December 8, 2025 • 53 mins
We're diving into the heart of hunting in this episode, where we tackle the ups and downs of the season, and trust me, it's been a rollercoaster! Rhett and Johnny chat about why they haven't been cranking out as many episodes lately, and it's all about family time during the holidays—because let's be real, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year’s can turn into a scheduling nightmare! We also share some personal hunting tales, including a close encounter with a big buck that got away and the lessons learned along the way. Plus, we dish out some witty banter about gear, with Rhett’s impressive bow setup and Johnny's newfound love for duck hunting. So grab your favorite drink, settle in, and join us for a laid-back chat that feels just like hunting with your buddies.
Takeaways:
- The hosts remind listeners that family comes first, especially during the busy holiday season.
- They share humorous anecdotes about their hunting experiences, highlighting the ups and downs of the season.
- There's an emphasis on the importance of investing in quality gear for hunting, as it ensures better performance.
- Listeners are encouraged to embrace the hunting lifestyle, not just talk about it, and to appreciate the support from the community.
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(00:02):
Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage Podcast with your host,
Rhett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
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What is up, everybody?
We are back.
It's been a while, Johnny, man.
It's been a little bit.
Yeah, that's for sure.
I mean, but I understand somany people out there might be a
little upset, like, oh, whyaren't they putting a lot of live
shows out there?
Why aren't they putting out alot, A little bit more extra episodes?
What's going on?
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Also, you gotta remember,guys, we love you guys.
We support, we thank you,everyone that supports the show and
this and that.
But I also gotta remember, wedo a lot of shows throughout the
year, and we always say onthis show here, it's we.
It's family first.
And these are the last, like,three months of the year where it's
like, all right, we want tokind of put a little time in, more,
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focus on more of our ourselfat mine and peace with our hunting.
We still do shows throughoutthe hunting season, but you also,
we have Thanksgiving, and thenwe have Christmas, and then we have
New Year's.
I mean, these kind of justkind of stack on top of each other.
And because we put a lot oftime throughout the year, we.
We don't do a lot of episodesthroughout these last two to three
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months of the year.
So I just want to kind of,like, say that there of.
We appreciate you guys.
Just kind of like, all right,taking a second look.
Take a step back and look atthe grand scheme of the schedule
that we do here, because we doa lot, at least in my opinion.
I know I do a lot of my stuff.
I do a lot of stuff on theback end.
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But, yeah, I just wanted tosay that point and I have a lot of
other things I want to say,too, but I'm just going to leave
it at that.
So let's do a show on whatgrinds Brett's gears.
So that.
That was all the good stuffthat you got going on.
Now tell us what really grindsyour gears, Brett.
Grind my gears is, man, I, I.Oh, okay, now you're gonna.
(02:09):
You're gonna open up a can of worm.
Like, I don't give two.
I don't give two shits if you're.
Black, white, left, right,politically wise.
I don't care if you're straight.
I don't care if you're gay.
I don't give a what.
I don't.
I, I just don't care.
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I'm not gonna judge you off ofthat stuff.
As long as you wave theAmerican flag at the end of the day,
that's what I care about the most.
Now I'm gonna drop the.
Out of you, though, the wayyou behave, though.
I'm gonna tell you that.
So I'm just gonna.
I'm just gonna say that I have.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I don't apologize either.
So just say that now.
Well, Brett, it's December 7th.
It's, you know, D day.
It's that day.
So if you didn't know, there'syour history lesson of the day.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
So the season's wrapping upDecember 7th, right?
Yeah, seventh.
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Yeah.
At about what, three weeksleft to hunt?
A little bit?
Pretty much, yeah.
Yeah.
So how's your season been?
Ups, downs?
How's it been, brother?
Let's say.
I think I probably.
I probably would have ratherhave gone through a giant cactus,
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being pulled like through 100yards worth of cacti, and I'm sure
that probably would have beena lot more enjoyable than the hunting
season I had this year.
It was brutal, man.
I mean, I did some selffilming, so I'll be releasing some
of those videos here as timegoes on and kind of showing my ups
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and downs and the strugglesthat I had this year.
It was.
I. I'm just telling you, I'm so.
As you know, I don't gun hunt.
So I basically burn all a lotof my PTO that I set aside for hunting
season.
I allocate that pretty muchall the way through from October
1st to November 14th.
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Yep.
And that's.
After that, I'm pretty much done.
I can only really hunt on theweekends if I can get the time.
I did a lot of things.
I did saddle hunting this year.
I'm just trying to do a quickrecap of things.
And it.
We kind of had a bad run withEHD on the property.
Tried coming out to your place.
Thank you again.
I know it's public land, butthank you for inviting me to come
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out there.
Hunt where you hunt out there.
Had a lot of ups and downswith saddle hunting.
I know from talking to you,there's a lot of things I can be
working on.
A lot of things I'm going tobe kind of.
I've already been making likea sheet of like.
All right, I want to get this now.
Season, this, this, and thisand this.
Oh, yeah.
Kind of start preparing.
Yeah.
And after deer season, itbecomes shopping season.
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And that's.
I made a list and I sent tothe wife And I sent it to my parents.
Like, hey, if you're gonna getme something, make sure you order
this exact thing in thisquantity and this size.
And I set URLs with it too.
Like, don't deviate from this.
Make it simple.
Exactly, man.
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No, but I'll say this, I loveXOP and I.
And, but I think what I've learned.
I'll say this real quick.
I'm not a single panel guy.
I have lower back problems.
I need a little bit more support.
I think xop, they are killingit in the mobile saddle.
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I said this in.
This, in the group, in ourgroup text.
I think they're killing it inthe hybrid system with the lightweight.
The lightweight of things.
The.
Their sticks, they're amazing.
I think their, their treestands are amazing as well.
I don't have them.
But just seeing them and talkand listening to Dave talk about
them and show us his videos,they got that stuff set up.
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But they're just.
I think they need a little bitmore time.
I know they're new.
I think they still have a lotof growing up to do in a saddle wise.
I think just looking atthings, there's a lot of things from
Latitude that I'm going to belooking at.
Yeah.
Because there are, there arehere in Michigan.
I do support a lot of Michiganhomegrown companies and I think there's
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one thing that I'm going to belooking at with them.
I think they're killing itwith the saddle here.
I think they're really doingthat with a lot of things.
I prefer XOP sticks though.
I love the standoff and all that.
But.
Oh yeah.
I'm going on a long ways.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to.
There's.
So it was November.
I want to say this real quick.
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It was November.
It was a Monday.
The, the week of Veterans Day,the 10th or 9th, some shit like that,
I don't remember.
Anyways, it was raining andsnowing the.
On Sunday and then it wasdoing the same thing again on, on
Monday.
And I take the two weeks ofNovember off and I got out there
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a little bit later than Iwanted to, but it was probably around
4 or 5 o'.
Clock.
Things were starting to pick up.
I was out there, got aroundout there around 11, nothing happening
till about 4 or 5 o' clock andthings just start running around,
just does.
And these little spike fuckerswere just running around and everything,
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just chasing them and everything.
I'm like, well, this is great.
I'm having a lot of fun.
But like, where are all thegood bucks?
It's like fun to watch, don'tget me wrong.
But I'm like, give mesomething that I might get a chance
to shoot at.
So I'm sitting in my treestand and I'm hearing these.
These does.
And I hear in this buck doingthat little grunt noise that he's
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doing, chasing this one buck,this one doe.
So I'm facing this way, and asI'm looking this way, to give you
kind of perspective, it go in10 yard, about 10 yards in front
of me.
It's straight.
And then it goes deer up.
Straight up a hill and snow.
So I can see a long ways.
Yeah.
But at the crest of it, I sawthis deer coming and I couldn't tell
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what it was.
I could see that it was a buckand it was a.
It was a decent looking one,but I couldn't tell exactly.
It was like, don't want toshoot this one.
But granted, if it had, likeanything out to like a spread, I
was going to shoot it at thispoint in the year.
Right.
But dude.
So as he got to the crest ofthe hill, he's running right at me,
like along the trail because he.
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Yeah.
So, like, I'm here and he'srunning up the trail this way towards
me.
I didn't grab my bow becausein my mind, I'm curious to see if
you would have done the same thing.
This is what we were talkingabout earlier.
Yeah.
I didn't grab my bow becausehe has a plain sight right at me.
Granted, I can tell that hisnose is on the ground looking for
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does.
Yeah.
And he's gone hunt on that.
I didn't want to take the riskjust yet of grabbing my boat real
quick because then I had tograb it and turn around like this
and swing around the tree.
Because of how close it was tothe tree and it was on the right
side, I figured, all right, ifI can get him to this point right.
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Like, right to the side of me,I could get a chance to grab it real
quick and pull it into mychest and then figure out what's
going to happen next.
And if he goes up this traillike I predicted he.
I wanted him to do, I couldget a shot off at 20, 21 yards.
Yeah.
And be golden.
He's getting closer and closer.
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And I'm like, this buck is huge.
He's got spread.
He didn't have a lot of mass,but he had spread and some heights
to it.
I'm guessing he was close to150 inch deer.
And I tell everyone whenyou're in a tree stand, you gotta
be thinking of a bunch ofdifferent scenarios.
Like the most off the wall, man.
And I've thought of a scenariowhere if I was sitting in a tree
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and a deer came and got behindthis tree and then he actually went
up the hill and to the left.
I know it's hard to visualize.
I always thought to myself,what if a deer actually did this?
Like he came from the hill andthen he got to like this little,
small, little tree behind it,waited there and said, fuck it.
I'm gonna go up to the north alittle bit up this little side hill
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and walk across the littlehill and then just walk to the west
and just do that.
Yeah, sure.
As I thought of that scenariolike what, four or five years ago
and thought to myself, there'sno way a deer is just going to randomly
do that, especially in the rut.
Like, what are the odds ofthis fucking happening?
Because they're going to theirminds after pussy.
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There ain't no way they'regoing to do it.
And what the fuck happens?
This fucker gets behind thatone tree and does exactly what I
thought would happen if thisscenario I thought of, yeah, went
up the side of the hill, gotbehind it.
Now the problem was I couldn'ttell the depth from.
I knew the tree that he wasbehind was about 27 yards.
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Okay.
It was hard to tell the depthof how he far he was from the tree
to where he was at.
So I couldn't really get agood distance.
I finally was able to arrangehim at 32, but he kept moving and
I couldn't, he just, justkept, was just speed walking out
of there.
And at that point I'm like,well, there goes my fucking season.
Just a big giant fuck you.
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Oh man.
And I just keep replaying inmy head of that first 10 to 15 yards
where he, I saw him coming offthe base of that hill, coming up
towards me to grab my bow or not.
Because even if he got beforethat little, small, little sapling
tree in front of him to wherehe stopped, I'd be pushing a shot
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that would have been really ofa tight angle of like quartering
towards me.
Like it would have been, itwould have been who I want to like
say it.
So I'm like basically facingthe deer.
Like we're basically face toface and he just started tilting
a little bit.
You're basically shooting fromthe front left shoulder going to
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be going out his ass almost.
Yeah, you're you're looking atlike a, almost a full frontal.
Yeah.
Like it was that type of anangle type of shot.
