's kind of weird looking.
But like everybody's sayingthose aren't real.
They know they don't grow that way.
No box antlers are identical.

(31:55):
You're just not going to havea buck that has the same antlers
on every.
They're all different, justlike people.
You could have an anomalywhere they get real wide like Bullwinkle.
And the other weird thingabout that whole story is is this
guy shot booners everywhere.
Pope and young Booners everywhere.
So like, what is his angle ifhe had one to somebody that's already

(32:20):
killed monster bucks and shotreally big booners in Michigan as
well?
Well, the stories I heard hewas getting ready to.
They were getting ready.
Him and his buddy were gettingready to release that scent company
and then Then all of a suddenhe shot that and, you know, the whole
scent company launched.
Yeah.
There's so many conspiracieson it.
Everybody.
Everybody's at a podcast on itand I know.

(32:42):
Yeah, I just seen it hadpopped back up now on Facebook.
There's a.
A Ron Paula page now, andeverybody's on it.
And I just follow because Ithink it's fun.
Funny.
I mean, if anyone to discussthat type of deer.
I mean, everyone has the rightto discuss it.
I'm not.
That's what I'm not what I'm saying.
I'm saying for anyone todiscuss that deer with the terrain

(33:05):
that supposedly came from.
And he's got the experience tosay the terrain, where it comes from.
Dave does as well.
I. I've never hunted up there,but I've been through that.
And there are.
I will admit there are somebig swamp bucks that you will probably
never see.
Right.
And there are some deer thathave the one.

(33:26):
The genetics and the nutrition.
So he's either got a father ora grandfather that's similar to him.
I mean, Andy.
I mean, up there, I mean, it's.
I wouldn't say it's in myversion of thick woods.
It's like, different comparedto you guys because you have a lot
more pine trees and a lot morepine rows and stuff like that.

(33:47):
I mean, it's thick woods.
Don't make me wrong.
But your thick woods isdifferent than the thick woods I
have down here.
They.
Yeah, they have the ability tohide out and grow big.
They just don't, in myopinion, have the food supply they.
They have up there.
Like they would have down herein Southern Michigan.

(34:10):
Correct, Correct.
It'd be interesting to see ifit was today versus when it was.
I mean, I was in high schooland that was.
I mean, it was back in the.
What, I think it was 97 or 98.
Yeah, it was late 90s.
It was pre.
You know, pre sell.
Pre cameras, pre.
All that stuff, you know.
So it's.
Is it possible?

(34:30):
I mean, it's possible.
I mean, yeah, but I could go.
Then all of a sudden, didn'tit supposedly get burnt up in a fire?
Yeah, and that was the onlything that kind of threw me off.
Like, okay, now all this came up.
And now.
And then there was.
There was the.
What the Milo Hansen deal andthe NDA, and there was gonna.

(34:50):
Where they had lawyers andthey were gonna go after him because
they were going to lose millions.
Which.
That.
That's very possible becauseif he loses that contract because
he doesn't have the biggesttier no more.
I mean, that's million dollarsout of this guy's pocket that's spent.
But.
It'S just a shame that thisdeer just along with that we were

(35:13):
talking about with Alexander.
You know, Edgar, a while back,you can feel sympathy for an animal.
But I'm saying, like, you lookat this deer, the Alexander deer,
the Rumpala deer.
These are magnificent deer.
Now I have opinions on if thatdeer was real too.
There's that conspiracy goingout there as well.

(35:33):
Let's just say in thisinstance, it really was real.
These two giant, giant,gigantic deer, beautiful whitetail
deer now are tainted withthese storylines.
Yeah.
Whether it was come out thatit's real or not, it doesn't matter.
It's.
It's already.
It's.
It's.
It's.

(35:53):
It's spoiled whether it's realor not.
No, it could come out to bereal and then now it could even come
up that it was.
It was legitimately shot thereand it was real.
And it's so tainted now thatthere would be so much sc.
You know, speculation and people.
The scandal that it.
It would just.

(36:14):
It just would.
You know, the.
The buck, you know, that buckis basically.
Isn't worth anything whetherit's real or not.
Unlike the guy that.
What was it that shot that onebuck that was on that podcast?
Was he.
Where in the hell is he from?
Minnesota or something like that.
Got it on.
No, yeah, the cj.

(36:34):
Yeah, yeah, that or the guy.
No, the guy in Wisconsin thatshot that one supposedly in the park
last year and had it at theSportsman's Expo.
Well, he.
I just said on a podcast, andhe was talking to the guy from the
Michigan.
He has the podcast about howhe told that it would.
Shot it at his sister's house.
And his sister.

