September 10, 2025 • 52 mins
We're diving into some intriguing topics today, starting with the mysterious case of a missing hunter in New York that has everyone scratching their heads. We also catch up on Johnny's recent elk hunt, where he had a close encounter with a seven-by-seven bull—talk about a nail-biter! Then we shift gears to Michigan's legendary Dogman, a creature that's become a staple in our local folklore, sparking curiosity and a few laughs along the way. We can't forget about Michigan's early doe hunting season, which seems to be the hot topic among us hunters, and we share our thoughts on whether it's worth getting out there early. So grab a drink, kick back, and join us as we navigate through these wild stories and share a few laughs!
We’ve got a jam-packed episode that opens with a chilling account of a missing hunter from New York. Tom Messick's disappearance has all the hallmarks of a mystery that sends shivers down the spine. As we sift through the details, we uncover the circumstances surrounding his last known moments in the woods and the eerie metallic sounds that were reported, which tie into the greater narrative of the missing 411 phenomena. It’s a serious discussion that leads us to contemplate the thin line between the natural and the supernatural, and we explore how such tales become woven into the fabric of hunting culture. From there, we shift gears and dive into Johnny's elk hunting experience, where he shares the highs and lows of tracking that elusive 7x7 bull in the scenic backdrop of Oregon. His journey is filled with funny anecdotes and relatable frustrations that every hunter can empathize with. We throw in a bit of gear talk—what’s working, what’s not, and how to avoid looking like a total rookie while you’re up in the saddle. The conversation then takes a delightful twist as we delve into Michigan's Dogman legend, exploring its origins and the various sightings that have captivated the state. Johnny passionately recounts spine-tingling tales that make you wonder what’s lurking just out of sight. With a mix of laughter and some sobering moments, this episode is a perfect blend of hunting lore and the inexplicable, making it a must-listen!
Takeaways:
- In this episode, we discussed the mysterious case of missing hunter Tom Messick, emphasizing the strange circumstances surrounding his disappearance in 2015.
- Johnny shared his experiences from elk hunting in Oregon, detailing the challenges and adventures that come with chasing elusive game in the mountains.
- We delved into Michigan's local folklore, including the infamous Dogman, discussing its origins and the tales that have made it a part of our hunting culture.
- The early doe hunt season in Michigan was a hot topic, as we debated the pros and cons of hunting does before the regular deer season starts.
- We explored the humorous dynamics of our brotherhood, complete with friendly banter and light-hearted teasing about each other's hunting skills and experiences.
- Lastly, we touched on the importance of community and camaraderie in hunting, especially during the challenging times of searching for missing persons in the woods.
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(00:02):
Welcome to the whitetailadvantage podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
(00:22):
What is up, everyone?
We are back and squatches herewith the intro with me too.
Yeah.
You know why that is, Brett?
Because read in the subtitle.
What am I?
I'm Mr.
Reliable.
The guy is always here.
Yes, you are.
He's always here.
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What true brother is.
He's like a staple of the community.
He's here.
Sexy staple.
Yeah.
Staple you don't want toremove from the papers.
That's it.
The blind hunter.
What's up fellas?
What is up?
Blind hunter?
He's gonna have his show nextweek, I think.
Cool.
We got Mr. Nelson on too out there.
(01:03):
Nelson.
He had a watch land the squats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Was helping Johnny with hisOregon elk hunting trip and.
Yeah.
So you're back again.
Let me just.
It's been a minute.
So let me do the intro becausewe've been.
We've had a couple days off, so.
All right.
We're not politically correcton this show, as most of everybody
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knows.
Strongly believe everyone hereon the show.
We strongly believe in brotherhood.
And hunting goes hand in handwith brotherhood.
So we do a lot of hazingbetween us as the hosts and we haze
with everyone that's fans ofthe show, parts of the brotherhoods
of the show.
And we invite you guys to hazealong with us.
(01:46):
And no hard feelings oranything between it.
It's just good fun loving nature.
Dave's not going to be on withus tonight.
Johnny's going to come on latewith us when he gets here.
And then like I said.
What's up, ladies?
Oh, fuck.
Johnny's here.
Oh my God.
It is good to be back.
So we'll say this though, two things.
(02:08):
Sorry, we.
We were supposed to be on ourshow last Sunday, but a lot of things
were happening between us asthe co host.
Not as like were fightingbetween each other.
But no, we were.
We were.
Yes, we were all complainingabout the flavor of chapstick that
you use.
I use cherry.
I know.
And that's just not cool.
It's delicious.
No, but basically everyone inmy household has been sick and.
(02:33):
Yeah, your.
I don't blame them.
Last thing.
But not last but not least.
I swear to God, how many times we.
Episode 172 in.
And you're just.
I guess it's a good.
Like you said.
Welcome back.
My phone's on silent now.
Brett.
I'm sorry.
Thank God.
You're gonna piss me off.
And if I do.
What are you gonna do about it.
I'll tell you what.
(02:53):
A whole lot of jack and awhole lot of.
I have to say this though.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the military.
Thank you for your service.
And pay attention how I said that.
Men and women say that all the time.
Men and women.
There's only two genders.
So if you're one of those.
I think there's more than two genders.
Go get the mental health eval,you dumb.
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And yep.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the police officers, the
firefighters, everyone inpublic service.
Thank you for your service.
There it is.
There's the intro.
The boring intro.
Guys.
So got the saddle gear.
I've been testing it out.
You guys saw some pictures ofme climbing up a tree looking like
a little spider monkey.
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I haven't shot out of it yet.
So I'm trying to get used to.
Because I'm have it.
Have a fear of heights.
So I'm trying to get used tobeing up there by just a string.
Okay.
And I remember when we teamedup with XOP and Squatch was like,
you gotta get the Kong.
I know Johnny doesn't use theKong, but I. I bought the Kong in
the first place.
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And I you not.
When I finally got the saddleabout a week and a half ago, I for
a life of me was trying tofigure out how to get this loop.
Oh yeah.
Through this mini hole.
Yep.
Okay.
If you.
If you're just getting intosaddle hunting.
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It took me a whole week and a half.
I stopped and gave up.
And I said it.
I'm not going to use the Kong.
Then eventually last night Iwas like, all right, I gotta figure
this thing.
I was pissing me off.
There's.
If you take the kong and youtake like the piece of string on
the left side, the top piecelets open.
Oh my goodness.
(04:37):
I did not know that.
And it made so much simplerbecause then guess what?
You just slide the rope righton through there.
If it gets.
Come on.
There we go.
And then you slide it back onand there you go.
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So you got it figured out.
And then it just slides likethat, like a glide.
And if you need to reduce itthe other way, you pull on the string
and pull it on down.
So the Kong is all right.
But I bought the Mad river.
And that has an actual breakon it.
So when you do repel back oryou pull forward on the rope.
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This one has a break on it.
So you can actually repel downthe tree if you one stick or makes
it comfortable.
Like you know, you.
You got that little bit oflike a surge and you go, whoa.
When you start sitting back toget yourself comfortable.
Yeah.
And there's a rock climbingplace up here.
It's been in business for years.
And it's because we got thegunks up here, the famous gunk mountains.
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And I went in there and I hada very attractive lady seduce me
into buying that mad river andwould have bought it if it was a
turd, but you know, justhaving her seduce me into buying
this thing, it was a hundredbucks, but I'm telling you, man,
it's really worth it.
A lot of your good guys areusing them out there.
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That mad, mad river.
That thing works awesome.
It's just a lot of confidence.
You know, you want to beconfident up in that tree, especially
when you're putting yourweight back into that saddle and
you know you're twisting and turning.
You got to be fate.
You know, you want that stuffwithout a doubt, to work without
a hassle.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So when you want one, just letme know.
I'll send you out one.
Justin commented, lightweight,no metal.
(06:25):
Sounds like Brett's weekends.
He was listening to boys tomen or whatever he listens to.
No, he don't listen to boys.
And many listens to Celine,Dion, Cindy Lauper.
Cindy Lauper.
Yeah, yeah.
Barry Manilow.
Neil Diamond.
Yeah.
Anyways, tonight show we'rekind of be dipping into the.
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The paranormal.
This is world Johnny's avenue.
I know we've been dying tohave this type of show for Johnny.
No, he's Abby normal.
Yeah, you put an Abby normalbrain into a monster.
He don't know.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
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It's way before his time.
He ain't gonna know.
He doesn't even know who MelBrooks is.
Mel Brooks?
Yeah.
No, Mel Gibson.
Mel.
Mel Gibson?
No, not even close.
I don't know who Mel Gibson is.
Tell him, Johnny.
Mel Brooks is.
You ever seen that movie Spaceballs?
Dumbest movie ever.
(07:30):
Well, that was Brett's hosting event.
It's been 170some oddepisodes, but Brett will no longer
be a host.
The 172 dumb.
Well, either way, you're notgonna be a host anymore because you
just called that movie dumb.
It is dumb.
Spaceballs is ridiculous.
(07:51):
I want everybody.
So you guys may have heard myphone going off and it's because
people are actually texting meabout that.
Like I had an argument on the.
Last show, I think before wewent on break of how idiotic that
movie is.
It's not idiotic.
When's the last time youwatched it?
I don't know, like 10 years ago.
All right, your homeworkassignment is to go watch it again
(08:13):
because you're older.
You're older and you'll get itmore now.
Looks stupid.
Brett's not gonna get itbecause he's not much older than
he was when the show started.
Well, he was just a fetus whenthat came out.
Probably.
No, flushed.
I found this.
I've been dying to find theactual article about this because
(08:34):
I heard rumors about thisstory and I was like, I gotta find
this thing.
So let me try and share my screen.
It's about the missing hunterout in New York.
Oh, from the missing 411.
David Pus.
I think that's his name.
No, it's Tom Messick.
Yeah, yeah, he's not too farfrom you up there, Sprotch.
(08:55):
He's was up in the Adirondacksand went missing.
He was like a Vietnam veteran.
When was this?
When did that happen?
This happened in 2015.
Yeah, they haven't found him yet.
They still haven't found him.
Right.
George area.
Yeah, that's two and a halfhours north of me.
(09:16):
So the article, the title ofthe article.
This is Tom Messickdisappeared November 15, 2015.
Horicon.
I feel like I'm saying that wrong.
Warren County Lake George WildForest, New York On November 15,
2015, Tom Messick Senior, age82, an ex paratrooper, walked into
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the woods south of Brant Lakein New state to hunt for deer and
was never seen again.
No sign of him or hisbelongings ever turned up, including
a rifle and a walkie talkie,despite an extensive search of the
area.
Unusually, the FBI was eveninvolved in this investigation.
This is a strange and puzzlinghunting, this hunting disappearance.
(10:01):
So his whole family, well, hissons were out there with him, his.
His friends were out therewith him and they were doing a deer
drive when all that happened.
Yeah, based off of this, thinkhe was supposed to be on one side
of the lake and they were driving.
They were supposed to bewalking or driving the deer towards
him.
And then, yeah, the old menwere sitting in the line, the younger
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guys are pushing the deer to him.
And what his buddy said duringone of the interviews on the missing
411, the hunted was thateverything was normal.
And then he heard like.
Or that guy heard like ametallic sound.
And that's has been a hugething with the missing 411 is you'll
hear like a random, like oddmetallic, like shudder or noise.
