Ep 179 / Saddle Up for Success: Tips and Tales from the Deer Woods

We're diving into a laid-back, yet insightful chat about the ins and outs of hunting, sharing personal stories and tips that make the experience all the more enjoyable. Tonight, we kick things off with a bang, discussing the thrill of deer sightings and the strategies that keep us coming back for more. I mean, who doesn't love a good tale of encounters with bucks like "Warrior" or the shenanigans involving our friends in the field, right? We’ll also touch on the ups and downs of saddle hunting—yes, it can be a bit of a workout—while keeping it light with some witty banter. So grab your favorite drink, settle in, and join us as we navigate the intricate world of hunting and all the hilarious moments that come with it!

Takeaways:

• The podcast emphasizes the importance of speaking your mind and being unfiltered when discussing hunting experiences.
• Listeners are encouraged to share the show to help grow the community around hunting and outdoor adventures.
• The hosts share personal hunting stories, highlighting the ups and downs of the hunting season, making it relatable and engaging.
• There is a strong sense of camaraderie and appreciation for service members, with the hosts thanking military personnel for their sacrifices.

Episode Transcript

(00:02):
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with.
Your host Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.

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What is up everyone?
It's just me and the Squatch tonight.
Hi.
What's up Squatch?
You know.
Yeah, I know how it goes.
The old reliable guy is stillhere with you.
I know and I love you for it.
Ah, thank you.
Well everyone, you know the show.

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You know the intro.
How it goes that we're notpolitically correct on the show.
We speak our minds.
We speak the truth, how we see it.
Thank you to all the men andwomen in the military.
Thank you all the men andwomen in law enforcement, firefighters,
nurses, doctors, everyone inpublic service.
Thank you for your service.
Put your cornice a lot machinehelp share the show, help grow the
show.
And now let's just get into it.
We all know same a different day.

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Oh yeah, Squatch, how have you been?
How.
Let's just talk about howyou've been.
Let's not get anything else.
Just how have you been?
I've been getting the crapkicked out of me by the deer woods.
Let's put it that way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you know, as you guysknow, the one prime piece that I
had slowly losing that.

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Still able to hunt thebackside of it a little bit.
Fortunately, next to my housethere's a good bottleneck transition
zone that the deer are using.
I've had three really decentmature bucks showing up.
Not daylighting though.
And tonight I stayed close tothe house anticipating because I

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made two mock scrapes with therack getter, orbital and hot.
The trot that Gerard had sentme out and behold, I walked down
there tonight and there's adeer made scrape in between my two
scrapes.
So it's the one eight pointerthat I call Warrior.

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He's a big mainframe eight.
I actually shot him last yearhigh in the shoulder like the second
week October and I never found him.
He was alive.
Six hours later we jumped him.
Glad to see he made it.
And he came back.
Look, speaking of that, lookwho I'm glad to see back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw.
Hey, there he is.

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Our long.
He's been busy.
He.
He explained to me a coupletimes he's been busy.
But yes, it's like switchingshifts and moving things around.
Yeah, yeah.
He's opening up a DunkinDonuts and some other.
That's a good thing.
I don't know.
In a minute.
Yeah, it's been a while sincehe's been on.
Yeah.
Anyone that doesn't know thatwe're that the Twilight Hunter, he's

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got his own podcast.
I think he's still been doingit, though.
I. I've been a little bit toobusy to catch up on even my own.
But, yeah, it's been busy.
Oh, that's what it was.
Yeah, I knew he was part of it too.
He was selling his house and he.
He went to night shift.
That's why.
Yeah, I remember that, man.
I've been on night shift too, in.
That sucks ass.

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So thank you to you.
And he's also.
He's.
I say also because I stillconsider myself law enforcement.
He's currently works in lawenforcement out there in the west
side of the US Said seasonstwo starts this week.
Oh, congrat.
Round of applause again.
We know.
If you let us know if you needany help with that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It sucks ass.
Retiring two 1.
26.
Oh, he's.
He's done.
He's at the point of, like, mode.
Because I've.
I've been with officers thatwere like, you know what?
I retire next month or I'mleaving next month, and they're just
like, you know what?
It.
I don't.
I don't give a. I'm done.

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They just say, that's enough.
Like, they're not.
Like, they don't avoid calls,but they're like, I just don't know.
I'm gonna do, like, admin crap.
Oh, that's it.
That's it.
That's what they do.
Congratulate.
I think you said what it was26 plus years you said, Brian.
I think it was 26 plus.
I think somewhere in that it'sa good run.

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Yeah.
For him to.
To answer me, make sure I'mcorrect, because I believe it was
26 plus.
25.
25 all together towards my retirement.
24 was 24.
24 plus.
Well, congratulations, man.
You definitely earn it.
And like I said thank you toall, everyone, whether listen to

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show anywhere across thecountry or around the world.
We've been getting a lot ofdownloads all over the world, so
we're very thankful for allthat and wherever at.
We want to say thank you foryour service.
Oh, yeah, but I.
You were going on a.
On a Virginia hunt, though.
Brian, can you let us like,send a quick comment in there of

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how that went, if you stilldid it or if you haven't done it
yet.
I thought you were going to bedoing it in October.
I don't think he went.
Next week.
Oh, next week?
Yeah, I didn't think he went.
I didn't see anything about it.
I Must.
Yeah, I knew he was going to Virginia.
I just thought it was more forHalloween time, like right now, so.

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Well, he's actually going at agood time.
It's.
The bucks are starting to, to daylight.
On my other property, I had a,a buck that I was seeing here and
there.
He's kind of, you know, he's,he's, I don't know, he opened up
a scrape the one week I put acamera by the screen, didn't over
hunt it or anything and hedidn't come back.

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And I was like, oh, somebodygot him.
Then like a week later heshows up.
I'm like, oh, okay.
And then nothing.
I put in a mock scrape.
A couple other deer came in,not the ones I'm looking for.
The guy I call my son Corey,he, he went over, he said, can I
hunt your stand?
I said, yeah, go, go behindthe lake, see what happens.

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And I saw a small buck andthen I saw that buck on camera and
some dough.
And he didn't get up thismorning to go because he had some
side work he had to do.
So he wanted to rest up when,you know, 11 o' clock this morning,
there's a big old eightpointer just standing there right
in front of my stand where themock scrape is.
I get the video of it and I'mlike, look.

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He's like, ah.
I'm like, dude, they are sofreaking un, you know, you just can't
friggin pinpoint them sometimes.
They're just all over the place.
And with the rut, I mean, Iunderstand it, it's the first daylight
picture I got of him, buthopefully he'll hold on to some of
the harem over there and findhimself a nice hot dough and lock
down with her for 36 to 48 hours.

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And you know, he'll get stupid.
So hopefully somebody will geta crack at him, me or him.
But I was pulling for him, hesaw a small buck tonight.
And then I come out of thewoods from where I am, I sit down
and have dinner.
Camera goes off and they're loand behold, there's Warrior coming.
His same path.

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He's, he's literally 30 yardsfrom my back porch.
And he's just standing there,you know, and he's like, yeah, look,
the scrape got hit again.
Okay, I'll kick it.
And then he disappeared.
So I don't know where he went.
He didn't go up past my other camera.
We'll see later on tonight.
Sometimes he swings backaround and check the do's and see

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what's going on there and whatever.
But it's been, it's beentrying, it's been a trying year.
Just, just because the place Iusually have locked down is not really
there.
And like tonight they werejust tearing the place up with four
wheelers for three hours straight.
But I'm off tomorrow so I'llget up early in the morning and go

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get my old trusty reliableladder stand.
I passed up a six pointer this morning.
Just, just wasn't feeling it.
I seen him come in, he came inthe same way he, the eight pointer
walked last year and I pickedthe bow up off the hook and I just
started looking at him reallygetting that, well, are you going
to kill him or are you goingto let him walk?
Kind of mode.