(36:54):
Oh, that's the C.J.
alexander.
Y.
That was Ohio.
Yes, yes.
And he told the story.
And I actually, when I firstheard it, I felt kind of sorry for
the guy.
And I was like, man, therejust sound like they're railroading
this guy.
But after him going on thispodcast and he's talking and I'm

(37:15):
like, dude, this guy's kind ofa prick.
He.
He admits he.
And he didn't care.
He knew that.
That he just walked onsomebody's property and shot that
buck and said, you know, andbasically like, yeah, I knew I was.
You know, it wasn't myproperty, but, you know, nobody else
was hunting it.
And I'm kind of like, like,what the is that?

(37:35):
You know, you're.
You on my property.
You might get shot.
You know, and he just.
And I honestly think that he'sprobably going to do it again.
To be honest, I think he is.
So I got a question.
If you.
So let's say you do shoot a giant.
You know, that.
You know, new record or whatever.

(37:57):
Are you guilty before you evenwalk out of the woods?
Because you're going to havespeculation no matter what.
Yeah.
I don't want to shoot a deerthat big.
No interest.
Yep.
If I do shoot that deer, thefirst thing I'm doing before I even
gut it, I'm gonna throw my tagon it, and then I'm calling the dnr.
Yes.
And I said, I just shot thismonster buck.

(38:19):
Possibly record book.
My tag is on it.
I am not touching it.
You come out here, and this is.
Here's my pin.
Here's my tree stands.
You do the investigation.
That way you can see my arrowwhere it is, because I'm not touching
my arrow either.
Like Justin said.
He said, call DNR before youwalk up on it.
Yeah.

(38:40):
Yeah.
If you think it's a recordbook buck, you gotta have your ass
covered.
And let the DNR be the onethat cover your ass, because they're
going to be one thatscrutinize your ass more than anybody.
And you know what I'm gonna do?
They're gonna be like, yeah,this box probably wasn't from here.
So they basically got to gothrough all their forensic.
If I'm not already filming iton my GoPro.

(39:00):
That's the other thing, too.
I'm getting my cell phone.
As soon as I'm done callingDNR and I'm just recording myself
the entire time.
It's a good idea.
And then I'm gonna go sit nextto something.
Like, I'm gonna go findsomeone for a second witness.
And then the other thing I'mgonna do is I'm gonna.
I'm gonna pause it and thendrag it over that fence real quick,

(39:23):
and I'm gonna put the fenceback together that I cut with my
wire cutters.
What about you, Andy?
Are you gonna do it?
Am I gonna cut the fence?
No, you're gonna shoot thatworld record deer.
I don't want to.
I mean, yeah, if it's in frontof me, yes, I'm gonna shoot it.
There's no doubt in my mind.
Yeah, but do you.
Do I want to go through thatscrutiny and then my family go through

(39:45):
it?
No, not at all.
But I'm definitely gonna cover.
I'm Gonna have a couple cameraangles the whole time, multiple witnesses,
and I'm not gonna go even lookfor it, probably.
If I know it's a good hat andI know it's.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a kill shot that.
That buck is not going to survive.
I will probably call the DNRfirst before.
And so I got a question then.

(40:07):
Do you have pictures of thisdeer prior, or is this something
that came out of nowhere?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do guys people know about.
Do people know about thisdeer, or is this, like, you know,
a Ron Paula buck?
Well, if you get a buck likethat, people have seen it.
It's very rare that nobody hasnot seen that buck, and everybody's
probably trying to hunt it.

(40:27):
And the reason.
I haven't heard stories ofanyone else seeing that CJ Alexander
buck, though.
Well, the.
I think the people that areinvolved on the private property
probably don't want theirnames run through the mud.
They're the ones that, youknow, he got caught on their property.
So I'm sure that they're justletting the DNR handle it and want

(40:49):
to stay the hell out of it,you know, because then you're going
to have the.
The nut job hunters and, youknow, they're out there who are just
going to start bashing thisguy, you know, well, you were gonna
shoot it anyways, or.
Or maybe he thought it wasn'this property.
You know, that in a scenario.
And they probably just want tobe out of the line.
Like, you know, they probablydon't even want nothing to do with

(41:09):
this.
You know, the laws handle itand that's it.
Justin commented where to go.
Justin's poached all kinds of.
Yeah, Justin's a big, giant poacher.
He said Dan Infilka accusedand used and used his filming for
proof.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Yep, I didn't either.
He even talked about it on oneof his podcasts on.