(10:49):
Huh.
Like metal on metal type thing.
Yes.
And all of a sudden that waswhat happened.
And then they could never find them.
They've searched, they.
I mean they've lookedeverywhere for them and yeah, it's
just one of many.
There's another one of a guyelk hunting in New Mexico that was
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on that show.
I mean there's.
They're all.
It happens way more than whatpeople think.
Just randomly disappearing.
Yeah, actually that happenedwhere I was out hunting, the canyon
I was in.
That happened two years before that.
There's a guy that disappeared.
They found his son with abroken leg, but they never found
him.
(11:30):
Wow.
See when if you go on they'reasking like who was Tom Messick?
Tom served in the U.S. army asa paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne
Division.
He was 5ft 10 inches tall andweighed approximately 160 pounds.
He was an experienced hunterand woodsman and taught hunter and
survival training for many years.
He had a history of heartproblems and lost an eye in an accident
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with an explosive device inhis early 20s.
So he had a poor vision andlimited hearing as well as 159 stitches
in his hand.
Yeah, he had also accident.
It was a reloading accident.
Yep.
He had also just gotten over acase of shingles and nearly decided
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not to go out on the animalhunting trip.
It looks like this was thearea that they were search.
Searching or hunting for wherehe was at.
Let me see here.
He was last seen at 10am andwhen Messick did not show up at the
agreed upon time, his friendscalled forest rangers and they searched
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for from 4.30pm it got darkaround 7pm and at that point half
the group stayed, fired therifles and honked the car horns to
attract Tom to the area.
The remaining men left thescene and reported him missing to
family and the authorities.
The day after Tom haddisappeared on November 16, the search
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started with 13 trained SARprofessionals from Park Service and
it was well organized from the start.
And they even got helicoptersinvolved, dogs and just like nothing
even looks like canine unitsfrom the actual local police department
too.
One of 15 agencies wereinvolved including the DEC Forest
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Rangers, DEC Police CanineUnit, the DEC Police Officers, the
FBI Quick Response Team, aState Police Special Operations Response
Team, the Warren CountySheriff's Office Tactical Team and
volunteers from the New YorkState Federation of Search and Rescue.
No offense to this guy, but.
And I'm not big on missingpeople and searching resuscitators
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and stuff like that.
I'm just kind of going basedoff of like TV Shows and my personal
experience.
But that seems like a lot ofagencies or one person.
Yep.
And what's funny, don't get me wrong.
I'm glad they got more peopleout there trying to search for this
guy.
That's not what I'm trying to say.
Where I come from, it's like,all right, let's just get a group
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of local SWAT type area peopleand go search this grid area and
try and go find them.
But they're also searching avast variety, vast region.
So I want to take it to thenext level with the.
Since we're on paranormal withthat being it's in that area.
There's a squatch that was inthe town of whitehall.
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And Whitehall is really closeto lake George.
So I'm going to go out on alimb and say he got eaten by the
whitehall monster, which is asquatch, one of my cousins.
And, you know, he probablyfigured, well, the old boy's got
a bad eye, bad hand.
You know, he's been throughthe mill.
Let me just put him out of his misery.
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So then that could take it tothe next step of the paranormal.
We bringing in the Whitehall monster.
Which actually the Whitehallfestival is on the 28th of September
up there.
My.
My goddaughter's going to it.
She wanted to know.
She sent me a text the other night.
She's like, did you ever go to this?
I'm like, oh, I know of it though.
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Do you remember what year that was?
The Whitehall monster one?
It was in the 80s.
76.
1976.
A bear.
Yeah.
Road barefoot sighting.
Yeah.
I thought it was like 81, 82.
Like it was in the 70s.
Okay.
Nice.
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The white hole monster.
Is this a movie?
What?
The white hole monster?
It might be, yeah.
And it might have madesomething about it.
I don't know.
This has been a mate for anamazing podcast.
They're gonna be like, whatthe hell are they talking about?
I can't see anything.
You're just like sitting therelooking at your screen, sharing everything.
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But that's cool.
Yeah.
You gotta watch the YouTube video.
But no, I'm just looking at a website.
I thought this was.
There was like an actual thing.
Yeah.
About it.
Yeah.
Huh.
So that's interesting.
I don't know what happened tothe lad.
He must have wandered off somewhere.
So when I was out elk hunting,Brett, we were up in the mountains
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and, you know, it'ssouthwestern Oregon.
And we're sitting up there.
We had just got done with likethe Saturn.
And third night we're up thereGetting ready for bed.
And all of a sudden, thecampsite just down the mountain from
us Starts doing bigfoot calls.
Everyone started laughing.
Like, my.
My guides just started laughing.
They're like, oh, my God.
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And here I am, you know, beingfrom michigan, out in oregon, I'm
like, oh, that is so cool.
And they start laughing likepeople doing bigfoot calls.
And I was like, but what if itwasn't people doing a call?
What if it was a real bigfoot?
And, oh, my God, they juststared at me like, you idiot.
No.
I don't know if you guys remember.
I think it was just me when Idid this episode with cody.
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Yeah, it was Cody, where hewas from.
He's from north carolina, andhe was talking about his hunt up
in the mountains of.
I think it was.
He was in west Virginia.
He was turkey hunting in west virginia.
He was?
Yeah, yeah.
And he said he went in thewoods, and they heard.
(17:24):
Oh, yeah, we were on that show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He went with a buddy.
And it.
It was.
He was.
He said.
At one point.
I remember this distinctly.
He said that he was runningtowards his friend because it sounded
like someone was legitlyrunning after him.
And when he got to his buddy,he turned around, and there was,
like, nothing there.
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My question is, first off, I'mnot gonna go in those woods.
You don't go in any woods.
I don't.
I think hunting is for.
I'm actually gonna give uphunting, Wake up early enough.
And then when it's.
When you do get to go into thewoods, it's too hot.
That's too cold.
Oh, the humidity is not right.
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Or he's fingering out his kongso he can actually use his saddle.
Yeah.
Someday get up in the tree.
Yeah.
I kid you not.
I was sitting there gettingpissed, like.
And by all means, don't reachout to anybody that uses them and
like us and say, hey, I'mhaving a problem.
Well, I didn't.
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I didn't want to be like, hey,man, I can't figure this out.
Can you help me?
I use a. I use a carabiner.
That's all I use.
It's this little piece.
Let me move it here.
This little thing.
And it was struck.
It was pissing me off.
I think that's why I didn'twant to reach out, Because I was
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like, I will figure you out,you son of a.
He's.
He's holding his kong and,like, strangling it.
And I was, like, small.
It is.
I was.
I seriously, at a moment, waslike, you know what it.
I'm gonna take this and pushit as far as I can.
Get in there.
Go grab another pair ofpliers, get in there and pull this
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sort of through there.
Because that's how everysingle other hunter has done it.
I watch a video and this guyjust goes, yep, you just do this
and you move that.
I'm like, you've gotta be me.
Sometimes.
It's steering you right in the face.
All right.
I mean, get off your Kong andget back to the paranormal, you ding
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dong.
No, but I think we.
We had an episode where Johnwas talking about, like, have you
ever had moments in the woodswhere you just kind of like.
Like, freaked the out?
Yeah, Yeah.
I don't think we asked.
Johnny.
Did you ever have a moment?
No, I want to, like, I. I wantto have that moment where it's.
I go from a believer to a knower.
(19:52):
Like.
Like aliens or just like theparanormal itself and.
Paranormal itself and like,yeah, what's out in the woods?
You know, you hear all thesepeople who run into Bigfoots and
Sasquatch or see like UFOs andlike that, and I've seen strange
in the skies and stuff, butI've never had that encounter where,
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oh, I know it's Bigfoot or, oh my.
Like, I know whatever dog manor whatever insert name here is out
in the woods chasing me.
Never had that.
It'd be cool as if I did.
But can you explain Dogman forpeople that don't know what Dogman
is?
So that's a local Michigan.
Like the Michigan dog Man.
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He.
He's all over now, especially.
Well, it originated here inMichigan, basically like a werewolf
type thing.
Then it's also huge in thelbl, which is the land between the
lakes down in, like, I want tosay it's down in Kentucky, Tennessee
area.
Huge down there.
There was a story I listenedto on a podcast earlier a while back
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about a group of turkeyhunters that came across like, a
dog man or something.
And what it was is like it wasstalking them and then ended up like,
basically slaughtering thisentire family.
And they came across it later on.
And the.
The podcast that I waslistening to it on actually tracked
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down, like, reports from like, the.
The DNR and everything likethat that would collaborate their
story, but it was so vague,so, like, they didn't have names
to it and stuff like that.
But no, Dogman is like a locallegend of a werewolf around here.
Being from Michigan, it's.
He's huge in like, theMarquette or not Marquette I'm sorry.
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The Manistee National Forest,so not too far north of us.
Originally started out in there.
I think the first report cameout in, like, the 70s, late 70s,
early 80s.
Then it also transitioned intoMinnesota and Wisconsin.
You have the.
The.
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The Beast of Blair Road, Ithink it is.
Is another one from out in Minnesota.
Then you have the Windigo outin Minnesota.
You have the.
Not deer, which is anotherparanormal thing.
But.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's my rant on it.
I thought it started.
Where was it?
(22:25):
I did.
I for.
I thought it started up in the.
Up.
Thought it did.
So looking up right now,Wikipedia, was originally allegedly
witnessed in 1887 in WetfordCounty, Michigan.
Yeah.
Which if you don't know wherethat's at, that is over just east
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of Traverse City area.
Like, if you're looking atMichigan, it's like, over here.
No, that's Alpine County.
No, that is.
Oh, that was my kids.
Hold on.
Right there.
Oh, south.
I thought you meant.
I thought you said.
No, no, it's.
Yeah.
So those of you not watchingthis, all eight of you, that is.
(23:09):
Yeah.
Northwestern lower Peninsula.
That's like all three.
That's just missing the wordeast in there.
But.
Oh, Brett's gonna pullsomething up here.
Let's put it in.
Pulling something out right here.
Right.
And we've all seen that before.
That was disturbing.
(23:29):
Yeah.
Popping up here.
That thing looks like a wolf.
Yeah.
It's basically a wolf, man.
Yeah.
Have you ever seen that movieSquatch Silver Bullet?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It reminds me just of.
Of that.
Yep.
That's one of the movies I didcatch when I was younger, man.
Yeah, I figured you would.
You have good taste.
(23:49):
Brett's never seen it.
I'll drink a core.
Silver Bullet.
Yeah.
And then he sees a werewolf,but it's different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It says the legend haspersisted with claims that the Dogman
appears every 10 years, with anew sighting arriving on years ending
in a 7.
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The history of the Dogman isdeeply rooted in local folklore and
has become a source offascination for many, contributing
to Michigan's rich tapestry ofmythical mysteries.
Sightings of the Dogman aremore than mere whispers among the
trees.
They are tales passed downthrough generations, etching themselves
(24:31):
into the fabric of Michigan'scampfire ghost stories.
They made a song about this thing.
They also have a report of aman who shot one.
I sent it to you now, Brett.
All right.
That's that shot one.
Yep.
Yeah.
Oh.
(24:51):
Dude.
It's a pretty.
Pretty interesting story.