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And I just hung the bow back up.
Kept looking behind him,making sure there was another buck
behind him.
Yeah, he was a respectable twoand a half year old, six.
I mean really freaky thingabout him, I think he might have
been part bovin.
He was reddish brown.
I never seen a buck thatfreaking red this time of year in

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my life.
But he had like longer redhair like his winter coat.
But he was just a brighterred, reddish brown and he had nice
golden horns, you know, theyweren't like bleached out white,
they weren't dark, dark, theywere just like caramel color.
He's nice, nice looking buck.
I mean he's got potential.
Yeah, I gave him the pass.
I, I said, you know, not yet,not there yet.

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I don't want to shoot him, you know.
And I know there's, there'sreally three, possibly almost four
good, you know, four and ahalf year old, five and a half year
old bucks here.
And the one I'm dying to get,actually two now, I'm dying to get.
But when the good lords feelsit's my time and he thinks I should
have those deer, he's going todish them out to me and I'll get

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them, I'll get them.
I just, I got to play the gameand be patient.
You know, there's all kinds oflearning that goes on with this and
yeah, every year you thinkit's going to be a cakewalk.
You got them figured out.
And I mean I do, I know wherethey're going, I know, I know their
patterns.
It's just I got to interceptthem at the right time and it's getting

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down to the wire now we'rejust going to start running all over
the place.
So sit in those transitionzones, get downwind of a Betting
area.
And somebody's bound to showup, even if he's not a homeboy.
You get somebody new in thearea just because he's cruising for
dough.
So what about you?
I went out.
Thursday was my last day.

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I was out.
Nothing was happening thefirst like, couple hours, and it
was close to about 5ish.
Yeah, it just like, they werejust like little small does and little
button buck, little deer, andlike just random crap just like started
happening like all night long.

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And I was like, they're justlike little sticks just running around.
It's like the coolest thingever to watch.
And what was it?
This, this one buck that named Bucky.
I saw him a couple weeks agowhen I shot my doe and I passed on
him.
And then like the next day Isee him on the other end of the property.

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And I was like, oh, hey,what's up, Bucky?
And then finally saw him againThursday about 100 yards away.
And he's out there grazing and stuff.
And.
And this now he's 100 yardsthat way.
And then I see this, anotherlittle button buck.
And both these button bucks,they haven't.
Their pedicles haven't poppedthrough yet, so they're still just

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right underneath like their.
Their skin.
And.
And this one I call Scrappybecause he had like all these burrs
on him and I thought they werecut marks.
I was like, oh, I'm gonna nameyou Scrappy.
So then they start likebeeline it towards straight each
other.
And then I was able to get iton camera where Scrappy gets on his

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hind legs and like smacks at Bucky.
He just runs off like a little.
Yeah, he's like, bucky, youcan't do that.
I've seen Dave and Johnny do that.
Yeah, same here with the dicks.
No.
And then.
So then this other dough comesout and it was.

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She was a really big doe.
I was gonna drop her, but Iwas like, eh, I want to save her
just in case, Because I wasafter this really big bodied four
pointer that's out there.
Okay.
Really the only buck out there.
Really.
Honestly, I was like, I'm notgonna drop them because I see that
the ruts kind of started right now.
So I'm gonna wait and just seeif something comes out.

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And sure enough, she runs outand they start chasing her.
And then they go to the northwest.
Then they're out of my sight.
And then all of a sudden thosethree run back at me again.
And they kept like, staringout in the direction of like, where
they went I'm like, what thefuck are you guys looking at?

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And I can't see because I'mbehind this like shrubbery thing.
And it's this spike that runs out.
And he thinks he's like Mr.King Kong out there.
Like, oh yeah.
He's like chasing all theselittle things off and.
And dude, it was fun.
Then you see like these other two.
Does they come out fromunderneath me and they're running

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out into the field and they'rechasing them.
And it was just like a blast, dude.
From like 5 o' clock till like7:30, I had to stay in my stand.
So about 7:45.
And I was like.
Because they're still out inthe field kind of like running around.
And eventually I got to apoint where I'm like, it.
It's just a spike.
I'm.
I'm getting down.
I want to get out of here nowbefore anything else like really

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comes through.
And yeah, that was.
That was a really fun night for.
That's probably been my mostactive fun night this year.
That's cool.
And then I was looking throughmy camera Friday night.
It was.
Yep.
This because I don't go on hunt.
I don't hunt on Halloweenanymore because I got the kids.
I want to spend time with themand on Halloween and stuff.

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And at 12:30 I noticed myphone went off and this nice like
eight pointer, I think it was.
It was hard to tell, but he'sblurry, but I was like, he's a very.
He's pretty good looking, twoand a half year old.
Yeah.
Buck.
Yep.
And he ran right in front of my.
One of my cameras.
I was like, yeah, I thoughtabout sitting there.

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I'm gonna be sitting there here.
I'm gonna hunt the field tomorrow.
This is the way it was acting,I think Tuesday I'm gonna hunt in
this area that I've named Ace.
Named that area Ace.
I'm looking forward to that.
But no, and one thing I didn'twant to mention was, I mean, I know
we've been talking a lot aboutsaddle hunting the last couple episodes,

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but one thing I do want topoint out is I'm just kind of trying
to like go along with theexperience of like what I've been
going through as my first timeout there.
So I'm trying to share it asmost relevant information I have
at the time.
Yeah.
And real quick to you, do youhave a two panel samo or a single
panel?
No, mine is a single panel.

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Single panel.
But.
But it's.
It has a lot of room in it.
It doesn't really go likehigher up my back.
Like, I know what you're saying.
You can kind of scoot thelower panel down under your butt
more and you got more back support.
Yeah.
Mine's a trophy.
It's a trophy line and it'svery well made.

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It's, it's thick material upalong the sides of your hips.
There's a strap on each sideand it has like that cam buckle so
you can pull it up so it'llactually cup you more or you can
leave it straighter.
I'm telling you.
Really?
I mean, my bet I got.
My back is hurt.
It's killing me right nowbecause I was in my other stand,

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the saddle.
Alls it does is hurt my kneesand it hurts my feet.
My lower back doesn't hurt.
It's fine.
And I know it's has to do withthe angle and stuff and I could change
it.
I might actually switch next year.
Like a curve down platform alittle bit.
I think that'll help thetension on my knees a little bit.

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Yeah.
But I, I, I actually thesaddle is less hurting on my back
than a tree stand.
Believe it or not, if I standin a stand, my lower back locks up.
It just locks up from my, likethe top of my hips up the center
of my back between my shoulder blades.
That's a whole nother story.
But by the end of the day,I'm, I'm a hurting unit man.

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I mean, I, I'll, I'll take ina leave or something before I go
to bed just to let my backkind of like relax down from the
tension because I got to getup the next morning and do it all
over again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right now.
I got the, the single panelsaddle from xop.
Thank you, guys.
But I've had lower backproblems ever since I think it was

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sophomore year.
I got speared right in thespine and I've had lower back problems
ever since.
And the single panel, it's great.
Don't get me wrong.
But if you have, if you wantmore of a back support, a single
panel saddle is not for you.
Oh.
It, you can position the waythe, the Prusik knot is on the handles

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to figure out where you'regoing to put more of the support
at.
Like the lower it is.
Like if, here's like, if youhave like a backwards C means you're
looking at a C. Yeah.
The more in the bottom part ofthe sea is, the more of the support
you're going to have on Yourass and the more that you go up towards
the top of the sea is more tothe top of your back, your lower,

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your spine.
I put that kind of like rightin the middle, just a little bit
below the middle.
So that way I feel like I'mstill have just enough a little bit
on my back.
But I do want to look at a twopanel saddle.
Saddle.
Two panel saddle, Yep.

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Or the lower back supportbecause how much pain I get in.
Last trip though, I was in itwhen I was in there sat saddle hunting
on Thursday.
I did try doing that and I, Ihave, I don't have knee pads.
I know.
Justin asked if you have knee pads.
I haven't bought knee pads yet.
I just kind of have a pad.
I was just kind of tyingaround the tree and been going that

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route with it right now.
But I do plan on getting someknee pads and the last, some good.
Ones I have them but the wayI'm built, I'm afraid like if I try
to turn and stand my legs aregoing to rub together and make make
noise with them and stuff.
So I mean yeah, they're awesome.
Like I.
It would definitely help me torest my knees against the tree.

