October 20, 2025 • 60 mins
Facing the emotional rollercoaster of hunting, I dive into a personal experience that left me questioning everything. After taking my first doe, things didn’t go as smoothly as I planned, and now I’m grappling with the aftermath. It's a tough pill to swallow when you realize that even the most seasoned hunters can make mistakes, and I’m definitely feeling the weight of that. We'll chat about the feelings that come with a less-than-perfect shot, the regrets, and how to cope with the consequences of our actions in the field. Plus, I’ll share a bit of humor to lighten the mood as we navigate through this emotional journey together. Grab your favorite drink, sit back, and let's talk about the highs and lows of hunting!
The hunting world is not just about the thrill of the chase; it’s also about the bond we share with nature and the respect we owe to the animals we hunt. In this episode, I open up about a deeply personal experience I had while bow hunting, detailing the moment I shot my first doe. What should have been a triumphant moment turned into a haunting memory as I struggled with the implications of my shot. With frank honesty, I discuss the moment I realized the doe was suffering and the subsequent emotional fallout of that realization. Squatch and Frank also share their own stories of similar experiences, emphasizing that every hunter faces moments of doubt and regret. Our conversation delves into the ethics of hunting, the importance of making ethical shots, and the emotional toll that comes with hunting. It’s a raw, unfiltered discussion that aims to shed light on the complexities of being a hunter, reminding us all to be mindful of our actions and their consequences. Together, we reflect on the lessons learned and how these experiences shape us into better hunters and stewards of the land.
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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
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What is up everyone out there?
Man, it feels weird to be backhaving our shows again.
It does, man.
I didn't, we didn't have ashow last week because, man, I was
just out of it.
Like I had to fever.
Like it was getting up intothe hundreds and then it was weird
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because it was like coming andgoing too be like a good stretch
of like four to five hours.
I'd feel fine and have like atemperature of like 98 something
or 99.
And next I know I'm headed tomy hunting property and it turns
into like 101 and I'm like,what the just happened?
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It was just a chaotic night.
And then my daughter's sick,my son was sick.
It's just, man, like, man, youcan't just.
You got germ factories.
That time of year, man.
They, they put it through theschool, school districts just to
infect everybody with crap.
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You know, make you takeviruses and take those pills and
injections.
Injection, take all thoseshots, everything.
I do have a lot of things Iwant to say though on tonight's show
and I'm just going to startoff with here I've been trying to
figure out how I want to start off.
I said, but I'm just going tosay this.
I.
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So you work with one group ofa gender and it's like working with
a bunch of toddlers.
I swear to God.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I used to work with all menand not.
It wasn't because of grind oranything like that.
No, it wasn't because of that.
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It's just.
Yeah.
Oh my God, I'm just getting sotired of it.
Of all the childlike behaviorand like that.
I'm tired of it all.
So that's my.
One of my rants.
But no, the team knows.
Nobody else knows.
It's nothing I'm going to be posting.
I didn't actually take anyphotos or anything like that.
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I was recording.
But I'm not going to beputting this on the Internet.
Last Thursday, I shot my first dough.
I harvested my first stove andit's nothing to be.
I'm happy in the sense of I was.
I still don't know how I'mhappy about it.
It's not like where we talkabout, oh, you shot a buck.
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Oh, it was only a sport.
A spike or a 4.4point for you.
You should be proud of it.
But other people aren't.
You know, it's.
It's not like that type of conversation.
It was.
It was.
I think it.
I'll just say this.
I thought the dough was alittle bit bigger than what it was.
I just got so caught up in thesituation of I see a doe finally
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coming.
By itself, it fit all thecriteria of what I thought needed
to be for the dough, forfamily rules and stuff like that.
To shoot the dough.
I saw it at 21 yards and at ashot at 21 yards.
It was kind of coring towardsme a little bit, in a sense, But
I still could feel.
It felt like I could pull theshot off and execute the shot.
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However, I still am just kindof playing back through my mind of
what exactly happened, how it happened.
Still torn up about it.
But the arrow went through the.
The nose, like, nose, moutharea right there.
And then a bunch of floppingaround happened, like, started happening.
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So it went into oh mode to me mode.
And I had to figure out what Ineeded to do next.
On top of.
So we all know I left lawenforcement ptsd.
And I'm not using that excuse,but that kind of kicked in moments
of that.
But it was just pure, oh, I up.
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I can't believe I let this happen.
And I was finally able toafter about 10, 15 minutes, I was
finally able to get the doeinto a position where I can try to
get another arrow through herlungs or.
Or just something just in thevital organ area to try to knock
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the.
To get the dough to pass away.
And it's still something I was.
Like I said I was finally ableto do was an emotional ride for me.
It's still an emotional ridefor me.
Sorry, I still have a bit of a cough.
But no, it's something that Istill regret it happened.
I know things is this is bow hunting.
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My dad told me you basicallysaid you gotta suck it the fuck up.
I agree with him, and I don'tagree with him to an extent.
This is bow hunting.
Shit.
Like, this is going to fucking happen.
And this is my first.
And I've shot deer and I'vetracked them and I just never found
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them.
However, this was one where itwas like, oh, shit it.
This is like happening righthere in front of my eyes.
And to see the placement ofthe arrow on top of it all, I think
was more of a oh moment.
And just to kind of see thedoe suffer like that is something
that all of us as huntersdon't want to happen.
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And it unfortunately happenedto me.
But I think I let the.
I don't know the term I wantto use, but I let the essence of
not shooting a good a doe getto me, and I think that's what kind
of motivated me more to shootthis doe.
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And I'm still extremelyregretful to this moment of how everything
transpired with this doe, andjust been praying ever since then.
There's just, hopefully, Godforgives me, the dough forgives me.
We all know that's not ourintent for that to happen, but at
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the end of the day, sometimessome of this shit will happen.
And that's kind of the placewhere I'm at right now.
There's a lot of backgroundnoise here.
Brett, Sorry to interrupt.
A lot of background noise.
Yeah.
Really?
It's not me.
I muted my mic, so it's not me.
Yep.
It's Frank's.
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Yeah, it's Frank.
It's picking up.
Sorry.
It sounds like it's picking upa little guy somewhere.
Probably he's upstairs.
So what I'll do is I'll keepmy muted until I'm gonna say something.
How's that sound?
You're good, bro.
All right.
But, yeah, that's just kind ofthe moment where I'm at right now
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there.
I'm not gonna lie.
There were moments where Ithought about, I'm just gonna put
the bow down forever.
I don't want this to happen again.
But I took some time to prayon it, and God already took one of
my lifelong dreams of becominga cop.
He I let the devil take thataway from me, But I'm sure as ain't
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gonna let him take huntingaway from me.
And it's still something thathaunts me.
It's something I'm stilltrying to find ways to make it up
to that dough, make it up to God.
It's something I still.
Like I said, this happened onThursday, so it's still a little
fresh with me.
Little bit raw.
But again, as we said, neversay never, especially in bow hunting.
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But this is bow hunting.
Yeah, dad from it, overcomeit, move on and try to figure out
what went wrong.
And I will continue to try andfind ways to make it up to this doe
that happened to me and honorher and all my hunts moving forward.
And one thing that reallypisses me off is when you.
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When I see people out therethat comment, oh, you don't care
about these deer, and you'reout there just murdering these deer.
I'm not trying to.
But use me as.
As an example of, like, I, I,I. I kid you not.
I was in legit tears when thisshit was fucking happening.
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Of just pure regret of what I did.
And to see like theseorganizations out there, like call
us hunters out of.
You're just doing this for murder.
You're doing this to go outthere and kill these innocent animals.
You have no feelings oranything towards them.
I'm living proof that that'snot the case.
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Now there are probably somehunters out there can say all.
There are probably a handfulof hunters out there that go out
there just to shoot the deerand have no heart or soul or feelings
or anything about the situation.
But the other 98% of huntersfeel the exact same way I do about
deer.
And they would feel somewhatin the same regards of how I felt
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in the situation that I'mcurrently in right now.
But with that being said, I'mjust going to leave it there.
Yeah, no, I. I feel for you,Brett, man.
I mean, I know you took itreally hard and you know, us as a
team, we all try to supportyou as.
As best as we can because, youknow, we've all been in the same
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situation.
It sucks.
And, you know, I mean, I'vebeen through it multiple times.
So I felt your pain.
I felt horrible.
And that's why I was like,hey, man, if you need anything, like,
I'm here for you.
I mean, it just, you know,really hits home and it sucks.
And I, you know, I feel badthat you had to go through it.
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I kind of went throughsomething a little.
A little similar on Mondaynight here in Jersey, actually.
The weather was.
And.
But I still went out for bear.
I didn't go out in themorning, but in the afternoon it
kind of.
The light.
The rain and everything kindof lightened up and everything.
So I went to one of my spotswhere I knew I was seeing, you know,
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some.
A de.
A decent amount of bears.
And wouldn't you know it, I'msitting there, you know, talking
to Squatch, texting him.
He's like, tonight's going tobe the night, brother.
I feel it.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I mean, it must have been,what, 45 minutes?
An hour later.
Yeah, I. I look over andhere's, you know, a beautiful, you
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know, s. She was coming rightfor me.
She snuck up on me.
It was like 25 yards and she was.
She was facing me.
So I didn't.
I didn't take the shot.
I waited because I wasn't sure what.
What exactly she was going to do.
And I was like, well, I'm justgoing to let her get closer the closer
the better.
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And she ended up going backand forth, back and forth.
And I got one of those.
The adjustable single pin sights.
So I'm like to try to make themost ethical shot.
Especially like it not onlybeing a bear, but just as being a
hunter.
I kept range find their rangefinding this because I had plenty
of time to do so.
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And she actually turned to leave.
And when she was leaving, Irange find that.
And for some reason I realizedafter the fact I put my.
I just did my pin to 30 andshe was only like 27 yards.
But she squatched all the video.
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She ducked.
Yeah.
She dropped about 6 inches.
Yep.
As soon as.
Right about as soon as Irelease and I touched off.
It was just about to hit her.
She like.
Squatch said she droppedprobably about six inches.
Hit her on top of the back.
Barely any penetration.
But watching her run away withmy arrow and everything, I'm like,
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oh my God.
Like you know, I'm likesending the video Squatch.
I'm like, what do I do?
Like, you know, like I'm likeI. I just.
I don't know.
I'm at a loss.
So we figured the most safething to do is for me to just back
out.
Don't go look for her becauseshe's already wounded and she's going
to be pissed.
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So he's like just, just backout, go in the morning.
Ended up going in the morning.
Didn't find not a drop ofblood, no arrow, nothing.
Come to find out, like threedays later, I got her on camera.
She's got a big scar on her back.
You know, looks.
I mean she looks fine.
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But you know, to put herthrough that and even to put myself
through that because, I mean,Squatch nose.
I was losing all kind of like,you know, like confidence and everything,
you know.
I ended up harvesting a bear.
Thursday morning, A nice onecame in, ended up harvesting it.
It was only that.
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That was like a 15 yard shot.
So that kind of boosted up my confidence.
I had to get back out thereand do it.
But I mean, for that, thatfirst couple days, man, it was like
I was second guessing everything.
And I mean Squatch would tellyou I was.
I was guessing the braw headsof this, the that, you know, it was
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just.
Just one of those things, man.
It sucks.
So I could feel for you.
I mean, I know my situation isa little different, but it still
didn't feel as good, you know.
So I feel for you, brother.
It's weird how you kind of anFYI Frank, your video like froze
of you looking like you'rejerking off something.
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Of course, of course it wouldbe mine that does that.
No, he's got the typicalItalian like, hey, what are you doing
over there?
Things not working?
Isn't it weird?
And I actually, I'll say this too.
It was.
I want to say it was threeyears ago at this point now, three
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or four.
But I was out hunting.
And I'll say this quick.
I was shooting at this.
This buck, ranged him at 35 yards.
And I'm perfect at 35.
And right as I hit, because atthat time, I was using an index finger
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release, not the thumb release.
Yeah, I hit the release buttonon it.
Literally, as I was doing it,he turned slightly, so the arrow
skid off of him and justmissed and he ran off.
I was like, what the just happened?
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And then I replay it back my mind.
Oh, he moved at the last second.
And then it was like a weeklater I saw him on camera and I was
like, oh, all right, he'sstill alive.
Well, he's looking great.
Then he turns and you couldsee like a fucking mile long scar
on his back.
And he had like this giantpuss sack thing on his shoulder.
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And I was like, fuck me, man.
Now, you can, obviously, inthose type of situations, like we
said all the time, this is boating.
You can't predict everything.
We want the broadside shotperfect right there.
The quote, unquote, we wantthat layup shot every time.