Oh, no.
Like, so.
So there's nothing I guess Ihave to watch this now.
Wow.
So I wish I would.
I would have known this wasmore of a paranormal one because
I would have done fuckingnerded out and got you all sorts
of shit for it.
But we set this up for you.
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I know, I know and I'm sorry.
You've been also busy.
I have been busy.
I.
We drove all the way fromOregon to Michigan, which once you
get out of western Oregon,eastern Oregon, Utah, Idaho, Nebraska,
Iowa, it just like goes like this.
It just tapers down frommountains to nothing, to nothing
(25:34):
to nothing.
To fields.
It was horrible.
Like nothing to see.
Yeah, that can be liketiresome while you're driving.
Because when you're drivingand you're like, all right, let me
watch some scenery to help mestay awake and enjoy it.
No.
And then you're just driving.
You just see open field, like boring.
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We saw a bunch of antelope.
That was pretty cool.
When did you get back?
Today.
Saturday night.
Oh, Saturday night.
Okay.
I thought, hey, when the didwe get on this personal story?
This is supposed to be about paranormal.
Your personal story.
I told you.
He is Abby.
Normal and still the same.
Did you have fun though?
Did you.
Did you see any elk?
Did you shoot?
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I can't use words today.
Did you try shooting at leastin an elk?
Me?
No.
Right off the bat, likeopening morning, the sun's coming
up.
We did that 7x7 on that I hadon camera that I showed you guys.
Yeah, yeah.
Like 100 yards away from us.
And for four days we justchased him.
And I had, I had cows come inand bed down in front of me at like
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30, 40 yards for like five hours.
I've.
You know, we've seen smallerbulls, but that seven by seven is
what I wanted.
We chased them for four days.
I should have stayed out therelonger, but just ran out of time.
You think if you stayed out there.
Longer you would have caughtup to them eventually?
Yeah, so next year I'mplanning, I'm already planning like
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a two and a half week trip outthere, if not wander, so.
So you knew where he's at, youjust couldn't get him in.
Yeah, we would see him.
We'd go up.
You know, it's all spot andstock, right.
We would see him.
We're drone stocked up on himand he'd be somewhere else and would.
We did about a hundred milesin three days.
And the steepest was we went137 yards down a 37 degree grade
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with a thousand foot elevation change.
Oh, Dang.
Damn, dude.
Dude.
I was smoked to say the least.
Players of the forest coming.
Gonna have to build Johnny acabin out here.
I didn't even like when I was hunting.
It was a.
It was a hammock.
That's all I slept in.
See that seems a littlecomfortable though.
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It was until it was the fourth night.
Yeah.
What's up my brothers?
What's up sister?
Because I know you identify asa chick.
Damn dude.
He's gonna kick your ass.
Yeah.
That was my home right thereon the side of a mountain.
Nice.
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So that's what you got to wakeup to and go to sleep too.
Nice.
That's awesome.
Nice.
Were you ever touched?
Did you get touched by Squatchout there at all?
I was hoping, but.
Hi Michael.
Holy geez.
He's been.
Michael.
I. I said hey in the comments.
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Oh you're just making sure.
You know.
I. I welcomed our toddler backto the show.
Yeah, our toddler friend is back.
Freaking cry baby.
He's on to you now, Brett.
Hey, there's two T's in thisof Brett.
Only Dave only gets to use theone T.
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And he spells boven with an I.
And he spells bowman with an eye.
There's only one person thatcan up my.
Let's go.
So let's do this here.
Let's have a Survivor stylegame here.
Okay everyone.
Everyone who's watching?
Just to vote one person outuntil we have one person left.
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So be the first one off.
You're going to be the firstone off.
Yeah.
Whoever you guys want to see disappear.
First off of here.
I. I can control everything.
And.
Everyone put the name down andwe'll just read the.
The first five.
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Yep.
Yeah.
There we go.
Yep.
Jake Chalker there.
Brett.
Brett.
Well come on.
Just get this done over with.
Put me out of my misery.
Hold on.
I'm.
I'm logging on to it too.
Hold on.
We can't do that, can we?
No.
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There's Brett.
Michael put Dave.
But Dave is unfortunately nothere with us tonight.
He had a cheese convention togo to.
He's the only one that cansmell from under cheese in Michigan,
so.
Oh, you blind hunter anymore.
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He doesn't want you on Brett, man.
There's a lot of Brets onthere, man.
There was one Johnny that wasfrom Brett so that was from Brett.
Yeah.
That don't count.
Nah.
Even the blind guy picked Brett.
He don't even know what youlook like.
Flavors of forest.
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Brett the ginger bovin.
Oh.
Which by the way, huge shoutout to Nelson at flavors of the forest.
When we were down there, hebrought us into the shop and he let
me create my own spicy garlic.
Oh yeah.
And he did it with.
He.
He allowed me to make a dryrubber and then a garlic on top of
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it.
Nice, dude.
It's amazing.
It's spicy, but it's soflavorful and it has all sorts of
different flavors to it.
But I have to send you guys alittle bit.
But I only have one bottle of each.
But yeah, man, they were amazing.
So, you know, if you guyslistening to this or watching this
(31:22):
right now have never triedflavor to the forest, hit them up.
Say you want some.
I'm a huge fan of the spicyand the lion's mane garlic blend.
Those are amazing.
I know Squatch used it all,all the time.
I. I use it.
I. I just made a video last night.
I made zucchini flowers thatwere deep fried and I. I did with
some regatta and you know, thetypical Italian stuff.
(31:44):
But flavors of the forest.
You know, when I.
When I'm not using realgarlic, it's like you're using real
garlic when you've got flavors.
Because it is.
It's freeze dried in the raw.
It's awesome there on your chest.
Buy 20 bottles of it if yougot to just.
Just hit them up.
We got to go out there andthat's your squash.
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And Brett is going to tattooon too.
It's great.
But their shop, right.
Nelson's made or helping memake the blends and he's doing everything.
Dude, we were coughing andsneezing like that whole room is
just the Darla dust.
It smelled amazing.
You could taste it.
But man, the amount that goesinto each bottle is just insane.
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So yeah, go.
Go buy a bottle.
Everyone tell them that the white.
Tell them that squash sent you.
I tell everybody to Squatch,send them anyway.
I always tell them, got tohook up our buddies out there.
They hook us up.
They take good care of us withour seasonings.
And we want to try to teachBrett how to cook one day so maybe
he can use it.
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We are.
We're going to start with.
With chocolate chip garlicflavors of the 4S'.
Mores.
Cookies.
Cookies.
We're just gonna let him do cookies.
Oh, that sounds yummy.
Yeah.
We can't trust Brett with a fire.
Yay.
I love cookies.
These are amazing.
And on that note, we need tosee more bred up here to vote them
off.
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Yeah, I think.
I think he got.
He won.
Brett won.
Yeah.
We.
We all knew that.
All right, so there we go.
So those of you Guys.
Oh, wow.
Our viewers just jumped up.
Brett, you just need to stay off.
All right?
Squash.
Yeah.
Season's coming up, brother.
Are you ready?
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Yeah.
I was out.
Saturday was opening day ofbear here.
Bear goes to the 26th.
I made some custom hand load,nasty 4, 45, 70 rounds for my new
gun.
Dude, I've seen the group is,man, Impressive.
Yeah, she's shooting spot on, man.
And, and, and you know, I'mhappy with it.
And she's, she's gonna be a killer.
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And I went up, went up to themountain by myself.
Nobody came.
I'm depressed.
I thought, thought my buddyBroadside was going to come with
me, but he had a priorengagement, so that's okay.
And ended up going up the mountain.
I got in there about 10 after 6.
It was just cracking daylight.
I heard one shot way off,maybe half a mile or so.
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It was so freaking hot and humid.
I came out of the house andI'm like, I must be retarded going
out in this heat.
I'm like, I, I don't know whatthe hell I'm gonna see.
But, you know, it was justthe, the excitement.
Opening day.
I wanted to get out.
You never know.
I did probably, I'd say fourmiles through the mountains.
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I went very, very slow, justlike still hunting.
Saw a couple of deer up there.
One was a buck.
I couldn't tell how big, buthe, he had a rack.
I could see it when he stoodup out of his bed.
No bare though.
I, I, I walked all around andthen the weather forecast was hold
on your ass.
It's going to be severethunderstorms, tornadoes, and I'm
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four miles up in the mountainand I got a 20 minute Wolverine ride
back out.
So, oh, man, I said, let me,let me get out of here while I'm
still in one piece and I'm notdrowned in water coming down the
mountain here.
So I called it quits about 11o' clock and got back home here and
it rained a little bit.
We didn't get what they werecalling for, but it was still fun
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to get out.
And Saturday I got anengagement with Frank to go to.
It's a big gun raffle that wego to every year.
Sunday I might get out.
Maybe I get out in themountains, maybe, maybe I can grab
my son and get out and go upand see if we can get something,
man.
All right on, man.
Yeah, yeah.
We got the liberty hunt thisweek here or this weekend here.
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Now that's Bo, right?
You're hunting with Bo on TheLiberty Hunt.
Yeah, it's a youth and disabled.
Yeah.
Yep.
Cool.
Okay.
And they.
You can either weapon or youcan use, you know, rifle, shotgun,
whatever.
Yeah.
But no, I'll be using archerythis year or again this season.
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I know a couple other peopleI've talked to, they're gonna use
shotguns.
But I.
The other day, well, I sentyou that picture of that decent 8
point that just showed uprandomly during the day.
Yeah.
Yeah, it looks great.
Yeah.
Oh, you guys hear that?
Where is he?
Oh, he's right.
Oh, look, there he is.
Yeah, we pulled him out of.
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He came back from Misfit Island.
Nobody wants to play with abread in a box.
Nobody wants to play with abroken Brett.
Are you actually allowed tohunt bucks now though?
Because I remember Blindhunter said there was.
It got changed.
Yes.
I called the DNR yesterday tomake sure because.
So I wanted to make sure thatI was legal.
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I wanted to shoot a buck.
Right.
I have this new one on my camera.
Chances are I'm going to seethem, I'm going to stick them.
Fingers crossed.
So I called the DNR and I waslike, listen, can I use.
I know the rules were talkingabout being changed.
Only doe.
Now I'm hearing bucks or doe,what can I shoot?
And they're like, you canshoot any buck.
(37:04):
Doesn't have to be point restriction.
But only one.
You can shoot any doe.
And you can shoot more thanone doe.
I'm like, all right, cool.
So I was joking around withthem for a little bit.
Yeah.
And just asking them more questions.
And they're like, all right,well, you know, would you like anything
else?
I'm like, yes.
I need 5 onx pins dropped tome where I can find the best deer.
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Dude, I've never heard DNRofficers laugh so hard in my life.
They're like, I wish we could.
I'm like, you can can just letme know where they are.
But you just said, I'm aformer army dude.
Just give me the lat and longon it.
And we're gelding.
Right.
Give me, give me an eightdigit dread.
I'll find them.
Yeah, right.
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Tell him, Johnny.
I didn't get shot in the neckfor nothing.
That's right.
Yeah.
So what can you shoot now inthe Liberty Hunt here in Michigan?
Say that again this year.
You can shoot anything again.
Just like last year.
One buck or as many does asyou want.