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Sometimes I'll actually justswing towards the tree and just like
kind of put my legs to eitherside of it and then that takes some
of the tension off my legs fora little bit or I'll twist 180, you
know and then kind of put myshoulder against the tree and just
kind of let like sit in thesaddle and just kind of stay suspended
there for a little bit.

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Then I'll turn back around anddo that.
And then believe it or not,when you take your climbing stick
and you put it close to theheight of your, your platform, if
you step off and it's a littlelower, it'll actually relieve that
strong leg.
Like I tend to late put a lotof pressure on my right leg just
because I'm right handed.
So I noticed if I let that leghang a little lower towards that

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stick and put more of theweight towards the saddle, it takes
that tension off of me for a while.
I mean if I'm in there likethree and a half, four hours, it's
not that bad on me.
I can deal with it.
Sometimes I'll sit like fivehours or so and it's just, it just
starts killing me.
Like I gotta get down.
I have been looking at themethod 3 saddle just because of the,

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the back support on how it is.
Just because padding on it, itlooks nice.
I If.
If XOP came to me and asked meto give them pointers, I have a lot
of pointing ideas that wouldbe nice if they kind of implemented.
I know I'm nobody in the senseof I just started, but I feel like

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that'd be a good opportunityto ask somebody like, well, you don't
know shit really about it, butgive me your feedback about it.
Because I don't know anything.
So I'm going to give you.
You see what I'm saying?
Like, I feel like no kind of experience.
I mean, it does do somedisservice in a sense when people
that don't have the experiencethat gives advice on it.

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But I'm giving the advice fromthe standpoint of.
This is what I've noticed sofar of me.
Disclaimer.
I've only been hunting acouple times out of the saddle.
This is what I've noticed fromsaddle hunting in general and this
overall experience in saddle hunting.
Take it for what it's worthand kind of go from there.
But to kind of give, like,reviews and shit like that, I think

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are two different points.
But no, I did also notice myknees were killing me.
I probably should take theknee pads, though, that my boyfriend
lets me use at night.
Oh, Johnny, you want him back?
Yeah.
There we go.
I was hoping he caught on to that.
And my feet.

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My feet were killing me.
I think it's also beside thefact that my souls are from back
when the dinosaurs roamed theEarth, because those souls are so
like, penny fucking.
Like.
No, I won't even say penny.
They're like hair.
Razor hair thin in diameter.
Like they are like nothing.
Yeah.

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And.
But I know Justin here, he's.
He's got.
He's got one from.
He got a new saddle this yearfrom Latitude and he said it sucks
going back to my old one.
Have you guys seen the JX3 saddle?
I've never even heard of theJX3 saddle.
They're bulky, but lookcomfortable as f. Don't be swearing

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on the channel, Justin.
I mean, man, it's.
It's.
I know you've been part of thebrotherhood for a long time, but
don't be swearing on the show, man.
Yeah, we got to take the Holyhand grenade.
It's, you know, bar soap out.
No kidding.
I mean, how many times we haveto say this?
It's a PG13 show.
I know.
I'm surprised.
A little foul.
Mouth bastard Michael ain't on.

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I haven't seen him any.
He's probably been too.
I'm not Gonna say it.
I'm not gonna say it.
You know, we shouldn't say hisname more than twice because the
third time he'll probably showup like Beetlejuice.
I know.
You know.
You know what's gonna happen.
He probably won't show upthough, on the rest of the night's
show, but he might show up on.
On your and yours in Frankshow on Tuesday.

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Buck, you guys.
He said it's light but not comfy.
It's late, but not.
Oh, he's referring to the Maverick.
That's what he got.
I've seen those ones.
But really, you gotta look.
And I think if you're gettinginto saddle hunting.
And I could see the.
The unwillingness to get intosaddle hunting because it just seems

(22:29):
like just like that's a lot of ropes.
That's a huge learning curveto get over and a lot of things to
this and that about it.
But he just texted.
He just commented, suck my.
Damn it.
You were right.
I jinxed it.
I jinxed, jinxed it.
Pe you.
Pe you Beetlejuice.

(22:50):
Yep.
He's the Italian Beetlejuice.
Divisiono.
It hasn't even been two minutes.
Showed up.
Great.
Well, the show was on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Welcome, Michael.
Michael.
Michael.
You know, Michael.
Just.

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Whenever I hear that name, Ithink of Michael Jackson.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
And I think I. I think Michaelmight have dressed up like Michael
Jackson and went out trick ortreating this last Halloween.
So he's probably tired, youknow, with the time change and doing
that.
Or he dressed up as one of thekids that Michael abducted.
He was actually dressed it uplike the chimpanzee that Michael

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abducted.
No, but it's really.
Actually hunting is actuallyvery simple.
It really is.
And it might seem like a huge.
Like, there's a lot of ropes.
You got to do this, you got todo that.
I'll say this, though.
You do have to be somewhat inphysical shape in a sense.

(23:56):
Like, you don't need to be ingodlike shape like me, but you do
have to be.
You gotta be somewhat, like,agile and not be like, I walk two
steps and I give up.
In life, you know, you have tohave a core.
I noticed when I was in thesaddle, I was like, man, I can really
feel it in my core a little bit.

(24:16):
Not like strenuous, but, youknow, like, you can feel it.
Yeah.
Like it was there.
But if you're, like, looking into.
Well, we're.
If you're looking at trying toget into saddle hunting and this
is how I would tell people tolook At.
Look at it like this.
Do you want a single panelsaddle or two panel saddle?
And start there.

(24:37):
Like, which one do you thinkis going to be more effective for
you?
There's a bunch of videos outthere that shows.
I'm not going to get into it.
I basically the.
In my opinion how things arebroken down between the two is do
you want back support or doyou not want back support?
Really?
I mean, you kind of get some.
A little bit with it.
With the single panel.
I'm not saying you get none atall, but basically, like, do you

(24:59):
want one that just kind ofrides your ass or do you want a two
panel one that can kind of goup at your back and on the bottom
of your butt and kind of giveyou more of like a seat, like feeling
in it both ways.
You described that were justso homosexual.
It was like they did.
I didn't.
Yeah, you can get one thatgoes up your butt, down your back.

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I was like, what the hell ishe talking about here?
Really?
Oh my God.
For support.
So for people who arelistening to us, I like to apologize
for Brett and where he wasgoing with all that.
Homosexuality.
Get your mind out of the gutter.
I think what the boy is tryingto say is you need more support for
your lower back.
Go with a double panel if youcan get by and you have a good core

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strength and you can hang inthere for the long duration.
You want a little less weightand bulkiness.
Go with the single panel.
There we go.
And then you can find onethat's kind of in between.
I. I consider my trophy one.
It's.
It's kind of almost in between.
And that loser Frank thatsupposed to be on the show tonight

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because it's his birthday.
He did it first.
I mean, and I say this all the time.
You guys need to put in yourrequests for time off.
I already told him he's firedfrom the Frank and squad show.
So now it's just a Squatch andsquad show.
Jeez.
Man.
But, you know, he's actuallythe one that told me about the trophy
line and I saw his and I. I,you know, tried it on and liked it.

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I was like, you know what?
I'm not gonna second guess my buddy.
He knows what he's talking about.
He's done it for a year.
I'll get it.
And I gotta say, for the mostpart, I've been really happy with
it.
I don't mind it at all.
It's well constructed on the back.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
Yeah.
Dave Is so old, actually hehad cell cameras, the actual first

(26:51):
trail cameras that spit outPolaroid pictures he still uses.
But yeah.
Congratulations to our buddyDave, who used to be on the show,
who's still a brother of the show.
He got a nice doe today.
Yes.
He shot a nice living deer doe.
Yeah.
And he's happy, happy.