That's not gonna happen every time.
It's this.
This is bow hunting.
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This is hunting.
Even with you take a gun outthere and stuff like that.
But it's weird how Frank saidsomething after he.
When he shot.
When he shot that deer.
You start second guessingbasically everything on your bow.
I started guessing the same thing.
It's weird how the entirelength of the off season, like, I
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got this.
I got this.
I'm proud of it.
I'm 100 behind it.
100.
I'm behind it 100%.
But the mo.
And even if you go out thereand you shoot a world class dough,
a world class buck, andeverything goes perfect, you're still
not gonna second guess it.
But the moment a bad shothappens or just some.
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Anything bad happens with abad shot, you start second guessing
everything, literallyeverything from.
From the broadhead that you.
You believe is the number onebroadhead on the market and it's
yours.
Something goes bad.
Oh, it's gotta be the broadhead.
Oh, it's my.
It's my site.
What the fuck happened with my site?
It wasn't moved or up or downor something like this.
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And it would had to be theleveling or some on that.
Oh, it's my release.
Some reason happened like this maybe.
I don't know.
This really sucks.
I gotta go buy a new one.
It's just weird how thattranspires and I think it's.
And I'm not.
Maybe it's.
As hunters, we're trying tofind an excuse because we don't want
to accept the, the thought ofI just made a bad shot on this deer.
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All right?
So I'm going to speak my pieceon this whole thing that happened.
Let's be in agreement on onething right from the start.
Your life, things that arehappened in it is all written as
a script in the book, okay?
From before you're even born,your whole life is in pages, okay?
So you're gonna have good,you're gonna have bad, you're gonna
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have ugly.
It's all written in the book.
It's that chapter.
You got the chapter 31, wheretoday you're going to learn a valuable
lesson on how hard it is tobecome a hunter.
And you're going to have todeal with things in the woods that
you don't want to see.
It's just like when somebodybecomes an EMT and they have to go
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to their first car wreck anddig somebody out that's in pieces.
Okay?
Yeah.
We all know that that person'sgonna have to deal with that sooner
or later.
It's the same thing in thedeer woods.
Not every kill is a quick,clean kill.
Death is death, whether it'sfast, whether it's slow.
That was the day and that'show it was written.
I've wounded countless deerover the years.
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I. I hate the fact that's everhappened to an innocent animal.
I hate the fact that I had towatch that picture over and over
in my head.
Why it happens, I don't know.
Why do babies have cancer?
Why do innocent people die?
I don't know.
It's written in the book.
We are dealt that book andthat's what we have to deal with
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every day.
Okay?
So that's the circumstancewhen you have an unfortunate thing
happen to you.
You got to chalk it up and yougot to say, well, I'm still here.
Yes, I learned something outof this and I need to not look back
now.
I need to move forward.
Okay?
I shot probably a New Yorkstate record buck when I was about
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23, 24 years old with a 30 odd six.
That wasn't my gun, it jammed up.
The buck was beautiful.
I almost quit hunting that day.
I saw him one more time afterthat and I couldn't shoot at him
because there was a house inthe way.
Up until that point, I hadalways been a successful hunter.
I never missed, I always killed.
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I killed plenty.
Probably at that time of my life.
I had a hundred deer under my belt.
To have that happen to me wasthe biggest kick in the balls you
could ever feel.
And it was a monster, I'mtelling you.
It looked like something outof like, you know, real tree on these
farms.
This thing was a huge, huge buck.
A good friend of mine was with me.
He could even contest to thefact because he thought saw it stand
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up behind me when we werelooking for that deer.
I looked for a week straightfor that animal.
I couldn't find it.
I heard rumors it was stillalive the next year after a guy I
know saw it.
I sat there and I said tomyself, that's it, I'm done.
I can't kill a deer with a 30odd six rifle at 20 yards.
What's wrong with me?
And it hit, hit, hit hard.
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And you know, it checks your ego.
And there's been many moreafter that, many more.
There's been things that happen.
I can't even explain why ananimal suffered.
I hit a deer with themuzzleloader up here about three
years ago in the middle of asnowstorm and I, I blew its vitals
clean out with a.45 caliber slug.
That effing deer went like twomiles through the orchard, right?
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The only thing that made mefind her was the fresh tracks in
the snow and like 25 otherdeer tracks that I had to decipher.
Her hoof was dragging a littlebit because I caught her in the opposite
shoulder.
I found that deer six hourslater at 2 o' clock in the morning,
freezing my balls off out inthat orchard.
And I had to put her out witha pistol right to the back of the
head.
Okay?
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Talk about having respect andhaving to feel remorse.
But I couldn't let her laythere and die.
I had to put her down.
And you know, it's that lastmoment, it's squeezing the trigger.
It's something point blank andit's looking at you and you have
to put it down.
That's what makes men.
Men and boys.
Boys.
You gotta chalk it up.
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You gotta say, this is what Ihave to do.
Unfortunately, this is part ofhunting sometimes.
This is what God dealt metoday to deal with.
It was written in the bookfrom the start to the finish.
That animal was meant to die today.
If it wasn't, God wouldn'thave put it in front of me.
Everything is because andalways will be what God dictates
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for us to endure.
If you think anything less,you don't have faith.
And that's the best way that Icould put it.
And that's how you decipherand you get over these things that
you don't want to see, thatyou don't want to endure, and that
you don't want to have to deal with.
And yes, you always strive tomake the absolute best ethical shot
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possible.
Things will happen.
They won't stop.
It's going to happen again.
But you've got that experiencenow under your belt.
You did the right thing.
I told you sin was dealt withon the cross.
If you comm.
If you think that was a sin,what you did, it's not.
But sin's been dealt with onthe cross.
You don't have to worry about that.
You were remorseful to that animal.
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You said a prayer for that animal.
That's it.
That's the end of it.
There's no more.
The next time you go out andhunt, you start with a fresh pallet.
You say, I'm going to killthis animal quickestly and most ethically
as I can.
And I'm a good hunter, and I'mgoing to keep this going, and I'm
not giving up.
And that's the best way I cantell anybody that's been in that
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situation.
And I'm preaching to myselfhow to deal with it.
Remember, everything is in thebook of how it goes down.
Someday we're going to die.
We don't know how we're goingto die, but we're going to have to
deal with it.
So that's all I got to say on that.
No, you're right.
Yeah.
I mean, and I'm rough.
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I'm sorry.
I tell it like it is.
I'm old school.
I had to.
I had to.
I have to tell it like it is.
And.
And, you know, believe me, Iwill cry over a deer.
I don't think.
Actually, I don't thinkthere's one deer on the wall back
there that I didn't shed atear for.
That big bastard over there,my big guy.
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I scream and yelled for 10minutes that I was the king of the
woods because everybody wasafter him and I got him.
And you know, that.
That, like, that overwhelming.
I mean, God, I had arelationship with this deer and I
just killed him.
It's like shooting.
You know, you don't want tokill something that you love, but
you.
You know, you're after him.
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That's the whole part of the game.
I'm after that deer to killthat deer.
Mayor to take his life.
Not there to take pictures of them.
I'm there to kill that deer.
That's the one I want on the wall.
I want him.
And when things happen, youknow what?
You got to roll with it.
You make every effort possibleto go find that deer.
If you get a bad shot, you getsomebody in with a dog or a drone
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or whatever, get your buddiestogether, you.
You make that.
Because then at night, you cansay to yourself, look, this sucks.
I did all I could.
I guess it's just not meant to be.
Lord, I guess I. I'm not ableto get this deer down.
I'm not able to get him.
Why.
Maybe you figure he's neededsomewhere else or.
I had to learn something fromthis, and that's the best thing I
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can tell you guys.
Yeah, that's one.
Excuse me.
I'm still going through a cop.
No, that's like one of the topthing that I kept thinking to myself
was God's putting me throughthis for a reason.
This.
This was happened.
This.
This was set to happen for a reason.
And what is that reason iswhat I've been trying to wrap my
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head brain.
My head brain around asituation of like, well, what was
one of the reasons for me toget closer to God?
That's most likely one of themain reasons.
And no, you're right.
And I think it's.
I mainly, obviously, we're onhere to provide as much information
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and experience that we canthrough Whitetail Advantage and share
everything for you guys thatlisten and stuff like that.
And I have no problem comingon here and telling you situations
that I've been through or thatI'm currently going through.
For instance, like I am rightnow and my saddle hunting setup.
How I've been going throughwith that.
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It's been a dog show.
I can tell you that.
Ask the guys.
It's been a. Yeah, I guaranteeyou, I bet you they're probably having
their own side conversationwith each other.
Like this guy.
The.
Yeah, I'm going through it.
Last year.
I'm still going through it.
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I just bought that.
I just bought the XOP superfly stand.
Yeah.
To take the place of thesaddle when I'm not using the saddle.
But that, I mean, it's okay.
It's not bad.
It's not like the bigger,comfortable stands.
So I'll say that.
But hey, it's lightweight.
I can get it up and down quick.
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I'm not blowing my knees apartTrying to stand there on the saddle.
It's not like I'm giving up onthe saddle.
I want to use the saddle likewhen I do quick recon missions to
get in.
And, you know, if I think anarea is going to hold the buck good,
I'll get in there and get inthe saddle.
If I start seeing a lot ofdeer activity, Cool.
I'll take the superfly andmove it and put it in there.
Sit a little bit morecomfortable, you know, and be able
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to turn around in the tree anddo my thing Instead of trying to
shoot over my weak side and stuff.
You gotta.
It's all trial like you saw.
I don't know if you saw thepost today.
The eighters that I bought.
I cannot use things.
I can't use them the way they were.
I. I took a let.
My cousin and I were talking,and he said, hey, you know, electrical
conduit.
And I said, you know what?
I was thinking the same damnthing too.
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And I got some 1 inch outthere in the.
In the back of the house fromwhen I was doing my paver job.
And I cut it down.
I cut a slit in it.
I got it down over it.
It rolled a little bit.
I'm like, yeah.
I don't know.
I electric tape the crap outof it.
Yeah.
It's freaking, you know, alittle rough, But I don't care if
it's.
The only thing I'm scaredabout those, though, Free squatch.
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Is because they're cylinder like.
Yep.
Is your foot slipping?
Yep.
Yep.
My foot doesn't slip on themBecause I taped them so they can't
roll.
No.
I'm saying in general, though,like, the actual curvature of it,
though, you know what I'm saying?
It seems okay.
Like I. I climbed up it acouple times already out there.
And not only that, listen, ifI fall, it's four feet.
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I'm.
I'm not up.
I'm not using them up high.
I'm just using them for myfirst base.
Oh, okay.
I'm not.
I'm not up.
I won't use that damn thing.
No way.
Not me.
Maybe.
Maybe 21, not 50.
I ain't going that high withthat thing.
They're my first.
My first four steps.
I figured that.
I figured like that.
But I didn't know if, like,you were using those up there.
No, Hell no.
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No, no, no, no.
Gotcha.
I gotcha.
I was gonna just put themaway, send them out to Dave or somebody
to use, but I said, you knowwhat, Let me see if I can't make
something work out of thatbecause it does get me up about six
feet right off the bat withthe other two steps that are on the
stick.
So I did.
I messed around out here.
It seems pretty good so far.
So like I said, I'm only fourfeet there.
If I slip or something.
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Twisted ankle, whatever.
Michael here commented.
Yeah, he said, what up, Michael?
You're.
You're 12 years old.
You're 13.
Whatever.
I don't give a.
You're a teenager.
Wash your mouth.
That would soap.
Don't use that language onthis show.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, There you go.
Jeez.
Sorry to interrupt you, Squatch.
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He's the asshole.
He needs a.
He needs a good ass whooping,I think you know?
Yes, Frank, have you been apart of the show where you get to
be with.
With Frank, With Michael?
Not yet.
I'm down to do it.
It's all these new generation guys.
Geez, you know, they get afour wheeler and they think they're
freaking superheroes.
You know, they can just dowhatever they want.
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They hit the sense of teenagerand they think their balls dropped.
Yeah, I think he said something.
A little bit of poop here.
Oh, he's 15.
Brett.
He's 15.
Oh, he's 15.
He's the big dog now.
Yeah, he's got those little.
What do they call those littlepieces of hair that come out again?
It's like he's got like peach.
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Yeah, yeah, he's got peachfuzz on his little scrotum balls
down there.
He's like a little spike hornjust wandering the woods aimlessly
rubbing his horns on something.
And he.
Yeah, he's like that onelittle spike deer that walked around.
Oh, there's a doe.
There's another one.
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My ATV is bigger than Brett'slittle ass car.
I drive a truck.
Know your facts before youcome, bro.