And I was like, even then I'dlike, do I even want to take the
risk of doing that shot if it,if it gets to that point?
So I guess my question is for you.
Would you have grabbed yourbow or not?
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Because I've told that storyto other hunters that I've come across
in person and I've told youguys this story, but not in full
depth.
So I'm curious.
Yeah.
To see if what you would have done.
I would have had.
Have been there.
So starting off in your story,you know, he's coming down, he's
got his nose to the ground.
I would have taken thatopportunity to grab my bow.
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I mean, but you're wide open.
Yep, I would have.
He's in your direct.
His view is in your direction.
You're like, yep.
But with his nose down to the ground.
Focus on that right now.
And I would, I would judge it.
You know, I'd make that slowinitial move and just, okay, keep
inching.
If you notice, you stop andwait for that next opportunity.
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I mean, that being said, whatyou did wasn't wrong at all.
I mean, but I would have.
You also gotta remember, I'mkind of like a rookie bow hunter
here because I didn't bowhunt, you know, in my 20s at all.
I just got into it in my mid-30s.
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So I, I would have played thatmaybe dumb luck move and start, start
doing it, you know?
Yeah.
No, I mean that and everythingis like a self judgment call.
You're, you're in that tree.
If you did that warm and fuzzyfeeling where, you know, you can
make that draw or that, youknow, go for your bow and make it
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happen.
Yeah, do it.
But if you know deep down inyour gut that you can't do it.
Yeah, there's nothing wrongwith that.
I was, I guess I'm kind ofexaggerating the angle of the shot.
I mean, it still would havebeen a good shot.
It would have been pushing it,at least for me.
I would have probably takenthe shot thinking to myself, I could,
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I can make this shot.
I can make this a lethal shot too.
But it's, I guess it was thefact of, oh, shit.
Moment of here's a giant deer.
Like, I haven't seen a deer ofthat caliber since I shot Fish Hook
a couple years ago.
And he was doing the samething that like Fish Hook was doing.
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And Fish Hook, once he, oncehe saw me he never took his eyes
off of me.
Yeah.
And he went.
Was.
He was going behind trees.
He'd look down and look backup at me.
I finally said, fuck it.
And I pulled back when he waslooking away towards the.
To where the doe came.
And I said, fuck it.
At this point, it's now or never.
Yeah, but with this one.
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And I keep telling myself,maybe you should have tried, but
I. I can't.
I think in.
In the moment, I thought tomyself for a split second, I much
rather take the chance of himgoing just a little bit past me before
I can get to my bow becausethen I can move around quickly and
get to the spot.
Right?
Yeah.
I can get the sh.
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And at least I thought.
And I thought to myself, atleast I'm giving myself more of a
chance to get a shot off.
If I go from my bow right now,I'm thinking myself he could see
me.
And I just blew my opportunityof maybe getting a shot off because
I. I thought of that scenariowhere he got.
Where a deer got to this pointon the trail and they.
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I don't know.
He never.
He didn't smell me, he didn'tsee me, nothing because I didn't
move one fucking bit.
Obviously something in himsaid, you know what?
It.
I'm gonna go up this littlehill and then just say it and then
we're gonna go this way.
Yeah, Like.
I think that's more of thereason why I didn't do it.
Because like I said, I much rather.
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I'd rather have theopportunity to maybe get a shot off
than me than to rush it.
Rush it, Rush it.
And make him accidentally seeme or make a small movement to where
he's like, you know, I don'tlike this.
And go off because we.
I haven't seen a doe in my area.
They've been around me like,like, like 100 yards around me, but
nothing like right on top of me.
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Yeah.
It's hard to say.
I think.
I don't know.
I'm just.
I'm pissed because.
Just wants to be a little dude.
No, I did it, man, because.
Yeah.
And it's been a tough season, man.
I mean, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's.
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It started off slow, that'sfor sure.
But hey, on the bright side,you did shoot a doe.
Yeah, I did shoot one.
It was a fucked up one.
And I shot it in the face andit only came back 55 pounds.
But hey, that's your first doethat you shot though, right?
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That have shot and recovered?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now you have something tostep up the game with.
Maybe you're done killing big bucks.
Maybe you have now move on to does.
So you shot that littleyearling may or may not have had
spots.
Maybe next fall or even this season.
You still have time, man.
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Shoot.
Good point.
Shoot like a yearling doe outof spots.
A little bit more weight.
I mean.
Yeah, I mean, we all gotta start.
I started off with like asmall four pointer as my first buck.
Well, I officially, as ofyesterday, shot my first spike, so
that was pretty cool.
I saw that.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
So wait, I thought you already.
I thought you already.
Excuse me, I thought youalready shot a bug.
So did you.
You.
Is that correct?
Yep.
Yeah, I shot a bid 7 onVeterans Day, actually.
Same day you were complaining about.
And then.
Oh, did you use that?
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What was it that I used?
I used the four point restricted.
Yeah.
I was going to say, becausethat's what a lot of hunters in Michigan
do.
They'll use that four point onone side and.
Yep.
Yeah.
So I was.
I think it's a little cheat around.
Yeah.
I was lucky enough to use that.
And then I used.
I thought he was a giant doeat first.
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So that's the only reason I shot.
And I walked up to him and Iwas like, oh, little spikes.
So that was pretty cool.
Yeah.
I'm gonna do a Euro mount andput him on the wall.
That's cool.
That's kind of like what TedNugent did.
I think he did that with his.
It was a button buck.
Yeah.
Or it was a spike.
It was something similar toyour story.
Nope.
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And, yeah, I mean, I've beencutting them up all day.
We had loins and bat strapslast night out of them.
So that's good.
I saw the photos.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
It was fun time.
Yeah.
That's cool.
You got to do it with yourkids, too.
That's something.
So we were actually icefishing right beforehand.
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Yeah.
And I was like, kids are cold.
That's.
Let's go out and do a littlebit of deer hunting real quick.
So I was only out there just afew minutes and walked out, checked
some of my cameras and cameback and walking out there, he was
just.
Or there was a doe standing there.
But I couldn't shoot becausethere's a house right behind her.
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And I stared at her forprobably 10 minutes.
Yeah.
And then she looked away andthis big.
Well, I thought he was a doecame out.
I was like, no, probably 15yards shot him.
Then he turned and ran righttowards me.
So I Had to put another roundin him and shot him right in the
net and dropped him right there.
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And it was 40, 50 yards fromthe truck.
It was a nice, nice easy night.
Yeah.
You're just like, all right,it's right there next to the truck.
Bucket lift.
There we go.
Carry him out.
So.
Oh man.
It was one of those where Iwas like, I've got about 20 minutes
to hunt.
We're already right here.
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Come on, kids, let's go do this.
And they wanted.
That's what kind of makesthose little hunts, like.
What's the word?
I want to.
Exciting.
It's exciting.
It's.
And when it just happens likethat, like I. I've had this buck
actually on my trail camerathat morning making a scrape.
Yeah.
And I was like, this son of a.
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This little kid here.
And I told my cousins, I'mlike, hey, he's gonna come back today
and he's gonna work that spot over.
So you might want to sit thereand hunt him.
And they were.
And I walked back and walkingout and he just stepped out and I
shot him.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I thought it was agiant doe.
I ended up taking up theentire back of my truck.
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And it was a big deer.
I think.
What was it that happened tomy dad two years ago?
I think it was.
He thought he was shooting adough, but ended up being a spike
too.
Yep.
Like he didn't see the.
The antlers or whatever.
I was like, really?
He goes, yeah, I just thoughtit was a big ass dough.
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That's what happened to me.
I shot and I just looked upand I started laughing.
I'm like, he's going on the wall.
He's gonna be a Euro mount.
Yeah.
But I'm gonna throw them up onthe wall.
And with a little plaque.
I was 40, almost 43 years oldwhen I shot my first spike.
I haven't shot a spike yet.
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I almost did this year becauseI wanted to meet.
I was gonna say effort.
Yeah.
I.
Well, I think my first dough,you could consider like it's by.
Because it was like a.
It was like it had thecurvature of like it was a.
It was a spike.
But then it like grew up intolike little fork points.
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I cut the like forkers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they were like small.
If I remember right.
It's been a minute.
Because the amounts at myparents house and we, we always do
like, like you're a mount.
Hang on, let me get this real quick.
Yeah.
All right.
So now that it's just us, weall know who the real talent is.
Go ahead and join me Tuesday,actually December 9th or Mysteries
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in the timber.
G. Be a great show.
Here he comes back.
Don't you fall.
All right, hang on.
I'm.
Take the time.
Don't you fall off the damn thing.
So for those listening viewersout, you know, listening to this.
Brett is playing with a stall.
It's actually a year amountthat he has.
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Yeah, well, I'll probably fix.
I'll fix it kind of came offthere a little bit at the end, but
here is one of mine.
Nice.
So what we generally like todo is.
And you can't see it.
Well, I'll hold it up.
There's my Magnus broadheadfrom the year I got.
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It was like 2019.
I shot this year.
Yeah.
Nice, man.
Nothing fancy, but we love, welove doing European mounts.
It's.
It's our.
I really like them.
I think they're very uniqueand we put this on a plaque, but
we generally.
Yeah, put the holder upagainst the wall and it's fun to
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just kind of take them up andoff and it's kind of like cool to
hang in, like hold them.
I like that.
I think it's a little bit cooler.
Oh yeah.
Doing the.
Compared to doing the shoulder mounts.
Those are nice for like Thosereally like 140s and above type world
class deer.
Like that?
Yeah.
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Like those ones.
Those ones are cool, but Ithink even it would be hard.
No, I won't say that.
I. I just love your PMOs.
They just look so cool.
They're.
The uniqueness of it is.
Is great.
I love them.
Yeah, I've got.
So I sent one out to attachdermis to get done because I've never,
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never done one.
And I'm gonna do this next one myself.
So I'm gonna flush the headand all of that stuff.
Now do you guys do your ownEuro mounts or.
Yes, we do our own Euro mounts.
We've been doing our last.
We've been doing Euro mountsever since I could remember.
But I think we just started anew technique two years ago.
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So now what's your technique?
My dad found this way where he.
We bury it in like play sandand we wrap the antlers in tin foil.
And then you just let it sitthere for like a year.
Yeah.
So when I shot my deer lastyear, I shot him like October 20th
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or some shit like that.
I don't remember.
Then we got the deer head backfrom the meat processing place and
then we wrapped them up in tinfoil.
The antlers at least buriedthe skull itself into the play sand.
Then we put like this littlecontainer above it.
It's them.
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And we put like two cinderblocks and we just left it sit there
for like a year.
Ever since the day we put itin and it comes out very orange,
like.
Yep.
And we, I took pictures of theone that we just had.
I, I'd show it up here, butit's hard to get the phone to come
up here Anyways.
Then we let it just kind oflike air dry for like a week or two.
(25:46):
And then after that we kind ofrinse it off with the hose again,
do it again.
And then I think if I rememberright, we just stained the skull
to kind of get that white outof the skull that get that look of
it.
Yeah, I don't like that pure white.
I don't like that just flat,flat white.
I like that little flat white,if that makes sense.