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So we're happy for him andgood deal, Dave.
Congratulations, you old bastard.
And then I'm trying to, like,basically trying to like, figure
out a way to like, how can Ior you and I, like, really just,
like, don't get, don'toverthink saddle hunting or like,

(27:34):
where to start or anythinglike that.
In my opinion, if that's thefirst advice that I could give somebody,
that's where I'd tell someoneto start.
What would you say then?
I would tell them, get all thestuff you need and practice.
Just every time I'm saying,like, in general, like, like you're,
you, you have me, and you'relike, well, this is how you need

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to break down saddle hunting.
Like in steps.
Yeah.
Like, that would be my firststep, being like, if you're trying
to get into saddle hunting,which, which way do you need?
Do you think you need to leantoward more?
And me, I would be tellingmyself I would need to lean more
towards the two panel saddle.
Now the next step would beinto this.

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Find a comfortable saddle.
Practice your setup with your sticks.
Get a good quality pair of sticks.
Stuff like XOP puts out.
You know, I have the amsteel,but I just switched to the micro
C3s for the stand supportinstead of using the yam steel.
Learn your familiarity withthe way you can pack your sticks

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in, how you can get them onthe tree.
Practice toe kicking yourplatform into the tree so it's rugged,
you're able to push from thesides of it.
So if you want to swing outeither side of the tree, learn all
that.
Learn your rope, your tether,learn your, your ascenders.
Don't be afraid to get awayfrom that prusik knot on your lineman's

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belt.
I put an ascender on mylineman's belt so I can suck myself
closer to the tree or, youknow, get away from the tree as the
tree gets fatter near thebottom instead of screwing around
with the Prusik knot.
Also, a good ascender betweenyou and your bridge is key.
Just a safety note, if you'reworried maybe that your ascender
could slip, just tie a simpleknot in behind it.

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It won't go anywhere.
If you're scared in thebeginning and practice those weak
side shots, you know, it's,it's tough to.
I always set up, I'm a righthanded guy, so I'll put my sticks
up and my platform is usuallyto the left side of it because when
I get up in it want to be ableto shoot, you know, to, to that lean

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side.
I try to set myself up towhere to think the deer are going
to come so I'm not shooting tomy weak side.
An acclimation of the trees.
Like learn how to get aroundlimbs and how to not like entrap
yourself with your lineman's belt.
Put your sticks up because thestick is in way of your lineman's

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belt and then you can't pullyour lineman's belt up because you
wrap your rope around it foryour stick.
Or you know, you get up toyour stand and you can't get your
lineman's belt around thestand and the tree and then back
over.
You know, learn, learn those techniques.
But every time you go outyou'll figure it out.
You know, you learn a little more.
Learn like me, I use that bigcarabiner hanging off my, my saddle

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and then I have a zip tie madea loop.
All my sticks stack on topeach other and down into each other.
So I start from the furthestone to the outside and then work
my way in towards that zip tie.
My last stick, I just loosenthat, you know, the lever on the
carabiner and I let that laststick out.
That's the last one on thetree, you know, and everything's

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right there at your reach.
You don't have any problemsgetting it.
So yeah, speed is infunctionality, how, how fast, how
organized you are.
Build speed.
Don't worry about how fast youcan get up the tree.
I mean first time you go out,probably take a 20 minutes, half
an hour.
By the time you get your stuffscrewed into the tree for your bow

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hanger, your camera set up,you know.
And as you 45 minutes.
Granted I have to take like anextra 10 to kind of get some of my
camera gear around, butgenerally it's taking me a good 40
minutes to kind of from startto finish.
Yeah, I mean you should beable to do that in about 15, easy
15.
But once you get used to doing it.

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Yeah, and that was when Ifirst started.
Now I'm closer to about like20, 20 minutes.
I should rephrase it.
I'm sorry, but it's all good.
You know, like I said withyour time, your form of how you set
up will build the speed.
And I think another thinglike, to do a good practice is don't

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obviously practice from thesaddle, but I think you can.
You don't like, have to go.
To start off practicing, justgetting used to being like.
If you're afraid of heights oryou're afraid of just thinking, oh,
I'm just hanging on my.
A simple fucking rope.
Stay low, stay low.
Just put the saddle, like,just do this.
How about this?
Just put the platform justlike a foot off the ground and just

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hang yourself from a tree andjust do that.
You're still represent.
You're still replicating whatyou're doing 20ft up in the air.
And you'll get to that point.
Right.
But it's nice to at least.
And that's what I plan ondoing this year, honestly, when.
When next summer comes aroundpracticing more, being in that position
of hanging from the rope andjust shooting in that.
In that feeling.

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And I think another good thingto do to practice is practice putting
one step up.
Like if you were going tobring four sticks out there.
Yep.
Wherever you're going to gohunt or whatever the case may be,
do one stick and then put your platform.
You get in a routine doingthat, and then work your way to doing
two sticks and then yourplatform, getting a routine and doing

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that, and then add the thirdstick and do that with the platform.
And then now you're feeling comfortable.
Now you're adding more.
Now you're figuring out,right, I need to put this here.
I need to put this majiggy here.
What if I put like, a loop onmy stick to help put it on my carabiner
here?
Then you work your way up toyour fourth stick and then your platform.

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And now you're kind of gotteninto a good rhythm of like, all right,
this is what I'm good at.
This one I'm not good at.
And now you're figuring out,all right, I need this.
I need.
I need a little bit tweakingon there.
That way you're figuringyourself up as you're going up the
tree and you're getting into arhythm and figuring out what, like
I said, what you're good at,what you're not good at.
And then eventually get tothat height that you're.

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You're wanting and practicefrom shooting from a tree at that
height.
I think that's a good way tobreak down.
Practicing getting up and downa saddle.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, the way that Daveand Johnny teach you is they let
you get up about 15ft, and oneof them magically already put a cut

(34:00):
in your line.
And, you know, they let you'relike, bounce around on your platform
and all of a sudden it's like,right, that's what could happen if
you mess up.
Are you all right?
You know, that's.
That's.
Or try dangling upside down.
See how that turned that way Inverted.
Oh, yeah, we forgot to tell you.
You didn't attach your leg straps.
You fell out of the saddle.
That looked like it hurt.

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Are you okay down there?
I mean, you're talking aboutJohnny, who's a stunt puppet from
the military, and he's beenshot in the neck.
So, I mean, there's not muchconnecting to anything.
And he was shot in the neck.
Are you serious?
Yeah, he was shot in the neckby a somebody.
I don't know.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Now, if you shoot a deer inthe neck, they usually go down, but

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just goes to show Johnny'smore agile than a deer, I guess.
I guess.
So mean, I shot one in the face.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Wow.
I didn't think I can buy an illegal.
Am I?
There was like a plethora ofcomments just scrolling through here.
So I missed a lot of therewhen I was talking.

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Oh, he's saying Johnny gotshot by an illegal.
Dave said, we're just.
No, we're not going to makethat joke.
He.
He was overseas for that.
Dave said, or just don't be a.
And climb the tree.
I'm saying, like, for new people.
I get to practice.
Like, honestly, I wish Istarted doing that more of just like

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breaking it down in steps thatway held up.
Your stuff was on back order alittle bit.
And then, yeah, I literallyhad to practice during the hunting
season.
And that's the way I did itlast year, too.
I was getting ready to go outto Ohio.
I threw it up in a tree herelike four or five times before I
went out there.
And I was like, guess what?
It's going with me and I'mgoing out to Ohio and I'll figure

(35:49):
it the rest of the way outwhen I get the hell out there.
Yeah, like, I've.
I'll only practice a coupletimes out of the saddle.
And I had to do it from, likeI said, a foot off the ground.
I haven't actually shot upfrom the tree yet because I'm like,
I've been out hunting and soit's like, it.
I mean, yeah, yeah.
But no, I'm looking forward to it.
Michael said, brett, don't getyour junk caught on a branch humping

(36:11):
the tree trying to get up.
I usually do that on theground where I even climb up the
tree.
So.
Sneaker swim.
Exactly, Justin.
Sink or swim.
I like that.
No, but it's the right.
Is the rut started kicking offout there for you?
Yeah, yep, it's, it'sdefinitely picking up.
I've got, I got good rut, youknow, activity.