I think he's confused with Johnny.
Johnny drives like a.
A Prius or something.
Yeah, that's first.
Geez, I could see Johnny justthrowing a deer on top of his Prius
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hood, driving around.
Yep, Pretty funny, Michael.
You probably could win a dicksucking contest, maybe.
Gun swelling contest.
Oh wait, a boner killing contest.
That's probably something youcould probably win too.
Oh gosh.
You want me to bring your mominto this too?
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Let's bring your mom into this.
She was pretty hot.
Yeah, you don't want to talkabout my mom on the show.
Let's talk about your mom.
I haven't seen pictures ofher, anything.
Let's just say she's a smoke Joe.
I'm gonna bet she's a smoke show.
Nah, I'm not gonna go downthat road.
Oh, there you go.
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Well, I think the, you know,like I said with what you had go
on, it's a sucky thing.
But, you know, everybody,everybody's, you know, I, I've, I,
I don't even want to reiterateon some of the, that I've had to
do to deer, you know, I mean,it's rough, man.
It's, it's.
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You're, you're killing, you'rekilling something.
It's not just hunting.
You're killing, you know, it's you.
Some people, I guess, I don'tknow, some people are just, it's,
it's no different than likewhen guys go to war.
Well, it hits you differently.
And I, I and Dave sent me a, avoice message and I forgot to send
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him a message back.
He said that he's a little itdry cough, man.
He's a little more numb to itbecause of his background and, and
stuff like that.
Because of being in the military.
I have it only because ofbeing in law enforcement.
The things that I've seen.
So trauma that you see isgoing to hit you differently compared
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to another human being.
So for instance, for me, yeah,the trauma that I saw affecting me
and my obviously my mindreally fucking bad now.
My partner that saw thesituation in the same exact cell,
he's still kicking and rockingit and good to go.
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Granted, he's also a marine, so.
But how I see something is myis going to affect me differently
than if Frank and I saw theexact same thing right now.
I might go a little longer.
Frank might go a little longerinto dealing with the process or
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being able to accept it,digest it and move on and that's
it.
Me, on the other hand, I tendto fester in that.
And I think I do it purposelywhere I feel like I need to fester
in it, where it like sinks in more.
But I also think that it'skind of a good thing because you
make sure that like, I do notwant to ever feel that shitty ever
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again.
Like, uhhuh.
But then it's also, you can bein that situation too long where
it's like, oh, now I just feel regret.
And now it's just PTSD type stuff.
But I agree with you with whatyou said squatch of it happened.
I did this for a reason.
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It'll show you the light of why.
And it's nothing to kind ofquote unquote drag your feet through
happened.
Let's move on from it, right?
You didn't mean for it.
Obviously, we all know Ididn't mean for that.
No, I feel terrible about it.
So sitting about it andpouting and playing the pity game
about it ain't gonna changethe fact.
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And I said, and it's weirdbecause I say the same thing to other
people.
Sitting and crying about itain't gonna change the difference,
the outcome of it.
No, no.
Now you're just playing thepity party.
For myself.
Right?
For yourself, I mean.
Right?
And now it's like I gotta takemy own words of advice that I would
say to somebody else.
So I think after today it'sgoing to be like, all right, game
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back on.
We gotta move on.
Accept it and overcome.
Move on.
Like I just said, sittingabout it ain't gonna make a difference.
It happened.
It sucks.
And every one of us huntersout there and I would fight this
to the tooth and nail.
Hey, I gotta get drink.
Otherwise dry cough, man.
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I swear I haven't beenswallowing a lot of cum lately.
Maybe that might be why.
Maybe we go out there and wewant the quote unquote story book
type shot broadside.
They're looking away.
They're clueless that you'reeven there.
It's 20 yard shot.
Boom.
You hit them through bothlungs and the liver right there through
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all the organs.
They run 20 yards and pass away.
Boom.
That's this, that's thestorybook thing.
Right?
But does that happen like 1%of the time?
Nope.
I've hit them from everythingwith high powered rifles to freaking,
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you name it.
And I've seen every variablethere is to see it.
It just, it's like I said,dude, you.
Sometimes you can't make the up.
It's.
It's already written down.
It's.
It's.
You know, when I, When I getthat feeling like I, you know, when
I'm trailing a deer and it'sstarting to like, not look good.
And I'm like, yep, I knowwhere this is going.
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So, you know, and it's.
But still, I don't give up.
I mean, I make every damn attempt.
Even afterwards, you know, Igo back out.
I mean, even Frank last yearwe both had instances.
You know, we're.
We're showing our gridpatterns on Onyx and I mean, you
can see there's not even a Gapbetween the lines where you're going
back and forth.
You might be on your hands andknees and stuff.
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But you know what?
I owe it to that animal.
You know, I owe it to that animal.
I'm not going to just say, youknow, and plus, I'm dying to know
what happened.
What.
Why didn't it kill the deer?
Why didn't I hit him where Ithought was a good shot, you know,
or whatever.
And you, you just.
I mean, I, like I've said, I.I've got pictures.
I mean, pictures of deer thatI've shot and found the next day.
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Through the vitals, throughthe heart, through the liver.
I mean, God.
We walk up on a dough that Ishot with my.35 quartering away from
me.
I blew its liver out its sideof it, and it ran, oh, man, five,
600 yards and was like, curledup like a dog and looking at us.
We almost walked by it.
And my son's girlfriend waslike, hey, that there's a deer right
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there.
I said, why don't you saysomething sooner?
Well, I didn't want to spook you.
I'm like, that's her.
And I, you know, I had to walkup and put the deer down.
But when we got over to theliver, the liver, intestines, part
of the spleen, a big holehanging out the side of the deer.
I.
How do they live?
If you shot somebody, they'dbe done in a second, you know, God
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forbid.
I'm just saying.
But you're right.
It's weird how you see thosetrail camera photos and you just
see deer with like.
I think I saw this one photo.
This one deer had like threearrows through him, and he's still
walking around alive.
I'm like, yeah, the.
Do these things live?
I don't know.
I know it's crazy.
They're tanks out there.
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We shot, I told you, I thinkthis story, that nine pointer we
shot over, I hit him fivetimes with a.35.
My neighbor shot him twice inthe throat, in the neck with a.270
at like 25 yards.
The first shot, the deer hitthe ground.
He went, yeah, because he washappy that it went down finally.
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And then it stood back up andhe shot it again with a.270.
And I had holes in it with the 35.
We counted them and I, Ilooked at him and I said, I, I, you
know, I don't know how they do it.
I don't know what these thingsare made of.
I don't, I don't know how theycan endure it.
I really don't know how theycan endure it.
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It's.
They're incredible animals.
And that's why, you know, wehave such an appreciation towards
these animals on how toughthey are.
Then again, I've pulled up andpancaked him and like, all right,
cool.
It's down.
Great.
He didn't feel nothing.
I'm happy.
I don't even have to go track it.
It's laying right there.
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There's times like that andthere's times like, okay, I don't
get it.
Why isn't he dead?
You know, And I told him.
I told you guys.
I told you guys that story too.
I shot a deer with the bowquartering away from me.
Arrow disappeared all the wayup to the fletchings.
Couldn't understand it.
Deer search came three weeks later.
That deer walked back to me inthe same stand and I killed it with
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my 257 Roberts.
And my arrow was still in it.
Why?
Because God said, follow me.
Put me first.
All your trophies will follow.
And it was there.
It happened.
So that's why I said, don't.
You can't.
You know, it's just likesomebody saying, well, I was born
a boy, but I. I'm really a girl.
Are you saying that God makes mistakes?
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God don't make mistakes.
He made you who you are.
Accept it.
It's the same thing, you know,with hunting.
It's the same.
You got to accept thesituations that come your way.
It was written in the quote,meant to be.
There's this quote that I know and.
Yes, Michael, Ask your fucking question.
You don't have to say, I got a question.
It's like you saying, I raiseyour hand.
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I got a question.
They called me in preschool.
Answer.
Just ask the question.
Can we consider a hunter sincehe hasn't even killed a doe in his
life.
What have you been talkingabout, Michael?
Yeah.
To the story, tonight's show.
Yeah, put down, put down yourInstagram and your, you know, Facebook
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and pay attention to the show.
We're talking about the doughthat Brett shot.
Yeah.
There's a quote in a movie from.
What's the name of the movie?
When the Game Stands Tall.
It's a very Christian based,football based movie.
It's considered better thanthe movie Friday Night Lights.
Okay?
In it, a character dies in.
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The movie's based on a reallife movie, real life events.
I can't remember his name.
Ryan.
Ryan.
Something died.
And the head coach goes to thefuneral and says for us to ask why
is to question yourbenevolence, the God, the almighty
creator.
And if we are to do that, wecan't consider ourselves Christians,
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if we are to do that.
So I thought that that hit home.
I saw that when the movie cameout and that, that hit me, that moment
when that happened of why,why, why, why?
And I started saying like,well, to ask why is like what you
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just said is why.
Are you questioning me?
Why are you.
Do you think I made a mistake?
Are you questioning me thatGod, the almighty creator?
And I was like, no, I'm not.
I'm just questioning of why the.
Is this just generallyhappening and what is the reasoning
behind this?
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Well, and I think that was allkind of put to it.
Yeah.
But no, we're going to beopen, transparent with everyone out
there.
At least I am with you guys.
I know everyone on the team.
We're going to shareeverything that we go through.
We have nothing to hide.
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We're just honest, normalguys, man.
We want you guys to learnfrom, learn from what we go through
so that way you can.
That's why we.
I created Whitetail Advantagejust to share these stories and this,
share these memories.
Because what I might be goingthrough, you just.
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Let's take a second, take itback, take back a second, Go through
Instagram, we go throughFacebook, Facebook pages of places
that you.
Top places you hunt, like topcontent creators that you like.
You go through there andyou're just thinking, oh, look at
them shoot the, this giantworld class buck.
Look at that, look at that.
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You don't really know them oranything like that.
And that's why we do theselive shows.
You get to interact with us.
You're gonna.
With you just like you with us.
And you listen to these onthe, on the audio version, you're
getting who we are.
Yeah.
So you get.
We want you guys to know whowe are.
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And this isn't just a smokeshow up here that we're doing right?
No, we are giving you piecesof who the we are, what we've gone
through and stuff like that.
And I'm not gonna come outhere and just show like, look at
all these big magnificentbucks I've shot.
No, I haven't even hunted outof the state of Michigan yet.
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Yeah, you're gonna, you'regonna learn from our experiences
and we want you to take fromit what you need.
Like for instance, I'm justgonna say this real quick because
we're getting ready to roundup for tonight's show.
My saddle hunting set up forhunting this year and how that train's
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been going.
Like we said earlier, it'sbeen a show.
I can say that.
It has been an easy one.
No, and it's been more of likea comic book type thing.
I think one of my otherbuddies that was out there hunting,
he watched me set up in mysaddle and eventually, long story
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short, I finally get up in the tree.
It's six o'.
Clock.
I'm hunting a food plot.
And I'm not even facing thefucking food plot.
I'm facing more in the wood.
Like here.
The.
The.
The food source that I'mtrying to hunt on is literally right
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here.
Yeah.
To the left of me.
Yeah.
And instead of like kind offacing the actual food pot or just
kind of being more quarteringoff of it.
No, my ass somehow sets up towhere I'm facing the woods, where
there's like, nothing.
It was just bad.
And then I look at my.
I look at my text message andmy buddy said, hey, you do realize
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I'm like five yards in frontof you.
I watched that entire train wreck.
I said, I can't see you.
So you're hidden very well,and I'm sorry you had to watch that.
Yeah, it's.
It's funny because you,you're, you know, being right handed.
You want to make sure that yougot your platform on your easy, on
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your strong side.
So then you got to figure out,okay, my stick's got to be here.
I'm going to step onto myplatform here at like, say 9 o'.
Clock.
If I'm looking at the tree,you know, you got to visualize your
whole setup before youactually get up there and do it.
Because you'll get up thereand do it and you're like, oh, what
the piss did I do?
I'm looking the wrong way, you know.
Yeah.
And it's happy.
You know, when I first startedout with it too, it's happened.
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I'm.
I'm no pro with that.
I only started it last year,but, you know, just finding little
different things that work for you.
Yeah.
You know, it's like anything.
The more you do it, the easierit becomes.
Yeah.
You know, you can practice allyou want, really, out in your backyard,
but, you know, it's differentthan you got a headlamp on.
You're putting stuff on a treeand you're trying to get up and figure
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out where you're going.
And, you know, eventuallyit'll be old hat.
You'll be like, oh, geez.
I remember I used to strugglewith trying to get this up here and
doing that, or how you.