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You know how you like that,like that very shiny black and you
have that flat black.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, that's what I like.
And that's what we do with ours.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've been hearing that,you know, bury them, throw them in
a pond for a year or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna figure it out though.
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I've heard boiling them and ina water and peroxide solution or
something.
But I've heard people thatboil them.
I think you still get goodresults from it.
But I've heard like thelongevity of it, if I'm remembering
right.
Remembering right.
The longevity of the skullitself doesn't hold up.
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Okay.
From what I'm told.
I'm sure that is, I don't know.
Obviously you have, you mightdo something different with your
boiling compared to what I wasdoing, and it might be better.
And so you know what I mean?
It's like you want peas versustomato versus tomato type of deal,
obviously.
But let me ask you this.
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Yeah.
The, the what?
They're called.
Wraps.
Like those wraps they put on skulls.
Like.
Oh yeah.
Dip them in, like.
Yeah, those hydro dips.
What are your thoughts on those?
They're pretty cool.
So I, I, I used to do a bunchof hydro dipping with firearms and
stuff like that.
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And I always wanted to do aeuro mount like that would be pretty
badass.
Yeah.
If it's done right, it looksamazing, just like anything.
But if it's done half assedand you know, you just start and
you want to do it on one ofyour mounts, just practice first.
You don't want to look like.
Right.
But what's your thoughts on them?
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I think they look cool.
Would I do them to mine personally?
No.
I think it'd have to take aspecial deer skull for me to do it.
But I just.
We're going back to traditionand the authenticity of it.
The new nostalgic feelingbehind it all.
I. I'm just a sucker for that,that white, that skull looking and
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the antlers.
I just love that look.
I think seeing those, thosedips on them.
I love seeing those Americanflag ones and the, you know those
guns that don't be wrong.
I think those cool to see.
But to put something up in mywall of a deer that I shot, that
I took me forever to do,whether with 20 yards or 22 years
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to get this deer, Whatever thecase may be, to deal with a bow is
an accomplishment of itself.
Size regardless.
Spike to 300 inch deer doesn't matter.
To do it with your bow, it'san achievement of itself.
I have to look at this thingup on my wall.
I love seeing that, that likeI said that white.
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I love seeing that, that skulllike look of it.
Like you see those bowl mounts.
Oh yeah.
That's where I think it'sdriven from.
Is that.
Because I just think that's,that's just badass to see, man.
I think that's what it is.
I don't know.
Maybe like something, maybe acool one.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah.
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Do one in diamond plate.
Yeah.
I do want pure gold.
Be like yeah, that there'sworth a million dollars.
That's right.
Well it's only like a littlespike, that one.
Yeah, no kidding.
It's like no.
There it was the last day ofthe season.
I've got 2500 in my bow,another 200 in arrows, 100 in broadheads.
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Just start going down the listand it ends up being like a fifteen
thousand dollar deer that you shoot.
Dude, no kidding.
Like not good point.
I just think of all the moneywe spend in this.
No hunting.
No.
Because like, like I thinkabout it and I'm like how am I still
surviving?
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I can justify every single purchase.
I mean I'll eat ramen for amonth, I don't care.
But I'm not gonna freeze myass off in December either.
Right.
I mean I was hunting one timethis season in the rain in my deer.
I had was water repellent butnot waterproof.
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And I got soaked.
I was in the truck, not evendried off, ordering stuff on my phone.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm not gonna.
I will not eat for a week inorder to be able to afford this right
here.
I remember when I came to yourplace and we went hunting.
Do you have watery pond stuff?
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I was like, well, I got thiscoat kind of.
Yeah.
This sponge of a coat.
And you're like, okay, becausethe rain's gonna stop at like 4.
And it stopped and the sunshined, but yet it was still raining
somehow.
I know.
And I was like, what the hell?
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This whole time I'm putting onmy wet weather deer.
I'm like, this isn't bad.
You know, the tree.
And I just kept thinking, I'mlike, oh man, you didn't have any
wet weather deer.
And I was just in that boatlike a three weeks prior.
I was like, man, that sucks.
Well, I'm dry.
That's Huckle's.
Sorry for him for a split second.
Yeah.
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Then I was like, oh, what's that?
Oh, squirrel.
I don't remember because thenat that point I think it was getting
close to like six o'.
Clock.
Yeah.
And there's still leaves onthe tree.
So it was getting darkerquicker early at least in my opinion.
And oh, when you're in the woods.
We still could have been outthere for like another hour because
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there was.
There's still light left.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But because of how dark itgets in the woods.
It was so dark in the woods.
Yeah, that's probably.
Yeah.
I love hunting it now becauseall that snow amplifies the light
and it's.
Yeah.
I just remember towards theclose to the end of it, I was like,
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yeah, I'm not waiting another30 minutes.
So it's officially like, wecan call it done hunting.
I can't sit still because then the.
My legs like twitching.
Oh.
Yeah.
The only way I could get themto stop was to lock them in place.
Yup.
Just so I can focus, get mystuff down from saddle hunting.
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And I was like, what the.
Who the is?
I am a Maldi.
He says I am pooping.
Good for you.
Dude.
I'm not gonna come.
Shut up, please.
Nah, I don't feel likeshutting up.
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Don't get me started.
If this is.
If you're actually being realwith all this stuff.
Because you don't want to getme started.
No, I was going to say I putlike a full list of everything that
I want to get for next seasonand wind repellent stuff is.
Is one of them.
Yep.
Because I went out therehunting a couple times and it was
like 15 mile hour winds.
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And I was like, yeah, this stuff.
I think one day it was like Iwent out there, it was 14 mile an
hour winds, and I saw likethese trees, they're like crashing
down.
And I was like, yeah, this.
And I just packed my.
And I left.
And then the next day it was.
And this was during my twoweeks off and it was 20 mile winds.
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My wife texted me.
She goes, are you going hunting?
I said, no.
I had like five trees fallright next to me.
I ain't going out there.
It's fat.
It's stronger winds than itwas yesterday.
Like, well, your lifeinsurance is up to date, so you should
really go out hunting.
Yeah, go do it, please.
Probably worth more.
Probably worth more dead thanI am alive.
Oh, God.
I know.
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I am.
I'm.
I'm pretty sure it's close upthere to like a million bucks at
this point.
But I'm.
I'm looking forward to all thethings I'm planning on getting.
Like I said, I made the list.
We.
I have like, and this is notme, like, bragging.
And you can in any shape orform where the case may be, because
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I've saved up a lot of moneyin order to put the stuff I want
together.
I got like five fucking grandinto my bow itself.
In this one bow.
And people are like, you spentthat much money on a bow itself?
And I was like, yeah.
Yeah.
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And I just, I. I'm.
I'm with you.
I'd.
I'd starve for like a week totwo weeks in order to get something
for hunting related.
I. Yeah, I'm.
The bows I have.
I've got five, I think.
And it's always like, oh,well, I need a backup.
So I want my backup bow to bejust as good as my other one.
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And then this year I triedhunting out west, so I was like,
oh, I need an out west bow.
Then my kids all need bows.
So I did them.
So I can't afford any otherbad habits.
Like, hunting is my.
It's what I dump pretty muchall my money into.
I plan on my PTO time around it.
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Oh, yeah.
It's not that I, you know, Ineed to buy the newest, best stuff,
but I mean, as I'm wearing acitra hat here.
Yeah, you privileged.
Yeah, I do buy Sitka.
I wear pretty much all mystuff is theirs.
That being said, they do anamazing job with a military discount,
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so that helps out a lot and itmakes it almost affordable.
You were in the military?
I had no idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For a little Bit I didn't know.
But no, like I.
I'm not gonna buy the high endbows and all the fancy, you know,
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I, I will never pay 300 for a stabilizer.
I just won't.
Yeah.
But the gear that I do use, it's.
All the mistakes and what Iwasn't looking for have led me up
to these boat.
Like I shoot an elite bow,I've got all sorts of other bows.
That's just the one that I like.
(36:20):
It works great for me.
So yeah, I'm gonna buy, youknow, an elite and I'm gonna tune
it the way I want to and haveit set basically built for me.
Yeah.
If it costs, you know, whatever.
Yeah, three grand, I'll dothat for everything.
Because it's gonna last you forever.
Yeah, you gotta invest in this stuff.
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It's not something like, oh,I'm gonna buy this for one year and
then the next year I'll seehow it goes.
No, this is an investment.
You gotta remember you're,you're shooting an animal.
Oh yeah, you owe it.
I mean you don't want to cheapskate things, but you also, you don't
need to spend the top dollarline for things.
But you also have to make sureyou buy good quality worth equipment
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because let's say you're justtrying it out for the first year.
You owe it to the animal togive that everything that you got
and not half ass your prepwork, your training work, all that
stuff.
And you can't half ass yourequipment either.
That being said, bow huntingcan or hunting in general is becoming
a rich man sport.
(37:24):
So if you know someone trytheir stuff, I mean that's how I
shot a lot of my stuff.
Shooting my buddy stuff just,it's, it sucks.
I mean my first bow, I think Ipaid like 200 bucks off Craigslist.
Mine was 300 bucks for thebear or Martin Jaguar.
Yeah.
And I just progress.
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It's not something that, youknow, I jumped into hunting and bought
the most expensive stuff Ihunted with blue jeans and flannels
and everything else.
And now I'm of that age whereI don't like to be cold, so I buy.
I, I mean, that being said, Istill use my army issue waffle gear.
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That's like the warmest stuffI've ever had.
Oh really?
Oh, I can imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, I wear those all the time.
But everything I have, I, Ilove it.
It's warm, it's comfortable,it works for me.
And just at that point nowwhere I want to be Comfortable in
the woods on these December nights.
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You know.
I think it was when the liftcame out, I was saving up for a couple
years.
I was getting to say, like,all right, I'm going to make this
my last bow.
I want to shoot this and that.
And I was looking at the lift.
Long story short, tried it.
Fucking hated it.
Tried the Phase four and triedsome other bows.
(38:50):
And when I shot the Phasefour, instantaneously fell in love
with the motherfucker and waslike, yep, I'm buying this bow.
Because the bow I previouslyhad was the Verdicts.
Yeah.
And then.
Then I tried.
Then I ended up wiki in thePhase four.
And I've tried different bows.
And it's not like it's mesaying, like, oh, I've got Matthew.
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So I'm Mr. Rich and Popular,and I'm the king of bad worlds.
This and that.
No.
You also drive an Audi.
No, apparently other people.
I drive a Priya.
Okay, that's right.
No, it's whatever you shoot.
I'm.
That's just what we do also,in brotherhoods and brothers, we're
gonna make fun of you for whatyou do in your hunting with what
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you wear and like that.
I don't make fun of John forhe's wearing Sicko because he's probably
sucking on some golden dick toget all that stuff.
He's probably saying the samething with me and my Matthew.
That is.
You drive a Dodge.
I do drive it down.
Don't you go down that road to me.
All right.
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We make fun of Dave becausehe's shooting a pse because he's
from the dinosaur age, justlike they are, too.
So no.
Great company.
That being said, have you seenthe new Satario from pse?
No, I haven't yet.
The one that the.
Because a lot of the BOcompanies just came out with their
new bows.