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I've got active scrapes.
I've got some of the youngerbucks starting to do that pre rut
chase, I would say.
Temperatures stay the way they are.
They're running all nightright now with this full moon, they're
running all night, which isgood because you'll get up in the
morning and you know, John Doebuck from six miles away that you've

(36:55):
never seen before is all of asudden in your kill zone and it's
like, oh well, welcome to the party.
Now you're gonna die.
And you know, like that happens.
So it's fun.
But yes, I'm seeing redacting.
I'm starting to see bucks.
Daylight, you know, day walk.
I've.
Man, last.
What day was it?
A couple, couple days ago, Iwalked down here, I jumped a deer,

(37:18):
which was a doe.
I, I saw her on camera.
Boy, did she stink, man.
It was like I opened up abottle of rack at her right in front
of me.
I was like, holy cow, you're right.
And you know, it makes sense.
That's why the bucks arecoming down here trying to find out
where she is and.
Yeah, and it's good.
It's good.
Like I said, it's, it'swinding up.
It's, you know, it happens thesame time every year.

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Everybody, ah, you know, really.
I mean it changes by four orfive days, I'll say, depending on
stuff.
But yeah, eventually they'll start.
You know, last year Veteransday was hot.
Like it was.
There was just deer running everywhere.
I mean they were going crazy.

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We're into that, we're intothat point.
These good 28, 30 degreenights we're getting here, you know,
they're moving, they're.
They come into at the same time.
It just depends on what doesare there.
I mean sometimes the rut willbe phenomenal and sometimes it goes
so late because you'll havethis year's yearling that's about

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75, 80 pounds will actuallycome into her breeding phase late.
So the bucks that are stillleft will actually smell her and
go after them.
So you actually see a big buckbreeding a little, a little doe.
It Happens sometimes.
It can.
It can, you know, reallyprolong the rut, and it's good for
us.
We may get a crack at that bigbuck when all the other guys have

(38:45):
punched out or just called itquits because they're tired of getting
up and, yeah, we're in for thelong haul.
I've seen good, good laterruts, but I. I do feel this one's.
I'd say it's.
It's a little bit earlier thanyears past.
I'd say within the last fouror five years, it's been pretty steady.
It just seems like it's comingon a little bit better this year.

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Earlier on.
And it could be just a buck,though, ratio thing here making that
it might be just here it's happening.
Well, no, it.
It happened here.
So I want to say it was aboutthe 20th, around the 20th of October.
My buddy was seeing deerchasing does like with their head

(39:28):
down.
And I'm like, that's early as.
Like, I haven't like, like that's.
It just seemed.
That seemed really early for me.
And I was like, damn, dude,that's early.
Like, I had my phone set forlike the 25th.
I think it was for like thepre rut stuff to kind of kick in.
I've always set it on mycalendar for like the 25th around

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that.
He said, yeah, but it started today.
I'm like.
I said, well, no, it startedtoday in your area.
I'm saying on a general basis, you.
That's what I put on my phone.
Right.
And yeah, no, it's weird howit's kind of like what's happening
out there in New York is alsohappening out here in Michigan too.
And in a sense, in a sense, Iknow in my area I've been getting
slammed with EHD so I've been.

(40:12):
Trying to pull on.
Oh, dude, I've.
The only thing that's helpedme out now is the rut.
That's the only thing I'vebeen banking on all year, all since
the end of September washearing all these deer die off in
my neck of the woods.
I was like, well, hopefullyall these does here start getting

(40:33):
in the heat and they startbringing in bucks from different
areas.
Yeah.
And I've only got two bucksthat have come into my area since
the rut.
And I was like, yay.
And I took two weeks off.
So I was like, thank God.
I like, all right.
Yeah, that's.
That's all I've been bankingon this year was I knew most likely

(40:54):
with how the ehd was going onand how there was like nothing going
on on cameras.
I was like, this year is goingto be tough.
I, I, I'm not going to seeanything maybe till so maybe the
rut.
I'm just hoping and praying atthat point, really.
And yeah, yeah.
Dave said that's why you gotto make here.

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That's why you got to makesome scent trails with the dough
and heat you're in to getthose bucks all around to come over.
Yeah, but my where my piece ofproperty is to do that, I'm surrounded.
The surrounding propertyaround me is basically just open
Agfield.

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So it's like, well, if I wasto do that, I mean, I know they can
go for a long ways, but it'slike, what are the odds?
I gotta have the actual legitdoes run to the other properties,
get them this chase over thereto bring them back home to my property.
But no, I do.
Hey, you know what I wasthinking before because I was thinking

(42:00):
about what if we just endedearly tonight.
Yeah.
Let's see if anybody'sinterested in doing and calling in
and saying how their, howtheir season's been going.
Yeah, bring them up.
If you are interested incalling into the show for here tonight,
we're gonna do this before weclose it out for tonight.
You want to share how yourseason's going so far?

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Drop a comment saying thatyou're interested and I'll put the
phone number up on the screen.
If not, all you brothers andsisters out there can go yourselves
because apparently you don'twant to call in, talk to us.
Yeah.
No, I ain't letting Michaelcall in.
Michael, you're blocked.
Michael, I blocked you.
You, you, you got to reach aheight limit to call it.

(42:45):
Happy 16 and older to be this.
It's just like when you call.
All right, we got caller.
Oh, oh, he's got the phone number.
Okay, Brian, if you still havemy number, just call me.
I just call to say he's old.

(43:06):
Give him time.
He's got to find the phone.
He's got to get his glasses.
You're like, what's, where'sthat from?
What's the name of that show again?
Geo Party.
No.
What?
It's not Geo Party.

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Jeopardy.
Jeopardy.
Oh, that's.
Here he is.
Hello.
Funny, that was all of the above.
I did have to find my glasses.
I laughed as soon as you said it.
I knew it.
I knew it.
I knew it.
I could see through the walls.

(43:47):
I can see.
Yeah.
What's up, kids?
What is up, brother?
Welcome to the show.
I mean, we're not welcome, but.
Yeah.
Well, how's your season beengoing now that you're on the day?
When did you officially getthe day shift?
I officially went to day shiftin latter part of October, but.

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Okay.
I went to day shift for likethree days and then took a week off.
Oh, nice.
Nice.
Yeah.
Hunting season.
So most of my hunting seasonI've spent guiding so far.
Okay.
I had a. I had a buddy and hiswife come out elk hunting from Virginia.
Yep.
But we ended up getting hiswife an elk out of their.

(44:30):
Their last day in Idaho, actually.
Wow.
Oh, man.
Yeah, it was a grind.
We, I mean, we, we got herinto elk every single day.
It just.
We.
She couldn't buy a stroke of luck.
Oh, man.
I literally.
We had one at 40 yards thatwas in just.
Just on the other side of the.

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Of a private property line.
Oh, dude.
Yeah, I was one of those.
But finally we got her.
We got her connected with herfor herself, which is.
Which was super cool.
I was, I was proud to havebeen a part of that hunt.
That's awesome.
A cow or a buck?
Yeah, it was a cow.
Yeah, a cow, but nice.
Oh, some elk, man.

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Especially you and your.
You're looking for me, huh?
So.
No, no.
Yeah, so we did that and wehad them come up to our place and
I put it in my cooler and thenwe, we cut it up for him and so they
could get it on some coolersand some ice chests and get on a
plane and send it back to Virginia.
So.
Nice.
A couple weeks later, I tookmy son in law and my daughter out.

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I'm sorry, Brian.
Real quick.
And I was like, who are you?
And David's like, it's one ofthe truckers from the rest stop.
I put Fred's number on thepublic rest stop last week.
Oh, dang you.
That's funny.