As many does?
I feel like that's new, though.
No, last year was the same.
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You could tag it out potentially.
Last year you Just shoot bothbots if you wanted.
But this year it's one buck orI mean, we can shoot 17 does from
November or October 1st toJanuary 1st.
We're bad.
And then unlimited doesJanuary 1st to January 31st.
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As long as you keep buyingtags, you can shoot them.
And is it unlimited from theliberty hunt to.
Well, you only have two days, right?
Yeah, you have two days.
So you have liberty hunt this weekend.
You can shoot one buck and asmany does as you want, as long as
you have the tags for them.
Right.
The following weekend is earlydoe season.
You can use any weapon and youcan shoot only does again, as many
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as you want or as many as youhave tags for.
Then it does two.
Then it does what, a week orsomething like that?
Ten days and then it's October 1st.
That's, you know, opening dayof bow season.
Yeah, here too.
Here too.
Yep.
And then you're talking about that.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, no, no, go ahead, man.
No, I was going to say, Iremember we were talking.
I think that was on the lastshow before.
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But me not shooting a dough.
I mean, I've said it all the time.
But how we have an early doeseason now, and I don't know if I
really want to do that now.
Dude.
What?
All right, part of me wants to.
Though, so I can get out inthe woods and practice.
We talked about this in, inour group text.
I. I mean, there's four of usin there, three of us talk.
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But, you know, we.
We wonder, why would you nottake advantage of an early do season?
Think of it this way, the doeare going to be less alert, right?
You're going to be out in thewoods earlier.
You get to see what's going on.
You get to see theirenvironment right now, little insight
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on early season.
So maybe, hey, you know,October 1st comes around.
I have a better idea of what'sgoing on out there.
And not to mention, let's faceit, if you have a chance at a dough,
Brett, take it because you'regoing to be sleeping in and watching
sports fucking the rest of theseason anyways.
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The dolest hunter, Brett.
Yeah, I just don't hunt on Saturdays.
Yeah, the blind hunter evenknows the doughless guy is gone.
Yeah, the blind dude sees thatI wasn't here, but.
No, no, why would you not?
What.
What's your advantages for notgoing out hunting?
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It's not like I think and, oh,I don't want to go out there and
mess anything up.
That's not the case.
The case is More of a.
Well, I have, I've beenhunting my whole life and I have
yet to shoot a doe during theactual hunting season.
Now, I strongly believe deerknow when like, hunting season starts
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or like they have like somelike, inner sense and shit or something
like that.
I don't know.
But I just feel like.
I guess I'm feeling a littlenostalgic about it all.
Like I want to do it duringthe hunting season.
So I just feel like if I wasto shoot a doe outside of that, for
my first one at least.
I don't understand why you'resaying during hunting season it is
(41:21):
hunting season.
Yeah, if they have a doeseason, it's hunting season.
So why redneck is gonna letyou shoot a deer from behind his
barn?
I know that, but I'm justsaying, like, for me, I. I just know
hunting season starts October1st, but not saying that's not.
I'm not.
It's not hunting seasonbecause it is.
I'm just saying.
(41:41):
And the actual, like, growingup that, yeah, I've known October
1st is opening day for me,that's the start of hunting season.
To me, this is just like, allright, here you go.
Here's two days.
Go hunt.
We.
We have that this weekend, too.
It's doe only.
Yeah.
Up here.
And you know, it's mepersonally, I don't go out because
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I have areas that I'm notspoiling with blood for the bucks
that are there.
I have a weary nine pointerright now who's been pretty religious
on showing up when he shows up.
And I'm.
I'm doing everything I canpossibly not to spook the steer.
And I did have a 350 poundbear go through there on the camera
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too.
But I wouldn't even go thereand bear hunt just because I don't
want to spook the Spock.
But like I said, I mean, youknow, if you can go somewhere and,
and pop your cherry on adough, I mean, do it.
Because not only that, Brett,if you're in, you're in your saddle,
it's going to give you goodpractice on a deer, you know?
Oh, God, yeah.
When that buck, when that bucksteps out, you'd be like, yo, I smoked
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that dough at 20 yards out ofmy saddle.
I got this.
This is a chip shot, you know,and it's.
And another thing, too.
It's usually so warm.
It's usually so warm.
I don't have anywhere to hangthe deer but my garage.
So I.
It's a big concern to me aboutspoiling the deer if I do shoot one.
So that's.
That's the only reason why Idon't go and do it early season.
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I mean, I. I.
It's not that I wouldn't, butI just don't want to rush to have
to try to cut the deer up and,you know, not let it hang for a few
days.
I shoot my majority of doeslate rifle, and in through muzzleloader
season, I killed two right offthe bat with the muzzle loader, so,
you know, it's colder.
(43:29):
Then I can let them hang inthe garage for a couple days and,
you know, get them ready tocut up.
But I'm.
I don't like.
Oh, sorry.
I thought you were done.
No, I was just gonna say I don't.
I don't begrudge anybody thatdoes it this early.
I mean, by all means, get outthere and do it.
And I'm.
I mean, I. I don't think youshould feel any like.
Like it's some discredit tonot doing it during October 1st season.
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I think it's damn good if youget out and do it now.
I mean, I really would.
Yeah, I wouldn't think anyless of it at all.
I would say that's a freakingaccomplishment to get out.
Dad's not gonna love youanymore, you know?
Yeah.
Your dad.
Well, he hasn't even told him.
He's proud of him, so.
Well, no, because he's not.
But, I mean, you know, we hadhis dad and I had this discussion
(44:14):
one night.
Oh, you too, huh?
Oh, you, too?
Oh, yeah.
No, I'll.
I'll most likely do it becauseI. I want to get.
Because I've noticed when Iget my first, like, buck or just
deer, then I feel less nervousor feel like that monkey's off my
back.
Like, all right, now I feel alittle loose.
(44:35):
I got one in the bag.
Got one in the freezer.
All right, now we can kind ofquote unquote trophy hunt, if you
want to use those terms, whatever.
But I'm thinking of just mymain reason of wanting to do it,
Obviously, besides the fact ofI want me get my first doe is getting
to practice in my saddle.
All right, so early doe season.
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Why don't you and Dave comeout to my spots?
I have does left and right onmy cameras.
I mean, there's.
I can't go a day withouthaving 10 different does on my cameras.
You guys can pick out a spot.
I'll point you in the rightdirection, you guys, and shoot all
the does you want.
How's that we'll set up a basecamp here at my place.
(45:18):
We'll hunt out of there.
Some random person just sentme a bunch of trail camera photos
of these deer.
Well, I don't even know thephone number.
It's not even listed on my phone.
Really?
How did someone get my phone number?
Oh, it might have been to thattruck stop I wrote it on.
(45:39):
But I said, did I write ordeer picks.
I can't remember.
Deer pics.
Yeah, you probably wrote it wrong.
Yeah, I did.
Oh, man.
That means Dave is reading allthe other ones.
I'm sorry, David.
That's why he's not here.
To work.
(46:00):
Yeah, now I know who this is.
I know why.
Because the.
Some.
My phone.
My phone's been acting up lately.
Yeah, it's probably a piece of apple.
No.
Okay.
You know, just because I.
You.
Well, guys, we kind of justwant to get back in the groove of
things with tonight's show.
Get back into it.
(46:22):
Yeah, I think we're just gonnawrap it up for the night.
Are you gonna hunt those thisyear or what?
He's.
He said he's gonna, but he's not.
I'm gonna shoot my first do this.
Are you going to do it duringthe first doe season or what?
He's not.
He's not.
I will.
I will get my tag, and that's it.
He's gonna get his tag.
So you haven't got your tag yet.
(46:43):
He's not gonna commit.
He's not gonna do it.
I haven't gotten for openingseason yet.
I'm gonna wait.
What the are you waiting for?
It's not like.
What am I gonna do, buy it?
And it's just gonna sit there.
So I can wait.
March 15, when all the tags goon sale in Michigan, I buy them all.
So that way I don't have towait and I don't forget.
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Good for you.
I know.
It is for me.
Okay, great.
I'm waiting.
Johnny, you should be like.
Like a.
Like a.
An advisor for hunting.
Oh, my God.
I should.
Yeah, maybe you should be on ashow and give your advice.
You know, there's like,financial advisors.
You could have.
John Johnny Nitros Hunting Advisory.
(47:30):
Johnny Nitro's FiduciaryHunting Advice.
Yeah.
And Paranormal Activity.
That's right.
And Abby Normal.
Yeah, Abby Normal Fiduciaryhunting advice.
More like Fag Douchery, anamateur tattoo artist.
(47:50):
That's right.
That was a good one.
What movie is that from?
Brett.
Yeah.
You don't even.
He don't even know you.
Big Red, you.
If you ain't first, you're last.
That's a good one.
That's a common.
That's a common one.
It's the same movie.
It's the same movie.
(48:11):
What?
No worry, no worries.
It's all psychosomatic, I know.
No worries, ma'.
Am.
Nothing to worry about.
I'm a volunteer fireman and anamateur tattoo artist.
That was on Ricky Bobby.
Yeah.
No, it wasn't.
Yes, it was.
When your father goes to showand tell.
Thank you, Terry.
We shared a jail cell together.
(48:34):
When the father comes to theschool and he comes in and she says,
sir, I'm sorry, there's nosmoking in here.
He says, it's all right, man.
I'm a volunteer fireman and anamateur tattoo artist.
And the kids go, oh, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, I remember that now.
Oh, yeah.
Baseball sucks.
You can't even remember a good movie.
(48:55):
Baseball does suck.
Anyway, well, may the Schwartzbe with you all.
Don't forget Dave said, don'tyou wish.
That he.
Wish that evil on.
Anarchy.
Anarchy.
I don't even know what it means.
(49:17):
I'm looking at you like aspider monkey.
I think Brett.
Hey, hey, Johnny.
I think Brett was the littleredheaded kid in there.
He was.
I think that was him.
Yeah.
Because I was so jacked up onMountain Dew.
I'm all jacked up.
A Mountain Dew.
I come at you like a spider monkey.
I'm gonna get you in back ofthe head.
Chip.
I love him.
Said, well, what'd you do today?
(49:38):
I threw some of grandpa chips,old war medals off the bridge.
Yeah.
Wanted us a couple wies.
We named a medicine woman,doctor twin and medicine woman.
This is a hunting show.
Coming from the host who itdoesn't kill a dough.
Yeah, Brett, whatever I got, Igot fit.
(49:58):
All right, Johnny, you want tohave a bet?
Yep.
Let's do it.
All right, I got 50 bucks.
It says he is not going to goout for early season and kill a doe.
Nope.
And Brett, if you do prove mewrong, you can go ahead and leave
a tip.
Thank me for my service.
Yeah, right there.
There's your tip.
Wow.
I'm gonna have to call Brettto remind him to wake him up.
(50:21):
You're the hunting advisor.
Yeah.
You're the hunting advisor.
That's gonna conclude anotherepisode of the Whitetail Advantage
podcast.
First, I did, I forgot to say,the 10 ring news.
And in the beginning, don'tforget the hunting season.
October through December, wedo not do a live show.
(50:42):
On Tuesdays, we only do one on Sundays.
Thank God.
One less day people have tolisten to us talk.
Oh my God.