Yep, it came out.
And November.
I don't remember seeing their bow.
(40:15):
I might have to try one.
I'm gonna go down to thearchery shop here in town and try
one of theirs, if they have them.
But what is it about that youlike that makes you want to go try
it over your elite?
The.
All the specs are really aboutthe same.
And from.
I've shot PSE in the past andI never found him anything special.
(40:38):
But I don't know, it's just.
I'm gonna try this Atario.
I'm not gonna buy it.
I'm gonna try to shoot it, seehow it feels.
Yeah, but it's a reallyforgiving bow, is what they say.
And these elite are superforgiving for making bad shots, speed
shots, stuff like that.
But I'm.
I'm gonna try it.
I'm gonna keep an open mind.
(40:59):
I'm probably gonna stitch mybows that I have now, cuz I'm still
paying them off.
But.
But no, it's.
I'm gonna try it.
See what the hype's all about.
And if it sucks, I'm gonnakeep telling Dave that PSE stands
for pretty shitty equipment.
That's what we do.
That's what we do.
I have nothing against pse,but I hate Dave.
(41:19):
That's just a little.
So, yeah.
Side note, why do I look likea fat in.
In this?
Because I swear, like if Imove my, my hoodie down, I don't
look fat.
But if I put it like here andI squinch up here, I look fat.
Well, I think this kind ofmakes it look fat too.
I think just my regular face looks.
(41:40):
Me look fat?
Yeah.
I only.
Wait, I. I lost weight.
I'm down to £200, man.
No, I'm up to 205 now becauseI've been drinking beer and it's
in the winter time, so.
But I don't know.
Not bad.
205 and you're five six.
Yeah.
And I'm actually five ten anda half, thank you very much.
That half makes a difference.
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It just.
Sorry.
Yeah.
And I started at 2:25 back inMarch, so.
Nice.
I was pretty proud of myself.
Congratulations.
I mean, you made it past Thanksgiving.
Christmas is right around the corner.
You know what we had forThanksgiving instead of turkey?
What?
Beef roast.
(42:22):
Nice.
No, no, no.
Beef tenderloin.
Okay.
Yeah, we spent a lot of moneyon that shit.
We bought two of them.
We bought two of them.
And so me and my dad are goingup to my dad's best friend's house
up in up north for a weekend.
Like a guy strip up in the upland.
(42:43):
Up.
Yep.
Oh, dude, like 20 days away.
I'm excited for it.
We leave midday on Christmas.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, because we want to make.
I'm not explaining myself.
We're just leaving midday.
You guys are probably like,oh, why you leaving midday on Christmas?
My family and the way we dothings is going to be different than
yours.
Go yourself.
Anyways, we're leaving middayon Christmas.
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No, that stuff.
He tried doing somethingdifferent with it because we tried
it last year.
We.
Because we got tired of eatingturkey on Thanksgiving.
And then you know howeveryone's like, oh, some reason
on Thanksgiving dinner is at noon.
Or one o'.
Clock.
Right.
75 year old grandma.
Because we have to eat at two.
(43:26):
Exactly.
And then all of a sudden,somehow four o', clock, once everyone's
done eating, everyone'snapping on the couch or in the chair.
Yeah.
And we got tired of it.
So last year, it was a yearbefore we.
We tried beef tenderloin andwe loved it.
And we're like, yeah, thatturkey, we're gonna be eating this
for Thanksgiving.
(43:47):
And then they.
So they actually bought acouple more for this year because
we're gonna take some up northto eat.
And my dad tried something newwith it this year.
The outside was just a littlebit too salty.
I don't know what he did.
He didn't tell me.
He just said he tried doingsomething different with it this
year and the outside was justa little bit too salty.
But dude.
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Oh my God, it just melts inyour mouth.
And I love putting my meat inA1 sauce or like some ketchup here
and there just to kind of giveit a little bit.
Whatever.
But dude, you could eat that bra.
I mean, I had to do it thenthat time to get the saltiness.
It so delicious.
(44:27):
You know, I was going up andagreeing with everything you said
until you said A1 sauce and ketchup.
Ketchup.
I put ketchup on everything.
Dude.
Nothing brings out the flavormore in the state more than ketchup.
That's.
Man, that was.
(44:47):
That was hard for me to even say.
That's so wrong.
Just spit water all over my microphone.
I'm a bit.
Oh, man.
My kids don't even put ketchupon steak.
They know better.
Nothing gives the flavor outof the state more than ketchup.
(45:08):
I know everyone's out thereprobably judging now.
Oh, man, I am.
They're like this guy.
We're taking hunting quote,unquote advice from.
This hunting advice from youat all.
I'm not going to take culinaryadvice from you now.
Here's your beef tenderloins.
$74 a pound.
(45:30):
Heinz ketchup as a baster.
I mean, I'm trying to drinksome water.
Heinz ketchup.
But that's just like I haveketchup for hot dogs, hamburgers,
you know, like that.
But no, I've never.
(45:51):
You not put it on any of yourvenison meat either?
No.
God, no.
Only on burgers.
Venison burgers.
I will, but.
And a venison meatloaf if I'mgoing to do that.
But I do I put.
Do I use ketchup?
Or anyone.
I can't remember what I do there.
Oh, no.
With the venison chops withbacon wrapped around it.
(46:13):
Yeah, we put the A1 on.
We dabbled just a little biton that and we let that cook in the
oven.
And then I just had dip it ina little bit in the ketchup.
So this morning I had familydown from up north and we were hunting
that farm this weekend.
Yeah.
So this morning I was like,you know what, I'm gonna make breakfast
for everyone.
And I had shot a couplemallards a couple weeks ago.
(46:35):
So I did bacon wrapped duckbreasts and just fried them up.
Ooh.
No seasoning.
Just in a cast iron skillet,fry them up, cook them that way.
Amazing.
I.
With wild game, I don't put awhole lot of seasonings on it.
I'll use flavors of theforest, the bidfoot breath.
Yeah, I use that especially inmy burger.
(46:58):
But that's really about it.
Ted Nugent, I think said it best.
Salt, pepper, fire.
I mean that's good pointpretty much.
With venison, all you need.
Now if someone wants to makeme a venison steak and like all the
seasonings and stuff, I'm sureit's gonna taste amazing.
I'll eat the out of it.
But right.
I mean around here we keep itsimple and it's.
(47:20):
If it's not broke, why fix it?
That's a good point.
Yeah, I, I just, I'm.
I'm playing.
And a white, basic white.
Now, do you eat the venisonheart as well?
No.
No.
Oh, man.
So I made some for my familythis weekend and with that I'll use
(47:41):
like Montreal state seasoning.
And you just slice it super thin.
You know, clean it up, sliceit thin.
And I'm just like a sugar pat,like super thin.
Montreal state seasoning and alittle bit of soy sauce.
And then you just throw it ina hot skillet real quick.
Just toss it in.
Flip it, flip it.
(48:02):
Done.
Oh, dude, that was a huge hit.
And that's such a tasty cut.
Oh, I, I've heard people wherethey like, where they get like their
first deer kill and they'relike, yeah, you gotta eat the heart
right there.
Oh, yeah, I've heard peopleactually do that.
I couldn't do that.
And I've heard stories about it.
(48:22):
So.
Have you ever done that?
I don't think I could.
I don't think I ever did thatwith my first one my dad tried doing
to me.
Yeah, I've never bit the heart.
I've.
You Know I. I've had a pieceof raw venison before but it was
never like in the field or anything.
It was at home.
Yeah.
Just mowing down on a bat strap.
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Well dude, we've been going atit for a while and I ain't.
I know we got a lot.
We have got a lot of things wegot to talk about because we've been
off for a while.
We've been off.
It's hunting season.
We're out there getting after it.
I mean it slowed.
It slowed way down.
It did.
And it's weird.
We might actually have a whiteChristmas this year here in Michigan.
(49:06):
Yeah.
First time in many years itwas snowing on Thanksgiving.
Right.
Or the day after some.
We got a bunch of snow then.
Man.
It's weird.
We're not gonna see all mudand hopefully maybe.
Who knows.
Yeah.
Who knows.
You never know in Michigan.
I will say this.
First off Squatch is on theshow tonight so we're not going to
(49:26):
do our ending prayer.
We leave that for him to do acouple things.
Johnny's show, he's gonna beup on Tuesday.
Yep.
If he's not feeling sick.
I should be here.
You should be.
I should be here.
His show, Mysteries in theTimbers are going to be up here on
Tuesday the 9th.
So expect his show.
If you listen the audioversion you don't want to see our
(49:48):
beautiful faces.
I don't know why the youwouldn't want to because we're a
bunch of beautiful, amazingsexy men up here.
He'll be on the live show.
We do it on.
The audio version will bereleased the 10th of December.
Then we're actuallyconsidering starting next week's
show a little bit early.
I think we're gonna bethinking about doing it at 7:30 or
(50:08):
7 because it's our final Stumpa Trump night.
Wait, it's.
I put the questions together.
They're not easy questions.
They're.
I think it's up to 50 questions.
I think let's do it.
And they're.
They're not easy.
These are some pretty tough,tough questions.
(50:30):
So we are considering possiblystarting that one early.
I think we might start at 7:30next Sunday for Stump and Chump night.
Then after that December 16thwe got the Frank and Squat show.
And that's going to be ourlast show, our live show until Johnny
show on Sunday, January 4th atMysteries in the Timbers.
(50:53):
And we'll be kicking backthings off with our live shows back
then.
So we're going to be going offfor the Christmas vacation and new
Year's vacation, a couple of things.
We might be also starting anew podcast, at least for myself.
We'll explain more later onthat as that comes about.
(51:14):
A couple other mental notesthat we'd.
I'd like to point out toeverybody as of right now how it
looks the fourth Sunday andTuesday of each month.
Starting in January, we won'tbe doing a live show.
We're going to be taking thatweek to spend more time with us as
the team, with our familiesand getting together and kind of
(51:35):
doing more family things.
We've been.
Yeah, I can go on and on.
I'm just going to say justlook at that new schedule if you
want the Whitetail Advantagecalendar on your phone.
That way you can see whenwe're going to be doing live shows.
Who's going to be on shit likethat, let us know.
We'll put you on the emaillist and our calendar would be popping
(51:56):
up on your phone.
That being said, Johnny, doyou have any final words before I
say my last thing?
It's the end of the season.
We are all beat.
This is it can make or breakour season right here.
So just had to keep puttingleft foot over right.
Keep going at it, because inApril, we're going to be wishing
(52:17):
that it was deer season.
Yeah.
And yeah.
So just keep hammering afterit, man.
I want to just say thank youto all of our fans, our fans and
everyone part of the brotherhood.
We greatly appreciate each andevery one of you guys out there.
We just thank you foreveryone, for the support.
Like Johnny said, this is thegrind time.
So that's why we don't do awhole lot of shows throughout this
(52:40):
time.
We're out there trying to getafter it, man.
We love this hunting thing.
So we don't just talk prettywell about it.
We kind of live it, too.
Yeah, I do want to say.
Yeah, we don't hold anything back.
Put your cord in the slotmachine as well.
And I. I just can't say thankyou enough to everyone out there.