(45:53):
Oh, man, this is an awesome guy.
Kills one deer, now he's a comedian.
I mean.
Yeah.
Yes.
Suddenly he's a great white hunter.
Yeah.
Anyway, you're saying aboutyour son.
I took my son in law, my daughter.
Well, it's kind of a family hunt.
They drew.
They drew late season deer tags.
Oh, they.
They.
They connected on a couplemule deer and doubled within minutes

(46:17):
of each other.
Really?
Cool.
Cool.
Yeah, it was cool.
It was super cool.
But it was a long day.
We were like three miles fromthe truck in some pretty rough country.
Oh, man.
So.
But it was fun.
That was my daughter's first,first walk too, so it was good, man.
You were having A year then ofmemories I had.

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Me, me.
So far, not so good.
I.
Not so good.
I shouldn't say that.
So I took last week, this,this past week off.
I just, I got to go back towork tomorrow and I. I have that
same late buck tag and so Iactually hunted lately and I, I've
had plenty of opportunities,but I, I passed up on some, probably
some bucks that most peoplewould shoot, but I was looking for

(46:59):
something special and I foundone, but it was in a place where
I wasn't going to get to itthis, this year by myself, so.
Hey, Brian, I got a questionfor you from somebody that commented
here.
Michael.
Shocker.
I know.
Oh, wow.
Jocker.
He said.
Me and my dad, me and my dad,but especially my dad has been wanting
to go on an elk hunt.

(47:19):
If you wanted to try and dosomething next year, would you consider
guiding?
Yeah, I mean, we, we couldfigure it out.
It just depends on, on what Igot going on in time and stuff.
And if you're going to huntIdaho though, you need to get on
it because the draw for nonresidents is the 15th of December.
Oh, that's right.
I remember Dave saying that heput like a reminder on his phone

(47:40):
for that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's, it's, you know, it'scoming up and then basically what
I can do is I can help kind ofpoint you guys in a direction of
a, of a unit.
Yeah.
And then give you guys all theins and outs of some of the units
that I've.
I have some experience with.
And so even if I can't comehelp, I can at least, I can at least

(48:03):
point everybody in the rightdirection, so.
Yeah, for sure.
That's good.
So what are you doing?
I know you said that youhadn't had time to get your like
your salad stuff around oranything like that.
So what's, what's your gameplan when you go to Virginia?
So basically I'm just gonna.
I'm gonna ground, ground and pound.
I'm gonna backpack into the,into the George Washington National
Forest in the wilderness area there.

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And I'm gonna spend at leastthree or four days back in there
looking for a couple of bucksthat they have targeted, they've
found back in there.
So.
Oh, man, you're gonna be.
That's some rough country todo it in too.
I'm gonna kind of.
I'm gonna kind of western huntit to a certain degree, but, you
know, basically set up my.

(48:45):
Set up a ground setup.
Have a ground ground, if you will.
Yeah.
Are you gonna do, like, natural.
Natural.
You're gonna make like yourown natural type ground blind.
Then you're gonna try to.
For that.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna basically pretendI'm turkey hunt, I think, is how
it's gonna work.
So.
Sorry.
So good luck with that, man.

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I. I need to know how thatgoes because that's.
That's tough terrain in Virginia.
Yeah, that's.
In my opinion, it is.
But.
But it's tough and it's toughand small.
Small ballots.
Right.
So most work.
So.
Yeah.
You know, you got.
You got three or 400ft ofmisery versus the.
The.

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I went chasing after a buck onThursday, and I had, you know, 1600
elevated feet of elevationgain in under a mile.
Yeah, that's steep.
That's steep.
So I'm like.
So, man, you know, this ain'tgonna be nothing.
That is true.
You're coming from Idaho.

(49:48):
I'm just.
Yeah.
I'm just worried aboutlearning because this is new to me.
Right.
So I'm a little bit concernedabout, you know, the.
The steepness of the learningcurve is.
Is the hunt back east versuseven hunt whitetails out here.
Right.
It's.
It's different.
Yeah.
I mean, it's the same, but different.
Yeah, but really, I think ifyou could.
If you got a good base fromout there, I'm sure you can at least

(50:09):
start from somewhere fromwhere you learn.
And I've got.
I've got friends out there, so.
So the good news is we knowwhere some.
Some bucks are.
We have.
We have a general area that Ican walk into that's about three
miles from the.
From the truck that will.
That will get me away from all the.
The people.
Yeah, but.

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And far enough back in therewhere I'll basically have it to myself,
so.
Oh, that's nice.
They've had some.
They've got some cameras insome of those areas that we've been.
We've been looking at.
So it's not like I'm going intotally blind, which is kind of cool.
Right.
But it's, you know, it's.
It's going to be aninteresting experience, so we'll
see how it goes.
I mean, then we're going tospend a couple, three days on what
they call dough days back there.

(50:51):
Y.
You guys are familiar withthat, but sure.
They have days of.
The days of the week that arespecifically dedicated to dough hunts.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
So we're going to spend sometime on private property doing dough
days and going to do some,some, some game management, which
buys me an extra buck tag, so.

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Well, there you go.
Bonus tag.
Yep.
I think they call it earn,earn a buck or whatever, but you
fill your dough tag or doughtags, whatever, and then they provide
you with a, an extra buck tag.
I think that's how it works.
Right, Right.
Yep.
So.
Well, brother, it sounds likeyou've had a, an amazing year of
memories though, helping otherpeople out for your stuff and.

(51:34):
Oh yeah, I dig it.
I mean, especially, you know,being nearly 55, being able to get
out and do that with the kidsand do that with friends and stuff
is, is invaluable.
Oh, yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Well, I get back fromVirginia, we'll have my oak hunt.
So I have my December blackpowder muzzleloader hunt.
That's my, that's my freezer meat.

(51:54):
So I got a week off for thatkind of vacation time before I retire.
That's kind of like my dad did.
He, he was like, bucket, I'mjust going to use all my sick time.
I'm going to take some mentalhealth leave, burn that time and
get paid for it all and thenI'm just going to retire at the end
of it.
Some of the same.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to dosome of the same.
Yeah.
I will say though, the cityhas been pretty good to me as far

(52:17):
as that goes.
They're going to allow me totake some lead at the end of.
So I'm retiring on the 1st,but they're going to give me some
time after the first and keepme on the book so I can, I can go
to the doctor, do some stuffand actually get some stuff taken
care of.
That's a legit department.
Yeah, they've been pretty cooland that way too, that I can focus

(52:37):
on, on working and helping outand training and doing some stuff
before I leave.
Yeah.
You know, not, not have toworry about going to the doctor and
like that.
So they've been really good tome in this place, so I got no, no,
no complaints.
Before we let you go, how'syour show?
Are you doing the podcast still?
Last I checked, it's been a minute.
We.
It's been a minute.

(52:57):
So just kind of a life update.
So you guys know a little bitof it.
But so just a quick rewind andnot to bore your, your listeners
with it, but we, my wife tooka job as a principal at a school
in the northern part of thestate, so we pretty much sold everything
and moved and I've beencommuting back and forth, a two hour
commute.
So yes, it sucks.

(53:19):
So.
So basically now I've got tothe point where I'm staying here
and in the city I work inuntil I retire and I'm going home
on the weekends when I'm.
When I have some time off.
So that's kind of how it'sworking right now.
And it's just been betweenmoving and hunting season, starting
and trying to this, not the other.
And it's some things that to give.
And so basically we put it.

(53:39):
We finished the 10 episodesfor the first season and then I'm
going to do 10 episodes forseason two and then we'll kind of.
We're going to do that.
That rotation for a bit andthen once I've got my, my kind of
get my groove post retirement,I'll probably be able to be a little
bit longer in terms of the airquote season.
Yeah.
But I'm gonna do a show back east.

(54:00):
I'm bringing my equipment withme in a little pelican case and so
I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a, abroadcast when we're back there.
Oh, that'd be cool.
From, from Virginia.
So.
Yeah.
Nice.
Well, so we have that to lookforward to.
What, what's the name of yourshow again?
So people can look you up andlisten to your old ones and start
getting ready for your new ones.
Yep.