We talk enough on the freakinggroup chat.
Except for you.
I know.
Jeez.
I was actually shocked to youwere on there early the other day.
I was like, holy crap.
When Brett said a picture ofhim hanging from a tree, I seriously,
(51:02):
seriously thought that wasgoing to be around his neck.
I was like, he just gave up.
That's it.
Nope, he didn't.
Oh God.
You all know our episodes getreleased on Mondays and Wednesdays
at 5am Unfortunately, I'm notgonna do the full outro.
You guys know the routine.
(51:23):
Thanks for coming in last minute.
Oh yeah, put your quarter inthe slot machine.
Off Johnny.
We'll see you on next Sunday.
Have a great rest of yournight everyone.
You just left it off at Off Johnny.
Yeah, off Johnny.
You Squatch.
Brett Boven.
You red headed piece of whitetrash monkey piece of dog looking
(51:46):
butthole.
Good God.
When I picture my Jesus, Ipicture him wearing a Leonard Standard
shirt with lawn flowing hairand I'm in the front row of that
concert hammered.
You know what he's doing?
Making fun of Brett Bovin Audios.
(52:09):
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the Whitetail
Advantage podcast.
We hope you enjoyed the showand we will see you next time.
Welcome to the whitetailadvantage podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
(00:22):
What is up, everyone?
We are back and squatches herewith the intro with me too.
Yeah.
You know why that is, Brett?
Because read in the subtitle.
What am I?
I'm Mr.
Reliable.
The guy is always here.
Yes, you are.
He's always here.
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What true brother is.
He's like a staple of the community.
He's here.
Sexy staple.
Yeah.
Staple you don't want toremove from the papers.
That's it.
The blind hunter.
What's up fellas?
What is up?
Blind hunter?
He's gonna have his show nextweek, I think.
Cool.
We got Mr. Nelson on too out there.
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Nelson.
He had a watch land the squats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Was helping Johnny with hisOregon elk hunting trip and.
Yeah.
So you're back again.
Let me just.
It's been a minute.
So let me do the intro becausewe've been.
We've had a couple days off, so.
All right.
We're not politically correcton this show, as most of everybody
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knows.
Strongly believe everyone hereon the show.
We strongly believe in brotherhood.
And hunting goes hand in handwith brotherhood.
So we do a lot of hazingbetween us as the hosts and we haze
with everyone that's fans ofthe show, parts of the brotherhoods
of the show.
And we invite you guys to hazealong with us.
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And no hard feelings oranything between it.
It's just good fun loving nature.
Dave's not going to be on withus tonight.
Johnny's going to come on latewith us when he gets here.
And then like I said.
What's up, ladies?
Oh, fuck.
Johnny's here.
Oh my God.
It is good to be back.
So we'll say this though, two things.
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Sorry, we.
We were supposed to be on ourshow last Sunday, but a lot of things
were happening between us asthe co host.
Not as like were fightingbetween each other.
But no, we were.
We were.
Yes, we were all complainingabout the flavor of chapstick that
you use.
I use cherry.
I know.
And that's just not cool.
It's delicious.
No, but basically everyone inmy household has been sick and.
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Yeah, your.
I don't blame them.
Last thing.
But not last but not least.
I swear to God, how many times we.
Episode 172 in.
And you're just.
I guess it's a good.
Like you said.
Welcome back.
My phone's on silent now.
Brett.
I'm sorry.
Thank God.
You're gonna piss me off.
And if I do.
What are you gonna do about it.
I'll tell you what.
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A whole lot of jack and awhole lot of.
I have to say this though.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the military.
Thank you for your service.
And pay attention how I said that.
Men and women say that all the time.
Men and women.
There's only two genders.
So if you're one of those.
I think there's more than two genders.
Go get the mental health eval,you dumb.
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And yep.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the police officers, the
firefighters, everyone inpublic service.
Thank you for your service.
There it is.
There's the intro.
The boring intro.
Guys.
So got the saddle gear.
I've been testing it out.
You guys saw some pictures ofme climbing up a tree looking like
a little spider monkey.
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I haven't shot out of it yet.
So I'm trying to get used to.
Because I'm have it.
Have a fear of heights.
So I'm trying to get used tobeing up there by just a string.
Okay.
And I remember when we teamedup with XOP and Squatch was like,
you gotta get the Kong.
I know Johnny doesn't use theKong, but I. I bought the Kong in
the first place.
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And I you not.
When I finally got the saddleabout a week and a half ago, I for
a life of me was trying tofigure out how to get this loop.
Oh yeah.
Through this mini hole.
Yep.
Okay.
If you.
If you're just getting intosaddle hunting.
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It took me a whole week and a half.
I stopped and gave up.
And I said it.
I'm not going to use the Kong.
Then eventually last night Iwas like, all right, I gotta figure
this thing.
I was pissing me off.
There's.
If you take the kong and youtake like the piece of string on
the left side, the top piecelets open.
Oh my goodness.
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I did not know that.
And it made so much simplerbecause then guess what?
You just slide the rope righton through there.
If it gets.
Come on.
There we go.
And then you slide it back onand there you go.
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So you got it figured out.
And then it just slides likethat, like a glide.
And if you need to reduce itthe other way, you pull on the string
and pull it on down.
So the Kong is all right.
But I bought the Mad river.
And that has an actual breakon it.
So when you do repel back oryou pull forward on the rope.
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This one has a break on it.
So you can actually repel downthe tree if you one stick or makes
it comfortable.
Like you know, you.
You got that little bit oflike a surge and you go, whoa.
When you start sitting back toget yourself comfortable.
Yeah.
And there's a rock climbingplace up here.
It's been in business for years.
And it's because we got thegunks up here, the famous gunk mountains.
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And I went in there and I hada very attractive lady seduce me
into buying that mad river andwould have bought it if it was a
turd, but you know, justhaving her seduce me into buying
this thing, it was a hundredbucks, but I'm telling you, man,
it's really worth it.
A lot of your good guys areusing them out there.
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That mad, mad river.
That thing works awesome.
It's just a lot of confidence.
You know, you want to beconfident up in that tree, especially
when you're putting yourweight back into that saddle and
you know you're twisting and turning.
You got to be fate.
You know, you want that stuffwithout a doubt, to work without
a hassle.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So when you want one, just letme know.
I'll send you out one.
Justin commented, lightweight,no metal.
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Sounds like Brett's weekends.
He was listening to boys tomen or whatever he listens to.
No, he don't listen to boys.
And many listens to Celine,Dion, Cindy Lauper.
Cindy Lauper.
Yeah, yeah.
Barry Manilow.
Neil Diamond.
Yeah.
Anyways, tonight show we'rekind of be dipping into the.
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The paranormal.
This is world Johnny's avenue.
I know we've been dying tohave this type of show for Johnny.
No, he's Abby normal.
Yeah, you put an Abby normalbrain into a monster.
He don't know.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
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It's way before his time.
He ain't gonna know.
He doesn't even know who MelBrooks is.
Mel Brooks?
Yeah.
No, Mel Gibson.
Mel.
Mel Gibson?
No, not even close.
I don't know who Mel Gibson is.
Tell him, Johnny.
Mel Brooks is.
You ever seen that movie Spaceballs?
Dumbest movie ever.
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Well, that was Brett's hosting event.
It's been 170some oddepisodes, but Brett will no longer
be a host.
The 172 dumb.
Well, either way, you're notgonna be a host anymore because you
just called that movie dumb.
It is dumb.
Spaceballs is ridiculous.
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I want everybody.
So you guys may have heard myphone going off and it's because
people are actually texting meabout that.
Like I had an argument on the.
Last show, I think before wewent on break of how idiotic that
movie is.
It's not idiotic.
When's the last time youwatched it?
I don't know, like 10 years ago.
All right, your homeworkassignment is to go watch it again
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because you're older.
You're older and you'll get itmore now.
Looks stupid.
Brett's not gonna get itbecause he's not much older than
he was when the show started.
Well, he was just a fetus whenthat came out.
Probably.
No, flushed.
I found this.
I've been dying to find theactual article about this because
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I heard rumors about thisstory and I was like, I gotta find
this thing.
So let me try and share my screen.
It's about the missing hunterout in New York.
Oh, from the missing 411.
David Pus.
I think that's his name.
No, it's Tom Messick.
Yeah, yeah, he's not too farfrom you up there, Sprotch.
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He's was up in the Adirondacksand went missing.
He was like a Vietnam veteran.
When was this?
When did that happen?
This happened in 2015.
Yeah, they haven't found him yet.
They still haven't found him.
Right.
George area.
Yeah, that's two and a halfhours north of me.
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So the article, the title ofthe article.
This is Tom Messickdisappeared November 15, 2015.
Horicon.
I feel like I'm saying that wrong.
Warren County Lake George WildForest, New York On November 15,
2015, Tom Messick Senior, age82, an ex paratrooper, walked into
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the woods south of Brant Lakein New state to hunt for deer and
was never seen again.
No sign of him or hisbelongings ever turned up, including
a rifle and a walkie talkie,despite an extensive search of the
area.
Unusually, the FBI was eveninvolved in this investigation.
This is a strange and puzzlinghunting, this hunting disappearance.
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So his whole family, well, hissons were out there with him, his.
His friends were out therewith him and they were doing a deer
drive when all that happened.
Yeah, based off of this, thinkhe was supposed to be on one side
of the lake and they were driving.
They were supposed to bewalking or driving the deer towards
him.
And then, yeah, the old menwere sitting in the line, the younger
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guys are pushing the deer to him.
And what his buddy said duringone of the interviews on the missing
411, the hunted was thateverything was normal.
And then he heard like.
Or that guy heard like ametallic sound.
And that's has been a hugething with the missing 411 is you'll
hear like a random, like oddmetallic, like shudder or noise.
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Huh.
Like metal on metal type thing.
Yes.
And all of a sudden that waswhat happened.
And then they could never find them.
They've searched, they.
I mean they've lookedeverywhere for them and yeah, it's
just one of many.
There's another one of a guyelk hunting in New Mexico that was
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on that show.
I mean there's.
They're all.
It happens way more than whatpeople think.
Just randomly disappearing.
Yeah, actually that happenedwhere I was out hunting, the canyon
I was in.
That happened two years before that.
There's a guy that disappeared.
They found his son with abroken leg, but they never found
him.
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Wow.
See when if you go on they'reasking like who was Tom Messick?
Tom served in the U.S. army asa paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne
Division.
He was 5ft 10 inches tall andweighed approximately 160 pounds.
He was an experienced hunterand woodsman and taught hunter and
survival training for many years.
He had a history of heartproblems and lost an eye in an accident
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with an explosive device inhis early 20s.
So he had a poor vision andlimited hearing as well as 159 stitches
in his hand.
Yeah, he had also accident.
It was a reloading accident.
Yep.
He had also just gotten over acase of shingles and nearly decided
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not to go out on the animalhunting trip.
It looks like this was thearea that they were search.
Searching or hunting for wherehe was at.
Let me see here.
He was last seen at 10am andwhen Messick did not show up at the
agreed upon time, his friendscalled forest rangers and they searched
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for from 4.30pm it got darkaround 7pm and at that point half
the group stayed, fired therifles and honked the car horns to
attract Tom to the area.