How you toe kick in your standto get it to lock down better or,
you know, like, maybesomething you do with your lineman's
belt to make like.
Like, for instance, I was outwith Frank.
We were.
We were on the property.
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And of course, from last year,I totally forgot I wanted an eighter
for my lineman's belt becauseI had the stupid Prusik knot that
won't move with one hand.
And you got an arm around the tree.
You're trying to wiggle thisdamn thing with one hand, and I'm
like, aha, Gotta get the eight.
Or I look over at his beltwhen he was setting up.
I'm like, you already got that?
And he's like, yeah, I did itlast year.
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I'm like, I wanted to, but I forgot.
So.
Yep, you know, having thateight or on there, I mean, there's
a little trick right there.
It just makes it much easier.
You just pull the rope or pullyour release back and, you know,
it's.
It's.
It's awesome.
It just works.
Helps you out, you know,working things better.
So now with having that XOPstand, there's no more saddle set
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up.
So now I got the safety beltthat's really nice that they gave
you that has a lineman's belt,but that's got a different carabiner
than, like, I'm used to the aluminum.
This one's more steel.
It's heavier.
So now I'm fumbling aroundwith that, trying to put that through
my safety loop, but I got it,you know, and it's okay.
It's the same thing, but it'sa little different.
So it's all a little.
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You know what?
Just get out there.
The biggest thing is just getout there and figure it and freak
out.
Who cares?
You know, what's that?
You're gonna learn it.
Start somewhere.
You know, the squirrels aregonna laugh at you.
And when you're.
You're up to tree the wrongway, but as long as you're right
side up, you're doingsomething right.
Yeah, I agree.
And just.
Just start practicing withwhat you got.
And obviously, if you.
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I didn't.
Wasn't.
I got my saddle just a coupleweeks before hunting season started,
so I didn't have time topractice a whole lot with actual
gear.
I wanted to practice more ofjust kind of getting up and down
the tree because I was fear of heights.
But if you have the ability topractice well in advance before hunting
season, do it and if you have the.
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The honor of being able tohunt on private property, go pick
your trees out, get all yourstuff set up.
Bam.
Good to go right there andfind way to cut weight.
Because I'll tell you this.
Yep.
We are partnered with xop.
Yep.
Their edge platform is a greatplatform, but it's a great platform
if you're going to keep it inthe tree.
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Not one that's going to bemobile and you're going to be walking
and walking, wanting to walkmile plus that thing was going to
hold.
Carry you down.
Yep.
And their orbit things, that's.
Those are great if you'regoing to keep them in the tree.
But it's an actual ratchetstrap, so that part's allowed itself
and it's heavy and they'revery loosey.
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So they're going to fall outand stuff.
Yeah.
So find ways to get as muchweight as possible and stuff like
that.
You have any questions oranything like that, obviously I'll
help you, give you the advicethat I have currently to the point.
Yeah.
And you might want to ask me,like, I might not know the best like
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gear out there, but I'm goingto tell you my situation because
I'm currently going throughthat right now.
All right.
Squatch and Frank, they kind of.
They've got at least a yearexperience to one of their belts.
I'm still learning.
I'm still learning.
They're gonna still be goodpeople to ask.
I mean, we all go through.
We pick up like I pick upstuff from Frank or.
Yeah.
Stuff I see on, you know, justwatching a hunting show sometimes
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you'd be like, oh, that'spretty cool.
How he did that.
I like.
So here you go.
Right.
I don't want to spend a ton of.
Ton of money on camera arms.
I'm a cheap ass.
Okay, so what did I do?
I bought the easy hanger withthe three arms that kind of fold
in on each other.
And I have like this C clampmount that I can clamp to that arm
and then put my insta360 ontop of it and I can move it around
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and pan it around.
It works just like one ofthose arms.
It's quiet.
Don't jerk.
It's, you know what?
And it was freaking 19.99versus, you know, 200 and 400 and
whatever dollars those arms are.
Yeah.
And it also doubles as abinocular hanger plus my camera arm,
plus whatever.
And you've seen my setup withmy carabiner when I'm in the Saddle.
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I just clamp that clamp on there.
That camera follows meeverywhere I go.
If I pan this way, pan thatway, it's with me, it's moving around.
I don't need no fancy arm whenI'm in the saddle, you know, and
I'm.
Listen, I'm not putting outmovie production here.
I'm just trying to get thekill shot so you guys can watch it
and whatever and whatnot andbe proud that I did something.
But, but like I said, youknow, the other day, I was like,
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I'll take that little hangerarm with me.
I could put the clamp on thereand my camera set right up.
Dude.
Works perfect in 1999.
Hello, Flavors of the forest.
I see you on there.
Yeah, listen, you can't beatit because even, even with those
camera arms, like I have thefourth arrow on which Scott, you've
seen it before and it's full stuff.
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But sometimes, I mean, I'll behonest with you, sometimes it's a
pain in the ass just trying tostuff in the book bag and then you
got other.
You're trying to put in thereand like so much turn it.
It's nice.
If you're gonna go somewhereand leave it, like with me having
private property, if I knowI'm going to hunt the same spot.
I mean squatching those.
There's days I'll leave mysaddle in there a couple days, the
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camera arm in it, everything.
All I gotta do is just gothere, climb up.
I'm done.
But I mean, I remember when Ifirst got it going in, I was like,
God damn, now I gotta put thecamera arm on.
I'm trying to throw the strap around.
I'm like, oh.
I'm trying to get set up.
I'm like, oh, yep, the bowhanger, I'm trying to do that.
I'm like, oh.
So a lot of gear.
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Lot of gear.
A lot of gear.
And having a good backpack is.
Yeah, a good starting pointbecause I have a good backpack.
But I'm looking at it.
I'm trying to find a new onebecause there's a lot of gear that
I'm bringing out because like,I think it was Monday I was finally
able to start self filming myself.
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I was like, I don't even wantto get up in my saddle because I'm
still like coming back.
I'm getting off my fever.
I'm getting off being sick.
I just want to get up in oneof my 360s.
But I got up in my 360 and Iwas Like, I gotta get this camera
angle right here for thislittle GoPro.
Then I gotta get all thisstuff set up for my other.
My main GoPro threat.
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I'm not even done getting upmy bow yet and getting that all set
up and getting my backpack offall here and there.
And I'm like, okay.
At that point, it's likealmost 5 o'.
Clock.
I'm like, Geez, that took like45 minutes to an hour.
Just get that all done and Ihave two hours to hunt.
It wasn't even enjoyable atthis point.
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No, because by that timeyou're sweating too.
You're like, yeah, you'resweating exhaust.
Yeah.
Yep.
It's like, oh.
So then take, take on top ofthis now.
Here you go.
So I got the E bike.
So the E bike.
I lay down in the bed of mypickup truck.
That bike's 100 pounds.
So I just clear, clean, jerkthat thing right out of the pack,
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put it down on the ground.
I gotta load the bow on thaton the rack, throw my backpack with
my gear on.
I beat feet down the road, goin the trail, I gotta find a tree
where I can kind of hide thatthing and put the cable lock through
it, you know, and then get tomy stand, climb up, get the.
You know, it's like there'slike 50 steps just to hunt.
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And I'm like, God, I rememberthe days I just climbed up a wood
stand and stood there with.
With a bow.
I didn't.
I didn't have a backpack, youknow, I had a grunt call tube in
my freaking right pocket.
I had my release in my leftpocket and.
And that was it.
And the clothes I wore inthere, I didn't have all this fancy
I got now.
And it's like, what happenedto me?
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I used to be so simple and itwas so easy.
Now I'm all complicated and Igot 20 different.
I gotta get my binocular.
Hold on.
I gotta get my binoculars out.
Hold on, wait.
I gotta put the freakingcamera over here.
And then you sit down, right?
You sit down and you're like,ah, I forgot to get that out of the
bag.
You gotta go back.
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And you're just like, youknow, I'm about ready to say this
is, you know, social mediacould go to hell.
I'm about ready to just go back.
To being my own, you know, Ikid you not.
I was.
That Monday when I was gettingready to self film, I literally had.
Was getting everything around,getting ready to climb up the tree.
I'm literally halfway up intothe ladder.
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I'm like, I took all the SDcards out of my cameras.
So what I had to do, walk allthe way back up to the truck, get
my.
My sds, come all the way back,and I'm like, I don't even want to
do this now.
Just look at it.
Just.
It.
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Exactly.
I was like, it.
I'm just gonna sit out herejust for the peace and silence of
it all.
I don't give a.
If anything comes out.
I just want to sit here, cry.
When I was younger, I justwent out here with my bow and just
my dad, and now I'm just outhere and I got like 30.
£30 worth of.
Yep.
And back then, your biggestworry was, do I have a pen?
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Did I forget my knife?
Now it's like, no.
Did I.
Do I have all this other with me?
Forget about it, man.
Exactly.
I think at this point, becauseI'm getting so 32 years old now,
it's like, I gotta put it likea write down a checklist.
All right.
Do I have this?
Yeah.
Do I have that?
Do I have this?
Jeez, man.
I went to the.
I went out one day.
I always kept.
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I had my single cab pickuptruck when I had my Toyota.
And I always put my gun in thegun sock, you know, behind the seat.
So for some reason, I broughtit in.
Must have been to dry it offor something.
I put it in the house.
Going hunting.
See you later.
I get to the spot where I'mgoing, fold the seat.
It's just a gun sock.
I'm like, ah, you ass.
I'm like, well, I got my pistol.
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I guess I'm hunting with that.
So me and my.40 caliberfreaking Smith and Wesson went down
in the woods, and I put myselfagainst the tree, and I sat there.
I'm like, oh, I'm not unarmed.
I still got something on me.
But I'm like, you idiot.
How the hell did you forgetthe gun?
You know, but it's justbecause you're out of habit, you
know, you got everything.
So now.
Now what I'm doing since I gotthe camper, every time I come in
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the house, she's cookingsomething or whatever or, you know,
just so many smells.
And I come up to my.
This room here where I do thepodcast, and I always shut the door,
and I make sure everything'skind of, you know, like, sprayed
a room with some earth scent.
Not doing that this year.
I found a good use for the camper.
Besides, the one time I got touse it with Frank this year, that's
my scent locker.
There's nothing going on in there.
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So I just go out to the camperin the morning, I throw my hunting
clothes on.
But there's another step.
You know, it's like when I getdone doing my freaking liberty thing
in the morning, I go, okay, goto the camper, clothes on.
Okay.
Come back to the house.
Get your drink or somethingthat you're going to take in the
woods with you.
Okay.
Now get in the truck.
So many.
It's like so many freaking steps.
It's just like, oh, you know,I. I just like.
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I hate it anymore.
I just want to freaking be simple.
Screw it.
There's just too much going on.
Well, guys, it's.
Anything else you want to say before?
Well, you guys have your ownshow this week, so.
Yes, we do.
Yeah, you're just coming up on Tuesday.
Is there anything you want tosay on our show here, the little
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old Whitetail Vanish show?
Like what?
Yeah, I don't know.
Asking you, is there any lastwords basically that you want to
say?
Yeah, the last words I want tosay is good night.
I'm tired and I want to go to bed.
I can tell you've been crankyall day.
Listen, Guinea, I. I getfreaking my guinea up and forget
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it.
When I get angry, I'm pissedoff at everything, and then I'm like
a steamroller.
I don't stop for nothing.
We'll end it on your prayer.
Then we'll do this.
Let's try.
Let's pray.
That's the best thing we can do.
Well, everyone, that's goingto conclude another episode of the
Whitetail Advantage podcast.
I want to say thank you toeveryone that's tuned into the show.
Don't forget our schedule forthe live shows in October through
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December.
We only do them on Sundays.
Make sure to stay up on ourwebsite, on the calendar to make
sure when we are doing ourlive shows, we do try to put our
future shows out there on ourYouTube live subsection there.
So stay tuned on that.
Look forward to the FranklinSquatch show every other Tuesday
in October through December.
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Mysteries of the Timbers.
That one's going to bestarting up next Tuesday, the following
next Tuesday on the 28th, Ibelieve it is.
Oh, that being said, Frank,how can they find you?
So you can find me atBroadside Ambush on Instagram.
Underscore Franklin.
You also find me here.
Whitetail Advantage, BoondocksHunting, Garden State Outdoorsman.
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And you can find me on FrankMystica on Facebook.
Squats.
I'm a little bit everywhere.
You're everywhere.
You got your little hands into everything.
That's it.
And if you guys don't know theoutro already, I mean, where the
have you been?
Really?
Yeah.
You guys know.
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You guys know what this showis about?
There we go.
Just gonna leave it there.
Watch.
Yeah, you guys all know, man.