(54:20):
The Twilight Hunters podcast.
And it's really a show that'sdedicated for those of us that are
kind of older and doing a longtime and trying to pass it along,
pass the skills and the, theexperiences on to those that are
younger and just getting into it.
Awesome, man.
Well, brother, thanks forbeing a part brother.
Thank you being my friend andthanks for calling in, man.

(54:42):
Yeah, it's good to be back.
Sorry I've been so long, guys.
Just how kind of life went.
Oh, no, yeah, it's all good.
You get a pat.
All right, brother.
Appreciate it, boys.
All right, you take care.
See you, buddy.
You too, guys.
All right.
Oh, man, I can't believe we'veknown him now for a good part of

(55:02):
a year now.
Yeah, it's something, man.
Yeah, it flies, man.
And do.
And we did it from doing this, dude.
This is another part of why Iwant to do it.
Meeting people across thecountry and building relationships
with people like that andconnection to it, it's so much fun,
man.
It's got its ups and downs andyou get people like Michael, you

(55:24):
try to get like get dog offyour boot.
I know.
I Just never shake it.
He just, you know, he sticksand sticks and sticks.
Just doesn't come out.
Look, it's all he does iscomment about himself and.
How long have you known me for?
I'm like.
I don't know.
I wish it was, too.
It was probably to forget.
Yeah.
It's been so long, you see.
Yeah, he's.

(55:44):
You've met me, too.
Jeez.
You know, it's like.
It's like Chuck.
He's like Chucky.
You know, like, he.
He just keeps, like, coming back.
He could park a bulldozer onhim and just, you know, like those.
Jason for he.
Yeah, that's what he is.
He's like, in one episode, youkill him, and then, like, next one,
he magically, like, how in theworld did he, like, come back?

(56:06):
And from, like, beingdecapitated and all this other.
Yeah, and that's Michael.
He just.
No matter what, he's just there.
I never knew I.
Such harassment from Robber room.
I mean, little tykes, littletykes, little tykes, harassment,
you know, I mean, it's like.

(56:27):
It's like herp.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like herpes.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Especially, you know, it'sjust like.
There's not even a cream forhim, you know, you can't even just,
like, get rid of them, you know?
Oh, Michael, you know, we loveyou, man.
I'm still thinking about it.

(56:49):
I'm on the fence with that one.
You're on the fence about it?
That's right.
Yeah.
Michael, actually, how.
I'm Now I'm curious.
It's got to been a year nowyou've been a fan of the show or
part of the brotherhood.
It's got to be a year.
Yeah, right.
It is.
It's about a year.
It has to be.
Yeah.
Because he was.
I officially started this last.

(57:10):
I didn't start this last year.
Started the year before.
Yeah.
Did I start this in 2024 again?
Yeah, yeah.
I got on with.
I started in January of 2024.
Yeah.
And then I think Michael camealong around.
Was it February of this year?

(57:32):
January or February?
Yeah.
It's been a long fucking time.
We're going on 2024.
It was two years.
Two years in January onceJanuary comes in 2026.
Been two years fully doingthis thing.
It's been very traumatizing,but I know.
It'S been traumatizing to me.
I gotta come on here.

(57:54):
I can't say anything bad aboutyou, but you're Mr.
Reliable.
But I gotta have you on the show.
I gotta see You Every Sundayand Tuesday.
Oh no.
Horrible.
I've had to see Dave once in a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Johnny.
If you ever shows the up.
Johnny.
Johnny just gives a.
About his paranormal, you know?

(58:15):
Yeah.
He's like all.
I saw an alien.
After I drank a bottle of gin.
He raped me.
And then.
And then there was the time Iwas in my car and there I was in
the Michigan triangle and.
And then the.
The gingerbread man came outof the woods.

(58:38):
Gingerbread man was in my saddle.
He was in my saddle.
The one morning I. I saw himand he ran away screaming and yelling
and.
And then I saw the puppy man.
Yeah.
Then there was the marshmallow man.
You seen the muffin man?
Yeah, the muffin man.
The muffin man.

(58:58):
Yeah.
The muffin man.
That's Johnny's next show on.
On the creepiness of thewoodsy outdoors, whatever the heck
it's called.
Johnny runs into the muffin man.
The muffin man went missingfor 15 years and then he showed up
in Michigan and he had a bigvibrating cookie.

(59:25):
Stay tuned.
It's Johnny Nitro brings youdetails from the crypt.
The gingerbread vibratingcookie of.
John goes.
Yeah.
Episode two.
He.
He wakes up in.
In freaking Massachusetts witha vibrating cookie somewhere it shouldn't
be.

(59:45):
And he wonders how it got there.
I'm just really tired.
I don't know why.
I don't know why I'm pickingon John, but I'm picking on John
because I can't.
You know what's weird?
No, I'll say this before.
Vibrator in his cook in his cookie.

(01:00:08):
We have been.
Like I said, we've been doingthis for a while now.
October was.
Has been our best month so farwhen it comes to downloads.
And you know what I've noticedthat we bring on guests.
We're legit when we act like.
I don't want to say legit, butwe ask them like legit questions,
in my opinion.
But then we do shows where weliterally just talk about the most

(01:00:29):
randomest about hunting.
And then we go off for about20 minutes about the Muffman man.
We're off the hook.
We can take a wicked turn atany time.
Lose our serious for a goodhalf hour in the next half hour talking
about.
I mean it could go on and onand on.

(01:00:50):
But that's what makes usquirky and that's what makes people
watch us because we're not sofreaking humdrum, you know?
And today we've got Dildo bob on.
There's 570kill of a deer.
And he's going to tell you howhe did it for a 788th time.
Well, Bill usually goes out,puts tank 69 between his legs and
rubs it so it makes friction.
So the heated scent travelsthrough the woods in an easterly

(01:01:13):
direction.
And he climbs down and getshis deer for the 100th time, like
he always does, and blah,blah, blah.
And before he gets out of histruck, he blinks seven times, looking
to the left and looking to theright, and then he.
His wife's thong for goodluck, you know, when he goes out.
I mean, you know, not.
I don't bash people or reallycare what other people do.

(01:01:33):
I mean, that's their thing.
But if you really watch a lotof the stuff it starts out with.
Well, today's show issponsored by jal, you know, and it's
like, then they get into itand Mike.
And Mike, what did you do?
Well, you know, I was on thisbuck for three and a half hours today.
It's the same crap where yougot us.
We're just off the freakingcharts, man.

(01:01:53):
We don't care.
And we're not going to comeout here in the first 20 minutes
of the show either of selling you.
Oh, like we work with xop, wework with Magnus, we work with rec,
we work with Boaz, and knowingme wrong, go check those products
out.
If they work great for you,they work great for you.
We have things that work forus individually on the team, but
we're not going to come out here.
And for the first 20 minutes,30 minutes of the podcast we're talking

(01:02:17):
about.
All right, use this code atXOP and you can get this and that
and, And I'm like, holy God.
I don't like.
Thank you.
You can say that in betweenthe show, as it goes on do.
At the end, we do it the waywe do it.
Because I listen to podcasthunting podcast shows and I'm just
like, just shut the up alreadyand just get to the show already.

(01:02:38):
Yeah, I mean, if you guys wantto see, it's all down there, like
right in front of us.
Who's even in the links are inthe description of every show.
So I mean, and you know what?
It's not like we forget about them.
I mean, we, we, we get into it.
We say we use this or we usethat or I was using this product
or whatever.
Yeah, it's, it's a complimentto the stuff that we use that we

(01:03:02):
appreciate from who we'regetting it from.
And you know, it's the sameThing with my Instagram channel,
People know who they are, whoI like and who I support, and who
I get behind.
You know, Frank's slowlybecoming a slow second off the list
if he doesn't start showing upfor shows.
But Frank is on the.
On the list.
Yeah, he's on the.
He's on the list right now,especially after I just fixed his

(01:03:23):
bow for him.
So.
Yeah.
And Dave's on, like, atemporary leave, so we're gonna give
him a little bit of a graceperiod here.
But, Frank, you're new.
You're flirting on thin ice.
Yeah, he's flirting withdisaster, man.
Yeah.
Better show up.
Yeah.
He has been showing up in thecomments a little bit more on the.
The group text.
We have shamed him into that,at least.