(41:31):
On the Hunting Beast show.
Not a podcast, but one of his shows.
Okay.
Yep.
Learn something new every day.
You learn something new allthe time.
Anytime you shoot big bucks ona consecutive basis, somebody is
going to have something to sayabout it, because they're going to
be like, that's not possible.
Jealousy's a.

(41:51):
It is.
You know, that's just it.
Of course.
Yeah, I'm jealous.
Killing monster bucks, but Ican't be mad at them because they
live in a state where they reside.
Yeah, we're in Michigan.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, 140.
What?
142 and a quarter is mybiggest one.

(42:11):
Yeah.
And I was lucky to shootanything over 120, to be honest.
Good old Michael's commentinghere, trying to say, I thought you
didn't make it through thefirst grade, Brett.
Michael, just have your mommywarm me up some warm milk on your
back, burp you, and then putyou back in bed.
You little.

(42:32):
Have your mom wrestle you upsome fried pasta.
I'm gonna go to bed, get somemore cookies and milk out for the.
The Santa Claus.
Don't forget about him.
He's real, too.
He's one of our teenage psycho groupies.
Oh, all right.
As a kid from New York.
He's a good kid.
He's a good kid.
Yeah, he is a good kid.

(42:53):
But he gives us all the time,so we give it back to him now.
Yeah, he's kind of got alittle comfortable, I guess you would
say.
Oh, okay.
Well, if we could have your mom.
Send me some cookies there, buddy.
Yeah, some milfin cookies.
All right, next thing.
Andy, thank you so much,though, for coming on for tonight's

(43:15):
show.
Was there any other topics oranything like that that you guys
wanted to talk about before wekind of wrap it up with our rapid
fire segment?
Kind of hit a lot of topics tonight.
Yeah, no, I'm.
I'm good, man.
I. I enjoyed you guys havingme on tonight.
I appreciate it.
Thank you, Dave.
I just don't care what youhave to say.
I. I want an update on yourtrip when you go to Iowa.

(43:36):
Okay.
You.
You will be hearing lots aboutthat, for sure.
When do you go?
When do you go?
I'm gonna chase cold fronts, so.
Oh, I don't know exactly whenI'm going.
Yeah, I. Hopefully it's in therut action then.
Yeah.
Pre.
I hope.
I'd like to be pre Red.
I love pre.
R. That's my favorite time of year.
I love it.
That is my favorite.

(43:57):
Yep.
Favorite time here.
Halloween is.
Yep.
Yeah.
I like that first, like, threedays of October, and then after that,
I feel like I have a lucky dayof, like, October 18th or 19th.
Like, those two days.
Like, all right.
If I haven't gotten anythingby those two dates, I'm like, all
right, something's dying today.
Because I've had, like, threeyears, like, every other year, like,

(44:20):
on the 18th or 19th.
I shot a deer on those days.
So do you guys have any, like,weird, like.
Like, superstitions luck type thing?
No, that same.
Same time of year.
The.
Like, just a couple of daysafter the gun opener is always my.
My Farm's on fire becauseeverything's gotten pushed out.

(44:40):
And all of a sudden we getevery neighbor buck that's around
comes to the farm.
So I like that time of year.
Yep.
Michael's got a questionbefore he gets the rapid fire segment
here.
He.
He asked Hutchie.
How did you deal with tryingto get on the show?
Dealing with Brett.
He can be a pain in the ass.
Lol.
I had to give him firstborn credit.

(45:02):
Card numbers and SocialSecurity number and blueberry muffins.
Yeah, I'm waiting for my muffins.
We do an extensive backgroundon this, Michael.
Guess that.
Come on.
That's why you haven't been onthe show, Mike.
Yeah.
Little.
You're gonna be on it.
Yeah.
You're on the FBI's watch list.

(45:23):
So have you on Justin commented.
Mine is usually 3/3 of November.
That's.
That's what.
Actually I want my.
Anyways, that is a good day.
I like that time of year, man.
Annie, we got four rapid firequestions for you.
Okay.
Before we let fire away, whatanimals on your bucket list to hunt?

(45:43):
Caribou with a bow right away.
With a bow.
With a bow.
That's my turbo.
And a bow.
That's my dude right there.
When is.
What is the top state you wantto hunt?
Iowa.
Oh, yeah.
You can't say Iowa becauseyou're going to Iowa.
Because I figured that wouldprobably one of them.