We appreciate each and everyone of you guys out there.
(53:00):
That being said, you guys knowthe out.
The outro.
We said at the end of thething, you guys know what we do here.
Put your quarter in the slot machine.
There you go.
We'll see you next time.
All right, later.
And my fucking chatter.
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What is up, everybody?
We are back.
It's been a while, Johnny, man.
It's been a little bit.
Yeah, that's for sure.
I mean, but I understand somany people out there might be a
little upset, like, oh, whyaren't they putting a lot of live
shows out there?
Why aren't they putting out alot, A little bit more extra episodes?
What's going on?
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Also, you gotta remember,guys, we love you guys.
We support, we thank you,everyone that supports the show and
this and that.
But I also gotta remember, wedo a lot of shows throughout the
year, and we always say onthis show here, it's we.
It's family first.
And these are the last, like,three months of the year where it's
like, all right, we want tokind of put a little time in, more,
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focus on more of our ourselfat mine and peace with our hunting.
We still do shows throughoutthe hunting season, but you also,
we have Thanksgiving, and thenwe have Christmas, and then we have
New Year's.
I mean, these kind of justkind of stack on top of each other.
And because we put a lot oftime throughout the year, we.
We don't do a lot of episodesthroughout these last two to three
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months of the year.
So I just want to kind of,like, say that there of.
We appreciate you guys.
Just kind of like, all right,taking a second look.
Take a step back and look atthe grand scheme of the schedule
that we do here, because we doa lot, at least in my opinion.
I know I do a lot of my stuff.
I do a lot of stuff on theback end.
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But, yeah, I just wanted tosay that point and I have a lot of
other things I want to say,too, but I'm just going to leave
it at that.
So let's do a show on whatgrinds Brett's gears.
So that.
That was all the good stuffthat you got going on.
Now tell us what really grindsyour gears, Brett.
Grind my gears is, man, I, I.Oh, okay, now you're gonna.
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You're gonna open up a can of worm.
Like, I don't give two.
I don't give two shits if you're.
Black, white, left, right,politically wise.
I don't care if you're straight.
I don't care if you're gay.
I don't give a what.
I don't.
I, I just don't care.
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I'm not gonna judge you off ofthat stuff.
As long as you wave theAmerican flag at the end of the day,
that's what I care about the most.
Now I'm gonna drop the.
Out of you, though, the wayyou behave, though.
I'm gonna tell you that.
So I'm just gonna.
I'm just gonna say that I have.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I don't apologize either.
So just say that now.
Well, Brett, it's December 7th.
It's, you know, D day.
It's that day.
So if you didn't know, there'syour history lesson of the day.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
So the season's wrapping upDecember 7th, right?
Yeah, seventh.
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Yeah.
At about what, three weeksleft to hunt?
A little bit?
Pretty much, yeah.
Yeah.
So how's your season been?
Ups, downs?
How's it been, brother?
Let's say.
I think I probably.
I probably would have ratherhave gone through a giant cactus,
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being pulled like through 100yards worth of cacti, and I'm sure
that probably would have beena lot more enjoyable than the hunting
season I had this year.
It was brutal, man.
I mean, I did some selffilming, so I'll be releasing some
of those videos here as timegoes on and kind of showing my ups
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and downs and the strugglesthat I had this year.
It was.
I. I'm just telling you, I'm so.
As you know, I don't gun hunt.
So I basically burn all a lotof my PTO that I set aside for hunting
season.
I allocate that pretty muchall the way through from October
1st to November 14th.
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Yep.
And that's.
After that, I'm pretty much done.
I can only really hunt on theweekends if I can get the time.
I did a lot of things.
I did saddle hunting this year.
I'm just trying to do a quickrecap of things.
And it.
We kind of had a bad run withEHD on the property.
Tried coming out to your place.
Thank you again.
I know it's public land, butthank you for inviting me to come
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out there.
Hunt where you hunt out there.
Had a lot of ups and downswith saddle hunting.
I know from talking to you,there's a lot of things I can be
working on.
A lot of things I'm going tobe kind of.
I've already been making likea sheet of like.
All right, I want to get this now.
Season, this, this, and thisand this.
Oh, yeah.
Kind of start preparing.
Yeah.
And after deer season, itbecomes shopping season.
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And that's.
I made a list and I sent tothe wife And I sent it to my parents.
Like, hey, if you're gonna getme something, make sure you order
this exact thing in thisquantity and this size.
And I set URLs with it too.
Like, don't deviate from this.
Make it simple.
Exactly, man.
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No, but I'll say this, I loveXOP and I.
And, but I think what I've learned.
I'll say this real quick.
I'm not a single panel guy.
I have lower back problems.
I need a little bit more support.
I think xop, they are killingit in the mobile saddle.
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I said this in.
This, in the group, in ourgroup text.
I think they're killing it inthe hybrid system with the lightweight.
The lightweight of things.
The.
Their sticks, they're amazing.
I think their, their treestands are amazing as well.
I don't have them.
But just seeing them and talkand listening to Dave talk about
them and show us his videos,they got that stuff set up.
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But they're just.
I think they need a little bitmore time.
I know they're new.
I think they still have a lotof growing up to do in a saddle wise.
I think just looking atthings, there's a lot of things from
Latitude that I'm going to belooking at.
Yeah.
Because there are, there arehere in Michigan.
I do support a lot of Michiganhomegrown companies and I think there's
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one thing that I'm going to belooking at with them.
I think they're killing itwith the saddle here.
I think they're really doingthat with a lot of things.
I prefer XOP sticks though.
I love the standoff and all that.
But.
Oh yeah.
I'm going on a long ways.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to.
There's.
So it was November.
I want to say this real quick.
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It was November.
It was a Monday.
The, the week of Veterans Day,the 10th or 9th, some shit like that,
I don't remember.
Anyways, it was raining andsnowing the.
On Sunday and then it wasdoing the same thing again on, on
Monday.
And I take the two weeks ofNovember off and I got out there
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a little bit later than Iwanted to, but it was probably around
4 or 5 o'.
Clock.
Things were starting to pick up.
I was out there, got aroundout there around 11, nothing happening
till about 4 or 5 o' clock andthings just start running around,
just does.
And these little spike fuckerswere just running around and everything,
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just chasing them and everything.
I'm like, well, this is great.
I'm having a lot of fun.
But like, where are all thegood bucks?
It's like fun to watch, don'tget me wrong.
But I'm like, give mesomething that I might get a chance
to shoot at.
So I'm sitting in my treestand and I'm hearing these.
These does.
And I hear in this buck doingthat little grunt noise that he's
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doing, chasing this one buck,this one doe.
So I'm facing this way, and asI'm looking this way, to give you
kind of perspective, it go in10 yard, about 10 yards in front
of me.
It's straight.
And then it goes deer up.
Straight up a hill and snow.
So I can see a long ways.
Yeah.
But at the crest of it, I sawthis deer coming and I couldn't tell
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what it was.
I could see that it was a buckand it was a.
It was a decent looking one,but I couldn't tell exactly.
It was like, don't want toshoot this one.
But granted, if it had, likeanything out to like a spread, I
was going to shoot it at thispoint in the year.
Right.
But dude.
So as he got to the crest ofthe hill, he's running right at me,
like along the trail because he.
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Yeah.
So, like, I'm here and he'srunning up the trail this way towards
me.
I didn't grab my bow becausein my mind, I'm curious to see if
you would have done the same thing.
This is what we were talkingabout earlier.
Yeah.
I didn't grab my bow becausehe has a plain sight right at me.
Granted, I can tell that hisnose is on the ground looking for
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does.
Yeah.
And he's gone hunt on that.
I didn't want to take the riskjust yet of grabbing my boat real
quick because then I had tograb it and turn around like this
and swing around the tree.
Because of how close it was tothe tree and it was on the right
side, I figured, all right, ifI can get him to this point right.
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Like, right to the side of me,I could get a chance to grab it real
quick and pull it into mychest and then figure out what's
going to happen next.
And if he goes up this traillike I predicted he.
I wanted him to do, I couldget a shot off at 20, 21 yards.
Yeah.
And be golden.
He's getting closer and closer.
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And I'm like, this buck is huge.
He's got spread.
He didn't have a lot of mass,but he had spread and some heights
to it.
I'm guessing he was close to150 inch deer.
And I tell everyone whenyou're in a tree stand, you gotta
be thinking of a bunch ofdifferent scenarios.
Like the most off the wall, man.
And I've thought of a scenariowhere if I was sitting in a tree
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and a deer came and got behindthis tree and then he actually went
up the hill and to the left.
I know it's hard to visualize.
I always thought to myself,what if a deer actually did this?
Like he came from the hill andthen he got to like this little,
small, little tree behind it,waited there and said, fuck it.
I'm gonna go up to the north alittle bit up this little side hill
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and walk across the littlehill and then just walk to the west
and just do that.
Yeah, sure.
As I thought of that scenariolike what, four or five years ago
and thought to myself, there'sno way a deer is just going to randomly
do that, especially in the rut.
Like, what are the odds ofthis fucking happening?
Because they're going to theirminds after pussy.
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There ain't no way they'regoing to do it.
And what the fuck happens?
This fucker gets behind thatone tree and does exactly what I
thought would happen if thisscenario I thought of, yeah, went
up the side of the hill, gotbehind it.
Now the problem was I couldn'ttell the depth from.
I knew the tree that he wasbehind was about 27 yards.
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Okay.
It was hard to tell the depthof how he far he was from the tree
to where he was at.
So I couldn't really get agood distance.
I finally was able to arrangehim at 32, but he kept moving and
I couldn't, he just, justkept, was just speed walking out
of there.
And at that point I'm like,well, there goes my fucking season.
Just a big giant fuck you.
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Oh man.
And I just keep replaying inmy head of that first 10 to 15 yards
where he, I saw him coming offthe base of that hill, coming up
towards me to grab my bow or not.
Because even if he got beforethat little, small, little sapling
tree in front of him to wherehe stopped, I'd be pushing a shot
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that would have been really ofa tight angle of like quartering
towards me.
Like it would have been, itwould have been who I want to like
say it.
So I'm like basically facingthe deer.
Like we're basically face toface and he just started tilting
a little bit.
You're basically shooting fromthe front left shoulder going to
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be going out his ass almost.
Yeah, you're you're looking atlike a, almost a full frontal.
Yeah.
Like it was that type of anangle type of shot.
And I was like, even then I'dlike, do I even want to take the
risk of doing that shot if it,if it gets to that point?
So I guess my question is for you.
Would you have grabbed yourbow or not?
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Because I've told that storyto other hunters that I've come across
in person and I've told youguys this story, but not in full
depth.
So I'm curious.
Yeah.
To see if what you would have done.
I would have had.
Have been there.
So starting off in your story,you know, he's coming down, he's
got his nose to the ground.
I would have taken thatopportunity to grab my bow.
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I mean, but you're wide open.
Yep, I would have.
He's in your direct.
His view is in your direction.
You're like, yep.
But with his nose down to the ground.
Focus on that right now.
And I would, I would judge it.
You know, I'd make that slowinitial move and just, okay, keep
inching.
If you notice, you stop andwait for that next opportunity.