The remaining men left thescene and reported him missing to
family and the authorities.
The day after Tom haddisappeared on November 16, the search
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started with 13 trained SARprofessionals from Park Service and
it was well organized from the start.
And they even got helicoptersinvolved, dogs and just like nothing
even looks like canine unitsfrom the actual local police department
too.
One of 15 agencies wereinvolved including the DEC Forest
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Rangers, DEC Police CanineUnit, the DEC Police Officers, the
FBI Quick Response Team, aState Police Special Operations Response
Team, the Warren CountySheriff's Office Tactical Team and
volunteers from the New YorkState Federation of Search and Rescue.
No offense to this guy, but.
And I'm not big on missingpeople and searching resuscitators
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and stuff like that.
I'm just kind of going basedoff of like TV Shows and my personal
experience.
But that seems like a lot ofagencies or one person.
Yep.
And what's funny, don't get me wrong.
I'm glad they got more peopleout there trying to search for this
guy.
That's not what I'm trying to say.
Where I come from, it's like,all right, let's just get a group
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of local SWAT type area peopleand go search this grid area and
try and go find them.
But they're also searching avast variety, vast region.
So I want to take it to thenext level with the.
Since we're on paranormal withthat being it's in that area.
There's a squatch that was inthe town of whitehall.
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And Whitehall is really closeto lake George.
So I'm going to go out on alimb and say he got eaten by the
whitehall monster, which is asquatch, one of my cousins.
And, you know, he probablyfigured, well, the old boy's got
a bad eye, bad hand.
You know, he's been throughthe mill.
Let me just put him out of his misery.
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So then that could take it tothe next step of the paranormal.
We bringing in the Whitehall monster.
Which actually the Whitehallfestival is on the 28th of September
up there.
My.
My goddaughter's going to it.
She wanted to know.
She sent me a text the other night.
She's like, did you ever go to this?
I'm like, oh, I know of it though.
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Do you remember what year that was?
The Whitehall monster one?
It was in the 80s.
76.
1976.
A bear.
Yeah.
Road barefoot sighting.
Yeah.
I thought it was like 81, 82.
Like it was in the 70s.
Okay.
Nice.
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The white hole monster.
Is this a movie?
What?
The white hole monster?
It might be, yeah.
And it might have madesomething about it.
I don't know.
This has been a mate for anamazing podcast.
They're gonna be like, whatthe hell are they talking about?
I can't see anything.
You're just like sitting therelooking at your screen, sharing everything.
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But that's cool.
Yeah.
You gotta watch the YouTube video.
But no, I'm just looking at a website.
I thought this was.
There was like an actual thing.
Yeah.
About it.
Yeah.
Huh.
So that's interesting.
I don't know what happened tothe lad.
He must have wandered off somewhere.
So when I was out elk hunting,Brett, we were up in the mountains
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and, you know, it'ssouthwestern Oregon.
And we're sitting up there.
We had just got done with likethe Saturn.
And third night we're up thereGetting ready for bed.
And all of a sudden, thecampsite just down the mountain from
us Starts doing bigfoot calls.
Everyone started laughing.
Like, my.
My guides just started laughing.
They're like, oh, my God.
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And here I am, you know, beingfrom michigan, out in oregon, I'm
like, oh, that is so cool.
And they start laughing likepeople doing bigfoot calls.
And I was like, but what if itwasn't people doing a call?
What if it was a real bigfoot?
And, oh, my God, they juststared at me like, you idiot.
No.
I don't know if you guys remember.
I think it was just me when Idid this episode with cody.
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Yeah, it was Cody, where hewas from.
He's from north carolina, andhe was talking about his hunt up
in the mountains of.
I think it was.
He was in west Virginia.
He was turkey hunting in west virginia.
He was?
Yeah, yeah.
And he said he went in thewoods, and they heard.
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Oh, yeah, we were on that show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He went with a buddy.
And it.
It was.
He was.
He said.
At one point.
I remember this distinctly.
He said that he was runningtowards his friend because it sounded
like someone was legitlyrunning after him.
And when he got to his buddy,he turned around, and there was,
like, nothing there.
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My question is, first off, I'mnot gonna go in those woods.
You don't go in any woods.
I don't.
I think hunting is for.
I'm actually gonna give uphunting, Wake up early enough.
And then when it's.
When you do get to go into thewoods, it's too hot.
That's too cold.
Oh, the humidity is not right.
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Or he's fingering out his kongso he can actually use his saddle.
Yeah.
Someday get up in the tree.
Yeah.
I kid you not.
I was sitting there gettingpissed, like.
And by all means, don't reachout to anybody that uses them and
like us and say, hey, I'mhaving a problem.
Well, I didn't.
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I didn't want to be like, hey,man, I can't figure this out.
Can you help me?
I use a. I use a carabiner.
That's all I use.
It's this little piece.
Let me move it here.
This little thing.
And it was struck.
It was pissing me off.
I think that's why I didn'twant to reach out, Because I was
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like, I will figure you out,you son of a.
He's.
He's holding his kong and,like, strangling it.
And I was, like, small.
It is.
I was.
I seriously, at a moment, waslike, you know what it.
I'm gonna take this and pushit as far as I can.
Get in there.
Go grab another pair ofpliers, get in there and pull this
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sort of through there.
Because that's how everysingle other hunter has done it.
I watch a video and this guyjust goes, yep, you just do this
and you move that.
I'm like, you've gotta be me.
Sometimes.
It's steering you right in the face.
All right.
I mean, get off your Kong andget back to the paranormal, you ding
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dong.
No, but I think we.
We had an episode where Johnwas talking about, like, have you
ever had moments in the woodswhere you just kind of like.
Like, freaked the out?
Yeah, Yeah.
I don't think we asked.
Johnny.
Did you ever have a moment?
No, I want to, like, I. I wantto have that moment where it's.
I go from a believer to a knower.
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Like.
Like aliens or just like theparanormal itself and.
Paranormal itself and like,yeah, what's out in the woods?
You know, you hear all thesepeople who run into Bigfoots and
Sasquatch or see like UFOs andlike that, and I've seen strange
in the skies and stuff, butI've never had that encounter where,
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oh, I know it's Bigfoot or, oh my.
Like, I know whatever dog manor whatever insert name here is out
in the woods chasing me.
Never had that.
It'd be cool as if I did.
But can you explain Dogman forpeople that don't know what Dogman
is?
So that's a local Michigan.
Like the Michigan dog Man.
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He.
He's all over now, especially.
Well, it originated here inMichigan, basically like a werewolf
type thing.
Then it's also huge in thelbl, which is the land between the
lakes down in, like, I want tosay it's down in Kentucky, Tennessee
area.
Huge down there.
There was a story I listenedto on a podcast earlier a while back
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about a group of turkeyhunters that came across like, a
dog man or something.
And what it was is like it wasstalking them and then ended up like,
basically slaughtering thisentire family.
And they came across it later on.
And the.
The podcast that I waslistening to it on actually tracked
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down, like, reports from like, the.
The DNR and everything likethat that would collaborate their
story, but it was so vague,so, like, they didn't have names
to it and stuff like that.
But no, Dogman is like a locallegend of a werewolf around here.
Being from Michigan, it's.
He's huge in like, theMarquette or not Marquette I'm sorry.
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The Manistee National Forest,so not too far north of us.
Originally started out in there.
I think the first report cameout in, like, the 70s, late 70s,
early 80s.
Then it also transitioned intoMinnesota and Wisconsin.
You have the.
The.
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The Beast of Blair Road, Ithink it is.
Is another one from out in Minnesota.
Then you have the Windigo outin Minnesota.
You have the.
Not deer, which is anotherparanormal thing.
But.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's my rant on it.
I thought it started.
Where was it?
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I did.
I for.
I thought it started up in the.
Up.
Thought it did.
So looking up right now,Wikipedia, was originally allegedly
witnessed in 1887 in WetfordCounty, Michigan.
Yeah.
Which if you don't know wherethat's at, that is over just east
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of Traverse City area.
Like, if you're looking atMichigan, it's like, over here.
No, that's Alpine County.
No, that is.
Oh, that was my kids.
Hold on.
Right there.
Oh, south.
I thought you meant.
I thought you said.
No, no, it's.
Yeah.
So those of you not watchingthis, all eight of you, that is.
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Yeah.
Northwestern lower Peninsula.
That's like all three.
That's just missing the wordeast in there.
But.
Oh, Brett's gonna pullsomething up here.
Let's put it in.
Pulling something out right here.
Right.
And we've all seen that before.
That was disturbing.
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Yeah.
Popping up here.
That thing looks like a wolf.
Yeah.
It's basically a wolf, man.
Yeah.
Have you ever seen that movieSquatch Silver Bullet?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It reminds me just of.
Of that.
Yep.
That's one of the movies I didcatch when I was younger, man.
Yeah, I figured you would.
You have good taste.
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Brett's never seen it.
I'll drink a core.
Silver Bullet.
Yeah.
And then he sees a werewolf,but it's different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It says the legend haspersisted with claims that the Dogman
appears every 10 years, with anew sighting arriving on years ending
in a 7.
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The history of the Dogman isdeeply rooted in local folklore and
has become a source offascination for many, contributing
to Michigan's rich tapestry ofmythical mysteries.
Sightings of the Dogman aremore than mere whispers among the
trees.
They are tales passed downthrough generations, etching themselves
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into the fabric of Michigan'scampfire ghost stories.
They made a song about this thing.
They also have a report of aman who shot one.
I sent it to you now, Brett.
All right.
That's that shot one.
Yep.
Yeah.
Oh.
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Dude.
It's a pretty.
Pretty interesting story.
Oh, no.
Like, so.
So there's nothing I guess Ihave to watch this now.
Wow.
So I wish I would.
I would have known this wasmore of a paranormal one because
I would have done fuckingnerded out and got you all sorts
of shit for it.
But we set this up for you.
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I know, I know and I'm sorry.
You've been also busy.
I have been busy.
I.
We drove all the way fromOregon to Michigan, which once you
get out of western Oregon,eastern Oregon, Utah, Idaho, Nebraska,
Iowa, it just like goes like this.
It just tapers down frommountains to nothing, to nothing
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to nothing.
To fields.
It was horrible.
Like nothing to see.
Yeah, that can be liketiresome while you're driving.
Because when you're drivingand you're like, all right, let me
watch some scenery to help mestay awake and enjoy it.
No.
And then you're just driving.
You just see open field, like boring.
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We saw a bunch of antelope.
That was pretty cool.
When did you get back?
Today.
Saturday night.
Oh, Saturday night.
Okay.
I thought, hey, when the didwe get on this personal story?
This is supposed to be about paranormal.
Your personal story.
I told you.
He is Abby.
Normal and still the same.
Did you have fun though?
Did you.
Did you see any elk?
Did you shoot?
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I can't use words today.
Did you try shooting at leastin an elk?
Me?
No.
Right off the bat, likeopening morning, the sun's coming
up.
We did that 7x7 on that I hadon camera that I showed you guys.
Yeah, yeah.
Like 100 yards away from us.
And for four days we justchased him.
And I had, I had cows come inand bed down in front of me at like
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30, 40 yards for like five hours.
I've.
You know, we've seen smallerbulls, but that seven by seven is
what I wanted.
We chased them for four days.