Here, there and everywhere.
You can find me on everything.
But we're gonna close outtonight like we do at every show.
Let's.
Let's thank our creator, ourLord God.
Through the trials andtribulations, God, that you put us
through, we know that you'rein control.
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We just ask that your faceshine down upon us.
Bless us, Lord.
Keep us safe.
Most of all, let us learn fromyou, God.
Let us know that you are theone in control.
We ask for forgiveness andblessings, God, in your mighty name.
In Jesus we pray.
Amen.
Shoot straight.
God bless.
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Whitetail Advantage is out.
Thank you for.
For tuning in to anotherepisode of the Whitetail Advantage
podcast.
We hope you enjoyed the show,and we will see you next time.
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with your host,
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
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What is up everyone out there?
Man, it feels weird to be backhaving our shows again.
It does, man.
I didn't, we didn't have ashow last week because, man, I was
just out of it.
Like I had to fever.
Like it was getting up intothe hundreds and then it was weird
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because it was like coming andgoing too be like a good stretch
of like four to five hours.
I'd feel fine and have like atemperature of like 98 something
or 99.
And next I know I'm headed tomy hunting property and it turns
into like 101 and I'm like,what the just happened?
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It was just a chaotic night.
And then my daughter's sick,my son was sick.
It's just, man, like, man, youcan't just.
You got germ factories.
That time of year, man.
They, they put it through theschool, school districts just to
infect everybody with crap.
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You know, make you takeviruses and take those pills and
injections.
Injection, take all thoseshots, everything.
I do have a lot of things Iwant to say though on tonight's show
and I'm just going to startoff with here I've been trying to
figure out how I want to start off.
I said, but I'm just going tosay this.
I.
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So you work with one group ofa gender and it's like working with
a bunch of toddlers.
I swear to God.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I used to work with all menand not.
It wasn't because of grind oranything like that.
No, it wasn't because of that.
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It's just.
Yeah.
Oh my God, I'm just getting sotired of it.
Of all the childlike behaviorand like that.
I'm tired of it all.
So that's my.
One of my rants.
But no, the team knows.
Nobody else knows.
It's nothing I'm going to be posting.
I didn't actually take anyphotos or anything like that.
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I was recording.
But I'm not going to beputting this on the Internet.
Last Thursday, I shot my first dough.
I harvested my first stove andit's nothing to be.
I'm happy in the sense of I was.
I still don't know how I'mhappy about it.
It's not like where we talkabout, oh, you shot a buck.
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Oh, it was only a sport.
A spike or a 4.4point for you.
You should be proud of it.
But other people aren't.
You know, it's.
It's not like that type of conversation.
It was.
It was.
I think it.
I'll just say this.
I thought the dough was alittle bit bigger than what it was.
I just got so caught up in thesituation of I see a doe finally
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coming.
By itself, it fit all thecriteria of what I thought needed
to be for the dough, forfamily rules and stuff like that.
To shoot the dough.
I saw it at 21 yards and at ashot at 21 yards.
It was kind of coring towardsme a little bit, in a sense, But
I still could feel.
It felt like I could pull theshot off and execute the shot.
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However, I still am just kindof playing back through my mind of
what exactly happened, how it happened.
Still torn up about it.
But the arrow went through the.
The nose, like, nose, moutharea right there.
And then a bunch of floppingaround happened, like, started happening.
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So it went into oh mode to me mode.
And I had to figure out what Ineeded to do next.
On top of.
So we all know I left lawenforcement ptsd.
And I'm not using that excuse,but that kind of kicked in moments
of that.
But it was just pure, oh, I up.
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I can't believe I let this happen.
And I was finally able toafter about 10, 15 minutes, I was
finally able to get the doeinto a position where I can try to
get another arrow through herlungs or.
Or just something just in thevital organ area to try to knock
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the.
To get the dough to pass away.
And it's still something I was.
Like I said I was finally ableto do was an emotional ride for me.
It's still an emotional ridefor me.
Sorry, I still have a bit of a cough.
But no, it's something that Istill regret it happened.
I know things is this is bow hunting.
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My dad told me you basicallysaid you gotta suck it the fuck up.
I agree with him, and I don'tagree with him to an extent.
This is bow hunting.
Shit.
Like, this is going to fucking happen.
And this is my first.
And I've shot deer and I'vetracked them and I just never found
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them.
However, this was one where itwas like, oh, shit it.
This is like happening righthere in front of my eyes.
And to see the placement ofthe arrow on top of it all, I think
was more of a oh moment.
And just to kind of see thedoe suffer like that is something
that all of us as huntersdon't want to happen.
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And it unfortunately happenedto me.
But I think I let the.
I don't know the term I wantto use, but I let the essence of
not shooting a good a doe getto me, and I think that's what kind
of motivated me more to shootthis doe.
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And I'm still extremelyregretful to this moment of how everything
transpired with this doe, andjust been praying ever since then.
There's just, hopefully, Godforgives me, the dough forgives me.
We all know that's not ourintent for that to happen, but at
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the end of the day, sometimessome of this shit will happen.
And that's kind of the placewhere I'm at right now.
There's a lot of backgroundnoise here.
Brett, Sorry to interrupt.
A lot of background noise.
Yeah.
Really?
It's not me.
I muted my mic, so it's not me.
Yep.
It's Frank's.
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Yeah, it's Frank.
It's picking up.
Sorry.
It sounds like it's picking upa little guy somewhere.
Probably he's upstairs.
So what I'll do is I'll keepmy muted until I'm gonna say something.
How's that sound?
You're good, bro.
All right.
But, yeah, that's just kind ofthe moment where I'm at right now
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there.
I'm not gonna lie.
There were moments where Ithought about, I'm just gonna put
the bow down forever.
I don't want this to happen again.
But I took some time to prayon it, and God already took one of
my lifelong dreams of becominga cop.
He I let the devil take thataway from me, But I'm sure as ain't
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gonna let him take huntingaway from me.
And it's still something thathaunts me.
It's something I'm stilltrying to find ways to make it up
to that dough, make it up to God.
It's something I still.
Like I said, this happened onThursday, so it's still a little
fresh with me.
Little bit raw.
But again, as we said, neversay never, especially in bow hunting.
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But this is bow hunting.
Yeah, dad from it, overcomeit, move on and try to figure out
what went wrong.
And I will continue to try andfind ways to make it up to this doe
that happened to me and honorher and all my hunts moving forward.
And one thing that reallypisses me off is when you.
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When I see people out therethat comment, oh, you don't care
about these deer, and you'reout there just murdering these deer.
I'm not trying to.
But use me as.
As an example of, like, I, I,I. I kid you not.
I was in legit tears when thisshit was fucking happening.
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Of just pure regret of what I did.
And to see like theseorganizations out there, like call
us hunters out of.
You're just doing this for murder.
You're doing this to go outthere and kill these innocent animals.
You have no feelings oranything towards them.
I'm living proof that that'snot the case.
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Now there are probably somehunters out there can say all.
There are probably a handfulof hunters out there that go out
there just to shoot the deerand have no heart or soul or feelings
or anything about the situation.
But the other 98% of huntersfeel the exact same way I do about
deer.
And they would feel somewhatin the same regards of how I felt
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in the situation that I'mcurrently in right now.
But with that being said, I'mjust going to leave it there.
Yeah, no, I. I feel for you,Brett, man.
I mean, I know you took itreally hard and you know, us as a
team, we all try to supportyou as.
As best as we can because, youknow, we've all been in the same
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situation.
It sucks.
And, you know, I mean, I'vebeen through it multiple times.
So I felt your pain.
I felt horrible.
And that's why I was like,hey, man, if you need anything, like,
I'm here for you.
I mean, it just, you know,really hits home and it sucks.
And I, you know, I feel badthat you had to go through it.
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I kind of went throughsomething a little.
A little similar on Mondaynight here in Jersey, actually.
The weather was.
And.
But I still went out for bear.
I didn't go out in themorning, but in the afternoon it
kind of.
The light.
The rain and everything kindof lightened up and everything.
So I went to one of my spotswhere I knew I was seeing, you know,
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some.
A de.
A decent amount of bears.
And wouldn't you know it, I'msitting there, you know, talking
to Squatch, texting him.
He's like, tonight's going tobe the night, brother.
I feel it.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I mean, it must have been,what, 45 minutes?
An hour later.
Yeah, I. I look over andhere's, you know, a beautiful, you
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know, s. She was coming rightfor me.
She snuck up on me.
It was like 25 yards and she was.
She was facing me.
So I didn't.
I didn't take the shot.
I waited because I wasn't sure what.
What exactly she was going to do.
And I was like, well, I'm justgoing to let her get closer the closer
the better.
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And she ended up going backand forth, back and forth.
And I got one of those.
The adjustable single pin sights.
So I'm like to try to make themost ethical shot.
Especially like it not onlybeing a bear, but just as being a
hunter.
I kept range find their rangefinding this because I had plenty
of time to do so.
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And she actually turned to leave.
And when she was leaving, Irange find that.
And for some reason I realizedafter the fact I put my.
I just did my pin to 30 andshe was only like 27 yards.
But she squatched all the video.
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She ducked.
Yeah.
She dropped about 6 inches.
Yep.
As soon as.
Right about as soon as Irelease and I touched off.
It was just about to hit her.
She like.
Squatch said she droppedprobably about six inches.
Hit her on top of the back.
Barely any penetration.
But watching her run away withmy arrow and everything, I'm like,
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oh my God.
Like you know, I'm likesending the video Squatch.
I'm like, what do I do?
Like, you know, like I'm likeI. I just.
I don't know.
I'm at a loss.
So we figured the most safething to do is for me to just back
out.
Don't go look for her becauseshe's already wounded and she's going
to be pissed.
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So he's like just, just backout, go in the morning.
Ended up going in the morning.
Didn't find not a drop ofblood, no arrow, nothing.
Come to find out, like threedays later, I got her on camera.
She's got a big scar on her back.
You know, looks.
I mean she looks fine.
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But you know, to put herthrough that and even to put myself
through that because, I mean,Squatch nose.
I was losing all kind of like,you know, like confidence and everything,
you know.
I ended up harvesting a bear.
Thursday morning, A nice onecame in, ended up harvesting it.
It was only that.
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That was like a 15 yard shot.
So that kind of boosted up my confidence.
I had to get back out thereand do it.
But I mean, for that, thatfirst couple days, man, it was like
I was second guessing everything.
And I mean Squatch would tellyou I was.
I was guessing the braw headsof this, the that, you know, it was
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just.
Just one of those things, man.
It sucks.
So I could feel for you.
I mean, I know my situation isa little different, but it still
didn't feel as good, you know.
So I feel for you, brother.
It's weird how you kind of anFYI Frank, your video like froze
of you looking like you'rejerking off something.
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Of course, of course it wouldbe mine that does that.
No, he's got the typicalItalian like, hey, what are you doing
over there?
Things not working?
Isn't it weird?
And I actually, I'll say this too.
It was.
I want to say it was threeyears ago at this point now, three
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or four.
But I was out hunting.
And I'll say this quick.
I was shooting at this.
This buck, ranged him at 35 yards.
And I'm perfect at 35.
And right as I hit, because atthat time, I was using an index finger
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release, not the thumb release.
Yeah, I hit the release buttonon it.
Literally, as I was doing it,he turned slightly, so the arrow
skid off of him and justmissed and he ran off.
I was like, what the just happened?
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And then I replay it back my mind.
Oh, he moved at the last second.
And then it was like a weeklater I saw him on camera and I was
like, oh, all right, he'sstill alive.
Well, he's looking great.
Then he turns and you couldsee like a fucking mile long scar
on his back.
And he had like this giantpuss sack thing on his shoulder.
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And I was like, fuck me, man.
Now, you can, obviously, inthose type of situations, like we
said all the time, this is boating.
You can't predict everything.
We want the broadside shotperfect right there.
The quote, unquote, we wantthat layup shot every time.
That's not gonna happen every time.
It's this.
This is bow hunting.
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This is hunting.
Even with you take a gun outthere and stuff like that.
But it's weird how Frank saidsomething after he.
When he shot.
When he shot that deer.
You start second guessingbasically everything on your bow.
I started guessing the same thing.
It's weird how the entirelength of the off season, like, I
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got this.
I got this.
I'm proud of it.
I'm 100 behind it.
100.
I'm behind it 100%.
But the mo.
And even if you go out thereand you shoot a world class dough,
a world class buck, andeverything goes perfect, you're still
not gonna second guess it.
But the moment a bad shothappens or just some.
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Anything bad happens with abad shot, you start second guessing
everything, literallyeverything from.
From the broadhead that you.
You believe is the number onebroadhead on the market and it's
yours.