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I mean, that being said, whatyou did wasn't wrong at all.
I mean, but I would have.
You also gotta remember, I'mkind of like a rookie bow hunter
here because I didn't bowhunt, you know, in my 20s at all.
I just got into it in my mid-30s.
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So I, I would have played thatmaybe dumb luck move and start, start
doing it, you know?
Yeah.
No, I mean that and everythingis like a self judgment call.
You're, you're in that tree.
If you did that warm and fuzzyfeeling where, you know, you can
make that draw or that, youknow, go for your bow and make it
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happen.
Yeah, do it.
But if you know deep down inyour gut that you can't do it.
Yeah, there's nothing wrongwith that.
I was, I guess I'm kind ofexaggerating the angle of the shot.
I mean, it still would havebeen a good shot.
It would have been pushing it,at least for me.
I would have probably takenthe shot thinking to myself, I could,
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I can make this shot.
I can make this a lethal shot too.
But it's, I guess it was thefact of, oh, shit.
Moment of here's a giant deer.
Like, I haven't seen a deer ofthat caliber since I shot Fish Hook
a couple years ago.
And he was doing the samething that like Fish Hook was doing.
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And Fish Hook, once he, oncehe saw me he never took his eyes
off of me.
Yeah.
And he went.
Was.
He was going behind trees.
He'd look down and look backup at me.
I finally said, fuck it.
And I pulled back when he waslooking away towards the.
To where the doe came.
And I said, fuck it.
At this point, it's now or never.
Yeah, but with this one.
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And I keep telling myself,maybe you should have tried, but
I. I can't.
I think in.
In the moment, I thought tomyself for a split second, I much
rather take the chance of himgoing just a little bit past me before
I can get to my bow becausethen I can move around quickly and
get to the spot.
Right?
Yeah.
I can get the sh.
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And at least I thought.
And I thought to myself, atleast I'm giving myself more of a
chance to get a shot off.
If I go from my bow right now,I'm thinking myself he could see
me.
And I just blew my opportunityof maybe getting a shot off because
I. I thought of that scenariowhere he got.
Where a deer got to this pointon the trail and they.
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I don't know.
He never.
He didn't smell me, he didn'tsee me, nothing because I didn't
move one fucking bit.
Obviously something in himsaid, you know what?
It.
I'm gonna go up this littlehill and then just say it and then
we're gonna go this way.
Yeah, Like.
I think that's more of thereason why I didn't do it.
Because like I said, I much rather.
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I'd rather have theopportunity to maybe get a shot off
than me than to rush it.
Rush it, Rush it.
And make him accidentally seeme or make a small movement to where
he's like, you know, I don'tlike this.
And go off because we.
I haven't seen a doe in my area.
They've been around me like,like, like 100 yards around me, but
nothing like right on top of me.
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Yeah.
It's hard to say.
I think.
I don't know.
I'm just.
I'm pissed because.
Just wants to be a little dude.
No, I did it, man, because.
Yeah.
And it's been a tough season, man.
I mean, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's.
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It started off slow, that'sfor sure.
But hey, on the bright side,you did shoot a doe.
Yeah, I did shoot one.
It was a fucked up one.
And I shot it in the face andit only came back 55 pounds.
But hey, that's your first doethat you shot though, right?
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That have shot and recovered?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now you have something tostep up the game with.
Maybe you're done killing big bucks.
Maybe you have now move on to does.
So you shot that littleyearling may or may not have had
spots.
Maybe next fall or even this season.
You still have time, man.
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Shoot.
Good point.
Shoot like a yearling doe outof spots.
A little bit more weight.
I mean.
Yeah, I mean, we all gotta start.
I started off with like asmall four pointer as my first buck.
Well, I officially, as ofyesterday, shot my first spike, so
that was pretty cool.
I saw that.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
So wait, I thought you already.
I thought you already.
Excuse me, I thought youalready shot a bug.
So did you.
You.
Is that correct?
Yep.
Yeah, I shot a bid 7 onVeterans Day, actually.
Same day you were complaining about.
And then.
Oh, did you use that?
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What was it that I used?
I used the four point restricted.
Yeah.
I was going to say, becausethat's what a lot of hunters in Michigan
do.
They'll use that four point onone side and.
Yep.
Yeah.
So I was.
I think it's a little cheat around.
Yeah.
I was lucky enough to use that.
And then I used.
I thought he was a giant doeat first.
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So that's the only reason I shot.
And I walked up to him and Iwas like, oh, little spikes.
So that was pretty cool.
Yeah.
I'm gonna do a Euro mount andput him on the wall.
That's cool.
That's kind of like what TedNugent did.
I think he did that with his.
It was a button buck.
Yeah.
Or it was a spike.
It was something similar toyour story.
Nope.
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And, yeah, I mean, I've beencutting them up all day.
We had loins and bat strapslast night out of them.
So that's good.
I saw the photos.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
It was fun time.
Yeah.
That's cool.
You got to do it with yourkids, too.
That's something.
So we were actually icefishing right beforehand.
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Yeah.
And I was like, kids are cold.
That's.
Let's go out and do a littlebit of deer hunting real quick.
So I was only out there just afew minutes and walked out, checked
some of my cameras and cameback and walking out there, he was
just.
Or there was a doe standing there.
But I couldn't shoot becausethere's a house right behind her.
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And I stared at her forprobably 10 minutes.
Yeah.
And then she looked away andthis big.
Well, I thought he was a doecame out.
I was like, no, probably 15yards shot him.
Then he turned and ran righttowards me.
So I Had to put another roundin him and shot him right in the
net and dropped him right there.
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And it was 40, 50 yards fromthe truck.
It was a nice, nice easy night.
Yeah.
You're just like, all right,it's right there next to the truck.
Bucket lift.
There we go.
Carry him out.
So.
Oh man.
It was one of those where Iwas like, I've got about 20 minutes
to hunt.
We're already right here.
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Come on, kids, let's go do this.
And they wanted.
That's what kind of makesthose little hunts, like.
What's the word?
I want to.
Exciting.
It's exciting.
It's.
And when it just happens likethat, like I. I've had this buck
actually on my trail camerathat morning making a scrape.
Yeah.
And I was like, this son of a.
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This little kid here.
And I told my cousins, I'mlike, hey, he's gonna come back today
and he's gonna work that spot over.
So you might want to sit thereand hunt him.
And they were.
And I walked back and walkingout and he just stepped out and I
shot him.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I thought it was agiant doe.
I ended up taking up theentire back of my truck.
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And it was a big deer.
I think.
What was it that happened tomy dad two years ago?
I think it was.
He thought he was shooting adough, but ended up being a spike
too.
Yep.
Like he didn't see the.
The antlers or whatever.
I was like, really?
He goes, yeah, I just thoughtit was a big ass dough.
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That's what happened to me.
I shot and I just looked upand I started laughing.
I'm like, he's going on the wall.
He's gonna be a Euro mount.
Yeah.
But I'm gonna throw them up onthe wall.
And with a little plaque.
I was 40, almost 43 years oldwhen I shot my first spike.
I haven't shot a spike yet.
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I almost did this year becauseI wanted to meet.
I was gonna say effort.
Yeah.
I.
Well, I think my first dough,you could consider like it's by.
Because it was like a.
It was like it had thecurvature of like it was a.
It was a spike.
But then it like grew up intolike little fork points.
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I cut the like forkers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they were like small.
If I remember right.
It's been a minute.
Because the amounts at myparents house and we, we always do
like, like you're a mount.
Hang on, let me get this real quick.
Yeah.
All right.
So now that it's just us, weall know who the real talent is.
Go ahead and join me Tuesday,actually December 9th or Mysteries
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in the timber.
G. Be a great show.
Here he comes back.
Don't you fall.
All right, hang on.
I'm.
Take the time.
Don't you fall off the damn thing.
So for those listening viewersout, you know, listening to this.
Brett is playing with a stall.
It's actually a year amountthat he has.
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Yeah, well, I'll probably fix.
I'll fix it kind of came offthere a little bit at the end, but
here is one of mine.
Nice.
So what we generally like todo is.
And you can't see it.
Well, I'll hold it up.
There's my Magnus broadheadfrom the year I got.
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It was like 2019.
I shot this year.
Yeah.
Nice, man.
Nothing fancy, but we love, welove doing European mounts.
It's.
It's our.
I really like them.
I think they're very uniqueand we put this on a plaque, but
we generally.
Yeah, put the holder upagainst the wall and it's fun to
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just kind of take them up andoff and it's kind of like cool to
hang in, like hold them.
I like that.
I think it's a little bit cooler.
Oh yeah.
Doing the.
Compared to doing the shoulder mounts.
Those are nice for like Thosereally like 140s and above type world
class deer.
Like that?
Yeah.
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Like those ones.
Those ones are cool, but Ithink even it would be hard.
No, I won't say that.
I. I just love your PMOs.
They just look so cool.
They're.
The uniqueness of it is.
Is great.
I love them.
Yeah, I've got.
So I sent one out to attachdermis to get done because I've never,
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never done one.
And I'm gonna do this next one myself.
So I'm gonna flush the headand all of that stuff.
Now do you guys do your ownEuro mounts or.
Yes, we do our own Euro mounts.
We've been doing our last.
We've been doing Euro mountsever since I could remember.
But I think we just started anew technique two years ago.
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So now what's your technique?
My dad found this way where he.
We bury it in like play sandand we wrap the antlers in tin foil.
And then you just let it sitthere for like a year.
Yeah.
So when I shot my deer lastyear, I shot him like October 20th
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or some shit like that.
I don't remember.
Then we got the deer head backfrom the meat processing place and
then we wrapped them up in tinfoil.
The antlers at least buriedthe skull itself into the play sand.
Then we put like this littlecontainer above it.
It's them.
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And we put like two cinderblocks and we just left it sit there
for like a year.
Ever since the day we put itin and it comes out very orange,
like.
Yep.
And we, I took pictures of theone that we just had.
I, I'd show it up here, butit's hard to get the phone to come
up here Anyways.
Then we let it just kind oflike air dry for like a week or two.
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And then after that we kind ofrinse it off with the hose again,
do it again.
And then I think if I rememberright, we just stained the skull
to kind of get that white outof the skull that get that look of
it.
Yeah, I don't like that pure white.
I don't like that just flat,flat white.
I like that little flat white,if that makes sense.
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You know how you like that,like that very shiny black and you
have that flat black.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, that's what I like.
And that's what we do with ours.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've been hearing that,you know, bury them, throw them in
a pond for a year or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna figure it out though.
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I've heard boiling them and ina water and peroxide solution or
something.
But I've heard people thatboil them.
I think you still get goodresults from it.
But I've heard like thelongevity of it, if I'm remembering
right.
Remembering right.
The longevity of the skullitself doesn't hold up.
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Okay.
From what I'm told.
I'm sure that is, I don't know.
Obviously you have, you mightdo something different with your
boiling compared to what I wasdoing, and it might be better.
And so you know what I mean?
It's like you want peas versustomato versus tomato type of deal,
obviously.
But let me ask you this.
(27:09):
Yeah.
The, the what?
They're called.
Wraps.
Like those wraps they put on skulls.
Like.
Oh yeah.