I should have stayed out therelonger, but just ran out of time.
You think if you stayed out there.
Longer you would have caughtup to them eventually?
Yeah, so next year I'mplanning, I'm already planning like
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a two and a half week trip outthere, if not wander, so.
So you knew where he's at, youjust couldn't get him in.
Yeah, we would see him.
We'd go up.
You know, it's all spot andstock, right.
We would see him.
We're drone stocked up on himand he'd be somewhere else and would.
We did about a hundred milesin three days.
And the steepest was we went137 yards down a 37 degree grade
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with a thousand foot elevation change.
Oh, Dang.
Damn, dude.
Dude.
I was smoked to say the least.
Players of the forest coming.
Gonna have to build Johnny acabin out here.
I didn't even like when I was hunting.
It was a.
It was a hammock.
That's all I slept in.
See that seems a littlecomfortable though.
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It was until it was the fourth night.
Yeah.
What's up my brothers?
What's up sister?
Because I know you identify asa chick.
Damn dude.
He's gonna kick your ass.
Yeah.
That was my home right thereon the side of a mountain.
Nice.
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So that's what you got to wakeup to and go to sleep too.
Nice.
That's awesome.
Nice.
Were you ever touched?
Did you get touched by Squatchout there at all?
I was hoping, but.
Hi Michael.
Holy geez.
He's been.
Michael.
I. I said hey in the comments.
(28:31):
Oh you're just making sure.
You know.
I. I welcomed our toddler backto the show.
Yeah, our toddler friend is back.
Freaking cry baby.
He's on to you now, Brett.
Hey, there's two T's in thisof Brett.
Only Dave only gets to use theone T.
(28:52):
And he spells boven with an I.
And he spells bowman with an eye.
There's only one person thatcan up my.
Let's go.
So let's do this here.
Let's have a Survivor stylegame here.
Okay everyone.
Everyone who's watching?
Just to vote one person outuntil we have one person left.
(29:17):
So be the first one off.
You're going to be the firstone off.
Yeah.
Whoever you guys want to see disappear.
First off of here.
I. I can control everything.
And.
Everyone put the name down andwe'll just read the.
The first five.
(29:37):
Yep.
Yeah.
There we go.
Yep.
Jake Chalker there.
Brett.
Brett.
Well come on.
Just get this done over with.
Put me out of my misery.
Hold on.
I'm.
I'm logging on to it too.
Hold on.
We can't do that, can we?
No.
(29:58):
There's Brett.
Michael put Dave.
But Dave is unfortunately nothere with us tonight.
He had a cheese convention togo to.
He's the only one that cansmell from under cheese in Michigan,
so.
Oh, you blind hunter anymore.
(30:20):
He doesn't want you on Brett, man.
There's a lot of Brets onthere, man.
There was one Johnny that wasfrom Brett so that was from Brett.
Yeah.
That don't count.
Nah.
Even the blind guy picked Brett.
He don't even know what youlook like.
Flavors of forest.
(30:40):
Brett the ginger bovin.
Oh.
Which by the way, huge shoutout to Nelson at flavors of the forest.
When we were down there, hebrought us into the shop and he let
me create my own spicy garlic.
Oh yeah.
And he did it with.
He.
He allowed me to make a dryrubber and then a garlic on top of
(31:01):
it.
Nice, dude.
It's amazing.
It's spicy, but it's soflavorful and it has all sorts of
different flavors to it.
But I have to send you guys alittle bit.
But I only have one bottle of each.
But yeah, man, they were amazing.
So, you know, if you guyslistening to this or watching this
(31:22):
right now have never triedflavor to the forest, hit them up.
Say you want some.
I'm a huge fan of the spicyand the lion's mane garlic blend.
Those are amazing.
I know Squatch used it all,all the time.
I. I use it.
I. I just made a video last night.
I made zucchini flowers thatwere deep fried and I. I did with
some regatta and you know, thetypical Italian stuff.
(31:44):
But flavors of the forest.
You know, when I.
When I'm not using realgarlic, it's like you're using real
garlic when you've got flavors.
Because it is.
It's freeze dried in the raw.
It's awesome there on your chest.
Buy 20 bottles of it if yougot to just.
Just hit them up.
We got to go out there andthat's your squash.
(32:05):
And Brett is going to tattooon too.
It's great.
But their shop, right.
Nelson's made or helping memake the blends and he's doing everything.
Dude, we were coughing andsneezing like that whole room is
just the Darla dust.
It smelled amazing.
You could taste it.
But man, the amount that goesinto each bottle is just insane.
(32:27):
So yeah, go.
Go buy a bottle.
Everyone tell them that the white.
Tell them that squash sent you.
I tell everybody to Squatch,send them anyway.
I always tell them, got tohook up our buddies out there.
They hook us up.
They take good care of us withour seasonings.
And we want to try to teachBrett how to cook one day so maybe
he can use it.
(32:47):
We are.
We're going to start with.
With chocolate chip garlicflavors of the 4S'.
Mores.
Cookies.
Cookies.
We're just gonna let him do cookies.
Oh, that sounds yummy.
Yeah.
We can't trust Brett with a fire.
Yay.
I love cookies.
These are amazing.
And on that note, we need tosee more bred up here to vote them
off.
(33:07):
Yeah, I think.
I think he got.
He won.
Brett won.
Yeah.
We.
We all knew that.
All right, so there we go.
So those of you Guys.
Oh, wow.
Our viewers just jumped up.
Brett, you just need to stay off.
All right?
Squash.
Yeah.
Season's coming up, brother.
Are you ready?
(33:28):
Yeah.
I was out.
Saturday was opening day ofbear here.
Bear goes to the 26th.
I made some custom hand load,nasty 4, 45, 70 rounds for my new
gun.
Dude, I've seen the group is,man, Impressive.
Yeah, she's shooting spot on, man.
And, and, and you know, I'mhappy with it.
And she's, she's gonna be a killer.
(33:50):
And I went up, went up to themountain by myself.
Nobody came.
I'm depressed.
I thought, thought my buddyBroadside was going to come with
me, but he had a priorengagement, so that's okay.
And ended up going up the mountain.
I got in there about 10 after 6.
It was just cracking daylight.
I heard one shot way off,maybe half a mile or so.
(34:11):
It was so freaking hot and humid.
I came out of the house andI'm like, I must be retarded going
out in this heat.
I'm like, I, I don't know whatthe hell I'm gonna see.
But, you know, it was justthe, the excitement.
Opening day.
I wanted to get out.
You never know.
I did probably, I'd say fourmiles through the mountains.
(34:34):
I went very, very slow, justlike still hunting.
Saw a couple of deer up there.
One was a buck.
I couldn't tell how big, buthe, he had a rack.
I could see it when he stoodup out of his bed.
No bare though.
I, I, I walked all around andthen the weather forecast was hold
on your ass.
It's going to be severethunderstorms, tornadoes, and I'm
(34:56):
four miles up in the mountainand I got a 20 minute Wolverine ride
back out.
So, oh, man, I said, let me,let me get out of here while I'm
still in one piece and I'm notdrowned in water coming down the
mountain here.
So I called it quits about 11o' clock and got back home here and
it rained a little bit.
We didn't get what they werecalling for, but it was still fun
(35:17):
to get out.
And Saturday I got anengagement with Frank to go to.
It's a big gun raffle that wego to every year.
Sunday I might get out.
Maybe I get out in themountains, maybe, maybe I can grab
my son and get out and go upand see if we can get something,
man.
All right on, man.
Yeah, yeah.
We got the liberty hunt thisweek here or this weekend here.
(35:40):
Now that's Bo, right?
You're hunting with Bo on TheLiberty Hunt.
Yeah, it's a youth and disabled.
Yeah.
Yep.
Cool.
Okay.
And they.
You can either weapon or youcan use, you know, rifle, shotgun,
whatever.
Yeah.
But no, I'll be using archerythis year or again this season.
(36:01):
I know a couple other peopleI've talked to, they're gonna use
shotguns.
But I.
The other day, well, I sentyou that picture of that decent 8
point that just showed uprandomly during the day.
Yeah.
Yeah, it looks great.
Yeah.
Oh, you guys hear that?
Where is he?
Oh, he's right.
Oh, look, there he is.
Yeah, we pulled him out of.
(36:23):
He came back from Misfit Island.
Nobody wants to play with abread in a box.
Nobody wants to play with abroken Brett.
Are you actually allowed tohunt bucks now though?
Because I remember Blindhunter said there was.
It got changed.
Yes.
I called the DNR yesterday tomake sure because.
So I wanted to make sure thatI was legal.
(36:43):
I wanted to shoot a buck.
Right.
I have this new one on my camera.
Chances are I'm going to seethem, I'm going to stick them.
Fingers crossed.
So I called the DNR and I waslike, listen, can I use.
I know the rules were talkingabout being changed.
Only doe.
Now I'm hearing bucks or doe,what can I shoot?
And they're like, you canshoot any buck.
(37:04):
Doesn't have to be point restriction.
But only one.
You can shoot any doe.
And you can shoot more thanone doe.
I'm like, all right, cool.
So I was joking around withthem for a little bit.
Yeah.
And just asking them more questions.
And they're like, all right,well, you know, would you like anything
else?
I'm like, yes.
I need 5 onx pins dropped tome where I can find the best deer.
(37:27):
Dude, I've never heard DNRofficers laugh so hard in my life.
They're like, I wish we could.
I'm like, you can can just letme know where they are.
But you just said, I'm aformer army dude.
Just give me the lat and longon it.
And we're gelding.
Right.
Give me, give me an eightdigit dread.
I'll find them.
Yeah, right.
(37:48):
Tell him, Johnny.
I didn't get shot in the neckfor nothing.
That's right.
Yeah.
So what can you shoot now inthe Liberty Hunt here in Michigan?
Say that again this year.
You can shoot anything again.
Just like last year.
One buck or as many does asyou want.
As many does?
I feel like that's new, though.
No, last year was the same.
(38:08):
You could tag it out potentially.
Last year you Just shoot bothbots if you wanted.
But this year it's one buck orI mean, we can shoot 17 does from
November or October 1st toJanuary 1st.
We're bad.
And then unlimited doesJanuary 1st to January 31st.
(38:29):
As long as you keep buyingtags, you can shoot them.
And is it unlimited from theliberty hunt to.
Well, you only have two days, right?
Yeah, you have two days.
So you have liberty hunt this weekend.
You can shoot one buck and asmany does as you want, as long as
you have the tags for them.
Right.
The following weekend is earlydoe season.
You can use any weapon and youcan shoot only does again, as many
(38:54):
as you want or as many as youhave tags for.
Then it does two.
Then it does what, a week orsomething like that?
Ten days and then it's October 1st.
That's, you know, opening dayof bow season.
Yeah, here too.
Here too.
Yep.
And then you're talking about that.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, no, no, go ahead, man.
No, I was going to say, Iremember we were talking.
I think that was on the lastshow before.
(39:16):
But me not shooting a dough.
I mean, I've said it all the time.
But how we have an early doeseason now, and I don't know if I
really want to do that now.
Dude.
What?
All right, part of me wants to.
Though, so I can get out inthe woods and practice.
We talked about this in, inour group text.
I. I mean, there's four of usin there, three of us talk.
(39:36):
But, you know, we.