Something goes bad.
Oh, it's gotta be the broadhead.
Oh, it's my.
It's my site.
What the fuck happened with my site?
It wasn't moved or up or downor something like this.
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And it would had to be theleveling or some on that.
Oh, it's my release.
Some reason happened like this maybe.
I don't know.
This really sucks.
I gotta go buy a new one.
It's just weird how thattranspires and I think it's.
And I'm not.
Maybe it's.
As hunters, we're trying tofind an excuse because we don't want
to accept the, the thought ofI just made a bad shot on this deer.
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All right?
So I'm going to speak my pieceon this whole thing that happened.
Let's be in agreement on onething right from the start.
Your life, things that arehappened in it is all written as
a script in the book, okay?
From before you're even born,your whole life is in pages, okay?
So you're gonna have good,you're gonna have bad, you're gonna
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have ugly.
It's all written in the book.
It's that chapter.
You got the chapter 31, wheretoday you're going to learn a valuable
lesson on how hard it is tobecome a hunter.
And you're going to have todeal with things in the woods that
you don't want to see.
It's just like when somebodybecomes an EMT and they have to go
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to their first car wreck anddig somebody out that's in pieces.
Okay?
Yeah.
We all know that that person'sgonna have to deal with that sooner
or later.
It's the same thing in thedeer woods.
Not every kill is a quick,clean kill.
Death is death, whether it'sfast, whether it's slow.
That was the day and that'show it was written.
I've wounded countless deerover the years.
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I. I hate the fact that's everhappened to an innocent animal.
I hate the fact that I had towatch that picture over and over
in my head.
Why it happens, I don't know.
Why do babies have cancer?
Why do innocent people die?
I don't know.
It's written in the book.
We are dealt that book andthat's what we have to deal with
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every day.
Okay?
So that's the circumstancewhen you have an unfortunate thing
happen to you.
You got to chalk it up and yougot to say, well, I'm still here.
Yes, I learned something outof this and I need to not look back
now.
I need to move forward.
Okay?
I shot probably a New Yorkstate record buck when I was about
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23, 24 years old with a 30 odd six.
That wasn't my gun, it jammed up.
The buck was beautiful.
I almost quit hunting that day.
I saw him one more time afterthat and I couldn't shoot at him
because there was a house inthe way.
Up until that point, I hadalways been a successful hunter.
I never missed, I always killed.
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I killed plenty.
Probably at that time of my life.
I had a hundred deer under my belt.
To have that happen to me wasthe biggest kick in the balls you
could ever feel.
And it was a monster, I'mtelling you.
It looked like something outof like, you know, real tree on these
farms.
This thing was a huge, huge buck.
A good friend of mine was with me.
He could even contest to thefact because he thought saw it stand
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up behind me when we werelooking for that deer.
I looked for a week straightfor that animal.
I couldn't find it.
I heard rumors it was stillalive the next year after a guy I
know saw it.
I sat there and I said tomyself, that's it, I'm done.
I can't kill a deer with a 30odd six rifle at 20 yards.
What's wrong with me?
And it hit, hit, hit hard.
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And you know, it checks your ego.
And there's been many moreafter that, many more.
There's been things that happen.
I can't even explain why ananimal suffered.
I hit a deer with themuzzleloader up here about three
years ago in the middle of asnowstorm and I, I blew its vitals
clean out with a.45 caliber slug.
That effing deer went like twomiles through the orchard, right?
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The only thing that made mefind her was the fresh tracks in
the snow and like 25 otherdeer tracks that I had to decipher.
Her hoof was dragging a littlebit because I caught her in the opposite
shoulder.
I found that deer six hourslater at 2 o' clock in the morning,
freezing my balls off out inthat orchard.
And I had to put her out witha pistol right to the back of the
head.
Okay?
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Talk about having respect andhaving to feel remorse.
But I couldn't let her laythere and die.
I had to put her down.
And you know, it's that lastmoment, it's squeezing the trigger.
It's something point blank andit's looking at you and you have
to put it down.
That's what makes men.
Men and boys.
Boys.
You gotta chalk it up.
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You gotta say, this is what Ihave to do.
Unfortunately, this is part ofhunting sometimes.
This is what God dealt metoday to deal with.
It was written in the bookfrom the start to the finish.
That animal was meant to die today.
If it wasn't, God wouldn'thave put it in front of me.
Everything is because andalways will be what God dictates
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for us to endure.
If you think anything less,you don't have faith.
And that's the best way that Icould put it.
And that's how you decipherand you get over these things that
you don't want to see, thatyou don't want to endure, and that
you don't want to have to deal with.
And yes, you always strive tomake the absolute best ethical shot
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possible.
Things will happen.
They won't stop.
It's going to happen again.
But you've got that experiencenow under your belt.
You did the right thing.
I told you sin was dealt withon the cross.
If you comm.
If you think that was a sin,what you did, it's not.
But sin's been dealt with onthe cross.
You don't have to worry about that.
You were remorseful to that animal.
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You said a prayer for that animal.
That's it.
That's the end of it.
There's no more.
The next time you go out andhunt, you start with a fresh pallet.
You say, I'm going to killthis animal quickestly and most ethically
as I can.
And I'm a good hunter, and I'mgoing to keep this going, and I'm
not giving up.
And that's the best way I cantell anybody that's been in that
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situation.
And I'm preaching to myselfhow to deal with it.
Remember, everything is in thebook of how it goes down.
Someday we're going to die.
We don't know how we're goingto die, but we're going to have to
deal with it.
So that's all I got to say on that.
No, you're right.
Yeah.
I mean, and I'm rough.
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I'm sorry.
I tell it like it is.
I'm old school.
I had to.
I had to.
I have to tell it like it is.
And.
And, you know, believe me, Iwill cry over a deer.
I don't think.
Actually, I don't thinkthere's one deer on the wall back
there that I didn't shed atear for.
That big bastard over there,my big guy.
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I scream and yelled for 10minutes that I was the king of the
woods because everybody wasafter him and I got him.
And you know, that.
That, like, that overwhelming.
I mean, God, I had arelationship with this deer and I
just killed him.
It's like shooting.
You know, you don't want tokill something that you love, but
you.
You know, you're after him.
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That's the whole part of the game.
I'm after that deer to killthat deer.
Mayor to take his life.
Not there to take pictures of them.
I'm there to kill that deer.
That's the one I want on the wall.
I want him.
And when things happen, youknow what?
You got to roll with it.
You make every effort possibleto go find that deer.
If you get a bad shot, you getsomebody in with a dog or a drone
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or whatever, get your buddiestogether, you.
You make that.
Because then at night, you cansay to yourself, look, this sucks.
I did all I could.
I guess it's just not meant to be.
Lord, I guess I. I'm not ableto get this deer down.
I'm not able to get him.
Why.
Maybe you figure he's neededsomewhere else or.
I had to learn something fromthis, and that's the best thing I
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can tell you guys.
Yeah, that's one.
Excuse me.
I'm still going through a cop.
No, that's like one of the topthing that I kept thinking to myself
was God's putting me throughthis for a reason.
This.
This was happened.
This.
This was set to happen for a reason.
And what is that reason iswhat I've been trying to wrap my
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head brain.
My head brain around asituation of like, well, what was
one of the reasons for me toget closer to God?
That's most likely one of themain reasons.
And no, you're right.
And I think it's.
I mainly, obviously, we're onhere to provide as much information
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and experience that we canthrough Whitetail Advantage and share
everything for you guys thatlisten and stuff like that.
And I have no problem comingon here and telling you situations
that I've been through or thatI'm currently going through.
For instance, like I am rightnow and my saddle hunting setup.
How I've been going throughwith that.
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It's been a dog show.
I can tell you that.
Ask the guys.
It's been a. Yeah, I guaranteeyou, I bet you they're probably having
their own side conversationwith each other.
Like this guy.
The.
Yeah, I'm going through it.
Last year.
I'm still going through it.
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I just bought that.
I just bought the XOP superfly stand.
Yeah.
To take the place of thesaddle when I'm not using the saddle.
But that, I mean, it's okay.
It's not bad.
It's not like the bigger,comfortable stands.
So I'll say that.
But hey, it's lightweight.
I can get it up and down quick.
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I'm not blowing my knees apartTrying to stand there on the saddle.
It's not like I'm giving up onthe saddle.
I want to use the saddle likewhen I do quick recon missions to
get in.
And, you know, if I think anarea is going to hold the buck good,
I'll get in there and get inthe saddle.
If I start seeing a lot ofdeer activity, Cool.
I'll take the superfly andmove it and put it in there.
Sit a little bit morecomfortable, you know, and be able
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to turn around in the tree anddo my thing Instead of trying to
shoot over my weak side and stuff.
You gotta.
It's all trial like you saw.
I don't know if you saw thepost today.
The eighters that I bought.
I cannot use things.
I can't use them the way they were.
I. I took a let.
My cousin and I were talking,and he said, hey, you know, electrical
conduit.
And I said, you know what?
I was thinking the same damnthing too.
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And I got some 1 inch outthere in the.
In the back of the house fromwhen I was doing my paver job.
And I cut it down.
I cut a slit in it.
I got it down over it.
It rolled a little bit.
I'm like, yeah.
I don't know.
I electric tape the crap outof it.
Yeah.
It's freaking, you know, alittle rough, But I don't care if
it's.
The only thing I'm scaredabout those, though, Free squatch.
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Is because they're cylinder like.
Yep.
Is your foot slipping?
Yep.
Yep.
My foot doesn't slip on themBecause I taped them so they can't
roll.
No.
I'm saying in general, though,like, the actual curvature of it,
though, you know what I'm saying?
It seems okay.
Like I. I climbed up it acouple times already out there.
And not only that, listen, ifI fall, it's four feet.
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I'm.
I'm not up.
I'm not using them up high.
I'm just using them for myfirst base.
Oh, okay.
I'm not.
I'm not up.
I won't use that damn thing.
No way.
Not me.
Maybe.
Maybe 21, not 50.
I ain't going that high withthat thing.
They're my first.
My first four steps.
I figured that.
I figured like that.
But I didn't know if, like,you were using those up there.
No, Hell no.
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No, no, no, no.
Gotcha.
I gotcha.
I was gonna just put themaway, send them out to Dave or somebody
to use, but I said, you knowwhat, Let me see if I can't make
something work out of thatbecause it does get me up about six
feet right off the bat withthe other two steps that are on the
stick.
So I did.
I messed around out here.
It seems pretty good so far.
So like I said, I'm only fourfeet there.
If I slip or something.
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Twisted ankle, whatever.
Michael here commented.
Yeah, he said, what up, Michael?
You're.
You're 12 years old.
You're 13.
Whatever.
I don't give a.
You're a teenager.
Wash your mouth.
That would soap.
Don't use that language onthis show.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, There you go.
Jeez.
Sorry to interrupt you, Squatch.
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He's the asshole.
He needs a.
He needs a good ass whooping,I think you know?
Yes, Frank, have you been apart of the show where you get to
be with.
With Frank, With Michael?
Not yet.
I'm down to do it.
It's all these new generation guys.
Geez, you know, they get afour wheeler and they think they're
freaking superheroes.
You know, they can just dowhatever they want.
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They hit the sense of teenagerand they think their balls dropped.
Yeah, I think he said something.
A little bit of poop here.
Oh, he's 15.
Brett.
He's 15.
Oh, he's 15.
He's the big dog now.
Yeah, he's got those little.
What do they call those littlepieces of hair that come out again?
It's like he's got like peach.
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Yeah, yeah, he's got peachfuzz on his little scrotum balls
down there.
He's like a little spike hornjust wandering the woods aimlessly
rubbing his horns on something.
And he.
Yeah, he's like that onelittle spike deer that walked around.
Oh, there's a doe.
There's another one.
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My ATV is bigger than Brett'slittle ass car.
I drive a truck.
Know your facts before youcome, bro.
I think he's confused with Johnny.
Johnny drives like a.
A Prius or something.
Yeah, that's first.
Geez, I could see Johnny justthrowing a deer on top of his Prius
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hood, driving around.
Yep, Pretty funny, Michael.
You probably could win a dicksucking contest, maybe.
Gun swelling contest.
Oh wait, a boner killing contest.
That's probably something youcould probably win too.
Oh gosh.
You want me to bring your mominto this too?
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Let's bring your mom into this.
She was pretty hot.
Yeah, you don't want to talkabout my mom on the show.
Let's talk about your mom.
I haven't seen pictures ofher, anything.
Let's just say she's a smoke Joe.
I'm gonna bet she's a smoke show.
Nah, I'm not gonna go downthat road.
Oh, there you go.