(46:03):
You know, Honestly.
Pennsylvania.
I would like to hunt the.
The big wood.
The Pennsylvania.
Okay.
I think you're the firstperson to actually say Pennsylvania,
though.
It's rough walking, I'll tellyou that.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Something different.
I'm so used to the other stuff.
Something a little different.
Right.
If you could pick anybody togo on a hunting trip with and share
a campfire with or just sharea campfire with one time, who would

(46:27):
that person be?
Michael Waddell.
Man, that.
I've been following that guymy whole entire life.
He was.
When I was a kid, he was.
A. I don't think I could holda straight conversation with that
dude.
I don't even think I couldhunt with him because that would
have me laughing so much.
But I still wouldn't be mad.

(46:47):
I wouldn't be mad.
It would be a good time, I think.
Yeah.
I love their show that theygot road trips, man.
That was.
That's what got me.
Road trips.
Y last question here.
What do we need to do toimprove the auntie community?
Stop the infighting.
Don't care if you use a bowcrossbow Gun whatever.

(47:09):
You're doing it legally and ethically.
Just stop the infighting.
Stop the, the chauvinistic,you know, not chauvinistic but you
know, just stop the infighting.
Yeah.
Being dips.
Yeah.
You know, we got enough people against.
Stop shaming.
Stop shaming.
Stop shaming.
That guy that shot the yearand a half old buck, that's his first
buck and he's so goddamn proudof it.

(47:29):
You know, everyone's on theirown hunting journey.
Even if that's what he shootsevery year.
Yep, exactly.
Can't hurt nobody.
Yep, exactly.
See everyone, there seems tobe a trend with that last question.
That's why we ask it.
And if you haven't noticedyet, the that answer comes up about
97 of the time.

(47:50):
99.9.
Yeah.
It's a high amount of it.
Getting youth in the outdoorsand take a kid out and it's probably
them two or the top.
Yeah, I'm getting veterans inthe outdoors too.
I love, you know, doing that.
We, we actually not just giveit away but I'll give it away a little
bit.
We are trying to do a seminarcamp retreat type deal here.

(48:16):
Not next year but I think it'sgoing to be that we're going to try
and get started next, the yearafter where we do a weekend where
we get veterans out in the woods.
Like we, we're doing it likein the summertime but like just get
them out in the woods with us,hang out with us, have a bonfire
and stuff like that and showthem hunting, show them archery hunting.

(48:36):
We'll teach them saddlehunting and hunting.
All this stuff like this andthat on top of we're going to just
be there and just becausemyself, I was a former law enforcement
so I could kind of speak thelanguage like, like Dave does of
with each other and notgetting your feelings hurt but they
just want to be talked to justlike human people.

(48:56):
So it's, it's something that is.
Has been.
It's near and dear to my heartbecause my brother in law, he was
a marine.
My father in law passed away acouple years ago and my grandfather,
he was a mechanic in the Air Force.
That military type deal.
People that serve this countrydeserve a lot more and we need to

(49:18):
do it a lot more to help them out.
Yeah, I agree.
Mostly.
Yeah.
It's like everybody in myfamily was in the military.
Mine wasn't, mine wasn't.
So I feel like I need to giveback more because we didn't, you
know, we didn't serve so weshould Help those that did serve.
We actually hosted a veteranhunt here last year.
We had three or four veteranscome up to the house and they hunted.

(49:41):
The farm and that's great.
Yeah, it was a good time.
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, it was a great time.
That was.
Well, I'd host it again thisyear, but I can't lock anything down
with Iowa going on, so.
So right.
We're man.
There's a couple comments hereI wanted to get to real quick.
Michael referencing Andy'slast answer to that last question.

(50:04):
And he says it in all caps.
Brett, stop shaming people.
You lol.
Hey, there's a differencebetween me shaming people and making
fun of people.
There's a difference and yougot to get used to it because we
with each other, everyone here.
But like Annie said perfectly,if you're out there, and I say it
all the time, if you're outthere, you're doing it legally, you're

(50:27):
doing it ethically.
All I give a about is ifyou're out in the woods, you're enjoying
time and if you can put yourhead to bed and you're proud of the
spike or that button book thatyou shot and you're proud of it,
great for you, man.
I want to give you a high fiveand let's drink a beer.
Absolutely.
But you know, maybe I might joke.
And be like, hey, let thehaters win, man.

(50:49):
Yeah, I mean we, we.
That's what we do though, as,as brothers.
That's what hunting is.
It's brotherhood.
So I'm gonna fuck with you.
And I expect them people towith me too.
You see a little spike there?
Oh, my blind grandmother cando that.
The blind hunter, StevieWonder could come out there and shoot
a bigger one in there.
See that's, you know, have funwith it though too.
Okay.