(01:03:45):
Yeah, he's.
He's worse than me now, sothat's a surprise there.
He's running a close second.
Yeah.
I mean, surprisingly, theother morning at, like, quarter to
five, I think Brett chimed inabout something, and I was like,
well, this must be a freakinghack or something got in here, because
this guy's not ever up thisearly talking to us about, you know,
and I think you were askingwhere your milk was or.

(01:04:07):
Yeah, can you go back to sleep?
I don't know.
It was some kind of text likethat, but, I mean, you know, it was
just one of those things.
So.
Michael will do this.
He says, can my new company.
I am almost done creating and wa.
Connect.
I haven't told anybody thename of it.
If you want, I will tell you.

(01:04:28):
I trust you, Brett.
Wow, that's a lot.
You're trusting me with that shit.
It's like, are you.
I think he's got, like.
Like, company.
Yeah, it's like.
It's like hot littletykes.comor something.
Or Little Tykes Go Wild, youknow, join Michael as he goes on

(01:04:51):
his adventure for the firsttime in play school, to hook up with
hot chicks off their freakingtricycles and then press them with
the new toy he got from, youknow, Toys R Us.
And whatever he does.
I. I don't know.
I. I don't know.
It's.
You know, it's either that orhe's selling, like.
I don't know, like, what dothey do?
Like, fun vibrating cookies.

(01:05:12):
No, no, no.
Vibrating cookies from Michael.
He's too young.
But I. I think he's probablydoing something along the lines of
maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe, like, cookies and stuff.
Raising stuff for his.
Maybe his ball.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a lemonade stand.
It's gotta be a lemonade stand.
He's getting little tykes lemonade.
That's it.
Yeah.

(01:05:32):
You hit it.
Little tykes lemonade.
Come down along dialing andget some fresh lemonade, or we'll
rub you out because we're inthe mafia.
What the have we been doingthe last 20 minutes?
Finny boom bots come down andget some lemonade from.
From the little python.
Michael, are you talkingabout, like your own hunting content

(01:05:54):
page?
I don't.
I'll ask you this before weclose it out for tonight, because
we've been talking for likethe last 20, 25 minutes.
The most random as.
So I'm sure people are like, what's.
Are we end the show soon, Dr.Phil, you know?
Yeah, answer that question, Michael.
And then we're going to beclosing out for the night.
He's probably.

(01:06:15):
He probably got.
He probably just got grounded.
Probably.
Yeah.
Is this like a hunting contentpage or the little tykes lemonade
stand?
I got my.
I grew my first pubic hair.
It's called go yourself.
Oh, okay.
Well, that's what it is then.
All right.
I guess that's what it is.
Yourself.
Yep.
It's about Michael and hisadventures with himself.

(01:06:38):
His vibrating cookie.
Watch.
It's been awesome.
I know.
As always.
As always, it's always a blastwhen you come on.
First, we'll start with you.
How can people reach out to you?
And.
Well, if you don't know bynow, I'm gonna say, what, you can
just go yourself.
But nah, you know, Instagramhit me up and outdoors and more to

(01:06:59):
Squatch, the YouTube channelthat I do nothing with on here.
Always the Frank and Squatchshow with the other half.
The guy that sometimes showsup when he wants to from New Jersey
Frank.
And that's about it.
How would they find you?
You find me by finding me.
Simple as that.
I see.
No, as you guys all know, wedo live shows.

(01:07:23):
If you don't know theschedule, learn the schedule.
Bring a quarter.
Bring a quarter.
Recording the slot machine.
If you really have anyquestions, reach out to any one of
us on our social media.
I have no problem getting myphone number to you guys.
If you have any questionslegitly for that stuff, you want
to be a guest on the show.
I know I haven't said this ina while.
If you want to be a guest onthe show, reach out to us.

(01:07:44):
I don't know.
I don't know why you wouldwant to be.
But you can also submit arequest on our way.
Our.
Our website whitetailadvantage.com.
check out our merch there too.
We have links on there as wellfor my Squatchy Frank stuff as well.
During the hunting season, ourepisodes get released Mondays and

(01:08:04):
Wednesday.
I don't know.
I'm all over the place.
I'm tired.
It's been a long.
Me too.
I'm tired too.
It's been.
Our episodes get releasedevery Monday and Wednesday basically
at 5am Eastern time.
Every other Tuesday though, ismost likely during the hunting season.
It's either gonna be theFranken Squatch show or Johnny Show
Mysteries in the timber.
I got probed by an alien.

(01:08:26):
Yeah.
Squatch's next show, theFranken Squatch show.
Their next show is up on Tuesday.
And the good news though, ifyou guys don't know about it yet,
I'm not the host on those show.
I. I get invited sometimes.
Maybe I've only been invitedso far at one time on Johnny's show.
Yeah, I'm just a guest.
I'm just a glorified princessup there.

(01:08:46):
If they want me there.
Yeah, you are.
Other than that, I'm just.
It's their show, so they dowhat they want.
I just give them the tools ofwhat the help they want for their.
So right.
Squatch, your next show iscoming up on Tuesday.
Mm, it is.
And that's election day.
Yeah.
So it's gonna be interesting.
We'll see.

(01:09:06):
We'll see.
We're working on some stufffor that.
I got some ideas.
I think we're gonna get atopic of do lighted knocks.
Make your deer react beforethey're shot.
We're starting to notice apattern here.
Michael just said, brett,please be on.
I want you on.
You know how you were talkingabout earlier about my comments with

(01:09:28):
the saddle?
Sound really homophobic.
He's homo.
That.
That sounds really.
Yeah.
He's also put in a request forhis saddle to be rainbow color.
So I don't know.
He wants to fly high and proud.
So I guess that's what he'sgonna have.

(01:09:48):
Well, I'm excited for yourshow, man.
I'm excited for your show.
Hopefully if.
Hey, if Frank doesn't show up.
Yeah, I'll have you on.
Just text me and I can come onthe show and.
Right.
But you gotta kind of like.
You gotta kind of like.
You gotta be more like Frankif you're gonna be on the show as
Frank.
So you gotta kind of have likethat jersey, like giddy up.

(01:10:09):
Hitch in your step like when you.
Come on and have you heard ofthe Boners podcast.
No, you gotta check it out.
I can't remember his nameright now.
He's the host of it.
I think his name is Eric.
I can't remember but when Ilisten to his their show he sounds,
I kid you not like just like Frank.
No, I turn it on.

(01:10:29):
I'm like when the did Frankbecome the host of that show too?
He might said his name.
I was like, well that's not him.
No, I'm telling Frank.
I. I'll send you like anepisode of theirs.
And I, I kid you not.
If you would think it wasFrank, I believe it.
All right, we're at an hour 15.

(01:10:50):
Let's get the hell out of here.
I gotta go to sleep.
Than.
Thank you everyone.
Please go.
Slime machine Squatch la Outwith a prayer.
Father God, we thank you foreverybody who's tuned in, who's going
to tune in, and who paysattention to this silly show we're
all a part of.
And we thank you for yourblessings, the ones that you've given

(01:11:10):
us and the ones that are to come.
Yet we ask that you would keepus all safe during this hunting season.
Lord God most of all, grant usour wishes that we would come in
contact with our trophies andbe able to procure them.
And most of all, God blesseach and every one of us who've tuned
in, took a place in this show.
And as always, Lord, we thankyou and we haven't forget what you

(01:11:32):
created.
And as always, friends, shoot straight.
God bless.
The party's over.
Whitetail Advantage is out.
Have a good night.
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the Whitetail
Advantage podcast.

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We hope you enjoyed the showand we will see you next time.