Dip them in, like.
Yeah, those hydro dips.
What are your thoughts on those?
They're pretty cool.
So I, I, I used to do a bunchof hydro dipping with firearms and
stuff like that.
(27:31):
And I always wanted to do aeuro mount like that would be pretty
badass.
Yeah.
If it's done right, it looksamazing, just like anything.
But if it's done half assedand you know, you just start and
you want to do it on one ofyour mounts, just practice first.
You don't want to look like.
Right.
But what's your thoughts on them?
(27:51):
I think they look cool.
Would I do them to mine personally?
No.
I think it'd have to take aspecial deer skull for me to do it.
But I just.
We're going back to traditionand the authenticity of it.
The new nostalgic feelingbehind it all.
I. I'm just a sucker for that,that white, that skull looking and
(28:15):
the antlers.
I just love that look.
I think seeing those, thosedips on them.
I love seeing those Americanflag ones and the, you know those
guns that don't be wrong.
I think those cool to see.
But to put something up in mywall of a deer that I shot, that
I took me forever to do,whether with 20 yards or 22 years
(28:37):
to get this deer, Whatever thecase may be, to deal with a bow is
an accomplishment of itself.
Size regardless.
Spike to 300 inch deer doesn't matter.
To do it with your bow, it'san achievement of itself.
I have to look at this thingup on my wall.
I love seeing that, that likeI said that white.
(28:59):
I love seeing that, that skulllike look of it.
Like you see those bowl mounts.
Oh yeah.
That's where I think it'sdriven from.
Is that.
Because I just think that's,that's just badass to see, man.
I think that's what it is.
I don't know.
Maybe like something, maybe acool one.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah.
(29:19):
Do one in diamond plate.
Yeah.
I do want pure gold.
Be like yeah, that there'sworth a million dollars.
That's right.
Well it's only like a littlespike, that one.
Yeah, no kidding.
It's like no.
There it was the last day ofthe season.
I've got 2500 in my bow,another 200 in arrows, 100 in broadheads.
(29:41):
Just start going down the listand it ends up being like a fifteen
thousand dollar deer that you shoot.
Dude, no kidding.
Like not good point.
I just think of all the moneywe spend in this.
No hunting.
No.
Because like, like I thinkabout it and I'm like how am I still
surviving?
(30:02):
I can justify every single purchase.
I mean I'll eat ramen for amonth, I don't care.
But I'm not gonna freeze myass off in December either.
Right.
I mean I was hunting one timethis season in the rain in my deer.
I had was water repellent butnot waterproof.
(30:23):
And I got soaked.
I was in the truck, not evendried off, ordering stuff on my phone.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm not gonna.
I will not eat for a week inorder to be able to afford this right
here.
I remember when I came to yourplace and we went hunting.
Do you have watery pond stuff?
(30:45):
I was like, well, I got thiscoat kind of.
Yeah.
This sponge of a coat.
And you're like, okay, becausethe rain's gonna stop at like 4.
And it stopped and the sunshined, but yet it was still raining
somehow.
I know.
And I was like, what the hell?
(31:05):
This whole time I'm putting onmy wet weather deer.
I'm like, this isn't bad.
You know, the tree.
And I just kept thinking, I'mlike, oh man, you didn't have any
wet weather deer.
And I was just in that boatlike a three weeks prior.
I was like, man, that sucks.
Well, I'm dry.
That's Huckle's.
Sorry for him for a split second.
Yeah.
(31:26):
Then I was like, oh, what's that?
Oh, squirrel.
I don't remember because thenat that point I think it was getting
close to like six o'.
Clock.
Yeah.
And there's still leaves onthe tree.
So it was getting darkerquicker early at least in my opinion.
And oh, when you're in the woods.
We still could have been outthere for like another hour because
(31:48):
there was.
There's still light left.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But because of how dark itgets in the woods.
It was so dark in the woods.
Yeah, that's probably.
Yeah.
I love hunting it now becauseall that snow amplifies the light
and it's.
Yeah.
I just remember towards theclose to the end of it, I was like,
(32:08):
yeah, I'm not waiting another30 minutes.
So it's officially like, wecan call it done hunting.
I can't sit still because then the.
My legs like twitching.
Oh.
Yeah.
The only way I could get themto stop was to lock them in place.
Yup.
Just so I can focus, get mystuff down from saddle hunting.
(32:29):
And I was like, what the.
Who the is?
I am a Maldi.
He says I am pooping.
Good for you.
Dude.
I'm not gonna come.
Shut up, please.
Nah, I don't feel likeshutting up.
(32:50):
Don't get me started.
If this is.
If you're actually being realwith all this stuff.
Because you don't want to getme started.
No, I was going to say I putlike a full list of everything that
I want to get for next seasonand wind repellent stuff is.
Is one of them.
Yep.
Because I went out therehunting a couple times and it was
like 15 mile hour winds.
(33:11):
And I was like, yeah, this stuff.
I think one day it was like Iwent out there, it was 14 mile an
hour winds, and I saw likethese trees, they're like crashing
down.
And I was like, yeah, this.
And I just packed my.
And I left.
And then the next day it was.
And this was during my twoweeks off and it was 20 mile winds.
(33:33):
My wife texted me.
She goes, are you going hunting?
I said, no.
I had like five trees fallright next to me.
I ain't going out there.
It's fat.
It's stronger winds than itwas yesterday.
Like, well, your lifeinsurance is up to date, so you should
really go out hunting.
Yeah, go do it, please.
Probably worth more.
Probably worth more dead thanI am alive.
Oh, God.
I know.
(33:53):
I am.
I'm.
I'm pretty sure it's close upthere to like a million bucks at
this point.
But I'm.
I'm looking forward to all thethings I'm planning on getting.
Like I said, I made the list.
We.
I have like, and this is notme, like, bragging.
And you can in any shape orform where the case may be, because
(34:13):
I've saved up a lot of moneyin order to put the stuff I want
together.
I got like five fucking grandinto my bow itself.
In this one bow.
And people are like, you spentthat much money on a bow itself?
And I was like, yeah.
Yeah.
(34:34):
And I just, I. I'm.
I'm with you.
I'd.
I'd starve for like a week totwo weeks in order to get something
for hunting related.
I. Yeah, I'm.
The bows I have.
I've got five, I think.
And it's always like, oh,well, I need a backup.
So I want my backup bow to bejust as good as my other one.
(34:56):
And then this year I triedhunting out west, so I was like,
oh, I need an out west bow.
Then my kids all need bows.
So I did them.
So I can't afford any otherbad habits.
Like, hunting is my.
It's what I dump pretty muchall my money into.
I plan on my PTO time around it.
(35:19):
Oh, yeah.
It's not that I, you know, Ineed to buy the newest, best stuff,
but I mean, as I'm wearing acitra hat here.
Yeah, you privileged.
Yeah, I do buy Sitka.
I wear pretty much all mystuff is theirs.
That being said, they do anamazing job with a military discount,
(35:40):
so that helps out a lot and itmakes it almost affordable.
You were in the military?
I had no idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For a little Bit I didn't know.
But no, like I.
I'm not gonna buy the high endbows and all the fancy, you know,
(36:00):
I, I will never pay 300 for a stabilizer.
I just won't.
Yeah.
But the gear that I do use, it's.
All the mistakes and what Iwasn't looking for have led me up
to these boat.
Like I shoot an elite bow,I've got all sorts of other bows.
That's just the one that I like.
(36:20):
It works great for me.
So yeah, I'm gonna buy, youknow, an elite and I'm gonna tune
it the way I want to and haveit set basically built for me.
Yeah.
If it costs, you know, whatever.
Yeah, three grand, I'll dothat for everything.
Because it's gonna last you forever.
Yeah, you gotta invest in this stuff.
(36:42):
It's not something like, oh,I'm gonna buy this for one year and
then the next year I'll seehow it goes.
No, this is an investment.
You gotta remember you're,you're shooting an animal.
Oh yeah, you owe it.
I mean you don't want to cheapskate things, but you also, you don't
need to spend the top dollarline for things.
But you also have to make sureyou buy good quality worth equipment
(37:04):
because let's say you're justtrying it out for the first year.
You owe it to the animal togive that everything that you got
and not half ass your prepwork, your training work, all that
stuff.
And you can't half ass yourequipment either.
That being said, bow huntingcan or hunting in general is becoming
a rich man sport.
(37:24):
So if you know someone trytheir stuff, I mean that's how I
shot a lot of my stuff.
Shooting my buddy stuff just,it's, it sucks.
I mean my first bow, I think Ipaid like 200 bucks off Craigslist.
Mine was 300 bucks for thebear or Martin Jaguar.
Yeah.
And I just progress.
(37:46):
It's not something that, youknow, I jumped into hunting and bought
the most expensive stuff Ihunted with blue jeans and flannels
and everything else.
And now I'm of that age whereI don't like to be cold, so I buy.
I, I mean, that being said, Istill use my army issue waffle gear.
(38:06):
That's like the warmest stuffI've ever had.
Oh really?
Oh, I can imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, I wear those all the time.
But everything I have, I, Ilove it.
It's warm, it's comfortable,it works for me.
And just at that point nowwhere I want to be Comfortable in
the woods on these December nights.
(38:27):
You know.
I think it was when the liftcame out, I was saving up for a couple
years.
I was getting to say, like,all right, I'm going to make this
my last bow.
I want to shoot this and that.
And I was looking at the lift.
Long story short, tried it.
Fucking hated it.
Tried the Phase four and triedsome other bows.
(38:50):
And when I shot the Phasefour, instantaneously fell in love
with the motherfucker and waslike, yep, I'm buying this bow.
Because the bow I previouslyhad was the Verdicts.
Yeah.
And then.
Then I tried.
Then I ended up wiki in thePhase four.
And I've tried different bows.
And it's not like it's mesaying, like, oh, I've got Matthew.
(39:12):
So I'm Mr. Rich and Popular,and I'm the king of bad worlds.
This and that.
No.
You also drive an Audi.
No, apparently other people.
I drive a Priya.
Okay, that's right.
No, it's whatever you shoot.
I'm.
That's just what we do also,in brotherhoods and brothers, we're
gonna make fun of you for whatyou do in your hunting with what
(39:34):
you wear and like that.
I don't make fun of John forhe's wearing Sicko because he's probably
sucking on some golden dick toget all that stuff.
He's probably saying the samething with me and my Matthew.
That is.
You drive a Dodge.
I do drive it down.
Don't you go down that road to me.
All right.
(39:54):
We make fun of Dave becausehe's shooting a pse because he's
from the dinosaur age, justlike they are, too.
So no.
Great company.
That being said, have you seenthe new Satario from pse?
No, I haven't yet.
The one that the.
Because a lot of the BOcompanies just came out with their
new bows.
Yep, it came out.
And November.
I don't remember seeing their bow.
(40:15):
I might have to try one.
I'm gonna go down to thearchery shop here in town and try
one of theirs, if they have them.
But what is it about that youlike that makes you want to go try
it over your elite?
The.
All the specs are really aboutthe same.
And from.
I've shot PSE in the past andI never found him anything special.
(40:38):
But I don't know, it's just.
I'm gonna try this Atario.