We wonder, why would you nottake advantage of an early do season?
Think of it this way, the doeare going to be less alert, right?
You're going to be out in thewoods earlier.
You get to see what's going on.
You get to see theirenvironment right now, little insight
(39:58):
on early season.
So maybe, hey, you know,October 1st comes around.
I have a better idea of what'sgoing on out there.
And not to mention, let's faceit, if you have a chance at a dough,
Brett, take it because you'regoing to be sleeping in and watching
sports fucking the rest of theseason anyways.
(40:18):
The dolest hunter, Brett.
Yeah, I just don't hunt on Saturdays.
Yeah, the blind hunter evenknows the doughless guy is gone.
Yeah, the blind dude sees thatI wasn't here, but.
No, no, why would you not?
What.
What's your advantages for notgoing out hunting?
(40:39):
It's not like I think and, oh,I don't want to go out there and
mess anything up.
That's not the case.
The case is More of a.
Well, I have, I've beenhunting my whole life and I have
yet to shoot a doe during theactual hunting season.
Now, I strongly believe deerknow when like, hunting season starts
(41:00):
or like they have like somelike, inner sense and shit or something
like that.
I don't know.
But I just feel like.
I guess I'm feeling a littlenostalgic about it all.
Like I want to do it duringthe hunting season.
So I just feel like if I wasto shoot a doe outside of that, for
my first one at least.
I don't understand why you'resaying during hunting season it is
(41:21):
hunting season.
Yeah, if they have a doeseason, it's hunting season.
So why redneck is gonna letyou shoot a deer from behind his
barn?
I know that, but I'm justsaying, like, for me, I. I just know
hunting season starts October1st, but not saying that's not.
I'm not.
It's not hunting seasonbecause it is.
I'm just saying.
(41:41):
And the actual, like, growingup that, yeah, I've known October
1st is opening day for me,that's the start of hunting season.
To me, this is just like, allright, here you go.
Here's two days.
Go hunt.
We.
We have that this weekend, too.
It's doe only.
Yeah.
Up here.
And you know, it's mepersonally, I don't go out because
(42:02):
I have areas that I'm notspoiling with blood for the bucks
that are there.
I have a weary nine pointerright now who's been pretty religious
on showing up when he shows up.
And I'm.
I'm doing everything I canpossibly not to spook the steer.
And I did have a 350 poundbear go through there on the camera
(42:24):
too.
But I wouldn't even go thereand bear hunt just because I don't
want to spook the Spock.
But like I said, I mean, youknow, if you can go somewhere and,
and pop your cherry on adough, I mean, do it.
Because not only that, Brett,if you're in, you're in your saddle,
it's going to give you goodpractice on a deer, you know?
Oh, God, yeah.
When that buck, when that bucksteps out, you'd be like, yo, I smoked
(42:47):
that dough at 20 yards out ofmy saddle.
I got this.
This is a chip shot, you know,and it's.
And another thing, too.
It's usually so warm.
It's usually so warm.
I don't have anywhere to hangthe deer but my garage.
So I.
It's a big concern to me aboutspoiling the deer if I do shoot one.
So that's.
That's the only reason why Idon't go and do it early season.
(43:09):
I mean, I. I.
It's not that I wouldn't, butI just don't want to rush to have
to try to cut the deer up and,you know, not let it hang for a few
days.
I shoot my majority of doeslate rifle, and in through muzzleloader
season, I killed two right offthe bat with the muzzle loader, so,
you know, it's colder.
(43:29):
Then I can let them hang inthe garage for a couple days and,
you know, get them ready tocut up.
But I'm.
I don't like.
Oh, sorry.
I thought you were done.
No, I was just gonna say I don't.
I don't begrudge anybody thatdoes it this early.
I mean, by all means, get outthere and do it.
And I'm.
I mean, I. I don't think youshould feel any like.
Like it's some discredit tonot doing it during October 1st season.
(43:53):
I think it's damn good if youget out and do it now.
I mean, I really would.
Yeah, I wouldn't think anyless of it at all.
I would say that's a freakingaccomplishment to get out.
Dad's not gonna love youanymore, you know?
Yeah.
Your dad.
Well, he hasn't even told him.
He's proud of him, so.
Well, no, because he's not.
But, I mean, you know, we hadhis dad and I had this discussion
(44:14):
one night.
Oh, you too, huh?
Oh, you, too?
Oh, yeah.
No, I'll.
I'll most likely do it becauseI. I want to get.
Because I've noticed when Iget my first, like, buck or just
deer, then I feel less nervousor feel like that monkey's off my
back.
Like, all right, now I feel alittle loose.
(44:35):
I got one in the bag.
Got one in the freezer.
All right, now we can kind ofquote unquote trophy hunt, if you
want to use those terms, whatever.
But I'm thinking of just mymain reason of wanting to do it,
Obviously, besides the fact ofI want me get my first doe is getting
to practice in my saddle.
All right, so early doe season.
(44:58):
Why don't you and Dave comeout to my spots?
I have does left and right onmy cameras.
I mean, there's.
I can't go a day withouthaving 10 different does on my cameras.
You guys can pick out a spot.
I'll point you in the rightdirection, you guys, and shoot all
the does you want.
How's that we'll set up a basecamp here at my place.
(45:18):
We'll hunt out of there.
Some random person just sentme a bunch of trail camera photos
of these deer.
Well, I don't even know thephone number.
It's not even listed on my phone.
Really?
How did someone get my phone number?
Oh, it might have been to thattruck stop I wrote it on.
(45:39):
But I said, did I write ordeer picks.
I can't remember.
Deer pics.
Yeah, you probably wrote it wrong.
Yeah, I did.
Oh, man.
That means Dave is reading allthe other ones.
I'm sorry, David.
That's why he's not here.
To work.
(46:00):
Yeah, now I know who this is.
I know why.
Because the.
Some.
My phone.
My phone's been acting up lately.
Yeah, it's probably a piece of apple.
No.
Okay.
You know, just because I.
You.
Well, guys, we kind of justwant to get back in the groove of
things with tonight's show.
Get back into it.
(46:22):
Yeah, I think we're just gonnawrap it up for the night.
Are you gonna hunt those thisyear or what?
He's.
He said he's gonna, but he's not.
I'm gonna shoot my first do this.
Are you going to do it duringthe first doe season or what?
He's not.
He's not.
I will.
I will get my tag, and that's it.
He's gonna get his tag.
So you haven't got your tag yet.
(46:43):
He's not gonna commit.
He's not gonna do it.
I haven't gotten for openingseason yet.
I'm gonna wait.
What the are you waiting for?
It's not like.
What am I gonna do, buy it?
And it's just gonna sit there.
So I can wait.
March 15, when all the tags goon sale in Michigan, I buy them all.
So that way I don't have towait and I don't forget.
(47:04):
Good for you.
I know.
It is for me.
Okay, great.
I'm waiting.
Johnny, you should be like.
Like a.
Like a.
An advisor for hunting.
Oh, my God.
I should.
Yeah, maybe you should be on ashow and give your advice.
You know, there's like,financial advisors.
You could have.
John Johnny Nitros Hunting Advisory.
(47:30):
Johnny Nitro's FiduciaryHunting Advice.
Yeah.
And Paranormal Activity.
That's right.
And Abby Normal.
Yeah, Abby Normal Fiduciaryhunting advice.
More like Fag Douchery, anamateur tattoo artist.
(47:50):
That's right.
That was a good one.
What movie is that from?
Brett.
Yeah.
You don't even.
He don't even know you.
Big Red, you.
If you ain't first, you're last.
That's a good one.
That's a common.
That's a common one.
It's the same movie.
It's the same movie.
(48:11):
What?
No worry, no worries.
It's all psychosomatic, I know.
No worries, ma'.
Am.
Nothing to worry about.
I'm a volunteer fireman and anamateur tattoo artist.
That was on Ricky Bobby.
Yeah.
No, it wasn't.
Yes, it was.
When your father goes to showand tell.
Thank you, Terry.
We shared a jail cell together.
(48:34):
When the father comes to theschool and he comes in and she says,
sir, I'm sorry, there's nosmoking in here.
He says, it's all right, man.
I'm a volunteer fireman and anamateur tattoo artist.
And the kids go, oh, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, I remember that now.
Oh, yeah.
Baseball sucks.
You can't even remember a good movie.
(48:55):
Baseball does suck.
Anyway, well, may the Schwartzbe with you all.
Don't forget Dave said, don'tyou wish.
That he.
Wish that evil on.
Anarchy.
Anarchy.
I don't even know what it means.
(49:17):
I'm looking at you like aspider monkey.
I think Brett.
Hey, hey, Johnny.
I think Brett was the littleredheaded kid in there.
He was.
I think that was him.
Yeah.
Because I was so jacked up onMountain Dew.
I'm all jacked up.
A Mountain Dew.
I come at you like a spider monkey.
I'm gonna get you in back ofthe head.
Chip.
I love him.
Said, well, what'd you do today?
(49:38):
I threw some of grandpa chips,old war medals off the bridge.
Yeah.
Wanted us a couple wies.
We named a medicine woman,doctor twin and medicine woman.
This is a hunting show.
Coming from the host who itdoesn't kill a dough.
Yeah, Brett, whatever I got, Igot fit.
(49:58):
All right, Johnny, you want tohave a bet?
Yep.
Let's do it.
All right, I got 50 bucks.
It says he is not going to goout for early season and kill a doe.
Nope.
And Brett, if you do prove mewrong, you can go ahead and leave
a tip.
Thank me for my service.
Yeah, right there.
There's your tip.
Wow.
I'm gonna have to call Brettto remind him to wake him up.
(50:21):
You're the hunting advisor.
Yeah.
You're the hunting advisor.
That's gonna conclude anotherepisode of the Whitetail Advantage
podcast.
First, I did, I forgot to say,the 10 ring news.
And in the beginning, don'tforget the hunting season.
October through December, wedo not do a live show.
(50:42):
On Tuesdays, we only do one on Sundays.
Thank God.
One less day people have tolisten to us talk.
Oh my God.
We talk enough on the freakinggroup chat.
Except for you.
I know.
Jeez.
I was actually shocked to youwere on there early the other day.
I was like, holy crap.
When Brett said a picture ofhim hanging from a tree, I seriously,
(51:02):
seriously thought that wasgoing to be around his neck.
I was like, he just gave up.
That's it.
Nope, he didn't.
Oh God.
You all know our episodes getreleased on Mondays and Wednesdays
at 5am Unfortunately, I'm notgonna do the full outro.
You guys know the routine.
(51:23):
Thanks for coming in last minute.
Oh yeah, put your quarter inthe slot machine.
Off Johnny.
We'll see you on next Sunday.
Have a great rest of yournight everyone.
You just left it off at Off Johnny.
Yeah, off Johnny.
You Squatch.
Brett Boven.
You red headed piece of whitetrash monkey piece of dog looking
(51:46):
butthole.
Good God.
When I picture my Jesus, Ipicture him wearing a Leonard Standard
shirt with lawn flowing hairand I'm in the front row of that
concert hammered.
You know what he's doing?
Making fun of Brett Bovin Audios.
(52:09):
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the Whitetail
Advantage podcast.
We hope you enjoyed the showand we will see you next time.
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