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Well, I think the, you know,like I said with what you had go
on, it's a sucky thing.
But, you know, everybody,everybody's, you know, I, I've, I,
I don't even want to reiterateon some of the, that I've had to
do to deer, you know, I mean,it's rough, man.
It's, it's.
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You're, you're killing, you'rekilling something.
It's not just hunting.
You're killing, you know, it's you.
Some people, I guess, I don'tknow, some people are just, it's,
it's no different than likewhen guys go to war.
Well, it hits you differently.
And I, I and Dave sent me a, avoice message and I forgot to send
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him a message back.
He said that he's a little itdry cough, man.
He's a little more numb to itbecause of his background and, and
stuff like that.
Because of being in the military.
I have it only because ofbeing in law enforcement.
The things that I've seen.
So trauma that you see isgoing to hit you differently compared
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to another human being.
So for instance, for me, yeah,the trauma that I saw affecting me
and my obviously my mindreally fucking bad now.
My partner that saw thesituation in the same exact cell,
he's still kicking and rockingit and good to go.
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Granted, he's also a marine, so.
But how I see something is myis going to affect me differently
than if Frank and I saw theexact same thing right now.
I might go a little longer.
Frank might go a little longerinto dealing with the process or
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being able to accept it,digest it and move on and that's
it.
Me, on the other hand, I tendto fester in that.
And I think I do it purposelywhere I feel like I need to fester
in it, where it like sinks in more.
But I also think that it'skind of a good thing because you
make sure that like, I do notwant to ever feel that shitty ever
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again.
Like, uhhuh.
But then it's also, you can bein that situation too long where
it's like, oh, now I just feel regret.
And now it's just PTSD type stuff.
But I agree with you with whatyou said squatch of it happened.
I did this for a reason.
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It'll show you the light of why.
And it's nothing to kind ofquote unquote drag your feet through
happened.
Let's move on from it, right?
You didn't mean for it.
Obviously, we all know Ididn't mean for that.
No, I feel terrible about it.
So sitting about it andpouting and playing the pity game
about it ain't gonna changethe fact.
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And I said, and it's weirdbecause I say the same thing to other
people.
Sitting and crying about itain't gonna change the difference,
the outcome of it.
No, no.
Now you're just playing thepity party.
For myself.
Right?
For yourself, I mean.
Right?
And now it's like I gotta takemy own words of advice that I would
say to somebody else.
So I think after today it'sgoing to be like, all right, game
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back on.
We gotta move on.
Accept it and overcome.
Move on.
Like I just said, sittingabout it ain't gonna make a difference.
It happened.
It sucks.
And every one of us huntersout there and I would fight this
to the tooth and nail.
Hey, I gotta get drink.
Otherwise dry cough, man.
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I swear I haven't beenswallowing a lot of cum lately.
Maybe that might be why.
Maybe we go out there and wewant the quote unquote story book
type shot broadside.
They're looking away.
They're clueless that you'reeven there.
It's 20 yard shot.
Boom.
You hit them through bothlungs and the liver right there through
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all the organs.
They run 20 yards and pass away.
Boom.
That's this, that's thestorybook thing.
Right?
But does that happen like 1%of the time?
Nope.
I've hit them from everythingwith high powered rifles to freaking,
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you name it.
And I've seen every variablethere is to see it.
It just, it's like I said,dude, you.
Sometimes you can't make the up.
It's.
It's already written down.
It's.
It's.
You know, when I, When I getthat feeling like I, you know, when
I'm trailing a deer and it'sstarting to like, not look good.
And I'm like, yep, I knowwhere this is going.
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So, you know, and it's.
But still, I don't give up.
I mean, I make every damn attempt.
Even afterwards, you know, Igo back out.
I mean, even Frank last yearwe both had instances.
You know, we're.
We're showing our gridpatterns on Onyx and I mean, you
can see there's not even a Gapbetween the lines where you're going
back and forth.
You might be on your hands andknees and stuff.
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But you know what?
I owe it to that animal.
You know, I owe it to that animal.
I'm not going to just say, youknow, and plus, I'm dying to know
what happened.
What.
Why didn't it kill the deer?
Why didn't I hit him where Ithought was a good shot, you know,
or whatever.
And you, you just.
I mean, I, like I've said, I.I've got pictures.
I mean, pictures of deer thatI've shot and found the next day.
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Through the vitals, throughthe heart, through the liver.
I mean, God.
We walk up on a dough that Ishot with my.35 quartering away from
me.
I blew its liver out its sideof it, and it ran, oh, man, five,
600 yards and was like, curledup like a dog and looking at us.
We almost walked by it.
And my son's girlfriend waslike, hey, that there's a deer right
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there.
I said, why don't you saysomething sooner?
Well, I didn't want to spook you.
I'm like, that's her.
And I, you know, I had to walkup and put the deer down.
But when we got over to theliver, the liver, intestines, part
of the spleen, a big holehanging out the side of the deer.
I.
How do they live?
If you shot somebody, they'dbe done in a second, you know, God
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forbid.
I'm just saying.
But you're right.
It's weird how you see thosetrail camera photos and you just
see deer with like.
I think I saw this one photo.
This one deer had like threearrows through him, and he's still
walking around alive.
I'm like, yeah, the.
Do these things live?
I don't know.
I know it's crazy.
They're tanks out there.
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We shot, I told you, I thinkthis story, that nine pointer we
shot over, I hit him fivetimes with a.35.
My neighbor shot him twice inthe throat, in the neck with a.270
at like 25 yards.
The first shot, the deer hitthe ground.
He went, yeah, because he washappy that it went down finally.
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And then it stood back up andhe shot it again with a.270.
And I had holes in it with the 35.
We counted them and I, Ilooked at him and I said, I, I, you
know, I don't know how they do it.
I don't know what these thingsare made of.
I don't, I don't know how theycan endure it.
I really don't know how theycan endure it.
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It's.
They're incredible animals.
And that's why, you know, wehave such an appreciation towards
these animals on how toughthey are.
Then again, I've pulled up andpancaked him and like, all right,
cool.
It's down.
Great.
He didn't feel nothing.
I'm happy.
I don't even have to go track it.
It's laying right there.
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There's times like that andthere's times like, okay, I don't
get it.
Why isn't he dead?
You know, And I told him.
I told you guys.
I told you guys that story too.
I shot a deer with the bowquartering away from me.
Arrow disappeared all the wayup to the fletchings.
Couldn't understand it.
Deer search came three weeks later.
That deer walked back to me inthe same stand and I killed it with
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my 257 Roberts.
And my arrow was still in it.
Why?
Because God said, follow me.
Put me first.
All your trophies will follow.
And it was there.
It happened.
So that's why I said, don't.
You can't.
You know, it's just likesomebody saying, well, I was born
a boy, but I. I'm really a girl.
Are you saying that God makes mistakes?
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God don't make mistakes.
He made you who you are.
Accept it.
It's the same thing, you know,with hunting.
It's the same.
You got to accept thesituations that come your way.
It was written in the quote,meant to be.
There's this quote that I know and.
Yes, Michael, Ask your fucking question.
You don't have to say, I got a question.
It's like you saying, I raiseyour hand.
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I got a question.
They called me in preschool.
Answer.
Just ask the question.
Can we consider a hunter sincehe hasn't even killed a doe in his
life.
What have you been talkingabout, Michael?
Yeah.
To the story, tonight's show.
Yeah, put down, put down yourInstagram and your, you know, Facebook
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and pay attention to the show.
We're talking about the doughthat Brett shot.
Yeah.
There's a quote in a movie from.
What's the name of the movie?
When the Game Stands Tall.
It's a very Christian based,football based movie.
It's considered better thanthe movie Friday Night Lights.
Okay?
In it, a character dies in.
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The movie's based on a reallife movie, real life events.
I can't remember his name.
Ryan.
Ryan.
Something died.
And the head coach goes to thefuneral and says for us to ask why
is to question yourbenevolence, the God, the almighty
creator.
And if we are to do that, wecan't consider ourselves Christians,
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if we are to do that.
So I thought that that hit home.
I saw that when the movie cameout and that, that hit me, that moment
when that happened of why,why, why, why?
And I started saying like,well, to ask why is like what you
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just said is why.
Are you questioning me?
Why are you.
Do you think I made a mistake?
Are you questioning me thatGod, the almighty creator?
And I was like, no, I'm not.
I'm just questioning of why the.
Is this just generallyhappening and what is the reasoning
behind this?
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Well, and I think that was allkind of put to it.
Yeah.
But no, we're going to beopen, transparent with everyone out
there.
At least I am with you guys.
I know everyone on the team.
We're going to shareeverything that we go through.
We have nothing to hide.
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We're just honest, normalguys, man.
We want you guys to learnfrom, learn from what we go through
so that way you can.
That's why we.
I created Whitetail Advantagejust to share these stories and this,
share these memories.
Because what I might be goingthrough, you just.
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Let's take a second, take itback, take back a second, Go through
Instagram, we go throughFacebook, Facebook pages of places
that you.
Top places you hunt, like topcontent creators that you like.
You go through there andyou're just thinking, oh, look at
them shoot the, this giantworld class buck.
Look at that, look at that.
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You don't really know them oranything like that.
And that's why we do theselive shows.
You get to interact with us.
You're gonna.
With you just like you with us.
And you listen to these onthe, on the audio version, you're
getting who we are.
Yeah.
So you get.
We want you guys to know whowe are.
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And this isn't just a smokeshow up here that we're doing right?
No, we are giving you piecesof who the we are, what we've gone
through and stuff like that.
And I'm not gonna come outhere and just show like, look at
all these big magnificentbucks I've shot.
No, I haven't even hunted outof the state of Michigan yet.
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Yeah, you're gonna, you'regonna learn from our experiences
and we want you to take fromit what you need.
Like for instance, I'm justgonna say this real quick because
we're getting ready to roundup for tonight's show.
My saddle hunting set up forhunting this year and how that train's
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been going.
Like we said earlier, it'sbeen a show.
I can say that.
It has been an easy one.
No, and it's been more of likea comic book type thing.
I think one of my otherbuddies that was out there hunting,
he watched me set up in mysaddle and eventually, long story
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short, I finally get up in the tree.
It's six o'.
Clock.
I'm hunting a food plot.
And I'm not even facing thefucking food plot.
I'm facing more in the wood.
Like here.
The.
The.
The food source that I'mtrying to hunt on is literally right
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here.
Yeah.
To the left of me.
Yeah.
And instead of like kind offacing the actual food pot or just
kind of being more quarteringoff of it.
No, my ass somehow sets up towhere I'm facing the woods, where
there's like, nothing.
It was just bad.
And then I look at my.
I look at my text message andmy buddy said, hey, you do realize
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I'm like five yards in frontof you.
I watched that entire train wreck.
I said, I can't see you.
So you're hidden very well,and I'm sorry you had to watch that.
Yeah, it's.
It's funny because you,you're, you know, being right handed.
You want to make sure that yougot your platform on your easy, on
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your strong side.
So then you got to figure out,okay, my stick's got to be here.
I'm going to step onto myplatform here at like, say 9 o'.
Clock.
If I'm looking at the tree,you know, you got to visualize your
whole setup before youactually get up there and do it.
Because you'll get up thereand do it and you're like, oh, what
the piss did I do?
I'm looking the wrong way, you know.
Yeah.
And it's happy.
You know, when I first startedout with it too, it's happened.
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I'm.
I'm no pro with that.
I only started it last year,but, you know, just finding little
different things that work for you.
Yeah.
You know, it's like anything.
The more you do it, the easierit becomes.
Yeah.
You know, you can practice allyou want, really, out in your backyard,
but, you know, it's differentthan you got a headlamp on.
You're putting stuff on a treeand you're trying to get up and figure
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out where you're going.
And, you know, eventuallyit'll be old hat.
You'll be like, oh, geez.
I remember I used to strugglewith trying to get this up here and
doing that, or how you.
How you toe kick in your standto get it to lock down better or,
you know, like, maybesomething you do with your lineman's
belt to make like.
Like, for instance, I was outwith Frank.
We were.
We were on the property.
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And of course, from last year,I totally forgot I wanted an eighter
for my lineman's belt becauseI had the stupid Prusik knot that
won't move with one hand.
And you got an arm around the tree.
You're trying to wiggle thisdamn thing with one hand, and I'm
like, aha, Gotta get the eight.
Or I look over at his beltwhen he was setting up.
I'm like, you already got that?
And he's like, yeah, I did itlast year.
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I'm like, I wanted to, but I forgot.
So.
Yep, you know, having thateight or on there, I mean, there's
a little trick right there.
It just makes it much easier.
You just pull the rope or pullyour release back and, you know,
it's.
It's.