I'm not gonna buy it.
I'm gonna try to shoot it, seehow it feels.
Yeah, but it's a reallyforgiving bow, is what they say.
And these elite are superforgiving for making bad shots, speed
shots, stuff like that.
But I'm.
I'm gonna try it.
I'm gonna keep an open mind.
(40:59):
I'm probably gonna stitch mybows that I have now, cuz I'm still
paying them off.
But.
But no, it's.
I'm gonna try it.
See what the hype's all about.
And if it sucks, I'm gonnakeep telling Dave that PSE stands
for pretty shitty equipment.
That's what we do.
That's what we do.
I have nothing against pse,but I hate Dave.
(41:19):
That's just a little.
So, yeah.
Side note, why do I look likea fat in.
In this?
Because I swear, like if Imove my, my hoodie down, I don't
look fat.
But if I put it like here andI squinch up here, I look fat.
Well, I think this kind ofmakes it look fat too.
I think just my regular face looks.
(41:40):
Me look fat?
Yeah.
I only.
Wait, I. I lost weight.
I'm down to £200, man.
No, I'm up to 205 now becauseI've been drinking beer and it's
in the winter time, so.
But I don't know.
Not bad.
205 and you're five six.
Yeah.
And I'm actually five ten anda half, thank you very much.
That half makes a difference.
(42:01):
It just.
Sorry.
Yeah.
And I started at 2:25 back inMarch, so.
Nice.
I was pretty proud of myself.
Congratulations.
I mean, you made it past Thanksgiving.
Christmas is right around the corner.
You know what we had forThanksgiving instead of turkey?
What?
Beef roast.
(42:22):
Nice.
No, no, no.
Beef tenderloin.
Okay.
Yeah, we spent a lot of moneyon that shit.
We bought two of them.
We bought two of them.
And so me and my dad are goingup to my dad's best friend's house
up in up north for a weekend.
Like a guy strip up in the upland.
(42:43):
Up.
Yep.
Oh, dude, like 20 days away.
I'm excited for it.
We leave midday on Christmas.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, because we want to make.
I'm not explaining myself.
We're just leaving midday.
You guys are probably like,oh, why you leaving midday on Christmas?
My family and the way we dothings is going to be different than
yours.
Go yourself.
Anyways, we're leaving middayon Christmas.
(43:06):
No, that stuff.
He tried doing somethingdifferent with it because we tried
it last year.
We.
Because we got tired of eatingturkey on Thanksgiving.
And then you know howeveryone's like, oh, some reason
on Thanksgiving dinner is at noon.
Or one o'.
Clock.
Right.
75 year old grandma.
Because we have to eat at two.
(43:26):
Exactly.
And then all of a sudden,somehow four o', clock, once everyone's
done eating, everyone'snapping on the couch or in the chair.
Yeah.
And we got tired of it.
So last year, it was a yearbefore we.
We tried beef tenderloin andwe loved it.
And we're like, yeah, thatturkey, we're gonna be eating this
for Thanksgiving.
(43:47):
And then they.
So they actually bought acouple more for this year because
we're gonna take some up northto eat.
And my dad tried something newwith it this year.
The outside was just a littlebit too salty.
I don't know what he did.
He didn't tell me.
He just said he tried doingsomething different with it this
year and the outside was justa little bit too salty.
But dude.
(44:07):
Oh my God, it just melts inyour mouth.
And I love putting my meat inA1 sauce or like some ketchup here
and there just to kind of giveit a little bit.
Whatever.
But dude, you could eat that bra.
I mean, I had to do it thenthat time to get the saltiness.
It so delicious.
(44:27):
You know, I was going up andagreeing with everything you said
until you said A1 sauce and ketchup.
Ketchup.
I put ketchup on everything.
Dude.
Nothing brings out the flavormore in the state more than ketchup.
That's.
Man, that was.
(44:47):
That was hard for me to even say.
That's so wrong.
Just spit water all over my microphone.
I'm a bit.
Oh, man.
My kids don't even put ketchupon steak.
They know better.
Nothing gives the flavor outof the state more than ketchup.
(45:08):
I know everyone's out thereprobably judging now.
Oh, man, I am.
They're like this guy.
We're taking hunting quote,unquote advice from.
This hunting advice from youat all.
I'm not going to take culinaryadvice from you now.
Here's your beef tenderloins.
$74 a pound.
(45:30):
Heinz ketchup as a baster.
I mean, I'm trying to drinksome water.
Heinz ketchup.
But that's just like I haveketchup for hot dogs, hamburgers,
you know, like that.
But no, I've never.
(45:51):
You not put it on any of yourvenison meat either?
No.
God, no.
Only on burgers.
Venison burgers.
I will, but.
And a venison meatloaf if I'mgoing to do that.
But I do I put.
Do I use ketchup?
Or anyone.
I can't remember what I do there.
Oh, no.
With the venison chops withbacon wrapped around it.
(46:13):
Yeah, we put the A1 on.
We dabbled just a little biton that and we let that cook in the
oven.
And then I just had dip it ina little bit in the ketchup.
So this morning I had familydown from up north and we were hunting
that farm this weekend.
Yeah.
So this morning I was like,you know what, I'm gonna make breakfast
for everyone.
And I had shot a couplemallards a couple weeks ago.
(46:35):
So I did bacon wrapped duckbreasts and just fried them up.
Ooh.
No seasoning.
Just in a cast iron skillet,fry them up, cook them that way.
Amazing.
I.
With wild game, I don't put awhole lot of seasonings on it.
I'll use flavors of theforest, the bidfoot breath.
Yeah, I use that especially inmy burger.
(46:58):
But that's really about it.
Ted Nugent, I think said it best.
Salt, pepper, fire.
I mean that's good pointpretty much.
With venison, all you need.
Now if someone wants to makeme a venison steak and like all the
seasonings and stuff, I'm sureit's gonna taste amazing.
I'll eat the out of it.
But right.
I mean around here we keep itsimple and it's.
(47:20):
If it's not broke, why fix it?
That's a good point.
Yeah, I, I just, I'm.
I'm playing.
And a white, basic white.
Now, do you eat the venisonheart as well?
No.
No.
Oh, man.
So I made some for my familythis weekend and with that I'll use
(47:41):
like Montreal state seasoning.
And you just slice it super thin.
You know, clean it up, sliceit thin.
And I'm just like a sugar pat,like super thin.
Montreal state seasoning and alittle bit of soy sauce.
And then you just throw it ina hot skillet real quick.
Just toss it in.
Flip it, flip it.
(48:02):
Done.
Oh, dude, that was a huge hit.
And that's such a tasty cut.
Oh, I, I've heard people wherethey like, where they get like their
first deer kill and they'relike, yeah, you gotta eat the heart
right there.
Oh, yeah, I've heard peopleactually do that.
I couldn't do that.
And I've heard stories about it.
(48:22):
So.
Have you ever done that?
I don't think I could.
I don't think I ever did thatwith my first one my dad tried doing
to me.
Yeah, I've never bit the heart.
I've.
You Know I. I've had a pieceof raw venison before but it was
never like in the field or anything.
It was at home.
Yeah.
Just mowing down on a bat strap.
(48:45):
Well dude, we've been going atit for a while and I ain't.
I know we got a lot.
We have got a lot of things wegot to talk about because we've been
off for a while.
We've been off.
It's hunting season.
We're out there getting after it.
I mean it slowed.
It slowed way down.
It did.
And it's weird.
We might actually have a whiteChristmas this year here in Michigan.
(49:06):
Yeah.
First time in many years itwas snowing on Thanksgiving.
Right.
Or the day after some.
We got a bunch of snow then.
Man.
It's weird.
We're not gonna see all mudand hopefully maybe.
Who knows.
Yeah.
Who knows.
You never know in Michigan.
I will say this.
First off Squatch is on theshow tonight so we're not going to
(49:26):
do our ending prayer.
We leave that for him to do acouple things.
Johnny's show, he's gonna beup on Tuesday.
Yep.
If he's not feeling sick.
I should be here.
You should be.
I should be here.
His show, Mysteries in theTimbers are going to be up here on
Tuesday the 9th.
So expect his show.
If you listen the audioversion you don't want to see our
(49:48):
beautiful faces.
I don't know why the youwouldn't want to because we're a
bunch of beautiful, amazingsexy men up here.
He'll be on the live show.
We do it on.
The audio version will bereleased the 10th of December.
Then we're actuallyconsidering starting next week's
show a little bit early.
I think we're gonna bethinking about doing it at 7:30 or
(50:08):
7 because it's our final Stumpa Trump night.
Wait, it's.
I put the questions together.
They're not easy questions.
They're.
I think it's up to 50 questions.
I think let's do it.
And they're.
They're not easy.
These are some pretty tough,tough questions.
(50:30):
So we are considering possiblystarting that one early.
I think we might start at 7:30next Sunday for Stump and Chump night.
Then after that December 16thwe got the Frank and Squat show.
And that's going to be ourlast show, our live show until Johnny
show on Sunday, January 4th atMysteries in the Timbers.
(50:53):
And we'll be kicking backthings off with our live shows back
then.
So we're going to be going offfor the Christmas vacation and new
Year's vacation, a couple of things.
We might be also starting anew podcast, at least for myself.
We'll explain more later onthat as that comes about.
(51:14):
A couple other mental notesthat we'd.
I'd like to point out toeverybody as of right now how it
looks the fourth Sunday andTuesday of each month.
Starting in January, we won'tbe doing a live show.
We're going to be taking thatweek to spend more time with us as
the team, with our familiesand getting together and kind of
(51:35):
doing more family things.
We've been.
Yeah, I can go on and on.
I'm just going to say justlook at that new schedule if you
want the Whitetail Advantagecalendar on your phone.
That way you can see whenwe're going to be doing live shows.
Who's going to be on shit likethat, let us know.
We'll put you on the emaillist and our calendar would be popping
(51:56):
up on your phone.
That being said, Johnny, doyou have any final words before I
say my last thing?
It's the end of the season.
We are all beat.
This is it can make or breakour season right here.
So just had to keep puttingleft foot over right.
Keep going at it, because inApril, we're going to be wishing
(52:17):
that it was deer season.
Yeah.
And yeah.
So just keep hammering afterit, man.
I want to just say thank youto all of our fans, our fans and
everyone part of the brotherhood.
We greatly appreciate each andevery one of you guys out there.
We just thank you foreveryone, for the support.
Like Johnny said, this is thegrind time.
So that's why we don't do awhole lot of shows throughout this
(52:40):
time.
We're out there trying to getafter it, man.
We love this hunting thing.
So we don't just talk prettywell about it.
We kind of live it, too.
Yeah, I do want to say.
Yeah, we don't hold anything back.
Put your cord in the slotmachine as well.
And I. I just can't say thankyou enough to everyone out there.
We appreciate each and everyone of you guys out there.
(53:00):
That being said, you guys knowthe out.
The outro.
We said at the end of thething, you guys know what we do here.
Put your quarter in the slot machine.
There you go.
We'll see you next time.
All right, later.
And my fucking chatter.
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the Whitetail
(53:24):
Advantage podcast.
We hope you enjoyed the showand we will see you next time.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.