(51:10):
Yeah.
Justin commented.
Best answer though.
Scott, he coming in.
Amen to the last rapid fireanswers by Hutchie.
Hunters need to unite together.
And that is true.
Create a brotherhood.
Absolutely.
Michael asked question here.
My aunt, excuse me, my auntjust retired after 22 years in the
Coast Guard.
Well, Michael, we with you,but we love you.

(51:32):
Tell your grandmother, I meanyour aunt.
I'm sorry.
I think I was a boot camp withyour grandma.
So.
She was a bad, bad.

(51:54):
I thought I remembered her,man, Fort Benning, man, we had that
one crazy chick, man, your grandma.
The blind hunter commented,anytime in the woods is great.
Agreed.
Now I will say one thing.
Opening day of bow season isprobably the most sought after day
out of the whole year.

(52:14):
Even though it's not the rut.
And the chances of killing amonster or a buck or even seeing
deer is not as high unlessyou're in the bedding.
But that first day, you'rejust in the woods sitting all fucking
day.
You're probably the most mindrelaxing, unfucking of your mind

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from all the stress of workand everything that you can do.
Because I'll go in the woodsand I won't see.
And I get down and I go, Goddamn, I wasn't even mad.
You know, it's.
It's Christmas to me.
Yeah.
But after that first coupledays, you know, then I'm like, all
right, you are dying.
Where's the deer?
Yeah, where are the deer?
Time to move.
But that first day, you know,you're so pumped, so excited, and

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it's.
It's relaxation.
It is de stressing.
Just seeing all little stupidcritters out there making noise and,
you know, it's quiet.
You don't hear nothing.
You know, the blind huntercoming and not yet.
The only deer I got whileblind was a spike.
It's a buck.
It's a deer.
The fact you got a deer andyou're blind, dude, that's like a

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regular person shooting a 150class, to be.
Honest, that's just awesome.
In general, though, okay?
I'm saying you can't see, but you're.
You're.
You're hunt.
You're taking deer down.
Michael, we'll get to yourquestion here now.
Dave.
Well, we kind of have to.
It's not.
It's not necessarily towardsyour question.
I ask every guest this, so youand your question then.

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Michael.
Dave, how can people reach outto you?
But you're a.
Every Tuesday in the WhitetailAdvantage podcast show, you can find
me on Instagram, Facebook andYouTube under PSE Mobile search.
Now, if Michael wants to feellike this is his question, I'll phrase

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it for him.
Andy, how can people reach outto you and follow along your journey,
brother?
You can follow along onwherever you get your podcast, Deer
Camp podcast, Instagram, theDeercamp podcast, and Facebook.
Andy Hutchins, how long haveyou been doing your podcast, brother?
We are going into our third season.
Third season, man, we're on earth.

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Second.
I think we started one and a half.
I think we started about thesame time, but you guys go twice
a week, and I only go once a week.
And I actually just went down to.
Well, I think all of us arepretty new since this.
What.
When did we all come on last?
Right around just before deer season.
I started this last February.
That was.
Yeah, I think I was like theSeptember before that.

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Okay, so we were like rightaround the corner.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Michael asks Brett, why can'tyou get more YouTube subscribers?
I don't know.
I'm not that popular.
I suck.
So there you go.
There's your answer.
My mom.
My mom listens.
So that's all that matters.
So you know what?
Oh, that's exactly.
If all.
If the only people thatsubscribe to my channel was my mom

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and she watched my stuff.
That's all I care about.
Everyone else can off.
She just can't come on whenSquatch is done because he gets all
googly eyes and startsdrooling all over himself.
I will say this though.
We have some amazing fans andaudiences of Whitetail Advantage
show.
So we.
We give each other crap allthe time though.
Like I said, it's brotherhood.
But we love each and every oneof you out there.

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With that being said though,let me let you guys go.
Again, Andy, thank you so muchman for coming to show.
We greatly appreciate man.
We'll definitely have to stayin touch and definitely have to hear
about your Iowa trip.
Absolutely, I will stay in touch.
I appreciate for having me on, guys.
See Andy.
See you, Dave.
Yeah, see buddy.
Oh man.
Again, Andy, thank you so muchman for coming on the show.
I greatly appreciate it.

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Michael stated we need to haveMrs. Bowen come on the show.
No, we're not going to haveMrs. Bowen come on the show.
Maybe.
Who knows.
Well everyone, that's going toconclude another episode of the Whitetail
Advantage podcast.
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