It's awesome.
It just works.
Helps you out, you know,working things better.
So now with having that XOPstand, there's no more saddle set
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up.
So now I got the safety beltthat's really nice that they gave
you that has a lineman's belt,but that's got a different carabiner
than, like, I'm used to the aluminum.
This one's more steel.
It's heavier.
So now I'm fumbling aroundwith that, trying to put that through
my safety loop, but I got it,you know, and it's okay.
It's the same thing, but it'sa little different.
So it's all a little.
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You know what?
Just get out there.
The biggest thing is just getout there and figure it and freak
out.
Who cares?
You know, what's that?
You're gonna learn it.
Start somewhere.
You know, the squirrels aregonna laugh at you.
And when you're.
You're up to tree the wrongway, but as long as you're right
side up, you're doingsomething right.
Yeah, I agree.
And just.
Just start practicing withwhat you got.
And obviously, if you.
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I didn't.
Wasn't.
I got my saddle just a coupleweeks before hunting season started,
so I didn't have time topractice a whole lot with actual
gear.
I wanted to practice more ofjust kind of getting up and down
the tree because I was fear of heights.
But if you have the ability topractice well in advance before hunting
season, do it and if you have the.
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The honor of being able tohunt on private property, go pick
your trees out, get all yourstuff set up.
Bam.
Good to go right there andfind way to cut weight.
Because I'll tell you this.
Yep.
We are partnered with xop.
Yep.
Their edge platform is a greatplatform, but it's a great platform
if you're going to keep it inthe tree.
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Not one that's going to bemobile and you're going to be walking
and walking, wanting to walkmile plus that thing was going to
hold.
Carry you down.
Yep.
And their orbit things, that's.
Those are great if you'regoing to keep them in the tree.
But it's an actual ratchetstrap, so that part's allowed itself
and it's heavy and they'revery loosey.
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So they're going to fall outand stuff.
Yeah.
So find ways to get as muchweight as possible and stuff like
that.
You have any questions oranything like that, obviously I'll
help you, give you the advicethat I have currently to the point.
Yeah.
And you might want to ask me,like, I might not know the best like
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gear out there, but I'm goingto tell you my situation because
I'm currently going throughthat right now.
All right.
Squatch and Frank, they kind of.
They've got at least a yearexperience to one of their belts.
I'm still learning.
I'm still learning.
They're gonna still be goodpeople to ask.
I mean, we all go through.
We pick up like I pick upstuff from Frank or.
Yeah.
Stuff I see on, you know, justwatching a hunting show sometimes
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you'd be like, oh, that'spretty cool.
How he did that.
I like.
So here you go.
Right.
I don't want to spend a ton of.
Ton of money on camera arms.
I'm a cheap ass.
Okay, so what did I do?
I bought the easy hanger withthe three arms that kind of fold
in on each other.
And I have like this C clampmount that I can clamp to that arm
and then put my insta360 ontop of it and I can move it around
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and pan it around.
It works just like one ofthose arms.
It's quiet.
Don't jerk.
It's, you know what?
And it was freaking 19.99versus, you know, 200 and 400 and
whatever dollars those arms are.
Yeah.
And it also doubles as abinocular hanger plus my camera arm,
plus whatever.
And you've seen my setup withmy carabiner when I'm in the Saddle.
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I just clamp that clamp on there.
That camera follows meeverywhere I go.
If I pan this way, pan thatway, it's with me, it's moving around.
I don't need no fancy arm whenI'm in the saddle, you know, and
I'm.
Listen, I'm not putting outmovie production here.
I'm just trying to get thekill shot so you guys can watch it
and whatever and whatnot andbe proud that I did something.
But, but like I said, youknow, the other day, I was like,
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I'll take that little hangerarm with me.
I could put the clamp on thereand my camera set right up.
Dude.
Works perfect in 1999.
Hello, Flavors of the forest.
I see you on there.
Yeah, listen, you can't beatit because even, even with those
camera arms, like I have thefourth arrow on which Scott, you've
seen it before and it's full stuff.
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But sometimes, I mean, I'll behonest with you, sometimes it's a
pain in the ass just trying tostuff in the book bag and then you
got other.
You're trying to put in thereand like so much turn it.
It's nice.
If you're gonna go somewhereand leave it, like with me having
private property, if I knowI'm going to hunt the same spot.
I mean squatching those.
There's days I'll leave mysaddle in there a couple days, the
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camera arm in it, everything.
All I gotta do is just gothere, climb up.
I'm done.
But I mean, I remember when Ifirst got it going in, I was like,
God damn, now I gotta put thecamera arm on.
I'm trying to throw the strap around.
I'm like, oh.
I'm trying to get set up.
I'm like, oh, yep, the bowhanger, I'm trying to do that.
I'm like, oh.
So a lot of gear.
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Lot of gear.
A lot of gear.
And having a good backpack is.
Yeah, a good starting pointbecause I have a good backpack.
But I'm looking at it.
I'm trying to find a new onebecause there's a lot of gear that
I'm bringing out because like,I think it was Monday I was finally
able to start self filming myself.
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I was like, I don't even wantto get up in my saddle because I'm
still like coming back.
I'm getting off my fever.
I'm getting off being sick.
I just want to get up in oneof my 360s.
But I got up in my 360 and Iwas Like, I gotta get this camera
angle right here for thislittle GoPro.
Then I gotta get all thisstuff set up for my other.
My main GoPro threat.
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I'm not even done getting upmy bow yet and getting that all set
up and getting my backpack offall here and there.
And I'm like, okay.
At that point, it's likealmost 5 o'.
Clock.
I'm like, Geez, that took like45 minutes to an hour.
Just get that all done and Ihave two hours to hunt.
It wasn't even enjoyable atthis point.
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No, because by that timeyou're sweating too.
You're like, yeah, you'resweating exhaust.
Yeah.
Yep.
It's like, oh.
So then take, take on top ofthis now.
Here you go.
So I got the E bike.
So the E bike.
I lay down in the bed of mypickup truck.
That bike's 100 pounds.
So I just clear, clean, jerkthat thing right out of the pack,
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put it down on the ground.
I gotta load the bow on thaton the rack, throw my backpack with
my gear on.
I beat feet down the road, goin the trail, I gotta find a tree
where I can kind of hide thatthing and put the cable lock through
it, you know, and then get tomy stand, climb up, get the.
You know, it's like there'slike 50 steps just to hunt.
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And I'm like, God, I rememberthe days I just climbed up a wood
stand and stood there with.
With a bow.
I didn't.
I didn't have a backpack, youknow, I had a grunt call tube in
my freaking right pocket.
I had my release in my leftpocket and.
And that was it.
And the clothes I wore inthere, I didn't have all this fancy
I got now.
And it's like, what happenedto me?
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I used to be so simple and itwas so easy.
Now I'm all complicated and Igot 20 different.
I gotta get my binocular.
Hold on.
I gotta get my binoculars out.
Hold on, wait.
I gotta put the freakingcamera over here.
And then you sit down, right?
You sit down and you're like,ah, I forgot to get that out of the
bag.
You gotta go back.
(53:59):
And you're just like, youknow, I'm about ready to say this
is, you know, social mediacould go to hell.
I'm about ready to just go back.
To being my own, you know, Ikid you not.
I was.
That Monday when I was gettingready to self film, I literally had.
Was getting everything around,getting ready to climb up the tree.
I'm literally halfway up intothe ladder.
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I'm like, I took all the SDcards out of my cameras.
So what I had to do, walk allthe way back up to the truck, get
my.
My sds, come all the way back,and I'm like, I don't even want to
do this now.
Just look at it.
Just.
It.
(54:41):
Exactly.
I was like, it.
I'm just gonna sit out herejust for the peace and silence of
it all.
I don't give a.
If anything comes out.
I just want to sit here, cry.
When I was younger, I justwent out here with my bow and just
my dad, and now I'm just outhere and I got like 30.
£30 worth of.
Yep.
And back then, your biggestworry was, do I have a pen?
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Did I forget my knife?
Now it's like, no.
Did I.
Do I have all this other with me?
Forget about it, man.
Exactly.
I think at this point, becauseI'm getting so 32 years old now,
it's like, I gotta put it likea write down a checklist.
All right.
Do I have this?
Yeah.
Do I have that?
Do I have this?
Jeez, man.
I went to the.
I went out one day.
I always kept.
(55:25):
I had my single cab pickuptruck when I had my Toyota.
And I always put my gun in thegun sock, you know, behind the seat.
So for some reason, I broughtit in.
Must have been to dry it offor something.
I put it in the house.
Going hunting.
See you later.
I get to the spot where I'mgoing, fold the seat.
It's just a gun sock.
I'm like, ah, you ass.
I'm like, well, I got my pistol.
(55:47):
I guess I'm hunting with that.
So me and my.40 caliberfreaking Smith and Wesson went down
in the woods, and I put myselfagainst the tree, and I sat there.
I'm like, oh, I'm not unarmed.
I still got something on me.
But I'm like, you idiot.
How the hell did you forgetthe gun?
You know, but it's justbecause you're out of habit, you
know, you got everything.
So now.
Now what I'm doing since I gotthe camper, every time I come in
(56:08):
the house, she's cookingsomething or whatever or, you know,
just so many smells.
And I come up to my.
This room here where I do thepodcast, and I always shut the door,
and I make sure everything'skind of, you know, like, sprayed
a room with some earth scent.
Not doing that this year.
I found a good use for the camper.
Besides, the one time I got touse it with Frank this year, that's
my scent locker.
There's nothing going on in there.
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So I just go out to the camperin the morning, I throw my hunting
clothes on.
But there's another step.
You know, it's like when I getdone doing my freaking liberty thing
in the morning, I go, okay, goto the camper, clothes on.
Okay.
Come back to the house.
Get your drink or somethingthat you're going to take in the
woods with you.
Okay.
Now get in the truck.
So many.
It's like so many freaking steps.
It's just like, oh, you know,I. I just like.
(56:51):
I hate it anymore.
I just want to freaking be simple.
Screw it.
There's just too much going on.
Well, guys, it's.
Anything else you want to say before?
Well, you guys have your ownshow this week, so.
Yes, we do.
Yeah, you're just coming up on Tuesday.
Is there anything you want tosay on our show here, the little
(57:11):
old Whitetail Vanish show?
Like what?
Yeah, I don't know.
Asking you, is there any lastwords basically that you want to
say?
Yeah, the last words I want tosay is good night.
I'm tired and I want to go to bed.
I can tell you've been crankyall day.
Listen, Guinea, I. I getfreaking my guinea up and forget
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it.
When I get angry, I'm pissedoff at everything, and then I'm like
a steamroller.
I don't stop for nothing.
We'll end it on your prayer.
Then we'll do this.
Let's try.
Let's pray.
That's the best thing we can do.
Well, everyone, that's goingto conclude another episode of the
Whitetail Advantage podcast.
I want to say thank you toeveryone that's tuned into the show.
Don't forget our schedule forthe live shows in October through
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December.
We only do them on Sundays.
Make sure to stay up on ourwebsite, on the calendar to make
sure when we are doing ourlive shows, we do try to put our
future shows out there on ourYouTube live subsection there.
So stay tuned on that.
Look forward to the FranklinSquatch show every other Tuesday
in October through December.
(58:16):
Mysteries of the Timbers.
That one's going to bestarting up next Tuesday, the following
next Tuesday on the 28th, Ibelieve it is.
Oh, that being said, Frank,how can they find you?
So you can find me atBroadside Ambush on Instagram.
Underscore Franklin.
You also find me here.
Whitetail Advantage, BoondocksHunting, Garden State Outdoorsman.
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And you can find me on FrankMystica on Facebook.
Squats.
I'm a little bit everywhere.
You're everywhere.
You got your little hands into everything.
That's it.
And if you guys don't know theoutro already, I mean, where the
have you been?
Really?
Yeah.
You guys know.
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You guys know what this showis about?
There we go.
Just gonna leave it there.
Watch.
Yeah, you guys all know, man.
Here, there and everywhere.
You can find me on everything.
But we're gonna close outtonight like we do at every show.
Let's.
Let's thank our creator, ourLord God.
Through the trials andtribulations, God, that you put us
through, we know that you'rein control.
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We just ask that your faceshine down upon us.
Bless us, Lord.
Keep us safe.
Most of all, let us learn fromyou, God.
Let us know that you are theone in control.
We ask for forgiveness andblessings, God, in your mighty name.
In Jesus we pray.
Amen.
Shoot straight.
God bless.
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Whitetail Advantage is out.
Thank you for.
For tuning in to anotherepisode of the Whitetail Advantage
podcast.
We hope you enjoyed the show,and we will see you next time.
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